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00:00:00 ◼   ► So I spent all day cleaning up water damage. That was really fun.

00:00:03 ◼   ► Oh, you went to the beach?

00:00:05 ◼   ► I did.

00:00:05 ◼   ► I meant to send you that Instagram thing that I saw today. I didn't do it because I thought it would be too cruel, but now you're bringing it up. I'm going to find it and send it gone.

00:00:11 ◼   ► What I was saying last week about, so we're lucky that the leak at the beach house, it was worse than I expected, but it only affected like the storage basement area of the house, not like the finished interior of the house.

00:00:27 ◼   ► Thank God for that, because that would be a very different level of damage.

00:00:31 ◼   ► And most of the things that we store in the storage area are things like bikes, which are mostly waterproof.

00:00:39 ◼   ► So it doesn't look like there's too much loss there.

00:00:44 ◼   ► Plus, it's fresh water. It's actually cleaning the bicycles, getting the salt off.

00:00:47 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, it wasn't only bikes that were rained on for a day and a half, but it was mostly bikes.

00:00:54 ◼   ► So it's not too bad. It could have been a lot worse.

00:00:57 ◼   ► There's a lot of cleanup to do, but it could have been a lot worse.

00:00:59 ◼   ► But you mentioned Instagram, and that actually gives me a really good opportunity here to tell you a little hot tip.

00:01:06 ◼   ► It didn't start during my year of efficiency.

00:01:09 ◼   ► It started about December, I think.

00:01:12 ◼   ► And I don't think I've mentioned it on the show, at least not more than two seconds worth.

00:01:15 ◼   ► So I haven't really been on Instagram very much recently.

00:01:19 ◼   ► There's been a sharp drop-off in my Instagram music starting in December when I made a simple change.

00:01:24 ◼   ► I can say I strongly recommend this.

00:01:26 ◼   ► So anyway, what the change was, was I moved Instagram to the hidden state on my phone, where it requires Face ID.

00:01:36 ◼   ► So here's what you do.

00:01:37 ◼   ► You go to any app on your phone.

00:01:38 ◼   ► They added this, I think, two or three OSes ago.

00:01:40 ◼   ► Any app on iOS, if you do the long hold to go to delete it, and one of the options it gives you on is require Face ID in that context menu.

00:01:53 ◼   ► When you do that, one of the options you get is to hide and require Face ID.

00:02:00 ◼   ► And what this does is this puts the app, if you go all the way to the app library, like the rightmost screen on your iPhone, and you scroll all the way to the bottom, the bottom right icon is called hidden.

00:02:12 ◼   ► And you can't see what's in it because it's hidden.

00:02:15 ◼   ► And if you hide any app and require Face ID for it, it will go into that hidden folder.

00:02:22 ◼   ► The only way to get to it is to go to the app library.

00:02:26 ◼   ► It won't show up in search.

00:02:27 ◼   ► You won't get any notifications for it.

00:02:29 ◼   ► Your phone will act as though it's not there at all.

00:02:32 ◼   ► The only way to get to it is you go to that hidden folder.

00:02:34 ◼   ► You tap it.

00:02:35 ◼   ► For some reason, you have to tap it again.

00:02:37 ◼   ► It Face ID scans you.

00:02:39 ◼   ► Then the icon will show up, and you can open the app.

00:02:42 ◼   ► And you can use the app just normally.

00:02:44 ◼   ► But if you leave the app for more than like a second or two, it will not show up in the app switcher.

00:02:51 ◼   ► You can't switch back to it.

00:02:52 ◼   ► You have to go through that process again.

00:02:54 ◼   ► Oh, interesting.

00:02:54 ◼   ► And again, so you're not getting notifications.

00:02:57 ◼   ► So it's never being promoted to you on your phone at all.

00:03:01 ◼   ► So what this does is it creates a situation where you have to think about going to it.

00:03:06 ◼   ► You have to want to go to it.

00:03:07 ◼   ► And you have to want to go to it enough that you go through like a little bit of friction to get to it.

00:03:13 ◼   ► You can't just search for it in Spotlight.

00:03:14 ◼   ► You have to go and scroll to it and do the Face ID and have it open up.

00:03:18 ◼   ► And if you switch away from it, so for instance, if you're like looking at an Instagram ad and you switch out to Safari to, you know, be able to save that page for later maybe and maybe use Apple Pay to buy something.

00:03:29 ◼   ► It's kind of a pain in the butt to switch back.

00:03:31 ◼   ► Also, universal links to that app will stop working.

00:03:37 ◼   ► So what it does is it makes using the app totally suck and it makes you not want to do it very often, which for Instagram means that the compulsion that I had and that many people have, tickers idly open it up all the time.

00:03:52 ◼   ► I had it on my home screen.

00:03:53 ◼   ► I'd open it up.

00:03:54 ◼   ► It's super easy.

00:03:54 ◼   ► And then before I knew it, I'd wasted a bunch of time there and opened up six tabs for shirts I might want to buy.

00:03:59 ◼   ► That's that doesn't happen anymore.

00:04:02 ◼   ► It's just gone.

00:04:04 ◼   ► I have dramatically reduced the amount of time I use Instagram as a result and I got to tell you, I am so much happier and better off for it.

00:04:13 ◼   ► I don't have as many shirts, but everything else in my life is better.

00:04:16 ◼   ► And it really made me realize quite how bad for me Instagram really was.

00:04:24 ◼   ► It doesn't feel that bad when you're using it until you realize you've like, you know, spent a lot of time there and maybe you're, you know, you're just becoming, you know, just unhappy with your life.

00:04:33 ◼   ► And you want to buy a bunch of stuff and not having Instagram be a major part of my life and have it be almost not a part of my life at all.

00:04:41 ◼   ► It's great.

00:04:42 ◼   ► Like I was keeping it because I thought I was going to be missing out on not only like, you know, whatever friends are doing.

00:04:47 ◼   ► I mean, most of my feed isn't that anymore, but even stuff like, you know, at the beach, like what restaurants are doing tonight for their specials or, you know, what special events are happening around town.

00:04:56 ◼   ► And the reality is most of that stuff I don't miss, first of all, because it wasn't that important as it turns out.

00:05:02 ◼   ► And second of all, what Instagram mostly is these days is a feed full of stuff to keep me engaged.

00:05:09 ◼   ► Not really a lot of stuff that my friends are actually posting.

00:05:11 ◼   ► So my life has been made significantly better by having it still available if I have to go look at something, but almost never looking at it.

00:05:20 ◼   ► So it cut it down from using it from probably maybe an average of a half hour a day down to using it for maybe five minutes a week at most.

00:05:29 ◼   ► It's amazing.

00:05:30 ◼   ► I strongly recommend doing this to social apps because when people say they're stuck in their phone or they're addicted to their phone or their phone's the problem or phones in general are the problem.

00:05:39 ◼   ► What they're mostly talking about is social network apps on phones, which is different from the phone.

00:05:45 ◼   ► The phone is just a computer.

00:05:46 ◼   ► It's an amazing – the phone is like one of the greatest things we've ever invented as a species.

00:05:51 ◼   ► The modern smartphone is this ridiculously amazing, capable pocket supercomputer connected to the internet at all times that can do amazing things for us.

00:05:59 ◼   ► The phone is great.

00:06:00 ◼   ► The phone is not a problem.

00:06:01 ◼   ► Addictive social apps are a problem in a lot of ways.

00:06:05 ◼   ► So doing steps like that to like increase the friction, like the best thing is to just delete it off your phone if you can do that.

00:06:12 ◼   ► But if you still need it sometimes, that's a way to keep it still there but not have it be very addictive to you.

00:06:21 ◼   ► So I can strongly recommend it.

00:06:22 ◼   ► Wait, I'm sorry.

00:06:24 ◼   ► How did we leap from beach cleanup to Instagram?

00:06:26 ◼   ► Did I have a brain fart when that happened?

00:06:28 ◼   ► I was sending up the Instagram thing about the burst pipes.

00:06:32 ◼   ► It's in the Slack if you want to look at it.

00:06:34 ◼   ► I mean it's not ours.

00:06:35 ◼   ► It's just a public thing.

00:06:35 ◼   ► So I guess we can put it in the show notes if you want.

00:06:37 ◼   ► Although, Marco, I'm glad this change has made a difference in your life.

00:06:40 ◼   ► It sounds good.

00:06:41 ◼   ► I mean you made a quitter of the Mac app to help you with Twitter before that.

00:06:44 ◼   ► So there's a long history of you doing these things.

00:06:46 ◼   ► But every time I hear you describe these systems, I just am glad I don't have that kind of adversarial relationship with myself that you do.

00:06:54 ◼   ► Because you are the solution to and cause of all your problems.

00:06:59 ◼   ► And you are battling against yourself by writing software to stop you from being you.

00:07:03 ◼   ► Hey, I've never been officially diagnosed with ADHD, mostly because I've never really sought that kind of diagnosis.

00:07:11 ◼   ► It's never too late to learn to read.

00:07:13 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:07:13 ◼   ► But this is – I mean look, if your brain works this way, you know it.

00:07:19 ◼   ► And my brain definitely works this way.

00:07:21 ◼   ► And we have to develop systems around ourselves.

00:07:26 ◼   ► Yeah, luckily it works the other way, which lets you devise systems to thwart yourself.

00:07:29 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:07:30 ◼   ► You have the other side of that too, which is good.

00:07:32 ◼   ► Like the systems I have to do to maintain like, you know, attention and task doing are ridiculous.

00:07:38 ◼   ► Like part of the reason why the snooze options on Apple reminders alerts bother me so much, the stupid like, remind me this afternoon and it's 2 p.m.

00:07:49 ◼   ► What does that mean?

00:07:50 ◼   ► What time?

00:07:51 ◼   ► If it's already 2 p.m. and it says remind me this afternoon, what does that mean?

00:07:55 ◼   ► And when it's 9 a.m. and it says remind me this morning, what does that mean?

00:07:59 ◼   ► I hate – like I cannot tell you how asinine those reminder strings are.

00:08:05 ◼   ► Like give me a time or give me more hour intervals.

00:08:09 ◼   ► The thing I do with reminders, I mean, yes, I know there's a million alternative apps that we should be using instead, right?

00:08:14 ◼   ► But what I actually just use reminders and what I do is I just go into reminders and I change the time to be advanced by the amount that I want it to be advanced.

00:08:22 ◼   ► It's the most ridiculous thing ever.

00:08:23 ◼   ► I'm essentially manually snoozing because when I set the time forward, I know exactly when it's going to go off again.

00:08:29 ◼   ► Yeah, see, this is like – and I know I should be using Do, D-U-E.

00:08:32 ◼   ► I know that I tried it.

00:08:33 ◼   ► And we know all the apps.

00:08:35 ◼   ► We know.

00:08:35 ◼   ► Yeah, I think maybe one of my – we're not talking about it at this episode, but maybe one of my VibeCode apps will be like just use the reminders database but have better alerts for it.

00:08:44 ◼   ► Like I don't – I mean there's probably already apps that do that.

00:08:45 ◼   ► I'm sure that exists in the app store already.

00:08:47 ◼   ► I know it probably does.

00:08:48 ◼   ► But like I want the reminders to be the app because that way Siri integration works perfectly.

00:08:53 ◼   ► A lot of other system integrations work perfectly.

00:08:54 ◼   ► But those notification snooze options are just so bad and the whole reason I snooze them is because in my terrible productivity system of my brain, if I'm not being reminded of something over and over and over again until I do it, it won't get done.

00:09:10 ◼   ► That's D-U-E.

00:09:11 ◼   ► I know.

00:09:12 ◼   ► That's the D-U-E app.

00:09:13 ◼   ► I know.

00:09:13 ◼   ► I just don't like the rest of the app.

00:09:14 ◼   ► And if I accidentally dismiss one of those alerts, it will never remind me again.

00:09:22 ◼   ► I have to like be so careful when one of those pops up like, oh, God.

00:09:25 ◼   ► Oh, no.

00:09:26 ◼   ► Don't careful.

00:09:27 ◼   ► Snooze for an hour.

00:09:28 ◼   ► Okay.

00:09:28 ◼   ► Or remind me this afternoon, whatever that means.

00:09:31 ◼   ► Remind me tonight.

00:09:33 ◼   ► That's great too.

00:09:34 ◼   ► It's like what does that mean?

00:09:35 ◼   ► Like anyway, I wish those were better and maybe someday I'll make them better.

00:09:40 ◼   ► And I know the system is ridiculous and the system sounds ridiculous that I get reminded of like four things every day recurring until I do them and it might take me two weeks to do them.

00:09:48 ◼   ► This sounds ridiculous to anybody who is like productive and normal minded and that is so not me.

00:09:54 ◼   ► My system needs this.

00:09:56 ◼   ► Very quickly, I wholeheartedly endorse the app D-U-E, you know, do, but when I pronounce the word do, nobody knows what I mean.

00:10:04 ◼   ► It's D-U-E app.com.

00:10:06 ◼   ► I'll put a link in the show notes.

00:10:07 ◼   ► My life would, not literally, but figuratively end if this app did not exist.

00:10:12 ◼   ► I would get nothing done.

00:10:13 ◼   ► We have gone far longer on this pre-flight immediately after Marco and I both said we don't want to go long.

00:10:18 ◼   ► What is the result of the beach situation, though?

00:10:20 ◼   ► Did you get a plumber to come out?

00:10:21 ◼   ► Like where does it stand?

00:10:23 ◼   ► Yeah, a plumber came out yesterday and fixed the leak.

00:10:25 ◼   ► I went out there today to do basically, you know, just clean up, you know, he, you know, because there was a lot of, a lot of things in the, in the basement that are very wet and waterlogged.

00:10:33 ◼   ► A lot of like, you know, storage containers that are full of water, plus whatever they were storing.

00:10:37 ◼   ► Those light fixtures on the ceiling of like nautical themed basement areas that have, it's like a metal cage around a glass dome, but it's all sealed up.

00:10:47 ◼   ► Well, there were, you know, that we have those all across our basement ceiling and the ones that the water was above are, were full of water, like the dome.

00:10:54 ◼   ► So I had to like, you know, get a, get a, you know, a drill, unscrew the dome and water just poured down.

00:11:01 ◼   ► Like, like obviously those light bulbs are dead.

00:11:03 ◼   ► Those fixtures I will probably be replacing.

00:11:05 ◼   ► Been there.

00:11:06 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:11:06 ◼   ► So a lot of, a lot of that, but, and, and with the added complexity that it was about 30 degrees, you know, all like, as I was like carrying water fillers,

00:11:17 ◼   ► filled containers out to dump them on, like, you know, the, the patio, I have to make sure I'm not dumping them where I have to walk.

00:11:21 ◼   ► Cause it's all freezing a few minutes later.

00:11:23 ◼   ► So the patio is covered in ice.

00:11:26 ◼   ► Like it's lovely.

00:11:27 ◼   ► And my, and of course, you know, whatever gloves I'm wearing are instantly soaked with everything I'm doing.

00:11:32 ◼   ► So I had to keep like taking breaks, going upstairs, just warming up for a few minutes, then going back out again.

00:11:36 ◼   ► Like it was, it was, it was a hard day, but, uh, I'm sorry, but at least I didn't have Instagram bothering me.

00:11:44 ◼   ► Well, that's true.

00:11:44 ◼   ► I did have a couple of reminders though.

00:11:47 ◼   ► Did I do the things?

00:11:47 ◼   ► No, I actually have a couple or a related story.

00:11:51 ◼   ► As I also told John and Marco that I did not want to go long tonight, but here we go.

00:11:56 ◼   ► Um, I was sitting in the living room yesterday, maybe it was the day before and I know it must've been yesterday.

00:12:02 ◼   ► And, um, that's where our Yolink hub is.

00:12:06 ◼   ► So, you know, the Yolink stuff that had, that we have some leak sensors.

00:12:11 ◼   ► We have some contact sensors, which we will probably talk about in the after show tonight.

00:12:15 ◼   ► Anyways, um, the speaker hub sits in the living room in the entertainment center.

00:12:20 ◼   ► It's an open entertainment center.

00:12:21 ◼   ► And I have, of course, done a bunch of stuff with home assistants such that, for example,

00:12:27 ◼   ► when the mailbox is opened out, out front, the speaker hub will literally say the words,

00:12:33 ◼   ► you've got mail, uh, because I'm a child of the nineties.

00:12:36 ◼   ► Does it have the old sound effect?

00:12:37 ◼   ► No, unfortunately it's, it's more, it's more robotic.

00:12:40 ◼   ► It's more like you've got mail or whatever.

00:12:42 ◼   ► You got to get the sound effect from that awesome announcer who he, he just died like last year,

00:12:46 ◼   ► but yeah, I don't think I can actually use the sound effect, but that's neither here nor there.

00:12:49 ◼   ► But I'm sitting there and I'm, you know, watching TV or browsing something on the internet.

00:12:53 ◼   ► And all of a sudden I hear a siren going off and that indicates to me, because the only reason

00:13:00 ◼   ► that should happen is based on automations I've done in home assistant.

00:13:04 ◼   ► The only reason that should happen if a water leak sensor has tripped.

00:13:07 ◼   ► And so sure enough, the siren goes off and it says there's a leak in Casey's sink and I go

00:13:12 ◼   ► bombing upstairs and, uh, I tell you what, there was a little itty bitty, itty bitty puddle

00:13:18 ◼   ► of water under there.

00:13:19 ◼   ► It was, it must be like a little teeny tiny drip, but over the span of like a day or something,

00:13:24 ◼   ► it was enough to trip the leak sensor because the way it works is there's a couple of electrodes

00:13:27 ◼   ► or whatever on the bottom and a couple on the top.

00:13:30 ◼   ► And so sure enough, the water was able to basically create a connection between the two

00:13:35 ◼   ► on the bottom and it alerted me.

00:13:37 ◼   ► And so we were able to clean it up lickety split where, you know, we got on the horn with

00:13:41 ◼   ► our bathroom people and they're going to come out first thing next week because it's not

00:13:44 ◼   ► a pressing issue.

00:13:44 ◼   ► You know, it's a very, very, very, very minor leak, but I would never in a million years

00:13:50 ◼   ► have noticed this were it not for those leak sensors.

00:13:52 ◼   ► So not sponsored by YoLink, but sponsored by YoLink.

00:13:55 ◼   ► Yeah, those things, what's great about them again, as I mentioned last time, what's great

00:13:59 ◼   ► about them is that the sensors are cheap and there's no like subscription per sensor or

00:14:04 ◼   ► anything.

00:14:04 ◼   ► So you can, you can get, I think the four pack is like 60 bucks with the hub or something.

00:14:09 ◼   ► So it's, and you can just get, you can get as many as you need.

00:14:11 ◼   ► So, you know, in, in my house, I have, I think like 10 of them or something.

00:14:16 ◼   ► I have a lot of them basically.

00:14:17 ◼   ► So I have them under each bathroom sink trap.

00:14:22 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:14:22 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:14:23 ◼   ► That's what this one was.

00:14:23 ◼   ► Because that's usually where water tends to collect if there's a small leak and under each

00:14:27 ◼   ► toilet of the, the valve that fills the toilet that goes against the wall, whatever that

00:14:31 ◼   ► valve is called, like where it comes out of the wall and you have a little snaking up pipe

00:14:36 ◼   ► thing to fill the toilet.

00:14:37 ◼   ► Those tend to drip over time too.

00:14:39 ◼   ► And sure enough, there was one day, oh, and the top of the Yolink water leak sensors, they

00:14:45 ◼   ► have sensors on the top and the bottom.

00:14:47 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:14:48 ◼   ► So they have these little metal feet that poke down.

00:14:50 ◼   ► So if they are sitting in water, they'll, they'll alert, but also they have these two little

00:14:54 ◼   ► sensors up top and they're shaped like a little bowl up top.

00:14:57 ◼   ► So that way you can place it under something.

00:15:00 ◼   ► And if something drips, it'll fall into that top bowl and alert you immediately before water

00:15:04 ◼   ► pools up on the floor.

00:15:06 ◼   ► So you can, it's, it's good to place them under, under things that are most likely to

00:15:11 ◼   ► be a problem like valves and traps and things like that.

00:15:15 ◼   ► Um, and sure enough, like, uh, last summer we were at the beach and we got a, a link or

00:15:22 ◼   ► a, a leak alert from one of the toilet valve ones and we had somebody go over and look at

00:15:26 ◼   ► it.

00:15:26 ◼   ► And sure enough, that toilet valve had like a little, like drip every few minutes

00:15:31 ◼   ► kind of leak.

00:15:31 ◼   ► And that's the kind of thing like you would never, especially if it's like under a sink

00:15:36 ◼   ► in a cabinet.

00:15:36 ◼   ► That's where ours was.

00:15:37 ◼   ► Yep.

00:15:38 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:15:38 ◼   ► You would never know that until you open that cabinet like two years later and the whole

00:15:43 ◼   ► bottom of it falls out.

00:15:44 ◼   ► You're like, whoa.

00:15:44 ◼   ► And then you see all this water damage.

00:15:46 ◼   ► Like that's the advantage of these things that you could, they're so small and cheap and

00:15:50 ◼   ► low maintenance.

00:15:51 ◼   ► You can, you can buy a ton of them and put them all over.

00:15:53 ◼   ► I have one like obviously next to the water heater.

00:15:55 ◼   ► I have one under the washing machine, anywhere that you might have a leak.

00:15:59 ◼   ► And let me tell you now that I have dealt with the aftermath of what was again, like

00:16:05 ◼   ► because it wasn't in the finished area of the house, this leak could have been so much

00:16:09 ◼   ► worse.

00:16:09 ◼   ► I'm thank God it was not in the finished area, but even just dealing with a storage area

00:16:14 ◼   ► leak, which is not that destructive.

00:16:16 ◼   ► I am not only incredibly happy that I had these sensors, but I'm adding more and I'm definitely

00:16:24 ◼   ► getting the water main automatic shutoff thing.

00:16:27 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:16:28 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:16:28 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:16:28 ◼   ► And also when I left the house today, I just turned the water main off.

00:16:31 ◼   ► Did you empty the water lines as best you could as well?

00:16:34 ◼   ► Because people will ask you.

00:16:35 ◼   ► Uh, just like the down.

00:16:37 ◼   ► I wasn't sure.

00:16:37 ◼   ► So, okay.

00:16:38 ◼   ► So I turned the water.

00:16:39 ◼   ► I was in kind of a rush.

00:16:40 ◼   ► I turned the water main off and I went up to the upstairs.

00:16:43 ◼   ► So I went up to the, to the first level sinks and I just opened the cold water until it

00:16:47 ◼   ► stopped running.

00:16:48 ◼   ► But I also, I'm like, am I going to burn out my hot water tank by doing this?

00:16:53 ◼   ► Because if the hot water tank loses water and it's still on, then the top heating element

00:17:01 ◼   ► can burn itself out.

00:17:03 ◼   ► And I decided, so what I did, I also just turned off the input and output valve to the

00:17:07 ◼   ► hot water tank.

00:17:08 ◼   ► So it kind of just locked the water in it, whatever was already there.

00:17:10 ◼   ► And also the hot water tank being replaced next week.

00:17:12 ◼   ► So I figured that probably doesn't matter because it was pretty, pretty badly damaged and it was

00:17:17 ◼   ► already near it's near the end of its life.

00:17:18 ◼   ► Um, but I figured I'd ask the plumber that when he replaces it next week, I'm like, Hey,

00:17:22 ◼   ► by the way, did I burn it out?

00:17:23 ◼   ► Or, you know, did I do the right thing here?

00:17:25 ◼   ► Um, but anyway, there, and we've already heard from a few people who are responding saying

00:17:32 ◼   ► that either Yolink or there's also, there's a Moen, uh, automatic main turnoff thing that

00:17:37 ◼   ► a few listeners have written in to say like these things basically have saved people's bacon

00:17:41 ◼   ► a lot already.

00:17:42 ◼   ► Um, and so we can strongly recommend having, having some kind of like water leak sensing ability

00:17:49 ◼   ► and, uh, definitely look into the automatic main shutoff things too.

00:17:53 ◼   ► All right.

00:17:55 ◼   ► Before we do follow up, uh, John, you had an announcement you'd like to make.

00:17:59 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:17:59 ◼   ► Obviously a lot of listeners know this, but we are recording this episode early, uh, due

00:18:03 ◼   ► to school vacation reasons.

00:18:05 ◼   ► Uh, so if something dramatic happens, uh, before you're listening to this episode, but after

00:18:10 ◼   ► we record it, like, why aren't they talking about the new M5 max MacBook pros?

00:18:14 ◼   ► It's because of the time of recording, they didn't exist.

00:18:16 ◼   ► So hopefully nothing will happen and this episode will be fine.

00:18:19 ◼   ► But because it's like there, you know, so many things are imminent and coming soon from

00:18:23 ◼   ► Apple in this spring period of time we find ourselves in, we don't know when it's going

00:18:27 ◼   ► to happen.

00:18:27 ◼   ► If it so happens that Apple releases something while we're, uh, after we record this, but

00:18:33 ◼   ► before we record the next episode, that's why we apologize.

00:18:35 ◼   ► We'll get them next time.

00:18:36 ◼   ► Yep.

00:18:37 ◼   ► All right.

00:18:38 ◼   ► Uh, last after show, we talked about me, uh, looking at cars because I'm getting the seven

00:18:43 ◼   ► year itch and we talked about a whole bunch of options and I actually intended to, this

00:18:48 ◼   ► happens to me so often, I need to take better notes, but I intended to bring up another

00:18:51 ◼   ► option that I completely forgot about.

00:18:53 ◼   ► And one that I knew would, uh, peak John's interest, uh, in a couple of people wrote in

00:18:58 ◼   ► about this, John, you probably said something to me.

00:19:00 ◼   ► I don't remember what was the first thing that happened or maybe I just remembered, but

00:19:03 ◼   ► one or the other, one way or the other, uh, I should have brought up the lucid air because

00:19:06 ◼   ► the lucid air is like 150 grand or something like that brand new, but they're astonishingly

00:19:12 ◼   ► affordable right now.

00:19:13 ◼   ► If you go used and there's one in Richmond that I kind of sort of have my eye on.

00:19:18 ◼   ► That's something around 45, $50,000, so cheaper than the ticons I was looking at.

00:19:22 ◼   ► Um, the lucid air is very big.

00:19:25 ◼   ► Um, and John has done a little bit of research, which I will let you talk about in just a moment,

00:19:29 ◼   ► but, uh, I really liked the idea of the lucid air.

00:19:32 ◼   ► It seems to be doing everything the way I would want to do it in terms of like car play.

00:19:37 ◼   ► And a lot of the switch gear looks like it's made smartly and they do a lot.

00:19:41 ◼   ► I can't think of particular examples, but it just seems like my kind of car.

00:19:45 ◼   ► All that said, after my BMW experience, you know, with that car being a disaster and being

00:19:52 ◼   ► a little reluctant about going back to, you know, German super performance car, uh, I can't

00:19:57 ◼   ► imagine going to like a boutique, very young car company with, I don't believe any particular

00:20:03 ◼   ► local presence would be a good choice.

00:20:05 ◼   ► Like what happened, like, do you, do you have a local service center?

00:20:08 ◼   ► Do you trust the brand to be around in seven years?

00:20:11 ◼   ► Like that's, that's, those are big questions.

00:20:14 ◼   ► And with, with lucid, like, I mean, obviously, you know, I, I bought the first Rivian SUV, but

00:20:19 ◼   ► that, first of all, that wasn't even the first Rivian vehicle.

00:20:22 ◼   ► Um, and second of all, that was with Rivian already having their deal with Amazon, with all

00:20:26 ◼   ► their fleet vehicles and everything, and they were building out service centers.

00:20:29 ◼   ► And I still had problems with that vehicle being like a version one of its model line

00:20:34 ◼   ► and still a relatively young company with, with too little service infrastructure.

00:20:38 ◼   ► But I was like operating with an order of magnitude, better service infrastructure than what you'd

00:20:43 ◼   ► be operating at with lucid probably.

00:20:44 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:20:45 ◼   ► And I just looked it up.

00:20:46 ◼   ► The nearest place for lucid is exactly where you would expect it, expect it to be.

00:20:51 ◼   ► It is in Tyson's corner, which is the mega shopping conglomerate where the original Apple

00:20:56 ◼   ► store opened.

00:20:57 ◼   ► So a couple hours north of here.

00:20:59 ◼   ► A couple hours.

00:20:59 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:21:00 ◼   ► That's, I, I think if you, if you're looking for a vehicle that is unlikely to generate very

00:21:07 ◼   ► expensive or very big pain in the butt service issues for you down the road, I would not go

00:21:13 ◼   ► for lucid.

00:21:14 ◼   ► And I don't know anything about their, their, their like service record.

00:21:17 ◼   ► It's, it isn't about that.

00:21:18 ◼   ► It's just about the, the size of the company and the size of their infrastructure and the

00:21:22 ◼   ► likelihood they'll still be here in seven years.

00:21:24 ◼   ► I don't think is amazing.

00:21:25 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:21:26 ◼   ► But John, you had, you had done a little bit of research, uh, despite what the

00:21:28 ◼   ► song says about the differences between the air and the, in the Taycan.

00:21:32 ◼   ► Would you like to run through it?

00:21:34 ◼   ► I didn't bring it up just because it seemed like you were looking for a sporty car and

00:21:36 ◼   ► I wouldn't call the lucid air a sporty car.

00:21:38 ◼   ► It's more of just like a big, nice sedan.

00:21:40 ◼   ► Well, yes, but it is astonishingly absurdly physics bendingly fast, which would make me happy.

00:21:46 ◼   ► Like any EV, but you're not going to get the Sapphire one for 45 grand.

00:21:49 ◼   ► So anyway, um, the air is actually only about a half an inch longer than the Taycan, uh, but

00:21:54 ◼   ► it's one inch narrower.

00:21:56 ◼   ► Uh, and for that amount of space, you just get so much more space in the actual car.

00:22:01 ◼   ► So cargo room is 32 cubic feet versus 16 in the Taycan.

00:22:04 ◼   ► So it's double the, the, the, the, the storage space and the rear seat.

00:22:08 ◼   ► I could not find good numbers on it, but having sat in both rear seats, I can tell you that

00:22:12 ◼   ► the rear seat of the air is much, much, much, much larger than the rear seat of the Taycan.

00:22:17 ◼   ► Um, but yeah, like, uh, you know, if, if the nearest service center is multiple hours

00:22:21 ◼   ► away, it's probably not the car for you.

00:22:23 ◼   ► No, I agree.

00:22:24 ◼   ► Because unlike, for example, if you've got like, well, who cares?

00:22:26 ◼   ► You don't need the service center.

00:22:27 ◼   ► You can just take it anywhere.

00:22:28 ◼   ► That's true.

00:22:28 ◼   ► If you get a used BMW, you can just find a local garage, but for a very rare EV, you can't

00:22:35 ◼   ► just assume you can take it to the local garage and they'll know what the heck they're doing.

00:22:39 ◼   ► Yep.

00:22:39 ◼   ► I couldn't agree more.

00:22:40 ◼   ► Uh, but yeah, I, I don't know.

00:22:42 ◼   ► I, I might go test drive it just for funsies, but.

00:22:45 ◼   ► Oh, you totally should.

00:22:46 ◼   ► But, uh, I, I don't think I would ever in a million years buy it and, uh, follow up with

00:22:50 ◼   ► regard to the Taycan specifically.

00:22:52 ◼   ► Um, I still am 95% convinced that that is not the car for me.

00:22:57 ◼   ► However, the, uh, salesperson, the dealer emailed me earlier today and was like, Hey, what are

00:23:01 ◼   ► you thinking?

00:23:01 ◼   ► And I was like, well, you know, I, I was really disappointed with the transmission, but that

00:23:04 ◼   ► might be a me problem, you know, and I'm still worried about the garage, which I'd spoken

00:23:07 ◼   ► to her about when I was with her.

00:23:09 ◼   ► Um, you know, is there any chance you could give it to me for like a couple hours or overnight

00:23:13 ◼   ► or something like that?

00:23:14 ◼   ► And, and she came back almost immediately and said, absolutely.

00:23:17 ◼   ► Tell me when.

00:23:18 ◼   ► And so I think what I'm going to do is sometime next week.

00:23:20 ◼   ► I'm not sure specifically when it might not be before we air or before we record next

00:23:24 ◼   ► week.

00:23:24 ◼   ► But at some point next week, I plan to steal the car for a few hours, give it a proper run

00:23:29 ◼   ► through and see if I can convince myself that the transmission is livable.

00:23:32 ◼   ► Even if I can, I think, I just want to know, I just want to know because like, why are you

00:23:37 ◼   ► trying so hard to make a car work?

00:23:39 ◼   ► That's not working.

00:23:40 ◼   ► If we get a fair assessment of it, if he was just a setting that he changed that made

00:23:44 ◼   ► the car unappealing and something, he turns it on and it's appealing, you know, and it

00:23:47 ◼   ► doesn't mean he's going to get it.

00:23:48 ◼   ► It's just also true.

00:23:48 ◼   ► It's just a fun thing to do.

00:23:50 ◼   ► It's like, it's the same reason I'm talking to test drive cars that he's never going to

00:23:52 ◼   ► buy.

00:23:52 ◼   ► It's just a fun thing to do.

00:23:53 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:23:54 ◼   ► All right.

00:23:54 ◼   ► Moving along.

00:23:55 ◼   ► Marco's move to Chrome.

00:23:57 ◼   ► Sarvaganan writes, check out the Helium browser, which is Chromium, but with all the Google

00:24:02 ◼   ► stuff stripped out.

00:24:03 ◼   ► It also has the bang syntax built in.

00:24:05 ◼   ► That's the, you know, like exclamation point mark A for Amazon, for example, that we talked

00:24:10 ◼   ► about a couple of weeks ago.

00:24:11 ◼   ► If you just want the bang shortcut syntax, you can use the unduck.link website.

00:24:16 ◼   ► And that's also a super fast option.

00:24:17 ◼   ► The only thing with this, like, this is a very good recommendation if you wanted Google out

00:24:21 ◼   ► of your life, but I thought you kind of wanted Google in your life, given that

00:24:24 ◼   ► you're using like Gemini and whatnot.

00:24:25 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:24:26 ◼   ► So yeah, there's a reason why I don't really want that kind of option.

00:24:29 ◼   ► Number one is, yes, I basically do just want Google in my life right now, because again,

00:24:36 ◼   ► I, this is more, we're not talking about AI this episode, we're doing great so far, but

00:24:42 ◼   ► we've gotten a lot of feedback of like, here's a, here's another, yet another Chrome-based

00:24:48 ◼   ► or Chromium-based browser.

00:24:50 ◼   ► Why don't you use this instead?

00:24:52 ◼   ► I have used Chromium-based browsers over the years.

00:24:55 ◼   ► I had, I used Brave for a while, never as my primary, but always like, I always wanted

00:25:00 ◼   ► to keep a Chrome-based browser around for compatibility stuff and, you know, sites that required it.

00:25:04 ◼   ► And I always found those browsers to be not only more of a pain in the butt, but overall,

00:25:12 ◼   ► not a better experience than using Chrome.

00:25:15 ◼   ► It was more of a sidestep.

00:25:17 ◼   ► Like some things would be better, some things would be worse.

00:25:19 ◼   ► I've never really been that impressed by them.

00:25:22 ◼   ► And in this case, with my giving in to Google, I'm both seeking, you know, Google's direct

00:25:29 ◼   ► services, obviously, as I was saying with Gemini, but also I want there to be as few like pain

00:25:36 ◼   ► in the butt problems as possible.

00:25:38 ◼   ► I don't want a single incompatibility.

00:25:41 ◼   ► I don't want a single piece of additional friction.

00:25:43 ◼   ► And every time I used a non-Chrome, Chrome-based browser, I would have occasional little bits

00:25:51 ◼   ► of additional friction.

00:25:52 ◼   ► Something wouldn't work right, or something would bother me, or something would, you know,

00:25:57 ◼   ► need to be updated in some weird way.

00:25:58 ◼   ► Like, and regular Chrome just has never done that for me.

00:26:02 ◼   ► This isn't the first time I've used regular Chrome.

00:26:05 ◼   ► Like, I used to have it installed for many years.

00:26:07 ◼   ► So I kind of know what I'm in for with Chrome.

00:26:10 ◼   ► I actually don't see all those alternative browsers as being a better fit for me.

00:26:14 ◼   ► It's the year of basic, and Helium is not basic.

00:26:19 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:26:19 ◼   ► All right.

00:26:21 ◼   ► With regard to windows resizing in Tahoe, what's the recap on this, John?

00:26:25 ◼   ► This is the thing where the edges are super rounded, and you can't actually resize by the

00:26:29 ◼   ► edges.

00:26:29 ◼   ► Yeah, like they made the corners of the windows much more rounded in Tahoe, but they didn't

00:26:34 ◼   ► move the area of the imaginary rectangular window that you click on to resize it.

00:26:41 ◼   ► And so the clickable resize area is increasingly incongruous with the actual outline of the window

00:26:48 ◼   ► in Tahoe, and there was a whole bunch of complaints about that.

00:26:50 ◼   ► Righto.

00:26:51 ◼   ► So Jeff Johnson noted that in the macOS Tahoe 26.3 RC release notes, there's a section app

00:26:58 ◼   ► kit, a section resolved issues, in which it says, window resize areas now follow corner

00:27:04 ◼   ► radius instead of using square regions.

00:27:05 ◼   ► Then later, in the 26.3 release, Norbert Hager, who is the co-founder of Objective Development

00:27:12 ◼   ► and developer of LaunchBar and Little Snitch, notes, the release notes have been updated.

00:27:15 ◼   ► The problem went from a, quote, resolved issue, quote, to a, quote, known issue, quote.

00:27:19 ◼   ► And there's a little bit of discussion about that, including a very trick sample app that

00:27:23 ◼   ► Norbert wrote that you should see like a little gif of.

00:27:26 ◼   ► So basically, in the RC, they're like, we fixed it.

00:27:28 ◼   ► And then in the release, they're like, just kidding.

00:27:29 ◼   ► It's back to exactly how it was before.

00:27:31 ◼   ► So I don't know if the fix, I mean, I was all ready to say in this section, you know, I had

00:27:35 ◼   ► this whole big spiel about I can kind of understand why they didn't change the resize region, because

00:27:39 ◼   ► moving that region could potentially mess with content in people's windows and potentially

00:27:43 ◼   ► break apps by making certain things in the window unclickable because they used to not

00:27:48 ◼   ► be under the resize area.

00:27:49 ◼   ► But now they are because Apple moved it.

00:27:51 ◼   ► And so I could understand why they wouldn't want to do that.

00:27:53 ◼   ► But then in the RC, it's like, well, they moved it.

00:27:55 ◼   ► So I guess that was a compatibility problem.

00:27:57 ◼   ► And then they released, they undid that change.

00:27:58 ◼   ► So maybe it was a compatibility problem.

00:28:00 ◼   ► Who knows?

00:28:01 ◼   ► But yeah, the app, the app that Norbert made is really cool.

00:28:03 ◼   ► Like it basically just moves the cursor across the things and like an automated way and maps

00:28:07 ◼   ► out a pixel at a time exactly where the resize regions are and then visualizes them.

00:28:11 ◼   ► So please do follow this link in the show notes.

00:28:12 ◼   ► Norbert was the person who first posted about this, by the way, we just, I didn't have all

00:28:17 ◼   ► his info on him at the time.

00:28:18 ◼   ► So anyways, a well-known developer, but just not known to me, but very cool work, very cool

00:28:24 ◼   ► app and very cool visualization of the problem in Tahoe.

00:28:27 ◼   ► Airtag 2, there's been a lot of conversation about whether or not it's easier to tamper with

00:28:32 ◼   ► them, particularly removing the speaker, which I guess dirtbags are want to do in order to track

00:28:37 ◼   ► people and not have them alerted.

00:28:39 ◼   ► I fix it, did a teardown and a video about it.

00:28:41 ◼   ► It's very short.

00:28:42 ◼   ► We'll put a link in the show notes and they found basically no improvement.

00:28:44 ◼   ► It was still pretty trivial to disable the speaker.

00:28:46 ◼   ► If you have physical access to the Airtag, a sad trumbo.

00:28:50 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:28:50 ◼   ► Again, I don't know.

00:28:51 ◼   ► I'm not sure there's anything you can really do in that scenario unless you like seal the

00:28:55 ◼   ► thing and encase it in carbonite or whatever, or you can't actually get any of the parts

00:28:59 ◼   ► like seal it into a, you know, I don't know.

00:29:02 ◼   ► I guess if the, if the battery, you can get at the battery and then the rest of it could

00:29:05 ◼   ► be encased in acrylic or something.

00:29:06 ◼   ► I mean, I can imagine solutions, but it's, it's tricky.

00:29:09 ◼   ► But anyway, it's not, it's not tricky to all of these things.

00:29:11 ◼   ► You just open it up and snip the wires to the speaker and you're done.

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00:30:52 ◼   ► With regard to your journey with Cloudflare and restricting access to stuff, you were

00:31:02 ◼   ► talking, I think, about your vibe-coded, we're still not talking about AI, your vibe-coded

00:31:07 ◼   ► status board.

00:31:07 ◼   ► You're doing a great job.

00:31:08 ◼   ► So far, I'm batting 1,000.

00:31:10 ◼   ► You do terribly.

00:31:11 ◼   ► Your vibe-coded status board.

00:31:14 ◼   ► And we actually had George Black write in and say, I work on the access team here at Cloudflare.

00:31:19 ◼   ► While Access falls under our zero-trust umbrella of enterprise products, it actually works great

00:31:23 ◼   ► as a standalone service for securing personal web apps.

00:31:25 ◼   ► This is how a lot of people use the service.

00:31:27 ◼   ► I think you'll find it surprisingly easy to set up.

00:31:30 ◼   ► It takes just a few clicks in the dashboard.

00:31:31 ◼   ► No need to install or configure anything on your machine.

00:31:33 ◼   ► I made a quick video tutorial for John in case he's interested.

00:31:36 ◼   ► This was like a 10-minute video, which I watched and was riveted by.

00:31:39 ◼   ► George did a great job explaining it.

00:31:40 ◼   ► And if you're interested in this sort of thing, it's very much worth your time.

00:31:43 ◼   ► Yeah, very cool.

00:31:44 ◼   ► Still isn't really what I'm looking for, but it's good to know that it's there.

00:31:48 ◼   ► And setting it up is very easy and does not actually require you to get an OpenID Connect

00:31:53 ◼   ► server or do any weird VPN stuff or whatever.

00:31:56 ◼   ► It's basically just clicking around.

00:31:57 ◼   ► Like so many things, it's basically like clicking around in the Cloudflare dashboard a little

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00:32:02 ◼   ► And then you're off to the races.

00:32:03 ◼   ► So check out the video.

00:32:04 ◼   ► Even though the video is personally directly addressing me by name, which is weird, check

00:32:08 ◼   ► it out.

00:32:09 ◼   ► Just pretend your name is John.

00:32:10 ◼   ► Oh man, that's great.

00:32:14 ◼   ► In other news, you moved to Fastmail, which I believe we talked about, right?

00:32:20 ◼   ► We did.

00:32:20 ◼   ► Okay, right.

00:32:21 ◼   ► Okay, good.

00:32:21 ◼   ► And Fastmail just tweeted, posted on Mastodon, why don't you hear about Pearl in the headlines?

00:32:28 ◼   ► Because it works and keeps working.

00:32:30 ◼   ► Something the best technology, sometimes the best technology is the most boring.

00:32:33 ◼   ► And this is relevant because Fastmail has donated 10,000 American dollar-y-dos to the Pearl

00:32:38 ◼   ► in Raku Foundation.

00:32:40 ◼   ► Raku?

00:32:40 ◼   ► Raku?

00:32:41 ◼   ► What the hell is that?

00:32:42 ◼   ► I would say Raku.

00:32:42 ◼   ► Okay.

00:32:43 ◼   ► What is that?

00:32:44 ◼   ► Sounds like a Star Wars planet.

00:32:45 ◼   ► That's the artist formerly known as Pearl Six.

00:32:47 ◼   ► They renamed the entire freaking version to a new name?

00:32:51 ◼   ► It's a long, sad story.

00:32:53 ◼   ► What's the short short?

00:32:55 ◼   ► The short short is, Pearl Six was taking a really long time and it was, because it had

00:33:00 ◼   ► the name Pearl and the number one bigger than Pearl Five, it was kind of like stealing all

00:33:05 ◼   ► of Pearl Five's thunder and Pearl Five wanted to go ahead, but it felt like it couldn't go

00:33:09 ◼   ► anywhere because who's going to pay attention to Pearl Five when Pearl Six exists?

00:33:11 ◼   ► And they solved the problem by saying, guess what?

00:33:13 ◼   ► Pearl Six is now, they just switched to like their code name, right?

00:33:16 ◼   ► It's like when you get a pet with like a name you think you're going to change and you

00:33:19 ◼   ► don't change it anyway.

00:33:20 ◼   ► So now Pearl Five was free to go forward with the Pearl name and advance itself without

00:33:24 ◼   ► everybody saying, why are you working on that?

00:33:25 ◼   ► Isn't it dead?

00:33:26 ◼   ► Pearl Six is going to replace it.

00:33:27 ◼   ► Now when it's called Pearl and Raku, no one thinks that anymore.

00:33:30 ◼   ► Not that it's really particularly relevant.

00:33:32 ◼   ► That's the best summary I can give.

00:33:34 ◼   ► It's way more complicated and drama filled than that as these things always are.

00:33:38 ◼   ► But anyway, yeah, the foundation supports both of them.

00:33:42 ◼   ► So that's why it's not just the Pearl Foundation.

00:33:43 ◼   ► It's the Pearl and Raku Foundation.

00:33:45 ◼   ► So what are you using for your projects?

00:33:47 ◼   ► Just plain old Pearl, Pearl Five.

00:33:49 ◼   ► Which has continued to advance and does lots of things.

00:33:52 ◼   ► And yeah, whenever I see someone writing Pearl Code and I look at it and I'm like, that

00:33:56 ◼   ► Pearl Code has been frozen in amber since the 90s.

00:33:58 ◼   ► Pearl has actually advanced as a language and has new features.

00:34:01 ◼   ► And Raku also exists, which is mostly being ignored by almost everybody, including me.

00:34:05 ◼   ► But Pearl Five is still out there and I'm glad seeing Fast Metal donate to it.

00:34:09 ◼   ► And why would they be donating to it?

00:34:10 ◼   ► Well, hold on.

00:34:11 ◼   ► I'm not done interrogating you yet.

00:34:12 ◼   ► Is there anything that Raku, whatever it's called, brings to the table that you're enthusiastic

00:34:17 ◼   ► about?

00:34:17 ◼   ► Oh yeah, no, it's got lots of really cool features as a language.

00:34:20 ◼   ► I mean, I've talked, I used to talk about it a lot on the show when Swift was being developed.

00:34:24 ◼   ► I talked about it a lot because Swift actually takes a lot of ideas from both Pearl Five and

00:34:27 ◼   ► Pearl Six and what was formerly known as Pearl Six.

00:34:29 ◼   ► Raku's got tons of great ideas.

00:34:31 ◼   ► The problem is it doesn't really have like a solid implementation and community and everything

00:34:36 ◼   ► like all the other sort of ecosystem things surrounding it.

00:34:39 ◼   ► And part of the promise of Pearl Six to me has always been in my mind that due to all the

00:34:45 ◼   ► advancements in the language, it should also have higher performance and lower memory overhead

00:34:49 ◼   ► and all these great things.

00:34:50 ◼   ► And that has not materialized either.

00:34:52 ◼   ► So it's mostly just a, it's not a curiosity, but it's like it is a lesser used language with

00:34:57 ◼   ► lots of very interesting features without like a bulletproof production implementation that

00:35:02 ◼   ► tons of people are banging on all the time.

00:35:03 ◼   ► So I'm not sure what the future holds for Raku, very interesting language from a language

00:35:07 ◼   ► design perspective, lots of ideas that every other language should steal, but I don't feel

00:35:11 ◼   ► like it, it has the community or the, uh, the, the time and implementation of even Pearl

00:35:17 ◼   ► Five, let alone all the other more modern languages, uh, to show that it is production ready and

00:35:21 ◼   ► substantially better than its press assessor when it comes down to just running all the time

00:35:25 ◼   ► on a server or whatever.

00:35:26 ◼   ► Fair enough.

00:35:27 ◼   ► Well, I appreciate it.

00:35:28 ◼   ► Uh, remember we're not learning long tonight.

00:35:31 ◼   ► Anyway, uh, fast mail donated 10 grand to the Pearl and Raku foundation reading from

00:35:36 ◼   ► the pearl.com, uh, post about it.

00:35:38 ◼   ► Pearl has served us quite well since, Oh, I'm sorry.

00:35:41 ◼   ► Let me back up a half step.

00:35:42 ◼   ► This is from the pearl.com post, but this is a quote from Ricardo Cignez, uh, who is the

00:35:47 ◼   ► director and chief developer experience officer at fast mail.

00:35:50 ◼   ► Also former pump King of Pearl programming language.

00:35:53 ◼   ► If you don't know what that is, you can look it up, but this is the Pearl connections run

00:35:58 ◼   ► deep at fast mail is what I'm saying.

00:35:59 ◼   ► Okay.

00:36:00 ◼   ► So, uh, Ricardo says Pearl has served us quite well since fast mail's inception.

00:36:03 ◼   ► We've built up a large code base that has continued to work, grow and improve over 20

00:36:07 ◼   ► years.

00:36:07 ◼   ► We've stuck with Pearl because Pearl stuck with us.

00:36:09 ◼   ► It kept working and growing and improving.

00:36:11 ◼   ► And we very rarely did those improvements require us to stop the world and adapt to onerous changes.

00:36:16 ◼   ► We know that kind of stability is in part, a function of the developers of Pearl whose

00:36:20 ◼   ► time is spent figuring out how to make Pearl better without also making it worse.

00:36:23 ◼   ► The money we give towards these efforts is well spent because it keeps the improvements

00:36:27 ◼   ► coming in the language reliable.

00:36:29 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:36:29 ◼   ► They're very, there's a very strong sort of backwards compatibility culture in Pearl to

00:36:33 ◼   ► a fault where like, I remember there was just this huge debate years ago over removing

00:36:37 ◼   ► EBCDX support, which I'm pronouncing in a weird way.

00:36:39 ◼   ► You know what I'm talking about though?

00:36:40 ◼   ► Like the thing, the thing that's not ASCII for encoding letters is a bunch of numbers.

00:36:44 ◼   ► E B C D I C, something like that.

00:36:47 ◼   ► Anyway, we're like, can we remove that from the language?

00:36:49 ◼   ► Is anyone who's still using it?

00:36:50 ◼   ► It's like, what, what century or where are we here?

00:36:53 ◼   ► What's going on?

00:36:54 ◼   ► That's, that's the kind of dedication that had to backward compatibility.

00:36:57 ◼   ► And then of course, Pearl at six overshadowing, it was just making it so it was difficult

00:37:00 ◼   ► to advance.

00:37:00 ◼   ► Uh, now with that out of the way, slowly, steadily, carefully, always with very careful backward

00:37:06 ◼   ► compatibility, Pearl five has been advancing.

00:37:09 ◼   ► Um, and that's great for a production system, uh, because new, uh, versions of the language

00:37:13 ◼   ► will fix bugs and have better performance and add new features, but not break your existing

00:37:18 ◼   ► application.

00:37:19 ◼   ► Uh, also, if you were interested in throwing John a little affiliate revenue and if you're

00:37:25 ◼   ► interested in fast mail, which you should be, uh, I don't recall if they've ever responded

00:37:28 ◼   ► to the show, but, uh, certainly they get our, uh, okie dokie.

00:37:31 ◼   ► Uh, where is your referral link, John?

00:37:33 ◼   ► It's hypercritical.co slash fast mail link will be in the show notes.

00:37:37 ◼   ► Uh, we have yet another sob story, horror story about, uh, doing purchase migration

00:37:43 ◼   ► with your Apple account.

00:37:44 ◼   ► Nick writes that I purchased final cut pro for 500 Australian dollars and logic pro for

00:37:50 ◼   ► 300 bucks on a secondary Apple ID.

00:37:52 ◼   ► I chose to migrate the purchases to my primary Apple ID because I was sick of having to sign

00:37:55 ◼   ► in and out of the app store to update the software.

00:37:57 ◼   ► Since Apple made it possible to migrate purchases, I thought this was a perfect opportunity.

00:38:00 ◼   ► Oh, how wrong I was.

00:38:03 ◼   ► It turns out migrating purchases simply allows the new account to access.

00:38:07 ◼   ► access these purchases, but the licenses remain with the previous account.

00:38:11 ◼   ► So when I deleted the old account, the purchases went with it.

00:38:13 ◼   ► Apple told me that because the purchases were linked to the old account that was deleted,

00:38:17 ◼   ► there was nothing they could do.

00:38:18 ◼   ► Apparently migration isn't migration at all.

00:38:20 ◼   ► Seems like a useless feature to me yet still totally an Apple thing to do.

00:38:24 ◼   ► Can confirm.

00:38:24 ◼   ► Uh, yes, I am aware now that it does say that if the secondary account is deleted, the purchases

00:38:29 ◼   ► go with it in the Apple knowledge base.

00:38:31 ◼   ► We'll put that link in the show notes.

00:38:32 ◼   ► Uh, but I was unaware of that at the time or probably forgot as I deleted the secondary

00:38:36 ◼   ► account about a month later, though.

00:38:38 ◼   ► This still doesn't negate the fact that migration implies a migration and not simply sharing the

00:38:42 ◼   ► purchases.

00:38:42 ◼   ► Maybe they should call it purchase sharing instead.

00:38:45 ◼   ► I had no idea this existed either.

00:38:47 ◼   ► Uh, and I would never assume that it did.

00:38:49 ◼   ► And I feel bad, like just boy, how many ways can they mess up these features?

00:38:53 ◼   ► Like a lot of our stories, like, oh, I tried to do it and there was weird bugs and nobody

00:38:57 ◼   ► could figure it out.

00:38:57 ◼   ► But this is not a bug.

00:38:58 ◼   ► This is how the feature works.

00:39:01 ◼   ► And I don't think anyone would ever guess if you describe the purchase migration feature

00:39:05 ◼   ► at a high level or just hear the name that it doesn't actually migrate the purchases.

00:39:10 ◼   ► It just lets you use them.

00:39:10 ◼   ► And if you ever delete the old Apple ID, which of course you want to do, like the whole point

00:39:14 ◼   ► of purchase migration is like, let me consolidate my life and get rid of that old stuff.

00:39:17 ◼   ► And now I'll just delete that so I don't have to worry about it.

00:39:18 ◼   ► Nope.

00:39:19 ◼   ► That will take away all your purchases.

00:39:20 ◼   ► And as usual for with stories where someone doesn't have a mechanism to quote unquote run

00:39:25 ◼   ► to the press, uh, Apple just can't help at all.

00:39:28 ◼   ► There was, there was more to the store, which is like, well, no, we can't help you with your,

00:39:31 ◼   ► whatever it was, $800 worth of software you bought from us.

00:39:34 ◼   ► You're just SOL.

00:39:35 ◼   ► Sorry.

00:39:35 ◼   ► But Hey, you want to get a free accessory from the Apple store, which was the same thing

00:39:38 ◼   ► that said to me.

00:39:39 ◼   ► It's probably their big go-to.

00:39:40 ◼   ► Uh, and Nick was like, sure, I'll take this.

00:39:42 ◼   ► And they're like, no, that's too expensive.

00:39:43 ◼   ► Now you get nothing.

00:39:44 ◼   ► Great.

00:39:46 ◼   ► It's terrible customer service, terrible feature.

00:39:48 ◼   ► Be really careful with this.

00:39:49 ◼   ► There's a reason whenever these things come up, uh, I'm always so cynical about it.

00:39:53 ◼   ► I'm like, yeah, Apple says they have this feature, but anything having to do with Apple IDs or

00:39:57 ◼   ► warranties or whatever, uh, be cautious because historically speaking, these features have not

00:40:02 ◼   ► been implemented well.

00:40:03 ◼   ► And because they're a big corporation, there's often very little recourse to get things resolved.

00:40:07 ◼   ► All right.

00:40:08 ◼   ► Uh, we have some semi-breaking news.

00:40:11 ◼   ► I think it was either earlier today or perhaps yesterday that, uh, YouTube is now available

00:40:15 ◼   ► as a native app on the Apple vision pro.

00:40:17 ◼   ► Uh, you get a pretty much full YouTube client.

00:40:20 ◼   ► In addition, you can use a, in a different tab, you can get spatial videos as well as 3d

00:40:26 ◼   ► VR one 80 and three 60 videos.

00:40:28 ◼   ► Uh, this is genuinely very exciting.

00:40:30 ◼   ► It was an extreme, um, omission to not have YouTube or Netflix on the platform when it launched

00:40:36 ◼   ► and hadn't been in until, well, at least YouTube hadn't been until a day or two ago.

00:40:40 ◼   ► Uh, I haven't had the chance to plug in my vision pro in the last couple of days.

00:40:45 ◼   ► I did want to try this before recording, but I was running around like a crazy person today.

00:40:48 ◼   ► Uh, but my understanding is it's mostly pretty good.

00:40:51 ◼   ► I think the only major complaint that I've heard, I think I'd seen on, uh, Andrew Edwards,

00:40:55 ◼   ► uh, like Instagram or something like that, that you can't download videos, which is kind

00:40:59 ◼   ► of a bummer.

00:41:00 ◼   ► But other than that, I guess it's pretty good.

00:41:01 ◼   ► John, have you had a chance to try this yet?

00:41:02 ◼   ► Yeah, I tried it out.

00:41:03 ◼   ► It seems fine.

00:41:05 ◼   ► It's, it's basically like what you would expect a very minimal official YouTube client.

00:41:09 ◼   ► I'm, I never tried Juno, the, the one from, uh, that was very good.

00:41:13 ◼   ► Christian Selleck, they got booted off the app store because Google was like, no, only

00:41:17 ◼   ► we can make a YouTube app.

00:41:18 ◼   ► Sorry.

00:41:18 ◼   ► Uh, I'm glad they eventually did, but you know, the app seems very basic and bare bones.

00:41:23 ◼   ► I did go to the spatial tab and the content there is not suitable for vision pro.

00:41:29 ◼   ► It's very low resolution, blurry.

00:41:32 ◼   ► I don't know if any of it is actually even stereoscopic.

00:41:35 ◼   ► It is not impressive.

00:41:36 ◼   ► So don't expect you're going to get the YouTube app and like finally this world, because they

00:41:39 ◼   ► all, they're all labeled with their thumbnails that say 16 K 360, whatever.

00:41:43 ◼   ► And it's just a gigantic blurry mess.

00:41:45 ◼   ► Uh, you know, it's anyway, that's not, that's not the fault of the client.

00:41:48 ◼   ► This is just, all I'm saying is that vision pro content is not really available in any capacity

00:41:54 ◼   ► that I could find on YouTube.

00:41:56 ◼   ► So you're still stuck going back to the TV app, Apple's own TV app, and looking at the

00:42:01 ◼   ► very limited selection of stuff they have there.

00:42:02 ◼   ► Um, and my question about this, like why now I'm wondering if this is part of the whole deal

00:42:08 ◼   ► between Apple and Google to license the Gemini stuff, or is it just a happy coincidence that

00:42:12 ◼   ► they finally relented and released a bare bones YouTube client for vision pro who knows?

00:42:17 ◼   ► Nobody's saying, but, uh, I'm glad it exists because it was silly that it didn't before.

00:42:21 ◼   ► No, it would be wild.

00:42:22 ◼   ► I do not think this is the case, but it would be wild if like maybe the terms of the Gemini

00:42:26 ◼   ► deal were, well, you have to put a YouTube on the vision pro and they're like, no, we don't

00:42:31 ◼   ► want to bother with it.

00:42:32 ◼   ► And then Apple says, well, what if we wrote the app?

00:42:34 ◼   ► Cause isn't that what they did for a Google maps?

00:42:36 ◼   ► They used to do that for all the things like Apple provided Google provided the map tiles,

00:42:40 ◼   ► but then Apple wrote the app and the original YouTube app on the iPhone was an Apple app

00:42:43 ◼   ► as well.

00:42:44 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:42:44 ◼   ► We're saying the same thing.

00:42:45 ◼   ► So can you imagine if they were like, fine, we'll do it.

00:42:47 ◼   ► Just let us do it.

00:42:48 ◼   ► I think Apple would have done a little bit of a better job.

00:42:50 ◼   ► Not that it's a bad app.

00:42:51 ◼   ► It just seems very kind of, it's very basic.

00:42:53 ◼   ► Not, there's not much to it.

00:42:54 ◼   ► And the little player overlay thing that goes in the bottom of the window did not look

00:42:59 ◼   ► Apple-y to me.

00:43:00 ◼   ► Like I felt like the, the, the, the distribution of white space was unharmonious in a way that I

00:43:05 ◼   ► detected, but who knows?

00:43:06 ◼   ► It just didn't seem Apple-y to me.

00:43:07 ◼   ► So I think Google did this one, but who knows?

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00:45:01 ◼   ► The Apple Studio Display 2 is rumored to have a 90 kilohertz refresh rate instead of 120

00:45:07 ◼   ► hertz.

00:45:08 ◼   ► I just said kilohertz.

00:45:09 ◼   ► A 90 hertz refresh rate instead of 120 hertz.

00:45:11 ◼   ► My bad.

00:45:11 ◼   ► The reading from Mac Rumors.

00:45:13 ◼   ► In November 2024, an anonymous listener of the Relay FM Tech podcast upgrade claimed that

00:45:18 ◼   ► Apple was developing a 90 hertz display technology that could be used for the next studio display,

00:45:23 ◼   ► as well as future iPad Air and iMac models.

00:45:25 ◼   ► Now, a Mac Rumors tipster has backed up that claim based on alleged information from an internal

00:45:30 ◼   ► build of iOS 26 that was leaked online.

00:45:31 ◼   ► Indeed, they believe the next studio display is likely to max out at 90 hertz rather than

00:45:37 ◼   ► 120 hertz.

00:45:38 ◼   ► The tipster believes that a 90 hertz refresh rate would make sense due to bandwidth considerations.

00:45:42 ◼   ► Thunderbolt 5 can support 5K resolution at 120 hertz without any compression, but they

00:45:46 ◼   ► think Apple likely wants to ensure that there will be plenty of remaining bandwidth for connecting

00:45:49 ◼   ► other devices and peripherals to the new studio display.

00:45:52 ◼   ► The rumor still warrants some skepticism.

00:45:54 ◼   ► The internal iOS 26 build the tipster cited is from early 2025.

00:45:58 ◼   ► So Apple's plans may have changed since then.

00:46:00 ◼   ► Not to agree with the tipster's logic here.

00:46:02 ◼   ► Like, yeah, you can reduce bandwidth by lowering the refresh rate.

00:46:05 ◼   ► But if you only have one monitor connected, just use all the bandwidth like you're the only

00:46:10 ◼   ► monitor connected.

00:46:11 ◼   ► I want 120 hertz.

00:46:12 ◼   ► I really hope this is not true because like how many years have we waited for Apple to

00:46:17 ◼   ► finally break the 60 hertz barrier on its desktop displays?

00:46:20 ◼   ► It's just 120 is not like it's not rocket science.

00:46:25 ◼   ► It's been on it's been all their dinky little phones.

00:46:27 ◼   ► It's on the Macs, iPads.

00:46:30 ◼   ► It's it's table stakes.

00:46:31 ◼   ► Like what like what are they doing?

00:46:35 ◼   ► Like, is there some kind of differentiation?

00:46:37 ◼   ► I'm like, oh, well, the studio displays for $1,600 can only go to 90 hertz.

00:46:40 ◼   ► But if you want 120 hertz, you have to buy the pro display XDR 2 for $7,000.

00:46:45 ◼   ► Don't give them ideas.

00:46:46 ◼   ► You can give them ideas.

00:46:47 ◼   ► You can get it.

00:46:48 ◼   ► As we discussed, you can get like a PC gaming display.

00:46:51 ◼   ► It does like 400 hertz for, you know, $800, like half the price.

00:46:55 ◼   ► It's ridiculous.

00:46:56 ◼   ► So I really hope this is not true.

00:46:58 ◼   ► Not because 90 hertz is so bad, but it's like under 20 hertz is better.

00:47:01 ◼   ► Macs already have under 20 hertz like the laptops, the good laptops for the desktops, which we

00:47:07 ◼   ► know are just never updated to not get 120 hertz.

00:47:10 ◼   ► Like, OK, well, I guess I'll go back to sleep for another eight years and wait for them to

00:47:14 ◼   ► finally get to 120 hertz.

00:47:15 ◼   ► It's ridiculous.

00:47:16 ◼   ► Please let this not be true.

00:47:18 ◼   ► I was chit-chatting with Underscore.

00:47:19 ◼   ► We did our monthly FaceTime earlier this week, and he was talking about his XDR and pointed

00:47:25 ◼   ► out to me that that thing is like eight years old or something like that.

00:47:28 ◼   ► I forget exactly what we concluded, but it is astonishingly old, given the fact that it

00:47:33 ◼   ► seems to me like it was, oh, that's what it was.

00:47:35 ◼   ► We realized that we had seen the launch at WWDC 2019 because we had gone across the street

00:47:42 ◼   ► from the McHenry or whatever it was to that like concert venue or whatever.

00:47:46 ◼   ► I forget exactly what it was called, but then they had like the pro display, like walk through

00:47:51 ◼   ► museum sort of a situation where they showed you like the Mac Pro doing a billion different

00:47:57 ◼   ► instruments.

00:47:57 ◼   ► And like they had the Toy Story 4 like carnival area being rendered on a Mac Pro against a

00:48:03 ◼   ► pro display XDR and stuff like that.

00:48:04 ◼   ► So, yeah, it's 2019, if I'm not mistaken.

00:48:07 ◼   ► There's another rumor from Mac Rumors is Hartley Charlton at Mac Rumors writes, Apple is expected

00:48:12 ◼   ► to use TSMC's base two nanometer N2 process rather than the newer N2P variant for its upcoming

00:48:19 ◼   ► A20 and M6 chips, according to the China Times.

00:48:22 ◼   ► TSMC previously said that its base N2 process would enter mass production in 2026, followed

00:48:27 ◼   ► by enhanced variants, including N2P and A16 in the second half of the year.

00:48:32 ◼   ► Let's pause here for a second and just really applaud for the just massive namespace pollution

00:48:38 ◼   ► and confusion with TSMC naming its next process A16.

00:48:42 ◼   ► Oh, man, that won't be confusing at all.

00:48:46 ◼   ► Not good.

00:48:46 ◼   ► Especially since what are the Intel ones called?

00:48:49 ◼   ► Don't they have names with A in them?

00:48:51 ◼   ► I don't remember.

00:48:52 ◼   ► No, theirs are called like 18A.

00:48:53 ◼   ► Oh, yeah.

00:48:54 ◼   ► Yeah, they have 18A, but this is A16, which is going to be used to make the A21 processor,

00:48:59 ◼   ► but it follows N2P.

00:49:02 ◼   ► Guys, guys, let's get together on this, please.

00:49:05 ◼   ► They should name Sony headphones.

00:49:06 ◼   ► Right.

00:49:07 ◼   ► These are short, but that's the problem.

00:49:08 ◼   ► Everyone wants to call their thing A and then a very short number, but like coordinate, please.

00:49:14 ◼   ► Continuing from Hartley, N2P is positioned as a higher-performance version of N2,

00:49:19 ◼   ► while A16 is designed for high-power and high-complexity chips,

00:49:23 ◼   ► particularly for AI applications, darn it, and data centers.

00:49:26 ◼   ► On a roll.

00:49:28 ◼   ► The performance difference between N2 and N2P is expected to be modest.

00:49:31 ◼   ► N2P offers roughly a 5% performance gain at the same power level,

00:49:36 ◼   ► but comes at a higher manufacturing cost,

00:49:38 ◼   ► which helps explain why Apple is expected to remain on N2 for its A and M series chips this year.

00:49:44 ◼   ► It's a little bit weird because the whole deal with Apple's last several rounds

00:49:49 ◼   ► is that Apple would pay through the nose for the very most expensive process

00:49:55 ◼   ► that no one else wanted to pay for,

00:49:56 ◼   ► simply because they had to have the very best of the best for their phones.

00:49:59 ◼   ► I forget the last time they did that.

00:50:00 ◼   ► It was the 3 nanometer one where they, I have already forgotten the names.

00:50:04 ◼   ► It was like the original N3, no, N3B or something.

00:50:08 ◼   ► I've forgotten.

00:50:08 ◼   ► See past episodes of the show.

00:50:10 ◼   ► But Apple paid for the one that nobody else wanted to use

00:50:13 ◼   ► because the yields were just not good.

00:50:14 ◼   ► So it was so expensive.

00:50:15 ◼   ► But it's like, look, if you want,

00:50:17 ◼   ► if you want to have these 3 nanometer chips ready for your phones,

00:50:19 ◼   ► you know, you've designed them around the idea these are going to come.

00:50:22 ◼   ► You're just going to have to pay through the nose.

00:50:24 ◼   ► And they bought up like all the capacity of that.

00:50:26 ◼   ► And as soon as Apple was done with that,

00:50:27 ◼   ► they just never used that process.

00:50:29 ◼   ► Well, actually, I think they did for some of the later M series.

00:50:31 ◼   ► But the point is it was expensive and Apple paid for it.

00:50:33 ◼   ► And now this is a more frugal Apple saying,

00:50:35 ◼   ► do we need the most expensive, fanciest one?

00:50:39 ◼   ► Or can we just go with the cheaper one?

00:50:40 ◼   ► It also may be because they have to make literally millions and millions of iPhones

00:50:45 ◼   ► and they can't make millions and millions of them on N2P.

00:50:49 ◼   ► So they have to go with the cheaper one.

00:50:50 ◼   ► But it's either unfortunate timing or Apple being wisely frugal.

00:50:54 ◼   ► Because honestly, I'm sure it'll be fine either way.

00:50:56 ◼   ► Like it'll be a jump from the three nanometer note either way.

00:50:59 ◼   ► And it'll leave the door open for them to use the better N2 and A whatever processes

00:51:05 ◼   ► for their later chips.

00:51:06 ◼   ► All right.

00:51:07 ◼   ► So we mentioned at the beginning of our 30 minute,

00:51:10 ◼   ► but don't worry, it's a short day today pre-show that we weren't going to be

00:51:14 ◼   ► or that we didn't know of any M5 MacBook Pros or anything like that.

00:51:18 ◼   ► And we wanted to focus specifically on some interesting rumors with regard to the M5 Pro,

00:51:23 ◼   ► the chip, that there may not be an M5 Pro chip at all.

00:51:26 ◼   ► So reading from Julie Clover at MacRumors,

00:51:29 ◼   ► the iOS 26.3 release candidate includes references to a pair of unreleased chips

00:51:33 ◼   ► that are in the M5 family, according to information found by Nicholas Alvarez.

00:51:37 ◼   ► Chip one in the beta is a T6051, T6051, H17C, which we believe to be the M5 Max.

00:51:45 ◼   ► Chip two in the beta is 6052, H17D, which is assumed to be the M5 Ultra.

00:51:52 ◼   ► But not mentioned in the beta is the T6050, H17S, or M5 Pro.

00:51:58 ◼   ► It's not clear why we are only seeing signs of an M5 Max and M5 Ultra chip,

00:52:02 ◼   ► but rumors suggest that the new MacBook Pro models with higher end M5 chips

00:52:05 ◼   ► are set to launch in the next few weeks.

00:52:06 ◼   ► Now, Ben Lovejoy at 9to5Mac writes,

00:52:09 ◼   ► a new report suggests that the M5 Pro and M5 Max might not be two distinct chips,

00:52:13 ◼   ► but rather variants of the same one.

00:52:16 ◼   ► So, with that in mind, 9to5Mac, back in December of 2024,

00:52:20 ◼   ► not this past December, but one prior,

00:52:22 ◼   ► writes the M5 Pro Max and Ultra will use a 2.5D packaging called SOICMH,

00:52:28 ◼   ► or Molding Horizontal, to improve production yields and thermal performance,

00:52:32 ◼   ► featuring separate CPU and GPU designs.

00:52:36 ◼   ► Then, finally, Vadim Yuryev, who is the host of the MaxTech YouTube channel,

00:52:41 ◼   ► tweeted,

00:52:41 ◼   ► just figured out why Apple's M5 Pro chip did not show up in the recent beta code leak.

00:52:46 ◼   ► Apple is using the new 2.5D chip tech,

00:52:48 ◼   ► allowing them to use a single M5 Max chip design

00:52:51 ◼   ► for both the M5 Pro and M5 Max models.

00:52:54 ◼   ► This saves Apple lots of money on SKUs and design.

00:52:57 ◼   ► I don't know if Vadim has any inside info or if he's just spinning fantastical ideas,

00:53:02 ◼   ► but I thought this was very interesting.

00:53:03 ◼   ► First, to go rewind to the chip codenames.

00:53:06 ◼   ► We talked about this on a past episode,

00:53:07 ◼   ► but, like, these numbers have been very consistent.

00:53:09 ◼   ► The H and the 17 and then the letters at the end.

00:53:13 ◼   ► I think that this MacRumor story has the list of codenames

00:53:17 ◼   ► and we linked to it at one point as well.

00:53:18 ◼   ► But if you go back through time, you can...

00:53:20 ◼   ► I figure what the offset is,

00:53:21 ◼   ► but, like, the H17 is the M5, H16 is the M4, H15 is the M3.

00:53:26 ◼   ► Like, all the way back.

00:53:27 ◼   ► And then the letter suffixes have mostly been consistent.

00:53:30 ◼   ► The Cs are the Maxes.

00:53:31 ◼   ► The Ds are the Ultra.

00:53:32 ◼   ► But also, I think that the Ultra can sometimes be a G.

00:53:34 ◼   ► The S has always been the Pro.

00:53:36 ◼   ► You know, as they say in stocks or whatever,

00:53:39 ◼   ► past performance is not necessarily an indication of future things.

00:53:41 ◼   ► Apple can change the codenames at any time.

00:53:43 ◼   ► But whether or not there is going to be an M5 Pro,

00:53:46 ◼   ► there were only two chips listed here.

00:53:48 ◼   ► And there should be three

00:53:50 ◼   ► because we expect there to be a Max or Pro and an Ultra.

00:53:52 ◼   ► And not seeing...

00:53:54 ◼   ► Only seeing two chips

00:53:56 ◼   ► and having the two existing ones look like they,

00:53:58 ◼   ► for all the world,

00:53:59 ◼   ► that they are the Max and the Ultra codes names,

00:54:00 ◼   ► where is the Pro?

00:54:01 ◼   ► We talked about, like, the 2.5D chip stacking thing

00:54:06 ◼   ► and separating the CPU and GPU

00:54:07 ◼   ► and the potential to, like, you know,

00:54:10 ◼   ► finally divorce the CPU power from the GPU power

00:54:13 ◼   ► to sort of mix and match in a way

00:54:15 ◼   ► that hadn't been possible before.

00:54:16 ◼   ► I still don't think that's likely

00:54:18 ◼   ► just because Apple doesn't want to have a million variants.

00:54:20 ◼   ► They're not going to build to auto your CPU.

00:54:23 ◼   ► They're just going to make a few variants

00:54:24 ◼   ► that they think are appropriate for their machines.

00:54:26 ◼   ► But maybe it means they're having second thoughts

00:54:29 ◼   ► about the Pro chip where it lies in their product line.

00:54:34 ◼   ► And historically, again,

00:54:35 ◼   ► I wish I'd written down the details of this,

00:54:36 ◼   ► but the Pro chip has been weird in many generations

00:54:39 ◼   ► where sometimes it's basically like a Max

00:54:41 ◼   ► with a little bit cut off.

00:54:42 ◼   ► And other times it's more like the base,

00:54:45 ◼   ► no suffix chip with a little bit thrown on.

00:54:47 ◼   ► And other times it's been this weird middle ground.

00:54:49 ◼   ► It's been all over the place.

00:54:50 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:54:51 ◼   ► Maybe Apple doesn't know if the Pro chip has a place.

00:54:54 ◼   ► And it's like maybe, I mean, Apple would know.

00:54:56 ◼   ► We wouldn't like maybe most MacBook Pro buyers

00:54:58 ◼   ► buy the Max or they buy the base.

00:55:00 ◼   ► And a lot of people don't buy the Pro.

00:55:01 ◼   ► So I find this more fascinating

00:55:03 ◼   ► because of the new chip tech

00:55:04 ◼   ► and how this might affect things.

00:55:06 ◼   ► If, you know, Vadim's thing of saying,

00:55:07 ◼   ► oh, it's the same chip or whatever,

00:55:09 ◼   ► I think they would just call them by different names.

00:55:10 ◼   ► Even if they mix and match a different CPU

00:55:12 ◼   ► and GPU combo, that's basically an M5 Pro.

00:55:15 ◼   ► Or it could just be that this build

00:55:17 ◼   ► didn't have the codename in it

00:55:19 ◼   ► because the other two leaked

00:55:19 ◼   ► and there was an if-def that got missed somewhere.

00:55:22 ◼   ► Like, who knows?

00:55:23 ◼   ► But this is making me even more interested

00:55:25 ◼   ► in what these chips are going to look like.

00:55:26 ◼   ► If there really is no Pro,

00:55:28 ◼   ► I personally would be fine with that

00:55:30 ◼   ► because all I care about

00:55:31 ◼   ► is like the high-end and low-end chips.

00:55:32 ◼   ► But I wonder if like Mac mini owners and stuff

00:55:35 ◼   ► would be like, hey, I kind of like the Pro

00:55:36 ◼   ► because it was a nice happy medium

00:55:37 ◼   ► between paying through the nose for the Max

00:55:39 ◼   ► or getting the base chip.

00:55:40 ◼   ► What do you guys think?

00:55:41 ◼   ► I have found, like, you know,

00:55:44 ◼   ► as I've looked at different, you know,

00:55:45 ◼   ► Macs over the, you know,

00:55:46 ◼   ► since the Apple Silicon transition

00:55:47 ◼   ► and as I've been making buying decisions,

00:55:49 ◼   ► I have never found the Pro

00:55:51 ◼   ► to be quite what I'm looking for

00:55:53 ◼   ► because it does end up costing

00:55:56 ◼   ► a significant amount more than the base chip.

00:55:58 ◼   ► But it doesn't have all of the high-capacity support

00:56:02 ◼   ► and all the highest performance of the Macs.

00:56:04 ◼   ► And I have found that like with the Pro

00:56:07 ◼   ► in, at least in the current lineup,

00:56:08 ◼   ► like in the M4 lineup,

00:56:10 ◼   ► which I know we're kind of split now.

00:56:12 ◼   ► We have some of the M5 lineup,

00:56:13 ◼   ► but in the M4 lineup,

00:56:15 ◼   ► the base M4 got so good

00:56:18 ◼   ► that I think it left very little reason

00:56:20 ◼   ► for the Pro to exist.

00:56:21 ◼   ► Because if you actually look at like performance per dollar,

00:56:25 ◼   ► the base M4 is a really great value

00:56:29 ◼   ► and the Pro really is not.

00:56:33 ◼   ► Like it does not scale up that well

00:56:35 ◼   ► to, you know, performance per dollar

00:56:37 ◼   ► as you go up that list.

00:56:39 ◼   ► And the Macs serves the role of like,

00:56:42 ◼   ► I need big resource support.

00:56:44 ◼   ► I need all the ports, all the bandwidth,

00:56:46 ◼   ► you know, whatever it, you know, whatever that is.

00:56:47 ◼   ► The Macs serves that role.

00:56:49 ◼   ► Big GPU.

00:56:49 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:56:50 ◼   ► But the Pro, it kind of sits in the middle of those

00:56:53 ◼   ► and you end up paying a lot more

00:56:56 ◼   ► for only some of those benefits.

00:56:58 ◼   ► And I don't think that's really a strong selling proposition

00:57:01 ◼   ► with the current lineup.

00:57:02 ◼   ► But as you mentioned, though,

00:57:03 ◼   ► past generations of Pros before the M4

00:57:07 ◼   ► have been very different from each other.

00:57:09 ◼   ► Like the M1 Pro was very different from the M2 Pro

00:57:13 ◼   ► and like they've had different core counts

00:57:16 ◼   ► and different balances of things.

00:57:17 ◼   ► The M1 Pro was basically an M1 Max with a little bit cut off.

00:57:21 ◼   ► Like literally, they just went snip, snip, snip, snip,

00:57:24 ◼   ► cut off some GPU cores.

00:57:25 ◼   ► Hi, M1 Pro.

00:57:26 ◼   ► It was so close to the Max.

00:57:28 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:57:29 ◼   ► And then was it the M3 Pro that had the really weird proportion

00:57:32 ◼   ► of P to E cores that was unlike everything else?

00:57:35 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:57:35 ◼   ► It had like more efficiency cores

00:57:37 ◼   ► and it was like this whole big custom design.

00:57:38 ◼   ► It's, yeah.

00:57:39 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:57:40 ◼   ► Like it seems like they're doing,

00:57:41 ◼   ► it doesn't seem like making a custom design for the Pro

00:57:44 ◼   ► is necessarily worth it.

00:57:46 ◼   ► And I think by having the base chips,

00:57:50 ◼   ► the regular M chips get pushed up in performance so much.

00:57:54 ◼   ► Again, like look at the M4 compared to the M4 Pro and M4 Max.

00:57:58 ◼   ► The M4 really stands out as a really great bang for the buck

00:58:03 ◼   ► compared to the other two.

00:58:04 ◼   ► And also, I wonder if this might play in a little bit

00:58:07 ◼   ► to their, you know, the rumored upcoming less expensive MacBook

00:58:11 ◼   ► that is rumored to have an A series phone chip as its CPU.

00:58:15 ◼   ► I wonder if maybe the regular M chip, the M4, M5,

00:58:20 ◼   ► those might be actually being elevated upwards in the product line too,

00:58:24 ◼   ► that maybe we're going to start seeing more very low end products

00:58:27 ◼   ► using the A series chips from the phone, even in the Mac line.

00:58:30 ◼   ► And then the M chip is actually more of a mid-range thing.

00:58:34 ◼   ► And then you have the M Max chip as the high end.

00:58:37 ◼   ► And then the M Ultra for the one that they very occasionally make

00:58:40 ◼   ► for the products they forgot about.

00:58:41 ◼   ► They just renamed the plain old M6 chip to just be M6 Pro

00:58:45 ◼   ► and there is no No Suffix M6.

00:58:46 ◼   ► I mean, who knows?

00:58:48 ◼   ► They might.

00:58:48 ◼   ► From a marketing perspective, like, why not?

00:58:51 ◼   ► Because I agree with you.

00:58:51 ◼   ► Like, if the low end laptop is successful with the phone chip in it,

00:58:55 ◼   ► they're going to do more of that.

00:58:57 ◼   ► And it makes sense.

00:58:57 ◼   ► Like, I think it's a good idea, right?

00:58:59 ◼   ► I think that product is a good idea.

00:59:00 ◼   ► And I think that strategy is a good idea.

00:59:01 ◼   ► I think the naming is a little bit weird with it, you know,

00:59:04 ◼   ► being an A series chip and confusing people.

00:59:06 ◼   ► So they might need to work that out.

00:59:07 ◼   ► But like, you can fix naming, right?

00:59:08 ◼   ► So if they don't want to make the Pro anymore,

00:59:10 ◼   ► just call the base M6 M6 Pro.

00:59:13 ◼   ► Like, just do it.

00:59:14 ◼   ► Well, I don't think that's necessarily neat.

00:59:16 ◼   ► I mean, the reality is these M chips have gotten a reputation,

00:59:20 ◼   ► well-deserved, for being really strong performers.

00:59:22 ◼   ► So maybe the M chip doesn't need the same M naming line

00:59:27 ◼   ► to cover the entire product line anymore.

00:59:29 ◼   ► Aren't you glad they didn't do a BMW thing

00:59:32 ◼   ► when they first laid out this line

00:59:34 ◼   ► and just have, like, year after year,

00:59:35 ◼   ► they would have, you know, the M3, the M5, the M7,

00:59:39 ◼   ► and occasionally the M8.

00:59:41 ◼   ► Like, every year they would have that,

00:59:42 ◼   ► and we had to put year suffixes on them.

00:59:44 ◼   ► Like, I'm proud of them for sticking with a letter and a number,

00:59:47 ◼   ► and then each time they make a new line of chips,

00:59:49 ◼   ► increasing the number.

00:59:49 ◼   ► Like, good job, Apple.

00:59:50 ◼   ► I know it was hard to figure that out after a few decades,

00:59:53 ◼   ► but they figured it out.

00:59:55 ◼   ► But I do wonder if they're going to,

00:59:56 ◼   ► they can't help self-sabotaging with the A-series chips and Macs, right?

01:00:00 ◼   ► And the M-series chips and iPads, right?

01:00:02 ◼   ► We had it.

01:00:03 ◼   ► It was all clean.

01:00:04 ◼   ► Everything was worked out.

01:00:05 ◼   ► But now, what does the M stand for?

01:00:06 ◼   ► Mypad?

01:00:07 ◼   ► I mean, it's also possible that, you know,

01:00:10 ◼   ► if the rumored, you know, less expensive MacBook

01:00:12 ◼   ► using the phone class chip is true,

01:00:15 ◼   ► it's also possible they might not call it the A17 or whatever it would be.

01:00:18 ◼   ► They might call, maybe they'd call it, like,

01:00:20 ◼   ► the M-zero.

01:00:21 ◼   ► Yeah, or maybe it'd be like, you know,

01:00:24 ◼   ► the M5 Express.

01:00:25 ◼   ► You know, who knows?

01:00:26 ◼   ► Like, M5 Air.

01:00:28 ◼   ► There we go.

01:00:28 ◼   ► They would just call it the M5 Air,

01:00:30 ◼   ► and then that would be confusing with the M-powered iPad Air

01:00:34 ◼   ► and the MacBook Air.

01:00:35 ◼   ► Yeah, but SE hasn't been used for chips either.

01:00:38 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't know.

01:00:39 ◼   ► Oh, SE's good.

01:00:40 ◼   ► The M5 SE.

01:00:41 ◼   ► Or, like, you know,

01:00:43 ◼   ► they don't want to call the ultra-wideband chip the U2.

01:00:45 ◼   ► They did, like, once or twice,

01:00:46 ◼   ► but now they're back to not calling it that anymore.

01:00:47 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:00:48 ◼   ► Anyway, they,

01:00:49 ◼   ► I think they have a lot of options here for naming,

01:00:51 ◼   ► but regardless,

01:00:52 ◼   ► I do think that the base M-series chip

01:00:56 ◼   ► is no longer a low-end chip.

01:00:58 ◼   ► I mean, it kind of never was performance-wise,

01:01:00 ◼   ► but it's really a very solid mid-range chip by most measures,

01:01:04 ◼   ► and so for them to elevate that,

01:01:06 ◼   ► I think that's actually reasonable.

01:01:07 ◼   ► Like, a lot of these recent reviews I've been reading

01:01:10 ◼   ► of the latest releases from Intel and AMD

01:01:12 ◼   ► for their laptops and stuff,

01:01:14 ◼   ► you know, Panther Lake or whatever thing,

01:01:17 ◼   ► they've come up with, like,

01:01:17 ◼   ► it's finally they got a good chip,

01:01:19 ◼   ► it's made on a good process or whatever,

01:01:20 ◼   ► and here are the benchmarks,

01:01:21 ◼   ► and they show all these graphs or whatever,

01:01:22 ◼   ► and you're watching,

01:01:23 ◼   ► and I'm like, wow, Intel's really doing well,

01:01:24 ◼   ► until you realize every single one of the graphs

01:01:26 ◼   ► is against the base M4.

01:01:29 ◼   ► You're like, but you know Apple makes other chips.

01:01:30 ◼   ► Like, other chips that are in laptops.

01:01:33 ◼   ► Like, it's not like, oh, it's not a fair fight.

01:01:36 ◼   ► You can't put it up against an M5 Ultra or something.

01:01:38 ◼   ► Like, no, just, you know, the other laptop chips.

01:01:41 ◼   ► Like, so the rest of the industry is so proud

01:01:45 ◼   ► when they have a chip that performs better

01:01:48 ◼   ► than Apple's base M4.

01:01:50 ◼   ► They're, like, so happy.

01:01:52 ◼   ► It's like, victory lap, you know,

01:01:54 ◼   ► party parades down the streets,

01:01:56 ◼   ► and it's like, you beat their lowest-end match.

01:01:59 ◼   ► A chip by a little bit.

01:02:00 ◼   ► Yeah, because the base M4 is awesome.

01:02:03 ◼   ► Like, that's what I have in my travel laptop,

01:02:05 ◼   ► and it's amazing.

01:02:07 ◼   ► Like, I have never really needed more grunt

01:02:11 ◼   ► out of that for those needs,

01:02:12 ◼   ► and that includes, oftentimes,

01:02:13 ◼   ► using Xcode and making apps.

01:02:15 ◼   ► I mean, you know, obviously,

01:02:16 ◼   ► we'll see what's the thing

01:02:17 ◼   ► that we're not talking about,

01:02:18 ◼   ► you know, if that ends up ramping up

01:02:20 ◼   ► the demand for local resources,

01:02:21 ◼   ► but actually, if you do a lot of cloud-based

01:02:23 ◼   ► things we're not talking about,

01:02:24 ◼   ► which most of them are so far,

01:02:26 ◼   ► that actually might reduce the need

01:02:28 ◼   ► for local processing power.

01:02:29 ◼   ► So, you know, we'll see how this all shakes out,

01:02:31 ◼   ► but anyway, the M4 is awesome,

01:02:33 ◼   ► and I haven't had any time to play with the M5,

01:02:35 ◼   ► but it is probably awesome as well.

01:02:37 ◼   ► No, no, the M5 is already as well.

01:02:39 ◼   ► Solidly a middle-class chip.

01:02:40 ◼   ► It is not a, it isn't a low-end chip at all.

01:02:42 ◼   ► Yeah, and I imagine the M6,

01:02:44 ◼   ► once it gets the process transition

01:02:45 ◼   ► to the 2 nanometer,

01:02:46 ◼   ► is going to be even more impressive,

01:02:48 ◼   ► so I'll look forward to that

01:02:48 ◼   ► for your OLED laptop sometime,

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01:04:29 ◼   ► Want to do some Ask ATP?

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01:04:36 ◼   ► Alan Scholl writes,

01:04:38 ◼   ► The recent winter storm has me seriously thinking

01:04:40 ◼   ► about whole house generators and batteries.

01:04:42 ◼   ► If I remember correctly,

01:04:43 ◼   ► Casey uses a gas generator,

01:04:45 ◼   ► and Marco has installed rooftop solar recently,

01:04:46 ◼   ► so what's best?

01:04:47 ◼   ► Would it make sense to have a whole house battery backup

01:04:50 ◼   ► without a solar installation?

01:04:51 ◼   ► So let me talk about what I've got going on.

01:04:53 ◼   ► For short outages,

01:04:56 ◼   ► which, let me back up actually,

01:04:58 ◼   ► it's very rare for us to lose power here.

01:05:00 ◼   ► Very, very rare.

01:05:01 ◼   ► It used to happen all the time,

01:05:02 ◼   ► and then I think there were some overground power lines

01:05:05 ◼   ► that were running through some trees,

01:05:07 ◼   ► and the power company cut the trees back a lot,

01:05:09 ◼   ► and now it's been very unusual for us to lose power.

01:05:13 ◼   ► But if we were to lose power,

01:05:15 ◼   ► and if it was only for a few hours,

01:05:17 ◼   ► especially if it's like a weather event,

01:05:19 ◼   ► so I know that it's coming,

01:05:21 ◼   ► then I'll take that tailgate battery that we use.

01:05:23 ◼   ► So this is something that I got inspired to buy from Jason Snell.

01:05:26 ◼   ► It's a, you know, like 15-pound battery pack

01:05:29 ◼   ► that has a couple of AC outlets on it,

01:05:31 ◼   ► a couple of USB-C outlets on it, etc.

01:05:33 ◼   ► And that's enough to run the fridge.

01:05:35 ◼   ► I've never tried it,

01:05:36 ◼   ► but based on like power draw specifications,

01:05:39 ◼   ► I expect I could run the fridge for probably a better part of a day,

01:05:42 ◼   ► maybe even two on that thing.

01:05:43 ◼   ► And I could also, you know,

01:05:45 ◼   ► plug in a lamp or something like that.

01:05:47 ◼   ► So for a short thing,

01:05:49 ◼   ► if you only ever lose power for a little bit of time,

01:05:51 ◼   ► I'd say a portable battery pack might just do the trick.

01:05:54 ◼   ► And this thing is like $200 or $300,

01:05:55 ◼   ► maybe $400 at the most right now.

01:05:57 ◼   ► So it's reasonably, I mean, it's a lot of money,

01:05:59 ◼   ► but it's reasonably affordable.

01:06:00 ◼   ► But then on top of that,

01:06:03 ◼   ► we have a very physically large, physically heavy,

01:06:06 ◼   ► pretty powerful gas generator

01:06:08 ◼   ► that was, figuratively speaking,

01:06:10 ◼   ► bequeathed to us from my parents.

01:06:12 ◼   ► What had happened was they live in an area

01:06:14 ◼   ► where they do lose power a lot.

01:06:15 ◼   ► And so they had this something like 5,000 watt sustained,

01:06:20 ◼   ► 7,000 peak gasoline generator.

01:06:23 ◼   ► It's a Honda inverter generator.

01:06:25 ◼   ► So it produces like a near perfect sine wave,

01:06:27 ◼   ► et cetera, et cetera.

01:06:27 ◼   ► I would never have spent the like five grand

01:06:30 ◼   ► that they spent on this thing 10 years ago

01:06:33 ◼   ► when it was new.

01:06:33 ◼   ► But if they're offering it to me for free,

01:06:37 ◼   ► hell yeah.

01:06:38 ◼   ► So that is in the garage

01:06:40 ◼   ► and we have a generator interlock

01:06:42 ◼   ► and the fuse box and so on and so forth.

01:06:43 ◼   ► So I haven't ever tried this.

01:06:45 ◼   ► And in fact, just this Monday

01:06:47 ◼   ► when I went and drove the Taycan,

01:06:48 ◼   ► I almost did a little experiment

01:06:50 ◼   ► since I was the only one in the house.

01:06:51 ◼   ► And I really want to try figuring out

01:06:55 ◼   ► how much of the house I can run off that generator

01:06:56 ◼   ► because I think I can do darn near everything in the house

01:06:59 ◼   ► and maybe, maybe even one of the two HVAC systems in the house

01:07:06 ◼   ► if I turn on the natural gas heat.

01:07:08 ◼   ► You know, we wouldn't run AC,

01:07:10 ◼   ► but if in the cold weather,

01:07:11 ◼   ► I wonder if I forced the furnace to natural gas

01:07:14 ◼   ► because of the heat pump and the natural gas.

01:07:16 ◼   ► I wonder if I might be able to run the furnace

01:07:19 ◼   ► in emergency heat mode

01:07:20 ◼   ► if we really got in a pinch.

01:07:22 ◼   ► But worst case scenario,

01:07:23 ◼   ► we could use like a,

01:07:24 ◼   ► we could use a space heater or something like that.

01:07:26 ◼   ► But that's my situation.

01:07:27 ◼   ► To answer Alan's question,

01:07:28 ◼   ► my personal opinion is

01:07:29 ◼   ► if you can do rooftop solar

01:07:32 ◼   ► with like a power wall or equivalent

01:07:33 ◼   ► or something like that,

01:07:34 ◼   ► that's probably the bestest answer

01:07:37 ◼   ► because it serves you the most time.

01:07:40 ◼   ► You know, you can use that pretty much all year round.

01:07:43 ◼   ► But that is incredibly expensive,

01:07:45 ◼   ► incredibly expensive.

01:07:46 ◼   ► If you lose power constantly,

01:07:49 ◼   ► then a Generac,

01:07:49 ◼   ► like a whole home Generac or equivalent,

01:07:51 ◼   ► I think is a really good idea.

01:07:52 ◼   ► But if you just lose power occasionally,

01:07:55 ◼   ► I would really figure out,

01:07:57 ◼   ► you know,

01:07:57 ◼   ► what is it you absolutely need to survive?

01:07:59 ◼   ► A fridge or two,

01:08:00 ◼   ► a couple of lights,

01:08:01 ◼   ► something like that.

01:08:02 ◼   ► And figure out if a,

01:08:03 ◼   ► if a small like tailgate generator

01:08:05 ◼   ► or portable tailgate style battery like I have,

01:08:07 ◼   ► would that be enough to sustain you for a day or two?

01:08:10 ◼   ► Because doing a Generac,

01:08:11 ◼   ► doing whole home solar,

01:08:12 ◼   ► even buying one of these large gasoline power generators

01:08:15 ◼   ► is a lot.

01:08:16 ◼   ► And in the case of the generator,

01:08:17 ◼   ► like I have to start it every few months.

01:08:18 ◼   ► I have to check the oil,

01:08:19 ◼   ► you know,

01:08:20 ◼   ► I have to make sure when I do start it,

01:08:21 ◼   ► I run all the gas out of it,

01:08:22 ◼   ► et cetera, et cetera.

01:08:23 ◼   ► So it is a lot of work for something

01:08:26 ◼   ► that I only ever use once every few years.

01:08:28 ◼   ► Wow.

01:08:29 ◼   ► That was a really good answer.

01:08:30 ◼   ► I'm going to.

01:08:31 ◼   ► Hey, go team.

01:08:31 ◼   ► What case you just said is very important.

01:08:33 ◼   ► A generator is a lifestyle.

01:08:36 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:08:37 ◼   ► Like my in-laws have a generator.

01:08:40 ◼   ► whenever we're visiting them,

01:08:42 ◼   ► you know,

01:08:42 ◼   ► if we happen to be visiting,

01:08:43 ◼   ► I believe it's like Wednesday at noon,

01:08:45 ◼   ► you know,

01:08:45 ◼   ► like once a week,

01:08:46 ◼   ► it has to turn on and test itself.

01:08:47 ◼   ► And so you want,

01:08:48 ◼   ► it makes a whole bunch of noise.

01:08:50 ◼   ► You're talking about a whole home generator,

01:08:52 ◼   ► like a Generac or something like that.

01:08:53 ◼   ► Yeah, exactly.

01:08:54 ◼   ► Yes.

01:08:54 ◼   ► It's a whole thing.

01:08:56 ◼   ► Like it's a very physically large thing.

01:08:59 ◼   ► It's a very loud thing.

01:09:00 ◼   ► If it's ever needed to be running

01:09:02 ◼   ► and it needs to run itself to test itself ever so often,

01:09:04 ◼   ► as Casey said,

01:09:04 ◼   ► you know,

01:09:04 ◼   ► it's a gas engine.

01:09:05 ◼   ► you've got to like maintain it like a gas engine.

01:09:07 ◼   ► So it's kind of,

01:09:09 ◼   ► it's a whole thing.

01:09:10 ◼   ► Generators do have the advantage over solar and batteries that,

01:09:15 ◼   ► first of all,

01:09:16 ◼   ► if you happen to have a gas pipeline to your house,

01:09:19 ◼   ► like from,

01:09:20 ◼   ► from your town,

01:09:21 ◼   ► if you have natural gas service,

01:09:22 ◼   ► you can have that connected to that.

01:09:25 ◼   ► And then you kind of have an infinite supply,

01:09:27 ◼   ► you know,

01:09:28 ◼   ► infrastructure asterisks and everything,

01:09:30 ◼   ► but like you effectively have an infinite supply.

01:09:32 ◼   ► So you don't have to like go buy fuel and keep a fuel tank and,

01:09:35 ◼   ► you know,

01:09:36 ◼   ► go refill it and,

01:09:36 ◼   ► you know,

01:09:37 ◼   ► and actually let me jump in really quickly.

01:09:38 ◼   ► Something I didn't consider about the freestanding gasoline generator that I

01:09:41 ◼   ► have,

01:09:42 ◼   ► when we had this real bad snowstorm,

01:09:43 ◼   ► I got a burr up my butt that we were going to lose power for 17 weeks.

01:09:46 ◼   ► And so I filled something like,

01:09:48 ◼   ► I think we have like a five gallon gas can and like a two or three gallon gas

01:09:52 ◼   ► can.

01:09:52 ◼   ► And I filled both those bad boys.

01:09:53 ◼   ► Cause I'm like,

01:09:53 ◼   ► we're,

01:09:54 ◼   ► I am going to be okay during the storm.

01:09:56 ◼   ► Like it'll be fine.

01:09:57 ◼   ► I'm going to turn my garage into even more of a bomb.

01:10:00 ◼   ► Right?

01:10:00 ◼   ► Exactly.

01:10:01 ◼   ► Well,

01:10:01 ◼   ► the thing of it is though,

01:10:02 ◼   ► in a normal summer season,

01:10:04 ◼   ► we'll go through maybe like three or four gallons of gas.

01:10:08 ◼   ► And I now have like eight gallons of gas sitting in my garage.

01:10:13 ◼   ► So what am I going to do with the rest of it?

01:10:14 ◼   ► I can stabilize it.

01:10:15 ◼   ► I can run it through the generator for funsies or whatever.

01:10:18 ◼   ► Like I,

01:10:18 ◼   ► now I have a different problem.

01:10:20 ◼   ► I mean,

01:10:20 ◼   ► can you pour it into Aaron's car?

01:10:22 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:10:22 ◼   ► Well,

01:10:22 ◼   ► that car never uses the gas engine.

01:10:24 ◼   ► Put it in the golf.

01:10:25 ◼   ► That's true.

01:10:25 ◼   ► But no,

01:10:26 ◼   ► well,

01:10:26 ◼   ► first of all,

01:10:27 ◼   ► both our cars take premiums.

01:10:28 ◼   ► Second of all,

01:10:29 ◼   ► I'm too nerdy about.

01:10:30 ◼   ► You didn't get premium for the generator?

01:10:32 ◼   ► No.

01:10:32 ◼   ► Well,

01:10:33 ◼   ► you should have thought about reusing it.

01:10:34 ◼   ► Your car,

01:10:35 ◼   ► even though your cars require premium,

01:10:36 ◼   ► they'll,

01:10:37 ◼   ► they'll run on regular,

01:10:38 ◼   ► right?

01:10:38 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:10:38 ◼   ► Like trash.

01:10:39 ◼   ► Also,

01:10:40 ◼   ► knock sensors,

01:10:41 ◼   ► they'll,

01:10:41 ◼   ► they'll figure it out.

01:10:42 ◼   ► Engine computers are smart.

01:10:43 ◼   ► Anyway.

01:10:45 ◼   ► with regard to mileage tracking and things like that.

01:10:47 ◼   ► So that's a non-answer,

01:10:48 ◼   ► but a non-star.

01:10:49 ◼   ► So you're not going to,

01:10:50 ◼   ► all right,

01:10:50 ◼   ► well,

01:10:50 ◼   ► I guess you can just let it sit in your garage,

01:10:53 ◼   ► which is a better choice than putting it in your car.

01:10:55 ◼   ► Well,

01:10:56 ◼   ► coincidentally,

01:10:57 ◼   ► what I've decided is I told,

01:10:58 ◼   ► I told some friends of ours,

01:11:00 ◼   ► some local friends of ours that I was going to put the excess gas into the

01:11:05 ◼   ► wife's Ford Explorer because they,

01:11:07 ◼   ► they,

01:11:07 ◼   ► they are good to their cars,

01:11:08 ◼   ► but they don't care like I do.

01:11:09 ◼   ► So anyways,

01:11:10 ◼   ► they'll take your filthy gas.

01:11:12 ◼   ► You should have just done like a lemonade stand out at the end of your

01:11:14 ◼   ► driveway.

01:11:14 ◼   ► It's just free gas cars to drive by.

01:11:18 ◼   ► You just put it in.

01:11:19 ◼   ► Just put it a little,

01:11:19 ◼   ► here's a dollar.

01:11:20 ◼   ► Here's a dollar.

01:11:20 ◼   ► Uh,

01:11:21 ◼   ► but anyways,

01:11:21 ◼   ► I apologize for interrupting Marco and I'd love you to continue,

01:11:24 ◼   ► but it's just another thing to think about with a freestanding generator.

01:11:26 ◼   ► This is not what you're talking about with like a,

01:11:28 ◼   ► a natural gas generac sort of situation,

01:11:30 ◼   ► but for mine,

01:11:31 ◼   ► I now have too much gasoline and have to do something with it.

01:11:34 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:11:34 ◼   ► So that's,

01:11:35 ◼   ► that's,

01:11:35 ◼   ► you know,

01:11:35 ◼   ► the generator lifestyle it's,

01:11:37 ◼   ► it's involved.

01:11:37 ◼   ► Um,

01:11:38 ◼   ► it's very,

01:11:39 ◼   ► it's very like,

01:11:40 ◼   ► you know,

01:11:40 ◼   ► imposing into your physical space and into the noise and into maintenance and

01:11:45 ◼   ► fuel needs and everything.

01:11:46 ◼   ► The advantage of generators over solar is again,

01:11:50 ◼   ► you,

01:11:50 ◼   ► you tend to have like,

01:11:51 ◼   ► you know,

01:11:51 ◼   ► if you can get a natural gas pipeline,

01:11:52 ◼   ► you can run it 24 seven and you won't run out.

01:11:55 ◼   ► Um,

01:11:56 ◼   ► and also you tend to be able to power larger,

01:12:00 ◼   ► larger amounts of wattage for less money.

01:12:03 ◼   ► The main downside of solar panels with batteries is that if you like,

01:12:08 ◼   ► you have to,

01:12:09 ◼   ► what case was just saying was important.

01:12:10 ◼   ► You have to figure out what exactly you're trying to replace.

01:12:13 ◼   ► What level of power are you trying to run your entire house?

01:12:16 ◼   ► And if,

01:12:17 ◼   ► does that include things like a water heater?

01:12:20 ◼   ► And most importantly,

01:12:21 ◼   ► does that include heating and air conditioning?

01:12:24 ◼   ► If you're running your heat and air conditioning and they are electric or heat pump,

01:12:28 ◼   ► you're going to need a lot of power for that.

01:12:30 ◼   ► That's going to be way more power than your fridge,

01:12:33 ◼   ► your outlets,

01:12:34 ◼   ► your lights,

01:12:35 ◼   ► you know,

01:12:35 ◼   ► like if all you need is fridge outlets and lights,

01:12:37 ◼   ► you can get,

01:12:38 ◼   ► you can get away with a much smaller setup.

01:12:40 ◼   ► But if you're trying to power your thermal control of the house,

01:12:44 ◼   ► your HVAC system,

01:12:45 ◼   ► and if you live somewhere that has very hot or very cold weather,

01:12:49 ◼   ► and you want it to work enough for that,

01:12:51 ◼   ► you need a lot of power to do that.

01:12:53 ◼   ► And for that,

01:12:54 ◼   ► if that is your setup,

01:12:55 ◼   ► I haven't,

01:12:57 ◼   ► I haven't looked at prices recently.

01:12:58 ◼   ► I'll get to that in a second,

01:12:59 ◼   ► but that,

01:13:00 ◼   ► that might be too much power to have a reasonably affordable setup with batteries.

01:13:06 ◼   ► If you have to run it from solar and you have to run it overnight and it's really cold that night,

01:13:11 ◼   ► you have to make a lot of heat.

01:13:12 ◼   ► That just might be too much power to do that with a reasonable number of batteries in your garage or whatever.

01:13:17 ◼   ► So that being said,

01:13:18 ◼   ► that might not be what you need.

01:13:21 ◼   ► You might not need all of that.

01:13:22 ◼   ► When I bought my system,

01:13:24 ◼   ► it was 2019 when I,

01:13:29 ◼   ► when I ordered and bought my,

01:13:30 ◼   ► my solar.

01:13:31 ◼   ► So my,

01:13:31 ◼   ► my solar system at the beach is something like,

01:13:34 ◼   ► I think like 90 kilowatts on a good day.

01:13:39 ◼   ► It produces like 95 or a hundred kilowatts of power.

01:13:41 ◼   ► So whatever the water for the solar panels is,

01:13:43 ◼   ► maybe it's that.

01:13:44 ◼   ► So on a good,

01:13:45 ◼   ► a good summer,

01:13:46 ◼   ► sunny day,

01:13:46 ◼   ► I'm going to run a hundred,

01:13:47 ◼   ► hundred or 90 kilowatt production or kilowatt hour production,

01:13:51 ◼   ► I think.

01:13:51 ◼   ► And I have two Tesla power wall twos before they were known to be a horrible company run by horrible people.

01:13:58 ◼   ► Um,

01:13:58 ◼   ► I,

01:13:59 ◼   ► so there's two power wall twos,

01:14:01 ◼   ► which I think are 11 kilowatts hours of storage each,

01:14:05 ◼   ► something like that.

01:14:06 ◼   ► But that was in 2019.

01:14:07 ◼   ► And that got the cost of these amount of money today though.

01:14:10 ◼   ► The costs of all of that stuff have gone way,

01:14:13 ◼   ► way down since then.

01:14:15 ◼   ► I don't know what they cost today.

01:14:17 ◼   ► Cause I haven't priced it out recently,

01:14:18 ◼   ► but it's way cheaper.

01:14:20 ◼   ► Now you do run into limits with how much battery storage you are allowed to have based on local building codes,

01:14:28 ◼   ► fire codes,

01:14:28 ◼   ► electrical codes.

01:14:29 ◼   ► So there are other limits to consider.

01:14:31 ◼   ► And so I,

01:14:32 ◼   ► I can't tell you what your limit is.

01:14:33 ◼   ► It's different in different places.

01:14:34 ◼   ► It's different depending on what kind of space the batteries are in.

01:14:37 ◼   ► Are they inside or the outside or the in condition space?

01:14:39 ◼   ► Are they in a garage?

01:14:40 ◼   ► You know,

01:14:40 ◼   ► there's all these different,

01:14:41 ◼   ► you know,

01:14:42 ◼   ► rules and regulations of how much,

01:14:43 ◼   ► basically how much of a lithium ion bomb you can have in your house.

01:14:46 ◼   ► Um,

01:14:47 ◼   ► because that's what energy storage is.

01:14:48 ◼   ► It's a bomb,

01:14:48 ◼   ► you know,

01:14:49 ◼   ► various,

01:14:49 ◼   ► various types of gas is the same way.

01:14:51 ◼   ► Um,

01:14:52 ◼   ► anyway,

01:14:52 ◼   ► so there's all these different limits of how much battery storage you can have.

01:14:55 ◼   ► The solar panels themselves are really inexpensive for what you get now.

01:15:00 ◼   ► And I can strongly recommend having solar power for lots of reasons.

01:15:04 ◼   ► Climate is a really good,

01:15:06 ◼   ► like,

01:15:06 ◼   ► you know,

01:15:06 ◼   ► climate change reduction is a great reason.

01:15:08 ◼   ► Just general,

01:15:10 ◼   ► like energy renewability.

01:15:11 ◼   ► It's,

01:15:12 ◼   ► it's a great thing to have solar panels on your house.

01:15:14 ◼   ► If you have a situation where that's,

01:15:16 ◼   ► where that's reasonably possible.

01:15:17 ◼   ► Um,

01:15:18 ◼   ► it,

01:15:18 ◼   ► it's a great thing to do.

01:15:19 ◼   ► It,

01:15:19 ◼   ► mine do not cover my entire LS,

01:15:21 ◼   ► electricity need,

01:15:22 ◼   ► but that's because we use a lot of,

01:15:23 ◼   ► a lot of electricity,

01:15:24 ◼   ► especially like,

01:15:25 ◼   ► you know,

01:15:25 ◼   ► if we're running like the hot tub heater that,

01:15:27 ◼   ► that uses a ton of power.

01:15:28 ◼   ► So like there's,

01:15:29 ◼   ► you know,

01:15:29 ◼   ► but it offsets it all and it's great.

01:15:31 ◼   ► Um,

01:15:32 ◼   ► one of the great advantages of the battery system though,

01:15:36 ◼   ► for backup power in,

01:15:37 ◼   ► in some kind of,

01:15:38 ◼   ► you know,

01:15:38 ◼   ► situation where you have a storm or you have a power outage.

01:15:41 ◼   ► The great thing about that system is that as long as you don't need the entire power plus of all the batteries every day,

01:15:51 ◼   ► which you won't because you wouldn't size it that way.

01:15:53 ◼   ► You effectively then have infinite recharging because you can use the power from the batteries all night and all day.

01:16:01 ◼   ► your solar panels are topping them off.

01:16:03 ◼   ► So my setup at the beach is that like having just the two power walls is not enough to run our HVAC and hot water heater and everything.

01:16:14 ◼   ► So we don't have those connected to it.

01:16:15 ◼   ► We have them connected to a whole bunch of lights,

01:16:18 ◼   ► outlets,

01:16:18 ◼   ► fridge,

01:16:19 ◼   ► ice maker,

01:16:20 ◼   ► um,

01:16:21 ◼   ► you know,

01:16:21 ◼   ► that like all my networking equipment,

01:16:23 ◼   ► you know,

01:16:24 ◼   ► all the,

01:16:24 ◼   ► the wifi gear,

01:16:25 ◼   ► the,

01:16:25 ◼   ► all that stuff.

01:16:26 ◼   ► And a few kind of like critical appliances and stuff.

01:16:29 ◼   ► we've never run out of power.

01:16:31 ◼   ► Like we've had a few days long power outages and we use the power at night and then by like 9am,

01:16:39 ◼   ► the batteries are back at a hundred percent from just the solar input.

01:16:43 ◼   ► And unlike generators,

01:16:45 ◼   ► you never really have to think about the system.

01:16:47 ◼   ► There's no moving parts.

01:16:49 ◼   ► It produces no noise.

01:16:51 ◼   ► They need no maintenance.

01:16:53 ◼   ► I have never touched the system since it was installed in 2019 from a like reliability,

01:16:59 ◼   ► simplicity,

01:17:01 ◼   ► elegance perspective.

01:17:02 ◼   ► Solar plus batteries is awesome.

01:17:05 ◼   ► It's way better than a generator.

01:17:07 ◼   ► The only problem is again,

01:17:10 ◼   ► can you get enough battery capacity to power what you need to power overnight?

01:17:15 ◼   ► That's,

01:17:16 ◼   ► that's the big challenge,

01:17:17 ◼   ► but if you can get past that,

01:17:19 ◼   ► or if you can get away with powering,

01:17:20 ◼   ► not your entire house,

01:17:22 ◼   ► uh,

01:17:23 ◼   ► you know,

01:17:23 ◼   ► maybe you don't need your entire AC system to be running at full blast all night long.

01:17:27 ◼   ► And then there somehow to be no sun all day.

01:17:29 ◼   ► Like you can get away.

01:17:30 ◼   ► If you can get away with the budgeting of that,

01:17:32 ◼   ► um,

01:17:33 ◼   ► it's an amazing setup and I strongly recommend it.

01:17:36 ◼   ► I would have a shorter answer to this question,

01:17:38 ◼   ► which is,

01:17:38 ◼   ► does it make sense to have a whole,

01:17:40 ◼   ► house battery without a solar installation?

01:17:41 ◼   ► No,

01:17:42 ◼   ► doesn't make sense.

01:17:42 ◼   ► Cause if you're looking at whole house battery backup,

01:17:45 ◼   ► you're already spending a huge amount of money.

01:17:46 ◼   ► Get the solar panels,

01:17:47 ◼   ► just get them.

01:17:48 ◼   ► Like I know they'll,

01:17:48 ◼   ► they'll be cheaper next year and cheaper the next year still,

01:17:51 ◼   ► but they're pretty cheap.

01:17:52 ◼   ► Now get the solar a hundred percent.

01:17:53 ◼   ► Like if you're even considering a,

01:17:56 ◼   ► whatever you consider a quote unquote whole house battery backup,

01:17:59 ◼   ► subject to the caveats that Marco just put in about what you'll actually be allowed to install.

01:18:03 ◼   ► Yes,

01:18:03 ◼   ► absolutely.

01:18:04 ◼   ► Get the soul.

01:18:05 ◼   ► I don't think it makes sense without it.

01:18:06 ◼   ► Unless you have the ability to bury a giant,

01:18:09 ◼   ► uh,

01:18:10 ◼   ► hypersonic vacuum seal flywheel in your yard and use that for energy storage.

01:18:13 ◼   ► It also has problems of a bomb than batteries or gasoline,

01:18:17 ◼   ► but I bet you can't have.

01:18:18 ◼   ► Oh no,

01:18:18 ◼   ► it's just,

01:18:18 ◼   ► it's just a kinetic bomb.

01:18:19 ◼   ► No,

01:18:20 ◼   ► because it's underground.

01:18:20 ◼   ► So when it explodes,

01:18:21 ◼   ► it just,

01:18:21 ◼   ► the dirt protects you.

01:18:22 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:18:23 ◼   ► Okay.

01:18:23 ◼   ► It doesn't,

01:18:24 ◼   ► it spins sideways,

01:18:25 ◼   ► not vertically.

01:18:25 ◼   ► In any case,

01:18:27 ◼   ► there's other issues.

01:18:27 ◼   ► It goes out sideways.

01:18:28 ◼   ► You see,

01:18:29 ◼   ► it just hits the dirt.

01:18:29 ◼   ► It's fine.

01:18:30 ◼   ► Again,

01:18:30 ◼   ► I haven't priced this out recently,

01:18:31 ◼   ► but I would expect that the solar panels part of it is probably cheaper than the batteries part of it these days.

01:18:38 ◼   ► Right.

01:18:38 ◼   ► And,

01:18:38 ◼   ► and boy,

01:18:39 ◼   ► what a better investment for sure.

01:18:41 ◼   ► A better investment.

01:18:42 ◼   ► I mean,

01:18:42 ◼   ► ideally,

01:18:43 ◼   ► you know,

01:18:43 ◼   ► if you can get both components,

01:18:45 ◼   ► get both components,

01:18:46 ◼   ► they work very well together and it's wonderful.

01:18:48 ◼   ► exactly.

01:18:48 ◼   ► But you know,

01:18:49 ◼   ► because if you're,

01:18:49 ◼   ► because like,

01:18:50 ◼   ► if you're just thinking about like what Casey was saying,

01:18:51 ◼   ► like a battery that like can power some of your appliances that you can roll around or whatever,

01:18:55 ◼   ► then I would say like,

01:18:55 ◼   ► oh,

01:18:56 ◼   ► well,

01:18:56 ◼   ► solar panels are going to be a lot of money.

01:18:57 ◼   ► But if you're even considering anything that you call a whole house battery,

01:19:01 ◼   ► get some solar panels.

01:19:02 ◼   ► Absolutely.

01:19:02 ◼   ► I would agree with that.

01:19:03 ◼   ► And again,

01:19:04 ◼   ► I think I said this earlier,

01:19:05 ◼   ► but just to reiterate,

01:19:05 ◼   ► if you're in a situation where you've lost power,

01:19:08 ◼   ► you shouldn't likely think of this as how can I get my normal life back to me?

01:19:13 ◼   ► What you should think about is what are the bare essentials to keep you

01:19:17 ◼   ► and your family functioning,

01:19:20 ◼   ► right?

01:19:20 ◼   ► And generally speaking,

01:19:22 ◼   ► I would say that includes HVAC,

01:19:23 ◼   ► but in this scenario,

01:19:24 ◼   ► I would say it doesn't,

01:19:25 ◼   ► but that probably potentially,

01:19:27 ◼   ► potentially includes hot water,

01:19:29 ◼   ► depending on if it's electric or not.

01:19:30 ◼   ► And certainly includes like a few lights,

01:19:32 ◼   ► maybe a space heater,

01:19:33 ◼   ► something like that,

01:19:34 ◼   ► your refrigerators,

01:19:35 ◼   ► things of that nature.

01:19:36 ◼   ► And,

01:19:37 ◼   ► and also,

01:19:37 ◼   ► and you know,

01:19:38 ◼   ► one other thing too,

01:19:38 ◼   ► like if you're deciding between solar and generators,

01:19:41 ◼   ► keep in mind that all the rest of the time,

01:19:44 ◼   ► when you are not having this rare event of this,

01:19:47 ◼   ► you know,

01:19:47 ◼   ► having like a power cut shortage or storm or whatever,

01:19:51 ◼   ► all the rest of the time,

01:19:52 ◼   ► your solar panels are producing power that is saving you money and is saving the world.

01:19:58 ◼   ► And meanwhile,

01:19:59 ◼   ► your generator is sitting there doing nothing except losing value and slowly needing maintenance.

01:20:03 ◼   ► So that,

01:20:03 ◼   ► that does also probably sway the decision a little bit.

01:20:05 ◼   ► Like solar panels provide constant value,

01:20:09 ◼   ► whether you need that value at that moment or not,

01:20:11 ◼   ► they're always providing that value.

01:20:13 ◼   ► And I would say the,

01:20:14 ◼   ► the,

01:20:14 ◼   ► the infinite source of power that you have going through a natural gas line to your house is substantially less infinite than the light of the sun.

01:20:20 ◼   ► Exactly.

01:20:21 ◼   ► Even when it's cloudy and raining.

01:20:22 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:20:23 ◼   ► Cause like even when it's cloudy and raining in January,

01:20:25 ◼   ► I'm still making like 20 or 30 kilowatt hours a day.

01:20:29 ◼   ► Like it,

01:20:31 ◼   ► there's a lot of power generation to be had by pointing things at the sun.

01:20:34 ◼   ► Like when,

01:20:35 ◼   ► when the incremental cost of having them on your roof every day is nothing,

01:20:38 ◼   ► you can gain a lot of value over time.

01:20:41 ◼   ► It's wonderful.

01:20:41 ◼   ► So yeah,

01:20:42 ◼   ► definitely.

01:20:43 ◼   ► Like if you can install solar on your house,

01:20:46 ◼   ► you should do it for lots of reasons.

01:20:49 ◼   ► And you know,

01:20:50 ◼   ► whether you need,

01:20:51 ◼   ► whether you need to,

01:20:52 ◼   ► you know,

01:20:53 ◼   ► power your entire life,

01:20:54 ◼   ► as Casey was saying for,

01:20:56 ◼   ► you know,

01:20:56 ◼   ► indefinitely or not,

01:20:57 ◼   ► that that's up to you.

01:20:58 ◼   ► I would also just merely suggest like,

01:21:00 ◼   ► if the context is like,

01:21:02 ◼   ► well,

01:21:02 ◼   ► we shouldn't get solar because we might someday need,

01:21:05 ◼   ► you know,

01:21:06 ◼   ► the heat in the winter on some awful outage and my family needs it to survive.

01:21:11 ◼   ► Like,

01:21:11 ◼   ► well,

01:21:12 ◼   ► for the cost of that incremental gain of power,

01:21:15 ◼   ► you can buy a lot of hotel rooms.

01:21:17 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:21:18 ◼   ► How often would that actually be necessary?

01:21:20 ◼   ► Like you'll be fine.

01:21:22 ◼   ► But anyway,

01:21:23 ◼   ► yeah,

01:21:23 ◼   ► get solar.

01:21:24 ◼   ► It's really good.

01:21:24 ◼   ► All right.

01:21:26 ◼   ► Kevin B writes,

01:21:26 ◼   ► why are you feeling positive about John Ternus potentially taking over CEO of Apple?

01:21:30 ◼   ► You all very much disapprove of what Tim Cook has been doing lately.

01:21:33 ◼   ► And I don't disagree.

01:21:34 ◼   ► By all accounts,

01:21:35 ◼   ► John Ternus is Tim Cook's choice to replace him one day.

01:21:37 ◼   ► If you disagree so strongly with Tim Cook's decisions,

01:21:40 ◼   ► why are you okay with this one?

01:21:41 ◼   ► I have nothing against John Ternus.

01:21:42 ◼   ► It just seems like there's a disconnect between Tim Cook is making awful decisions and needs to go.

01:21:47 ◼   ► And Tim Cook's decision to select John Ternus to replace him is good and exciting.

01:21:50 ◼   ► I don't think that's that big of a disconnect.

01:21:52 ◼   ► Like just because Tim Cook has selected him doesn't mean the person he's selecting agrees with everything Tim Cook does and will do exactly what Tim Cook did.

01:22:00 ◼   ► I mean,

01:22:00 ◼   ► Steve Jobs picked Tim Cook and they were very different CEOs.

01:22:03 ◼   ► So our expectation,

01:22:05 ◼   ► our hope is that John Ternus will be different than Tim Cook in the same way that Tim Cook was different than Steve Jobs.

01:22:10 ◼   ► Now he could be worse,

01:22:11 ◼   ► could be better,

01:22:11 ◼   ► could be worse.

01:22:12 ◼   ► But like we're hopeful because the things we hear are good.

01:22:14 ◼   ► You know,

01:22:15 ◼   ► like we,

01:22:15 ◼   ► we want to be hopeful.

01:22:16 ◼   ► Like,

01:22:16 ◼   ► but the real point is we've,