ATP

00:00:00 ◼   ► So with that in mind, I think we're going to issue iskew no let

00:00:04 ◼   ► me reboot that because I realized I don't know how to pronounce that properly.

00:00:07 ◼   ► Oh you got it right the first time.

00:00:10 ◼   ► No, you had it.

00:00:11 ◼   ► Nope.

00:00:11 ◼   ► We're gonna try it again and few because I just need to do that.

00:00:14 ◼   ► So Marco You can just pick a different word too.

00:00:16 ◼   ► No, that no, we're gonna reboot it, but I need to swear so east

00:00:19 ◼   ► chew follow up.

00:00:20 ◼   ► Yes, chew.

00:00:21 ◼   ► Uh I needed to swear so Marco wouldn't use it.

00:00:23 ◼   ► All right.

00:00:24 ◼   ► Then then that's not a challenge.

00:00:25 ◼   ► Not a challenge.

00:00:26 ◼   ► Oh yeah.

00:00:26 ◼   ► Not a challenge.

00:00:29 ◼   ► Curse.

00:00:29 ◼   ► Yeah, that's true.

00:00:32 ◼   ► Not a challenge.

00:00:33 ◼   ► All right, let me reboot that whole damn thing.

00:00:35 ◼   ► Hello and goodbye, future marker.

00:00:36 ◼   ► I'm totally using that.

00:00:39 ◼   ► Alright, with that in mind, we we are going to issue follow up for

00:00:43 ◼   ► this episode.

00:00:44 ◼   ► Uh we will keep it askew if you will.

00:00:46 ◼   ► Ha ha.

00:00:47 ◼   ► Uh, but we're gonna go straight into the not event event and we're gonna

00:00:50 ◼   ► talk about Apple's new home products.

00:00:52 ◼   ► And uh we're gonna start with Homeview, which is a name that doesn't offend

00:00:58 ◼   ► me but doesn't really rev my engine either.

00:00:59 ◼   ► What do we think about the name?

00:01:01 ◼   ► Uh it was like home home pod with uh with screen is what we've

00:01:04 ◼   ► been calling it for years, right?

00:01:05 ◼   ► Because that the rumors from years and years ago, it's like a home pod,

00:01:09 ◼   ► but it has a screen and you know, that's this distinguishing characteristic.

00:01:12 ◼   ► As the date approached to like when you know this was supposedly gonna be

00:01:16 ◼   ► announced, I started to see more people saying home pad.

00:01:20 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

00:01:21 ◼   ► Which makes some amount of sense.

00:01:23 ◼   ► But if you're like, they would never call it HomePad because they already have

00:01:27 ◼   ► HomePod and who would make two products with such confusingly similar names?

00:01:31 ◼   ► Well, if you're new to Apple, they used to have a product call the

00:01:35 ◼   ► iPod.

00:01:36 ◼   ► And then at some point in the future they were gonna make a tablet.

00:01:39 ◼   ► And everyone's like, what are they gonna call the tablet?

00:01:41 ◼   ► The iSlate?

00:01:43 ◼   ► Certainly they're not gonna call it iPad.

00:01:45 ◼   ► Uh they called it iPad.

00:01:47 ◼   ► So they made the iPod and they made the iPad.

00:01:50 ◼   ► They made the home pod.

00:01:51 ◼   ► They did not make the home pad.

00:01:53 ◼   ► Uh they called it home view, which you know it's got a screen, so

00:01:57 ◼   ► you view it.

00:01:58 ◼   ► Makes sense.

00:01:59 ◼   ► Uh Apple's really not uh, you know, if you think you know what Apple's

00:02:03 ◼   ► gonna do with names, they usually zig when you think they're gonna zag.

00:02:07 ◼   ► I think HomeView is better than HomePad, but it's not a great name.

00:02:11 ◼   ► I think the one of the challenges with HomeView is that it doesn't have

00:02:17 ◼   ► any unique or interesting words.

00:02:20 ◼   ► Like Apple's product strategy for product naming strategy for a long time has been

00:02:25 ◼   ► just putting Apple in front of a generic word.

00:02:27 ◼   ► Apple TV.

00:02:28 ◼   ► Apple Watch.

00:02:29 ◼   ► Apple music.

00:02:30 ◼   ► Right.

00:02:30 ◼   ► Apple Music.

00:02:31 ◼   ► You know, Apple was the brand but these were all like pretty boringly named.

00:02:35 ◼   ► And they for a little while could have like a little bit more of

00:02:40 ◼   ► like a trademark unique name.

00:02:42 ◼   ► iPhone.

00:02:43 ◼   ► You know, like b I mean, obviously back when everything was i something, like

00:02:45 ◼   ► y those all kind of had those.

00:02:46 ◼   ► You know, iPod and that led to HomePod.

00:02:49 ◼   ► We still like still using pod as like the you know, the unique Apple

00:02:52 ◼   ► version of this.

00:02:53 ◼   ► It's like generic word, but pod.

00:02:55 ◼   ► So you know that helped.

00:02:56 ◼   ► iPad, you know, again, like the pad was kind of and the i mean,

00:02:59 ◼   ► both of those.

00:02:59 ◼   ► But I feel like HomeView, it's like no part of this name is interesting

00:03:04 ◼   ► or unique to Apple.

00:03:05 ◼   ► It's just like when you're filing a trademark, uh forgive me, I'm not a

00:03:10 ◼   ► trademark lawyer, but I filed a bunch of them and so I know that

00:03:12 ◼   ► the gist of it basically is like if it's too too if you're if

00:03:15 ◼   ► what you're filing is too descriptive and not like unique enough, if it just

00:03:21 ◼   ► describes what the product is, you generally can't get a strong trademark on it

00:03:26 ◼   ► or even maybe maybe any trademark on it.

00:03:27 ◼   ► Um and I feel like home view is like it's Almost that boring.

00:03:31 ◼   ► Like it's not quite to that to that level.

00:03:33 ◼   ► Like I'm sure they got I'm sure they secured the trademark, but it's just

00:03:37 ◼   ► describing with two boring words glued together what this is.

00:03:42 ◼   ► Like, okay, it's fine.

00:03:44 ◼   ► I I do wish there was a little bit more personality in the name,

00:03:48 ◼   ► but what the hell?

00:03:49 ◼   ► It's it's not a bad name.

00:03:51 ◼   ► It's a name that we, even as tet as Apple nerds, are going to

00:03:56 ◼   ► almost immediately have trouble remembering and civilians aren't gonna stand a chance.

00:04:01 ◼   ► Ask anyone who's not an Apple nerd what this product is called in six

00:04:04 ◼   ► months.

00:04:05 ◼   ► Nobody will know, I guarantee it.

00:04:06 ◼   ► That's the interesting thing about Home Pod, because like Pod exists because of the

00:04:11 ◼   ► iPod and the iPod was very popular at the time and people latched onto

00:04:15 ◼   ► it pretty well.

00:04:16 ◼   ► And I feel like the only reason HomePod makes any kind of sense with

00:04:20 ◼   ► consumers is because the iPod existed and they're like, Yeah, whatever, Apple makes pods.

00:04:25 ◼   ► And you know, I I wonder how many people call the home pod an

00:04:28 ◼   ► iPod just because, you know, pod is in the name.

00:04:30 ◼   ► But practically speaking, what is pod about the home pod?

00:04:35 ◼   ► It is is it pod shaped?

00:04:37 ◼   ► I mean, like a lot of things Apple makes are arguably pod shaped.

00:04:41 ◼   ► What is a pod shape?

00:04:42 ◼   ► And it's a home pod?

00:04:44 ◼   ► I mean it doesn't even have anything having to do with sound in there.

00:04:46 ◼   ► Like it is a big speaker, but there's to do with audio sound.

00:04:50 ◼   ► Like nothing in that vein is in there.

00:04:52 ◼   ► It's like they said, we made the iPod, people know we made the iPod.

00:04:55 ◼   ► It was really popular.

00:04:56 ◼   ► Stick home in front of that.

00:04:57 ◼   ► We're done.

00:04:57 ◼   ► At least this one says view and home.

00:05:00 ◼   ► So it's like a thing for your home and you look at it, which

00:05:03 ◼   ► okay.

00:05:04 ◼   ► But I I do think it actually makes more sense than home pod, but

00:05:07 ◼   ► it is a worse name for the reasons you just said, Marco, is like

00:05:10 ◼   ► home is not a thing that Apple owns in any particular way.

00:05:12 ◼   ► And View is definitely not a thing that Apple owns.

00:05:14 ◼   ► So when you stick them together, it doesn't really say Apple.

00:05:17 ◼   ► But like all these names, like I hated MacBook and still don't really particularly

00:05:20 ◼   ► like it.

00:05:21 ◼   ► But eventually you just get used to it.

00:05:22 ◼   ► Even iPad was uh ridiculed when it first came out because people were so

00:05:25 ◼   ► attached with slate and all their other rumors that were going around that that

00:05:28 ◼   ► when they called it pad everyone's like ug but you just get used to

00:05:31 ◼   ► it.

00:05:31 ◼   ► You do, but like I I do kind of I hope that Apple starts

00:05:35 ◼   ► adding more terms that it kind of say Apple.

00:05:38 ◼   ► Like they kind of I think Neo and Duo are small steps in that

00:05:43 ◼   ► direction.

00:05:43 ◼   ► Not like you know, they're not super strong 'cause they're not super unique.

00:05:47 ◼   ► Neo, I think better than Duo.

00:05:49 ◼   ► Well I mean duo is is it's got two screens, so it makes perfect

00:05:52 ◼   ► sense.

00:05:52 ◼   ► And Neo, I cause it's new?

00:05:54 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:05:55 ◼   ► Yeah, I I think again, I think Neo is a better step in that

00:05:57 ◼   ► direction.

00:05:58 ◼   ► Duo is a step in that direction.

00:06:00 ◼   ► So maybe this is just like a boring name product That we know hopeful

00:06:03 ◼   ► hopefully this is the anomaly.

00:06:04 ◼   ► But hopefully new products get like a little more interesting names.

00:06:09 ◼   ► Either way, um we should talk about what the heck this is.

00:06:12 ◼   ► So this is a $300, which I'm gonna come back to that in a

00:06:16 ◼   ► second.

00:06:16 ◼   ► A $300 A three hundred dollar thing that vaguely looks like the w how

00:06:21 ◼   ► would you describe that I Mac John?

00:06:23 ◼   ► The one that ha that was on like a cantilever.

00:06:25 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, the the I Mac G four and all the rumors, all the

00:06:27 ◼   ► rumored uh this product's been rumored for so long.

00:06:30 ◼   ► Supposedly the hardware has been done for so long.

00:06:32 ◼   ► Um, but it didn't actually this hardware didn't actually leak like picture wise.

00:06:36 ◼   ► It everyone knew, oh, it's a square screen, it's got a dome on top,

00:06:39 ◼   ► like it looks like the the iMac G four when you say I Mac

00:06:41 ◼   ► I Mac G four, people don't know what the hell was the G four

00:06:43 ◼   ► it's the one with the arm and the flat screen was on an adjustable

00:06:47 ◼   ► arm and the base of it was a hemisphere, right?

00:06:50 ◼   ► And it sat on the desk.

00:06:51 ◼   ► And so every single like fake rendering based on text rumor descriptions, they're like,

00:06:56 ◼   ► okay I can draw a square screen, I bet it's gonna have rounded corners.

00:06:59 ◼   ► I'm gonna put it on a little arm and I'm gonna put it on

00:07:02 ◼   ► a hemispherical base.

00:07:04 ◼   ► Because you know, all the rumors were like, oh, it's kinda like that that

00:07:07 ◼   ► flat screen iMac that had the thing on the arm.

00:07:09 ◼   ► Uh every drawing I saw of this, every rendering, every everything looked like that.

00:07:13 ◼   ► That's not what the product looks like.

00:07:16 ◼   ► The product looks like that sitting on top of a cylinder.

00:07:20 ◼   ► Yeah, and I would almost say, and and I say this, I say this

00:07:23 ◼   ► not as an insult.

00:07:25 ◼   ► It looks like what an AI rendering of an imagined Apple product would look

00:07:29 ◼   ► like.

00:07:30 ◼   ► Like in the sense that like it just looks kind of like modern Apple

00:07:34 ◼   ► kind of low priority product, you know?

00:07:38 ◼   ► And I think it looks decent.

00:07:39 ◼   ► Like I s you know from at least from from the pictures and from

00:07:41 ◼   ► the couple of reviews that I saw, like couple of video reviews I saw,

00:07:43 ◼   ► or you know, video captures from the the hands-on stuff.

00:07:46 ◼   ► It looks decent.

00:07:47 ◼   ► It looks nice.

00:07:48 ◼   ► And I think it's what it needs to look like because as we'll get

00:07:51 ◼   ► to in a second, like there's two versions.

00:07:53 ◼   ► There's one with the base and there's one that just wall mounts.

00:07:56 ◼   ► And again this is this has all been rumored for a while, so we're

00:07:58 ◼   ► kind of not too surprised.

00:08:00 ◼   ► Um but I you know the wall mount one, you want that to be

00:08:05 ◼   ► as minimal as possible and I think it is.

00:08:07 ◼   ► And the base seems like it's, you know, to put on your counter or

00:08:11 ◼   ► whatever.

00:08:12 ◼   ► And it looks good for that.

00:08:13 ◼   ► It looks like it's gonna be, you know, it's proportionally, it looks like it's

00:08:16 ◼   ► gonna be stable and nice and heavy with that big base woofer on the

00:08:18 ◼   ► bottom.

00:08:19 ◼   ► Um, I think it's gonna look nice and normal on a countertop or on

00:08:23 ◼   ► a side table or something.

00:08:25 ◼   ► So I I think it is a successful design, if not a little unsurprising,

00:08:30 ◼   ► but it's only unsurprising because we expect Apple products to look good and made

00:08:36 ◼   ► out of silver, space gray, pink, and beige aluminum and have holes in them

00:08:40 ◼   ► for sound to come out of.

00:08:41 ◼   ► And like that's exactly what it looks like.

00:08:43 ◼   ► Well here's the thing that surprised me.

00:08:45 ◼   ► Maybe it's because I s seen so many of those images for so long.

00:08:48 ◼   ► I was really, really surprised at how tall and uh skinny the base was.

00:08:52 ◼   ► The fact that it wasn't a hemisphere, the fact that it is essentially an

00:08:55 ◼   ► R2D2 or a top of a rounded trash can, it is a cylinder with

00:08:58 ◼   ► a hemisphere stuck on it.

00:09:00 ◼   ► And it is way taller than I thought it would be.

00:09:02 ◼   ► Now looking at the product, I'm like, okay, it doesn't actually have an like

00:09:06 ◼   ► an arm, adjustable arm like the the the flat panel IMAC did.

00:09:10 ◼   ► It instead has a basically a solid piece of metal that hinges up and

00:09:15 ◼   ► down in one dimension, as far as I can tell.

00:09:18 ◼   ► So it's not an arm, because the arm had like uh the arm had

00:09:20 ◼   ► like joints on both ends and you could, you know, move around.

00:09:23 ◼   ► This is not that.

00:09:23 ◼   ► And remember, there's rumors surrounding this product as well about a version of this

00:09:27 ◼   ► with a robotic arm or that rotates by itself to face people and so

00:09:30 ◼   ► on and so forth.

00:09:31 ◼   ► That's not this product, but you can see how a product like that could

00:09:35 ◼   ► be made from these pieces, differently assembled with a different kind of arm and

00:09:39 ◼   ► so on and so forth.

00:09:40 ◼   ► Um the base is tall, like again, when I look at the product, like,

00:09:43 ◼   ► okay, I see why it's tall now.

00:09:44 ◼   ► Because when you look at it from the front, you don't want the square

00:09:46 ◼   ► screen to be like touching the table.

00:09:48 ◼   ► You want it to be elevated a little bit.

00:09:50 ◼   ► Um, so you have the the stand has to be taller, you know otherwise

00:09:55 ◼   ► you like to try to slowly increase the height of a hemisphere, you end

00:09:58 ◼   ► up having to increase the base by a lot.

00:10:00 ◼   ► Uh there's probably some ratio for those two things that you could figure out.

00:10:03 ◼   ► Anyway, um so it ends it's so it's an R2D2 head.

00:10:07 ◼   ► It's a half of R2 D2 with the screen sticking out of it.

00:10:10 ◼   ► And it looks a little bit more ungainly from the back and the sides

00:10:12 ◼   ► than all the the renderings did.

00:10:14 ◼   ► And the arm is less an arm and more of just like this is

00:10:17 ◼   ► how the thing attaches.

00:10:18 ◼   ► But uh in the end, like you said, Marco, it does look like an

00:10:20 ◼   ► Apple product.

00:10:21 ◼   ► And the rumors about this one are wild.

00:10:23 ◼   ► I can't wait until people start getting these things because like the rumor is

00:10:26 ◼   ► that this thing was done so long ago.

00:10:28 ◼   ► Uh and let's rewind slightly to the first thing Casey said.

00:10:32 ◼   ► $300.

00:10:33 ◼   ► I have to admit, that is way less than I thought this thing would

00:10:36 ◼   ► cost.

00:10:36 ◼   ► And we'll not agree more.

00:10:37 ◼   ► Could not agree.

00:10:38 ◼   ► We'll get to pricing stuff in a little bit.

00:10:39 ◼   ► But I look at it and I'm like, is this $300 because they built

00:10:43 ◼   ► them all in 2024?

00:10:46 ◼   ► When things were cheap, you know what I mean?

00:10:47 ◼   ► When RAM was cheap, when the like when every aspect of this was cheaper

00:10:50 ◼   ► is that why it's $300?

00:10:52 ◼   ► Because they built literally like millions of them and they're sitting in a warehouse

00:10:56 ◼   ► waiting for, you know, uh iOS 27.2 to finally be out?

00:11:00 ◼   ► I don't know, but why?

00:11:01 ◼   ► This is like the bargain of the century if you consider that this thing

00:11:05 ◼   ► includes a screen and has well we'll get to the the specs in a

00:11:08 ◼   ► second, but like it's got a lot of metal, it's got a lot of

00:11:11 ◼   ► pieces.

00:11:11 ◼   ► It does like it's just mind-bogglingly inexpensive.

00:11:15 ◼   ► I haven't heard anyone complain about the price of this thing.

00:11:17 ◼   ► Well I I think one thing that helps the price angle a lot is

00:11:20 ◼   ► like what is expensive right now.

00:11:23 ◼   ► It's not metal and speakers, it's not even screens.

00:11:26 ◼   ► What's expensive right now is high end chips.

00:11:29 ◼   ► And this doesn't really appear to have any of those in it.

00:11:32 ◼   ► It's five nanometer, right?

00:11:34 ◼   ► Like uh maybe.

00:11:34 ◼   ► But like it's i isn't it just an A eighteen?

00:11:36 ◼   ► Like it it seems like it is like it like yeah, there's not much

00:11:39 ◼   ► in there, presumably there's not a huge amount of storage, presumably there's this this

00:11:42 ◼   ► the stock amount of RAM the A eighteen comes with, which I didn't look

00:11:45 ◼   ► up.

00:11:45 ◼   ► Um right.

00:11:46 ◼   ► But like still just Apple doesn't sell you anything made of anything for $300.

00:11:51 ◼   ► Like let alone something something with this when has Apple sold you something with

00:11:54 ◼   ► a screen for $300?

00:11:55 ◼   ► Like it's hard to get Apple watches for that much.

00:11:57 ◼   ► And they have much wimpier SOCs.

00:12:00 ◼   ► Much everything about the Apple Watch is like the screen is smaller.

00:12:02 ◼   ► I mean I guess they're OLED, but the screen is smaller, the SoC is

00:12:05 ◼   ► smaller, the battery is smaller.

00:12:06 ◼   ► Granted, this has no battery.

00:12:07 ◼   ► There's just less there's literally less aluminum in the watch, less everything in the

00:12:11 ◼   ► watch.

00:12:11 ◼   ► $300.

00:12:11 ◼   ► Three hundred dollars.

00:12:12 ◼   ► I this is not a terrible deal, I'm gonna say.

00:12:15 ◼   ► Well but I I think also like they have they are entering into a

00:12:18 ◼   ► market that like, you know, obviously we're all gonna probably buy one because we're

00:12:23 ◼   ► Apple nerds and we're stupid with money.

00:12:24 ◼   ► But I think Oh, really?

00:12:26 ◼   ► Okay.

00:12:26 ◼   ► Casey's allergic to this product category.

00:12:28 ◼   ► Oh we'll get there, okay.

00:12:29 ◼   ► But I will but I will say like if you look at this product

00:12:31 ◼   ► category from other makers, namely you know, a Amazon probably is the most you

00:12:35 ◼   ► know, the biggest player in this category.

00:12:37 ◼   ► Yeah, Google has a thing too.

00:12:38 ◼   ► And and like I think this is more than both of those.

00:12:40 ◼   ► Um yeah, well they're they're like two seventy, right?

00:12:43 ◼   ► Or like two fifty.

00:12:44 ◼   ► So it's stillpark.

00:12:45 ◼   ► And of course the Apple one's gonna be more expensive.

00:12:46 ◼   ► But normally the Apple one is hilariously more expensive.

00:12:49 ◼   ► Not just like, oh it's thirty bucks more than the Amazon one.

00:12:51 ◼   ► Like thirty bucks more than the Amazon one is a price area that Apple

00:12:54 ◼   ► never touches.

00:12:55 ◼   ► Well, but I think like it like sometimes they do, um, just usually not,

00:12:59 ◼   ► and usually only their lowest end products.

00:13:01 ◼   ► So for instance, I think well before today, the home pod mini was actually

00:13:07 ◼   ► a pretty good deal for what it was.

00:13:08 ◼   ► It was a before today.

00:13:09 ◼   ► It was a hundred dollars, we'll get to that later.

00:13:11 ◼   ► But it was a hundred dollars and it was kind of like between like

00:13:15 ◼   ► the the cheap echo dots and the full size echoes in terms of sound

00:13:18 ◼   ► quality.

00:13:19 ◼   ► Um but it was also between them in price and and I think for

00:13:23 ◼   ► for its size especially and secondarily for its price, I think the Home Pod

00:13:27 ◼   ► Mini was a fantastic deal, uh, for what you get for a hundred bucks.

00:13:32 ◼   ► Although again, not anymore.

00:13:33 ◼   ► But um and then the full size home pod, Apple always struggled to move

00:13:38 ◼   ► those.

00:13:39 ◼   ► And I think a huge reason was the price.

00:13:41 ◼   ► That the full size home pod, you know, Apple thought they were competing with

00:13:44 ◼   ► Sonos and they priced it as such and they they kind of aren't competing

00:13:49 ◼   ► with Sonos.

00:13:50 ◼   ► Like the full size home pod I think was competing a little more with

00:13:52 ◼   ► just like higher end, you know, Amazon.

00:13:57 ◼   ► Yeah, which are usually like, you know, a hundred and eighty, two hundred bucks,

00:13:59 ◼   ► something like that.

00:13:59 ◼   ► You know, so so I think you know the the three hundred dollar full

00:14:02 ◼   ► size home pod, uh or three fifty at first, um, I think it just

00:14:06 ◼   ► it was always well well above that market.

00:14:09 ◼   ► So I think maybe Apple has learned from that a little bit.

00:14:12 ◼   ► And maybe they've learned like, hey, we really can't push this too high because

00:14:17 ◼   ► this is not like a must-have product for a lot of people, and all

00:14:21 ◼   ► the other options out there are gonna be cheaper than it.

00:14:24 ◼   ► So it can't be too excessive.

00:14:26 ◼   ► And I think if the way they do that is by basically offloading all

00:14:32 ◼   ► of the expensive operations to your expensive iPhone in your pocket, which just seems

00:14:36 ◼   ► like that's what they're doing, that's a good strategy for them.

00:14:39 ◼   ► Because then they can they can still sell this hardware at what is probably

00:14:42 ◼   ► pretty healthy margins uh and and still be within the realm of what people

00:14:47 ◼   ► might consider for their homes.

00:14:49 ◼   ► Yeah we need to move on from price.

00:14:50 ◼   ► But um with that said, I think the thing that's striking to me about

00:14:53 ◼   ► this is whenever I see a screen and I I and I I think

00:14:57 ◼   ► I conceptually understand that the screen is smaller than I think it is.

00:15:00 ◼   ► It looks to me to be like ten plus inches and it's not.

00:15:03 ◼   ► But I see a screen and I just assume, oh, that's especially with an

00:15:07 ◼   ► Apple screen, because generally speaking, Apple devices have really nice screens.

00:15:10 ◼   ► Oh yeah.

00:15:11 ◼   ► And and so I assume, oh, this is like a five hundred dollar plus

00:15:14 ◼   ► product.

00:15:14 ◼   ► And then I see the price of three hundred dollars.

00:15:16 ◼   ► And the two explanations that make the most sense sense to me genuinely is

00:15:20 ◼   ► that hey, this probably doesn't RAM.

00:15:23 ◼   ► And a lot of the things that are the actual costs these days because

00:15:26 ◼   ► yes, screens used to be the problem, but now arguably they're not.

00:15:30 ◼   ► And actually, John, I really think you're onto something.

00:15:32 ◼   ► I really think these these may have been manufactured I mean I still think

00:15:36 ◼   ► the screen is probably the most expensive component in this.

00:15:38 ◼   ► Maybe the case.

00:15:39 ◼   ► I don't like but it's it's a it's like a six inch by six

00:15:41 ◼   ► inch square screen, or at least the that's the how the outside of it.

00:15:43 ◼   ► What do they call it?

00:15:44 ◼   ► They have a diagonal measure.

00:15:45 ◼   ► Well you'll get to it when you read specs.

00:15:46 ◼   ► But um I'm trying to look up how much RAM the A18 had in

00:15:49 ◼   ► it.

00:15:49 ◼   ► But I'm sure it has the amount of RAM that the A18 eighteen had

00:15:51 ◼   ► when it was in a phone because I don't think they would you know

00:15:54 ◼   ► they're not gonna make a test on one of these for their for that

00:15:56 ◼   ► chip.

00:15:56 ◼   ► So anyway, in an in any case let's keep three nanometer.

00:16:00 ◼   ► The eight eighteen is three nanometer wow.

00:16:02 ◼   ► Oh is it really?

00:16:02 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:16:03 ◼   ► Uh so they released a couple of videos.

00:16:05 ◼   ► Um I'm gonna talk about there's a there's one that's the new Apple Home

00:16:09 ◼   ► View that's basically just a standard TV ad.

00:16:11 ◼   ► It's like 90 seconds or something like that.

00:16:13 ◼   ► That one was fine.

00:16:14 ◼   ► It's exactly what you expect.

00:16:15 ◼   ► They released a different one that I think was like three and a half

00:16:17 ◼   ► minutes, and it's called Welcome Apple Home View Designed for Life at Home.

00:16:22 ◼   ► I get the vibe that I might be standing alone on this.

00:16:26 ◼   ► I thought this was a great video.

00:16:28 ◼   ► I really enjoyed it.

00:16:29 ◼   ► I agree with you.

00:16:30 ◼   ► I could not believe how many people were slamming this.

00:16:32 ◼   ► Okay.

00:16:32 ◼   ► Because it tr it here's here's the pitch if you haven't seen it, which

00:16:35 ◼   ► you should watch in the show notes, it's short.

00:16:36 ◼   ► It's a family getting ready to leave in the morning.

00:16:39 ◼   ► It's like a brother and a sister and a mom and a dad in

00:16:41 ◼   ► the hectic morning of getting out of the way, and they're trying to show

00:16:43 ◼   ► the how the home view fits into these people's lives.

00:16:46 ◼   ► Um and it's very difficult to do this without embarrassing yourself.

00:16:51 ◼   ► Like it's difficult to make an ad of like, oh, busy family at home.

00:16:55 ◼   ► Like all right, it's it's an ad for the the product, like the the

00:16:57 ◼   ► home view.

00:16:58 ◼   ► Like you're supposed to see everyone in the family using the product and how

00:17:00 ◼   ► it fits into their life, but you're also supposed to show the family interacting

00:17:03 ◼   ► with each other in a realistic way.

00:17:05 ◼   ► That is a really high degree of difficulty because it's so easy to be

00:17:08 ◼   ► like embarrassingly corny or unrealistic or whatever.

00:17:12 ◼   ► And in the end, we all know there is artifice.

00:17:14 ◼   ► We're not, I don't think this is like no real family is like this.

00:17:17 ◼   ► Everyone is too well spoken.

00:17:19 ◼   ► The timings are too perfect.

00:17:20 ◼   ► It is clearly a script piece piece of narrative fiction.

00:17:23 ◼   ► But once you're willing to accept that, the goal of this is to show

00:17:28 ◼   ► how semi-realistic archetypes Of mom, dad, kid, and a brother and sister would use

00:17:34 ◼   ► this product to fit into their life.

00:17:36 ◼   ► And I thought they did not embarrass themselves with the script writing.

00:17:39 ◼   ► So whoever wrote this script, you did not embarrass yourself.

00:17:42 ◼   ► Now, did you write something amazing?

00:17:43 ◼   ► No.

00:17:43 ◼   ► Like it's not there's no groundbreaking stuff here.

00:17:47 ◼   ► It's not like oh it brought a tear to my eye, emotional.

00:17:50 ◼   ► It's the think different ad campaign inspiring the masses.

00:17:53 ◼   ► It's just a little tiny family skit to advertise a product.

00:17:57 ◼   ► But I was shocked by how little I was cringing while watching this.

00:18:01 ◼   ► And I've heard a lot of other people talk about this and say, only

00:18:04 ◼   ► parents understand this thing, like that it speaks to parents, but if you're not

00:18:09 ◼   ► a parent, it just seems like some dumb, corny family sitcom that you don't

00:18:12 ◼   ► want to watch because it's an infomercial for a product.

00:18:14 ◼   ► Like I get it.

00:18:15 ◼   ► And I'm not saying it was like a tear jerker or attaching to my

00:18:18 ◼   ► emotions because I'm parent and I ne didn't see this ad when I wasn't

00:18:21 ◼   ► a parent.

00:18:21 ◼   ► So I don't know.

00:18:22 ◼   ► But I think there is something to that because I have seen a lot

00:18:24 ◼   ► a lot of people looking at this and saying that it's just the most

00:18:27 ◼   ► embarrassing they've ever seen.

00:18:29 ◼   ► And I'm also with Casey.

00:18:30 ◼   ► I didn't think it was that embarrassing.

00:18:32 ◼   ► But it is supposed to tell you this is how the product fits into

00:18:35 ◼   ► your life.

00:18:35 ◼   ► And boy, this was the first thing I watched.

00:18:38 ◼   ► This immediately raised tons of questions to me.

00:18:41 ◼   ► The second the ad starts, it's like a family in a kitchen, um, and

00:18:45 ◼   ► there's a big kitchen island, and the the family is rotating around the kitchen

00:18:48 ◼   ► island dealing with their day of like they have to get off to school

00:18:50 ◼   ► and what they can make for breakfast and they have to look up a

00:18:52 ◼   ► recipe on the homebot.

00:18:53 ◼   ► Mom can't find her keys.

00:18:55 ◼   ► And the the brothers being a jerk and the sisters walk into school with

00:18:58 ◼   ► a guy who might be her boyfriend.

00:19:00 ◼   ► Like it's a whole little skit they fit into this thing here.

00:19:02 ◼   ► And there's the home view in the center of the kitchen island.

00:19:06 ◼   ► And it's Immediately I said, okay, I what I know about this product is

00:19:10 ◼   ► that it's not battery powered.

00:19:12 ◼   ► Like there is no battery inside it.

00:19:14 ◼   ► You must be plugged in for it to be used.

00:19:16 ◼   ► Where is that thing plugged in?

00:19:18 ◼   ► Because you know in an Apple ad, they're not going to show a core

00:19:21 ◼   ► cord snaking from the center of the kitchen island, draping over the edge of

00:19:25 ◼   ► the kitchen island and plugging into a plug that's probably against code in lots

00:19:28 ◼   ► of regions now on the side of their kitchen island.

00:19:31 ◼   ► So they drilled a hole in the middle of their kitchen island and snaked

00:19:35 ◼   ► the USB C cord through the hole that they drilled in the center of

00:19:39 ◼   ► the kitchen island so they could be like a Sony ed where once whenever

00:19:42 ◼   ► Sony shows their televisions on their website, there's never any cords attached to them.

00:19:45 ◼   ► You're like, well, that's a great if you just want to look at the

00:19:47 ◼   ► the TV in the turned-off state, but if you ever wanted to turn on,

00:19:49 ◼   ► you can have to plug it in and maybe connect it to a video

00:19:52 ◼   ► source.

00:19:53 ◼   ► Uh but yeah, that's just like, okay.

00:19:55 ◼   ► I'm I'm mostly willing to give that a pass because like, oh, it's an

00:19:59 ◼   ► ad and you know, in realistically, it would be shoved into a nook somewhere,

00:20:02 ◼   ► but that does factor into their pitch for the product, which is that at

00:20:07 ◼   ► one point they show someone like you can rotate it.

00:20:09 ◼   ► So now the screen's facing me.

00:20:10 ◼   ► Now the screen's facing you.

00:20:11 ◼   ► That's that's why it's on a little R2D2.

00:20:13 ◼   ► That's why it's circular.

00:20:14 ◼   ► That's why it has a little arm.

00:20:16 ◼   ► To be clear, the the thing doesn't.

00:20:18 ◼   ► R2 D2's head does not turn.

00:20:19 ◼   ► R2 D2 is a continuous cylinder.

00:20:21 ◼   ► He does not have a separate head section that turns.

00:20:23 ◼   ► But you can rotate the entire thing because it's a cylinder and it's

00:20:28 ◼   ► or whatever.

00:20:28 ◼   ► And that's why it's center of the island.

00:20:30 ◼   ► But no actual family can ever put this in the center of an aisle

00:20:34 ◼   ► unless they already have a hole there for snaking the USB C cord through.

00:20:38 ◼   ► So that was a immediate ding for me.

00:20:42 ◼   ► Um the second bit is uh they show you know, uh I I was

00:20:47 ◼   ► very curious about this when I saw this in the ad and we'll get

00:20:49 ◼   ► to it in in a bit.

00:20:49 ◼   ► They show people using it.

00:20:50 ◼   ► It's oh when you look at it, you see your junk and when dad

00:20:52 ◼   ► looks at it, he see his junk and and when the the daughter looks

00:20:55 ◼   ► at it, she sees her text messages, right?

00:20:56 ◼   ► So oh it's like it's recognizing you and it shows you your stuff.

00:20:59 ◼   ► Isn't clever.

00:21:00 ◼   ► Um,

00:21:02 ◼   ► and they show a sequence where uh the brother tries to to s peek

00:21:06 ◼   ► and see what the sister was seeing in her text, but he can't because

00:21:09 ◼   ► when he looks at it, it's like sorry, you're not you know the sister,

00:21:12 ◼   ► we won't show you the text, and he shows that he's appointed as they're

00:21:15 ◼   ► showing the security thing about it.

00:21:18 ◼   ► And that brings me to the final and I feel like most important question

00:21:21 ◼   ► and the thing I heard everyone bring up about this video, which is wouldn't

00:21:24 ◼   ► every person in this video be doing all this stuff on their phone?

00:21:27 ◼   ► Certainly the kids would.

00:21:29 ◼   ► That is the question HomeView has to answer.

00:21:31 ◼   ► Why should I use this and not my phone?

00:21:33 ◼   ► Because if this was not an ad for HomeView, you can bet the girl

00:21:36 ◼   ► would be texting her potential boyfriend on her phone not on the communal home

00:21:41 ◼   ► pot in the middle of the island, regardless of the security features and don't

00:21:45 ◼   ► let her brother see it.

00:21:46 ◼   ► He could just shoulder surf that crap.

00:21:47 ◼   ► She's gonna do that on her phone, one hundred percent.

00:21:50 ◼   ► Is the dad gonna do it on the island for the recipe?

00:21:52 ◼   ► Maybe, but then if someone comes and yanks the the home view and starts

00:21:55 ◼   ► doing their thing, it's like, hey, I was looking at the recipe.

00:21:58 ◼   ► I don't think the Zimbo Marshall answered that question.

00:22:00 ◼   ► And everybody I saw looked at this ad was like, uh what the reason

00:22:03 ◼   ► why it was unrealistic depiction of a family is that there was no one

00:22:06 ◼   ► on their phone.

00:22:07 ◼   ► And that's a problem for this product.

00:22:09 ◼   ► Absolutely.

00:22:10 ◼   ► And and I think that's like phones have gotten so good now that many

00:22:16 ◼   ► people don't even use countertop speakers anymore.

00:22:19 ◼   ► They just play crap out of their phone speakers like as they go around

00:22:22 ◼   ► the house doing stuff.

00:22:24 ◼   ► Many people use their phone for the timers.

00:22:26 ◼   ► Especially like, you know, young kids are gonna use their phone, like teenagers are

00:22:29 ◼   ► gonna use their phone for all of these tasks.

00:22:32 ◼   ► Teenagers care even less about sound quality and big screens and you're like teenagers

00:22:36 ◼   ► care way more about privacy and and the whole family not seeing what they're

00:22:39 ◼   ► doing.

00:22:40 ◼   ► Yeah, but I I I think this is I I think it's going to

00:22:44 ◼   ► have a reasonably small market.

00:22:46 ◼   ► I don't think it's gonna be no market.

00:22:48 ◼   ► Like I think it will sell.

00:22:49 ◼   ► It's gonna I mean I mean I think it's gonna sell better than some

00:22:52 ◼   ► other platforms Apple might have launched in the last few years.

00:22:54 ◼   ► Uh but I think it's going to be

00:22:59 ◼   ► probably about the same size as the market for the home pod, which is

00:23:04 ◼   ► not big.

00:23:05 ◼   ► It it's not nothing, and it's not a bad product.

00:23:08 ◼   ► It's just not a big market.

00:23:10 ◼   ► And that's okay.

00:23:12 ◼   ► And I think that's this is kind of leading into like you know, we'll

00:23:14 ◼   ► we'll the larger view later on about like, you know, what they're doing with

00:23:18 ◼   ► with you know th this new push in into home kit and home devices

00:23:20 ◼   ► and stuff.

00:23:21 ◼   ► But I think this is like a flagship device for people who are already

00:23:27 ◼   ► in that Apple home ecosystem already, I don't think this is gonna bring that

00:23:32 ◼   ► many new people into it.

00:23:33 ◼   ► But for those of us who are in it, this is probably gonna be

00:23:36 ◼   ► pretty nice.

00:23:37 ◼   ► I do wonder if it's live and die based on its audio quality, because

00:23:41 ◼   ► the main appeal I can see for this is like I've seen a lot

00:23:44 ◼   ► of people who bounce off um home home smart speakers because you have to

00:23:49 ◼   ► talk to them and people find that uncomfortable and they don't know how to

00:23:52 ◼   ► do it and it's we all know that it's can be unreliable and weird.

00:23:55 ◼   ► Whereas if you basically got a speaker with a little screen on it, people

00:23:59 ◼   ► are a little bit more comfortable interacting with that, even if they're just mostly

00:24:02 ◼   ► doing it from their phone, just to be able that shows that they're doing

00:24:05 ◼   ► it right.

00:24:06 ◼   ► Like there's being able to see, like visibility into what the thing is doing

00:24:10 ◼   ► and a thing that you can touch, I think that makes people feel more

00:24:12 ◼   ► comfortable.

00:24:12 ◼   ► So I'm still thinking of this kind of as the home pod with a

00:24:16 ◼   ► screen for most people and that like so maybe you didn't want a home

00:24:20 ◼   ► pod mini because you're or a big home pod certainly because you're like, well

00:24:23 ◼   ► I like the idea of a speaker, but I'd rather just have a dumb

00:24:25 ◼   ► Bluetooth speaker.

00:24:26 ◼   ► Like I don't need any smarts in it because I dumb Bluetooth speaker looks

00:24:28 ◼   ► I know I know how to connect to my phone and play stuff and

00:24:30 ◼   ► that's that.

00:24:31 ◼   ► But for like young people setting up their first apartment or home and they

00:24:35 ◼   ► want to have some sound, maybe they bounce off the mini because they're like,

00:24:38 ◼   ► I don't want to talk to a thing, but if it has a screen,

00:24:40 ◼   ► I can just, you know, pull up a playlist and hit like it.

00:24:42 ◼   ► Whatever they think they can do with this.

00:24:44 ◼   ► Remains to be seen whether they'll be able to do with it by touching

00:24:46 ◼   ► the screen, but whatever they think they can do with it, they're like, I'll

00:24:49 ◼   ► just be able to pull it up there and use a touch screen and

00:24:50 ◼   ► start playing stuff as sort of like a modern young person small compact apartment

00:24:56 ◼   ► or dorm room stereo.

00:24:57 ◼   ► And that really depends on well how how good is that speaker.

00:24:59 ◼   ► The only thing I've heard from the people who are there in person, like

00:25:01 ◼   ► the YouTubers who said that so a couple people say that it it wasn't

00:25:05 ◼   ► as loud as they thought it would be.

00:25:07 ◼   ► Uh and that is maybe a problem.

00:25:08 ◼   ► Maybe it's a little bit too small to do that.

00:25:10 ◼   ► Maybe it's actually not even as loud as a HomePod Mini.

00:25:13 ◼   ► But you know, at 300 bucks, I can see this as a splurge purchase

00:25:17 ◼   ► for your first apartment on your own as a way to have sound and

00:25:22 ◼   ► maybe also some other aspects of like, you know, FaceTime or whatever.

00:25:26 ◼   ► How many people getting their first apartment on their own have the money for

00:25:29 ◼   ► this?

00:25:29 ◼   ► Oh, like again, it's at three hundred bucks, like I said, I did say

00:25:32 ◼   ► it's a splurge purchase.

00:25:33 ◼   ► Like it's better than like, oh I want, you know, I want to buy

00:25:35 ◼   ► a stereo from a new apartment.

00:25:36 ◼   ► Well no, no one buys stereos anymore.

00:25:38 ◼   ► Like Again, they're just they're just gonna play it on their phone.

00:25:41 ◼   ► What if you wanna level up a little bit from that?

00:25:42 ◼   ► What if you wanna s if you're interested in music and you want some

00:25:45 ◼   ► kind of sound system for like casual gatherings and par parties at your apartment

00:25:49 ◼   ► that also maybe doubles as the thing you can FaceTime your parents from and

00:25:51 ◼   ► whatever?

00:25:52 ◼   ► Like I I can see a way to advert advertise this as that product.

00:25:55 ◼   ► Again at 300 bucks, I feel like it's in reach because it is within

00:25:58 ◼   ► it's less than a hundred dollars within its competitors.

00:26:01 ◼   ► So we liked well Marco, what did you think of the com of the

00:26:04 ◼   ► video?

00:26:05 ◼   ► I thought it was Fine.

00:26:08 ◼   ► I wasn't put off by it.

00:26:09 ◼   ► I think it was a little long.

00:26:11 ◼   ► I mean it is an infomercial.

00:26:13 ◼   ► Yes.

00:26:13 ◼   ► And I think I think like it they they can get a little too

00:26:17 ◼   ► cute, you know, but like it's fine.

00:26:19 ◼   ► It was exactly what it needed to be.

00:26:21 ◼   ► Yeah Ever everyone was a little bit too well spoken and clever, and they

00:26:24 ◼   ► you know, and it in the end they're demonstrating features of a product, so

00:26:28 ◼   ► there's no getting around that.

00:26:29 ◼   ► Yep.

00:26:29 ◼   ► I think the only thing that turned me off, personally the only thing that

00:26:32 ◼   ► turned me off about it, other than yeah, where are all the phones, but

00:26:34 ◼   ► of course it's contrived.

00:26:36 ◼   ► But this is a tangent I really don't want to go down.

00:26:39 ◼   ► So please do not engage, gentlemen.

00:26:41 ◼   ► But I actually don't think New Siri is that great.

00:26:44 ◼   ► And it's certainly not as fast as they showed in this commercial.

00:26:48 ◼   ► Oh yes.

00:26:48 ◼   ► I noticed that immediately.

00:26:49 ◼   ► That brings up the final point that a lot of people were pointing out.

00:26:51 ◼   ► Like, oh we were we were lauding them for showing Siri AI in real

00:26:55 ◼   ► time when it was first rolled out.

00:26:56 ◼   ► Like you know, making up for the twenty twenty four WWE C right?

00:26:59 ◼   ► And people were like, well this doesn't do that.

00:27:01 ◼   ► This doesn't show anything in real time.

00:27:03 ◼   ► Not even in real time.

00:27:03 ◼   ► Someone asked.

00:27:04 ◼   ► Did they have a sequence shortened text at the bottom?

00:27:07 ◼   ► You ever see that?

00:27:07 ◼   ► They did sequences shortened to show that they're not lying about a product.

00:27:10 ◼   ► And my take on this is that they don't need to do that because

00:27:16 ◼   ► this is clearly narrative fiction with edits.

00:27:19 ◼   ► And every time there's

00:27:21 ◼   ► well be infinite potential time between the edits.

00:27:25 ◼   ► Like it's an under st a media understanding of when we see something edited

00:27:27 ◼   ► like this.

00:27:28 ◼   ► If there's a cut, we're not saying that this happened and then immediately that

00:27:32 ◼   ► happened.

00:27:33 ◼   ► There could be any amount of time between those cuts.

00:27:35 ◼   ► And so I don't think they have to say, you know, professional driver, close

00:27:39 ◼   ► course, sequences shortened.

00:27:40 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

00:27:40 ◼   ► Because it's not one continuous shot.

00:27:42 ◼   ► They put that in there when they when it's like a TV ed where

00:27:44 ◼   ► they're showing a phone and they hear someone tapping and tapping on the phone

00:27:46 ◼   ► and they never cut away and things happen way too fast.

00:27:48 ◼   ► You need sequences shortened on that.

00:27:50 ◼   ► Again, I'm a lawyer, I don't know.

00:27:52 ◼   ► For this one, they always seem to cut.

00:27:54 ◼   ► And the cuts did make it seem like Siri AI is way way faster

00:27:59 ◼   ► than we all know it to be.

00:28:00 ◼   ► And I agree with you, Casey.

00:28:01 ◼   ► Like I mean, Siri AI is j is is only uh such a relief

00:28:05 ◼   ► after the non AI Siri, but compared to other competing products that are more

00:28:10 ◼   ► mature and have always been more responsive, they still are.

00:28:12 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:28:13 ◼   ► All right.

00:28:14 ◼   ► So there is the tabletop one, which is mostly what we've been talking about.

00:28:17 ◼   ► There's also a wall-mounted one, which I think John mentioned in passing earlier.

00:28:22 ◼   ► Um the tabletop one has, I believe, a downward facing subwoofer, if I'm not

00:28:27 ◼   ► mistaken.

00:28:27 ◼   ► Uh downward facing dog.

00:28:28 ◼   ► Uh no, it isn't.

00:28:29 ◼   ► We'll get to the the specs of the two things, but for now it's

00:28:32 ◼   ► suffice it to say that the wall map one is the non-wall mat one

00:28:36 ◼   ► without the R2D2 in the arm.

00:28:37 ◼   ► Yep.

00:28:38 ◼   ► That's it.

00:28:39 ◼   ► And you may be thinking, well what the hell's in the R2D2 in the

00:28:41 ◼   ► ARM?

00:28:42 ◼   ► Apparently you don't need any of that stuff because you can put it on

00:28:44 ◼   ► the wall.

00:28:44 ◼   ► Apparently the whole thing is in the screen.

00:28:46 ◼   ► Well the R2D2, the ARM obviously connects it to the R2D2 and the R2D2

00:28:50 ◼   ► contains Speakers.

00:28:52 ◼   ► Indeed.

00:28:53 ◼   ► Yes.

00:28:53 ◼   ► But the Walmart one does does also have speakers, and Apple has made a

00:28:57 ◼   ► point in the releases that they've made, the the the you know newsroom stuff,

00:29:02 ◼   ► um, that they have tuned the speakers for the Walmount version to accommodate for

00:29:08 ◼   ► the fact that it's mounted against a wall.

00:29:09 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:29:09 ◼   ► And obviously the Walmount speakers will be worse because they are tiny like iPad

00:29:13 ◼   ► speakers.

00:29:14 ◼   ► Right.

00:29:14 ◼   ► And we'll come back to the Walmount stuff in minutes.

00:29:17 ◼   ► But uh like we said earlier the display with bezel is a little less

00:29:21 ◼   ► than six inches across.

00:29:22 ◼   ► Um I forget what they're calling it corner to corner, but it it's fine.

00:29:26 ◼   ► Uh the colors for the R2T R2D2 version are silver, starlight, rose, pink, and

00:29:32 ◼   ► space gray, which I would describe as gray, gold, pink, and darker gray.

00:29:36 ◼   ► Uh for the wall mount one, you get gray or darker gray.

00:29:39 ◼   ► And I think that's smart because anything you're going to mount on your wall

00:29:42 ◼   ► you want to be neutral.

00:29:43 ◼   ► I know people are complaining about this.

00:29:44 ◼   ► Why can't I get the pink one on my wall?

00:29:45 ◼   ► You probably don't want the pink one on your wall.

00:29:48 ◼   ► Fair enough.

00:29:49 ◼   ► Uh so yeah, the it's an A18, which we've already covered.

00:29:52 ◼   ► The screen is eight gigs of RAM by the way in the A18.

00:29:55 ◼   ► Oh, thank you.

00:29:55 ◼   ► The screen is a seven-inch diagonal IPS L C D.

00:29:59 ◼   ► It's 1088 by 1088 at 220 points per inch.

00:30:02 ◼   ► It is true tone.

00:30:03 ◼   ► It goes as as bright as 500 knits, but interestingly as dark as three

00:30:08 ◼   ► tenths of a knit.

00:30:09 ◼   ► Uh this is the lowest minimum brightness ever.

00:30:12 ◼   ► The previous low was one knit.

00:30:13 ◼   ► Uh John, uh what could we get any lower?

00:30:16 ◼   ► Well, so here when I look at this screen, like people were lauding the

00:30:19 ◼   ► fact that it can get down to 0.3 nits because like if what if

00:30:22 ◼   ► it's in a home and you want the home to be dark?

00:30:23 ◼   ► It's really annoying like to have a dark room and like this bright screen

00:30:26 ◼   ► in it.

00:30:26 ◼   ► So getting really, really dim is useful.

00:30:29 ◼   ► Like imagine if you want to put this in a bedroom or use it

00:30:30 ◼   ► as like your alarm clock or whatever.

00:30:32 ◼   ► Who knows what people use this for?

00:30:33 ◼   ► It's nice that it goes down.

00:30:35 ◼   ► But here's the thing, it drives me up a wall about all these devices.

00:30:38 ◼   ► Like my for example, my Ecubie thermostat, which is similar.

00:30:41 ◼   ► It's a wall, it's got a screen on it.

00:30:43 ◼   ► Sometimes that room is dark.

00:30:45 ◼   ► Uh L C Ds emit light when they're quote unquote black.

00:30:49 ◼   ► Uh because the I spent these are these don't have dynamic backlights.

00:30:53 ◼   ► The backlight is on all the time.

00:30:54 ◼   ► They close the liquid crystals, trying not to let any light out.

00:30:57 ◼   ► But guess what?

00:30:58 ◼   ► Some light gets through, which means in a dark room, your LCD screen, even

00:31:03 ◼   ► when the screen is entirely quote unquote black, is glowing.

00:31:07 ◼   ► You know it doesn't do that?

00:31:09 ◼   ► Self-emissive technologies like OLED.

00:31:11 ◼   ► I know OLED would have made this super expensive, but like for my EcoBee

00:31:14 ◼   ► where the screen is like the size of an Apple Watch.

00:31:16 ◼   ► Oh my god, I would pay like a hundred dollars extra for an OLED

00:31:19 ◼   ► screen on my Ecoby.

00:31:21 ◼   ► Just so the black can be black, cause most of the time it's black

00:31:23 ◼   ► with like some white numerals showing the temperature or whatever.

00:31:26 ◼   ► OLED is perfect for home devices because the black parts of the screen you

00:31:31 ◼   ► always want to be actually black and only self-emissive stuff per pixel self-admissive stuff

00:31:36 ◼   ► like OLED can do that.

00:31:38 ◼   ► LCD can't.

00:31:39 ◼   ► So this thing, it's great that it gets dim.

00:31:42 ◼   ► It's not so great that even when the screen is quote unquote black with

00:31:45 ◼   ► white letters on it, even though the white part can get down to 0.3

00:31:49 ◼   ► knits, I wonder if the black part will be 0.03 nits.

00:31:54 ◼   ► So yeah, I'm not I'm not arguing for like, oh, this should have been

00:31:56 ◼   ► only because it's a $300 device or whatever.

00:31:59 ◼   ► I'm just saying like the sooner s Self emissive per pixel lighting can reduce

00:32:04 ◼   ► in price enough that it's in home devices, the better because that is the

00:32:07 ◼   ► ideal application.

00:32:09 ◼   ► Well also I I mean it wouldn't um image retention be a pretty significant

00:32:12 ◼   ► concern on this one, on this kind of device?

00:32:13 ◼   ► I mean they gotta solve that problem too, it's true.

00:32:15 ◼   ► But yeah.

00:32:16 ◼   ► Like uh you get image retention on L C D's as well, as we've

00:32:19 ◼   ► all seen by looking at like a big uh old L C D flat

00:32:21 ◼   ► screen TV as a menu in some like restaurant, right?

00:32:24 ◼   ► That these are problems to be solved.

00:32:26 ◼   ► I'm just saying, like for home devices in particular, since we're talking about getting

00:32:29 ◼   ► dim, any screen in a black room, you're gonna know the technology.

00:32:33 ◼   ► You're like, is that an L C D or not?

00:32:35 ◼   ► I can tell.

00:32:36 ◼   ► Uh so yeah, the camera is 12 megapixel center stage camera, F2.4 aperture.

00:32:42 ◼   ► It is in the bezel.

00:32:43 ◼   ► There's no notch or dynamic island.

00:32:45 ◼   ► For the regular and and the wall-mounted versions, there are two custom full-range driver

00:32:51 ◼   ► speakers.

00:32:51 ◼   ► For the uh R2T2 version only, there's a custom downfiring woofer and dual force

00:32:56 ◼   ► canceling Marco, passive radiators.

00:32:59 ◼   ► Interesting.

00:32:59 ◼   ► Yeah, so they s shove a lot of speakers in that in that dome.

00:33:02 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean so the the a passive radiator in this case, um they've

00:33:05 ◼   ► been doing those recently in a bunch of their devices.

00:33:08 ◼   ► That the passive radiator is the only kind of base sort of driver um

00:33:13 ◼   ► that the home pod mini has.

00:33:14 ◼   ► Uh and I think they even put them in some of the laptops recently,

00:33:17 ◼   ► or at least maybe the IMAX.

00:33:19 ◼   ► I forget, but um it it it actually helps somewhat with base response.

00:33:24 ◼   ► Like it's not as good as having a real driver.

00:33:26 ◼   ► But it's good.

00:33:26 ◼   ► Um now in this case, they're g they have both.

00:33:29 ◼   ► They have a r you know what sounds like probably it's probably gonna be

00:33:32 ◼   ► like a big downward-facing woofer, which is how home pods have always been built.

00:33:37 ◼   ► Um it looks like the that's kind of what the base mainly is.

00:33:41 ◼   ► The good thing is those tend to be really frickin' heavy.

00:33:43 ◼   ► So it kind of you know gives you what you want in a base

00:33:46 ◼   ► like this, which is, you know, a a nice f you know stable footing

00:33:50 ◼   ► for the whole thing, and probably pretty good sound, at least in the bass

00:33:54 ◼   ► department.

00:33:54 ◼   ► I do want wonder a little bit how the mid-range and upper frequencies are

00:34:00 ◼   ► gonna be represented very well by what appears to be only the screen um

00:34:04 ◼   ► and only the top and bottom edges, or maybe even only the bottom edge.

00:34:09 ◼   ► I forgot is it are there holes in the top?

00:34:11 ◼   ► So on the on the left and right sides it appears to just be

00:34:13 ◼   ► microphones.

00:34:14 ◼   ► Yeah, I can't tell where the where the speakers are.

00:34:16 ◼   ► I haven't seen one uh cut one of these open yet.

00:34:17 ◼   ► Yeah I think it might just be the bottom for the for the mid

00:34:20 ◼   ► and treble.

00:34:21 ◼   ► So that that like the so the bottom of the screen, like that little

00:34:25 ◼   ► You you'd assume on that one it's bouncing off a hard surface, like that

00:34:27 ◼   ► would be incorporated into it, kind of like how the IMAX used to have

00:34:30 ◼   ► down firing things.

00:34:31 ◼   ► And and it will, but like that's that's a tough design to make sound

00:34:34 ◼   ► good if you don't need to.

00:34:36 ◼   ► Um so uh we'll see how it sounds.

00:34:39 ◼   ► Full Full-sized home pods, which this seems to be basically replacing, um, sound pretty

00:34:44 ◼   ► good.

00:34:45 ◼   ► So I don't know.

00:34:46 ◼   ► I'm a little skeptical of that this will sound as good as they do,

00:34:48 ◼   ► but uh we'll see.

00:34:49 ◼   ► Oh, it's gonna sound as good as a home s full-size home pod.

00:34:51 ◼   ► And by the way, rumors are that they are going to eventually make a

00:34:53 ◼   ► new full size home pod.

00:34:55 ◼   ► But yeah, this is not close to the sound quality of a full size

00:34:57 ◼   ► home pot, I would bet.

00:34:58 ◼   ► Also rumors are always that they will eventually make a new full size home

00:35:01 ◼   ► pod.

00:35:01 ◼   ► And they did.

00:35:02 ◼   ► They can't they canceled the entire product and they still made a new one.

00:35:04 ◼   ► So it's hard to kill that sucker.

00:35:06 ◼   ► Like they stopped making the old one for a while.

00:35:09 ◼   ► Yeah, we'll see.

00:35:10 ◼   ► Oh and uh rewinding slightly for the the the camera and we're gonna talk

00:35:14 ◼   ► more about the camera in a little bit.

00:35:16 ◼   ► Thank God that they put a camera back in the bezel.

00:35:19 ◼   ► Like I'm so sick of nachos and dynamic islands.

00:35:21 ◼   ► And I was like, like is could could they have done this with a

00:35:24 ◼   ► nachos or dynamic island?

00:35:25 ◼   ► Yeah, they could have.

00:35:26 ◼   ► You would like, Oh, we don't like any bezels on our screen.

00:35:28 ◼   ► Why?

00:35:28 ◼   ► 'Cause we don't like them.

00:35:29 ◼   ► We just don't so we're not gonna have them.

00:35:31 ◼   ► Like, I mean there's a million arguments for them.

00:35:33 ◼   ► It's like oh well, it's so you can grab the screen and move it.

00:35:35 ◼   ► Yeah, that applies to iPads too.

00:35:36 ◼   ► We used to have to grab those by a giant one inch rim around

00:35:38 ◼   ► the outside, and they just shrunk that up until it was totally gone, and

00:35:41 ◼   ► now we get notches in the dynamic islands and stuff.

00:35:43 ◼   ► Love a screen without a notch or a dynamic island.

00:35:46 ◼   ► Just put a bezel on it.

00:35:48 ◼   ► It's fine.

00:35:48 ◼   ► It still looks nice.

00:35:50 ◼   ► Thank God.

00:35:50 ◼   ► Yeah, I actually think these proportions of the screen, be bezel and all.

00:35:55 ◼   ► I think it looks really good for this type of thing.

00:35:57 ◼   ► Yeah, it looks like a home product.

00:35:58 ◼   ► Yeah, exactly.

00:35:59 ◼   ► I I it is totally fine and I think it's actually screen-wise, it looks

00:36:03 ◼   ► like a pretty attractive design to me.

00:36:05 ◼   ► Continuing on with sound, uh Apple says it's powered by Apple Silicon and real-time

00:36:09 ◼   ► system sensors.

00:36:10 ◼   ► Advanced computational audio cont continuously optimizes loudness and bass response at any volume.

00:36:15 ◼   ► It does have spatial audio with Dolby Atmos for music and video, uh computational

00:36:20 ◼   ► audio for real-time tuning and for microphone design for far field S IRI, and

00:36:25 ◼   ► sound recognition for smoke and carbon monoxide alarm sounds.

00:36:29 ◼   ► So throwing a lot of computation at uh in the end, like as Marco

00:36:32 ◼   ► was saying, there's no getting around the fact of like what are your drivers

00:36:34 ◼   ► and where are they positioned, but they'll throw the computers at it to try

00:36:37 ◼   ► to make it all sound better.

00:36:38 ◼   ► And I do like the fact that like most of their home speaker products

00:36:42 ◼   ► is trying to like wherever you put me, I'll try to figure out how

00:36:45 ◼   ► to not sound terrible in this position.

00:36:47 ◼   ► You know, I'm sure if that's the same inertial sensors as the big home

00:36:50 ◼   ► pods of knowing when to do that or whatever, but I give them the

00:36:52 ◼   ► benefit of the doubt that they're gonna do as much sound processing as they

00:36:55 ◼   ► possibly can to make this sound better.

00:36:57 ◼   ► For wireless, it's uh Wi-Fi 6E, simultaneous dual band, uh peer-to-peer discovery for easy

00:37:03 ◼   ► guest access, Bluetooth 6 and thread.

00:37:05 ◼   ► It has ambient light sensors, temperature and humidity sensors and an accelerometer.

00:37:10 ◼   ► Uh where things get a little bit dodgy though is power.

00:37:13 ◼   ► So I believe it requires 20 watts.

00:37:16 ◼   ► Um there is a 30-watt adapter with a meter and a half long cable

00:37:20 ◼   ► included.

00:37:21 ◼   ► For the R2D2 version, you get nothing if you get the wall-mounted version.

00:37:26 ◼   ► Uh but interestingly, and in the defense of Apple, there's like three or four

00:37:30 ◼   ► different um options for wall mounts.

00:37:32 ◼   ► And I f forgot to put them in our internal show notes, so don't

00:37:35 ◼   ► have them in front of me.

00:37:35 ◼   ► But interestingly they're they're in there.

00:37:37 ◼   ► You're looking at them right now.

00:37:38 ◼   ► Cool.

00:37:39 ◼   ► Uh that's what I totally said.

00:37:41 ◼   ► Um

00:37:42 ◼   ► three prices at the bottom.

00:37:44 ◼   ► Yes, I'm sorry.

00:37:44 ◼   ► That's totally said.

00:37:46 ◼   ► We're gonna leave it in.

00:37:47 ◼   ► Uh there's a USB C Wall Mount for sixty dollars, an AC Walmount for

00:37:50 ◼   ► $80, and interestingly, and I really do, no snark, I commend Apple for this.

00:37:56 ◼   ► Uh Schneider Home is apparently going to do a POE wall mount, which is

00:38:00 ◼   ► great.

00:38:01 ◼   ► I genuinely mean that.

00:38:02 ◼   ► I think that's awesome that for power over Ethernet people, which if you're a

00:38:05 ◼   ► ubiquity person, you kind of implicitly become a power over Ethernet person.

00:38:09 ◼   ► I'm genuinely happy that they're doing something with PoE.

00:38:13 ◼   ► Now, I suspect that it's not actually getting a network connection over PoE.

00:38:17 ◼   ► In fact, I would probably assume that this is just a PoE to USB

00:38:20 ◼   ► converter.

00:38:21 ◼   ► Nevertheless, I still appreciate that it's

00:38:24 ◼   ► from a press release from Schneider, it says Schneider Holmes power mount designed exclusively

00:38:28 ◼   ► for Apple's HomeView, wall-mounted.

00:38:31 ◼   ► Uh Power Mount's design is purpose-built for Apple Home View and offering an elegant

00:38:34 ◼   ► wall-mounted installation in three configurations: USB C wall connector, AC wired, and power over

00:38:38 ◼   ► Ethernet wired.

00:38:39 ◼   ► All three Power Mounts feature precision magnets to securely hold Apple HomeView against the

00:38:43 ◼   ► wall to stay powered.

00:38:44 ◼   ► For a seamless professional installation with no visible wires, the AC powered wall mount

00:38:47 ◼   ► connects to electrical wiring through a single wall box and the POE wired wall

00:38:50 ◼   ► mount receives power and data.

00:38:51 ◼   ► Oh, I'm wrong.

00:38:52 ◼   ► I should have read that further.

00:38:53 ◼   ► And data through a standard Ethernet cable hidden in the wall.

00:38:55 ◼   ► Again, I really, really dig this until you look at the price.

00:38:59 ◼   ► The PoE Walmart is one hundred and twenty-nine dollars and ninety-five cents, which if

00:39:04 ◼   ► you do a little bit of mathematics, is forty-three percent of the purchase price

00:39:10 ◼   ► of the entire effing home view.

00:39:12 ◼   ► Astonishing.

00:39:13 ◼   ► And wait, it get it gets better.

00:39:15 ◼   ► Remember that the Walmount home view is the regular home view with the R2D2

00:39:21 ◼   ► part chopped off.

00:39:23 ◼   ► But it's the same price as that other one.

00:39:26 ◼   ► So they took a piece a piece of the other product.

00:39:29 ◼   ► Granted, probably the most expensive piece because it's the screen and has the SOC

00:39:33 ◼   ► in it, clearly or whatever.

00:39:34 ◼   ► But they removed all like the downfiring woofer, that aluminum case, the passive radiators,

00:39:40 ◼   ► the arm, all that is gone.

00:39:41 ◼   ► Is it cheaper than the non-wall mountain?

00:39:43 ◼   ► No, exactly the same price.

00:39:45 ◼   ► And then insult to injury is oh, and if you want to connect it

00:39:48 ◼   ► to power or over Ethernet, take your thing that doesn't R2D tube across the

00:39:52 ◼   ► same price as one that does, and had forty-three percent of the price for

00:39:55 ◼   ► a power.

00:39:55 ◼   ► Now the good the good thing about that is look, these are as in

00:39:59 ◼   ► the end, these are like it's a physical problem.

00:40:01 ◼   ► How do you mount this thing to the wall?

00:40:03 ◼   ► Third parties are gonna be all over this with like I mean, you could

00:40:07 ◼   ► three D print something or go to do this, like in the end, you

00:40:10 ◼   ► just have to get some way to get a USB C cable into the

00:40:13 ◼   ► thing.

00:40:14 ◼   ► Uh or some kind of, you know, whatever you have to do.

00:40:16 ◼   ► It is a physical problem, not a computer problem.

00:40:20 ◼   ► Uh if you don't want to pay $130 for a power over Ethernet thing,

00:40:23 ◼   ► I'm sure you could take a power over Ethernet to USB C thing or

00:40:27 ◼   ► whatever.

00:40:28 ◼   ► Maybe you won't get data through it.

00:40:29 ◼   ► Like I don't know what the details of that are.

00:40:30 ◼   ► Maybe that's why it's 130 bucks, but like these are solvable problems for people.

00:40:35 ◼   ► Maybe you're not gonna have the precision magnets, maybe, although you can 3D print

00:40:38 ◼   ► those too.

00:40:38 ◼   ► Not the magnets, but the places where the magnets go.

00:40:40 ◼   ► Um you can buy magics on Amazon that fit into 3D printed things really

00:40:44 ◼   ► cheaply.

00:40:44 ◼   ► Yeah, this is this is like

00:40:47 ◼   ► the the the wall mount one is clearly like look if you're gonna wall

00:40:51 ◼   ► mount this you're the kind of person who is putting smart things in your

00:40:54 ◼   ► walls and so we're gonna charge you more money for it, I guess.

00:40:56 ◼   ► But like it really does feel a little bit punitive to me to make

00:40:59 ◼   ► the Walmart one not be cheaper than the regular one.

00:41:01 ◼   ► Because let's let's face it, it can't cost it it costs less for them

00:41:04 ◼   ► to make.

00:41:05 ◼   ► It just does.

00:41:06 ◼   ► Yeah I mean what this What the Walmart product is, or at least what

00:41:11 ◼   ► they're hoping it will be, is there's this whole market, uh first of all,

00:41:17 ◼   ► businesses will, you know, if for for some reason a business wants to install

00:41:21 ◼   ► one of these.

00:41:22 ◼   ► Now, I don't know what kind of business that would be that would want

00:41:24 ◼   ► this.

00:41:25 ◼   ► Yeah why would they do it?

00:41:26 ◼   ► Six person company?

00:41:27 ◼   ► But where I think what this is really for is custom installers doing high

00:41:32 ◼   ► end installs for nice houses and rich people.

00:41:34 ◼   ► Um there's this whole world out there um of you know the pe the

00:41:38 ◼   ► same people who walm out TVs, you know, and and you know, a lot

00:41:41 ◼   ► of times like people will have like centralized audio systems that like play through

00:41:46 ◼   ► ceiling speakers all over the house, and they'll like a closet full of Sonos

00:41:49 ◼   ► amps and a rack.

00:41:50 ◼   ► Like it's that market.

00:41:51 ◼   ► Cut Custom installed nice things for high end houses.

00:41:55 ◼   ► That is what this is for.

00:41:56 ◼   ► And that market, it's like when you sell to the enterprise or to people

00:42:01 ◼   ► having weddings.

00:42:02 ◼   ► These are just words that you can put in front of things that make

00:42:05 ◼   ► the prices go up.

00:42:06 ◼   ► Why?

00:42:06 ◼   ► Because they can.

00:42:08 ◼   ► And because those customers will usually pay the premium because they can.

00:42:12 ◼   ► So it's not like it is it like

00:42:16 ◼   ► I don't like when people use the term money grab.

00:42:20 ◼   ► Uh to when they accuse developers of software of money grabs for things like

00:42:26 ◼   ► charging money for anything.

00:42:29 ◼   ► However, that's kind of what this type of product like when you have like

00:42:34 ◼   ► the version of it that comes with less stuff and costs more, that's just

00:42:38 ◼   ► market segmentation.

00:42:40 ◼   ► They're selling to a market that will pay more and they will happily make

00:42:44 ◼   ► them pay more.

00:42:44 ◼   ► That's all it is.

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00:44:43 ◼   ► Uh let's talk apps.

00:44:44 ◼   ► They're built-in apps, alarms, calendar, FaceTime, find my home, intercom, messages, music, podcast, reminders,

00:44:50 ◼   ► safari settings uh timers, weather, and world clock.

00:44:54 ◼   ► There are apps also available from iPhone, which is audiobooks, classical music, news, and

00:44:58 ◼   ► TV.

00:44:59 ◼   ► Then it uh apparently quote supported it will also have supported third party audio

00:45:06 ◼   ► and video apps, quote.

00:45:07 ◼   ► Uh this requires iOS and iPad OS twenty-seven point two.

00:45:10 ◼   ► There were there there has been a lot of confusion to which I don't

00:45:14 ◼   ► think I can bring final answers, but there's been a lot of confusion with

00:45:17 ◼   ► regard to okay, how does third party stuff work?

00:45:20 ◼   ► Uh Ju J Julian Chakatu at Wired says it doesn't have an app store.

00:45:25 ◼   ► Instead, Apple has a curated selection of apps, including FaceTime Messengers and Safari.

00:45:28 ◼   ► A handful of third party media apps like Spotify are available and developers can

00:45:32 ◼   ► bring over existing CarPlay apps.

00:45:34 ◼   ► What?

00:45:35 ◼   ► Hey, it's on boats.

00:45:36 ◼   ► Right?

00:45:36 ◼   ► It's on boats.

00:45:38 ◼   ► It's not on Rivians, but it's on boats.

00:45:40 ◼   ► Uh a handful of third-party media apps like Spotify are available and developers can

00:45:43 ◼   ► bring over existing CarPlay apps.

00:45:45 ◼   ► If your iPhone already has one of these CarPlay apps installed, it can automatically

00:45:48 ◼   ► appear on the HomeView after setup.

00:45:50 ◼   ► Julian continues, there are no video streaming apps like YouTube, Netflix or Disney, but

00:45:55 ◼   ► if those companies choose to make their apps available on the CarPlay framework, they

00:45:58 ◼   ► will show up in HomeView.

00:46:00 ◼   ► For now, you'll have to consume videos by using the Safari browser, which raises

00:46:04 ◼   ► something that John beat me to and put in our internal show notes, which

00:46:07 ◼   ► we will also put in your show notes.

00:46:09 ◼   ► There was something about this at WWDC this year which I immediately thought of

00:46:13 ◼   ► and apparently so did John.

00:46:14 ◼   ► John, what is what is this?

00:46:15 ◼   ► Yeah, at CarPlay, uh WC2026, they were like, Hey, now we support video apps

00:46:21 ◼   ► for CarPlay.

00:46:21 ◼   ► And they were very cautious saying, Oh, you should watch them when you're parked,

00:46:24 ◼   ► maybe you're charging your EV.

00:46:26 ◼   ► It's good to like, this is not for when you're driving, but you know,

00:46:28 ◼   ► just so you know, we now have support for video apps for CarPlay.

00:46:31 ◼   ► And it's like, all right, sure, I guess.

00:46:33 ◼   ► Secret uh preparing for a product that was already done by then.

00:46:37 ◼   ► Hey, why would you make a CarPlay video app?

00:46:40 ◼   ► Well, now if you did make a CarPlay video app, boom, automatically works on

00:46:44 ◼   ► the home view.

00:46:44 ◼   ► Yeah, it was it turns out it wasn't just for when you're charging your

00:46:47 ◼   ► EV.

00:46:48 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:46:48 ◼   ► I mean it is for that, like that is a valid place for it,

00:46:51 ◼   ► but also for this.

00:46:52 ◼   ► But again, people who were parked charging their EVs usually use their phones or

00:46:57 ◼   ► go into the travel plaza?

00:46:59 ◼   ► You know, but anyway, yeah.

00:47:02 ◼   ► Teslas do it.

00:47:03 ◼   ► A lot of them have a way where when you are stationary in your

00:47:05 ◼   ► car and it's charging that you can watch video content on the dashboard.

00:47:09 ◼   ► How many people use it?

00:47:10 ◼   ► I bet it doesn't get a lot of use for exactly the reason you

00:47:11 ◼   ► said, but a lot of people do it.

00:47:13 ◼   ► So when Apple did it, no one really raised an eyebrow.

00:47:15 ◼   ► They're okay, other people do it.

00:47:16 ◼   ► Apple will too.

00:47:17 ◼   ► Continuing, uh, we'll quote from Apple's latest developer agreement, which just came out, I

00:47:23 ◼   ► think, earlier today as we record 6.4.1, iOS application widgets on CarPlay and Apple

00:47:27 ◼   ► HomeView.

00:47:28 ◼   ► You agree that your iOS application widget may be available on CarPlay and Apple

00:47:32 ◼   ► HomeView.

00:47:33 ◼   ► 6.4.2, availability of iOS applications for CarPlay on Apple HomeView.

00:47:37 ◼   ► If your application includes a CarPlay entitlement profile in a category identified by Apple

00:47:42 ◼   ► in the documentation, you agree Apple may provide access to such application on Apple

00:47:46 ◼   ► Home View while it is running on a paired iOS device.

00:47:48 ◼   ► So it's not like Vision OS where you can opt in and opt out.

00:47:51 ◼   ► It's iPad uh apps on macOS where you can opt in and opt out

00:47:54 ◼   ► they're like look if you made a CarPlay thing you now agree we can

00:47:58 ◼   ► make that appear on this device like you're you are opted into it and

00:48:02 ◼   ► you have no choice and which is probably fine but it's just it is

00:48:05 ◼   ► a change in attitude towards Apple's things.

00:48:08 ◼   ► And again, we'll get more into this with the next item, but like, is

00:48:11 ◼   ► this really a platform?

00:48:12 ◼   ► But uh just FYI.

00:48:13 ◼   ► It seems like Marco Overcast will be on this device and you have no

00:48:16 ◼   ► say.

00:48:17 ◼   ► I mean, first of all, like good?

00:48:19 ◼   ► Like I I I want Overcast to be on this device.

00:48:22 ◼   ► And you don't do more work because you already have a CarPlay version, right?

00:48:24 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:48:25 ◼   ► So my my one wish for this, this is totally unrelated to the home

00:48:30 ◼   ► view.

00:48:31 ◼   ► I I I had to think about that name for a second.

00:48:33 ◼   ► Um

00:48:34 ◼   ► CarPlay, the APIs to to write CarPlay interfaces are very old style like create

00:48:43 ◼   ► CP template row, set properties, you know, when things update, you have to go

00:48:48 ◼   ► find the instance of the C P update row and update its properties or

00:48:51 ◼   ► like, you know, generate a new one and then it makes the whole screen

00:48:54 ◼   ► blink and it like there's so many it's so cumbersome.

00:48:57 ◼   ► Is it like Watch Kit where it's entirely data driven where you're just sending

00:49:00 ◼   ► like uh data over the wire and then the data rehydrates into a thing?

00:49:04 ◼   ► Sort of, except that I'm pretty sure the phone is rendering the whole UI

00:49:08 ◼   ► and just sending it over like a like a video airplay kind of link.

00:49:11 ◼   ► But um but like if for what the what the apps see is you

00:49:14 ◼   ► just create like CarPlay list template, CarPlay Row, CarPlay Media Row.

00:49:18 ◼   ► And you say this is this one is now playing.

00:49:20 ◼   ► This one's title is this, this one's description description is this.

00:49:22 ◼   ► You know, put this at index one or whatever.

00:49:24 ◼   ► You know, like that's what you're doing.

00:49:26 ◼   ► It is so difficult to make anything good using that.

00:49:31 ◼   ► Because it's first of all, it's full of bugs.

00:49:33 ◼   ► Second of all, like it's so cumbersome to go you you basically have to

00:49:36 ◼   ► like manually diff and update your data model into the interface.

00:49:41 ◼   ► Swift UI has this amazing power where like you know the the declarative structure

00:49:45 ◼   ► of it is like you basically declare the interface using these wonderful result builders,

00:49:50 ◼   ► and you know, you you kind of bind your data to various parts of

00:49:53 ◼   ► it such that when your data updates, the UI updates for you.

00:49:56 ◼   ► It does its own diffing.

00:49:57 ◼   ► It kind of does like efficient updates to only updating what it needs to

00:50:01 ◼   ► update.

00:50:02 ◼   ► I really, really hope that a every day, every year WDC, what I hope

00:50:07 ◼   ► Apple releases is a Swift UI style declarative result builder based interface for CarPlay

00:50:14 ◼   ► apps to use.

00:50:15 ◼   ► They haven't yet done it.

00:50:17 ◼   ► I'm hoping maybe this will help push them to do that sooner rather than

00:50:22 ◼   ► later.

00:50:22 ◼   ► Maybe next year W D C maybe there's a chance of something like that.

00:50:25 ◼   ► Like some kind of redo of the CarPlay APIs, because it's it's not for

00:50:31 ◼   ► like six apps anymore.

00:50:32 ◼   ► There's there's a lot of CarPlay apps out there, as we always talk about

00:50:34 ◼   ► whenever we talk about Ruby and but um there's a lot of CarPlay apps

00:50:37 ◼   ► out there and writing them is so unbelievably cumbersome.

00:50:42 ◼   ► And they have this amazing data diffing system with Swift UI.

00:50:48 ◼   ► Just use that, make that like it's w it's one of my projects like

00:50:51 ◼   ► I c I fantasize sometimes about like I wonder if I could make AI

00:50:54 ◼   ► build me a shim that does that.

00:50:56 ◼   ► Like just build me that layer so that I never have to use the

00:51:00 ◼   ► ancient CarPlay APIs again.

00:51:01 ◼   ► 'Cause it's again it's just it's so difficult to to write a CarPlay UI

00:51:06 ◼   ► that is correct, efficient, and good.

00:51:10 ◼   ► And a result builder one would do that so much more easily.

00:51:14 ◼   ► Uh I think uh we may get email from Swift UI experts saying that

00:51:17 ◼   ► Swift UI does not actually do React style tree diffing.

00:51:21 ◼   ► Uh but we get conceptually what you're saying.

00:51:23 ◼   ► Thank you.

00:51:24 ◼   ► All right.

00:51:25 ◼   ► Uh with regard to the name, Joe Joe Rosignal at MacRumors writes Mac Rumors

00:51:30 ◼   ► was the first to reveal the name HomeView last week after discovering a trademark

00:51:33 ◼   ► fil filing from a secretive shell company that we correctly suspected was linked to

00:51:37 ◼   ► Apple.

00:51:38 ◼   ► Apple was likely behind a Home OS trademark filing as well, but the company

00:51:42 ◼   ► ultimately decided to stick with generic home view software naming, just like it refers

00:51:46 ◼   ► to HomePod's operating system as HomePod Software.

00:51:49 ◼   ► For example, the device will ship with HomeView Software version twenty seven point two.

00:51:54 ◼   ► So this does actually lean it's yeah yeah explain and uh what Apple's stance

00:52:00 ◼   ► is on this.

00:52:00 ◼   ► Uh is it a platform or is it not?

00:52:02 ◼   ► Apple's platforms have names like T V OS and iOS and iPad OS and

00:52:07 ◼   ► Mac OS and so on and so forth.

00:52:09 ◼   ► Apple's platforms that aren't really platforms don't have names.

00:52:13 ◼   ► The home pod runs, I believe, currently Audio OS, but nobody knows that name

00:52:18 ◼   ► who's not a developer because it's not a platform that you develop for.

00:52:21 ◼   ► It is just simply what the operating system is called under the covers because

00:52:24 ◼   ► it's got to have a name, right?

00:52:26 ◼   ► Home OS would have been publicized if there was, for example, an app store

00:52:30 ◼   ► for HomeView, but there's not.

00:52:32 ◼   ► So instead, it's like the when it was like iPhone software, iPhone firmware before

00:52:36 ◼   ► it was christened uh iOS or whatever.

00:52:39 ◼   ► It's just the software for your home view.

00:52:42 ◼   ► Home view software version 27.2.

00:52:44 ◼   ► It's nice that they sync the version of this totally unbranded, nameless.

00:52:47 ◼   ► Don't call it an operating system, operating system with everybody else.

00:52:51 ◼   ► So it is also 27.2.

00:52:52 ◼   ► What is 27.82?

00:52:54 ◼   ► Home view software.

00:52:55 ◼   ► And under the covers, maybe it is call home OS.

00:52:57 ◼   ► When someone cracks one of these opens and and looks at what you name

00:53:00 ◼   ► pulls out or whatever, it probably is actually called Home OS or maybe what

00:53:03 ◼   ► the code name was like Vision uh what do you call the the Vision

00:53:06 ◼   ► Pro is still called XROS under the cover, I believe.

00:53:08 ◼   ► Um but yeah they didn't brand it as a platform because it's not.

00:53:12 ◼   ► It is

00:53:14 ◼   ► I've heard some people refer to it and we'll talk about like the UI

00:53:16 ◼   ► in a little bit, like it's like a big Apple Watch, kind of, but

00:53:20 ◼   ► also kind of like a big CarPlay screen, but also its own thing.

00:53:23 ◼   ► It is a weird hybrid because you can project stuff onto it because CarPlay,

00:53:27 ◼   ► that's what CarPlay does.

00:53:28 ◼   ► Uh and it can delegate stuff to your phone, which is more powerful and

00:53:32 ◼   ► has all your data.

00:53:32 ◼   ► And we'll that in a minute too.

00:53:34 ◼   ► But also it seems like it has things that run directly on it too,

00:53:38 ◼   ► like you know, the home pod has stuff that runs directly on it as

00:53:41 ◼   ► well.

00:53:42 ◼   ► But this has a screen and everything.

00:53:43 ◼   ► So this is in a weird middle place, but it's clear that Apple is

00:53:46 ◼   ► starting this cautiously and not trying to say, kind of like they did with

00:53:51 ◼   ► uh uh TVOS of like this is just an all-new platform.

00:53:54 ◼   ► Like everything we make is a platform, and everything has an app store.

00:53:57 ◼   ► And that's and like the watch.

00:53:58 ◼   ► Watch has its own app store and its own apps.

00:54:00 ◼   ► And it's like some things lend themselves better to that approach than others.

00:54:03 ◼   ► This one they're not even trying.

00:54:05 ◼   ► They're saying this is fits into our ecosystem, but it is not yet a

00:54:08 ◼   ► platform you develop for.

00:54:09 ◼   ► I just had someone ask me on uh Mastodon earlier who's like, ca is

00:54:12 ◼   ► this a deploy deployable target in X code?

00:54:14 ◼   ► I don't think it is.

00:54:15 ◼   ► I don't the answer to this, but I don't think it is.

00:54:17 ◼   ► Like you don't you can't like write apps for it and target it and

00:54:20 ◼   ► deploy it on it.

00:54:21 ◼   ► I think you add CarPlay support for your app and you use the CarPlay

00:54:25 ◼   ► video player APIs if you want to do that and so on and so

00:54:27 ◼   ► forth.

00:54:27 ◼   ► But I think that's it.

00:54:29 ◼   ► Like I we'll find out more in in the coming days.

00:54:31 ◼   ► But yeah, it may be running Home OS under the covers, but it is

00:54:34 ◼   ► not a new platform, at least not yet.

00:54:36 ◼   ► Yeah, it definitely seems like from a developer point of view, it's basically like

00:54:41 ◼   ► CarPlan widgets.

00:54:42 ◼   ► Like it almost like standby mode on the phone where like you can offer

00:54:46 ◼   ► a widget.

00:54:46 ◼   ► And the user can put it there.

00:54:48 ◼   ► It's probably gonna be very similar to that.

00:54:50 ◼   ► Um and you y you know, we don't make home view os whatever we

00:54:57 ◼   ► don't we don't make yeah, we don't make home OS apps.

00:54:59 ◼   ► We make iOS apps that can optionally project something onto the home view.

00:55:04 ◼   ► There are some requirements if you want to use this.

00:55:07 ◼   ► Uh Julian at Wired writes to get the most out of home view, you

00:55:10 ◼   ► need an iPhone with Apple Intelligence support, which is an iPhone 15 Pro or

00:55:13 ◼   ► newer.

00:55:14 ◼   ► You can't set it up with an iPad.

00:55:15 ◼   ► Apple says you can still set it up with an older iPhone and access

00:55:18 ◼   ► some of Siri AI's smarts, like broad world knowledge, but smarter app actions and

00:55:23 ◼   ► personal context queries require an iPhone with Apple intelligence.

00:55:26 ◼   ► I mean that makes sense because like it's just doing them on your phone.

00:55:28 ◼   ► So if your phone doesn't support personal context, then Apple Serie AI, you can't

00:55:32 ◼   ► delegate it to like that stuff's not going to happen on the home view.

00:55:35 ◼   ► It happens on your phone.

00:55:37 ◼   ► That's right.

00:55:37 ◼   ► And again, Julian writes, you can add up to six iCloud accounts.

00:55:41 ◼   ► John has made a couple of mentions to that earlier, and the user interface

00:55:44 ◼   ► will adapt to each person.

00:55:46 ◼   ► Uh John, I believe you would like to take a moment to climb up

00:55:49 ◼   ► on your high horse.

00:55:50 ◼   ► My my immediate snark about this was I wonder if it will cancel your

00:55:53 ◼   ► Apple Care One plan every time a different person uses it.

00:55:58 ◼   ► Because historically speaking, products that are in your home that can be used by

00:56:03 ◼   ► more than one Apple account simultaneously, all in or an alternation, will in fact

00:56:08 ◼   ► cancel your Apple Care.

00:56:09 ◼   ► One plan.

00:56:09 ◼   ► And I'm speaking of course about a Mac with multiple accounts.

00:56:12 ◼   ► If anybody signs into an account on that Mac with an Apple account that

00:56:17 ◼   ► is not part of your Apple family, yoink, off your Apple Care One family

00:56:21 ◼   ► plan it goes.

00:56:21 ◼   ► And by the way, I did confirm this with a long uh phone call

00:56:24 ◼   ► with uh Apple support the other day.

00:56:27 ◼   ► Um I think I mentioned in the last episode, but I'll just reiterate it

00:56:29 ◼   ► again.

00:56:30 ◼   ► Apple Care One Family, what they told me is if you do that, even

00:56:33 ◼   ► if you have Apple Care One Family, if you use any Apple account that's

00:56:36 ◼   ► not part of your Apple Care One family, even if you're still logged into

00:56:39 ◼   ► that Mac with one of your Apple Kit Apple family accounts, doesn't matter.

00:56:42 ◼   ► They will yank it off Apple Care One family.

00:56:44 ◼   ► So that sucks, but don't worry about it because as far as I can

00:56:49 ◼   ► tell, this is not like Mac OS, where it's like there are multiple users

00:56:53 ◼   ► on the system and they have accounts and it switches accounts.

00:56:56 ◼   ► That's not what this is doing, as far as I can tell.

00:56:58 ◼   ► We'll find out when we get closer.

00:56:59 ◼   ► This is all speculation, but I would bet a substantial amount of money that

00:57:03 ◼   ► what this is actually doing is always running one big monolithic application that simply

00:57:09 ◼   ► does different things depending on who the current authenticated user is.

00:57:13 ◼   ► And we'll

00:57:15 ◼   ► Oh, it's running as a different user.

00:57:17 ◼   ► It's switching to a different account.

00:57:18 ◼   ► It's none of that.

00:57:19 ◼   ► It's it's always running as I don't know if it's always running as root,

00:57:22 ◼   ► but anyway, it's always running as the same user.

00:57:23 ◼   ► It's single monolithic application.

00:57:25 ◼   ► And it's just multiplexing whose phone it's talking to.

00:57:28 ◼   ► Uh and in that way, yes, six people can use it at the same

00:57:31 ◼   ► time.

00:57:32 ◼   ► Because that's that's that's the problem of any kind of like thing in a

00:57:34 ◼   ► home with a screen.

00:57:35 ◼   ► If you're not living alone with it and multiple people people want to use

00:57:38 ◼   ► it, it has to be useful to all of them.

00:57:40 ◼   ► So yeah, I guess you could put a family calendar on a shared thing

00:57:42 ◼   ► or whatever, but ideally when you are using it, it will tell you your

00:57:45 ◼   ► stuff.

00:57:46 ◼   ► Like, um, well, we'll get to it in a bit, but I have a

00:57:49 ◼   ► Google device that is similar and I can figure out who's talking to it

00:57:51 ◼   ► and and show them their stuff in response to that.

00:57:54 ◼   ► So to be a registered user of the HomeView, you need an iPhone, an

00:57:57 ◼   ► Apple account, and you need to be a member of the home that the

00:57:59 ◼   ► HomeView is a part of.

00:58:01 ◼   ► That's an interesting list of requirements because first of all, hey kid, are you

00:58:04 ◼   ► a little kid and you don't iPhone?

00:58:06 ◼   ► Tough luck.

00:58:08 ◼   ► You don't get any customization for the home view.

00:58:10 ◼   ► It doesn't show you your stuff.

00:58:12 ◼   ► Uh it doesn't know who you are.

00:58:13 ◼   ► It doesn't care.

00:58:14 ◼   ► If you don't have you're not a person.

00:58:15 ◼   ► Uh second, you need an Apple account, which that makes sense.

00:58:18 ◼   ► And then being member of the home, that's different than being a member of

00:58:22 ◼   ► the Apple family thing, I think.

00:58:24 ◼   ► Cause I think you can add anyone to your home, like your Apple home.

00:58:27 ◼   ► It's who do you want to be a member of this home?

00:58:29 ◼   ► But uh most people, it's it's probably the same thing like they're a member

00:58:32 ◼   ► of your Apple family, they're a member of your Apple Home, but it it

00:58:34 ◼   ► doesn't require you to be a member of Apple family.

00:58:37 ◼   ► In any case, uh HomeView does not have face ID.

00:58:42 ◼   ► Uh recognition just uses the camera.

00:58:44 ◼   ► There's no like depth sensors or anything like that.

00:58:46 ◼   ► You will only be recognized by home view if your iPhone is at home

00:58:49 ◼   ► on the same Wi-Fi and has been recently unlocked.

00:58:53 ◼   ► Apple Watch is not enough to serve as your I'm home personal device.

00:58:57 ◼   ► There is no IR, so you know there's limited to no functionality in the

00:59:01 ◼   ► dark, and there's no voice recognition.

00:59:03 ◼   ► We don't think.

00:59:04 ◼   ► Yeah, so I they didn't say anything about it, but like the my Google

00:59:07 ◼   ► home does voice recognition.

00:59:08 ◼   ► When I talk to it, it knows that it's me because my voice sounds

00:59:10 ◼   ► different than my wife.

00:59:11 ◼   ► Um, all this, this is of another fascinating part of the multi-user thing aspect

00:59:16 ◼   ► of it.

00:59:16 ◼   ► So it doesn't have face ID.

00:59:18 ◼   ► I don't quite know why because it's plenty thick, but again, 300 bucks, whatever.

00:59:21 ◼   ► That's fine.

00:59:22 ◼   ► Um it just uses cameras, but as we all know, all I can just

00:59:25 ◼   ► print out a picture of your face and hold it up.

00:59:27 ◼   ► But that's there's more that is required.

00:59:29 ◼   ► The other things that you read.

00:59:30 ◼   ► You have to be on the you have to have your iPhone, it has

00:59:32 ◼   ► to be on the home Wi Fi, and you have to have recently unlocked

00:59:34 ◼   ► it, and that iPhone has to be signed in with the Apple account that

00:59:37 ◼   ► it thinks is you.

00:59:37 ◼   ► So you could still do this, like if I'm sitting on the couch and

00:59:41 ◼   ► I've unlocked my iPhone and you walk over to HomeView and hold up a

00:59:43 ◼   ► printout of my face, you're in.

00:59:45 ◼   ► So it's not super duper security, but remember, when I say you're in, it's

00:59:49 ◼   ► like you suddenly have access to my phone on the home view.

00:59:52 ◼   ► You just can see, I guess, my events for the day and you could

00:59:54 ◼   ► ask it questions that would go to my phone and get personal con it

00:59:57 ◼   ► is still like it is still potentially a side door security hole because this

01:00:01 ◼   ► is probably the weakest security Apple has ever had in modern times for accessing

01:00:07 ◼   ► someone's personal information.

01:00:09 ◼   ► But from what I've heard of people who are there in person asking Apple

01:00:12 ◼   ► these questions, Apple's basically saying that like we are considering your home to be

01:00:18 ◼   ► a security domain that like if someone's inside your home and and you don't

01:00:21 ◼   ► want them to be, you know, um there's a follow-up item that we'll probably

01:00:24 ◼   ► have in the thing next week saying, you know, for a lot of people

01:00:28 ◼   ► Being in the same home doesn't necessarily mean that everyone who's in that home

01:00:32 ◼   ► is a safe person, right?

01:00:33 ◼   ► So keep this in mind when you are considering this product, because I feel

01:00:37 ◼   ► like it does give people in your home one of the easiest possible ways

01:00:43 ◼   ► to get at your stuff without being you.

01:00:46 ◼   ► I mean obviously they can just wait till your shower and steal your phone

01:00:48 ◼   ► or whatever, but like a lot of people are in in home situations where

01:00:51 ◼   ► they can't trust everyone who's with them.

01:00:53 ◼   ► This product is designed in a way that you mostly trust the people who

01:00:57 ◼   ► you're in the house with.

01:00:57 ◼   ► Now, the stinky little brother trying to see his sister's text, he could print

01:01:01 ◼   ► out a picture of her face and do that because you know she's gonna

01:01:03 ◼   ► be nearby with her phone and you know she's gonna have unlocked it recently

01:01:06 ◼   ► and you know she's gonna be on the home Wi-Fi and a picture will

01:01:09 ◼   ► fool the camera.

01:01:10 ◼   ► So I do wonder how this is gonna play out.

01:01:12 ◼   ► But in the end, if you don't put a face ID sensor on this

01:01:15 ◼   ► thing, this is basically your only choice to make it a useful product for

01:01:19 ◼   ► multiple people.

01:01:20 ◼   ► Um arguably Google's voice recognition is weaker because you can just make a deep

01:01:24 ◼   ► voice and it'll probably think you're me or whatever.

01:01:27 ◼   ► Um but I do I do worry about this aspect of the product.

01:01:30 ◼   ► I'm I'm not quite sure what they could have done otherwise.

01:01:32 ◼   ► Again, because if you want to sell for three hundred bucks, maybe you can't

01:01:34 ◼   ► put face ID, but it it does worry me a bit.

01:01:37 ◼   ► You know, I could have sworn during the commercial, the three minute commercial, not

01:01:41 ◼   ► the one and a half minute commercial, I could have sworn they implied that

01:01:45 ◼   ► there was voice recognition.

01:01:46 ◼   ► So we might have that wrong.

01:01:48 ◼   ► Yeah, there there might be, but again, voice recognition is also Like you just

01:01:51 ◼   ► record the person's voice and in my voice is my passport.

01:01:53 ◼   ► Verify me.

01:01:54 ◼   ► Like we know that's not

01:01:56 ◼   ► Marco gets it now.

01:01:57 ◼   ► I get it.

01:02:00 ◼   ► Also, John, you have a question in the show notes, which I concur with.

01:02:03 ◼   ► Why doesn't iPhone Duo, which also does not have face ID, do something similar

01:02:07 ◼   ► where the home location is like a second factor?

01:02:10 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:02:10 ◼   ► I mean so I think that's the reason why it doesn't like the the

01:02:13 ◼   ► the duo doesn't have face ID because it's not thick enough, okay?

01:02:15 ◼   ► Um but it has cameras, why doesn't just use them just like the home

01:02:18 ◼   ► view does?

01:02:19 ◼   ► Well, I hopefully I explained that with the home view thing of like that

01:02:21 ◼   ► is incredibly less secure than face ID, like up because you can just hold

01:02:24 ◼   ► up a picture of yourself.

01:02:25 ◼   ► And you could say, Well why doesn't the foo uh the iPhone duo just

01:02:28 ◼   ► do that when I'm at home?

01:02:29 ◼   ► Maybe that's arguable, but I do feel like getting like unlocking your phone is

01:02:34 ◼   ► still uh more invasive access than unlocking a home view, which can talk to

01:02:41 ◼   ► your phone.

01:02:41 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

01:02:42 ◼   ► Like the the phone is where all your stuff is once you've unlocked it

01:02:44 ◼   ► it.

01:02:45 ◼   ► So I wouldn't want to say even like a dual mode of like oh

01:02:48 ◼   ► geofenced when you're only at your home location, you can unlock your iPhone dual

01:02:51 ◼   ► with just your face and no face ID.

01:02:52 ◼   ► Like I don't think Apple would do that because the phone for everybody is

01:02:55 ◼   ► like that's the keys to the kingdom at this point for people in terms

01:02:58 ◼   ► of security.

01:02:58 ◼   ► Whereas I feel like the home view is not.

01:03:01 ◼   ► Depending on how much access you have to people's personal data from HomeView, maybe

01:03:04 ◼   ► via Sear AI, we'll again we'll see when people get this, because I'm sure

01:03:07 ◼   ► somebody will try the experiment.

01:03:09 ◼   ► What if I hold up a picture of you, unlock home view?

01:03:11 ◼   ► How much stuff can I exfiltrate from home view while you sit on the

01:03:14 ◼   ► couch without you knowing it.

01:03:15 ◼   ► By asking CRAI questions like what did they say to this person or show

01:03:19 ◼   ► me this message this conversation or or you know, what is the password to

01:03:22 ◼   ► this website?

01:03:23 ◼   ► Something like that.

01:03:24 ◼   ► So we'll see how that goes.

01:03:25 ◼   ► I wonder if it'll like, you know, tap the phone of the person like

01:03:29 ◼   ► as it's responding or like somehow use the phone to notify you like, hey,

01:03:32 ◼   ► I'm talking about you.

01:03:33 ◼   ► For some reason you're not using me.

01:03:35 ◼   ► Hey.

01:03:36 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

01:03:37 ◼   ► Or like, I mean, I don't it I don't know.

01:03:39 ◼   ► It's this would have been good if we were like, does it use ultra

01:03:42 ◼   ► wideband to do like you have to be next to the thing?

01:03:44 ◼   ► I don't think they said that, but like, yeah, we'll we'll see when people

01:03:47 ◼   ► get this and start trying to break it what the actual security barriers are.

01:03:50 ◼   ► But um again with the follow up item that hopefully next week, there is

01:03:54 ◼   ► always a trade-off between convenience and security.

01:03:56 ◼   ► And you have to try to figure out where that bounces.

01:03:58 ◼   ► And for products like this, it's really difficult, especially when you're confined to a

01:04:01 ◼   ► size and a price that doesn't all you to pull out all the security

01:04:04 ◼   ► stops that you have for your fancier devices.

01:04:07 ◼   ► With regard to AI, as we mentioned, personal context requests require a paired Apple

01:04:12 ◼   ► intelligence enabled iPhone or iPad running the latest software version with Siri AI turned

01:04:16 ◼   ► on and set to this to a supported language.

01:04:18 ◼   ► For installation, uh they've said uh particularly for the Walmart mount stuff, that you

01:04:23 ◼   ► can have ADT, which is an American like alarm company, uh do professional installation.

01:04:29 ◼   ► You can receive more information and self service support content with your order confirmation,

01:04:33 ◼   ► says Apple.

01:04:34 ◼   ► I I really would love to know how much this is gonna cost.

01:04:36 ◼   ► Again, it may be more than double the price of the thing that you

01:04:39 ◼   ► buy, but yeah, someone will come to your house and help you install it

01:04:42 ◼   ► for a lot of money, I'm sure.

01:04:44 ◼   ► Uh finally, availability.

01:04:45 ◼   ► You can pre-order right now.

01:04:47 ◼   ► It is in store on the thirteenth of November.

01:04:49 ◼   ► Uh Apple says homeview is not available for s for sale in the European

01:04:52 ◼   ► Union as Siri AI is currently unavailable in IOS in the EU.

01:04:56 ◼   ► Apple's working constructively with the EU in an attempt to find a path forward.

01:05:01 ◼   ► Steve Drown Smith was uh uh cranking online today saying that you know, uh

01:05:05 ◼   ► that Europe didn't get the home pod either until like uh a long time

01:05:08 ◼   ► after it was released, and even then it was only in five countries.

01:05:11 ◼   ► So a lot of the a lot of these home products

01:05:16 ◼   ► Apparently not going to Europe even before the the whole series.

01:05:20 ◼   ► But yeah.

01:05:21 ◼   ► Um software is a hold up on a lot of these.

01:05:23 ◼   ► Also people asking, like, why do we have to wait till November 13th to

01:05:25 ◼   ► get this?

01:05:26 ◼   ► You said they were manufactured in twenty twenty four.

01:05:28 ◼   ► It's been um done forever.

01:05:29 ◼   ► I think it needs like the 27.2 OS to be out everywhere.

01:05:32 ◼   ► So this product is still waiting on software.

01:05:34 ◼   ► Even at this late date, even though they've announced it, you still have to

01:05:37 ◼   ► wait to I assume 27.2 to be out everywhere.

01:05:40 ◼   ► All right.

01:05:41 ◼   ► Anything else for home view?

01:05:42 ◼   ► Actually, let me let me finish this up perhaps by asking, have either of

01:05:46 ◼   ► you ordered one?

01:05:48 ◼   ► Of course.

01:05:49 ◼   ► Um I didn't think Marco was gonna get one because he's been so down

01:05:52 ◼   ► on home pods.

01:05:53 ◼   ► Well, I'm down on home pods, but I still have them all over my

01:05:56 ◼   ► house.

01:05:57 ◼   ► Um the only the only person I've ever seen who has more home pods

01:06:00 ◼   ► in their house is John Gruber.

01:06:02 ◼   ► Like his house, he bas they might as well be like, you know, holding

01:06:05 ◼   ► up benches and stuff.

01:06:06 ◼   ► Like they're just everywhere.

01:06:07 ◼   ► Um but no, I I have a lot of home pods because they are

01:06:12 ◼   ► very good at certain things and they're just really crappy in lots of other

01:06:16 ◼   ► ways.

01:06:17 ◼   ► Um like in almost every workout we do, it's at some point the home

01:06:22 ◼   ► pod in TIF Studio says, hm

01:06:25 ◼   ► like it's they're just so mediocre in so many ways.

01:06:29 ◼   ► It's like having little little uh little pets around that talk to you sometimes.

01:06:32 ◼   ► Right, that that always think they're being talked to and say, hmm?

01:06:35 ◼   ► Yeah?

01:06:35 ◼   ► Yes?

01:06:36 ◼   ► Um anyway, uh but I also use one like to play music while I'm

01:06:40 ◼   ► in the shower every day.

01:06:42 ◼   ► So like I do I do like home pods sometimes in some cases.

01:06:47 ◼   ► They're very good sometimes.

01:06:48 ◼   ► And I think this if it is good, and if it holds up to

01:06:53 ◼   ► the promises and if it is anything like the commercial they made for it,

01:06:58 ◼   ► that will actually be really useful in our kitchen.

01:07:01 ◼   ► Not necessarily because of all the like you know, family asking about their text

01:07:05 ◼   ► from their boyfriends, much more about just it being a nice speaker with a

01:07:11 ◼   ► screen to show timers and the time and the weather and stuff.

01:07:15 ◼   ► All that other stuff like, I don't think we're actually we would actually use

01:07:18 ◼   ► that stuff that much, but just being what this was rumored to be, a

01:07:23 ◼   ► home pod with a screen.

01:07:25 ◼   ► That's actually pretty interesting and pretty compelling.

01:07:29 ◼   ► If it works.

01:07:30 ◼   ► But here's the problem with that.

01:07:34 ◼   ► The home pod doesn't work that well at a lot of this stuff.

01:07:38 ◼   ► It never has.

01:07:41 ◼   ► Siri, as Casey breezed by earlier,

01:07:45 ◼   ► it has gotten better.

01:07:46 ◼   ► It's Siri AI now is a totally different beast than old Siri.

01:07:51 ◼   ► It is way more capable.

01:07:53 ◼   ► It can do way more stuff.

01:07:54 ◼   ► It is significantly improved in most ways.

01:07:59 ◼   ► However, it is slow.

01:08:02 ◼   ► It's really slow.

01:08:04 ◼   ► Sure is.

01:08:05 ◼   ► When I was developing Unforgetful over over the, you know, the spring and, you

01:08:08 ◼   ► know, I thought it was it was you know, I I thought I had

01:08:11 ◼   ► one thing in mind for it.

01:08:12 ◼   ► Um and then when I started using the the iOS twenty seven betas in

01:08:17 ◼   ► the summer and macOS twenty seven betas, but especially iOS, I started using, you

01:08:22 ◼   ► know, Siri AI and beta, and I noticed how incredibly slow and cumbersome it

01:08:28 ◼   ► was to create reminders with Siri.

01:08:31 ◼   ► And at first I thought, crap, here I am making an app that's all

01:08:36 ◼   ► about how useful it is to capture reminders from Siri.

01:08:40 ◼   ► And I and I was relying on this thing that was fine for a

01:08:44 ◼   ► long time.

01:08:45 ◼   ► And this summer I think it got way, way worse.

01:08:48 ◼   ► Because there's two huge problems with using Siri with using Siri AI for reminders.

01:08:53 ◼   ► Number one, it's very, very, very slow.

01:08:56 ◼   ► Number two, it constantly asks, like, you know, you buy milk.

01:09:01 ◼   ► Did you say try silk or buy I said buy milk.

01:09:05 ◼   ► Did you say try silk or no, I said buy milk.

01:09:09 ◼   ► Did you say ah and then you eventually just give up and do something

01:09:12 ◼   ► else.

01:09:12 ◼   ► I remember it also asked you which app you want to use.

01:09:14 ◼   ► Yes, well it apparently it will eventually learn and and stop asking.

01:09:19 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:09:20 ◼   ► I don't know why.

01:09:21 ◼   ► I always give the same answer.

01:09:22 ◼   ► And God forbid there be a UI somewhere to just let you pick.

01:09:25 ◼   ► You know, but I just think it's always gonna be reminders.

01:09:27 ◼   ► Just do it.

01:09:28 ◼   ► It th you know they're they're very conservative with their settings screen and the

01:09:31 ◼   ► settings app, John.

01:09:32 ◼   ► They don't like to stag me kinda uh uh you know, I think it's

01:09:35 ◼   ► over fifty percent of the time it asks me now.

01:09:36 ◼   ► It's madness.

01:09:37 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:09:37 ◼   ► Anyway, uh so what I turn that into a a positive for Unforgettable because

01:09:42 ◼   ► I'm like, well Now I'm gonna build in fast dictation.

01:09:45 ◼   ► And that's why like Unforgetful didn't have dictation until like July.

01:09:50 ◼   ► The reason I added that like almost at the last minute was because I'm

01:09:53 ◼   ► like, this is there's an opportunity here because Siri in 27 is gonna be

01:09:57 ◼   ► so incredibly slow for everyone.

01:10:00 ◼   ► Dictating into Unforgettable with its little microphone buttons that I let you put all

01:10:03 ◼   ► over your system, you know, lock screen, control center, widgets, everything.

01:10:07 ◼   ► It's so much faster.

01:10:08 ◼   ► And what that's what I've been doing.

01:10:09 ◼   ► Like all summer, whenever Siri would frustrate me and ask me over and over

01:10:13 ◼   ► and over again, with huge long delays between each one, what I actually meant

01:10:18 ◼   ► by a phrase that I said all the time that worked fine before Siri

01:10:21 ◼   ► AI.

01:10:21 ◼   ► Um I just go tap the unforgetful thing and I say, you know, tomorrow

01:10:25 ◼   ► buy milk.

01:10:25 ◼   ► Done.

01:10:25 ◼   ► And it's so fast.

01:10:27 ◼   ► It create like I saw that as a huge opportunity for me.

01:10:29 ◼   ► The rest of the world, I don't think, has discovered Unforgetful's wonderfulness in this

01:10:32 ◼   ► regard yet.

01:10:33 ◼   ► But I I assure I assure you.

01:10:35 ◼   ► Anyway,

01:10:36 ◼   ► the home view I'm getting there.

01:10:40 ◼   ► The home view is going to have that same problem in that it's relying

01:10:46 ◼   ► on Siri AI, which is very capable most of the time, and it does

01:10:52 ◼   ► have a lot more that it can tell you eventually.

01:10:57 ◼   ► And it it can take more actions and apps, and it is very impressive

01:11:02 ◼   ► often.

01:11:03 ◼   ► But it's so slow.

01:11:05 ◼   ► And this has always been the problem that the home pod had.

01:11:07 ◼   ► You know, the the original home pod with you know original Siri and you

01:11:10 ◼   ► know and the version two and everything.

01:11:12 ◼   ► Siri has always been like able to do things that are fairly impressive for

01:11:19 ◼   ► its time, but it just never did them quickly or reliably.

01:11:23 ◼   ► Will this be any different?

01:11:26 ◼   ► Is this also going to be slow and unreliable?

01:11:30 ◼   ► I don't think we can really say for with confidence that this is gonna

01:11:35 ◼   ► blow us away in that regard.

01:11:37 ◼   ► And will it consistently do it?

01:11:40 ◼   ► And then also, Apple has a history of making home products, like you know,

01:11:47 ◼   ► both home kit and the home app itself, and also home pods.

01:11:52 ◼   ► Both of those Apple kinda puts something out there and then neglects it for

01:11:56 ◼   ► years.

01:11:57 ◼   ► It just withers and dies of neglect because Apple just can't be bothered to

01:12:02 ◼   ► do anything to improve it.

01:12:04 ◼   ► Why would this be any different?

01:12:05 ◼   ► This is HomeKit and a HomePod combined.

01:12:10 ◼   ► So this product, the way it looks in the video, the way it is

01:12:14 ◼   ► sold on Apple's website, the way like the promise of this product is strong.

01:12:19 ◼   ► I think if this product works well and Apple keeps supporting it, And it

01:12:26 ◼   ► actually doesn't a lot of bugs.

01:12:28 ◼   ► And Siri gets fast and is responsive and has a high success rate with

01:12:33 ◼   ► what you ask it.

01:12:34 ◼   ► This could be really great.

01:12:36 ◼   ► But Apple has not shown a strong track record in any of those areas.

01:12:41 ◼   ► So I have a really hard time believing in it long term.

01:12:45 ◼   ► I think the uh the slowness is actually slightly more tolerable for a thing

01:12:49 ◼   ► that you're not like taking out of your pocket or your phone, like because

01:12:52 ◼   ► it's ambient, you can just kind of shout it and if it takes a

01:12:55 ◼   ► little while, as long as I hear the confirm I mean, I do this

01:12:57 ◼   ► with my like Google Home thing.

01:12:58 ◼   ► As long as I hear the confirmation says, Okay, timer is set for twenty

01:13:01 ◼   ► minutes starting now.

01:13:02 ◼   ► Like as long as I hear that within a few seconds, I yeah it

01:13:06 ◼   ► is slow, but I'm it.

01:13:07 ◼   ► Whereas when I do it on my phone and I'm watching those stupid little

01:13:10 ◼   ► white, little leafy things rotate in a circle, I'm like come on, come on,

01:13:13 ◼   ► come on.

01:13:13 ◼   ► So maybe the speed will be more tolerable.

01:13:15 ◼   ► And in terms of speed, like what does the what does the big home

01:13:18 ◼   ► pod have?

01:13:19 ◼   ► It has some like ancient watch chip in it or something?

01:13:21 ◼   ► Um, I think it has like an like yeah, like an S seven or

01:13:23 ◼   ► something or I mean this has got an A eighteen in it, which it

01:13:26 ◼   ► should be a big step up from the other things that we use to

01:13:30 ◼   ► talk to, the home pod mini and the big home pod, which are just

01:13:33 ◼   ► massively underpowered.

01:13:34 ◼   ► I mean eight gigs isn't a lot, but still an A eighteen gives me

01:13:36 ◼   ► some hope that this will approach the speed of your phone, which again to

01:13:39 ◼   ► your point, Marco, the phone is slower now.

01:13:41 ◼   ► Right.

01:13:41 ◼   ► So if if if my iPhone eighteen pro is slow when I talk to

01:13:43 ◼   ► it, this thing sure as hell isn't gonna be faster.

01:13:45 ◼   ► But I do feel like my tolerance for slowness, as long as it eventually

01:13:50 ◼   ► gets the job done, is higher for a thing that is not my phone

01:13:53 ◼   ► that's in my hand now, because I can do it as I wander around.

01:13:57 ◼   ► Um as for getting one of these, uh yeah, I got one.

01:14:00 ◼   ► Uh I mean if it wasn't three if it was like five ninety nine,

01:14:04 ◼   ► I wouldn't have got one.

01:14:05 ◼   ► Um but at three hundred bucks, definitely.

01:14:07 ◼   ► It was like I have a place for this to go where my other

01:14:09 ◼   ► things where the where the my other little robots are or my other little

01:14:12 ◼   ► R2 D2 things.

01:14:13 ◼   ► I have a an Amazon Echo thing, I have a Google Home thing, and

01:14:17 ◼   ► this is gonna be right next to it.

01:14:18 ◼   ► It's the only one with a screen because I heard from everybody's horror stories

01:14:21 ◼   ► about buying the Amazon Echo and I was just festooned with ads and it's

01:14:25 ◼   ► disgusting.

01:14:25 ◼   ► And uh my home is not, I don't have a home automation stuff, so

01:14:29 ◼   ► I didn't really want to get a Google home one that has a screen

01:14:31 ◼   ► on it or whatever.

01:14:32 ◼   ► But this thing, yeah, I'm gonna give it a try.

01:14:34 ◼   ► Like everyone in my house has an Apple account, I'll put them all on

01:14:37 ◼   ► the thing, they all have iPhones.

01:14:38 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

01:14:39 ◼   ► I have a place where it's gonna go.

01:14:41 ◼   ► Uh yeah, I have uh I mean I have medium hopes for this product.

01:14:46 ◼   ► Um What color did you get, by the way, Marco?

01:14:49 ◼   ► I got pink because where I'm going to put it in our kitchen, pink

01:14:53 ◼   ► would be the best color to fit in with our kitchen decor.

01:14:56 ◼   ► Nice.

01:14:56 ◼   ► But and honestly I I kind of do wish they would have had like

01:14:59 ◼   ► a little bit better colors like you know the sp silver, space gray, pink

01:15:04 ◼   ► and beige are Apple's like most old, boring default aluminum like those are that's

01:15:10 ◼   ► at this point, that's the penalty colors for like a low-end crappy product in

01:15:14 ◼   ► Apple's lineup.

01:15:15 ◼   ► That's like, you know, if the Apple Watch SE gets an update, that's a

01:15:19 ◼   ► low-end iPad, that's what you'd expect.

01:15:21 ◼   ► Like it's that's like that's Apple's low-end colors.

01:15:23 ◼   ► So I I was kind of disappointed by those.

01:15:25 ◼   ► Well, I mean I just th I think this thing is just physically larger.

01:15:28 ◼   ► Like I know they do really bold colors in the in the home pod

01:15:30 ◼   ► mini as like a fashion type thing but that is I feel like that's

01:15:33 ◼   ► less physically imposing than this thing with the its upright nature in the screen.

01:15:38 ◼   ► So like I kind of understand why they went with you know various dim

01:15:42 ◼   ► shades of silver for this.

01:15:43 ◼   ► But like why not use like like more of an IMAC treatment on it?

01:15:45 ◼   ► Like the IMAX look decent.

01:15:47 ◼   ► I mean it might stand out too much.

01:15:48 ◼   ► I I just got the space gray one because or I I don't even

01:15:51 ◼   ► remember.

01:15:51 ◼   ► I either got the silver or the space gray.

01:15:52 ◼   ► I got one of those two to fit in with neutral stuff.

01:15:55 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:15:56 ◼   ► Uh Casey you continue to uh uh be boycotting this uh entire product category.

01:16:00 ◼   ► I guess you're just so so wed to Sonos that like Sonos is my

01:16:03 ◼   ► thing around the house that makes sound that I talk to and you don't

01:16:06 ◼   ► have a place for anything else like that in your life.

01:16:08 ◼   ► I think it's yeah, it's a little bit of both.

01:16:10 ◼   ► Um I I'm not I I I'm anti home pod because that does things

01:16:17 ◼   ► or I'm trying to say like seven different things.

01:16:19 ◼   ► It conflicts with the Sono stuff.

01:16:20 ◼   ► It conflicts with the Sono stuff because I generally play things using the Sono.

01:16:24 ◼   ► Sonos app.

01:16:25 ◼   ► Obviously I could airplay and I could mix and match, you know, Sonos and

01:16:29 ◼   ► HomePods, but I just I don't personally really get anything out of the home

01:16:34 ◼   ► pods.

01:16:34 ◼   ► Like they don't really do anything for me.

01:16:36 ◼   ► And I really like my Sonos.

01:16:37 ◼   ► My Sono stuff.

01:16:38 ◼   ► Um, with regard to home view, I have never, ever, ever had a screen

01:16:43 ◼   ► thing in the kitchen.

01:16:45 ◼   ► I just haven't and it's just not something I feel like our family needs

01:16:49 ◼   ► or wants.

01:16:50 ◼   ► Um, At $300, I consider this within the realm of not an impulse purchase.

01:16:55 ◼   ► That's dramatic, but like something I could give it a whirl, and it would

01:16:59 ◼   ► not be financially ruinous to do so.

01:17:01 ◼   ► But I I literally do not know where I would physically put this in

01:17:06 ◼   ► my house.

01:17:06 ◼   ► My house That's the big thing about these products.

01:17:08 ◼   ► Like I did actually think about that before I just immediately ordered this.

01:17:11 ◼   ► Like, do I have a place to put this?

01:17:12 ◼   ► Because you do need that.

01:17:13 ◼   ► Otherwise, like what are you gonna do?

01:17:16 ◼   ► Right, exactly.

01:17:17 ◼   ► And I mean, I'm sure we could stick it on like the edge of

01:17:19 ◼   ► the kitchen counter, but in in my house, I think by square footage

01:17:23 ◼   ► by square footage I think is a bit bigger than John's, but it's not

01:17:26 ◼   ► a particularly large house.

01:17:28 ◼   ► And I I I just don't feel like we have extra space for this,

01:17:32 ◼   ► nor do we have a particular need for it.

01:17:34 ◼   ► I'm not opposed to it.

01:17:35 ◼   ► I think it's a cool product.

01:17:37 ◼   ► It looks neat.

01:17:38 ◼   ► I can see how one would enjoy it, but it's I don't think it's

01:17:41 ◼   ► for me.

01:17:41 ◼   ► And I think you'd be more likely to get one of these if you

01:17:44 ◼   ► ever like went all in on home kit and then you'd get the wall

01:17:46 ◼   ► mounted one.

01:17:47 ◼   ► Potentially.

01:17:48 ◼   ► And I did think about that because with home assistance Ooh, you could have

01:17:50 ◼   ► Stephen Hackett wired into your wall for you.

01:17:54 ◼   ► Right, right, right.

01:17:55 ◼   ► Uh no, I've uh I uh I have all pretty much everything that's in

01:18:00 ◼   ► Home Assistant, um uh not echoed, but like presented in HomeKit as well.

01:18:05 ◼   ► And I actually I would say me personally, 5050, I you know, half the

01:18:09 ◼   ► time I'm home assistant to control things and half the time I'm using um

01:18:13 ◼   ► the home app for Erin or occasionally the children, it's the home app.

01:18:19 ◼   ► Um so it is potentially useful.

01:18:21 ◼   ► Um, but I don't I just I I I do have a space in

01:18:24 ◼   ► the kitchen actually just above and slightly to the left, annoyingly, of my status

01:18:28 ◼   ► board.

01:18:29 ◼   ► Uh where I could hypothetically put this.

01:18:32 ◼   ► We have a not used RJ11 telephone socket uh box in the wall.

01:18:37 ◼   ► It's not centered on the wall annoyingly.

01:18:39 ◼   ► So that would be a little weird.

01:18:41 ◼   ► Um, but I I just I I I don't personally feel like there this

01:18:46 ◼   ► is something I need.

01:18:47 ◼   ► And with regard to audio, our kitchen kind of blends in with the living

01:18:51 ◼   ► room.

01:18:52 ◼   ► Again, don't it I'm making this sound like we have some freaking mansion.

01:18:55 ◼   ► It's not, it's like two twenty two hundred square foot house.

01:18:57 ◼   ► It's really unremarkable.

01:18:58 ◼   ► But anyways, the the Sonos Arc Ultra that's in the living room is plenty

01:19:02 ◼   ► of oomph to get music into the kitchen.

01:19:04 ◼   ► So I don't feel like I need an additional speaker there.

01:19:07 ◼   ► If I did.

01:19:07 ◼   ► I would get a Sono speaker anyway.

01:19:09 ◼   ► So it's just, it's not something for me.

01:19:12 ◼   ► I'm not saying it's a bad product.

01:19:13 ◼   ► I think it's very clever product.

01:19:15 ◼   ► And I think it is very appealing and very cute looking, be it wall-mounted

01:19:18 ◼   ► or R2D2.

01:19:19 ◼   ► Um, there's a lot to like about it.

01:19:21 ◼   ► I just don't feel like I have a place for it in my life.

01:19:23 ◼   ► Yeah, I think for for audio purposes, one of the I think one of

01:19:28 ◼   ► the biggest uh downsides of this for audio is that if you are filling

01:19:32 ◼   ► even a modestly sized room, like i look if you if it's going in

01:19:35 ◼   ► your bathroom, put whatever.

01:19:37 ◼   ► But this is not a bathroom product.

01:19:38 ◼   ► Um although it would be nice to see the times.

01:19:41 ◼   ► Anyway, uh I don't think it's waterproof.

01:19:42 ◼   ► Don't don't put in your bathroom.

01:19:44 ◼   ► Well, none of them are waterproof, but um If you're f if you're filling

01:19:48 ◼   ► like a a modestly sized or large room,

01:19:51 ◼   ► historically with the home pods, you really want a stereo pair.

01:19:55 ◼   ► Even with even if you just get two minis, that's still way better than

01:19:59 ◼   ► one of of anything.

01:20:01 ◼   ► Um and you know, you put space them out a little bit on the

01:20:03 ◼   ► countertop or on a table or whatever.

01:20:04 ◼   ► Like a stereo pair is very, very good for any of these speakers.

01:20:10 ◼   ► The I don't think this can do that.

01:20:12 ◼   ► Did they say anywhere?

01:20:13 ◼   ► Um I I don't think it would make sense to have like you know

01:20:16 ◼   ► a left a left screen and a right screen.

01:20:19 ◼   ► Yeah, right.

01:20:20 ◼   ► Um so I think for straight up for audio purposes, this is probably wrong.

01:20:24 ◼   ► But also I think for audio purposes like that's more like a living room

01:20:29 ◼   ► situation.

01:20:29 ◼   ► Whereas this seems really like a kitchen device.

01:20:32 ◼   ► This is like i this this should go on your kitchen counter, like or

01:20:36 ◼   ► wherever like whatever is like the hub of your house.

01:20:39 ◼   ► Maybe it's like, you know, your entryway if you have like a like You

01:20:42 ◼   ► know, a hallway that everyone comes and goes through.

01:20:44 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:20:45 ◼   ► But um I this to me this is a kitchen device.

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01:23:00 ◼   ► show, the Apple TV 4K generation four, I think, something like that.

01:23:08 ◼   ► Um this is a brand new Apple TV, and I want to get this

01:23:14 ◼   ► out of the way and be done with it so we can talk about

01:23:17 ◼   ► happy things.

01:23:19 ◼   ► How the f is this thing $300?

01:23:22 ◼   ► I mean, it makes perfect sense, but it is it is such an amazing

01:23:24 ◼   ► contrast.

01:23:25 ◼   ► We just got done talking about a product with exactly the same price.

01:23:28 ◼   ► And we're like, wow, look how affordable this is.

01:23:30 ◼   ► It's much less than we thought it was going to be.

01:23:31 ◼   ► Now we're going to go to another product.

01:23:33 ◼   ► Same exact price.

01:23:34 ◼   ► Everyone hates it.

01:23:35 ◼   ► And now here's the thing.

01:23:36 ◼   ► I had to look this up because I hadn't been keeping up with Apple

01:23:38 ◼   ► TV prices.

01:23:39 ◼   ► Cauld I?

01:23:39 ◼   ► I was waiting for the new one just like Casey.

01:23:42 ◼   ► But the previous Apple TB4K, it is annoying they all have the same name,

01:23:45 ◼   ► but they do have that generation and whatever in parentheses.

01:23:47 ◼   ► The previous Apple TB4K had been increased in price to 200 bucks for the

01:23:52 ◼   ► one with 64 gigs in Wi-Fi and 250 for the one twenty eight gig

01:23:57 ◼   ► and Wi Fi plus Ethernet.

01:23:58 ◼   ► So already, while I was not paying attention because of, you know, the world

01:24:02 ◼   ► and AI absorbing everything, all RAM and inflation and whatever, the the the biggest

01:24:07 ◼   ► Apple TV was already 250 bucks.

01:24:10 ◼   ► And so now when this one is 300, it's like, how is this 300

01:24:13 ◼   ► bucks?

01:24:13 ◼   ► It was already 250.

01:24:15 ◼   ► Now people are complaining because like, well, no one buys that one.

01:24:17 ◼   ► Why would only stupid people will buy that one?

01:24:19 ◼   ► Who needs Ethernet on their Apple TV?

01:24:20 ◼   ► And who the hell needs storage?

01:24:21 ◼   ► What the hell is it even used for?

01:24:22 ◼   ► Every Everyone buys this cheaper one, and the cheaper one was a hundred bucks

01:24:25 ◼   ► less.

01:24:26 ◼   ► It was 200.

01:24:26 ◼   ► Like I get that.

01:24:28 ◼   ► But how is this 300 bucks?

01:24:30 ◼   ► Because, as we'll see in a second, they decided to only make one, and

01:24:35 ◼   ► it's the big one, and it's Wi-Fi and Ethernet at 128 gigs.

01:24:39 ◼   ► And so that's what they've done.

01:24:40 ◼   ► Like they're clearly choosing their market for this.

01:24:43 ◼   ► Hey, are you in the market for an affordable streaming box?

01:24:46 ◼   ► Apple TV was never it, and now it's really not it.

01:24:49 ◼   ► Remember, like you do you want a a uh you know an affordable thing

01:24:53 ◼   ► that you can stream on your TV?

01:24:55 ◼   ► Don't come into the store.

01:24:56 ◼   ► We have nothing for you.

01:24:57 ◼   ► This is not the product for you.

01:24:59 ◼   ► On the flip side of that, did they make it into like a modern

01:25:02 ◼   ► replacement for the NVIDIA shield?

01:25:04 ◼   ► No they did not.

01:25:06 ◼   ► It is not a super massive, powerful thing that does high frame rate and

01:25:09 ◼   ► has all these amazing features and has audio pass-through.

01:25:11 ◼   ► That is also not this.

01:25:13 ◼   ► So everyone is pissed.

01:25:14 ◼   ► The high-end people are pissed, not because it's 300 bucks, but because it doesn't

01:25:17 ◼   ► have features befitting a 300 bucks streaming box and everyone else is pissed because

01:25:21 ◼   ► like I never would buy an Apple TV for 300 bucks.

01:25:24 ◼   ► Who the hell buys an Apple TV for 300 bucks?

01:25:26 ◼   ► And so yeah, much sadness about the price from all sides.

01:25:30 ◼   ► It's it's real bad.

01:25:31 ◼   ► Like I I bought one I'll

01:25:33 ◼   ► I bought one too.

01:25:34 ◼   ► That's the thing about the price.

01:25:35 ◼   ► I said it the last time we talked about this.

01:25:37 ◼   ► As as overpriced as the Apple TV is, because it is the way I

01:25:42 ◼   ► watch like I would sadly I would pay hundreds more to avoid having to

01:25:47 ◼   ► use a Fire TV stick or a Google TV stick or any of those

01:25:50 ◼   ► because they're worse.

01:25:52 ◼   ► It doesn't make this one any better, to be clear.

01:25:54 ◼   ► I'm saying, oh, it's worth it, but this one is so good.

01:25:56 ◼   ► It just happens to be the best of a very bad bunch.

01:26:00 ◼   ► And if they ever stop making this product, like what would we all do?

01:26:03 ◼   ► Would we go try to find the most expensive Google TV thing filled with

01:26:06 ◼   ► ads and crap?

01:26:07 ◼   ► Like and to be clear, Apple's TV flu pr product is also becoming filled

01:26:11 ◼   ► with ads.

01:26:12 ◼   ► The other day I paused something on my Apple TV and it put an

01:26:14 ◼   ► ad up on the pause screen.

01:26:16 ◼   ► So Apple is getting worse here too.

01:26:18 ◼   ► But still, among all the players, Apple TV is still, with the possible exception

01:26:24 ◼   ► of the ancient what seven-year-old Nvidia Shield, which is like an NVIDIA stringing box

01:26:28 ◼   ► they made back in the day that has a ton of features.

01:26:31 ◼   ► I'm glad they're still making this.

01:26:33 ◼   ► And I bought one even though it's 300 bucks.

01:26:35 ◼   ► I don't like the price, but I'm But I would still rather have this

01:26:39 ◼   ► than any other product.

01:26:40 ◼   ► And so I I think Apple kinda knows they have us over a barrel