708: Primary, Tertiary, and Third Cousin
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Back from the beach.
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Oh yes, cause school started this week, right?
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How's that going?
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He says with zero enthusiasm.
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Who besides most parents is excited for school to start?
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Yeah, no, that's fair.
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Teachers generally aren't uh the kids sure aren't.
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Um But I mean and I understand as a parent, I understand like, get
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out of the house, get back to school.
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Like that's that's a perfectly valid thing.
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Until I started loving summer for other reasons.
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And now I'm like, No, the summer is over.
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At least you don't have to go to school.
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I I I have to drive every morning towards the school.
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I mean it's But you don't have to attend it.
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I feel like there's some religion here.
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Well, we're at the stage of parenting where um a good degree of involvement
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with keeping homework happening um is required.
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Oh, where does that come from, Marco?
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a lot of the We are indeed in September, which means it is Childhood
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Cancer Awareness Month.
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Uh we are talking, of course about uh raising money for St.
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Jude Children's Research Hospital.
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You can go to Saint Jude.org slash ATP, S-T-J-U-D-E.org slash ATP to donate some
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amount of money to the wonderful, wonderful, wonderful people at St.
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Jude uh Children's Research Hospital.
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Jude has made it their mission for no child to die in the dawn
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They don't want any children to pass away because of cancer and other, you
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know, really, really terrible diseases.
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Um, did you know that an estimated 400,000 children worldwide get cancer each year
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Jude opened in 19?
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1962, childhood cancer was largely considered incurable.
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Since then, St.
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Jude has helped push the overall survival rate in the United States from twenty
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percent to more than eighty percent.
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Jude won't until no child dies from cancer.
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Uh curing childhood cancer is a tremendous undertaking.
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Jude needs your help.
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Uh, the generosity of donors everywhere, including our wonderful, wonderful, wonderful ATP listeners, uh,
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it supports cutting-edge research that saves lives and ensures that families never receive a
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bill from Saint Jude for treatment, travel, housing, or food.
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Every child deserves a chance to live their best life, to live any life
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and celebrate every moment.
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When you support Saint Jude, you can help make cures possible for kids with
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cancer together.
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You and me, listeners we can save more lives.
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Uh we had a person write in to ATP.
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They did not write in anonymously, but I'm going to read their feedback anonymously
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and I've sanitized it ever so slightly.
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Uh this person wrote, this is an honest to God email that we, the
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three of us got at ATP.
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This person wrote, Last December we got the awful news that no family wants
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Our son was diagnosed with def diffuse B cell non-Hodgkins lymphoma.
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We live well outside the Memphis area, so we went to our local pediatric
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We received amazing care, including the great news early on that the chemotherapy regimen
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that would treat our son has been in place for the last fifteen years
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after a very successful trial.
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Where, Marco?
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Jude Children's Research.
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That's correct.
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Uh the anonymous person continues.
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Although the journey was brutal, through God's grace and the proven treatment plan, our
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son was declared cancer free in May of this year.
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He's back in school and getting stronger every day.
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That is an honest to goodness, real life story from a fellow listener to
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this very program.
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So if you want to support things like this, if you want to save
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children's lives, please give a dollar, five dollars, ten dollars, whatever you can give
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to Saint Jude at Saint Jude.org, S-T-J-U-D E.org slash ATP.
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Now, Marco, we have some breaking, wonderful news from earlier today.
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Can you tell us about this, please?
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As I discussed last episode, uh, the Marco offset.
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Previously was it the the suggested minimum donation for our listeners for St.
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Jude that you would basically um take the the amount over the starting MSRP
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of the new iPhone and maybe Apple Watch and whatever that you possibly ordered
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or about to order or are planning to order uh during this wonderful iPhone
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event season.
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The difference between the base price and what you actually paid after all the
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taxes and add ons and cases and Apple Cares and everything else, storage upgrades,
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all that stuff, that was your suggested minimum donation to St.
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And last episode, I introduced new levels two and three to the Marco offset.
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Level two was you also add on to that whatever you spent on AI
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this month, because if there's one thing that we need some kind of consumer
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absolution from, uh besides rampant consumerism and buying new phones to replace phones that
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work, it's AI.
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So if you contribute an equal amount that you contributed to AI this month
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as part of your Marco offset, um you are absolved from I probably shouldn't
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be guaranteeing I mean probably not, but that's okay.
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Uh from from the from the guilt of using AI.
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Um, if you want even more absolution, level three, is instead of contributing what
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you spent on AI this month, contribute what you spent on AI this year.
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That is level three of the Marco offset, in addition to the iPhone uh
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offset that was already there.
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Now, listener Brandon Beckerer uh has a site called themarkoffset.com where Brendan has basically
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made a calculator for this in in past years.
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Well Brandon wrote to say the Marco offset calculator is live for twenty twenty
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six includes the new levels mentioned last week.
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So it includes calculation for your your AI use for levels two and three.
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So thank you to Brendan Beckerer, and please everyone uh contr consider contributing to
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St to Saint Jude in this way, uh if you can.
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It really makes a difference.
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John, anything to add?
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Give to Saint Jude.
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Uh it's easy.
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And just make a part of your annual giving.
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Uh to any degree, any amount that you can, one last time.
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S T G U D E dot org slash ATP.
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So we are skipping follow-up as is as per the rules of the Accidental
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Tech Podcast.
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We are going to jump straight into day.
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The rules of this podcast is it does not begin with the the oh
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my god, can I get this?
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Can I get anybody on this?
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Last time you and Mark would argue with me that there was a the
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in front of the name of the podcast, I swear to you there is
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Wait, I never argued that.
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It was only ever Casey.
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I think it was you.
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It was definitely not me.
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No, there is no the.
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There is no.
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There never has never been a the.
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Cut this out.
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This is for bootleg people only.
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Please, no the I'm not cutting it out, there's staying in and I but
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fine, but like can we get agreement so I'm not taking crazy pills?
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There's no the in front of the name of our podcast.
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I know sometimes grammatically it makes sense to put the the there and we
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do it and blah blah blah, but please.
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So wait, so what was I supposed to say?
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Due to the rules of accidental tech podcasts, that makes no sense.
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Or you can say ATP.
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You can always say ATP.
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God, you're killing me.
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Next thing you're gonna tell me is that it's not the iPhone, it's just
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Well no anyway.
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See that's a case where we all disagree with Apple.
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It's like the the the GIF gift
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where we disagree with the creator.
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Yeah, I well, what can I tell you?
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Well Apple's the one who sa who's saying that like anyway, whatever.
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I'm saying this is what we do with our podcast.
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Apple can decide their rules for their phone and we can ignore those rules
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because we didn't make the iPhone.
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I'm not sure I'm not sure we have unity on our own rules, but
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that's neither here nor there.
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We should, but we totally should.
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There's never been a the Well and I I think it's what's what's most
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um damning for your case here, Casey, is that there's no the in the
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It's not T A T P.
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There's no the in the show artwork, in the title in the feeds, like
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there's it never appears anywhere.
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I'm not saying that it it was not an uppercase T H E.
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It was a lowercase T H E.
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This is silly.
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We gotta move on.
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I wanna I wanna go to bed before tomorrow.
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All right, so uh we have an Apple event event today and it started
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with this very cinematic opening scene with everyone telling, like, oh, this is how
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you should start something off in a dramatic way.
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And it wasn't particularly relevant.
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Like it was fine and interesting, I suppose, but I don't know it didn't
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I I don't really get why we did that, but it wasn't bad.
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Well my first thought uh was that Apple may have too much money because
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like these were scenes from like like full budget scenes from uh you know
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movies of the genres that they were made.
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Granted they were like three second scenes, but it was different setups, different locations,
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different actors, different just like how much money do you have to do all
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these different setups for like a three minute as you note, pointless, not particularly
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related to the technology intro uh intro.
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Anyway, it was blessedly short, it was extremely well done.
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Man, they have a lot of money.
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I mean, but they didn't on writers.
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Oh yeah, I mean yeah, it's not gonna like I I think maybe they're
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flexing like, hey, you know, we we do we have a uh a premium
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television service right now and we uh we fund a lot of really good
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television programs so they have access to to all that talent or whatever, but
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who knows maybe there's no overlap, but just a lot of money.
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And I have to say, and they make this point in the thing that,
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you know, oh this was shot on iPhone, blah, blah, blah.
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I thought this presentation, I thought it looked really good.
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I mean that's not up to the iPhone, right?
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It's up to the, you know, the direction and the the lighting and, you
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know, the setups and blah blah blah.
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But I thought everything in this presentation looked even better than usual, which is
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Uh then we got uh Tim at the very end saying, No, no, no,
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no or well, like, oh, here's how you start the thing, you're in California,
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you follow a car into a tunnel, which is the tunnel leading into Apple
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Park, blah blah blah, and then eventually you see a super extreme close-up and
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says, No, no, no, it's not me.
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That's your guy that's your opener, and then we get uh John Turnus.
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I thought if you were going to do a passing of the torch, which
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I'm not sure that it was necessary, but if you're going to do it,
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I personally felt like this was a very tasteful, very quick, easy way to
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I didn't think they were gonna do it at all.
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I thought it would just be like look, we all it's not like it's
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This has been a long time coming.
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It happened, blah, blah blah.
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But they I was surprised it was in there at all.
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When I heard his voice, I was surprised.
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And I will say that whoever directed this actually got the first the closest
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thing to uh a genuine performance uh of emotion from Tim Cook with his
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one little line of like no no no not me that's your guy I
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don't think he's ever said anything with as much emotion as he said his
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one line here.
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And I'm gonna mostly chuckle it up to the fact that the director did
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enough takes to say, No, we're taking that one, Tim.
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You're you're gonna do it one more time and you're gonna have actual feeling.
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Uh and he did it uh either that or he's like, you know, he's
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got senioritis, right?
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And so he's like, I'm outta here.
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I finally I can let a tiny amount of emotion show in an Apple
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video, and he did for three seconds.
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Yeah I I I I thought it was a it was a a very
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nice very Apple way to do the handoff.
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It's like a a little bit uh overproduced, a little bit stilted, a little
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bit content free, but makes you feel slightly good.
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It it was the perfect like, you know, Tim Cook and and, you know,
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going into you know, Turnus being there and having his first address to the
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audience as CEO.
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And that was also like it was perfect transitional Tim Cook era style of
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like You know, Turnus walked he you see Turnus walking around Apple Park for
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a few minutes saying things saying what?
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I have no idea.
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Like all of the words he said just sounded vaguely good and meant nothing,
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but it was exactly what it needed to be.
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It was here is here's the new guy.
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It was handed on you know, Tim pu passed the baton to John Turnus
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and here's the new guy and he's doing don't worry everybody exactly what everyone
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He he's also like I thought Turnus was like a little bit stilted.
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You know, he's he's new to this.
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You can tell that he doesn't have as much practice doing this as Tim
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did, and he will, I'm sure, you know, get a little smoother with time,
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but it's like a little bit stilted, a little bit tight and forced and
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a lot content-free in that opening address.
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But this is Turnus doing Tim Cook's thing.
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And eventually, I hope Turnus will start doing his own thing.
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That's most likely what's going to happen.
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But he has to kind of like, you know, develop into that in in
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the public persona and and in, you know, his his own role here.
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Um, you know, in the same way that like like the very first season
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of The Office US tried to be like the Office UK and it was
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weird and kind of bad.
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Actually it was very bad at first.
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Um you know like you know, Parkson Rec first tried to be the office
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and it was also weird and bad until it kind of found its own
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I think this is like this is Turnus taking on the Tim Cook style
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and it's weird and it's kind of maybe it's not as bad as the
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Office US season one, but I'm looking forward to seeing what Turnus's style grows
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into as he as he kind of gets his own style here.
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Um, because this wasn't it.
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What we saw here was just Turnus in a Tim Cook outfit, basically.
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But like I I wanna see like how this goes over time.
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This is my note on this section.
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I just uh said that I thought the uh the director or whoever got
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a uh a slight uh an almost a genuine performance out of Tim Cook
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where he expressed a tiny bit of emotion for a fraction of a second.
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But what he also did was performed uh comfort, enthusiasm, and gusto that uh
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uh overshadowed Turnus because he does this little intro and he he gives this
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little bit of emotion.
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You're like, Tim, I didn't know you could raise your voice in that way
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and express emotion with your voice on an Apple video.
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I couldn't believe it.
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And he was right in your face and he's loud and he's just so
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And then they cut to Turkey.
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Well, it's all relative.
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I mean, so expressive for Tim Cook.
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Right, but still.
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And then they cut to Turnus, who first of all, I think his audio
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equalization was messed up.
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He's like me in that his voice just recorded straight sounds terrible, so it
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needs a lot of help to not sound awful.
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He just sounded like muted and like he was talking from inside of a
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paper bag and he was just like like Tim just overpowered him of basically
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saying, See ya, I'm outta here.
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Remember me, that dynamic figure often seen crushing ice and scaling walls like no,
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but like right now it seems like you're that guy and then Turnus is
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just this little lilting flower.
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Now I do think in the rest of the keynote when he got to
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do more normal Turnus things that he felt much more comfortable.
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So I think he did a fine job.
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But this this is my note on this thing.
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It makes it seem like Tim Cook was just an amazing figure, which we
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know he wasn't he was very, you know, very very state and boring and
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just did not express anything.
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And then it makes Turners seem a little bit uh limp.
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But you know, this I I I like as of the for the rest
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of the video, I think he just he was just doing his normal Turnus
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stuff that he always does in these videos and he was pretty good at
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I thought on the whole Turnus did a good job.
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Yes, he stilted.
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Yes, he's got a Tim Cook suit on.
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But in the grand scheme of things, I thought he did pretty darn well.
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Uh I he also spent a little time in this opening montage, if you
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will, maybe not montage, but this opening segment, uh talking about kind of his
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re-establishing maybe his, maybe Apple's values, kind of the corporate values, the hardware values,
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software values.
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I don't know that it was necessary, but I don't necessarily begrudge it.
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I think it was reasonably quick.
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It was reasonable to r kind of set the tone for here's how my
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uh tenure is going to be at Apple.
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I thought it was pretty good.
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Um then they start talking over he starts talking about the intelligent personal hub,
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which is what's going to be at the center of everything they do.
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Uh I don't know, John, what do you think that intelligent personal hub might
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I mean so th there was two parts to this.
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One was like, uh, you know, we don't have your stuff and sell it
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or whatever, which is fine, but they do show us a lot more ads
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But anyway, they did that, which is which is fine, like basically saying we
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don't have the same business model as other companies.
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And then the other part of this little section was essentially a preemptive shot
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preemptive shot over the bow of open AI uh hardware, right?
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It was basically saying, um, you know, intelligence, blah, blah, your info, blah, blah,
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privacy, blah, blah.
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And how will you access that information?
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What you would s you need something that's always with you and that has
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the power to do these things or whatever.
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And it's like this whole big giant construction, it's like, and you know what?
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The answer is the iPhone.
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Not anything anyone else is making.
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Like, not a pendant, not a donut not anything like the answer is the
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iPhone like wow amazing Apple so you're telling me that the product you already
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make is actually the ideal device for AI and I'm not saying they're wrong
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like they're probably right right but that was the point they were making hey
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other people are making all sorts of AI stuff, but actually uh the phone
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is the right answer and we have the best phone.
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And you know, it and it's totally preemptive because there's no there's actually no
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competing product that is like a threat to the iPhone at this point, but
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open AI sure wants there to be one.
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So that was the segment of the thing, which is like open.
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AI, stay away, the phone's where it's at.
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So uh you know, the John Turnus took a few shots across Google's bow
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and said things like, you know, others see your your info as data to
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collect and to store.
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Apple Intelligence runs on device whenever it can.
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Personal intelligence that's actually personal.
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iPhone brings powerful AI capabilities together with your personal context on a device that
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you have with you all the time.
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So we're establishing, okay, here's why the iPhone is important.
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I'm sorry, John.
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Here's Here's why iPhone is important.
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No, that's what Apple does, but we all we do all the opposite.
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Just like the GIF GIF person.
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Remember, he tells us to say GIF, but we'd all disagree and say GIF.
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So that's the Apple situation.
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It's George Lucas clause.
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Sometimes the creator is wrong.
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Uh anyway, so yeah, we start with the iPhone eighteen pro and Pro Max.
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Uh it's got the A twenty pro.
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The highlighted feature is a variable aperture main camera.
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Uh it's color matched aluminum and back glass.
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So if you think about the uh iPhone's 17 Pro, there's that inset uh
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glass section where you would plug uh or snap on like a mag safe
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thing and that's a slightly different color than the rest of the frame of
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the phone and now they're color matched between the glass and the aluminum.
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That's what they say in the thing with the color matching, but we talked
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about this when the 17 Pro came out.
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It's not like the 17 Pro wasn't color matched.
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The problem was there was a texture difference.
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So at a certain angle, on the light, it exactly matched the color of
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the aluminum.
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But if you tilted it just off of that angle, then it didn't more.
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So I know what they're saying, like they're just saying it's color match now,
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it will look the same in more lighting conditions, but I think all they
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did was change the surface treatment so that the scattering effect is similar and
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so it looks like the same color in more conditions.
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I'll I'll see when I get mine to, you know, tilt it to see
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if I can get it to change color or whatever.
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But that's that's the upshot here.
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I don't think the orange one wasn't color matched.
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It was just it was only color match at like one tiny angle uh
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of incident light and every place else looked different.
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That may be true, but I don't think I've ever looked at either Aaron's
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phone or mine and thought, oh, that is perfectly matched.
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You I'm not saying you're wrong, but I don't recall having seen it.05 degrees
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where it is perfectly matched.
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But it does.
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I'm twirling mine around now.
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Like there is a point.
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It's just it's a very small point.
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It's very narrow.
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If you're not exactly on that angle, it doesn't I think it's just because
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it's it's the surface treatment.
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In any case, that we've got four colors.
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We've got black, silver, glacier, which actually looks really good to me.
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It's like a very light blue, almost white, and Burgundy, which has a Virginia
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Uh, I should probably buy that one if I do end up buying an
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18 Pro, but I don't know.
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I think the glacier looks really good.
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Burg Burgundy is not deep cherry, which everyone was like, oh, it's gonna be
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deep cherry or whatever.
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And not only is it not called deep cherry, because obviously the names are
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difficult to leak, even though the leaks basically got the color right.
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I think it is less deep cherry than deep cherry would have been.
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Like it is lighter than I thought it would be in Apple's publicity shots.
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It is not as deep and dark as a lot of the spy shots
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Uh it's a little bit like sort of more metallic-y, brighter and I think
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maybe not as strong as the deep cherry ones that I saw in the
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spy shots, but maybe also less offensive to people.
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My wife loves the color.
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She's this is one of her favorite colors.
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She's not getting this phone, but she actually does like that color.
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So there's one vote for somebody liking the color.
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Fair enough.
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I think these colors are a lot more muted than the orange was.
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Like Oh, definitely.
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Based on all the leaks and everything, I was at least expecting the glacier,
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the the light blue color.
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I was expecting that to be a little more saturated, but like as I'm
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watching everyone's YouTube YouTube hands on videos and stuff from the hands on area.
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Like I'm seeing these colors in kind of as close to a realistic uh
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view as I as I can at this moment.
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They all look kind of restrained.
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Um the burgundy was a lot more restrained than I thought it would be.
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The the blue is, you know, that as well.
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They brought back black because everyone wished there was black on the seventeen line.
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Um and of course silver 'cause some people like to make no choice.
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Um but but ultimately like I I think it says a lot about the
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success of the color of the iPhone 17 Pro with the orange.
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That like they led the introduction of the of the new Pro iPhone.
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They led it with the colors.
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That was the very first thing they showed us and talked about about the
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new iPhone Pro, which if you look like before the 17 Pro with the
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orange one, the colors of the Pro line were like almost an apology at
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the end of the pro sec segment that they would have.
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Like They would talk about everything else first.
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The chip, the camera, the screen, all this stuff.
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And then at the very end, it's available in four colors.
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They're all different shades of gray.
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Um and this is like, wow, we made people care about colors with the
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orange phone.
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Turns out people like Prophone colors.
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It was such a big hit.
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We're gonna lead with that this time.
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That I think says a lot.
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Yeah, I agree.
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I just wish that the colors were a little more bold.
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Um I think that would have been nicer.
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Well and and I think ultimately th it's gonna go in cycles.
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If you look at how Apple did colors on the the non pro equipment
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over the years, that that's always had, you know, much better color options.
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Um they also kind of went in waves of vibrance, I would say.
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Colors are fashion.
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IPhones are fashion.
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You know, we we're we're gonna see later when we get to the Apple
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Watch section.
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There's a lot of like fashion influence of the colors of the watches going
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on right now.
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Last year they d they made a splash with the orange one, but not
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every year is gonna have like a big vibrant splashy color.
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This year, it there they did, I'm sure through lots of research and lots
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of analysis of trends around the world, they decided the colors this year are
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going to be a little bit more restrained, but a little bit different.
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And it's not a new orange, it's Two totally different colors.
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Um and I th that's the pattern I would expect to see.
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I I just I hope that the bold orange was not like a one-off
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that we're never gonna see again.
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I because you can already see like with this color line, they're going a
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little bit safer.
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Like these don't seem as risky.
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They definitely seem like they're like stepping back into their their comfort zone, which
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in this case is a very bad thing.
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So I'm I'm hoping they remain uncomfortable and they somebody kicks them back out
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of their comfort zone next year and we get, you know, some kind of
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you know a little bit more striking color next year.
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I think the burgundy is just as saturated as the orange.
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Orange is just a brighter color than burgundy.
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Burgundy is by its nature a darker color, but it is at least saturated,
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just like the black is saturated.
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The silver and the glacier are are the typical pale ones that we always
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But like, yeah, that burgundy I mean that is I that is as saturated
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a burgundy as the orange was, it's burgundy is not as bold a color
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That's the bottom line.
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I I wouldn't I wouldn't, but i the burgundy at least is uh is
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a strong color.
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And I like I like it for that.
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Even though it's my thing, it is like a a statement.
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It is a strong color.
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It's not but it's just it's not as it's not as vibrant as the
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orange, but um but it is it is at least an opinion.
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Whereas, you know they went through when they were going through all the different
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shades of gray in the in the non sexy way, it was all just
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like we're gonna have as little opinion as possible.
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Like like last year, like the iPhone Air colors where the iPhone Air came
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in three shades of very, very close to white and black.
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And it was like and you looked at the three shades of white, you're
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like why are these even different colors?
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And you know, th that was like we're afraid to make any statement whatsoever.
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This is not like that.
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This is this is making a statement.
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You know, this year, the statement it's making is a little bit more, you
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know, low-key than last year's color.
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Uh the 18 Pro and Pro Max are the same size as 17 Pro
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and Pro Max.
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The Pro is five grams heavier, the Pro Max sixteen grams heavier.
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Uh they also allegedly per Mac rumors have twelve gigs of RAM, same as
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the seventeen pro in Pro Max.
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By the way, sixteen grams heavier on the Max is a lot.
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Well, it's all battery.
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Um there was one moment in the video where somebody said uh and blah
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blah blah something something the smaller size of the eighteen pro is like did
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they make the eighteen pro smaller?
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They meant compared to the the folding phone, which we'll in a little bit.
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But like I was excited for one moment, but they're literally exactly the same
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Uh although they didn't give measurements on the what we all assume is to
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be the larger uh camera plateau.
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Apple really never gives that type of measurement.
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So we'll see uh when we see more videos about Then they made uh
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uh they did a little bit of talking about Apple Intelligence and they made
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kind of an offhanded point.
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Well maybe not offhanded, they highlighted it, but one way or another they said
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two and a half billion Siri requests per day.
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Uh somebody pointed out, I forget who I saw this that posted this, but
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that would that would probably be one and a quarter billion for if it
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actually worked the first time.
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Um and then they noted or I noted that on the little slide that
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they put up, they said that the they support or will support Chinese traditional
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and simplified, I believe is what it said.
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But interestingly, Apple Intelligence is not available in China, or at least won't initially
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Well, those languages are spoken in different.
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No, no, I know, but it it still struck me as striking, for lack
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of a better word.
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Aren't they doing something where they have to use like a one of uh
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like some China uh uh AI model instead of using the ones that they
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Like there's this whole big deal with how they're gonna get Apple intelligence to
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China and it involves using entirely different tech stack as usual.
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Uh they also noted that there will be some server side AI limits, which
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we've heard about in the past.
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They said increased access will be be will be available in most iCloud Plus
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They keep they keep talking about this.
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They've said it a few times that every time they say it, they're hand
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wave, hand wave.
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By the way, did you see that they they extended the free satellite SOS
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for the iPhone fourteen, fifteen, and sixteen again?
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Hey, that's what you want, right?
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I believe like I I know I said back then like they're probably just
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never gonna let that expire because why like why would they ever let this
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emergency life saving thing on an iPhone expire?
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Like 'cause one person dies from that and that's a disaster.
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Like they would never in a million years do it.
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Whereas they would love to keep that going forever for free for every iPhone
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that supports it.
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That way they can eventually say things like, This person's life was saved by
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this feature.
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Like they would much rather do that.
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So as long as the satellite SOS stuff is not costing Apple a huge
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amount of money, which it probably isn't uh just but by volume, uh I
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I'm sure it's fine.
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Uh I don't know.
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I I as we discussed last time, I think there are ways to make
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it so it's free for everybody to use, but then like after it saves
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your life charge you money and I I don't put it past them to
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figure out how to do that.
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Uh you you know, you hear their artificial voices, you have to wait on
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hold, you have to enter the same information over and over again or tell
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the same information to agents over and over again.
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Eleven Labs has this product called 11 Agents, and this is made to solve
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I also have a very simple phone system by, you know, a different provider
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It can't do any of this cool stuff.
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Let's talk about performance.
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They talk about the A20 Pro.
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I'll try to run through this quickly.
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Uh it is a two-nanometer process, which we expected, a six-core CPU with two
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new super cores, which they specifically quoted or said are desktop class.
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Uh four new efficiency cores, allegedly 20% faster.
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A seven-core GPU with 40% faster graphics performance.
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Uh neural accelerators, which mind you are different than the neural engine.
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Uh the neural accelerators are two times faster on floating point math.
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It has twice the neural engine with 32 total cores and two times the
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compute power.
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50% increase in memory bandwidth, which I reckon would will make a big deal.
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Custom packaging inspired by the M series, they said, with the silicon die side
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by side with memory.
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Uh the CPU is connected directly to the vapor chamber now for quote dramatically
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improved thermal performance.
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And what do we call that, Casey?
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Uh that's a triplet, right?
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Then you watch the meme video.
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I try to educate you on your history, but no.
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Oh, I'm sorry.
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It's Christian Sidram.
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Remember the Christian side?
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You've already forgotten.
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It's three episodes ago.
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Give me that Christian side ram.
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Uh that's what's inspired by the M series If you look at an M
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series SOC, they have RAM next to the SOC.
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And now the iPhone does too, which as we said in the past episode
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when we were talking about the rumor, that means that the RAM is not
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on top of the SOC.
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And so you're not trying to cool down a sandwich of RAM and SOC.
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Instead, you've got the SOC, and right next to it is the RAM, and
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you can put the heat dissipating things right up against the RAM, and most
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importantly, right up against the SOC.
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Um, and like the uh M6, they doubled the neural engines, so that's just
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you know, we're gonna have two of those when once we had one, uh
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'cause I guess it pays dividends.
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Um they didn't talk too much about the cores, but they both had new.
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It's a new supercore, it's a new efficiency core.
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So I'm guess these are the better efficiency cores and maybe the same super
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cores from the M six, but we'll find that out when people start slicing
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these chips open.
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Yeah, it does seem like there's a lot of common elements here between the
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A twenty pro and the M six, which we would expect.
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Like that is what they usually do.
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Um but it it seems like the phone chips keep getting closer to the
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desktop chips.
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Well see the thing like they used to do, the phone chips would have
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the chorus first and the M series would have them later, so the phone
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would come out and then like the current M series would not have the
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same chorus.
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But I wonder if they're in sync now.
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Uh anyway, the schedules are all weird, so we don't.
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But they the way Apple reversed everything, new super cores and new efficiency cores.
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Ugh, I just can't keep track of it anymore.
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But we'll we'll find out when people uh again slice the tops off these
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chips and start looking at the silicon on the actual chips and then we'll
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figure out which core is which.
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They have much better thermal design like we were talking about.
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Um the vapor chamber has three times the surface area versus the 17 Pro.
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It has 80% recycled stainless steel.
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It has nano-twin copper material to move heat away from the display.
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It's a 40% game versus the 17 Pro and twice as good as the
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16 Pro and older.
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I can tell you that having been to a football game weekend before last,
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I think it was.
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Anyway, it doesn't matter.
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Having been to a football game where I'm outside for a long time in
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the direct sun, uh, I that is like my stress test for thermals on
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And where the, I think the 15, certainly the 14 was like this where
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uh after getting in the direct sun for more than a few minutes, you
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it the the screen got so d dim and dark that you could literally
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barely read it, or at least I could.
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The 17 Pro definitely dims itself, but never to the point that it's difficult
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And allegedly the eighteen pro is going to be even better.
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So if you're one of those people like me that has had real hard
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had a real hard time uh using your phone in direct sunlight, you should
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really consider the iPhone 18 Pro, because I think it'll be way, way better.
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Yeah, if you look at the pictures of it, like the whole the whole
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back of the phone, though it's just one giant vapor chamber.
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Instead of like, oh, we put a little vapor changer near where the chips
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No, it's just covers the whole back of the phone.
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And then the the whatever, the nano twin copper material.
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Now, I don't know if past phones also had some kind of heat dissipating
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thing behind the entire screen.
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But if they did Apple had never touted it before.
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And so I have lots of hope that this will help specifically with the
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situation where like you were just talking about Casey, where you have a phone
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out in the sunlight and sun is going through the screen and bouncing around
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there, a little greenhouse effect and heating things up because just from the direct
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sunlight on the screen.
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Now the entire screen has essentially a heat dissipating thing behind the whole screen
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and hopefully that is pulling heat out of there and into the place where
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the vapor chamber can uh deal with it.
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So I I have high hopes for the cooling capacity of this phone based
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on the pictures they showed.
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Yeah, and that's kind of thing like like Casey was just saying, like good
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thermals in a phone can just make such a difference in everyday capabilities and
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annoyances and limitations.
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And this is what like part of what I was complaining about last episode
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about the iPhone Air, is that the iPhone Air kinda went the other direction,
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it has terrible thermals.
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Um but the iPhone 17 Pro has great thermals thanks to the vapor chamber
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compared to the 16 Pro.
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And now they've done an even bigger step in that same direction.
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The iPhone eighteen Pro now allegedly, if this is all correct, which it probably
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is, has even better thermals than the seventeen Pro did, which was already very
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So this should help a lot with the with things like, you know, having
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the thing work in the sun, um, working in cars like in the summertime,
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uh, and you know, all the way up to things like sustained gaming performance,
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which, you know, I'm not really that kind of gamer on my phone, but
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a lot of people do that kind of thing.
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And it it does matter a lot.
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All right the iPhone 18 Pro and Pro Max have the N1, which is
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Wi-Fi 7 and Bluetooth 6.
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Additionally, according to Mac rumors, and this is a very uh sketchy was the
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word that came to mind, that's dramatic, but a very unclear situation for the
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I mean I think that's I think I I believe they're sourcing because they're
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basically going off of like the bands like the the the Wi Fi or
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not Wi Fi the cellular bands that are supported by the chips and there
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is a difference between the eighteen pro and the eighteen pro Max and so
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I think this is plausible.
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So they are saying that the 18 Pro has the C2 cellular chip, but
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the 18 Pro Max does not.
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And we'll put a link in the show notes to that.
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Uh with regard to the battery, uh, they're saying, in short, a whole heck
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of a lot better.
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And also you can get half a charge in 15 minutes via a wire.
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And five minutes of wired charging gives you six hours of video playback, which
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is really darn impressive.
00:34:18
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Uh then we got some gaming from Kayan Drance.
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I uh went to sleep for a little bit.
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But then we talked about the camera.
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Still with Kayen.
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Uh we, as I mentioned earlier, get variable apertures.
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So there's laser-cut blades, each of which is thinner than a human hair.
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They made their own specialized polymer composite.
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There's new rotor mechanism, a custom design lens, and it's automatic based on the
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In in the dark, you should get up to fifty percent more light.
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Night mode will give faster capture.
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I've seen a couple of different uh uh people cite different f stop numbers
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and the one that seems most consistent is f1.8, but I've seen 1.4 something
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in other words.
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Yeah, they showed some sample shots that are 1.4.
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I mean the F numbers are all weird because everything about this camera is
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tiny, the sensor is tiny, the lens is tiny, the distance between the lens
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and the sensor is tiny.
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Like so I don't know like all all these um measurements that have to
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do with photography all have all sorts of weird historical reasons for why they
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are what they are.
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And it's hard to translate them directly to a phone situation.
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But you just have to judge from, you know.
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Comparing to other iPhones, which have been roughly the same size, uh, that's where
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you can get an idea of the measurements of this.
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But the important part is, yeah, that it has an actual mechanical aperture, which
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means the hole that lets light in can change size from a big hole
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to a smaller hole.
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That's That's a thing that is useful in photography.
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Every other iPhone up to this point has had different apertures on the different
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cameras sometimes, but each individual circle on the back of your phone had a
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fixed aperture, which meant the hole that let the light in to the hit
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the sensor was always the same size on each one of those circles.
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The circles could be different from each other, but it never changed size.
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And real cameras have an aperture on them that can change size, and now
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so does one of the cameras on the iPhone 18 Pro and Pro Max.
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Yeah, now I think there's this is gonna probably be a fairly small deal,
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not as not as big of a deal as you think, um, because of
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its variability, but so the the four apertures that it supports are f one
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point four eight, one 1.8, 2.8, 4.0.
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The outgoing iPhone 17 Pro camera has a fixed aperture of 1.78.
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So this one, 1.48, is its widest open, which means if the sensor has
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remained the same size, which it probably has that means the 18 Pro camera
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can let in more light when it's
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most of the time that's gonna be what it's
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most people shooting most of the time are generally probably going to be shooting
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with the lens wide open unless you're trying to achieve certain effects, um which
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most people aren't, which is why I'm kind of surprised they even put this
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in here at all.
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Well I the I the point they made with the narrow aperture is true
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because that annoys me with my current phone camera.
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If you have a bunch of people who are varying distances from the camera,
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but the close one is close to you, it's hard to get them all
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in focus with a fixed aperture.
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And so being able to narrow it on a sunny day, that's the picture
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they show, like people on a staircase, and it's look, the faraway person's face
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is also kind of in focus, and so is the close up person because
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they narrowed it to F4 or whatever.
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That's so that is true that but but I think what what I think
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might be a little bit misleading about this, um, if for people who are
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thinking about it that way, is that on a very, very small sensor like
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this F one point four eight does not mean the same thing as F
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one point four on your SLR lens.
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Like it does not mean the same thing at all.
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It's it's much more I I don't I don't know the math right off
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the top my head.
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Like I I don't know what the equivalent is, but they're all wildly different
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than you think.
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But still one point is one point eight is bigger than four.
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They're just not the same as that would be on a real camera.
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Um the other thing to to keep in mind here is that again, like
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because of the light gathering abilities of these sensors and how tiny they are,
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most of the time, again, most of the time the the phone is gonna
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run it at the widest open aperture anyway.
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Um so if you want that effect of having a lot more depth of
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field than you even um normally would have, you're gonna have to have a
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lot of light or have it be doing a lot of noise reduction and
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blurring up the picture afterwards.
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So that it's always a trade off.
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Finally I would I would point out that the the aperture blades that they
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showed off are
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few in number and straight compared to any SLR lens that's worth it.
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Yeah, you're not getting good boca bubbles.
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So when the iris of a good SLR lens contracts, it tries to make
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the hole in the middle as close to a circle as it can.
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Now you see how it works in the video, how it has these blades
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that kind of slide in.
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So when you know real cameras, like when they design these blades, they usually
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have at least eight of them.
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This you know, there's only six in this, and they make the blades curved
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so that as they squish in it is closer to a circle shape.
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And the the nicer the lens is, usually the more blades there are and
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maybe maybe the more curved they are.
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I don't know at that part, but they at least add blades.
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Um and so what you're trying to do is approximate a circle because wh
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whatever shape the iris is that results from them closing in, any blob you
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have in the background of of the blurry area, any blob like a point
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light source especially will take on that shape.
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Oh I don't think I knew that.
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So you want it to be a circle or you want it to be
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close to a circle and if you if you look at like you know
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the the comparisons on like lens of like cheaper lenses with fewer blades versus
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the more expensive lenses like they'll show you the difference.
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It it's pretty apparent.
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So to have only six blades and have them be straight, you're not gonna
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get the look that you want without some processing.
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I mean the blades are tiny though.
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That's why Yeah.
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Everything about this is so tiny, I don't really blame them.
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No, uh agreed.
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But that this is all kind of why I think like if what you
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want is an SLR look without computational tricks, I don't think this is gonna
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bring you as close to that as you might think.
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Yeah, I think it's just giving a little bit more flexibility for for the
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apertures that are all effectively very tiny holes in like again in the in
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the grand scheme of things, how big physics.
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Physically speaking, in millimeters is this hole leading to the sensor and how big
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is the sensor?
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Everything is so tiny.
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Having a little bit of flexibility here is good.
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I'm I'm looking forward to it, especially, you know, given the manual controls that
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we're gonna get to in a second.
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If I can actually pick it and have some say over it, I mean
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maybe it'll just be like the slider in liquid glass where it's just like,
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look, there's only two settings all the way to the left and all the
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way to the right.
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Why bother in the middle but we'll see what the auto setting does for
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Yeah, exactly.
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And and I think overall, like this sounds like a a very good camera
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upgrade broadly for lots of reasons um mostly in the software, honestly.
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The hardware doesn't seem like it's that different.
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Um but the larger widest aperture, going from F one point seven eight to
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f one point four eight, that will help everything.
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That will help low light performance.
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Like that's oh that is always a good welcome change.
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That's what they were showing off with that video of like, look, it's like
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uh lighting a match in a totally dark scene and the match is illuminating
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the actress's face.
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It's oh shot on iPhone.
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Yeah, there you go.
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So we got some discussions about the software, and this is where we start
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talking about pro controls.
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First of all, there's cinematic effects from regular video after captured, 60 frames per
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That's time-lapse in 4K with Adolby Vision.
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Uh the audio mix where you select like um not uh not scenes is
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the word I'm looking for, but like, oh, I want to focus on what's
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in the frame.
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I want to focus on the environment, whatever the case may be.
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Well you the that m feature is uh now has music support, which is
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So they showed like a couple of jazz musicians playing on the street.
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Oh I will say also for the video, like again, this is all shot
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on iPhone, blah blah blah.
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Uh they really went with HDR in this whole presentation.
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I know lots of past presentations have been HDR.
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I know because I've struggled to download the stupid HDR version from App HLS
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servers because of some kind of bad Akamai uh node near me that refuses
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to let me download them.
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But anyway, I know they've done HDR a lot and and for I think
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for a couple years now.
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But having watched this on iPro display XDR, I thought their use of HDR
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in these segments was really good.
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Like it wasn't like, look, the sun is in your eyes.
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Ah everything was just a little bit brighter, a little bit sparklier, a little
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bit richer, it looked really good.
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And if that was if that's the shot on the iPhone stuff, again a
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lot of it has to do with, you know, obviously the people who are
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directing the scenes and deciding where to stage them and how to light them
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and stuff like that.
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But I think their their taste in how to deploy HDR in a video
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that is essentially people standing in front of things talking.
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I think they did a really good job of that this time.
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I'm not sure how much of that to credit the phone for, but the
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phone was obviously part of the mix.
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And if my if the videos that I take of my family and my
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dog and my outdoors and stuff uh could look half as good as their
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setups here, I'll be happy.
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So we got the pro controls and camera app.
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Uh sorry, third party camera folks.
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This is yeah.
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It's amazing that they've lasted this long, basically having such a simple camera app.
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I mean I know there's lots of little gadgets and buttons or whatever, but
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like there's such a huge uh market for third-party camera apps that, like, hey,
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you know, there are software controls for all the settings that you would want
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on a camera, and we can just expose them to you in an app.
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And there's apps that do that.
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Uh, you know, obviously the the ones that stand head and shoulders by very
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else are pretty popular and have their own technology to go with it.
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But finally Apple said, All right, we can do that too.
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Like we can we can just put we can just put the white balance
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control right in the the the camera interface.
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Every other app in the world does it.
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Uh now we can do it and we can let you adjust shutter speed
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and do like it's like yeah, and I feel bad for those camera apps
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like, oh man, we had this market sewn up because Apple just refused to
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do it with the built in app.
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So basically our app if if our app's the one they find first, well
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we have these controls and it's great.
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And now the bar has been raised substantially.
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Now it's not enough to just say, Hey, I have a third party camera
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app that lets you have some more controls because the built in one has
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a pretty good interface to a lot of the basic controls that weren't there
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Yeah, and I believe they said it was customizable, right?
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Did I did I hear that right?
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Oh probably in the same way the current one is, where you can kind
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of decide what you want to see and how many controls you want to
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see and which thing.
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But we'll see how it uh it ends up.
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Like it's obviously not going to really compete with the high end third party
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camera apps that have way more features than this, but it is they're finally
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taking a step in that direction, saying it's there's we're not going to hold
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back and just give the simplest possible thing.
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And arguably they started down that direction when they introduced the camera control and
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all that stuff and setting aside how that physical control worked, they have been
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adding more stuff to the camera app and now they're continuing in that direction.
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So we've got these pro controls.
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You can do white balance, they'll show a histogram, you can do the aforementioned
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manual aperture, you can do shutter speed, and all of this is also supported
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Uh one of the cooler things that they did talk about that I noticed
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or that well that I thought was cool, not I'm not trying to imply
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I'm the only person that noticed this.
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Um I thought it was extremely cool that they made a specific mention that
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for video, and I'm not sure how you enable this, but for video, you
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can do focus tracking, which it which means like l they they showed the
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example of a kid's soccer game and the kid is running toward the camera.
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And generally speaking, in the past, it's been kind of hard to get the
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phone to stay focused on the kid is there or anything really, as it's
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moving closer or further away from the camera.
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Um but they said not only will they do focus tracking, so keeping the
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focus on this child as they're running closer and further away from the phone,
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but also if they exit and then re-enter the frame, That is super cool
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and I'm really excited to try that out.
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Was this only video or was it also a photo?
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Because that's another feature that that like, you know, my my so my real
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Sony cameras, uh one of their big selling points is how well they can
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latch onto a thing you're trying to photograph and keep the focus on it
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and same deal.
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Like keeping the focus on the person, even if they turn their head around,
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if they turn their head back, it grabs their eye again.
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If they're running across the frame, it keeps track of them.
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Like same deal.
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And it's always amazed me that Apple has not jumped on that faster because
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the the SoCs in the in the iPhone are massively more powerful than the
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ones that are in these Sony cameras, and yet the Sony cameras are have
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a reputation for grabbing focus and not letting go and doing really well in
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these situations.
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So it's Apple taking some of that If it's for video, it'll be kinda
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disappointing.
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I was kinda wish they would just bring all my Sony camera controls to
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the iPhone plain still image thing.
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Again, because the phone has just so much power.
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Like I should have no problem just trouncing the Sony in this area, but
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so far they haven't been very excited to do so.
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And part of it is like, okay, if you're uh taking pictures or video
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of your kid playing soccer from reasonable distances, because of what we just said
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before about yeah, F one point four blah blah blah, but practically speaking it's
00:46:21
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not the same as F one point four on a full frame camera because
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everything is tiny.
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What that means is all your apertures are tiny.
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So at the distance you're videoing your kid, everything in that field is in
00:46:32
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Like it's it's a tiny hole.
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I mean, maybe it's like it's just I I don't think there's like this
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this shallow depth of field of like, oh no, I was at f1.4 and
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only my kid's nose is in focus.
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And if it and if it misses focus on him, then he's just a
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blur in the background.
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That's not a problem with phone video from normal viewing distances.
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So maybe that's why they waited so long to get these fancy focus controls
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because it's like, look, just point it in the direction of the kids and
00:46:57
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hit record and I'll be fine.
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Also, um unless I miss something, it also appears as though All of the
00:47:04
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other cameras on the phone are unchanged from the seventeen pro.
00:47:06
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Uh it seems like the the front camera, like the you know, the new
00:47:09
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square sensored front camera that we got last year, that seems exactly the same.
00:47:13
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The Forex camera seems exactly the same.
00:47:15
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Like every the the ultra wide, every it seems like Everything else is unchanged.
00:47:20
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Um and most likely the sensor on the forty-eight megapixel one or on the
00:47:23
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one X forty megap the sensor also seems like it was unchanged because they
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didn't mention anything about it.
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Um so it seems like the variable aperture uh is the the only change
00:47:34
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uh for the camera system this year.
00:47:35
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And then these other software controls, which again are useful.
00:47:38
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Um, but this is this is a a medium camera upgrade year and it's
00:47:43
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much more on the software side than the hardware side.
00:47:45
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The only even rumor there was about cameras other than the variable aperture one
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being better was that maybe the telephoto would go to ten X, but it
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doesn't, so that didn't happen.
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Yeah, there was there was this like last minute rumor drop, almost all of
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which was wrong.
00:48:00
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Uh yeah yeah yeah.
00:48:02
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So there are new uh texture and grain controls in the photo styles thing.
00:48:07
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That's that like matrix where you can drag around the little cursory thing and
00:48:10
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try to lock in the exact photo style you want.
00:48:12
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So now you can do it with with texture in green control.
00:48:15
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Uh they did make a bit of a stink about authenticity and they said
00:48:19
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they're supporting the synth ID standard, uh which John has helpfully linked for me
00:48:24
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in the show notes.
00:48:25
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Uh I think that's the right thing.
00:48:26
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I know that you had trouble hearing them and I I didn't actually look
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at the subtitles, but I'm this is what they were saying.
00:48:31
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So this is something that Google's come up with that I think a a
00:48:34
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fair number of people are starting to embrace.
00:48:36
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Uh they're talking they're they spoke about Apple reference image where the camera securely
00:48:40
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signs the photo data data, excuse me, at pixel level at the time of
00:48:45
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And then private cloud compute creates a reference photo that lives peer to the
00:48:49
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edited photo so you can visually confirm what's actually in the shot.
00:48:52
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So I guess what happens is it will always uh uh as far as
00:48:56
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I can tell anyway, the the original photo will always be there and will
00:48:59
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ride along with whatever edits you make to the photo.
00:49:02
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I'm unclear about the mechanics of the phone.
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I mean that's what happens now.
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Like that's that's has always been Apple's photo system is your original remains unmodified
00:49:08
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and then your your your all your uh edits are like effects on top
00:49:11
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But what they're saying is not only are we going to continue to do
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that, but we're going to sort of sign the original so it can you
00:49:17
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can prove that this was captured by Apple's camera and it hasn't this this
00:49:21
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original capture hasn't been altered.
00:49:22
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Whereas with their other system you can just replace that original behind the scenes
00:49:25
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with whatever you want and say, Look, this is what my iPhone took a
00:49:28
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It's like, Well, was it signed by all the secret key?
00:49:31
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I don't know why they're to private cloud compute, but presumably there's some computationally
00:49:34
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expensive thing that they don't do on your phone that they'll do at their
00:49:37
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leisure on private cloud compute.
00:49:39
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But presumably there's some kind of hardware signing thing involving the secure enclave or
00:49:42
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whatever and the image processing and the sensor and blah blah blah that makes
00:49:46
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it so that you can't fake one of these things.
00:49:48
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If you have an image that is signed in this way, you can be
00:49:52
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sure that it was uh these are the actual captured pixels from one of
00:49:56
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these Apple camera devices.
00:49:58
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That's the idea anyway.
00:49:59
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Yeah I'm I'm very curio curious to learn over time like How how does
00:50:05
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Why does private cloud compute get involved?
00:50:07
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Is there some kind of like registry of the keys or something?
00:50:11
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Like what happens if one of the keys gets compromised?
00:50:14
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Like like if if a phone's key gets compromised?
00:50:17
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I I think it's just because it's computationally expensive.
00:50:19
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I don't I think that's why they're going to that's the why they always
00:50:21
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go to private cloud compute.
00:50:22
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It's not like it's it's because they d don't want to do it on
00:50:26
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your phone because it's too much.
00:50:27
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Right, but like so i if what they have set up here is basically
00:50:31
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a system that um creates a pretty strong incentive for people to be able
00:50:35
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to prove something that wasn't really captured by a sensor.
00:50:38
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They you know, what happens if one phone's key gets compromised somehow or there's
00:50:43
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some hack developed such that people can s you know make it make photos
00:50:49
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that aren't real get signed as if they were real.
00:50:52
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Um I don't know.
00:50:53
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This this could be very interesting in the age of AI and fake everything.
00:50:59
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If it all works.
00:51:00
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But that's a big if.
00:51:02
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I mean, but that's that's the what we do with un all encryption.
00:51:04
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Like, yeah, if someone gets some secret key or whatever, you can fix stuff,
00:51:07
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but like we have to make an effort in that direction, which is we'll
00:51:09
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use the best technology we have, which I mean Apple's pretty good at this
00:51:13
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stuff so far and like so far none of their hardware keys have been
00:51:15
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leaked in such a compromise everything.
00:51:17
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But yeah, that's possible, but it's better than not doing it at all.
00:51:20
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Like the alternative is okay, well don't do it at all.
00:51:22
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And there's nothing, you know, trying to prove that this thing, you know.
00:51:25
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So I I know what you're saying, it's like, oh, you have the system
00:51:27
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and people start believing in it, then you can fake things more easily because
00:51:30
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people believe in it.
00:51:31
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But I think if it's cracked, we'll all know that it's quickly.
00:51:37
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So we got uh told that there's an upgraded dynamic island.
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It's smaller.
00:51:41
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They did not make much of a big deal of this, which I was
00:51:43
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a little surprised about, but now you can have up to three live activities.
00:51:46
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And they specifically cited our friends over at Flighty, which I thought was neat.
00:51:50
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Then they did a kind of overview of the new features of iOS 27,
00:51:53
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which they spoke about back in June.
00:51:56
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Uh there's new cases.
00:51:57
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There's an updated clear case.
00:51:58
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There's new colors for Tech Woven and for silicone.
00:52:01
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Uh there's a new wrist strap for iPhone cases and for AirPods Pro.
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And the pricing.
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So it starts at $1200 for the 256 gig model, which is up a
00:52:10
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$100 over the 17 Pro.
00:52:12
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Also, the 16, 17, 17E and Air are all now $100 more expensive.
00:52:18
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Same phones.
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They didn't.
00:52:21
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Then the Max starts at $1,300.
00:52:23
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Both of these phones you can get up to two terabytes of storage.
00:52:26
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Uh Apple upgrade, it starts at $35 a month for 24 months.
00:52:30
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You get twelve hundred dollars off if you trade a 14 or newer.
00:52:34
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Uh they introduced briefly Care One Family.
00:52:37
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So Apple Care One Family so you can have uh family members on the
00:52:41
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I think this would have solved a lot of your problems, right, John?
00:52:43
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Well I have a section on that.
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I didn't realize you'd have that up there, but I had a section on
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So here's the deal with AppleCare family.
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So what they say on their Apple.com slash Apple Care pages They say cover
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up to three devices with Apple Care One individual, which is the new name
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of what was previous just called Apple Care One.
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So now it's Apple Care One individual.
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And then they say, or choose Apple Care One family to cover every eligible
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device for up to six people.
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That's not just like three, you know, the individual has three devices for one
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The family is uh every eligible device for six people.
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So it seems like if if uh one person owns fifty devices, you're, you
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know, anyway.
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Um obviously you pay for each device you cover, but anyway.
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Um After you sign up, easily add devices straight from your phone or Mac,
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including most devices less than four years old and in good working condition, blah
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Here's the problem with this plan and the reason I'm still staying away from
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Like I I said they should do a family plan, but the problem is
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color cover every eligible device for up to six people.
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Well how do they identify people?
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Because I have a lot of accounts with a lot of different Apple IDs
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and like for like dev testing stuff or whatever.
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And I'm gonna run out of the six people and I'm not gonna add
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first of all, I'm not gonna add my dev testing device to my Apple
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I'm even sure if you need to do that.
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But second of all, I've already got more than six.
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I've got four actual people plus a bunch of test dev accounts.
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And granted, they don't have any devices that need to be covered by Apple
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Care, but to remind everyone what happened to me last time was if you
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have a Mac with multiple accounts, which I totally do, and you ever sign
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into an account that is not one of the accounts that is covered under
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Apple Care One, they just yank that device off of the thing.
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Say, sorry, we saw a different Apple ID on that device.
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Now it's not covered anymore.
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Um, I have had reports from listeners who said, Hey, I've got Apple Care
00:54:22
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one, I log into a whole bunch of different accounts, it never bothers me.
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So maybe they changed this, but if they changed it, they didn't say anything
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And when I looked at like the terms of service, like the PDF terms
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of service, which is weird they have like a picker, you have to pick
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your state that you're in.
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Anyway, when I read the language and their Apple Care One terms of service,
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it didn't look any different to me.
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It looked exactly the same as it was before, where they just say like,
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one person, one this, whatever, but the problem with me was always, uh, you
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you sign into a different Apple ID?
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Well now that Mac belongs to a different person because you switched accounts, and
00:54:51
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that person is not part of your Apple Care One family because that's limited
00:54:55
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to six and dead And dev tester twenty-two is not part of that six.
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And so sorry.
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So yeah, I'm staying far away from this because my last experience with it
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was terrible.
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If someone in Apple knows that they have changed this policy and or have
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fixed this bug, please tell me.
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But last time I pursued this all the way to the end, Apple Apple
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said that's just the way Apple Care One works.
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No, we can't change it.
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If you don't get off Apple Care One.
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So that's what I did.
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So uh and again, like I said, I've had multiple people say this is
00:55:20
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no longer the case, but I don't trust it.
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So I'm staying away until I get official word from Apple that I can
00:55:25
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log into a different account on my Mac and they won't yank it off
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Apple Care One.
00:55:28
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Oh, I do get that confirmation.
00:55:29
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I am very interested in this.
00:55:31
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Oh, I've skipped something uh earlier that I wanted to briefly talk about.
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Uh iPhone handoff.
00:55:35
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This was in the iOS 27 section.
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Uh you can share a single phone number between two phones.
00:55:40
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This has been slightly rumored, slightly discovered earlier.
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Uh it only supports T Mobile, I think anywhere right now, but they said
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that Verizon and EE will be adding support by end of year, which could
00:55:52
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be interesting and useful for me in the future.
00:55:54
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We'll talk about it a little later.
00:55:56
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Uh anyways, so yeah, Apple Care One Family.
00:55:59
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Uh you can pre-order this Saturday and launch is September 18.
00:56:03
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All right, so then they t talked about the AirPods Five.
00:56:06
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Uh, I don't really have much to say about this, but the brief overview
00:56:09
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is that it's got uh all the AirPods Five have active noise cancellation, uh,
00:56:14
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which is also fifty percent better than it was before.
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They claim it's the best ANC in any open-ear design.
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Um, they talked about some other features it has that have been common for
00:56:25
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They had a very cheesy demo of live translation, which is very funny, where
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somebody walked up to a woman saying like oh, come to our show, it'll
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be fun, or something like that.
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And she says, Thank you.
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Um, it was very weird.
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Uh anyways, you get uh for $129, you get the this is the same
00:56:42
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price as the previous generation, but that generation didn't didn't have active noise cancellation.
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So last time it was 130 bucks for no ANC.
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Now it's 130 bucks with ANC.
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And then they eventually got backed around to announcing AirPods 5 with wireless charging
00:56:59
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case which they wouldn't say the name of it for a strangely long time.
00:57:03
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But this includes on-stand volume control, uh, better battery life, and again, a wireless
00:57:08
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charging case.
00:57:09
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And here it is the same price as before 150 bones.
00:57:12
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Uh Uh that is again pre-ordered on Saturday.
00:57:15
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Both of these pre-order on Saturday out on the eighteenth.
00:57:18
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And they noted that this means active noise cancellation is now standard across the
00:57:22
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entire lineup.
00:57:22
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John, are you in for a pair?
00:57:24
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I already ordered a pair.
00:57:25
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I I must have not been pay attention to the RPS V rumors or
00:57:29
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maybe the uh on stem volume didn't leak, but that is the killer feature
00:57:32
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Because remember I don't use the pros, so you've been enjoying the little on
00:57:35
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stem volume swipey thing, and I haven't had it.
00:57:38
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And now I do.
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And so like I don't care about the A and C 'cause in general
00:57:41
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I don't use noise cancellation on these.
00:57:43
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And honestly, the the noise cancellation on the AirPod four, like they're open ear,
00:57:47
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like they don't go in your ear hole.
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So it's never gonna be great.
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They say that it's better.
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I'll try it.
00:57:51
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I'll see how much better it is, but it does really hurt your battery.
00:57:53
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But anyway, that's what I love about these AirPods 5 with wireless charging case,
00:57:58
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is that they've got the on sim volume control and they supposedly have better
00:58:03
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And those are all things I want.
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I like I said I use the AirPods all all all the time.
00:58:07
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Every there's not a day goes by when I don't use these things.
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And so I'm replacing them with these five.
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Uh it's gonna be a a big upgrade for me.
00:58:14
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And I as far as I can tell, they're the same shape, which I
00:58:17
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like because the current shape fits me.
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So I was very happy with this.
00:58:20
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It was the first thing that I ordered.
00:58:22
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It it's orderable today, not on Saturday, then I misspoke a minute ago.
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You can do a pre order or whatever I don't I don't know.
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Like you I I I I did a I did a double tap on
00:58:30
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the side button with Apple Pay, so something happened.
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Then I guess you can order today and they'll am I right to say
00:58:35
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they're out on the eighteenth or am I making that up?
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Uh I didn't look what the ship date was, but probably Now John, did
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you order the AirPods five or did you order what was first called this
00:58:45
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And then eventually was renamed AirPods Five with Wireless Charging Case.
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Which remember like last year we they they did the same thing with like
00:58:54
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the AirPods Four or whenever that maybe two years ago, whatever it was, AirPods
00:58:57
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Four and then they had like the AirPods Four with active noise cancellation.
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It's like this is two different products, and they just refuse to really name
00:59:05
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the second one.
00:59:06
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Just call it like AirPods Five Plus.
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Or like it's uh it's a different product between the base AirPods and the
00:59:16
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Just give it a real name.
00:59:18
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Because that they have to keep dancing around it when they present it.
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I'm sure it causes lots of confusion when people try to buy it.
00:59:24
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What a weird thing they keep doing with just insisting that this is just
00:59:29
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it's the same product.
00:59:30
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Well, except for this version.
00:59:31
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This version of AirPods 5 with wireless charging case with different capabilities.
00:59:38
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It's physically different on the outside now.
00:59:40
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At least last time they were physically the same on the outside.
00:59:42
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But this on the outside is the physical outside appearance is also different, in
00:59:46
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addition to the inside being different.
00:59:47
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When when I bought this on the phone app, I was using the Apple
00:59:49
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Store phone app.
00:59:50
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Um, you have to tap on AirPods Five.
00:59:52
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You're like, but I don't want the five.
00:59:54
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I want the five with whatever.
00:59:55
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Like, but you have to tap on five.
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And then you have two choices within the five, which is like it's like
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the bin CPU and then on bin CPU, it's like AirPods Five or AirPods
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Five with wireless charging case.
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And then it says in little bullet points, also it has a volume control.
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Also, it has better battery on.
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Like anyway.
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It's a different product.
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Just call it something else.
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AirPods 5, AirPods 5 Plus, AirPods.
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Apple Watch Series 12.
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Uh they made a big stink about health and fitness and their new health
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sensing system.
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Uh there's uh different physical sensors on the back of the Apple Watch.
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Uh there's increased area for the electrodes, redesigned photodiodes, uh larger, more efficient, more
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power efficient uh green LEDs.
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And this leads to accurate heart rate measuring all day long, every five seconds
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which is like a sixty X increase or something like that.
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This is hu so this I think by by introducing this new sensor array,
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and they talked a lot about you know they they said that they did
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a new study where that showed that Apple Watch now has the most accurate
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heart rate sensing in a wearable.
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Like between that and this kind of more continuous background heart rate monitoring, this
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is really gonna compete if it works, a lot better with like the garments
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and the you know, th that kind of wearable of the world um in
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a lot of those areas.
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I think this is great, especially like the background heart rate now being taken
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every five seconds instead of I guess every 15 minutes or whatever that would
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Um that's a big difference.
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That's a really big difference.
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Um, you know, and it's it ha it samples HRV every five minutes, which
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is also like a huge increase from where it was before this is much
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closer to continuous heart rate all day.
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Like that's basically what this is.
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Like that's very, very close to what this is.
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And that, if they choose to use the data this way, which that's, but
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if they choose to use this data in this way, they could do things
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like it's basically always tracking a workout in some form.
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So like if you forget to start your workout, or if you forget to
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stop your workout, or if you get forget to resume your workout after you've
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paused it for a while they now will have more data that they can
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kind of patch in to make up for that.
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Um they can probably also, if they choose to use this, have better sensing
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for things like the workout detection things of like, did you did you start
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a walk outside?
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Like maybe that feature can get better with this new data.
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There's all sorts of potential for
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all of the heart monitoring and related features of the Apple Watch to get
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significantly better now that they're gonna have way more frequent data when you're not
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in a workout.
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So that I think could be very, very promising for you know general Apple
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Watch usefulness over time.
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And um you know, to to also have this new sensor that promises to
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be more accurate.
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That's very, very promising.
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I hope this pans out the way it sounds like it it could.
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It sounds really, really good.
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Uh they did this comparison where they led to the conclusion that they are
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they we only we are the best uh and most accurate wearable.
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Uh they did this by apparently comparing to an ECG chest strap as a
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reference, which I mean, fair enough.
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Um they talked about all sorts of different health stuff.
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I I honestly it I was paying attention, but it was so much so
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fast that I think I need to have some time with the redesigned health
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app, which uh is not coming until later this year.
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But one of the things they said is they're going to do a readiness
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like score from zero through 10, which is your body's capacity to take on
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So basically, hey, we think you're exhausted, maybe take it easy.
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Or, oh, you slept great.
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You should go run a marathon, or whatever the case may be.
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This is uh such a great gamification of health, like literally gamification, like when
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you have video game characters where you have abilities on cooldown, and it's oh
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your your meters are fully charged, right?
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Like this is basically you're starting the day and it's like, you know, like
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what was it?
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Like good to go or like go for it is like you're you know,
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all your meters are fully charged versus like maybe take it easy, maybe you
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know, and so this this goes great with the other gamification that they add,
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which is health age, which I know lots of apps and stuff have done
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this, but it's like, you know, what everyone wants to hear is like you're
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thirty years old, but you have the heart of a twenty year old.
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Like everyone wants to hear that.
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No one wants you're thirty years old, but you have the heart of a
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sixty five year old.
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Uh and unfortunately, if this feature is accurate, both of those are possibilities.
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So everyone wants to hear that they're younger than they think they are, but
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I guess finding out that you have the heart of an eighty year old
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when you're forty is Telling you something and maybe go to the doctor, but
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uh that's another one of those sort of like gamified stats of like, you
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know, what uh what are my character stats?
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Uh how full are my meters?
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Uh that's what these things are telling you in theory.
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And this is also the the readiness score and and all this stuff, this
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is following a lot of broader trends in the fitness wearable market.
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Like this is exactly the kind of thing that like whoop bands and aura
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rings and all these other wearables that have had you know had some success
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Um this is the kind of thing they do Their apps analyze their data
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and they tell you basically all of these same things.
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And that's a large part of why people like them.
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Like people buy these by these other wearables for all sorts of other reasons,
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but this is these are all very popular features of them.
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So as Apple, you know, we we got the rumor uh a few shows
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ago that that larger Apple Watch rethinks are in the works and they're looking
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to maybe rethink some of the lineup and expand them and and go into
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new markets and stuff um you know over the next few years, but none
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of that was going to be ready yet in time for this.
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This kind of shows like they're taking a step towards that.
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They I think they're realizing that they are honestly losing ground to a lot
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of these other wearables.
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Like As I said back then, um, you know, a few weeks ago and
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we talked about it, look around at how many like young people are wearing
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Apple watches and it seems like the numbers going down.
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Like it seems like no one's wearing an Apple Watch that I'm seeing like
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below age twenty-five.
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Well young people are healthy or think they are anyway.
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Yeah, but but it it does seem like I'm seeing a lot of whoop
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bands and aura rings and I I'm not seeing the Apple Watch seem to
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Um so they do need to move into these markets.
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And this, you know, the hardware probably is not ready yet for them to
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start doing that.
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But I'm glad to see them like starting to take this competition seriously by
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doing a lot more of these software features and by working on the basics,
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things like the heart rate accuracy like to you know, to try to compete
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better with the rest of the market.
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So this is all kind of playing into that story, I think.
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So I'm glad to see it.
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So like I said, there's a lot of health stuff.
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Um and I tried so hard to keep up and I I couldn't.
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So uh we're gonna mostly skip over that.
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Uh they talked about some new Apple intelligence stuff for the watch specifically, uh
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and especially audio intelligence.
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This includes sound recognition, so your Apple Watch will know uh if there was
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like a doorbell in the background, for example they also talked about live rewind,
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which lets you see a transcript of the last 15 seconds of conversation around
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You do this by double pressing the digital crown.
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Um, they had this as the way they demoed this is a waitress or
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you know, a s supposed waitress rattling off today's specials at a restaurant at
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just an astonishing pace, which of course, uh but it was very contrived and
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very funny to me.
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You know, you can just ask the server to repeat the specials just That
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is something you could do.
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And and by the way, it's a 15-second cap.
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It's not gonna fit.
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When's the last time?
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Like, if you're at a restaurant and they're reading off some, you know, some
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lengthy specials, let's say, it's not gonna fit in fifteen seconds.
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I assure you.
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Like it's less.
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Marco, what do you even know about restaurants?
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Fifteen seconds is long for specials, but I well so here's the other thing.
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It's a transcript either, it's a summary.
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That's true.
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It is not i I sh I did say transcript, and I think that
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might be inaccurate.
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I think you're right, John.
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It's a summary of Well no, I I think the 15 second uh one,
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I think that I'll double check the the white paper.
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I think that one actually is a transcript.
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Um, but it's the Siri recap feature, which we'll probably get to in a
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That's the summary.
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Yes, yes, yes that's well either way, when they showed the little demo, remember
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you're looking at this on a watch screen.
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So fift can you imagine scrolling through fifteen seconds of speech on a watch
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screen and trying to get something out of it?
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It's not ideal.
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Definitely not.
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And then as Marco just brought up, there's Siri Recap, which is basically in
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the same way that the heart rate stuff was like a screw you to
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the whoop band, Siri Recap is a screw you to like the little pendants
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that everyone seems to think are very cool.
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So what this is is uh high-level notes of your conversations.
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You review them in the Siri app.
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You can enable it always or on a schedule.
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You can turn it on or off via control center.
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The audio is not recorded or stored, I think.
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Uh the audio cannot be accessed by anyone, including Apple.
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The speakers are not identified.
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And I didn't get a chance to read this.
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It sounds like Marco, you at least got a chance to skim it.
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But there's actually a okay, there you go.
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So there's a white paper that talks about the privacy implications of all this.
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Since Marco, you read it, can you give us any notes from that or
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is it not really that interesting?
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So the everyone is reacting to this and I think it is warranted.
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So the way this works, the way Apple has designed it, is audio is
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recorded on the watch in a special area of the SOC that is isolated
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from the rest.
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So they so like the operating system and the rest of the SOC doesn't
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have access to the audio data.
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It is signed.
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It is encrypted and signed.
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It is then sent off the watch to your iPhone over Bluetooth.
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The iPhone SOCs from 16 from iPhone 16 Pro forward.
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Um the iPhone SOCs also have one of those similar exclaves that isolates the
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audio, can decrypt the one with like a key pair thing from the phone
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or from the watch.
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And so basically, so the watch records audio but can't read it, sends it
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to the phone, the phone reads the audio and transcribes it on the phone.
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Because I guess they don't want to burn the watch's battery, burn the transcription
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model on the watch.
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And the phone obviously can have better models anyway.
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So then the phone summarizes it using local Apple intelligence.
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To cut it down to about half of its length and try to enforce
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some kind of guardrails on whether this is a transcript of a conversation we
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want to keep or record at all.
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Then it sends it to private cloud compute, which does an even more involved
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summarization and safety guardrail check.
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And it sends it to private cloud compute along with a bunch of context
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data, the same way they send Siri AI requests.
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So you know that your personal context about things like where you are, what's
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going on around you, that kind of stuff.
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It sends all that to private cloud compute, and then that generates basically an
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even denser and more filtered summary of what is being said around you.
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And then those are kept for seven days and everything is local and end-to-end
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encrypted, similar to other iCloud, you know, sensitive data like your keychain and your
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health data and stuff like that.
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So that's how this works.
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And they s they're saying they are filtering out things like personal identifiers and
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and you know that kind of sensitive information.
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But that is all a lot of guardrails and a lot of safeties and
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a lot of technical hoops jumping through to protect your privacy for something that
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is fundamentally an invasion of privacy.
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There are lots of ways that you could see this going wrong.
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Um, they they're very careful to say that the audio is not accessible to
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anything, anywhere anybody, anytime.
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But the topics of what you talked about are.
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And there's lots of situations that you can imagine where that is first of
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all pretty sensitive.
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Second of all, possibly dangerous to the people in the conversation.
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Third of all, possibly um violating people's trust around you by them not realizing
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that you have a device on your wrist that is taking notes on your
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criminal effing conspiracy.
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Um there's a lot of potential problems with this.
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And honestly, I don't know why Apple is inviting the flames onto themselves for
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Like, why would they want to turn the Apple Watch into something that everyone
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is going to be as suspicious about as the Meta Ray Band glasses?
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That's what they're doing with this feature.
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And I and they're you know rumored to be doing the same thing with
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the AirPods with the cameras.
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And I think this model of what we're seeing here is actually probably a
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pretty good indicator of what the AirPods Pro with cameras are going to do
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themselves which is they're probably gonna do the same thing not only with audio,
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but also with video of like they're taking video probably, they're probably not going
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to make those recordings of the video available to anything, but they will probably
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analyze the content of what's going on around you and take notes and allow
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you to review those notes.
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That's that's my guess.
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Uh but anyway, going back to the Apple Watch, think about the kind of
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the kinds of things they can record here.
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Sensitive personal conversations.
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Sensitive work conversations.
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Things that are risky.
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Things like, for instance, like coordinating, scheduling, and discussing an abortion.
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There's a lot of states where that is not a safe thing to be
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on a record somewhere.
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Uh what about if you are queer and you live somewhere where that is
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illegal or very dangerous, um, and you have any record of that whatsoever, there's
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a lot of situations where Apple is is considering that, well, this is all
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secure and no one's ever gonna get to it.
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What if your spouse knows your passcode?
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That's pretty common.
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What if someone else is looking in looking at your phone and you don't
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necessarily know that they're looking at your phone?
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There's a lot of untrusting relationships out there or a lot of things that
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you think are no big deal and it's no big deal for someone to
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have access to this, but then they they get access to it or they
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see something that maybe you didn't think they would see or that maybe you
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didn't even know they were gre they could see.
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This just seems like it's an incredibly dangerous foot gun to use AI to
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speak, which I know I know I didn't invent the term foot gun, but
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it uses it a lot, which is fun.
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Um but I don't know why they're taking this on.
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I don't think the value is just so massive that it's worth
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the possible reputational damage and heat of this.
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In the same way, I I said similar things when they launched the AirTag,
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because the AirTag also kind of seemed like, Wow, this is a really big
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risk of like privacy, reputational problems and and stuff like that for for a
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pretty small product, honestly.
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And I think this is the this is the next level of that.
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This is Apple putting a feature into every series twelve and ultra four Apple
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Watch that I think is going to really make people hate them.
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It's gonna invite problems.
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It's going to be used in criminal cases.
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It's going to be used for persecution.
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It's going for domestic surveillance and spying on people.
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It's going to be used for harm.
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Now it's also going to be used for good.
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And you can think of lots of like useful things about this, but does
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that overcome the harm of even with what they've done?
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Of like it is privately recorded and the audio is never sent anywhere or
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or readable by anything, and you're only seeing transcripts and summaries of transcripts, high-level
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topical summaries, but like but even a high-level topical summary could contain sensitive information.
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And I do think it is a violation of trust of the people around
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you to use something like this.
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And I just I do not see this ending well for them.
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Did they talk about the uh activation situation with this?
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Is this a thing that you have to opt into?
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Is it on all the time?
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Do you have to activate it and turn it on?
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If you do turn it on, how long does stay on?
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Do they cover any of that?
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Yeah, it's so it's there's a switch in control center on the watch.
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Uh just like a in a regular icon on control center.
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You can turn it on and off whenever you want and you can have
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it um gated to certain areas.
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You can say only have it on when I'm at work is the example
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So it seems like it has some kind of geofense capability where you can,
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you know, use it here or don't use it here, but you know what's
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gonna happen.
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People are just gonna leave it on.
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Like that's that's what's going to happen.
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And even even if they don't, even if you say, fine, just use it
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at work, how does your employer feel about that?
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How do all of your coworkers feel about that?
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Like there's there's just a lot of potential giant red flags on this that
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just make me wonder why they put this in here.
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I think it's because this is the trendy AI thing to do.
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This is perhaps because Silicon Valley is its own little bubble that doesn't really
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understand reality a lot of the time.
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Um, I think it's because that this is this is a very much keeping
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up with the Joneses sort of feature.
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I don't particular way with any particular thing you just said, but I think
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that Apple feels like this is table stakes, and so here they are.
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My my guess is this is a shot at open AI.
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'Cause like th yeah, there's a bunch of like dumb little startups trying to
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make stuff like this.
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No one's buying them.
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It isn't like Apple is catching up with the rest of the world here,
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because the rest of the world largely has said we don't care about these
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kinds of products.
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Um but which is why not everyone's wearing them all the time.
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Um so I could see like if if there was some like you know
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AI necklace that was taking off that everybody was buying and using in their
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work meetings, I could totally see Apple saying, Okay we're gonna do that for
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the Apple Watch and neutralize that market.
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But that market doesn't exist.
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It's it it's not there.
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People keep saying it's going to be there, like the next big thing, like
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you know, m the metaverse, and it's not there.
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Like no nobody wants it.
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Um so Apple kind of walked in here as if that market was already
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So that's why I think maybe maybe OpenAI was going in this direction with
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one of their products.
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And so Apple, as we know, is pretty annoyed at OpenAI's hardware efforts.
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So maybe that it influenced this and and possibly um blinded them to some
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of the realities of what this means and and what this might mean for
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Um I hope that's not the answer.
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I I hope they had a better reason than that.
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But uh at this moment I'm not really seeing it.
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Maybe they're thinking of it as an accessibility thing or whatever, but it definitely
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wasn't that way.
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You know, a a more aptly way to do this, and obviously that it's
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not the what they chose to do, but a more aptly way to do
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this with the with the pieces they have is uh make it iPhone only,
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uh, and require the proximity sensor on the front of the iPhone to not
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be sensing anything in front of it.
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So then basically you're requiring the screen to be like unobstructed and then put
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some kind of graphic on the screen that's like a giant red siren rotating.
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So that basically it becomes much, much harder to surreptitiously record anybody because if
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you can't have your phone in your pocket, you can't have your phone face
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down on the table, you have to have it somewhere where there's like a
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clear shot from the screen out into the world.
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And you could still use it that way, but like that would be acknowledging
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the main problem with this, which as you said is Mark was like, do
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people know?
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Like people are gonna look at you and say, Oh, you have an Apple
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Watch, are you recording me?
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Which is exactly the meta Ray Ban problem.
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Oh, it's got a line on it, you'll always know, blah, blah, blah.
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Oh, yeah, really?
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Um, if it's if it can be hidden at all, it's uh you don't
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notice someone's you don't think their watch is recording you.
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And maybe an AI pen it'll be more obvious, but you know what's more
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obvious than a watch?
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A phone screen up on the table with a graphic on it that's going
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with a giant ear going, We're listening, we're because there's These products are useful
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in like work contexts and stuff like that.
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But the problem is, okay, but what about the whole rest of the context?
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And geofencing's not gonna cut it.
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And like you s you don't want to be suspicious of these things in
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other contexts.
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And if it's just a built-in feature of the watch, that makes every watch
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Whereas if it's something that people just use at work in a very obvious
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way, uh, you know, and maybe the the phone proximity sensor is not a
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great idea, but like something like that, you know, where the egg or the
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donut has a a flashing light on it that can't be disabled or something,
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and the egg or the donut is harder to hide.
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I don't know.
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It's it's difficult, uh, but like I feel like we're in s still in
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the early stages of adapting society to these technologies.
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Kind of in the same way when like photography first became a thing, we
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had to establish societal norms and eventually laws about when it is and isn't
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okay to take a photograph of strangers.
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Um, I'm not saying we have the perfect situation for that, but it took
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a long time from the advent of photography to the current situation now where
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we don't view cameras as this giant invasion of privacy we because we have,
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again, laws and social norms about when it is and isn't appropriate to use
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And you can still be creepy with a camera and blah blah blah, but
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nobody knows any of that stuff for this stuff.
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Forget about laws.
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We don't have any laws about anything because we can't pass laws anymore in
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this country.
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But correct.
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Um but for like s societal norms, this technology is all too new.
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We have no idea, like I mean the the norm of the meta ray
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bands is don't do it because you look like a creep.
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But what what's the social norm if once the Apple Watchers can do it?
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We'll we'll figure this out.
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But I agree with you, Marco.
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This is probably not the final form and it's probably a bad idea.
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And why are they doing it?
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I yeah, I think it's like it's pressure and open AI and it's like,
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well we can do it and everyone else is doing it, so we should
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try to do it too.
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And probably a bad call.
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And then if you think about like think about all the contexts now that
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like in you know, six months from now, all the different types of workplaces
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and societal places and situations where they're no longer gonna allow people to wear
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Apple Watches.
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And now think about the same thing happening to AirPods within a year.
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Like that's why I think these features are are dangerous to the product in
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the sen if in lots of ways, but also in the sense of like
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you're giving more workplaces and and venues and things, you're giving more places reasons
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to ban people from wearing these devices and using these devices there.
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And that is is not good for the products.
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You know, if you're wearing an Apple Watch for health monitoring or for the
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many, many different utilities that it offers, you don't want to have to take
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it off when you go to work because now your workplace has a policy
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that nobody can wear Apple Watches because they're recording everybody all the time.
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Same thing, like they're if they're pushing the AirPods as health aids, like the
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hearing aid features of AirPods are amazing.
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The hearing protection, like this is all the last thing Apple should be pushing
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for is any reason to make it societally unacceptable to wear AirPods.
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But yet, if they launch the camera AirPods, they're gonna do exactly that.
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And and again, this is that same thing for the Apple Watch.
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I worry about that for these products because these are products that have amazing
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value the more you wear them and in the more places you wear them.
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And the last thing Apple should be doing is giving businesses and things reasons
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to ban them.
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I think they could do the air I don't know what they're gonna with
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the AirPods one, but I think they could do the AirPod line in a
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way better way because uh first of all, d don't have it be a
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camera but have it be like an IR sprayer or something so there's never
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any visual data or whatever.
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And second of all, have the only function of it be what's in front
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of you right now I will speak a summary of it to you.
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Like what kind of bird is that?
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What kind of car just went by?
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Who am I talking to?
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So there's never any permanent record of anything.
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There's no quote unquote recording of anything.
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It is entirely some kind of sensor sees what's in front of me, AI,
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blah, blah, blah, real time, speaks into my ears and that's it.
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No data retention whatsoever.
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I think that would be privacy preserving, it would be good for accessibility and
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it would let people identify birds and remember people names.
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Yeah, I mean that like th i when you when you hear the stories
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of how much blind people can be can benefit from the meta ray band,
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because it's a way for something with AI sensibilities to look at the world
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around them, tell them what's around them, and keep their hands free because their
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hands are probably busy with a dog, a cane, object, something else.
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Like that's why it's so game changing for blind people with the Ray Bans.
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The AirPods with the cameras would have presumably similar value and probably even more
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Because they c they would probably have way longer battery life.
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They would cost less money.
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So like that's And they wouldn't be sending your video to a data center
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in some country where someone can look at it.
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Yes, exactly.
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So that's possibly very helpful.
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Um but again, like if there's any creepy features that are there, they're gonna
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get a stigma associated with them and it's going to harm all those use
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So Apple has to be very careful with the features they develop around this.
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And this Apple Watch feature suggests to me that they're not being careful enough.
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Uh we gotta hurry this along.
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So there's a new SOC, uh, there's some new colors, space gray, black, light
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gold, and dark bronze.
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Uh the aluminum has ceramic shield two, which you knew from the iPhone's uh
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seventeen pro.
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Uh there's two new polished titanium finishes, Radiant Gold and Natural, which are which
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is 100% recycled titanium.
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It's one new finish.
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The gold is the gold is lighter gold.
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Fair enough.
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Uh there's also ceramic in pearl white and night blue.
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This all starts for an aluminum GPS model at four hundred bones.
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You can pre-order today, available on the eighteenth of September.
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Uh the Liszt family is in for so far.
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One of the uh Apple Watch uh aluminum, uh the forty-four, whatever, forty-six millimeter
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aluminum for me to replace my series ten.
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I thought about going ultra, but I just don't think I need it.
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I just don't think it's necessary for me.
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So I'm in for one.
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Uh once I get a chance to get Erin in front of the Apple
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store, you know, like app or whatever, we're gonna order one for her.
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Uh what did you guys buy, if anything?
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I I'm getting um no pro iPhone this year.
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Uh for the first time ever.
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I'm just talking watches.
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Slow down, kid.
01:26:54
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I'm just talking watches.
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We passed the phones already.
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You didn't a Well, but there's one more phone to go.
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There's one more thing Marco.
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I didn't say anything about that.
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There's actually one more thing.
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Um but I for the for the watches, um I I didn't buy a
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watch last year, uh so I'm rocking a series ten.
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Uh I am gonna upgrade to the series twelve 'cause I want that ceramic.
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They I had the ceramic back forever ago uh I believe it was the
01:27:17
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series five was the last ceramic one they did.
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Back then it was an addition that cost twelve hundred dollars.
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Um so for now it only being nine hundred dollars is actually a reasonable
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price for what it is.
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It's about it's like I think it's slightly more than the titaniums or th
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or the same price as titanium.
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So that's honestly great news to me.
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The thing with s the thing to know about ceramic, and I it looks
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this way on the new ones too, uh the
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bezel around the screen, there's like a slight gap between the screen crystal and
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where the ceramic starts, like the curvature of it, like it juts out slightly.
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So the this like the crystal mound on top is slightly smaller than the
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ceramic base it's sitting on.
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So if you care about that kind of detail, like when I had the
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Series five, I noticed that and I didn't like it.
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And this this one looks like it has the exact same um design.
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The ceramic is also very slightly larger in footprint, probably for that reason.
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And the ceramic is heavier than titanium.
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Uh so it's something to know.
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The other thing with ceramic is that it will make it so that any
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watch band you have that has the like the shiny polished metal lugs will
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Um so it it does restrict your band choice somewhat in that there is
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no like matching metal finish for the ceramic.
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Um one other thing to know, for some reason the dark blue ceramic is
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heavier than the white ceramic.
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I don't know why.
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Um Yeah, it's not by a lot, it's like one gram or a gram
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and a half, but for some reason the blue is heavier.
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And the white, I'm not entirely sure, is white.
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Like I I was I was watching all the YouTube videos from the hands
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on area trying to figure out like eggshell.
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Yeah, like they're calling it the the the band they sell that matches it
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is called Sand.
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Um and it's it's it's definitely some kind of off-white uh but the question
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is how far off I guess?
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Um so that also could make it a little bit more difficult to match
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with straps.
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Uh so we'll see how that goes, uh but I'm I'm looking forward to
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it for um you know more for novelty sake.
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Like the the regular series Apple Watch has looked so similar for so long.
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Uh I'm ready for some novelty in its design.
01:29:33
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And that's and I've I've enjoyed wearing an ultra for most of the summer,
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in part because of the novelty of the design, and in part because I
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like the big screen.
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I'm hoping the white ceramic will will kind of tide us over design wise
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on the regular series so it doesn't seem so boring and so played out
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until we get some kind of you know different hardware redesign, which is again
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rumored for next year.
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Um the other thing I'll I'll say is on the Ultra uh four We're
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not there yet.
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We'll be able to do that.
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But to be honest, there's almost nothing to say, so carry on.
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Although although Marco, I will say, um are you going to order your ceramic
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watch without seeing it?
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Are you going to wait till you see it in person to pick which
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one you want?
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I just ordered it because in the videos it looks pretty bright white.
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Um you got the white one?
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Yeah, I got the white one.
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And I and I went back to the smaller one.
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Um so for the for the last few months I've I've kind of gone
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between um the small one, the big one and the ultra at different times.
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I'll spend like a few weeks with each one, mostly testing out UIs and
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stuff, but then you know also kind of seeing how it fits in my
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The I w I would wear the Ultra year round if it didn't suck
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so badly when you have a long sleeve over it or a jacket cuff.
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Like anything with like a cuff sleeve or a jacket, the way it goes
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over that ultra, just it's so clumsy like getting it over the that thick,
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bulky, sharp-edged watch.
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But all summer, I love the old jerk, 'cause I'm not I don't have
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a jacket or a long sleeve shirt, so that's great.
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Um but in the winter I like something that that's sleekier and goes under
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a sleeve better.
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So for me that's the regular one.
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And I I like the small one.
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It's just so light and and like unobtrusive on my wrist.
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It feels like I'm you know like I'm I'm my I'm waving my arms
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around ridiculously right now.
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It just feels like I can like wave my arms and if they're all
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they're all lightweight and mm I'm I'm free, free as a bird.
01:31:16
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Um so I like that.
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Um so we'll see we'll see how that goes.
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Um the ultra, let's might as well cover that now.
01:31:22
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Uh longer battery life.
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Uh seems the same otherwise.
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You know, the new SOC.
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So it has the new software features and the new sensors on the back.
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Longer battery life for some reason.
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Uh Uh which seems probably mostly related to the SOC.
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And they ruined some of the band colors.
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That's about it.
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Like so all of the the watch bands this year, the um the ultra
01:31:46
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I think the best band for the Ultra is the Ocean Band.
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It's the silicone band with like the bumps and the like the ridged loops
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and you can like pick any slot and you know, stick it in and
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kind of buckle it down.
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And they made for some reason they turned these wonderfully colored ocean bands previously
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into this like translucent garbage color.
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And they it's three different garbage colors that are all translucent.
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They look terrible in the pictures.
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I'm hoping they look
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it look better in real life.
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It looks horrendous.
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So I think they might have temporarily ruined the ocean band.
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Uh but that which would be a which would be a shame because it
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is the best ultra band.
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But the rest of the lineup, everything is very earth toned, which is very
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in right now.
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This is what I was talking about earlier.
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Browns, beigees, this is all very, very in.
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Which honestly, I'm not a fan of this trend.
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It's very hard for me to buy nice shirts this year for as a
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result 'cause everything is different colors of beige and brown, which do not look
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good on me and are impossible to match to each other or anything else.
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But that's what's in fashion.
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So that's what the Apple Watch is.
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The Apple Watch is trying to keep up with fashion.
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Lots of browns, lots of earth tones, lots of soft grays and you know
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beigas and stuff like that.
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So that's why they're doing all these colors the way they are.
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Uh we'll see how these look in practice and you know it's gonna be
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it's gonna v look very much of this year and then next year we'll
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have different colors and we'll s we'll get it roll the roll the dice
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iPhone or excuse me, Apple Watch Ultra Four, uh eight hundred bones, you can
01:33:16
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pre-order it today, available the eighteenth of September.
01:33:19
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Now you circle back to the the series twelve watch for a second.
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Uh I don't wear an Apple watch, so this is not particularly relevant to
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But I will say that my expectations were so low for what the series
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twelve watch would be, and you know, physically speaking it is what you thought
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it just looks like every other watch, and I knew there would be a
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new SOC, but I have to say, when they got done with that Series
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12 presentation, I'm like, this is the best Series X, whatever Apple Watch they've
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introduced in years.
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Because first of all, they did actually change the hardware with the new SOC
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Like finally, um, it has that whole like the back sensor thing.
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That's a small thing.
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Like that's the whole watch is basically a screen, an SOC, a battery, and
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that thing on the back.
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And they 100% change the thing on the back in large ways that maybe
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That make it better.
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And so I feel like this is kind of like a what we used
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to think of like an S generation phone.
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Oh, it looks the same on the outside, but everything about it is better.
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Um, and then all the software features, setting aside the privacy invasion stuff, the
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other software features they had, I just think this is the best the biggest
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leap over the series N minus one phone that they've had in years.
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And again, I don't I don't even care about the phone or the watch.
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No, I think I said phone.
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I don't even care about the watch.
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I don't wear the watch.
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But I think this is a great one.
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So if you are waiting for like when is the right time to buy
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an Apple Watch, if you have any interest in them, I think the series
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twelve is a really good time, especially if you like the current design, because
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someday in theory they will change the design.
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But that time is not this year, and this seems like a really, really
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good Apple watch series, whatever watch, uh both in hardware and software.
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And I think in the choices that you have of finishes, setting aside the
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earth tone bands, I do like the polished titanium versus like the matte ones.
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I think ceramic is cool.
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Uh I was very impressed.
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This is like it's the uh most improved or exceeded expectations thing on this
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keynote for me is the Apple Watch series twelve.
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Yeah, it it looks like a a nice all around update.
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It depends a lot on how good those new sensors are.
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If they are as good as they sound, if they really do provide like
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nearly continuous heart rate monitoring all day, and the heart rate monitoring is more
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accurate and better HRV and all those like you know readiness features.
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And all the software features that tie into it to give you the little
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scores and the gamification that build off the new stuff.
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Like I just think it's a it's a great total package.
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One other little thing I noticed when I was doing the spec comparisons, um
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the uh previous Apple Watch series eleven um is listed as having GPS.
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The Apple Watch Ultra has precision dual frequency GPS, which is L one and
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L five, as I discussed back with my um my Sunto and Garmin segments.
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Um the Apple Watch Series 12 now says precision L one GPS,
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which is possibly the same thing as the old one.
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Like cause L the the dual frequencies are L1 and L5.
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The old Apple the Series 11 had L1.
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Series 12 now says precision L1.
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What does that mean?
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Is it actually different?
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I don't know.
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But it it still isn't dual frequency, which honestly does surprise me because every
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modern iPhone every modern Android phone, every Apple Watch Ultra, and every Sunto and
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Garmin watch, you know, above a certain level, they all have dual frequency GPS
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And the the regular series Apple Watch for it's still not to have that
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is a little weird to me and a little unfortunate.
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But anyway, that's a that's hopefully a minor thing.
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And yes, I agree with John that this does look like potentially a very
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strong update if those sensors are as good as Apple says they are.
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Yeah, so that's the entire press.
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One more thing.
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But the way first of all, what a move for John Turners to have
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to use one more thing in his first keynote.
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Um But that but he kinda soft played it.
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He said, but actually there is one more thing.
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Which is like the the butt actually I think really softens it.
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Like I you know, this is maybe this is, you know, Turnus's style.
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We'll see, but it was it was a little I thought it was like
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a little bit fumbled in that way.
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Well, the the whole one more thing phenomenon is totally undercut by the amount
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that phone stuff leaks.
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The ideal one more thing is I didn't even know Apple was working on
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anything like this.
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Obviously, that'll probably never happen again except for maybe with the Mac Pro that
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no one cares about to leak.
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But yeah, hell, even that will probably leak.
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But like this thing, we knew every millimeter of this device before it was
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released, so it's not like anyone was shocked.
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Like, is the presentation over?
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No, we know it's not over.
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Well, to be fair, we knew everything about the hardware.
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We really didn't know anything about the software.
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Yeah yeah, yeah.
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But I'm saying like it's not like the one more thing is like, what
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do you mean you made an X?
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Like we know it's a folding phone, just say it, right?
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Anyway, it it it is it is uh uh kind of silly in in
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the age where everything in this thing leaks.
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But yeah, so the software stuff was all, you know, it's harder to leak.
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Uh although sometimes that stuff leaks too, but this time a lot of it
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So we get the iPhone duo.
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Uh he uh turn us did a lead in with a bunch of uh
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different quotes about it, none of which
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And so I I will say that our all of our predictions have being
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Ultra because Ultra was a stupid name and Apple likes to do stupid names.
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Apple's like, oh, we always do stupid names.
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Let's do a sensible one.
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What do you think of that?
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And they did.
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It's a sensible name.
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That's the reason one of the main reasons I thought they would never do
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it is because it made too much sense.
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And also the Surface Duo.
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Everything's like, oh, Microsoft Surface Duo.
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It's it's fine.
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iPhone Duo and Surface Duo, I feel like, are not going to be in
01:40:51
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No one knows what that is.
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The precedent here is obviously the PowerBook Duo.
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Uh, have either one of you ever seen this device in person?
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Uh doesn't Steven have one, I believe, that I think I've seen, if I'm
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not mistaken.
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Yeah, so when I when I worked in um uh I don't know what
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the heck I was, a computer lab attendant in in college.
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There was someone there was a professor who had a computer lab and I
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took care of the computers there.
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Doing retrospect backups to tape from the various Macs, they had a Next Cube
01:41:17
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that uh Richard Greenblatt would use sometimes, and the professor had a PowerBook Duo,
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which was an incredibly thin, incredibly light laptop from the nineties.
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I think it was like four pounds in the nineties.
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Like this is unprecedented.
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And it was so small and thin because it had nothing in it.
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There was no floppy drive.
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Can you imagine a laptop with no floppy drive?
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No optical drive.
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Uh it was just a screen and a trackball, not a trackpad, and a
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and a not even full-size keyboard, but it was incredibly thin.
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But it was useless because it's only good for portable stuff on the go.
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Um, so it had a thing called the duo dock, which was like a
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little garage that you shove it into.
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It goes into a little slot.
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And when you slot it into that thing, sitting on top of it would
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be your big CRT monitor.
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And when you shoved it in there, that box would have a floppy drive,
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potentially another hard drive inside there, uh networking and all the peripheral connections that
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you didn't have on the tiny laptop.
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I think the box also had an FPU in it, a floating point processing
01:42:18
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So the floating point unit was in the dock and not and you're like,
01:42:21
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how can it use the floating point unit?
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It's not even it's like things were slower back then.
01:42:25
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You could do it.
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Um and so the idea was you're an important uh professor on the go.
01:42:29
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You've got the thinnest laptop anyone has ever seen.
01:42:31
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It's a status symbol, but you've also got a full powered computer when you
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get back to your desk because you slide it into that.
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Needless to say, this trend did not catch on.
01:42:39
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But boy, was this amazing technology at the time, totally weird.
01:42:42
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And I think it is ample precedent for Apple resurrecting the duo name.
01:42:47
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Not quite the same thing, two screens versus a computer that is both a
01:42:51
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laptop and a not laptop at the same time.
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But I give this name a big thumbs up.
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It makes perfect sense.
01:42:56
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That has none of the awkwardness of ul ultra.
01:42:58
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We're not arguing about, but his cameras aren't as good as the other ones.
01:43:01
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How is this the ultra?
01:43:02
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It saves the ultra potentially for the all glass 20th anniversary phone.
01:43:06
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I don't know what's going on.
01:43:07
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Maybe Jaws was out that day and they said he's out sick.
01:43:10
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We're just gonna call the duo.
01:43:11
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Don't tell him until launch.
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Uh but yeah, iPhone Duo.
01:43:14
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I approve of the name, even though I just because this name had been
01:43:18
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out there forever, but nobody was picking it.
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Everyone like, Yeah, duo, they're not gonna do fold because of Samsung, probably.
01:43:23
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It's probably just gonna be Ultra because Apple's stupid with names and Apple came
01:43:27
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out of nowhere and did a sensible name.
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Congratulations.
01:43:30
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By the way the PowerBook Duo was the first desktop laptop.
01:43:34
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So I think that was I I'm literally using that configuration.
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Not quite in the same way you think of it, though.
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It's literally it goes inside the desktop.
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It was cool to have like an eject, like had an in in like
01:43:46
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a motorized inject mechanism, like it would go and like you know you know,
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because you'd shove it in, but it you didn't have to like shut like
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a it was like soft closed doors kind of.
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It was really cool.
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Also horrendously expensive if you want to look at the prices and translate from
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like 1990, whatever money, just it's terrifying.
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Uh $6,200 today.
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There you go.
01:44:04
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Oh, is that just for the laptop or for the Docker box?
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Well, it was listed as uh $2,610.
01:44:09
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For just the laptop?
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I think weren't they sold together?
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I don't think so.
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Okay, forgive me, I'll need more time.
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And also don't forget the CRT that's the keyboard and mouse.
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Keyboard's 200 bucks in 1990's money.
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Alright, I'm not doing all this.
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It was expensive.
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Suffice to say, a lot of money.
01:44:26
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So Molly and Steve talk about the design.
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Uh the physical design is roughly what everyone expected.
01:44:33
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It's two cameras.
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It's roughly about down to the millimeter.
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Okay down to the millimeter, whatever one expected.
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Um, but the software design took me by surprise for sure.
01:44:43
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Uh there is a right mount dock, both opened and closed.
01:44:48
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There's right mount toolbar.
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Uh the status indicators for Wi-Fi and cellular are now a circle where in
01:44:56
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the inside shows you the Wi-Fi like fan looking thing, and the bottom of
01:44:59
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the circle shows the commensurate number of dots to indicate your cellular connection.
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Um There's all sorts of oddities with regard to software.
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We're going to come back to it in a little bit, but clearly they
01:45:10
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did the Apple thing, which I mean complimentary in a complimentary way in this
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case, of really asking themselves, do we need things to be the way they
01:45:21
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Do we need the dock to be on the bottom?
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What if we put it somewhere else?
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Do we need to have a separate Wi-Fi indicator and cellular indicator?
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Can we combine them?
01:45:30
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A lot of this is very, very different.
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And uh I no matter how hard we try to paint you a word
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picture, I d I think it's best served for you to take a look
01:45:39
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at least at this portion of the video or somebody's recap on like YouTube
01:45:42
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or TikTok or what have you and see the way the software is on
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this phone because it is start starting startlingly different than than just, hey, let's
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put iOS on a phone with two screens.
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It's way different than that.
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And this is all in service of, as they began this part of the
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presentation, all of this software stuff that we're going to talk about even more
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is in service of making an interface on a phone that is shaped the
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way this is.
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And so that's why they started with, why did we make it this kind
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of squat way?
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Why don't other people do where they take two regular looking phones and connect
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them side to side and put a hinge on it.
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Uh and they explained.
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They said we don't do that because that's kind of a waste of space
01:46:21
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because the things people might want to do with a big screen, if you
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want to watch like letterbox uh, you know, video from a television show or
01:46:27
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movie, it's a massive waste of space.
01:46:29
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It sometimes can be not much bigger than a phone turn sideways.
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So what are you using all the other space for?
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And like it just it just doesn't work out size-wise to be, you know,
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it is you don't get all the benefits.
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So like we started from we want it to be this aspect ratio when
01:46:42
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it's then you can use it in portrait and in landscape.
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And in both of those modes, you get maximum benefit from having a big
01:46:49
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screen because you don't have so such wasted space above and below Letterboxd video.
01:46:53
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And in portrait, it's like a little iPad and we know how useful that
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form factor is.
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So they started from that shape.
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And then I they I what I would say the Apple thing they did
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was, okay, given that we've decided that this is the shape it's gonna be,
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it's gonna be short and squat and weird and it's you know it's gonna
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be like this.
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Now, what are all the possible ways that we can make an interface on
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a thing that folds that is this shape?
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And they did all of them.
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They're they like what can you think of?
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Brainstorm, put it on the whiteboard.
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How could we how could this imagine they have like a physical wooden model.
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It's just the shape with a hinge like we all had, or the you
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know, the people who 3D printed them.
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Given this shape, hardware, what can we do with software?
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And they just thought of every possible good idea they could and implemented them
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all and it's very impressive.
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It is so much for developers to do though.
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Well a good thing you'll have the f seven years that it took Apple
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to develop this for you to update your app.
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So let me just now that we're on this topic, let me just outline
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for people what we're talking about here with the reality of app development.
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All the work that we were talking about with iOS 27 having like a
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res a simulator that allows you to resize your app.
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That was one part of making your app work on the duo.
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That was not the hard part.
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That was not the hardest part.
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And that was not most of the work.
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Because what the duo does is as we're saying, it's it moves critical and
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and you know key navigation elements like toolbars and tab bars.
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It moves them to be you know vertical first of all.
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But not all of them.
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But not yeah.
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And not all the time.
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It m it makes them vertical much of the time.
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On the side of your app, it changes the safe area ratios completely in
01:48:42
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addition to the the aspect ratios of the screens, and by the way, there's
01:48:45
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lots of different aspect ratios to account for you know resizing of the apps
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and in different split views and everything like that.
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So critical parts of how apps are built are dramatically restructured.
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And it isn't just restructured in one way.
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There's like six different modes your app could be in, all of which lay
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out the controls differently.
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For app developers to even start working on that.
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First of all, we we need Xcode 27.1, which doesn't exist yet.
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So this phone is coming out in about a month and a half.
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And for us to start developing our apps to account for all of its
01:49:28
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ridiculous new moves of the interface requires an SDK that Apple says will be
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available, quote, later this month.
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So we can't even start yet.
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And what we will have to do to make our apps use these new
01:49:44
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UI paradigms correctly without breaking, let alone to start like being good with them.
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I'd say it's six months of work for most apps, maybe a year.
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So I think the reality of what the app situation on the duo is
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going to be like, first of all, every developer needs to buy one of
01:50:06
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And uh and it's a lot of money, so for small developers, that's gonna
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be a burden.
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I I know that.
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I'm not minimizing that, but if you have an iPhone app, you're gonna have
01:50:15
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to buy one of these because you're gonna have to test with it.
01:50:17
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You're gonna have to handle it.
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You're gonna have to see how things are reachable.
01:50:20
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And I have a whole thing about that in a second.
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But this is something where the simulator is not gonna be enough.
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You're gonna you're gonna want the physical device to design your apps on and
01:50:28
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But the amount of work this is.
01:50:31
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It isn't like adding another size of iPhone.
01:50:35
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It is a way more involved process than that.
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You're gonna see a lot of apps that are going to need complete redesigns
01:50:42
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to work with this, or to at least take advantage correctly without like weird,
01:50:45
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you know, letterboxing and stuff like that.
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You're gonna see a lot of that.
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And so the reality of owning this phone for the first year is gonna
01:50:53
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be most of your apps are not gonna be updated for this for months.
01:50:56
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Uh I would say maybe by next summer y you know, y that might
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be finally like everything will kind of look and work correctly.
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Uh but it's gonna be a while.
01:51:08
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And for app developers, this is just
01:51:12
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i you know, yes, it's exciting as Apple fans, but to have this level
01:51:17
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of change and to have less than a month and a half to do
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it and to not even give us the tools to do it on day
01:51:25
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one, that's a real slap in the face.
01:51:28
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Like, and I'm I'm I'm excited about the hardware in most ways, except for
01:51:31
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one really giant one.
01:51:32
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I'm excited about the hardware in most ways.
01:51:34
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However, as a developer, this is a huge middle finger to us.
01:51:39
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Like they could not have prepared us less well for this and given us
01:51:45
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I I I wanna reiterate or or you know, double I don't think double
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down on um using that right.
01:51:50
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But nevertheless, I want to double down, so to speak, on what Marco just
01:51:53
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said, you know, uh we don't even have access to the current simulator.
01:51:58
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I know Marco said that a minute ago.
01:52:00
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I want to reiterate that.
01:52:01
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They haven't released the version of Xcode that has a simulator for the iPhone
01:52:06
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And they've said it's coming later this month.
01:52:09
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Now, admittedly, that could be by the time this very episode is released, but
01:52:13
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realistically Right.
01:52:14
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Technically it could be tomorrow.
01:52:15
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But probably won't be realistically.
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Though probably not for at least a week or two.
01:52:18
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And we only have what, like six weeks until this thing is in people's
01:52:22
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This is a real raw deal for app developers, and that is a real
01:52:28
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And my ask of all of you who are listening to the show, if
01:52:32
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you're even considering buying an iPhone duo, or perhaps have people in your life
01:52:35
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who are buying an iPhone duo, I beg of you to give grace to
01:52:39
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especially teams of, I don't know, one uh that not only need to spend
01:52:45
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two to three thousand dollars on this phone, but then need to spend days
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to months to weeks to you know or days to weeks to months to
01:52:52
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get it working right.
01:52:53
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I know I I'm just said, but I I cannot stress enough.
01:52:56
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I agree with him wholeheartedly.
01:52:57
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This is a lot.
01:52:58
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It's not just two screens, it's several different layouts in several different configurations.
01:53:04
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You also well, so one of the cool things that the software does now
01:53:07
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I'm jumping ahead, but one of the cool things the software does is it
01:53:09
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lays lets you know or lets developers know what the state of the hinge
01:53:13
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is in such a way that you can react to the fact that the
01:53:16
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phone is slightly closed, but not fully closed.
01:53:19
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The idea here is you move some of the important things out of the
01:53:22
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crease area because that's going to be harder to touch.
01:53:25
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So that's a different mode.
01:53:27
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Uh John, I think you put in the show notes a tweet from or
01:53:30
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a toot from Rafa that that indicates some of these, and we'll put that
01:53:33
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in the show notes.
01:53:34
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There's a lot here.
01:53:36
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There's a lot here.
01:53:37
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And it this is not just, oh, it's your iPad app, but smallish.
01:53:42
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No, no, no, no, no.
01:53:43
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It's way, way more than that.
01:53:46
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And this is going to take a lot of time and we are all
01:53:48
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going to get bombarded with one star reviews and it's gonna suck.
01:53:51
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Cause also keep in mind, like again, this isn't just new screen sizes.
01:53:55
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Because it changes how controls are laid out, because it ch it dramatically changes
01:54:00
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safe areas, which is you know, so the the for the for most of
01:54:04
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iPhone recent history, there's been safe areas around the top and around the bottom.
01:54:09
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The one on the bottom is around the home indicator, around the top it's
01:54:11
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around the the island.
01:54:12
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And the idea of the safe area is it's it's like a layout guide
01:54:15
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that tells your app you can you can render like background and scrolling content
01:54:18
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behind these, but don't controls behind them.
01:54:20
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And they're and you know, Swift UI and AppKit or an UI kit, you
01:54:24
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know, they they inset the controls to stay away from the safe areas.
01:54:27
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Well now there are safe areas on the left and right, sometimes.
01:54:31
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And and so what's going to what what the reality of app app development
01:54:36
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and app usage for the next year.
01:54:38
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It's gonna be similar to when the iPhone 10 first came out and introduced
01:54:42
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that safe area around the home indicator on the bottom, where for the for
01:54:47
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like two years after the iPhone 10 came out, they were There were frequently
01:54:51
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still bugs in apps where some control would end up laying itself out under
01:54:56
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the home indicator.
01:54:57
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And as a user, like you were just you had to like very carefully
01:55:01
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try to tap around it or you would might have just restart the app,
01:55:04
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you know, to get it to work right.
01:55:06
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It's gonna be another two years of that, but with stuff on the r
01:55:09
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on the left and right, because so many app developers have never considered the
01:55:13
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possibility of a left and right safe area, even though it's in the API
01:55:17
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the whole time, but not The the safe areas were always zero on the
01:55:20
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left and right.
01:55:21
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So there's probably a lot of app bugs that are going to result from
01:55:24
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this all of a sudden being a thing that the apps have to have
01:55:27
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to lay out their UIs around.
01:55:29
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So the the type of work this is, it's a huge amount of work.
01:55:33
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It's also gonna be just months of bugs in apps and months of broken
01:55:39
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or non-ideal layouts.
01:55:41
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It's gonna be a ton of work.
01:55:44
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And so again, like going into this phone, I do think this is potentially
01:55:47
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very interesting, but it's gonna be very much like a beta for a while.
01:55:52
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And by the way, iOS itself probably will also have a lot of those
01:55:57
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bugs because that's what it does too.
01:55:58
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Like Like whenever Apple does new stuff with the safe areas, lots of their
01:56:02
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own apps also have these bugs.
01:56:04
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So I would totally expect similar levels of bugginess with the built-in system controls
01:56:09
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and system apps as well.
01:56:10
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Apple's not immune to this problem.
01:56:12
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So it's gonna be a beta.
01:56:14
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Like treat this phone like a beta for at least the first few months,
01:56:17
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uh which it might be that that long be that long before you can
01:56:20
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get one because of the rumors of it being very low production and it's
01:56:24
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probably it's probably gonna be very hard to get.
01:56:26
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But um anyway, before I move on from the uh fundamental design of this
01:56:31
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So it is touch ID, not face ID.
01:56:33
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Uh Touch ID is in the the the slide the side button, like the
01:56:36
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sleepwake button in in that area on the right side.
01:56:39
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Um they they were careful to point out that you can enroll multiple fingers
01:56:43
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and also you can unlock with your watch, which yes, you've been able to
01:56:46
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unlock your phone with your watch for a long time.
01:56:47
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They're obviously trying to remind people, hey, Touch ID is not that bad.
01:56:51
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Remember, oh we we uh we made it a little bit less bad with
01:56:54
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all these other things.
01:56:55
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Anyway, um we'll see how that proves to be.
01:56:59
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The one thing that I am concerned about with this with using this phone,
01:57:04
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because I am I am gonna get one so that I can develop with
01:57:06
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it and I'm gonna try to live with it for a few weeks at
01:57:08
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least, but I hold my phone in my left hand and I keep my
01:57:12
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phone in my left pocket.
01:57:14
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This phone looks like it is very badly designed for holding it left-handed.
01:57:20
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The touch ID button is going to be in the wrong spot.
01:57:22
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I guess I'll enroll like my index finger on my left hand, but that's
01:57:26
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one problem.
01:57:27
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But the entire UI is made to be used with your right thumb holding
01:57:34
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the phone in your right hand.
01:57:35
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It's a shame they can't do the Apple Watch flip over, you know what
01:57:39
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If you could ho maybe you could hold the entire photography, but then the
01:57:42
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then the touch ID buttons in the wrong spot.
01:57:43
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Like it Yeah, I know.
01:57:44
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But like like uh I mean you also have the problem of the uh
01:57:46
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the the camera sensors and live activity and blah blah blah.
01:57:49
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But like it's they're they're almost close to being able to pull an Apple
01:57:52
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watch and say, just use it lefty.
01:57:53
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Yeah, but like I I think if you are a left hand phone user,
01:57:58
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I think this is gonna possibly be terrible, but we'll see.
01:58:02
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I I I hope they thought of that or have some kind of you
01:58:05
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know maybe it's not as bad as I think, but like when I I
01:58:08
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have my little 3D printed mock-up of it here from months ago and like
01:58:11
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if I when I'm holding the three three D printed mock up in my
01:58:14
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left hand, my thumb cannot reach those side buttons on the right.
01:58:17
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Like it just it's not gonna reach.
01:58:19
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So I don't know.
01:58:20
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This this could be really bad.
01:58:21
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You gotta come around the other side like uh like you're going around the
01:58:24
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neck of a guitar and use like your pointer finger to get at those.
01:58:28
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Uh yeah, no, f for lefties this could be rough.
01:58:30
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And I wonder if there'll be some sort of software toggle to move the
01:58:34
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like navigation bar and all that stuff that's currently on the right hand side
01:58:37
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to the lefty.
01:58:38
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Yeah, but then you're gonna break my layouts that way too.
01:58:40
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No actually it already does that for if you have um if you have
01:58:43
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it open and you have a left right split and you have a le
01:58:46
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one app one app on the left, one app on the right, then the
01:58:49
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app on the left gets its navigation stuff put on the left.
01:58:51
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Oh there you go yeah the question is whether it'll do that when it's
01:58:54
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well they might have not shown everything.
01:58:55
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Although speaking of like this being abated and everything, given my many, many years
01:59:00
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experience with plain old iPhone and before that iPod touch rectangles and their ability
01:59:06
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to relay out the screen when I rotate to to from between landscape and
01:59:10
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portrait and various apps and how buggy that has been for the entire decade
01:59:15
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of the iPhone.
01:59:17
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I look at this and I'm like, oh man, this is like that times
01:59:21
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Because it's not rectangle rotating vertical to horizontal.
01:59:24
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It's like, all right, what angle is it at?
01:59:26
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How open is the hinge?
01:59:28
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Is it one app or two?
01:59:30
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Like I sh I can I'm looking every demo they gave looked beautiful and
01:59:34
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perfect with all their built in apps and it's like they call them poses.
01:59:37
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Here's all the different poses this device can be in.
01:59:39
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It can be portrait or landscape or closed or closed landscape or closed portrait
01:59:44
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or half open portrait or half open landscape or like it's like wow.
01:59:47
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There's a lot of poses and they would transition between all of them.
01:59:50
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Look how smoothly we transition between all these.
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Starting from like the cool effect where when you open it up, it makes
01:59:55
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it look like the top is transparent and you're looking through to the thing,
01:59:57
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all the way down to like rotate it and bend the hinge and put
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it in landscape.
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And everything was beautiful in these in these videos, which I assume had simulated
02:00:04
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images on the screen, but I couldn't really tell because I've heard that the
02:00:07
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screen is actually kind of matte finish, so maybe it was real.
02:00:09
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But anyway, wow, that's a lot of opportunities for like, oh, you know, when
02:00:13
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you rotate the phone, like, oh, it didn't, or some half part of the
02:00:16
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UI rotated and some other part didn't and it's like, or you ever see
02:00:19
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it like you're trying to watch a video and the video will be poking
02:00:22
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out of the side because it's not rotating.
02:00:24
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Like, if we can't get basic rotation right at this point, how is anything,
02:00:28
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including Apple's apps, going to be as perfect as it was in this video?
02:00:31
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Like the ideas are all great, but I'm really, really worried about just the
02:00:36
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basics of implementation involving not just accelerometers, but now also hinge sensors and all
02:00:42
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of that working together with the app.
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So we'll see.
02:00:44
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Like the the video made it look beautiful and perfect, but I know from
02:00:49
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experience with regular phones that it's not going to be the case.
02:00:52
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And this is just with Apple's built-in apps, which have had the most time
02:00:54
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possible to get it right.
02:00:56
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Uh that was one of the questions everybody had is like, what will your
02:00:59
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app look like if you don't update it to understand the iPhone Duo?
02:01:04
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And Apple has videos for that.
02:01:06
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We'll link to Apple's.
02:01:07
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They gave like a developer playlist of like six WWC style sessions to tell
02:01:10
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you what stuff that you need to know about the phone.
02:01:12
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And in that, You'll see screens that says, Hey, if your app is built
02:01:16
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uh it was built using something before the iOS 27 SDK, guess what?
02:01:21
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It's going to look like just a phone app, like a vertical rectangle, shoved
02:01:26
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right in the middle of this crease when you have the thing open which
02:01:28
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is like the worst possible place for it.
02:01:30
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I mean I guess granted you probably won't bend it, but like and then
02:01:33
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when you have it closed, yeah, that whole right side where all the tool
02:01:36
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bars will be, that's empty.
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Like basically your phone app is just a ph if you built with the
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iOS 27 SDK, your phone app is still just a phone app, but when
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you have the thing fully open, it's more like a wide phone app.
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And that's the only thing we could do with the simulator that we had,
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like now, like the IO the the Xcode 27 simulator.
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You could try your app wide and not wide, wide and not wide.
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All of those is not how you want your app to look.
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It's going to be disappointing to you.
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But more importantly, someone who just spent two grand or more on a phone,
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it's going to be disappointing to them because they're like, I spent two grand
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on this phone and when I open up the screen, all I do is
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I see a light up a set of pixels.
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That's like the same size or smaller than my old phone screen sitting in
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the middle of a sea of blackness.
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And they don't it's because that app hasn't been updated yet or whatever, but
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it it'll be really disappointing because it's like, What what benefit am I getting
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out of this two thousand dollar phone?
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In fact it's worse than a regular phone because it's shorter.
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And I have fewer pixels lit up, and there's this giant waste of space
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So this is, I mean, it's developers and like, oh, you have to update
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my app and people will be mad at your apps or whatever.
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But mostly it's Apple because customers are going to be disappointed if they get
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this expensive thing and like the only apps that look decent are Apple's built
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in ones for a pretty long time.
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That all being said, and I think all three of us, myself included, are
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being kind of, you know, m uh uh downers at the moment, but the
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hardware does look extremely cool.
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I'm still unconvinced I would want this as a full-time daily phone, although th
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currently that's probably my plan, at least for a little while, to live with
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it and see how it feels.
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But the hardware seems to be very slick.
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Um, they talked about how they have a variable torque hinge.
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Uh when it's open, it is the thinnest iPhone ever.
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Uh they made brief mention of something being in the camera plateau just like
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the iPhone Air, and then later they were showing like mocked up internals of
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the phone and it looked like the CPU was kind of dead center.
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So I'm not entirely sure which one of these is real or maybe I
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misunderstood.
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Oh I you skipped over the FaceTime camera and I want to give a
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Oh sorry, yes.
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The FaceTime camera is under the screen, as the rumor said.
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Um and later in the video they showed how it's underscreen, but b uh
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if they showed like, oh here's what it looks like.
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Actually we leave out like a whole bunch of the the the sub pixels,
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you know instead of having RGB, RGB, or whatever pattern that they have, they
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leave out a bunch of them, basically making it like a like a window
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screen so that more light can get through to the camera.
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Uh earlier in the video, when they were showing, I guess it must have
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been not simulated image.
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I guess it must have been must have been the real image on the
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And they were showing images of the the iPhone duo and unfolded mode or
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Uh I thought like, wow, this what a weird uh you know mistake for
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Usually so careful they had dust on their sensor when they took this video.
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Cause there was cause there was a little telltale, slightly darker circular region, which
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is what it looks like when you have dust on your camera sensor.
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Uh but and then I was like, maybe it's not dust on the sensor
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of Apple's, maybe it's a smudge on my Pro Display XDR, which I never
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I'm like, How is that possible?
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Did someone come into my house and touch my screen?
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But then they scroll the worst crime someone can commit against you.
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It is, it would be terrible.
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But then they like scrolled the iPhone off the screen like take all the
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valuables, just don't do that.
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Like like the iPhone, like the iPhone that they were showing a picture of,
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like lifted up and like they they they basically they moved the camera so
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it was pointing down.
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And when that happened, the smudge moved with the phone.
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I'm like, that wasn't dust on the sensor.
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And that's not a smudge on my screen.
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Because in both of those cases it shouldn't have moved.
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Dust on the sensor should move and smudge on my screen shouldn't the iPhone
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moves in the in the frame.
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What that was was the clearly visible circular section of the screen that the
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face ID camera is behind.
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And if I could pick it up in Apple's video, I have to think
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that's gonna be visible to the naked eye looking at this phone.
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Which is pretty disappointing.
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Like the whole point of putting it under the screen is I don't want
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some portion of the screen that I can't use and also I don't want
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to like see it's like it's invisible, it's be it's gone.
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I guess you can still use that portion of the screen, but if if
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that portion of the screen is essentially a dimmer circle because it's it literally
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has fewer light up pixels in that area than the rest of the screen.
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That is another disappointing technical limitation of how they chose to do this phone.
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I'd almost rather have just the plain old like dynamic island cutout thing just
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make that bigger because at least that's an honest like look, we had to
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make this so that the camera could see out of it.
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But instead they did this underscreen thing.
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And in the video, in Apple's own video, it's not look good.
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So I'm a little worried about that.
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I mean I think the r the reality is like you know you you're
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gonna see the the cr the crease after a while too.
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Like You didn't see the crease in the video.
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You didn't but like you know, most of the hands on videos so far
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have basically said like yeah you do kinda see it.
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Um and you know we don't know how this is going to age over
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Like you'll you'll probably see it more over time.
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So I I think the reality of using this kind of device is like
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you're not gonna have a perfect uninterrupted span of screen.
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And you don't already with today's phones.
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Like you know, you have the cutouts for the camera and the dynamic island
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islands of link.
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You kind of you get used to it, you stop seeing it.
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That's probably gonna happen here too.
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It you know, you will eventually notice the crease if you don't notice it
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on day one, like you'll notice the crease, you'll notice the the dim little
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circle where the camera's under the screen and you'll notice it for a day
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and then you'll stop noticing it.
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It'll be fine.
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Well the thing is with the with the dynamic island, I don't live activity
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But with the thing under the screen, there could be content under that.
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And so I'm forced to look at it to read the content or to
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watch the thing that's over there and now I'm forced to see that stupid
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I don't know.
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Well we'll see how it looks in person.
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John, this is the liquid glass era.
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There could be content under everything.
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There usually is.
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It's f it's but but we're spotlighting your content.
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Our controls float over your content, but like be careful, don't put your stuff
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under there because you won't be able to get to it.
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But you can see it sort of, but it's blurry, but uh it's like
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it's just not a great idea.
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Although I I also will point out that like, you know, we always talk
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about the um signals Apple sends to developers about upcoming changes and obviously when
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they have the simulator and the touch stuff and we're like, you know, uh
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well the touch stuff for touch max.
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But anyway, the simulator being wider for wider phones, and we're like, Yeah, that's
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for the that's for the um the foldable phone obviously, and we were right,
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although there was much more to it than that, as we already said.
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Uh but one of the other things that is so clearly for the foldable
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phone that I don't think a lot of people clocked, but that people have
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been complaining about for at least a year now, maybe more, I forget when
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they started doing this, was The new uh like toolbar arrangement where you don't
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get to pick where the your toolbar items are.
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You just get to say like this is the primary one and this is
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the tertiary, second from left, second most important third cousin one, and you're like
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you give them all these semantic names and it's like, why don't you let
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me lay them out?
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This is the first one, the second one, the third one, the fourth one.
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And when the overflow just give me an overflow menu, and Apple's like, no,
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just tell us the role they provide.
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And that was 100% for this stupid phone, because what they do is they
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take your toolbar and they say, okay, your primary and secondary are gonna be
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Unless your primary is a wide button, then that's gonna be on the top,
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in which case you're gonna have your primary and tertiary and third cousin on
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Like they split up the things in your toolbars according to their roles and
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put them where they think they should go.
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Sometimes they're top, sometimes on their side, sometimes they're top of the side, sometimes
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they're the bottom of the side, sometimes they're on the left, sometimes they're on
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And if you had a toolbar API that said, tell me what goes in
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in position one, two, three, and four this would never work.
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So those semantic positions that have been driving developers uh up the wall for
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such a long time is like, I don't have enough control over my toolbar,
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just tell me where things should go.
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Apple should have said, you're gonna have even less control of your toolbar pretty
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soon, so get used to it.
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Oh, and if you did a custom toolbar, good luck.
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I mean, honestly, this is this is part of why I'm I'm dreading all
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the work that I have to do now, because I have done a lot
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of custom work here and there.
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Like because when i i this is this is the the a story as
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old as Apple development time, uh that like Apple gives you these stock widgets
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and controls and everything that work as long as you're making like, you know,
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the ice cream stand WBC developer sample app.
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And then the moment it interacts with the real world, you're like, oh well,
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hmm, it doesn't really fit this need I have or this use case or
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this condition in the real world.
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So I have to start doing a little bit of customization or workarounds or
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something or reimplementations of certain things.
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And then Apple goes and does something like this and it breaks all of
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Like this is just the cycle of Apple development.
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But the reality is that you do often have to do that kind of
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stuff to make a good app.
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So this constant cycle always exists.
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Like one of the one thing about about this current you know, what I'm
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seeing here, like we've been hearing for a while in the iOS stuff styles
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have been for a while.
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Pull stuff away from the edges.
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Okay, well, n for a while we thought the reason was they were gonna
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do that rumored twentieth anniversary phone that that was like all glass curving around
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the screen would curve around the edges.
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And they still are.
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And they yeah they might still be doing that, we'll see.
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But um we thought it was for that.
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It's also for this because now they're saying, Oh, we're gonna put controls on
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the left and right edges.
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So therefore you can't have UI that goes all the way to the edge
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because it won't look right or it'll it'll go under the controls or it'll
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get cut off or weirdly.
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So but at the same time now we have to we have to design
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our UIs to pull everything in from the edges.
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Except to do that requires the whole UI to be narrower and to waste
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space on the left and right that we weren't wasting before, which means when
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you render one of those on display Zoom on an on a smaller phone,
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it's not gonna fit.
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So it's gonna be very difficult for us to develop and design the same
02:11:06
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UI to work on, say, an iPhone 13 mini or an iPhone SE with
02:11:12
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display zoom on to have that same UI fit and work on a modern
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iPhone Duo that you have to pull everything away from the edges.
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I mean that's what they're trying to do with those flexible toolbars and stuff
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like they tried to show it is like look basically the the place you're
02:11:26
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gonna get to draw is going to be similar to a traditional iPhone proportion.
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It's just that all your toolbars that you used to have on the top
02:11:32
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and bottom we've chucked to the four winds to the sides but some items
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are still on the top.
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Like it's they're like look if you just used our standard controls and you
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didn't try to do anything custom and you did it just the way we
02:11:41
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did it, your app's actual content should still roughly be phone proportion.
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It's just that phone proportion thing is gonna be that rectangle is gonna be
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moved all over the place and all the things that you had on top
02:11:53
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and bottom are now gonna be squirming all around the sides of your phone.
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But you don't have to worry about that because if you follow their APIs
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and use standard controls, that'll all be taken care of.
02:12:00
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But like you said, Marco, nobody is only using or most most app developers
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are not only using standard controls in the standard way with no customization, because
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that would be a very boring app.
02:12:09
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No, and in fact Apple discourages that.
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Like what wins ADAs?
02:12:14
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It's nothing that has like really blo you know bogstandard controls.
02:12:18
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It's all h rich custom designs.
02:12:20
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So like Apple encourages developers to go custom and to make very, you know,
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very, you know, elaborate custom rich design.
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That's what I was saying.
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Like Apple encourages this.
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They they push for it and the market rewards it.
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And so i for them to keep to keep saying, like, oh well, if
02:12:38
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you use standard controls, you get all these behaviors for free, but don't use
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standard controls that much.
02:12:42
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Like it you know, it does create this this friction.
02:12:45
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But anyway, um it's gonna be so much work.
02:12:48
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And I'm sure we'll get to a place where it's where it's good eventually,
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but it's it's a lot of work to do in a very short time.
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I mean, like we did with the iPhone 1.
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There was a long time where there was like non-iPhone 10 savvy apps and
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it's some of those stragglers or whatever, but we eventually did get over the
02:13:02
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So I just I do want to give lots of credit for the very
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thoughtful, really good software designed to fit this hardware.
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I don't know if the hardware is any good.
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I don't know this is the right shape per phone.
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I don't know if it's carry.
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People like it, blah, blah, blah.
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But but again, starting from the premise that the phone is this shape and
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has a hinge here, amazing job on the software.
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Just really clever thoughtful, and like I said, they did everything.
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Like when I saw them turning it upside down like a little tent and
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it turns into an alarm clock, I'm like okay, now you're just showing off.
02:13:29
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Like they're just I mean, we haven't we should continue on because there's so
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many cool things they do with this software wise with their own apps to
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show like the things that move.
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Uh they did a lot uh with the software like you were saying they
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specifically said they took advantage of liquid glass in order to make this work
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um they uh like i said have the status bar basically is a circular
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widget in the corner Um you can have two so home screen pages at
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once side by side.
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You can have two apps side by side.
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If you tap the little knuckle handle, whatever you call it, thing in the
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center between the two apps, you can link them together as one unit, even
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if it's two different apps.
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Um Jaws eventually came up in the dark as always and said that the
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the interior display is a 7.6-inch super retina XDR display, 50% larger than the
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Pro Max and 80% larger over the Pro.
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The outer display is 5.4 inches, which is 90% of the uh pixels of
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the iPhone 18 Pro.
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They said that later this year it will work with the Apple pencil with
02:14:31
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So I have a a second gen Apple Pencil Pro, the one that only
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ever charges via magnets on my iPad Pro.
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That will not work with this, I don't think, but rather the uh one
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that you can plug in via USB-C by I think it's like a little
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section near the top that you kind of open up.
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I I've never actually had one.
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Um that will later this year work with either display interior or exterior, which
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is kind of cool.
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That is really like finally an an iPhone sort of an iPhone with Apple
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Pencil support.
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That's really cool.
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If you see a stylist, they blew it.
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Yeah, right.
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This excites me.
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Like I cause I again, like I I love the idea of the Apple
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Pencil and I love using it sometimes.
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I just am not really an iPad person.
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I I almost never have an iPad with me.
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Um so this is very promising.
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Also, this type of pencil, the USB-C one, um, I most people don't know.
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There's an there's an entire world of very inexpensive Apple pencil compatible pencils from
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other brands that like that work exactly the same now as the Apple Pencil
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like natively with every modern iPad and they cost like 25 bucks.
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Like they're they're way cheaper than Apple's.
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They're all over Amazon.
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There's a bunch of different brands that make them.
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And so if this works the same way, which I it probably does, um,
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because they're all USB C and you you plug 'em in to sync them
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and then then that's it.
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They synced, they're done.
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Then this will probably work just fine with those two, which means there will
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be a rich third party ecosystem of like little stubby pencils that will work
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with the duo.
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That'll be great.
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Uh so I I think this this could be very exciting.
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Um for lots of lots of different use cases for the for the pencil.
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That this could be this could be wonderful.
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So uh one of the things they mentioned when they went over the screens
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uh and like their construction and all the different layers and how they fold
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and how they're fighting the crease and blah blah blah was they talked about
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the very top layer, uh, which
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I forget what they described as some kind of polymer material, blah, blah, but
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basically the top layer that that you touch with your finger is plastic.
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Some special exotic kind of plastic, but plastic.
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Uh not glass.
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Uh even though other layers of the thing of the sandwich may be glass.
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And that is relevant to the stylus because presumably they picked a plastic that
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is harder than the tips on their own stylus or whatever but I but
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if you're looking for a way to potentially mar your screen, using a stylus
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with force on it, especially around the crease area, is probably a strong candidate.
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So I do wonder how that's gonna work out.
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Um that's also one of the reasons that maybe um I I don't know
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if it's one of the reasons, but it makes sense to me that this
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screen would be have a kind of a matte finish to it, kind of
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like the paper like covers that they have for iPads or the nanotexture iPad,
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and that if you are going to draw on it with a pencil, it's
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not as much fun to have a slick glass thing with a smooth plastic
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thing sliding over it.
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And so yeah, this is nanotextured plastic, laser etched nanotextured plastic that hopefully your
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stylist won't mar up.
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They have speakers on the top and the bottom.
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Like we said, no face ID, but touch ID, which bums me out.
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I get it, but it bums me out.
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The colors are star white and night sky.
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They talked a lot about how it's very robust, very stiff, uh, that they
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have a million layers on the display on the interior.
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Uh there's ceramic shield on the back and ceramic shield two on the front.
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It's also IP sixty-eight rated for dust and water resistance, which is a maximum
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depth of six meters for up to thirty minutes, uh, which is the same
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as the iPhone 18 Pro.
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This is a I think a pretty vast improvement from all the Android ones,
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which are not at all this robust.
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I found this shocking because as we all know with the foldable phones, or
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maybe you don't if you haven't thought about it, there's a region of the
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screen that is in the middle at the crease that is not like affixed
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permanently to something because it has to bend and and it can't crease, you
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know, the fold the phone folds completely shut.
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But you can't have a crease like that bends on itself to that degree
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with the screen.
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You need some kind of curve radius and so the phone always has the
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the the hinge always has a place for the screen to go so it
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can curve more gently and not snap in half or break, which means there's
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an air gap for the screen to go into.
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And how do you water seal something that has an air gap?
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Well there must be a part where the screen joins the rest of the
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phone and becomes affixed to it again and that has to be water sealed
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that crease and same thing on the other, and that has to be sealed,
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and the hinge itself has to be sealed.
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And obviously, sealing up the parts where like the batteries and the SOCs are,
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they know how to do that.
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It's like a phone, but that screen interface to the rest of it.
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I'm amazed that they were able to pull this off, and it makes me
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even more angry that all their laptops die if you put a tiny bit
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of water on them, Casey.
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But like the the fact that this has and I looked it up the
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Like according to their spec pages, this has the same waterproofness as an iPhone
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18 Pro, which is amazing for a full folding phone.
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So I hope someone YouTube but both tries out uh if they can scratch
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the screen with an Apple pencil and also puts this thing in a cup
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of water and see how that does.
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I mean I believe them, but it's like a a another amazing technical feat.
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And like I said last time when we were talking about the iPhone Air
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exit interview, I also imagine that using what they learned from the air, that
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this thing is incredibly stiff and incredibly sturdy, but you can bet, even though
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I'm buying one of these, that I will go to the Apple store as
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soon as they have them and play with it extensively.
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You should buy one, but I know I'll convince you.
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This is your job, John.
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It's not my job to buy everything that Apple releases.
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That's not the job of a critic.
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The job of a critic is not to buy everything that Apple releases.
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Don't Casey, don't worry.
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The job John's job is to buy the things we don't buy.
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Uh I mean, well, I I there's a million places I can go go
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from here, but I will walk away.
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Uh hey, so Craig came up and uh he had a bunch of things
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to say, including that there is a new minimalist wallpaper view on the lock
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screen where basically everything gets out of the way and you just see a
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giant wallpaper.
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Um, you can do two-up split view multitasking, like I was saying.
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You can also launch a second window of the same app if supported.
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The example they gave is two Safari windows.
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Uh, like I said earlier, you can tap on the divider to pair apps
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for a kind of spaces like experience.
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Uh you can pin a video to the top while multitasking.
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Hand to God, I'm not kidding.
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This looks so hot because there's so many times I want to do two
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things at once.
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And one of them is just have a video, not literally in the background
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but figuratively in the background.
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And this lets you pin the video to the top and you still have
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plenty of space down below.
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Genuinely excited for this.
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Um we had talked about earlier you can use in very di uh various
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different orientations or what they call poses you could do a tent you can
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do an L including with a video in the like vertical portion of the
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L or this the L being like a laptop if you will uh the
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a video on the quote unquote laptop screen and the controls where the keyboard
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would be uh they were very excited about Netflix, which gave a demo of
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their edits to their app that supports this.
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Yeah, Netflix will won't do anything for the Vision Pro, but make a foldable
02:21:15
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phone and Netflix is there.
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Uh speakers will react to the position of the hinge to try to make
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things sound right, including when things are uh partially folded.
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Um iOS, like I said earlier, will try to move junk away from the
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crease wherever possible.
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Uh you can do standby even when you're not charging.
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If standby is when you put your phone in in a landscape position, but
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it only turns on when the phone is charging.
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In this case, you can do standby even when it's not charging, when it's
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like tent mode, if you will.
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Uh this makes for a very good bedside clock, including they made brief mention
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but I don't think they showed it, of wake up with a gentle glow.
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Um, so this could wake you up by just brightening the screen over time,
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which is uh the way I I don't typically wake up to an alarm,
02:21:58
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but when I do, that's how I wake up is there's a light next
02:22:00
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to my bed that glows v very nicely.
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Um, and that is much less jarring than, you know, your wrist vibrating or
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an alarm playing.
02:22:09
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Um they brought Johnny Sruji out for the display.
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It's so weird.
02:22:13
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I'm like, what?
02:22:14
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Wait, what chip is he gonna talk about?
02:22:15
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Yeah exactly.
02:22:16
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No, he's not talking about chips now.
02:22:17
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He's the head of all hardware.
02:22:19
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Oh that's why oh that's why you're confusing, right?
02:22:22
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Like why is he out there?
02:22:23
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But like he got elevated to be like hardware guy and hey, this is
02:22:26
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That's right.
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So always on HDR 120 hertz display with P3, thousand nits typical, sixteen hundred
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nits for HDR, three thousand nits outdoors, one knit minimum brightness.
02:22:38
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This is all the same as the iPhone
02:22:43
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The resolution, the interior resolution is 1878 by 2670 at 430 ppi.
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The outer resolution is 1398 by 2034 at 460.
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PSI almost said PSI PPI, which is 30 PPI better.
02:23:00
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It's interesting this is the PPI difference.
02:23:01
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I'm I'm not quite sure why they chose to do that.
02:23:03
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The outer screen is just so much easier because it's flat, it doesn't bend,
02:23:06
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it's got ceramic shield on it.
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like all the things that the inner screen is not, the outer screen can
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And I just for whatever reason they picked a different PPI, which is also
02:23:16
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weird because like they again they show the the little opening animation.
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It makes it seem like the cover of the book, so to speak, is
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transparent and that when you're opening it up you can see the un the
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screen underneath.
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Like they did it's all an illusion.
02:23:27
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This is kind of like the uh when the uh back of uh an
02:23:31
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orange uh iPhone uh 17 Pro looks like the same color as the surrounding
02:23:35
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thing for From one particular angle, this illusion that they show looks really cool.
02:23:39
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From any other angle, it's probably if it's like watching someone do like a
02:23:42
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uh a scene in the volume at ILM, uh but you're not looking from
02:23:46
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the right perspective and all the background looks wacky.
02:23:48
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So we'll see how that looks.
02:23:49
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But yeah, it they have to match that and they're matching a four sixty
02:23:52
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PPI front screen to a four thirty PPI back screen to maintain that illusion.
02:23:56
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So a little weird, but I mean I guess it makes sense.
02:23:59
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So they have a perceptually flat matte surface.
02:24:02
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Uh I did see a handful of videos, uh Tyler Tyler Stallman put something
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that I'd seen on Instagram.
02:24:07
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Uh I don't think I'll be able to find a link for the show
02:24:09
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notes, especially since I think it's means it'll disappear.
02:24:12
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But from what I could tell from video, so asterisk, double asterisk, dagger, double
02:24:18
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dagger, it did look like the crease did disappear visually.
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Now, my understanding is you can still feel it, but it sure looked like
02:24:26
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it just disappeared.
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This is very TBD.
02:24:29
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Don't take that as fact.
02:24:30
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I've not seen one in person.
02:24:32
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We will see.
02:24:33
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But I was impressed.
02:24:34
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That was the whole pitch of the top layer.
02:24:36
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Was like, hey, the crease is gonna be there and we can't stop it,
02:24:39
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but we're gonna put this fuzz that's another I guess the other reason of
02:24:42
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the matte texture.
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We're gonna put this thing above it that's gonna diffuse the light because the
02:24:46
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the way you pick it up, if you've seen lots of reviews of these
02:24:48
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folding phones is you get a specular highlight at the crease, right?
02:24:50
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It's like that the light gathers there, reflects as a little curve portion.
02:24:54
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You get a specular highlight, it makes it super obvious.
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And they're like, This screen, no specular highlights.
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Everything is diffuse.
02:25:00
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We're gonna put But this the and and you know the the the plastic
02:25:02
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rumpily laser coated thing on the top of it also may have a crease
02:25:06
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in it, but because it's so diffuse, because it is so matte, it dampens
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down, it spreads the specular highlight that would highlight ha highlight where the crease
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is over a larger area.
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I think that's the idea.
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And I that's why I believe, especially with a brand new model that they
02:25:20
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just put out in front of the press, that it might actually not be
02:25:23
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possible to see the crease with the naked eye, especially if the screen is
02:25:26
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You know what I mean?
02:25:27
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So they talked a lot about how they made all this work.
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Like I was saying, there's a gazillion layers to the screen, um, with a
02:25:33
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diz a gzillion different materials involved.
02:25:36
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Um, but one way or another, they do their best to try to make
02:25:40
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this look and feel as good as possible.
02:25:42
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The A20 has a display engine with the dual display support and under-camera display
02:25:49
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Um, it has a uh 35% higher sustained performance over an iPhone 17 Pro,
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It has the C2 cellular modem, which they specifically cited, and this is the
02:26:01
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first time in an Apple cellular modem, 5G millimeter wave in the US, which
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is a feature that I absolutely love.
02:26:08
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Didn't I was fairly convinced that it was never coming to an Apple modem,
02:26:11
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partially because I don't think anyone uses it, including me anymore.
02:26:15
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But man, when you have it, it's incredible.
02:26:17
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Um the C2 was supposed to be way way more efficient, uh faster uploads,
02:26:21
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Uh the duo is eSIM only worldwide.
02:26:24
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There are two batteries.
02:26:25
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There's one on each side of the phone that uh operates seamlessly as one.
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You get 31 hours of video playback on the inner display, 44 on the
02:26:33
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outer display because it's smaller, less to illuminate, 24 hours of usage per charge,
02:26:38
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50% charge in 20 minutes by wire, five hours of video on the outer
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display after five minutes of charging.
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Conspicuously absent from the keynote, which got me very nervous, was any mention of
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MagSafe whatsoever.
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They did say that one of the that the back of the closed uh
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the when it's closed, that the back is ceramic shield one, which would No,
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that's got MagSafe.
02:27:00
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It's the notes somewhere.
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I'm getting there, darn it.
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So they the the fact that it's glass on the back made me think
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maybe it has MagSafe, or maybe that's just for, you know, cellular and and
02:27:10
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radio and whatever.
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Uh but no, it does turn out as John ruined for me, but that's
02:27:15
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Uh it does indeed have MagSafe.
02:27:17
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Although I did see somewhere that it's specifically sites in like the comparison that
02:27:21
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you can use I forget these specifics, but it's like you can use uh
02:27:25
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All right, where is it?
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I can't find it either.
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I don't know if it's in there somewhere.
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All right, well uh oh there we go.
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Uh so MagSafe wireless charging up to twenty five watts with a thirty watt
02:27:34
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adapter or higher.
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Compatible with MagSafe cases, wallets, wireless chargers, and more.
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Although I don't I think that's wrong.
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I think the duo is not compatible with wallets, if I recall correctly.
02:27:44
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I think I copied and pasted that from their comparison page.
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So maybe the compare page is wrong, but it seemed like it had the
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same kind of entry as everything else.
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Yeah maybe I've got it wrong.
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I don't just go do a little investigation.
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But the point is we had heard, okay, no face ID, true, bums me
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out but we'll see how the touch ID is.
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Uh that we had heard uh no mag safe really bummed me out because
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I almost never plug in my phone anymore.
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Uh that turns out to be not true, which I'm excited about.
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And the other thing we heard was that the camera situation was as compared
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to the Pro anyway, not going to be stellar.
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And let me tell you, that is correct, and I am very sad about
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There is a fusion main camera which has the fake 2x zoom where they
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do a crop of the uh full frame.
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Uh it does do 4K 120 frames per second video, no variable aperture, no
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Apple reference image support.
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The zoom levels are half uh one in 2x as compared to the pro
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which is half one, two, four, and eight.
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This means there is no telephoto.
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There's a uh ultra wide and a main camera.
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There's no telephoto.
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And your boy is not happy about it, y'all.
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What are you gonna do?
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Uh but that's all right.
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Oh, it doesn't have pro raw either.
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The selfie camera is also lesser.
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It's uh twelve twelve megapixel center stage instead of eighteen on the eighteen pro
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That's right.
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Uh the interior camera, the underscreen camera is not nearly as good.
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Although it does have the dual dual capture FaceTime thing, which is nice.
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So uh we're jumping ahead ever so slightly, but that's totally fine.
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Uh it does dual capture and FaceTime, so you can do uh dual capture
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like when you're recording video but you can also do duo face time which
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is where the uh you you're you're holding it open and you're seeing the
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other person and yourself and at the same time the Back display, what would
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normally be the outer display, is showing the remote person so that somebody else
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that's not you, that's looking at the back of your phone, can also participate
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in what's going on, which is very, very slick.
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I'm curious to see, maybe they showed it and I just didn't.
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I'm curious to see what this looks like on the other side of the
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Do you get two views?
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Two like do you get both the view of me and the view of
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Marco in front of the back camera?
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I I I don't know.
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But I mean I think ultimately like the the dynamics of having a screen
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that can face the same way as the back cameras, that's gonna sell a
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lot of these in lots of different ways.
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Because think about like they showed it for two seconds in the video, but
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being able to take a selfie using the best camera on the phone is
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a huge advantage of foldables.
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Because the back you can use the back camera while looking at a screen
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and you can see what it's taking.
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Like that changes so much about taking pictures.
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So that like I think a lot of people are gonna buy the folding
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phones and and stick with them forever for that reason alone.
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And they showed it y it's also its own stand, which goes great with
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the feature they have where like it waits for everyone to be looking at
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the camera and staying still to take the picture so you don't have to
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use timers or anything.
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But it is its own stand.
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You just put it into a little L shape, you point it where you
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want, everyone gathers in front of it, the smart software waits until everybody is
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looking at the camera and takes the picture.
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Like this is what I think, I think they like thought of everything.
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They had the thing where like you're taking a picture of a little kid,
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so it shows a little animation of Snoopy on the screen that they can
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see to make them smile.
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So it just just every good idea that they had they put into this
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phone software wise.
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Uh yeah, that's called KidQ, where they show Snoopy or perhaps other things on
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the outer display such that the kid is very amused and smiles.
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Uh we mentioned the smart take thing, which is where it it will hit
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the shutter on its own once it thinks everyone is ready.
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Uh, the they have a couple of cases.
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They have an iPhone Duofolio with an integrated kickstand.
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I can't decide if this is the least appealing case I've ever seen or
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the most clever case I've ever seen.
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I mean kudos for them for just saying, look, we're gonna we're gonna try
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We're gonna do cases.
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Like we know third parties are gonna do them.
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So would Apple do a case?
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Yeah it it reminds me of like the f the the original iPad case
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where like Apple's like we think the iPad might need a case.
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And everyone was like, Nope, that's not it, but could try.
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I look at these and I'm like, uh, is that it?
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I don't know.
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It's it's something.
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They also have a duo case which has two parts that wrap around each
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Starting price, as we all pretty much expected, two grand for two hundred fifty
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That's better.
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That's better than a lot of the people I that saw saw the predictions,
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like, oh, how much is this gonna cost?
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I mean they got it one nine nine nine nine, right?
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That is I think the lowest uh end of any of the predictions I
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It was like maybe they'll get it for two thousand dollars.
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And everyone's like, no, it's not even gonna start under that, it's gonna be
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So kudos for Apple for again beating expectations for the base price of what
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this very expensive phone would be.
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Yeah, and I think I think that makes it pretty reasonably competitive with the
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other folding phones on the market.
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Like they're all in the same price range.
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And if you know for Apple to be shipping like their, you know, their
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top of the line implementation of these ideas for Apple prices and for it
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to be competitive is is pretty impressive.
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Yeah, so it's uh it'll go up to two gigabytes, but again, two grand
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for two hundred and fifty six gigs.
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Pre-orders start on October 16.
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They are available on the 23rd.
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Uh, and that was the entire presentation.
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I'm gonna circle back in a second to more phone stuff.
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But what we did not see in this presentation, which I am not happy
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There's no new Apple TVs.
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Hopefully they're gonna do some like home oriented presentation sometime in like October.
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Or it's a press release product.
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Or press release product.
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I'd they could do it with like the I the uh the home pod
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with the screen thing, this would fit right in there.
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Yeah, I don't think there was ever any chance of Apple TVs being this
02:33:20
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event because the the pattern they've followed for many, many years is like the
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iPhone event in early September is iPhones and Apple Watches and basically nothing else.
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And then later.
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I guess AirPods in this case stupid.
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And then later on in the fall, there's the October event, and that's more
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if there's any Macs, iPads, and home products, they go in that event.
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So that I would expect absolutely Apple TV, if they do their like home
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dock thing, like if that makes it into this year that's rumored, um, that
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I would expect to be in the October event as well.
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Um so that's that was never gonna happen this time, Casey, sorry.
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I my intellectually I know that but damn it, I want a new one.
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But don't worry.
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We're gonna be very busy over the next month changing our entire apps around
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So don't worry.
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It'll the time will fly by, I assure you.
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That's very true.
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Uh so let's go back.
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Uh first of all the chatroom seems to be very crotchety about the fact
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that nobody's gonna buy this phone.
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Obviously, I don't know, but let me tell you, I really think that this
02:34:18
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is gonna sell better than any of us, including me, expect, in no small
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part because anyone who does any sort of the like prototypical content creation, so
02:34:27
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like Instagram, TikTok, something like that, this phone seems tremendous for that.
02:34:32
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I'm not saying like shooting a commercial with this phone.
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No, you're gonna get an 18 Pro for that.
02:34:37
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But if you're doing more casual now, pr it could be professional, but yet
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uh uh seemingly casual camera.
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Yeah, exactly.
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I I'm trying not to be derogatory, but yes, that's what I'm as an
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influencer creation device.
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This seems to be Freaking perfect.
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Actually, I'm gonna say this about the influencer thing of this.
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Here's the role this fast in the influencer world.
02:34:59
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They're gonna shoot it on their Sony whatever Z whatever, but they'll be holding
02:35:03
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this phone in the whole video.
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No, that could be.
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That's how it's gonna work.
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That is because it's a status item.
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Like I mean the the saving grace that this has is the reports are
02:35:12
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that they're uh first of all, that they're not manufacturing a lot of them
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and that the manufacturing is going slower than expected.
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So maybe they'll sell every single one of these they could make, and we
02:35:21
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just don't know how many that's gonna be.
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Uh but yeah, like I think they're Apple's presentation of this device, why would
02:35:28
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you want this?
02:35:29
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Having not touched the thing with my hands, I don't even have a model.
02:35:32
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From what I saw in the video, I'm like, okay, they have a compelling
02:35:35
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case because like and I was amazed in the ad that they didn't show
02:35:38
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some of the most compelling stuff.
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Like, show the thing where where the person you're taking a picture of can
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tell you that they're not frame red and to move.
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Show the thing where it's entertaining a kid and take like take show the
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thing where it's a like a little laptop where the video controls for once.
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Do not dim the entire video image so it can show a giant pause
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button in the middle and take three seconds after you hit play to go.
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One, two, three.
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Okay now on dim.
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All the controls can be away from the video like they were in Quick
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Time Player Seven, back in the days when our controls didn't of our content.
02:36:08
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Well, those days are back again with the iPhone Duo.
02:36:11
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Like this is a an easy phone to sell in ads.
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Not so easy once they see the price tag, but I think it will
02:36:18
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be perceived as a luxury high-end good, even if it turns out that most
02:36:22
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people don't use a phone in this aspect ratio.
02:36:24
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We'll see how that goes, because again, Samsung's out there with their there were
02:36:27
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copycat phone and the same aspect ratio.
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But until this phone and the Samsung one, I don't think there were a
02:36:32
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lot of foldable phones in this particular dimension.
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So it's kind of an unknown.
02:36:36
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But I don't, you know, yes, it's
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even more so elsewhere in the world.
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But I feel like this is kind of like, you know, it's a high
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end product that not a lot of people are gonna buy.
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Uh and you know, the the the the bigger question is follow up phones,
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the the the duo two, duo three, do in in the future.
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Do they keep making this?
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Do they, you know, does it eventually become a mass market product?
02:37:00
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Is it always just gonna be a high end?
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Like how is this gonna go in the future?
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But for the very first one, I think they'll probably sell most of what
02:37:06
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they can make.
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Oh, I think they're gonna have no problem selling.
02:37:09
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I think they're gonna sell Literally every single one of them, I think they're
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gonna be back ordered for months.
02:37:14
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Yep, agreed.
02:37:15
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I want to go back to something you said about aspect ratio.
02:37:17
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I meant to bring this up earlier and I forgot.
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Something that occurred to me is that even though I do mostly like the
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size of my iPhone 17 Pro, not the Pro Max, with 17 Pro.
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First of all, I am deeply committed to using it with a pop socket
02:37:29
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because I just feel like it's too big for my hand anyway.
02:37:31
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It's too big to use without.
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But I cannot reach past the top, like I cannot reach the top quarter
02:37:38
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of this phone, maybe maybe third, third to quarter of this phone.
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And yes, I know that the the pull down reachability, whatever you call it,
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thing exists, but I can't reach the top of the screen.
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I suspect, hope that I will be able to reach much more of the
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exterior screen, the outer screen on the duo, than I can on any phone
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I've had for the last several years.
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And that is genuinely exciting to me.
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Now, that also doesn't, I'm not acknowledging the fact that they've also moved a
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lot of the things that I would need to reach closer to my thumb
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as a righty.
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But even still, even if stuff is is still lingering at the top of
02:38:13
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the screen, I suspect I'm gonna have a much better time single handing this
02:38:16
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phone than I have in a long time.
02:38:18
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Now I could be wrong, maybe the the extra width will ruin this idea,
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but sitting here, ignorance is lists.
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Uh, and I I think this could be a lot better.
02:38:26
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And I'm really, really stoked for that.
02:38:27
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You know, they didn't show, speaking of things reaching things, maybe they showed it
02:38:30
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in one of the the WWC style developer videos, but like uh in open
02:38:34
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book mode, whatever that mode is called, in landscape, do they do like a
02:38:37
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split keyboard like the iPad used to have?
02:38:39
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I uh I that's another thing I meant to bring up.
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I don't think they ever showed a keyboard.
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No, I I think text input is gonna be a big question mark on
02:38:47
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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One thing I've always I've always hated using the on-screen keyboard on iPads, even
02:38:55
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Because it like the size of it is just it's like it's it's just
02:38:59
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It's not what my thumbs are used to on the phone, but it's too
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small to use like a real keyboard.
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Like it just it it never felt right to me.
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And I think that's going to be a challenge for this phone because basically
02:39:13
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However you're gonna use this phone, you're gonna have at least two different sizes
02:39:18
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of the on screen keyboard.
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Because if you use it closed, that's gonna be one size of the keyboard.
02:39:23
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But then if you open it, even if you hold it in portrait opened,
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it's gonna be way wider.
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So you're gonna constantly be shifting between different physical sizes of the on-screen keyboard.
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That I think is gonna be weird and maybe not good.
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That's why I think maybe in landscape that they'll bring back the split keyboard
02:39:41
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I don't did that ever go away in iPad or do people just not
02:39:44
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use it anymore?
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Um I th I think it's gone, but it was I mean, it wasn't
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good because again, even then, like you're changing you're changing the physical layout of
02:39:52
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So even if you move the on screen keys into you know different rows
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set set apart from each other, you're still changing the physical layout of the
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keyboard between different orientations.
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So I I think that's gonna be maybe a tough thing for people to
02:40:05
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Well and this becomes popular, people will carry this with them much more than
02:40:08
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they would ever carry an iPad because it does fold and can fit in
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their pocket.
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So maybe people will become accustomed to typing in landscape like they did on
02:40:16
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those um sidekick, hip top sidekick things or like I think people will get
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used to any form factor if they use it enough.
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I think the outer screen, like the the book closed screen, that's fine.
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That's just a phone keyboard, you'll fine with that.
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But if people end up texting with this thing opened in portrait or landscape,
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I think people will get used to whatever form they put it in.
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I I imagine most people will be messaging with the thing closed, but we'll
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see 'cause 'cause like when it's when it's closed, the screen is pretty short.
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And so I I think like you're not gonna be able to fit a
02:40:46
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lot of your content above the keyboard when it's closed?
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I mean it's like the original i it's not it's still bigger than the
02:40:51
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original iPhone I think there's plenty of room to see text messages.
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Yeah, but it like my my guess is what's going to happen is people
02:40:58
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people who you get this are going to end up unfolding it and using
02:41:02
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it open for almost all messaging, just because they're they will want the keyboard
02:41:06
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to be like one size that they're used to and they'll want more space
02:41:09
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to actually see what they are what they are texting, you know?
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So all in all, I I feel like this device, the iPhone Duo, is
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an exercise in compromise, which is what we all expected.
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You know, we don't have face ID, but we have a pretty solid touch
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ID in theory.
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Uh we don't have the world's greatest cameras, but we have decent ones.
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Uh the the hinge sounds like it's good.
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The crease sounds like it's mostly disappeared.
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The matte screen is gonna be really nice, especially in like sunshine.
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That should be really great.
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Uh there's a lot of pluses and a lot of minuses, but I have
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to say In a lot of ways, this does seem like a a return
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to form for Apple insofar as it's well considered.
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It seems like they've done their best job, as we were talking about earlier,
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in making in in re-examining all their priors and saying, does the dock need
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to be on the bottom?
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Does does the toolbar need to be at the top?
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You know, and so on and so forth.
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Um, the animation when you open it, I I I forget if we even
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brought this up, but the animation when you open this, where you see kind
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of like a a fuzzy bit, like a reflected fuzzy bit on the left
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hand side is your that was genius.
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That that is Apple at their best.
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So like is it dumb?
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Kind of, but it's incredible.
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I think that adds so much to it.
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And that, that animation, as you're opening it, is the apple that the three
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of us, and probably most of you listening to this show, that's the apple
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That is the apple we want.
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And I am so excited to see even a glimmer of that apple.
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That's what I'm talking about.
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So we were uh Marco and I particularly are very embittered, very grumpy, grumpy,
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very offended about the way the developer story is on this phone.
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Oh, it's a mess.
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It's a mess for us.
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I stand by everything the both of us were saying.
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But I wanna end uh I wanna turn that frown upside down to end
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with and say, I don't know I I will be buying one of th
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that's the next thing I was gonna ask is what are you guys doing?
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I will be buying one.
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Marco said he will be buying one.
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I will at least attempt to use it full time.
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I don't know if I'll stick with it or not, but I don't think
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that this is something I want necessarily, but I am genuinely excited to try
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And I think a lot of the reason I'm excited to try it out
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is because not only is the hardware different, which in and of itself is
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novel, but the software is so different.
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And again, taking off my developer hat and putting on my user hat, that's
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really exciting.
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And let me tell you.
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I am not huge into the selfie, but I and I don't FaceTime that
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But man, some of the things that they're doing around this, and we don't
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rehash the last half hour, but it's so clever and so cool.
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And the fact that this thing is so versatile.
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I mean I would argue this is the most versatile iPhone ever.
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And I think that there's so much to like about this.
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Even if you're not in the market for a folding phone, which gr me,
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the user, I'm not in the market for folding phone.
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Me, the developer is unfortunately, but me the user, not really.
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Uh but even if you're not in the market, I think there's a lot
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to be excited about.
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And I genuinely think price be damned, I think like Marco said a few
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minutes ago, this is going to sell like crazy.
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And I'm not even just talking developers.
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I think this is gonna sell and sell a lot.
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So I'm in for one.
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Marco, you said you're in for one.
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If you have any other thoughts, I'm happy to hear it.
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Yeah, I mean I again I th I think for developers of iOS apps,
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I think it's your hands on one of these um because uh it there's
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there's no way that the simulator is going to give us the real world
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experience of handling and using the device.
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It it can get close, it can help us work out the bugs of
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you know getting our crap away from the sidebars and figuring all that stuff
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Like the you know it can it can help us develop like you know
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the the functional part of the UI but it's not gonna help us develop
02:44:55
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a great design.
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Like it it's not gonna help us be able to test how how things
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handle, how things look, how things work, what makes a good a a good
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design on the duo.
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Like we don't really know yet.
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Um so I think for developers it's important to have this.
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As a user, I don't think this will stick for me.
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Um I I think the the compromises in some of the weird sizing of
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it, the text input, the, you know, not as good cameras, not as good
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Like I think a lot of that stuff is going to irritate me.
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Even beyond all that, it's heavy.
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It's it's gonna feel like a brick in my pocket.
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And uh even though it is a smaller brick th in some dimensions, but
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it's it's thick and heavy.
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And I think I I love a lightweight phone and so I don't see
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myself using it full time to be honest, but um I I see a
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pretty strong reason for me to have one for as a developer.
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Do you plan to trial it full time at all?
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Yeah, my plan is basically like I'll get it as soon as I can
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get it and 'cause I I'm as I mentioned, I'm not getting an eighteen
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Uh I'm sticking with my seventeen pro for the time being.
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So um as soon as I can get my hands on a duo, like
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I'm gonna try to order it on day one and see what the ship
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You know, I'll try there right at the beginning, even though it's gonna be
02:46:07
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like isn't it like three in the morning or something?
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But I honestly don't know.
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Uh we'll have we'll have to look it up.
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But um I'm gonna try to be there on day one, but we'll see.
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In the meantime, I'll happily keep using my orange phone.
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Fair enough.
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John, I presume you are not in for duo.
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You've all but said that already.
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So what is the Syracuse family purchasing for this fall?
02:46:27
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Yeah, I'm just getting a 18 pro for myself.
02:46:30
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Um and I will say that if I if I had an iOS app,
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I would probably get this phone just because like like Marco said, like this
02:46:36
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is such a big change.
02:46:38
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There There's no way to avoid getting this phone.
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If you want if you want your app to take advantage of it.
02:46:45
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If you don't want your app to take advantage of it because you're like,
02:46:46
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oh my app, I don't care.
02:46:47
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Like it's not, you know, it's it's people who buy this phone are not
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gonna buy my app or I'm whatever, then fine.
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But like this is kind of one of those things it's like getting an
02:46:56
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Like if you you know, I had the the D T K when uh
02:46:58
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when Macs went to ARM, right?
02:47:00
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If you have Mac apps and you know, obviously the the ARM Mac DTK
02:47:05
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thing was cheaper than two thousand dollars or whatever, but like it's kind of
02:47:08
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one of those things you have to do just to make sure your app
02:47:10
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works right and work out all the problems or whatever.
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So I would do wonder how what percentage of the people who buy this
02:47:16
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phone are gonna be developers?
02:47:18
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Because I mean it is very expensive but like if you are an iOS
02:47:21
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developer and you want your app to take advantage of this, you have to
02:47:26
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buy the hardware.
02:47:27
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Um that's not me.
02:47:27
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I don't s app, so I'm not getting it.
02:47:30
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I showed it to my wife and she m I I don't think she
02:47:34
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quite understands like why anyone would want a phone like this, but I if
02:47:37
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I could somehow get her to watch that portion of the presentation, I think
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she would like, oh, that is kind of cool.
02:47:43
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Um I fear her deciding that she wants it 'cause it's a very expensive
02:47:46
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phone, but next year will be her year.
02:47:48
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So when she gets her new phone, if she wants to get a fold
02:47:50
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next year or duo or whatever, duo two or whatever's out then, that may
02:47:54
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be the introduction of the duo into household, especially if Pokemon Go takes advantage
02:47:58
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of the screen.
02:47:58
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I was gonna say like could you Remy run two Pokemon Go instantly instances
02:48:02
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side by side.
02:48:02
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Oh no, you have to yeah I think you have to be signed in
02:48:04
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in two different accounts.
02:48:05
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Maybe uh if she can do that, she's definitely getting this phone.
02:48:08
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Um she's right now she's just she's salivating it my uh the pristine battery
02:48:13
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in my uh 16 pro because she's gonna get this phone goes to the
02:48:16
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Pokemon mines after I get my new one.
02:48:18
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I mean technically she could run three instances of it, you know, one on
02:48:21
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the battery.
02:48:22
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Yeah, exactly.
02:48:23
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And burn the battery down three times as fast.
02:48:25
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She would totally do that if that is supported by the app.
02:48:27
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But hey, you know, it's uh up to the company that's making it to
02:48:31
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Um, and I I think I tried to describe that opening animation two times
02:48:36
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May like that's what I was talking about when saying they they're trying to
02:48:39
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make it look like the front of the book, the cover of the book
02:48:41
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is made of glass and you could see through it.
02:48:43
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That's getting at, right, Casey?
02:48:44
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Yeah yeah yeah yeah I mean like again, I th I think that effect
02:48:47
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only works dead on, but uh I'm definitely gonna try that out.
02:48:50
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It I mean, it's kind of like I can see how they came up
02:48:53
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with that, but like I think back to the original iPhone with like the
02:48:55
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slide animation.
02:48:56
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That works from any angle, but it's much less impressive.
02:48:58
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And this is like way more impressive, but only works if you're looking dead
02:49:02
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onto the phone.
02:49:02
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But maybe you're always looking dead onto the phone when you open it.
02:49:04
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And it just seems strikes me that the kind of thing that they might
02:49:07
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Kind of like the ripple effect in dashboard.
02:49:09
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They're like, all right, that's enough of that.
02:49:11
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Um but we'll see how long this lasts.
02:49:13
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And also if it that is at all stuttery, it kind of ruins the
02:49:16
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So we'll see how that goes as well.
02:49:18
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But boy did this phone demo well.
02:49:20
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Um and then on the C2 chip in the thing with millimeter winner and
02:49:23
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everything, I was kind of upset when because the rumors were that the like
02:49:27
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this would get the C two, but that the the the eighteen pro would
02:49:31
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But it turns out that was only half right.
02:49:32
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The eighteen pro gets the C two, which means it has the, you know,
02:49:36
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lower power, blah blah blah, and also millimeter wave.
02:49:38
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So it's like the no compromise.
02:49:40
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You've got the phone that I'm getting will have the Apple, hopefully good Apple
02:49:45
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►
cell radio that still has a millimeter wave, even though I've never actually used
02:49:48
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So it's like no compromises on features and lower power.
02:49:51
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►
But for whatever reason the Pro Max doesn't.
02:49:53
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►
I wonder if they just couldn't fab capacity or something, or they just had
02:49:56
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►
some deal with Qualcomm or they had to buy Qualcomm chips for something.
02:49:59
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Like it's it's mysterious.
02:50:00
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I wonder if anyone will get an Apple on the record saying why that
02:50:03
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►
split exists, but searching Apple's websites like again, that's that's for Mac rumors.
02:50:08
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I can't even confirm that that's entirely the case.
02:50:10
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I believe it, it probably is, but Apple is not touting the fact that
02:50:14
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one of the 18 phones doesn't have the C2 in it.
02:50:18
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But but yeah, like they did everything they could with the hardware and software
02:50:21
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of this phone to give it the best possible chance.
02:50:23
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The compromises it has are compromises that are necessary from a technological perspective.
02:50:29
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At this price, I will say.
02:50:30
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Because if they wanted to make this a four thousand dollar phone, it probably
02:50:33
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could have had better cameras.
02:50:34
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You know what I mean?
02:50:35
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But like within the realm of how they targeted this product, I think the
02:50:38
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hardware and software team seem to have done a good job assuming that the
02:50:42
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software actually works the way the demo showed it working.
02:50:45
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Uh and we'll see how that goes because especially with stuff like this where
02:50:50
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there hasn't been a long beta period where iPhone Duo uh users have been
02:50:54
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testing iOS twenty-seven beta out in public.
02:50:57
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No, then no one has been testing iOS twenty-seven on this phone except for
02:51:00
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Apple employees.
02:51:02
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Uh and that is a way smaller group than all the developers in the
02:51:05
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So expect a little bit of a bumpy road.
02:51:08
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Best case it's like the iPhone ten was.
02:51:10
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Uh worst case it's like the iPhone ten times three.
02:51:14
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I I think I mean there is one difference though.
02:51:16
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First of all, I I am extremely um extremely optimistic.
02:51:20
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I think they're gonna sell as many of these as they can make.
02:51:23
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I think it's gonna be way beyond developers who buy it.
02:51:26
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I think it's gonna be a a significant hit within the category.
02:51:29
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Now, that being said, they're gonna sell a hundred times more iPhone Pros than
02:51:35
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this, but this will be a hit relative to other foldables, and I th
02:51:40
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I definitely think it will substantially outsell the iPhone Air from this past year.
02:51:44
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Like I think it will be it'll be a hit, but it will still
02:51:47
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be, you know, probably less than ten percent of of the sales.
02:51:50
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Um but that that would still be a hit.
02:51:52
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However, what makes it different from the iPhone X from the developer point of
02:51:58
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view is that the iPhone X was the Pro Phone of that year.
02:52:02
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And it was what all future iPhones would be like, and we knew it.
02:52:07
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So there was a huge volume of customers, both there in year one, and
02:52:13
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we knew coming down the pipe, so that we had a huge incentive to
02:52:17
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update our apps to m to make them ideal on that device.
02:52:22
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Whereas we're gonna have that with this device because this is not the Pro
02:52:25
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phone of this year.
02:52:26
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It will not be the biggest selling phone of this year or probably any
02:52:30
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And the future is not gonna be all foldables.
02:52:33
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So this is gonna be a a new device family that we have to
02:52:38
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accommodate, but it's not gonna be the one with the most people in it.
02:52:42
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So that might actually slow down development efforts to adopt to its screen for,
02:52:48
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say, big companies.
02:52:49
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Like, you know, I can imagine this is gonna be the kind of thing
02:52:51
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that like, you know, Google Docs, for instance, like they're gonna take forever.
02:52:54
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►
Like it, you know, that that kind of app where a company has to
02:52:58
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justify it, it might not have the the volume to to motivate that kind
02:53:03
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of development yet.
02:53:05
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Anything else we want to talk about from the event today?
02:53:08
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Oh, they gave uh Golden Gate a release date.
02:53:10
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It's on the 14th.
02:53:13
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I'm excited about it.
02:53:14
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Um this is a question for you two.
02:53:16
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Uh real-time uh question on the air.
02:53:18
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Uh is the Xcode RC can you submit to the App Store from that?
02:53:22
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Well then I got some work to do this week.
02:53:24
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Yeah, we yeah I think we all have a lot of No, I d
02:53:27
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I mean I just have to submit my already done uh tested macOS twenty
02:53:31
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seven builds of my apps.
02:53:33
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I honestly, so I I had mentioned um somewhere else, I think it was
02:53:37
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here, I'd mentioned that like I had not done any um overcast UI work
02:53:41
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to lay out for the new phone yet.
02:53:44
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I am so glad I didn't because this changes everything.
02:53:48
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Like it it wasn't just resizing the app.
02:53:50
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It's like, oh, move all the toolbars, change the way sheets work, add rotation
02:53:56
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support, which Overcast has never had.
02:53:58
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Like it's a tremendous undertaking.
02:54:01
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Like oh geez.
02:54:02
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Okay, so it yeah, it's gonna be it's gonna be some work.
02:54:05
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But at least now I know what I'm aiming for.
02:54:07
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And maybe someday Apple will give me the tools to do it.
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Now the show is over, they didn't even mean to begin, cause it was
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Accidental Oh it was accidental.
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Accidental John didn't do any research, Marco in Casey wouldn't let him.
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Cause it was accidental.
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Accidental It was accidental
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And you can find the show notes at ATP.fm And if you're into Mastodon
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They didn't mean to accidental accidental check Tech podcast so long.
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Quick after show update on my app Jetty that I talked about a couple
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episodes ago that puts dock-like things all around the edges of your screens.
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And last time I talked about it, I said I had this weird weird
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scheme where I was gonna have like uh a free version on the App
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Store and then if you have the App Store version installed and you download
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the Pro version, uh the Pro version will sense that you have the free
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version or not the you it'll sense that you have the App Store version
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and then just run for free because you've already paid through the App Store
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um and that is a scheme that since then lots of developers have written
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to me and said, Oh, I do that now and Apple actually hasn't yelled
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at me about it.
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And some people are like, oh, not only do I do it, but inside
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my app I tell people to go download the Pro version and Apple hasn't
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Uh Um, again, that doesn't
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stop me because there's no consistency in the app store, but at least it
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is something that people have done and not gotten yelled at.
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Technic from a technical perspective, it's easy to do, I've already done it.
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Um, but my news is that I've, you know, and I said like a
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ATP members will could be on the test flight and all the other stuff,
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like I did with my other apps and like Casey did with his apps.
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So I've been doing that and ATP members have been joining the test flight
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and doing stuff and I have a Slack and we're getting bug reports and
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doing all the things, right?
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And during that process, what I pretty pretty quickly discovered is that
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as I was like fixing bugs and adding features, like I would do like
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the release notes of like, okay, in this test flight build, I added X,
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Y, and Z, and you know, put you know, doing your release notes for
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your test flight builds.
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Um And I kept realizing that like often when I was uploading the test
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site build, I didn't write because I hadn't actually changed anything in the Mac
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App Store version of the app because every single feature I added was only
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in the Prover.
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Because you can't do anything in the Mac App Store.
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Everything is oh private API this and no, you can't do that.
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And I tried to get like seven different entitlements that would've let me do
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things, and Apple was like, Rejected, rejected, rejected.
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Your app doesn't need this.
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Your app doesn't need this.
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You can't this, your app doesn't No, there's no appeal process.
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You can't, you can't have it, can't have it.
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It's like why even have these entitlements?
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Like you know, just it if I wanna like oh my god, just some
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of the entitlements is getting rejected for us.
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Like if an app like this can't have it, if an app like this
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where you can put like a folder in a doc and click on it
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and open the folder and put things into it.
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If I can't have the entitlement that lets me do that with arbitrary folders,
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then what app deserves it?
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Because you can put arbitrary folders in a dock-like thing and I think Apple's
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attitude is don't make a dock-like thing.
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So I pretty quickly came to the decision.
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This is not going to be in the Mac App Store.
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I still have the same project where there's, but I cannot like an uh
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an uh an app like this that is any good, that has the features
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that I want it to have, the features that I've written for it, cannot
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be in the Mac app store.
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So I basically stopped the test flight.
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I took it off the member page at ATP.
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If you ATP.fm, if you go there, you'll see I don't even mention the
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test flight.
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All I say is hey, do you want to be on the Jetty Pro
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Uh send me an email and I'll add you to a list.
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And I just, you know, then you can download the beta and you can
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test it or whatever.
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So I'm all in on Jetty Pro, which is fun because the first fact
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item will be why is it called Jetty Pro?
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Where's non-pro?
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Someday maybe there will be a non-pro because in theory I could do a
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lot of these things in the Mac App Store if Apple would get let
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me have the entitlements, which they're currently not, because I literally got rejected for
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every every single entitlement I asked for.
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And also, if they fulfill the feedbacks that I filed over the past five
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to ten years asking for features that they don't provide that they totally should.
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Uh but in pro, I don't have to worry about that.
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I just use the private APIs and they can't stop me.
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Um so that's my plan.
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But of course oh you're going to have this thing outside the Mac App
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Store how are you gonna deal with payments?
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Well, I took a wild diversion off into figuring how to do payments outside
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the Mac App Store.
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I actually implemented it twice, once on Fast Spring, which was by far the
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easiest to set up and the most full featured, and I highly endorse and
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recommend it because everything else was like a nightmare to even get into.
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Um, but after that, I decided that I'm going to rip all that out
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and redo it with a combination of Revenue Cat and Stripe, mostly because I'm
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so familiar with Stripe.
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And I didn't think I could use Stripe because it doesn't provide all the
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functionality I need, but it turns out a combination of Revenue Cat, which is
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also very well established and used by lots of developers, combining Revenue Cat with
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Stripe in a way that Revenue Cat blesses and describes on their website and
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has examples of Mac apps that do it.
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I'm like, okay.
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So it was a pain and I wasted a lot of time.
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And I totally ripped out.
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I made a new branch for just Revenue Cat and ripped out the Fast
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Spring bring stuff and replace it with Revenue CAD and Stripe, and that is
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And as always, like the payment part is the most terrifying and complicated part
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of the whole stupid app.
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Because if you screw it up, it's bad.
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So yeah, that's the state of things.
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Jetty Pro, if you're an ATP member and you want to beta test Jetty
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Pro, there's instructions on your member page.
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It's still gonna be a while 'cause the app is still kinda rough.
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Uh but boy am I adding lots of features and calling lots of private
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I'm very happy for you.
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Honestly, this uh I I know this I know you know there's some downsides
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to not being in the Mac app store, but I think for the kind
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of apps that you make, I think it is good for you to get
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set up outside of there because you can do so much good without sandboxing
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and without, you know, being banned from using private APIs and stuff like that.
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I I think I think it makes sense for John Syracusa to have direct
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sales of apps that do deep system things.
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Get getting the first one for sale outside the Mac app store is so
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much harder than the second one.
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Yeah, of course.
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Like everything has to be done for the first one.
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And by the way, I tried Paddle and Paddle was like talk to the
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Paddle's like Paddle's like, show me your product page and your your refund policy
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and your terms of service.
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I'm like, I don't have a product page, my product isn't yet.
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And they're like, no, we're not gonna talk to you.
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Like their onboarding process was so hostile.
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I was like, Okay, well then fine.
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Like they they made it seem like you already had to have a product
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for sale to get a product for sale with paddle.
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And I'm like, well, this is chicken egg.
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Like, I don't understand bootstrap this.
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And they just kept rejecting me and sending me through this thing and it's
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like, sorry, we looked at your website and there's no product there.
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I'm like well, of course there's no product there, it's not released yet.
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I tried to putting up a fake page, like, this is what the product
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will be like, and they're like, nope, sorry.
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So anyway, Fast Spring was great.
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I recommend it.
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Uh Revenue Cat plus Stripe, uh, if you're familiar with those things.
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Revenue Cat is is more modern and nicer than Fast Spring was, and Stripe
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is Stripe, but I'm just happening to be familiar with it.
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So yeah, I'll I'll end I'll embark on that terrifying part when I finally
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get to the point where I think I have an app that is close
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to finished.
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But right now I'm still in the development part where I'm using private APIs,
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there are certain things that just don't work on the Mac.
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terrifying like the most recent one was like, you know how you can label
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folders and they they turn colored, right?
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And also in like twenty six and twenty seven you can put little symbols
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Do you any use those features in the Finder?
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I don't, but I know what you're talking about.
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But anyway, you can do that.
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Uh and if you have private APIs, you can figure out like what they're
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supposed to look like, which by the way, the Mac OS doc does not
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If you put a labeled uh folder into the doc on uh macOS 26
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or 27, the doc doesn't care what the hell your label was, it will
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not show it.
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One of the reasons they don't is because there's no API to show it.
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Ah, but there's APIs, fine.
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So I get get the private APIs to do that.
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But there is a bug where if you have a folder in iCloud Drive
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and you label it as like red, about a half a second later it
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changes back to gray.
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Uh unconditionally.
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No matter what what color you set it to, you set it to red,
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changes to gray.
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Uh and you're like, okay, but how does the finder not show it is
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Because the metadata is gray.
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It says gray.
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But the finder doesn't well it turns out the finder has its own database
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off to the sides that remembers it's supposed to be yellow.
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Like what the like how does that stand for two releases?
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Like how like how does any you once you start using private A APIs,
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you're like, how does anything work in this operating system?
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First of all, you realize where they're private, and second of all, that's no
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way to run an OS.
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Okay, well we we have a bug where the metadata on the folder will
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always be gray, but we want the finder to show it as yellow because
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the user selected as yellow.
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So finder, have an off-to-the-side database where you keep track of which folder is
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supposed to yellow, even though the folder totally says gray.
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And when you look at the folder.
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Oh, and by the way, if you turn off network access, if you unplug
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your LAN cable, so one of my testers found this out, it stays yellow.
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But as soon as you connect to the network again, gray.
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Anyway, that's what I've been doing.