00:00:00 ◼ ► from relay this is upgrade episode 582 for september 22nd 2025 today's show is brought to you by
00:00:16 ◼ ► steam clock interconnected squarespace and fitbud my name is mike hurley and i'm joined by jason snow
00:00:23 ◼ ► hi jason snow hi mike hurley high five high five here we are person in a hotel room yeah uh it's
00:00:29 ◼ ► taking us a lot of time to get set up today we'll talk about that in a little bit but we are on
00:00:33 ◼ ► location in memphis tennessee yeah and i have a snow talk question for you okay this question comes
00:00:38 ◼ ► from gavin who wants to know what is your favorite line to heckle rival players at a sporting event
00:00:46 ◼ ► um gavin i don't heckle i know i knew you were gonna say that yeah i don't do it i don't do it
00:00:58 ◼ ► okay do you what what are you how rowdy do you get like you i know you i know you sing your songs
00:01:04 ◼ ► well i mean there are songs that are sung and i'll sing along but you're never like boo
00:01:10 ◼ ► what about to the referee most of the songs are being sung while the band is playing them i mean it's
00:01:15 ◼ ► not yeah so no i i think uh i don't heckle people i mostly brought this up take off that red shirt but
00:01:22 ◼ ► that's not the players that's the people the fans yeah i mostly brought this up because we went to a
00:01:26 ◼ ► sporting match i figured together yesterday yes we did we went to the memphis tigers uh hosting the
00:01:31 ◼ ► arkansas razorbacks and how did that go um really good for the memphis tigers for us it was very very
00:01:37 ◼ ► hot and we left yes we left at what like half time yeah and it looked like the tigers were gonna lose
00:01:43 ◼ ► but they poured it out they did they did we watched we watched the end of the game from central barbecue
00:01:47 ◼ ► and i think we made good life choices that was perfect so i'll just say because i can't but to do the
00:01:51 ◼ ► conversion it was like 33 degrees celsius it's like 90 it was supposed to be 40 degrees that was
00:01:57 ◼ ► the it was gonna be 105 and i don't know if i would have been able to watch any of it no i was really i
00:02:02 ◼ ► was actually concerned for our health and all that but anyway it's fine it was 92 and humid but light
00:02:06 ◼ ► breeze um every time the breeze came everyone would go oh yeah yeah yeah good noise that was really good
00:02:13 ◼ ► but then we we all came back here and uh decided we would all like rinse off and then meet half an
00:02:19 ◼ ► hour later and go over to the barbecue place because uh uh yeah we were all very moist i couldn't wear
00:02:25 ◼ ► any of those clothes again oh no i i had to change clothes because the my my shirt i came back after
00:02:29 ◼ ► the we went to the barbecue place and that the shirt was still like visibly damp yeah it was i had one of
00:02:36 ◼ ► those moments we're just in it and i buckle up we're talking about sweat i had one of those moments
00:02:41 ◼ ► where like it was just all of a sudden i just felt like four beads of sweat on my back you know it just
00:02:45 ◼ ► like happens i don't know if it's like i'm warm i'm warm oh we passed yeah wherever the room i had
00:02:51 ◼ ► that i had that um we're gonna talk about it i suppose but i had that at the podcast-a-thon where
00:02:55 ◼ ► we there was a a certain item of clothing we were forced to wear trench coat uh that was completely
00:03:02 ◼ ► impermeable to all liquid every possible element and what that you're thinking oh it's like a raincoat
00:03:08 ◼ ► but it was more like you're sweating and the sweat has nowhere to go yeah and uh that was the one
00:03:13 ◼ ► where i put that on and within like 30 seconds i could feel sweat coming on on my brow yeah and i
00:03:19 ◼ ► was i not good i am not claustrophobic but i felt it being blindfolded and wearing an impermeable
00:03:27 ◼ ► trench coat uh was not no thank you thank you to gavin for that question if you'd like to send in a
00:03:32 ◼ ► question of your own please go to upgradefeedback.com and you can send one in uh let's talk about it so
00:03:38 ◼ ► we're here we're here in memphis because uh just a couple of days ago as we're recording this
00:03:43 ◼ ► uh we participated in the seventh podcast-a-thon for the kids of saint jude yeah go to saintjude.org
00:03:49 ◼ ► slash relay and you can learn more about donating um and we have raised over 476 000 is where we're at
00:03:58 ◼ ► right now and i'm expecting it will be a little bit more by the time that you're hearing this
00:04:01 ◼ ► i just today in lieu of talking at length about saint jude as we will again do next week because
00:04:08 ◼ ► this campaign runs all through september i just wanted to talk a little bit about the podcast
00:04:11 ◼ ► it's on uh it's on youtube the entire thing is available on youtube for you to go and watch
00:04:16 ◼ ► um every year i feel like the event gets better and i feel like this is just another of those years
00:04:35 ◼ ► hosting a show for 12 hours is an endurance event yeah for sure to keep your energy up and your
00:04:46 ◼ ► sharpness and your skills going for that period of time it's really really exhausting and especially
00:04:54 ◼ ► where like you just kind of at least for me i'm just putting increasing amounts of caffeine into
00:05:00 ◼ ► my body yes which doesn't feel good no but i need it yes because i'm tired yes because also so like my
00:05:06 ◼ ► day started at 6 a.m we started at 11 and then we went all the way to 11 11 yeah so that's a long
00:05:14 ◼ ► old age and then they don't they don't tell uh you this because you you're off the stream but like
00:05:18 ◼ ► then we clean up because it's yeah it's st jude it's it's we don't have like there's a team there
00:05:23 ◼ ► but like we all help clean up you could leave i guess so but it would be in plain yeah i think
00:05:30 ◼ ► like yeah i mean you should shoot a bunch of streamers off all over a whole tv studio and you
00:05:34 ◼ ► throw a bunch of uh ball pit balls everywhere and then you just like later dudes and you walk out that's
00:05:40 ◼ ► not nice yeah i i think maybe let's say lesser content creators would maybe leave you know i don't
00:05:46 ◼ ► know who they are but not not our people not us we stick around we do that's the kind of people that
00:05:51 ◼ ► we are i will admit that when that cleanup was going on i was um trying to figure out what to do
00:05:56 ◼ ► kind of like a zombie yeah i balls you know what i'll say and this is the same for me every time
00:06:02 ◼ ► i am there yeah and i am moving things around but i do not think i am the most effective at the
00:06:08 ◼ ► cleaning up no no i steven is very good at the cleaning up well as you would imagine he also
00:06:13 ◼ ► brings stuff from home and has little tote little i bring stuff and it takes me as long to find like
00:06:19 ◼ ► my iphone charger yeah as it is for him to like pack a wagon into the back of his truck yeah exactly
00:06:25 ◼ ► but that's just that's just stephen hacker and that man he's a he's a marvel if anybody saw the end of
00:06:31 ◼ ► the podcast a thought if you've not seen the podcast a thought which you should go and skip around it's a
00:06:36 ◼ ► great time just treat yourself to the last 10 minutes it's one of the greatest feats known to
00:06:42 ◼ ► yes where steven he's a he's a regular john henry with his hammer unbelievable the man legendary the
00:06:49 ◼ ► man can do things with a sledgehammer which you would just never believe believe no it's one of the
00:06:53 ◼ ► greatest moments of my life losing the championship was one of the best things that's ever happened
00:06:57 ◼ ► if you're gonna lose it lose it like that exactly if you're gonna and that was it so spoilers uh
00:07:02 ◼ ► we're playing jenga steven was going to lose jenga and i was beating him handily we'll say i i would
00:07:09 ◼ ► say physical domination up to that oh yeah complete domination absolute just i started over a hundred
00:07:14 ◼ ► points behind and it was it was just we built a we built a marshmallow spaghetti tower and it was
00:07:20 ◼ ► incredible we we came from way behind to win our sweat soaked spy challenge i don't know how we did
00:07:26 ◼ ► that i i watched i watched the tape and i still don't know yeah we are basically i am a marvel too
00:07:39 ◼ ► feat you can win basically steven had to remove a the challenge was remove one jenga block with a
00:07:45 ◼ ► sledgehammer and i said if you do this i will grant you 160 points a jenga block at the very bottom of
00:07:52 ◼ ► an incredibly rickety tower by how he could not remove by hand yes without it falling over yes yes
00:07:57 ◼ ► and and so hit it with a sledgehammer in a particular place and if somehow the tower remains standing you win
00:08:02 ◼ ► the challenge yes and and friends he did it and and we have multiple camera angles it's incredible
00:08:08 ◼ ► it's just unbelievable uh i will also put a link in the show notes to a post that steven put on instagram
00:08:15 ◼ ► which is erin lists uh she got it from another angle which was amazing and you get to see uh there are two
00:08:21 ◼ ► reactions it's it feels like one of those films that like historical where you have to watch it multiple
00:08:26 ◼ ► times to see the various reactions and i would like to point people to two reactions one steven's wife
00:08:32 ◼ ► mary running towards him as if he has i don't know on the super bowl yeah and at that and also me
00:08:38 ◼ ► jumping out of the ball pit like a meerkat i i am sitting down and then i am standing up and i'm not sure
00:08:46 ◼ ► how the propelling occurred yeah uh and it was i made so much noise uh just an ungodly amount of noise
00:08:54 ◼ ► i think i was just at one point just actually screaming like there was no there was nothing to
00:08:59 ◼ ► be said no it was just a noise there was a lot of that yeah uh it was just such a good time uh
00:09:06 ◼ ► i and we raised i believe i may be speaking out of school we raised more money during this podcast
00:09:14 ◼ ► a thun than any podcast a thun before i think that is accurate um which is incredible and we're so
00:09:20 ◼ ► thankful for everybody that tuned in uh we're so thankful for everybody that will donate has donated
00:09:25 ◼ ► through this campaign will donate through this campaign uh we're so grateful um we know giving
00:09:31 ◼ ► money giving your money can be difficult there are times where it's harder than others and i think that
00:09:36 ◼ ► this is one of those times where it's harder than others and i just want to let everybody know that we're so
00:09:44 ◼ ► grateful if you give any money um so please continue to do so if you can go to saintju.org
00:09:50 ◼ ► relay and you can donate until the end of september and next week we'll talk a little bit more about
00:09:54 ◼ ► the saintju admission nice i have a couple of items of follow-up for you jason snell uh scott wrote in
00:10:01 ◼ ► and said i've got this a couple of times so i wanted to write in uh because you may know about it already
00:10:06 ◼ ► but i want to let our listeners know about it too yeah uh quick follow-up regarding the keyboard
00:10:11 ◼ ► shortcuts to access directly the four new modes of spotlight on tahoe i discovered accidentally that
00:10:17 ◼ ► you don't need to hit command space and then command four as an example and i think that opens the
00:10:23 ◼ ► clipboard yeah clipboard manager uh in one motion so in one motion it is possible to hit command space
00:10:29 ◼ ► and four with the fingers still on the command space and it jumps right to the clipboard manager
00:10:33 ◼ ► so it is effectively a direct three key shortcut of command space four it works smoothly for me with
00:10:39 ◼ ► all four modes i did not find any documentation for this um this is accurate but i would uh so it's
00:10:47 ◼ ► great um it means you still have to press command and then press space and then press four in that
00:10:53 ◼ ► sequence and i would really rather you not need three keys to do that i agree but yes if you leave
00:10:58 ◼ ► command down and hit space you can and you can even leave space down if you want to and i believe
00:11:05 ◼ ► that will work but um so that's great i i it doesn't satisfy me but it's true yeah and a four in space are
00:11:13 ◼ ► way apart and like it's it's it's fine it's a little like command shift three for a screenshot like you can
00:11:19 ◼ ► do it if you do it in the right sequence but i'd much rather just hit command something and have it
00:11:23 ◼ ► happen automatically but yeah it's a nice little i'm not even sure if apple played that this might
00:11:30 ◼ ► just be something yeah it's a side effect it was just we have multiple upgradians right and to say
00:11:34 ◼ ► this and each one of them was like i think i found this i don't know if it's supposed to work like this
00:11:39 ◼ ► i can't find anyone that's written about it but i guess it does which is very strange uh ava wrote
00:11:46 ◼ ► to him regarding the cross body strap which i have uh next to me talk about a little later on in the
00:11:50 ◼ ► episode uh ava says i think one of the major reasons people use phone lanyard is because
00:11:55 ◼ ► they frequently drop their phones a friend of mine has dropped and shattered her phone at least a
00:12:00 ◼ ► dozen times to the point that she was threading a string through her case uh through the charge
00:12:04 ◼ ► borehole it got to the point that she gave up repairing the screen um i i wrote in the document
00:12:11 ◼ ► something that is now true so i will say instead of a an imagination i'll say it as an actuality
00:12:16 ◼ ► it is incredibly convenient after i was playing with this earlier to just use your phone and let
00:12:21 ◼ ► go of it yeah sure you just let go of the phone i'm done with the phone i let go of the phone it's
00:12:24 ◼ ► like prince dropping of a guitar and having to fly into space it's just you know a magic thing where
00:12:28 ◼ ► the phone goes i don't know and then when i want it it's right it's right there i'll just say that
00:12:31 ◼ ► once you get used to that and if you're not in that mode um it's bad bad news bad news best
00:12:36 ◼ ► you just walk around like the phone's gone get out of here that's how you end up breaking more
00:12:41 ◼ ► phones yeah so don't do that but but yeah a couple of other items where i'm catching us up now okay on
00:12:47 ◼ ► news from the past couple of weeks got it um google and apple are keeping the search deal in place yes
00:12:53 ◼ ► so i'm going to read from judge amit meta's conclusion i guess we'll call it google will
00:12:58 ◼ ► not be barred from making payments or offering other consideration to distribution partners for
00:13:03 ◼ ► preloading of placement of google search chrome or its gen ai products so this is essentially
00:13:10 ◼ ► uh google can continue to pay the 20 billion dollars a year or whatever it is to apple to
00:13:17 ◼ ► get their placement i've listened to podcasts about this and i've read stuff about the way that the
00:13:27 ◼ ► the result of the case where it's i think it's kind of unfortunate in a way where it's essentially
00:13:34 ◼ ► we don't think that they should be able to do all those things but if we stop google from
00:13:40 ◼ ► giving companies this money a bunch of companies will suffer not apple but mozilla opera well yeah
00:13:48 ◼ ► i mean you're punishing them by not having them not have to pay money which is bizarre yeah and hard
00:13:54 ◼ ► has lots of other harm and but it locks them into their position i mean and that's the argument is that
00:13:59 ◼ ► they they have become powerful because they've basically spent money to build a whole ecosystem that's
00:14:06 ◼ ► grown up around them to the point where now if you rip that out you're ruining the rest of that ecosystem
00:14:12 ◼ ► yeah yeah and it's like i understand it essential yeah i understand it intellectually but i think
00:14:19 ◼ ► there's a problem in that yeah right like google is not a utility right there should be the potential
00:14:25 ◼ ► of a competition and that still may come but it's not going to come through the court so but then it's like
00:14:33 ◼ ► okay that's great like opera and mozilla they can continue to make the money they need apple gets
00:14:40 ◼ ► 20 billion dollars they don't need it but they get it yep that's the problem but you would be getting
00:14:45 ◼ ► way too granular to be like you can't pay apple right because the argument would be if apple weren't
00:14:50 ◼ ► getting all the billions of dollars from google they probably would have built their own yeah search
00:14:54 ◼ ► product which would compete with google which i think is a good thing yeah for competition sure here we are
00:14:59 ◼ ► yeah speaking of google i thought this is really interesting the chrome ios app has received a
00:15:06 ◼ ► liquid glass update what they did a they did a software update not like in in prompt fashion
00:15:13 ◼ ► they actually did it good chrome unusual for them chrome gets more updates than the docs products of
00:15:19 ◼ ► course um and i do kind of understand it to a way the docs products are complicated with the
00:15:24 ◼ ► collaboration and stuff and it's a lot of web views and so i put a link in the show notes to a nine to
00:15:28 ◼ ► google article where they show some screenshots side by side this is not groundbreaking but there are
00:15:35 ◼ ► elements that look like ios 26 elements there are glassy elements the buttons are what they
00:15:40 ◼ ► are expected to be looked like in the human interface guidelines i mentioned this only because
00:15:47 ◼ ► there has been concern that or like thought that oh hey the big companies are just not going to adopt
00:15:53 ◼ ► liquid glass they're going to want to keep their own style and that is definitely going to be the case
00:15:58 ◼ ► in some instances i just thought it was interesting that google has updated probably one of their most
00:16:04 ◼ ► most popular ios apps pretty much immediately with some ios 26 fashion and i think that that is
00:16:12 ◼ ► potentially an indication that this might be a little bit more prevalent than we think over the long
00:16:18 ◼ ► term that that companies are going to implement things that fit with the system and still keep their
00:16:24 ◼ ► the way they're going to be able to take their own house style where they want to we'll see
00:16:27 ◼ ► the new apple watch hermes watch face features clarice the dog cow steven has to buy an hermes i think i guess so
00:16:37 ◼ ► so this is the the hermes face which essentially looks like a kind of a take on the like swiss
00:16:43 ◼ ► clock kind of idea i think it's swiss right like the cuckoo clocks the big cuckoo clocks
00:16:47 ◼ ► one of the hours the animations that happens on the hours is clarice i think jumping out of a window
00:16:55 ◼ ► um so that's you got that going for you i don't understand this watch face it's very weird it's very
00:17:02 ◼ ► strange i think it's too much for a watch face i think it's would work great as like an apple tv
00:17:07 ◼ ► screensaver um but a watch face not for me but it's there if you want if you really want claros on your
00:17:14 ◼ ► wrist there's no way to get it if uh retro pixel art was not already dead it's embraced by a luxury
00:17:22 ◼ ► brand would kill it that's very true and final cut camera 2.0 has been released it has a bunch
00:17:28 ◼ ► of new features there's a reason i'm mentioning this is because today we are using final cut camera
00:17:33 ◼ ► to record i mean the video version of this podcast possibly uh the setup process was complicated we
00:17:39 ◼ ► currently actually actually it was very easy for two phones yes and then one phone refused to connect
00:17:45 ◼ ► we are using two iphones and an ipad pro to record this we wanted to use three iphones but one of the
00:17:51 ◼ ► iphones just right just wouldn't so our our two shot is my ipad on uh my suitcase on your bed then
00:18:00 ◼ ► we have your iphone 16 on a tripod my iphone my new iphone air in a bumper case on a flimsy tripod
00:18:07 ◼ ► they're both flimsy i mean they would be they're travel tripods mike i'll have you know that that
00:18:16 ◼ ► it's true story okay uh we we expected to have more phones here today than we do that is something
00:18:25 ◼ ► we'll get to in a minute yeah um it's going to be interesting to see how this comes together so the
00:18:30 ◼ ► idea is we have a multi-camera setup in final cut camera which you will then do a final cut final cut
00:18:35 ◼ ► edit on ipad worst case scenario since i'm recording the two shot on the ipad presumably we have a two
00:18:41 ◼ ► shot unless the ipad which we can't see has failed and crashed in which case there's no youtube video
00:18:47 ◼ ► this week i didn't think about this we should have set another iphone with a front-facing camera on a
00:18:51 ◼ ► tripod in front of the ipad so we could see the ipad screen that's what we should have done we'll
00:18:56 ◼ ► facetime to it why didn't we think of that because we're not smart yeah clearly i think a lot of things
00:19:02 ◼ ► that we have done today not because we're not smart i agree with you also including we have rearranged
00:19:07 ◼ ► basically every piece of furniture in this hotel i recommend you leave all the furniture where it is
00:19:12 ◼ ► i'm not going to do that as a uh i have already to the staff as people have who watched the podcast
00:19:19 ◼ ► will know i have already obliterated this hotel room with a bottle that's true glass bottle that's
00:19:24 ◼ ► true which happened just over there by the way because you want to see the the historical site
00:19:28 ◼ ► where i dropped the glass bottle it's right over there in the corner all right i'm glad i'm wearing
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00:21:29 ◼ ► thing we can do now okay so it's iphone week it's iphone week this iphone week has been a little bit
00:21:38 ◼ ► tumultuous i would say so it started with us trying to order the iphones we usually get them on friday
00:21:45 ◼ ► me and stephen um he orders for me and then this time i wanted to order another one for myself the
00:21:52 ◼ ► iphone air we could not get a pickup time early enough on friday that somebody could actually go
00:21:59 ◼ ► and do that because the apple the apple store and st jude are nowhere near each other yeah it's very far
00:22:05 ◼ ► away yeah and we weren't going to send someone to go do it so like oh we'll do it on saturday
00:22:09 ◼ ► but then we're going to the football game right and so it's like okay saturday night saturday night
00:22:14 ◼ ► we'll go pick them up so we'll go pick them up on saturday night great and also but you know what
00:22:19 ◼ ► doesn't matter jason will have his phones from apple right where are they um being delivered to my house
00:22:43 ◼ ► an iphone air an iphone air only i have had any experience with them and my that's not true
00:22:49 ◼ ► because i i hand while you were picking up your phones at the saddle creek apple store that's i did
00:22:54 ◼ ► an intensive uh hands-on experience with them at the apple store just at a table well okay i'm the
00:23:02 ◼ ► only one our listeners may most of our listeners probably have spent more time with these products
00:23:07 ◼ ► than we have which is strange it is a little weird yeah so but but we have some impressions and then
00:23:13 ◼ ► next week we have to talk more about them yes i also have some fun stories which i think send in
00:23:18 ◼ ► your impressions upgrade feedback.com and we'll talk about it in more detail next week so let me let's
00:23:23 ◼ ► start with the iphone pro so my immediate thing that i noticed was not about how much i love the orange
00:23:30 ◼ ► to do it is that this phone is thicker and heavier i would say quite significantly in the hand than the
00:23:38 ◼ ► phone it replaces to me like i picked it up and i was like oh that's heavier and i have it in my hand
00:23:45 ◼ ► and i can tell it's thicker now i am i would say i don't know if i have like a special sense for this
00:23:51 ◼ ► kind of thing but i am i think this comes from the paper products that i make i'm very sensitive to
00:23:58 ◼ ► millimeter differences so like i can and as this happened i can pick up one of our products and i
00:24:03 ◼ ► know i can i am able to sense if it's like two millimeters different and i think that that somehow
00:24:12 ◼ ► translates itself to the phone because i could immediately tell it was thicker and it's not that
00:24:16 ◼ ► much thicker but i can just tell i don't know how i feel about that yet um the i will get used to it
00:24:24 ◼ ► but it is kind of for me the the worst case feeling that i expected which was this phone is getting
00:24:30 ◼ ► heavier and i i didn't want that to happen also it um you can see apple's product design trick here
00:24:37 ◼ ► which is they've gone back to softer edges and one of the reasons to do that is actually to
00:24:44 ◼ ► trick your perception and just feeling that it is thinner than it is and that and i would say
00:24:51 ◼ ► the thing that i like about the build is the softer edges i think it feels nice to hold
00:24:57 ◼ ► but and that's why they're doing it i also noticed that it's cold the phone is cold to touch now it may
00:25:05 ◼ ► just be because i have not wrapped this thing up i will say my phone is currently installing a bunch
00:25:09 ◼ ► of stuff and it's cold yeah my iphone 16 pro installing an app from the app store it feels like
00:25:17 ◼ ► it's going to catch on fire yes like yesterday when we were at that football game my phone i took a
00:25:23 ◼ ► picture my phone was so hot because it was also hot i put it in my pocket and it was burning my leg
00:25:28 ◼ ► like yeah there is there is a problem with the iphone 16 pro maybe mine is more of a problem
00:25:35 ◼ ► but there is absolutely a reason that they moved to this new vapor chamber system and i think it's
00:25:41 ◼ ► because there is a they have gotten themselves into an overheating problem like i think was it the 16
00:25:47 ◼ ► that when it came out apple was like oh it's instagram's fault yeah yeah yeah i mean there's
00:25:52 ◼ ► been that conversation about like it's it's an app or it's just indexing and all of that but they've
00:25:57 ◼ ► they've run hot and and this i mean part of it is that it's aluminum yep and um and then there's the
00:26:05 ◼ ► cooling system and we'll see how it goes in the long run but that's part of what's going on there
00:26:09 ◼ ► the material is cool with a lot of these things it's like apple will say a thing and then they
00:26:15 ◼ ► will do a thing and usually you understand what they would like to say by what they do so they'll
00:26:22 ◼ ► be like hey it's fine but also we've changed the cooling system we've completely redesigned the
00:26:26 ◼ ► thermals of this why did we do this don't even ask about it yeah it's better now it's not it's not
00:26:30 ◼ ► for you to know it's nice we did it all right we just did it um i also like the the the plateau
00:26:36 ◼ ► nice resting point for the hand oh yeah yeah i think people are going to really dig this so like
00:26:41 ◼ ► i have had that experience with my pop socket most of the time the pop socket on my iphone is is closed
00:26:47 ◼ ► i don't extend it and i'm using the pop socket as like a ridge for my hand that's kind of just a
00:26:54 ◼ ► comfortable way for me to hold the phone i think people are going to enjoy that about this far i really
00:27:00 ◼ ► like the curve i talked about the curve on the edges the curve around the plateau is also a really
00:27:06 ◼ ► nice like it feels really nice yeah they did a good job in the one piece aluminum is really nice like
00:27:12 ◼ ► there are advantages to doing the one piece of aluminum the two-tone is really interesting
00:27:30 ◼ ► it's like design wise they're leaning into the entire concept of magsafe attachments yes because
00:27:38 ◼ ► it looks i i carry around a magsafe wallet on my phone currently and the the new phone looks like
00:27:45 ◼ ► a space saying you can put your magsafe attachment here please attach your wallet to this location it is
00:27:51 ◼ ► very much like we were sponsored by open case last week and it essentially looks like this phone has
00:27:56 ◼ ► one of their cases because their case has the big hole in the in the in the center for the magsafe
00:28:00 ◼ ► attachments to go in and it's funny because it really does just look like that um i yeah i really like
00:28:08 ◼ ► the way it looks i like the way it feels the i was i was kind of getting lost in looking at the screen
00:28:13 ◼ ► and like seeing the orange around the outside which i like but it's like this feels odd like it's not
00:28:21 ◼ ► it just doesn't look like what i'm used to seeing on my iphone um it's going to be really interesting
00:28:27 ◼ ► like i've seen a lot of people already saying like a couple of days in i've seen this on on mastodon
00:28:33 ◼ ► blue sky saying like i like the orange but i'm getting tired of the orange already that like for
00:28:40 ◼ ► some people it's like oh this is it's a lot and it is a lot a lot and i i remain very intrigued about
00:28:48 ◼ ► what because the blue also lovely yes much more understated yes like the bright orange like this i
00:28:57 ◼ ► would i would love to know why they've done it it's it's fascinating to me to go this extreme with it
00:29:03 ◼ ► but i am happy that i have it i think it's very fun you know i mean i'm i'm like i get orange so i get
00:29:09 ◼ ► gold iphones you know like i always go for the most outlandish one this is definitely it um and i think it
00:29:16 ◼ ► looks great i agree it looks beautiful so i'll talk about my iphone transfer this is part of the
00:29:21 ◼ ► issue so i like to do the direct transfer so from one iphone to the other one moves it moves the most
00:29:29 ◼ ► amount of stuff over and for me tends to be done quicker because i keep all my photos on my device
00:29:36 ◼ ► for example downloading all that stuff from the cloud is going to take forever especially on what is
00:29:42 ◼ ► admittedly pretty poor hotel wi-fi that we have here at the hotel that we're in the thing about
00:29:49 ◼ ► direct transfer so this is part of the quick start system it's called direct transfer the thing about
00:29:58 ◼ ► and like it gets stuck or it fails and whenever you redo it it always takes a couple of attempts to
00:30:07 ◼ ► actually get it to start again there seems to be this weird scenario that like if they've begun the
00:30:12 ◼ ► handshake trying to get them to redo that kind of similar to how we were trying to get that iphone to
00:30:18 ◼ ► connect your ipad for the final cut camera it's like they it's like they know that each other exists
00:30:22 ◼ ► but they don't they're not communicating what i also wanted to do this time because you mentioned
00:30:28 ◼ ► it i looked it up is to use a thunderbolt cable to transfer between the two so i bought an overpriced
00:30:33 ◼ ► thunderbolt cable from apple plugged it into both of them and it was doing its thing i had an issue
00:30:39 ◼ ► the battery life ah yes i don't know how you're supposed to do this um to make it everyone i guess maybe
00:30:49 ◼ ► very fast wireless chargers maybe because i had my iphone on my travel charger which is a it's a
00:30:57 ◼ ► slower wattage it's not a super fast wattage and then the thunderbolt cable into the new phone which
00:31:04 ◼ ► was then being powered is like daisy chaining the battery was just going down down down down down down
00:31:10 ◼ ► down down down down i couldn't do anything about it we were getting towards 20 and i was like well this
00:31:16 ◼ ► isn't going to work at a 20 battery life it started at like 70 we're two hours in got 20 battery life
00:31:23 ◼ ► and it says like six hours remaining so well this isn't going to work as well so i was like well
00:31:28 ◼ ► at this point let me just see what happens so i pulled out the cable and it was like need to connect
00:31:35 ◼ ► and then it just reconnected so it found itself a wi-fi so it said at that point said like seven hours
00:31:40 ◼ ► remaining plugged them in went to sleep woke up in the morning so this is like 11 i woke up at 4 45
00:31:47 ◼ ► 17 hours remaining it's like what has happened overnight and the battery life on both of them
00:31:54 ◼ ► 30 now they are both charging by cable in the wall oh man something happened something bad happened i don't know
00:32:03 ◼ ► what it was but it wasn't great so i then i just canceled the transfer and started an icloud transfer
00:32:11 ◼ ► like an icloud backup which again it's like could take about 15 minutes to get started four hours go by
00:32:17 ◼ ► and my phone is now ready to use and it's very slowly downloading stuff what i am going to do when
00:32:23 ◼ ► i get like now you can see my iphone is just full of just blank widgets yeah because it's downloading
00:32:28 ◼ ► these apps very slowly but i wanted to at least have it boot and so i could like open the camera
00:32:34 ◼ ► app or whatever my plan is most likely when i get home i'm just going to start again and do a direct
00:32:40 ◼ ► transfer yeah um i don't know why it went the way that it did it just did go that way and this is kind
00:32:48 ◼ ► of the scenarios i know you've mentioned about doing icloud and icloud is the most reliable at getting
00:32:54 ◼ ► the thing to happen and it gets you up and running fast it keeps loading them in the background but
00:33:00 ◼ ► for me it's like it is the one that then will take the the longest yes to be done yes because
00:33:07 ◼ ► even if i was at home to download the hundreds of gigabytes of phone we're days in you know and like
00:33:13 ◼ ► also i open my messages app there's like three threads in there yep it's like all of this stuff
00:33:19 ◼ ► will eventually find its way but what i have the phone running now that's great i didn't transfer
00:33:24 ◼ ► my sim or anything like that and it's on and working i will let it do its thing because i'm leaving today
00:33:32 ◼ ► i'll let it do its thing i'll play around with it and then when i get home tomorrow i will
00:33:36 ◼ ► maybe plug them in again i'll just set it next to each other both charging and it'll be done in a few
00:33:43 ◼ ► hours or whatever so i don't i i often wonder is it like i know i know it's creating its own network
00:33:48 ◼ ► but maybe if it doesn't have good wi-fi maybe that makes it go a bit weird i i don't know what the
00:33:54 ◼ ► problem is but it just goes a bit strange um i do have a cup i have i have two notes about the the
00:34:02 ◼ ► process of setting up an iphone again now because we go through this every year one face id
00:34:08 ◼ ► they have gotten so good at that scanning that you can be done in one face scan yeah and it's super
00:34:16 ◼ ► quick and they're like hey do you want to do it with a mask you know you can do face i do most say yes
00:34:20 ◼ ► you just do one more scan and it's completely done that was that's very impressive camera control by
00:34:26 ◼ ► default with setting up a new iphone default to no swiping just and you have to turn it on
00:34:35 ◼ ► that's interesting i think that shows the future of that button that it will just be a button that
00:34:42 ◼ ► doesn't have the swipey swipes on it and i think the thing that was most interesting to me and i don't
00:34:49 ◼ ► know the ramifications of this are yet even when you're restoring from an icloud backup the phone
00:34:55 ◼ ► prompts you to set up apple intelligence again and asks you like what notifications do you want to be
00:35:02 ◼ ► grouped and all that kind of stuff do you want prior notifications so is it going to forget all of the
00:35:07 ◼ ► preferences i have for apple intelligence from phone to phone like if i have said hey don't summarize
00:35:12 ◼ ► this app is it going to do it again i found that interesting like why is that setting not
00:35:17 ◼ ► coming over from phone to phone right so i don't know what's going on there and i did have a thought
00:35:23 ◼ ► about transfers before we have a story to tell uh it would be so great if when your iphone arrived it
00:35:31 ◼ ► was already ready for you like how amazon does for the kindle yeah i know this is a big request right
00:35:37 ◼ ► but it feels like a very apple thing to do yeah i realize that the there's a lot going on here yeah i
00:35:46 ◼ ► don't know what the security ramifications are sure but the idea they've already got the system where
00:35:52 ◼ ► they can like lay these phones down inbox and they get a software update yep but the idea that your phone
00:35:59 ◼ ► comes to you with your if you choose because amazon lets you choose already sort of like attached to
00:36:08 ◼ ► your apple id and maybe it's as simple as that they don't have that that's not secure because
00:36:13 ◼ ► they can't unlock or whatever but like it's an interesting idea to like could they prepare your
00:36:22 ◼ ► phone in some way so that when it comes out of the box because the goal is always to make getting a new
00:36:28 ◼ ► iphone delightful yeah and the startup process is bad even though it's better it's just not a good
00:36:37 ◼ ► experience and and i i don't think there's anything that they can do with the way that it is currently
00:36:43 ◼ ► working to ever make it a good experience because ultimately it always requires an element of data
00:36:51 ◼ ► download and that is just not fun you're waiting for something and if any of it could be made
00:37:00 ◼ ► easier that basically what i want is to open the box turn it on and use my new iphone yeah the problem
00:37:07 ◼ ► is going to be you know any method where they're loading data from your icloud account even if it's
00:37:12 ◼ ► encrypted is a security hole oh for sure but look this is like a lot of things the desire is what i
00:37:21 ◼ ► have right the problem so the problem is not mine yeah yeah how do you how do you improve i'm sure
00:37:27 ◼ ► there's a whole team at apple that this is all they do is because they have they improve right and
00:37:31 ◼ ► they have over we talk about it every year yes and there are still quirks in this system like what i've
00:37:37 ◼ ► experienced but when it works which it does eventually work it's great and also just all
00:37:44 ◼ ► of the ways in which over time they ask you fewer questions they ask a lot of questions now but they
00:37:50 ◼ ► used to ask re-ask every preference yeah just maddening and they also have choice now about how you'll do it
00:37:58 ◼ ► like do you want to do an icloud backup to restore do you want to do it from another phone do you want to
00:38:03 ◼ ► do it from a computer i probably should have tried that someone wrote in and said like backing up to
00:38:09 ◼ ► a mac and downloading from a mac is actually still a good experience and upgrading wrote in to say that
00:38:13 ◼ ► interesting i don't know but they say it worked for them i don't know but you have options and even
00:38:18 ◼ ► when you go into like hey i want to download i want to do say the the icloud restore you can have
00:38:24 ◼ ► some preference about what parts you want to restore and all that kind of stuff it's better
00:38:31 ◼ ► it's still not a good experience it's an okay experience a good experience is when you've people
00:38:39 ◼ ► are excited to get a new iphone you can just start using it even if it's like the most simple experience
00:38:45 ◼ ► that's why i think the icloud backup is the best one because you can just start because you can just
00:38:49 ◼ ► start using it and the rest of it just sort of fills in and that's gotten better over time again i mean
00:38:54 ◼ ► the problem that i have you have an enormous number of photos but that also makes your your wired transfer
00:39:00 ◼ ► or your device that's one of the things that makes it so long so long i have half a terabyte of local
00:39:07 ◼ ► storage i'm used on my iphone it's a lot at some point i'm gonna break but but this is why i choose the
00:39:15 ◼ ► direct the the reason i choose the direct transfer is for me just because of the way that my life has
00:39:20 ◼ ► been i'm always getting a new iphone in america like when i'm in a hotel and hotel wi-fi is so bad
00:39:26 ◼ ► always for this kind of stuff so i figured the direct transfer would get me what i want quickest
00:39:31 ◼ ► but it doesn't but it doesn't work i wasn't the only one that tried to do this and i didn't have the
00:39:37 ◼ ► worst experience so our friend casey lists who we love so much casey was very excited to get his new
00:39:43 ◼ ► iphone we got in the car on our way back to the hotel casey has already started to do the direct
00:39:50 ◼ ► transfer bold yeah bold yeah bold move he brought a battery with him yeah he had a cable yep he was
00:39:58 ◼ ► doing it he's showing us screens he's like look camera control stuff no what are you doing it's
00:40:02 ◼ ► like i'm setting up my iphone it's like that is bold the context for this we got our phone so it's
00:40:07 ◼ ► 7 p.m casey is leaving the hotel to catch a flight of 4 in the morning yeah so we're on a real tight
00:40:13 ◼ ► we have less than 12 hours to go we have a real tight clock for all casey lists nine hours right
00:40:18 ◼ ► 7 p.m 4 a.m yeah yeah pushing he's pushing it i don't know how much stuff he has on his iphone but
00:40:26 ◼ ► that's pushing it also his wife's not happy about this no so erin's with us erin's been great this week
00:40:34 ◼ ► she puts up a lot with that man yeah she wasn't suffering this no so we're in the hotel bar casey's
00:40:40 ◼ ► phone still doing its thing all of a sudden cancelled says can't not casey i don't know maybe
00:40:46 ◼ ► cancelled his iphone big red triangle yeah didn't work failure casey's freaking out he dropped one
00:40:54 ◼ ► phone on top of the other phone oh man he's having a whole time yeah best part of this by the way is
00:40:58 ◼ ► that the transfer is cancelled but his sim card has succeeded yeah in being transferred so he has
00:41:03 ◼ ► a non he's sim he i don't you don't need to do this right like they ask you if you want to do this
00:41:09 ◼ ► i do it after yeah because now casey's in a scenario where he has two iphones yeah one with all his stuff
00:41:16 ◼ ► one of all his stuff and a broken one that's also his cell phone because the one of all his stuff
00:41:21 ◼ ► has no data connection anymore right it was at this moment that he went red because he is realizing
00:41:28 ◼ ► what is going on yeah it is now 8 9 p.m around that kind of time so he has two iphones neither of them
00:41:38 ◼ ► do what he want yeah and erin says to him you better have your boarding pass because casey's boarding pass
00:41:43 ◼ ► is on his iphone yeah along with everything else he might think i think what erin said was well i'm
00:41:48 ◼ ► getting on that plane tomorrow morning that's actually a good point one of the worst parts of
00:41:53 ◼ ► this for casey is uh he has an audience of about seven people all of us who are hanging out in the
00:41:57 ◼ ► hotel watching this would be the highest stress for me yeah is i don't want an audience when i'm
00:42:01 ◼ ► troubleshooting something and like my and i've got like family members around watching me struggle with
00:42:06 ◼ ► something that is the worst feeling in the world to me i i just i'm working the problem here i'm not
00:42:11 ◼ ► what i will say to them because in that moment i'm not very nice yes i will say this is not a
00:42:17 ◼ ► performance that's a great go go somewhere else yes i'm working on it you know what i agree with
00:42:22 ◼ ► you because i i also i get really flustered and i get frustrated as he was and i don't need people
00:42:28 ◼ ► to see me no and also make fun of me because oh boy will we make him oh man oh boy casey is so nice
00:42:34 ◼ ► and i did feel for him beyond behind the laughter i also felt for him because he was in a bad but then
00:42:39 ◼ ► again he also got himself into that situation by making by making bad decisions and this is the thing
00:42:44 ◼ ► we're we are all before it failed we all said casey what are you doing don't do this just do
00:42:50 ◼ ► it at home yes play turn it on and and don't set it up and just play with it to play with it but leave
00:42:57 ◼ ► your functional phone functional until you get home yeah now i'll say i did it too but i had all night
00:43:04 ◼ ► so my expectation was it will work if it doesn't i'll cancel it and i had like a whole backup plan i also
00:43:09 ◼ ► had a whole separate phone the iphone air which is sitting there doing nothing yep i wasn't that
00:43:13 ◼ ► started from zero the iphone air his issue was he was leaving the hotel so soon that was the problem
00:43:22 ◼ ► they're like even if it worked you were pushing it yeah yeah now it turned out he canceled it started
00:43:29 ◼ ► again and it did the transfer although he said send me a message this morning i think it was to our group
00:43:34 ◼ ► chat and said i have no eye messages right my eye message history is gone and maybe that will come
00:43:39 ◼ ► back to him perhaps because that might sink out of the cloud yeah i don't know what's going on there
00:43:44 ◼ ► um also we heard from him we have from him so we know that's a good sign that's a good point that's a
00:43:50 ◼ ► very good some device was able to send a message but one of the things that i love about the podcast
00:43:56 ◼ ► and this time in memphis it's just a lot of hanging out hanging out with friends yeah one of my favorite
00:44:03 ◼ ► things to do with my friends like everyone is we all take the make out of each other we give each
00:44:07 ◼ ► other a hard time it's a great time my thing for casey was i said to i turned to him at one point i
00:44:11 ◼ ► said not only are you struggling with this you've got a story but i'm telling your story on my podcast
00:44:17 ◼ ► before you tell it on yours yeah casey can tell it on atp but everybody's too late now listens to both
00:44:22 ◼ ► upgrade and atp you'll be like i've already heard casey's so not only did he go through it we'll get
00:44:26 ◼ ► casey's version yeah which will be more there's more detail that we don't have right and he'll be
00:44:30 ◼ ► now he'll be cursing us yes which is great now we get to take his moment from him yeah i just think
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00:46:18 ◼ ► and all of relay so let's talk about the iphone air yeah the little one i recommend holding it
00:46:27 ◼ ► between two fingers at the down toward the bottom nobody's done that personal balance thing just try
00:46:33 ◼ ► that on that try it it's so good it feels so good obviously immediate how thin a light is and it
00:46:41 ◼ ► does what it says on the tin yeah kind of impossibly so when you pick it up first time i picked it up i was
00:46:49 ◼ ► like oh because i wait until i got opened mine i didn't pick up at the apple store and it isn't that
00:46:55 ◼ ► is incredibly thin and i told you a fun fact about show of our listeners to my friend austin evans
00:47:00 ◼ ► he's a youtuber and he made a funny like short where he got some calipers at the thickest point
00:47:06 ◼ ► the iphone air is thicker than the iphone 17 so the camera area and he uh he kind of pontificated
00:47:14 ◼ ► just i think is correct the camera sticks out further because there's stuff behind it because
00:47:20 ◼ ► they're putting so much stuff the brains of the whole plateau at the top yeah that it actually makes
00:47:24 ◼ ► that bump at its thickest point thicker than the 17 it does not matter for this phone but that is just
00:47:30 ◼ ► a fun trivia point because i feel like you know that could come up one day because this isn't actually
00:47:36 ◼ ► at its thickest point the thinnest phone even though it's thinnest everywhere else right like it is so
00:47:42 ◼ ► thin it's like the buttons look weird right because it's like the buttons are basically
00:47:45 ◼ ► the entire edge of the rail um it's beautiful and it's so clearly the future yeah one way or another
00:47:53 ◼ ► whatever is they're hoping to build with this technology this is different to the mini and
00:48:07 ◼ ► a lot of effort and a lot of work to create something new this isn't just hey here is a bigger
00:48:17 ◼ ► version of the regular iphone or here's a smaller version of the regular iphone this is a technical
00:48:24 ◼ ► leap to create something so thin and so durable there's been lots of bend tests now this thing
00:48:36 ◼ ► all that stuff yeah it i mean i i mentioned last time when we talked about the announcement that this
00:48:43 ◼ ► has an iphone 10 feel to me which is they are experimenting with a new wave of technologies
00:48:50 ◼ ► technologies in order to achieve what they won't think the future of the phone is yep and i hear
00:48:59 ◼ ► people when they say i don't i don't need my phone to be ultra thin and ultra light but at the same time
00:49:05 ◼ ► i feel like ultra thin and ultra light is a direction that i i don't think if you imagine the smartphone of
00:49:14 ◼ ► 10 years from now it's going to be thicker than today's smartphones right that's not going to
00:49:20 ◼ ► happen the directions are clear and and and apple apple's vision anyway we'll see where it actually
00:49:27 ◼ ► goes but apple's vision i think now that they're trying out is we want to make the thinnest part of
00:49:33 ◼ ► the of the phone as thin as possible and we want to build a pod for the the stuff that requires more
00:49:43 ◼ ► and we'll place that at an appropriate point like the top and then they're going to go down this path
00:49:48 ◼ ► they're going to have you know because the miniaturization of all the other components means
00:49:52 ◼ ► that you're left with if if all of the other components go somewhere else all you're left with
00:49:57 ◼ ► is the screen and because the screen has such amazing you know width and height compared to the little pod
00:50:05 ◼ ► the every even a thin battery across that width and the height is a lot of battery and the air shows
00:50:14 ◼ ► that but that also points to the future which is you could envision apple thinking about a design
00:50:21 ◼ ► language for its products where they are impossibly thin and light it's just it feels like it's just a
00:50:27 ◼ ► screen it's actually just a screen with a battery behind it a thin because even a thin battery spread over
00:50:32 ◼ ► the entire width and height of a screen is a lot of battery if you start to think of it that way and
00:50:37 ◼ ► and and then apple says oh that that uh that iconic plateau that we built into all these phones now
00:50:44 ◼ ► that's going to be the outboard motor of the of our devices it's going to be a little blob at the top
00:50:50 ◼ ► you could imagine this for an ipad as well like thinner and thinner and thinner because i think
00:50:56 ◼ ► from a design standpoint the ideal you know ideal and i mean that ideal product is something that is
00:51:04 ◼ ► essentially um just a screen yeah which is because even when you have the pod you're not hold they put
00:51:15 ◼ ► it in a place where you don't hold it exactly so when you hold it you don't notice that yes when we
00:51:20 ◼ ► were at the football game i was paying attention to people and their devices and i was watching so many
00:51:26 ◼ ► people stuff phones into pockets that were too small for them men women and everybody else you know
00:51:34 ◼ ► like everyone yeah people and tiger mascot exactly they were trying it razorback mascots yes they had
00:51:41 ◼ ► phones too big huge furry fluffy phones suey pig your phone's too big too big and i found it to be
00:51:58 ◼ ► in a way that we all carry this thing around with us it actually kind of comes to the crossbody
00:52:04 ◼ ► straps in a way it's like we just all have these things with us and we have to put them somewhere
00:52:09 ◼ ► and they don't always fit like i saw a guy he had like i don't know a pack of gum in his pocket
00:52:15 ◼ ► like a plastic pack of gum or it might be something else people choose stuff i don't know what it is
00:52:19 ◼ ► i heard zins i don't know what this means oh yeah those are like nicotine pouches so he had some of
00:52:26 ◼ ► those in a pocket that he then tried to put his like big iphone into and he did it but he's it
00:52:31 ◼ ► looked ridiculous and like you know i just bought some new chinos and they've already got the mark on
00:52:35 ◼ ► them from my iphone yeah you know it's like this is silly what we're doing here so trying to make these
00:52:42 ◼ ► things better less obtrusive less obtrusive or fit better in is good how we live our lives now the the
00:52:50 ◼ ► other side of this though is i think that the air a little bigger than i want screen size
00:52:55 ◼ ► wise it's something that i forgot about that it's actually it's not i don't think it's the plus size
00:53:02 ◼ ► but it's like a little bit in between if i'm just doing this off my dome i could check this in a second
00:53:05 ◼ ► and i will but it is a little bit bigger it does feel nicer to use because it's thinner so like it's
00:53:11 ◼ ► kind of easier to grasp but that is something that i'm kind of getting used to and using this phone
00:53:17 ◼ ► as well but it's beautiful and it's clear to the future i would say that the one camera would be an
00:53:24 ◼ ► issue for me i think so you kind of can't really take pictures of anything close i was wondering if
00:53:31 ◼ ► they were gonna because of the ultra wide you have the macro thing that it does which i don't like but
00:53:36 ◼ ► it can get you a picture of something if it's close you want to take a picture of a label or something
00:53:41 ◼ ► it just doesn't work with this phone you have to move it far enough away or maybe take it from far
00:53:46 ◼ ► away and do the 2x crop so you can get something close like there's kind of no way around it this is
00:53:52 ◼ ► one of those things that it's just physics is the problem the sensor won't allow you could think of it
00:53:56 ◼ ► almost as a 1.0 phone again right it's like it's like when we had the original iphone yeah and those
00:54:02 ◼ ► early iphones with one camera it's kind of like that again it is where they're hitting a reset button
00:54:07 ◼ ► because over time you can see if this is a direction they go there will be more and more
00:54:11 ◼ ► technology that'll be miniature miniaturized and put in the plateau and that includes cameras but
00:54:19 ◼ ► they're not they're not there this is uh this is the cutting edge first gen for all that implies you
00:54:25 ◼ ► get to be the first one to have a product like this ever but it's also the first one of these and so
00:54:32 ◼ ► it's got a lot of issues so i have the light blue one or sky blue whatever they're calling it and uh
00:54:40 ◼ ► brad was was the pan addict brad he was with us great to see brad he was uh saying to me he's like
00:54:47 ◼ ► oh i sort of federico got the blue one but i like yours the white one and i was like well no federico
00:54:53 ◼ ► got a black one and i got a blue one he's like no you did not i was like yes i did that is blue
00:54:59 ◼ ► that's blue that is blue okay it's not blue it's not it's nice though i like it it's white with a
00:55:06 ◼ ► blue undertone i like the color it's pleasant yeah but it it is to call it blue is quite a thing to say
00:55:22 ◼ ► i didn't think it would but it does so what the bumper case does is if you hold the phone
00:55:30 ◼ ► like just the phone oh it's super thin yes but when you hold the phone how a regular person would
00:55:37 ◼ ► hold a phone to actually use it well now it's just a thick again yeah it's thick again they thickened it
00:55:43 ◼ ► yeah because it's about the bumper case sides feel to me i haven't done measurements but
00:55:47 ◼ ► feels basically as thick as a regular iphone right so when you're holding the phone it's still light
00:55:53 ◼ ► but you're not benefiting from the thinness i do feel it's maybe a controversial take probably not but
00:56:01 ◼ ► it's my take do not buy this iphone put it in a case you've wasted your money if you are not willing
00:56:07 ◼ ► to use this without a case don't buy it right because you should get a phone that has a battery and
00:56:11 ◼ ► proper cameras and all the other things the reason you use this phone is to make it light
00:56:16 ◼ ► putting this phone in a case just ruins just ruins what's good about this phone interesting that's a
00:56:20 ◼ ► that might be controversial but that's a great take that's a great review take that's there it is the
00:56:25 ◼ ► hurley take and that is a take for someone who doesn't use cases right so like i'm i'm willing to i'm
00:56:30 ◼ ► willing to die on this hill right well you're you're i mean if you are not in a case you will die on
00:56:35 ◼ ► that hill if you had a case you might have survived no i i think i think you make a logical point which
00:56:40 ◼ ► is the only there are so many concessions you have to make to buy this phone in order to get a feature
00:56:48 ◼ ► that if you then wrap it in a case you have lost yeah and it doesn't matter that apple's like we
00:56:53 ◼ ► built a thin case it doesn't matter and like even the bumper case it doesn't matter because it just it
00:56:59 ◼ ► has to protect the sides it's kind of the point of it it has to wrap around it and once it's done that
00:57:03 ◼ ► you've lost it you've lost it any case i feel like just any case will always make the phone
00:57:10 ◼ ► thicker and then what is the point because all cases make phones thicker but phones are not usually
00:57:16 ◼ ► about being thin right yes this phone's whole thing is it's thin and she said you give up so much to get
00:57:22 ◼ ► that if you put a case on it you lose that even if it ends up thinner than the phone you used before
00:57:27 ◼ ► i just think you're just not getting what you want i'll give you a counterpoint and this is david
00:57:32 ◼ ► shop in the chat has uh has has suggested this as well which is if you're a the counterpoint is
00:57:38 ◼ ► what if you're a case person and now you've got the thinnest and lightest phone in a case ever i don't
00:57:47 ◼ ► think that i just don't think it does i i get the point yeah but i agree with you at that point
00:57:52 ◼ ► save your money yes more cameras get more battery yes and just have a big phone yes because i i just
00:57:58 ◼ ► it just doesn't make sense to me it doesn't make this is a phone to be used without a case
00:58:04 ◼ ► it's how it's designed it's how it works well outside of that i don't know why you're doing it
00:58:09 ◼ ► all right i got the crossbody strap yeah to here um i'm a little bit disappointed with the fiddliness of
00:58:19 ◼ ► the attachment system now i knew it was this way when they showed it but i was hoping apple's going to do
00:58:23 ◼ ► something different not the strap itself but what you have to do to your case oh yeah you've got like
00:58:30 ◼ ► little tassels coming off your case yeah thread these like you could fit a fez on there yeah through
00:58:36 ◼ ► the holes which then you attach via a very clever magnets there is so much clever stuff in the strap
00:58:42 ◼ ► itself this thing is full of magnets the entire so you've got magnets that attach to the little tassels
00:58:49 ◼ ► the dangle the dangles yeah then the the strap itself so you know like on backpack straps or any
00:58:57 ◼ ► strap you always have kind of like where it overlaps and you can loosen or tighten based on the overlap
00:59:01 ◼ ► there is magnets all the way through this to keep it closed and the actual system of of lengthening and
00:59:09 ◼ ► shortening it is nice now i'm really bad at doing this in all bags i can never work out how to make a
00:59:16 ◼ ► strap shorter or tighter i'm very bad at this i still struggled with this but it was nice it was
00:59:22 ◼ ► easier because of the way they've done it you kind of and there will always be a slack in the cable
00:59:28 ◼ ► until you tighten it to a level so you would move one and then you have to move the other and that would
00:59:33 ◼ ► change the height and change the slack in it but eventually it will always need to be magnetized
00:59:40 ◼ ► closed the two pieces and that kind of in a way helps me understand that you've made an adjustment
00:59:44 ◼ ► no not just because my inclination is to just keep making adjustments until i end up in the same spot
00:59:49 ◼ ► again because i don't know what i'm doing so there's a lot going on in here but to attach it to the case
00:59:55 ◼ ► you have to put these little threads through holes and you have to have these little pieces of metal
00:59:59 ◼ ► dangling off the case that feels not good to me because now i would take the strap off and i'm at
01:00:08 ◼ ► home and your your phone is i mean you have to take it out of the case exactly instead of taking the
01:00:14 ◼ ► strap off you should just take the case off and that is fine right because otherwise you end up where
01:00:21 ◼ ► you wear your air which um people watching the video don't worry if you're not just listening to the
01:00:25 ◼ ► audio podcast because we're using it to record so you can't see it yeah but i am watching it right
01:00:30 ◼ ► now and it is ridiculous yes because there's dangly little dangly bits coming off of it so what you
01:00:37 ◼ ► would do and and if it is for the air specifically if it was i'm recommending you would do this to use
01:00:42 ◼ ► it outside and then when you get home take it out and use it yeah properly pop it off as it should be
01:00:47 ◼ ► used and maybe and maybe people that want to do this with any phone you end up with two cases you have
01:00:52 ◼ ► your your lanyard like crossbody case and your regular case but that also feels silly and all
01:00:58 ◼ ► crossbody straps have some attachment mechanism i think some are better than others they always have
01:01:04 ◼ ► some kind of there's always something dangling off something if you want to take it off the the strap
01:01:09 ◼ ► i had just hoped apple would have a better system than this one because the amount of effort that's
01:01:17 ◼ ► gone into magnetizing this i was maybe hoping for some kind of magnet lock system kind of like how
01:01:23 ◼ ► you attach the battery to the vision pro right like push in and lock that would serve and it may you know
01:01:31 ◼ ► maybe you'd have some divots in the back of your case because of that but i think that would be a better
01:01:35 ◼ ► system than this one i just don't think it leaves your iphone in normal situations looking very good
01:01:44 ◼ ► no it it's got little dangly bits and you wouldn't take the dangly bits off either because you kind
01:01:49 ◼ ► of have to re-thread them so i i think that the execution of the the strap itself is very very very
01:01:56 ◼ ► good but the attachment mechanism leaves something to be desired i think um i did also see i think we
01:02:04 ◼ ► both saw it the beats case you seen the beats case that has a little integrated kickstand that is genius
01:02:09 ◼ ► design it has a little pod that hangs off the case you open it up and then you can put your
01:02:15 ◼ ► phone on a little little kickstand and watch a video on it or whatever i just thought that was really
01:02:19 ◼ ► cool we'll have more to say on these iphones for sure you're getting an air 2 right yes no so
01:02:26 ◼ ► over the next week weeks we'll have more to say on them these are basically just first impressions
01:02:31 ◼ ► and mostly my first impressions but you also but you did get airpods 3 yes it was pro 3 pro 3
01:02:37 ◼ ► what has your been your experience with those so far um it's so the noise cancelling seems great
01:02:45 ◼ ► although one of the reasons that i bought them is i'm going to take a flight so we'll both have that
01:02:50 ◼ ► experience i was surprised i usually am pretty um pretty default with the airpods pro i think i have a
01:03:00 ◼ ► i think i maybe go down to a smaller size with the ear tips it was weird i put them in my ears and my
01:03:08 ◼ ► right ear didn't feel comfortable yep but my left ear did which is very weird for me because i'm usually
01:03:15 ◼ ► always in the same size yep so i went down a size and it still felt a little weird but it felt better so i
01:03:23 ◼ ► went down another size yes and then it felt better but i could also hear the sound getting in
01:03:32 ◼ ► from the noise cancelling i could hear i could hear a little more sound i think it was leaking a little
01:03:37 ◼ ► bit yeah um so i don't know i've got to spend some time with it i really got to mix and match
01:03:42 ◼ ► but i'm not so i was surprised that the fit felt very different yes and i don't think it felt better
01:03:56 ◼ ► on airpods pro 3 right now i mean i might get used to them but my my initial thought was not oh
01:04:02 ◼ ► yeah this is the stuff it was more like oh this is kind of not pleasant case is bigger and i don't like
01:04:08 ◼ ► that so everything's getting bigger yeah with less battery i think case is bigger with less battery i
01:04:14 ◼ ► don't get that and i'm not happy about that i also went down i went down one size and i and i expect i'll
01:04:23 ◼ ► get used to it too but the feeling of putting these in my ears is not pleasant no it's painful it's like
01:04:29 ◼ ► i'm shoving them in yes whereas with my old ones i felt like they just went in they just popped right
01:04:34 ◼ ► in these are like you're inserting them in your and this is the foam this yeah i have used airpods
01:04:40 ◼ ► pro foam tips and this is what they feel like yeah and i i am so i've only tried the noise
01:04:47 ◼ ► cancellation in my hotel room i think it might be too strong interesting well my taste see what you
01:04:53 ◼ ► think on a plane exactly that's that's the real and also then just getting used to it but i'm keen to
01:04:58 ◼ ► see how they are and as you say it might just be you get used to this because sure this is not a
01:05:04 ◼ ► complaint that i've heard from anyone that has had them for multiple days but i i've used airpods pro 2
01:05:11 ◼ ► for a long time same and i use in-ear monitors all the time and so i've gotten used to some different
01:05:17 ◼ ► kinds of feels this is not those feels this there's something different here and i may also get used to it
01:05:25 ◼ ► you only get it's like from a commercial you only get a first chance you only get one chance to make
01:05:34 ◼ ► a first impression right you only get a first chance to make one impression to make a first impression
01:05:38 ◼ ► uh and so i try to honor that right because you never get that chance again yeah so i'm going to
01:05:49 ◼ ► honor my initial response to putting the airpods pro 3 in even if i decide that it's a thing that i got
01:05:55 ◼ ► used to over time i think it's an interesting data point that i put them in and i thought i am exactly
01:06:01 ◼ ► in the same boat as you my first impression with these was well this feels like a mistake yeah like
01:06:05 ◼ ► because first it just was very uncomfortable yeah and then i went down a size and it was
01:06:11 ◼ ► possible and so i i was wearing them last night i fell asleep with them in and that was i haven't got
01:06:20 ◼ ► any pain and they're not painful they are just not comfortable to put in on the first time yeah and
01:06:26 ◼ ► maybe over time the tips conform more to my ear shape maybe i don't know i don't know or i just get
01:06:32 ◼ ► used to it i don't know all i know is i do i don't i did not enjoy it as much as i enjoyed my
01:06:40 ◼ ► previous airpods in my ears yeah and you say it may be that you're like oh you know what these are
01:06:44 ◼ ► better in absolutely every way i haven't had that kind of experience yet well i'm looking forward to
01:06:50 ◼ ► doing some a b testing on the flights and all that and i had zero fit problems before yeah
01:06:56 ◼ ► comfortability problems which i know some people did and this would solve that because these things
01:06:59 ◼ ► aren't going to come out i found it deeply weird that one of my ears with the default size felt fine
01:07:05 ◼ ► and the other didn't that's that's never happened with airpods pro one i used to wear mismatched
01:07:12 ◼ ► the airpods pro two i didn't but i used to wear one medium one small i don't know man so interesting
01:07:20 ◼ ► it's going to be i agree it's going to be interesting to see how a fair it is over time
01:07:28 ◼ ► i don't remember what it felt like to put them in my ear because i've always been pretty adverse to
01:07:35 ◼ ► that before yeah well and i've been using an ear in ear headphones so long and i don't like that that
01:07:39 ◼ ► it's never the style of earphone that goes in actually in the ear not on the ear you know like
01:07:45 ◼ ► just like the the regular ear pods yeah i i i've never i'd never been a fan of that but i tried it
01:07:51 ◼ ► and and i was like you know what i'm willing to to like this i i don't remember i know my first
01:07:55 ◼ ► impression exists on the internet i think zoe is pointing at discord some the pug go to the podcast
01:08:01 ◼ ► archives yes that's right it's out there but i and it may have been that i was quicker to dismiss any
01:08:09 ◼ ► issue because i got to experience the noise cancelling and that blew me away because i didn't think i was
01:08:13 ◼ ► going to like it because i previously not liked it this is the first time they're using airpods pro
01:08:20 ◼ ► where i'm like oh i'm not sure that this noise cancelling makes me feel very good so yeah i only
01:08:26 ◼ ► use noise cancelling and very it is very strong and i know you've had those issues before where you've
01:08:31 ◼ ► said like it feels a little weird yes like your your head is kind of under pressure in a weird space
01:08:36 ◼ ► um so we'll see i only most of the time i'm using adaptive the adaptive mode which is so great
01:08:46 ◼ ► because it filters out noises that are like you know i live near a freeway so it'll filter out the
01:08:52 ◼ ► hiss of the freeway but if a car is coming by i know exactly where that car is i can hear that
01:08:57 ◼ ► that's brilliant it is rare that i'm in full noise cancelling and it's like on an airplane
01:09:04 ◼ ► or if i'm you know in the working in the backyard and the neighbor is you know using a circular saw
01:09:12 ◼ ► to cut pavers for their backyard which has been happening for many weeks now um those are the kinds
01:09:19 ◼ ► of times that i'll use that so that'll be part of the test i guess yeah it's living with them i use it
01:09:24 ◼ ► quite a bit like i use it at home like washing the dishes i'll put i will actually go straight
01:09:29 ◼ ► into noise cancellation yeah i will too stuff like that because i don't want to hear the clank of the
01:09:32 ◼ ► dishes we'll see we'll see here's the thing early days what i know is if i get used to it which i i do
01:09:38 ◼ ► expect i will i can tell it's better like i know it's better sure you know and so like that is
01:09:43 ◼ ► interesting to me that like if and i'm i am very eager as i was saying this to you before i want it to
01:09:52 ◼ ► be good on a plane because i want to get rid of these airpods max i'm done with this pair of
01:09:56 ◼ ► headphones so like on the way here for at moments that were seemingly random my right ear cup would go
01:10:05 ◼ ► it wasn't the microphone because that's a different noise like if you mess with the microphone
01:10:11 ◼ ► it was just just explosion of static in my right ear i hate wearing them right now because i hate the
01:10:19 ◼ ► way all of this sounds what i am hoping to be able to do because i then tried so my long haul flight i
01:10:24 ◼ ► use these and the sound was great noise cancellation is incredible and then on my shorter flight i use
01:10:31 ◼ ► my airpods pro 2 and i had to have the volume of my ipad basically the maximum and on i did not need
01:10:36 ◼ ► to do that with the max what i'm hoping is the airpods pro 3 will get me most of the way there and
01:10:42 ◼ ► then i could just put a regular pair of headphones in my suitcase for recording podcasts and i'll be
01:10:46 ◼ ► happy because i even right now i just don't like how i sound using these with the pulse setup that we
01:10:53 ◼ ► have it just doesn't sound like a regular pair of monitoring headphones like i feel like my ears are
01:10:59 ◼ ► vibrating with bass even though i had them set to the off mode like it's not doing nose cancellation it's
01:11:06 ◼ ► not doing transparency it's just something about wearing these airpods maxed i just it makes me
01:11:11 ◼ ► uncomfortable when i'm talking as you know i'm very sensitive to my own voice like i hear it a lot and
01:11:18 ◼ ► i'm very sensitive to it like i think i mentioned this recently but um so i could talk about it more
01:11:24 ◼ ► in full now so like with the updates that we did for widget smith i made some videos talking about the
01:11:31 ◼ ► features and they're put into the app some of them are loaded into the app so they're quick to watch
01:11:36 ◼ ► you don't have to like stream or download them i gave them to underscore and he compressed them to put
01:11:41 ◼ ► them in the app and i was like can we can we change the settings on my audio because like i don't like
01:11:48 ◼ ► the way that it makes me sound if it's feasible to do without increasing the file size i would love a
01:11:53 ◼ ► higher bit rate audio he's like oh yeah i can do it and it basically changed nothing and he did it for me
01:11:57 ◼ ► i was like great and underscore said i cannot tell the difference between these two files but i can
01:12:02 ◼ ► really tell the sound of my voice when it's over compressed yeah like from from like a lossy
01:12:08 ◼ ► compression but of course i can like i know my voice in a way that regular people don't know their
01:12:15 ◼ ► own voices because i listen to hours and hours of myself when editing so i'm just very like i'm going
01:12:22 ◼ ► way off on a tangent nobody needs right now i realize i apologize and i'm now just going to rip
01:12:26 ◼ ► court straight out uh i'm i'm intrigued to see what my experience of airpods pro is but i agree
01:12:32 ◼ ► with you my first impression has not been a good one yeah i agree so we'll see we'll see
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01:14:22 ◼ ► of relay yeah so during the ad break jason you went up and you took a look at the ipad pro is it
01:14:33 ◼ ► yeehaw buddy uh ming chi quo is reporting that apple is getting ready to launch a macbook pro with a
01:14:40 ◼ ► touchscreen oled display next year so this is these rumors have been going for a while but we've got
01:14:47 ◼ ► mark german wrote a piece that mentioned this and he said ah last week ming chi quo reported what i
01:14:53 ◼ ► reported in 2023 like take a victory lap okay it's fair he did he did break it he did break it
01:15:00 ◼ ► different reporting though yeah right quo is talking about the fact that parts are being lined up yes
01:15:04 ◼ ► right mark knows the internal he was he was talking about the strategy internally and quo is talking
01:15:08 ◼ ► about they're making this he's right but we need both of them i think to kind of really narrow this
01:15:12 ◼ ► stuff down so it is expect there are two pieces of information here so at touchscreen we'll come back
01:15:19 ◼ ► to that in a second sure there are two things that i find intriguing here the expectation is this is
01:15:37 ◼ ► so maybe it's like january february and they just don't revise the macbook pro by the end of the year
01:15:44 ◼ ► right well there were there were reports german said that the the fall launch of the macbook pro
01:15:52 ◼ ► was not going to happen yeah or probably not going to happen and it would become early next year yes
01:15:57 ◼ ► um which is really interesting because that would say that that the oled touchscreen macbook pro is
01:16:05 ◼ ► imminent essentially it will come early next year it's the next one as an m5 when i had thought
01:16:11 ◼ ► we might have another year before this it feels like this is the thing that you would do
01:16:19 ◼ ► with the next one which is like the anniversary redesigned macbook pro right that's the expectation
01:16:29 ◼ ► interesting right to be like oh there just there won't be so will we get an m5 and an m6 next year
01:16:40 ◼ ► i mean they've done it before they could do that or they could move it to a different schedule and
01:16:45 ◼ ► have it pop in the you know in the winter or the spring some of this stuff is interesting because
01:16:50 ◼ ► it's like when apple moved to apple silicon it's very much like haha they won't have to be on intel's
01:16:54 ◼ ► timeline anymore but now they're on their own it seems like i think it doesn't always work where
01:16:58 ◼ ► they want it felt more logical to me that they would launch just a speed bumped m5 this fall or early
01:17:03 ◼ ► early next year and then in the fall they would do a completely new macbook pro that would be even
01:17:10 ◼ ► though it would only be nine months later it's okay because it's totally new and that's why they
01:17:16 ◼ ► did it and maybe you don't want to touch screen immediately or something like that but but yep if
01:17:19 ◼ ► we're looking at the reporting as it states right now early 2026 and that would be the m5 macbook pro
01:17:25 ◼ ► and it will have an oled touch screen which i think finally is my response to that i i think
01:17:31 ◼ ► max need touch screens you do not need to be pressing the close button with your finger
01:17:38 ◼ ► right we don't it touch touch it on a on a laptop is not a primary interface it's an additional
01:17:44 ◼ ► interface because people are used to being able to touch stuff now i would like so in front of me
01:17:48 ◼ ► right now as a google doc i would like to my hands are right in front of my laptop just scroll it scroll
01:17:53 ◼ ► it yeah that's what i always i i said this like 10 years ago when jamie had a chromebook that with a
01:17:58 ◼ ► touch screen when i would use that chromebook the one thing i would use the touch screen for essentially
01:18:03 ◼ ► was to scroll and occasionally there'd be like a dialogue and my hand would be close and i just tap it
01:18:09 ◼ ► because i'm used to it because we're all used to touching screens now not the intent is not that
01:18:15 ◼ ► you're going to sit there and intensively be reaching out typing on a digital keyboard on the
01:18:19 ◼ ► it's not that's not what you're doing there that's not again it's like we know what this is like when
01:18:25 ◼ ► i use my ipad because we have ipads with magic keyboards with magic keyboard attached and i still
01:18:29 ◼ ► touch it i just it's just different yes because it it is just a as you say is a secondary medium for
01:18:38 ◼ ► interacting with the display i don't even really think they need to make much change to mac os
01:18:44 ◼ ► like basically at all i agree to begin with this and if people really dig it maybe they do some
01:18:49 ◼ ► bits and bobs but and again i think ipad os is an example of this because there are touch targets
01:18:55 ◼ ► on ipad os now that are too small you tap them and they get bigger so you can tap them again yeah
01:19:00 ◼ ► the closed dialogue stuff right like it's fine and i'm excited about it in this report though he does
01:19:07 ◼ ► reiterate a thing i had forgotten about which is that there is still expected to be a low-cost macbook
01:19:13 ◼ ► this year but it would not have a touchscreen sure touchscreen would come to that in 2027 he says
01:19:18 ◼ ► i think that i think once there is a mac with a touchscreen that will roll out quickly to all of
01:19:25 ◼ ► them or certain or all laptops certainly that's that's what i mean yeah yeah no touch screen on a
01:19:29 ◼ ► mac mini or not well on iMac and you just touch the top of the mac mini and it becomes a trackpad
01:19:34 ◼ ► but you touch it but you don't see it because it doesn't have a screen but there is a touchscreen
01:19:38 ◼ ► panel in there but it affects things on your screen but you just have to work that one out it's just a
01:19:42 ◼ ► trackpad you got to be detached from that your mac mini is i think that we would in if we got this in
01:19:48 ◼ ► 2026 my bet would be by the end of 2026 there is a macbook over touchscreen i would assume so and
01:19:55 ◼ ► it just won't be an oled won't be oled but it'll be a touchscreen yeah i think what i think that will
01:19:59 ◼ ► come very quickly i think you're probably right the low cost i mean that's wild if if we're getting
01:20:05 ◼ ► maybe it's just because we've been so focused on all these iphones for so long yeah the idea that that
01:20:11 ◼ ► low cost mac laptop might be next month yeah it's pretty wild along with some ipads and some other
01:20:18 ◼ ► stuff like that yeah there was a an article i think mac room has had it um about like here are
01:20:24 ◼ ► the things that apple expected to do and i think it was reporting from mark german we spoken about it
01:20:28 ◼ ► in the past right like his list of stuff sure there's still like a lot of stuff like we didn't get an apple
01:20:32 ◼ ► tv update that didn't happen yeah right there's like yeah any of the home home products yeah and there
01:20:37 ◼ ► doesn't need to be an event you know per se they can just do this whenever but there's a lot of
01:20:42 ◼ ► stuff week of press releases that they do exactly they could do that yeah but yeah that is
01:20:47 ◼ ► still on track for this year and again i just completely forgotten about it is it because
01:20:52 ◼ ► we're focused on other things yeah uh we've spoken about the iphone 17 line obviously a lot in this
01:20:57 ◼ ► episode uh early reports are indicating that it is performing well sales-wise ming chi quo has said
01:21:04 ◼ ► that the iphone 17 line is selling better than the iphone 16 in its beginning approximately 25 percent
01:21:10 ◼ ► higher demand and even though the iphone air does still seem to be in supply like it seems to be the
01:21:17 ◼ ► phone that you can buy which is leading people to say like oh nobody wants it quo has said apple
01:21:22 ◼ ► produced three times the amount of the air than they did the plus so trying to gauge response is not
01:21:31 ◼ ► yeah because you don't you don't know the whole equation when you do that and i think that the iphone
01:21:36 ◼ ► air will be a slow roll product someone you know will buy one and then you will buy one yeah it's not
01:21:43 ◼ ► necessarily it's not necessarily an early adopter first week of sales kind of product it's that you
01:21:49 ◼ ► see it in the store when you're upgrading your phone you're like oh i want this one that one or you see
01:21:53 ◼ ► somebody with it and you say that's really awesome i want that too yeah absolutely it is um i think i
01:21:58 ◼ ► think uh german's report um today as we record this um suggests something like that too that it seems to
01:22:07 ◼ ► be doing well the information reported that the standard iphone 17 model has had a very strong
01:22:14 ◼ ► opening weekend and has exceeded apple's expected demand they have said that output with suppliers has
01:22:20 ◼ ► been increased by 30 percent to meet this demand but what they are suggesting which i don't necessarily
01:22:27 ◼ ► agree with yet like i think it's too early to tell but they're suggest they're suggesting that this
01:22:33 ◼ ► could be an issue for the overall revenue of the iphone if iphone 17 demand is cannibalizing pro demand
01:22:41 ◼ ► my gut would say that wouldn't be the case my gut says the pro is still going to sell as well as the pro
01:22:49 ◼ ► sells but they are going to encourage more people to upgrade now because the iphone 17 is so good
01:22:55 ◼ ► and the story of the iphone 17 has been this is the one to buy because it just has so much as what we
01:23:02 ◼ ► were talking about a couple weeks ago and it is the kind of the overriding sentiment from reviewers so my
01:23:08 ◼ ► my gut feeling on this is that people who have non-pro iphones are being incentivized to upgrade this
01:23:17 ◼ ► year but people who buy pro iphones are not switching away that's my gut yeah i think there's probably some
01:23:24 ◼ ► truth to that because this is an actual um lower end flagship model that loses all of those limitations
01:23:31 ◼ ► so if you're on that track it's a great this is the thing that you lose track of when we when we have the
01:23:36 ◼ ► window of year to year and we have the window of all of these different models is thinking year to year
01:23:41 ◼ ► on the 17 it's an enormous upgrade and it's to features that the pro users have had for years but it is still
01:23:51 ◼ ► huge and if you're kind of on that track you look at it and think oh well that's great let's do that
01:23:56 ◼ ► in a way that if you're thinking in a in a pro mindset you don't necessarily think that way exactly
01:24:01 ◼ ► and maybe i'm wrong i just feel like most people are most likely to stick with the phone that they have
01:24:09 ◼ ► and get the new one i think you're right i think you're right unless they're unless they're tempted
01:24:13 ◼ ► by something like the air right but then they're still good money yeah apple oh apple wins in all
01:24:18 ◼ ► scenarios um mark german is reporting that apple's answers knowledge and information team may be
01:24:26 ◼ ► shipping their own model for world knowledge on the iphone as soon as march next year so this is the
01:24:32 ◼ ► project that you know how they they call you know a series for this chat gpt is for world knowledge
01:24:38 ◼ ► yeah apple has no world knowledge and it was kind of building their own team of crawlers and all that
01:24:43 ◼ ► kind of stuff it seems like now they are targeting for this to be released with the upgrades to siri which
01:24:50 ◼ ► expected to come in march right still feels so far i know way six months away yeah and i don't buy it
01:24:59 ◼ ► yeah i just don't i don't buy it but we'll see um so this would see them already kind of offering
01:25:07 ◼ ► their own competition for the integration that they have with uh with open ai but there's an interesting
01:25:12 ◼ ► wrinkle to this mark german is also two three five days later reported robbie walker who was in charge
01:25:22 ◼ ► of this team after the gian andrea shakeup is leaving apple so it's not known where he's going
01:25:30 ◼ ► yet it's probably matter i don't know i mean maybe or maybe but but i think his position this is the
01:25:37 ◼ ► least surprising news of the year because after what happened to him in all the reporting about how
01:25:44 ◼ ► i mean he really was savaged in the media yeah i mean i'm gonna read the quote again um i i think
01:25:50 ◼ ► there's no way that guy could stay employed at apple i i trust him i i think whether it's them
01:25:56 ◼ ► suggesting he leave or him realizing there's no way he can stay i think after you go through all of
01:26:02 ◼ ► this it's kind of untenable he's kind of i say unfortunately for him he has kind of taken like a
01:26:11 ◼ ► like shrapnel from no he and andrea being moved away he is the symbol of everything that's wrong with
01:26:17 ◼ ► siri yes and i will say confidently unfairly yes because no one person is responsible for all of
01:26:24 ◼ ► the baggage and he is not a high-level executive who usually take the fall for this kind of thing
01:26:29 ◼ ► right so like right john jane and andrea has clearly been moved away and we all think he's on the out
01:26:34 ◼ ► he will probably yeah it is it is atypical that then like a svp or a vp yes also gets caught up in
01:26:43 ◼ ► this yeah but if you're wondering why because robbie walker was quoted as saying the following
01:26:49 ◼ ► in a in an internal meeting about this when when siri was announced as being delayed or the personal
01:26:55 ◼ ► contacts all that kind of stuff we swam hundreds of miles we sit we set a guinness book for world
01:27:02 ◼ ► records for swimming distance but we still didn't swim to hawaii and we were being jumped on not for the
01:27:09 ◼ ► amazing swimming that we did but the fact that we didn't get to the destination we did some amazing
01:27:14 ◼ ► swimming i feel so bad for him because this is just a quote he's trying to like pump up the team and be
01:27:21 ◼ ► like look we did some amazing stuff but we didn't get to where we wanted to go and people don't pay
01:27:25 ◼ ► attention to the amazing stuff that we did because we didn't get to where we want he's not wrong
01:27:29 ◼ ► he's not wrong the way it's phrased is more like but you know we we did some amazing swimming
01:27:34 ◼ ► everybody when in fact the answer is we were given a job and we failed yeah and so the fact that all of
01:27:41 ◼ ► this got out he's kind of had some of this stuff pinned to him yeah and it's it feels untenable to
01:27:47 ◼ ► me yeah and then also being put in charge of this answers knowledge and information team is a demotion
01:27:55 ◼ ► essentially yeah like you've gone from all of siri which should include this to like can you build a
01:28:00 ◼ ► skunk work project to build this again it's how it feels when you read the reporting and so whatever's
01:28:07 ◼ ► happening he won't be there anymore no so the way that that mark has um has reported on is that he has
01:28:15 ◼ ► given his notice to leave essentially so it's not like oh he's been poached by matter maybe he has
01:28:22 ◼ ► maybe he's got a job we don't know but that's not the story yeah this feels like more i i can't be here
01:28:28 ◼ ► anymore and then maybe i will go work somewhere else yeah rather than that i've been poached but
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01:30:44 ◼ ► you experience in their other products what appliance brand would you like to make a mac clone
01:30:51 ◼ ► this is such a weird question i love this question and the reason i included it is because jason i think
01:30:57 ◼ ► i have like for me a perfect answer all right teenage engineering all right makers of very expensive
01:31:14 ◼ ► it would be weird it would be real weird yeah i have no answer here yeah because i don't
01:31:22 ◼ ► let me put it this way the appliances that i buy are not made by companies that have the same
01:31:31 ◼ ► design aspiration as apple any company that makes hot technology focused hardware does that change
01:31:37 ◼ ► anything sony could do a cool job i think powerbook 100 there's that sony that was a sony and what was
01:31:44 ◼ ► that like uh little i mean that's what they were going for it was like super miniaturized because
01:31:50 ◼ ► that was like the sony didn't have a lot of little's in you know yeah i i i don't have an answer here
01:31:55 ◼ ► because i i i struggle to come up with companies that make hardware that make me think oh this is so
01:32:03 ◼ ► so much hardware now is commodity and simplicity bravel yeah i mean yeah that's that's an example but
01:32:13 ◼ ► that'd be weird it would be weird it'd have a bit a bit more so oxo very grippable yeah very grippable
01:32:21 ◼ ► who else have we got i like this i want people to write in with their if you have a company that you
01:32:27 ◼ ► would like to see make a mac write in uh go to uh upgradefeedback.com write in i would like to know
01:32:33 ◼ ► um i think that would be i think that'd be fun i would like to see what people think about that maybe
01:32:42 ◼ ► i've seen some of those where they look like uh very apple design sensibility i guess what i'm
01:32:48 ◼ ► saying is there are not actually that many companies that are the space apple represents
01:33:00 ◼ ► the apple products are at the high end so you're listening to this this this podcast you have chosen
01:33:08 ◼ ► to prioritize that level but it's apple reaches more people than a high-end appliance brand right
01:33:13 ◼ ► and and it's interesting because that's where you have to go you have to go to the high-end like a
01:33:19 ◼ ► watchmaker or or the or those high-end kitchen appliances and all of that and most of that stuff
01:33:25 ◼ ► i don't i don't buy that i i do buy the technology stuff but i'm not buying a whatever a five thousand
01:33:31 ◼ ► dollar dishwasher yep um and below the high end it's just a doggy dog kind of commodity world that
01:33:39 ◼ ► doesn't provide any of the kind of decisions yeah i think that there are some luxury goods brands that
01:33:44 ◼ ► can make something interesting but yes i agree with what you're saying i just picked up my iphone pro
01:33:48 ◼ ► see how it's doing and i had uh six consecutive pop-ups to enter in passwords for email accounts
01:33:53 ◼ ► fun so it's going it's going great it's going well over here great uh logan writes in and says i'm
01:34:00 ◼ ► thinking it's time for a watch upgrade as i'm on a series five but i'm really struggling to decide
01:34:05 ◼ ► between the 11 and the ultra 3 i don't really care about the look but i'm worried that the bulk of
01:34:12 ◼ ► the ultra will be annoying even though i have relatively big wrists but the battery is definitely a big
01:34:17 ◼ ► factor as i wear the watch all day and all night i am not an extreme sports person i'm just for
01:34:24 ◼ ► regular workouts and running so i'm worried that the ultra would be wasted i think the 11 is your
01:34:29 ◼ ► choice here because the 11 has pretty good enough battery and if you charge it every day when you take
01:34:33 ◼ ► a shower or or whatever like you just need to find a little time to charge it and um it's enough and
01:34:39 ◼ ► apple now claims all day you know 24 hour battery life but we'll see about that but i don't think i don't
01:34:46 ◼ ► think you need the battery for what you describe i don't think you need the battery of the ultra i
01:34:50 ◼ ► think you can get through and wear it all day and night and and you just have to find a time to charge
01:34:55 ◼ ► it but for me you know when i when i'm sleeping with the apple watch in the morning i will pop it on the
01:35:00 ◼ ► charger when i wake up and then um you know take a shower and then come back and put it back on and
01:35:05 ◼ ► that's fine i agree that the 11 especially going from a 5 to an 11 you have a great time but what i will
01:35:10 ◼ ► say though for people that are considering this the ultra is not as in as like cumbersome as you
01:35:16 ◼ ► think it is once you're wearing it well yeah you should try it yeah and see what you think
01:35:21 ◼ ► but you can do in the apple store but the 11 is probably the right call i would say it's certainly
01:35:26 ◼ ► the 11 will also solve all of the issues that logan mentions and the fact that you even have the
01:35:31 ◼ ► question about bulkiness then you'll love the 11 because it's super thin yeah amar writes in and says
01:35:37 ◼ ► am i the only one who desperately wants apple to move back to in-person live events these ridiculously
01:35:42 ◼ ► scripted events have completely lost their charm the more i see google meta or even dyson events the
01:35:47 ◼ ► more i feel apple is missing a trick at least one of the two major events of the year should be in
01:35:52 ◼ ► person so sometimes i want this right like i like the in-person events but mr references meta now a
01:36:01 ◼ ► couple of days ago meta had an event where they showed off what is ostensibly an incredibly
01:36:05 ◼ ► impressive piece of technology they have put screens in their ray bands right yeah like displays
01:36:12 ◼ ► essentially and they have this band which you can control the ui and every person that has tried them
01:36:18 ◼ ► journalists content creators are saying like this is really impressive their demo was an abject failure
01:36:26 ◼ ► yeah like time and time again they were trying to do things and they couldn't connect to the wi-fi
01:36:33 ◼ ► it made their product look stupid and it made everybody on stage look stupid and awkward like
01:36:39 ◼ ► there's this one clip of this i don't know who this person was but i've just seen like a kind of a
01:36:43 ◼ ► super cut and they're trying to like make like a recipe and they're using the ai to tell them what to do
01:36:49 ◼ ► and it just would not accept that they were not on step two and the guy looked so uncomfortable
01:36:56 ◼ ► because all he has to do is read the lines he's been told to read and it would not do it like
01:37:03 ◼ ► zuckerberg's like oh the wi-fi it's like no you look stupid like i want live events too but why
01:37:12 ◼ ► would apple do that and look like idiots when something doesn't work which inevitably these
01:37:19 ◼ ► things don't work because like we were talking earlier technology does not always take the path
01:37:23 ◼ ► that you want it to take if it works 99 times out of 100 but your one time is when you're showing
01:37:31 ◼ ► off to the world for the first time you look stupid so why would you do it remember earlier today when
01:37:42 ◼ ► um no live events no live events for apple it's a bad idea um i i i don't think apple cares that
01:37:54 ◼ ► they've lost their charm that's not the point i'll also point out live events were never for
01:37:59 ◼ ► live events as a concept emerged from an era where there were trade shows it continued to exist because
01:38:07 ◼ ► it's it they kind of picked up the magic really because steve jobs was kind of magical at it
01:38:12 ◼ ► they were never for 99.9999 of the audience right it was always for a thousand people or 500 people in
01:38:21 ◼ ► the room apple has proven that they can still invite people to their campus to watch a video and then get
01:38:28 ◼ ► all the benefit of people having hands-on um they have complete control over it it's a commercial just like
01:38:36 ◼ ► it was before i find it so strange when people are like the pre-recorded ones just feel like ads
01:38:40 ◼ ► it's it's always they were all ads they were all ads they're just steve jobs an ad live at you yeah
01:38:46 ◼ ► it was not a live ad read instead of a professional and and the quality is so much higher now i trying to
01:38:51 ◼ ► get at what amara is saying here what i would say is i think gonna keep making takes here mike this is
01:38:59 ◼ ► good i'm gonna keep making takes here i think there's a problem with apple's they call them films right
01:39:09 ◼ ► i would i think that's the problem yes is i think they're so polished and i think that that that kind
01:39:14 ◼ ► of it's not even snarky it's more like smug it's like we're better than you tone that they've got
01:39:21 ◼ ► because they do it not just the tone even in their jokes the production value is so high yeah it's like
01:39:28 ◼ ► hey look what we can it's so it is it is so polished it's almost like they're like people
01:39:37 ◼ ► start to speculate did they touch up the presenters is the background real is everything looped everything
01:39:46 ◼ ► has been dubbed in with a voiceover because it's also just stuff is like there's no way you shot that
01:39:55 ◼ ► massaged to the point so what i would say is i feel like the people who are building these events
01:40:02 ◼ ► or these commercials might want to consider some something else in terms of style i would like
01:40:11 ◼ ► that feels a little little more folksy yeah like let's just chill out a little bit like just let's
01:40:19 ◼ ► just you know i agree it's because it's it's like it's so intense it's like we are gonna make it's
01:40:24 ◼ ► like a friend if a friend of yours who's a filmmaker comes to you and says i'm gonna make the best
01:40:29 ◼ ► commercial ever and it's like yes that like like the the sandwich video people come they're like
01:40:35 ◼ ► it's gonna be great it's gonna be great it's gonna be the best one we spared no expense we spent all
01:40:39 ◼ ► this money it's gonna be the most intense 60 seconds you've ever seen my response is gonna
01:40:43 ◼ ► be like whoa chill right like calm down that's too much and i think that is what these apple events are
01:40:50 ◼ ► now so that's my take is i don't think you want a live event and i don't think apple wants to give
01:40:54 ◼ ► you a live event but what they're doing feels like it's too much and that they need to back off that's
01:41:00 ◼ ► what i would say it's just and i don't know what that is it's probably days and days of meetings at
01:41:05 ◼ ► apple to figure out what that tone is but i think what they're doing is i think they've lost their
01:41:10 ◼ ► way in their production and they've got they've gone so far kind of like in the in this direction
01:41:16 ◼ ► that they need to bat they need to do do it differently do it something even we were talking
01:41:28 ◼ ► it's so overdone that it crushes all the funny out of it so like jimmy fallon did a live google event
01:41:37 ◼ ► yeah and most people seem to say it was awful right but i know what they were trying to do there
01:41:44 ◼ ► and i watched some of it and thought some of the stuff he was doing was funny but like people some
01:41:49 ◼ ► people just don't like his humor yeah and it's maybe a mismatch for the content but what i would say
01:41:52 ◼ ► weird but some of it was really funny like he kept shouting tense to g5 whenever they said now
01:41:57 ◼ ► i think that's very funny like whenever they said it he would shout it and i thought that was hilarious
01:42:02 ◼ ► so my point is when apple does that what do they do they're like we've got a bunch of uh recognizable
01:42:07 ◼ ► actors to do a comedy sketch about mother nature coming to apple uh that ultimately is this really
01:42:14 ◼ ► kind of like puffing up apple as being great and like that was their attempt at a comedy bit
01:42:19 ◼ ► it was not funny um i hated that i remember i i felt like i was a bit contrarian there i hated that
01:42:25 ◼ ► i felt it was a and here's the here's the core of it i felt it was an effective bit of marketing
01:42:29 ◼ ► but it was also like death for comedy and and like this is what i'm saying is that's not right i'm not
01:42:38 ◼ ► saying do jimmy fallon i'm saying that's not there's something going on that i don't like about how
01:42:44 ◼ ► processed the videos are um but i don't think the solution is to do a live event because it's still a
01:42:50 ◼ ► commercial except now the sound is bad and they lose all control and you know honestly the truth is
01:42:57 ◼ ► going to come out in the demos and the reviews not in the onstage demo anyway they're like it's just not
01:43:04 ◼ ► it's that's i hear what um amara is saying but i don't think what you think you want is what you
01:43:12 ◼ ► want what you want is something that isn't here anymore the steve jobs steve jobs yeah i i could
01:43:17 ◼ ► argue that the live event essentially was always why i said this earlier but like there was macworld
01:43:23 ◼ ► expo yeah and steve jobs would go there and do things everything that's happened since then up until
01:43:28 ◼ ► covid was trying to recapture the magic of steve jobs at macworld expo there is absolutely zero
01:43:36 ◼ ► they're gone that the ceo of a technology company should ever go on stage to show off their product
01:43:40 ◼ ► there is no no nothing naturally occurs that makes that all just in the wake of steve jobs yes and
01:43:47 ◼ ► everybody wanted to do what he was doing yeah so it just became the culture yeah of what companies did
01:43:53 ◼ ► and it was effective to a point yeah but i think if you were to think about it today you would make
01:43:58 ◼ ► very different decisions because even apple has because tim cook they tried it they stopped doing
01:44:06 ◼ ► it yeah like he took that mantle for a while and was doing a lot of the talking and then over time
01:44:12 ◼ ► they were like tim should only do the intros yeah because he is he's just not the salesperson exactly
01:44:19 ◼ ► and over time they have found the salespeople and i could imagine a different ceo like our friend john
01:44:25 ◼ ► turnus would maybe do it differently let me right let me throw this out there too i think we're blowing
01:44:32 ◼ ► things up here yeah i love it i think big multi-product launch events are generally a mistake i know that you
01:44:42 ◼ ► can get a bunch of people together and you can do it all at once but not only does it swamp so like we're
01:44:48 ◼ ► talking about iphone iphone iphone iphone oh yeah apple watch airpods yeah not only does it swamp those
01:44:53 ◼ ► other products and the people who are writing reviews and who are covering them and talking about them
01:44:58 ◼ ► are like i would love to spend the next two weeks thinking about airpods but i also have to think
01:45:03 ◼ ► about apple watch and iphone i don't know and i know the eyes of the world are on the iphone event and
01:45:10 ◼ ► you can use that and that's a reason to do it yeah but in general we're talking about should they
01:45:15 ◼ ► should they do an october event with a new um mac laptop and an apple tv and all that and my answer is
01:45:22 ◼ ► no like if you want to do a media event in new york or cupertino and invite a bunch of media to do a
01:45:29 ◼ ► pre-brief but we know that during covid you know what they did they put us on webex and they fedex
01:45:34 ◼ ► things to our house and it was fine announcements every month for four months they just kept going
01:45:48 ◼ ► it's a it's an os unveiling it's basically it is a single product event i get it and and the optics of
01:45:55 ◼ ► having developers come to cupertino great and the iphone i understand that you got to make a big deal
01:45:59 ◼ ► about the iphone everything else i say one-offs everything else should be and that lowers the bar
01:46:07 ◼ ► for the video because it's not a a 90 minute death march through a huge spray of products right
01:46:17 ◼ ► it's just hey we got a new mac today here's the details about the new mac maybe we'll see you in
01:46:23 ◼ ► a week or two with something else who knows it's apple we're mysterious and then they're gone apple out
01:46:27 ◼ ► yeah and i think that's better i think that's more effective so i i would say get as far away run as far
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