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00:00:00 ◼   ► What are you talking to us through right now?

00:00:02 ◼   ► Oh uh yeah.

00:00:03 ◼   ► So uh if you've noticed that the uh the tone of my voice is

00:00:07 ◼   ► colder and not as warm as it used to be, that's the sound of

00:00:12 ◼   ► an ARM CPU Intel just had that extra that extra warmth.

00:00:17 ◼   ► Extra soul that's just just missing from these modern ARM CPUs.

00:00:20 ◼   ► All right.

00:00:21 ◼   ► Well, I am I'm excited for you.

00:00:22 ◼   ► I'm on my new computer.

00:00:23 ◼   ► Uh if this recording goes wrong, you know, um what the last one I

00:00:27 ◼   ► just realized the the big Mac Pro that's still sitting next to me I

00:00:30 ◼   ► had for more than half of the life of the show.

00:00:33 ◼   ► For like six years.

00:00:35 ◼   ► I think so, right?

00:00:36 ◼   ► Wow.

00:00:36 ◼   ► I I mean that sounds right, yeah.

00:00:39 ◼   ► Um and it is uh served me well during those seven years, but uh

00:00:42 ◼   ► my microphone is now plugged into a new computer.

00:00:45 ◼   ► Oh.

00:00:45 ◼   ► We're gonna talk about this more later.

00:00:47 ◼   ► This is the saddest sound of you getting a new computer I've ever heard.

00:00:51 ◼   ► Like it's just a tied me over computer.

00:00:54 ◼   ► I know, but like it's also a huge upgrade.

00:00:57 ◼   ► Like are you able are you able to like feel happy about this?

00:01:01 ◼   ► Do you enjoy it?

00:01:02 ◼   ► Does it feel fast?

00:01:03 ◼   ► Does it feel good?

00:01:04 ◼   ► Oh yeah, no, I'm well I mean the whole I I'll talk about it

00:01:06 ◼   ► when we get to our all our new products, but the whole household is

00:01:09 ◼   ► happy because now I no longer need to hog my wife's computer to do

00:01:12 ◼   ► dev work.

00:01:13 ◼   ► And so everybody there is much happiness in the house about this.

00:01:17 ◼   ► She bought it for you here, please.

00:01:19 ◼   ► Yes.

00:01:19 ◼   ► Well I'm very excited for you.

00:01:21 ◼   ► Uh when you had told us in Slack I don't know a day or

00:01:24 ◼   ► two back that you were starting your migration, which we will talk about later

00:01:28 ◼   ► in the show, uh Marco and I our immediate reaction was it's the end

00:01:33 ◼   ► of an era.

00:01:33 ◼   ► And again, as much as I poke fun at you, John, I I know

00:01:36 ◼   ► how much you love that computer and I it it pains me to be

00:01:39 ◼   ► serious and to be kind with you about this because I love making fun

00:01:42 ◼   ► of you for it so much.

00:01:43 ◼   ► But I know how much you loved the Tower Mac Pro and I know

00:01:46 ◼   ► how sad you are that you do not have a spiritual replacement or maybe

00:01:50 ◼   ► at best you do have a spiritual replacement, but certainly not a more literal

00:01:53 ◼   ► replacement.

00:01:54 ◼   ► And so uh it did serve you well.

00:01:56 ◼   ► It was very expensive, but you got a lot of use out of it.

00:01:59 ◼   ► And I am sad.

00:02:00 ◼   ► I am genuinely sad for your loss.

00:02:01 ◼   ► Although I'm excited for you to join what is it, five years ago, six

00:02:05 ◼   ► years ago, whatever it was.

00:02:07 ◼   ► Uh so I'm I'm happy for you, even if you sound slightly morose.

00:02:12 ◼   ► It is still September as we record this.

00:02:15 ◼   ► There's a bit of September left.

00:02:17 ◼   ► And actually, this month, believe it or not, or this year, September actually goes

00:02:20 ◼   ► into October.

00:02:21 ◼   ► And we're gonna talk about that in a second.

00:02:22 ◼   ► But September is Childhood Cancer Awareness Month.

00:02:26 ◼   ► And that means it is time for ATP to work in concert with Relay

00:02:32 ◼   ► and with St.

00:02:32 ◼   ► Jude Children's Research Hospital to try to raise money for St.

00:02:36 ◼   ► Jude.

00:02:37 ◼   ► Uh St.

00:02:37 ◼   ► Jude, I hope by now you're familiar, but like I said, they're a children's

00:02:41 ◼   ► research hospital and they do incredible, incredible work to try to meet their mission

00:02:46 ◼   ► of no child dying in the dawn of their life.

00:02:49 ◼   ► And generally speaking, that relates to childhood cancer, but it's Exclusively cancer.

00:02:53 ◼   ► They do all sorts of absolutely banana stuff.

00:02:57 ◼   ► And one of the many things that they offered for us to talk about,

00:03:00 ◼   ► although we could say whatever we want, but one of one of the things

00:03:03 ◼   ► they offered was that St.

00:03:04 ◼   ► Judas produced 18 of the world's most highly cited scientists in November 2025.

00:03:09 ◼   ► The 2025 list of highly cited researchers recognized 18 St.

00:03:12 ◼   ► Jude scientists as among the world's most impactful, the most in St.

00:03:15 ◼   ► Jude history.

00:03:16 ◼   ► These researchers authored multiple scientific papers ranging in the top, excuse me, ranking in

00:03:21 ◼   ► the top one part 1% by citations for their fields for roughly 10 years.

00:03:25 ◼   ► This is a small example of how I know we have a very international

00:03:29 ◼   ► audience, and I'm very glad for that.

00:03:31 ◼   ► But it would be a reasonable conclusion to say, oh, well St.

00:03:34 ◼   ► Jude is in America and their healthcare system is barely a system, which yes

00:03:38 ◼   ► and yes, but why does that help me?

00:03:41 ◼   ► says the person not in America.

00:03:43 ◼   ► Well, it's for things like this.

00:03:44 ◼   ► It's because their research, the research done at St.

00:03:47 ◼   ► Jude, really does have a worldwide impact.

00:03:49 ◼   ► And we've talked in the past this month about how they have more concrete

00:03:52 ◼   ► and and explicit worldwide impacts with things like shipping medicine overseas and stuff like

00:03:56 ◼   ► that.

00:03:56 ◼   ► But really, St.

00:03:57 ◼   ► Jude is a tremendous, tremendous place.

00:03:59 ◼   ► And to remind you, The reason we do this, or one of the many

00:04:02 ◼   ► reasons we do this, is because our dear friend Stephen Hackett, his eldest child

00:04:06 ◼   ► was stricken with childhood cancer at something like six months old.

00:04:09 ◼   ► Uh that child is now sixteen, seventeen years old, or something like that.

00:04:12 ◼   ► Uh and that's all because of St.

00:04:13 ◼   ► Jude Children's Research Hospital.

00:04:15 ◼   ► And I will tell you uh before Marco can explain the Marco offset, I

00:04:19 ◼   ► will tell you that in just a couple of weeks, uh actually a week

00:04:23 ◼   ► and a half as I record this, on Friday, October 2nd at noon, one

00:04:28 ◼   ► true time zone, uh I will be joining several other relay hosts in doing

00:04:33 ◼   ► our 12-hour telethon, which we call the podcast-a-thon.

00:04:35 ◼   ► It will be broadcast on Relay's YouTube channel.

00:04:38 ◼   ► You can see me, if y past years say anything about this, you can

00:04:42 ◼   ► see me make a fool of myself for 12 straight hours.

00:04:44 ◼   ► And who doesn't love that?

00:04:45 ◼   ► So other than me.

00:04:46 ◼   ► So check it out on Relay's YouTube channel.

00:04:49 ◼   ► Um and if you're interested in donating, I will tell you this URL a

00:04:52 ◼   ► few times.

00:04:52 ◼   ► So let me start now.

00:04:53 ◼   ► Saintjud.org slash ATP.

00:04:55 ◼   ► S T J U D E dot org slash ATP.

00:04:57 ◼   ► Marco, uh we're gonna talk in just one second about all the absolute consumerism

00:05:03 ◼   ► that the three of us have participated in this year.

00:05:05 ◼   ► I feel guilty about that.

00:05:06 ◼   ► What can I do?

00:05:07 ◼   ► Well do I have the solution for you?

00:05:09 ◼   ► If you're wondering how much should I give to St.

00:05:12 ◼   ► Jude?

00:05:13 ◼   ► Or how can I make myself feel better about all these purchases that I

00:05:17 ◼   ► just made or I'm about to make?

00:05:18 ◼   ► I have a solution for both of those simultaneously.

00:05:20 ◼   ► So what you do is you calculate the Marco offset.

00:05:24 ◼   ► This is your suggested minimum donation to St.

00:05:27 ◼   ► Jude.

00:05:28 ◼   ► Whatever the base price is of the family of products that you just bought

00:05:31 ◼   ► or are going to buy.

00:05:32 ◼   ► So for instance, an iPhone Pro, what's the base price?

00:05:34 ◼   ► Ten ninety nine, eleven ninety nine, whatever it is.

00:05:36 ◼   ► Uh something like that.

00:05:37 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:05:37 ◼   ► So whatever your total after everything is for that transaction, uh call it, you

00:05:43 ◼   ► know, sales tax, Apple Care, storage upgrades, case, what any any kind of accessories,

00:05:48 ◼   ► whatever it is.

00:05:49 ◼   ► Suppose your total after everything is fifteen hundred dollars and the base price of

00:05:53 ◼   ► that family of device was eleven hundred dollars.

00:05:55 ◼   ► Your Markov offset is four hundred dollars.

00:05:57 ◼   ► That is the suggested minimum donation to St.

00:06:00 ◼   ► Jude if you can swing it.

00:06:01 ◼   ► The theory is you kind of saw that as like an add-on to this

00:06:04 ◼   ► purchase that you maybe didn't necessarily need or maybe could have waited a little

00:06:07 ◼   ► bit more.

00:06:08 ◼   ► That was just an add-on to that.

00:06:09 ◼   ► So maybe you can spare another add-on to St.

00:06:12 ◼   ► Jude.

00:06:13 ◼   ► And if you do, you are hereby absolved by the powers vested in me

00:06:17 ◼   ► by the flying spaghetti monster.

00:06:19 ◼   ► You are hereby absolved.

00:06:21 ◼   ► I actually do have that.

00:06:23 ◼   ► Um, for all of these purchases.

00:06:25 ◼   ► Um no more guilt for you.

00:06:26 ◼   ► You you can go on freely knowing um that you've done the right thing,

00:06:30 ◼   ► even though you bought something ridiculous.

00:06:32 ◼   ► Now also if you want to get hit level two of the Markov offset,

00:06:35 ◼   ► you take whatever money you spent on paid AI plans or API costs for

00:06:42 ◼   ► this month, and you add that on to the existing Markov offset to get

00:06:45 ◼   ► level two.

00:06:46 ◼   ► Level three is instead of doing that for this month, you do it for

00:06:49 ◼   ► the whole year of your paid AI plan and API costs.

00:06:54 ◼   ► So you can make yourself feel better about buying consumer devices that you might

00:06:59 ◼   ► necessarily not need right this moment.

00:07:01 ◼   ► And for using AI for your benefit, all of that guilt can be absolved

00:07:05 ◼   ► by simply donating Saint Jude in these these amounts as your suggested minimum donations.

00:07:10 ◼   ► Thank you very much.

00:07:11 ◼   ► Feels like we're going uh we're a little bit behind on fundraising this year

00:07:13 ◼   ► or maybe it's because the podcast and thon has been pushed out.

00:07:16 ◼   ► I know we get a lot of fundraising during the podcast a thon because

00:07:18 ◼   ► people just demand to see uh all the various relay hosts uh making fools

00:07:22 ◼   ► of themselves.

00:07:22 ◼   ► And that's donate.

00:07:24 ◼   ► But uh yeah, don't wait.

00:07:25 ◼   ► Uh if it goes into October because of the podcaston, that's fine.

00:07:29 ◼   ► But we really want to try to like beat the total from last year.

00:07:31 ◼   ► So uh please give if you can.

00:07:32 ◼   ► Don't put it off.

00:07:33 ◼   ► Yes, excellent.

00:07:34 ◼   ► Thank you, John.

00:07:35 ◼   ► All right, again, one more time.

00:07:36 ◼   ► Saintju.org slash ATP, S T J U D E dot org slash ATP.

00:07:41 ◼   ► All right, we all have gotten some amount of treats.

00:07:44 ◼   ► I think this year, John, you are the treat winner for the year.

00:07:47 ◼   ► I'm very impressed.

00:07:48 ◼   ► You have gotten a trio of treats.

00:07:51 ◼   ► Can you tell us about all of them, please?

00:07:53 ◼   ► Sure.

00:07:53 ◼   ► I'll start with my iPhone 18 Pro.

00:07:56 ◼   ► Uh I'll start by saying goodbye to my iPhone 16 Pro because I'm on

00:07:59 ◼   ► the every two-year phone plan along with my wife.

00:08:02 ◼   ► We alternate years.

00:08:03 ◼   ► Uh and so my 16 Pro was my first experiment in babying my battery

00:08:07 ◼   ► because the battery life was so good on the 16 Pro.

00:08:09 ◼   ► I'm like, you know what?

00:08:10 ◼   ► I'm gonna set an 80% limit and see how long I can last on

00:08:12 ◼   ► that.

00:08:12 ◼   ► And it turns out I lasted maybe like 10 and a half months before

00:08:17 ◼   ► I said, you know, at 80% battery towards the end of the first year.

00:08:21 ◼   ► Some days I feel like it's a little low.

00:08:23 ◼   ► Um so I cranked it back up to 90.

00:08:25 ◼   ► And then eventually I just went to 100% because I'm like, oh this thing's

00:08:27 ◼   ► on its way out the door.

00:08:28 ◼   ► I'm going to be replacing it soon.

00:08:29 ◼   ► Let me just put it on a hundred.

00:08:31 ◼   ► Um anyway, uh just an update on that.

00:08:33 ◼   ► The battery health at the end of two years, I guess more than ten

00:08:37 ◼   ► months.

00:08:38 ◼   ► I said one year and ten months, sorry.

00:08:39 ◼   ► At the end of two years, my iPhone sixteen pro's battery health is at

00:08:43 ◼   ► ninety five percent, and that is after four hundred and fifty one cycles, which

00:08:45 ◼   ► is wow, not particularly impressive.

00:08:47 ◼   ► I bet people have batteries that uh phones that they charge a hundred percent

00:08:50 ◼   ► on Magsaf all night that have the same stats, but I'm happy with how

00:08:53 ◼   ► it went.

00:08:53 ◼   ► I liked uh only charging to eighty percent during the whole year.

00:08:57 ◼   ► My iPad is permanently on eighty percent limit 'cause it never leaves my bedside

00:09:00 ◼   ► so it doesn't need to be.

00:09:01 ◼   ► Um and when I went to 100%, it kind of felt like getting a

00:09:04 ◼   ► whole new battery, you know?

00:09:05 ◼   ► Like, wow, this phone still has amazing battery life because I'm using the last

00:09:09 ◼   ► 20% for the last two months.

00:09:10 ◼   ► So good job, uh iPhone 16 Pro.

00:09:13 ◼   ► Uh iPhone 18 Pro.

00:09:15 ◼   ► Um battery-wise, I did set it to 80% because I think it'll be fine

00:09:19 ◼   ► with this phone as well.

00:09:20 ◼   ► But um first the important stuff.

00:09:22 ◼   ► The case situation shockingly resolved itself amazingly well this year.

00:09:27 ◼   ► I guess over the past couple of years have just been, you know, a

00:09:30 ◼   ► problem with like the camera control, or I guess I guess maybe it was

00:09:32 ◼   ► just the last time, two years ago, with the camera control and getting cases

00:09:35 ◼   ► with with the big opening there, and then the camera control, but uh the

00:09:38 ◼   ► button pass through but not having the open bottom, blah blah blah.

00:09:41 ◼   ► Anyway, um for new listeners, my preference is to have a leather case for

00:09:46 ◼   ► grip essentially, uh, with an open bottom because when I swipe up from the

00:09:50 ◼   ► bottom to unlock the phone, I don't like going over the lip of a

00:09:53 ◼   ► case.

00:09:53 ◼   ► Um I I think the last time I got Apple's clear case, which has

00:09:58 ◼   ► had an open bottom for many years now.

00:09:59 ◼   ► I got the Apple Beats case, which also has an open bottom and is

00:10:02 ◼   ► also from Apple and was fine.

00:10:04 ◼   ► I've tried silicone cases without the open bottom and reconfirmed that I really wanted

00:10:08 ◼   ► to have the open bottom.

00:10:09 ◼   ► Um, but this year, uh Bullstrap, as soon as the the iPhone 18 Pro

00:10:13 ◼   ► was announced, Bullstrap had for order immediately the case.

00:10:16 ◼   ► This is before you could even order the phone so the first thing I

00:10:18 ◼   ► ordered uh this year was my bullstrap leather open bottom case with the camera

00:10:22 ◼   ► control button.

00:10:23 ◼   ► Uh and it arrived before the phone and I put it on my phone.

00:10:27 ◼   ► Problem solved.

00:10:28 ◼   ► I mean it's it's a very expensive case, but it is exactly what I

00:10:31 ◼   ► want.

00:10:31 ◼   ► Uh and it's on my phone now.

00:10:32 ◼   ► So boy, this it turned out to be a non issue this year.

00:10:35 ◼   ► I just bought the case they wanted.

00:10:36 ◼   ► Oh and it is the uh for the bra effect on the back.

00:10:40 ◼   ► Uh the bull strap case has a kind of curved lip, curved leather color

00:10:45 ◼   ► lip around the camera plateau, but nothing is covering the camera plateau.

00:10:49 ◼   ► So it protects the edges of the camera plateau but it doesn't portion of

00:10:52 ◼   ► the camera plateau.

00:10:53 ◼   ► Uh and I think this is great.

00:10:55 ◼   ► Like I really don't like the ones like Ryan London only has one with

00:10:57 ◼   ► like a metal wall around the camera plateau and I find that unpleasing on

00:11:01 ◼   ► my fingers.

00:11:01 ◼   ► So yeah, I got it in one pull strap case.

00:11:04 ◼   ► We'll put a link to it in the show notes.

00:11:05 ◼   ► Again, it is expensive, but it is exactly what I want, so thumbs up.

00:11:08 ◼   ► Um the other thing to note about my iPhone 18 Pro uh is the

00:11:12 ◼   ► setup process.

00:11:13 ◼   ► I'm gonna give myself a thumbs up this year for not having to call

00:11:17 ◼   ► Verizon for the second phone in a row.

00:11:19 ◼   ► Hey, congratulations.

00:11:20 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:11:21 ◼   ► I mean eSIM, maybe maybe I'm gonna chalk that up to e sim making

00:11:24 ◼   ► things better or whatever.

00:11:25 ◼   ► But yeah, the number actually transferred successfully, even in my house on iPhone Day.

00:11:30 ◼   ► That's usually the problem is I'm doing it on you know the day that

00:11:32 ◼   ► everyone gets their iPhones.

00:11:33 ◼   ► Uh phone number transferred over fine.

00:11:36 ◼   ► Then I had to do battle with Apple's uh setup process.

00:11:39 ◼   ► I once again chose the same thing I chose for the past several years,

00:11:42 ◼   ► which is phone-to-phone transfer uh on the idea that it would potentially be the

00:11:48 ◼   ► fastest and also um have the most fidelity even though iCloud restoring from iCloud

00:11:54 ◼   ► a backup the the fidelity of that has gotten much better over the years

00:11:57 ◼   ► it may actually have parity with phone-to-phone transfer, but I always want to try

00:12:01 ◼   ► phone-to-phone transfer first.

00:12:03 ◼   ► This year, I also decided to try connecting them with a cable because I

00:12:06 ◼   ► figured the iPhone 16 Pro has sufficient enough speed from its USB port.

00:12:12 ◼   ► Maybe I didn't even bother looking at the specs.

00:12:13 ◼   ► May I'm wrong.

00:12:14 ◼   ► But anyway, there's thing I tried.

00:12:16 ◼   ► Wait now hold on.

00:12:17 ◼   ► Which cable though?

00:12:18 ◼   ► Because obviously there's like a million different choices here.

00:12:21 ◼   ► I didn't know what to do with the cable.

00:12:23 ◼   ► I ended up using a Thunderbolt 3 cable.

00:12:24 ◼   ► Maybe that was the wrong choice, but uh I connected them butt to butt.

00:12:30 ◼   ► Right.

00:12:30 ◼   ► And I could put the they're both mag safe, so I could put them

00:12:32 ◼   ► on mag safe chargers so they're also charging.

00:12:34 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

00:12:35 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:12:36 ◼   ► So anyway, I'm doing phone to phone transfer, I'm doing the, you know the

00:12:38 ◼   ► whole procedure.

00:12:39 ◼   ► He's makes the little fuzzy code, make the camera, see the picture of the

00:12:43 ◼   ► little fuzzy circle, and they go through and it says finish on your other

00:12:46 ◼   ► phone and I got them on MagSafe chargers, and you know, they're doing their

00:12:50 ◼   ► thing and they're I I don't know if it's using the wire.

00:12:52 ◼   ► It's they're connected with the wire, but I have no idea if it's not

00:12:55 ◼   ► telling me.

00:12:56 ◼   ► I don't whatever.

00:12:57 ◼   ► I just leave.

00:12:57 ◼   ► I leave them there.

00:12:58 ◼   ► I go off to something do something else.

00:13:00 ◼   ► Come back like an hour and a half later to an error on the

00:13:03 ◼   ► screen that says, Oh, the transfer failed.

00:13:05 ◼   ► Sorry.

00:13:06 ◼   ► You were definitely using the cable then, because I can tell you, I I

00:13:09 ◼   ► I have I did not buy any phones this year, not yet anyway.

00:13:13 ◼   ► And so I didn't have this process uh in my house.

00:13:16 ◼   ► But based on my prior experiences and based on the handful of texts I

00:13:20 ◼   ► got from random friends, some nerdy, some not, the iPhone transfer and then later

00:13:24 ◼   ► setup process is such a dumpster fire.

00:13:27 ◼   ► And it is my belief based on no facts, it's an assertion.

00:13:31 ◼   ► But my assertion and belief is that the only properly vetted way to transfer

00:13:37 ◼   ► between iPhones is via iCloud.

00:13:39 ◼   ► I don't think Apple ever tests anything else.

00:13:41 ◼   ► They claim to support it, and I don't want to do an iCloud backup

00:13:45 ◼   ► for the same reasons you cited, John, but I think that's the only one

00:13:48 ◼   ► that Apple ever properly tests.

00:13:50 ◼   ► And everything else is just a happy miracle if it works and iCloud will

00:13:54 ◼   ► get you back, quote unquote, up and running sooner because if you're doing the

00:13:56 ◼   ► phone transfer, you have to leave both phones like alone and not touch them

00:13:59 ◼   ► for a long time.

00:14:00 ◼   ► Whereas the iCloud transfer, it will let you at least you start using your

00:14:03 ◼   ► new phone immediately, even though half your apps won't be there and stuff or

00:14:05 ◼   ► whatever.

00:14:06 ◼   ► So that was that was attempt number one which I was like, you know,

00:14:09 ◼   ► all things considered, that wasn't that bad.

00:14:11 ◼   ► Like I don't know when it failed.

00:14:12 ◼   ► May it it could have failed within the first ten minutes if I only

00:14:14 ◼   ► looked at it an hour and a half later 'cause I assumed it would

00:14:17 ◼   ► succeed.

00:14:17 ◼   ► Uh then what followed that was a comedy of errors of me trying to

00:14:23 ◼   ► it's kind of like in a video game where you first try on the

00:14:25 ◼   ► level, you get pretty far, and then you try the level a bunch more

00:14:27 ◼   ► times and you can't even get close to where you got the first try.

00:14:30 ◼   ► That's what it felt like.

00:14:31 ◼   ► Uh and the basic problem is that when you're doing a phone-to-phone transfer um,

00:14:36 ◼   ► first of all, the two phones have to be near each other.

00:14:39 ◼   ► Uh I I got rid of the cable at this point.

00:14:40 ◼   ► I ditched the cable.

00:14:41 ◼   ► I forget about the cable.

00:14:42 ◼   ► We're going to do phone-to-phone transfer wireless.

00:14:44 ◼   ► Okay.

00:14:45 ◼   ► The phones have to be near each other.

00:14:46 ◼   ► If they're not near each other, they get angry and the transfer won't work.

00:14:50 ◼   ► Also, you have to do stuff on both phones.

00:14:53 ◼   ► The phone will say, do this, do that, and you go look over this

00:14:56 ◼   ► phone and do that.

00:14:56 ◼   ► And type your code in on this phone and type the unlock code for

00:14:58 ◼   ► that phone on this phone.

00:14:59 ◼   ► And like you're going back and forth between the two phones.

00:15:01 ◼   ► You gotta do to be juggling that as well.

00:15:02 ◼   ► And the final thing is when you're essentially done with the old phone, when

00:15:08 ◼   ► you no longer really have to interact with it anymore, you hope, um, it

00:15:12 ◼   ► puts up a sheet or whatever they're called, a little card, like a little

00:15:16 ◼   ► little white square from that takes up the bottom part of the screen and

00:15:19 ◼   ► it says finish on other phone or something like that.

00:15:21 ◼   ► You've seen this, right?

00:15:23 ◼   ► Yep.

00:15:23 ◼   ► Yep.

00:15:23 ◼   ► Yep.

00:15:24 ◼   ► And it has a little X in the top of that sheet.

00:15:27 ◼   ► Uh and it just and it's like a spinner and it says finish another

00:15:29 ◼   ► phone.

00:15:30 ◼   ► I'm like, fine, I'm happy to finish another phone.

00:15:32 ◼   ► Now you may be tempted to say finish another phone.

00:15:34 ◼   ► All right, well I can just I guess I can just dismiss this um

00:15:37 ◼   ► this white box here and just finish on the other phone.

00:15:40 ◼   ► No, if you hit that X the thing ends.

00:15:43 ◼   ► Um and when I say the thing ends, what I mean is not only

00:15:49 ◼   ► are you no longer transferring between the phones, but you have to start all

00:15:53 ◼   ► the way from the beginning as in it makes you Erase.

00:15:57 ◼   ► Yeah, the destination phone has to be restored.

00:15:59 ◼   ► The the new phone.

00:16:00 ◼   ► Erase it.

00:16:01 ◼   ► So and how far you think you were through the process, you have to

00:16:03 ◼   ► erase it.

00:16:04 ◼   ► And how far might you be?

00:16:05 ◼   ► Well there's a bunch of stuff you have to do.

00:16:07 ◼   ► It's like uh, you know, set up Siri, set up all your Apple Pay

00:16:10 ◼   ► cards, sign into your Apple ID.

00:16:12 ◼   ► Like you can skip a lot of these, and I highly recommend skipping them

00:16:15 ◼   ► because they take a long time.

00:16:16 ◼   ► When you get up to that point where it's like, uh, you know, finish

00:16:19 ◼   ► another phone or whatever, you may have been there for five, 10 minutes already

00:16:23 ◼   ► going back and forth through card issuers, entering three digit codes from the back

00:16:27 ◼   ► of your cards to set up Apple Pay, setting up the Hey Dingus stuff.

00:16:31 ◼   ► Like there's a bunch of stuff that you're doing before, you know, you accidentally

00:16:35 ◼   ► dismiss a thing or whatever.

00:16:37 ◼   ► So uh the second time I believe what happened is that that little white

00:16:40 ◼   ► card on the old phone disappeared.

00:16:43 ◼   ► But the the new phone didn't disappeared.

00:16:46 ◼   ► I was like, is this gonna work?

00:16:47 ◼   ► No, eventually it said, I don't know what's up with the other phone.

00:16:49 ◼   ► I d I don't know what happened that time, it just didn't work.

00:16:51 ◼   ► The third time really got me because the the third time I'm like, all

00:16:54 ◼   ► right, third time's a charm.

00:16:56 ◼   ► I'm gonna do it this time.

00:16:57 ◼   ► I've been through the process twice already.

00:16:59 ◼   ► I know exactly what all the steps are, I know which ones I can

00:17:01 ◼   ► skip.

00:17:02 ◼   ► So I'm doing it like a pro.

00:17:03 ◼   ► I'm like, I can skip this.

00:17:04 ◼   ► I can skip this.

00:17:05 ◼   ► And by the way, I'm skipping them because I just want to get across

00:17:07 ◼   ► the finish line.

00:17:08 ◼   ► Can always set up the stuff later.

00:17:09 ◼   ► I can set up Hey Dingus later.

00:17:11 ◼   ► And by the way, last year the Heydingus one is the one that really

00:17:14 ◼   ► got me because it was like, hey, set up Siri here.

00:17:17 ◼   ► Uh say how's the weather?

00:17:18 ◼   ► Say set a timer for three minutes.

00:17:20 ◼   ► Say all these things or whatever.

00:17:21 ◼   ► Uh but it makes you say, say, hey dingus, set a timer for three

00:17:25 ◼   ► minutes.

00:17:25 ◼   ► Uh and if you do that last year, or not last year, last phone,

00:17:29 ◼   ► because the other phone was nearby, it would answer me.

00:17:32 ◼   ► And when it answered, set up process over, erase the new phone.

00:17:35 ◼   ► Oh gosh.

00:17:36 ◼   ► I swear to you, they don't test this.

00:17:38 ◼   ► I swear to it.

00:17:39 ◼   ► Now this year I think they improved it, but I did do the thing

00:17:42 ◼   ► where I took the new phone what I felt like was a safe distance

00:17:45 ◼   ► away, not out of the room but away and then I whispered to it.

00:17:49 ◼   ► I held it up to my I whispered to it.

00:17:51 ◼   ► So so the new thing Wait, but if you whisper to it then you're

00:17:54 ◼   ► not doing the good you're not doing a good job like giving it sample

00:17:56 ◼   ► material.

00:17:57 ◼   ► I I think you can skip that step anyway.

00:17:58 ◼   ► So anyway, that's that's that for the third try.

00:18:01 ◼   ► I'm like, I'm I know all the tricks.

00:18:02 ◼   ► I'm getting through on the third try.

00:18:04 ◼   ► Everything went, I was did all the stuff, skipped all the things I could

00:18:07 ◼   ► skip, was careful not to activate the oliphone or whatever.

00:18:10 ◼   ► And I'm like, now I just need to sit there, they're doing their transfer.

00:18:13 ◼   ► I just need to s connect them both to power.

00:18:15 ◼   ► Um because that's the other thing.

00:18:17 ◼   ► I would suggest not trying to have them on chargers when you do this

00:18:20 ◼   ► for reasons I'll get to in a second.

00:18:22 ◼   ► Um

00:18:23 ◼   ► But they need to be on chargers because at this point on my third

00:18:26 ◼   ► try, their batteries are drained a little bit from from you know the hour

00:18:29 ◼   ► long anyway uh so I go over uh they were plugged in during it

00:18:32 ◼   ► from the hour long thing but anyway just the the going through it the

00:18:34 ◼   ► batteries are a little bit drained so I carry them both over to our

00:18:36 ◼   ► little household charging station where I have tons of cables to plug in And

00:18:40 ◼   ► I plug the new phone into a cable and put it down.

00:18:43 ◼   ► And I take the old phone and try to plug it into a cable.

00:18:46 ◼   ► And you know, these phones have buttons all over the outside of them.

00:18:49 ◼   ► And I guess I squeezed a little bit too hard when I was plugging

00:18:52 ◼   ► in the cable and I accidentally Uh pressed in the camera control on my

00:18:55 ◼   ► old phone.

00:18:56 ◼   ► Oh god.

00:18:56 ◼   ► Transfer over, erase new phone.

00:18:58 ◼   ► Oh my god.

00:18:59 ◼   ► This is so bad, John.

00:19:02 ◼   ► Erase and I'm like, no.

00:19:04 ◼   ► Like adjusted the last all I needed to do was plug it into power

00:19:07 ◼   ► and then let it sit there.

00:19:07 ◼   ► But because I pressed the camera control accidentally, that obviously means erase the, you

00:19:13 ◼   ► know, end it entirely.

00:19:15 ◼   ► No confirmation, nothing.

00:19:17 ◼   ► Erase and restore the phone.

00:19:18 ◼   ► And every time you erase it, it's good.

00:19:20 ◼   ► Anyway.

00:19:21 ◼   ► Fourth time, I was super duper careful and I actually got it transferred and

00:19:24 ◼   ► it went fine.

00:19:25 ◼   ► But boy, that was just ridiculous.

00:19:27 ◼   ► Like you would think that uh on they would like make it more resilient,

00:19:31 ◼   ► like they would make it a bit kind of like a on the max,

00:19:34 ◼   ► which I'll in a bit, like make it like a locked mode where the

00:19:37 ◼   ► old phone, like none of the buttons do anything anymore and it's just locked

00:19:39 ◼   ► in the but instead it's the most fragile state.

00:19:42 ◼   ► If you do anything on the old phone, it's like, Well, obviously whatever you're

00:19:45 ◼   ► doing takes priority and screw that transfer.

00:19:47 ◼   ► Even if that transfer had been running for an hour or whatever, it doesn't

00:19:50 ◼   ► matter.

00:19:50 ◼   ► Right.

00:19:51 ◼   ► So yeah, they get set up.

00:19:52 ◼   ► Um I guess the the only thing I've done with my phone that's interesting

00:19:55 ◼   ► is I took a picture took one of my usual pictures of my dog

00:19:57 ◼   ► at the foot of my bed with most of the lights off in my

00:19:59 ◼   ► room.

00:20:00 ◼   ► Uh and it's better at low light photography with the big aperture.

00:20:03 ◼   ► All right.

00:20:04 ◼   ► Because I've taken that I've taken that same photo of my dog a hundred

00:20:06 ◼   ► times in various poses.

00:20:07 ◼   ► So I have lots of history to compare to.

00:20:09 ◼   ► And all I do is pick up my phone, point it at the dog,

00:20:11 ◼   ► and press the, you know, the camera control, the shutter button.

00:20:14 ◼   ► And so I can see, yeah, uh better uh noticeably better low light performance

00:20:18 ◼   ► than my iPhone sixteen pro, uh presumably due to the larger aperture.

00:20:22 ◼   ► So thumbs up on the camera so far.

00:20:24 ◼   ► Well, that's exciting.

00:20:25 ◼   ► That's a I mean, I'm sorry for the absolute disaster that was the transfer

00:20:29 ◼   ► process but at least the uh the aperture or the the variable aperture is

00:20:34 ◼   ► showing some signs of improvement.

00:20:37 ◼   ► It could have gone worse.

00:20:38 ◼   ► Um but you know the main thing I'm happy about is I like the

00:20:40 ◼   ► color, I like the case, everything's sled.

00:20:42 ◼   ► My new phone was like other than the silly setup process was was the

00:20:45 ◼   ► best thing.

00:20:45 ◼   ► Uh the best new phone setup process I've had in, you know, a couple

00:20:48 ◼   ► of phones.

00:20:49 ◼   ► I'm sorry, what what color in what storage did you get?

00:20:52 ◼   ► Oh, I have five twelve because I'm a little bit over two fifty-six.

00:20:55 ◼   ► I'm like a like a three eighty in my storage.

00:20:57 ◼   ► So I've got a five twelve and it's uh black.

00:21:00 ◼   ► Okay.

00:21:00 ◼   ► Thank you.

00:21:01 ◼   ► AirPods five with wireless charging case, meaning the ones that have the um volume

00:21:06 ◼   ► control thingy on them.

00:21:09 ◼   ► Um so a couple things to note about these.

00:21:11 ◼   ► Uh I forget if we mentioned this before, but apparently these are IP fifty-seven

00:21:16 ◼   ► as compared to IP fifty-four.

00:21:17 ◼   ► This is a waterproofness and dust ingress rating.

00:21:20 ◼   ► So the old AirPods 4 and AirPods Pro 2 were IP fifty-four, But the

00:21:24 ◼   ► AirPods post three are IP57 and IP57.

00:21:28 ◼   ► The five stands for how much like dust can come into it.

00:21:31 ◼   ► So five is ingressive dust is not entirely prevented, but it must not enter

00:21:34 ◼   ► in sufficient quantity to interfere with the SAP operation of the equipment.

00:21:37 ◼   ► So dust can get in, but it can't screw it up.

00:21:39 ◼   ► And then the seven is the important part.

00:21:41 ◼   ► The seven means immersion in water up to one meter for thirty minutes.

00:21:44 ◼   ► The four means it can take like splashes of water, but the seven means

00:21:48 ◼   ► you can put this in up to a meter of water for half an

00:21:50 ◼   ► hour and it should in theory still work.

00:21:52 ◼   ► So that's impressive, and I'm excited to get even more waterproof uh AirPods, although

00:21:56 ◼   ► I don't plan to test that.

00:21:58 ◼   ► Uh the other things to note about the AirPods 5, some odd behaviors.

00:22:02 ◼   ► And unfortunately two variables changed at once here.

00:22:04 ◼   ► I got new AirPods and also I got a new phone so I'm sure

00:22:07 ◼   ► if I should blame this on my new phone or on the new H3

00:22:09 ◼   ► chip and the AirPods or whatever.

00:22:11 ◼   ► But here's the odd behavior.

00:22:13 ◼   ► First, when I put these things in my ear and start playing music, it

00:22:18 ◼   ► pretty much all the time does a thing with the sound that makes me

00:22:22 ◼   ► think, Did I accidentally enable head tracking?

00:22:25 ◼   ► You know that?

00:22:25 ◼   ► Like you ever accidentally enable head tracking?

00:22:27 ◼   ► And it's oh no, I don't want this.

00:22:29 ◼   ► Where is that?

00:22:29 ◼   ► Turn it off.

00:22:30 ◼   ► It always does like a thing where I hear sound like in one ear

00:22:34 ◼   ► and then it transfers to the other ear before they even out.

00:22:36 ◼   ► It's not head tracking, it's disabled, right?

00:22:38 ◼   ► Then I I have disabled head tracking everywhere, but it always does this weird

00:22:42 ◼   ► thing where the sound travels usually from my left to my right for a

00:22:45 ◼   ► second before they settle in and they even out.

00:22:47 ◼   ► Really weird.

00:22:49 ◼   ► Um the volume control, I had to watch a YouTube video to figure out

00:22:53 ◼   ► how to do it.

00:22:54 ◼   ► I've a million times.

00:22:54 ◼   ► I said it on the Apple keynotes when they added it to the AirPods

00:22:57 ◼   ► Pro years ago.

00:22:57 ◼   ► Oh, it's little area and you swipe it with your finger to change the

00:22:59 ◼   ► volume.

00:23:00 ◼   ► So I finally get a pair that has this and I try to swipe

00:23:03 ◼   ► with my finger to change the volume and I cannot do it.

00:23:06 ◼   ► Weird.

00:23:06 ◼   ► What?

00:23:06 ◼   ► I'm like, what is the secret?

00:23:08 ◼   ► Tell me the secret.

00:23:09 ◼   ► And so I found a YouTube video where someone was like, listen, here's what

00:23:11 ◼   ► you have to do.

00:23:12 ◼   ► Grab it like this put your finger above the flat area, swipe downward, starting

00:23:18 ◼   ► above the flat area and then ending after the flat area and do that

00:23:22 ◼   ► periodically and you'll hear a little boop and it will go, you know, uh

00:23:24 ◼   ► do the reverse or up and down.

00:23:25 ◼   ► So the video helped, thank you to that nameless video that I did not

00:23:28 ◼   ► save that taught me how to use the volume control.

00:23:31 ◼   ► I am glad to have it.

00:23:32 ◼   ► Um the other weird thing, so one of the reasons I don't use um

00:23:38 ◼   ► noise cancellation that much in my AirPods four and probably won't use it much

00:23:41 ◼   ► in my AirPods five is noise cancellation means there's a little microphone that's listening

00:23:45 ◼   ► to the outside world so it knows how to cancel those sound signals.

00:23:48 ◼   ► And if you're wearing a hood or a hat or something that rubs against

00:23:52 ◼   ► the your your the AirPods, the rubbing against them can make like noise on

00:23:57 ◼   ► the microphones.

00:23:58 ◼   ► I don't know if you've two ever experienced this with the AirPods Pro, but

00:24:01 ◼   ► definitely with the regular AirPods.

00:24:02 ◼   ► If you rub something on the microphones, you you're shh, like I don't want

00:24:06 ◼   ► to do it to my own microphone.

00:24:07 ◼   ► But you know the sound of something rubbing up against a microphone, extremely unpleasant,

00:24:10 ◼   ► especially in the winter when I have like hats on and stuff that are

00:24:13 ◼   ► like rubbing on the airpods, covering my ears.

00:24:15 ◼   ► So I'm like, oh I don't want that.

00:24:16 ◼   ► So I turn off noise cancellation.

00:24:18 ◼   ► The AirPods, 5 with wireless charging case do this weird thing where when I'm

00:24:23 ◼   ► taking them out, again I have noise cancellation off.

00:24:26 ◼   ► Take out the right AirPod.

00:24:28 ◼   ► I always take out my right one first, put it in the case.

00:24:30 ◼   ► Then when I go to take out my left AirPod, I get staticiness when

00:24:34 ◼   ► my finger touches the little microphone thing.

00:24:37 ◼   ► And the microphone is in the exact same place as it was on the

00:24:39 ◼   ► AirPods 4.

00:24:40 ◼   ► So it's not like I'm like, you know, hitting a thing that wasn't before.

00:24:44 ◼   ► But now when I take off the left AirPod, it's as if it has

00:24:47 ◼   ► turned on noise cancellation briefly, because I hear that loud you're rubbing your finger

00:24:51 ◼   ► against a microphone and it's playing that rubbing into your ear thing.

00:24:54 ◼   ► Very weird.

00:24:55 ◼   ► Minor issues.

00:24:56 ◼   ► I'll see if they settle down, if there's firmware update or whatever, but some

00:25:00 ◼   ► oddities.

00:25:00 ◼   ► Uh and as for the actual noise cancellation, it is better than the forest.

00:25:04 ◼   ► My usual test is can I wear them with noise cancellation enabled while vacuuming?

00:25:10 ◼   ► And the answer with the force is no, not unless I really crank the

00:25:13 ◼   ► volume.

00:25:13 ◼   ► Like the test the real test is Listen at a comfortable volume, then take

00:25:16 ◼   ► out the vacuum, turn it on, start vacuuming.

00:25:19 ◼   ► Do not change the volume on your airpods.

00:25:21 ◼   ► Because i if you crank them up enough and it'll work in any condition.

00:25:23 ◼   ► But then when you turn off the vacuum cleaner, you're like, Oh, this is

00:25:25 ◼   ► way too loud.

00:25:26 ◼   ► I've been blowing my ears out, right?

00:25:27 ◼   ► The fives can have better noise cancellation and I can just about listen to

00:25:32 ◼   ► podcasts while vacuuming.

00:25:35 ◼   ► So thumbs up on I don't think I'll do this often and it's not

00:25:38 ◼   ► what I prefer and it probably would be better if I raised the volume

00:25:40 ◼   ► a little bit, but I can listen to podcasts while vacuuming gimmick so the

00:25:43 ◼   ► believe the hype about the slightly better noise cancellation in these.

00:25:47 ◼   ► All right.

00:25:47 ◼   ► So now generally speaking you don't use noise cancellation.

00:25:50 ◼   ► Like if you were on a plane, which I know is your favorite place

00:25:52 ◼   ► to be, would you use noise cancellation?

00:25:54 ◼   ► I use the big over ear Sony like mega expensive noise cancellation headphones for

00:25:59 ◼   ► that.

00:26:00 ◼   ► I figure what they are with it.

00:26:01 ◼   ► Whatever the latest MX num highest MX number is.

00:26:03 ◼   ► That's what I have.

00:26:04 ◼   ► But but day to day you don't you use you don't use it generally.

00:26:07 ◼   ► No, I don't use it at all really.

00:26:09 ◼   ► For for that reason, because like in the wintertime the hats rub on it

00:26:12 ◼   ► in the house when I'm l listening to like watching a TV show on

00:26:14 ◼   ► my iPad on my bed or whatever.

00:26:16 ◼   ► Like I can hear the noise cancellation if that makes sense.

00:26:19 ◼   ► Especially since they're you know, they're not they're open ear things.

00:26:22 ◼   ► Like I can hear the effect of it and there's not noise that I

00:26:25 ◼   ► really want to cancel anyway, so I don't use it.

00:26:27 ◼   ► And it used to be for battery life too, but so far the battery

00:26:29 ◼   ► life on these has been great.

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00:28:27 ◼   ► All right.

00:28:28 ◼   ► Tell me about the Mac Studio.

00:28:29 ◼   ► Can you first remind us what are the basic specs of this, please?

00:28:32 ◼   ► This is an M5 Max Max Studio with 64 gigs of RAM and a

00:28:36 ◼   ► four terabyte SSD.

00:28:38 ◼   ► It's Max with all the cores working.

00:28:40 ◼   ► I think those are the only options.

00:28:42 ◼   ► Um and then I have an external four terabyte SSD.

00:28:45 ◼   ► We linked all these things in a past episode, but that's that's the setup.

00:28:47 ◼   ► What color did you get?

00:28:49 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:28:50 ◼   ► So the setup process, like I had prepared the way pretty well.

00:28:53 ◼   ► The setup process was surprisingly easy.

00:28:56 ◼   ► Um, it does fit on the corner of my desk where I wanted it

00:28:58 ◼   ► to go, although the hole that's underneath it means that the the foot doesn't

00:29:03 ◼   ► have as much uh contact friction with everything else.

00:29:06 ◼   ► So I'm not sure what I'll do there.

00:29:07 ◼   ► Like it's a little it's a little bit easy to move, although people shouldn't

00:29:10 ◼   ► be reaching back there to touch it anyway.

00:29:12 ◼   ► Um I basically have almost every port filled in in the back of it,

00:29:16 ◼   ► which doesn't

00:29:18 ◼   ► Mac Pro with a million ports like this is just the way it is.

00:29:22 ◼   ► Uh obviously I'm glad I didn't need an additional port.

00:29:24 ◼   ► I don't think the HDMI port.

00:29:26 ◼   ► Uh, but I think that's it.

00:29:28 ◼   ► Every other port on the back of this machine has something plugged into it.

00:29:31 ◼   ► Uh but yeah, all the wires uh you know reached and everything.

00:29:34 ◼   ► I didn't I haven't yet done the thing where I'm going to uh connect

00:29:38 ◼   ► all of my uh external SSD cases to the back of my desk.

00:29:41 ◼   ► They're currently sitting on my desk.

00:29:43 ◼   ► I was deferring that until I got done with the setup process.

00:29:45 ◼   ► I know I got the computer two days ago so it hasn't yet.

00:29:47 ◼   ► Uh, but I will probably do that in time for next week.

00:29:50 ◼   ► Um, but maybe not in time for the next episode, which we're anyway.

00:29:53 ◼   ► Um the transfer process, the migration assistant.

00:29:57 ◼   ► I haven't done this in seven years.

00:29:59 ◼   ► Uh I'm usually a big fan of migration assistants.

00:30:01 ◼   ► I don't start fresh.

00:30:01 ◼   ► I use migration assistant.

00:30:03 ◼   ► But here's the thing with migration assistant.

00:30:06 ◼   ► I feel like this app, for all its amazing capabilities, has not kept up

00:30:12 ◼   ► with the advancement in storage size.

00:30:16 ◼   ► Uh when this thing was made, how much data was Migration Assistant moving?

00:30:20 ◼   ► How many files was it moving?

00:30:22 ◼   ► The numbers must have gone up at least by an order of magnitude since

00:30:25 ◼   ► then.

00:30:25 ◼   ► And so a lot of things in the app don't give you any feedback

00:30:31 ◼   ► that would let you distinguish is this stuck or is this just taking a

00:30:35 ◼   ► long time to do a thing and eventually it will be done.

00:30:38 ◼   ► Uh now for this one.

00:30:40 ◼   ► I had I mean it's it's kind of overkill since the my twenty nineteen

00:30:44 ◼   ► Mac Pro Just has Thunderbolt three, I think, right?

00:30:46 ◼   ► But the the M five Mac Studio has uh Thunderbolt five.

00:30:49 ◼   ► So I had a Thunderbolt five cable, certified real Thunderbolt five cable and I'm

00:30:54 ◼   ► going to connect my Mac Pro to my Mac Studio with a Thunderbolt 5

00:30:58 ◼   ► cable while I do Migration Assistant.

00:30:59 ◼   ► And one of the things Migration Assistant has done for past many years is

00:31:03 ◼   ► it'll like test your connection and say, this connection has been tested to support

00:31:06 ◼   ► these speeds.

00:31:07 ◼   ► So I know it found my cable.

00:31:08 ◼   ► I know it tested it, and it tested it at really high speeds.

00:31:11 ◼   ► So I'm like, great.

00:31:12 ◼   ► This will help because I'm transferring four terabytes.

00:31:14 ◼   ► My Mac Pro had a four terabyte SSD, Mac Studio has a four-terabyte SSD.

00:31:18 ◼   ► I'm going through my Gation Assistant go through the stuff, type these numbers in

00:31:22 ◼   ► this computer, blah blah blah.

00:31:24 ◼   ► I was basically just screen sharing to my Mac Pro from another Mac so

00:31:26 ◼   ► I could see its screen and you know, doing all the stuff.

00:31:29 ◼   ► And then it says, What do you want to transfer?

00:31:31 ◼   ► Defaults to everything being checked off.

00:31:32 ◼   ► I'm like, Yep, transfer everything go to the next thing, and then you get

00:31:35 ◼   ► uh an indeterminate progress bar with like the progress bar where uh the filling

00:31:39 ◼   ► goes back and forth, left, right, left, right, you know, that thing.

00:31:42 ◼   ► Um and I think it says like starting up or something like that.

00:31:46 ◼   ► And it stayed on starting up for a really long time.

00:31:50 ◼   ► So long that I had time to start Googling.

00:31:52 ◼   ► Migration.

00:31:53 ◼   ► Migration assistants stuck on starting up.

00:31:55 ◼   ► You know, these type of questions.

00:31:57 ◼   ► And if you Google that, boy will you find years and years of people

00:32:02 ◼   ► who said, Hey, I tried to use migration assistant between two Macs and it

00:32:05 ◼   ► showed a progress bar going back and forth and it says starting up uh

00:32:09 ◼   ► and it's not making any progress.

00:32:10 ◼   ► What's the deal?

00:32:11 ◼   ► Years of it.

00:32:12 ◼   ► Like, I'm not gonna say decades, because I think the longest one oldest one

00:32:15 ◼   ► I saw was maybe six or seven years old or whatever.

00:32:17 ◼   ► But this is not a new thing.

00:32:18 ◼   ► It's not a good feeling when you when you do a query like that

00:32:21 ◼   ► and you get that answer.

00:32:22 ◼   ► Then I start going through some of them.

00:32:23 ◼   ► I'm going through like Reddit posts from multiple years ago and it's like, Yeah,

00:32:26 ◼   ► I've let it run for twenty hours and it still says starting up.

00:32:30 ◼   ► Like, oh no, I have a podcast tomorrow.

00:32:34 ◼   ► Twenty hours and people are saying, Should I just let it go?

00:32:37 ◼   ► Um people are saying they called Apple Care and here's what Apple Care told

00:32:40 ◼   ► me to do or whatever.

00:32:41 ◼   ► Then you start getting this sort of uh received wisdom, like you know, folklore

00:32:46 ◼   ► stuff, where uh a couple of people said, Um, here's what you have to

00:32:50 ◼   ► do.

00:32:50 ◼   ► Start over, okay.

00:32:53 ◼   ► And then when you get to the screen where it tells you like what

00:32:56 ◼   ► do you want to transfer?

00:32:57 ◼   ► It's got a little check boxes next, like do you want to transfer the

00:32:59 ◼   ► apps, you want to transfer this user account?

00:33:00 ◼   ► Do you want to transfer system settings?

00:33:02 ◼   ► Like the screen where it comes where everything is checked off by default.

00:33:04 ◼   ► Said, look, when you get to that screen, do not leave that screen until

00:33:08 ◼   ► it calculates the sizes of all those things because they all just say calculating,

00:33:12 ◼   ► like for the sizes, right?

00:33:14 ◼   ► You have to stay there until it calculates all the sizes.

00:33:18 ◼   ► So this is slightly complicated by the fact that that next to the next

00:33:22 ◼   ► to each item it says calculating, but then eventually the word calculating disappears and

00:33:27 ◼   ► it's placed by a number, like let's say 10 gigabytes.

00:33:30 ◼   ► But that doesn't mean it's done calculating, because if you keep watching, that 10

00:33:34 ◼   ► will change to twelve, then to 15, then to 30.

00:33:37 ◼   ► And you're like, how do I know when it's done calculating?

00:33:40 ◼   ► I guess I have to wait until none of the numbers are changed anymore.

00:33:44 ◼   ► Anyway, the calculating process takes a long time.

00:33:49 ◼   ► A long time.

00:33:50 ◼   ► Because I guess it's counting up every file and every size.

00:33:52 ◼   ► I don't know what it's doing.

00:33:53 ◼   ► It's four terabyte drive with literally millions of files on it.

00:33:57 ◼   ► But here the thing the thing I came up with is like, look, the

00:34:00 ◼   ► sizes should total about four terabytes because my disk is full.

00:34:05 ◼   ► So I'll wait until the I'll wait until the to first I'll wait until

00:34:09 ◼   ► nothing says calculating says you know, nothing says calculating anymore because it does just

00:34:13 ◼   ► like one or two of them and then eventually it'll start on the third

00:34:15 ◼   ► and whatever.

00:34:16 ◼   ► It doesn't order.

00:34:17 ◼   ► I don't know, but some of them just say calculating for a long time.

00:34:19 ◼   ► I'll wait until all the numbers add up to roughly four terabytes and they're

00:34:22 ◼   ► not changing anymore.

00:34:23 ◼   ► And then I'll hit the continue button.

00:34:25 ◼   ► So I did that because many things on the internet said you should do

00:34:27 ◼   ► this.

00:34:28 ◼   ► Of course in that same thread, there's a bunch of angry people years later

00:34:31 ◼   ► coming back to the same Reddit thread saying, After doing that, how long do

00:34:35 ◼   ► you have to wait?

00:34:36 ◼   ► How long did it take to finish?

00:34:37 ◼   ► Please tell me.

00:34:37 ◼   ► But they're long gone because this is years ago, right?

00:34:39 ◼   ► You know, this is the sad people coming back.

00:34:42 ◼   ► Wait, I found your thread.

00:34:43 ◼   ► How long did it take after that?

00:34:44 ◼   ► So I waited for all the calculating to be done.

00:34:46 ◼   ► I hit continue, and then it says starting up and shows an indeterminate progress

00:34:50 ◼   ► bar going back and forth.

00:34:52 ◼   ► And it stays there for a long time.

00:34:55 ◼   ► Can you give me an order of magnitude?

00:34:57 ◼   ► Are we talking minutes, hours?

00:34:59 ◼   ► I mean, I'm just I'm just trying to remain calm and I just go

00:35:02 ◼   ► and do something else for a while.

00:35:04 ◼   ► And I look back at it and it's like, all right, it's been thirty

00:35:06 ◼   ► minutes.

00:35:07 ◼   ► I'm doing some more Googling.

00:35:09 ◼   ► I'm not finding any more folklore or wisdom, except for a bunch of people.

00:35:12 ◼   ► A bunch of people from back in the day are like learning that you

00:35:14 ◼   ► should never do this over Wi Fi.

00:35:15 ◼   ► I'm like way ahead of you.

00:35:16 ◼   ► Like I know.

00:35:17 ◼   ► I know I'm not not doing it over Wi-Fi.

00:35:19 ◼   ► I'm not even doing it over Ethernet.

00:35:21 ◼   ► I'm over Thunderbolt.

00:35:22 ◼   ► And by the way, the uh the migration assistant app is not reassuring in

00:35:25 ◼   ► at the bottom it says like what your current connection is and it says

00:35:30 ◼   ► none the whole time.

00:35:32 ◼   ► That's great.

00:35:33 ◼   ► But when you click on it, when you click on it or go see

00:35:35 ◼   ► like the connection test thing, it will tell you what it tested all the

00:35:38 ◼   ► connections for.

00:35:38 ◼   ► So it's like obviously this is not none because you said this connection has

00:35:41 ◼   ► been tested and it just gave this data rate or whatever.

00:35:44 ◼   ► It's it tests all of them.

00:35:45 ◼   ► It says you've got an Ethernet connection, I tested that, and it gave this

00:35:47 ◼   ► data rate, and you've got a Thunderbolt connection.

00:35:49 ◼   ► Like, but the thing just says none.

00:35:51 ◼   ► All right.

00:35:51 ◼   ► So I just let it sit there for a while.

00:35:53 ◼   ► I figured, okay, I will give this.

00:35:56 ◼   ► Let's say three hours to to be on the screen that says starting up

00:36:01 ◼   ► or preparing, whatever the hell it says.

00:36:02 ◼   ► It is not a progress bar that's going anywhere.

00:36:05 ◼   ► It is a back and forth progress bar.

00:36:07 ◼   ► And there's no other visibility into this.

00:36:09 ◼   ► There's no log window to bring up.

00:36:10 ◼   ► There's nothing else that you can see to let you know that this is

00:36:12 ◼   ► making progress or not.

00:36:14 ◼   ► Maybe before I waited for all to calculate, it would have also completed if

00:36:17 ◼   ► I had waited the same amount of time.

00:36:19 ◼   ► Who knows?

00:36:20 ◼   ► But I just found something else to do and put it out of my

00:36:23 ◼   ► mind.

00:36:23 ◼   ► And probably about an hour in, maybe fifty minutes into the starting up thing,

00:36:29 ◼   ► I glanced over from what I was doing on my wife's computer and looked

00:36:33 ◼   ► back at my computer and I said, It's not going back and forth anymore.

00:36:36 ◼   ► Now there's an actual progress bar.

00:36:38 ◼   ► And that's when I sent you guys screenshots with my fingers crossed emoji, where

00:36:42 ◼   ► it's just like it's it's going and it's giving me a data rate, and

00:36:45 ◼   ► the data rate kept climbing.

00:36:46 ◼   ► I think it was topping out at like over a gigabyte per second, uh,

00:36:50 ◼   ► which is great.

00:36:51 ◼   ► Uh and it took maybe four hours to finish.

00:36:56 ◼   ► And it did finish.

00:36:57 ◼   ► And the computer rebooted and it had pretty much all my stuff in it.

00:37:01 ◼   ► And I was once again amazed at the thoroughness of migration assistant.

00:37:05 ◼   ► I think it let me inherit all of my time machine backups, including the

00:37:09 ◼   ► network ones on the new computer, which is amazing.

00:37:12 ◼   ► Like I didn't take it up on that offer.

00:37:13 ◼   ► I I wiped the time machine backup because I just wanted to start fresh,

00:37:16 ◼   ► because I know from experience that the network ones get corrupted easily.

00:37:20 ◼   ► But I think it let me do all that.

00:37:21 ◼   ► All my settings were there.

00:37:23 ◼   ► All my stuff from user local was there.

00:37:26 ◼   ► Just like everything was in there.

00:37:27 ◼   ► All you know, it was really amazing.

00:37:29 ◼   ► Backblaze was a little bit angry and I had to corral that back into

00:37:32 ◼   ► a reasonable state.

00:37:33 ◼   ► But yeah, uh pretty good uh after getting over that hurdle.

00:37:37 ◼   ► But this is this is the this is the flaw in migration assistant.

00:37:40 ◼   ► They need some way to like for phases that previously were like, well, this

00:37:44 ◼   ► isn't gonna be that long, we can show an indeterminate progress thing here.

00:37:47 ◼   ► They can't do that anymore.

00:37:49 ◼   ► Like what if you have millions and millions of files like I do?

00:37:51 ◼   ► What if you have four terabytes of data spread over millions and millions of

00:37:54 ◼   ► files?

00:37:54 ◼   ► There's no way to tell whether this is ever going to complete.

00:37:57 ◼   ► And most people won't have the patience to wait an hour for it to

00:38:00 ◼   ► get to the part part where the progress bar begins, right people you start

00:38:03 ◼   ► seeing the once it begins, it gives you a time estimate and you can

00:38:06 ◼   ► see it progressing.

00:38:07 ◼   ► As long as that progress bar is moving, you think it things are happening.

00:38:10 ◼   ► But wow.

00:38:11 ◼   ► Uh a little bit scary.

00:38:13 ◼   ► Uh I'm not sure what I was gonna do.

00:38:14 ◼   ► Like I could have tried restoring from time machine back up or something else

00:38:17 ◼   ► like that but I really wanted to do the the machine to machine transfer

00:38:19 ◼   ► so I'm glad it eventually worked.

00:38:21 ◼   ► Uh and then after that I've just been on an Intel purge, which is

00:38:25 ◼   ► you know, go to system report, go to like, you know, about this Mac,

00:38:28 ◼   ► blah blah blah.

00:38:29 ◼   ► Eventually you get to this what used to be called system profiler.

00:38:31 ◼   ► And that will list every app that it knows about on your system, including

00:38:34 ◼   ► what architecture the app is using.

00:38:36 ◼   ► Although it lists a bunch of them as either unknown or other or something.

00:38:39 ◼   ► But anyway, I went through every Intel app I had and either deleted it

00:38:42 ◼   ► and updated it to an ARM version.

00:38:44 ◼   ► I cleaned out user local, rebuilt everything for ARM.

00:38:47 ◼   ► Didn't rebuild everything.

00:38:47 ◼   ► Some things I didn't build I eventually will, like when I need them.

00:38:50 ◼   ► But the stuff I knew I needed I rebuilt uh for ARM.

00:38:53 ◼   ► Build new versions of uh things that I wanted new versions of.

00:38:57 ◼   ► Yeah, uh it's going pretty well.

00:38:58 ◼   ► Um did a network time machine backup that's actually still running to my Synology

00:39:03 ◼   ► right now.

00:39:04 ◼   ► Um did a super duper clone.

00:39:07 ◼   ► Oh the uh the enclosure with my two uh SATA SSDs.

00:39:12 ◼   ► Working okay, but one time

00:39:16 ◼   ► I think yesterday,

00:39:18 ◼   ► both drives, which were both mounted, just disappeared entirely from my computer.

00:39:23 ◼   ► And disc utility disk utility could not see the enclosure, which is what everybody

00:39:26 ◼   ► says.

00:39:26 ◼   ► Oh, don't get external enclosures, they just, you know, your drives disconnect.

00:39:29 ◼   ► When that happened, disk utility couldn't even see the enclosure anymore.

00:39:32 ◼   ► And my solution was to turn off the enclosure and back on because it's

00:39:35 ◼   ► got a power switch.

00:39:36 ◼   ► Hasn't happened since then.

00:39:38 ◼   ► I have no idea what caused it.

00:39:39 ◼   ► Maybe I'll try it into power instead of making it bus powered, but I've

00:39:43 ◼   ► got my eye on that one.

00:39:44 ◼   ► Uh but anyway, I did do a super duper clone, did two super duper

00:39:46 ◼   ► clones too because now I'm cloning my photos drive and my um what do

00:39:51 ◼   ► you call it?

00:39:52 ◼   ► Uh and my main drive to two separate volumes on there.

00:39:55 ◼   ► Uh and I did a time machine backup to it and that worked.

00:39:57 ◼   ► And now the Synology Time Machine backup is taking forever because it's way slower.

00:40:01 ◼   ► Uh but yeah, I'm almost completely up and running.

00:40:03 ◼   ► And during that, while all that stuff was going on, I was doing dev

00:40:05 ◼   ► work on my computer instead of my wife's.

00:40:07 ◼   ► And uh she loved that and I loved it and it's nice and fast.

00:40:10 ◼   ► And uh so far I haven't missed the RAM that uh the Mac Pro

00:40:13 ◼   ► had.

00:40:13 ◼   ► This is not.

00:40:14 ◼   ► Well, so sounds like a little bit of a trouble troublesome journey for both

00:40:18 ◼   ► the phone and the computer, but ultimately sounds successful.

00:40:23 ◼   ► Yeah, it could have been worse.

00:40:24 ◼   ► Oh, an update on photo searching.

00:40:26 ◼   ► My photos library did success.

00:40:28 ◼   ► This is another thing.

00:40:29 ◼   ► Copying your photos library following Apple's instructions and their support note that we put

00:40:32 ◼   ► in a past episode.

00:40:33 ◼   ► Copying my two terabyte-ish uh photos library to an external drive following their instructions.

00:40:39 ◼   ► The copy went really fast.

00:40:41 ◼   ► Because hey, the I got I bought a fast Thunderbolt five SSD and I

00:40:44 ◼   ► have a fast, you know, a copy went surprisingly fast for two terabytes worth

00:40:48 ◼   ► of uh library.

00:40:49 ◼   ► And then following the Apple's instructions for how to open it and then it

00:40:53 ◼   ► says, and then you want to designate it your system photos library.

00:40:56 ◼   ► So go to you know settings general and there's a button that says user

00:40:59 ◼   ► systems photo system photo library and I click that button and photos beach bulb.

00:41:05 ◼   ► And that beach bowl stayed there for

00:41:08 ◼   ► 20, 25 minutes.

00:41:10 ◼   ► Jeez.

00:41:11 ◼   ► And then eventually wasn't there anymore and it was successful.

00:41:15 ◼   ► That is another instance of no regular user is going to tolerate that amount

00:41:20 ◼   ► of waiting.

00:41:21 ◼   ► And I was like, look, what's my alternative?

00:41:24 ◼   ► I've learned that sometimes It's just gonna block.

00:41:27 ◼   ► I mean, the rest of the computer was fine, but photos was 100% beach

00:41:30 ◼   ► bowling for 20 minutes.

00:41:32 ◼   ► Doing you know, I have a big photos library.

00:41:34 ◼   ► There are a lot of photos, like I get it.

00:41:35 ◼   ► I don't know what it was doing, but it did eventually succeed.

00:41:39 ◼   ► And my photos library did move there and then I deleted my photos library

00:41:42 ◼   ► from the internal SSD, freeing up half of my space.

00:41:45 ◼   ► Nice.

00:41:46 ◼   ► Uh and then once it was all said and done and once it had

00:41:48 ◼   ► done all iCloud syncing and everything, I did search inside photos on my uh

00:41:52 ◼   ► photos library that's on an external drive and I search for pictures of cats

00:41:55 ◼   ► and pictures of fences and both of those things worked.

00:41:58 ◼   ► And you did this within photos.

00:42:00 ◼   ► Within photos.

00:42:01 ◼   ► I don't know or care anything about spotlight finding photos, but within the photos

00:42:05 ◼   ► app when I search for some word that, you know, it it it works.

00:42:08 ◼   ► It works.

00:42:09 ◼   ► It worked fast.

00:42:10 ◼   ► Uh I'm satisfied with that experience.

00:42:12 ◼   ► I think I'll be okay with my photos library and extra on drive.

00:42:15 ◼   ► And that drive enclosure has not spontaneously disconnected so far.

00:42:19 ◼   ► So far.

00:42:19 ◼   ► I thought um that we were of the understanding that searching within photos was

00:42:24 ◼   ► never really up for grabs.

00:42:26 ◼   ► It was searching outside of photos in spotlight that was the problem.

00:42:29 ◼   ► Well there's a it's a follow up item in a second where we'll see

00:42:32 ◼   ► uh what uh Apple's uh intelligent agent has to say uh say about this,

00:42:35 ◼   ► but just experimental evidence.

00:42:37 ◼   ► Uh I did not try any kind of spotlight search for photos, like as

00:42:40 ◼   ► in Command F in the Finder, because I don't care.

00:42:42 ◼   ► All I care about is that search inside the photos app works and it

00:42:45 ◼   ► does.

00:42:46 ◼   ► Good deal.

00:42:47 ◼   ► So all in all, sounds like success all around.

00:42:50 ◼   ► Yeah, so far so good.

00:42:52 ◼   ► I mean, yeah, I'm uh it's nice to have everything all in one place.

00:42:55 ◼   ► I think that time on my wife's computer has really made me appreciate this

00:42:57 ◼   ► more, made her appreciate it more, obviously too, but it just being back on

00:43:00 ◼   ► my own computer with my bigger screen my own keyboard and mouse.

00:43:03 ◼   ► Oh, that's another nice thing I got to treat myself.

00:43:05 ◼   ► So I I gave myself a new mouse pad.

00:43:08 ◼   ► Um which wow.

00:43:10 ◼   ► The old one was fine, but you know, there's new nice new mouse pad

00:43:13 ◼   ► feeling, right?

00:43:14 ◼   ► So I have a new mouse pad.

00:43:16 ◼   ► Uh, and of course my keyboard that I bought on eBay turned out not

00:43:18 ◼   ► to be a scam.

00:43:19 ◼   ► It was, in fact, a new sealed inbox, Apple extended keyboard with a full

00:43:24 ◼   ► size control key in the lower left corner and no stupid FLOAB thing there.

00:43:28 ◼   ► And touch ID.

00:43:29 ◼   ► So here I am.

00:43:31 ◼   ► New keyboard, new mouse pad.

00:43:32 ◼   ► Not a new mouse, although I do have plenty of spares up of those

00:43:35 ◼   ► up in there as well.

00:43:36 ◼   ► So yeah, it's got that it's got that new Mac feeling.

00:43:39 ◼   ► That's awesome.

00:43:40 ◼   ► Congratulations.

00:43:42 ◼   ► That's uh you really have uh you've you've earned this over a very, very

00:43:48 ◼   ► long time.

00:43:49 ◼   ► Hopefully I won't have this computer for seven years, but uh tune in seven

00:43:52 ◼   ► years from now to see how that goes.

00:43:53 ◼   ► Good gracious.

00:43:54 ◼   ► Uh does the new computer feel appreciably faster than the Mac Pro did?

00:43:59 ◼   ► Oh yes.

00:44:00 ◼   ► Okay.

00:44:01 ◼   ► All right, good deal.

00:44:02 ◼   ► Remember, my computer was slower than a phone.

00:44:05 ◼   ► Well, it showed up like like Xcode builds are so much faster.

00:44:11 ◼   ► You have no idea.

00:44:12 ◼   ► Every everything is a lot faster.

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00:46:13 ◼   ► All right, Marco, you also got some treats.

00:46:16 ◼   ► What's going on there?

00:46:17 ◼   ► Um yeah, so I uh went to the Apple store for my pickup of

00:46:21 ◼   ► my new Apple Watch series twelve.

00:46:23 ◼   ► Um and I got to see all the other products uh very briefly.

00:46:28 ◼   ► The iPhone Pro colors, I think, are fine.

00:46:32 ◼   ► I actually I went today.

00:46:34 ◼   ► I ha I needed to go to the mall anyway, and so I just

00:46:37 ◼   ► popped in briefly to look at the the two new colors.

00:46:40 ◼   ► Actually I didn't even look at black, come to think of it, I should

00:46:42 ◼   ► have.

00:46:42 ◼   ► But I saw a glacier in Burgundy and they clearly are not as cool

00:46:48 ◼   ► as orange was, but I actually really like both of them quite a bit.

00:46:53 ◼   ► I find uh at least you know from seeing it in the store for

00:46:56 ◼   ► a few minutes, I find that the the glacier, which is that light blue

00:46:59 ◼   ► color, um the glacier is lighter than I expected it to be, and the

00:47:03 ◼   ► burgundy is darker than I expected it to be.

00:47:05 ◼   ► I think that's fair.

00:47:06 ◼   ► Yeah, seeing YouTubers with the burgundy, like Apple's videos made it seem so much

00:47:10 ◼   ► lighter than the spy shots, but now that I see other YouTubers doing it

00:47:12 ◼   ► in different lighting conditions, it looks more like the spy shots.

00:47:15 ◼   ► So I'm I I think yeah the burgundy is pleasingly darker than it it

00:47:19 ◼   ► appeared to be in Apple's videos.

00:47:20 ◼   ► Yeah, it's it's very dark.

00:47:22 ◼   ► Like the in in moderate to low light, it could be confused for black.

00:47:26 ◼   ► It is very dark.

00:47:27 ◼   ► And I think that is fine.

00:47:29 ◼   ► I mean, that is kind of like, you know, the style this year is

00:47:31 ◼   ► a lot of like reds and purples and stuff.

00:47:33 ◼   ► So yeah that makes sense.

00:47:35 ◼   ► I think honestly they went even darker than maybe the style would suggest, but

00:47:39 ◼   ► I'm not a style expert.

00:47:41 ◼   ► Um so I'm actually very happy sticking with my seventeen pro for one more

00:47:45 ◼   ► year for lots of reasons.

00:47:46 ◼   ► Um as the various reviews have come out of the 18 Pro, it does

00:47:50 ◼   ► seem like it's not really that necessary to upgrade every year, uh, even for

00:47:56 ◼   ► idiots like us.

00:47:58 ◼   ► Um and so I'm I for the moment I'm going to stick with my

00:48:02 ◼   ► 17 Pro now.

00:48:03 ◼   ► That being said, part of the reason is that I'm waiting for the duo.

00:48:06 ◼   ► So I I know I'm I have to get one of those at least

00:48:08 ◼   ► for development and everything.

00:48:08 ◼   ► So that's gonna throw a wrench in the plans.

00:48:10 ◼   ► But for the moment, happy with my seventeen pro.

00:48:12 ◼   ► 18 pro does not really do it for me.

00:48:14 ◼   ► Um and in the same way, I also didn't ever get the Apple Watch

00:48:19 ◼   ► Series 11.

00:48:20 ◼   ► I'm coming from a series ten.

00:48:22 ◼   ► Uh and I actually, through various for various like developing and testing reasons, I

00:48:27 ◼   ► ended up having the series ten in both of its sizes.

00:48:31 ◼   ► Um, one of them came refurbished later on.

00:48:33 ◼   ► Um and I just got a n a series twelve.

00:48:36 ◼   ► I decided to go with the smaller size series twelve again.

00:48:39 ◼   ► I've I spent a good amount of time wearing both sizes on the Series

00:48:43 ◼   ► 10.

00:48:43 ◼   ► I like I would I you know wear one for a few months and

00:48:45 ◼   ► switch the other one for a few months.

00:48:47 ◼   ► What really got me with with the Series 10 is uh a couple like

00:48:52 ◼   ► about a month ago, I was out with some friends and and they took

00:48:56 ◼   ► a picture and I I saw the picture of myself afterwards and all I

00:49:00 ◼   ► could see was this giant screen on my wrist.

00:49:03 ◼   ► I'm like, hmm.

00:49:05 ◼   ► I don't I don't like that.

00:49:06 ◼   ► I like I I think I want to start reducing that.

00:49:10 ◼   ► Um and so I went with the smaller size series twelve.

00:49:13 ◼   ► Um I got the s the white ceramic, which I think is awesome.

00:49:16 ◼   ► I'll get to that in a moment, but just on just a little bit

00:49:18 ◼   ► more on sizing.

00:49:19 ◼   ► The ceramic is actually a little bit bigger especially it's I think it's like

00:49:22 ◼   ► one millimeter wider than the other materials.

00:49:26 ◼   ► And also there's been a change in the screen proportions with series twelve, which

00:49:31 ◼   ► we're gonna get to a little bit um in the follow-up.

00:49:34 ◼   ► But I think, in my opinion, I think the small size looks way better

00:49:39 ◼   ► on me than the bigger one in this in this model of watch.

00:49:43 ◼   ► And also, I would even like it to be a little bit smaller.

00:49:47 ◼   ► I I think it could it could it could even go like maybe two

00:49:50 ◼   ► millimeters smaller and still look great on my wrist, which I think I mean

00:49:53 ◼   ► I forget.

00:49:54 ◼   ► I should know as a watch nerd.

00:49:55 ◼   ► I think my wrist is like six point seven five inches, something like that.

00:49:58 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:49:58 ◼   ► Something in that ballpark.

00:49:59 ◼   ► All right, well hold on.

00:50:00 ◼   ► So since you've brought this up Uh we do have some follow-up we were

00:50:04 ◼   ► gonna get to later, but let's let's just do it now.

00:50:06 ◼   ► And so Sebastian writes the Apple Watch series twelve display is smaller than the

00:50:10 ◼   ► series ten display.

00:50:11 ◼   ► I got mine yesterday and I noticed it immediately.

00:50:13 ◼   ► Also, the speaker grille is linear again while on the S ten 10 and

00:50:16 ◼   ► S11, there were Series 10, Series 11, the speaker grills, they were they were

00:50:20 ◼   ► speaker grills with small holes.

00:50:22 ◼   ► Both of those are very disappointing changes, in my opinion, according to Sebastien.

00:50:26 ◼   ► Uh the Series 10 was a regression from the 789 with thicker bezels, and

00:50:29 ◼   ► they made it even thicker with the What's the twelve?

00:50:32 ◼   ► So this has been a common refrain and there's a picture that Sebastian took

00:50:36 ◼   ► that makes it fairly clear.

00:50:38 ◼   ► Like I'm not trying to argue that this is incorrect.

00:50:41 ◼   ► This did not even register to me.

00:50:42 ◼   ► Maybe I'm just not observant enough, but did not even register.

00:50:45 ◼   ► Well there are some changes.

00:50:46 ◼   ► Oh, and by the way, before I follow up, I just took out one

00:50:48 ◼   ► of those little flexible tape measure things.

00:50:50 ◼   ► I have a six and a half inch wrist and and I think that

00:50:53 ◼   ► I think the small size is definitely the right size for that.

00:50:57 ◼   ► Um anyway, that being said, there are a few changes um to the like

00:51:02 ◼   ► little some little tweaks to the design.

00:51:03 ◼   ► Oh, my series twelve just rebooted itself.

00:51:06 ◼   ► Um that keeps happening.

00:51:07 ◼   ► Uh

00:51:08 ◼   ► version version one point zero of the software.

00:51:11 ◼   ► Anyway.

00:51:12 ◼   ► Um as it reboots, I'll tell you.

00:51:14 ◼   ► Um the black part, like the crystal of the watch, is a bigger proportion

00:51:21 ◼   ► of the watch's height.

00:51:23 ◼   ► So it has gotten thicker and the watch body below it has gotten thinner.

00:51:28 ◼   ► So as you look from the side, you see more of the height is

00:51:31 ◼   ► black than it was before.

00:51:33 ◼   ► So I think that that might be contributing to part of the way the

00:51:36 ◼   ► of the difference in the in the look.

00:51:38 ◼   ► Honestly, I think that makes it look better, but that's just me maybe.

00:51:42 ◼   ► Um now that being said, people have taken side by side pictures and indeed

00:51:45 ◼   ► the screen bezels are a little thicker on the twelve than they were on

00:51:49 ◼   ► at least the ten and I think the eleven as well.

00:51:51 ◼   ► Um to me I actually prefer this.

00:51:55 ◼   ► Now, part of it is because I don't use a watch face with a

00:51:58 ◼   ► solid color background.

00:52:00 ◼   ► My watch faces have black backgrounds, so I don't even notice this.

00:52:03 ◼   ► But same.

00:52:04 ◼   ► When the series 10 first came out, we noticed as we use, and we

00:52:09 ◼   ► talked about it, that the screen by being pushed closer to the edges, it

00:52:15 ◼   ► actually warped a lot of the content in the corners and edges of the

00:52:19 ◼   ► screen to slightly be in the curvature of the crystal.

00:52:23 ◼   ► And I actually didn't like that.

00:52:26 ◼   ► Like it looked kind of cool for a second, but it made it a

00:52:28 ◼   ► little harder to read and to like because a little bit of the screen

00:52:32 ◼   ► content was actually on the slope.

00:52:35 ◼   ► And I didn't think that was a very good idea.

00:52:37 ◼   ► It was great that they could brag about thin bezels, but it actually worked

00:52:40 ◼   ► worse.

00:52:41 ◼   ► That's why even though the um the outgoing, I don't know if the if

00:52:44 ◼   ► the current ones do, but the outgoing large size, the forty six millimeter series

00:52:49 ◼   ► ten and eleven, actually has a bigger screen than the Apple Watch Ultra.

00:52:54 ◼   ► But because of that curvature around its edges, where the Apple Watch Ultra is

00:52:59 ◼   ► flat edge to edge, I actually preferred for large screen use the Ultra by

00:53:05 ◼   ► far.

00:53:06 ◼   ► Now I think the series 12, by having it pull the margins a little

00:53:09 ◼   ► bit in and actually have thicker bezels a little bit, I think it's actually

00:53:13 ◼   ► better because it helps pull that content away from those curved edges and more

00:53:19 ◼   ► of it is on the flat face of the watch.

00:53:21 ◼   ► That to me makes it more useful.

00:53:24 ◼   ► This definitely does seem like a conscious change because Apple was bragging so much

00:53:27 ◼   ► when they got the bezels smaller and smaller on the on the the series

00:53:31 ◼   ► uh ten and eleven.

00:53:32 ◼   ► They just loved it so much.

00:53:33 ◼   ► But it seems like they also learned that there are usability issues.

00:53:36 ◼   ► It also makes me think about the twentieth anniversary phone that is rumored that

00:53:39 ◼   ► is going to take the screen and wrap it all around exactly the same

00:53:42 ◼   ► way.

00:53:43 ◼   ► Uh have they unlearned that lesson for the phone?

00:53:45 ◼   ► Are they gonna use that setting that pulls in the screen image?

00:53:47 ◼   ► Tune in next September to see how that goes.

00:53:49 ◼   ► But for now, it seems like the watch team at least has made a

00:53:52 ◼   ► conscious decision on the series, the series series of phones with that have curved

00:53:57 ◼   ► top glass things to pull in the screen image.

00:54:00 ◼   ► So yes, it does mean that when you take a head on picture of

00:54:03 ◼   ► them, there is more black border around the new phone than the old phone,

00:54:07 ◼   ► but uh that may provide better usability and also better readability.

00:54:11 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:54:11 ◼   ► Um the um as Sebastian uh wrote, the speaker grills um on the series

00:54:17 ◼   ► ten and I think eleven um are like a bunch of tiny holes.

00:54:22 ◼   ► Previous and now series twelve models, it's two slots.

00:54:26 ◼   ► This again, as a series ten owner, I prefer the slots because the little

00:54:31 ◼   ► holes on my series ten have had a little bit of sunscreen in them

00:54:35 ◼   ► for a year and a half.

00:54:37 ◼   ► And I can I have not been able to get it out.

00:54:39 ◼   ► So like the top speaker grille on my series 10 just has these little

00:54:43 ◼   ► tiny white dots.

00:54:44 ◼   ► Like nothing I have done can get that out of there.

00:54:47 ◼   ► So hopefully the switch back to the slot might make it easier to clean.

00:54:51 ◼   ► Plus now my watch body's white anyway, so might I might not notice as

00:54:53 ◼   ► much.

00:54:54 ◼   ► Oh, also my outbound series 10, I had the um the gold series 10.

00:54:59 ◼   ► It significantly changed color throughout its life.

00:55:03 ◼   ► Oh.

00:55:04 ◼   ► The gold DLC coating tarnishes.

00:55:07 ◼   ► Uh and and I've if you do some searches on Reddit, you'll find this.

00:55:10 ◼   ► And and like, you know, if I flip it over, I could see like

00:55:13 ◼   ► the parts that that like rub against my skin are actually a different color

00:55:16 ◼   ► than the rest of the case.

00:55:17 ◼   ► I tried never do this.

00:55:19 ◼   ► I tried polishing cloths, never do this.

00:55:22 ◼   ► And they tell you, never do this.

00:55:24 ◼   ► And AI will tell you, never do this.

00:55:26 ◼   ► But I tried it and it helped.

00:55:27 ◼   ► Uh but it it still did not uh restore the original color.

00:55:31 ◼   ► Never do this.

00:55:32 ◼   ► That is something that if you want a partial restore uh jewelry polishing cloths,

00:55:37 ◼   ► never do this.

00:55:37 ◼   ► Um might maybe help you, but don't why why are you saying never to

00:55:40 ◼   ► do it that it will damage the finish or something?

00:55:43 ◼   ► Well, what polishing is is abrasion.

00:55:45 ◼   ► You don't you don't mean like the Apple like microphone microfiber polishing cloth.

00:55:48 ◼   ► Ex explain what you mean.

00:55:49 ◼   ► No, I mean like like a jewelry p like a you know a fine

00:55:52 ◼   ► metals polishing cloth like from Amazon, you know, like a jewelry polishing cloth.

00:55:55 ◼   ► They have like tiny abrasive uh things in it.

00:55:58 ◼   ► It's an ab it's a very, very fine abrasive compound.

00:56:01 ◼   ► Uh and if you you know rub metal with it, it gets it shinier,

00:56:04 ◼   ► but it does that by removing a layer of metal.

00:56:06 ◼   ► Now a DLC coating, uh which is what Apple uses to coat to color

00:56:10 ◼   ► these watches, is very thin.

00:56:12 ◼   ► So if you do too much of any kind of abrasion on it, you

00:56:16 ◼   ► will rub off the coating and you will just expose the you know, the

00:56:19 ◼   ► the metal color underneath it.

00:56:20 ◼   ► Thus the admonition to never do this.

00:56:22 ◼   ► Yeah, that's why everything will tell you never to do this.

00:56:25 ◼   ► I w I did not find that to happen on mine, but that's hey

00:56:29 ◼   ► uh n all bets are off if you try this yourself.

00:56:32 ◼   ► That being said, that is something to be aware of if you pick like

00:56:35 ◼   ► the gold, like anything that's not the natural color of titanium or or steel,

00:56:39 ◼   ► uh the coatings they use can tarnish and in this case it absolutely did.

00:56:42 ◼   ► And it it kind of turned me off the gold uh now anyway.

00:56:45 ◼   ► Um but going back to the white ceramic so far, love it.

00:56:49 ◼   ► I was a little concerned that it would be a little bit too much

00:56:52 ◼   ► of a cream color because in in Apple's pictures and stuff, it's kind of

00:56:56 ◼   ► hard to tell like is it white or is it cream?

00:57:00 ◼   ► Um well I can tell you having the actual you know ceramic watch and

00:57:04 ◼   ► then I have the you know their version of the white sport band, which

00:57:08 ◼   ► they I believe call sand is the color.

00:57:10 ◼   ► I have it right here next to the white sport band from the previous

00:57:14 ◼   ► uh generations.

00:57:15 ◼   ► And it is not that different.

00:57:19 ◼   ► It is a little bit more of a warm tone, but it's a very

00:57:24 ◼   ► subtle difference.

00:57:24 ◼   ► They call the watch Pearl White and they call the band Sand.

00:57:27 ◼   ► I think those are pretty accurate color names.

00:57:30 ◼   ► It is not like I was afraid it would be more like Starlight.

00:57:33 ◼   ► Like they're, you know, like they're kind of warmer versions of this.

00:57:36 ◼   ► It's not.

00:57:36 ◼   ► It is closer to white than Starlight.

00:57:39 ◼   ► And so I like it a lot.

00:57:40 ◼   ► And I think it looks very like fresh and cool.

00:57:43 ◼   ► It will restrict what band choices will look good with it, but uh because

00:57:47 ◼   ► you know, because there's no metal to match, like nothing with metal lugs will

00:57:50 ◼   ► match it.

00:57:52 ◼   ► But so far I'm very happy with it.

00:57:54 ◼   ► And uh and that's it so far.

00:57:55 ◼   ► I haven't tested all the um you know spying on people features yet, because

00:57:59 ◼   ► those aren't released yet.

00:58:00 ◼   ► For what I have right now, it is wonderful.

00:58:02 ◼   ► Did you compare the new ceramic series twelve with your old ceramic series five

00:58:06 ◼   ► or do you not have that anymore?

00:58:07 ◼   ► I should dig around in my kind of archive.

00:58:09 ◼   ► I don't think I have it anymore.

00:58:11 ◼   ► I think I sold it.

00:58:12 ◼   ► Oh, there was one other saga.

00:58:15 ◼   ► Oh gosh.

00:58:17 ◼   ► Trying to pair this watch for developer mode.

00:58:21 ◼   ► This has changed.

00:58:22 ◼   ► Now, I don't know if this is a series twelve thing, if it's a

00:58:24 ◼   ► watch OS twenty-seven thing, maybe some combination thereof.

00:58:27 ◼   ► If it's an Xcode 27 thing.

00:58:29 ◼   ► Trying to get this watch to show up in Xcode and be and be

00:58:34 ◼   ► usable for development was ridiculous.

00:58:37 ◼   ► The way developer mode works in Apple devices in the modern way is there's

00:58:41 ◼   ► a secret setting called developer mode that you have to enable.

00:58:45 ◼   ► This setting will not even show up until you try to issue a build

00:58:50 ◼   ► to the watch from Xcode.

00:58:52 ◼   ► Then Xcode will error out and say, developer mode isn't able on this device.

00:58:56 ◼   ► Then you have to, at that point, go to the device go to the

00:58:59 ◼   ► bottom of the security screen, hit find the developer mode, turn it on, and

00:59:03 ◼   ► it'll say, all right, we got to reboot.

00:59:04 ◼   ► So it reboots.

00:59:05 ◼   ► Then after it reboots, it asks you, you sure you want to turn this

00:59:09 ◼   ► on?

00:59:09 ◼   ► Then you can do do the passcode.

00:59:10 ◼   ► X code thing and then finally you have developer mode on.

00:59:14 ◼   ► Then you can go back to Xcode and issue a build after it downloads

00:59:17 ◼   ► all the symbols.

00:59:18 ◼   ► It will eventually work for that device.

00:59:20 ◼   ► Okay.

00:59:21 ◼   ► The watch, previously you would have the little dance where you know you'd plug

00:59:26 ◼   ► the phon into the into the computer and the phone would say trust this

00:59:29 ◼   ► computer question mark and you have to the if you had the watch at

00:59:32 ◼   ► that point paired to the phone, then the watch would also have its own

00:59:36 ◼   ► tap tap trust this computer and you have to type in the code and

00:59:39 ◼   ► everything.

00:59:40 ◼   ► Well, no matter what I did, I could not even get that to happen

00:59:43 ◼   ► with the new watch.

00:59:44 ◼   ► I couldn't get it to even say trust this computer.

00:59:46 ◼   ► I'm like, what am I doing here?

00:59:48 ◼   ► Tried searching, tried AIing, tried finding any kind of documentation.

00:59:52 ◼   ► I rebooted everything under the sun.

00:59:55 ◼   ► I installed both of their day one security updates, like everything.

00:59:59 ◼   ► I did everything, all of the usual dances, could not figure it out.

01:00:03 ◼   ► Eventually I don't know how I've how I found this, but somehow I figured

01:00:07 ◼   ► out uh that there is I think maybe I eventually found like a K-base

01:00:11 ◼   ► article in the new Xcode device hub, there's a like in the device list

01:00:16 ◼   ► where normally it would show the devices that were waiting for pairing or that

01:00:19 ◼   ► you know needed developer mode or whatever.

01:00:21 ◼   ► It's not even there.

01:00:22 ◼   ► You had to hit the little plus and say pair nearby device.

01:00:27 ◼   ► Now gracious.

01:00:28 ◼   ► The screen that set that shows up when you say that has three pictures,

01:00:33 ◼   ► uh like a kind of multi-device icon, Apple TV and Vision Pro.

01:00:38 ◼   ► Now, if you look at this, you might miss the tiny little Apple watch

01:00:43 ◼   ► that's in the multi-device icon.

01:00:44 ◼   ► It kind of looks like this is not the right pairing screen for anything

01:00:49 ◼   ► that's not an Apple TV or a Vision Pro or maybe you know an

01:00:54 ◼   ► an iPad or something.

01:00:55 ◼   ► Who knows?

01:00:56 ◼   ► But it kind of looks like this is not the right screen.

01:00:59 ◼   ► It is.

01:01:00 ◼   ► Then, only then, with your Mac saying waiting to pair on this weird screen,

01:01:06 ◼   ► only then will the developer mode option magically show up on the watch.

01:01:10 ◼   ► Will it tell you this?

01:01:11 ◼   ► No no it will not.

01:01:13 ◼   ► You have to just know that when you're looking at the waited to pair

01:01:16 ◼   ► screen, then you go into the watch and find the developer mode thing and

01:01:20 ◼   ► then turn it on.

01:01:22 ◼   ► Then of course y we have to reboot, blah blah blah, go to the

01:01:25 ◼   ► pairing screen, okay.

01:01:26 ◼   ► You reboot.

01:01:27 ◼   ► It says you you sure you want to developer mode.

01:01:28 ◼   ► Yes.

01:01:29 ◼   ► By the way, the the series 12, I think, reboots faster than previous Apple

01:01:32 ◼   ► watches, which is not saying a lot, but it is useful.

01:01:35 ◼   ► Okay.

01:01:36 ◼   ► You finally reboot.

01:01:37 ◼   ► The watch is finally in developer mode.

01:01:39 ◼   ► And you plug in the phone and you're waiting for that tap-tap trustless computer,

01:01:44 ◼   ► and it just doesn't.

01:01:48 ◼   ► What the hell?

01:01:50 ◼   ► You know where it is?

01:01:51 ◼   ► Not that it's going to tell you this.

01:01:54 ◼   ► When you plug in the phone, then the time that you would normally find

01:01:58 ◼   ► the trustless computer prompt on the watch, it's not ever going to tell you.

01:02:03 ◼   ► You just have to know to go back to the security screen, to go

01:02:08 ◼   ► to the developer mode screen, to scroll to the bottom of the developer mode

01:02:13 ◼   ► screen where nothing has ever been before and nothing has told you anything is

01:02:16 ◼   ► there, but you just have to know to scroll there, and then at the

01:02:20 ◼   ► bottom of it, it says Marco.

01:02:22 ◼   ► Pro or your computer name here.

01:02:24 ◼   ► And then you can tap that to pull up the Trustless Computer screen.

01:02:32 ◼   ► Only then can you finally use your watch for development.

01:02:37 ◼   ► Oh my god.

01:02:39 ◼   ► Sounds fun.

01:02:40 ◼   ► This took me hours.

01:02:42 ◼   ► You mentioned the uh the icon leading you to to believe that like that

01:02:46 ◼   ► button is only if you have like an Apple TV or whatever because it

01:02:48 ◼   ► didn't look anything like a watch.

01:02:50 ◼   ► I had a similar experience when I had to um set up Apple Apple

01:02:53 ◼   ► Care on my Mac Studio and I was doing it through system settings because

01:02:56 ◼   ► it bugs you to do it there.

01:02:57 ◼   ► I'm like oh yeah, might have to do that.

01:02:59 ◼   ► And I go through it all and it's like, Yeah, do this, blah, blah

01:03:02 ◼   ► blah blah and then it says, Okay, like on the Apple Pay screen where

01:03:05 ◼   ► it wants you to fingerprint authenticate or whatever to Apple Pay for your Apple

01:03:08 ◼   ► Care plus.

01:03:09 ◼   ► Uh it says okay, so here you go.

01:03:11 ◼   ► This is Apple Care for an M Slix M six slash M five Pro

01:03:14 ◼   ► Mac Mini, right?

01:03:16 ◼   ► Like uh no.

01:03:19 ◼   ► And so I back out.

01:03:20 ◼   ► I go back through it again.

01:03:21 ◼   ► I'm like, yeah, all right.

01:03:23 ◼   ► It's I'm doing this on the the Mac Studio through its own system settings.

01:03:27 ◼   ► It's leading me to say, so you've got a Mac Studio, it's gonna cost

01:03:30 ◼   ► you this much for this blah blah blah blah blah.

01:03:31 ◼   ► It's like it knows it's a Mac Studio.

01:03:32 ◼   ► You go through the Apple screen.

01:03:34 ◼   ► Okay, so here's that Apple Care for the M six slash M five Pro

01:03:37 ◼   ► Mac Mini, right?

01:03:39 ◼   ► I just went through with the payment and when it was done, my Mac

01:03:42 ◼   ► Studio has Apple Care.

01:03:43 ◼   ► But like, yeah, Just a couple of missing string constants here and there, an

01:03:49 ◼   ► icon that doesn't make you think this is for watches because they can only

01:03:52 ◼   ► put so many devices on it can lead you astray.

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01:06:03 ◼   ► Speaking of M6 Mac Minis.

01:06:05 ◼   ► Oh yeah, I got a new Mac Mini.

01:06:08 ◼   ► Um got my M6 Mac Mini and I'm happy to say it is fast.

01:06:14 ◼   ► Um You don't say I haven't done like formal benchmarks.

01:06:18 ◼   ► I'm I just like installed my transcriber cons consumer app and just saw like

01:06:23 ◼   ► how fast can it go?

01:06:24 ◼   ► Like how many transcription minutes per real minute can it do?

01:06:27 ◼   ► Like what is its X speed of like, you know, it's transcribing at 200

01:06:30 ◼   ► 200x, 300x.

01:06:32 ◼   ► So far, I've seen it peak at like 380x real-time transcription.

01:06:38 ◼   ► Um that I didn't see it sustain that though.

01:06:40 ◼   ► I c I've seen it sustain in like the the low to mid three

01:06:44 ◼   ► hundred X's.

01:06:45 ◼   ► Um whereas the M four Mac minis before it would usually sustain more like

01:06:50 ◼   ► two hundred and forty X.

01:06:52 ◼   ► So I've gone from like two forty ish to like three twenty to three

01:06:56 ◼   ► thirty ish, you know something like that.

01:06:57 ◼   ► Um, but again, these are not like formal numbers yet.

01:07:00 ◼   ► I haven't controlled testing yet.

01:07:01 ◼   ► I haven't had time because I've only had it set up for a few

01:07:03 ◼   ► hours.

01:07:04 ◼   ► But um so far, it seems like the M6 is a substantial jump over

01:07:09 ◼   ► the M4.

01:07:10 ◼   ► In the area of transcription, which makes sense.

01:07:12 ◼   ► Like if you look at Apple's quoted numbers and some of their their own

01:07:15 ◼   ► performance claims and and what they've focused on and how what has changed, that

01:07:20 ◼   ► does make sense.

01:07:21 ◼   ► The only thing that I would that I would really wish for, and if

01:07:23 ◼   ► anybody is listening to this at Apple, who has any input in this, the

01:07:27 ◼   ► twenty seven OS have the new advanced dictation model that Apple has touted that

01:07:34 ◼   ► runs on the highest end hardware.

01:07:36 ◼   ► This is like the like it's like that new ver that new form of

01:07:39 ◼   ► model where it's like the sparse uh mixture of experts or whatever it was,

01:07:42 ◼   ► like that like this like m this new advanced architecture of these models.

01:07:46 ◼   ► It's supported only on like the iPhone 16 Pro and up and the M3,

01:07:51 ◼   ► I believe, end up.

01:07:53 ◼   ► Well, I have that.

01:07:54 ◼   ► I have a bunch of them.

01:07:55 ◼   ► This is all of my Mac minis are M4s or M6.

01:07:58 ◼   ► So I can run it, but there appears to be no API for that

01:08:02 ◼   ► model on Mac or iOS.

01:08:04 ◼   ► I have tried, I have run tests.

01:08:06 ◼   ► There you have this amazing new transcription model on these hard on this hardware,

01:08:11 ◼   ► and there's apparently, as far as I can tell, no way for apps to

01:08:15 ◼   ► use it.

01:08:15 ◼   ► And that's unfortunate.

01:08:16 ◼   ► So I really hope Apple gives us an API for that.

01:08:20 ◼   ► And and even if it's as as simple as like a flag to the

01:08:23 ◼   ► speech transcription API that on those supported devices can use the higher end model,

01:08:28 ◼   ► please, I would love that.

01:08:30 ◼   ► Well you know, since you're running this on your own Mac minis, like forget

01:08:33 ◼   ► about I know you run transcription on the pho, but forget about the phone

01:08:35 ◼   ► for a second and just think about your Mac Mini farm where you're doing

01:08:38 ◼   ► transcription.

01:08:39 ◼   ► Private APIs.

01:08:41 ◼   ► Send your agent to find them.

01:08:43 ◼   ► They're in there somewhere.

01:08:44 ◼   ► That's a good point.

01:08:45 ◼   ► You can use them.

01:08:46 ◼   ► That's a real No one can stop you.

01:08:48 ◼   ► I never thought about that.

01:08:50 ◼   ► Thank you.

01:08:50 ◼   ► That's actually a really good idea.

01:08:51 ◼   ► I am the devil on your shoulder telling you to use an agent to

01:08:54 ◼   ► reverse engineer Apple's OS and find those damn APIs, because it will find them.

01:08:58 ◼   ► Oh, that's really good.

01:09:00 ◼   ► Oh, I like that a lot.

01:09:01 ◼   ► Thank you.

01:09:02 ◼   ► Okay.

01:09:02 ◼   ► I will like that until you're in private API hell like me where th

01:09:06 ◼   ► th nothing is documented and things don't like, what the hell?

01:09:08 ◼   ► Private APIs.

01:09:10 ◼   ► I'm I'm I'm just gonna walk away whistling like a cartoon character right now

01:09:12 ◼   ► and Yeah, I mean the good thing is when the when the disaster happens

01:09:15 ◼   ► it'll just be it won't be on everybody's phone, it'll just be on your

01:09:17 ◼   ► Mac mini form.

01:09:18 ◼   ► So you'll you'll reap what you sow and it'll all crash at once.

01:09:21 ◼   ► Uh foreshadowing for the after show by the way.

01:09:24 ◼   ► Fifty percent of the Mac minis use private APIs and fifty percent don't And

01:09:27 ◼   ► 80% of the time it works every time.

01:09:30 ◼   ► All right.

01:09:31 ◼   ► So you good with your treats?

01:09:32 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:09:33 ◼   ► All right.

01:09:33 ◼   ► So for me, uh Aaron and I upgraded from series 10 aluminum watches to

01:09:38 ◼   ► series twelve.

01:09:40 ◼   ► Uh I had gone for a few years with the small watch.

01:09:43 ◼   ► Now I'm back on the big watch, um, which seems fine to me.

01:09:46 ◼   ► I think when it got less um tall, it it made a big difference

01:09:50 ◼   ► to how I perceive it on my wrist, which isn't to say that Marco's

01:09:53 ◼   ► wrong about him or me for that matter.

01:09:54 ◼   ► I think our wrists are roughly the same size.

01:09:56 ◼   ► Um Yeah.

01:09:57 ◼   ► And to be clear, like all three, like the the 42, is it now?

01:10:02 ◼   ► The 42, the 46, and the and the Apple Watch Ultra all look fine

01:10:07 ◼   ► on us.

01:10:07 ◼   ► Like they uh it's just a matter of like what's what's your current style.

01:10:11 ◼   ► Like I like a bigger watch in the summer and a smaller watch in

01:10:14 ◼   ► the winter.

01:10:14 ◼   ► Why?

01:10:15 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:10:16 ◼   ► But that's what you know what I like.

01:10:17 ◼   ► So all summer I wore the forty six.

01:10:19 ◼   ► All winter last year I wore the 42.

01:10:21 ◼   ► And and a lot of the summer I switched to the Ultra because it

01:10:23 ◼   ► was even bigger.

01:10:24 ◼   ► Like that's just it's it's just personal style.

01:10:26 ◼   ► In any case, um, so both of us got series twelve aluminums, and it's

01:10:32 ◼   ► nice.

01:10:33 ◼   ► That's better That's about all I got.

01:10:35 ◼   ► I mean, I I'm not trying to be like, you know, snarky.

01:10:37 ◼   ► It's just it's a two year newer watch.

01:10:39 ◼   ► Seems faster.

01:10:40 ◼   ► Uh battery life is way better.

01:10:42 ◼   ► Seems good.

01:10:43 ◼   ► I I I really just don't have that much more to say other than

01:10:47 ◼   ► the bezel difference.

01:10:48 ◼   ► I think Marco, you nailed it in saying that because I have a black

01:10:51 ◼   ► background like you do, did not even register that the bezels are different.

01:10:55 ◼   ► Uh it's it's it's fine.

01:10:57 ◼   ► It's good.

01:10:58 ◼   ► I shouldn't say it's fine.

01:10:59 ◼   ► It's no complaints.

01:11:00 ◼   ► It's good.

01:11:01 ◼   ► That's about all I got.

01:11:02 ◼   ► Awesome.

01:11:03 ◼   ► All right, so back to follow-up.

01:11:05 ◼   ► I don't know what that was, but we're back to follow-up now.

01:11:07 ◼   ► Uh the iPhone Duo DevTools, uh, there was a delay, and uh there was

01:11:13 ◼   ► much consternation, including from Marco and myself.

01:11:16 ◼   ► And we're going to cover the actual tools themselves a little bit later in

01:11:20 ◼   ► this very episode, or at least that's the plan.

01:11:22 ◼   ► But Oscar Echeveri wrote: I'm genuinely curious what Marco and Casey would have Apple

01:11:26 ◼   ► do differently with regards to the dev tools for the iPhone Duo.

01:11:29 ◼   ► What are your opinions around how Apple would be able to both protect its

01:11:31 ◼   ► product secrecy while simultaneously providing more lead time for third-party developers to have access

01:11:36 ◼   ► to dev tools before the duo's release?

01:11:38 ◼   ► Uh I'm very curious to hear what Marco's thoughts are.

01:11:40 ◼   ► We did not confer in advance.

01:11:42 ◼   ► Uh for me, 27.1, the Xcode 27.1 beta should have been released that day.

01:11:48 ◼   ► Like I I I'm not clear.

01:11:49 ◼   ► Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but I'm not clear why that is impossible.

01:11:55 ◼   ► Like, obviously it's not what they did, but what precludes that from happening?

01:11:59 ◼   ► I I don't get why that can't happen.

01:12:01 ◼   ► Um, the other thing I'll say, and I just recently in the last like

01:12:04 ◼   ► 48 hours, I just found out that this is at least slightly a thing.

01:12:07 ◼   ► But the other thing I'll say is they should give us access to hardware

01:12:12 ◼   ► now in a perfect world that means give us some hardware do a DT

01:12:16 ◼   ► type thing.

01:12:16 ◼   ► But yes, your reaction is exactly correct.

01:12:18 ◼   ► There's no way that's happening.

01:12:19 ◼   ► Not it's in a perfect world.

01:12:21 ◼   ► In a perfect world it'd be great, but it's not so what's the next

01:12:24 ◼   ► best thing?

01:12:24 ◼   ► And and Marco and I were talking about this a bit privately, but they

01:12:28 ◼   ► are doing I don't think they're officially calls.

01:12:30 ◼   ► I forget what the official name is.

01:12:31 ◼   ► Marco, do you remember?

01:12:32 ◼   ► I like I don't know.

01:12:33 ◼   ► I I don't know.

01:12:34 ◼   ► It doesn't matter.

01:12:35 ◼   ► But they're doing labs like the one that Marco and I did Together for

01:12:38 ◼   ► the Vision Pro a couple of years ago now, three years ago, something like

01:12:41 ◼   ► that.

01:12:41 ◼   ► And um what they are doing is in Cupertino, in New York, and in

01:12:45 ◼   ► a cut in Battersea and one and I think one in India, and I

01:12:50 ◼   ► think one in in like um Japan ish area.

01:12:53 ◼   ► I don't have the list in front of me.

01:12:54 ◼   ► They're doing these things where you can come in for a day or sometimes

01:12:58 ◼   ► two and presumably get time with a physical iPhone duo.

01:13:04 ◼   ► And I really, really, really really support this approach.

01:13:08 ◼   ► Genuinely.

01:13:08 ◼   ► I love this approach.

01:13:10 ◼   ► I wish there was more, particularly in America, than literally one in New York.

01:13:17 ◼   ► And that is the only one the East Coast gets.

01:13:19 ◼   ► And I'm sorry if you live anywhere between, I don't know, San Francisco and

01:13:24 ◼   ► New York, because you're screwed.

01:13:25 ◼   ► You're gonna have to find a way to get to either San Francisco or

01:13:27 ◼   ► New York.

01:13:28 ◼   ► I don't love that.

01:13:29 ◼   ► I I get that this is complicated.

01:13:31 ◼   ► I get it's hard, but if Apple wants the particular well, I was gonna

01:13:34 ◼   ► say indie developers, but if Apple wants developers to have this thing or had

01:13:38 ◼   ► to have their apps ready to go on day one, you gotta put in

01:13:42 ◼   ► the work, Apple.

01:13:43 ◼   ► And yes, I think a lot of us will recompile and it'll be passable

01:13:48 ◼   ► on day one.

01:13:49 ◼   ► For all I know, that may be where I end up because I'm going

01:13:51 ◼   ► next week doing other things.

01:13:53 ◼   ► Um but uh it it maybe it'll be passable for a lot of these

01:13:56 ◼   ► apps on day one, but it won't be great.

01:13:58 ◼   ► And I really wish they had more offerings.

01:14:01 ◼   ► Even Even just in New York, 'cause selfishly, the one and only time they

01:14:05 ◼   ► offered i I just c I can't make that the that day or two

01:14:08 ◼   ► days happen.

01:14:09 ◼   ► And so I I really wish they took that more seriously.

01:14:13 ◼   ► But ultimately, I still don't really understand why we couldn't have gotten Xcode twenty

01:14:19 ◼   ► seven dot one on day one.

01:14:20 ◼   ► But Marco, convince me I'm wrong.

01:14:22 ◼   ► Nope.

01:14:23 ◼   ► I'm pretty much with you.

01:14:25 ◼   ► I'm not asking for Apple to give developers access to this kind of stuff

01:14:31 ◼   ► at scale before they've announced it.

01:14:34 ◼   ► And they don't.

01:14:35 ◼   ► Like Apple they follow a very predictable pattern where when they're launching new hardware

01:14:41 ◼   ► like this, they bring a very small number of select developers like Netflix, you

01:14:46 ◼   ► know, or maybe a couple of game developers, like the they'll bring them in

01:14:50 ◼   ► and show them the hardware before they've even announced it.

01:14:53 ◼   ► And that way they can have something to demo during the keynote.

01:14:56 ◼   ► But that's a very that you you're talking like, you know, uh you can

01:14:59 ◼   ► count 'em on one hand usually, like how many developers would have access to

01:15:02 ◼   ► that before the keynote.

01:15:03 ◼   ► Um then the keynote happens, the thing is announced to the public, and at

01:15:08 ◼   ► that point, usually like an hour after the keynote, that same day, developers get

01:15:14 ◼   ► an SDK that gives us a simulator for the new hardware and for all

01:15:18 ◼   ► the new abilities and any new APIs that are enabled by the new hardware,

01:15:22 ◼   ► we get an SDK that day.

01:15:24 ◼   ► That's the part that didn't happen here.

01:15:26 ◼   ► Now, I'm glad that they did give it to us.

01:15:28 ◼   ► I mean, what was it, a week and a half later?

01:15:30 ◼   ► Something like that?

01:15:31 ◼   ► Something like that.

01:15:32 ◼   ► That's great.

01:15:32 ◼   ► But this is already like this is a very compressed timeline for developers because

01:15:37 ◼   ► the duo has all these different screen sizes and aspect ratios and positions it

01:15:43 ◼   ► can be in and changes so much about the layout of common system controls

01:15:48 ◼   ► and system interaction patterns that it's a it's a lot of work.

01:15:52 ◼   ► And we have one month before they're in customers' hands.

01:15:57 ◼   ► So losing I mean, and at at the time it was, you know, six

01:16:01 ◼   ► weeks.

01:16:02 ◼   ► Losing one and a half of those six weeks felt like a a needless

01:16:08 ◼   ► delay for developers.

01:16:09 ◼   ► Now, it wasn't arbitrary.

01:16:11 ◼   ► I'm sure the answer was it wasn't ready yet.

01:16:13 ◼   ► And in fact, well when they did give us the SDK on Friday, there

01:16:16 ◼   ► were some things about it that were kind of rough that it's like, oh

01:16:18 ◼   ► yeah, it isn't ready yet.

01:16:20 ◼   ► Or at least like you can tell they they really like pushed it out

01:16:24 ◼   ► hard and even then they couldn't get it out more than you know a

01:16:28 ◼   ► week and a or less than a week and a half bef uh after

01:16:30 ◼   ► the event.

01:16:31 ◼   ► So it's not that they were artificially holding it back, but they obviously weren't

01:16:37 ◼   ► prioritizing it enough to get it out there on day one.

01:16:41 ◼   ► It wasn't ready yet on day one was the was the was the problem.

01:16:44 ◼   ► And look, this stuff happens.

01:16:45 ◼   ► I understand it's software.

01:16:47 ◼   ► None of my stuff's ever ready when I want it to be ready.

01:16:49 ◼   ► Um freak.

01:16:50 ◼   ► But I'm not the biggest company in the world.

01:16:51 ◼   ► You know, like that's not that's not my job to to be that and

01:16:55 ◼   ► to do that.

01:16:56 ◼   ► Uh and yes, and it is you are not relying on a bunch like

01:17:01 ◼   ► thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of other people to leverage your work

01:17:07 ◼   ► product, right?

01:17:08 ◼   ► Like it'd be one thing if Apple just, you know wanted to be late

01:17:12 ◼   ► for something that only affects Apple.

01:17:14 ◼   ► But the Apple wants all of us, developers, to be ready on day one.

01:17:18 ◼   ► And if you want us to be ready on day one, help us be

01:17:22 ◼   ► ready on day one, right?

01:17:24 ◼   ► Like it's it's very frustrating and demoralizing is dramatic, but I can't think of

01:17:29 ◼   ► a better word.

01:17:30 ◼   ► It it's just frustrating that we're begging for table scraps just so we can

01:17:36 ◼   ► get a not embarrassing version of our apps ready for day one.

01:17:39 ◼   ► Yeah, because here's the thing.

01:17:41 ◼   ► On day one, we will have one star reviews from people who say that

01:17:45 ◼   ► our apps aren't ready or don't look good or don't work well or the

01:17:48 ◼   ► touch targets aren't reachable or something.

01:17:51 ◼   ► We will get one star reviews every single day from day one until we

01:17:56 ◼   ► fix those problems.

01:17:57 ◼   ► Every day counts.

01:17:58 ◼   ► Now But Marco, there's no way that actually happens.

01:18:02 ◼   ► I assure you it happens.

01:18:03 ◼   ► And the thing is, every part of this is an Apple created problem.

01:18:08 ◼   ► Why don't we have time with the hardware?

01:18:11 ◼   ► Well, with the new with with this with the exception of you know some

01:18:15 ◼   ► of these labs that fortunately are happening, I mean we'll see how many people

01:18:18 ◼   ► can actually get into them and everything, but you know, that helps.

01:18:20 ◼   ► But like developers don't have early access to hardware for the most part.

01:18:23 ◼   ► Okay.

01:18:24 ◼   ► Um we don't have earlier access to software than you know four and a

01:18:27 ◼   ► half weeks before before the release.

01:18:29 ◼   ► Okay.

01:18:30 ◼   ► Um why do why can people rate apps on a brand new phone that

01:18:34 ◼   ► developers haven't access to but yet our apps are still available on that phone.

01:18:37 ◼   ► Um good question.

01:18:38 ◼   ► That's an Apple problem.

01:18:39 ◼   ► Why do app ratings matter so much to developers?

01:18:42 ◼   ► That's an Apple problem.

01:18:43 ◼   ► Why is it a five-star system when no one ever does anything but one

01:18:47 ◼   ► or five?

01:18:47 ◼   ► That's an Apple problem.

01:18:49 ◼   ► Like there every single one of the what like these are all Apple creative

01:18:53 ◼   ► problems.

01:18:53 ◼   ► So there are some things that Apple could do differently here.

01:18:57 ◼   ► They could give us they could they could prioritize the release of the SDK

01:19:01 ◼   ► on day one.

01:19:03 ◼   ► Every single time.

01:19:04 ◼   ► They could make one-star reviews not possible on a brand new platform for the

01:19:09 ◼   ► first month or two or whatever.

01:19:10 ◼   ► Or they could make them matter less.

01:19:13 ◼   ► Or they could do a different system that isn't just one star or five

01:19:16 ◼   ► stars.

01:19:17 ◼   ► There are so many ways they could solve this problem.

01:19:20 ◼   ► And we just don't question them because this has just been how it's this

01:19:24 ◼   ► is how it's been for twenty years almost.

01:19:26 ◼   ► Like this is just how it's been.

01:19:28 ◼   ► And so we just assume this is the way it has to be.

01:19:30 ◼   ► But every single part of this can be improved.

01:19:34 ◼   ► Every part of this is an Apple created situation, and it is within their

01:19:38 ◼   ► control to improve it.

01:19:40 ◼   ► Oscar didn't ask me to answer this question, but the reason I put it

01:19:42 ◼   ► in here is because you two are all angry about uh the the way

01:19:46 ◼   ► the whole uh duo dev tool situation worked out.

01:19:49 ◼   ► And uh I th I thought it was uh worthwhile thinking about okay, well

01:19:52 ◼   ► if you're mad about this, what would you what would you rather have happened?

01:19:55 ◼   ► What would have made you happy?

01:19:56 ◼   ► Uh and my answer to that is

01:20:00 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

01:20:01 ◼   ► That is difficult for all the reasons that you've mentioned, but is still the

01:20:05 ◼   ► actual answer, which is uh whatever Apple is releasing, whatever product they're held secret

01:20:12 ◼   ► because we assume they're going to continue to do that.

01:20:13 ◼   ► And honestly, I think that's fine to have something secret for a long time.

01:20:16 ◼   ► But whatever your secret thing that you're revealing that requires developer support, the Casey's

01:20:21 ◼   ► point, like it's not just a thing that you put out there.

01:20:23 ◼   ► You actually want developers to do something in response to it.

01:20:26 ◼   ► However big that change is, is it just like oh, make the screen a

01:20:30 ◼   ► little bit taller, or is it like it has two screens and it bends?

01:20:33 ◼   ► Like however big that change is, you need to scale the amount of time

01:20:37 ◼   ► developers have to update their apps based on how big a change you just

01:20:42 ◼   ► made, which means the actual solution is not, oh, make sure you have the

01:20:46 ◼   ► dev tools on day one, because that just frustrates people who are impatient like

01:20:49 ◼   ► Casey.

01:20:49 ◼   ► The real answer is It wasn't just me, Dad.

01:20:52 ◼   ► The real and Marco, the real answer is I want credit for my impatience.

01:20:56 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:20:57 ◼   ► The real answer is people should not be able to have to buy and

01:21:01 ◼   ► have in their hands a duo for another whole month.

01:21:04 ◼   ► And Apple's like, Well, we can't do that.

01:21:06 ◼   ► The holiday season and this and iPhone time is always here and blah blah

01:21:09 ◼   ► blah.

01:21:10 ◼   ► And that gets back to Well, these are all choices that you made, Apple.

01:21:12 ◼   ► I understand why it's difficult, but that's the actual solution.

01:21:15 ◼   ► Not the day or week and a half or whatever.

01:21:17 ◼   ► It's you have to give a longer time between the time that you announce

01:21:21 ◼   ► the product and the time when consumers are allowed to buy it to give

01:21:25 ◼   ► your developers more time if the change requires more work.

01:21:29 ◼   ► If it's small change, then give them a few weeks or a month.

01:21:32 ◼   ► If it's duo size change, I feel like two months would be more appropriate.

01:21:35 ◼   ► And you're like well, they can't give two months the holiday season, the things

01:21:39 ◼   ► are ready to manufacture, but like I understand, but that is the actual solution.

01:21:43 ◼   ► You have to give developers time enough to make their changes.

01:21:46 ◼   ► It doesn't actually matter whether you have the dev tools on day one and

01:21:49 ◼   ► stuff like that.

01:21:50 ◼   ► Like whenever they have them they have them.

01:21:51 ◼   ► The only thing that matters is how long from the time developers get the

01:21:54 ◼   ► dev tools to when they have to have their app updated for your new

01:21:58 ◼   ► device.

01:21:58 ◼   ► And if Apple cares about that, they have to give developers a sufficient amount

01:22:02 ◼   ► of time, which runs afoul of all the other things I said.

01:22:05 ◼   ► And I will add, by the way, that the secrecy screws them here too,

01:22:07 ◼   ► because if if you're not following the minutiae of Xcode releases, which you're probably

01:22:11 ◼   ► not if you're a developer, but like Apple walls off the people who are

01:22:15 ◼   ► working on secret projects, even within Apple, that's compartmental compartmentalization.

01:22:19 ◼   ► They've always done it.

01:22:19 ◼   ► They continue to do it.

01:22:21 ◼   ► Which means the team that is working on the iPhone Duo dev tools like

01:22:25 ◼   ► the simulator with the Bendy phone and all the new APIs or whatever, they

01:22:28 ◼   ► are actually walled off from the rest of the Xcode team.

01:22:31 ◼   ► A subset of them.

01:22:33 ◼   ► It are disclosed on the on the the Bendy phone, right?

01:22:36 ◼   ► And a bunch of other ones aren't disclosed on the Bendy phone.

01:22:39 ◼   ► And so they're working on the version of Xcode that's gonna have the dev

01:22:42 ◼   ► tools that know about the iPhone Duo.

01:22:45 ◼   ► And the other Xcode people are working on Xcode that doesn't know about the

01:22:48 ◼   ► duo because they don't know about it.

01:22:50 ◼   ► And so on day one, the main Xcode team was like, Well, here's the

01:22:53 ◼   ► latest version of Xcode.

01:22:55 ◼   ► And then the iPhone duo team comes out and says, Surprise, we've been working

01:22:58 ◼   ► on one with a bendy phone.

01:22:59 ◼   ► And they're like, Okay well, we have the real Xcode that we're consumers here.

01:23:03 ◼   ► Now we have to like merge your changes.

01:23:05 ◼   ► And they said, well, don't worry about it.

01:23:06 ◼   ► We'll ship 27.1, and that's our version.

01:23:09 ◼   ► You just ship 27.0.

01:23:11 ◼   ► We're gonna ship 27.1 and that's got the bendy phone in it, okay?

01:23:14 ◼   ► But then they're like, But we're about to release twenty-seven uh another version of

01:23:18 ◼   ► twenty seven.

01:23:18 ◼   ► It's like, Well, okay you call that one twenty-seven point two, and you can

01:23:21 ◼   ► release that one, but twenty-seven point one isn't ready yet.

01:23:23 ◼   ► And so you end up with the twenty-seven point two beta that comes out

01:23:26 ◼   ► before twenty-seven point one because the team that was working on it in secret

01:23:30 ◼   ► hasn't had time to merge their, you know what I mean?

01:23:32 ◼   ► Like this is this is part of the fallout of secrecy.

01:23:34 ◼   ► And I'm not saying they can't do that, but they just have to add

01:23:37 ◼   ► that to their timeline of like, all right, well, that just delays how long

01:23:40 ◼   ► it's gonna take before developers have tools to do this.

01:23:43 ◼   ► And now how much time do you think it should take the average development

01:23:45 ◼   ► team to adapt their app for this bendy phone with three screens?

01:23:49 ◼   ► And and the amount of time they're giving, I feel like, is maybe a

01:23:52 ◼   ► little bit tight.

01:23:53 ◼   ► And in the end, that's the root problem.

01:23:56 ◼   ► It's not going to be solved by always making sure you have the SDK

01:23:58 ◼   ► available on day one.

01:23:59 ◼   ► It's solved by pushing out the date the consumers get the product.

01:24:03 ◼   ► And that brings its own whole host of other problems.

01:24:05 ◼   ► Oh so I gotta move the whole iPhone date up out of September because

01:24:08 ◼   ► now I need more time.

01:24:09 ◼   ► Like, this is the situation they're in.

01:24:11 ◼   ► Like in the end, it'll you know, Apple will again reap what they sow.

01:24:13 ◼   ► Well that they'll have fewer apps ready on day one, and all the bad

01:24:16 ◼   ► things that happen to developers with one star reviews will happen.

01:24:19 ◼   ► And we'll all get through it together, but yeah, uh the solution I feel

01:24:23 ◼   ► like is to actually give adequate time for things to happen, which is I'm

01:24:27 ◼   ► gonna say one of the hardest problems in computer science.

01:24:28 ◼   ► One of the hardest problems in management, period, is uh providing those timelines.

01:24:32 ◼   ► Apple does a pretty good job of having timelines and keeping things on them,

01:24:35 ◼   ► but they There is some collateral damage and uh the duo and app readiness

01:24:40 ◼   ► is going to be one of those collateral pieces of collateral damage.

01:24:44 ◼   ► Yep.

01:24:44 ◼   ► Now that is uh annoyingly the rightest answer of the three of us, which

01:24:49 ◼   ► I shouldn't surprise, but you're exactly right.

01:24:51 ◼   ► Photos, libraries on external drives.

01:24:53 ◼   ► Larry Feynman writes, I was so happy to hear you address this issue again

01:24:56 ◼   ► on ATP.

01:24:57 ◼   ► I was even happier to hear Jason Snell help solve this long-standing problem regarding

01:25:00 ◼   ► photos library on an external drive.

01:25:02 ◼   ► I spent countless hours on the phone with Apple Geniuses trying to solve this

01:25:05 ◼   ► to no avail.

01:25:06 ◼   ► I really hope I'm wrong and that the new enhanced series is wrong too.

01:25:09 ◼   ► Here's a summary of what macOS 27 series has to say on the matter.

01:25:12 ◼   ► Quote: If you move your Apple Photos library to an external hard drive, you

01:25:15 ◼   ► will lose the ability to search for specific people, pets, or objects This happens

01:25:18 ◼   ► because modern Mac OS uses a system wide spotlight spotlight indexing for these advanced

01:25:23 ◼   ► searches, which only works if the library is stored on your Mac's internal drive.

01:25:27 ◼   ► Oh swing and a miss, new Siri.

01:25:29 ◼   ► Sorry, I tested it on your latest OS and it works just fine inside

01:25:35 ◼   ► the Photosap.

01:25:36 ◼   ► If they mean you will lose the ability to search for specific people peter

01:25:39 ◼   ► objects when you're searching through Command F in the Finder or through Spotlight, then

01:25:43 ◼   ► that is correct, but that's not what they said.

01:25:44 ◼   ► So I would continue to caution people.

01:25:47 ◼   ► They're like well surely if I ask Siri, it will have this knowledge base

01:25:50 ◼   ► of Apple's product knowledge and it will give me the right answer.

01:25:53 ◼   ► That continues not to be the case.

01:25:54 ◼   ► It will very often give you answers that lead you to uh settings that

01:25:58 ◼   ► do not exist.

01:25:59 ◼   ► Or at or are it do exist, but at a different path.

01:26:01 ◼   ► And no, it's not because it has outdated knowledge because they move things around.

01:26:04 ◼   ► Sometimes it just makes up stuff like, oh, go to this and that.

01:26:06 ◼   ► And it's like, no, there's no setting called that in system settings.

01:26:10 ◼   ► There never has been and there never will be.

01:26:11 ◼   ► Um in this case, it gives what I think is on its face an

01:26:15 ◼   ► incorrect answer about how this works.

01:26:17 ◼   ► Maybe the kernel of truth that it is that is feeding this plausible LLM

01:26:22 ◼   ► generated text is the fact that spotlight searching won't.

01:26:25 ◼   ► And maybe it is also true that macOS uses the system wise spotlight indexing

01:26:29 ◼   ► system for these advanced searches, but the combined answer makes this person think that

01:26:33 ◼   ► they won't launch photos and search for cats, and you will.

01:26:37 ◼   ► It does work.

01:26:39 ◼   ► All right.

01:26:39 ◼   ► Moving right along.

01:26:41 ◼   ► Preliminary M5 Ultra GPU geek bench scores have come in.

01:26:46 ◼   ► We didn't have these last episode.

01:26:48 ◼   ► All right.

01:26:49 ◼   ► So looking at the performance deltas, the increases through different generations.

01:26:52 ◼   ► M1 to M2 is about 34% better.

01:26:56 ◼   ► M2 to M3, 15% better.

01:26:59 ◼   ► M1 to M3 is a 53% change.

01:27:04 ◼   ► And then M3 to M5 Ultra about as About a sixty percent change.