00:00:08 ◼ ► From Relay, this is Upgrade Episode 535 for October 28th 2024. Today's show is brought to you by
00:00:16 ◼ ► Squarespace, Fitbod and Notion. My name is Mike Hurley and I'm joined by Jason Snow. Hi Jason.
00:00:22 ◼ ► Hi Mike, how are you? Good. Busy week. This is going to be a very busy week and it's already started off
00:00:29 ◼ ► busy and we're going to get busier I think. I think it's going to be a huge, huge week.
00:00:34 ◼ ► I'm a little apprehensive about it. It's going to be... there's a lot. It's like this is Mac
00:00:42 ◼ ► Fest 2024 this week. Well we're obviously going to talk about the the Mac stuff and Apple television
00:00:49 ◼ ► but it's just like one of these things of like you know I was talking to my wife last week and
00:00:52 ◼ ► it's like we have family visiting this week and I'm like okay this is a couple of weeks ago. I'm
00:00:55 ◼ ► like well I reckon there's going to be an Apple event one day the week that they're coming
00:00:59 ◼ ► and I'll do my best to like you know we'll work around that. But now I'm like I don't know what
00:01:05 ◼ ► to expect now. Obviously that's not happening right? We know that now but it's like I just don't
00:01:11 ◼ ► know what the rest of this week is but what I do know at least is I'll just be recording my shows
00:01:15 ◼ ► and the days I'm supposed to be recording them and fitting in all the things I'm going to fit in.
00:01:19 ◼ ► So yeah you'll catch what you can. Different for you. It's wild. I mean so we'll cover what we can
00:01:26 ◼ ► today. Yes. But we will only be able to cover today day one of Mac Fest 2024 which will continue
00:01:35 ◼ ► for a few more days as far as we can tell. So several days according to John Turnus. And of
00:01:45 ◼ ► course the earnings right? We have the earnings on Thursday. And then Apple financials is on
00:01:51 ◼ ► Thursday so if I had to make a prediction it would be that Mac Fest 2024 lasts three days
00:01:57 ◼ ► and then there's Money Fest quarterly on Thursday which is also Halloween and then Friday is I don't
00:02:05 ◼ ► know recovery day it's leg day something like that. They did say it's those three announcements
00:02:10 ◼ ► so we can assume it's one day after another. But anyway we'll get to all of that because we've got
00:02:13 ◼ ► to start out of a snow talk question. This one comes from John who wants to know and this is kind
00:02:19 ◼ ► of in reference we were talking about. Is it John Turnus? I don't know. Me and you were talking a
00:02:24 ◼ ► couple of weeks ago about the idea of not really thinking that we would be able to retire fully
00:02:28 ◼ ► but John wanted to know would you like to live on a beach in Hawaii when you do choose to retire?
00:02:33 ◼ ► Yeah I think it's unlikely that I would be able to afford to live by the beach. Like I don't want to
00:02:40 ◼ ► live like on the beach just with no home and just laying on the beach. I don't want to do that but
00:02:45 ◼ ► in general yes that would be a wonderful place. I would love to do that. That is one of the dreams
00:02:58 ◼ ► You can just have them you know. You never know where your life's going to take you. I mean like
00:03:02 ◼ ► a little condo in Hawaii I mean yeah that would be awesome. That was as good as it could get I think
00:03:07 ◼ ► for retirement. Yeah my slightly more plausible but also implausible dream is actually to have a
00:03:13 ◼ ► little condo in San Diego. And then what I've said to Lauren a bunch of times is I kind of want to be
00:03:24 ◼ ► the regular at the Padres games where they're like oh there's this old guy who's just always there
00:03:31 ◼ ► and he watches the baseball games and he lives like across the street and he just comes over
00:03:35 ◼ ► and watches the games and goes back. He's just that's what he does with his retirement and I
00:03:40 ◼ ► kind of want to be that guy. I do. I kind of want to be that guy but and why the Padres and not the
00:03:46 ◼ ► Giants you say it's because the weather is much much better in San Diego that's why come on come
00:03:52 ◼ ► on. But anyway beach in Hawaii would be fantastic. Every time I go to Hawaii I think about it but
00:04:00 ◼ ► yeah I mean who knows it is thank you John for basically getting me to admit yes that is one of
00:04:05 ◼ ► my dreams. If you'd like to send in a question to help us open an episode of Upgrade just go to
00:04:11 ◼ ► upgradefeedback.com and you can send in a Snell Talk question of your own. To give you an example
00:04:18 ◼ ► of the busyness of today's episode we're going to talk about your iPad mini review in follow-up.
00:04:23 ◼ ► So you reviewed a whole new product you said a couple of things that I thought were really
00:04:28 ◼ ► nice about the iPad mini. I read a couple of quotes from you. The iPad mini is already a
00:04:33 ◼ ► niche product within a niche product line. It's likely that Apple will never want to slice things
00:04:38 ◼ ► even thinner than it already has and what's great about the iPad mini ultimately is also what limits
00:04:43 ◼ ► it. It's a small iPad with plenty of power it fits in places other iPads just don't. Look I wrote
00:04:49 ◼ ► four or five thousand words about the iPad mini last week which is funny because I thought I had
00:04:55 ◼ ► basically nothing to say about it almost nothing to say about it but you know you find things I
00:05:02 ◼ ► wrote the review and I'm like how did I get two thousand words out of this and then my editor at
00:05:05 ◼ ► Macroll was like can you write your column this week about the iPad mini I'm like what do I even
00:05:09 ◼ ► say about it but I found I found something to say about so yeah so the first part niche of a niche
00:05:15 ◼ ► right it's a it's a niche iPad and the iPad is a niche Apple device really if you think about it
00:05:21 ◼ ► and then I get the people who say I really wish that the iPad mini was more like an iPad pro than
00:05:29 ◼ ► an iPad air but again I feel like then you're saying it's a it's a niche of a niche of a niche
00:05:34 ◼ ► like it's too far it's too it's cutting it too thin and Apple probably looks at the sales figures
00:05:40 ◼ ► and just doesn't believe that a a pro iPad mini is gonna be you know a seller that's worth making
00:05:47 ◼ ► and then also as I mentioned in the piece think of the capitalization if you've got a capital P pro
00:05:52 ◼ ► and a lowercase m mini and then now they're in the same product name like it's madness you can't do it
00:05:58 ◼ ► so there's that part and you know it the other thing the piece I ended up writing for Macworld
00:06:05 ◼ ► part of what I said is like look if you want a really super pro thing that's kind of like an iPad
00:06:10 ◼ ► mini wait for the fold out iPhone because although it's not quite the same I'm sure that will be a
00:06:16 ◼ ► very expensive but very pro very nice product that will get you a a screen that's probably not that
00:06:25 ◼ ► far off from an iPad mini screen and it's also an iPhone and I just thought that was funny to
00:06:30 ◼ ► think about like the closest you'll ever get to a pro iPad mini is probably a fold out iPhone
00:06:34 ◼ ► whenever that happens so you know it's it's the it's what we've been saying about the iPad mini
00:06:40 ◼ ► it's what we said last week it's a mini with a new chip so it can do Apple intelligence and otherwise
00:06:47 ◼ ► they basically didn't do anything except dilute the colors and you know it's good that it's there
00:06:52 ◼ ► like the Mac mini it is a it is a it fits in very specific niches and it's not just you know use
00:07:00 ◼ ► case wise it's also physical size wise so yeah and given the price like I also wouldn't advocate for
00:07:05 ◼ ► a pro iPad mini because then it wouldn't cost what it costs now right now it's a pretty good
00:07:10 ◼ ► value because it's cheaper than the iPad air by a bit but a pro version of it would be very
00:07:15 ◼ ► expensive and I don't I don't think it's a good idea and I don't think they would make two no
00:07:19 ◼ ► I don't either there's there's a want right like I understand the want I would want right you know
00:07:26 ◼ ► there to be a pro product but what you actually the the wish you have to have is that technology
00:07:34 ◼ ► moves faster that's all you need to wish that yeah because eventually the iPad mini will be an
00:07:39 ◼ ► OLED screen right like eventually it will be I would argue that the number one thing the iPad
00:07:44 ◼ ► mini should probably progress at that it hasn't for you know a version now is anti-glare and
00:07:56 ◼ ► is as a reader and that is one of those places where like where is a Kindle better than an iPad
00:08:02 ◼ ► mini and the answer is reading it outside I mean we were just talking about it last week right like
00:08:08 ◼ ► Amazon seemed like they're getting a bit more aggressive with Kindles now so that yeah that
00:08:12 ◼ ► weirdly I could imagine as you're saying that being a thing that actually lights a fire under
00:08:17 ◼ ► the iPad mini team that the Kindle which is really like weirdly that is the only real competitor for
00:08:25 ◼ ► any iPad I feel like like Apple has no competition in tablet computers they they're just it's just
00:08:32 ◼ ► not there yeah right like they don't have it like the closest would be what surface I just don't
00:08:37 ◼ ► think that's the same customer I don't think people are choosing between iPads and surfaces
00:08:41 ◼ ► I mean yeah and the Android tablets I'm sure they sell in some quantity but it's not it's not
00:08:46 ◼ ► competition I just I really don't imagine people are seriously weighing up iPad or a Galaxy Note
00:08:54 ◼ ► tablet or whatever like and my my various forays into into using Android devices for readers I can
00:09:01 ◼ ► you know Android apps are fine on on phones but they're terrible on tablets anything larger than
00:09:06 ◼ ► a phone size it just falls apart it really I mean again not every Android app right but but but just
00:09:12 ◼ ► generally I was very disappointed it's a very different story than than the iPad so they just
00:09:17 ◼ ► don't have it there but like I do feel like focus yeah the iPad mini and the Kindle are in direct
00:09:24 ◼ ► competition I think to a certain degree they are yeah yeah and the kindles are getting more
00:09:28 ◼ ► expensive right I mean that's the other thing is that when you start talking about a higher-end
00:09:33 ◼ ► Kindle like that paperwhite signature edition that's got the light sensor and all of that and
00:09:38 ◼ ► they're like and they're starting to have like other rereaders are getting pens now right so
00:09:42 ◼ ► you can do markup and things like that you start they are starting to get close to each other and
00:09:46 ◼ ► that's really interesting and and I think that there is some threat there from Apple and I again
00:09:51 ◼ ► I just think that's one of those areas that Apple they have made strides in anti-glare and screen
00:09:56 ◼ ► brightness and things like that but on the mini of all devices I think they need to push it but
00:10:02 ◼ ► not this time not this time well I mean they pushed it just not in the way that yes I mean
00:10:10 ◼ ► they had to do that right I mean I think we would agree they made you got it if you're going to make
00:10:14 ◼ ► this Apple intelligence push you've got to have your products be able to support it right what
00:10:18 ◼ ► otherwise what are you doing yeah and it was the weird outlier I feel like it was kind of the
00:10:22 ◼ ► outlier the iPad that no that will get it when it gets it yeah continuing the Ted lasso news updates
00:10:32 ◼ ► in an interview with variety Warner Brothers CEO Channing Dungy Dungy said Dungy Dungy said this
00:10:39 ◼ ► we have always been clear that we weren't we had always been clear that that there wasn't going to
00:10:47 ◼ ► be more Ted lasso if Jason Sudeikis and team weren't feeling excited about it and I can tell
00:10:51 ◼ ► you firsthand that he's in a place where he's feeling really excited and feels good about it
00:10:55 ◼ ► yeah this is this is more than you know what we've been hearing which is that they're gearing up
00:11:00 ◼ ► this is her saying we wouldn't do it without Jason Sudeikis being excited and he's excited
00:11:10 ◼ ► that's the cynical view and I think there's probably some truth in that I think he probably
00:11:16 ◼ ► you know that look there's there's the fact that it's successful so they want to pay him more to do
00:11:20 ◼ ► it and there's also the fact that he's thinking about other projects and maybe he has that thought
00:11:25 ◼ ► of like you know this is the thing that I'm I'm going to be remembered for and I could keep I
00:11:31 ◼ ► maybe I can come up with an idea he's a creative person maybe we can do something where we can
00:11:35 ◼ ► do some more of this and that's fine but this is this is the CEO of Warner Brothers TV saying
00:11:40 ◼ ► you know we're working on it so this is this is the clearest sign yet that this is happening which
00:11:47 ◼ ► it is they're they're gearing up the whole thing is happening so it's just a matter of that they
00:11:52 ◼ ► haven't announced what it is and all of that which seems like they will will do when they can yep
00:11:58 ◼ ► Vimeo for VisionOS now supports immersive video and Vimeo are releasing an immersive video of
00:12:07 ◼ ► their own that they've made to celebrate it that's coming in November and Upgrading Greg
00:12:14 ◼ ► contacted us to share that TV producer Andy Greenwald recently said on his podcast The Watch
00:12:20 ◼ ► that Apple is commissioning more filmmakers around town to make content with big budgets yeah
00:12:27 ◼ ► all right these are I think these two things are unrelated by the way I don't think Apple's
00:12:32 ◼ ► commissioning for no I'm sorry maybe I did a bad job there I just lumped them all together as
00:12:36 ◼ ► immersive content I wasn't trying to say that they were linked in any way but it's just like a more
00:12:40 ◼ ► immersive video coming to right so there's a there's a Vimeo app with with immersive stuff
00:12:45 ◼ ► in it which is like great where's YouTube app still not there but I think that we all believe
00:12:49 ◼ ► YouTube I heard somewhere that the YouTube app was coming in February yeah and that was part of why
00:12:56 ◼ ► Juno got pulled was killed yes and then separately it sounds like Apple is indeed after we were
00:13:04 ◼ ► talking about that immersive video submerged that that Apple Apple made that there's more money and
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00:15:31 ◼ ► support of this show and all of Relay. Apple intelligence is out now iOS 18.1 is coming out today
00:15:42 ◼ ► yep mac os 15.1 as well yes oh yeah i always just think of it as ios 18.1 but it's it's it's the
00:15:48 ◼ ► point ones on the different platforms ipad os ios mac os they're all out now with the first set of
00:15:54 ◼ ► apple intelligence features i'm going to run through these real fast um to kind of just
00:16:00 ◼ ► remind everybody what's in them because we've spoken about this quite a bit over the last few
00:16:04 ◼ ► months uh writing tools the new serie design that has some updated understanding better photo search
00:16:11 ◼ ► and memory creation notification summaries the reduce interruptions focus mode smart reply in
00:16:17 ◼ ► mail and messages which i have never seen once i have never seen this feature like where it pops up
00:16:24 ◼ ► the little sheet and lets you choose and it right i've never seen this i don't even know where it is
00:16:28 ◼ ► supposed to be priority mail messages this is where it shows like an email is a priority email
00:16:34 ◼ ► summaries and transcription in notes so how are you feeling about 18.1 i know you just put out a big
00:16:42 ◼ ► article on six colors as we were going live today yeah dan and i did a uh we collaborated on because
00:16:49 ◼ ► there's a lot in there on a i mean i called it the apple intelligence point one review which is
00:17:03 ◼ ► it's a mixed bag it's a mixed bag um i find that okay first off they showed um developer beta of
00:17:15 ◼ ► point two last week right so that's a big thing yeah we're gonna talk about that for sure and and
00:17:23 ◼ ► what i'll say about it now is i think it was really smart right because when they're releasing
00:17:30 ◼ ► point one they're also pointing at point two and saying and also these features and it's just like
00:17:35 ◼ ► them having a public beta of point one when they ship the iphone they are trying to make the story
00:17:43 ◼ ► about the next thing so that you don't think of the gestalt of the thing as just what's shipping
00:17:49 ◼ ► but also about what's about to ship which you could say that that's sort of marketing and a
00:17:54 ◼ ► little bit cynical but you could also say that they those are real features that are coming soon
00:17:59 ◼ ► they're not promises that are unclear they're like code that's shipping even though it's not
00:18:04 ◼ ► shipping to everybody and then i would assume fairly soon there'll be a public beta of point
00:18:09 ◼ ► two and people will be able to opt into that as well so that when they're talking about
00:18:14 ◼ ► apple intelligence they can talk about well this is now and this is coming and you can you know
00:18:18 ◼ ► it's already available for developers and it's next up and i think that that's that's smart
00:18:22 ◼ ► because it changes this conversation and lots of conversations to not just be about point one
00:18:27 ◼ ► the point it's also funny because i think if you had shipped the point one and point two features
00:18:32 ◼ ► together it would be much more impressive because the point one features do feel a little like
00:18:38 ◼ ► the ones that were ready and maybe even would have been part of the os release without the
00:18:44 ◼ ► apple intelligence push some of them um you know the series stuff is not really improved
00:18:51 ◼ ► in point one other than the look it's not really any different like the changes that they are
00:18:57 ◼ ► saying are a fun demo but like i'm not really sure is a thing that people were running into
00:19:03 ◼ ► that they had to constantly like trip over themselves to ask siri questions i just i'm not
00:19:08 ◼ ► convinced that that is really a thing that people were doing like having conversations with siri
00:19:14 ◼ ► there's going to be improved siri in point two and really in point four right next year is when
00:19:18 ◼ ► a lot of the stuff that we wish siri would be better at will be better at yeah so it's going
00:19:22 ◼ ► to take a lot of time but okay so summaries are useful and i know we've talked about this before
00:19:27 ◼ ► but just to get it out there again i find summaries useful they're not 100 useful but summarizing
00:19:32 ◼ ► conversations uh summarizing notifications summarizing uh emails in the preview instead
00:19:39 ◼ ► of the first two lines of text can be very useful and i don't find it detrimental and i had in my
00:19:47 ◼ ► example i know a lot of people have had similar examples my example was the multiple alerts i get
00:19:52 ◼ ► from my uh home irrigation app that my front yard drip irrigation is turned on and is going to run
00:20:00 ◼ ► and is now has now run and is off and that gets turned into a single thing that says drip
00:20:06 ◼ ► irrigation ran and concluded at 7 58 p.m it's like yep swipe done right i don't need that co
00:20:14 ◼ ► i coalescing that into one summary is great yeah i feel like this is a thing that like especially
00:20:19 ◼ ► online right now like this feature people are really having a good time making fun of it like
00:20:24 ◼ ► you know like and there's just like lots of memes and engagement bait around like i'm gonna post
00:20:29 ◼ ► this thing or whatever you know like there was this one that was going around about a message
00:20:34 ◼ ► you know while person who's breaking up with you did it yeah and joanna stern had an interview
00:20:40 ◼ ► craig vader egan mentioned that to greg and i really like craig's response which is kind of like
00:20:48 ◼ ► should be getting broken up with by a text anyway like no matter how you get that notification
00:20:51 ◼ ► it's never a good one but exactly my feeling is this is actually in point one the absolute
00:20:56 ◼ ► best feature is the notification summaries it doesn't work for all types of apps like for
00:21:02 ◼ ► example you know i get i get notifications for overcast i just have them go to the notification
00:21:06 ◼ ► center so i know when my podcasts are posting overcast notifications includes the kind of
00:21:11 ◼ ► description of the episode long descriptions of podcast episodes that are essentially unrelated
00:21:16 ◼ ► to each other does not make sense for a notification summary but the thing is you can just
00:21:22 ◼ ► turn them off individually for certain apps so yeah my recommendation for people that install in
00:21:27 ◼ ► point one today for the first time is give it a bit of time in the notification summaries like
00:21:31 ◼ ► i guarantee there's going to be at least a handful of applications where you're going to be like oh
00:21:35 ◼ ► this is better like similarly jason i have a car home security system i have like a notification
00:21:40 ◼ ► when the door's open and closed and like i just saw it then it was like multiple status changes
00:21:44 ◼ ► door recently closed it's like that's kind of all i need to know right like i don't need to see open
00:21:50 ◼ ► closed open closed open closed right like this is a better system for that but you kind of just got
00:21:55 ◼ ► to see uh where it ends up working for you yeah um other features photos cleanup is finally here
00:22:03 ◼ ► um it's good it's it's it should have been here years ago it shouldn't require apple intelligence
00:22:07 ◼ ► level hardware to run um but they did a good job it's pretty good at removing stuff from the
00:22:12 ◼ ► background and it does this thing one of the things that i've noticed about this and this
00:22:16 ◼ ► really continues in point two is apple's really leaning into the uh the stagecraft of apple
00:22:22 ◼ ► intelligence where everything's gotta got that apple intelligence rainbow glow thing um and
00:22:29 ◼ ► cleanup is one of those places where it doesn't just give you a tool when you tap cleanup in the
00:22:35 ◼ ► editing mode in photos it scans your photo for things it thinks you would be likely to want to
00:22:41 ◼ ► remove and then makes them do a shimmer effect and you can just tap on them to remove them now
00:22:46 ◼ ► that's not necessary uh but they i think it's part of the showmanship here is they want to like give
00:22:55 ◼ ► you examples of like what you know how about this guy who's standing in the background maybe we get
00:23:00 ◼ ► rid of him uh and uh but it's a good feature it's a good feature it's just interesting to see how
00:23:05 ◼ ► they play it and then you know for me the one that really i think makes me think a lot is writing
00:23:11 ◼ ► tools which in point one you know so okay i i'm a writer i have been a writer for a long time
00:23:21 ◼ ► and i'll just say if i give a paragraph i've written to writing tools and have it rewrite it
00:23:28 ◼ ► it makes it worse bottom line it just makes it worse but that's what llms do llms are all about
00:23:34 ◼ ► flattening it to the middle that they're they are the most mid of things like that it's all about
00:23:41 ◼ ► of all of the of all of internet language right so all of language so you're gonna get something
00:23:47 ◼ ► yeah the middle so it does stuff that's you know it it replaces words with other words that are
00:23:54 ◼ ► synonymous which is it feels very much like a student who's trying to file off the the the
00:24:02 ◼ ► they're plagiarizing it they'll just it'll just swap in synonyms i'm like why why did you even
00:24:07 ◼ ► do that and it simplifies things and it makes things more cliched um and so you know easy for
00:24:17 ◼ ► really important to say a lot of people not the people who are writing about apple intelligence
00:24:23 ◼ ► by the way for obvious reasons a lot of people struggle with written material that's not their
00:24:32 ◼ ► strongest thing i know you use ai for um some podcast writing right i do i use it for quite a
00:24:38 ◼ ► lot of things because i'm not a writer i'm not and you're not comfortable with that form and yet
00:24:43 ◼ ► there are lots of things that require writing things that sometimes i have to write get seen
00:24:48 ◼ ► by lots of people and i am very insecure about posting some of this stuff because like you know
00:24:54 ◼ ► like it's all in good fun but like there has been a there was a point where a bunch of friends of
00:25:00 ◼ ► mine were collecting screenshots of all of my uh spelling mistakes and like that was just like a
00:25:07 ◼ ► thing and it was like one of these things where it's fun when it's a joke between friends but then
00:25:11 ◼ ► it like expands out into the world and like i think now i am insecure about like my writing
00:25:18 ◼ ► and so i like to be able to have systems where i can say like here is a piece of text that i'm
00:25:24 ◼ ► writing can you can you check this for me and i would say in point one the proofreading is fine
00:25:30 ◼ ► but it's not like super great it's better in point two because you can describe your changes but
00:25:35 ◼ ► obviously you would never use these tools because you are a writer in the same way that i would
00:25:42 ◼ ► never use a tool that would produce a podcast for me right so and this is and this is my point is
00:25:48 ◼ ► i i i know that but i want to point it out because i do think that there there are some people are
00:25:51 ◼ ► like oh i don't know why and it was a good thought uh experiment for me because it was like okay if
00:26:01 ◼ ► but there are lots of people lots of very smart people in fact but writing is not their thing i
00:26:06 ◼ ► you know my dad was a very smart person and he was a terrible writer he like he just couldn't do it
00:26:14 ◼ ► and also i haven't even gotten to it yet but the other very clear application here is people who
00:26:19 ◼ ► are not comfortable in english because english isn't their primary language and there's a lot
00:26:23 ◼ ► of that too so i think that i think that there's a lot of this that is going to be really great for
00:26:29 ◼ ► a lot of people because it's going to give you a safety net you select your text it just comes with
00:26:33 ◼ ► your computer comes with your phone you select the text and you say you rewrite this or make it
00:26:39 ◼ ► friendly or make it professional like how many 20 year olds are out there who are applying for
00:26:44 ◼ ► an internship or a job or something and they suddenly have to write an email to the their
00:26:49 ◼ ► prospective employer and they have no idea what it means to be personal to be professional and i
00:26:54 ◼ ► say that as a as a parent of two kids in their 20s now like they got they have no idea they have no
00:27:01 ◼ ► idea and i can we sometimes they send us their things that they're writing and say you know can
00:27:06 ◼ ► you look at this and see if it's okay so imagine being able to just go can you make this professional
00:27:11 ◼ ► because i don't know how to do that and have it do it i think that's great obviously with all these
00:27:15 ◼ ► tools you should look at the output and make sure that you're comfortable with what you get out of
00:27:20 ◼ ► it but i do think that there are a lot of people who are just completely at sea when it comes to
00:27:24 ◼ ► written language in english in this case more languages to come but um and i think that that's
00:27:30 ◼ ► great so i think that there's a lot to be said for writing tools and it's very easy to be cynical
00:27:36 ◼ ► about it if you're somebody who's comfortable with writing but but think of everyone else i'd say
00:27:42 ◼ ► think outside yourself and think of all the different applications to this now a friend of mine
00:27:47 ◼ ► who is also a professional writer uh his comment to me about it when we were talking about it this
00:27:53 ◼ ► weekend was i hadn't thought of this it's like you know sometimes somebody sends you an email
00:27:59 ◼ ► and you're really angry about it and you write an angry response and and he said there is some value
00:28:07 ◼ ► in selecting it and saying make this professional or make this friendly everybody's had that email
00:28:12 ◼ ► that they sent that they wish later that they hadn't sent right now you still have to think
00:28:16 ◼ ► about running it through the ai i do think that there's a mode that is undoubtedly coming which
00:28:21 ◼ ► will allow your apps of choice to say this looks a little angry i know i know there used to be way
00:28:27 ◼ ► back when eudora actually had a semantic analysis feature believe it or not and eudora has been gone
00:28:34 ◼ ► for so long now but but it had a semantic analysis feature back in the early 2000s that was would
00:28:40 ◼ ► actually show you a little spicy peppers if you had like if you were really really angry it would
00:28:45 ◼ ► be like oh there's three peppers here and i think you could set a threshold where it warned you and
00:28:49 ◼ ► it's like are you sure you want to send the spicy email but i think that will come back i think that
00:28:53 ◼ ► there will be more semantic analysis with ai where they will say would you like me to make this more
00:28:58 ◼ ► professional because this seems to be in a professional context but i haven't thought of
00:29:01 ◼ ► that and that's a good one it's like take a step back from the ledge you have a lot of feelings
00:29:05 ◼ ► but if you run it through the ai guess what's going to happen all those feelings are going
00:29:09 ◼ ► to get pulled out of it because that's what it does it flattens it back down and if what you're
00:29:13 ◼ ► trying to send is boring and and and not bad but like boring and it's doing a job and it needs to
00:29:19 ◼ ► convey something but that's all it needs to do you can get that out of this and there's a lot of value
00:29:25 ◼ ► in that for a lot of people i still want to talk more about this but i want to just very quickly
00:29:30 ◼ ► jump to the 18.2 part because i can i need to reference that to make my point so 18.2 is now
00:29:36 ◼ ► out in the developer beta one of the features is enhanced writing tools so yes these are it allows
00:29:42 ◼ ► you to describe the change that you want to make to existing text and you can also generate text
00:29:48 ◼ ► completely from nothing with chatgpt so the reason i want to mention this is for me what i find to be
00:29:54 ◼ ► very valuable with these tools is you're able to prompt them and what i don't like about the 18.1
00:30:00 ◼ ► writing tools is they're very you are just pressing a button that describes a prompt that apple wrote
00:30:08 ◼ ► right they wrote prompts and you press the button and the prompt goes in exactly and in 18.2
00:30:12 ◼ ► you can also try to write the prompt yourself yeah because the experience i have of chatgpt is i will
00:30:18 ◼ ► say keep the tone of this message like keep the tone of this text the same recommend some
00:30:24 ◼ ► adjustments and what i find then is i have a much better um hit rate of getting something to still
00:30:31 ◼ ► sound like me like it's just maybe giving me some different words or rewriting it putting some
00:30:36 ◼ ► different punctuation or grammar in place to make the overall sentences read better right and for me
00:30:44 ◼ ► as well like when i do this stuff i don't just take the output of it and just like paste it into
00:30:49 ◼ ► whatever i want i treat it as like a back and forth really i can i'll often still go in and
00:30:54 ◼ ► make changes to what it's given me but i i get to a point where i feel a little bit more comfortable
00:31:00 ◼ ► with the text and so having these tools built into the system is really interesting and and i
00:31:06 ◼ ► want to play around with them more um but i do like that now you have a little bit more um
00:31:12 ◼ ► a little bit more say in what the change can be and you can see why they did it this way right
00:31:18 ◼ ► in point one it's sort of like we got all the guide rails all the guard rails in place we're
00:31:22 ◼ ► gonna we're gonna make it just super safe and simple and then in point two they're like all
00:31:29 ◼ ► those other things are still there but if you want to take control it'll slide up a little keyboard
00:31:35 ◼ ► that'll do the ai sparkle thing that they do that's more showmanship and you can you can direct it
00:31:42 ◼ ► better also the proofread tool is okay it's not as good as grammarly it needs to improve i got some
00:31:47 ◼ ► false positives but um it's nice to have it right it's nice to again for free in the system to offer
00:31:54 ◼ ► that is nice and then the other stuff like summary you know sometimes you want to read a summary of
00:32:01 ◼ ► something and see if you want to read it sometimes you want to get a summary so that you can summarize
00:32:06 ◼ ► it for someone else and that it it does the again i would say it does the initial work and then you
00:32:12 ◼ ► need to look at it and make sure it properly summarizes it but i think that's interesting
00:32:17 ◼ ► the key points one makes me laugh but i think it's super useful which is a lot of people have bosses
00:32:23 ◼ ► who are addicted to the executive summary i used to have bosses who are like this and it's like
00:32:29 ◼ ► you know imagine there's a thousand word memo that's going around and then your boss is like
00:32:33 ◼ ► summarize it for me it's like oh the executive summary well you know what you do key points
00:32:40 ◼ ► and it it literally makes a bulleted list with like bold items and then explanations of each of
00:32:46 ◼ ► the bold items and like it's building an executive summary which again you need to go over as a
00:32:52 ◼ ► person who's doing this to your boss because some of them may not be key points and you may want to
00:32:58 ◼ ► remove those right you a little bit of editing work is always a good idea with stuff that's
00:33:03 ◼ ► generated by ais but i look at that and i think somebody thought oh my god we could use the ai to
00:33:09 ◼ ► generate an executive summary it's such a great idea and then you know what i love that they
00:33:14 ◼ ► baked in a couple of text utilities into writing tools too so the idea that if you've got something
00:33:19 ◼ ► that's just people are writing text and it's literally like thing colon number thing colon
00:33:24 ◼ ► number and you're like this this should be a table but they're like yeah but i don't know how to make
00:33:28 ◼ ► a table and all the controls are different when you're in table mode and all that you literally
00:33:32 ◼ ► select it and say table and it just makes it a table or a list if you've got like a paragraph
00:33:37 ◼ ► that lists 15 things in it that's just you know they're there here are the things we need this
00:33:42 ◼ ► this this this this this this this this you know like uh you can select it and say list and it
00:33:47 ◼ ► turns it into a bulleted list of those things instead properly formatted and again it's a little
00:33:53 ◼ ► thing but like it's great like in to intelligently take text and make it something reformat into
00:34:04 ◼ ► features in there it's just a little bit basic it's just because it's it's it's number one
00:34:13 ◼ ► it's v1 um it needs to be better but it is uh there are things in it that are good and there
00:34:20 ◼ ► are things in it that are okay 18.2 also introduces the first round of image tools which includes
00:34:26 ◼ ► image playgrounds which is the ai art generation system genmoji which is a generative ai emoji
00:34:33 ◼ ► creation system an image wand where you can take a sketch of something of an apple pencil
00:34:37 ◼ ► and have it you know turn it into something else something funny happened with this okay
00:34:43 ◼ ► something very funny happened the people who downloaded this beta immediately you have to
00:34:48 ◼ ► sign up and say please allow me to do image generation the people who downloaded it right
00:34:53 ◼ ► away got the image generation and as far as i can tell everybody else who downloaded it after that
00:34:58 ◼ ► first initial burst just it's just not on it's just not turned on for anybody else so i've got
00:35:05 ◼ ► a little bit more context in that like okay some people have gotten in because i i know some people
00:35:11 ◼ ► who were in what i am in which is the you're in the wait list who got it yes who who like i
00:35:17 ◼ ► downloaded the beta as soon as i could and went on the list but i know people that have now gotten in
00:35:22 ◼ ► after having been on the wait list you know like for a few days so and apple stopped the wait list
00:35:28 ◼ ► but the wait list very slow this feature very slowly trickling in yeah yeah so i i i think
00:35:36 ◼ ► apple gave statements a couple of us so chance miller at 95 mac was was saying that like apple
00:35:41 ◼ ► said that they're letting people in very slowly basically and they're going to continue to let
00:35:45 ◼ ► people in that's that's a statement i got too which was i was just asking hey is there is this
00:35:50 ◼ ► normal and is there any way for me to use this feature and the response was the boilerplate
00:35:56 ◼ ► apple will you know here's how this works and it's like okay i guess that's my answer you know the
00:36:01 ◼ ► first thing i was going to do was send a mic themed emoji to you okay first thing first thing yeah
00:36:08 ◼ ► so i've seen i've seen some of the stuff and like it ain't good man so like the image playground
00:36:16 ◼ ► stuff is just is just bad like i just don't like any of the examples that i've seen um i've had
00:36:30 ◼ ► and they just don't look good like they they look like versions prior it's basically played out the
00:36:38 ◼ ► way that i thought which is the stuff that they are showing now looks like old versions of ai art
00:36:43 ◼ ► like for example there was a cartoony character of me and my eyes were just these like swirly blue
00:36:48 ◼ ► things which i it's got that oh i've seen this kind of thing before like i hate to tell it to
00:36:53 ◼ ► you but your eyes are swirly blue oh no yeah what i've seen your hands with six fingers yes you know
00:37:02 ◼ ► i've seen all this kind of stuff like from image playgrounds and i you know it's just it ain't good
00:37:08 ◼ ► like that's it's just not good and i don't i'd hope that they at least were going to do a good
00:37:12 ◼ ► job and they haven't done a good job so i don't understand the point of this i really don't of the
00:37:18 ◼ ► three of them the one i'm least interested in is image playground because honestly i've got chad
00:37:23 ◼ ► gpt i've got like i can generate images all i want already and i don't i mostly look better they'll
00:37:28 ◼ ► look better and they will look better however genmoji intrigues me because i like emoji i like
00:37:35 ◼ ► the fact that you can use genmoji as tap backs and things like that and the idea that you're training
00:37:40 ◼ ► on apple's emoji design language to generate dynamic new emoji in a very constrained set of
00:37:58 ◼ ► and probably the ones that are bad are not going to be as bad and you'll just hit reload and get a
00:38:05 ◼ ► different one um so i'm kind of interested in seeing how that goes and have some optimism there
00:38:11 ◼ ► and then image wand is the one that i think is funny because i actually think image one could
00:38:15 ◼ ► be great because i am terrible at drawing things and i'm intrigued by the idea that i could do a
00:38:21 ◼ ► very terrible sketch and then circle it and have it be have them generate something that looks
00:38:30 ◼ ► uh unclear but as somebody who can't draw i'm kind of intrigued by that idea the problem this
00:38:37 ◼ ► is a marketing thing the problem is apple's marketing is beautiful hand-drawn sketches that
00:38:45 ◼ ► then get turned into ai art when you circle them because they can't dare to have something that
00:38:50 ◼ ► looks bad they can't they can't dare it that's right they can't bear to have an a a butt ugly
00:38:57 ◼ ► super bad stickman sketch from jason that they're like look at this crappy sketch by this guy who
00:39:04 ◼ ► can't draw whoo magic why we're in that situation right where they're like the things that are the
00:39:10 ◼ ► pre prior to the ai look good and in post look bad yeah they did the thing it's like it was like a
00:39:15 ◼ ► buddhist temple or something and they're like this sketch is gorgeous and they're like screw that
00:39:19 ◼ ► sketch now it's ai generated i'm like no no no the sketch was beautiful say fix my bad art don't fix
00:39:27 ◼ ► that good art but again i so i'm looking forward to seeing if it's capable of doing that or if it
00:39:33 ◼ ► or if the truth is that my art is so bad that not even the ai can save it i don't know i don't know
00:39:38 ◼ ► i just sent to you in a message i don't think i'm gonna publish this yet because i don't know what
00:39:43 ◼ ► kind of method these files have in them and like this was sent to me from somebody else this is an
00:39:48 ◼ ► image of me and like you can see like do you see it's totally you but you can see it's me right
00:39:54 ◼ ► you can see it's me yeah but like it just looks bad right like it's just a boss in a pixar movie
00:40:02 ◼ ► this was quote mike as an angry ceo was the prompt that was given oh you don't look angry you look
00:40:08 ◼ ► i'm like i looked very disturbed very upset yeah you look like yeah one of your one of your
00:40:15 ◼ ► employees just set the office on fire and you're thinking about being blamed for it by the board
00:40:23 ◼ ► of directors yes that's what this image is um yeah okay but you see what i mean like there's also gem
00:40:30 ◼ ► moji right gemmoji are cool in a way right because you can make emoji of anything you want but i've
00:40:36 ◼ ► noticed a weird trend with the gemmoji that i have received in messages you know when you're using
00:40:42 ◼ ► photoshop and you want to remove the white background from an image and you kind of like
00:40:47 ◼ ► use the tools but you don't really do a great job and there's like a little bit of white left around
00:40:51 ◼ ► it this is how every gemmoji looks for me because i use my iphone in dark mode so like there's
00:40:56 ◼ ► something going on with gemmoji where they're they're not entirely transparent their alpha
00:41:03 ◼ ► channel is not what not right it's like i don't understand what they're doing but like the the
00:41:09 ◼ ► there's like i whatever is making these emojis leaving like a little white edge around them that
00:41:15 ◼ ► doesn't look good uh so yeah very strange uh but like the idea behind it is great like you know i
00:41:23 ◼ ► could send an emoji of a you know a duck wearing sunglasses if i wanted to like and i do like that
00:41:29 ◼ ► idea that is a cool system and i do think people are gonna really dig it but but i just wished
00:41:36 ◼ ► that the image playground part just wasn't there because i don't i don't think that that is that is
00:41:42 ◼ ► it anyway we'll talk more about this when me and you can actually get access to it sure that's true
00:41:48 ◼ ► yeah we'll we'll talk i'll just say as an aside one of the ways that they could solve this is by
00:41:52 ◼ ► not letting you model your images on people in your photos library yeah saying no but instead
00:42:01 ◼ ► they're like yeah use it if they're in your photos library they're fair game and it does feel a
00:42:05 ◼ ► little do you feel a little violated by having an image of you sent to you by someone else if it
00:42:09 ◼ ► wasn't from someone that i trusted so much then yes i would yeah you know but like yeah if an
00:42:16 ◼ ► acquaintance just started sending these to me like not like a close friend then i'd feel weirded out
00:42:21 ◼ ► by it and that is the thing like anybody could could make these for me anybody because they're
00:42:27 ◼ ► you know anyone can make this of anyone because they're as long as you have pictures on the
00:42:30 ◼ ► internet people could just download images and just make something of you and i can't get my
00:42:34 ◼ ► head around that i will say that um xiam knocks in the chat to posted an image of because they've got
00:42:42 ◼ ► it uh of a genmoji and it's a duck with sunglasses and dressed like basically i'm gonna say like a
00:42:49 ◼ ► miami vice character right it's a it's a t-shirt and a jacket and it's a light colored jacket and
00:42:54 ◼ ► it's they're cool man and uh yeah that's pretty good which is why i i i'm encouraged that genmoji
00:43:01 ◼ ► might be something fun so yeah chat gpt integration in 18.2 so this is in a couple of ways where you
00:43:10 ◼ ► can pass off commands from from siri will pass commands right to chat gpt uh where it thinks it
00:43:18 ◼ ► can't answer something you can also ask siri to do things like you can say hey show me uh you know
00:43:26 ◼ ► tell me what's on the screen right now and it will basically take a screenshot send it to chat gpt and
00:43:30 ◼ ► describe to you what it's looking at siri will prompt each time chat gpt is going to be invoked
00:43:37 ◼ ► you can disable this if you want to in settings um but it will still do it for images and files no
00:43:43 ◼ ► matter what but you know so you can you can have it just seamlessly go to chat gpt get you the
00:43:48 ◼ ► answer and return it always tells you that chat gpt has been invoked either by saying it if you're
00:43:53 ◼ ► if you're speaking to siri it will say like this came from chat gpt or if you're looking at the
00:44:02 ◼ ► signed in with my open ai account i now have a setting where well i now have a thing where i
00:44:08 ◼ ► just have like 20 think like 20 new chats they're called on the because every single conversation
00:44:15 ◼ ► i'm having that's going via the system is being saved in my account but they're all just labeled
00:44:19 ◼ ► as new chat which is very funny to me that's less good in my kind of experience really it's
00:44:26 ◼ ► i found like a that speaking i'm trying to find a way to phrase this like speaking to siri is not
00:44:34 ◼ ► the same as speaking to chat gpt like there are questions that chat gpt can answer via say like
00:44:41 ◼ ► say type to siri the siri just doesn't answer like but you can it what i'm saying is i'm not sure how
00:44:48 ◼ ► great a job the series system is doing of rooting the questions because there are things that i've
00:44:54 ◼ ► asked siri where it's like oh i don't know the answer to that but if i put gpt or chat gpt in
00:44:59 ◼ ► the question you say i'm using type to siri it will route it and give me the answer that i need
00:45:04 ◼ ► you know you want to make it's like this there you can still see the seams of this i think you know
00:45:08 ◼ ► it feels that what i was going to say is that it feels like a very beta integration right the idea
00:45:13 ◼ ► here is um i i think they're it's a work in progress right and whether they think it's fine
00:45:19 ◼ ► or not i don't know but i i would imagine they don't because it just doesn't seem quite all there
00:45:24 ◼ ► it's there but the connectivity is kind of shaky and uh you know it needs to be better but uh so
00:45:33 ◼ ► yeah i i have connected my chat gpt account on one device and not on the other so i can kind of see
00:45:39 ◼ ► both experiences but um it's uh yeah it's it's okay i was also surprised that i was i was asking
00:45:49 ◼ ► siri questions that it would not pass this chat gpt and just give me answers and some of those
00:45:54 ◼ ► were okay and some of those weren't great um even if i have chat gpt logged in and turned on because
00:46:01 ◼ ► it wants its its take on at first before it goes to the other one so i don't know it's a it's a
00:46:07 ◼ ► it's a work in progress i guess is what i'll say about it yeah also this version of chat gpt that
00:46:12 ◼ ► apple is using is via the open ai api so it's not connected to the internet so the world knowledge
00:46:19 ◼ ► that it has is limited to the point where the knowledge oh yeah that and that actually is one
00:46:23 ◼ ► of those things that struck me that it needs to they need to address one way or another which is
00:46:29 ◼ ► in the long run the what you really want is the ability to query the internet and get information
00:46:38 ◼ ► back and right now what you've got is siri which is not smart can query the internet chat gpt which
00:46:47 ◼ ► is smarter and is using a version baked uh baked you know a year ago or six months ago or whatever
00:46:55 ◼ ► it can't look up things and what and the ideal ai assistant is smart but uses reference sources
00:47:07 ◼ ► that are trusted that are out in the world and can look things up and then summarize them for
00:47:11 ◼ ► you or answer them for you and right now they're kind of in between it's it's just a little weird
00:47:21 ◼ ► and i'm not really sure what i'm supposed to use it for um and support for more english languages
00:47:26 ◼ ► it feels like it's not all there i i don't know whether i'm using it in the wrong circumstances
00:47:32 ◼ ► but like i i started using it and it just says like what are the two prompts it's like what
00:47:40 ◼ ► or why i'm like what huh what it's this two buttons that you're supposed to do things with
00:47:46 ◼ ► i'm like i don't know what these are three buttons there's a there's a camera button there's a
00:47:51 ◼ ► question mark button then there's an image button and the question like the question bubble button
00:48:01 ◼ ► the photo with the magnifying glass it will query google image search but it's like i i don't i don't
00:48:08 ◼ ► want to make the decision here ask or search is it just feels it feels confused i think i have some
00:48:18 ◼ ► suspicions that they want this to be more integrated with for example with google's ai and they don't
00:48:24 ◼ ► have that integration yet so they're just using a reverse image search which is something but like
00:48:31 ◼ ► the the the idea here is that visual intelligence should see your image and say okay here's what's
00:48:35 ◼ ► going on and instead what i get is a still photo that's temporarily there and then i can respond
00:48:43 ◼ ► with image or huh and maybe or my understanding is if it's text it will like say or translate
00:48:50 ◼ ► right okay but like i don't know it it just doesn't feel quite right it needs to be more
00:48:56 ◼ ► and better and more intelligent and it's just again it's developer beta one of first version
00:49:02 ◼ ► of this feature and that's fine but like it it was i was disappointed at how basic it seemed
00:49:07 ◼ ► so the upgradings will be happy to know that they can look in the show notes and get that image of
00:49:12 ◼ ► the angry mike ceo because i've gotten uh consent from a friend of mine who made it because i just
00:49:18 ◼ ► wanted to make sure because i don't know it's weird to get consent for an image that was made
00:49:22 ◼ ► of me without my consent but nevertheless that there is a consent's important you know what i'm
00:49:27 ◼ ► that's what i'm trying to say i agree i feel like maybe you have the rights to this but
00:49:32 ◼ ► uh yeah i don't know but i i just didn't want to put them on blasting you know what i mean like
00:49:36 ◼ ► this is a weird we're in a weird time right now but nevertheless if you want to see it it will
00:49:41 ◼ ► be in the show notes i put it in the discord too in case you want to see what uh angry mike ceo
00:49:46 ◼ ► looks like yeah then you you've got that yep he's not angry i'm telling you the the building is
00:49:51 ◼ ► burning down yeah and he may be responsible uh more um more english languages are supported in this
00:50:01 ◼ ► version too we've got uh what australia uh uk canada um there are a couple others new zealand
00:50:08 ◼ ► maybe um but it's good news for you i guess because you could use uk english yeah i switched
00:50:14 ◼ ► everything back which i was happy about so now i could i could have all of the settings back the
00:50:18 ◼ ► way that i want them without having to think about it anymore so i'm happy for that uh i there is one
00:50:23 ◼ ► of there is one of a feature that i was excited about which is a 18.2 feature but not i don't
00:50:28 ◼ ► believe zap intelligence feature which is the male categories you know you get like male sort of
00:50:33 ◼ ► categories yes but it's on the iphone only i know what is going why what is going on why would you
00:50:41 ◼ ► do this i don't yes i'm i am so frustrated by this because i think it's actually really good
00:50:47 ◼ ► but i can't rely on the system if it's only on my iphone what are they doing i don't know i don't
00:50:54 ◼ ► understand it i and like i i could maybe understand it's like oh you know mail on the mac is
00:51:00 ◼ ► complicated and it's old code base and it's gonna take some time to figure it out there but here's
00:51:05 ◼ ► the thing it's not on the ipad either and it's literally the same app what are you doing i don't
00:51:10 ◼ ► get it i don't understand it it is a great feature i guess for people who only ever view email on
00:51:16 ◼ ► their iphone in mail but what it's too bad yeah because i'm sure it'll come eventually but it's
00:51:24 ◼ ► i don't get why it's iphone only it seems so weird and arbitrary i don't think it's coming in this
00:51:29 ◼ ► version like i don't think it's coming in 18 at all i went and took a look at the product pages
00:51:35 ◼ ► and both ipad os 18 and mac os 15 have zero reference to this at all so this is a next year
00:51:42 ◼ ► thing and i'm like why gang why bother right no one was expecting you could do anything for mail
00:51:48 ◼ ► because you barely do anything for mail why did you do it this way i'm so frustrated about it
00:51:53 ◼ ► because it's genuinely really good and it i don't i cannot understand why they do this where they're
00:52:00 ◼ ► like they bring these apps together as if they look and act the same but then split the functionality
00:52:12 ◼ ► we'll have more to say i expect in the coming weeks i think especially when the two of us
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00:54:06 ◼ ► fitbod for the support of this show and relay so last week greg joswiak tweeted that we can expect
00:54:15 ◼ ► a quote exciting week of announcements for the mac this week and today uh there was a newsroom article
00:54:23 ◼ ► and a 10 minute video which was kind of buried on the imac product page showing off a brand new imac
00:54:30 ◼ ► so well brand new in quotes uh it's the m4 imac um it is featuring an m4 chip which has uh this chip
00:54:39 ◼ ► is made up of four performance six efficiency cores and a 10 core gpu um i guess that we this
00:54:46 ◼ ► is the first mac right that has the m4 in it just like the base m4 this is just in the ipad so far
00:54:53 ◼ ► yes would we expect performance to be the same yes yeah i think so if the cores if the cores are the
00:55:00 ◼ ► same the performance will be pretty much the same yeah okay uh starts off at 16 gigabytes of memory
00:55:06 ◼ ► as standard can be configured up to 32 gigabytes there are new shades of the existing colors hoorah
00:55:12 ◼ ► they've remained vibrant they did not suck all the color out of these colors usb-c peripherals
00:55:18 ◼ ► are now available they're color match for the imax and it's also usb-c peripherals on the apple store
00:55:23 ◼ ► this imac can now get a nano display texture if you want it it features a new 12 megapixel center
00:55:31 ◼ ► stage camera all four usb-c ports have thunderbolt 4 support you can pre-order today it's available
00:55:37 ◼ ► november 8th still starts at 12.99 what are your thoughts um okay the performance is going to be
00:55:44 ◼ ► good uh going from eight cores to 10 cores m3 to m4 um one of my top complaints about the m1 imac
00:55:52 ◼ ► design which has continued on was that it got if you remember it got introduced right after center
00:55:58 ◼ ► stage came out and it didn't support it because it had a bad web webcam not to not resolution high
00:56:05 ◼ ► resolution enough um so now they finally got the 12 megapixel center stage camera in there like they
00:56:11 ◼ ► should have had it last time they didn't but they have it this time so that's good that's that's the
00:56:16 ◼ ► that they upgraded the imac webcam is uh very good i am surprised especially since this was a draft
00:56:24 ◼ ► pic of mine i after the last rev i really thought they weren't going to change the colors because
00:56:31 ◼ ► they seemed happy to just continue them and instead what they did is they kept the colors
00:56:39 ◼ ► as like their their names but changed the shades um and in a good way they look really nice they
00:56:54 ◼ ► nano display texture like i don't okay i i guess everything gets the nano display texture option
00:57:00 ◼ ► now but that's great if somebody uh imax can be in weird places with bright lights behind them
00:57:05 ◼ ► and all of that and you can't see uh yeah and so for them to have the ability to right like
00:57:10 ◼ ► it's just imax get placed in environments um and some of those environments are not ideal but it
00:57:17 ◼ ► doesn't matter you're not going to change the environment the imac has to go there so having
00:57:20 ◼ ► a nano display texture option i think is interesting for that scenario more than maybe like a pro using
00:57:26 ◼ ► just an m4 to do something professional is probably a less likely scenario not impossible
00:57:31 ◼ ► but less likely um so you know it's a nice it looks like a nice upgrade um and we we got
00:57:39 ◼ ► unlike the colors which did change a little bit we got exactly what we expected with the USB-C
00:57:48 ◼ ► addition to the peripherals which is nothing changed except it went from lightning to USB-C
00:57:56 ◼ ► yeah it's a shame nothing changed it was an opportunity to change something nothing changed
00:58:03 ◼ ► which i'm not that surprised by i i you know you live in hope but i'm not surprised yeah i mean
00:58:08 ◼ ► like these these new shades are good like for example the the yellow is more yellow um the one
00:58:13 ◼ ► that i have which is the yellow is was quite goldy which i quite liked uh but it had more of a goldy
00:58:18 ◼ ► vibe like i would like to see these in person but they do look good and i am happy that they
00:58:22 ◼ ► i'm happy they kept the whole range because i think the whole range is really nice um and i
00:58:25 ◼ ► think it's good that they they kind of updated it uh it's really interesting to put the nanotexture
00:58:29 ◼ ► on this i guess at this point they've worked out this process enough that they can do it
00:58:33 ◼ ► um anywhere anywhere my expectation because i was wondering like oh are they putting the like the
00:58:40 ◼ ► ipad version on it which i found out at the event which i spoke about was like some chemical process
00:58:46 ◼ ► that they used instead of the etching but i think it might be the etching version because if you get
00:58:52 ◼ ► the um the nanotexture display they ship a polishing cloth in the box right it yes would
00:58:59 ◼ ► suggest that it is the the etched version maybe they've got that information on the website
00:59:03 ◼ ► somewhere and i just i just haven't found it yet um but this is a this is nice uh i would say um
00:59:10 ◼ ► john turner says in the video that is the first of three announcements this week and also says join
00:59:15 ◼ ► us tomorrow for another exciting mac announcement yeah how about that stay tuned i find it really
00:59:20 ◼ ► weird that they went through the effort of producing this video which i've got a link to in
00:59:24 ◼ ► the show notes it's hard to find but like it is just like a section of what would be a full video
00:59:29 ◼ ► and if they're going to do this two more times i don't really i don't understand why they're doing
00:59:34 ◼ ► it this way why not just put it all together and and treat it like a thing i i don't i don't know
00:59:39 ◼ ► we'll see but it's weird it's not at the top of apple's website it just is imac learn more they
00:59:45 ◼ ► could put a video embed there or they could say watch the video and then on the imac page
00:59:50 ◼ ► it just after when you scroll down it says watch the announcement again it doesn't even have page
00:59:55 ◼ ► now too i just i just said in the but it doesn't like it should be front and center yeah and it's
01:00:01 ◼ ► it's not it's just nowhere it's it's really weird right it's i i don't know i don't know it's an
01:00:08 ◼ ► interesting experiment i'll give them that but i feel like if you're going to do a 10 minute long
01:00:11 ◼ ► product video which by the way is i mean it's not just an imac video the first four minutes of it
01:00:20 ◼ ► five minutes of it is apple intelligence right like it's also the video that introduces apple
01:00:28 ◼ ► intelligence features that are shipping on the imac yeah so it's not just an imac video it feels
01:00:35 ◼ ► much more like part of a larger whole but it's just it's just an imac video i just don't yeah
01:00:41 ◼ ► again i'm glad they made it it's a perfectly good it's the same kind of like uh production value as
01:00:50 ◼ ► their other videos it just seems buried and it's it's weird the the press release similarly
01:00:57 ◼ ► like i i don't know the press release doesn't have a link to it anywhere i think it doesn't get it
01:01:04 ◼ ► no i don't get it it's very weird yep but at least they made it i mean i prefer watching that
01:01:11 ◼ ► to reading the press release um so i'm excited that the next two days i expect there to be video
01:01:17 ◼ ► i should get more videos more apple intelligence yeah it's probably too who knows so i guess we're
01:01:21 ◼ ► in this weird thing we may as well like just should we just look at the drafts the cool card
01:01:25 ◼ ► and like we might as well just do this now and then next week we'll finish it i think this puts
01:01:31 ◼ ► it at you get two points so far the new imac i'm going to say that the new imac does come in the
01:01:36 ◼ ► same colors as before oh interesting okay unless you think it doesn't i i don't i don't know because
01:01:44 ◼ ► they are the same color names so the spread is exactly the same yeah but they're different shades
01:01:52 ◼ ► so you could argue that if they if the shades change the color changed you could also argue that
01:01:57 ◼ ► the color names stayed the same but the shades changed and the shade is not a color maybe not
01:02:02 ◼ ► then because i guess i don't here's what i would say if they would have called it green and removed
01:02:07 ◼ ► all the saturation we would have said it changed right i mean if they if they called it green and
01:02:12 ◼ ► made it silver yes we would have said yeah but if it's still green i think i've i've changed my
01:02:16 ◼ ► opinion of mine i'm gonna say easily we've got one all so far because i think that's fine i here
01:02:21 ◼ ► yes that's where i have i think i have it as one all and i would argue minus one to each of us as
01:02:29 ◼ ► well i think we've missed one and gotten one so which one have i missed release date given for
01:02:35 ◼ ► first apple intelligence features because it came out and they just said let me demo apple
01:02:41 ◼ ► intelligence i'm not sure they gave a date and that's what we said is they needed to give a date
01:02:45 ◼ ► and instead it just released they did do a second newsroom post today where they were like hey it's
01:02:51 ◼ ► today so i don't know that seems pushing it to me you think so what so if they did an event
01:02:59 ◼ ► they're like it's available today that's not uh let me i'll put it this way i would not have agreed
01:03:04 ◼ ► to this as a pick if the pick was literally they will put out a press release that says that apple
01:03:12 ◼ ► intelligence is available today well of course they were going to do that like but they're these
01:03:17 ◼ ► are all are we grading this on the newsroom posts or on the videos i mean that's a good question too
01:03:23 ◼ ► that's what we haven't decided so let's there's no point to litigate it yet but what we know is
01:03:28 ◼ ► we've just got we've both scored one point each and the rest well we'll leave it up to next week
01:03:34 ◼ ► to decide what a funny way to this is like hilarious we don't even know how to score it
01:03:39 ◼ ► like what is the winner you know like is the newsroom post the winner or the video is the
01:03:43 ◼ ► winner what do they do no more videos like we just don't know so we'll decide this next week i do
01:03:48 ◼ ► think you you you get the tiebreaker though because there's no event although yeah if i
01:04:00 ◼ ► haven't sent an invitation to this they i oh i agree yeah i agree i agree well let's uh let's
01:04:08 ◼ ► just see how it goes over the next few days before we we really dig into the the point scoring
01:04:14 ◼ ► person ship it may not matter but the beauty of the upgrade draft scoring is sometimes we score
01:04:18 ◼ ► very generously because it doesn't matter it doesn't matter at all yep saddle up partner let's
01:04:24 ◼ ► hit some room around up ah yeehaw let's do it let's ride out there there's been some reporting
01:04:28 ◼ ► from various sources about the potential slim iphone 17 that will debut next year which is also
01:04:35 ◼ ► known as the iphone 17 air i like that name joe racineal a week or so ago at mac rumors has pulled
01:04:42 ◼ ► together the following expected specs from a variety of sources this phone would feature a
01:04:47 ◼ ► 6.6 inch display an a19 chip not a pro chip but it would be made with the same process as the current
01:04:56 ◼ ► a18 pro so it would be basically like an 18 pro but called an a19 it will have a dynamic island
01:05:02 ◼ ► face id a single rear camera which is a 48 megapixels sensor a 24 megapixel front camera
01:05:10 ◼ ► an apple made 5g modem eight gigabytes of ram an aluminium frame of a noticeably different design
01:05:17 ◼ ► and this is the and the expectation now is that this would actually replace the plus phone so
01:05:21 ◼ ► there would be no plus one there would just be this in its place right well an a19 will be in the
01:05:27 ◼ ► in the iphone 17 as well right that's it's the same thing as this year they're going to use the
01:05:31 ◼ ► same process but with an updated chip yeah and they'll be presumably a19 and a19 pro and the air
01:05:37 ◼ ► will get the a19 that the base iphone 17 would also get so it really is replacing the plus in
01:05:43 ◼ ► the lineup with this thinner phone what i wonder is where in price does it land though i know this
01:05:49 ◼ ► could be the most expensive iphone depending on just how fancy they make it you know it's true
01:05:56 ◼ ► it could be it's got a single camera i feel like i feel like it's not it doesn't come across to me
01:06:03 ◼ ► as super high end other than that it looks different and it's thinner so it i think it's
01:06:07 ◼ ► a good question is this a thousand dollar phone i think fashion is what they're going for here i
01:06:12 ◼ ► think that's what they're going to attempt to hit i think my my expectation is they're going to try
01:06:17 ◼ ► and make this phone feel like a piece of jewelry and if they do that maybe it's the most expensive
01:06:21 ◼ ► one this is a statement iphone i don't know i i don't know like this this set of specs doesn't
01:06:27 ◼ ► really help me nail that down one way or another but it is suggesting it's going to be very
01:06:31 ◼ ► different and and i do find it i wonder if they with this phone they will crack the problem that
01:06:39 ◼ ► they have had with that second slot that they have yet to be able to solve all right it's a good
01:06:45 ◼ ► question i mean they clearly they've decided that differentiating by size is not enough no it has to
01:06:54 ◼ ► be so they're going to differentiate somehow other ways i'm gonna say i'm gonna say this feels like
01:07:02 ◼ ► a thousand dollar phone to me just gut feel here is that it feels like it's probably priced similar
01:07:08 ◼ ► to the pro but with different features um not a 1500 1400 phone but maybe i mean it's possible
01:07:19 ◼ ► it really depends on the details right yeah yeah yeah i guess maybe similarly or just like along
01:07:26 ◼ ► with this in a memo to staff announcing the promotion of richard din to vp of product design
01:07:32 ◼ ► for the iphone john turner said that the upcoming iphone roadmap represents quote the most ambitious
01:07:38 ◼ ► in the product's history yes is that anything i don't know but it could be like as we've as we can
01:07:45 ◼ ► assume this phone is the gateway to a folding iphone yeah let's put it this way the last five
01:07:53 ◼ ► years of iphone have not been ambitious good call right yeah 12 13 14 15 16 has been pretty i mean
01:08:04 ◼ ► since the iphone 10 would we say that the the roadmap is super ambitious i mean it it's been
01:08:12 ◼ ► camera upgrades not that they haven't done stuff but it's like camera upgrades and processor
01:08:16 ◼ ► upgrades and like they've done some stuff but i wouldn't call it super ambitious i certainly
01:08:21 ◼ ► wouldn't say most in the product's history unless you're just hyping so if he's serious here i think
01:08:27 ◼ ► yeah i think that that that is what we're thinking is they're doing a thin phone they're going to do
01:08:31 ◼ ► some foldables who knows what else they've got in the mix and that is much more ambitious yeah
01:08:37 ◼ ► mark german has yet again shared more details about apple smart home device in his power on
01:08:44 ◼ ► newsletter but this is this is actually like good stuff yeah so this is about the the one
01:08:52 ◼ ► expected next year the cheaper one the screen is expected to be pretty small described as about
01:08:57 ◼ ► the size of two iphones side by side and will be a square screen it will be attached to a base that
01:09:03 ◼ ► will make it look reminiscent to the imac g4 so the little round base i sunflowery kind of look
01:09:09 ◼ ► and that base will probably be a speaker i'm going to read a quote from mark's article in power on
01:09:14 ◼ ► the device will run a new operating system that will include some ipad-like apps including
01:09:18 ◼ ► facetime notes and calendar it's also meant to be well suited to videos and photo slideshows
01:09:23 ◼ ► the device's primary purpose will be serving as a hub that can control various smart home accessories
01:09:29 ◼ ► this is the product expected to launch next year with a higher end version with a robotic limb
01:09:35 ◼ ► sound coming in 2026 i'm so hyped for this product like if it's just this i want it so bad so i i
01:09:43 ◼ ► don't know if this is something about mark german or something about his sources but i find it funny
01:09:48 ◼ ► that it took all this time to get to the base will probably be a speaker because he's been
01:09:55 ◼ ► describing this thing as a screen yeah right a smart display yeah and i wonder if that's just
01:10:02 ◼ ► the way that it's been described to him because all along i've thought this has to be a home pod
01:10:08 ◼ ► speaker too right i mean it has to do both if it's just an ipad on a stand without a good speaker
01:10:15 ◼ ► then what are we even doing here and then why would you have a big base the big base is to
01:10:21 ◼ ► provide some weight so that it will be anchored down but also it's got to be a speaker so i feel
01:10:26 ◼ ► like that's gotten short shrift but at least here he's kind of acknowledged that that yeah it'll
01:10:30 ◼ ► probably be a speaker like probably i don't understand this product if the base is not a
01:10:34 ◼ ► speaker because that that's like part of it this is the home pod with a with an ipad kind of grafted
01:10:40 ◼ ► onto it running a simplified version of one of apple's os's that will run apps and do all this
01:10:46 ◼ ► stuff and be a home controller and be be an apple intelligence serie thing and like all of those
01:10:53 ◼ ► things need to be in this product but sound if if it if that's what it is sounds like a good product
01:10:58 ◼ ► i want one i think he he just described this product before but he's described it as the
01:11:03 ◼ ► expensive one right of being like it's on an arm and it will follow you and stuff right and now and
01:11:10 ◼ ► he always said the little one was just going to be a screen and now he's saying that the little one
01:11:14 ◼ ► is like this so what i think this is going to be is there is the mini version and the regular
01:11:19 ◼ ► version this is the mini version and then the regular version it looks the same but the arm
01:11:24 ◼ ► moves and it's bigger yeah and that's the one that comes second yeah now that makes sense that that
01:11:29 ◼ ► is a strategy that makes sense and i i do wonder if it literally is mark german's vision into this
01:11:34 ◼ ► is coming from a source that doesn't have the whole picture or hasn't described aspects of it
01:11:39 ◼ ► and so he's been saying sort of like it's a smart display where we've all along kind of assumed that
01:11:44 ◼ ► it's going to be a home pod with a screen not just a screen because that's an ipad right and so um
01:11:51 ◼ ► yeah sounds great as as somebody who had an echo show for years and has a google home nest whatever
01:11:55 ◼ ► mini in my kitchen now um i would like an apple one of those instead please right especially if
01:12:02 ◼ ► it does if it does apple intelligence and if it can run like all the video apps that are on apple
01:12:08 ◼ ► tv and and ipad you know like apps as this says so that you can get that stuff on there um great
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01:14:30 ◼ ► first one comes from john who asks have either of you considered exploring youtube in a more direct
01:14:38 ◼ ► form than posting things like podcast recordings that's a good question um i mean six colors has
01:14:45 ◼ ► a channel okay um and there's stuff there um but it's a it's a very large amount of work and
01:14:54 ◼ ► in the end when i've tried it i felt like it didn't really provide a direct benefit for my
01:14:59 ◼ ► job and i've got to focus on the stuff that does and so you know you really if you want to be
01:15:05 ◼ ► making money on youtube you need to spend your time building up youtube and i think a lot of us
01:15:10 ◼ ► have experimented and and done the math and then said this doesn't make sense so and also i i am a
01:15:19 ◼ ► a solo worker it's just me here and for video you kind of start to need help and and like i get a
01:15:28 ◼ ► product to review i gotta review it i gotta write it if i if i gotta do a video i have to shoot the
01:15:34 ◼ ► video myself and edit it myself and like i can do all those things i have those skills but it's a
01:15:42 ◼ ► lot it's a lot so in the end i i largely prioritize other things i always think i'll say this i always
01:15:48 ◼ ► think about it i always think about like if i get an apple product in advance uh do i make a video
01:15:53 ◼ ► review and post that as well as my written review my written review i have to do and then we're
01:15:58 ◼ ► going to podcast about it but like is there room in there for a video review unfortunately most of
01:16:02 ◼ ► the time there's so much going on that all i can do is get the video or get the written review done
01:16:07 ◼ ► i don't have any extra time to do the rest of it and in those cases the youtube video goes down
01:16:16 ◼ ► immediately like that's that's it um dan moran and i do some live streams so that's an example
01:16:22 ◼ ► where we do try to do it um for apple results also for new products that are dropping you know under
01:16:29 ◼ ► embargo if i've got the product or uh you know i will try to do some of that um and that's a little
01:16:39 ◼ ► less heavy lift because it's just a live stream and we're sitting there talking and i'm showing
01:16:42 ◼ ► stuff off that's on my desk and that's a lot easier to do so i do some of that um but you know
01:16:49 ◼ ► that's and then over on the incomparable side i mean we do all our dnd stuff is streamed but like
01:16:53 ◼ ► in terms of the the tech stuff that's the truth of it is if i wanted to stop writing articles and
01:16:59 ◼ ► post youtube videos instead i could do that but i feel like it's not that it would it would kind
01:17:04 ◼ ► of break my existing business and i have no feeling like it would actually replace that with something
01:17:09 ◼ ► new that would be better and so there's no point i just stay with what i've got and that's just sort
01:17:14 ◼ ► of where i am what about you yeah i mean like obviously youtube works if that's the thing you
01:17:17 ◼ ► want to do right but like for us we're already doing things that are successful so adding in
01:17:22 ◼ ► adding youtube in like a native way that that you want to do youtube is is a lot of work right
01:17:27 ◼ ► um yeah and it's hard to do like i have over the years i've i mean i've done every kind of video
01:17:34 ◼ ► type of thing that you could imagine like i've explored all of them just to see what i like
01:17:37 ◼ ► like i've done vlogs i've done video reviews i've streamed um ultimately i just don't enjoy doing
01:17:44 ◼ ► this as much as i love podcasting so like i just focus on that like that's that's kind of where i
01:17:49 ◼ ► am um i do think that for the product stuff of quiltex brand i might start doing some new kind
01:17:56 ◼ ► of video stuff i recently did a thing um on my channel where i showed off some projects that
01:18:01 ◼ ► we're working on and i found it to be like a really interesting and helpful thing to do so
01:18:06 ◼ ► like i could imagine maybe doing more stuff like that in the future but again they're like quote
01:18:11 ◼ ► unquote low budget stuff right like it's not intensely produced stuff it's not really what
01:18:16 ◼ ► i'm planning to do for right now because i just want to be able to if i'm going to do this things
01:18:20 ◼ ► to kind of just do them on my own where if i get help i can make them better but it's not really
01:18:25 ◼ ► what i'm i don't i don't know how core this would be to the business right now so and you know i
01:18:30 ◼ ► think people don't understand a lot of people don't understand with video when you're a professional
01:18:36 ◼ ► media person and a professional content creator the expectation is that the work you do will be
01:18:42 ◼ ► at a professional level here's the thing yes i you know i write articles that are professional
01:18:49 ◼ ► we do podcasts that are professional to generate a video that is not up to the same equivalent
01:18:56 ◼ ► standard right which is a professional looking video if it's a little ramshackle because we're
01:19:01 ◼ ► not professional video makers and we're doing this kind of like as extra time the fact is
01:19:07 ◼ ► i know you think oh well i would be understanding i know that fact is the audiences aren't the
01:19:12 ◼ ► audiences expect you to have a very high quality video presentation yeah and that means so the bar
01:19:19 ◼ ► is high and and i can't you know that is one of my issues is if i'm going to do a video it has to
01:19:28 ◼ ► look good it has to be good and that's even more work than a kind of shoddy video because you know
01:19:34 ◼ ► as a content creating professional people hold me to a higher standard fair or unfair even about
01:19:40 ◼ ► video and so that makes it even harder to do because you know i'm not going to be able to
01:19:46 ◼ ► without a huge amount of work get something that's even close to being at the level that's
01:19:50 ◼ ► why i like live streaming is that a live stream the bar is not as high yeah live stream as a
01:19:55 ◼ ► pre-recorded video still to do it well you've got to put some effort in right like so you got some
01:20:00 ◼ ► lights and stuff like that but yeah it is like that's why i like it too because it's like you
01:20:04 ◼ ► get to like a you get the base and then the content is just it's actually just kind of like podcasting
01:20:10 ◼ ► a lot of the time really yes we can do that but yeah like video reviews and stuff like that is
01:20:16 ◼ ► like for for us would is is a bigger production because if you you know you're right like we are
01:20:23 ◼ ► we have an audience already so i kind of feel this way about like a lot of projects that
01:20:29 ◼ ► i have started over the years and now i think i've kind of gotten my head around a little bit more
01:20:32 ◼ ► that the the audience's expectations are higher and my expectations are higher so i have to feel
01:20:38 ◼ ► like i can make myself and everybody else happy with any new endeavor that i try to go for and
01:20:42 ◼ ► that becomes harder and harder over time yes so it might just be best to just stick to what i'm good
01:20:46 ◼ ► at i have honestly thought about the idea of like i so i reviewed the ipad mini last week and it was
01:20:53 ◼ ► you know i literally reviewed that in an afternoon because i got it monday during the show people who
01:21:01 ◼ ► listen live know i went to get a package yes that was an embargoed ipad mini from apple
01:21:05 ◼ ► and then i spent the afternoon with it and the evening writing a review fortunately lauren was
01:21:11 ◼ ► working an evening so i just i did all that but that that was a quick turnaround because one i
01:21:17 ◼ ► didn't feel like i had that much to say about it because it wasn't that different and two that got
01:21:21 ◼ ► me out at the embargo time which i like to do if i can do it and there wasn't that much to say i
01:21:26 ◼ ► would have not posted it that fast if i felt more there's no way i i was going to make a video right
01:21:31 ◼ ► but i did think about like in other circumstances and i think about this all the time with with um
01:21:38 ◼ ► with product reviews is is there an interim stage where i i'm essentially writing my script when i
01:21:46 ◼ ► write my blog post my written review and could i make a video that it involves some b-roll of the
01:21:53 ◼ ► product that i would have to shoot in proper lighting and all those things that would be
01:21:57 ◼ ► extra work but some b-roll of the product and me looking at my camera essentially reading a version
01:22:05 ◼ ► of my review as a script what would that that's like a video version of a blog post is would that
01:22:12 ◼ ► be good i don't know would it be better than the blog post and better than the podcast about it
01:22:19 ◼ ► probably not but some people might rather watch the youtube video so i think about that stuff but
01:22:25 ◼ ► again even that requires like i gotta get a setup where i'm comfortable looking at a script and
01:22:30 ◼ ► reading it while it looks pretty natural that i'm looking at the camera so am i building a
01:22:35 ◼ ► teleprompter thing or am i just reading it off of my ima or my um studio display uh right like it
01:22:43 ◼ ► gets it it gets a lot more complicated so even something as simple as that where i'm trying to
01:22:47 ◼ ► lower the bar and not write a new video script but just take my existing blog and blog post and read
01:22:53 ◼ ► it and shoot some b-roll like but okay now i've it's already more complicated so yeah it's uh
01:23:01 ◼ ► it's interesting uh you know i think you and i both think about it and i and i try to pick my
01:23:08 ◼ ► spots like with the live streams i feel like that's a better a better fit is hopping on a
01:23:13 ◼ ► live stream i've got a camera above my desk i can hop on a live stream and if i've got a new product
01:23:17 ◼ ► i can show it off and i can take questions live and you know dan can if dan's going to be there
01:23:23 ◼ ► he can feed me questions and we'll talk and we'll you know that's that's i'm a little more
01:23:27 ◼ ► comfortable with that it's a little more like this it's a natural extension of what we do yeah
01:23:31 ◼ ► yeah i think so mike wrote and said i'm loving the photo shuffle home screen that i've put on
01:23:38 ◼ ► my phone in the past when i saw a photo in a widget that i wanted to share i could tap on it
01:23:43 ◼ ► to open photos and share them with my family is there a similar way to share photos from the lock
01:23:48 ◼ ► screen other than screenshotting the lock screen widgets and everything so if you use the photo
01:23:53 ◼ ► shuffle block phase what uh yeah lock screen you'll see images go through right there is
01:24:00 ◼ ► actually a way to get to that image but it is weirdly complicated and the only reason i know
01:24:04 ◼ ► how to do this is i saw underscore do it once so if you see an image on your lock screen and you're
01:24:10 ◼ ► like that's a lovely lock screen of my family i want to send it to my wife or whatever you long
01:24:15 ◼ ► press on the lock screen to go into the edit mode you hit customize you hit the three dots and then
01:24:20 ◼ ► show photo in library i don't know why they make that as complicated as it is but it's the thing
01:24:26 ◼ ► that you can do you know what i mean i feel like if you use the photoshop for locks lock screen
01:24:31 ◼ ► there should just be a button on the lock screen that's like press this button and go to this image
01:24:37 ◼ ► you know um but or like maybe even have it as like a lock screen widget type right it could pop up if
01:24:44 ◼ ► you use that or something but it's funny to me that you can do it but it's that complicated
01:24:50 ◼ ► there is no way to do it that i found on the watch face version um just in case anybody wants to know
01:24:56 ◼ ► and connor wrote in and said given the lack of changes to the new ipad mini would i be better
01:25:02 ◼ ► off buying a 2021 ipad mini and saving some money my parent my primary concern is the jelly scrolling
01:25:08 ◼ ► issue from the 2021 model i don't think i care about apple intelligence in the new chip
01:25:13 ◼ ► well first off we don't know if there's more jelly scrolling or not almost everybody says there isn't
01:25:18 ◼ ► but then some people say that there is and i really believe here's the thing about jelly
01:25:22 ◼ ► scrolling i think it's a perception issue yes where there is a very very small lag that some people
01:25:28 ◼ ► can perceive and some people can't and uh if your concern if your primary concern is jelly scrolling
01:25:37 ◼ ► you shouldn't buy an ipad well i mean you should you should go to the apple store and look at an
01:25:43 ◼ ► ipad mini but you shouldn't buy the 21 model because it's got jelly scrolling according to
01:25:48 ◼ ► the people who see jelly scrolling but how do you know you know you don't even know if you're one of
01:25:51 ◼ ► the people that could see it i know well that's why you got to go to the apple store i so that's
01:25:55 ◼ ► my answer is if you're really worried about it i guess you go you you should get an ipad air instead
01:25:59 ◼ ► it's very hard to tell most of us can't see it it seems like it might be less on this model but
01:26:06 ◼ ► that some people claim they can still see it i'm not entirely sure they aren't at this point seeing
01:26:10 ◼ ► an effect that is it's just so i don't know i mean i i i don't want to say that it doesn't exist
01:26:18 ◼ ► but i'm starting to think that it's a feature of computer displays that some people notice if they
01:26:23 ◼ ► really look closely more than it's a flaw of anything but i just don't know i see the jokes
01:26:29 ◼ ► going on my ipad mini it's fine like i see i've always seen it it's fine i wanted them to fix it
01:26:36 ◼ ► because you shouldn't it shouldn't be there for that money um and i think i think what they've
01:26:40 ◼ ► done is improved it but all devices are susceptible to this because it's just a device controller it's
01:26:47 ◼ ► not something it's not like the ipad mini is specifically there's a problem with it like it's
01:26:52 ◼ ► just every computer can have this issue with the display controller just whatever they did in the
01:26:57 ◼ ► 2021 model made it more susceptible than others uh i just feel like as jason says go go and try and
01:27:04 ◼ ► see one of these devices and see if you see it but even if you do like it i don't think it's a reason
01:27:09 ◼ ► not to buy it like you really have to be scrolling fast to see it and like are you really doing it
01:27:16 ◼ ► that often like like scrolling quickly like i'm just i don't think it's a thing that exists but
01:27:23 ◼ ► i don't think it's a reason to not buy either of these products i had a 2021 ipad mini that i used
01:27:29 ◼ ► for like three years every day and loved it and i could see the jelly scrolling it wasn't a problem
01:27:39 ◼ ► yeah and honestly that's the thing i couldn't get over yeah is that i was scrolling to look at the
01:27:43 ◼ ► jelly scrolling and i was like god it's so terrible because it's 60 hertz and i'm used to an ipad pro
01:27:50 ◼ ► that's at 120 and first off apple should we are all in agreement here i think apple should
01:27:57 ◼ ► give their their non-pro motion displays a a frame rate update go to 90 maybe yeah um but that's the
01:28:06 ◼ ► thing that i found disturbing and distracting about the ipad mini is just that 60 frames is not great
01:28:17 ◼ ► think it's 60 frames is bad so it's very hard for me to see it but like again i believe david pierce
01:28:23 ◼ ► david david pierce uh seems like a solid guy um i like his work and he says he sees it and a few
01:28:29 ◼ ► other people say they see it so i think the answer is you got to be super sensitive to it you got to
01:28:34 ◼ ► be looking for it and then once you notice it my understanding is you never don't notice it and
01:28:38 ◼ ► like the bottom line for connor is if you're concerned with jelly scrolling don't buy an ipad
01:28:43 ◼ ► mini just don't because we know it does it yeah or if you're really the 21 we know does it or at the
01:28:50 ◼ ► very least go to an apple store if you can look at a 24 model and see if you can see it or not before
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