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00:00:00 ◼   ► I just got a notification that my Mac Mini's offline in the garage.

00:00:04 ◼   ► That might be because I might have sprayed some snow on it today.

00:00:08 ◼   ► Oh, the snowblower, thrower, whatever?

00:00:10 ◼   ► We've been complaining that the laptop should be waterproof, but I don't think anyone has

00:00:15 ◼   ► really thought about the Mac Mini being waterproof, right?

00:00:17 ◼   ► So, I mean, you know, so me using the snow thrower, snowblower, I know snowblowing is a

00:00:23 ◼   ► dirty thing somewhere, but that's what they call them here, so I'm going to keep calling

00:00:27 ◼   ► it that.

00:00:27 ◼   ► Do they not call them that somewhere else?

00:00:29 ◼   ► Well, I understand snow thrower being the more technically common term, but I thought

00:00:32 ◼   ► it was like nationwide, snowblower is the common term.

00:00:35 ◼   ► Some population is giggling, and I just don't know which one, and look, I know about it, I

00:00:39 ◼   ► just don't care.

00:00:40 ◼   ► Okay, so anyway, you know, I bought this thing, geez, five years ago at least.

00:00:45 ◼   ► I've only used it a handful of times.

00:00:47 ◼   ► I'm not good at it because it doesn't snow that crazily that often.

00:00:50 ◼   ► I thought you meant the Mac Mini for a second.

00:00:52 ◼   ► I was like, what are you talking about?

00:00:54 ◼   ► No, that one I use a lot, actually, which I'll get to another time.

00:00:58 ◼   ► But, yeah, so, and it has snowed so much in the last few days.

00:01:03 ◼   ► Like, me trying to use this thing has been comical.

00:01:06 ◼   ► Everything is a mess, and I'm, you know, trying to clear the driveway, and like, I get about

00:01:11 ◼   ► five minutes in, and it just stops.

00:01:15 ◼   ► Now, this is a two-stage snowblower.

00:01:18 ◼   ► It's hundreds of pounds, and it normally, like, yeah.

00:01:22 ◼   ► Two-cycle, you mean?

00:01:22 ◼   ► Two-cycle engine?

00:01:23 ◼   ► It's a four-cycle engine with two stages of stuff it does to throw snow around.

00:01:27 ◼   ► Got it.

00:01:29 ◼   ► So, anyway, it just stops, and I'm like, oh, my God.

00:01:32 ◼   ► And I'm trying to, like, pull up, like, what am I going to do?

00:01:35 ◼   ► I'm in the middle of the driveway.

00:01:36 ◼   ► This thing is huge and heavy, and I'm like, gee, and then I realize, like, I'm like, wait

00:01:40 ◼   ► a minute.

00:01:40 ◼   ► It might just be out of gas.

00:01:42 ◼   ► Like, I'm so bad at operating.

00:01:44 ◼   ► This is my last gas-powered thing besides Tiff's car's range extender.

00:01:48 ◼   ► And so, like, I'm like, I don't know how to deal with this.

00:01:51 ◼   ► Like, I've never even bought, like, regular gas for it.

00:01:55 ◼   ► I just use TruFuel, like, the stabilized gas you're supposed to keep in it all winter.

00:02:00 ◼   ► I use so little of it, I've paid, like, 50 bucks total of gas that the thing is it has

00:02:05 ◼   ► ever used.

00:02:05 ◼   ► So, like, I'm just, I literally, like, have never even bought real gas for it.

00:02:10 ◼   ► So, I'm so disconnected from that process.

00:02:12 ◼   ► But, yeah, it turns out it just was out of gas.

00:02:14 ◼   ► I just poured more TruFuel in, and it was fine again.

00:02:16 ◼   ► On that topic, by the way.

00:02:18 ◼   ► Like, I remember this came up, maybe on this show or in some other.

00:02:21 ◼   ► No, it was probably, like, when we, the cultural we, were watching, like, the first season of

00:02:26 ◼   ► The Last of Us or something and debating how long gasoline in cars would last or whatever.

00:02:32 ◼   ► And I think I might have mentioned this then, but, like, I continue to think about it.

00:02:36 ◼   ► Like, we've had really mild winters for the past several years here.

00:02:39 ◼   ► Now, this one's not mild, but it's not the worst.

00:02:41 ◼   ► But, anyway, we had mild winters, and so I hadn't used my snowblower in literal years.

00:02:45 ◼   ► It had been in the garage.

00:02:47 ◼   ► And I also have, you know, there's no gas in it, but there was a, you know, a red plastic, you know, I don't know how big it is, a four-gallon thing with gas in it that I filled at the gas station.

00:02:58 ◼   ► And I was just sitting in my garage for years, for literal years, just in the plastic, sitting there, waiting, and then, you know, we finally get a snow after several years that I think I'm going to use the snowblower on.

00:03:08 ◼   ► Because, honestly, I think doing it by hand is easier most of the time because our snowblower is so old and so terrible and so tiny.

00:03:14 ◼   ► But, anyway, we pulled that out again.

00:03:16 ◼   ► And every year I pull it out, I'm like, this is it.

00:03:17 ◼   ► This is the year it's not going to work.

00:03:18 ◼   ► This is a 20-something-year-old snowblower, by the way.

00:03:21 ◼   ► This has had zero maintenance.

00:03:22 ◼   ► And I'm putting into it gas that had been in my garage for four years.

00:03:26 ◼   ► I'm like, well, the Last of Us debate tells me that this gas should be dead after six months, so surely this won't work.

00:03:31 ◼   ► It always freaking works.

00:03:33 ◼   ► It works.

00:03:33 ◼   ► You put it in, the thing, fire, mine is actually two-cycled.

00:03:37 ◼   ► They don't sell these anymore because they're too polluting and terrible.

00:03:40 ◼   ► I think it has burned maybe a total of four gallons of gasoline in the 25 years that I've used it.

00:03:45 ◼   ► But I can tell you that if you leave gas in your garage for multiple years in a plastic container and put it into your two-cycle snowblower, the stupid thing will keep running.

00:03:54 ◼   ► Yeah, and I'm sure you aren't doing it any favors, but it sounds like you are trying to kill it so you can get a better one, maybe.

00:04:00 ◼   ► I've been trying to kill it by doing zero maintenance on it.

00:04:03 ◼   ► It just will not die.

00:04:04 ◼   ► Yeah, so anyway, I'm so bad at using snowblowers that I gave up lawn mowing years ago.

00:04:11 ◼   ► I have literally never used a gas-powered lawnmower.

00:04:14 ◼   ► Growing up, we had one of those spinning push manual ones.

00:04:18 ◼   ► Oh, my word.

00:04:19 ◼   ► And I hated it so much.

00:04:20 ◼   ► And so when I finally went through apartments as a young adult, and when we finally got a house,

00:04:24 ◼   ► I told Tiff, I'm like, listen, I'm not mowing the lawn because I always hated doing it.

00:04:28 ◼   ► I will buy a lawn service from day one.

00:04:30 ◼   ► And she's like, no, I want to try one of those push mower things.

00:04:33 ◼   ► And I'm like, okay, but I'm just telling you, I will never use that thing.

00:04:36 ◼   ► She wanted to use the little thing with the blades?

00:04:38 ◼   ► Yeah, like the thing I grew up with hating.

00:04:40 ◼   ► Well, I can tell you, you grew up hating that, and it is fairly inefficient.

00:04:44 ◼   ► But it could have been worse because the thing I grew up using was a gas-powered lawnmower that was way heavier than the spinny blade thing.

00:04:51 ◼   ► And I had to push it myself because it was not, as they said back in the days, self-propelled.

00:04:56 ◼   ► How did it move?

00:04:58 ◼   ► You moved it.

00:04:59 ◼   ► And it is so much heavier than the spinny blade thing, let me tell you.

00:05:02 ◼   ► Oh, yeah, I mean, for sure.

00:05:03 ◼   ► Anyway, so all this is to say I have no experience operating like these heavy gas-powered things that, at least now, they are self-propelled.

00:05:10 ◼   ► You hold down the right handle, and it turns, you know.

00:05:12 ◼   ► But as a result, you know, and you have all these different controls in a snowblower.

00:05:16 ◼   ► You have, you know, the forward and back thing, the engaged and disengaged thing, and then also how to aim the chute that you're throwing snow out of.

00:05:24 ◼   ► And sure enough, I, you know, back into my garage in one of the maneuvers that I'm, that I'm, like, clumsily, clunkily executing.

00:05:32 ◼   ► And I just throw a huge amount of snow into my garage all over, like, the network area, like, where all the 3D printing filaments are stored.

00:05:42 ◼   ► Wonderful, nice.

00:05:43 ◼   ► It's just a disaster.

00:05:44 ◼   ► Maybe you like my snowblower because it has two controls.

00:05:47 ◼   ► Go and where you aim the chute.

00:05:49 ◼   ► Yeah, those are the two controls.

00:05:52 ◼   ► But I'll tell you what, was all of the clumsiness and all of the just absolute disaster that was me trying to clear snow out of my driveway a few days ago and today was nothing compared to the clumsiness and disaster that is the watchOS 26 workout app.

00:06:11 ◼   ► What a transition.

00:06:14 ◼   ► So smooth.

00:06:14 ◼   ► Oh, my God.

00:06:15 ◼   ► Welcome, Marco.

00:06:16 ◼   ► I'm so glad you're here with us now.

00:06:18 ◼   ► I, okay, granted, this is a very hot take because this was, like, I'm just finding all this out today.

00:06:23 ◼   ► Like, because I was, I was holding out on watchOS 26 because I had it on one on, like, a test watch during the betas and I didn't like the clear, you know, buttons to enter your passcode.

00:06:32 ◼   ► And I never used it for workouts.

00:06:34 ◼   ► I never really saw the workout app.

00:06:36 ◼   ► So I was like, eh, why upgrade to watchOS 26?

00:06:39 ◼   ► It seems like it adds nothing.

00:06:40 ◼   ► I'll just wait and wait.

00:06:42 ◼   ► And I just, there was never, and it bugged me every morning when I put the watch on and it's all for updates ready and I would just dismiss it.

00:06:49 ◼   ► And I just never, just always wait.

00:06:52 ◼   ► And with 26.4 betas, now it yells at you pretty badly if you, if you don't have it, like, it, like, refuses to connect to the watch now.

00:06:57 ◼   ► So I'm like, okay, fine.

00:07:00 ◼   ► I guess I'll run the update.

00:07:01 ◼   ► So I'm just seeing watchOS 26 for the first time as of yesterday and today.

00:07:05 ◼   ► And I did my first workout today.

00:07:08 ◼   ► And I'm looking at Garmin's online now.

00:07:10 ◼   ► Like, that's, that's how, like, I, again, this is the hottest of hot takes.

00:07:15 ◼   ► I think watchOS might be the worst 26 update, like, of all the, you know, and Tahoe's bad.

00:07:22 ◼   ► Believe me, Tahoe's bad.

00:07:24 ◼   ► But Tahoe, like, I'm also now, I'm on Tahoe now on all my Macs.

00:07:28 ◼   ► I finally gave in on that as well because the latest Xcode requires it.

00:07:31 ◼   ► Tahoe is a mess UI-wise.

00:07:35 ◼   ► But it does add some things that make my life a little bit faster and easier.

00:07:40 ◼   ► So there are, like, productivity and speed boost things despite the crappy interface.

00:07:44 ◼   ► Like what?

00:07:45 ◼   ► Well, I mean, the biggest thing, honestly, is now that I switched to Chrome, it does autofill

00:07:50 ◼   ► from text messages and emails the way, you know, so that's a big one.

00:07:53 ◼   ► And a couple, there's a couple of small things that work a little bit better.

00:07:56 ◼   ► I mean, there's lots of features that it adds, but the reason I ask is because I was under

00:08:00 ◼   ► the impression that all of us already use third-party applications that fill those roles.

00:08:03 ◼   ► And so it's kind of an academic improvement for us because like, oh, it's got clipboard history.

00:08:07 ◼   ► Well, we were all already using that.

00:08:08 ◼   ► Oh, yeah, I'm not using that.

00:08:09 ◼   ► All right.

00:08:10 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:08:10 ◼   ► But, you know, Tahoe overall, it's been, you know, certain things are working a little bit more

00:08:15 ◼   ► smoothly because it's the latest version.

00:08:16 ◼   ► So like, okay, fine.

00:08:17 ◼   ► But watchOS 26, like, I've been missing nothing by not using it.

00:08:24 ◼   ► It seems to add nothing of value to me.

00:08:29 ◼   ► And it has so brutally murdered the basic usability of the workout app, which is one of the most

00:08:36 ◼   ► common things I do on an Apple Watch.

00:08:37 ◼   ► Yep.

00:08:38 ◼   ► Like, I'm shocked at how buggy and unusable, even just like, you know, you boot the watch

00:08:44 ◼   ► up after the update and it does what all the 26s do.

00:08:47 ◼   ► It wants to take you on a tour.

00:08:49 ◼   ► And like, what?

00:08:51 ◼   ► On a watch?

00:08:52 ◼   ► I don't want to see your stupid liquid glass off tour.

00:08:55 ◼   ► Like, yeah, you're really great.

00:08:57 ◼   ► Good job, Alan Dye's team.

00:08:58 ◼   ► Look at how glassy and awesome you are.

00:09:00 ◼   ► I, as the user, do not care to see you.

00:09:03 ◼   ► And let me tell you, for reasons that we'll get to another time, I've seen the Tahoe setup

00:09:07 ◼   ► screen a lot of times.

00:09:08 ◼   ► So I've been I've I've seen like the stupid welcome animation and have to sit through it.

00:09:14 ◼   ► And then do you want to take a tour?

00:09:15 ◼   ► No, Skip, I've seen these things a lot now, and I'm I'm so over Apple showing off how cool

00:09:23 ◼   ► they are, like, because they're so not at this point.

00:09:26 ◼   ► And so to see it, to see the tiny version of that on the watch, I'm just like, oh, screw

00:09:31 ◼   ► you.

00:09:32 ◼   ► And then to be to be trying to do like the most basic thing and have this thing interrupt me

00:09:37 ◼   ► on the way and to try to do the most basic thing.

00:09:40 ◼   ► OK, fine.

00:09:40 ◼   ► Just open the frickin workout app so I can start this workout.

00:09:42 ◼   ► And then to have the workout app show me like three different interruption screens before

00:09:46 ◼   ► we even show me the UI, trying to promote different things about the new workout app.

00:09:50 ◼   ► Hey, take a tour.

00:09:51 ◼   ► No.

00:09:51 ◼   ► And then do you want to try the new guy?

00:09:53 ◼   ► No.

00:09:54 ◼   ► Like and it's just it's full of so many promos and upsells before you even get to the UI

00:10:00 ◼   ► to actually create a workout.

00:10:01 ◼   ► And then when you get to that UI, it's like, has anybody ever used this inside the company

00:10:07 ◼   ► before?

00:10:08 ◼   ► How to God did this ship?

00:10:10 ◼   ► Like, I am so blown away by how utterly hostile and terrible this app is.

00:10:18 ◼   ► It takes the Alan Dye era of UI crappiness to a new level that I didn't even know was possible.

00:10:26 ◼   ► So great job, ghost of Alan Dye inside of Apple.

00:10:29 ◼   ► Like, I I'm shocked at how bad this is to the point that now I am seriously looking around

00:10:35 ◼   ► at alternatives to the Apple Watch because this is one of the most common things I do with it.

00:10:39 ◼   ► It is so, so bad that it makes me question the entire platform and it makes me resent

00:10:47 ◼   ► the entire platform and want to just drop it.

00:10:50 ◼   ► Right. Now, hold on a second. If you're going to say that the workout app is bad, you're

00:10:55 ◼   ► going to have to use more words because it's so freaking bad. It's so bad. The thing of it

00:11:00 ◼   ► is, is in short, the way it works today, it's been long enough for me that I've forgotten

00:11:04 ◼   ► I've forgotten exactly how it worked in previous versions of watchOS. But the way it works today

00:11:08 ◼   ► is you go to the workout app and it presents you with a vertically scrolling list of workouts,

00:11:12 ◼   ► which is fine. And it's pretty, I think. And you may not agree.

00:11:16 ◼   ► And to be clear, that wasn't great before. Like over the last few OS's, it has gotten

00:11:21 ◼   ► more and more like crapped up, but it was at least still like, you know, you could still

00:11:26 ◼   ► like do it. It was just less ideal than it used to be, but it was still like an 18. It

00:11:30 ◼   ► was still usable.

00:11:31 ◼   ► Right. So as you're scrolling this list, all you see is the different workout types, right?

00:11:36 ◼   ► And then what'll happen if you're anything like me is you'll see the workout type you want

00:11:41 ◼   ► appear at the bottom of the like three different positions that they sort of kind of show on

00:11:45 ◼   ► this list. And so what you'll do is let's say I'm about to do a hit workout, you know,

00:11:50 ◼   ► an HIIT workout. I'll see that appear on the bottom and I'll mash the icon. But in the time

00:11:56 ◼   ► of stop scrolling on the digital scroll or digital crown and go to tap that bottom most icon that

00:12:01 ◼   ► to be fair is ever so slightly off the screen, then magically a play button appears. But Marco,

00:12:07 ◼   ► is that the play button for the high intensity interval training workout? Oh no, my friend,

00:12:11 ◼   ► that's the play button for the one above the hit workout because it's in it. I don't want to use

00:12:18 ◼   ► the I word, but it is bananas. It is utterly bananas that you, you have to wait for this animation to

00:12:24 ◼   ► appear before you can hit the play button. And by the way, why is there a play button in the first

00:12:30 ◼   ► place? Just let me hit the damn workout type in the first, which is how it used to like, Oh,

00:12:35 ◼   ► and by the way, I just opened up the workout app on my watch to to review this interface so I could

00:12:39 ◼   ► comment more intelligently on it. And I was interrupted on launch. Welcome to workout new

00:12:45 ◼   ► navigation. I launched this app this morning. And it's given me the first run welcome screen a second

00:12:50 ◼   ► time now. Like I, this is so bad. Like, everything like this is okay. In a recent member special, I told a

00:12:59 ◼   ► story of when I left Windows, because it just reached a point one day that I was just so irritated by how

00:13:05 ◼   ► little it respected my time and my direction. And I felt like I was being taken on on a ride by Microsoft

00:13:12 ◼   ► as as the experience of my computer. Apple is 1000% there using Apple software now feels like you're

00:13:20 ◼   ► being taken for a ride that it's not your watch. It's Apple's watch. And they want to show you some

00:13:26 ◼   ► stuff. And they want to do what they want to do. And that it used to be aligned with, well,

00:13:32 ◼   ► what will be best for users? Like what how how can we make this the best product for them? And we will

00:13:38 ◼   ► benefit from selling good products because we will make the best products for the users. And today's

00:13:43 ◼   ► Apple doesn't do that. Today's Apple does a what they feel like and be what will be the best product

00:13:50 ◼   ► for Apple. And whatever the users want is now a very, very distant third in that list.

00:13:58 ◼   ► Like, you know, we used to always joke that, you know, Apple would do like, what was best for Apple,

00:14:02 ◼   ► what was best for customers, and then distant third, what was best for developers. Like, but now like,

00:14:07 ◼   ► Apple does what it what it thinks it's best for it. And then users are their own very, very distant

00:14:14 ◼   ► thing after that. Because the way Apple views us now is either as an audience for their wankery of

00:14:21 ◼   ► what they're doing with their design, or more commonly, as a resource to be extracted for upsells.

00:14:27 ◼   ► Yeah, a mark.

00:14:28 ◼   ► Like, and that's like, that's what today's Apple is. And I, I mean, I have, I have just lost so much

00:14:35 ◼   ► faith. And meanwhile, I have to say, I am really happy about technology right now, because I've been

00:14:39 ◼   ► doing some vibe coding. And we'll get to that maybe another time. But I'm really happy with tech

00:14:43 ◼   ► right now. And as happy as I am with other parts of tech, it is putting my dissatisfaction with the

00:14:49 ◼   ► state of Apple in stark contrast, because it's just showing like how they are, they are still making

00:14:57 ◼   ► some really good stuff. But there's a lot of holes in that cheese. Now, there's a lot of things that are

00:15:02 ◼   ► not so good. There's a lot of things they just don't care about, or areas that they used to have,

00:15:08 ◼   ► you know, priority in and things that things they cared about that made good products or treated their

00:15:12 ◼   ► users well, that they just seem to be throwing away or no longer caring about in recent years.

00:15:18 ◼   ► And there's like this stupid work I had this morning, which is like one of the last draws I'm

00:15:22 ◼   ► like, I'm like, I think I'm done with a lot of this stuff. Like, again, I switched to Chrome,

00:15:28 ◼   ► I'm much happier using Chrome. I think I'm gonna switch away from the Apple Watch for a while and

00:15:32 ◼   ► see how that goes. Like, there are certain things that they do a really good job with. And I'm happy

00:15:37 ◼   ► to keep using those. I think, you know, obviously, the hardware, for the most part, is in a great spot.

00:15:42 ◼   ► I still love the Mac as my primary computing platform. And I still love iOS as my primary

00:15:46 ◼   ► phone platform. And I still love Apple's development APIs and platforms for making my software.

00:15:53 ◼   ► But there's so many other areas now where they're just making me mad and disappointed and sad.

00:15:59 ◼   ► And I don't need that in my life anymore. And so if the Apple Watch is going to now be one of those

00:16:05 ◼   ► things where every time I start a workout, I want to throw out the window, maybe it's time for a

00:16:09 ◼   ► change there too. And I'm going to keep looking for those opportunities for change because

00:16:12 ◼   ► I don't owe Apple loyalty. I don't owe Apple buying all their products and saying they're all the best when

00:16:19 ◼   ► they're not. And so, you know, part of what I want to do now is start really evaluating things that I

00:16:24 ◼   ► haven't been evaluating in a long time. And, you know, is this still the best thing? And sometimes

00:16:29 ◼   ► the answer is going to be no. And that's not, you know, that's their problem. That's not my problem.

00:16:34 ◼   ► My problem is I want to use what's best for me and be able to talk about it on the show for anybody

00:16:38 ◼   ► else who might have similar feelings. And Apple has had a long run where they've been the best in a lot

00:16:43 ◼   ► of categories. And I think they are so not the best in a lot of categories now. I don't think

00:16:49 ◼   ► they've realized yet, but I'm realizing it. And look, it's their problem to solve.

00:16:54 ◼   ► We need to move on, but very quickly, by pure coincidence, I went to lunch with Tyler from

00:17:00 ◼   ► Goose on Monday, not a member of the band, but the one who went with us to Goose. And we went to lunch

00:17:06 ◼   ► and I noticed immediately that he had on a watch that was, get this, circular. Imagine that instead

00:17:13 ◼   ► of a round rack, it was a circle. And it was one, I don't, I couldn't tell you which Garmin watch

00:17:17 ◼   ► specifically, but it was a Garmin watch. And it was something like 47 millimeter, maybe even bigger

00:17:21 ◼   ► than that. So it looked kind of ridiculous on my wrist, but I briefly did try it on.

00:17:25 ◼   ► Yeah. Most of them are very big.

00:17:26 ◼   ► Yeah. I tried it on briefly and it looked really nice. Admittedly, I barely messed with it. I don't

00:17:33 ◼   ► think I even really messed with it other than to put it on my wrist, but it looked real nice

00:17:37 ◼   ► leaving aside the fact that my wrist can't support something that big, but it was tempting for a

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00:19:52 ◼   ► a terrible, terrible thing happen to me. I've received the Verizon cable card email.

00:19:57 ◼   ► Oh, no, I got it. I got it last week. There's still no date on it as to when the cable cards are

00:20:02 ◼   ► expiring. And actually, by pure coincidence, it's been a very busy social calendar for me today. I went

00:20:06 ◼   ► to lunch with John from Channels today, and we were talking about this. But anyways, it has come

00:20:13 ◼   ► to me. There's no date involved. As far as I know, even the first people to get it, which I think a lot

00:20:17 ◼   ► of them were in the New York and Boston region, none of their cable cards have died. As far as I know,

00:20:21 ◼   ► John, your TiVo is still chugging along. Yeah. Is your plan to just ride it out like me and just wait

00:20:26 ◼   ► for the day? It doesn't work? Yep, pretty much. Because who knows? That could be a year from now.

00:20:29 ◼   ► Yeah, exactly. I mean, it will come at some point or another. But yeah, that's my plan to ride it out.

00:20:35 ◼   ► The very, very short version is I was thinking about maybe just cruising along with paying Verizon

00:20:41 ◼   ► for cable service, even if I don't use their new IPTV app or anything like that, and just using TV

00:20:46 ◼   ► Everywhere in order to stream things and suck it into channels via TV Everywhere. But in the last week or

00:20:52 ◼   ► two, Disney has pulled all of their channels, including, importantly, ESPN and the associated

00:20:57 ◼   ► properties, off of TV Everywhere. So I don't know what I'm going to do. I suspect that, if anything,

00:21:02 ◼   ► what I'll probably do is upgrade my Disney Plus package to include ESPN and all that for sports,

00:21:09 ◼   ► and then maybe pay for Peacock for Bravo and one or two other channels that we watch. And then

00:21:14 ◼   ► maybe that'll be it. No, and use an antenna for local stuff. But it's a bummer, man. It's a bummer.

00:21:19 ◼   ► Oh, Peacock and TiVo related complaint. We subscribed to Peacock this month for the Olympics because my wife

00:21:24 ◼   ► wanted to watch it. She was away on a work trip. When she came back from the work trip, it was like,

00:21:29 ◼   ► I want to watch X, Y, and Z events that I missed when I was on my work trip. I'm trying to find it

00:21:34 ◼   ► in the Peacock app. Can't find it. She's searched for it. I searched for it. She eventually looked it

00:21:37 ◼   ► up online. Turns out replays of Olympic events are only available for one day after the event.

00:21:43 ◼   ► Why am I paying for your streaming service if you will not show me a thing that happened more than

00:21:50 ◼   ► one day ago? You know what doesn't have that limitation? If we had TiVo'd it. But we didn't.

00:21:55 ◼   ► We didn't. We were like, oh, we'll pay for Peacock. We'll get all the stuff. Just pay for the streaming

00:21:58 ◼   ► service. We should get used to this post-cable, post-TiVo world. This was not a problem with TiVo.

00:22:03 ◼   ► If we had set up TiVo to record the Olympic event she was interested in, maybe it would have been a

00:22:07 ◼   ► little bit more work to set up. But when she came back from the work trip, she could watch the events.

00:22:10 ◼   ► Yep.

00:22:11 ◼   ► The world we're living in, and it's worse.

00:22:14 ◼   ► It is worse. All right. Yolink Alternatives.

00:22:16 ◼   ► Joe writes, you were talking about Yolink sensors, I guess it was last episode,

00:22:20 ◼   ► whatever it was, 16 weeks ago when I last spoke to you two. And Joe continues,

00:22:24 ◼   ► and I wanted to share that Ikea has come out with some new matter-over-thread devices that are

00:22:28 ◼   ► mind-bogglingly cheap. They have a leak sensor for about $8, a scene controller for about $6,

00:22:33 ◼   ► and a motion sensor for about $8. I think they have a contact sensor as well as some light bulbs,

00:22:38 ◼   ► but I haven't bought any of those, says Joe. So far, I've had these for about two months,

00:22:42 ◼   ► and they're rock solid. I especially like that these are all integrated with HomeKit,

00:22:45 ◼   ► so I just need to go to one place to look at the status or inspect alerts. Which, by the way,

00:22:50 ◼   ► these three products, and I cannot speak Swedish, are called Klippbach, Bilressa, and Mig Spray,

00:22:57 ◼   ► which I did literal translations of the three of them, and allegedly, as per Google Translate,

00:23:02 ◼   ► they are called Scrapbook, Car Trip, and Mosquito Spray.

00:23:05 ◼   ► Something may have been lost in translation there, but then maybe not. I don't know.

00:23:09 ◼   ► Right. Yeah, yeah. Anyways, but that is good to know.

00:23:12 ◼   ► I have heard through some acquaintances that these are, at least at first glance,

00:23:17 ◼   ► pretty good, to corroborate what Joe has said. I personally haven't used any of these,

00:23:22 ◼   ► but it is very interesting and worth checking out.

00:23:24 ◼   ► All right. With regard to, we talked, I think it was last episode as well,

00:23:28 ◼   ► about home batteries and generators and things like that, and Russell Prowse writes,

00:23:32 ◼   ► I enjoyed listening to your conversation about battery backups and solar.

00:23:34 ◼   ► One thing you didn't mention is vehicle-to-home, or V2H.

00:23:37 ◼   ► This allows your EV to act as your backup battery, as long as it's connected to a home charger that supports bi-directional charging.

00:23:42 ◼   ► A few EVs already support it, including the BMW iX3 and the upcoming i3, Nudge Nudge Marco, and more on the way.

00:23:48 ◼   ► Also, it's worth noting, and I think, John, you've put this in the show notes for us to talk about,

00:23:52 ◼   ► there's vehicle-to-load as well.

00:23:54 ◼   ► John, what's the difference between V2H and V2L?

00:23:56 ◼   ► That's the little part that I put there for you to read. It explains it.

00:24:00 ◼   ► Well, I was trying to give you the credit, John. I know it's right there.

00:24:03 ◼   ► You're still stumbling over the JS notes.

00:24:05 ◼   ► No, no, no, no, no, no.

00:24:06 ◼   ► I just wanted to make it clear that Russell wasn't saying this, that I was.

00:24:09 ◼   ► No, no, no, I know. Genuinely, hand to God, you know I will fess up if I stumble over it.

00:24:13 ◼   ► I've done it a million times.

00:24:14 ◼   ► This time, I was trying not to steal your credit for once, but all right, fine.

00:24:17 ◼   ► It's not credit for anything. I put all this in the show notes. Just read it.

00:24:19 ◼   ► Jesus Christ. I'm leaving it all in. Screw it. Marco, if you want to clean it up, that's up to you.

00:24:26 ◼   ► All right, so anyway, I happen to know, and it has nothing to do with John Syracuse whatsoever,

00:24:31 ◼   ► that there's also vehicle-to-load, or V2L, where the AC inverter in the EV is used to supply power

00:24:37 ◼   ► that is plugged into the generator, inlet, or whatever. V2L does not require a bidirectional

00:24:44 ◼   ► charger to operate, and by pure coincidence, I don't know why I didn't bring this up last episode,

00:24:47 ◼   ► because it's fresh in mind. My friend Brad, who has the F-150 Lightning,

00:24:50 ◼   ► he had just installed in the last couple of weeks a generator inlet for him to plug his F-150 Lightning

00:24:58 ◼   ► into because that has 220, or I'm probably getting the details wrong, but it's basically got a NEMA 1450

00:25:04 ◼   ► or whatever outlet on the back of it that you can plug into a generator inlet. That's exactly the point,

00:25:08 ◼   ► so as best I know, he has not yet tried this, but in theory, he can use the battery in his Lightning

00:25:15 ◼   ► in order to power at least some subset of the house. Going back to Russell, to me, this removes almost

00:25:20 ◼   ► every downside of a battery backup system and keeps all of the upside. Most EVs have batteries in the

00:25:24 ◼   ► 80 kilowatt hour range, so you're starting with way more capacity than you get with a Powerwall or

00:25:28 ◼   ► equivalent battery backup system. If it's a car you already own, or we're planning on buying anyway,

00:25:33 ◼   ► that's an enormous amount of money you can save versus having a car plus the equivalent amount of battery storage,

00:25:37 ◼   ► which is a great point.

00:25:37 ◼   ► All right, with regard to fans in the M-Pro line...

00:25:42 ◼   ► No, no, I mean, I meant enthusiasts. Sorry. Should have been clearer.

00:25:45 ◼   ► All right, with regard to... See, you know, not even you were perfect, John. Who knew?

00:25:50 ◼   ► I didn't even think about the whole, like, spinning thing that blows air.

00:25:55 ◼   ► With regard to enthusiasts of the M-whatever Pro, Rick Baumhauer writes,

00:26:00 ◼   ► I think Marco was confusing the M3 Pro with the M4 Pro when he said the latter wasn't a good value.

00:26:05 ◼   ► The M3 Pro is a terrible chip, basically an M3 Plus rather than an M3 Max Minus,

00:26:09 ◼   ► as the M1 and M2 Pro had previously been. I don't see how M4 Pro with two and a half times the P cores

00:26:15 ◼   ► and two times the GPU cores of the base chip can be called poor value at $600 more than the base M4

00:26:20 ◼   ► and $1,000 less than the M4 Max. The Pro chip, except for the M3 Pro,

00:26:25 ◼   ► is for people who want near max performance and core count, but don't need all those GPU cores.

00:26:28 ◼   ► Musicians are one such group.

00:26:30 ◼   ► Yeah, that's the problem with all the chip lines is, you know,

00:26:32 ◼   ► you don't generally get to pick what comes inside the SoC.

00:26:37 ◼   ► How many P cores? How many E cores? How many GPU cores?

00:26:39 ◼   ► You get to pick from the three or four sets of stuff that Apple gives you.

00:26:43 ◼   ► And if you really just want a whole bunch of CPU cores and don't care about GPU,

00:26:47 ◼   ► you end up paying a lot more because you have limited choices.

00:26:50 ◼   ► So yeah, the M-whatever Pro chips do apparently have fans,

00:26:54 ◼   ► especially people who do not want to pay for all that GPU that they don't need.

00:26:58 ◼   ► Yeah, we did get a lot of feedback kind of, you know, defending the M Pro chips

00:27:02 ◼   ► because I was kind of crapping on them last episode.

00:27:04 ◼   ► And I think I did a poor job of explaining my main point, which is that the M4 base chip has gotten so good

00:27:13 ◼   ► that if you're looking at, like, performance per dollar in CPU performance in particular,

00:27:19 ◼   ► the M4 is way better than the Pro or the Max.

00:27:23 ◼   ► What I was saying was, like, you know, the Max usually at least has the benefit of, like,

00:27:27 ◼   ► if you need really big RAM or, you know, other very large resources,

00:27:32 ◼   ► sometimes you have to go with the Pro or the Max chip to do that.

00:27:35 ◼   ► But neither of them, in terms of, like, CPU performance per dollar,

00:27:40 ◼   ► neither of them are good values compared to the base chip.

00:27:44 ◼   ► So I think, like, you know, the Max makes its case that, like, you know,

00:27:48 ◼   ► if you need the biggest of everything, the Max is it.

00:27:52 ◼   ► And, you know, if you need the best bang for your buck, the base chip is it.

00:27:56 ◼   ► And the Pro is, it is between those two.

00:27:59 ◼   ► My thinking was not fully considering the pricing aspect because, like, I didn't realize, like,

00:28:05 ◼   ► because I haven't bought one in a couple of years.

00:28:07 ◼   ► Like, I'm still using an M3 Max for my main Mac here.

00:28:10 ◼   ► So I didn't realize, like, oh, the price difference is actually pretty big between them.

00:28:14 ◼   ► So it is a middle step in terms of, like, you can pay some more and get some more.

00:28:21 ◼   ► But in terms of, like, sheer computing power for the dollar,

00:28:24 ◼   ► neither the Pro nor the Max are good values compared to the base chip, which is a very good value.

00:28:29 ◼   ► By the way, the biggest of everything is still the Ultra, even though it is still the M3 Ultra.

00:28:34 ◼   ► It is definitely the biggest.

00:28:35 ◼   ► Well, I mean, yeah, but, like, almost no one should buy that.

00:28:38 ◼   ► It's true, but it's the biggest.

00:28:40 ◼   ► All right.

00:28:41 ◼   ► With regard to Tahoe window resizing, Nathan Manso Pano writes,

00:28:45 ◼   ► on the topic of resizing windows in Tahoe, you can actually enlarge the exterior clickable area.

00:28:50 ◼   ► Just run this command and then log out and back in.

00:28:52 ◼   ► And we'll have it in the show notes.

00:28:53 ◼   ► But it's defaults, right, hyphen G, Apple Edge, resize, exterior size, eat.

00:28:57 ◼   ► The default seems to be four.

00:28:59 ◼   ► You can revert the change with such and such, which will, again, be in the show notes.

00:29:01 ◼   ► I haven't tried that, but I'm glad to know that these, you know,

00:29:05 ◼   ► little undocumented P-list things are still lurking in there for you to mess with the UI.

00:29:09 ◼   ► Indeed so.

00:29:10 ◼   ► All right.

00:29:11 ◼   ► Let's talk macOS document model.

00:29:13 ◼   ► First of all, apparently our timeline was a little bit wrong.

00:29:16 ◼   ► The new document model was introduced in macOS 10, 10.7 Lion, not 10.8 Mountain Lion,

00:29:22 ◼   ► as we, I think, stated last episode.

00:29:24 ◼   ► And, John, you're eating crow in our internal show notes, writing,

00:29:28 ◼   ► in fact, the first sentence of the section of the Mountain Lion review that we linked last episode was,

00:29:32 ◼   ► quote, Apple's far-reaching changes to the document model in OS 10 Lion.

00:29:36 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, it's my bad.

00:29:37 ◼   ► Like, I did the Google link because I didn't remember off the top of my head.

00:29:39 ◼   ► So I'm searching through my old reviews to find out when they introduced us,

00:29:42 ◼   ► and I found the Mountain Lion section that explained their document model.

00:29:45 ◼   ► I'm like, this must be it, but I didn't read literally the first sentence,

00:29:47 ◼   ► which linked back to my 10.7 review and said, here's when it was introduced.

00:29:52 ◼   ► So my bad.

00:29:53 ◼   ► I do think the Mountain Lion section, it does a better job of explaining it,

00:29:56 ◼   ► but it is interesting to look back at the 10.7 review and see what I thought of it then

00:30:02 ◼   ► and how my thoughts had changed even in just a year.

00:30:04 ◼   ► And by the way, it's also fun to look at the fact that Apple could not get its act together

00:30:09 ◼   ► marketing-wise on 10.7 and couldn't decide whether it was Mac OS 10 10.7

00:30:14 ◼   ► or whether it was just OS 10 10.7.

00:30:17 ◼   ► The 10.7 documentation, marketing materials, and everything had both of those things in it,

00:30:22 ◼   ► which to this day, I still remember being like, well, which is it?

00:30:25 ◼   ► Are you dropping the Mac or are you not?

00:30:27 ◼   ► Eventually, I believe they did drop it.

00:30:29 ◼   ► I forget.

00:30:29 ◼   ► But in my reviews, I always tried to do whatever Apple said was their official,

00:30:33 ◼   ► like, here's what we call our thing.

00:30:34 ◼   ► So I'll call it whatever they call it.

00:30:35 ◼   ► And in 10.7, they just couldn't decide.

00:30:37 ◼   ► Or they decided too late and they couldn't update all their materials.

00:30:40 ◼   ► So even in these notes, like you can see in my Mountain Lion review, I call it OS 10 Lion.

00:30:44 ◼   ► But then in my notes here, I called it Mac OS 10 Lion.

00:30:47 ◼   ► Anyway, Apple and naming has never been great.

00:30:49 ◼   ► No, it is not.

00:30:50 ◼   ► Ian Robinson writes, and I don't know why I didn't say this on the episode.

00:30:54 ◼   ► This is one of those things that either you two were on a roll and I didn't want to interrupt or-

00:30:58 ◼   ► I asked you about it.

00:30:59 ◼   ► Oh, then I don't know what my deal was.

00:31:01 ◼   ► But anyways, Ian Robinson writes, Final Cut Pro does autosave on the Mac.

00:31:05 ◼   ► Of course it does.

00:31:05 ◼   ► Where were you on this, Casey?

00:31:06 ◼   ► You have to choose the name for the project when you first add it to a library in the app.

00:31:10 ◼   ► I don't know how long this has been the case.

00:31:11 ◼   ► I've only been using it for about five years.

00:31:12 ◼   ► And that's pretty much exactly the same for me.

00:31:14 ◼   ► Again, apologies.

00:31:15 ◼   ► I don't know where I was on that.

00:31:16 ◼   ► Video Alex writes, ever since Final Cut Pro 10 launched 14 years ago,

00:31:21 ◼   ► you do not need to save as you work.

00:31:22 ◼   ► The file format is a database of incremental changes, so you can undo back to the start

00:31:25 ◼   ► of your edit.

00:31:25 ◼   ► I did not know that.

00:31:26 ◼   ► That's very cool.

00:31:27 ◼   ► When you quit, it commits the changes to the file, which is a bundle.

00:31:32 ◼   ► Eric writes, when you're using Microsoft Office 365 apps on Windows with files in OneDrive,

00:31:38 ◼   ► the apps have the default option of autosaving all you're doing without asking anything.

00:31:43 ◼   ► I didn't actually test this one, but this feedback makes it sound like if you're using

00:31:48 ◼   ► Office 365 and your file is in OneDrive, then it defaults autosaves.

00:31:53 ◼   ► And I'm wondering, does it not default autosave if the file isn't in OneDrive?

00:31:57 ◼   ► That would be a weird behavior that users would never guess.

00:32:01 ◼   ► But anyway, it's just another example of an app that we traditionally think of as a file-based

00:32:05 ◼   ► app deciding, you know what, autosave is the sensible default for this situation.

00:32:11 ◼   ► Alex Kent writes, does Xcode work on files?

00:32:14 ◼   ► How often do you hit Command S every day when working in Xcode?

00:32:18 ◼   ► There's no number that can measure, that can go that high.

00:32:21 ◼   ► A billion times?

00:32:22 ◼   ► A trillion times?

00:32:23 ◼   ► Wait, what?

00:32:24 ◼   ► I hit Command S constantly.

00:32:26 ◼   ► In Xcode, you hit Command S?

00:32:29 ◼   ► I do too.

00:32:30 ◼   ► Absolutely.

00:32:31 ◼   ► I have never hit Command S in Xcode.

00:32:34 ◼   ► Yeah, oh no, absolutely.

00:32:35 ◼   ► What are you hitting Command S for?

00:32:36 ◼   ► To save my work?

00:32:37 ◼   ► To save what?

00:32:39 ◼   ► The stuff I just changed.

00:32:41 ◼   ► The source code that you're editing?

00:32:42 ◼   ► Yes, yes.

00:32:43 ◼   ► If you didn't do that, what would happen?

00:32:45 ◼   ► I mean, what if the computer, see, now I'm exposing my Windows priors, but what if the

00:32:50 ◼   ► computer crashes spontaneously after I've just written a block of code that I don't feel

00:32:54 ◼   ► like rewriting or asking an AI to do for me?

00:32:57 ◼   ► So Xcode, finish this thing, but I'll tell you what my impression of how Xcode works is.

00:33:01 ◼   ► All right, so let me, I'm going to back up to the beginning because I interrupted Alex,

00:33:04 ◼   ► if you will.

00:33:05 ◼   ► So Alex Kent writes, does Xcode work on files?

00:33:08 ◼   ► How often do you hit the Command S every day when working in Xcode?

00:33:11 ◼   ► Autosave feels totally natural in some apps and totally foreign in others.

00:33:14 ◼   ► I have no solid rule for which is correct, but it's not as simple as shoebox versus files.

00:33:17 ◼   ► I agree with pretty much everything Alex is saying, whether or not it makes any sense

00:33:21 ◼   ► whatsoever.

00:33:21 ◼   ► I agree with it.

00:33:22 ◼   ► Yeah, because Xcode, I mean, so clearly it works on files.

00:33:24 ◼   ► It is, most IDs are very much file-based, like in certain situations where the files are and

00:33:30 ◼   ► what their call is actually significantly important.

00:33:32 ◼   ► And in Swift and Xcode, it's not as important as in other languages and other APIs, but it's

00:33:36 ◼   ► still kind of important where the files are and what they're named.

00:33:39 ◼   ► But it's certainly a file-based app.

00:33:41 ◼   ► My impression of the way Xcode works and the reason I don't ever hit Command S is the only

00:33:47 ◼   ► thing that I care about is like, if it was, let's pretend it was like old school file-based

00:33:51 ◼   ► and you had to hit save.

00:33:52 ◼   ► I would be like, okay, I'm typity, typity, typity.

00:33:54 ◼   ► All right, now Command R because I want to run my changes.

00:33:58 ◼   ► But wait, you forgot to hit Command S.

00:34:00 ◼   ► So when you hit Command R, actually what you're running is the version of that file that you

00:34:05 ◼   ► last saved three minutes ago.

00:34:06 ◼   ► And so now you're running the app, you think you're running it, but really you have unsaved

00:34:10 ◼   ► changes that were not part of your build.

00:34:12 ◼   ► That never happens in Xcode.

00:34:14 ◼   ► My impression is that when you hit Command R to run, it doesn't matter if you hit Command

00:34:18 ◼   ► S in the last hour.

00:34:19 ◼   ► When you hit Command R to run, every single one of your buffers is, it's going to use what

00:34:25 ◼   ► is in the file at the time it gets to compiling that thing.

00:34:28 ◼   ► In fact, I will continue to type crap while it's building, confident that it will get,

00:34:34 ◼   ► you know, that it's probably already picked up the chain, like whatever point it hit that

00:34:38 ◼   ► file, especially if I'm adding like a comment or something like that.

00:34:40 ◼   ► So essentially, I treat Xcode like Apple Notes where I never have to hit save.

00:34:45 ◼   ► It is always saving my thing when it needs to.

00:34:49 ◼   ► I'm also under the impression that it's constantly auto-saving in the background.

00:34:52 ◼   ► I don't know if that's true, but that's my impression.

00:34:55 ◼   ► My sort of the equivalent of Command S is commit and push.

00:34:59 ◼   ► Because then if the meteor hits my house, you know, and I'm dead, my source code will be

00:35:03 ◼   ► like, I always want to push as in get it out of my house, get it off of my computer, get

00:35:10 ◼   ► it somewhere that is not here.

00:35:11 ◼   ► But anyway, that's I don't all I can say is that I never have to hit Command S and it doesn't

00:35:17 ◼   ► affect my life.

00:35:17 ◼   ► And so far, I haven't lost any work because of this.

00:35:20 ◼   ► But Marco Casey, you are hitting Command S because you think is that like, okay, but Casey said

00:35:26 ◼   ► he's hitting it because like, well, what if my computer crashes?

00:35:28 ◼   ► I'll lose that code.

00:35:28 ◼   ► I just type Marco.

00:35:29 ◼   ► Why are you hitting Command S?

00:35:31 ◼   ► Because I grew up in TextMate doing web development and TextMate.

00:35:36 ◼   ► I mean, so did I.

00:35:37 ◼   ► I know.

00:35:38 ◼   ► Well, but so TextMate is basically an IDE for web development, sort of, you know, it's like

00:35:44 ◼   ► it's a text editor.

00:35:45 ◼   ► Then you can open a whole bunch of files in and you can, you know, and if you're working

00:35:49 ◼   ► in a web app, you're dealing with, you know, a directory tree full of files that, you know.

00:35:53 ◼   ► And so in TextMate, if you don't hit Command S, your data is not saved.

00:35:59 ◼   ► And so when you go back to the browser and hit refresh or rerun the script or whatever,

00:36:02 ◼   ► you will not have whatever is unsaved being run in, you know, in your test.

00:36:07 ◼   ► So I just developed the habit of like, whenever I go to run whatever I've written, I hit Command

00:36:14 ◼   ► S first.

00:36:14 ◼   ► I mean, I grew up in that same environment and have that exact habit, but I did not bring

00:36:18 ◼   ► that habit with me to Xcode because it was so clear that it worked differently.

00:36:21 ◼   ► So I am a little bit more loosey-goosey about it in Xcode.

00:36:24 ◼   ► Like, for instance, I will, if I do like a find and replace across multiple files in Xcode,

00:36:31 ◼   ► I will do that find and replace and then I'll just hit run.

00:36:34 ◼   ► I won't have, I won't think like, are all those files saved?

00:36:37 ◼   ► Whereas in TextMate, I actually have to think about that.

00:36:40 ◼   ► You have to do like save all or whatever the command is.

00:36:43 ◼   ► If you did think about it, would you go to all the files that have the little M next to

00:36:47 ◼   ► them in the sidebar and click on them and hit Command S?

00:36:49 ◼   ► Or like, I don't even know what Command S does in Xcode.

00:36:52 ◼   ► Does it save every file without standing changes or just the one that's in the currently active

00:36:56 ◼   ► text editing thing?

00:36:56 ◼   ► I think it's just the current one.

00:36:58 ◼   ► But because...

00:36:59 ◼   ► Maybe it's not connected to anything like the elevator door close button and you two were

00:37:02 ◼   ► just hitting Command S to make yourself happy.

00:37:04 ◼   ► Well, like, but it doesn't, it doesn't like, if you, if you hit Command S in notes, it'll beep

00:37:08 ◼   ► at you to kind of yell at you like, don't, don't save me.

00:37:10 ◼   ► What are you doing?

00:37:11 ◼   ► I feel like Xcode should do that.

00:37:14 ◼   ► I mean, I would probably stop doing it eventually.

00:37:15 ◼   ► Like, I don't do it that often in notes, but, but yeah, it just, it's, it's that same carried

00:37:19 ◼   ► over habit because it does like, you know, the thing with notes, notes, again, notes makes

00:37:23 ◼   ► more sense not to do that because there is no explicit save action that the app is doing

00:37:29 ◼   ► like on your behalf, like to a file.

00:37:31 ◼   ► Whereas Xcode, it is still working on individual files.

00:37:35 ◼   ► And until you hit Command S or run or build and run the app, those files are not saved.

00:37:41 ◼   ► Are you sure it's not constantly auto saving in the background?

00:37:43 ◼   ► I haven't tested this.

00:37:44 ◼   ► I'm just asking.

00:37:45 ◼   ► Hold on.

00:37:46 ◼   ► I'll tell you.

00:37:46 ◼   ► I should check.

00:37:47 ◼   ► I should check next time after I spend 10 minutes writing code and then I have not yet

00:37:51 ◼   ► hit Command R.

00:37:52 ◼   ► I will go look in the file system and see.

00:37:53 ◼   ► I am not a hundred percent sure, but I am like 90% sure.

00:37:56 ◼   ► I can, I just tested it because you can tell like whether it shows up in your Git diff.

00:38:01 ◼   ► Um, and yeah, if you just type some code, if you just type something and alt tab away,

00:38:05 ◼   ► sorry, Command tab away.

00:38:07 ◼   ► Um, and you know, look at like it won't.

00:38:10 ◼   ► Oh, wait a minute.

00:38:11 ◼   ► Oh my God.

00:38:12 ◼   ► Now it's there.

00:38:13 ◼   ► I'm going to tell you, it's auto saves every two seconds, doesn't it?

00:38:16 ◼   ► Gracious.

00:38:17 ◼   ► Oh my God.

00:38:18 ◼   ► It maybe did it.

00:38:19 ◼   ► This is the year of efficiency.

00:38:21 ◼   ► You can stop hitting Command S as much.

00:38:23 ◼   ► I think it might just be auto saving like whenever you switch away or do anything.

00:38:26 ◼   ► I think it's auto saving like every 10.

00:38:28 ◼   ► I think it's constantly doing it.

00:38:30 ◼   ► Oh my God.

00:38:30 ◼   ► That's amazing.

00:38:31 ◼   ► All right.

00:38:32 ◼   ► Moving on.

00:38:32 ◼   ► We'll learn something new.

00:38:33 ◼   ► Right.

00:38:34 ◼   ► All right.

00:38:34 ◼   ► Eric DeReuter writes, you can get back to the old save as model in Mac OS.

00:38:38 ◼   ► I use a hybrid of auto save and save as.

00:38:40 ◼   ► So I have the benefits of auto saving with the mental model of using save as and system

00:38:43 ◼   ► settings.

00:38:44 ◼   ► Uh, first of all, in desktop and dock, you disable closed windows when quitting an

00:38:48 ◼   ► application.

00:38:48 ◼   ► This will be in the show notes.

00:38:49 ◼   ► And I don't want to add, by the way, that setting is a thing that nobody would guess

00:38:52 ◼   ► at.

00:38:52 ◼   ► I tried to find, I think what Glenn Fleischman had an article about this, but like what, why

00:38:57 ◼   ► would you ever go to desktop and dock and look for a setting that says close windows when

00:39:01 ◼   ► quitting an application and think in any way that's going to mess with the document model,

00:39:05 ◼   ► but it is an essential part of this.

00:39:07 ◼   ► Yep.

00:39:08 ◼   ► And then secondarily in keyboard, then keyboard shortcuts, you should create an entry under

00:39:13 ◼   ► all applications for save as and assign it to command shift S. And, uh, you might want

00:39:18 ◼   ► to get a true to form ellipsis by hitting option semicolon.

00:39:21 ◼   ► Again, that will be in the show notes.

00:39:23 ◼   ► You have to, because the, the, uh, the keyboard shortcut things that works in the menu system

00:39:27 ◼   ► on the Mac, you have to write the menu item exactly as it appears in the menu.

00:39:30 ◼   ► So if you don't know how to type in ellipsis and you just type three dots, you're not going

00:39:34 ◼   ► to figure out why it's not working.

00:39:35 ◼   ► Cause it's just like a, a text-based matching thing.

00:39:38 ◼   ► Right.

00:39:38 ◼   ► I forgot about that.

00:39:39 ◼   ► Thank you.

00:39:39 ◼   ► And then finally for this portion, Emily Campbell writes, no pad plus plus on windows presents

00:39:44 ◼   ► a pretty basic text editor.

00:39:46 ◼   ► You open existing text files or make new files and they don't save unless you save them.

00:39:49 ◼   ► The tabs for each document show very clearly which style files are unsafe.

00:39:53 ◼   ► So you're never confused, but here's the best bit.

00:39:54 ◼   ► You don't need to save the files.

00:39:56 ◼   ► It will remember forever the edits you've made to the unsaved files.

00:39:59 ◼   ► It's obviously storing a copy somewhere under the hood.

00:40:02 ◼   ► If you close the file, it asks you if you want to save your changes and with the options,

00:40:05 ◼   ► save, don't save or cancel, uh, which is the close action or cancel the action of trying

00:40:10 ◼   ► to close the file.

00:40:11 ◼   ► If you close the application, it doesn't ask you anything.

00:40:14 ◼   ► It just remembers all your state without touching any of your original files.

00:40:17 ◼   ► In my ideal world, every application would work this way.

00:40:19 ◼   ► It's literally the best possible combination of both models.

00:40:22 ◼   ► It never loses any of my data, but everything feels 100% intentional.

00:40:26 ◼   ► This is how BBEdit works.

00:40:27 ◼   ► Uh, you know, like Marco was saying, like you have to hit command S because if you go refresh

00:40:31 ◼   ► in the browser, you won't see your changes if you didn't hit command S.

00:40:33 ◼   ► But I never worry about losing anything because for years and years and years, I forget when

00:40:38 ◼   ► BBEdit started doing this, but it's been many years.

00:40:40 ◼   ► I have so many, as we've discussed in the past episodes, I have so many BBEdit windows open.

00:40:45 ◼   ► Half of them have the little dot of them that they have unsaved changes or whatever.

00:40:48 ◼   ► When I quit BBEdit, it never asked me anything.

00:40:51 ◼   ► It just, it quits.

00:40:53 ◼   ► And when I launch it, every window comes back to exactly where it was.

00:40:55 ◼   ► It doesn't retain undue history across launches, which I believe TextMate did at one point.

00:41:00 ◼   ► Um, and is that a feature or a bug?

00:41:03 ◼   ► I'm just kind of used to it at this point, but this, this, I don't know if it's the best

00:41:06 ◼   ► of both worlds, but it is a system I prefer.

00:41:08 ◼   ► If you don't want autosave, but you also want sort of the quote unquote protection of autosave

00:41:13 ◼   ► BBEdit is effectively autosaving your documents off of the side everywhere, but still presenting

00:41:18 ◼   ► the model of, oh, you didn't save these changes.

00:41:21 ◼   ► So they're not going to appear in the actual file.

00:41:23 ◼   ► They're just in my file off to the side that I'm using.

00:41:25 ◼   ► And it works for untitled windows too.

00:41:26 ◼   ► Like you can have like an untitled window open for months and just use it as a scratch pad.

00:41:31 ◼   ► And every time you quit, restart, whatever, the untitled window is always exactly where

00:41:34 ◼   ► you put it size, the way you made it.

00:41:35 ◼   ► It's just there.

00:41:36 ◼   ► It's called untitled one, five, seven, two, or whatever huge numbers on there.

00:41:39 ◼   ► That's, that is a great system, especially if you love having lots of windows open.

00:41:44 ◼   ► So I'm glad to hear that notepad plus plus does that on windows.

00:41:47 ◼   ► I'm telling you the BBEdit does that on Mac and there's probably other Mac apps that do

00:41:50 ◼   ► it as well.

00:41:50 ◼   ► All right.

00:41:51 ◼   ► Finally for today, with regard to repeating reminders for Marco, Patrick DeMontel writes,

00:41:58 ◼   ► yes, DUE app is fine.

00:42:00 ◼   ► Do is fine.

00:42:01 ◼   ► But good task is what you want.

00:42:03 ◼   ► It uses the reminders data, but keeps reminding every five or otherwise configured minutes.

00:42:07 ◼   ► I am an avowed, DUE super fan.

00:42:10 ◼   ► So I'm, I personally like having a different section for all this stuff.

00:42:14 ◼   ► But if you really like the reminders app and want to just kind of supercharge it, apparently

00:42:18 ◼   ► a good task is what you need to look at.

00:42:20 ◼   ► And we'll put a link in the show notes.

00:42:21 ◼   ► I actually downloaded a good task years ago.

00:42:23 ◼   ► It was in my app store history because I believe I've been ranting about this need occasionally

00:42:27 ◼   ► for years.

00:42:29 ◼   ► It is a very involved app.

00:42:31 ◼   ► Like it does a lot and it kind of does like its own version of a lot of things.

00:42:36 ◼   ► And it's, you know, it's a full, it's a full blown, full featured app.

00:42:39 ◼   ► And that's not really what I was looking for.

00:42:41 ◼   ► I was looking for something much, much simpler that basically still like left reminders to

00:42:47 ◼   ► be reminders to a large degree or like left it like I didn't want something that added

00:42:51 ◼   ► that much on top of it.

00:42:53 ◼   ► So that's what I've been vibe coding for the last day or two.

00:42:57 ◼   ► Oh, nice.

00:42:58 ◼   ► I decided, you know what?

00:42:59 ◼   ► I need to learn these AI tools beyond just very quick little dumb tests.

00:43:03 ◼   ► Let me actually, you know, set up, I'm using Codex for this.

00:43:10 ◼   ► Like, but I first try the Xcode integration.

00:43:12 ◼   ► It's fine, but I like the full Codex app better.

00:43:15 ◼   ► So I've been using the full Codex app and it is, it has been a remarkable experience.

00:43:23 ◼   ► Um, I'm very impressed by it.

00:43:27 ◼   ► We can talk a little bit more about it now if you want.

00:43:29 ◼   ► I have, I have some thoughts, um, but suffice to say, I've made my own app to do this and

00:43:36 ◼   ► I do plan to release it.

00:43:38 ◼   ► Um, I, I don't expect there to be a lot of users necessarily because I'm making like what's

00:43:43 ◼   ► best for me.

00:43:44 ◼   ► Um, sometimes that works out and sometimes other people want it to.

00:43:48 ◼   ► That's, you know, that's not a guarantee with things I make.

00:43:51 ◼   ► Um, so it might, it might not have any other users except me.

00:43:54 ◼   ► Um, but I am, I am making it.

00:43:56 ◼   ► I am going to release it.

00:43:57 ◼   ► It's very, very simple.

00:43:57 ◼   ► It's almost done.

00:43:58 ◼   ► I basically need to make screenshots and fix one screen of, uh, kind of a bad UI.

00:44:02 ◼   ► Um, but this is exactly the kind of thing that makes me excited about AI coding.

00:44:07 ◼   ► It's exactly, you know, like what drama is making.

00:44:09 ◼   ► It's the kind of thing that if I had to do all this from scratch, I just never would have

00:44:14 ◼   ► made it like this app just wouldn't exist.

00:44:16 ◼   ► But now by lowering the bar to how much work it is to make it, I was able to make it in

00:44:23 ◼   ► like a day and a half while also doing many other things in my life.

00:44:26 ◼   ► Like it's been, you know, coming back from the vacation and catching up on everything.

00:44:30 ◼   ► Like, you know, it's been a lot and the stupid weather, like there's been a lot going on in

00:44:34 ◼   ► life.

00:44:34 ◼   ► There's just like stuff to do.

00:44:35 ◼   ► So it's not like this has taken me a day and a half of constant work.

00:44:38 ◼   ► It, this has taken me like a day and a half of occasionally like, oh, do this, do this,

00:44:42 ◼   ► do this.

00:44:42 ◼   ► And then, you know, oh, I have to do something else now and come back to it later.

00:44:46 ◼   ► Um, and it's been kind of amazing.

00:44:49 ◼   ► I guess, do we have a minute to talk about it now?

00:44:52 ◼   ► Uh, yeah.

00:44:53 ◼   ► I mean, I think we have a lot to get through, but if we can contain ourselves, you and I,

00:44:57 ◼   ► you and I did not contain ourselves about Apple watch.

00:44:59 ◼   ► So if we can contain ourselves about this, please, let's do it.

00:45:02 ◼   ► Maybe I'll save it for when I actually release it.

00:45:03 ◼   ► I will say that's a good idea.

00:45:05 ◼   ► Actually, the reason why I want to release it, um, first of all, why not?

00:45:08 ◼   ► I mean, if it can help somebody else, great.

00:45:11 ◼   ► I, again, I don't, I don't, I think it's going to be pretty specific to the way I like things

00:45:14 ◼   ► to be done, which is a bananas system that like no one else should use, but everyone else

00:45:21 ◼   ► should use more discipline and be more organized than I am.

00:45:24 ◼   ► Um, but this, this ridiculous pile, uh, helps me with my life such as it is.

00:45:29 ◼   ► Um, but also like a while back, um, I,

00:45:33 ◼   ► one of the apps that I made to learn the basics of Swift UI was called Coffee Ratio.

00:45:38 ◼   ► And it was like, whenever I go upstate to my in-laws, they have, you know, the pour over

00:45:44 ◼   ► cone and a big air pot that I brew coffee in for everybody up there.

00:45:47 ◼   ► And it's always a different number of people depending on like who's around that day and

00:45:50 ◼   ► who still wants coffee.

00:45:51 ◼   ► And I never remembered like how much, how much water to beans do I use for this number of

00:45:56 ◼   ► people or whatever.

00:45:57 ◼   ► So I just made a really simple one screen app, um, called Coffee Ratio.

00:46:00 ◼   ► And I actually made a really good icon if I can say so myself.

00:46:02 ◼   ► I don't know if it stands up today, but I liked it at the time.

00:46:05 ◼   ► This was probably four or five years ago at least.

00:46:07 ◼   ► The problem is if you make an app for yourself on your iPhone, even if you have a paid developer

00:46:15 ◼   ► account, um, the way that works is you, you know, you open it up in Xcode, you build it

00:46:19 ◼   ► and run, you deploy it to the phone.

00:46:20 ◼   ► Well, if you change phones, that app is gone.

00:46:24 ◼   ► And the only way to get it back is to go to a Mac, download the app, figure out, register

00:46:30 ◼   ► it with provisioning and, oh, turn on developer mode for, and, you know, make sure like add

00:46:35 ◼   ► that certificate to the privacy permissions thing.

00:46:39 ◼   ► So it trusts that developer account, you're, you know, and so it's a big pain that isn't

00:46:43 ◼   ► always possible.

00:46:44 ◼   ► And so when you're making little personal utility apps for yourself, for iOS, it's actually

00:46:49 ◼   ► easier to just release them to the app store than it is to try to manage that.

00:46:53 ◼   ► So like in, in many ways, like it's even if no one else ever installs it, as long as it's

00:47:00 ◼   ► something Apple will approve, it's actually way easier to just have it in the app store

00:47:05 ◼   ► than to try to manage that developer thing over time for an app that you only occasionally

00:47:09 ◼   ► use.

00:47:09 ◼   ► Um, so that's why I actually am going to release this app.

00:47:13 ◼   ► Um, you know, it's not going to become a big part of my business.

00:47:15 ◼   ► I don't think, cause I, again, I don't think it's going to fit what most people want.

00:47:18 ◼   ► Um, but it, it, it is so far fitting very well what I want.

00:47:22 ◼   ► And I've been very impressed with the AI coding and I'll get to that another time.

00:47:25 ◼   ► We are sponsored this week by Aura frames.

00:47:28 ◼   ► So if you're anything like me, you've got a gazillion photos on your phone, photos that

00:47:34 ◼   ► in a lot of cases are actually really good.

00:47:36 ◼   ► And even if they aren't really good from a photographic point of view, there are people that you really

00:47:40 ◼   ► truly love and they should live somewhere other than that, that, that phone, they should be

00:47:46 ◼   ► out in the world.

00:47:47 ◼   ► And you can think to yourself, well, you know what I'll do is I'll get one of those God awful

00:47:50 ◼   ► crappy photo frames that I used to buy 20 years ago to give as gifts that I hated because they

00:47:55 ◼   ► were ugly and the screens were worse.

00:47:57 ◼   ► Well, I have a better idea.

00:47:58 ◼   ► How about you check out Aura frames?

00:48:00 ◼   ► So imagine those crappy like digital photo frames for 20 years ago, but done to 11.

00:48:06 ◼   ► They're just done incredibly well with beautiful physical features and an incredibly good screen.

00:48:12 ◼   ► Not only that, imagine that the way you loaded this photo frame is not via an SD card or anything

00:48:18 ◼   ► like that.

00:48:18 ◼   ► It's via a really genuinely well done and well-designed iOS app or Android too.

00:48:23 ◼   ► And you can load up the photo frame remotely because it's all via the app.

00:48:28 ◼   ► And you might be thinking, oh, Casey, but I surely only get like 10 megs of storage, right?

00:48:32 ◼   ► Oh no, you get free unlimited storage.

00:48:35 ◼   ► What's more, if you're giving this as a gift, you can personalize the frame before it arrives

00:48:40 ◼   ► at the recipient's house.

00:48:42 ◼   ► And so you can, you can preload it with photos.

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00:49:28 ◼   ► So as we record this, it is Wednesday, the 25th of February.

00:49:34 ◼   ► And in a week on March 4th, Apple is going to have an experience and Apple experience.

00:49:40 ◼   ► And so Jess Weatherbed at The Verge.

00:49:43 ◼   ► Apple is hosting a special Apple experience in New York City on Wednesday, March 4th at

00:49:47 ◼   ► 9 a.m. Eastern instead of at the Apple Park location it typically uses for events.

00:49:51 ◼   ► It's also hosting press in the cities of London and Shanghai at the same time.

00:49:55 ◼   ► The invitation includes the words you're invited in an Apple logo depicted in segmented discs

00:50:00 ◼   ► of yellow, green, and blue, the rumored colors of the new low-cost MacBook.

00:50:03 ◼   ► Otherwise, it provides no hints about the purpose of the so-called experience.

00:50:06 ◼   ► However, Bloomberg's Mark Gurman has previously said that he's expecting Apple to launch a

00:50:10 ◼   ► low-cost A18 Pro chip-powered MacBook and new MacBook Airs, MacBook Pros, and Mac displays

00:50:16 ◼   ► over the course of the next several weeks alongside the iPhone 17e, a new base model iPad, and an

00:50:23 ◼   ► M4 iPad Air.

00:50:24 ◼   ► And maybe we'll even see a preview of Apple's new AI-infused Siri, which we'll find out later

00:50:29 ◼   ► is probably not so likely after all.

00:50:31 ◼   ► But yeah, this is happening a week from today.

00:50:33 ◼   ► I know I was not invited.

00:50:34 ◼   ► As far as I know, neither of you two were, right?

00:50:37 ◼   ► Okay.

00:50:37 ◼   ► Unless, I didn't hear John, but maybe...

00:50:40 ◼   ► No, I was not invited.

00:50:41 ◼   ► So they didn't mention in this story, but like a theory that I saw Gruber speculated about

00:50:47 ◼   ► and then Gurman either echo Gruber's speculation or confirm it with sources.

00:50:54 ◼   ► I couldn't really tell which, was that it would be like a week of press releases.

00:50:57 ◼   ► Like on Monday, they'd press release some stuff.

00:50:59 ◼   ► And Tuesday, they'd press release some stuff.

00:51:01 ◼   ► On Wednesday, they'd press release some stuff and then have the experience, which is why it's

00:51:04 ◼   ► not an event on the Wednesday because the idea is...

00:51:07 ◼   ► And they've done this before where they do a press release each day announcing some products

00:51:11 ◼   ► culminating in an in-person thing where presumably they'll get to have...

00:51:14 ◼   ► People who are there will get to have hands-on experiences with some hardware.

00:51:17 ◼   ► But just look at this list in the Verge thing.

00:51:19 ◼   ► That's a lot of stuff.

00:51:20 ◼   ► I mean, there is a backlog because the M4 Pro and Max MacBook Pros essentially got delayed.

00:51:25 ◼   ► They were supposed to be the end of last year and the chips weren't ready, according to

00:51:28 ◼   ► the rumors.

00:51:28 ◼   ► So they kind of get shoved out into spring.

00:51:30 ◼   ► But even if you ignore those, having new low-cost MacBook, new MacBook Air, new displays, which

00:51:38 ◼   ► in itself is a momentous event for Apple because it happens once every decade.

00:51:41 ◼   ► iPhone 17e, new base iPad, new iPad Air.

00:51:47 ◼   ► That's a lot of products, even for three days worth of press releases.

00:51:50 ◼   ► And then you add on top of that, which is what I have to assume was going to be the headlining

00:51:53 ◼   ► feature, which is our new most powerful laptops, which are our most popular.

00:51:58 ◼   ► Our laptops are the most popular Mac line.

00:52:00 ◼   ► I don't know if the most powerful laptops are the most popular.

00:52:03 ◼   ► It's really the MacBook Air is.

00:52:04 ◼   ► But anyway, the highest profile, the highest glory level of laptops are the ones with the

00:52:10 ◼   ► biggest laptop chips in them.

00:52:12 ◼   ► And this would be them.

00:52:13 ◼   ► And so it seems like it's going to be a really busy week next week.

00:52:16 ◼   ► Yeah, we'll see.

00:52:17 ◼   ► I mean, I'm very excited to see whether the low-cost MacBook is interesting.

00:52:24 ◼   ► Oh, I'm sure it'll be interesting.

00:52:26 ◼   ► It's just will it be interesting in a good or a bad way?

00:52:28 ◼   ► Well, right.

00:52:29 ◼   ► But like, you know, like there's been some rumors of like, you know, what it will cut out.

00:52:32 ◼   ► And I really did enjoy our theoretical thought experiment months ago about like, you know,

00:52:36 ◼   ► what how would we, you know, cut down or what would we expect to be cut down to make this,

00:52:41 ◼   ► you know, significantly cheaper?

00:52:42 ◼   ► Do you remember what we said?

00:52:43 ◼   ► Someone was asking about that before the show and I'm like, I've already forgotten what

00:52:46 ◼   ► we said because there was a rumor story that we don't have any notes for this episode saying

00:52:49 ◼   ► like, oh, here's what we think will be cut.

00:52:51 ◼   ► And at this point, I'm like, we'll just we'll just wait until next week.

00:52:53 ◼   ► We'll find out like there's no reason speculating further.

00:52:55 ◼   ► But we did long ago talk a lot about things we thought they could cut.

00:52:59 ◼   ► And so we'll see next week what they actually have cut.

00:53:01 ◼   ► Yeah, I believe my big thing was obviously like I was pretty sure they were going to cut

00:53:05 ◼   ► Thunderbolt.

00:53:05 ◼   ► I forget.

00:53:06 ◼   ► I forget what else.

00:53:08 ◼   ► We'll have to go back and listen to the episode to see.

00:53:10 ◼   ► And to be clear, I don't think it wasn't a predictions episode.

00:53:13 ◼   ► It was a brainstorming episode where we were like, what do we think they could cut?

00:53:17 ◼   ► Like if you had to do this, what would you cut out or what could they cut out?

00:53:20 ◼   ► It wasn't a like we're now predicting like we didn't have any inside sources and we weren't

00:53:24 ◼   ► saying this is what Apple will do.

00:53:25 ◼   ► I think we were more exploring the space of things that could be done to make a cheap laptop.

00:53:29 ◼   ► What can you remove to remove cost?

00:53:31 ◼   ► Yeah, because I remember like one of one of the things that I was kind of theorizing a lot

00:53:36 ◼   ► about was like they don't want to cannibalize sales of the MacBook Air.

00:53:39 ◼   ► And so they actually might restrict it more than they have to just so that more people don't

00:53:45 ◼   ► choose it who would have bought the Air otherwise, but just like the colors or the size

00:53:49 ◼   ► better.

00:53:49 ◼   ► So one of my theories was like they would make it app store only apps or something like

00:53:53 ◼   ► that.

00:53:53 ◼   ► I don't think they would do that really.

00:53:55 ◼   ► But like that, like I was, I was trying to figure out like what would they do to make

00:53:57 ◼   ► sure like for instance that businesses don't buy this, you know, having no video output

00:54:02 ◼   ► would be a big one.

00:54:03 ◼   ► Like so you can't connect it to projectors and stuff like that.

00:54:05 ◼   ► One of the, I know we weren't going to talk about this, but I guess now we'll have to link

00:54:08 ◼   ► it.

00:54:08 ◼   ► One of the rumors was like you can't get an SSD.

00:54:10 ◼   ► You can't get a one terabyte or larger SSD, which has been rumored today.

00:54:16 ◼   ► That's not true today of the MacBook Air.

00:54:19 ◼   ► No, no, I was saying that was rumored today.

00:54:20 ◼   ► Like that was, yeah, I know.

00:54:21 ◼   ► That's what I'm saying.

00:54:22 ◼   ► This is the story of the rumors that just came out that I guess we'll now have to link.

00:54:25 ◼   ► Sorry, Casey.

00:54:25 ◼   ► Yeah, that's right.

00:54:26 ◼   ► But it has a whole bunch of rumored things again.

00:54:28 ◼   ► I don't want to speculate, but that, that aligns with what you're saying, Marco, of like

00:54:31 ◼   ► artificial segmentation.

00:54:32 ◼   ► There's no reason you can't put a one terabyte SSD in this low cost one.

00:54:35 ◼   ► Like Apple would charge through the nose for it and it would make the price go up.

00:54:38 ◼   ► But like to your point, okay, but once you, if you, if you spec this out so that it costs

00:54:43 ◼   ► way more than a MacBook Air, wouldn't you rather have these people buying a MacBook Air?

00:54:47 ◼   ► Anyway, well, we'll see.

00:54:49 ◼   ► We'll see what they do.

00:54:50 ◼   ► There's also rumors, as you would imagine, about like how low cost will it really be now

00:54:54 ◼   ► with the RAM prices going.

00:54:55 ◼   ► That's because of the whole, you know, AI server farms and everything using all this thing.

00:54:59 ◼   ► So we'll find out next week.

00:55:01 ◼   ► Presumably they will announce pricing as well.

00:55:03 ◼   ► I'm actually most excited about the color rumors.

00:55:06 ◼   ► I mean, this Verge story mentions that there's, there's a whole bunch of rumors of it coming

00:55:10 ◼   ► in colors and what those colors might be.

00:55:11 ◼   ► And yeah, as we always do, we look at the invitation and like, does this tell us anything?

00:55:15 ◼   ► Well, it does.

00:55:16 ◼   ► It's a bunch of, like, it's got a, it's got a spectrum of colors from yellow to green

00:55:20 ◼   ► to blue.

00:55:21 ◼   ► If those are the only three colors of this thing, yellow, green, and blue, it seems weird,

00:55:27 ◼   ► but you know, I'm, I'm open to any kind of colors and laptops that are visible to the

00:55:30 ◼   ► human eye, unlike the sky blue MacBook Air, which is, it's visible to the human eye, but

00:55:35 ◼   ► it's tough.

00:55:36 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:55:37 ◼   ► Like the, at least these won't just look like weird white balance differences.

00:55:40 ◼   ► We'll see.

00:55:40 ◼   ► And maybe they will.

00:55:41 ◼   ► Maybe they'll look like pea colored white, but it's green.

00:55:43 ◼   ► Is that green or is that yellow?

00:55:45 ◼   ► Oh, and like, uh, we'll find out, but, uh, you know, there's, there's some signs of hope

00:55:49 ◼   ► with the orange iPhone 17 pro and also the rumors of the deep red iPhone 18, which maybe we'll

00:55:54 ◼   ► talk about in a future show.

00:55:55 ◼   ► So fingers crossed.

00:55:56 ◼   ► But yeah, I'm this, of all these things that they're talking about announcing, I am actually

00:55:59 ◼   ► the most interested in the low cost MacBook pro.

00:56:02 ◼   ► Cause I think it's such a, it's, it's such a good idea.

00:56:04 ◼   ► Like, I think it's a product they should make.

00:56:06 ◼   ► It's just all about X kind of like the, uh, the 16 E it's all about execution.

00:56:10 ◼   ► What do they lay out?

00:56:11 ◼   ► What do they put in?

00:56:12 ◼   ► And I still think leaving mags, I hope the 16 E was a terrible mistake.

00:56:15 ◼   ► Will they make a similar terrible mistake with this thing or will they get the balance just

00:56:19 ◼   ► right for, you know, for a, a thing that is cheaper than the MacBook air and less powerful

00:56:24 ◼   ► than the MacBook air.

00:56:25 ◼   ► But like, this is the time for that because the MacBook air is so massively overpowered

00:56:28 ◼   ► for the things that most people do with it, that there's room for this to exist.

00:56:32 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:56:32 ◼   ► I, I have, I, this is by far the product that I'm most interested in, like in seeing what

00:56:39 ◼   ► it is because it, it has all these unknowns.

00:56:41 ◼   ► And what I, what I've always hoped for this product was that it would be like, you know,

00:56:47 ◼   ► kind of like what, like the, when the 12 inch came out, um, obviously it had a lot of problems,

00:56:52 ◼   ► limitations as we've talked about at length.

00:56:54 ◼   ► Um, especially that, that damn keyboard, but, uh, you know, it had a lot of other

00:56:58 ◼   ► problems, but a lot of people bought it despite that because it was so much smaller and lighter

00:57:04 ◼   ► than everything else that we were like, that everybody was like, oh my God, I would love

00:57:08 ◼   ► a smaller Mac to fit, you know, some role in my life or just to be delightful when you pick

00:57:12 ◼   ► it up.

00:57:13 ◼   ► If this doesn't have too many significant trade-offs, I could see a lot of people, maybe

00:57:19 ◼   ► myself, like wanting it for its fun color and its small size.

00:57:24 ◼   ► That could be enough.

00:57:25 ◼   ► Like if it is, if it is a delightful looking and feeling product, many people will want it.

00:57:31 ◼   ► And so, you know, one thing that we heard a long time ago, I don't know, I don't know

00:57:34 ◼   ► if this was true.

00:57:35 ◼   ► We heard a long time ago that Phil Schiller was responsible for pushing up market some

00:57:42 ◼   ► of the details about the 12 inch Mac book.

00:57:44 ◼   ► Um, I believe things like memory capacities and stuff like that.

00:57:47 ◼   ► Like, and like he, if he apparently was like the champion of that in the company of like

00:57:51 ◼   ► making the small, the small computer, not just a bad low spec computer, but giving it like

00:57:58 ◼   ► some premium options or premium capacities.

00:58:01 ◼   ► It would be a bad high spec computer.

00:58:02 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:58:03 ◼   ► But like, because, because the idea is like, yes, some people will buy something if it's

00:58:08 ◼   ► the smallest, cheapest one, but also some people would buy a small one because it's nicer to

00:58:13 ◼   ► them in some way and they, they want it, but they would also either need or want a little

00:58:19 ◼   ► bit higher spec in some way.

00:58:20 ◼   ► So, you know, if the rumor is true that came out today that the thing maxes out at 512 gigs,

00:58:24 ◼   ► like, you know, that's going to limit some things, you know, if it, I'm sure there's only

00:58:27 ◼   ► going to be one RAM option, maybe 16, you know, we'll see how that goes.

00:58:31 ◼   ► But there, if it's a good enough product, if it's really interesting, if it's really a

00:58:36 ◼   ► visually or tactically or what, what is the tactile?

00:58:40 ◼   ► Yes.

00:58:41 ◼   ► If it's visually or tactically appealing to people, many people will buy it who don't

00:58:48 ◼   ► necessarily need to be the cheapest Mac.

00:58:50 ◼   ► They just want something that, that they can use.

00:58:53 ◼   ► And the better it is possible to spec it, the more people that will fit in its, in its

00:58:58 ◼   ► range.

00:58:59 ◼   ► So I, I, I'm very curious to see this from that point of view.

00:59:03 ◼   ► Also, I, I've been saying for a while that like one thing I was hoping for with the Apple

00:59:08 ◼   ► Silicon era was for them to make a successor or spiritual successor, at least to the 12 inch

00:59:15 ◼   ► MacBook with the Apple Silicon era.

00:59:17 ◼   ► That they really, they, they didn't, they haven't quite done that.

00:59:20 ◼   ► Like the MacBook air has been made closer to that, but it's still not close.

00:59:26 ◼   ► They still have not really flexed and shown like, what is the most amazing, very small computer

00:59:32 ◼   ► we can make with our new technology that we have now.

00:59:35 ◼   ► Um, again, the MacBook air is very good and it has very, it has been almost no compromises.

00:59:41 ◼   ► It's a great computer overall, but it's not nearly as small and light as the 12 inch was.

00:59:46 ◼   ► It's not even close.

00:59:47 ◼   ► So if they give themselves permission to make more trade-offs to say, we're going to make

00:59:54 ◼   ► a computer that's more compromised in the MacBook air, which is almost not at all compromised.

00:59:59 ◼   ► We're going to make a computer that's a little bit compromised in some ways, but that will

01:00:02 ◼   ► allow us to make something really awesome in some other form.

01:00:07 ◼   ► You know, typically the form factor, the size, the weight, um, I feel like there would be so

01:00:12 ◼   ► many fewer trade-offs required to do that now with Apple Silicon and their modern, all their

01:00:16 ◼   ► modern components and stuff.

01:00:17 ◼   ► Now I was hoping this computer would be that.

01:00:21 ◼   ► I don't know that it will be.

01:00:23 ◼   ► It sounds like it's mainly there to fill the cheap spot and they're going to, they're going

01:00:26 ◼   ► to market it a lot next week and then we'll never hear about it again.

01:00:28 ◼   ► Like that's, that's probably the more likely outcome.

01:00:30 ◼   ► Um, you know, the same, you know, similar to like when they release a new base model iPad,

01:00:35 ◼   ► you know, the new base model iPad, they sell a ton of them.

01:00:38 ◼   ► No one ever talks about them.

01:00:40 ◼   ► They're not interesting.

01:00:41 ◼   ► They do sell a lot that, you know, mostly like to schools and stuff like they sell a bunch,

01:00:45 ◼   ► but no one cares after the day it's announced.

01:00:48 ◼   ► Like if we get it one day at present, we're like, oh cool.

01:00:51 ◼   ► They've updated the new, the base iPad.

01:00:52 ◼   ► Now it's $5 cheaper and comes with the a whatever chip.

01:00:56 ◼   ► And then no one talks about it again.

01:00:58 ◼   ► I, I hope that's not what this Mac will do.

01:01:02 ◼   ► I, I fear that it is, but I hope this is actually a more interesting Mac model.

01:01:07 ◼   ► Um, and hopefully we'll know in a week.

01:01:10 ◼   ► I think it actually might, uh, have more staying power than the base iPad or even the base iMac or the iMac period,

01:01:16 ◼   ► which is a great comparison because the iMacs became colorful and they all love them, but we don't talk about them.

01:01:20 ◼   ► But we don't talk about them because nobody buys desktop Macs.

01:01:22 ◼   ► That's why we don't talk about them.

01:01:23 ◼   ► Uh, but with laptops,

01:01:25 ◼   ► I mean, why would you John?

01:01:25 ◼   ► Yeah, but, but with laptops, everybody buys laptops.

01:01:29 ◼   ► And most people I see in the world do not have a MacBook Pro.

01:01:32 ◼   ► They have a MacBook Air because it's cheaper.

01:01:34 ◼   ► It's the people buy the cheapest Mac laptop because they need a laptop.

01:01:38 ◼   ► They don't understand why they should pay thousands of dollars for a bunch of crap.

01:01:41 ◼   ► They don't understand.

01:01:42 ◼   ► So they say, well, what's the cheapest of that Mac laptop?

01:01:44 ◼   ► And then maybe they get, you know, option crawled by a salesperson into getting a bigger SSD,

01:01:49 ◼   ► which they should probably do anyway.

01:01:50 ◼   ► Let's be honest.

01:01:50 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:01:51 ◼   ► Or, you know, whatever, but mostly like base, base MacBook Airs are everywhere,

01:01:54 ◼   ► but that's because that's their cheapest laptop.

01:01:56 ◼   ► What happens when there is essentially the equivalent of an iMac,

01:02:00 ◼   ► a colorful, interesting computer that is also cheaper.

01:02:03 ◼   ► Assuming it is not compromised in a terrible way that everybody hates.

01:02:07 ◼   ► I can see it being very popular based on the fact that it is colored.

01:02:11 ◼   ► And unlike the iMacs, it's not a situation where it's like,

01:02:15 ◼   ► well, I was never going to buy a desktop anyway.

01:02:16 ◼   ► So yeah, they're cute and everything, but who cares?

01:02:18 ◼   ► Because this is very relevant to people's lives.

01:02:20 ◼   ► But it all depends on like,

01:02:21 ◼   ► what are the balance of features and price that this thing comes out with?

01:02:24 ◼   ► And in terms of the size,

01:02:25 ◼   ► the rumor is that the screen will be a little bit smaller,

01:02:27 ◼   ► like diagonally a little bit smaller,

01:02:28 ◼   ► but I don't, haven't seen any rumors saying one way or the other about like,

01:02:32 ◼   ► will it be thinner?

01:02:33 ◼   ► Because I feel like they could make it thinner

01:02:35 ◼   ► because an A18 Pro is going to be even less hot than an M anything.

01:02:39 ◼   ► So you have the space to make it thinner,

01:02:41 ◼   ► but to the point of the Phil Schiller thing before.

01:02:43 ◼   ► But is that,

01:02:44 ◼   ► can you make it thinner and cheaper?

01:02:46 ◼   ► Like,

01:02:47 ◼   ► I'm not sure that they're going to go for the old 12 inch MacBook.

01:02:51 ◼   ► Like this is the,

01:02:52 ◼   ► this is the thing that fits inside underscore David Smith's inside jacket pocket.

01:02:56 ◼   ► Like if they can do that and also make it cheaply.

01:02:58 ◼   ► And that's one of the rumors,

01:02:59 ◼   ► by the way,

01:02:59 ◼   ► they've come up with some new process for making the unibody aluminum case.

01:03:02 ◼   ► That is also cheaper.

01:03:03 ◼   ► I way to pull costs out of the thing,

01:03:05 ◼   ► but I just like the thinnest you can possibly make.

01:03:08 ◼   ► It tends not to be a cost saving maneuver.

01:03:12 ◼   ► So we'll see.

01:03:12 ◼   ► Like they have some inherent thinness savings by using an A level chip.

01:03:17 ◼   ► I feel like,

01:03:18 ◼   ► cause you know,

01:03:18 ◼   ► you're producing less heat,

01:03:19 ◼   ► right?

01:03:19 ◼   ► So that is in there.

01:03:20 ◼   ► But I don't know if they're going to really push it because again,

01:03:24 ◼   ► you do need room for the battery and everything.

01:03:25 ◼   ► I don't want them to use scout batteries again or something.

01:03:28 ◼   ► Cause that's also expensive.

01:03:29 ◼   ► So we'll see.

01:03:30 ◼   ► It'll be very,

01:03:30 ◼   ► very interesting computer and multiple fronts.

01:03:32 ◼   ► And then I guess the 17 E is in there as well.

01:03:34 ◼   ► Like,

01:03:34 ◼   ► cause you know,

01:03:35 ◼   ► again,

01:03:35 ◼   ► 16 E I think should absolutely have had MagSafe.

01:03:37 ◼   ► Will the 17 E have MagSafe?

01:03:39 ◼   ► Will they fix that one mistake?

01:03:41 ◼   ► We'll see.

01:03:41 ◼   ► You know,

01:03:42 ◼   ► can you,

01:03:42 ◼   ► can you imagine if the new low cost MacBook also offered a cellular chip?

01:03:49 ◼   ► I will say outright,

01:03:51 ◼   ► I don't think that'll happen.

01:03:52 ◼   ► I don't think that'll happen.

01:03:53 ◼   ► That doesn't seem like a low cost option,

01:03:55 ◼   ► but I,

01:03:55 ◼   ► you know,

01:03:55 ◼   ► I can see where you're out there hoping for it.

01:03:57 ◼   ► Well,

01:03:58 ◼   ► like if,

01:03:58 ◼   ► if this rumor is true that like they're only using one NAND chip,

01:04:01 ◼   ► they're not even using their own wifi chip.

01:04:03 ◼   ► There's no way.

01:04:04 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:04:05 ◼   ► They're not even using the,

01:04:06 ◼   ► the rumor they're not even using the N1 makes me say no,

01:04:08 ◼   ► see anything in there either.

01:04:10 ◼   ► Agreed.

01:04:10 ◼   ► Agreed.

01:04:11 ◼   ► No,

01:04:11 ◼   ► I,

01:04:11 ◼   ► again,

01:04:11 ◼   ► I'm not trying to say I expect this,

01:04:13 ◼   ► but holy cow,

01:04:14 ◼   ► that would be so hilarious to watch Marco and I have a crisis of whatever.

01:04:18 ◼   ► As we look at this,

01:04:19 ◼   ► Marco would buy one instantly.

01:04:21 ◼   ► But you know,

01:04:24 ◼   ► it's here's something that's like pretty underpowered and arguably not very

01:04:27 ◼   ► good in a lot of ways.

01:04:28 ◼   ► And yeah,

01:04:29 ◼   ► we'll see how underpowered it is.

01:04:30 ◼   ► We'll see.

01:04:30 ◼   ► I mean,

01:04:30 ◼   ► I don't anticipate them making like a cellular nanotexture version of this with a

01:04:35 ◼   ► one terabyte SSD and 64 gigs of Ram for me.

01:04:38 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:04:39 ◼   ► They would be amazing though.

01:04:40 ◼   ► Uh,

01:04:41 ◼   ► no,

01:04:41 ◼   ► just very briefly to kind of build on what Marco was saying earlier.

01:04:44 ◼   ► I had a 12 inch Mac book.

01:04:45 ◼   ► I think underscore and I were the two biggest 12 inch Mac book fans and possibly the only

01:04:50 ◼   ► 12 inch Mac book fans.

01:04:51 ◼   ► You guys are Matt Alexander.

01:04:52 ◼   ► Yeah,

01:04:53 ◼   ► that's right.

01:04:54 ◼   ► That's right.

01:04:54 ◼   ► Uh,

01:04:54 ◼   ► but I love that thing.

01:04:55 ◼   ► Like it was a piece of trash.

01:04:56 ◼   ► It was one of those things like when it was brand new,

01:04:58 ◼   ► it was awful,

01:04:59 ◼   ► but I loved it because especially compared to the contemporary machines at the time,

01:05:05 ◼   ► it was impossibly thin and impossibly light.

01:05:09 ◼   ► And the fact that it was woefully underpowered and the fact that to my recollection,

01:05:14 ◼   ► the battery power,

01:05:14 ◼   ► the battery life was not great.

01:05:16 ◼   ► And more than anything else,

01:05:17 ◼   ► it had only one USB-C port,

01:05:19 ◼   ► not Thunderbolt,

01:05:20 ◼   ► mind you,

01:05:20 ◼   ► USB-C port,

01:05:22 ◼   ► which made everything difficult.

01:05:24 ◼   ► I still love that computer.

01:05:26 ◼   ► I absolutely adored that computer because it felt portable in a way that no other computer

01:05:33 ◼   ► I've ever owned has ever felt that portable.

01:05:35 ◼   ► Aaron has an M1 MacBook Air.

01:05:36 ◼   ► I also really liked that computer,

01:05:38 ◼   ► but it feels like a boat compared to the,

01:05:42 ◼   ► uh,

01:05:42 ◼   ► the 12 inch Mac book.

01:05:43 ◼   ► It was just unbelievably light and cool and fun.

01:05:47 ◼   ► And I would love for them to go that route,

01:05:49 ◼   ► but I think this is just going to be something that's smaller and cheaper and mostly unremarkable.

01:05:54 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:05:55 ◼   ► Just to give some,

01:05:55 ◼   ► to give some perspective.

01:05:56 ◼   ► So the current 14 inch Mac book pro is 3.5 pounds.

01:06:03 ◼   ► The 13 inch Mac book air is 2.7.

01:06:07 ◼   ► The 12 inch Mac book was 2.0.

01:06:09 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:06:09 ◼   ► That's a big difference.

01:06:10 ◼   ► That's a huge difference.

01:06:12 ◼   ► That is like,

01:06:12 ◼   ► it's about the same difference between the 14 inch and the 13 inch air.

01:06:16 ◼   ► So like it's,

01:06:17 ◼   ► it's about that same difference,

01:06:18 ◼   ► but like in,

01:06:18 ◼   ► in relative terms compared to the air,

01:06:21 ◼   ► it's even bigger,

01:06:21 ◼   ► like 2.7 to 2.0.

01:06:24 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:06:25 ◼   ► That's a huge difference.

01:06:27 ◼   ► Absolutely.

01:06:28 ◼   ► And nothing else has come close.

01:06:29 ◼   ► The,

01:06:29 ◼   ► the 11 inch,

01:06:30 ◼   ► the old 11 inch Mac book air,

01:06:32 ◼   ► I think was a 2.3 or 2.4 or something like that.

01:06:34 ◼   ► Um,

01:06:34 ◼   ► so that was kind of,

01:06:35 ◼   ► that was kind of between the two.

01:06:36 ◼   ► Um,

01:06:37 ◼   ► but yeah,

01:06:37 ◼   ► 2.0 pounds.

01:06:39 ◼   ► Nothing has been like that.

01:06:40 ◼   ► I mean,

01:06:41 ◼   ► now,

01:06:41 ◼   ► I mean,

01:06:41 ◼   ► if you have,

01:06:42 ◼   ► I think if you have an 11 inch iPad with a magic keyboard,

01:06:46 ◼   ► I think you're somewhere above that.

01:06:48 ◼   ► I think the 11 inch iPad,

01:06:50 ◼   ► cause like that's,

01:06:51 ◼   ► you know,

01:06:51 ◼   ► I think part of Apple marketing's argument,

01:06:53 ◼   ► um,

01:06:54 ◼   ► in the meantime has basically been that the 11 inch iPad covers that role and it sort of does,

01:06:59 ◼   ► but it doesn't cover it well.

01:07:01 ◼   ► It doesn't cover it nearly as well as the 12 inch did for people who wanted that kind of form factor.

01:07:06 ◼   ► It's not the same.

01:07:07 ◼   ► The,

01:07:08 ◼   ► the magic keyboard and iPad is a brick.

01:07:11 ◼   ► I do love the magic keyboard and iPad combination,

01:07:13 ◼   ► but you're right.

01:07:14 ◼   ► It is not light by any imagine,

01:07:15 ◼   ► by any stretch of the imagination.

01:07:17 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:07:18 ◼   ► I'm excited to see how next week turns out.

01:07:19 ◼   ► Uh,

01:07:20 ◼   ► I'm very curious to see what they do launch,

01:07:22 ◼   ► what they do announce.

01:07:22 ◼   ► Uh,

01:07:23 ◼   ► I'm starting to get a little bit of the itch to replace my M3 MacBook Pro and my M3 Max MacBook Pro,

01:07:29 ◼   ► only a teeny bit because it's really an incredible computer and I have nothing to complain about.

01:07:34 ◼   ► See also my car.

01:07:35 ◼   ► Um,

01:07:35 ◼   ► but I'm starting to get a little bit of the itch.

01:07:38 ◼   ► So I'm starting to kind of think to myself,

01:07:40 ◼   ► well,

01:07:40 ◼   ► maybe,

01:07:40 ◼   ► and I don't think this is happening next week,

01:07:42 ◼   ► but when the like OLED touchscreen allegedly launches,

01:07:45 ◼   ► I think German has most recently said at the end of the year,

01:07:47 ◼   ► maybe I'll do something then so I can try the touchscreen,

01:07:50 ◼   ► even though I don't think there's anything about that,

01:07:53 ◼   ► that like,

01:07:53 ◼   ► I don't want a touchscreen MacBook Pro,

01:07:55 ◼   ► but I feel like for the show,

01:07:56 ◼   ► if nothing else,

01:07:57 ◼   ► I need to get one and try it.

01:07:58 ◼   ► So we'll see what happens.

01:07:59 ◼   ► But I'm very excited for next weekend to see,

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01:08:02 ◼   ► you know,

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01:08:05 ◼   ► I'm still excited to see what Apple has to say.

01:08:07 ◼   ► So we'll see.

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01:10:11 ◼   ► Apple apparently has been planning to and continues to plan to make some Mac Minis in the United States.

01:10:18 ◼   ► They put up a newsroom post about this as we record this thing yesterday, the day before yesterday.

01:10:23 ◼   ► Yeah, yesterday.

01:10:24 ◼   ► So Apple on February 24th announced a significant expansion of factory operations in Houston.

01:10:29 ◼   ► Sorry, I'm reading from the newsroom post.

01:10:30 ◼   ► Bringing the future production of Mac Mini to the U.S. for the first time.

01:10:34 ◼   ► The company will also expand advanced AI server manufacturing at the factory

01:10:38 ◼   ► and provide hands-on training at its new advanced manufacturing center beginning later this year.

01:10:43 ◼   ► This newsroom post was mostly unremarkable.

01:10:46 ◼   ► Basically, hey, some of the Mac Minis are going to build here.

01:10:48 ◼   ► Which ones?

01:10:48 ◼   ► Who knows?

01:10:49 ◼   ► But it's going to happen.

01:10:50 ◼   ► But John, you had found, and maybe somebody pointed it to you.

01:10:54 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:10:54 ◼   ► But you had found a Wall Street Journal video that I think was like 8 to 10 minutes,

01:10:59 ◼   ► somewhere in that neck of the woods.

01:11:00 ◼   ► There's also an article.

01:11:01 ◼   ► We'll put a link to the article in the video in the show notes.

01:11:03 ◼   ► But the video was fascinating.

01:11:05 ◼   ► Can you tell me about this?

01:11:06 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:11:06 ◼   ► So this is clearly like Apple invited Wall Street Journal to come, you know,

01:11:10 ◼   ► to pair with their press release.

01:11:11 ◼   ► And again, the press release is we're going to be making some Mac Minis in the U.S. eventually.

01:11:15 ◼   ► Just before we get to the video, just to talk about that.

01:11:18 ◼   ► Obviously, you look at that through the lens of like, you know,

01:11:21 ◼   ► appeasement to the Trump administration or whatever.

01:11:23 ◼   ► But setting all that aside, it's a good idea in general for Apple to try to make some stuff

01:11:29 ◼   ► in places other than China.

01:11:31 ◼   ► They're increasing their manufacturing in India a lot.

01:11:34 ◼   ► And there's some tension on that with China trying to do things that stops Apple from

01:11:37 ◼   ► increasing their manufacturing in India.

01:11:39 ◼   ► And yes, manufacturing in the U.S. is much more difficult for a variety of reasons, but it

01:11:45 ◼   ► is a good idea for Apple to try.

01:11:47 ◼   ► And historically, it has always been paired with this distasteful appeasement of the Trump

01:11:51 ◼   ► administration.

01:11:52 ◼   ► But setting that aside, no matter who is president, I think it's a good idea for Apple to try this.

01:11:57 ◼   ► They can only do it for really low volume, simple to manufacture products, yada, yada.

01:12:03 ◼   ► But you're never going to get anywhere if you don't start somewhere.

01:12:07 ◼   ► So yes, do make trashcan Mac Pros in Texas or the bigger Mac Pros, which was also in Texas.

01:12:15 ◼   ► I guess they do everything in Texas, probably for tax reasons.

01:12:18 ◼   ► Yes, do try to make some Mac Minis here.

01:12:20 ◼   ► Not all the Mac Minis, but just some of them.

01:12:22 ◼   ► I think it's a thing they should do.

01:12:24 ◼   ► And this video is part of their PR push for this.

01:12:28 ◼   ► And so like, I don't poo-poo this just because it's a also a bonus appeasement of the Trump

01:12:33 ◼   ► administration.

01:12:34 ◼   ► I think it's a good idea.

01:12:35 ◼   ► Please do try to do this.

01:12:37 ◼   ► Figure out.

01:12:37 ◼   ► It's not a good position for us to be in where all the manufacturing is concentrated in one

01:12:43 ◼   ► place.

01:12:43 ◼   ► And it's not a good position to remove all the manufacturing from our own country.

01:12:47 ◼   ► These are some skills we should have.

01:12:48 ◼   ► Presumably, these can, you know.

01:12:50 ◼   ► Anyway, that's my position on the manufacturing angle, which is what Apple's promoting.

01:12:54 ◼   ► But the video is interesting for many different reasons.

01:12:58 ◼   ► Very quickly, before we get to the video, I'm sorry.

01:13:00 ◼   ► A friend of mine pointed out to me an Apple Insider article from, I guess, yesterday as well,

01:13:04 ◼   ► which says, I didn't prep for this for the show, and I apologize.

01:13:09 ◼   ► But my recollection is that it said, basically, this was planned during the Biden administration.

01:13:13 ◼   ► Now, obviously, they're really ramping all the rhetoric up because of the idiot in charge.

01:13:19 ◼   ► But this is this has been in the works for a fair bit of time.

01:13:22 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:13:22 ◼   ► Like these things don't happen.

01:13:23 ◼   ► And like it's in general, it's a good idea like to start moving down this path to try to

01:13:28 ◼   ► do more manufacturing here.

01:13:30 ◼   ► And the fact that they're taking their PR wins for it or whatever and as a political advantage,

01:13:35 ◼   ► like it's the least of the least of the bad things they're doing.

01:13:37 ◼   ► But I think this is a good idea.

01:13:39 ◼   ► Please do try to make stuff in the US, figure out where the gaps are, and we'll talk about

01:13:42 ◼   ► that in overtime.

01:13:43 ◼   ► And let's shore up our ability to do things that we think, you know, manufacture things

01:13:48 ◼   ► that, you know, we think we should be able to manufacture here.

01:13:51 ◼   ► The video is, you know, it's a companion to the press release.

01:13:56 ◼   ► Let's invite the Wall Street Journal and let's just take them on a little tour of a bunch of

01:13:59 ◼   ► stuff.

01:13:59 ◼   ► And it doesn't just cover what Apple is doing.

01:14:01 ◼   ► It covers a bunch of stuff in the region of like tech, high tech manufacturing stuff.

01:14:08 ◼   ► And as some people put in the chat room, this is mostly like final assembly and stuff, but

01:14:11 ◼   ► they're, but not entirely.

01:14:12 ◼   ► Like, so one of the things they talk about is a silicon wafer factory in Texas that makes

01:14:18 ◼   ► the, if you've ever seen this process, it's not as cool as the ASML machines that we talked

01:14:22 ◼   ► about before, but still when they get these big disks that they print the chips onto those

01:14:26 ◼   ► silicon wafers, how do they get the wafer?

01:14:28 ◼   ► And the process is delightfully analog in that they melt down a bunch of silicon and

01:14:33 ◼   ► then goop it out into a big cylinder.

01:14:35 ◼   ► And it ends with like a little like soft serve tip on the top of it.

01:14:39 ◼   ► It's molten.

01:14:40 ◼   ► You know, when you get soft serve and they turn off the machine and it makes that little

01:14:42 ◼   ► tip, it does that.

01:14:44 ◼   ► But with, but with silicon, it's fascinating to look at.

01:14:47 ◼   ► It's this lumpy, it's like the most imprecise wavy lumpy thing you've ever seen to make the

01:14:51 ◼   ► most precise things that human beings make on top of it.

01:14:53 ◼   ► So that's fun.

01:14:55 ◼   ► And the Apple angle there is, so there's this company, um, what is it called?

01:14:58 ◼   ► Global wafers, no space, capital G, capital W.

01:15:01 ◼   ► It's a Taiwan based company, but they have manufacturing facilities in Texas and Apple, I forget.

01:15:08 ◼   ► I didn't get the details.

01:15:08 ◼   ► I put it, I put scare quotes.

01:15:10 ◼   ► Apple encourages its suppliers to buy wafers from the global wafer manufacturing facility in

01:15:18 ◼   ► Texas.

01:15:18 ◼   ► Again, this is not a U S company.

01:15:19 ◼   ► This is a Taiwan based company, but they do manufacture the wafers in Texas.

01:15:23 ◼   ► So Apple gets TSMC to buy their wafers from global wafers in Texas.

01:15:29 ◼   ► So they ship the wafers from Texas to Taiwan and then TSMC with its machines from ASML and

01:15:35 ◼   ► wherever they were, it was the Netherlands, I think like, anyway, it's, it's a global operation,

01:15:39 ◼   ► but like Apple is doing this because they're trying to build up more of a manufacturing base

01:15:44 ◼   ► in the U S and they really are global wafers really is manufacturing these wafers in Texas.

01:15:49 ◼   ► Like they're not just final assembly or anything.

01:15:51 ◼   ► Same thing with the TSMC, Arizona plants, which I've had stuff in the show notes for, I think

01:15:54 ◼   ► it's probably over a year now.

01:15:55 ◼   ► Maybe we'll get to it eventually, but suffice it to say TSMC, another Taiwanese company is

01:16:01 ◼   ► building huge plants in Arizona to make stuff that it's just not cutting edge.

01:16:05 ◼   ► Like they're building the a 16 there and a bunch of other stuff that's on older processes.

01:16:08 ◼   ► Um, but anyway, this is what Apple is there.

01:16:10 ◼   ► They're throwing the weight around to try to do things like TSMC would otherwise not

01:16:15 ◼   ► be motivated to buy wafers from Texas.

01:16:18 ◼   ► It's far away from Taiwan.

01:16:19 ◼   ► Why would we buy wafers from you?

01:16:20 ◼   ► If there's someplace closer where we can get them probably for cheaper, why wouldn't we do

01:16:23 ◼   ► that?

01:16:24 ◼   ► But Apple through its deals apparently is using its weight to make that happen.

01:16:28 ◼   ► So that's interesting.

01:16:29 ◼   ► Another thing that is in this video thrown out as a fact with no sourcing, but it's a wall

01:16:35 ◼   ► street journal video, but just saying like, they didn't even say like Apple told us or

01:16:39 ◼   ► whatever they just said flat out, Apple sells fewer than 1 million Mac minis per year.

01:16:43 ◼   ► Like does Apple know you're saying that?

01:16:45 ◼   ► Cause Apple never tells you how much they sell of anything anymore.

01:16:48 ◼   ► They used to years and years ago in earnings calls, tell you like break down their product

01:16:51 ◼   ► lines.

01:16:51 ◼   ► And they said, why are we doing that?

01:16:52 ◼   ► We're not going to tell you, we're not going to tell you anything about how we can

01:16:55 ◼   ► try to back solve good luck, but we're never going to tell you how many MacBook airs, how

01:16:58 ◼   ► many MacBook pros, how many, you know, like they do not break down their stuff like

01:17:02 ◼   ► that.

01:17:02 ◼   ► But I found it fascinating to like, cause that's a small number of Macs.

01:17:05 ◼   ► I obviously max don't sell as many as iPhones, but less than a million.

01:17:09 ◼   ► First of all, that could be 10, that could be 900,000 less than a million.

01:17:12 ◼   ► But like, were you both, any of you shocked by this number?

01:17:15 ◼   ► I, I would have put the number of Mac minis at way higher than that.

01:17:18 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:17:18 ◼   ► I was surprised by that.

01:17:20 ◼   ► I mean, I don't know if this, this keeps, um, this, uh, includes the current, uh, open

01:17:25 ◼   ► claw, like surgeon Mac mini sales.

01:17:28 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:17:28 ◼   ► Right.

01:17:28 ◼   ► But, but yeah, that's, that's not a lot of Mac minis.

01:17:31 ◼   ► Uh, another thing that I found exciting in this video is when they, so like there's this

01:17:35 ◼   ► press release, oh, we're going to be making Mac minis or whatever.

01:17:37 ◼   ► And they do on these tours, they did a tour of like, uh, the global wafers factory and they,

01:17:41 ◼   ► they, they show video of the Arizona TSMC stuff.

01:17:43 ◼   ► And then they also go into the place where they'll be manufacturing the Mac minis and

01:17:48 ◼   ► it's a giant empty warehouse because nothing is there and it really undercuts the press

01:17:52 ◼   ► release.

01:17:52 ◼   ► It's like, we're going to be making some Mac minis in the U S and here's where we're going

01:17:56 ◼   ► to do it.

01:17:56 ◼   ► I'm like, oh, in this big empty room.

01:17:58 ◼   ► It's like, well, it won't be empty eventually, but suffice it to say, it's not like the tomorrow

01:18:04 ◼   ► they're going to put the lever and Mac minis will start coming out.

01:18:06 ◼   ► It's a giant empty building.

01:18:07 ◼   ► So still they have to put the stuff in that building and hire the people who work in

01:18:13 ◼   ► the building to make some of the 1 million Mac minis that they sell per year, less than

01:18:17 ◼   ► 1 million Mac minis that they sell per year.

01:18:19 ◼   ► So I feel like that part of their press tour was ill-considered.

01:18:23 ◼   ► Don't show me the empty factory for the thing you just announced.

01:18:25 ◼   ► Um, but the most exciting part for me, uh, and the part that, of course they talked about

01:18:30 ◼   ► the least was, and they mentioned it in this press release of like, uh, where did it say

01:18:34 ◼   ► in the press release?

01:18:34 ◼   ► Like they were also increasing their, uh, AI server manufacturing at the factory.

01:18:39 ◼   ► They're already doing this.

01:18:39 ◼   ► Like this is rumored and Apple's, we, we build AI.

01:18:43 ◼   ► AI servers that run, you know, private cloud compute, presumably or whatever, but like

01:18:47 ◼   ► they're calling them AI servers, not just servers.

01:18:50 ◼   ► Right.

01:18:50 ◼   ► So they're built.

01:18:50 ◼   ► Why would Apple ever build his own servers?

01:18:52 ◼   ► Well, the rumor was they were putting M2 ultras in them to run AI workloads.

01:18:56 ◼   ► And that was their private cloud compute thing or whatever.

01:18:58 ◼   ► And everyone was like, what are these Apple servers?

01:19:01 ◼   ► Like what, what, you know, we know nothing about them other than they supposedly exist.

01:19:05 ◼   ► Even Apple wouldn't tell us what they're running.

01:19:07 ◼   ► I don't think they ever mentioned anything.

01:19:08 ◼   ► It was just rumors about what, what's in them.

01:19:10 ◼   ► This video shows you Apple servers being assembled at this factory.

01:19:15 ◼   ► And so I'm going through the video and freeze framing and like the whole street journal article

01:19:19 ◼   ► has all the press things.

01:19:20 ◼   ► I'm like, what are these things?

01:19:21 ◼   ► What is in an Apple server?

01:19:23 ◼   ► Do they look like Apple hardware?

01:19:24 ◼   ► And, um, I have a bunch of images in the show notes, but just go watch the video.

01:19:28 ◼   ► We're just going to link the video.

01:19:29 ◼   ► Cause these are all essentially screen captures from the video, all the world or the wall

01:19:32 ◼   ► street journal article.

01:19:33 ◼   ► John went full zipruder or however you pronounce it on this.

01:19:36 ◼   ► It's hilarious.

01:19:36 ◼   ► And by the way, it looks like the answer is they have eight ultra chips in each one in

01:19:40 ◼   ► about what looks like about a three or four you tall case, uh, to you maybe that may be

01:19:45 ◼   ► too.

01:19:45 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:19:45 ◼   ► And also the answer to the question of whether this looks like, uh, an X serve.

01:19:50 ◼   ► No, no, it is not a beautiful Apple piece of machinery.

01:19:53 ◼   ► Like I may, I maybe it's, but you know what, what's funny about it though, is like it, like

01:19:57 ◼   ► have you seen other servers?

01:19:59 ◼   ► Like if you compare this to like a super micro or whatever, this is way prettier than those.

01:20:03 ◼   ► Everything is symmetrical.

01:20:05 ◼   ► Everything lines up.

01:20:06 ◼   ► Everything is like centered and a lot.

01:20:08 ◼   ► It's like, it's not, it's not outside the realm, but there are some, I've seen servers

01:20:12 ◼   ► that look equivalently good, but the point is it is not the X serve.

01:20:15 ◼   ► The X serve was styled by Apple's industrial design group to look nicer.

01:20:20 ◼   ► than any other server you've ever seen.

01:20:21 ◼   ► This looks like basically slightly better than average rack mount system.

01:20:26 ◼   ► So to give you an example, this is way better than the ones I've seen.

01:20:29 ◼   ► It has holes for ventilation on the front and the back as servers do, because they bring in

01:20:33 ◼   ► the cold air from one side and they shoot out hot air on the other side.

01:20:36 ◼   ► You got the hot aisles and the cold aisles and the holes are just, it's a flat piece of

01:20:40 ◼   ► metal with holes in it.

01:20:41 ◼   ► Apple doesn't do that anymore.

01:20:42 ◼   ► Every hole that Apple makes has to be, they're completely hidden.

01:20:46 ◼   ► Like it is on like the, the studios or whatever, or like carefully machined and

01:20:50 ◼   ► made aesthetically.

01:20:50 ◼   ► Nope.

01:20:51 ◼   ► These are just the normal holes you would see.

01:20:53 ◼   ► Like there's no real branding or styling of it at all.

01:20:58 ◼   ► It's just like bent pieces of metal as it should, because it's a serve.

01:21:00 ◼   ► I'm not saying it should be fancy looking, but it's fascinating to see that when Apple

01:21:03 ◼   ► makes stuff for their own internal use, they don't necessarily deploy the full force of their

01:21:07 ◼   ► hardware design group to make them beautiful for such a utilitarian thing.

01:21:11 ◼   ► But then, yeah, as Marco pointed out, you get to see what's inside them.

01:21:14 ◼   ► And there's very clearly eight little things in there that look like presumably each one

01:21:20 ◼   ► of those eight things is like a computer unit of some kind, maybe each one.

01:21:23 ◼   ► There are eight giant heat sinks, and it looks like heat sinks for ultra class chips.

01:21:29 ◼   ► Yeah, they look, they're big.

01:21:30 ◼   ► Like the heat sinks are large.

01:21:32 ◼   ► Like if you look at the guts of a Mac Pro with the ultra chip in it, like it's kind of, it

01:21:35 ◼   ► kind of looks like that.

01:21:36 ◼   ► I do wonder if it's not two chips under each one of them because they're kind of split in

01:21:40 ◼   ► the middle.

01:21:40 ◼   ► But, uh, but yeah, it's, it's, it's weird that they allowed video crews, but you can

01:21:44 ◼   ► see them assembling, you see them sticking things into it.

01:21:46 ◼   ► You can see like the presumably redundant power supplies and all like, you know, how, how large

01:21:51 ◼   ► the things are and them sliding into the racks and all this other stuff.

01:21:54 ◼   ► Uh, and you know, of course the Wall Street Journal people have no interest in this.

01:21:57 ◼   ► This is totally only of, uh, interest to like, uh, you know, uh, hardware nerds who are

01:22:02 ◼   ► interested, like what kind of things is Apple making for itself?

01:22:05 ◼   ► Especially if you were like an XServe fan, when Apple stopped making for people who don't

01:22:09 ◼   ► remember this long ago, Apple used to sell rack mount server hardware that they made themselves

01:22:13 ◼   ► and advertised on their website.

01:22:14 ◼   ► Um, and they stopped, they got out of that business, but now they're back into making hardware

01:22:20 ◼   ► just for their own because you can't buy these.

01:22:22 ◼   ► No one is buying these.

01:22:23 ◼   ► I mean, they're just Apple manufactures them for itself to put it in its own data centers.

01:22:28 ◼   ► And as Marco had talked about in the, uh, earlier episode, we'll see how long that lasts

01:22:32 ◼   ► with, uh, with the Google deal and them running on the, uh, Google's TPUs and everything like

01:22:36 ◼   ► that.

01:22:36 ◼   ► But here they are in the flesh running off the assembly line and Apple says it's expanding

01:22:41 ◼   ► this manufacturing.

01:22:41 ◼   ► So for, for the right now, anyway, they're building more and more of these things.

01:22:45 ◼   ► And I think they're fascinating, especially since like if you got one of these, if it really

01:22:50 ◼   ► has eight ultras inside it, first of all, it's an expensive computer, obviously.

01:22:53 ◼   ► And second of all, how do you address those eight ultras?

01:22:57 ◼   ► Does it present as eight individual addressable?

01:23:01 ◼   ► Like, is it running eight copies of the OS or is there one copy of some of OS that's running

01:23:06 ◼   ► the, that's powering all?

01:23:07 ◼   ► Like, I just would love to know everything about these.

01:23:10 ◼   ► Are they running Linux against the, the ultras?

01:23:12 ◼   ► Oh, I bet that's all.

01:23:13 ◼   ► My best guess is that each one of these eight units is basically like a Mac studio with an

01:23:19 ◼   ► ultra like re re-engineered to fit into this enclosure and they're just eight individual

01:23:25 ◼   ► computers.

01:23:25 ◼   ► And they're just addressable.

01:23:26 ◼   ► Like how, like how are they addressed?

01:23:28 ◼   ► Like what is the KVM like interface into situation?

01:23:30 ◼   ► Like, are they, are they completely controlled from the command line?

01:23:33 ◼   ► Is there a virtual display thing running on them?

01:23:35 ◼   ► Like, like, because, you know, as Marco will talk about in some future episode, I'm sure

01:23:39 ◼   ► like, even though Apple makes lots of things that people like put in racks, like the little

01:23:42 ◼   ► Mac minis and everything, they're not really designed to be headless computers.

01:23:47 ◼   ► There's, there's lots of affordances to make you be able to use them that way.

01:23:49 ◼   ► But when you have like a rack mount Linux server, like at no point are you bringing up like a

01:23:53 ◼   ► virtual screen on the thing to do anything.

01:23:54 ◼   ► Like you don't even bring up the console these days, unless you're like really in deep doo-doo

01:23:58 ◼   ► trying to debug something in the data center.

01:24:00 ◼   ► So I've just loved how, I know how they manage fleets of these things when every, like, what

01:24:06 ◼   ► is this like a two or three U rack mount thing with eight individual virtual Mac studios.

01:24:14 ◼   ► Like, how do they present themselves?

01:24:15 ◼   ► Like, what are their, you know, what OS do they run?

01:24:18 ◼   ► Are they running a custom variant?

01:24:19 ◼   ► Anyway, if you want to stare at the frames in the video and see if you can discern anything,

01:24:23 ◼   ► check out the Wall Street Journal video.

01:24:24 ◼   ► Fascinating brief glimpse into the inside world of Apple hardware that no one can ever buy.

01:24:30 ◼   ► I mean, OS, I'm sure it's probably just running the private cloud compute, you know, server

01:24:35 ◼   ► like OS, whatever that is.

01:24:37 ◼   ► Well, I know they gave that to security researchers, but how do, I don't know how security researchers

01:24:42 ◼   ► like run it.

01:24:43 ◼   ► Like, is that entirely headless?

01:24:44 ◼   ► Do they run it?

01:24:45 ◼   ► And I don't understand that whole situation.

01:24:48 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:24:49 ◼   ► Well, if you have insider information, please feel free to reach out.

01:24:52 ◼   ► We're good for it.

01:24:52 ◼   ► I promise.

01:24:53 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:24:53 ◼   ► There's seven people who know how Apple's rack mount AI servers work.

01:24:56 ◼   ► Please tell us.

01:24:57 ◼   ► You never know.

01:24:57 ◼   ► Normally our beat is we get rumors about like USB ports and stuff like this.

01:25:02 ◼   ► This is, uh, this is a little outside of that, but I'm still curious.

01:25:04 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:25:04 ◼   ► We don't even know the right questions to ask about these.

01:25:07 ◼   ► That's the problem.

01:25:08 ◼   ► All right.

01:25:09 ◼   ► Speaking of questions, let's do some ask ATP and cigar Patel rights.

01:25:12 ◼   ► Can you talk about your current phone setups on iOS 26?

01:25:15 ◼   ► I'm curious to see your home screens, lock screens, and widgets, et cetera.

01:25:18 ◼   ► Uh, we did a member special about this way back in the olden days of July, 2024, ATP

01:25:23 ◼   ► insider roast my home screen.

01:25:24 ◼   ► Uh, I have put my home screen and lock screen in the show notes.

01:25:28 ◼   ► John has put his home screen and lock screen in the show notes.

01:25:30 ◼   ► Uh, I don't believe in homework.

01:25:32 ◼   ► Marco Armand has yet to do so, but it's okay.

01:25:34 ◼   ► He doesn't get reminded about it five times because he's not the one with his app yet.

01:25:36 ◼   ► I uploaded it though.

01:25:37 ◼   ► It's in the CMS.

01:25:39 ◼   ► I guess you got it.

01:25:39 ◼   ► You need to, you need to give us the link to it.

01:25:41 ◼   ► All right.

01:25:42 ◼   ► Hold on.

01:25:42 ◼   ► Let's start with John and let's start with your lock screen.

01:25:45 ◼   ► So we will take a look at that first.

01:25:47 ◼   ► I'm seeing what appears to be a very, very cute picture of your dog, Daisy.

01:25:52 ◼   ► Uh, you have the flashlight in the bottom left as you should, the camera in the bottom

01:25:58 ◼   ► right, which I also concur with and no widgets whatsoever.

01:26:01 ◼   ► I'm a little surprised by that.

01:26:02 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:26:02 ◼   ► So my, my lock screen is a, uh, picture rotation thing.

01:26:05 ◼   ► I have this, I have a collection of photos that I have made for myself to be nice vertical,

01:26:12 ◼   ► uh, lock screen images.

01:26:14 ◼   ► And that Apple tries so hard every time they have that the OS to destroy and it's successful

01:26:19 ◼   ► a lot of the time to destroy.

01:26:20 ◼   ► I, I make these images.

01:26:22 ◼   ► I carefully align and crop them.

01:26:24 ◼   ► And every new version of iOS is like, I know you carefully in line and crop these, but I

01:26:28 ◼   ► don't care what you did.

01:26:29 ◼   ► I'm screwing up all the crops.

01:26:31 ◼   ► Good luck getting them back with this interface where you have to like touch and drag with two

01:26:35 ◼   ► fingers, but not zoom, but just drag with two.

01:26:37 ◼   ► It's the worst interface in the world when you're trying to like, let's talk about workouts

01:26:40 ◼   ► on the watch.

01:26:41 ◼   ► Well, anyway, trying, trying to align these, the crops of these images with pixel precise,

01:26:46 ◼   ► you know, being pixel precise on, on a phone, the way they make you do it on this thing is

01:26:51 ◼   ► maddening.

01:26:52 ◼   ► I just noticed recently they screwed up a crop on another one of mine.

01:26:55 ◼   ► So I do not respect the work I do to try to make well composed lock screens, but I do.

01:27:01 ◼   ► I, there's like, I don't know, seven or 10 pictures.

01:27:04 ◼   ► It's mostly my wife, my kids, my dog.

01:27:06 ◼   ► That's what it is.

01:27:08 ◼   ► That's, that's what I have pictures of.

01:27:09 ◼   ► So I didn't want to put any of my kids in my way up here.

01:27:11 ◼   ► This is one of the many pictures of my dog.

01:27:13 ◼   ► That is my lock screen.

01:27:14 ◼   ► I do no customization lock screen other than I think I'm, I've changed the, like the, the

01:27:20 ◼   ► numerals and the clock to be a little bit bolder than default.

01:27:23 ◼   ► And, um, and it's not the liquid glassy.

01:27:27 ◼   ► Like I turned off the, you know, the, you'd notice they're just like white things.

01:27:30 ◼   ► Um, they're opaque.

01:27:32 ◼   ► They're not glassy, but no, no widgets, uh, no changes to any of the other default stuff.

01:27:37 ◼   ► That's my lock screen.

01:27:38 ◼   ► It's very boring.

01:27:38 ◼   ► Um, and my home screen will also be boring.

01:27:41 ◼   ► Again, not everyone has heard or can hear the member special because not everyone's a member.

01:27:44 ◼   ► Uh, but we go over the lock screen in detail on that.

01:27:47 ◼   ► And I can tell you, it has essentially not changed since 2024, which honestly, some things

01:27:51 ◼   ► about it probably should change.

01:27:53 ◼   ► I think in that 2024 special, uh, you guys both asked about a Google authenticator being

01:27:58 ◼   ► on the home screen.

01:27:58 ◼   ► I'm like, well, I'm transitioning away from it and the transition is not done.

01:28:01 ◼   ► The transition is done.

01:28:02 ◼   ► It's still on my home screen.

01:28:04 ◼   ► It's in a place that is very difficult for me to reach the way I hold my phone kind of

01:28:08 ◼   ► like calendar, which as I discussed in the member special, I never use Apple calendar.

01:28:11 ◼   ► It is purely there.

01:28:12 ◼   ► So I can see the words Tuesday and 24 on my home screen.

01:28:17 ◼   ► That's it.

01:28:17 ◼   ► It is a graphic display, uh, that it shows the date, but I never tap it.

01:28:21 ◼   ► Uh, and authenticator is right next to it and it's really hard for me to reach.

01:28:25 ◼   ► I basically never tap it.

01:28:26 ◼   ► I should evict that and put something else there, but if I'm going to put something there, it

01:28:30 ◼   ► has to be something that I don't ever want to tap.

01:28:32 ◼   ► And so I'm not sure what would go there.

01:28:33 ◼   ► So authenticator is still there.

01:28:35 ◼   ► All my other apps are basically the same.

01:28:37 ◼   ► If you want to understand the logic of them, picture me holding my phone with my right hand,

01:28:40 ◼   ► with my thumb, uh, sweeping across from my thumb, sort of coming from the lower

01:28:46 ◼   ► right corner and sweeping in a radius across.

01:28:48 ◼   ► And you'll see that it is easy for my thumb to find messages, overcast, ivory, YouTube,

01:28:53 ◼   ► Slack, Instagram, find my calendar reminders.

01:28:57 ◼   ► Those are the hot items.

01:28:59 ◼   ► Those are the items.

01:29:00 ◼   ► And I guess Gmail, I can reach a little bit too.

01:29:02 ◼   ► Those are the hot items that I am reaching all the time.

01:29:04 ◼   ► Instapaper probably shouldn't be there.

01:29:06 ◼   ► I do use Instapaper a lot, but I don't access it.

01:29:08 ◼   ► I mostly add things to it.

01:29:10 ◼   ► I don't access it that much, but again, it's been in that spot on the home screen for ages.

01:29:13 ◼   ► So I tend not to move it and I'm not sure what I would replace it with.

01:29:16 ◼   ► And also part of it is aesthetic.

01:29:17 ◼   ► Uh, you know, I know there's no, like, I don't have widgets and my background is 100% pure

01:29:22 ◼   ► black as it has always been.

01:29:23 ◼   ► So I'm not doing anything styling wise there, but the, the way the icons sort of form a complete

01:29:30 ◼   ► thing.

01:29:31 ◼   ► Like I, for example, put it this way, I wouldn't want an icon on this home screen that like

01:29:34 ◼   ► stands out and doesn't fit in with the other ones in a way that I find ugly.

01:29:38 ◼   ► And so Instapaper with, it's just, you know, a black eye and a white background is inoffensive

01:29:43 ◼   ► and doesn't really upset the bounce.

01:29:45 ◼   ► So it continues to stay there.

01:29:46 ◼   ► Um, I do still have Twitterific in the doc.

01:29:48 ◼   ► I find the doc incredibly difficult to reach the way I hold my phone.

01:29:52 ◼   ► So I never hit, those are items there that I essentially never tap.

01:29:55 ◼   ► Um, and Twitterific when you launch it now just says Twitterific is gone.

01:30:00 ◼   ► Sorry about that.

01:30:01 ◼   ► Try this app.

01:30:02 ◼   ► I'm leaving it there as essentially a tombstone, a memorial, a place of honor.

01:30:06 ◼   ► I love this so much.

01:30:07 ◼   ► For my most used iPhone.

01:30:09 ◼   ► I mean, it's going to be, it's going to be another decade before some other app replaces

01:30:13 ◼   ► this as my most used iOS app, but Twitterific was before it was discontinued before Twitter

01:30:19 ◼   ► was destroyed was by far my most used iOS app.

01:30:22 ◼   ► Uh, these days it's probably ivory, which is essentially replaced Twitter for me.

01:30:26 ◼   ► So it's down there and it's a little place of honor and everything else is, there's nothing

01:30:29 ◼   ► interesting.

01:30:30 ◼   ► There's maps and Google maps.

01:30:31 ◼   ► Cause I tend to use both.

01:30:32 ◼   ► There's camera in the camera spot, FaceTime app store, the Kindle app.

01:30:37 ◼   ► When I read stuff like, you know, it's not, it's not exciting.

01:30:40 ◼   ► Google home, I guess replacing this.

01:30:41 ◼   ► I think I might've had nest there at some point before nest, the nest app went away and

01:30:44 ◼   ► got replaced by Google home.

01:30:45 ◼   ► But yeah, it's my home screen.

01:30:46 ◼   ► All right.

01:30:48 ◼   ► So, uh, for me, uh, I have a very similar story with regard to my lock screen.

01:30:53 ◼   ► Uh, this is a rotation and it just so happened that, uh, a picture of Penny came up in the

01:30:58 ◼   ► rotation.

01:30:58 ◼   ► Uh, to be clear, I don't have any particular album or anything like that.

01:31:02 ◼   ► I have faces that I say, whatever you want, Apple, just pick photos that are either Aaron

01:31:07 ◼   ► or the kids or Penny.

01:31:08 ◼   ► Not carefully composed individually.

01:31:11 ◼   ► Oh my goodness.

01:31:11 ◼   ► No, ain't nobody got time for that.

01:31:13 ◼   ► I have time for it.

01:31:15 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:31:15 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:31:15 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:31:15 ◼   ► So anyway, so I do have a couple of widgets, uh, on the bottom left, I have carrot weather

01:31:20 ◼   ► showing me the next several hours of, of, uh, weather.

01:31:23 ◼   ► And then on the bottom right is my calendar.

01:31:25 ◼   ► You see here that there's a notification that the price is right.

01:31:28 ◼   ► It would be recording from 10 59 AM to 12 PM.

01:31:31 ◼   ► That's adorable.

01:31:32 ◼   ► Why is that on your calendar?

01:31:34 ◼   ► Well, cause one of the many calendars I have is that channels, uh, emits an iCal set of,

01:31:39 ◼   ► uh, calendar entries for the things it's recording.

01:31:41 ◼   ► And it just so happened when I took this picture that that was the next thing on my calendar because

01:31:45 ◼   ► I work for myself.

01:31:46 ◼   ► So I, I should actually put a weather widget down there.

01:31:48 ◼   ► Like I, I'm not opposed to having widgets.

01:31:50 ◼   ► I just don't, I don't know.

01:31:51 ◼   ► I, I, I like the fact that the carrot weather, uh, thing is very, fairly unobtrusive and like

01:31:57 ◼   ► lightweight and doesn't take up a lot of room.

01:31:59 ◼   ► Although it probably would mess up some of my composition.

01:32:01 ◼   ► So I'll think about that, but I would definitely never put a calendar thing that would show

01:32:04 ◼   ► me what my DVR is recording.

01:32:05 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:32:06 ◼   ► I mean, it's, this is me.

01:32:07 ◼   ► I like to be informed about these sorts of things.

01:32:09 ◼   ► Uh, do I need to be?

01:32:10 ◼   ► No.

01:32:11 ◼   ► Do I ever take any action on it?

01:32:12 ◼   ► Nope.

01:32:12 ◼   ► But I don't know.

01:32:13 ◼   ► I like having, I like knowing.

01:32:14 ◼   ► You like the glassy digits?

01:32:16 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't mind them.

01:32:17 ◼   ► I mean, I never really thought about it until you said it, said something a minute ago.

01:32:20 ◼   ► So I just found them, I found them physically hard to see like contrast wise.

01:32:24 ◼   ► Like that's why I changed it.

01:32:25 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:32:25 ◼   ► That's fair.

01:32:26 ◼   ► I like the look.

01:32:27 ◼   ► I have to be clear.

01:32:28 ◼   ► I think these, the, the numerals, this glassy sort of smoked glass look, I think it does look

01:32:32 ◼   ► very attractive.

01:32:32 ◼   ► I just found it harder to read.

01:32:33 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:32:34 ◼   ► All right.

01:32:34 ◼   ► Then my home screen.

01:32:35 ◼   ► Um, I don't think this has changed in a couple of years, uh, with the exception of maybe

01:32:42 ◼   ► home assistant.

01:32:42 ◼   ► I think home assistant was already there.

01:32:44 ◼   ► Uh, I have adopted a two screen approach for, uh, my, my, uh, launcher.

01:32:51 ◼   ► It used to be, I had like four or five pages and I curated where everything was, particularly

01:32:55 ◼   ► in the first two.

01:32:56 ◼   ► And then the third and fourth, I still curated where things were, but to a lesser degree.

01:32:59 ◼   ► Uh, now I have just two pages and you're only seeing the first one here.

01:33:02 ◼   ► And there's a giant, um, uh, carrots forecast widget at the top.

01:33:07 ◼   ► Uh, that's a two row tall widget.

01:33:09 ◼   ► So it shoves my icons down.

01:33:12 ◼   ► So wait, so let's pause here.

01:33:13 ◼   ► So you have on your lock screen, you've got the carrot weather widget.

01:33:16 ◼   ► And then on your home screen, fully a third of the icons is taken up by another weather

01:33:21 ◼   ► widget for someone who never leaves their house.

01:33:23 ◼   ► How much do you need to know about the weather?

01:33:25 ◼   ► Uh, partially the problem is, is I never look at it on the lock screen, even though it's

01:33:30 ◼   ► there and I know it's there.

01:33:31 ◼   ► I just never look at it there.

01:33:32 ◼   ► Um, and so I more often look at it on the home screen.

01:33:35 ◼   ► I mean, nothing you're saying is unreasonable whatsoever.

01:33:37 ◼   ► You're completely right, but I don't know.

01:33:39 ◼   ► It's just the way I like it.

01:33:40 ◼   ► You're just a weather enthusiast.

01:33:40 ◼   ► Cause like, like, are you watching it?

01:33:42 ◼   ► Are you consulting it to be like, how should I dress when I go out to pick up the kids or

01:33:46 ◼   ► something?

01:33:46 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:33:46 ◼   ► What, what, what is it going to be like if I leave the house?

01:33:48 ◼   ► But to your point, do I leave the house every day?

01:33:50 ◼   ► No, I don't.

01:33:51 ◼   ► I have no logical explanation for this whatsoever.

01:33:53 ◼   ► So if you're seeking one, you will not find it.

01:33:55 ◼   ► I'm just saying it's a lot of real estate for that.

01:33:57 ◼   ► Like in my life, what I found is that I actually use like, um, either my, my thermostat has

01:34:03 ◼   ► the outdoor weather on it or like my, like ink display thing I have hanging on the wall

01:34:08 ◼   ► because that's near the door.

01:34:09 ◼   ► And so then I'm deciding what coat should I wear?

01:34:11 ◼   ► And so I'll just glance at that and see like, what is the temperature, uh, this morning or

01:34:15 ◼   ► whatever.

01:34:15 ◼   ► But yeah, that's, it's a lot of, I'm saying it's a lot of, it is an area that's, I imagine

01:34:19 ◼   ► you would find hard to reach.

01:34:20 ◼   ► It's at the top.

01:34:20 ◼   ► So it's not like you're sacrificing things, but anyway, it's a lot of, it's a lot of space for

01:34:25 ◼   ► the weather.

01:34:26 ◼   ► Again, uh, you are not saying anything I disagree with.

01:34:28 ◼   ► Nothing you're saying is unreasonable.

01:34:30 ◼   ► It's just the way I like it.

01:34:31 ◼   ► Is that a smart widget?

01:34:32 ◼   ► Like, can you swipe that up and there's more stuff besides you're looking for the, the word

01:34:35 ◼   ► you're looking for a stack and no, it is deliberately not because I always want the weather there

01:34:39 ◼   ► because I just, if I want to see the weather, I want it to be right there.

01:34:42 ◼   ► And yes, I, again, I know it's on the lock screen, but I very rarely look at it there.

01:34:45 ◼   ► The other thing I will note is that this is, um, I think it's called the forecast widget

01:34:49 ◼   ► on carrot weather.

01:34:50 ◼   ► And what that does is depending on what's about to happen, it will be, it can look very

01:34:55 ◼   ► different than what you see there.

01:34:56 ◼   ► So it'll show like rainfall expectations.

01:34:58 ◼   ► If it's about to rain or snow or whatever, uh, sorry, trigger warning YouTube.

01:35:02 ◼   ► But anyway, uh, it'll show vastly different things depending on like time of day.

01:35:07 ◼   ► Uh, so for example, now that it's late, I took this this morning, but now that it's

01:35:10 ◼   ► late in the day, it shows me the current temperature on like the left half of that same widget, the

01:35:15 ◼   ► current temperature, what the day, what today's high and low were, and then the right half

01:35:19 ◼   ► of it, it shows the next five days worth of weather, right?

01:35:22 ◼   ► Because it's late in the day.

01:35:23 ◼   ► So today's weather has basically already happened.

01:35:25 ◼   ► Uh, it's very, very cool.

01:35:26 ◼   ► If you're a carrot weather person, which you should be, it, like I said, this, I think it's

01:35:29 ◼   ► called the forecast widget.

01:35:30 ◼   ► It'll rejigger itself in order to do what it thinks is best to show you.

01:35:35 ◼   ► Uh, but anyways, on the home screen, uh, a home assistant may or may not have been there

01:35:38 ◼   ► when we last did the, uh, discussion in 2024.

01:35:41 ◼   ► That's in my same spot as Google home was for you.

01:35:43 ◼   ► Uh, the only other highlight that I think might've changed is, um, with a couple of friends of

01:35:49 ◼   ► ours, uh, Ben and Aaron are working on a app called Indigo, which they're kind of sort of

01:35:55 ◼   ► talked about a little bit.

01:35:57 ◼   ► And what that basically is, is a, um, Mastodon and blue sky, uh, like joint app.

01:36:02 ◼   ► And I don't think I should probably say too much more than that.

01:36:05 ◼   ► They knew I was going to talk about it a little bit today.

01:36:07 ◼   ► I was going to say, like, why doesn't it have a dot next to it?

01:36:09 ◼   ► But you have the titles hidden on your eye.

01:36:10 ◼   ► Correct.

01:36:10 ◼   ► Correct.

01:36:11 ◼   ► Uh, so it is, it is very good.

01:36:14 ◼   ► I don't know when it's going to be out, but I think soonish.

01:36:16 ◼   ► Um, and it is replaced ivory for me, uh, on my home screens and on my Mac.

01:36:20 ◼   ► Um, it is, it, there, it is not a hundred percent the same as Ivy or as ivory.

01:36:25 ◼   ► There are definitely some, some places that there needs to be a little bit of work, but

01:36:28 ◼   ► it's a beta, uh, but it's really good.

01:36:30 ◼   ► So you, I think they have, I'll see if I can remember to put a link in the show notes,

01:36:33 ◼   ► but I think they have a place where you can sign up for like a little mailing list about

01:36:35 ◼   ► release.

01:36:36 ◼   ► Uh, but you should definitely check it out once it is out.

01:36:38 ◼   ► It's really good.

01:36:39 ◼   ► It's the same folks.

01:36:40 ◼   ► Maybe I'll finally remember to use blue sky that way.

01:36:42 ◼   ► Right.

01:36:42 ◼   ► Exactly.

01:36:43 ◼   ► Uh, they're the same folks that did croissant, which is the app that lets you cross post and

01:36:46 ◼   ► it doesn't let you, the croissant doesn't let you read anything.

01:36:49 ◼   ► It just lets you cross post.

01:36:50 ◼   ► Um, and so that's what that is there.

01:36:51 ◼   ► But otherwise I think it's all basically the same as it's been for at least a couple of

01:36:55 ◼   ► years now.

01:36:55 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:36:56 ◼   ► Then can you say, uh, in your home screen, Casey, which icon I would find unharmonious?

01:37:00 ◼   ► Probably the Sonos one, right?

01:37:01 ◼   ► Cause it's all black.

01:37:02 ◼   ► You got it.

01:37:03 ◼   ► Big black hole punched right now.

01:37:05 ◼   ► I know you're going to use it cause you frequently use that, but that's what I mean about like,

01:37:09 ◼   ► if I was in that situation, it would be tough decision for me because like, look, it's a

01:37:11 ◼   ► frequently used app.

01:37:12 ◼   ► I want it to be my home screen, but it doesn't fit in aesthetically.

01:37:15 ◼   ► Uh, and the other, my other question for you is what is your, what is your background?

01:37:18 ◼   ► Is that one of the Apple supplied ones?

01:37:19 ◼   ► Like a gradient?

01:37:20 ◼   ► Uh, I think I, it is a gradient and I think I just tweaked it.

01:37:24 ◼   ► Like it's, it's not an image, you know, it's just like I, I messed with sliders.

01:37:28 ◼   ► I did it so long ago.

01:37:29 ◼   ► I don't even remember.

01:37:30 ◼   ► But there's a built in Apple thing where you just pick it and then can mess with it.

01:37:33 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:37:33 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:37:33 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:37:33 ◼   ► Uh, at least to the best I can recall, I set that up forever ago, like years ago.

01:37:38 ◼   ► Um, but yeah, I mean, there's, there's nothing too remarkable here.

01:37:41 ◼   ► I should go to your point.

01:37:42 ◼   ► I should go and see if there's a different Sonos icon available.

01:37:44 ◼   ► I really truly have no idea if they offer an alternative icon.

01:37:47 ◼   ► But I couldn't believe on, I got a Sonos room to a while back and I could not believe they

01:37:51 ◼   ► de-emphasized one of the only cool hardware things they have going for them, which is that

01:37:55 ◼   ► their, their logo is the same right side up or upside down.

01:37:58 ◼   ► And so on the, the Sonos room, it used to, I would get it in black and it would come with

01:38:02 ◼   ► the white Sonos embossed on it, but like the little letters that stood out from it and you

01:38:05 ◼   ► can look, it works both ways.

01:38:06 ◼   ► No matter which way you put it, it works.

01:38:07 ◼   ► Uh, and then they, on the, the current black Sonos room too, they made the Sonos logo also