00:00:00 ◼ ► from relay this is upgrade episode 605 and it is a draft day today's episode is brought to you by
00:00:15 ◼ ► century fitbod square space and factor my name is mike hurley and i'm joined by jason snow hi jason
00:00:21 ◼ ► bring in the marching band i love it you love to hear the marching band it is that time i have a
00:00:26 ◼ ► snell talk question for you though because we have usual business to get to before the draft today
00:00:31 ◼ ► this question comes from matthew and it is one of the rare snell talk follow-up questions oh boy
00:00:37 ◼ ► following up to jim's that's what it stands for right yes stfu snell talk follow-up stfu it doesn't
00:00:45 ◼ ► mean anything else no uh matthew says follow-up to jim's jim's pb and jelly question what kind of
00:00:58 ◼ ► acceptable kinds or what about jams okay first off this is not robot or not we're not going to talk
00:01:04 ◼ ► about what is acceptable that is a different podcast i will tell you what i have for my pb and j
00:01:15 ◼ ► um and i will also sometimes get strawberry preserves uh i put links in the show notes to
00:01:22 ◼ ► the ones i buy yep in america uh bon mama uh but there are many others i prefer the preserves to
00:01:29 ◼ ► the jelly i i when it gets too much of that jelly consistency um where it feels like a you know it's
00:01:36 ◼ ► it's on its way to being what the british call a jelly which we would call jello when it's like
00:01:41 ◼ ► super gelatin-y and all that i and and chunky and it holds together i don't actually want that i just
00:01:48 ◼ ► want kind of fruit goo so that's when i said purple goo i actually meant uh blackberry essentially what
00:01:53 ◼ ► you were having is is more like jam what i would call jam yeah yeah and there is a technical reason
00:02:03 ◼ ► so blackberry and strawberry are my preferred flavors so there you go go forth and make pb and j's
00:02:17 ◼ ► thank you so much to matthew for that stfu uh if you would like to send in your own snow talk question
00:02:24 ◼ ► for us to open a future episode of the show or follow up uh you can always go to upgradefeedback.com
00:02:30 ◼ ► and send it in of course we do have other follow-up uh so as foretold kieran healy has performed a
00:02:38 ◼ ► statistical analysis of the six colors report card um is there anything in here that jumped out at you
00:02:44 ◼ ► that people should go take a look at i just you know it's fun when he does the charts you he's trying
00:02:49 ◼ ► to visualize that data in a certain way i give kieran access to the numerical data what i found
00:02:53 ◼ ► funny this time is he actually he did a little of that that mostly he threw it away and went to the
00:02:59 ◼ ► verbatim responses that people did and did a bunch of sentiment analysis look this is kieran having fun
00:03:04 ◼ ► following his muse kieran does this because he wants to it he started he was like jason i looked at this
00:03:11 ◼ ► and and i have interesting thoughts and i was like i'll send you all my data and now for years he's sort
00:03:16 ◼ ► been doing this and it's just fun kieran for those who don't know is a professor of statistics at or
00:03:22 ◼ ► sociology he's a statistics expert he's a professor of sociology at duke university uh has written
00:03:26 ◼ ► multiple books about charts and things and like friend of the show absolute bankable friend of the show
00:03:33 ◼ ► um but i love this because he was like what if we do some sentiment analysis based on the words he used
00:03:38 ◼ ► using a couple different techniques in the words people wrote not the numbers they gave um and i thought
00:03:44 ◼ ► that was interesting he also has a few funny asides where he talks about like the panel is big enough
00:03:48 ◼ ► that you can kind of like get a clue but it's not so big that you can take as much from it as maybe you
00:03:53 ◼ ► otherwise could but um he did try to pin down if people who were really really down on apple's world
00:04:01 ◼ ► impact score were also down on sort of everything else apple was doing uh which was like a theory we had
00:04:08 ◼ ► that he heard us talk about last week and you know he said you know you be the judge but it looks to me
00:04:14 ◼ ► like probably that is the answer but um anyway it's a fun it's a fun post with lots of charts and if you'd
00:04:20 ◼ ► like uh i i just think it's fun to to have somebody who is so knowledgeable about this stuff um take a spin
00:04:28 ◼ ► through the data and just see what jumps out at him i i like i like peering inside kieran healy's
00:04:33 ◼ ► brain for a minute just a minute so yeah it's great you also answered for your rascally nature
00:04:40 ◼ ► on this week's episode of the talk show i did i did john john grouper wrote a post last week saying
00:04:45 ◼ ► he was listening to upgrade and he got to the part where i was a rascal and i gave the mac five out
00:04:49 ◼ ► five out of five and defended tahoe and he wanted to strangle me yeah and since i'm going to see john
00:04:54 ◼ ► this week at the apple experience in new york we decided to do an episode of the talk show
00:04:58 ◼ ► um to to bury the hatchet and uh he he doesn't want to strangle me anymore so that's that's good news
00:05:06 ◼ ► that's good i got to explain myself and explain that really my act of rascaliness was the difference
00:05:11 ◼ ► between giving it four and giving it five i i do believe um you know i think there's a lot of tahoe
00:05:18 ◼ ► that is of a benefit and the stuff that's wrong with it i don't disagree that it's wrong i just
00:05:23 ◼ ► it's it's not enough for me to not use it you know so so i tried to explain that a little bit more
00:05:30 ◼ ► um john obviously disagrees but that's fine i mean i i think we disagree less than you would think
00:05:35 ◼ ► and and yeah me being a a little little stinker like uh stewart wellington on the flop house sometimes
00:05:40 ◼ ► being a rascal is more about when when i said five instead of four right because there's the fun
00:05:45 ◼ ► measured simple like oh it's four you know there are issues but and i gave it a five mostly because
00:05:50 ◼ ► i was like i mean i believe it but maybe maybe that was a bold statement anyway um it was it was a good
00:06:00 ◼ ► good chat um it's not three and a half hours long so people can check it out listen before the apple
00:06:12 ◼ ► and and no baseball talk so hooray good that's why it's only two hours and 15 minutes long right no
00:06:18 ◼ ► baseball or keyboards or anything we kind of stuck to the topic and i feel like we did a really nice
00:06:23 ◼ ► thread uh narrative thread through it a lot of the stuff was connected about sort of like what's going
00:06:27 ◼ ► on at apple and what's right and what's wrong about it um i did get some unhinged feedback from it that
00:06:32 ◼ ► where i i complained about the iwork apps not fitting in the in the uh in the creator's studio
00:06:37 ◼ ► and somebody decided that that meant i said that writing is not a creative act i guess because of
00:06:43 ◼ ► pages which first off i don't even view pages as a writing app i guess you write in it i i view it as
00:06:48 ◼ ► like a thing you use for like invoices and cat lost posters it's i don't really think it's a tool that
00:06:55 ◼ ► a lot of people that will call themselves writers would use i don't know any professional writers
00:07:01 ◼ ► who say pages is my is my main axe i just i just don't anyway that person was kind of unhinged and
00:07:08 ◼ ► uh i replied to them and they replied back with something even more unhinged and then i blocked
00:07:12 ◼ ► them so that person is gone you know you can't no i mean if that person look bottom line um that person
00:07:19 ◼ ► i think was just trying to defend apple from me daring to suggest that what apple did was bad
00:07:25 ◼ ► i did find it funny that he he said i can't believe you said to john gruber a professional
00:07:29 ◼ ► writer who's been writing all day for uh for for 20 years that writing is not creative well first off
00:07:36 ◼ ► i am also a professional writer second off personal writers don't write all day i'm sorry what whatever
00:07:43 ◼ ► you think it's not we're not sitting in pages pushing characters into the cursor on pages every day
00:07:48 ◼ ► but um so that it was it's like what are you talking about this is my this is my profession who do you
00:07:54 ◼ ► who do you think i am but this guy um took a shot at me for getting a he was like ironically you got a
00:08:00 ◼ ► journalism degree uh which says a lot to me because it says that he has no idea who i am
00:08:05 ◼ ► and looked at my wikipedia page so that he could throw some shade at me uh because it does mention
00:08:10 ◼ ► where i got a master's degree in my wikipedia page so well done anyway um but i think we had a great
00:08:17 ◼ ► conversation that threaded user experience issues with tahoe and uh the the i work apps discussion
00:08:26 ◼ ► and sort of like all of these issues being kind of like fundamental to what's facing apple right now
00:08:32 ◼ ► in terms of problems with the quality of what they're doing also i have a little follow-up of my own
00:08:38 ◼ ► which is i said on the talk show and i i think on upgrade i've been talking about people i know who
00:08:45 ◼ ► have refused to upgrade to tahoe and i keep mentioning john gruber and i keep mentioning marco
00:08:52 ◼ ► armand and i got i got a correction because marco and i knew this going into the talk show but i didn't
00:08:58 ◼ ► say it because it was too complicated so i'm going to say it here which is i know marco finally updated
00:09:03 ◼ ► to tahoe because he had issues with development and he needed to upgrade to tahoe um but i did
00:09:08 ◼ ► also get some important feedback from john siracusa that i'm leaving him out because john siracusa
00:09:12 ◼ ► also refuses to update to tahoe and so i want that out there i want it on the record john siracusa also
00:09:18 ◼ ► not on tahoe i wonder who gave you that feedback uh john siracusa no i know so so i i meant i should
00:09:25 ◼ ► have mentioned him as a laggard i thought that the fact that he's still using an intel mac would
00:09:29 ◼ ► strongly imply that like there are so many things that he's not doing but he is also not updating to
00:09:35 ◼ ► tahoe i i regret the omission john siracusa i mean i just had to check i mean i wasn't sure and yes the
00:09:42 ◼ ► mac pro is still um compatible the 2019 mac yeah oh yeah yeah yeah congratulations to john yeah it is
00:09:56 ◼ ► tahoe did he give a reason why to you did he want to state it on the record no but i i not to put words
00:10:04 ◼ ► in his mouth but my guess is the reasons are apparent and actually you can read what he wrote about tahoe
00:10:09 ◼ ► in the report card and it's very clear what his reasons are he said it's the worst that's the short
00:10:14 ◼ ► version of it he said it's the worst literally does he the worst so i assume he's using it somewhere
00:10:19 ◼ ► then yeah he's he's probably stuck at some i think he's got it on like an external drive he can boot to
00:10:25 ◼ ► right right like in a thing a thing that if anything it angers him in any way he can just take that thing
00:10:31 ◼ ► and set it on fire and throw it out his window that kind of thing uh apple have announced that the
00:10:36 ◼ ► mac mini will soon be produced at a new facility in houston uh talking about the mac pro i mean
00:10:47 ◼ ► as the american made computer uh they're now moving the mac mini there they're also looking to build
00:10:53 ◼ ► ai servers uh at this houston facility too so that's not quite right they are building ai servers sorry
00:10:59 ◼ ► continuing to next generation that's that's where they started with this factory was building servers for
00:11:04 ◼ ► private cloud compute um and there's a video in the wall street journal that actually shows
00:11:08 ◼ ► some of that going on um where you can uh the atp guys actually did this where they're like
00:11:14 ◼ ► freeze framing it and like well what's in there like is it is that is that multiple processors what's
00:11:19 ◼ ► happening there uh but they're going to build a mac mini there as well as other places this is to be
00:11:23 ◼ ► clear they're not building uh all the mac minis there it's just going to be they will build some mac
00:11:28 ◼ ► minis there and and and make them available in the in the local markets or in the region which means
00:11:33 ◼ ► they'll make enough for the u.s maybe or for the u.s and the rest of north america we'll we'll see what
00:11:39 ◼ ► what that is but that allows them to say look at us we're making um we're making consumer products in
00:11:46 ◼ ► america not just these servers that we're making and they did that of course the day of the state of the union
00:11:52 ◼ ► because it was intended to be a you know kind of a political statement about bringing um manufacturing
00:12:01 ◼ ► capacity back to the u.s which is part of the narrative yeah that is going on out there well i
00:12:05 ◼ ► was we said this before and i'll just say again this is the thing that apple does with every
00:12:09 ◼ ► administration this is not a trump administration thing well i would say i would say the first trump
00:12:15 ◼ ► administration put this on the table and so they also did it with the biden administration but i'm
00:12:20 ◼ ► not sure it was on anybody's radar as much in the obama administration i i feel like this is more
00:12:26 ◼ ► of a well i think yeah the obama administration if i remember correctly this was the whole thing
00:12:31 ◼ ► where steve jobs said to obama i can't do this i can't make an iphone i think is what he said yeah
00:12:37 ◼ ► how about a map uh anyway yeah so it is a look and i will just say i think trying given given the
00:12:49 ◼ ► so much of apple's stuff is based in china and we know that that means that if there's a rupture
00:12:55 ◼ ► apple's going to have a hard time making stuff and given that the chips are made in taiwan and if
00:12:59 ◼ ► if china attacks taiwan apple's going to have a hard time getting chips and the world is going to have a
00:13:04 ◼ ► hard time getting chips um there are two responses you can make to that one is well oh i hope it doesn't
00:13:11 ◼ ► happen and because we can't make them now so we just should not try and wait the other thing is to say
00:13:19 ◼ ► okay maybe we can't get there today or even in the next five years but if we want to ever have
00:13:28 ◼ ► alternatives to china alternatives to taiwan we you know the best what's the line the the best time to
00:13:38 ◼ ► do it was 10 years ago and the next best time is today that's where they are and so i think it's i
00:13:43 ◼ ► think it's not bad at all to see apple supporting tsmc building chips and in phoenix and apple itself
00:13:49 ◼ ► building some computers in houston as well as doing kind of like a manufacturing academy there
00:13:54 ◼ ► in addition to the thing that they're doing in detroit like it may be for i mean it is not not for show it is
00:14:02 ◼ ► not not for politics and to point at and say look at us investing in america it is that but if if you were
00:14:10 ◼ ► ever to get to a state where you could hedge against the loss of china or taiwan you gotta
00:14:17 ◼ ► start somewhere and so i i i think that this is not a bad thing for them to do i think i mean i've i've
00:14:24 ◼ ► said it on the show a bunch of times i think it's a good idea and just in general i was like well
00:14:28 ◼ ► you should have a diversification in your production like you just should if you can you should like what
00:14:35 ◼ ► as you say because if something if something terrible happens apple is screwed right like
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00:16:32 ◼ ► so you got the opportunity to have uh i'm assuming it's a briefing with friend of the show eddie q
00:16:40 ◼ ► uh about f1 coming to apple tv so this was the we were talking about this last week my expectation
00:16:46 ◼ ► was as you was as yours was too we would get some information uh before the season begins this
00:16:53 ◼ ► weekend well like technically coverage begins i think on thursday um for the the first practice
00:17:01 ◼ ► sessions of the 2026 f1 season and so it will be live and on apple tv i'm gonna give a breakdown of
00:17:10 ◼ ► a couple of technical things so apple will have 4k hdr with 5.1 audio and the video will be quote
00:17:16 ◼ ► less compressed yeah i'm fascinated to see what that ends up looking like so yeah let me explain this so
00:17:22 ◼ ► the mls and majorly baseball coverage that apple has done people have praised and i have praised
00:17:29 ◼ ► certainly for how good it looks it looks better than the other stuff we see and one of the reasons is
00:17:37 ◼ ► a lot of the stuff we see is coming through a workflow that is involved with uh with like a cable
00:17:50 ◼ ► and i don't know where in the workflow this stuff happens but the argument here is that it gets really
00:17:57 ◼ ► compressed in order to save bandwidth and then if you have a cable or satellite provider
00:18:08 ◼ ► i discovered that a lot of hd signals on my cable box were not or my direct tv satellite
00:18:17 ◼ ► were not at full resolution they were down resing them in order to save on bandwidth which is just
00:18:23 ◼ ► like so it's hd but it's not the hd that it was it's less um and and there's there's pipeline issues
00:18:30 ◼ ► with all of that one of the things that apple says that they've done is it's in addition to hdr which
00:18:37 ◼ ► uh really helps the colors and all that is and eddie q called it out it's less compressed one of the
00:18:43 ◼ ► things that apple has tried to do in order to boost image quality is they use higher bit rates
00:18:49 ◼ ► uh and do less compression and because they're just doing it for apple tv and not to go through espn
00:18:58 ◼ ► on a cable system they're able to get higher quality results so the all of that stuff is is 1080 that 1080p
00:19:07 ◼ ► um so this is 4k uh which which is new i think that's because you know formula one has invested in
00:19:17 ◼ ► in 4k hdr cameras i think part of it is that there aren't like stadiums like there are with mls and
00:19:25 ◼ ► major league baseball where you have to have they don't bring the cameras in for every game and then
00:19:31 ◼ ► take them out and go to the next city that's not what they do they use the cameras that are there
00:19:35 ◼ ► formula one i think they bring their cameras with them i think they probably got a few sets of cameras
00:19:40 ◼ ► and they set them up a few weeks in advance but they've got like they've they've got the ability
00:19:45 ◼ ► my guess i don't know this for sure to um to control what is capturing and they are apparently 4k
00:19:53 ◼ ► hdr and with surround sound and that's not necessarily new but on top of that apple's going
00:19:59 ◼ ► to do their thing where they compress it a lot less so uh basically they're saying it's going to
00:20:03 ◼ ► look great and i believe them because the major league baseball stuff looks great yeah yeah it's
00:20:06 ◼ ► interesting so um i use sky here i ever spoke about before and uh i have ultra hd so it is in
00:20:13 ◼ ► theory 4k hdr with surround sound but i've never really thought that f1 looks that good
00:20:21 ◼ ► um even like it looks better than the hd service that i was getting before on a different streaming
00:20:26 ◼ ► service and are you using cable or satellite or satellite but it's actually streaming um okay so
00:20:32 ◼ ► let me rephrase that sky is a satellite service which you can get via satellite but we do just streaming
00:20:38 ◼ ► with them we have sky stream um so i it's going to be interesting to me to i don't know how i'll see
00:20:44 ◼ ► it at some point but at some point i will get to see uh how this looks like and i'll be in it would be
00:20:51 ◼ ► very interesting to see exactly how they compare um we got you've got some more information about the
00:20:56 ◼ ► multi-view so they have up to four feeds uh you can choose what video feeds you want there are driver
00:21:01 ◼ ► feeds there are tons of cameras available like the onboards and stuff right there's p1 p2 p3 which is a
00:21:07 ◼ ► a fun idea and i think that's new where those those channels are presets for who's in first second
00:21:12 ◼ ► and third place so you could set up a multi-view where where the the leaders are on the side and
00:21:18 ◼ ► then the main broadcast is in the middle and they've got lots of these yeah presets where
00:21:21 ◼ ► you know not everybody is a quad box uh sicko like me and and so you can just say show me that
00:21:37 ◼ ► the main broadcast on and the two red bull red bull drivers cameras on um and then the nice thing about
00:21:44 ◼ ► it that i i realized is at least on apple tv these may be presets that are pre-built on some of the
00:21:50 ◼ ► streaming platforms apple supports that don't have much horsepower that's my guess right that's what
00:21:56 ◼ ► youtube tv does is their multi-view is a bunch of pre-baked multi-views that they put together
00:22:02 ◼ ► but on apple tv um it's just a multi-view so if you then want to edit it and take one of
00:22:09 ◼ ► those drivers out or whatever you can do that because it's just it's just a preset for the
00:22:14 ◼ ► multi-view setting it's not like a baked in on apple tv so it looks really good um and then and
00:22:20 ◼ ► then they have a vision pro people were wondering what the vision pro strategy is right now the vision
00:22:25 ◼ ► pro strategy is uh you can do up to five on wow yeah well that's so immersive because they've got
00:22:31 ◼ ► one of their channels is like a track view that's the thing where they need to get there where they've
00:22:35 ◼ ► got a 3d track view channel that just shows up on vision pro but they haven't done it it is very
00:22:40 ◼ ► funny that that is the the difference it's like i guess it's like what they can put it above where
00:22:45 ◼ ► the screen would be yeah but you know and they could be virtually bigger and all that but you know
00:22:49 ◼ ► what that means is that on vision pro you get penta box which is exciting so yeah uh english and
00:22:55 ◼ ► spanish audio will be available the f1 tv announce crew is going to be the primary announcers sky sports
00:23:02 ◼ ► feed will actually still be an option you can listen to sky sports it's it's a it's so it's a separate
00:23:06 ◼ ► video feed but you can still add all the multi-views i asked about that so if you are a sky sports
00:23:12 ◼ ► partisan you can watch the sky sports and still and and add in all the driver cams and do all that and
00:23:18 ◼ ► this is all just in the tv app but this is the long-term follow-up to my prediction that apple
00:23:22 ◼ ► would not have their own announcement team yeah they do you got it you nailed it they're they're
00:23:26 ◼ ► going to use f1 as their partner for all of that and then sky is the alternate so so if you because
00:23:32 ◼ ► sky was on espn right so like people who are used to the the sky sports on espn in the us will
00:23:39 ◼ ► still be able to get it yeah um or they can get by by default it will be the f1 tv crew i'm so pleased
00:23:45 ◼ ► that they've given that option like because it allows for people because it allows for choice
00:23:50 ◼ ► um i think it would have like i you know i like i mean i like the announce the sky sports announcers
00:23:55 ◼ ► the sky sports announcers are very polarizing amongst f1 fans but people who watch on espn will
00:24:03 ◼ ► be used to them and you know if you don't want to switch away from that you can listen to it but you
00:24:08 ◼ ► will get all of the weirdness that would be from listening to a sky sports announcement team which
00:24:12 ◼ ► is talking about what is on sky sports right now yeah yeah and that's why that's one of the reasons
00:24:17 ◼ ► you label it the way you do i mean obviously they got they knew that this was going to be there and um
00:24:23 ◼ ► and that f1 you know buying the f1 rights gives you the rights to all of that too like obviously
00:24:28 ◼ ► the rights to sky sports feed as well as the f1 tv feed and this is how they've chosen to do that so
00:24:33 ◼ ► i i should say um i saw this explained or heard this explained somewhere else and i'll just mention it
00:24:39 ◼ ► here um people who watch f1 know this but like there is no there is no apple set of cameras there's a
00:24:49 ◼ ► there's a feed of the cameras that gets used by f1 tv and it gets used by sky sports and it gets used by
00:24:57 ◼ ► every f1 broadcaster in every market regardless of their language the cameras are the cameras because
00:25:05 ◼ ► you're not going to have a thousand cameras at an f1 race and that also includes the what is on the
00:25:11 ◼ ► screen yes it's not decided by any individual company f1 decide what is shown except you can have
00:25:22 ◼ ► in some circumstances your camera there but what you're doing is you're cutting your camera
00:25:29 ◼ ► in over what you're being given by f1 in order to do a little localization of a trackside reporter or
00:25:37 ◼ ► whatever exactly so this is i bring this up because i want to say there's a better example of this which
00:25:42 ◼ ► is the olympics which everybody just saw the olympics has an international broadcast center there's one feed
00:25:48 ◼ ► for the olympics those cameras are from the olympics they're for everybody same exact same deal
00:25:54 ◼ ► they're the your brought local broadcaster may have a camera there like i watched a lot of curling
00:25:59 ◼ ► they had a uh a rink side reporter in the curling venue and she was sometimes just audio and she was
00:26:06 ◼ ► sometimes on camera but when she was on camera they would usually put up a double box with what was
00:26:11 ◼ ► going on and that's literally nbc taking the international broadcast feed on the left and their
00:26:17 ◼ ► camera that they've got their one camera uh on in cortina on the right and then and then you know
00:26:24 ◼ ► doing that and then cutting back because so you can cut you can localize it a little bit but for
00:26:28 ◼ ► the most part you're going to be using the international feed and that's exactly what uh f1 does as well so
00:26:33 ◼ ► it's not it's it's a world cup is like that like when you've got these enormous events international
00:26:39 ◼ ► events you can't have every broadcaster doing their own thing so instead you know there's some
00:26:46 ◼ ► localization around the edges but the primary thing actually i see this in premier league broadcast too
00:26:51 ◼ ► where like the announcers don't get to control when the replay is showed so they'll sometimes be
00:26:56 ◼ ► talking about something and they won't be on the tv because the director of the broadcast is not
00:27:02 ◼ ► listening to the nbc announcers right if they're listening to anybody they're listening to the the
00:27:06 ◼ ► local announcer and they may not even be listening to them and similarly like as we spoke about before
00:27:13 ◼ ► like apple will not have any control over the graphics that are showing like the timing graphics and all that
00:27:20 ◼ ► kind of stuff they can add their own things on top but that is also also set by uh f1 yeah some of
00:27:26 ◼ ► that some of that there's possibly that some of that gets put out as a graphicless feed because you have
00:27:31 ◼ ► to have the you have to localize it into different languages but i think a lot of it is just is is
00:27:36 ◼ ► stuff that they have the data they're the one generating the graphics you use their graphics and
00:27:40 ◼ ► and again exactly like the olympics if you if you notice like all the olympics graphics are the same
00:27:45 ◼ ► world cup all of those are the same i i remember uh during during the world cup uh recently there was
00:27:52 ◼ ► a uh somebody took a picture of what was on their broadcast screen in some other country and it's
00:27:56 ◼ ► like oh it's exactly the same because they might put a little little logo up or something like that but
00:28:04 ◼ ► but the thing that nobody saw coming and similarly that eddie q says we're excited today to announce
00:28:11 ◼ ► something i think no one was expecting is that apple have done a deal with netflix to bring season
00:28:17 ◼ ► eight of drive to survive simultaneously to apple tv it's available now it came out on friday
00:28:23 ◼ ► yeah um and in return netflix will be getting co-streaming rights to the canadian grand prix
00:28:29 ◼ ► in may my expectation is why the well my thought was why the canadian grand prix it's the first
00:28:35 ◼ ► north american grand prix that happens in the calendar two reasons um a lot of people are like well it's
00:28:41 ◼ ► also indy 500 weekend i mean maybe but but it's in north america and more important than in north
00:28:45 ◼ ► america it's at a time that people in the united states can watch it live that's what i meant right
00:28:51 ◼ ► yeah um because so much of this they did say that they're going to try very hard not to have any
00:28:55 ◼ ► spoilers um because invisible in the interface because they know that as a u.s provider there
00:29:03 ◼ ► are going to be a lot of people watching it delayed and i'm really looking forward to seeing how multiview
00:29:07 ◼ ► and everything else works where everything is on demand and delayed but um i'm sure it'll work great
00:29:13 ◼ ► and and that's really smart and i told this to you and you said yeah there were a lot of issues with
00:29:18 ◼ ► that with f1 tv where they were like putting up a big hero image of who won the race when you were
00:29:23 ◼ ► just trying to watch it yeah well you'd open like that the f1 app and all that kind of stuff and and
00:29:28 ◼ ► and it's a bit of a night and he said they're going to try very hard to not do any spoiling of what
00:29:32 ◼ ► happens in the race because they know as the u.s rights holder that so many of these races are going
00:29:37 ◼ ► to be done in the middle of the night and people are going to watch them the next day but yeah the
00:29:40 ◼ ► netflix deal i mean no it's true nobody saw this coming but it makes a lot of sense right because who are
00:29:45 ◼ ► the two brands that have the biggest connections to formula one it's apple and netflix because
00:29:52 ◼ ► netflix has drive to drive to survive in the u.s right and so this is a u.s deal um and it to me it's a
00:30:00 ◼ ► total um no-brainer as a quid pro quo right which is like netflix will give you drive to survive it's
00:30:06 ◼ ► just season eight if you want to go back you got to go to netflix in return netflix which loves to
00:30:11 ◼ ► experiment with live events gets to try out a grand prix and and see how that goes and it's
00:30:17 ◼ ► not exclusive but it does mean that if you're a if you're just an apple tv person we talked about this
00:30:22 ◼ ► last week just an apple tv person maybe you don't have netflix you've never seen drive to survive and
00:30:27 ◼ ► you said one of the great ways to prep for getting into formula one is to watch drive to survive well
00:30:32 ◼ ► the entire it's really like previously on formula one because it's the doc series about last year's
00:30:38 ◼ ► formula one season and now it's available to everybody who has apple tv in the u.s who's going
00:30:43 ◼ ► to be able to use apple tv to watch formula one what a great idea and then netflix gets to see what
00:30:49 ◼ ► who is watching uh a formula one race on netflix which i think will give them some interesting
00:30:55 ◼ ► data it might be data in the long run apple wish they wouldn't have given them i don't know
00:31:01 ◼ ► i mean that's business that's business um i i think i think it's interesting i did in my story put the
00:31:07 ◼ ► obligatory parenthetical statement of hey uh since we're all friends now yeah how about a bigger deal
00:31:14 ◼ ► that allows uh apple's interface to include netflix content because that would be uh really nice for
00:31:20 ◼ ► those of us who use the apple tv i can't even imagine the reaction at netflix when apple made
00:31:25 ◼ ► that call i'll be like what excuse me i wonder i mean we don't know who called who my guess is that
00:31:33 ◼ ► no no no no my guess is that formula one said let me put you two together maybe maybe so maybe i think
00:31:42 ◼ ► that i think that i think formula one was like this makes too much sense you've got the doc series you've
00:31:47 ◼ ► got you're the rights holder in the u.s can you two talk and like so i don't think it was necessarily
00:31:52 ◼ ► eddie calling ted sarandos i think maybe it was mr you know formula formula the first calling uh saying
00:32:00 ◼ ► can can i get ted and eddie together to talk about this uh apple is also doing a deal with tubi for what
00:32:07 ◼ ► is called quote exclusive alt casts for multiple races um so there will be a selection of races that will
00:32:14 ◼ ► be shown on this is a like a ad supported streaming service right to be it's free it's owned by fox
00:32:22 ◼ ► it's a free ad supported streaming service it's very popular it's actually one of the more popular
00:32:26 ◼ ► streaming services around and it's completely free so they're gonna do an alt cast and you said there's
00:32:30 ◼ ► there's an existing like f1 kids alt cast this my prediction is that this will be f1 kids so this
00:32:35 ◼ ► has been a thing that's been going for the last couple of years where they are focused around
00:32:40 ◼ ► kids so there's a lot of like um animated characters of the the drivers and they do special effects and
00:32:47 ◼ ► they actually have um announcers and also some of the announcers are children so yeah this is actually
00:32:53 ◼ ► what cbs has been doing with nfl broadcasts with nickelodeon um where you know somebody scores a
00:32:59 ◼ ► touchdown and slime comes out uh and it's all overlaid and they've also done like animated stuff
00:33:04 ◼ ► where uh or was or was it fox that did that where they've done like animated characters so it's like
00:33:09 ◼ ► a video game where they're doing motion capture data and then putting it on toy story or uh the
00:33:15 ◼ ► simpsons so i guess that would be disney so that's probably monday night football alt cast so um so yeah
00:33:21 ◼ ► there's a lot of um i love it this is an example of apple saying well we're the rights holder but we
00:33:26 ◼ ► want this to be maybe a little bit bigger like just because they're the rights holder doesn't mean they
00:33:31 ◼ ► have to hoard it all they want to have some of it out there and to be deal is really smart both of
00:33:35 ◼ ► these things the to be thing and the netflix things is audience capture for f1 and apple has the audience
00:33:40 ◼ ► to exactly you know they have the capture mechanism they have the content uh and to be is to be is
00:33:45 ◼ ► popular and free and i i am surprised there aren't more sports experiments happening on free
00:33:49 ◼ ► ad supported tv because that's a big audience and you are generating audience and generating ad revenue
00:33:59 ◼ ► and it kind of makes sense so also i'm a huge fan of alt casts i think having giving people different
00:34:04 ◼ ► ways to watch live sporting events is a great idea because everybody has different expectations and
00:34:11 ◼ ► different experiences and you can find this is why i like so monday night football um has the alt cast
00:34:16 ◼ ► that's the manning cast which is peyton and eli manning and it's basically they're doing a podcast
00:34:21 ◼ ► um while the game is going on and they'll talk about what's going on in the game but they'll also get
00:34:25 ◼ ► guests on and they'll talk about that my favorite thing about it is it's two successful nfl quarterbacks
00:34:31 ◼ ► with their perspective about what's happening on the field and they have insight that um is sometimes
00:34:38 ◼ ► really interesting and then sometimes they'll bring on players who also have insight other times they
00:34:42 ◼ ► bring on celebrities and i i usually flip back to the regular cast at that point but um because it turns
00:34:48 ◼ ► into like more of a podcast and and uh espn used to do that with major league baseball where they had
00:34:52 ◼ ► like a stat cast and it was basically like the stats nerds version which is right up my alley so i love
00:34:58 ◼ ► if you're a live sports rights holder playing with alt cast is a great idea so i love it
00:35:04 ◼ ► so the draft is coming shortly in this episode but something happened that we thought would happen but i
00:35:13 ◼ ► don't think it happened exactly the way that we thought it would so we do have the first of apple's press
00:35:18 ◼ ► releases have come out today announcing both the iphone 17e and the new ipad air so yeah if there
00:35:27 ◼ ► is another ipad announcement to come for some reason they have split them um they have which is i mean i
00:35:33 ◼ ► i guess the the logic would have dictated 17e today ipads maybe a max tomorrow and then the macbook
00:35:41 ◼ ► on wednesday with the because wednesday is the experience day right when there's experience yeah i thought it
00:35:47 ◼ ► would be 17e today ipad ipads tomorrow and max on wednesday but now i don't know at all like now it's all
00:35:55 ◼ ► out the window it could be it could be all of them tomorrow all the rest of them it could be
00:36:02 ◼ ► some of them tomorrow and some of them wednesday i i anything is possible now so they're mixing it up
00:36:08 ◼ ► they put all the products in a blender um so so we don't even know what's to come but this takes all of
00:36:14 ◼ ► our ipad air and 17e picks off the board obviously because those products are out now or at least announced
00:36:19 ◼ ► now available at the end of next week pre-orders will open on i think wednesday interesting right
00:36:24 ◼ ► oh wednesday you say because they don't want to update the store three times yeah so yeah here we
00:36:29 ◼ ► are so so new 17e which is you know remember when the se came out every like five years and when they
00:36:37 ◼ ► when they released the 16e we said putting a number on it is an interesting choice right does it imply
00:36:43 ◼ ► that they're just going to increment that every year and i think it it turns out it did
00:36:48 ◼ ► and i think given what we have heard from mark german this time next year they'll do a phone
00:36:54 ◼ ► event probably that will be the 18e as well as the 18 because they're going to split iphone releases
00:37:01 ◼ ► and this is essentially the laying the groundwork for that but i think i and i think this is going to
00:37:08 ◼ ► happen with a lot of apple's products now is apple's making their own silicon it's fairly easy to turn
00:37:12 ◼ ► over a product easy being a relative term but turn over a product to put a new some new apple
00:37:18 ◼ ► design chips in it maybe every year if you're not redesigning it especially i think if you're
00:37:23 ◼ ► designing it with the thought that next year we'll just iterate on this a little tiny bit
00:37:27 ◼ ► and that seems to be what they did here is it's got a19 it's got the c1x modem last year it had
00:37:32 ◼ ► the c1 it was the first product to have an apple modem in it um but it's now the one that was in the
00:37:38 ◼ ► phones uh otherwise it's not like super change they put the magnets in finally i think this is a pretty
00:37:46 ◼ ► decent update but i just want to mention real quick this is pointed out by zoe and that is good uh this
00:37:51 ◼ ► phone goes on sale on wednesday at 6 15 a.m pacific time i think yeah leading more to there will be some
00:38:00 ◼ ► kind of video on wednesday yeah they're gonna drop the yeah and they're gonna update the store one
00:38:05 ◼ ► time yes so it'll be at the end of a of a video that's what i think yeah i think that's probably
00:38:10 ◼ ► it a video that i'll watch in new york i would say this is for the iphone 17e is a pretty decent
00:38:16 ◼ ► update it didn't get everything you could have potentially wanted like the notch is there instead
00:38:21 ◼ ► the uh the dynamic island but you've got an a19 great you got you got the c1x modem so it's got
00:38:29 ◼ ► the faster modem which they say is a lot faster yeah yeah ceramic shield and probably more and more
00:38:33 ◼ ► power efficient you'd assume as well but they've got ceramic shields that are tougher glass on the
00:38:37 ◼ ► front and mag safe which it should have definitely had from the beginning for sure got a pink now as
00:38:41 ◼ ► well as black and white which is yeah i have heard i have heard from uh an inside source who has used
00:38:47 ◼ ► that pink phone that it's awesome i bet really nice and i bet that's probably going to sell this
00:38:52 ◼ ► this phone will probably sell more units because they have a pink one colors people colors yep um it
00:38:58 ◼ ► has the same 48 megapixel camera and 6.1 inch display but the camera has better portrait because it's using
00:39:05 ◼ ► the image uh image pathway from the a19 instead of the a18 which allows them to do the enhanced portraits
00:39:12 ◼ ► so it's on both cameras even though it's the same camera specs they've got more capability because
00:39:18 ◼ ► the chip is doing the whole pipeline thing that it's doing yeah same price 599 but 256 gigabytes of
00:39:26 ◼ ► storage it doubled the storage i think this is a very solid update for this particular type of phone
00:39:32 ◼ ► yeah and i think this is the apple way of addressing i think what a lot of people said in the report card
00:39:38 ◼ ► um that 599 was probably too expensive for your cheap phone um which i could see the argument that
00:39:46 ◼ ► it felt like a 499 phone being sold for 599 so what apple did is the ultimate apple thing which is they
00:39:52 ◼ ► didn't lower the price but they increased the specs so it's not a price cut but it is a suitable amount
00:40:01 ◼ ► of storage at that price this is a much better product than the 16e was now is it i think there's
00:40:10 ◼ ► a real argument to be had about whether you'd be better off if you can at all afford especially if
00:40:17 ◼ ► you're on an installment plan through your carrier a 17 proper because the 17 proper is so much better
00:40:24 ◼ ► than the 17e but the bottom line is that's not what this product is for this product is to hit the lower
00:40:31 ◼ ► price point and it's pink and it comes in pink soft pink i do think that that pricing the 599 for 256
00:40:40 ◼ ► you know this may be me getting ahead of myself a little bit here um but i actually do think it applies
00:40:47 ◼ ► to the ipad as well there's going to be i think a lot of discussion once all these products are announced
00:40:53 ◼ ► probably some has already hit by the time you may be listening to this about ram and what apple's
00:41:00 ◼ ► response to ram is now the same issues with ssds too but rams are just more so so you know the fact
00:41:08 ◼ ► that they have doubled the storage and kept the price the same where apple could have doubled the
00:41:13 ◼ ► storage and increased it and says it's you know we're starting at this but it's the same they've done
00:41:17 ◼ ► that before i think samsung just did this with their phones too where they increased the starting
00:41:21 ◼ ► storage and increased the price but they're like hey it's the same price for this one i think the
00:41:25 ◼ ► fact that they have done this with these products could suggest potentially that they are trying their
00:41:30 ◼ ► best to take this one on the chin maybe this year but we'll we'll find out yeah we'll find out
00:41:39 ◼ ► um so yeah that's that we've also got the ipad air which gets an m4 chip uh and an n1 wi-fi chip
00:41:48 ◼ ► and the c1x modem so it's got all of apple's new stuff and also same prices 599 for the 11 inch and
00:41:55 ◼ ► 799 for the 13 inch yeah i mean much to this it's speed bump right and better it's a chip bump uh which
00:42:04 ◼ ► is great i mean they kept the prices the same this is a really great value i find it funny that every
00:42:09 ◼ ► now and then i see somebody in the discourse say i don't understand why the ipad air exists whereas
00:42:13 ◼ ► my feeling is the ipad air is the most important ipad in some ways because it is the best uh balance
00:42:21 ◼ ► because the ipad pro is so expensive but if you want a good ipad not the cheapest ipad that's like
00:42:27 ◼ ► not good enough for you it's so great that the ipad air is here it's only one chip behind the pro
00:42:32 ◼ ► it's got a lot of features that used to be on the pro it supports the keyboard it's got all of that
00:42:36 ◼ ► and it's way cheaper to get into it than it is a pro so it's a it's i think a really great product
00:42:42 ◼ ► and similarly it's it this is not an exciting update but it is apple kind of like keeping all of the
00:42:48 ◼ ► stuff up to date every year the stuff is getting another you know year forward in tech i like that
00:42:55 ◼ ► i much prefer that to leaving a product sitting uh you know on the side of the road for two years
00:43:00 ◼ ► to me it's like if you argue the ipad air you are arguing both the macbook air and the iphone 17
00:43:06 ◼ ► like you're arguing the existence of all of these products which are great products right but there's
00:43:13 ◼ ► a cheaper version of all of those things well there yeah i mean there still is even the macbook air you
00:43:18 ◼ ► can get the m1 macbook air from whoever might be selling it at that time but there is cheaper
00:43:24 ◼ ► products in each of these categories so these all have a great reason to exist you know the the
00:43:29 ◼ ► ipad air is the default ipad i think the iphone 17 is the default iphone for lots of people who might
00:43:36 ◼ ► just be making a decision same as the macbook air so i think the ipad air makes great sense as a product
00:43:41 ◼ ► it makes more sense to me than the regular ipad that just fills a price point more than anything else
00:43:46 ◼ ► well i agree i could argue and i i'm somebody who bought an ipad pro but like i'm not sure the ipad pro
00:43:51 ◼ ► pricing makes sense for almost anybody doesn't so expensive versus the air which has like everything
00:44:00 ◼ ► that was in the ipad pro two years ago or three years ago i was using an air for a few years um i
00:44:05 ◼ ► got one uh the year that i had covered at wwdc 2023 good times because uh there was something in
00:44:13 ◼ ► ipads at times stage manager so i got yeah you need an ipad yeah yeah yeah that was my i'm really
00:44:20 ◼ ► sad i'm going to spend some money on a piece of technology i like the um i like the magic keyboard
00:44:25 ◼ ► for ipad pro in for the for the modern ipad pros it's nicer right it's got the extra row you know
00:44:32 ◼ ► it's got it's got stuff that's nicer about and certainly the screen is nicer but like you can do
00:44:35 ◼ ► the magic keyboard the older one that was also great smaller trackpad didn't have the extra row and all
00:44:42 ◼ ► that yeah but it like it it it was great in its time and that's still the ipad pro keyboard and
00:44:48 ◼ ► it's good for a lot less money so there's a lot to be said for the ipad air which now is now is on m4 so
00:44:54 ◼ ► it's not not going to give you the m5 but do you need that on an ipad some people might say yes some
00:45:00 ◼ ► people want the nice screen it's all good i got one too because i wanted that ipad experience but
00:45:06 ◼ ► for most people the ipad air makes so much sense and now it's you know it's staying up to date with
00:45:11 ◼ ► the time so you don't have that moment where you're like oh this this thing's really appealing but it
00:45:15 ◼ ► hasn't been updated in a while and that chip is looking a little old apple's just not doing that
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00:47:26 ◼ ► it is time for the draft let's do it march experience draft yep these are the rules there are going to
00:47:38 ◼ ► be six rounds in this draft 12 overall picks somehow we managed uh that amount um the draft champion gets
00:47:45 ◼ ► the first pick i am the draft champion the items that we're picking from are chosen from a predetermined
00:47:52 ◼ ► list of choices we have agreed could be verifiable and not ridiculously obvious uh considering there
00:47:58 ◼ ► isn't a defined keynote we're doing the draft a little bit differently for an item to count it must
00:48:03 ◼ ► either be announced in a video press release or on a product page on apple's website that we can point
00:48:10 ◼ ► to from now until we record the next episode hearing it in a briefing or from a friend not enough this time
00:48:18 ◼ ► we gotta be able to point to something we want to see something on apple's website that confirms whatever
00:48:23 ◼ ► it is now we don't have any deeply uh esoteric picks here so it's all yeah that'll hire unlikely
00:48:29 ◼ ► because the draft is is all sportsman-like and gentleman-like uh we will probably agree if we
00:48:35 ◼ ► really deeply disagree steven hackett will be our our judge and um the usual no point no partial points
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00:48:49 ◼ ► back uh in the case of a tie we have a tiebreaker question the draft challenger gets a pick of the
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00:49:19 ◼ ► all year round it's a perennial yes yes and i leave mine in the drawer and i bring it out on draft days i'm
00:49:25 ◼ ► wearing my uh my draft uh t-shirt today very nice this might be my lucky t-shirt at this point it might
00:49:31 ◼ ► be because i'm on a pretty sure the next time you see it i'm on a pretty decent run yeah yeah yeah the
00:49:36 ◼ ► history of these events there is actually a history there have been three march events in the past and jason
00:49:42 ◼ ► won all of them there was an event in april in 2021 which i won that was the last time there was an event in
00:49:50 ◼ ► this time of the year like a draft at this time of the year the last few it's just been wwc is the first one
00:49:56 ◼ ► one of those jason that you won was the streaming event do you remember that one about apple tv
00:50:04 ◼ ► apple tv yeah it's like a bunch of celebrities so yeah that's right jason momoa was there
00:50:09 ◼ ► and jennifer aniston and everyone else including it's literally it's literally the fulfillment of
00:50:14 ◼ ► my lifelong dream to be in the same room as jennifer aniston it would didn't go the way i thought it
00:50:19 ◼ ► would hey but let's be honest did you ever actually think you were gonna get it you know
00:50:23 ◼ ► no never never uh you have a tiebreaker question for me i do the tiebreaker we decided to go with this
00:50:31 ◼ ► time is an over under uh this is going to be of the new low-end macbook uh which if if you know
00:50:39 ◼ ► low-end macbook whatever it's called it doesn't matter that's a choice we can make if it doesn't happen
00:50:44 ◼ ► this is invalid and if we tie and this doesn't happen we just tie that's just it we both we're
00:50:49 ◼ ► both winners um but i have i am going to force you to guess what the base price is going to be
00:50:55 ◼ ► and it has to be over or under 6.99 oh wait but what if it's 6.99 i get it wait hang on no hang on
00:51:05 ◼ ► wait well so if it's exactly 699 you just win it yeah that doesn't sound right yeah that's it that's how
00:51:14 ◼ ► that's how over under works i don't think that's how that works yeah that's how that works
00:51:18 ◼ ► but hmm i feel like i'm being punked um it's over under yeah but like if it is 6.99 which is a very
00:51:28 ◼ ► likely price point yeah you just win i win but what if i want to choose 6.99 um too bad
00:51:39 ◼ ► okay this is interesting turns out that the the tiebreaker could also just create your own rule
00:51:44 ◼ ► set tell you what i'll give it i'll give it to you i will take the opposite of you if it's 6.99 again
00:51:51 ◼ ► it's just going to be a push what if you choose 6.98 i don't want to give you 6.99 i don't want to
00:52:00 ◼ ► give you 6.99 because i think that's going to be 6.99 yeah me too just the problem well it'll be a push if
00:52:12 ◼ ► okay okay all right let's do this strategically okay um so what i would need to do then is say
00:52:31 ◼ ► of it's always more disappointing than that so i'm going to say oh i don't want to do this though i don't
00:52:47 ◼ ► 650 650 all right i like this thank you over under 650 i'm taking the over on that and by the way this
00:52:59 ◼ ► is the non-education price yeah all right thank you for that i appreciate that i feel like that makes
00:53:06 ◼ ► more sense to me than just if it's the price everyone thinks it's gonna be then jason just
00:53:12 ◼ ► wins i win there's just a draft pick for you at that point all right but i went against my own rule
00:53:18 ◼ ► and i said what if it's a 5.99 i i think also it could be 7.99 so you know i'll give it to you though
00:53:25 ◼ ► i think it's going to be 6.99 it's more likely 7.99 i feel like based on the the snell law of the
00:53:32 ◼ ► pricing well you can take it you can take it over 650 all right so let's get into the draft
00:53:44 ◼ ► well go ahead you won't get them draft list i'm just letting you know i had to just i wiped out
00:53:51 ◼ ► the vast majority of my top 10 picks this morning with these with the with the ipad air and the iphone 17e
00:54:00 ◼ ► so i guess i'm gonna have to start with the thing that we're hoping exists and if it does
00:54:27 ◼ ► my other first round pick there's some wiggle room in there it's a dangerous thing i think to
00:54:33 ◼ ► have as a first round but to me i think if the base ipad exists surely it has apple intelligence in it
00:54:40 ◼ ► and so i'm taking that as my first round pick it's great i think that's reasonable i think that's gonna
00:54:45 ◼ ► happen it was on my list um not high on my list but on my list right so i'm gonna go with
00:54:57 ◼ ► new laptop is named macbook that was my first round pick okay i just as chickened out at the last
00:55:05 ◼ ► second it seems so obvious but that's never stopped them before it's it's it's marketing so you never know
00:55:12 ◼ ► yep i would really be surprised if it that's the right name for that product is just macbook the new
00:55:21 ◼ ► macbook and that there's macbook macbook air and macbook pro just like there's ipad ipad air and
00:55:27 ◼ ► ipad pro it just that's the brand name let's not be cute about it they've used it before multiple
00:55:36 ◼ ► times for this kind of product it's the right name just put it out there so i'm gonna go even though it
00:55:43 ◼ ► is risky in the sense that it's a marketing thing and nobody really knows i just can't imagine it i can
00:55:49 ◼ ► picture it so i think it's got to be that yeah i mean i'm absolutely in complete agreement with you
00:55:57 ◼ ► but i feel like if there's snell's law 1b is that don't don't pick marketing don't pick marketing names
00:56:05 ◼ ► and and the leaks for marketing names are just like you know they don't mean anything until they actually
00:56:10 ◼ ► start printing the boxes it's straight until that and even then so sometimes they put the name on the
00:56:16 ◼ ► boxes i'm not sure we've even seen a leak about the name no it's just what everybody thinks it's
00:56:20 ◼ ► going to be called yeah yeah which i think it's gonna be called macbook that's it yeah i'm going to
00:56:26 ◼ ► pick from the heart with my second do it i love it the new laptop comes in at least four color options
00:56:34 ◼ ► oh you know you got my hopes up when you said i'm going to pick from the heart and then you picked
00:56:38 ◼ ► exactly what i was going to pick from that is still coming from my heart all right it's still
00:56:43 ◼ ► coming from my heart i this is what i want i want this so bad i want i want there to be colors and i
00:56:49 ◼ ► want there to be lots of them so your danger because we agreed on four yeah your danger is that there are
00:56:55 ◼ ► three yeah right yeah i think there will be i think i think you're right though i think what
00:57:02 ◼ ► we'll get is three color options and then silver which makes technically four color options yes i
00:57:06 ◼ ► think i i don't think that there is you know we're going to get four bright colors i think it's it will
00:57:11 ◼ ► be similar to the imac right which is like there's a selection of colors and there's a default color and
00:57:16 ◼ ► the default color is silver we could even see silver black green blue or something like that but
00:57:22 ◼ ► i'm i'm you know the the the sub thing in here that i want to be true is they are four good colors
00:57:30 ◼ ► right but i don't know i don't know about that we'll see yeah um that would be great it would be the
00:57:38 ◼ ► first colorful um truly colorful laptops in uh since the original ibook i my gut feeling is these
00:57:47 ◼ ► will be very similar to the ipad base model colors and that's the model they're going to use
00:57:53 ◼ ► um maybe it'll be the imac but because the imac's kind of two-tone you know but they've got
00:58:00 ◼ ► the aluminum on the back it's bright i mean i hope that they do ipad rather than ipad air because
00:58:06 ◼ ► like the ipad colors are very saturated yeah the base ipad colors that's my guess is that they
00:58:12 ◼ ► will basically be the base ipad colors that would be amazing because like the ipad air colors are like
00:58:17 ◼ ► the ipad air just walked past the ipad and took a little bit of color from it a little stink from
00:58:22 ◼ ► it yeah but the ipad colors are just very saturated like a blue a pink and a yellow and then the silver
00:58:30 ◼ ► i mean that would be fantastic i think if they went with that route although i do expect that those
00:58:34 ◼ ► colors will be different um on the ipad but i don't know if that's i think that might actually
00:58:39 ◼ ► be a pick that we have later on so yeah we'll see that too much so oh what if they what if that's what
00:58:44 ◼ ► they do is they hold that ipad so that they can announce the colorful computers next to each other
00:58:49 ◼ ► maybe um it'll be color wednesday i'm gonna pick uh that the new laptop has a screen smaller than 13
00:58:57 ◼ ► inches i believe for a very long time that it was going to be the m1 macbook air screen there was that that uh
00:59:02 ◼ ► mark german report that it was actually going to not be and it was going to be more more like a 12.9
00:59:08 ◼ ► which is last time i checked smaller than 13 so i'm going to go with that i think that that'll be a
00:59:13 ◼ ► differentiator is that screen is going to be smaller not a lot smaller but smaller than what we've seen
00:59:18 ◼ ► on the m1 and uh that's a way to differentiate it from that nice screen on the macbook air today
00:59:27 ◼ ► all right um i'm going back to the macbook well it's just the entire draft and then my ipad pick
00:59:33 ◼ ► and it's all macbook um i think that the new laptop will be wedge shaped whoa yeah that feels real wish
00:59:44 ◼ ► casty to me i mean talk about talk about a thing that hasn't been i think hasn't been rumored i don't
00:59:50 ◼ ► know maybe uh i just i i can imagine just keeping that that design the the macbook air design classic
00:59:58 ◼ ► because i think one of the things that apple wants to do here is to continue to make sure they continue
01:00:04 ◼ ► selling this computer okay and it has to be different from the macbook air like they they have to be
01:00:10 ◼ ► different products and i think that keeping it in the old macbook air style will indicate to people oh
01:00:16 ◼ ► oh this is like that computer that i had but it's also different from the other one which is
01:00:21 ◼ ► boxier and thinner so i'm a big believer in the idea that apple's going to recycle a lot of its parts
01:00:27 ◼ ► here so it could really recycle the design from that what gives me pause is two things one is the rumor
01:00:32 ◼ ► that the display is going to be smaller and the other is the rumor that they're using a different
01:00:36 ◼ ► aluminum process on this which suggests that they they had to they they can't reuse the m1
01:00:43 ◼ ► air case they made a new case and did they choose it not to say that it couldn't happen but it means
01:00:50 ◼ ► that instead of it being kind of like inherited they have to choose to keep the wedge around they
01:00:54 ◼ ► might i mean i i remember when they came out with the um retina uh retina macbook air which was the
01:01:00 ◼ ► brooklyn event um one of the things that was striking about it is that they said they very specifically
01:01:06 ◼ ► decided not to change the wedge shape because they wanted it that was what ipad what macbook air meant
01:01:14 ◼ ► to people and they didn't want to change that so they didn't maybe they just busted out the design
01:01:19 ◼ ► of the 12 inch macbook like if we're going to make the macbook let's just make that one and that was a
01:01:24 ◼ ► very very slight wedge but a wedge still yeah so maybe they just did that this 12 inches is what
01:01:29 ◼ ► they need to do it small screen just go back to that that would be interesting i don't think
01:01:34 ◼ ► they're going to do that but that would be real interesting avenging laptop of the past i i i do i
01:01:38 ◼ ► mean i get where you're coming from right that this is probably a brand new design right like they're
01:01:43 ◼ ► not just taking the shell of the macbook air but i i just think it that they may just want to just go
01:01:49 ◼ ► with this and like this that's one of the things that's going to make this computer look a little bit
01:01:52 ◼ ► different i am also as been pointed out by uh jambo and discord i am partly picking this on behalf of
01:01:58 ◼ ► my wife because she does not want to let go of a wedge-shaped macbook air and i'm desperately hoping
01:02:04 ◼ ► that a new computer will come into her life at some point and that's only going to happen if there is
01:02:08 ◼ ► a wedge-shaped mac because she does not like the macbook air um and so uh i'm hoping that this will
01:02:14 ◼ ► happen so then a beautiful colorful computer can enter our home that's very nice well i'm gonna say
01:02:21 ◼ ► that the macbook base model comes with more than eight gigabytes of ram ah this is my next one
01:02:26 ◼ ► yeah okay oh wait more than more than more than more than i think it's gonna be 16 the base i think
01:02:35 ◼ ► it's gonna be 16 in this economy or 12 in this economy or 12 what are you doing okay i just i'm
01:02:43 ◼ ► thinking about what like what is the limit and i i just my gut feeling is that it's not going to be eight
01:02:49 ◼ ► um 12 might be a possible like right just to be like and it's got more than eight it's not 16 it's
01:02:55 ◼ ► just 12 i think if they did do more than eight it will be 12 because that's where the macbook air starts
01:03:00 ◼ ► at i think i get that they're worried about ram prices but also there's the functionality of this thing
01:03:05 ◼ ► and i think having it only be eight is right like right on the edge um especially for like apple intelligence
01:03:12 ◼ ► which i do think they want to put you know put the sticker on the box so i i just got pure pure gut
01:03:18 ◼ ► feeling is i don't think they're going to go regress because the the air starts at 16 yeah i just don't
01:03:24 ◼ ► think they're going to 16 now i don't think they're going to regress by half so it's a gut feeling thing
01:03:30 ◼ ► but i'm going to go with my gut feeling that it's going to be more than eight yeah 12 is probably more
01:03:35 ◼ ► the most likely to me but okay it may be eight 10 i just don't want to get scared off on everything
01:03:41 ◼ ► because of ram because we've already seen that they're not they're not acting quite as scared as
01:03:46 ◼ ► you might think so don't over overcompensate that so anyway i'm just putting my chips down here yeah
01:03:51 ◼ ► this is why i've lost so many drafts but i i just i got to go with my gut what i think is going to happen
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01:05:53 ◼ ► upgrade and all of relay now i'm in a bit of a tiz now because i was gonna pick oh macbook base model
01:06:03 ◼ ► comes with eight gigabytes of ram well but now i don't feel so confident on on that because you have
01:06:10 ◼ ► made a good point i talked you out of it but that that's actually good for me bad for you because that
01:06:15 ◼ ► if you're very confident about that that that was going to be a pick that i would have made and maybe
01:06:20 ◼ ► it would have been wrong that would be a big swing i i don't know if i don't know if i'm very confident
01:06:24 ◼ ► in it i just i confident enough to pick it i guess yeah not confident enough let me tell you my thinking
01:06:31 ◼ ► on it because like i mentioned earlier about the ram pricing i don't know what they're going to do
01:06:35 ◼ ► but i mean none of us do my my thinking was if you're introducing a new product you can maybe kind
01:06:42 ◼ ► of like tweak it a little bit so you end up maybe going a bit lower than you would normally because it's
01:06:54 ◼ ► that apple wants to come out with something that feels solid even though it's cheaper and that
01:07:02 ◼ ► it might also we don't know it might also kick around for a while and maybe you know i i don't know it is
01:07:11 ◼ ► it's just a gut feeling of like maybe they go out with 12 because that sort of sets the bar there
01:07:16 ◼ ► instead of going out with eight and feeling like they really kind of skimped and those systems are
01:07:21 ◼ ► really kind of you know not ideal but um you know they might they might i am going to make a ram pick
01:07:31 ◼ ► though okay ram prices on the macbook pro are the same the same whoa interesting yeah so this is when
01:07:43 ◼ ► you're configuring a macbook pro yes obviously a new macbook pro this is just better not than being a
01:07:48 ◼ ► m5 pro pro or max macbook pro yeah that the ram prices on those upgrades will be different than the
01:07:57 ◼ ► current ram prices well i'm saying they'll be they won't be different oh they won't be different
01:08:03 ◼ ► right okay so we we click on that now and it's like you can go to this and this and this and those prices
01:08:08 ◼ ► will not change that's what i think okay i think apple's already made a bunch of money from ram right
01:08:22 ◼ ► bias in this i think this ram thing is a is a temporary problem and a lot of people are treating
01:08:30 ◼ ► it like this is for the rest of all time i don't think it's going to be like that i think this is a big
01:08:36 ◼ ► problem but a temporary problem reminds me of the chip shortage the great chip shortage of 2020 right
01:08:41 ◼ ► legacy nodes and i think that if apple are able to i mean i assume already that they they probably
01:08:48 ◼ ► had a pretty decent stockpile of ram and so they i'm sure had to buy more but maybe they try their
01:08:53 ◼ ► best to eat it maybe they put up the price of the macbook pro a little bit right i don't know but i just
01:09:08 ◼ ► we'll just we're not going to change anything we're not going to mess with anything we'll see
01:09:13 ◼ ► what happens next year that that's my hope that they're going to go with that but we'll see because
01:09:18 ◼ ► my concern would be uh if they put them up this time it never comes down again so i i hope that that
01:09:24 ◼ ► this is purely for me a thing that i i think they could do i think apple is in a position that maybe a lot of
01:09:30 ◼ ► other companies are not um but and and part of it for me as well we've just seen products you know
01:09:36 ◼ ► that could have had their price go up and they didn't so we'll see yeah um one of the mysteries
01:09:43 ◼ ► going back to the the macbook ram for a minute one of the mysteries is like we don't know for sure what
01:09:48 ◼ ► chip it's using but i will say that the iphone air and pro have 12 and the question is just like do
01:09:58 ◼ ► they think an older chip with eight gigs of ram is enough for a mac and i just don't know maybe it is
01:10:06 ◼ ► but that that's my that's the question we will find the answer right but that's that's my question
01:10:11 ◼ ► that's that's a very very good point that is a very very good one and and that is the the thing
01:10:16 ◼ ► too of like was that chip designed to work well with less than 12 you know like was it ever really
01:10:24 ◼ ► a consideration maybe and what what chip is in there is it the iphone 17 chip or is it the iphone 17 air
01:10:30 ◼ ► chip yeah um because remember it's not a phone it is a mac it's got different specs it is it has to do
01:10:37 ◼ ► two different things um i don't know we'll find out i am going to go with what what is in the uh
01:10:44 ◼ ► in the draft scorecard parlance a bummer pick but it's on our list and i'm gonna pick it mac pro not
01:10:53 ◼ ► updated that's a good one that's a good one if it's updated i'll eat this pick it's fine i'll take it
01:11:02 ◼ ► if anything i'm annoyed that i forgot to put that one in my in my list yeah yeah i think it's dead i
01:11:10 ◼ ► don't think it's coming back i mean but um the the in fact i don't think the mac studio is going to get
01:11:15 ◼ ► announced this week i think that's going to be next month because german suggests that and that it's not
01:11:20 ◼ ► coming maybe maybe but i i right now i would i'm going to kind of guess not i do wonder if there is an
01:11:28 ◼ ► ultra configuration mac studio if that is the point at which they announce that the mac pro is not
01:11:34 ◼ ► is discontinued um maybe not maybe they have a grand plan to bring the mac pro back but at this event
01:11:52 ◼ ► all right so round five penultimate pick uh i teased this one a little bit earlier the new base
01:12:02 ◼ ► so i think if they update the ipad uh it won't be in the same set of colors that they have right now
01:12:14 ◼ ► so what gives me pause here is that the six the 17e did 17e got one color so that's good
01:13:18 ◼ ► this just feels like an apple thing um i don't i'm not you're right we're slim pickings
01:13:46 ◼ ► will be different in some way and that that might be the way that apple sort of sneakily handles a
01:14:02 ◼ ► i'm trying to maybe i'll withdraw it you can withdraw it if you want to because i think
01:14:06 ◼ ► this one also might be really complicated like we'd have to we're gonna have to define it right
01:14:10 ◼ ► because like yeah if the gpu you wrote it i know i know but what what i was thinking of when
01:14:17 ◼ ► i originally wrote it was was ram and it was ram and i didn't think until just that moment of like
01:14:27 ◼ ► and that seems too complicated but if you don't want to pick it and just go up with something else
01:14:43 ◼ ► my reasoning here i actually think that if you view it as like well what can we take off of
01:14:54 ◼ ► thunderbolt is kind of a pro thing um it's not necessary and those a chips don't support it
01:14:59 ◼ ► that's a good enough reason thunderbolts a good thing to take away because by and large the majority
01:15:05 ◼ ► of things that have that need to be thunderbolt still work with usbc you know you know like you
01:15:11 ◼ ► can you can still do transfer speeds and stuff like that right like you can still plug an ssd
01:15:15 ◼ ► and it's going to be slower but it will still work there are very few devices that are like
01:15:20 ◼ ► thunderbolt only yeah and again this is a low-cost laptop and i mean more to the point the a those a
01:15:27 ◼ ► chips don't do thunderbolt and i why would you do a variant that does thunderbolt like i just i it
01:15:46 ◼ ► it's usb the iphone 17 pro supports usb 3 okay for up to 20x faster transfers that's what i'm
01:16:04 ◼ ► maybe usb 3 is supported i'm not picking that but like thunderbolt is like m chip territory because
01:16:11 ◼ ► obviously the ipad pro has it but that's an m chip yeah yeah that's a good so i'm gonna and
01:16:16 ◼ ► the ipad air too but not it's a good not the iphones so that's what i'm gonna go with specifically a
01:16:20 ◼ ► good pick because the chip we just can't do it it's like a really good place you can't do it
01:16:26 ◼ ► probably all right so we're into the last round um i am struggling like yeah so basically starting
01:16:34 ◼ ► configuration on the macbook pro has changed it's still out there yeah it sure is it really is all
01:16:39 ◼ ► right you know what i'm gonna go for it all right okay i'm gonna we're gonna go for it we're gonna
01:16:43 ◼ ► we're gonna go back to the past here okay will we pay for the sins of the 12 inch macbook
01:16:55 ◼ ► one of the big issues jason knows what i'm gonna say he's just posted it in the document he knows
01:17:00 ◼ ► where i'm going one of the sins of that computer was ports yeah apple has since solved the potential
01:17:06 ◼ ► ports problem by introducing magsafe yeah so i'm going to say that the new laptop does have magsafe
01:17:13 ◼ ► and then they can you know they can have one or two usbc ports or whatever they're going to have
01:17:19 ◼ ► but at least you will be able to charge this computer and do something else at the same time
01:17:24 ◼ ► that's what i'm going with for my final pick okay i it's pot look okay what gives me pause here is
01:17:37 ◼ ► and and apple often surprises us it's things we're like well they're obviously not going to put that
01:17:43 ◼ ► feature in that model and then they do and you're like oh okay interesting that's what i would say
01:17:59 ◼ ► good for them the m1 air doesn't have it so it would be an upgrade on the m1 air um it does require them to
01:18:09 ◼ ► have a magsafe charging cable in the box and have space on the device for a magsafe in addition to
01:18:15 ◼ ► whatever the usb ports are um i could make the argument that the the real lesson to learn from that
01:18:23 ◼ ► macbook the previous macbook is um don't have one port yeah so if this thing has like the macbook air you have
01:18:32 ◼ ► have to charge it via usbc the m1 but you had other another port so you didn't need them
01:18:39 ◼ ► for just charging or data um i'm not convinced this thing's going to have magsafe but i i'm not
01:18:47 ◼ ► necessarily convinced enough to pick the opposite of you which is why it's my final pick it's why you're
01:18:51 ◼ ► dropped right it's round six like i'm not this isn't around one pick that's fair that's fair and you're
01:18:58 ◼ ► leaving me with uh with nothing exactly it's like oh you want to dig into the mac studio now
01:19:10 ◼ ► so i'm left with a bunch of picks about products that i believe will be announced but that i don't
01:19:19 ◼ ► believe what the picks are right and a bunch of picks about products i don't believe will be announced
01:19:25 ◼ ► okay um so that's great that's great for me um so this is what i'll this is the last pick i'll just
01:19:36 ◼ ► tell you what i've got on the board here i've got ram prices on the macbook pro are higher
01:19:44 ◼ ► just opposite you yep i've got there's a new ipad accessory from apple these are the things that
01:19:51 ◼ ► you're considering yeah but i'm not going to pick that i've got new laptop does not have magsafe
01:20:09 ◼ ► oh i've got macbook base model storage right so the ipad or the macbook air starts at 256 is that
01:20:17 ◼ ► right i think that's right i say yes the question is would they start at 256 or would they start at 128
01:20:24 ◼ ► with the base model mac 128 sounds terrible i doesn't doesn't sound good though it's like a very bad thing
01:20:33 ◼ ► yeah yeah that's a good thing to do that would be that would be a terrible terrible thing to do because
01:20:59 ◼ ► um i want to just give like what you're thinking i give people so basically aside from that jason has
01:21:08 ◼ ► essentially mac studio picks display picks and home like apple tv home pod updates like these are the
01:21:17 ◼ ► kinds of areas that we're picking from like what are the specs of the display what chips are in the mac
01:21:23 ◼ ► studio like these are things that could potentially happen but since we since i started putting this
01:21:30 ◼ ► document together then mark german has kind of really said like he does not think that those
01:21:34 ◼ ► products are going to be this week so that makes it particularly difficult to i think to make those picks
01:21:40 ◼ ► well it turns out that this is going to be a tiebreaker because i'm just going to pick new
01:21:46 ◼ ► laptop does not have magsafe wonderful i love it we've got this is a real tiebreaker question now
01:21:51 ◼ ► yeah that's the real one that's brilliant i like that we've got that in the same round too it's
01:21:55 ◼ ► essentially two tiebreakers oh no oh no we have two tiebreakers this is how we end up tying
01:22:02 ◼ ► it's great i love it so that's the draft if you want to pick up your score card so you can score
01:22:09 ◼ ► along with us throughout the week go to upgrade dot cards i guess what's really it is actually funny that
01:22:15 ◼ ► uh some of these picks by the time you're listening to this may already be decided which is not
01:22:20 ◼ ► typically i think how people uh tend to get the draft episodes so that would be a lot of fun so you can go
01:22:25 ◼ ► pick that up yeah some of the stuff that was on there you know one of my favorites uh was uh new pro
01:22:32 ◼ ► display has a stand included that's my favorite thing that i added uh and that one may come back in a future
01:22:39 ◼ ► draft yeah i almost so for the record i almost just threw in apple releases a new display in the lineup
01:22:45 ◼ ► right here yeah because what if they do and you could still do it with laptops it doesn't have to wait
01:22:51 ◼ ► for the mac studio it doesn't it doesn't um it's only mark german throwing water on it that made me kind
01:22:56 ◼ ► of less excited about that and i thought at least there's a look i think it's possible that the starting
01:23:02 ◼ ► configuration on the macbook pro has changed i think it's possible that ram prices on the macbook pro
01:23:06 ◼ ► are higher right i think those are possible and i think it's possible that the new laptop does not
01:23:10 ◼ ► have magsafe that's the one i actually feel is the highest percentage of all of those right so i'm
01:23:15 ◼ ► going to pick it i'm not happy about it but i'm going to pick it so i'm happy that you did and i i
01:23:21 ◼ ► thought you were going to pick that and you picked the opposite and i was like why do i why do i think
01:23:25 ◼ ► that why am i happy that my opponent has chosen that so i might as well just go all in and i
01:23:31 ◼ ► hope it does have magsafe i just you know they're going to cheap out on some stuff i really like the
01:23:36 ◼ ► idea of of them just making that the power cable again for all of the mac i agree i agree i would be
01:23:44 ◼ ► disappointed not just because of the draft i would be really disappointed if they release this product
01:23:48 ◼ ► and the way that you charge it is by plugging in a usbc cable i think that that is like it's making
01:23:52 ◼ ► the mac more confusing again and in a way that i don't want them to do okay this episode is brought to
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01:26:22 ◼ ► elliott writes in and says with the low-cost macbook on the horizon and the macbook pro reportedly
01:26:30 ◼ ► getting slimmer potentially this year as well what do you think would differentiate the macbook air in
01:26:35 ◼ ► this environment could the air get thinner and lighter or the macbook air become the mid-tier
01:26:40 ◼ ► product like the ipad air not as thin as the pro but more robust than the low-end macbook i love it when
01:26:47 ◼ ► the uh ask upgrade question answers its own question right that's that's it is think about the macbook air
01:26:52 ◼ ► like the ipad air yeah that that's that's it it is the it is the sweet spot it is far more capable and
01:26:59 ◼ ► will be far more capable than that low-end macbook will be and very nice and not the cost of a macbook
01:27:08 ◼ ► pro and that's the role it serves the macbook air does not need to be the thinnest laptop it it doesn't
01:27:15 ◼ ► it needs to be thin and light but i think it will always remain thinner and lighter than the macbook pro
01:27:19 ◼ ► yeah right just that just for physics baby if nothing else right um so i i just i'm not worried
01:27:28 ◼ ► i think the macbook air will continue to be apple's best-selling laptop and i think it's in a perfect
01:27:31 ◼ ► position and uh it will just kind of continue on like that i mean it will change over time they all do
01:27:37 ◼ ► but i i think that it will be in a very comfortable position where as like again if that macbook low-end
01:27:45 ◼ ► is on an a chip like there's a whole bunch of stuff that's going to not be capable on that device and
01:27:52 ◼ ► if people care about that even a little also you know it's it's just not going to be as nice the
01:27:57 ◼ ► screen's not going to be as nice like all of that stuff is going to roll down from macbook pro to the
01:28:01 ◼ ► macbook air over time and uh you know i think i'm pretty confident that macbook air will continue to be
01:28:06 ◼ ► the best computer for everybody it's not successful because it's the cheapest it's because it's good
01:28:12 ◼ ► and affordable it you know for people in that price range it is a very good deal it's an incredibly good
01:28:18 ◼ ► deal if you get one on sale for like 7.99 so i think uh i think the air is going to be fine um and apple
01:28:25 ◼ ► will have a little bit of a different balancing act to do but i i'm not worried about it yeah i think we
01:28:31 ◼ ► have to just this point i mean it should happen a long time ago just let go of the idea of air
01:28:37 ◼ ► meaning thin and light it stopped meaning that like a really long time ago now well it means thin and
01:28:42 ◼ ► light no but it's not the thinnest lightest right it doesn't mean no it doesn't mean the lightest
01:28:47 ◼ ► when it first came out exactly what it was meant to signify but it doesn't mean that anymore and it
01:28:53 ◼ ► hasn't for a long time it's just a product name in the same way that like the mac studio is not any more
01:28:59 ◼ ► studio than any other mac so like if you know i can use any mac in my studio and i can use a mac
01:29:04 ◼ ► studio at home like they're just product names it doesn't mean anything specific at this point it
01:29:11 ◼ ► doesn't mean anything it's just a product name that apple uses yep in the same way that they you know
01:29:16 ◼ ► like the iphone 17 air doesn't like it means nothing like yes you know it's not it's not even mid-tier
01:29:25 ◼ ► specifically depending on how you look at it it's just like i mean that's just a name that they use
01:29:29 ◼ ► that is thin and light and they're using it in that way so the tag is a little bit different but yeah if
01:29:33 ◼ ► you look at the if you look at the ipad air i think you see like it can mean what apple wants it to mean
01:29:40 ◼ ► and what it means is that it's implying thin and light in a laptop not that it's implying that it's the
01:29:44 ◼ ► thinnest and lightest laptop what i mean is like the iphone air they use it because it's thin but
01:29:49 ◼ ► that's not why they use air on anything else right because you're saying the ipad there's a thinner
01:29:53 ◼ ► ipad it's a pro so now what do we do you know it's like it's you know it just doesn't work like that
01:29:58 ◼ ► anymore it's just a name that apple uses whenever they want to yes uh john says what importance if any
01:30:06 ◼ ► do you think apple gives to the six colors report card very hard to say all i can really say is that
01:30:13 ◼ ► i know they're aware of it do you ever i mean there's a there's a court thing where where there
01:30:19 ◼ ► was an email that ended up in one of the court disclosures that was about the report card so that
01:30:23 ◼ ► did phil schiller uh said something like oh it's just a bunch of developers which is very funny um
01:30:28 ◼ ► but uh it you know they're aware of it i mean i get i get check-ins from people at apple who reach out
01:30:37 ◼ ► to ask about the report card i've got it here i've got it here from the internal tech emails uh twitter
01:30:44 ◼ ► account this was published in may 2021 and this is from phil schiller to a bunch of people all around
01:30:50 ◼ ► the company at apple yeah fyi this is in january 2016 so is this the first one uh first or second
01:30:58 ◼ ► one yeah something like that fyi year in review by some apple bloggers here is what they had to say
01:31:04 ◼ ► about the app store slash developer situation probably biased towards feelings about the mac app
01:31:10 ◼ ► store since the writers have a long history with mac developers i mean he ain't wrong yeah yeah that's
01:31:16 ◼ ► true well if that was 2016 that was the first report card and it was sent to a bunch of people
01:31:22 ◼ ► at apple marketing and and the app store philip shoemaker because shoemaker at that time was running the
01:31:28 ◼ ► app store i think yeah yeah so that's the uh that i'm not sure it was biased or the mac app store
01:31:33 ◼ ► honestly but anyway uh because like we we know lots of ios developers too anyway yes that that is a good
01:31:41 ◼ ► evidence but i will just say that in recent years i've absolutely had people from apple reach out to me
01:31:48 ◼ ► about the regular report card and the enterprise report card um they are aware of it they know that it's
01:31:53 ◼ ► coming i don't reach out to them and say this report card is coming but they're aware of it
01:31:58 ◼ ► what they do with it beyond that that suggests to me that somebody inside apple care is enough to ask
01:32:04 ◼ ► but i don't actually know what happens beyond that if they if they like have it on their radar is a super
01:32:10 ◼ ► important thing or if they just don't care or if they're just trying to defend themselves against like
01:32:15 ◼ ► if something is really harsh or wrong they feel or whatever i i honestly don't know i have never
01:32:22 ◼ ► really gotten any kind of like how dare you kind of things from them about it um so they're aware of
01:32:29 ◼ ► it it is used in a way that we imagine lots of coverage of apple is used it's either to prove a
01:32:35 ◼ ► point uh good or bad or to win an argument like yeah you know it's used in meetings it's forwarded around
01:32:42 ◼ ► like this being like good work gang we got a great score this year and proven last year or
01:32:47 ◼ ► see i told you we shouldn't have done this look what it's done like so many people disagree
01:32:56 ◼ ► one for that kind of thing because it's an aggregate rather than just one person's opinion
01:33:00 ◼ ► exactly and and and to be clear i'm sure there are lots of people inside apple who read it i know
01:33:05 ◼ ► all sorts of people at inside apple who read six color stuff right like and listen to our podcast and all
01:33:10 ◼ ► of that the question is though like at a corporate level is there attention on it and i can say yeah
01:33:20 ◼ ► Seth asks with one password's new price increase and knowing that jason switched to apple passwords
01:33:29 ◼ ► i wonder if it has any family features sharing some but not all passwords in our family is a very valuable
01:33:36 ◼ ► feature one password okay i mean good news there's a shared groups feature in apple passwords and it
01:33:42 ◼ ► doesn't even have to be in your family it you can share with anybody so like i've got a shared group
01:33:47 ◼ ► with dan morin for some passwords for the websites that we work on together right like uh and i've got a
01:33:53 ◼ ► shared group with my family and i've got a shared group with just lauren so that's the you know good news
01:34:00 ◼ ► um i'm sure there are look there are going to be a bunch of edge cases where it's like but one
01:34:04 ◼ ► password doesn't do that it's like as with any apple feature any apple feature the whole goal i talked
01:34:11 ◼ ► about this on the talk show with gruber um apple is trying to solve the biggest chunk of the problem
01:34:16 ◼ ► for the biggest chunk of people and if you're on an edge case whether it's the platforms you use
01:34:22 ◼ ► or some very specific i heard from somebody when i was saying positive things about this it was like
01:34:27 ◼ ► ah but it doesn't do this very specific thing like it doesn't right like it's not going to solve every
01:34:33 ◼ ► problem i think it solves all most mainstream issues um and the sharing feature that they added this last
01:34:40 ◼ ► cycle is really good because it is so flexible and it's not just about family you can share that with
01:34:46 ◼ ► anybody i think it's really valuable also i went in i got into it with somebody on i want to say
01:34:51 ◼ ► mastodon sounds like mastodon no way about this which is um where people were like listing i mean i had
01:34:57 ◼ ► somebody who who said uh doesn't work on linux so it's a non-starter and i'm like well my original post
01:35:03 ◼ ► said if you're all in on apple's platforms it's worth it that's what i said on mastodon not and and so
01:35:09 ◼ ► to get a response about linux i'm like you are fitting the stereotype there please read to the
01:35:14 ◼ ► the end of the sentence uh linux person um but you know the the feedback i got look some people don't
01:35:22 ◼ ► want to use it i also had somebody who said oh it works great on windows i'm like i cannot endorse
01:35:26 ◼ ► using it on windows maybe that's true but that's not i i don't use windows i'm not trying to say you
01:35:31 ◼ ► should use it on windows i'm just saying i've been very satisfied with it in the mac ecosystem
01:35:37 ◼ ► but or the apple ecosystem but i will say this one of the mistakes people make when they're comparing one
01:35:57 ◼ ► apple has secure notes they're in notes where they should be and i know like you get used to them being
01:36:05 ◼ ► in one password but like they don't belong in passwords they belong in notes that's where they
01:36:11 ◼ ► are they live in the place that makes sense for the ecosystem if you only have one app you put every
01:36:15 ◼ ► feature in there apple has a whole operating system now there are i i heard from a bunch of people like
01:36:20 ◼ ► yeah but i want to put extra like metadata for per password and and it's like yes that is a thing that
01:36:25 ◼ ► i miss from one password not enough for me to pay for one password anymore but yes that is a thing i
01:36:30 ◼ ► miss from it so you know i i just the the sharing feature really unlocked a lot of it i didn't i didn't
01:36:37 ◼ ► encourage my family to move i didn't encourage lauren to move i didn't cancel one password i've
01:36:42 ◼ ► i've been using passwords for a couple years now but i didn't tell lauren i'm going to let one password lapse
01:36:48 ◼ ► until this year because now we're at a state where i can share passwords with her like we did with our
01:36:54 ◼ ► vaults in one password and that made the difference so i imported all i exported her all of her stuff
01:36:59 ◼ ► from one password and put it in passwords and now we're there um i will shout out to one password one
01:37:03 ◼ ► of the nice things about canceling is you can keep the app around and it will show you what was in your
01:37:08 ◼ ► database at the time you canceled um so if there is something i mean the truth is you can reset almost
01:37:16 ◼ ► any password so it doesn't matter but if there is something that you need to get you know like oh i
01:37:21 ◼ ► don't have it in passwords for whatever reason you can still keep one password around and open it up
01:37:25 ◼ ► and copy that thing out so uh good for them for letting you do that i think that's a good practice
01:37:31 ◼ ► but uh to answer seth's point password sharing don't have a problem with it it's really good
01:37:42 ◼ ► use a lot of features that passwords doesn't have and yes like so for example i use notes and i use
01:37:49 ◼ ► uh addresses and all that kind of stuff that these are things that i could share in other apps with
01:37:55 ◼ ► people but it's not what i want to do and wouldn't be ideal for the team that i'm working in to be like
01:38:01 ◼ ► you've integrated it as part of a a set of team functionality which i would argue is what one
01:38:06 ◼ ► password as a company is is focused on right they're focused much more on enterprise content
01:38:11 ◼ ► now i don't care that the price is going up particularly because it's so important to my
01:38:15 ◼ ► business and it's a business expense at this point so it's like you know it's like it's unfortunate that
01:38:21 ◼ ► like all price increases are unfortunate but such is life you know yeah i yeah and i think that's a
01:38:26 ◼ ► really good dividing line that really the issue with one password is there was a time where all of us
01:38:29 ◼ ► started using one password they started giving it away for free it was a brilliant business model
01:38:33 ◼ ► in order to build a user base they just gave it away for free with you know it was free with purchase of
01:38:38 ◼ ► it was free if you are a subscriber to this it was like they did that so long um and that built up a
01:38:45 ◼ ► user base and then they switched to a subscription model and people got grumpy and all of that but that
01:38:49 ◼ ► was at a time when that having a a subscription or a a password locker was a great idea and apple
01:38:56 ◼ ► didn't serve that market really but apple passwords has gotten first off it happened and then it got
01:39:02 ◼ ► better it was not an app but it was good and then it was an app and that was better but it wasn't a great
01:39:08 ◼ ► app and now it's even better and it's it's this classic it's like when i was talking about clipboard
01:39:13 ◼ ► managers right it's like okay everybody's got their own clipboard manager that's great but like the
01:39:17 ◼ ► system should do a clipboard manager and now it does with tahoe this is one of those things right
01:39:22 ◼ ► like apple has to do its own password manager and it has and it's very good and for a lot of people
01:39:28 ◼ ► who bought one password because apple didn't do it this is a good time to look and say well wait a
01:39:33 ◼ ► second do i need it and if you're using it for your business if you've got very particular edge cases
01:39:38 ◼ ► you should keep using it and pay them for it but i think there are a lot of people including me who
01:39:44 ◼ ► looked at it and said i don't see enough value in what i'm paying for and that's okay um everybody's
01:39:51 ◼ ► going to make their own judgments i know people who don't pay for fantastical anymore because they're
01:39:55 ◼ ► like you know apple calendar is fine yeah i am not gonna stop paying for fantastical like i've tried
01:40:02 ◼ ► apple count i'm like no this does not work the way that i want to work everybody's going to be different
01:40:07 ◼ ► but i think the the real core is not i'm not trying to say everybody abandoned one password what i'm
01:40:11 ◼ ► trying to say is if you haven't looked at how far passwords has come do so this could be a reason to
01:40:19 ◼ ► look and consider the value you get out of one password and what is there for free in apple's
01:40:24 ◼ ► operating systems and if it turns out what they've got is plenty for you you don't have to pay for one
01:40:30 ◼ ► password anymore if it doesn't work then you should pay for it because that's it's providing you that
01:40:36 ◼ ► value and that's i mean that's true of all sorts of different software and services yeah i think that
01:40:41 ◼ ► like one password have clearly decided that they want to serve the enterprise market more than the
01:40:48 ◼ ► personal user market sure so it's not surprising to me that a bunch of personal users like i don't want
01:40:53 ◼ ► to use this anymore and then similarly it shouldn't be surprising to them if when they try to increase
01:40:58 ◼ ► this price a bunch of personal users say yeah no thanks and if apple and every other platform vendor
01:41:04 ◼ ► is building in their own password saving model they should focus on the edge cases and the business
01:41:11 ◼ ► market right like they totally should because they came again gruber and i talked about this why
01:41:17 ◼ ► sherlocking is not a thing is if you build your product on a hole in apple's product line
01:41:23 ◼ ► that is obviously a hole and that apple will eventually almost certainly fill it and that's
01:41:28 ◼ ► all you do it's your own fault when apple comes in and destroys your product you need to be building
01:41:33 ◼ ► a product that goes beyond the hole that apple is obviously not filling and you need to make it something
01:41:39 ◼ ► that is going to be um essential for people in lots of ways where the edge cases matter and then
01:41:48 ◼ ► when apple comes in they're not going to sherlock your product because you've done that and that's
01:41:52 ◼ ► exactly what one password has done apple should could and did bring their own password manager to
01:41:58 ◼ ► the party and it if you've never considered using it it's worth considering but like one password is
01:42:06 ◼ ► going to be fine because they also knew that apple was inevitably going to build up that feature and that
01:42:11 ◼ ► they were going to need to be more things to more people and going to business is a great example of that
01:42:16 ◼ ► yeah and like for me for my business the amount that they are price they're increasing the price
01:42:24 ◼ ► it isn't yeah no because it's a business expense and it's a product you use absolutely absolutely
01:42:31 ◼ ► i've had that with with stuff where they're like oh we're going to increase this it's like well my
01:42:35 ◼ ► my whole business relies on you yeah and i get it so and i get value out of you so i'm okay with it
01:42:41 ◼ ► right like there are other products where i wouldn't say that but there are products where it's like
01:42:45 ◼ ► you know go go right on ahead i'm not going to stop using you oh and i guess it's worth mentioning
01:42:51 ◼ ► one part so it's been a previous but not continuing sponsor i mean if anything uh they just had they
01:42:56 ◼ ► just had to deal with us they cancelled some spots so if anything i should be annoyed at them
01:43:00 ◼ ► yeah no and they they have uh and then they bought they bought a company that that sponsored um six
01:43:06 ◼ ► colors a bunch and so those some of those converted into one password ones but i think those are all
01:43:10 ◼ ► in the past now but yes it's happened in the past take that for what you will give them what we just said
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