00:00:11 ◼ ► So, you know, it's only like when I'm playing family games, like I don't really play by myself.
00:00:30 ◼ ► But we were in the middle of a family Minecraft game the other day, and it starts making a terrible sound.
00:00:43 ◼ ► Yeah, it's, you know, it starts making a very, very bad sound seemingly from one of the fans, and the whole laptop starts vibrating like crazy.
00:00:51 ◼ ► So I'm like, okay, probably, you know, maybe a bearing, you know, went bad in the fan or something.
00:00:58 ◼ ► And interestingly, that's got to be the only thing left inside a laptop that conceivably could make noise other than the speaker, because there's no other moving parts in there, right?
00:01:10 ◼ ► And I mean, you know, you could theoretically have like electronic, you know, whines and chirping.
00:01:21 ◼ ► So, and in all fairness, like we've, we've now had in the three members of our family, I think we've had five Razer gaming laptops or four.
00:01:36 ◼ ► They're great for people like me who occasionally play games with their family, but don't play like a lot heavily every day.
00:01:49 ◼ ► But the reality is like, not only is Razer, I think the best PC laptop maker I've found so far, at least for this, for this kind of PC, but also like no laptop could stand up to the amount of stress that a heavy gaming load for, you know, every day for years puts on it.
00:02:24 ◼ ► Which I learned last time this came up and I asked the audience and everyone, including you said it's supposed to be a flat rectangle.
00:02:34 ◼ ► Spicy ravioli, I believe was the phrase that the internet, uh, sent Marco immediately upon him posting a picture of his bulging battery.
00:02:44 ◼ ► Uh, anyway, so I've recognized, you know, this was the early stages of this problem too.
00:02:49 ◼ ► So I take the battery out and I'm looking at the fan and like, I tried, you know, just like blowing some air through the fan.
00:03:14 ◼ ► It was definitely not Razer, but you know, some, some compatible third party part for this like five or six year old laptop.
00:03:19 ◼ ► And do they have to put an authorization on your credit card for $1,500 worth of tools in Pelican cases or no?
00:03:31 ◼ ► And to be fair to that, that repair program that I was just making fun of as people will write in and tell us just to preamp them.
00:03:39 ◼ ► And it's really only the case for the iPads and the phones, but it's still a funny joke.
00:03:42 ◼ ► Well, also like, you know, for Apple, a lot of the repair process of their products involves like, you know, take the entire face off and then go in with 10 little clips.
00:04:14 ◼ ► Um, you know, one little cable connected each one and just some screws and it's fixed and I'm happy.
00:04:19 ◼ ► So I kind of wanted to put, you know, kind of shout out, like, you know, first of all, hey, thanks Razer for, you know, making a pretty good gaming laptop as they go.
00:04:26 ◼ ► They still, you know, again, under heavy use, you want a desktop, but, um, you know, for this, it was nice and serviceable.
00:04:43 ◼ ► Haven't you had, well, I was going to say, haven't you had Mac laptops for more than five years?
00:04:46 ◼ ► Maybe you haven't, but I believe both Casey and I have had Mac laptops for a long time.
00:04:51 ◼ ► I think it's just a bad batch of batteries in that model that you got because to have two laptops in your house have bulging batteries after five years or less sounds like not good.
00:05:01 ◼ ► Like if that was happening to Apple laptops, I don't think we would accept it as the, you know, quality.
00:05:09 ◼ ► Oh yeah, no, that part, you know, that's part's not amazing, but if it was an Apple laptop, I wouldn't have been able to fix it.
00:05:16 ◼ ► And, you know, for, for this to have, and these, the, the ones that had the bulging batteries were not made in the same year, but they were both, you know, Razer 15 inch gaming.
00:05:27 ◼ ► I guess that, that probably means most of Razer's batteries maybe would have this problem after some amount of time.
00:05:33 ◼ ► But, uh, I'm not happy that it had the problem, but I'm happy that it was very easy to fix.
00:05:39 ◼ ► And, you know, if this was an Apple product, the answer would have just been replace it.
00:05:44 ◼ ► Or you could have done the, like, it is possible to, you know, go to iFixit and look up how to replace the battery, especially now that they're getting, hopefully they'll expand those like little things where you, you send electricity through it and the battery releases from the glue thing and everything.
00:05:55 ◼ ► You know, I forget that that's expanded to laptops, but it is getting easier to do those kinds of repairs, but it's still much harder than the experience you had with the Razer.
00:06:10 ◼ ► And so this is the time of year where we celebrate, or at least recognize, Childhood Cancer Awareness Month.
00:06:21 ◼ ► And it has come to time that it is time for the three of us to do our donations live on air.
00:06:26 ◼ ► So I encourage all of you listening, and I demand the two of you co-hosts, if you'll go to stjude.org slash ATP, S-T-J-U-D-E dot org slash ATP, and you can click the Donate Now button and scroll a little bit to where you click it again.
00:06:42 ◼ ► And now you are presented with some rewards, which I don't believe we talked about last week.
00:06:47 ◼ ► If you donate at least $60, you get Relay Wallpapers and a Mac OS screensaver by a friend of the show, James Thompson.
00:06:53 ◼ ► And if you donate at least $100, you get a sticker pack that has the stickers of the six hosts of the podcast-a-thon, of which yours truly is one of them.
00:07:03 ◼ ► And also some sort of digital bundle that, to be honest, I'm not entirely sure what that is.
00:07:06 ◼ ► So you will hopefully be leveraging Marco Offset, which we'll talk about in a moment, to get at least $160 worth of donations so you can get those perks, and you will then check out.
00:07:17 ◼ ► And for each of us, we will be doing our customary $7,000, and we do that because we really want to show and lead by example that, hey, it is possible for you to spend some serious money on this charity, and we believe in this charity, and we hope that you do too.
00:07:35 ◼ ► I am sure I am screwing something up, because I always do, but I am going to vamp while I do that.
00:08:04 ◼ ► I'm looking at a page right now, and it doesn't look timed out, but I haven't clicked the button yet.
00:08:15 ◼ ► If you sign in, like we should all have accounts on the payment processor that you use.
00:08:19 ◼ ► If you just sign in, it should have like your home address for the delivery of the sticker
00:08:32 ◼ ► All right, while that's thinking, because apparently, I don't know, maybe my credit card is bouncing
00:08:41 ◼ ► So hopefully we will see that if we go back to stjude.org slash ATP, we will hopefully see
00:10:12 ◼ ► And then in this time, I did the $0.03 for the three, you know, Aaron and the two kids.
00:11:09 ◼ ► In April, our nine-year-old was diagnosed with a very rare brain tumor, diffuse leptomeningeal
00:11:17 ◼ ► We have great treatment at the Children's Hospital of Los Angeles, but the research being done at
00:11:28 ◼ ► The research being done at St. Jude's on this type of tumor has led to a better prognosis
00:11:35 ◼ ► We reached out to St. Jude's, and they wisely said there's no reason to bring him here unless,
00:11:41 ◼ ► or to Memphis, that is, unless there's a specific trial to get on, given that we are within 45
00:11:47 ◼ ► What I appreciate about St. Jude is that a number of their published papers are published
00:12:02 ◼ ► Even though I can't make heads or tails about this data, knowing that they openly share so
00:12:17 ◼ ► all come together and achieve St. Jude's goal, which is that no child should die in the dawn
00:12:40 ◼ ► They do, as David noted, share most, if not all, of their research with the medical community.
00:12:49 ◼ ► And all of the treatments that they give when they do actually actively treat a child, they
00:12:55 ◼ ► do this with no concern for the parents as to how they're going to get to Memphis, where
00:13:18 ◼ ► So now is the time of year where we are all probably going to be participating, or many
00:13:27 ◼ ► And if you want to feel less guilty about that, and gosh darn it, you should, you can utilize
00:13:39 ◼ ► You want to buy the new iPhones and stuff that are about to be released next week, or at
00:13:44 ◼ ► So you're going to look at that, and you're going to say, hey, I want that new sexy phone,
00:13:55 ◼ ► Or I need to buy a new phone, because my phone actually is broken or terrible, but I should
00:14:04 ◼ ► I should get the regular iPhone 17 or 26, whatever it's going to be called, or whatever.
00:14:12 ◼ ► We all know that many of you out there, when you buy a new whatever or whatevers next week,
00:14:36 ◼ ► If you have that kind of discretionary money to make these kind of purchases, you can do
00:14:46 ◼ ► A good baseline is if you were able to do this discretionary tech purchase, you take the difference
00:14:54 ◼ ► between the base price, the very cheapest amount you could have spent on the thing that you were
00:15:00 ◼ ► So the price of like the cheapest iPhone without sales tax, without shipping, without Apple care,
00:15:06 ◼ ► And then whatever you paid in total for your entire purchase with all those things included,
00:15:23 ◼ ► That is the minimum donation that I suggest for your St. Jude donation this year or this
00:15:32 ◼ ► So if you, if you spend a thousand dollars and the base price is 800, that's a $200 minimum
00:15:40 ◼ ► So I suggest you do whatever you want after the event next year, buy whatever you want,
00:15:46 ◼ ► get, get the good one, upgrade to the, the air plus max and get the, get the three terabyte
00:15:52 ◼ ► If you can like get the chest strap with the Hermes leather, get the Apple care three, go
00:16:11 ◼ ► And we'll be doing that on Friday, the 19th of September, which is likely to be the day
00:16:21 ◼ ► And we're encouraging and inviting the relay and ATP communities to continue this incredible
00:16:37 ◼ ► You can also learn about employee matching a hem, particularly if you're someone who works
00:16:45 ◼ ► You can also set up a fundraiser of your own if you want to encourage others to donate.
00:17:12 ◼ ► So if you recall, I think they floated this in iOS, major iOS version or two ago, and then
00:17:20 ◼ ► And so now, by default, when you upgrade to iOS 26, if you look at Safari, your toolbar
00:17:31 ◼ ► And the way that works is there's a back button on the left, a little itty-bitty, at least
00:17:37 ◼ ► on my phone, a little itty-bitty URL bar in the middle that also has reload and extension
00:18:03 ◼ ► Then somebody pointed out, and I think Marco might have brought up in the show, that what
00:18:06 ◼ ► you can do is, if you aim just so, you can drag the URL bar up and get to all your tabs.
00:18:17 ◼ ► So what I've decided is, I'm going to go back to the bottom toolbar, which you get to by going
00:18:27 ◼ ► And then if you scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, there is a section called tabs, and
00:18:31 ◼ ► you can choose compact, bottom, or top, which is like the OG version of the Safari tabs.
00:18:38 ◼ ► And I just wanted to call that to your attention, because that is something that you'll probably
00:18:45 ◼ ► I also, I did try the compact one, like, you know, when the betas first came out, I tried
00:18:50 ◼ ► to live with it for, I think, a week or two, and I just, I hated it so much, because it
00:18:55 ◼ ► was so cumbersome to go between tabs and close tabs and open, like, it was just the most
00:19:04 ◼ ► So I switched to bottom, like, you know, the old style, all the buttons across the bottom,
00:19:14 ◼ ► I'm like, let me just try, because, like, I do try, generally, to try to use my phone in
00:19:22 ◼ ► Like, sometimes it's just easier, like, you know, like, the default state tends to get the
00:19:28 ◼ ► It tends to have the fewest bugs, you know, because that's, like, the path that most Apple
00:19:38 ◼ ► And so, like, I try to keep things on default for general computing happiness much of the
00:19:47 ◼ ► Like, I went back again, and I lasted, I think, a day before I switched back the second time.
00:20:05 ◼ ► And when they first introduced the natural scroll direction, at first I was like, I better
00:20:13 ◼ ► switch, because I'm going to have to get used to this someday, and I don't want to be caught
00:20:32 ◼ ► I switched right back, and I've been happy ever since doing it the old way, and it's been
00:20:53 ◼ ► Like, when they changed Safari from having the address bar at the top to having it at the
00:21:05 ◼ ► Like, I understood, like, and it did take me a long time to get used to it, but I stuck
00:21:30 ◼ ► But like, I'm not for like, oh, you should never change your settings, keep them the way
00:21:50 ◼ ► There's a very common gesture where you swipe up from the bottom of the phone, and it's a
00:21:58 ◼ ► And they added the type to Siri, if you have that enabled, just the double tapping on the
00:22:02 ◼ ► So there's a lot going on in that time, that bottom one centimeter of the phone screen.
00:22:08 ◼ ► And like, it's like, yes, if I ever am forced to use that mode, fine, I will get better at
00:22:14 ◼ ► that gesture and distinguishing everything like, okay, but I'm currently not forced to, so I'm
00:22:20 ◼ ► But I do wonder, like, like, you know, a lot of the liquid glass stuff, like, I feel like
00:22:28 ◼ ► I need to not use things like the accessibility options for things like reduce transparency,
00:22:35 ◼ ► Like, I feel like I shouldn't use those because I make an app and I need my app to, like, look
00:22:44 ◼ ► And so I should use the default way most of the time unless I'm doing accessibility testing.
00:22:48 ◼ ► But man, I think I might change that policy with this release because, like, as I was doing
00:22:56 ◼ ► some of that testing, I was like, oh, actually, the way it looks with increased contrast is
00:23:02 ◼ ► It's, you know, or like, you know, the way it looks with, you know, reduced transparency.
00:23:14 ◼ ► I just, I still can't believe, and I knew it, but I still can't believe you two lunatics
00:23:30 ◼ ► Although now I want to make fun of you for using a mouse with a wheel, but that's either
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00:25:32 ◼ ► Alex Ogilvie writes, if the iPhone is face down, then by default it stops listening for
00:25:46 ◼ ► But this is, first of all, this is only for the phone, so it doesn't help with the watch.
00:25:50 ◼ ► It certainly doesn't help with the Mac because you can't really put those face down, although
00:26:06 ◼ ► It usually overlaps the default wind-down schedule, but sometimes it's worth turning on manually.
00:26:10 ◼ ► The screen won't wake on rays and is less bright if touched, while the dingus won't interrupt.
00:26:14 ◼ ► I will note that depending on your specific indoor other activity, it's possible to trigger
00:26:23 ◼ ► You probably shouldn't, okay, well, I want to stay away from specific advice being given
00:26:31 ◼ ► However, the high heart rate warning is usually tied to a lack of motion, so it shouldn't come
00:27:02 ◼ ► Ryan writes, it's a simple fix for Siri's third wheeling that I've used since the feature
00:27:12 ◼ ► Further, if accidental taps are still a major issue for said listener, Waterlock will fix
00:27:20 ◼ ► But anyway, frenemy of the show, D. Griffin Jones, writes, for silencing Siri at inopportune
00:27:25 ◼ ► moments, I wrote an article aptly titled, How to Stop Siri from Randomly Activating All
00:27:32 ◼ ► On the Apple Watch, you not only need to disable Siri and Hey Siri, but you also need to disable
00:27:37 ◼ ► Raise to Speak, which listens for a potential command anytime the screen is active and doesn't
00:27:43 ◼ ► Also, during intimate aerobics, it's possible the digital crown is being held down accidentally.
00:27:48 ◼ ► You can go to the Watch app and then Siri to disable Raise to Speak, set listen for two
00:28:10 ◼ ► And coming back to D. Griffin Jones, doing this tells the health app that intimate aerobics
00:28:22 ◼ ► So then possibly the perfect topper, this perfect cap to all this, and I think we can put it
00:28:28 ◼ ► to bed after this is Anonymous, who writes, a friend of mine just nearly had adult nap time
00:28:37 ◼ ► Apparently, his five-year-old son decided that an unsupervised phone was a perfect chance
00:28:45 ◼ ► After a notable incident where Siri attempted to initiate a menage a trois, it was decided
00:28:50 ◼ ► that the phones and watches should be exiled to the top of the fridge during parental Olympics.
00:28:54 ◼ ► But as all nerds know, unsupervised electronics are a powerful lure, and his son is definitely
00:29:05 ◼ ► Efforts of gymnastics to reach the top of the fridge, retrieve the phone, and engage in
00:29:12 ◼ ► My buddy and his wife are mortified but elated that the police didn't show up five minutes
00:29:20 ◼ ► Joseph Keeb writes with a suggestion for Ian Anderson's Ask ATP question, which was regarding
00:29:28 ◼ ► Joseph writes, the advisor mentor of a friend of mine who is a business school professor
00:29:32 ◼ ► wrote this book, Productive Tensions by Christopher B. Bingham and Rory M. MacDonald, how every
00:29:43 ◼ ► When I was looking this up to grab the link, I was amused that Jobs got a call out in the
00:29:47 ◼ ► blurb, quote, should leaders aim for Steve Jobs-level genius, shower their projects with
00:29:58 ◼ ► I work or have worked in leadership roles of VC-backed startups, and this is one of the best
00:30:14 ◼ ► It is something that Marco came up with, I want to say, three or four years ago, maybe.
00:30:20 ◼ ► As you all know, I have worked in so many big corporate jobs, and I have managed so many people.
00:30:29 ◼ ► I've been in so many hiring and supervising roles that I'm very familiar with the trappings of
00:30:40 ◼ ► And one of the things that you often get at a big company when somebody is quitting, you might
00:30:47 ◼ ► have an exit interview, and you might say, hey, you know, we just want to know, like, you know,
00:30:55 ◼ ► You know, what, you know, what do you think we can do better for, you know, future, you know,
00:31:20 ◼ ► So, you know, most people are so focused on whatever is the new one coming, that we don't
00:31:26 ◼ ► really talk about, like, hey, like, a few months or years into owning something, like, how was
00:31:34 ◼ ► So, on the eve of the iPhone 16 lineup getting replaced, Casey and I have, John, you don't have
00:32:02 ◼ ► This past weekend, we went back to our neighborhood pool for the final time to do Labor Day, which
00:32:12 ◼ ► And so I spent all day outside on what was not an exceedingly warm day, but it was a sunny
00:32:17 ◼ ► day, and the same thing that has plagued iPhones for the last two or three years, or potentially
00:32:28 ◼ ► And what that is, is if you use your phone in direct sunlight for more than about 30 seconds,
00:32:33 ◼ ► it goes from very bright to slightly bright to I can see it to is it on to, oh, no, it's
00:32:44 ◼ ► And it used to be almost instant that it jumped from, yes, I can see, oh, no, never mind.
00:32:54 ◼ ► But that is my number one far and away gripe with my phone, is that if I try to use it in
00:32:59 ◼ ► the summer outside in direct sunlight, it is nigh impossible to use it for more than just a couple
00:33:07 ◼ ► And I've not personally witnessed this, but my understanding is if the thing gets too hot,
00:33:19 ◼ ► I have a couple other minor things to whine about and then some complimentary things to say.
00:33:23 ◼ ► But Marco, as someone who lives at the beach in the summer, do you also find this to be a problem?
00:33:36 ◼ ► I mean, even like, you know, on walks, you know, if I'm outside in the summertime, if I'm using
00:33:41 ◼ ► my phone, you know, if I'm like, you know, looking stuff up or reading something on the
00:33:47 ◼ ► Certainly, as I'm if I like, you know, take the train in the summer and I have I'm using
00:34:03 ◼ ► thresholds and start and start backing off the screen or not charging past, you know, 75,
00:34:09 ◼ ► And so the point we're like, so all summer, I've you know, whenever I like, you know, take
00:34:31 ◼ ► And so I have like the Peltier fan, which is an absurd way to keep a phone cool because it's
00:34:54 ◼ ► It destroys the laptop battery to be powering both these things, especially that it's, you
00:35:00 ◼ ► know, after like, you know, an hour on the train or something like it takes away like a
00:35:12 ◼ ► If you don't use the cooling fan in that configuration, the phone will keep tethering, but it will not
00:35:29 ◼ ► Like so the screen of the phone is off and it still can't keep itself from being warm if
00:35:48 ◼ ► You know, the the 17 Pro is rumored to have this vapor chamber thing that we talked about
00:35:52 ◼ ► But I don't think that's going to help this particular problem in isolation because what
00:35:59 ◼ ► you what you're doing is like the iPhone 16 Pro is generating a lot of heat and it needs
00:36:14 ◼ ► It just is a possibly a more effective way to move the heat off of the SOC into something
00:36:32 ◼ ► But the way to solve this problem is to have the phone create less heat in the first place,
00:36:37 ◼ ► because if you're just moving the heat to the case more effectively, the 16 Pro is already
00:36:50 ◼ ► Unless you have my ridiculous fan kind of thing, phones don't have active cooling, like there's
00:36:56 ◼ ► So you're just dependent on radiating the heat out, you know, out of the case into the air.
00:37:05 ◼ ► People will stick another case around their phone pretty commonly, and that acts as a giant
00:37:14 ◼ ► So I think the best way to solve this kind of problem is not to increase the cooling system
00:37:35 ◼ ► That is ultimately the solution that we actually need, is lower thermal peaks of these guts in
00:37:53 ◼ ► But I will say that moving the heat is actually a really important part because I'm not sure
00:38:03 ◼ ► Not so much the total amount, but how concentrated it is in some very tiny areas on the SoC.
00:38:09 ◼ ► So merely moving it one centimeter away from where it originated can help the SoC not have
00:38:18 ◼ ► It's the fact that it's all concentrated around this tiny region of the SoC where the GPU is
00:38:23 ◼ ► So moving it, even just a little tiny bit, actually is a huge win for sustained throughput
00:38:33 ◼ ► I would imagine that has to do with the screen itself and nothing to do with like, I don't
00:38:37 ◼ ► think the, first of all, I don't think the vapor chamber thing is supposed to be cooling
00:38:44 ◼ ► I don't know what the deal is with the screen, but for the SoC, I think it's very much like
00:38:51 ◼ ► If you could just disperse that or move it like an inch away, that lets you not have to throttle
00:38:59 ◼ ► Like, it's not, it's not like Apple's the first person to put a vapor chamber cooler on
00:39:08 ◼ ► But Casey had said that the 16 Pro was better than his predecessor phones for the screen
00:39:39 ◼ ► Occasionally I take it out to change tracks or answer a phone call or something like that.
00:39:53 ◼ ► But in the car, my non-fancy car has a phone mount, a MagSafe phone mount clipped to the
00:40:06 ◼ ► My entire car's air conditioner is blasting cold air on the, my phone is cold when I take
00:40:18 ◼ ► But yeah, like I, I, I would imagine advances in further advances in screen technology to
00:40:23 ◼ ► make the screen take less power helping like the whole thing of letting the screen go down
00:40:27 ◼ ► to one Hertz and, uh, having these, uh, the new OLED screen technology, all of that is probably
00:40:31 ◼ ► helping, but I just, I honestly just don't know what it is that's causing the screen to
00:40:36 ◼ ► If it's heat from the screen itself, if it's from the display controller and the SOC, or
00:40:40 ◼ ► it's from something else, I was just total to like Marco was saying total heat inside the
00:40:44 ◼ ► phone because the sun is beating down on the whole thing and there's nowhere it gets like
00:40:54 ◼ ► But it seems like, I mean, I'm not, we'll put it this way, Casey, if we had not had any rumors
00:41:10 ◼ ► Cause we think that at the Apple event, Apple will finally talk about something that might
00:41:30 ◼ ► I would have to imagine so just because the non-pro chip is less powerful, less power hungry.
00:41:40 ◼ ► My, in my experience, they have been cooler than the pro phones that, uh, my wife and I have
00:41:55 ◼ ► The battery life on mine is not stellar, but I have a strong suspicion that that's a software
00:42:01 ◼ ► Like I'm running something or, you know, so there's something backgrounded that's run amok
00:42:10 ◼ ► If that's your suspicion, I I've glanced at it from here and there, and there's nothing
00:42:20 ◼ ► I mean, I feel like if there was something run away, I think we're past the days where things
00:42:25 ◼ ► could be eating your battery and have no visibility whatsoever, except for in rare cases, but who
00:42:37 ◼ ► I like the camera control a lot and I think I'm also stealing what was said on upgrade,
00:42:44 ◼ ► However, almost the only way I use it is as an activation for the camera app and as a shutter.
00:42:58 ◼ ► But the amount of times I've done that like press and slide dance, I thought I was going
00:43:26 ◼ ► I have the action button set to flashlight because I'm old and it's incredibly convenient.
00:43:31 ◼ ► And now that I have the camera control button for the camera, I don't need to use the action
00:43:44 ◼ ► Additionally, accepting the time when this fell out of my pocket from the, from waist height
00:44:21 ◼ ► I'm not sure if that's going to be better or worse, but I really, really enjoy this phone
00:44:29 ◼ ► Um, you know, so similar, you know, we, we talked about the heat and I, I am far less optimistic
00:44:36 ◼ ► than John about whether the vapor chamber will solve the problems because I think frankly
00:44:50 ◼ ► Well, one of the problems is the, if like, for example, you're a gamer, you will see that
00:44:58 ◼ ► Like I, like I said, I don't think the vapor chamber is going to help with the screen because
00:45:02 ◼ ► It's probably just heat soak with the whole phone, but that, that is my, even though you
00:45:27 ◼ ► So anyway, and I think, I think it's just overall, like when you see the screen dimming and regular
00:45:32 ◼ ► use out in the summertime, I think that's just, the phone is too hot and it's, it's trying
00:45:37 ◼ ► It's trying, it's trying to rescue its thermal state by doing things like, Hey, let's dim the
00:45:42 ◼ ► Not because the screen can't operate in hot temperatures, but because having the backlight
00:46:18 ◼ ► I do wish the phone was, was, I wouldn't, I wouldn't say thinner, but I do wish the phone
00:46:26 ◼ ► The phones are not as heavy as the, I believe that was at the, the one with the steel band.
00:46:58 ◼ ► Like if I'm going to look stupid wearing shorts, at least my phone can feel good in my pocket.
00:47:09 ◼ ► Well, anyway, I, I, I also pick the, uh, I also sort of rate the quality of my shorts as
00:47:15 ◼ ► how well they stand up to a phone being in one of the front pockets, because some of my
00:47:19 ◼ ► shorts, just like the, the waistband isn't up to the task and it kind of like tugs it down,
00:47:25 ◼ ► And also to Casey's point about dropping his thing out of his pocket, I do want a pocket that
00:47:35 ◼ ► Women's clothing in general is generally not made to have pockets that are useful at all
00:47:42 ◼ ► But, uh, and you, to be fair, you have a more, uh, shorts compatible body type than I do.
00:47:48 ◼ ► Um, when, when you are, when you are yourself, not super long legged, uh, shorts are unflattering
00:48:24 ◼ ► Um, but anyway, what I'm looking for out of the 17 is basically what I didn't get out of
00:48:47 ◼ ► I really don't like the 5X camera, but I am not like, as I waffle about whether I should
00:48:53 ◼ ► get the air, we'll see what happens when, you know, with whatever they announced next week.
00:49:28 ◼ ► Like if, if you even just show them full screen on an iPhone, it's, it's pretty rough and they
00:49:37 ◼ ► Oh, but here's, here's the actual comparison though for the 5X, which is why it exists.
00:49:41 ◼ ► Uh, what it's competing against is the thing that we all see where someone is, their, their
00:49:47 ◼ ► kid is up on stage playing the clarinet and they bring up their phone on the one and only
00:49:54 ◼ ► They pinch to zoom until they do a digital zoom of like 20 X and then they take a picture
00:50:07 ◼ ► I believe it will switch to the 5X camera, but like, that's what the 5X is competing against.
00:50:11 ◼ ► It's competing against purely digital zoom from a way farther away, like zoom distance.
00:50:24 ◼ ► Maybe, probably still, but I just see so many people who, I don't know, they just don't
00:50:29 ◼ ► care about what the pictures look like after the fact, but who just zoom an insane distance
00:50:36 ◼ ► I'm like, you might as well just take a picture of a Monet because that's what you're getting.
00:50:47 ◼ ► And what I mainly like the 5X for, like the functionality, I like just being able to have
00:50:53 ◼ ► that kind of reach of like, if something's really far away and I want to get an okay picture
00:51:03 ◼ ► By being a longer lens, you know, it treats angles and background compression differently,
00:51:42 ◼ ► And so like, you know, what I have to do if I want that is just do a 4X digital zoom basically
00:51:52 ◼ ► So we've heard different rumors about like, you know, maybe doing some kind of, you know,
00:51:58 ◼ ► different combination of focal lengths, maybe having like similar to how right now they have
00:52:16 ◼ ► So I know there's been some rumors that maybe they'll change the wide to like a 3.5 and then
00:52:24 ◼ ► I think that kind of thing would ultimately be better than what we have now with the 1 and
00:52:58 ◼ ► But, you know, we have so many apps now to do things like, you know, we have Obscura, we have
00:53:23 ◼ ► But I am extremely intrigued by this rumored 17 air until they, until the rumors say, oh, but
00:53:34 ◼ ► And I know you were saying this earlier, but I don't know if that's a trade-off I'm willing
00:54:01 ◼ ► Like we, we take it for granted that every year Apple will come out with an iPhone that
00:54:05 ◼ ► And just this thing has performed the job that it needed to as a phone for me, pretty much
00:54:13 ◼ ► And, you know, as someone who is much, a much bigger fan of the Mac, I don't take that for
00:54:26 ◼ ► For the specifics of the 16, I had double-checked this before we came on the show of like the
00:54:42 ◼ ► In the history of the Apple things, because I mean, we said this when it came out and I'll
00:55:09 ◼ ► And the other thing, the other thing that boggles my mind in a good way, basically, is that
00:55:13 ◼ ► they introduced the camera control with a million functions and the OS came pretty quickly
00:55:18 ◼ ► after release of the hardware with a million options that you could remove or disable those
00:55:27 ◼ ► And kind of like Casey, what I came down to after a year of use on the camera control is
00:55:36 ◼ ► But I will say that it is well-sized and positioned to be a better shutter control, essentially,
00:55:52 ◼ ► And I slowly disabled those features as I found that I wasn't using them because I wouldn't
00:55:59 ◼ ► Repeat until it is like the world's most expensive single digital button press button that
00:56:05 ◼ ► I use to launch the camera app and to activate the shutter occasionally on the camera app,
00:56:21 ◼ ► How many people are using the half press versus how many people are just mashing on that button
00:56:25 ◼ ► So I wonder how long that button will remain as fancy as it is, even though the rumors have
00:56:33 ◼ ► But I want to give Apple kudos for launching a very complicated hardware thing with a million
00:56:38 ◼ ► features that also providing the software to turn off those features individually, which
00:56:42 ◼ ► is so on Apple-like, because normally they introduce something simple and then build on it over years
00:56:48 ◼ ► I generally think it's a failed experiment, except for the most important part, which is,
00:57:10 ◼ ► I'd use it as a shutter occasionally sometimes, especially if I'm like trying to take pictures
00:57:22 ◼ ► the phone basically like between their pinky and their pointer finger where their thumb
00:57:30 ◼ ► But anyway, kids have, just like we have like save for web clause for people who old school
00:57:34 ◼ ► Kids have the ability to point a phone camera at something and press the onscreen shutter
00:57:43 ◼ ► So I very often use the shutter button, especially like when I'm doing like left-handed or something
00:57:57 ◼ ► Like, you know, I finally found a case with the pass-through camera control and leather
00:58:05 ◼ ► I do accidentally press it more than I thought I would, but whatever, whatever they've done
00:58:10 ◼ ► with the accidental presses, the accidental presses basically end up being not harmful to
00:58:15 ◼ ► I'm still taking more inadvertent screenshots than I am taking inadvertent camera shots
00:58:28 ◼ ► So now, as I've said in past shows, I launched the Whole Foods app with it because I live within
00:58:34 ◼ ► And to bring up the little QR code so Amazon can track everything you buy, that's, I use
00:58:50 ◼ ► This is the first phone that I've owned that had this feature because I think my previous
00:58:56 ◼ ► But I, when I got the phone, if you go back and listen to that episode, I put it on 80%
00:59:01 ◼ ► charge limit in like the battery settings, which said don't charge my phone to more than 80%.
00:59:19 ◼ ► I want 100% because I'm going to go to the airport and do all this stuff and I'm not going
00:59:29 ◼ ► Um, and this is the first time at the one year mark that, uh, Apple's iOS battery health
00:59:40 ◼ ► Maximum capacity, 100% cycle count, 204, which is low maybe for a phone that I've owned for
00:59:46 ◼ ► Um, the way I'm able to get away with 80% charge, I don't think most people could get away with
01:00:02 ◼ ► And when I know my phone is not going to be on me, I put it on, put it onto one of the,
01:00:15 ◼ ► The battery is just, it's, it seems to be infinite, but it's mostly because of the way I'm
01:00:20 ◼ ► living, but I will say that, um, treating my battery this way, only ever charging it to
01:00:26 ◼ ► 80% and maintaining the, uh, the battery life is probably going to make this a better hand
01:00:31 ◼ ► Then for example, my wife's phones where she plays Pokemon go and slaughters the battery
01:00:41 ◼ ► She didn't mention by the way, she has her, she has an iPhone 16 non pro for work, but she
01:00:51 ◼ ► So anyway, I, I, I don't think the 16 pro has some amazing battery or anything, but I'm,
01:01:28 ◼ ► I kind of feel like I know for the past two years, I've been, I've been complaining about
01:01:35 ◼ ► And this year they've solved, they're going to solve it in a weird way that I don't really
01:01:40 ◼ ► So I do feel like the 16 pro is kind of the end of the old design of trying to pretend that
01:01:53 ◼ ► And I'm hoping the 18 is a more, I'm not going to say a more radical departure than the
01:02:04 ◼ ► Do you think the kid that gets the phone handed down to them will appreciate at all your battery
01:02:11 ◼ ► I mean, maybe because a lot of times we've handed down phones to the kids, like in the old
01:02:22 ◼ ► battery at the Apple store before we handed it down to them because the battery was just
01:02:46 ◼ ► And also her charging discipline is so terrible that it combines to her phone is constantly
01:03:49 ◼ ► Is that just, I just, it just offends her to have that much crap on the back of it, but
01:03:54 ◼ ► Like when your parents have always had the pro phones and she, I, she just doesn't like
01:04:02 ◼ ► And also that, I mean, she doesn't know this either, but like, obviously the non pro phones
01:04:11 ◼ ► Man, I will rejoice if the pro phones actually get a decent colors this year, which they
01:04:25 ◼ ► they're knowing Apple and knowing like the kind of thing, like I just think there's very
01:04:50 ◼ ► The other pro colors that are rumored are all exactly what you expect them to look like.
01:05:04 ◼ ► No, I, I, I mean, again, if they do, like if they make, if, if it's a good orange, Hey, I would love that.
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01:05:33 ◼ ► You know, if you went to the local mall and went for a 100% Mongolian cashmere sweater there, it would be twice or maybe thrice that amount of money.
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01:06:13 ◼ ► And not only do I like them because they're breathable for the summertime, but I also like the cleverness behind them.
01:06:30 ◼ ► I don't need an unseemly belt or anything like that, but I can tie them in as much as I need, and I can do that on the inside.
01:07:18 ◼ ► Again, this is the type of thing that's not going to leak because, or probably not going to leak because, you know, it's easy to keep under wraps until the last minute.
01:07:27 ◼ ► I think we've all just been assuming it's going to be 17, but I wouldn't be offended if it was 26.
01:07:32 ◼ ► It just doesn't, I think the odds are slightly in favor of being 17, but I don't care either way.
01:07:53 ◼ ► That helps a lot with, you know, all of our, like, if available statements in our code.
01:07:59 ◼ ► I think the iPhone branding is, it's so, it's so much bigger than all of these other terms for everything else they do in terms of, like, the public impact, what people think of it, how much it matters, like, how familiar people are with the numbering scheme.
01:08:22 ◼ ► So the rumors say that it's going to have an A19 and all of the A19 systems on chip, system on chips, whatever, will be built on the N3P process.
01:08:37 ◼ ► In the list of three nanometer processes from TSMC, N3P was, like, the last one in the list when they first came out with it.
01:08:42 ◼ ► And it was originally described as the one that's, like, for high performance CPUs and stuff.
01:08:47 ◼ ► But basically, it's now, if you look on their website, it says, this is our best three nanometer thing.
01:09:09 ◼ ► It will allegedly, on at least the iPhone 17, we're not sure about the pros, will have the C1 cellular modem or an equivalent thereof.
01:09:32 ◼ ► Yeah, that's the interesting thing about the rumor, that it will have 120 hertz, and basically people are saying, like, it will have the exact same screen as the 16 Pro, or, like, the same type of screen, or the equivalent performance screen.
01:09:45 ◼ ► Not because the screen can't do it, but maybe just as a differentiator or as a simplification of the display driver or whatever.
01:09:59 ◼ ► I put question marks after the ones, not that the ones that don't have question marks aren't questioned, because we won't know for sure until next week, right?
01:10:07 ◼ ► But the ones I put question marks after are even more questionable, let's put it that way.
01:10:17 ◼ ► So I think, you know, 12 gigs of rang C1, ProMotion A19, that's a pretty good bet for the non-pro phone.
01:10:25 ◼ ► It will be interesting to see, like, you know, so there's this rumor that they're going to split up the iPhone releases in the future wave.
01:10:34 ◼ ► So that, basically, the rumor is that this year they're all coming out, like, you know, the 17, 17 Pro, 17 Air, they're all coming out at the same time.
01:10:44 ◼ ► But the rumor is that for the 18 series, you know, next year, that only the Pro and Air will come out in the fall.
01:11:02 ◼ ► And so, therefore, if that is true, the 17 as the, like, base model regular series phone has to actually last a year and a half this time, not just one year.
01:11:17 ◼ ► Like, that's, you know, they could have left it at 8 because the 8 is, quote-unquote, enough for Apple intelligence.
01:11:22 ◼ ► But, like, A19 on N3P and the C1 cell modem and ProMotion, like, if you had to pick one, like, non-pro phone to last a year and a half, this is a pretty good one.
01:11:32 ◼ ► Apparently, in the new Google Pixel phones, they talked about this, that, like, they bumped up the RAM in the new Pixel phones specifically so they can keep the on-device LLMs in memory, which makes them respond a lot faster.
01:11:46 ◼ ► Obviously, like, if you don't have to, like, load in these multi-gig local models into RAM every time you're using them, if they're already loaded in RAM, then you can, they can respond more quickly to things.
01:11:57 ◼ ► For the iPhones this year to be rumored to go up from 8 gigs to 12 gigs, seemingly across the whole line, that could be for a similar reason.
01:12:08 ◼ ► Like, that could be, like, the local models can be both, you know, bigger to begin with, maybe, but also you can keep more of them loaded in RAM all the time, and therefore, you know, again, you're responding faster when you're using it.
01:12:21 ◼ ► It will actually probably use less total power to invoke the LLM if it's already loaded.
01:12:46 ◼ ► No, more RAM is, like, it's a sweet, we all thank Apple Intelligence for finally giving all of our devices more RAM.
01:12:54 ◼ ► Like, so, you know, you don't want to give it, a device that is this power prioritizing, say, you don't want to give it way more RAM than it needs.
01:13:11 ◼ ► But, you know, certainly if you're going to have a whole bunch of phone features that use large AI models that need to be loaded into RAM to work,
01:13:20 ◼ ► it is probably going to benefit you to have a whole bunch of RAM that you can just keep a lot of them loaded all the time.
01:13:31 ◼ ► The 17 Pro, 17 Pro Max, they will get an A19 Pro with 12 gigs of RAM, again, up from 8.
01:13:37 ◼ ► A Qualcomm cell modem, they will be 8 and 3 quarters millimeters thick, up from 8 and 1 quarter millimeter thick.
01:13:51 ◼ ► Again, these mock-up models that all the YouTubers have had for months are down to the millimeter because they're for a case manufacturer.
01:13:57 ◼ ► So, it's getting a little bit thicker, presumably, for that new case and the battery and all that other stuff.
01:14:16 ◼ ► So, the low-end phone gets a C1, and the rumor is that the high-end phones will continue to get the Qualcomm one, which is fine because that's what our current phones have.
01:14:27 ◼ ► And then there will be an aluminum unibody case and camera bump with a glass insert on the back, and the antenna will be around the camera mesa.
01:14:36 ◼ ► I should have put a question mark on that one because that's still speculation because the mock-ups don't have that.
01:14:44 ◼ ► You know, the little camera lines, the little plastic stripes that are on the edges of the thing, those will still be there.
01:14:49 ◼ ► But also, supposedly, they're going to route an antenna line around the aluminum camera mesa on the back of it without having seen any real phones and only seeing the case mock-ups.
01:15:08 ◼ ► This, ultimately, like this rumored change of using a lot more aluminum in the casing and less glass on the back surface, we talked about it a little bit in past episodes.
01:15:17 ◼ ► I hope this works out the way that I think it will, which should result in just generally, I think it'll look a lot nicer, first of all.
01:15:34 ◼ ► Two, I can think of, well, it has one more upside, which is I think it will be more rigid because it's a unibody, essentially, instead of like a band, a ring, you know what I mean?
01:15:42 ◼ ► So it should be more torsionally rigid by having essentially the whole top of the phone be like, you know, it's carved out of a giant block of aluminum, so, and it connects on the back and all the sides.
01:15:53 ◼ ► But the downside is the supposed easy repairability where you could get in from the front or the back.
01:16:05 ◼ ► But it seems like to get to certain things, like, say, the cameras, you're going to have to go through the screen, which is kind of like the bad old days where you had to do every repair from one direction.
01:16:13 ◼ ► And if you were doing the thing that is closest to that direction, whether it's the front or the back, fine.
01:16:21 ◼ ► But if you look at this aluminum case, you can see it's a giant full-size opening on the screen side and a smaller opening on the back side because the camera may serve as part of the aluminum unibody.
01:16:33 ◼ ► And, yeah, I agree that it should help with weight and definitely with heat distribution.
01:16:44 ◼ ► Yeah, it's harder to break the glass when you hit the top corner because there's no glass there anymore except for the cameras, I guess.
01:16:55 ◼ ► And people who break the back glass and don't get it fixed, this will be more tenable because at least the crack will never extend to the edge because, again, the glass insert area is inset from, like, half a centimeter from all the edges that it's on.
01:17:12 ◼ ► I'm assuming that glass thing is just glued down and you can get in there with, like, one of those little glue removal, like, heat gun things and it will come off with a suction cup or something.
01:17:25 ◼ ► No, the whole thing with the new design that premiered with the iPhone 14 is they made it so you could go in from either side depending on which side is closer to the thing you want to repair.
01:17:34 ◼ ► But this is kind of backsliding a little bit on that because the cameras are closest to the back but you sure as hell can't get to them from the back because that's the solid piece of aluminum around them.
01:18:01 ◼ ► Either way, allegedly that will help thermals, which, as the three of us, particularly Marco and I talked about, would be great.
01:18:13 ◼ ► Yeah, there's a vague rumor about better reflection handling as seen on recent Android phones.
01:18:26 ◼ ► But just for the record, now that I have nanotexture on my new laptop, I don't think I'll ever not get it if it's offered.
01:18:34 ◼ ► Unless it's something – if it's a situation like the iPad Pro where you can get it on the iPad Pro if you get the terabyte model.
01:18:49 ◼ ► When it's reasonably available, I think I will get nanotexture on everything I can get it on now.
01:19:17 ◼ ► So this is that you would actually have a little bit of the lens internally moving about in order to provide varying amounts of zoom.
01:19:29 ◼ ► It's a periscope thing, and the thing that will be moving will be moving like sideways within the phone, and the max just has much more room for stuff to go sideways inside it.
01:19:36 ◼ ► The 48-megapixel, like part of the improvement to the telephoto is the increased number of pixels behind it, but then also it's 8x.
01:19:43 ◼ ► So if you crop in – the idea is, like you said, Marco, like it would be 8x optically on the regular Pro phone, but you could crop in.
01:19:53 ◼ ► No, I think it's 8x, and like you said, the other lens you'd be able to crop in to 5x, unlike the – you said might be like 3.5x or whatever.
01:20:02 ◼ ► The camera stuff is also hard to nail down, but the 8x telephoto is pretty strongly rumored, and this moving element zoom in the max only is definitely a question mark.
01:20:26 ◼ ► The Pro Max already has 256 base, but I believe the rumor is that the plain old Pro will go to 256 base, which, you know, you can't get that much additional storage for $50 extra.
01:20:36 ◼ ► So the Pro will be the bargain of the bunch here, but it's good that the prices don't seem to be moving too much.
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01:23:00 ◼ ► Before it was going to be slim, we called it the Ultra because it was going to be the fancier phone.
01:23:05 ◼ ► And then once the rumor solidified and everyone got those little, you know, 3D printed models or machined models, it was clear that the selling point of this phone would be that it's thin.
01:23:15 ◼ ► So everybody started calling it the Air just because that's the name that makes the most sense doesn't mean it's the name Apple will use.
01:23:54 ◼ ► Especially as they use it for the iPad, where it's really weird because it was not the skinniest iPad.
01:24:12 ◼ ► Wasn't that the first one that shrunk the left and right bezels to be not the same as the top and bottom?
01:24:20 ◼ ► But either way, there's precedent on the iPad for them using the name, whether or not it currently makes sense in the current lineup.
01:24:26 ◼ ► So everyone assumes it's going to be called iPhone Air, but I'm not as confident in this name, simply because it makes too much sense.
01:24:45 ◼ ► I think Air is such an obvious answer, which, to your point, maybe it means it's never going to be the answer.
01:24:53 ◼ ► Yeah, if I had to put money, I'd have to put it on Air, because honestly, I can't think of anything either.
01:25:00 ◼ ► But yeah, I do think we should never underestimate the weirdness of Apple's naming choices.
01:25:12 ◼ ► So anyway, whatever this thing is, the Air or otherwise, it's maybe going to have an A19 Pro.
01:25:29 ◼ ► I think the only choice they don't have is to have a full-fledged, full-speed Pro chip in there because it's too skinny and they can't get the heat out.
01:25:42 ◼ ► I'm starting to believe the Pro with stuff disabled rumor just because they're going to have Pro with stuff that doesn't work.
01:25:48 ◼ ► And they're going to put some of them in the Studio Display 2 later in the year or next year.
01:26:22 ◼ ► The iPhone Air 17 Air will allegedly cost about $950, which is $50 more than the iPhone 16 Plus.
01:26:32 ◼ ► So the Air basically replaces them in the lineup as not really replaces them because it's whatever, but it's yeah.
01:26:52 ◼ ► Like they put these phones in their line that make perfect sense and make the line uniform and even it out and make it.
01:26:58 ◼ ► But then it's just like then they're the entire machinery of Apple's like brand and marketing and value and deal pushes people away from products like the Plus.
01:27:12 ◼ ► Just like, well, but if I'm spending this much anyway, maybe I should just get the Pro Max.
01:27:18 ◼ ► Do you think is the 13 inch iPad Air selling any better than the iPhone Plus has been selling?
01:27:29 ◼ ► Because it's like, what if I would just want a big screen but don't need all the Pro feed?
01:27:33 ◼ ► It's just, it kind of annoys me that they're taking it out of the line because, you know, my old deal of like, not everything has to be your best selling product.
01:27:40 ◼ ► I mean, they're diversifying the iPhone line this year in a different way that they hadn't before with this.
01:27:46 ◼ ► This Air thing is slotting in in a weird way because it's not just a different size or a different power.
01:27:54 ◼ ► But like, part of the reason it has a C1 cell modem is because for power concerns, right?
01:27:58 ◼ ► There's, I didn't put this in here, but there's rumors back and forth about what battery technology they're going to be using.
01:28:06 ◼ ► They're like, well, if they use the same battery technology as the other phones, it's going to suck because the battery is going to be tiny.
01:28:10 ◼ ► But what if it's their first silicon carbon battery and the new technology will make it better?
01:28:17 ◼ ► So we'll see what the battery story is and if they tout any new battery chemistry in the Air or the other iPhones.
01:28:39 ◼ ► But also part of it is you got to have the lowest power stuff in there, which is why the rumor of A19 Pro versus A19 keeps going back and forth.
01:28:54 ◼ ► Like, I don't know that I will end up being happy with that decision over the entire year to come.
01:29:02 ◼ ► And I don't necessarily think that what they are doing here is, you know, killing the plus.
01:29:08 ◼ ► Like, you know, I think it's more like they are taking the plus in a different direction.
01:29:13 ◼ ► Like, this is basically, this is very similar in specs, limits, and pricing, probably, to where the plus sat in the lineup before.
01:29:34 ◼ ► But the Air is like, I want a bigger screen, but oh, but you can't get the Pro Max size screen.
01:29:44 ◼ ► Whereas the plus used to have great battery life because it was real big and it didn't have the Pro SoC in it.
01:30:13 ◼ ► You're just getting one camera and it's probably going to be the regular 1X camera from either the Pro or the non-Pro if they're not the same this year.
01:30:22 ◼ ► Like if they, yeah, because the rumors are that there will be only one camera, which also means no 0.5 ultra wide.
01:30:29 ◼ ► And if we don't have the 0.5 ultra wide with the camera system as we know it, that means no macro, no 3D anything.
01:30:37 ◼ ► Like, you know, no, you know, the Vision Pro 3D videos, like spatial video, like there's, like that would actually be a significant feature limitation to only, to not even have the wide.
01:30:49 ◼ ► It's the sacrifice for the thickness because again, like the space that they save by not having those cameras, they shove more battery up there.
01:31:05 ◼ ► And before, before we move on from the phones, because this is the last one, I have to say that, um, I, even though obviously I'm not against the multi cameras in the back, like my daughter is.
01:31:17 ◼ ► The plane 17, like the plane 16, but even more so is so clearly the best looking phone in the lineup because the back of the air looks weird and awkward with that thing.
01:31:31 ◼ ► Back of the non-pro, it's got two cameras vertically with a, you know, purple and green cases and everything.
01:31:40 ◼ ► If you care about that sort of thing, which I surprisingly, I kind of do not enough for me to get a non-pro because I need the cameras more, but boy, I wish I could have a camera that looked like the 16 or the 17 on the back.
01:31:51 ◼ ► And the air, you think like, oh, the air, isn't the air going to be the looker, but they, you know, it's got one camera, but it's got a full length, uh, pixel style camera Mesa on the back.
01:32:13 ◼ ► Especially with like on the, on the 16 where it had like the, the glass, like the fade of the deep color of the 16 sort of fading up in the camera Mesa.
01:32:22 ◼ ► It's like when you do like a, whatever, I don't know the makeup terms, like the highlighter along the bridge of your nose for makeup and everything to make your nose look smaller.
01:33:05 ◼ ► Um, I know we talked about this just a little while ago on this very episode, but I, I am
01:33:19 ◼ ► I'm not trying to say that it's unreasonable for you to be put off by this, but I, I'm,
01:33:32 ◼ ► Like, cause I go into my attic occasionally and pick up like old, old iPhone six or like
01:33:38 ◼ ► And it really, these, these bricks that we carry around with us, like the, the functionality
01:33:47 ◼ ► But if I could snap my fingers and have something that weighed as much as an old iPod touch,
01:33:54 ◼ ► So, and especially since the phones had been kind of getting heavier as they got bigger again,
01:34:01 ◼ ► And I still think it's the correct trade-offs, but I get where Marco's coming from with the
01:34:12 ◼ ► Cause if your phone doesn't last all day, it doesn't matter how much you enjoy it when,
01:34:38 ◼ ► So we will allegedly be getting AirPods Pro 3, which I have been waiting for for so long,
01:34:53 ◼ ► Look, there's nothing wrong with having multiple pairs of the headphones you use most often.
01:35:25 ◼ ► It's not like the tiny instruction booklet that people just throw away or never look at.
01:35:28 ◼ ► But yeah, there is still a capacitive button that does the same thing as the press-in button,
01:35:35 ◼ ► I mean, in all fairness, no one knows how the button works anyway, even when it's a real button.
01:36:15 ◼ ► Another weird thing is I found, I don't know if this is just my daughter or a trend among kids,
01:36:25 ◼ ► I guess it's just to make them look nicer, like, because they're just boring and white.
01:36:39 ◼ ► So her AirPods case have always been even bigger than they would be because they have, you know,
01:36:45 ◼ ► a thin silicone, cheap silicone case around them with, like, pretty flowers on it or whatever.
01:36:50 ◼ ► So anyway, there's going to be better sound, better noise cancellation, and potentially heart rate monitoring.
01:37:01 ◼ ► Apple Watch Series 11 will have the S11 chip, which will basically be the same as the S10.
01:37:09 ◼ ► Just, like, they would just increase the number but have the SoC be basically unchanged.
01:37:13 ◼ ► Yeah, I believe there were three years in a row where it was the same processor in each Apple Watch.
01:37:17 ◼ ► Yeah, and then they changed it, and now we're back to, like, well, it's going to be the same.
01:37:22 ◼ ► But it's just they don't feel the need to put the pedal to the metal in terms of, like, every year, you know, ramping it up.
01:37:30 ◼ ► I think the only time it's going to change is, like, when they go to 2 nanometer or something.
01:37:34 ◼ ► Maybe that year after they go to 2 nanometer, then the S12 or 13 is the first 2 nanometer one, and they do the change.
01:37:45 ◼ ► We will potentially be getting 5G cellular on the Apple Watch Series 11 and maybe blood pressure monitoring.
01:37:56 ◼ ► All the health stuff is always such a big question mark because there's just so many things that are rumored,
01:38:00 ◼ ► and there's so much about shipping them that has nothing to do with technology and everything to do with, like, regulatory environment
01:38:12 ◼ ► But if it doesn't have something like that, the only new feature would be S11, which, whether people know it or not, is not that big of a change from an S10,
01:38:32 ◼ ► And then sometimes we have, like, predictions of, say, a case redesign or a new strap, you know, straper mechanism or whatever,
01:38:46 ◼ ► Especially for things like these health features, which, even if these were true, the rumors don't even say that this would require different hardware.
01:38:59 ◼ ► Because all these are like, well, we'd use the existing sensors that are already there.
01:39:03 ◼ ► We just figured out some way to use those sensors to get this information in some weird way.
01:39:09 ◼ ► The case rumors and stuff like that, it's like, it's clear that it's just, we'll be able to tell whether that's true or not.
01:39:16 ◼ ► But the health monitoring rumors are so hard because a lot of it is just, like, software that either is or isn't ready to synthesize sensor data to come up with a number.
01:39:34 ◼ ► And which is just a feature that the non-SE watches have had, but the rumor is that the SE will get it this year.
01:39:46 ◼ ► I forget, but I would say see Marco's earlier comments about the rumors of watch hardware.
01:40:02 ◼ ► That's why the S11 is, like, it would be a new Apple Watch SE that, you know, tries to keep up with the other watches.
01:40:17 ◼ ► And it will get some of the previous features that the non-SE watches had, like sleep apnea detection.
01:40:21 ◼ ► And if it's a new size, I don't know why it would be a new size, but who the hell knows?
01:40:25 ◼ ► And what I'm hoping, like, you know, it sounds like this is going to be a pretty boring year for Apple Watch updates, if all these rumors or lack thereof are actually correct.
01:40:40 ◼ ► So what I'm hoping for, you know, the Apple Watch hardware itself, it's not that interesting most of the time.
01:40:48 ◼ ► But they can usually do fun things like, you know, maybe a new case material, like a new kind of metal or a new finish on the case, maybe a new color of metal on the case, maybe some new strap type that, like, oh, now we have the titanium loop combo.
01:41:06 ◼ ► Some kind of, like, other way to have some nice little updates here that don't require necessarily the constant march of exciting hardware, which they don't really tend to deliver.
01:41:17 ◼ ► And, you know, if you can, you know, this is, at the end of the day, it is a computer, but it's also jewelry and fashion.
01:41:24 ◼ ► And so if you can make some excitement there in those other areas, which they usually are pretty good at, then that's a way to make this interesting, you know, in other ways.
01:41:34 ◼ ► The Apple Watch Ultra 3, we don't know squat, except that maybe it'll get satellite connectivity.
01:41:42 ◼ ► I mean, presumably the S11 or whatever, but, like, it'll look the same as the current Apple Watch Ultra.
01:41:49 ◼ ► But the whole idea is that satellite connectivity, and I think what they're saying by that, I didn't put the details in here, but, like, not just the thing where you can SOS or whatever, but where you can actually use it to send data or whatever, which is a feature that is popular on other non-Apple Watches.
01:42:04 ◼ ► And the Apple Watch Ultra is lagging behind its competitors in this area, so maybe it will get satellite connectivity for more than just absolute last resort SOS.
01:42:13 ◼ ► I will say, for whatever it's worth on the fun new strap front, all summer, I changed out my Apple Watch strap for – I forget what it's called, but there's an Ultra version of the Milanese loop that is made of titanium, and it has a latch that keeps it in place.
01:42:35 ◼ ► And I've been wearing this – I don't wear an Ultra, but I've been wearing this on my regular, like, you know, big-sized regular Apple Watch all summer long.
01:42:42 ◼ ► And not only does it look very good, but it has functioned so much better than any other metal Apple Watch strap I've ever had.
01:42:52 ◼ ► Because, you know, you can set the set point clasp – you can unbutton it and set it wherever you want.
01:43:02 ◼ ► So, you know, unlike the link bracelet, which doesn't have any kind of, like, micro-adjustment, you know, you have infinite micro-adjustment on how you're setting it.
01:43:12 ◼ ► So it's not like you have to, like, every morning, like, try to get it right again, like, with the regular Milanese.
01:43:35 ◼ ► I mean, look, I'm no John with my arm hair, but, you know, I'm not that, you know, bald.
01:43:46 ◼ ► Maybe they just change, like you said, like, the way the little – at the microscopic level, the way the little rings or whatever interlink with each other.
01:44:00 ◼ ► And even without an Ultra, as I was saying, like, as long as you have the big-sized watch, because they don't make it in the small size, but as long as you have the big-sized watch, this band works really well.
01:44:11 ◼ ► Then, apparently, we will be getting – and I believe we talked about this a week or two ago – we will be maybe getting tech-woven and or liquid silicone cases.
01:44:33 ◼ ► It's got, like, magnets in the end that connect the little things together, but I don't quite know where the phone part – anyway, I wish they had shown this on a person.
01:44:47 ◼ ► I don't think I've seen one in real life, and I would love to see one, like, sort of mocked up here, but it's just – yeah.
01:44:53 ◼ ► I mean, I guess if this is – I think this is a thing that, like, younger than us people do that we don't understand.
01:45:05 ◼ ► I mean, obviously, it's a big enough trend for Apple – for it to be on Apple's radar, again, if this rumor is to be believed.
01:45:10 ◼ ► Whether or not Apple makes these, other people do make them, and so that's why people think Apple might make one.
01:45:16 ◼ ► What it looks to me like is like a dog leash, but, you know, that's just where my mind goes when I see something like this.
01:45:22 ◼ ► All right, and then I have been instructed to ask you, and I think these are great questions that John put in the show notes, what are we most looking forward to?
01:45:41 ◼ ► And to swallow my answer to the next question that we're going to get to, as I said earlier, getting 17s for my kids.
01:45:50 ◼ ► I don't like the fact that they kind of left the three cameras the same way they were but extended the Mesa across the phone.
01:45:55 ◼ ► Like, I feel like it is not the recognition of the reality of cameras that I was asking for when I said, stop pretending they're in the corner.
01:46:07 ◼ ► I don't like the way it looks on the air when it's got one camera and it's got the Pixel thing that looks just like the Pixel phones.
01:46:17 ◼ ► So I'm glad I'm not getting one, and I'm glad my kids are getting the plain 17 because I think it's the looker of the group.
01:46:30 ◼ ► First of all, this is probably the last phone I'm going to be buying for my son because hopefully someday he will.
01:46:46 ◼ ► And it's, this is going to be my daughter's college phone that she's going to hopefully use for all four years of college.
01:46:52 ◼ ► And it will come with a pretty good processor in the A19 built on TSMC's N3P process, the best three nanometer one after many years of various three nanometer process.
01:47:09 ◼ ► That sounds like a great, I hope it has really good battery life with the A19 on N3P and the C1 cell modem and maybe a ProMotion that doesn't include the always on screen now that she would probably use that anyway.
01:47:21 ◼ ► So I'm actually the most excited about the plain 17 because I feel like it will be like the perfection of this particular form.
01:47:30 ◼ ► Kind of like I feel like the 16 Pro was kind of the perfection of this form before they changed it again.
01:47:35 ◼ ► It looks just like the 16, but it'll be, it should be better in all possible ways with a couple of specs particularly bumped up, particularly the RAM and the cell modem and taking less power and ProMotion.
01:47:47 ◼ ► And also I think it'll become one of the most fun colors and I'm interested to see which colors my kids will pick.
01:47:51 ◼ ► I'm sure my son will pick black or gray or something, but my daughter will pick something fun.
01:48:15 ◼ ► in every way for me, I'm just looking forward to what have they done that, that is different here?
01:48:22 ◼ ► How, like, obviously there's going to be major trade-offs, but maybe, maybe they'll be worth it when you pick the thing up and you're like, oh my God, I have to have this.
01:48:28 ◼ ► Like whenever they've introduced a new form factor of something, there's always trade-offs.
01:48:33 ◼ ► Uh, you know, if, if it's small, the trade-offs usually are, you know, like compute power or battery or features, you know, whatever it is.
01:48:42 ◼ ► You look at like when they first introduced the MacBook air, uh, or the 12 inch MacBook, you know, like these, these came in with, with very big trade-offs, but you would pick the thing up and be like, oh my God, I have to have this.
01:48:55 ◼ ► Almost every trade-off that we've said is probably likely with the iPhone air also applied to the iPod, the iPhone mini, but I use an iPhone mini for a year and loved it.
01:49:12 ◼ ► I missed having the better, the bigger, uh, battery, but I did love it for that year because it was something different and it felt delightful in my hand.
01:49:25 ◼ ► I think it's going to be really nice in, in like physical ways and maybe in the technical specs, it won't be as nice, but that might be a worthy trade-off for a lot of people and, you know, possibly myself included.
01:49:38 ◼ ► So that I'm very much looking forward to because it's something, it's something really new and it looks like they are trying something really extreme with it.
01:49:52 ◼ ► The, the only thing that I think that would kick me up to the pro is if it's a really good orange.
01:50:04 ◼ ► And if for some reason the colors really suck on the air, um, but I, I don't think that will end up being the case.
01:50:14 ◼ ► So like when it came down to choose, what should the air be like, it's kind of between the pro and the non-pro.
01:50:18 ◼ ► It seems like they're leaning more towards the pro, but again, color rumors are the hardest to nail down.
01:50:23 ◼ ► Like I will say, I, you know, like I've seen the, the rumored colors and the air colors did not look interesting, but, um, yeah, we'll see what that, what that orange turns out to be.
01:50:41 ◼ ► Um, I sincerely doubt I will be buying an air, although you bet I'm going to have to go to the Apple store and touch one and fondle one and see what I think.
01:50:50 ◼ ► Um, I suspect I will be getting a iPhone 17 pro or perhaps iPhone 26 pro, but I think it'll be an iPhone 17 pro.
01:51:02 ◼ ► I, I feel like I'll, as much as I enjoy the iPhone 16 pro, we very much are in the, or approaching the one true form of the slab of glass that does things.
01:51:14 ◼ ► And I'm really looking forward to the air to see, like Marco was saying, you know, what are they doing differently this time?
01:51:24 ◼ ► Uh, and, and I'm just excited to see something that looks a bit different, even if I don't necessarily think it fits my needs well.
01:51:30 ◼ ► Um, so that's what I think will happen and, and we'll see how it goes on Tuesday and just sitting, I know we usually cover this at the end of the show, but since we're here now, uh, our intention is to record on the 10th on Wednesday, just as you would expect.
01:51:49 ◼ ► So you will have a bootleg late on, uh, Wednesday, the 10th and a released episode, uh, depending on how late Marco wants to stay up more, more likely than not, uh, sometime on Thursday, the 11th.
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01:53:52 ◼ ► I was wondering if you would be excited about it because it seemed like you kind of appreciated
01:53:57 ◼ ► I know you're a fan of the product, but I was wondering if you would find the screen too
01:54:01 ◼ ► So coincidentally, I actually just like two weeks ago or last week even upgraded to the
01:54:13 ◼ ► And then they announced this like, you know, a few days ago, like they literally announced
01:54:17 ◼ ► the event that they were going to like, you know, have a new, another release at the day
01:54:26 ◼ ► But so what they release or what they release is the Remarkable Paper Pro Move, which has
01:54:42 ◼ ► It's actually like it's skinnier and taller than a lot of E-Ink tablets and or tablets.
01:55:02 ◼ ► And what's interesting is it is it uses the same color E-Ink screen as the big remarkable
01:55:15 ◼ ► Early reviews are out on YouTube from people who had the who had advanced units and they
01:55:22 ◼ ► I don't think it's right for me, although, you know, watch, I'll probably have one in two
01:55:32 ◼ ► However, there's other products in this in the category that I was a little bit interested
01:55:42 ◼ ► There's one from a company that called that makes like AI Note or something like that is
01:55:50 ◼ ► And then there's there's a company called Viwoods that makes that makes a really compelling
01:56:05 ◼ ► And I I did my little YouTube video earlier in the earlier in the year about comparing the
01:56:12 ◼ ► remarkable to to the Supernote Manta, the kind of, you know, the 10 and a half inch class
01:56:20 ◼ ► And the reason I ended up upgrading to their Markable Paper Pro just like last week was
01:56:26 ◼ ► basically because I liked having more screen space and I wanted a backlight and some of
01:56:34 ◼ ► the kind of more modern advances that they had made with the Paper Pro and just in terms
01:56:40 ◼ ► of things like, you know, life, everyday life benefits, things like the dramatically improved
01:56:45 ◼ ► design for the case and how it wraps around the pen and how the pen attaches and what the
01:56:51 ◼ ► pen does, even simple things like on the Pro compared to the 2, the Pro will wake up when
01:56:58 ◼ ► you open the case or it'll wake up when you take the pen off the side, which is really like
01:57:04 ◼ ► there's little quality of life improvements like that, that that makes the Pro really nice of an
01:57:10 ◼ ► upgrade over the over the remarkable 2 because, you know, the 2 is like five years old and the
01:57:17 ◼ ► And so now this new one, the Pro Move, is basically all of the features of the Pro, but tiny and
01:57:33 ◼ ► Like the only time I really take it out is if I'm like, you know, if I'm like meeting with
01:57:40 ◼ ► somebody or I will, I will bring it to therapy so I can like take notes about what I'm talking about
01:57:46 ◼ ► And so it is nice to have something portable, but the reality is like my hands aren't so full
01:57:58 ◼ ► You can put it in your other pocket to balance it out with the shorts so they can pull down evenly.
01:58:09 ◼ ► would fit in a pocket really, maybe like a big winter jacket pocket, but you know, it's
01:58:26 ◼ ► Yeah, but there's, there's a big, a big bezel difference and, and a big aspect ratio difference.
01:58:33 ◼ ► Um, so anyway, it looks really, really good for a very specialized market and I don't think
01:58:44 ◼ ► Uh, whenever I have tried anything else besides the remarkable line to fill this, like, you
01:58:49 ◼ ► know, note taking e-ink tablet kind of thing, I am always incredibly disappointed by the software
01:59:00 ◼ ► Remarkable is incredibly Apple, like in the best way, like they don't necessarily tackle
01:59:26 ◼ ► Whenever I've tried any of the other ones, there have been features that I've liked about the
01:59:30 ◼ ► other ones, but the software is always just full of paper cuts or it's too slow or it, the
01:59:44 ◼ ► Um, but, uh, I don't think I necessarily need this new one, but what I, what I still hope to
01:59:50 ◼ ► eventually be released and what I was hoping this event would be, but it wasn't, I want a remarkable
01:59:56 ◼ ► three, a still black and white screen, 300 DPI, just like the Carta screens that are on most of their
02:00:03 ◼ ► competitors now because they're, they're still like the, the paper pro and their remarkable two are
02:00:18 ◼ ► Like the text looks way sharper on like, like a super note or a Kindle scribe, uh, compared to
02:00:24 ◼ ► Um, so I would love higher resolution, but otherwise, like I would love for them to just bring all of
02:00:31 ◼ ► the little quality of life improvements they've, they've learned over time that are in the pro and
02:00:36 ◼ ► the pro move, bring those to a mid-sized black and white high res tablet. I think that would be
02:00:45 ◼ ► Seems like your dreams of black and white are going to be the ones that are thwarted because if even
02:00:50 ◼ ► this little thing has the, their color system, I feel like any remarkable threes gotta be color,
02:00:55 ◼ ► I mean, that's, that's my fear, but you know, the color screens do bring significant trade-offs.
02:01:00 ◼ ► It dramatically changes how much refreshing they have to do. The refreshes are slower. The only
02:01:07 ◼ ► thing I really don't like about the remarkable pro compared to the two is the undo speed is
02:01:13 ◼ ► significantly slower on the pro versus the two, because the way the color screen has to refresh
02:01:17 ◼ ► to undo, to erase something, it takes longer and it's different. And it's very like undo is
02:01:21 ◼ ► very laggy on the pro screen. Um, whereas on the two it's, it's really not. So yeah, I would love
02:01:26 ◼ ► a future nice black and white black and white with a light would be ideal. Um, and that's why
02:01:33 ◼ ► I tried the Viwoods mini cause the Viwoods mini does offer that. Uh, it just has software that was not
02:01:38 ◼ ► for me like most things, but, uh, overall like, like the Viwoods mini was like a great experience
02:01:45 ◼ ► of like, Oh, I do, I would kind of maybe enjoy something like this, but I want remarkable software.
02:01:50 ◼ ► Anyway, so I love, I love what remarkable does. I am finding increasing uses for the tablet. I'm very
02:01:57 ◼ ► glad I have it. Um, I even briefly, like, of course I thought to myself, I would really love to write
02:02:04 ◼ ► my own note-taking software. Of course, cause it's me. Um, and I'm not going to learn Android. So, you
02:02:10 ◼ ► know, screw that. But I thought like, how bad would it be if I just, you know, use an iPad for this
02:02:16 ◼ ► purpose? Like if I just write an iPad app and just use, and I, and I tried, I tried using an iPad for
02:02:22 ◼ ► like note-taking on my desk to replace the remarkable for a couple of days, a few weeks ago. And it's so
02:02:29 ◼ ► much worse. Like it's, and I'm not, I'm not even talking about like just the feel of the screen, like,
02:02:36 ◼ ► which is incredibly worse. Like it's not, it's not even close. Like the feel of writing with the Apple
02:02:41 ◼ ► pencil on an iPad, even with a paper style screen protector or without like it, no matter how you're
02:02:48 ◼ ► doing it, it's night and day different compared to an eating tablet. Like the eating tablets,
02:02:53 ◼ ► they feel way better. The pens are way better. The draw distance is way smaller. Like it's just
02:02:59 ◼ ► everything about them is better feeling in terms of like actual note-taking. Um, but you know,
02:03:05 ◼ ► also just all the software is totally wrong. Like I try, I looked around the app store trying to find
02:03:10 ◼ ► like what, what iPad app comes the closest to a remarkable style note-taking UI. And it's a
02:03:20 ◼ ► rough space out there. Like there is nothing good. Like, cause everything, the reason why
02:03:26 ◼ ► remarkable fits me so well is because they seem to have similar values as I do in terms of like, you
02:03:32 ◼ ► know, quality, like a small feature set done very well. All of the iPad note-taking apps don't do that.
02:03:38 ◼ ► They're all like, we're going to be everything to you. We want to, we're going to have like,
02:03:43 ◼ ► you know, audio recording, AI transcription, AI everything, you know, import documents and take
02:03:49 ◼ ► notes on other sheets. And it's like, Oh, I don't want any of that. I want like a fancy notebook.
02:03:55 ◼ ► That's, that's what I want here. Like I want a notebook that's dynamic because it's a computer
02:03:58 ◼ ► and that's what the tablets offer. And I was not able to find something like that on the iPad.
02:04:05 ◼ ► you know, so even setting aside the hardware problems that I, that I, that make it a lot