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00:00:32   welcome back everybody to the [TS]

00:00:34   uncomfortable i'm your host Jason L in [TS]

00:00:36   this episode we're going to be talking [TS]

00:00:37   about [TS]

00:00:38   not one particular work but the [TS]

00:00:40   phenomenon of being assigned reading for [TS]

00:00:43   class things we liked things we really [TS]

00:00:46   didn't like books the traumatized us [TS]

00:00:49   perhaps the fact that the the entire [TS]

00:00:51   story of of having reading assigned to [TS]

00:00:54   you and reading it because you must [TS]

00:00:55   instead of because you want to join me [TS]

00:00:59   on this adventure I hope they did the [TS]

00:01:01   reading mr. maybe two or three final [TS]

00:01:05   point David Lawrence here hello hello [TS]

00:01:08   Erica enzyme is also out there [TS]

00:01:12   hello yeah but I did the reading yeah [TS]

00:01:14   I'm good good I'm glad and from a [TS]

00:01:16   far-off land actually closer than usual [TS]

00:01:18   it's andy and Aiko hi Andy [TS]

00:01:20   Erica did you have your pass me your [TS]

00:01:23   mother what I'd read it may come on give [TS]

00:01:26   me my lunch money today we're going to [TS]

00:01:27   talk so assigned reading of the premise [TS]

00:01:30   here is obviously you get you get [TS]

00:01:32   assigned reading in class and there's [TS]

00:01:34   the books that you love but you know [TS]

00:01:35   there are also the books that you hate [TS]

00:01:36   that drove you up the wall and into not [TS]

00:01:39   that we want to go entirely negative [TS]

00:01:41   here but I'll you know it's fun to talk [TS]

00:01:43   about to talk about that stuff and [TS]

00:01:44   classics and and they make you read that [TS]

00:01:46   you that you didn't like or that you did [TS]

00:01:49   like so we're going to start off David [TS]

00:01:51   Lord do you have something you want to [TS]

00:01:53   talk about a book that either displays [TS]

00:01:55   your please use this is not a draft so [TS]

00:01:57   much as a a parade [TS]

00:01:59   why don't even know i just made that I [TS]

00:02:01   like that already look see [TS]

00:02:03   did you start off the parade of the [TS]

00:02:05   Grand Marshal today I i was gonna say do [TS]

00:02:08   do we do we serve you like the saturday [TS]

00:02:10   night live episode and just invoke [TS]

00:02:12   everyone gets catcher in the rye know [TS]

00:02:14   that not everybody gets catcher in the [TS]

00:02:17   rye how depends which category upid that [TS]

00:02:20   well that should lead to some [TS]

00:02:21   interesting discussion but you go ahead [TS]

00:02:23   David well I'm since since i'm leading [TS]

00:02:27   off and and if this were draft [TS]

00:02:29   I wonder how many people I would trip up [TS]

00:02:32   by picking a separate peace by john [TS]

00:02:34   knowles which is I guess I guess a good [TS]

00:02:39   alternate title for it would be whiney [TS]

00:02:41   white privilege is what you [TS]

00:02:45   oh god I still have flashbacks I've [TS]

00:02:48   never read this tell me what this book [TS]

00:02:49   and they're basically it's it's two boys [TS]

00:02:54   at a prep school who develop an intense [TS]

00:02:57   friendship and and tragedy strikes you [TS]

00:03:01   know it's just it's already get the [TS]

00:03:03   consumption and no one unfortunately [TS]

00:03:06   unfortunat last but you know me and I [TS]

00:03:09   just I wanted everyone in this book to [TS]

00:03:12   die and i like that chapter 20 just go [TS]

00:03:15   away leave me alone [TS]

00:03:17   I mean I was not a fan of Catcher in the [TS]

00:03:19   Rye but at least I could get through it [TS]

00:03:21   but but this was the same year this was [TS]

00:03:24   11th grade 11th grade honors english was [TS]

00:03:26   brilliant because it was a separate [TS]

00:03:28   peace catcher in the rye Macbeth [TS]

00:03:32   I mean it was just sort of this parade [TS]

00:03:34   of tragedy and depression and oh that [TS]

00:03:38   but a separate piece was the worst of [TS]

00:03:39   the lot [TS]

00:03:40   it's it's like dead poets society except [TS]

00:03:42   not as fun [TS]

00:03:44   yelitza and I hate dead poets society [TS]

00:03:46   ever heard of the device but I've never [TS]

00:03:48   I've never read it so I i guess my guess [TS]

00:03:51   we escaped from the Swede sweet i don't [TS]

00:03:56   have to wait for the team taking don't [TS]

00:03:59   don't do it don't do it separate peace [TS]

00:04:01   they made a movie of that too apparently [TS]

00:04:02   yes will be something yeah I have also [TS]

00:04:05   heard of it but but never never read it [TS]

00:04:07   that was not one of the ones we had to [TS]

00:04:08   read this is I think but the most [TS]

00:04:10   telling thing about if you do a Google [TS]

00:04:11   search for a separate piece you know [TS]

00:04:13   what comes up first [TS]

00:04:14   oh not the wikipedia page not the amazon [TS]

00:04:18   page what comes up first is the [TS]

00:04:20   sparknotes wow so you are any [TS]

00:04:26   CliffsNotes is the fifth so I yeah [TS]

00:04:29   because you don't want to have to [TS]

00:04:31   actually read this is if you can help it [TS]

00:04:34   I think we should rank all of the the [TS]

00:04:36   books that we talked about tonight based [TS]

00:04:37   on what you know how many go down to [TS]

00:04:40   just three i will i'm gonna be manning [TS]

00:04:42   the browser interrupt your eggs let Andy [TS]

00:04:47   and I could want you want you throw in a [TS]

00:04:49   uh some assigned reading that you didn't [TS]

00:04:51   like about that all that this was an [TS]

00:04:54   easy one [TS]

00:04:55   Ethan from I absolutely freaking aided [TS]

00:04:59   this book and maybe admittedly it was [TS]

00:05:02   partly because of the way that this book [TS]

00:05:04   was being taught every single thing that [TS]

00:05:07   could possibly have been symbolism this [TS]

00:05:09   teacher wanted to understand that [TS]

00:05:11   let's talk about the pickle dish today [TS]

00:05:14   now it's not justice is that it's not [TS]

00:05:17   just a pickle dish you have to [TS]

00:05:19   understand that what the author med is [TS]

00:05:21   for us to transform friends modify our [TS]

00:05:24   feelings about this relationship to the [TS]

00:05:27   pickle dish and I'm like I'm not I [TS]

00:05:30   wasn't having it [TS]

00:05:31   I i remember it was a landmark book for [TS]

00:05:33   me and get class because it was the one [TS]

00:05:35   where it's like I we did the sweetest [TS]

00:05:38   Shakespeare couple years ago and i was [TS]

00:05:40   with you all through that we did a whole [TS]

00:05:41   bunch of series and other books i was [TS]

00:05:43   with you i was willing to die I could [TS]

00:05:44   sense what you wanted me to say on this [TS]

00:05:46   test on this essay or in this class work [TS]

00:05:49   and I gave it to you [TS]

00:05:50   I draw the line at ethan frome because i [TS]

00:05:52   read it and was just this drippy over [TS]

00:05:55   rod overwritten doesn't ever get to the [TS]

00:05:59   point story where instead of like Shh [TS]

00:06:02   distance instead of putting something in [TS]

00:06:04   the book that's materially interesting [TS]

00:06:06   or put advances the plot this author [TS]

00:06:08   wanted to put four pages on let's talk [TS]

00:06:11   about the color now of the candy dish [TS]

00:06:14   let's have a scene which their heads [TS]

00:06:15   touch but almost touch and I'm but i [TS]

00:06:19   believe that this was also the first one [TS]

00:06:22   where I handed in the essay which I said [TS]

00:06:24   this is I didn't say the word crap but I [TS]

00:06:27   basically said this is just a badly [TS]

00:06:29   written book that should be forgotten I [TS]

00:06:32   don't know who Edith Wharton is I don't [TS]

00:06:33   know she had a career before that or [TS]

00:06:35   after that but I want no part of her guy [TS]

00:06:38   said good day sir [TS]

00:06:40   well to be fair uh full credit award me [TS]

00:06:44   the eighth and from wikipedia page [TS]

00:06:46   number one on google sparknotes number [TS]

00:06:48   two [TS]

00:06:49   Nick so not quite as bad but again a [TS]

00:06:54   sign of assigned reading you Andy [TS]

00:06:57   it's funny I haven't read ethan frome [TS]

00:06:59   but I've read some early American [TS]

00:07:01   literature it's [TS]

00:07:03   not with me this 1911 yeah this is a [TS]

00:07:06   little more reason but it's uh I took an [TS]

00:07:08   American classic English class I was a [TS]

00:07:11   little minor in college and read a lot [TS]

00:07:15   of early and and and modern English Lit [TS]

00:07:18   at but american lit which obviously [TS]

00:07:20   doesn't go as far back when I was a [TS]

00:07:22   rough class realize it took a long time [TS]

00:07:25   for American literature to kind of [TS]

00:07:27   figure out what I wanted to be and uh [TS]

00:07:29   you know even from home for instance [TS]

00:07:32   good yeah yeah [TS]

00:07:34   no seriously I i never read ethan frome [TS]

00:07:37   but I did see the movie of the age of [TS]

00:07:39   innocence and I hated that so I also [TS]

00:07:42   give a thumbs down saying you in [TS]

00:07:44   solidarity alright [TS]

00:07:46   solid i'll I i enjoy where this is going [TS]

00:07:48   this is like you just like our hands on [TS]

00:07:50   our English teacher is happening at this [TS]

00:07:52   is great Erica what you haven't heard [TS]

00:07:54   back yet this is beautiful this is [TS]

00:07:55   working out i'm going to get back a [TS]

00:07:58   little farther and we speaking in my own [TS]

00:08:00   life i'm going back to fifth grade [TS]

00:08:01   wow that was yeah that was when they [TS]

00:08:03   started assigning actual full books now [TS]

00:08:06   they weren't super long novels like I [TS]

00:08:07   assume ethan frome was but we had to [TS]

00:08:09   wear a little book called or we had to [TS]

00:08:11   read a little book called where the red [TS]

00:08:13   fern grows they don't know if you guys [TS]

00:08:15   were subjected to this but yeah it's [TS]

00:08:18   it's a story that takes place was [TS]

00:08:21   written in the sixties takes place in [TS]

00:08:22   the Ozarks pot a little boy whose [TS]

00:08:24   training his his two dogs two to go coon [TS]

00:08:27   huntin yeah it's just there's this one [TS]

00:08:30   scene in the book that I will always [TS]

00:08:32   remember where his dad's he needs to [TS]

00:08:35   catch a raccoon so that he can use the [TS]

00:08:36   pail to train the dogs to go hunting and [TS]

00:08:38   the way that they do that is they make a [TS]

00:08:39   hole in a log and they put something [TS]

00:08:41   shiny at the bottom of it and then found [TS]

00:08:43   a bunch of of nails in so that they're [TS]

00:08:45   basically spike sticking out in this [TS]

00:08:47   whole so the raccoon comes up poor [TS]

00:08:49   little guy reaches down into the hole to [TS]

00:08:51   get the shiny thing grabs onto it and [TS]

00:08:54   then when he makes a fist he can't pull [TS]

00:08:55   his poor little pop back out because of [TS]

00:08:57   all these nails and apparently raccoons [TS]

00:08:59   don't like to let go once they grab [TS]

00:09:00   something shiny [TS]

00:09:01   I guess I can understand that around so [TS]

00:09:03   you can they clubbed to death and it [TS]

00:09:05   gets to use and is yeah and then of [TS]

00:09:08   course the dogs die at the end of the [TS]

00:09:10   book and it was just I hated it from [TS]

00:09:12   beginning to end [TS]

00:09:14   there's nothing good about that book [TS]

00:09:16   I haven't read this either i'm feeling [TS]

00:09:17   very good very good about my my uh my [TS]

00:09:20   literary background and not having read [TS]

00:09:21   these with whether it's from Blue Rose [TS]

00:09:24   interestingly enough the sparknotes [TS]

00:09:25   fifth in the google search for winter [TS]

00:09:28   without maybe because it's not being [TS]

00:09:30   used as much anymore because people have [TS]

00:09:32   come to recognize that it's maybe not [TS]

00:09:34   the nicest thing for 5th graders to be [TS]

00:09:37   reading just guess [TS]

00:09:39   yeah okay that's good that's good i I'm [TS]

00:09:42   gonna go so i'm going to go to college [TS]

00:09:44   for this one because this is my number 1 [TS]

00:09:46   i've got another one reserved for later [TS]

00:09:48   but my number-one disliked book that was [TS]

00:09:52   assigned to me in my last quarter of my [TS]

00:09:57   five quarter long humanities course that [TS]

00:10:01   everybody in my college had to take and [TS]

00:10:03   I did really well in those classes i [TS]

00:10:06   love them and then we got to the last [TS]

00:10:07   quarter and I didn't like the professor [TS]

00:10:10   and I didn't like the assigned reading [TS]

00:10:12   most specifically gustave flaubert his [TS]

00:10:15   debut novel you know what you love it [TS]

00:10:16   you can't live without her [TS]

00:10:18   Madame Bovary that went to buy your [TS]

00:10:24   groans from people who read Madame [TS]

00:10:26   Bovary we read it in French class [TS]

00:10:29   I'm so I'm so sorry oh I'm so because [TS]

00:10:33   it's bad it's bad many language folks it [TS]

00:10:38   is [TS]

00:10:39   yeah so Madame Bovary has affairs you [TS]

00:10:43   can because of anhui all the ennui on we [TS]

00:10:47   the the set and it is endless and again [TS]

00:10:52   I don't know and it's a short book it is [TS]

00:10:56   like after dark i guess it's just gonna [TS]

00:11:01   be us say it was another book there's [TS]

00:11:04   another one let's do it again [TS]

00:11:08   you can start this man for making me [TS]

00:11:09   read that yeah 3 hours 3 hours and then [TS]

00:11:12   Madame Bovary yeah and again I had the [TS]

00:11:15   cultural context the the end of the [TS]

00:11:18   period in France when it's written and [TS]

00:11:20   perhaps one must only truly be French [TS]

00:11:23   and reading in French to understand but [TS]

00:11:24   to me it just was this it's it was just [TS]

00:11:29   it was just show so bad and everybody is [TS]

00:11:31   awful and then we be but the the events [TS]

00:11:36   that occur throughout our kind of staged [TS]

00:11:40   and then and then she ends up having [TS]

00:11:43   affairs this is what i'm saying is like [TS]

00:11:45   it's like oh yes we I'm shocked that [TS]

00:11:47   this is happening again i hate i hate [TS]

00:11:49   Madame Bovary like the character and the [TS]

00:11:52   book so that I could never I could never [TS]

00:11:54   be 4i can picture that English professor [TS]

00:11:57   talking about Madame Bovary tells us [TS]

00:12:00   that there are the man she had one hell [TS]

00:12:04   of a pickle dish [TS]

00:12:05   well she was a very popular lady Madame [TS]

00:12:08   Bovary and yeah I think flower bear just [TS]

00:12:13   not it's not my kinda my kind of writer [TS]

00:12:15   but I I yeah just a random French lady [TS]

00:12:20   going around having affairs in the chat [TS]

00:12:23   room we have a French person to confirm [TS]

00:12:26   for us that it's horrible [TS]

00:12:28   haha that's wonderful [TS]

00:12:31   okay that's one round down this is the [TS]

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00:12:36   letting it as my gosh merapi we're all [TS]

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00:12:42   this is an episode about things that I [TS]

00:12:43   like and hate i want to tell you about [TS]

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00:14:49   taking david i can i can do both in one [TS]

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00:14:53   oh my I can't because at the time now [TS]

00:14:57   now my mother as part of part of her you [TS]

00:15:00   know many hats in her life she taught [TS]

00:15:02   English in high school middle school for [TS]

00:15:05   like two years and and she once said [TS]

00:15:10   that seventh and eighth graders are [TS]

00:15:11   horrible and now that I'm the parent of [TS]

00:15:14   a seventh-grader she was right and [TS]

00:15:18   either but she was very patient she [TS]

00:15:20   taught english so so i would bring home [TS]

00:15:23   these books and I would slag on [TS]

00:15:25   them and and she be like yeah that one [TS]

00:15:27   sucks don't know [TS]

00:15:28   here I'll help you get through that one [TS]

00:15:30   because you shouldn't have to read that [TS]

00:15:31   and and various things like that and now [TS]

00:15:35   going back to French class before we [TS]

00:15:38   read Madame Bovary we read the little [TS]

00:15:41   prince by Antoine de saint-exupĂ©ry and [TS]

00:15:45   now we're ready to infringe and I don't [TS]

00:15:48   know I just maybe I wasn't ready for it [TS]

00:15:51   at that point I hate it and I didn't [TS]

00:15:55   want to read it I didn't want to get [TS]

00:15:56   through it and I came home and she said [TS]

00:15:59   what are you doing in class and we're [TS]

00:16:00   doing a little prince i cannot stand it [TS]

00:16:02   and she just looked at me and she said [TS]

00:16:05   no you are reading the little prince [TS]

00:16:07   so but but I don't and but and and you [TS]

00:16:13   know I slogged through it and survived [TS]

00:16:15   flashforward all these years later my [TS]

00:16:19   oldest son is I don't know three or four [TS]

00:16:21   he picks it up and he goes what is this [TS]

00:16:24   and he wanted me to read it to him and [TS]

00:16:27   as I'm reading it to him and I'm kind of [TS]

00:16:28   gritting my teeth at the beginning is [TS]

00:16:30   like a little prince are fine [TS]

00:16:35   draw me a sheep draw me a sheep draw me [TS]

00:16:37   a hat you know all the different things [TS]

00:16:39   in the book and as i as i was reading it [TS]

00:16:42   I'm I'm falling in love with it and so [TS]

00:16:44   so it's one of the few books and in my [TS]

00:16:47   school career where I wind up falling in [TS]

00:16:49   love with it [TS]

00:16:50   decades later and now i love it i right [TS]

00:16:53   tell people to read it maybe I need to [TS]

00:16:55   have kids or something because I really [TS]

00:16:57   didn't like that but i don't know i [TS]

00:17:00   don't know everybody's gonna do it it it [TS]

00:17:02   it helps having having been through a [TS]

00:17:05   little bit of life i don't think it's [TS]

00:17:07   really a book that that is aimed at [TS]

00:17:10   eight kids I think it's a book where you [TS]

00:17:12   need to have lived a little bit and you [TS]

00:17:14   need to have a little weathering on you [TS]

00:17:16   and and even even get to have letter [TS]

00:17:19   creative life because it is about [TS]

00:17:20   writing and drawing and and building and [TS]

00:17:23   it hit me in a completely different way [TS]

00:17:27   after 20 years so yeah i can i can see [TS]

00:17:31   that cuz i get my memories of it are are [TS]

00:17:34   somewhat faint but but I completely [TS]

00:17:36   agree that it's the kind of thing that i [TS]

00:17:37   think i would get more [TS]

00:17:38   of now if I were to to read it as [TS]

00:17:41   opposed to them [TS]

00:17:42   yeah-hoo-hoo decides these books and [TS]

00:17:45   decides that these are good for children [TS]

00:17:46   as opposed to adults if you like the [TS]

00:17:49   decision-making processes maybe a little [TS]

00:17:51   iffy but Jason did you tell us where [TS]

00:17:53   Madame Bovary and then this little [TS]

00:17:55   yesterday music search all i didn't i [TS]

00:17:58   didn't sorry i've been asleep i might [TS]

00:18:00   hinder hooks ok mathis mount Bovary [TS]

00:18:02   you'll be happy to know i finished [TS]

00:18:05   second I its wikipedia first sparknotes [TS]

00:18:08   second so it's right it's right there [TS]

00:18:11   and I I'm knot no spark notes is done a [TS]

00:18:15   really good job by the way I should save [TS]

00:18:17   search engine optimization they think [TS]

00:18:19   they they pop up above cliff notes and [TS]

00:18:22   above a snoop which is apparently any [TS]

00:18:24   another summary sites moop this episode [TS]

00:18:28   is not brought to you by shmoop but [TS]

00:18:29   there are days for by sparknotes but it [TS]

00:18:32   is available so the little prince and I [TS]

00:18:35   haven't searched that one so let's do [TS]

00:18:36   that right now the little prince will be [TS]

00:18:38   official little prince web site comes up [TS]

00:18:40   first [TS]

00:18:41   of course then wikipedia than amazon and [TS]

00:18:44   then sparknotes so it's not before it [TS]

00:18:46   gets a four score a little bit lower i [TS]

00:18:48   think they're doing a new movie version [TS]

00:18:50   of it or something to probably the movie [TS]

00:18:54   musical version of it is lovely i [TS]

00:18:56   remember watching some some weird [TS]

00:18:58   version of it when I was a child and I [TS]

00:18:59   hated that almost as much as the book i [TS]

00:19:03   wonder if the active assigning something [TS]

00:19:05   ruins thanks for it does it does just [TS]

00:19:09   you you read it was a sign you were [TS]

00:19:10   cited you hate it when you came back to [TS]

00:19:12   it later and then then you liked it i'm [TS]

00:19:14   watching it with my own son who loved [TS]

00:19:17   reading until he started getting [TS]

00:19:18   assigned actual books and now it's [TS]

00:19:20   pulling teeth because they forced him to [TS]

00:19:23   read stuff [TS]

00:19:24   yeah I said we're doing a Pakistani said [TS]

00:19:26   when he went to what's the topic when I [TS]

00:19:28   said well it'sit's books of your [TS]

00:19:30   assigned books that we hated from school [TS]

00:19:32   and those Gary Paulson's hatchet [TS]

00:19:34   I hate hatch they'll do that to my list [TS]

00:19:37   so you just bumped for me is yeah I will [TS]

00:19:42   I will [TS]

00:19:44   ok I'm not supervised on sparknotes [TS]

00:19:46   catches awful awful books that they have [TS]

00:19:50   to read and you [TS]

00:19:52   I mean I i did that in seventh grade [TS]

00:19:54   myself with I can't even remember the [TS]

00:19:56   name of the book but it's it said during [TS]

00:19:57   the French and Indian War and Fort [TS]

00:19:59   Ticonderoga and I could not stand it and [TS]

00:20:02   then we read caddie Woodlawn which is [TS]

00:20:04   you know kind of a poor man's Little [TS]

00:20:07   House on the Prairie which oh wow I mean [TS]

00:20:10   I hated Little House on the Prairie but [TS]

00:20:11   at least give me the real one [TS]

00:20:14   you know Andy what do you have what do [TS]

00:20:18   you have next major hate flow through [TS]

00:20:21   you [TS]

00:20:21   I I think he touched on something [TS]

00:20:27   earlier that sometimes it's a perfectly [TS]

00:20:30   good book but it's the way that's being [TS]

00:20:32   talked to you that ever that that there [TS]

00:20:35   are the context is basically imagine [TS]

00:20:37   that there's something that's really [TS]

00:20:39   delicious plate of vegetables but for [TS]

00:20:42   being presented you as you're 30 years [TS]

00:20:44   old [TS]

00:20:44   here is a plate of really healthy [TS]

00:20:47   vegetables they're really good for you [TS]

00:20:49   and that just makes you want to say well [TS]

00:20:51   i'm not gonna try this biscuit you're [TS]

00:20:53   lying to me this is terrible and for me [TS]

00:20:56   one of those books was Kafka's [TS]

00:20:57   metamorphosis then haha i've read I've [TS]

00:21:00   read much later after realizing that [TS]

00:21:03   will look this doesn't sound like a bad [TS]

00:21:04   book I should maybe i'm just maybe I was [TS]

00:21:06   just like sort of you know gritty like [TS]

00:21:08   teen is rebelling and I think the reason [TS]

00:21:11   why I didn't lie i remembers singularly [TS]

00:21:13   not enjoying the process of having to [TS]

00:21:15   read this book and discussed in class [TS]

00:21:17   and looking back on it I think the [TS]

00:21:19   reason why was because this is a real [TS]

00:21:22   corker of a horror story just to the [TS]

00:21:24   brilliantly written taught you really [TS]

00:21:28   get to see it doesn't get it doesn't [TS]

00:21:30   focus on the physicality of what's [TS]

00:21:32   happening with it but instead about the [TS]

00:21:34   emotions of what's happening in the [TS]

00:21:36   metamorphoses not only of physical body [TS]

00:21:39   but of attitude when were you [TS]

00:21:42   someone's body changes that way and [TS]

00:21:44   what's the relationship was the actual [TS]

00:21:46   relationship between this the center [TS]

00:21:48   person in the story and all the family [TS]

00:21:50   around them and this is a great i get a [TS]

00:21:53   cracking horror story and I think the [TS]

00:21:55   reason why I rebelled was because we [TS]

00:21:57   weren't allowed to simply read it and be [TS]

00:21:59   scared and enjoy it [TS]

00:22:01   and just because the creek that I think [TS]

00:22:04   the worse than the more worse of a creep [TS]

00:22:06   out then being transformed into a giant [TS]

00:22:08   cockroach is realized that oh well now [TS]

00:22:11   everybody's going to abandon you and now [TS]

00:22:12   treat you as something less than human [TS]

00:22:14   that doesn't matter how much what [TS]

00:22:16   relationship you have them beforehand [TS]

00:22:17   how much you did for them either they [TS]

00:22:19   will absolutely turn on US citizens [TS]

00:22:21   inconvenient soon as your inconvenient [TS]

00:22:23   to them and instead we really we have [TS]

00:22:25   learned about Kafka's world and what [TS]

00:22:28   sort of statement he was trying to make [TS]

00:22:30   about the society that he lived in and [TS]

00:22:33   what let's all find up the well with the [TS]

00:22:36   Gregor Samsa job was this so what what [TS]

00:22:40   kind of job with that have been [TS]

00:22:41   ingrained in Kafka's time and I can't be [TS]

00:22:44   just like be scraped out by really good [TS]

00:22:47   creepy story and save it was not the [TS]

00:22:50   state i have to realize realize in [TS]

00:22:52   retrospect it wasn't the story I didn't [TS]

00:22:54   like it was the experience of being [TS]

00:22:55   taught that story because i've read it [TS]

00:22:58   since and I've enjoyed it a lot and i'm [TS]

00:22:59   wishing that I was a little I'm i don't [TS]

00:23:02   remember exactly how snotty i was about [TS]

00:23:04   this book but I have memories in high [TS]

00:23:07   school of basically a kind of like with [TS]

00:23:09   ethan frome that's the second book in [TS]

00:23:11   high school where I was just not having [TS]

00:23:13   it [TS]

00:23:14   I do that I think you know when you're [TS]

00:23:17   reading a book that's assigned I you're [TS]

00:23:20   you're okay so i would work we're on the [TS]

00:23:24   uncomfortable podcast here a lot of what [TS]

00:23:26   we consume as media is assigned in the [TS]

00:23:29   set your sights and God cast right and [TS]

00:23:32   it is different when you're just sitting [TS]

00:23:34   back and enjoying something versus very [TS]

00:23:36   saying like what am I going to get out [TS]

00:23:38   of this even if it's something that you [TS]

00:23:39   love and you've seen a million times [TS]

00:23:40   like I'm going to take notes i'm going [TS]

00:23:41   to pay attention to this and when you're [TS]

00:23:43   reading a book let anybody talk about [TS]

00:23:44   the metamorphosis sanity if you're if [TS]

00:23:47   you're saying alright I gotta glean from [TS]

00:23:48   this I gotta get some stuff out of this [TS]

00:23:50   i got my highlighter pen write verses [TS]

00:23:53   like I'm just going to read the story [TS]

00:23:55   and enjoy it and and maybe enjoy it more [TS]

00:23:58   but be able to say less about it and [TS]

00:24:00   then that that can change how you [TS]

00:24:01   interact with a work not knowing knowing [TS]

00:24:03   that in a day or two you're going to be [TS]

00:24:05   forced to defend your reading of this [TS]

00:24:07   book you're not gonna be able to simply [TS]

00:24:09   say I liked it or I didn't like it [TS]

00:24:11   you're gonna have to say in [TS]

00:24:13   five paragraphs in order in great amount [TS]

00:24:17   of structure i feel as though the path [TS]

00:24:20   that this character took was very very [TS]

00:24:23   meandering and here are the three [TS]

00:24:25   reasons why I felt that was that way [TS]

00:24:27   when when we read for pleasure or watch [TS]

00:24:30   TV or movies for pleasure it is [TS]

00:24:31   sufficient for us to say I just really [TS]

00:24:33   didn't like it or boy did I love this [TS]

00:24:35   and when you're talking to friends maybe [TS]

00:24:37   you can have a really entertaining [TS]

00:24:39   conversation about what each of you [TS]

00:24:41   liked or didn't like but at no point is [TS]

00:24:43   there somebody in like you know a white [TS]

00:24:46   and black striped shirt like blowing a [TS]

00:24:48   whistle and giving you points on how [TS]

00:24:49   well you've been discussing this book [TS]

00:24:51   yeah we did that show up on the googles [TS]

00:24:53   oh god the metamorphosis google result [TS]

00:24:57   the metamorphosis number two is the [TS]

00:24:59   sparknotes shmoop at three [TS]

00:25:02   good job creation and project gutenberg [TS]

00:25:04   because that is a a public domain demand [TS]

00:25:07   is fourth so that's good [TS]

00:25:09   I mean density that's something i was [TS]

00:25:10   able to read at the time just for kicks [TS]

00:25:14   yeah i also just remember that at the [TS]

00:25:16   time i was reading a lot of Ray Bradbury [TS]

00:25:19   and one of Madison and so maybe that was [TS]

00:25:22   also affecting look I'm i could see this [TS]

00:25:24   as being in that same category as both [TS]

00:25:26   of those riders so I'm like why are we [TS]

00:25:29   just not enjoying this this is supposed [TS]

00:25:31   to be enjoyable so I had metamorphosis [TS]

00:25:33   assigned to me i want to say my [TS]

00:25:35   sophomore year of college might have [TS]

00:25:37   been a freshman year but I are i [TS]

00:25:39   remember reading that in college and I [TS]

00:25:40   liked it and I remember I remember and [TS]

00:25:43   it has that opposite effect which will [TS]

00:25:44   get two and we talk about some things we [TS]

00:25:46   like of of oh I actually like the [TS]

00:25:49   assigned reading think that is very nice [TS]

00:25:51   of course i would be remiss if I didn't [TS]

00:25:53   mention that this is also one of the [TS]

00:25:54   funniest jokes i find in mel brooks's [TS]

00:25:57   movie The Producers yes the original [TS]

00:25:59   where one of the script was reading [TS]

00:26:01   Gregor Samsa awoke to find have been [TS]

00:26:04   transformed and thought giant cockroach [TS]

00:26:08   nah no good so I've admitted in this [TS]

00:26:13   episode that I don't like Madame Bovary [TS]

00:26:15   let me tell you about something else I [TS]

00:26:17   don't like spam [TS]

00:26:19   I hate it I hate email spam but you know [TS]

00:26:21   what it's not a problem anymore just as [TS]

00:26:23   I left Madame Bovary behind me and it's [TS]

00:26:26   just a [TS]

00:26:27   an unpleasant mess memory from the past [TS]

00:26:28   spam also an unpleasant memory from the [TS]

00:26:31   past that I don't need to relive and [TS]

00:26:33   that's because of our sponsor mail route [TS]

00:26:36   mail route is a service that sits [TS]

00:26:38   between my mail server and the big bad [TS]

00:26:40   internet and it intercepts spam and [TS]

00:26:43   viruses and bounced email before they [TS]

00:26:45   get to me there's nothing for me to set [TS]

00:26:47   up the hardware and software all i have [TS]

00:26:49   to do is point my domains MX record [TS]

00:26:51   which is the code that says where's all [TS]

00:26:54   the email to this domain go and it [TS]

00:26:56   pointed mail route mail route takes one [TS]

00:26:58   for the team mail route takes in all the [TS]

00:26:59   bad male that's coming over the internet [TS]

00:27:01   it uses its really intelligent software [TS]

00:27:03   to filter it identify what's good and [TS]

00:27:05   what's bad [TS]

00:27:06   the bad stuff gets put in a holding bin [TS]

00:27:07   so if something good does go in there i [TS]

00:27:10   can find out about it and white listed [TS]

00:27:12   and have it sent to me with 1-click [TS]

00:27:14   everything else just passes through as a [TS]

00:27:16   result my inbox is much cleaner i [TS]

00:27:19   haven't had to worry about it i don't [TS]

00:27:20   have to run software updates on my spam [TS]

00:27:22   filters or anything at all just happens [TS]

00:27:23   that matter out it's easy to set up its [TS]

00:27:25   reliable big corporations and [TS]

00:27:27   universities trusted if you're an email [TS]

00:27:30   administrator IT professional they've [TS]

00:27:31   got all the tools that you need [TS]

00:27:33   there's an API for easy account [TS]

00:27:35   management all the buzzwords ldap Active [TS]

00:27:37   Directory TLS male bagging outbound [TS]

00:27:39   relay everything you want from people [TS]

00:27:41   handling your mail is included and i [TS]

00:27:43   love this you can start a risk-free [TS]

00:27:44   trial with no credit card to sign up [TS]

00:27:46   point your MX records and mail route [TS]

00:27:48   your mailbox and hardware are completely [TS]

00:27:50   protected simple effective no reason not [TS]

00:27:52   to try it and always starts the [TS]

00:27:54   incomparable received ten percent off of [TS]

00:27:56   a lifetime of your account just go to [TS]

00:27:58   mail route dot net / incomparable now [TS]

00:28:01   and thank you so much to mail route for [TS]

00:28:03   their support of the incomparable Erica [TS]

00:28:06   do you have a weaving sort of like a [TS]

00:28:08   hate-hate it's a transformed in this [TS]

00:28:11   round but you don't have to follow that [TS]

00:28:13   i don't i don't know that i have [TS]

00:28:14   anything that i hated this got [TS]

00:28:16   transformed I'm afraid that are not if I [TS]

00:28:18   hated it I didn't bother to spend time [TS]

00:28:21   going back [TS]

00:28:21   it's just i will i'll yeah works but i [TS]

00:28:24   will point out one other reason that the [TS]

00:28:26   assigned reading can be kind of a killer [TS]

00:28:29   just right off the bat and that's for [TS]

00:28:31   for kids like me who I was just I was a [TS]

00:28:34   huge reader from the time that you know [TS]

00:28:36   before kindergarten when I was figuring [TS]

00:28:37   out how to do it so when I got to the [TS]

00:28:39   point where [TS]

00:28:40   suddenly we were being assigned books [TS]

00:28:42   that was taking away reading time from [TS]

00:28:44   the stuff i wanted to reno so fucking [TS]

00:28:46   wet high school road and his enters [TS]

00:28:48   probably simpler stuff than you were [TS]

00:28:50   reading and my son my son goes through [TS]

00:28:51   that my son has a voracious reader and [TS]

00:28:53   yet [TS]

00:28:53   and then he complains about assigned [TS]

00:28:55   reading and it's like dude you're being [TS]

00:28:56   assigned reading it's your favorite [TS]

00:28:58   thing and these books that you're being [TS]

00:29:00   a sign our books that are the kind you [TS]

00:29:02   should like and yet he's like I'm and [TS]

00:29:05   it's taking time away from my books I [TS]

00:29:07   want to read over here and talk exactly [TS]

00:29:08   i had my stack of science fiction and [TS]

00:29:11   fantasy books that you know I at that [TS]

00:29:13   time i was reading The Lord of the Rings [TS]

00:29:14   every single year and you know it [TS]

00:29:17   I wanted to be able to keep doing that [TS]

00:29:19   means getting more difficult because I [TS]

00:29:20   ended up having to read crap like great [TS]

00:29:22   expectations which I still is still just [TS]

00:29:27   want to shake my fist at that look and [TS]

00:29:29   the movie which we had to watch in [TS]

00:29:30   school and yeah but I just I wanted Miss [TS]

00:29:34   Havisham to just burn to death on you [TS]

00:29:36   know page one and it was great this like [TS]

00:29:39   it's it's the same things like they did [TS]

00:29:41   Romeo and Juliet and they decided that [TS]

00:29:43   they will steal the show us the movie [TS]

00:29:45   because it's like this is almost like [TS]

00:29:46   being at school but not this is [TS]

00:29:48   wonderful but you got to see boobs [TS]

00:29:51   that's right night raid that yeah we [TS]

00:29:53   love the name grain honors honors math [TS]

00:29:55   grade who [TS]

00:29:56   yes yes only the honors kids can see [TS]

00:29:59   boobs on a civilian Shakespeare's they [TS]

00:30:01   were bosoms not breasts I i think the [TS]

00:30:05   teacher actually took all the boobs but [TS]

00:30:07   it was honors so you know it was obvious [TS]

00:30:10   that it's all it's all for science [TS]

00:30:12   really is great expectations your choice [TS]

00:30:14   by the way or it is that where there's [TS]

00:30:16   one number two and Google is the [TS]

00:30:19   sparknotes for great so we that that's [TS]

00:30:24   up there although a separate a separate [TS]

00:30:27   piece is our champion right now I think [TS]

00:30:30   Sandra's item in that somebody president [TS]

00:30:32   I i kinda like great expectation when [TS]

00:30:35   did you when did you read it was great [TS]

00:30:36   was that for you i'm going to say my [TS]

00:30:38   senior year of high school [TS]

00:30:40   ya see that was later I might have liked [TS]

00:30:41   it better later this was ninth grade [TS]

00:30:44   yeah also i'm a i'm a i'm a i'm a fast [TS]

00:30:48   reader which is good with dickens [TS]

00:30:50   because he's got a lot of words don't [TS]

00:30:52   know so many we got paid so I them so [TS]

00:30:54   yeah well that's what i wanted to about [TS]

00:30:57   Dickens I I don't love it i think i [TS]

00:31:01   think it goes down easy [TS]

00:31:02   I i think his style is is kind of [TS]

00:31:04   entertaining and breezy but it is so [TS]

00:31:07   circuitous and at at several points and [TS]

00:31:09   reading get great expectations I was [TS]

00:31:11   like hey wait a minute [TS]

00:31:12   like what it what you tryin to say like [TS]

00:31:15   I even even as a high schooler I I kind [TS]

00:31:19   of couldn't buy all the coincidences and [TS]

00:31:21   things that would happen in these in [TS]

00:31:23   these books but it was for me it was [TS]

00:31:24   easy to read so I I you know I it was [TS]

00:31:27   not a battle like some assigned reading [TS]

00:31:29   to read it it's not politically even [TS]

00:31:30   though I didn't you know I didn't love [TS]

00:31:32   it I thought it was you know it was fine [TS]

00:31:34   i think for me the problem with it and [TS]

00:31:36   many of these other books that I hated [TS]

00:31:37   so much was I when i'm consuming any [TS]

00:31:39   kind of media whether it be a book or [TS]

00:31:41   movie or TV show i like to have somebody [TS]

00:31:43   to root for and I just didn't like [TS]

00:31:45   anybody in a lot of these books whether [TS]

00:31:47   it was because their life was so vastly [TS]

00:31:50   different from mine and a character [TS]

00:31:51   wasn't written well enough to to be able [TS]

00:31:53   to convey any of the emotion that will [TS]

00:31:55   connect me to that that person or if it [TS]

00:31:58   was just because they were you know kind [TS]

00:31:59   of useless and making lots of poor [TS]

00:32:02   choices like paper and great [TS]

00:32:03   expectations so I think I was smarter [TS]

00:32:05   than some of the characters i was [TS]

00:32:07   reading in that I also important update [TS]

00:32:10   from the chatroom AF Waller tells the [TS]

00:32:11   story that they not only did they see [TS]

00:32:14   the scene with Romeo and Juliet with [TS]

00:32:15   boobs they saw it twice by lying to the [TS]

00:32:18   teacher about where they left off work [TS]

00:32:22   and waller comes up [TS]

00:32:24   okay i'm gonna i'm gonna pick something [TS]

00:32:26   and this is this gonna be love a love [TS]

00:32:28   hate story of a different sort one of my [TS]

00:32:30   assigned readings in i'm going to say my [TS]

00:32:32   junior in high school was the Red Badge [TS]

00:32:34   of Courage by Stephen Crane yes which is [TS]

00:32:37   a a civil war tail and i believe the [TS]

00:32:45   lines I I don't think this is actually [TS]

00:32:46   the book i think we summarize the style [TS]

00:32:48   of the book by by saying the youth ran [TS]

00:32:51   hither and thither because there was a [TS]

00:32:53   lot of running hitter and [TS]

00:32:55   there and it was always featuring the [TS]

00:32:57   youth I did not like the Red Badge of [TS]

00:33:00   Courage I thought it was weirdly written [TS]

00:33:03   it's short it's got that going for it [TS]

00:33:05   but but as a as a civil war tail I [TS]

00:33:09   didn't connect to it i thought his style [TS]

00:33:10   was really annoying my love story here [TS]

00:33:12   is that I really kind of love stephen [TS]

00:33:15   crane's poetry and i'm not a big poetry [TS]

00:33:18   person but i found a book of stephen [TS]

00:33:20   crane's poetry and it's great it's dark [TS]

00:33:23   and weird and mostly doesn't rhyme all [TS]

00:33:26   these things work for me when it comes [TS]

00:33:28   to poetry i really like it a lot but Red [TS]

00:33:30   Badge of Courage bug it's just I I feel [TS]

00:33:34   like it was assigned because it's like [TS]

00:33:35   well it's simple its American literature [TS]

00:33:37   its civil war [TS]

00:33:39   alright well we'll just assign revenge [TS]

00:33:41   courage it fits checks on the boxes like [TS]

00:33:43   yeah but it's really not very good [TS]

00:33:46   it's I I mean I appreciate that it's a [TS]

00:33:49   historical you know it's from somebody [TS]

00:33:51   in the period writing about it but no no [TS]

00:33:54   it's not good but and yellow stephen [TS]

00:33:56   crane's poetry so that's my love my love [TS]

00:33:58   him there were other there were other [TS]

00:34:00   kids in my high school who had to read [TS]

00:34:01   that because like I depending on the [TS]

00:34:03   teacher but I I was not in a class that [TS]

00:34:05   had to read that so I feel like I dodged [TS]

00:34:07   a civil war bullet and the hidden chat [TS]

00:34:09   room by the way is is celebrating now [TS]

00:34:11   because I i have i have nailed his is a [TS]

00:34:13   least favorite book of all time with the [TS]

00:34:16   Red Badge of Courage so if I did that [TS]

00:34:18   one for you [TS]

00:34:19   i I II and III the youth friend Heather [TS]

00:34:21   Heather and the other hitter in the [TS]

00:34:22   other there's so much the ring and hit [TS]

00:34:25   me in that book it is just visiting and [TS]

00:34:27   deterring ya know we are our high school [TS]

00:34:30   the the english and history worked [TS]

00:34:33   hand-in-hand because it was an open [TS]

00:34:36   space a design of a school so we had [TS]

00:34:40   these giant open areas and you would [TS]

00:34:43   have three classes in the same general [TS]

00:34:46   area no walls and you'd have your [TS]

00:34:48   english and history period smashed [TS]

00:34:51   together so sometimes you could do a [TS]

00:34:53   giant group to period thing or you can [TS]

00:34:56   just have your separate classes you know [TS]

00:34:58   just depending on what was that week and [TS]

00:35:00   so all of the books were you know tied [TS]

00:35:04   to whatever we were doing in history [TS]

00:35:06   oh yeah Red Badge of Courage presently [TS]

00:35:09   men were running hither and thither and [TS]

00:35:11   always be all the artillery booming [TS]

00:35:13   forward rearward and on the flanks made [TS]

00:35:15   jumble of ideas of direction i'm just [TS]

00:35:18   looking for a hitter a better number two [TS]

00:35:22   on google is sparknotes for Red Badge of [TS]

00:35:25   Courage right after wikipedia says hi a [TS]

00:35:27   high score of people who just want to [TS]

00:35:30   know what the hell was in that book they [TS]

00:35:31   don't want to read [TS]

00:35:32   I think that's telling maybe go a little [TS]

00:35:35   bit positive David you have something [TS]

00:35:37   positive to say about assigned reading [TS]

00:35:39   well I I'll do two at once ok there are [TS]

00:35:43   only two books there are no rules here [TS]

00:35:44   go ahead and i don't know let's let's [TS]

00:35:47   just say you know because because our [TS]

00:35:49   high school was a seven through 12 1 so [TS]

00:35:51   in six years there were two books that i [TS]

00:35:54   liked right off the bat and and [TS]

00:35:56   surprised me [TS]

00:35:57   one was to kill a mockingbird uh-huh [TS]

00:36:00   the other was the great gatsby this is [TS]

00:36:04   SB this is a book that with my wife and [TS]

00:36:06   I have you know she hates it she hates [TS]

00:36:09   everything about it she hates ok give [TS]

00:36:11   you a wife a fist bump for me this time [TS]

00:36:12   and also I don't like the story but i [TS]

00:36:17   but i like his writing I like yeah I [TS]

00:36:19   like some of his other stories better i [TS]

00:36:22   love the Pat hobby stories about life in [TS]

00:36:25   Hollywood [TS]

00:36:26   I i went on a Fitzgerald bender after [TS]

00:36:28   reading the great gatsby that Fitzgerald [TS]

00:36:30   bender could also mean an actual bender [TS]

00:36:33   but that you would be good name to move [TS]

00:36:36   its to Fitzgerald bender i love getting [TS]

00:36:39   babies and ghastly was on my list of [TS]

00:36:41   ones that I was gonna I was going to [TS]

00:36:43   bring up as a as as something that I [TS]

00:36:44   liked III and yes you there is there is [TS]

00:36:48   that aspect of the symbolism right over [TS]

00:36:51   the eyes the eyes is teaching you know [TS]

00:36:54   but but it means he's his style is great [TS]

00:36:57   i really appreciated the pro-style of ya [TS]

00:36:59   Fitzgerald and Gatsby and it was one of [TS]

00:37:02   those moments of like I'm actually [TS]

00:37:03   enjoying reading the assigned reading [TS]

00:37:05   what is happening exactly [TS]

00:37:07   absolutely absolutely correct and this [TS]

00:37:09   the story i don't i don't know how much [TS]

00:37:11   I like it but I just remember this [TS]

00:37:13   reading I did [TS]

00:37:14   I didn't have to read that in school I [TS]

00:37:16   bread it later but just the words though [TS]

00:37:19   and the way he's putting this together [TS]

00:37:20   and I felt like I felt funny just now to [TS]

00:37:24   like do a google search and look at the [TS]

00:37:26   let the the lead you talk about great [TS]

00:37:28   first pages that's because probably the [TS]

00:37:31   greatest last page ever all i really [TS]

00:37:34   feel the need to redo 3 flat 3 [TS]

00:37:37   paragraphs not even less for last 3 and [TS]

00:37:40   as I SAT there brooding on the old [TS]

00:37:42   unknown world I thought of Gatsby's [TS]

00:37:43   wonder when he first picked up the green [TS]

00:37:45   light at the end of Daisy's dock he had [TS]

00:37:47   come a long way to this blue lon and the [TS]

00:37:50   stream must have seemed so close that he [TS]

00:37:51   could hardly fail to grasp but he did [TS]

00:37:54   not know that was already behind him [TS]

00:37:55   somewhere back in that vast obscurity [TS]

00:37:58   beyond the city where the dark fields of [TS]

00:38:00   the Republic rolled on under the night [TS]

00:38:02   gets be believed in the green light the [TS]

00:38:05   orgastic future that year after year [TS]

00:38:07   recedes before us it eluded us then but [TS]

00:38:10   that's no matter tomorrow we will run [TS]

00:38:12   faster stretch out our arms farther and [TS]

00:38:15   one fine morning so we beat on boats [TS]

00:38:18   against the current borne back [TS]

00:38:20   ceaselessly ceaselessly into the past [TS]

00:38:22   and I can't think of many last pages i [TS]

00:38:25   just re-read as haha i reread the great [TS]

00:38:29   gatsby maybe once or twice a year [TS]

00:38:31   because for those there maybe a dozen [TS]

00:38:33   books that are just always on my iPad [TS]

00:38:35   because of I'll have booked some new [TS]

00:38:37   books i'm reading but I always maybe [TS]

00:38:38   want to dip into an old one but i can't [TS]

00:38:40   think without one where I just want to [TS]

00:38:42   read that last couple pages over and [TS]

00:38:45   over and over again it's intimate if [TS]

00:38:46   you're a writer it is intimidating to [TS]

00:38:49   see how good those words are wow i have [TS]

00:38:53   i have gets beyond my my thumbs down [TS]

00:38:55   list and hearing you read those [TS]

00:38:57   paragraphs reminds me why beautiful like [TS]

00:39:00   just it is not a stylet I mean it's just [TS]

00:39:02   like you know some people like to talk [TS]

00:39:04   just to hear the sound of their own [TS]

00:39:05   voice I feel like he was writing just to [TS]

00:39:07   hear the sound of his own words that is [TS]

00:39:09   exactly what my wife said this morning [TS]

00:39:11   alright she's like oh tell them i hated [TS]

00:39:15   gets back okay what happened how many [TS]

00:39:17   times have I have I read a [TS]

00:39:18   science-fiction book where while my god [TS]

00:39:21   that story is so intricate and the [TS]

00:39:23   science is so clever [TS]

00:39:25   but all my god put five words together [TS]

00:39:28   that make any sort of music please just [TS]

00:39:30   once this entire book and then the [TS]

00:39:33   captain put paint on the ship but the [TS]

00:39:36   pain was a different paint like oh for [TS]

00:39:38   God's sake [TS]

00:39:39   actually that's how I felt about doing [TS]

00:39:40   love the story but I couldn't get past [TS]

00:39:42   the press yeah can I can to do is I I so [TS]

00:39:45   I like the pro style of Gatsby I totally [TS]

00:39:48   I totally get where you're coming from [TS]

00:39:49   but I Erica but I I do like it [TS]

00:39:52   one of the things that I think struck me [TS]

00:39:54   at reading gatsby assigned reading was [TS]

00:39:58   the idea it i don't know who is the [TS]

00:40:02   first book but it's solidified in me [TS]

00:40:03   this and the fact that the narrator is [TS]

00:40:06   not Gatsby and that were observing [TS]

00:40:09   Gatsby and his and his story that really [TS]

00:40:12   struck me as about understanding about [TS]

00:40:14   perspective and seeing the the you know [TS]

00:40:18   the i guess you could say most important [TS]

00:40:20   character in the book is is seen from [TS]

00:40:23   someone else's perspective i just i [TS]

00:40:25   remember that really struck me at the [TS]

00:40:26   time like oh you could do that you think [TS]

00:40:28   that's a serious look at me just like [TS]

00:40:30   they'll allow you to do that yeah I mean [TS]

00:40:33   it's called the great gatsby but great [TS]

00:40:34   there but the Great Gatsby himself is [TS]

00:40:36   not the narrator there's a different guy [TS]

00:40:38   who's a narrator is kind of like on the [TS]

00:40:40   outside observing what's happening on a [TS]

00:40:43   whoa oh you know it maybe maybe my [TS]

00:40:46   biggest problem with it was just the [TS]

00:40:48   fact that there were no wizards or [TS]

00:40:49   dragons are spaceships or Reagan's [TS]

00:40:51   helicopter that is true the is though [TS]

00:40:55   the eyes it was almost called Trimalchio [TS]

00:40:57   in West Egg which almost sounds like [TS]

00:40:59   science fiction [TS]

00:41:00   yeah that listed that would've well [TS]

00:41:03   that's so bad [TS]

00:41:04   ya know that cover could work for a [TS]

00:41:06   bunch of science fiction stories though [TS]

00:41:08   that's true that there was one of a [TS]

00:41:11   handful of truly iconic book covers [TS]

00:41:13   where you kind of can't publish this [TS]

00:41:14   book without that cover so David did you [TS]

00:41:16   turn you threw in to kill a mockingbird [TS]

00:41:17   there is room to China which is I also [TS]

00:41:21   really liked [TS]

00:41:22   I you know I didn't want to read it was [TS]

00:41:23   not something that was remotely [TS]

00:41:26   interesting very few spaceships and that [TS]

00:41:28   and you know but everyone i started i [TS]

00:41:30   started skimming it because it's great [TS]

00:41:32   need to be able to talk about in class [TS]

00:41:34   and then I kept reading because the [TS]

00:41:36   writing was so good and you know maybe [TS]

00:41:40   it could have been shorter i often feel [TS]

00:41:43   that but I man he was just I couldn't [TS]

00:41:46   put it down once i started actually [TS]

00:41:48   reading it and I went back and read the [TS]

00:41:50   parts that i had skimmed because like [TS]

00:41:52   RNA i missed stuff so maybe I didn't [TS]

00:41:55   read it in the right order but oh so [TS]

00:41:58   where does where do i gets be and and to [TS]

00:42:01   kill a mockingbird show up on her or [TS]

00:42:03   what is it what's that website again I'd [TS]

00:42:06   forgotten the name of the weird one [TS]

00:42:07   already [TS]

00:42:08   snoop snoop choose before so we'll call [TS]

00:42:10   this the segment Erica now this segment [TS]

00:42:12   is called snoop watch [TS]

00:42:13   let's go to watch out for the smooth [TS]

00:42:16   much for your great gatsby great gatsby [TS]

00:42:19   number three on sparknotes number three [TS]

00:42:23   is spark notes on the associated with [TS]

00:42:25   wade and we're sorry scoop no luck for [TS]

00:42:28   you [TS]

00:42:29   I think it speaks well of know you're [TS]

00:42:31   smooth for yash before you kill a [TS]

00:42:35   mockingbird let's see where it ranks to [TS]

00:42:38   kill a mockingbird number two number two [TS]

00:42:40   Spartans a little a little harder to get [TS]

00:42:43   through i guess the Gatsby that's it is [TS]

00:42:46   longer totally scientific this this what [TS]

00:42:49   we're doing here totally scientific he [TS]

00:42:50   did you have a thing you would like to [TS]

00:42:52   speak positively of that wasn't yeah I [TS]

00:42:55   had to picked out of that for all these [TS]

00:42:57   I really assiduously tried not to do a [TS]

00:43:00   web search for what kind of books tend [TS]

00:43:02   to be assigned in English class i can't [TS]

00:43:04   remember stuff and I was i decided to [TS]

00:43:06   keep quiet when erica was picking great [TS]

00:43:08   expectations because a great [TS]

00:43:10   expectations is on my positive list i [TS]

00:43:12   have so many so many positive memories [TS]

00:43:15   of this book and one of the reasons why [TS]

00:43:17   I like it so much was the way that it [TS]

00:43:19   had been written that this is designed [TS]

00:43:21   to be episodic to try to get cheated by [TS]

00:43:23   the next installment of this which kind [TS]

00:43:26   of prevents an author from getting into [TS]

00:43:28   the wait a minute i need to go back to [TS]

00:43:30   chapter one and described the Rope again [TS]

00:43:32   because i do I don't think they'll get [TS]

00:43:34   their next when I say the word rope [TS]

00:43:36   I actually mean dreams it'sit's [TS]

00:43:40   but more than that but more than that [TS]

00:43:42   let me tell you something about really [TS]

00:43:44   great writing every time I'm like at a [TS]

00:43:47   friend's house or I'm and i hope to bury [TS]

00:43:50   a man hotel and the the soap that they [TS]

00:43:53   give you is like heavily perfumed every [TS]

00:43:56   single time I'm washing my hands and [TS]

00:43:58   this perfume from the soap it's my face [TS]

00:44:00   i always think of that scene from great [TS]

00:44:02   expectations where Mr Jagger's the [TS]

00:44:04   lawyer washing his hands every time he [TS]

00:44:07   sees a client specifically with perfume [TS]

00:44:09   so because it is such an evocative way [TS]

00:44:13   that he described this the scenes within [TS]

00:44:15   miss havesham's house with the moldering [TS]

00:44:18   wedding cake on the table still set for [TS]

00:44:20   her wedding party [TS]

00:44:21   I just have such a crystal-clear image [TS]

00:44:24   of what that place looked like and I'd [TS]

00:44:27   have to it's actually been a number of [TS]

00:44:29   years since the last time I read it I [TS]

00:44:31   did read it once or twice since 10th [TS]

00:44:34   grade or ninth grade wherever whenever I [TS]

00:44:36   was supposed to read it but there it I'd [TS]

00:44:38   just remember all of these evocative [TS]

00:44:41   scenes that just got me so engrossed in [TS]

00:44:43   this story that got me to the next one [TS]

00:44:45   the next one that I just remember being [TS]

00:44:48   a really pleasant experience it for a [TS]

00:44:50   long it was a long book for for high [TS]

00:44:52   school but I just remember just being a [TS]

00:44:55   book that I quickly found myself reading [TS]

00:44:57   just for pleasure just on that stack of [TS]

00:44:59   books on my nightstand [TS]

00:45:00   yes the I I couldn't get through Dickens [TS]

00:45:02   I I kept trying and trying because it [TS]

00:45:05   there I i was interested in a girl who [TS]

00:45:07   loved Charles Dickens and you know and [TS]

00:45:11   especially christmas carol i hated [TS]

00:45:13   Christmas care [TS]

00:45:14   oh yeah we're so up we were so upset [TS]

00:45:16   that well no wait wait wait wait I hated [TS]

00:45:20   it at the time it wasn't until Patrick [TS]

00:45:22   Stewart's one man christmas carol that [TS]

00:45:24   suddenly it came alive for me and I and [TS]

00:45:26   and I really enjoy it because he does it [TS]

00:45:28   straight from the text is it's not an [TS]

00:45:30   adaptation it's not well actually [TS]

00:45:33   actually it is he do have to prove that [TS]

00:45:35   the game has ever hurt them [TS]

00:45:37   it's trimmed but it's but he's not [TS]

00:45:38   changing the words of the dialogue [TS]

00:45:40   raining that all of the words are [TS]

00:45:41   Dickens's words and if it was just [TS]

00:45:46   lovely and i went back and read it with [TS]

00:45:48   his voice in my head [TS]

00:45:49   and and it was lovely and then I went [TS]

00:45:52   back and said all right well maybe I'll [TS]

00:45:53   try something that I still can't get [TS]

00:45:55   through them but you're right hey we [TS]

00:45:58   don't have to wait that's it we're not [TS]

00:45:59   seeking a record here we everybody has [TS]

00:46:02   their own views i think it's interesting [TS]

00:46:03   when somebody like something that [TS]

00:46:05   somebody else doesn't like because then [TS]

00:46:07   we know why i was assigned yeah that's [TS]

00:46:11   true i like some of these where we are [TS]

00:46:13   baffled Erica do you have a thing you [TS]

00:46:17   wanted to say nice things about yes i [TS]

00:46:20   have i have so many nice things to say [TS]

00:46:22   about a book that was it was assigned to [TS]

00:46:24   us in seventh grade and everybody else [TS]

00:46:27   hated this book with a passion except [TS]

00:46:30   for me and my friend Mike to people who [TS]

00:46:31   had been reading geeky stuff for many [TS]

00:46:33   years already and that is Ursula K Le [TS]

00:46:35   Guin's a wizard of Earthsea yes I had [TS]

00:46:39   died never heard of it before but when i [TS]

00:46:40   came home with that my parents were like [TS]

00:46:42   oh my god you're reading Ursula K Le [TS]

00:46:43   Guin you have the best teacher ever [TS]

00:46:45   and I was like okay well this gives me [TS]

00:46:47   hope so I cracked it open and it was [TS]

00:46:49   just this amazing story of a boy wizard [TS]

00:46:52   going away to wizard school and getting [TS]

00:46:55   into a duel with a fellow wizard where [TS]

00:46:57   he accidentally sort of cracks open the [TS]

00:46:59   fabric of reality and let the shadow out [TS]

00:47:01   and then has to deal with the fact of [TS]

00:47:03   this shadow being in the world for the [TS]

00:47:05   rest of his life until he can figure out [TS]

00:47:07   how to how to handle that and it was [TS]

00:47:09   just so many things that were up my [TS]

00:47:11   alley but written in I mean it was it [TS]

00:47:14   was a book that was I don't know if it [TS]

00:47:15   was exactly aimed at at kids but it was [TS]

00:47:18   it was very simple but it wasn't written [TS]

00:47:20   like a kids book that was written at the [TS]

00:47:23   time that i was reading it because this [TS]

00:47:25   thing was was from 1968 so so much much [TS]

00:47:28   older but it was it was it was like [TS]

00:47:30   written as a kids book that didn't talk [TS]

00:47:33   down to us and I think that was the [TS]

00:47:35   problem that a lot of the other kids in [TS]

00:47:36   my school had because some of them were [TS]

00:47:38   the brightest bulbs and they struggled [TS]

00:47:40   but man i just got totally wrapped up in [TS]

00:47:43   it i immediately went out and made my [TS]

00:47:44   parents get me the rest of the books in [TS]

00:47:46   the series and have read the multiple [TS]

00:47:48   times since then so I say a huge thanks [TS]

00:47:51   to my seventh grade English teacher [TS]

00:47:52   whose name I've forgotten but thanks [TS]

00:47:54   anyway lady shmoop check by the way [TS]

00:47:59   shmoop wins on this one fourth is a [TS]

00:48:02   schmoo play [TS]

00:48:03   to visit the best investment nobody i'm [TS]

00:48:06   saying that right in the ship moop it's [TS]

00:48:09   probably scoop anyways moving on what [TS]

00:48:11   are the other ones above shmoop though [TS]

00:48:13   everything else and ok and wikipedia [TS]

00:48:17   yeah I I always loved her work i went [TS]

00:48:20   every year we got to pick one book and [TS]

00:48:23   just you know read whatever we wanted [TS]

00:48:24   and report on it and you know you the [TS]

00:48:26   teachers would just sort of read it and [TS]

00:48:28   go yeah he read the book a and one year [TS]

00:48:32   I picked her book always coming home [TS]

00:48:34   which if you don't know it it's [TS]

00:48:37   wonderful it's it's like it's not [TS]

00:48:40   exactly a novel it's like part novel [TS]

00:48:43   part anthropological study of this [TS]

00:48:45   culture that and I have to get the quote [TS]

00:48:48   right might be going to have lived a [TS]

00:48:51   long long time from now in Northern [TS]

00:48:54   California and it's lovely because [TS]

00:48:57   because it's it's a great act of world [TS]

00:48:59   mad world building where it you know [TS]

00:49:03   she's presenting the culture and the [TS]

00:49:05   science and and you know how they [TS]

00:49:07   evolved and how their their society and [TS]

00:49:09   it was lovely and afterwards the teacher [TS]

00:49:12   came back to me like three months later [TS]

00:49:14   and said you know I picked that book up [TS]

00:49:16   because it sounded really interesting [TS]

00:49:17   that's really good i went on that I had [TS]

00:49:21   never read that one but but after [TS]

00:49:23   reading those books i went on just a [TS]

00:49:25   tarot reading all of her books i could [TS]

00:49:26   get my hands on [TS]

00:49:27   luckily there were quite a few in my [TS]

00:49:28   parents basement already so many easy [TS]

00:49:30   and then I actually get to meet her she [TS]

00:49:32   came and did our reading at a little [TS]

00:49:34   cafe bar that friend my parents owned in [TS]

00:49:38   the fort atkinson Wisconsin of all [TS]

00:49:39   places and and she was just delightful [TS]

00:49:42   and lovely and she signed her books and [TS]

00:49:44   it was it was a very exciting time for [TS]

00:49:46   me as a youngster very nice my I haven't [TS]

00:49:50   read percy left hand of darkness was my [TS]

00:49:52   look when that i read which I don't [TS]

00:49:55   think was assigned I don't think so but [TS]

00:49:58   it's possible it was I don't think I [TS]

00:50:00   don't think so though they're doing an [TS]

00:50:02   adaptation of that on BBC radio right [TS]

00:50:04   now I'm going to throw out at all so [TS]

00:50:08   this is in you knew this was going to [TS]

00:50:09   happen these are the things that are [TS]

00:50:11   like just close enough to the science [TS]

00:50:13   fiction genre that you latch onto it you [TS]

00:50:15   say nothing [TS]

00:50:16   yes i like that yes i will read that [TS]

00:50:19   slaughterhouse five [TS]

00:50:21   yeah I i really like kurt vonnegut I've [TS]

00:50:25   read a lot of vonnegut not all but a lot [TS]

00:50:28   I enjoy slaughterhouse-five a great deal [TS]

00:50:32   um I may be my favorite of we-we-we red [TS]

00:50:36   cat's cradle to which I don't which I [TS]

00:50:38   find a little off-putting [TS]

00:50:39   yeah but slaughterhouse-five is is just [TS]

00:50:42   so great and and let's be honest here [TS]

00:50:44   every movie or TV writer and probably a [TS]

00:50:47   lot of novelists in the science fiction [TS]

00:50:49   genre in the last 50 years have [TS]

00:50:52   endlessly ripped off the conceit of [TS]

00:50:54   slaughterhouse five people for their I [TS]

00:50:57   mean it'sit's lake and you either do [TS]

00:50:59   your christmas carol episode for you do [TS]

00:51:03   your unstuck in time episode that choice [TS]

00:51:05   is a dickens you're gonna get you choose [TS]

00:51:08   or your shaman episode yeah that's true [TS]

00:51:11   well then you throw that in there and i [TS]

00:51:12   was going to say you could also it could [TS]

00:51:14   also be your um I the the Christmas [TS]

00:51:18   genre starts with a christmas carol but [TS]

00:51:21   it goes off to it's a wonderful life [TS]

00:51:23   which is solved itself kind of a spin on [TS]

00:51:26   the Christmas carols so anyway sorry has [TS]

00:51:29   five so great it is about world war two [TS]

00:51:32   it is about the firebombing of Dresden [TS]

00:51:33   it is also about strange aliens from [TS]

00:51:35   planet travel family door and there and [TS]

00:51:39   they view time differently and billy [TS]

00:51:41   pilgrim becomes unstuck in time and the [TS]

00:51:42   book is told in a in this kaleidoscopic [TS]

00:51:45   time sequence which you know i guess [TS]

00:51:50   i'll also put a Quentin Tarantino down [TS]

00:51:52   on the list for like what we do the [TS]

00:51:55   narrative anyway we can't we just picked [TS]

00:51:57   up the times people figure it out maybe [TS]

00:51:58   but it's but i really do i I you know it [TS]

00:52:02   is i can appreciate this literature i [TS]

00:52:04   can appreciate it as a great style and [TS]

00:52:07   and also just as a really entertaining [TS]

00:52:10   book entertaining ride so I like wanna [TS]

00:52:15   get in general but that one in [TS]

00:52:16   particular and there was that moment of [TS]

00:52:17   like oh my god there's like time travel [TS]

00:52:19   and aliens and stuff innocent and they [TS]

00:52:21   made us read it what's the best how you [TS]

00:52:23   you're lucky we didn't have to read any [TS]

00:52:26   vonnegut although i was thinking about [TS]

00:52:27   this when David was mentioning reading a [TS]

00:52:29   book for fun to do but to also do a [TS]

00:52:31   report on that he got to choose and I [TS]

00:52:33   had a friend who had read breakfast of [TS]

00:52:37   champions in ninth grade to do a book [TS]

00:52:38   report on and he told me that it was by [TS]

00:52:40   far the worst book he had ever read it [TS]

00:52:42   was terrible and so of course I was like [TS]

00:52:44   it can't be that bad I have to read this [TS]

00:52:46   and see if it's terrible and I adored it [TS]

00:52:48   was the first body that I had ever come [TS]

00:52:50   across and then I have course went [TS]

00:52:52   through and read i think most of the [TS]

00:52:54   rest of his works at that time and i [TS]

00:52:57   think i came to slaughterhouse-five a [TS]

00:52:58   little bit late so I was kind of at the [TS]

00:53:00   end of my intense love affair with his [TS]

00:53:02   writing but it was it was good i think [TS]

00:53:04   the sirens of titan was my favorite of [TS]

00:53:06   all of them [TS]

00:53:07   yeah we had we had slaughterhouse-five [TS]

00:53:10   like you could you could go through the [TS]

00:53:12   lingua Sharia zand and open up the [TS]

00:53:15   cabinets and sea stacks of books and I [TS]

00:53:17   had you know 1984 and slaughterhouse [TS]

00:53:19   five and fahrenheit 451 and they never [TS]

00:53:22   assigned any of them in the six years I [TS]

00:53:24   was there and it drove me nuts because [TS]

00:53:27   these are good [TS]

00:53:28   come on yeah and I quite liked cats [TS]

00:53:31   cradle i'm going to put it a thumbs up [TS]

00:53:33   for that one my family actually listened [TS]

00:53:34   to the audiobook version of that on the [TS]

00:53:36   way to Florida for Christmas vacation [TS]

00:53:38   that's the kind of nerdy family I got it [TS]

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00:54:56   site it can be a single page that's what [TS]

00:54:58   cover pages are for if you've got a new [TS]

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00:55:51   Squarespace build it beautiful I think [TS]

00:55:54   what we should do now is we're gonna let [TS]

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00:55:57   table so the this draft that is not a [TS]

00:56:00   draft that has gone on for three rounds [TS]

00:56:02   that's it love it or hate it I I just [TS]

00:56:04   want to go to intern and if you've got [TS]

00:56:05   other things I've got like four or five [TS]

00:56:07   things laying here that I didn't get a [TS]

00:56:08   chance to mention let's get them out [TS]

00:56:10   before we before we say goodbye so David [TS]

00:56:13   what do you have left [TS]

00:56:15   well I've got the the complete works of [TS]

00:56:17   arthur miller lite let you gotta specify [TS]

00:56:20   love it or hate it [TS]

00:56:21   yeah it right through that and the [TS]

00:56:25   crucible not i'm not a big fan of the [TS]

00:56:27   crucible not a fan of the crucible that [TS]

00:56:29   was that was the worst 10 slaughterhouse [TS]

00:56:31   five by the way in the schmoop shmoop [TS]

00:56:32   watch a slaughterhouse five sparknotes [TS]

00:56:35   comes up fourth in the search for [TS]

00:56:37   slaughterhouse-five so pretty good bad [TS]

00:56:38   good job [TS]

00:56:39   it's a junker funny guys did I grew up [TS]

00:56:42   in a very poor like part of town that I [TS]

00:56:44   was buying monarch notes not sparknotes [TS]

00:56:46   the cliff notes without like that they [TS]

00:56:48   came [TS]

00:56:48   version of the notes i I've never heard [TS]

00:56:51   of mykenae is there I i think they [TS]

00:56:53   vanished i don't know what happened to [TS]

00:56:55   them I'm islaam there there there yeah [TS]

00:56:57   we got those yeah they're still around [TS]

00:56:59   yeah but yeah pretty much all the rest [TS]

00:57:01   of minor or hate them so you know the [TS]

00:57:04   crucible the human comedy by William [TS]

00:57:08   Saroyan I I really reacted badly to the [TS]

00:57:12   the heartwarming slices of Americana [TS]

00:57:15   books [TS]

00:57:16   yeah how'd you feel about our town i'm [TS]

00:57:21   ok with it after we produced it I hated [TS]

00:57:23   reading it [TS]

00:57:24   we didn't produce it out here at the [TS]

00:57:26   college a couple years ago it was [TS]

00:57:27   slightly differently and it was really [TS]

00:57:29   nice [TS]

00:57:30   it's long it could be shorter again but [TS]

00:57:36   but but i like it because it's it's dark [TS]

00:57:38   we found the the sort of dark it's not [TS]

00:57:40   it's not sweetheart for me the same way [TS]

00:57:43   Serena Serena is just goop movement on [TS]

00:57:48   and they made us read Siddhartha by [TS]

00:57:52   Hermann Hesse which I hated so much I [TS]

00:57:55   title because we had to write an essay [TS]

00:57:57   after each one is a was titled own is [TS]

00:58:00   where city's heart is and the it was the [TS]

00:58:03   only SI i did not get a perfect score on [TS]

00:58:05   a pretty much because of the title [TS]

00:58:07   that's that sounds like what you're here [TS]

00:58:11   at the end of a political episode 2 next [TS]

00:58:12   week fall apart as the guy who wrote all [TS]

00:58:17   those all those terrible puns and all [TS]

00:58:19   the incomparable radio theatre scripts [TS]

00:58:20   it's I know it was shared so early [TS]

00:58:23   Friday but they were i hope so messed up [TS]

00:58:25   so yeah it was the dog museum it was the [TS]

00:58:29   museum now so there's a good chance you [TS]

00:58:32   will pass this on to your children [TS]

00:58:33   genetically oh it's too late for that [TS]

00:58:35   yeah it's they're there they're well on [TS]

00:58:38   their way and then and then against the [TS]

00:58:40   one book you know it's it's weird [TS]

00:58:43   because I don't really go for anything [TS]

00:58:45   she stands for but i did enjoy reading [TS]

00:58:48   the fountainhead it's it's Florida it's [TS]

00:58:51   soap operatic she was brilliant in that [TS]

00:58:54   she came up with a philosophy where no [TS]

00:58:56   one was allowed to edit her [TS]

00:58:58   so you know because that would be [TS]

00:58:59   running counter to what the Creator was [TS]

00:59:02   doing in the Creator is right but for [TS]

00:59:05   all that it's you know it's a good [TS]

00:59:07   potboiler if you just sort of ignore the [TS]

00:59:09   philosophy and then you go wow that [TS]

00:59:12   wasn't so bad i'll read Atlas Shrugged [TS]

00:59:13   don't read Atlas Shrugged you know Two [TS]

00:59:18   and then and then the the very last one [TS]

00:59:20   in AP English never that was that was a [TS]

00:59:24   nice one because we did we got a list of [TS]

00:59:26   books and you got to pick any any book [TS]

00:59:29   you want to read in any order and you [TS]

00:59:31   only had to read five of them and it's [TS]

00:59:33   alright yeah and you did a lot of [TS]

00:59:35   one-on-one discussion with the teacher [TS]

00:59:37   and so great and and I finally picked [TS]

00:59:40   Graham Greene I'd never read any Graham [TS]

00:59:42   Greene and you had a choice you could [TS]

00:59:44   read The Third Man which in retrospect I [TS]

00:59:47   should have read haha [TS]

00:59:48   or you could read the power and the [TS]

00:59:50   glory and I read the power and the glory [TS]

00:59:53   which is about when the Catholic Church [TS]

00:59:55   was outlawed in mexico mix [TS]

00:59:55   was outlawed in mexico mix [TS]

01:00:00   spain and and it's the last priest in [TS]

01:00:02   the country on the run and people are [TS]

01:00:04   hunting him to kill him and it is just I [TS]

01:00:08   mean it's i will say it's a beautifully [TS]

01:00:10   written portrait of despair but it I [TS]

01:00:14   couldn't get through it because it was [TS]

01:00:16   changing me i was getting so into it was [TS]

01:00:19   so beautifully written that and my [TS]

01:00:21   mother finally said you have to stop [TS]

01:00:23   reading that you have to put it down and [TS]

01:00:26   I put I've never read the last I don't [TS]

01:00:28   know 50 60 pages of it and I put it down [TS]

01:00:31   and life was sunny again so that's [TS]

01:00:34   that's my list that's your last okay [TS]

01:00:35   fair enough [TS]

01:00:36   Andy the only other one that was on my [TS]

01:00:40   list [TS]

01:00:41   I'm amazed that if I if when I set out [TS]

01:00:43   to think of not just love books today [TS]

01:00:46   was forced to read that I really liked [TS]

01:00:48   and I really didn't like but how about [TS]

01:00:49   all of them [TS]

01:00:50   it was a short list of ones i could [TS]

01:00:52   actually remember wasn't it would be you [TS]

01:00:55   I was you would come up with well how [TS]

01:00:57   about the tempest okay well yeah I did I [TS]

01:01:01   think happened I had to read The Tempest [TS]

01:01:02   to but man there's so few that would [TS]

01:01:05   really stand out but the other one that [TS]

01:01:07   was on my list as a positive was the [TS]

01:01:10   call of the wild for a couple of major [TS]

01:01:12   reasons i thought the number one it was [TS]

01:01:14   a great story well if there's nothing [TS]

01:01:16   written about this that was designed as [TS]

01:01:19   a great literature it was just designed [TS]

01:01:21   to be a pot boiling thriller that [TS]

01:01:23   because Jaclyn was Jack London he could [TS]

01:01:25   only write from his own experience in [TS]

01:01:27   his own mindset about the world and it [TS]

01:01:29   just simply came out as this really [TS]

01:01:31   interesting story about in which a dog [TS]

01:01:33   is the lead character and I liked it so [TS]

01:01:36   it stands out not only because I liked [TS]

01:01:37   that book because I liked it so much [TS]

01:01:39   that I had to read White Fang because i [TS]

01:01:42   was like that was like the perfect [TS]

01:01:43   sequel like if you're doing a movie [TS]

01:01:44   sequel same old c's ok Jack [TS]

01:01:47   congratulations our biggest summer [TS]

01:01:49   biggest may opening and in Hollywood [TS]

01:01:51   history 280 million dollars on a [TS]

01:01:53   three-day weekend [TS]

01:01:54   now I gonna follow it up and he's [TS]

01:01:56   desperate uh well the fuck all the wild [TS]

01:01:58   was about a domestic dog becomes while [TS]

01:02:01   how about a wild dog that becomes [TS]

01:02:03   domestic great go opposite right for us [TS]

01:02:06   we need to start filling in six weeks [TS]

01:02:07   and even that with it is an obvious the [TS]

01:02:10   turn but it was a really really good [TS]

01:02:12   story and then [TS]

01:02:13   one of them had read the sea wolf and I [TS]

01:02:15   want to bring about as much Jaclyn as i [TS]

01:02:17   can get my hands on just amazing [TS]

01:02:19   adventure stories that this is the [TS]

01:02:23   attitude of a little kid like i can't [TS]

01:02:25   believe that like people in 1910 1920 is [TS]

01:02:27   actually were like knew how to write [TS]

01:02:29   this look actually write fun books they [TS]

01:02:31   they were all riding like these [TS]

01:02:33   incredibly legend like little dramatic [TS]

01:02:35   plays and passion plays like it was [TS]

01:02:38   actually written like an Indiana Jones [TS]

01:02:39   movie almost and so it it's it's aiight [TS]

01:02:43   and that's another one of those series [TS]

01:02:45   of books where I can just remember [TS]

01:02:47   scenes just vividly playing out in my [TS]

01:02:50   head as I was watching it as i was [TS]

01:02:52   reading this I listen to me almost [TS]

01:02:54   watching this book because he was just [TS]

01:02:56   painting such deep deep pictures of [TS]

01:03:00   worlds that I never even seen on [TS]

01:03:02   television let alone you know about seen [TS]

01:03:04   in a book so it's just you i think that [TS]

01:03:07   your best experiences with books when [TS]

01:03:09   you remember the emotional ride that you [TS]

01:03:13   went through as you were reading or [TS]

01:03:16   experiencing it and Jack London it [TS]

01:03:18   really does deliver that for me [TS]

01:03:20   yeah good great style from Jaclyn it's [TS]

01:03:22   funny you say that the it's amazing that [TS]

01:03:25   something this old could be this fun you [TS]

01:03:28   know I think there's a tendency among [TS]

01:03:30   people and including parents and [TS]

01:03:32   teachers to think of the classics and [TS]

01:03:35   have the classics mean something that [TS]

01:03:37   does not necessarily mean that they're [TS]

01:03:38   fun that and I think that's what I think [TS]

01:03:41   that's fundamentally wrong i think there [TS]

01:03:43   is that they're important they're good [TS]

01:03:44   they're they're full of nutrients and [TS]

01:03:46   minerals and vitamins and that's why [TS]

01:03:47   we're going to teach my class and we we [TS]

01:03:50   forget these were popped this was [TS]

01:03:51   popular fiction at the time [TS]

01:03:53   well and that and that some of the stuff [TS]

01:03:55   that gets considered classic is like if [TS]

01:03:58   it's fun it can't be classic and if it's [TS]

01:03:59   classic that can't be fun and I think [TS]

01:04:01   that's wrong [TS]

01:04:02   my wife being a children's librarian [TS]

01:04:04   there are there is a certain kind of [TS]

01:04:06   parent who comes into the children's [TS]

01:04:07   room and says I don't want my kids [TS]

01:04:09   reading any of this modern popular fun [TS]

01:04:12   stuff [TS]

01:04:12   only the classics and when they ask the [TS]

01:04:15   classics like there are lots of really [TS]

01:04:17   fun great classic things like older [TS]

01:04:19   things they don't mean that they mean I [TS]

01:04:22   want to give my kids really dry terrible [TS]

01:04:24   stuff that is going to lie [TS]

01:04:26   you know sue their brands i want to read [TS]

01:04:29   while they're listening to the the [TS]

01:04:31   classical music because i'm going to [TS]

01:04:32   turn them into some sort of genius and [TS]

01:04:36   its end and it's misguided but i think [TS]

01:04:38   that happens with assigned reading in [TS]

01:04:39   general is is if it's if it's too much [TS]

01:04:41   fun then we're not going to bother so [TS]

01:04:44   when you hit on something that works [TS]

01:04:45   with you and if anyone is still old and [TS]

01:04:48   considered a classic you have a moment [TS]

01:04:49   like oh I didn't know that I didn't know [TS]

01:04:52   they could do fun things back then the [TS]

01:04:54   answer is yeah they can they just don't [TS]

01:04:56   show you any of the fun things because [TS]

01:04:58   they want to be very serious and show [TS]

01:05:00   you the serious things and sometimes I [TS]

01:05:02   think the pose and that the fun things [TS]

01:05:04   are classics to and and I think people [TS]

01:05:07   just are reluctant to to assign fun [TS]

01:05:11   ya know you look let's let's not read [TS]

01:05:13   Jules for in here read sister Carrie by [TS]

01:05:15   theodore dreiser yeah that's good that's [TS]

01:05:18   that's intelligent I and you have [TS]

01:05:21   anymore that you're at the jera hold [TS]

01:05:24   onto uh the only the only half one was [TS]

01:05:28   text for nothing but because i think but [TS]

01:05:33   i think we were where we had to read [TS]

01:05:35   waiting for waiting for godot and I was [TS]

01:05:39   indifferent towards it and for some [TS]

01:05:41   reason there was some sort of a book [TS]

01:05:43   that was never mentioned this text for [TS]

01:05:45   nothing that Beckett had also written [TS]

01:05:47   and I wasn't assigned to read it so i [TS]

01:05:50   don't i don't include but i do want to [TS]

01:05:52   mention that it was just the most fun it [TS]

01:05:55   was one of the earliest experiences of [TS]

01:05:57   seeing something that had actually been [TS]

01:05:59   marked as great literature that was also [TS]

01:06:01   great fun to read because it's basically [TS]

01:06:03   he wrote like one run on sentence that [TS]

01:06:06   goes on for pages and pages and pages [TS]

01:06:08   and it makes no sense until i remember [TS]

01:06:11   being there in my bedroom just like [TS]

01:06:14   saying try as I would sometimes do if I [TS]

01:06:16   couldn't really scan a sentence like [TS]

01:06:18   reading it aloud and of course it was [TS]

01:06:20   designed to be performed that way and [TS]

01:06:22   suddenly you realize that you're in the [TS]

01:06:24   mindset of this person whose mind is [TS]

01:06:26   completely racing and cannot focus on [TS]

01:06:28   one thing and he doesn't know what he's [TS]

01:06:30   talking about until he actually works [TS]

01:06:32   out for himself so that that would sort [TS]

01:06:34   of be a half [TS]

01:06:35   half of the qualification for this but [TS]

01:06:38   texts or nothing by samuel beckett was [TS]

01:06:39   another thing i remember reading [TS]

01:06:41   associated with school and really enjoy [TS]

01:06:43   it [TS]

01:06:44   yeah that's that's a lovely piece [TS]

01:06:46   suddenly no no all once I couldn't I [TS]

01:06:49   couldn't anymore i'd go through there's [TS]

01:06:52   that there was a time when there was a [TS]

01:06:54   time where i was actually kind of [TS]

01:06:55   committed i want to see how much of this [TS]

01:06:57   i can memorize because I just like the [TS]

01:06:59   but I just like the idea of like pacing [TS]

01:07:01   in my room suddenly know slowly but once [TS]

01:07:04   I couldn't I just couldn't anymore and [TS]

01:07:06   then sentence after sentence after [TS]

01:07:07   sentence and then of course I started [TS]

01:07:09   having other things to do with my time [TS]

01:07:10   to memorize Beckett but you can't even [TS]

01:07:13   imagine it [TS]

01:07:15   yeah I waiting for godot drove me nuts [TS]

01:07:17   and it wasn't until they read [TS]

01:07:19   Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are dead [TS]

01:07:21   which is basically waiting for godot in [TS]

01:07:24   the middle of Hamlet yes and and then [TS]

01:07:26   you know it's like well alright i prefer [TS]

01:07:28   Rosencrantz but I so love the idea of [TS]

01:07:31   Rhodes vs Rosencrantz and Guildenstern [TS]

01:07:32   are dead it hooked me just how you know [TS]

01:07:35   how like there's these two guys who had [TS]

01:07:36   like one line [TS]

01:07:38   how about an entire play based on them [TS]

01:07:40   and i think was because i was also [TS]

01:07:42   reading comic books at the time saying [TS]

01:07:43   hey what's the story about these two [TS]

01:07:45   guys [TS]

01:07:46   great let's do a story about these two [TS]

01:07:47   guys yeah Erica what do you have left [TS]

01:07:51   I actually have quite a few because I [TS]

01:07:52   sort of cheated right when i was first [TS]

01:07:55   trying to think of about this I couldn't [TS]

01:07:57   remember a whole lot so I went on [TS]

01:07:58   facebook and you know just put out the [TS]

01:07:59   call to anybody who went to my high [TS]

01:08:01   school or elementary school to give me [TS]

01:08:03   some help and actually I just most of [TS]

01:08:05   the stuff they suggested were things [TS]

01:08:06   that I hadn't tried because I different [TS]

01:08:08   teachers but i'll start with a positive [TS]

01:08:10   here so i'm actually in college this is [TS]

01:08:13   when I did remember myself we read for [TS]

01:08:16   comparative literature i read a hundred [TS]

01:08:17   years of solitude which i loved i had [TS]

01:08:21   never gotten so much out of a book [TS]

01:08:23   before I think that was my first [TS]

01:08:24   experience just sort of interacting with [TS]

01:08:26   a text i'm on that sort of a cerebral [TS]

01:08:29   level because before I just wanted to [TS]

01:08:31   you know read about my spaceships and [TS]

01:08:32   stuff so I was just angry so this one [TS]

01:08:35   night that when I enjoyed another one [TS]

01:08:38   then I like quite a bit was mythology by [TS]

01:08:41   edith hamilton which was a very popular [TS]

01:08:43   book about mythology it wasn't you know [TS]

01:08:46   fictional except that you know myths are [TS]

01:08:47   fictional [TS]

01:08:48   I i had always been interested in Greek [TS]

01:08:51   myths and stuff so so I quite like that [TS]

01:08:53   one [TS]

01:08:53   i also have a catcher in the rye on my [TS]

01:08:55   my plus list not like a huge thumbs up [TS]

01:08:58   but what I quite enjoyed it i really [TS]

01:09:00   like about your catcher in the rye and [TS]

01:09:02   somebody was saying in the chatroom you [TS]

01:09:04   gotta admit it's really pandering to [TS]

01:09:06   high school students like yeah it's true [TS]

01:09:08   it's true but that is one of those [TS]

01:09:10   things were stylistically it's like oh [TS]

01:09:12   yeah this is like I i actually am [TS]

01:09:13   enjoying reading this story what was [TS]

01:09:15   happening in here something signed it [TS]

01:09:18   very much it was a it was 12th grade my [TS]

01:09:20   senior year when we gotta sign that one [TS]

01:09:22   and it is sort of be no playing to my [TS]

01:09:24   disaffected use we're like we're in a [TS]

01:09:27   bunch of his short stories then to so [TS]

01:09:29   about the glass family stuff and I like [TS]

01:09:31   that stuff to get some that sounds yeah [TS]

01:09:34   I'm okay with I like that much better [TS]

01:09:36   than rai I I reacted badly to that one [TS]

01:09:40   it's not a reuben if it doesn't come on [TS]

01:09:41   ride David that's right i like you could [TS]

01:09:44   not let sandwich is our topic tonight [TS]

01:09:47   what else what else are sorry to [TS]

01:09:49   interrupt i just wanted to put in my [TS]

01:09:50   word for catching there either [TS]

01:09:51   no that's quite right my very very [TS]

01:09:53   favorite I didn't put down all of the [TS]

01:09:54   Shakespeare rewrite because we're ready [TS]

01:09:56   tone of Shakespeare and i genuinely [TS]

01:09:57   liked it all but the one that I adored [TS]

01:10:00   the most was in 11th grade we read [TS]

01:10:01   Hamlet and my teacher really really [TS]

01:10:04   loved Hamlet and just he managed to [TS]

01:10:06   convey that love to me and we watched I [TS]

01:10:09   think three different versions of it [TS]

01:10:10   bits and pieces that I could see kevin [TS]

01:10:12   kline as Hamlet which was really cool [TS]

01:10:15   we watched some of the mel gibson [TS]

01:10:17   version which i still hate and put my [TS]

01:10:21   favorite which is still to this day my [TS]

01:10:23   favorite was the BBC added the BBC [TS]

01:10:25   version starring derek jacobi that's [TS]

01:10:27   have wonderful yeah this date my [TS]

01:10:30   favorite i mean i remember in college at [TS]

01:10:32   one point I took it out from the library [TS]

01:10:33   and it's like it's like five hours long [TS]

01:10:35   and my roommate was like are you insane [TS]

01:10:37   and it was like that yes I am [TS]

01:10:39   uh-huh one one of the things i always [TS]

01:10:41   loved about the the kenneth branagh [TS]

01:10:43   hamlet is that he cast derek jacobi has [TS]

01:10:45   Claudia's yes and and when you watch the [TS]

01:10:49   movie they look so similar and when they [TS]

01:10:52   finally do a statue of Hamlet's father [TS]

01:10:54   he looks nothing like kenneth branagh [TS]

01:10:56   and it's it's just this very subtle [TS]

01:10:58   threat of maybe [TS]

01:10:59   Richard and Claudia's retaining the [TS]

01:11:01   whole time which is a really neat spin [TS]

01:11:04   the throw on that story [TS]

01:11:05   oh so you know I when that movie came [TS]

01:11:07   out I was super excited because i [TS]

01:11:09   already had an audio version of Hamlet [TS]

01:11:12   with kenneth branagh as Hamlet yes Derek [TS]

01:11:15   Jacobi as Claudius and I thought he's [TS]

01:11:16   Claudius was better in the audio version [TS]

01:11:18   than it was in the film so I was a [TS]

01:11:20   little disappointed by that film it so [TS]

01:11:23   everybody what are your feelings about [TS]

01:11:24   the david tennant patrick stewart BBC [TS]

01:11:27   you know what I still have not I still [TS]

01:11:29   not seeing you all know it [TS]

01:11:31   there's a part of me that just I'm [TS]

01:11:33   scared because I love him so much and I [TS]

01:11:36   will handle it's good so much but good [TS]

01:11:39   and their security cameras which is neat [TS]

01:11:41   there's nothing to be scared of yeah no [TS]

01:11:43   it's ok it's good i'll put my boy you [TS]

01:11:45   should watch that sometime [TS]

01:11:46   one of my friends was on a sabbatical in [TS]

01:11:48   the UK actually when that when that was [TS]

01:11:50   going if you got to go see alive and I [TS]

01:11:51   think there's also still a little bit of [TS]

01:11:53   me that's better than I didn't get to [TS]

01:11:54   come and see it life is a husband of a [TS]

01:11:57   friend did the light log pad did the [TS]

01:11:59   lighting for it so she had to meet take [TS]

01:12:02   attendance it's uh huh [TS]

01:12:04   since since you mentioned I Hamlet I'm [TS]

01:12:08   gonna I'm gonna throw out there yet you [TS]

01:12:11   have more i'm assuming i do so i did [TS]

01:12:13   that was on the positive stuff okay i [TS]

01:12:15   want to bookmark this just for just for [TS]

01:12:17   a second before we come back to that i [TS]

01:12:18   want to i want to say Shakespeare is [TS]

01:12:20   interesting I I thought about talking [TS]

01:12:22   about Shakespeare at various points here [TS]

01:12:24   what I would say is I think it's really [TS]

01:12:26   hard to teach Shakespeare because if you [TS]

01:12:28   assign it as a reading [TS]

01:12:30   I think it doesn't work I think you need [TS]

01:12:32   to say it out loud you need to watch [TS]

01:12:34   stagings or movies and you need to read [TS]

01:12:38   it out loud and my all of my positive [TS]

01:12:41   Shakespeare experiences in high school [TS]

01:12:42   came from reading it out loud and all my [TS]

01:12:45   negative Shakespeare experiences came [TS]

01:12:47   from reading it silently in a book and [TS]

01:12:51   so I i'd say i put Shakespeare in the [TS]

01:12:54   good bad category it's like it's really [TS]

01:12:56   great but you gotta read it out loud [TS]

01:12:57   because a it does not you know II you [TS]

01:13:02   can read after you've experienced that [TS]

01:13:03   way you can read on the page and your [TS]

01:13:05   reenacting and you can hear it but just [TS]

01:13:07   starting with the reading it doesn't [TS]

01:13:09   work [TS]

01:13:09   okay Erica back in the day we're going [TS]

01:13:12   negative [TS]

01:13:13   out laying out there lately i'm on me [TS]

01:13:15   and got it i did have three that i [TS]

01:13:17   remembered that just sort of fell from [TS]

01:13:19   Lee into the math camp like I couldn't [TS]

01:13:21   put him in positive they want to put [TS]

01:13:22   them in negative in those three are at [TS]

01:13:24   the old man and the sea of mice and men [TS]

01:13:26   and Huckleberry Finn [TS]

01:13:27   yeah I didn't have a particularly strong [TS]

01:13:29   feelings about any of them but I got [TS]

01:13:32   through them without too much trouble [TS]

01:13:34   himself [TS]

01:13:35   I for me or I would tip of mice and men [TS]

01:13:37   shit like almost to liking but it would [TS]

01:13:42   be in the no category for me because I'd [TS]

01:13:44   o.o why did why is everything so [TS]

01:13:48   depressing [TS]

01:13:49   why can't we we give us some joyful book [TS]

01:13:51   sometimes ya out and then just have to [TS]

01:13:55   finish off with the true negative the [TS]

01:13:57   the last couple depressing ones i have I [TS]

01:13:59   despise the scarlet letter [TS]

01:14:02   I wasn't exactly yeah as a teenager I [TS]

01:14:05   wasn't quite waving my feminist flag as [TS]

01:14:06   high as i do these days but it still [TS]

01:14:09   just it it made me so uncomfortable [TS]

01:14:11   reading that it's going to it it's early [TS]

01:14:14   American that's some of that early [TS]

01:14:16   American literature not it's not good [TS]

01:14:18   it is painful I think it is elevated [TS]

01:14:20   because it is early American literature [TS]

01:14:22   and that they don't have other examples [TS]

01:14:25   from the period so they elevate it and [TS]

01:14:27   it's not actually very good [TS]

01:14:29   yeah 10th grade was American literature [TS]

01:14:32   and i doubt hated that yeah that's right [TS]

01:14:33   older you have a native american [TS]

01:14:36   literature what are you gonna do it's [TS]

01:14:37   like well ask a letter S yeah I hated [TS]

01:14:41   the scarlet letter [TS]

01:14:42   the only reason I ever revisited it was [TS]

01:14:45   when I thought you know I'll do a thesis [TS]

01:14:48   one of these days and my thesis would [TS]

01:14:50   have been and I've never written it and [TS]

01:14:52   you can someone can go take it and run [TS]

01:14:54   with it [TS]

01:14:55   the scarlet letter and then John Updike [TS]

01:14:57   wrote three books that not just parallel [TS]

01:15:01   the characters the three characters in [TS]

01:15:02   The Scarlet Letter but both author and [TS]

01:15:05   up like parallel purgatory paradise and [TS]

01:15:09   the inferno in dante's divine comedy and [TS]

01:15:12   and this would be a great thesis and I'd [TS]

01:15:14   much rather right radio place because [TS]

01:15:16   they're fun [TS]

01:15:17   the scarlet letter I [TS]

01:15:19   sparknotes at number two by the way I [TS]

01:15:21   sparknotes at number two [TS]

01:15:23   can't say I'm surprised oh yeah and [TS]

01:15:24   actually aunt Andy talking about Jack [TS]

01:15:27   London reminded me of to build a fire [TS]

01:15:29   that story which I did not like that at [TS]

01:15:32   all [TS]

01:15:32   there's a lot of spit a lot of frozen [TS]

01:15:35   fit in that story but I'm not leaving [TS]

01:15:36   anything i remember it was doing Heather [TS]

01:15:38   a bitter i wanted to book end things [TS]

01:15:45   with the yet another book from fifth [TS]

01:15:47   grade [TS]

01:15:47   that's how i would like to and as I [TS]

01:15:49   started with another fifth grade book [TS]

01:15:51   about a dog who dies and that was [TS]

01:15:53   founder don't know if anybody else had [TS]

01:15:55   to read sounder it was it another sort [TS]

01:15:59   of a story about a boy who is not in [TS]

01:16:02   great circumstances his father had been [TS]

01:16:04   arrested or something and the dog loses [TS]

01:16:06   an ear and then but he comes back and [TS]

01:16:08   he's not actually dead and the dog gets [TS]

01:16:10   out of jail and it anyway at the end of [TS]

01:16:12   it the daddy and the dog both die and [TS]

01:16:14   it's just us who call the dealer [TS]

01:16:17   yes I wanted to UM I you mentioned mice [TS]

01:16:21   and men Steinbeck I I think of mice and [TS]

01:16:24   men is fine [TS]

01:16:26   I i think once it's it's a lovely book [TS]

01:16:30   until you get to the part that explains [TS]

01:16:32   the Looney Tunes running joke about tell [TS]

01:16:34   me about the rabbits huge yeah well I [TS]

01:16:36   mean but you gotta have that right yeah [TS]

01:16:38   that part is still sort of lovely in its [TS]

01:16:40   own way I think yes it's just yes sadly [TS]

01:16:43   let me go grapes of wrath I don't like [TS]

01:16:45   but that's you didn't have to read the [TS]

01:16:47   house or business that's not a big fan [TS]

01:16:50   of can reread my missionary mention [TS]

01:16:55   huckleberry finn by mark twain I it [TS]

01:16:58   although honestly uh maybe appreciate [TS]

01:17:00   him more the stuff i've read as an adult [TS]

01:17:02   than the stuff that was assigned but [TS]

01:17:05   yeah because i think maybe i need to be [TS]

01:17:08   older to appreciate Mark Twain a little [TS]

01:17:09   bit more but I i enjoy mark mark twain I [TS]

01:17:13   think I think he does he's got some good [TS]

01:17:15   stuff [TS]

01:17:16   it was innocents abroad which which is [TS]

01:17:18   not fiction was gonna say that's the one [TS]

01:17:21   that hooked me in that and roughing it [TS]

01:17:23   and then I went back and went ok these [TS]

01:17:26   this is fun and I with all those choices [TS]

01:17:30   out of the way my my list has been [TS]

01:17:32   reduced to only two [TS]

01:17:33   mr. mention now so in eighth grade for [TS]

01:17:37   me being born in nineteen seventy eight [TS]

01:17:39   grade was the year nineteen eighty-four [TS]

01:17:41   we read 1984 by george orwell ever and I [TS]

01:17:46   ready to give him high school and I [TS]

01:17:48   think maybe even read The Giving college [TS]

01:17:49   and I you know what its it is dark and [TS]

01:17:52   depressing and all that but it's good [TS]

01:17:54   it's really good i I think Orwell is [TS]

01:17:55   great [TS]

01:17:57   I i also enjoyed brave new world by [TS]

01:17:59   aldous huxley but 1984 those were often [TS]

01:18:02   paired together 94 that is a that is [TS]

01:18:05   solid and I i do get a kick out of the [TS]

01:18:07   fact that we read it in 1984 because you [TS]

01:18:09   know what are you going to my teacher [TS]

01:18:10   was like okay I have to do this this has [TS]

01:18:12   to happen now even though we were eight [TS]

01:18:14   graders and probably a little bit too [TS]

01:18:15   young for it and the other 1i want to [TS]

01:18:16   mention talk about things that that kind [TS]

01:18:19   of guy I'm shocked that i liked it so [TS]

01:18:22   much but i really did is candied my [TS]

01:18:26   whole tear [TS]

01:18:27   uh-huh best of all possible worlds it is [TS]

01:18:30   weird [TS]

01:18:31   it is weird is a supreme your book you [TS]

01:18:35   know what it's fixed it's extremely [TS]

01:18:37   enjoyable i will I liked it a whole lot [TS]

01:18:39   so I'm going to throw that in merrick [TS]

01:18:41   since I threw a Madame Bovary under the [TS]

01:18:43   bus good you deserve it and operate stay [TS]

01:18:45   under that bus back the bus up a couple [TS]

01:18:48   of times and never read any of those but [TS]

01:18:50   but can be here to Kandi's a a lot of [TS]

01:18:54   fun actually and and it and is it is [TS]

01:18:56   bizarre and I think I think I [TS]

01:18:58   appreciated that when i read it and in [TS]

01:19:00   high school to is like what is the what [TS]

01:19:02   is happening this is a crazy book but [TS]

01:19:05   it's a it sarcastic and and satirical [TS]

01:19:07   and weird and i love it i read that one [TS]

01:19:10   for kicks [TS]

01:19:11   because somewhere I can I couldn't tell [TS]

01:19:13   you when it was in the eighties and live [TS]

01:19:17   from Lincoln Center and PBS did a [TS]

01:19:20   telecast of the the Leonard Bernstein's [TS]

01:19:23   musical version of candied with andrea [TS]

01:19:27   martin from CTV and in one of the roles [TS]

01:19:29   and it was wonderful it was a lovely was [TS]

01:19:31   very funny and and the more I read about [TS]

01:19:34   this show is a really weird show that [TS]

01:19:37   you apparently bernstein was obsessed [TS]

01:19:39   with doing it and they kept revising it [TS]

01:19:41   revising it over decades and decades and [TS]

01:19:43   decades and it's still nobody is [TS]

01:19:44   satisfied without [TS]

01:19:45   your dad and son time worked on it for a [TS]

01:19:47   while and lillian hellman have all these [TS]

01:19:49   people and it still doesn't quite work [TS]

01:19:51   but it's so much fun ball and and [TS]

01:19:53   because of that show I i said i want to [TS]

01:19:55   read the book I just I want to know what [TS]

01:19:57   it was supposed to be and what did they [TS]

01:19:59   leave and what did they change and how [TS]

01:20:00   did they turn it into a musical are [TS]

01:20:02   actual French person the chat room by [TS]

01:20:04   the way who confirmed the madame [TS]

01:20:05   bovary's bad confirms the candy is good [TS]

01:20:07   so even if your friends and your deal [TS]

01:20:09   and Jason but that's gonna hate all [TS]

01:20:11   credit to the translator where do we [TS]

01:20:13   stand on the little prince [TS]

01:20:15   I i think i think that i think that with [TS]

01:20:17   this one Frenchman we're doing the [TS]

01:20:18   homeopathic version of 50 million [TS]

01:20:20   Frenchmen can't be wrong [TS]

01:20:21   yeah so for reproducing the rightness or [TS]

01:20:24   Frenchmen by man firing at ten million [TS]

01:20:26   times by reducing its potency I'm really [TS]

01:20:28   I'm really looking more for the the d no [TS]

01:20:32   no you you just don't understand that [TS]

01:20:34   Madame Bovary is a classic in French but [TS]

01:20:37   you did we really can't translate that I [TS]

01:20:39   was waiting for something like that and [TS]

01:20:40   it was like nope it's bad [TS]

01:20:42   all right you know you could've known as [TS]

01:20:44   much as me and it's not just the [TS]

01:20:46   translation it's just bad i appreciate [TS]

01:20:48   it i have a little while now is a gas [TS]

01:20:51   that I haven't read the little prince in [TS]

01:20:52   French yeah me reading in French would [TS]

01:20:54   be especially good since I do stand [TS]

01:20:56   wherever maybe I'd like it better if i [TS]

01:20:59   read in french because i also don't you [TS]

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01:21:09   a lot of our things that we hated off [TS]

01:21:12   our chests and we mentioned a bunch of [TS]

01:21:13   things that we liked I think that's a [TS]

01:21:15   good combination [TS]

01:21:16   I think there was some bonding over [TS]

01:21:17   shared shared pain we also got to tell [TS]

01:21:21   some particularly horrific stories from [TS]

01:21:22   time to time about things like a circus [TS]

01:21:26   therapy but I it's been a fun it's been [TS]

01:21:29   a fun little adventure into the world of [TS]

01:21:30   books that we were forced to read [TS]

01:21:32   against our will [TS]

01:21:33   so I'd like to thank my guests for [TS]

01:21:35   joining me on this little adventure [TS]

01:21:36   david lure thank you for doing the [TS]

01:21:39   reading of course I and now are all [TS]

01:21:42   these going to be on the test tomorrow [TS]

01:21:43   is ok they even Erica and sign your next [TS]

01:21:49   assignment is to read the odd chapters [TS]

01:21:53   do I get extra credit if I read the even [TS]

01:21:55   chapters as well uh let's say yes i am [TS]

01:21:59   an overachiever [TS]

01:22:00   okay good good and andy and Aiko your [TS]

01:22:04   next assignment will be on the on the [TS]

01:22:06   chalkboard XO kale but my mom promised [TS]

01:22:10   to take me to blockbuster to rent the [TS]

01:22:11   movie or whatever that's going to be all [TS]

01:22:14   just just move it just she move it or or [TS]

01:22:17   mr. Snell you could read the book [TS]

01:22:18   yourself i know you're always just [TS]

01:22:21   putting the VHS yourself [TS]

01:22:23   hi I'm Cheyenne and made sparknotes [TS]

01:22:25   schmooper what I focus on [TS]

01:22:29   Antonio just three slogan chest this [TS]

01:22:32   movement [TS]

01:22:33   I'm sure that your money on that suit [TS]

01:22:37   and I thank you everybody out there for [TS]

01:22:41   listening to this edition of the [TS]

01:22:43   uncomfortable we will see you next time [TS]

01:22:45   don't forget to do the reading [TS]