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00:00:00 ◼   ► Hey everybody, we're live from California in a hotel room. Good to be back, gentlemen.

00:00:05 ◼   ► We're here, we're looking at each other. It's a little creepy because we haven't done this in a long time.

00:00:10 ◼   ► We've got a table? We've never had a table before.

00:00:12 ◼   ► Yeah, we're here and yeah, we have a couple of hours to talk and we'll go until we drop dead.

00:00:20 ◼   ► You know, all of us are still mostly on Eastern Times, so we'll see how well this goes.

00:00:24 ◼   ► Why is Casey so much louder than me?

00:00:27 ◼   ► Because Casey just enunciates more than you.

00:00:29 ◼   ► I know, but you've got to turn me up then.

00:00:31 ◼   ► Alright, I got it, I got it. I'll turn Casey down.

00:00:34 ◼   ► Especially if you're going to use a live mix.

00:00:35 ◼   ► I mean, yeah.

00:00:36 ◼   ► Oh yikes.

00:00:37 ◼   ► You're not going to be able to correct it. I'm going to shove this microphone into my face here.

00:00:40 ◼   ► Don't do that, no, I can just do it.

00:00:42 ◼   ► I got you, I got you. You're up to 50 decibels, that should be funny.

00:00:46 ◼   ► I'm old and tired. Once I start yelling, it'll probably be better.

00:00:49 ◼   ► Oh my god.

00:00:49 ◼   ► That'll happen eventually.

00:00:50 ◼   ► Give it time.

00:00:52 ◼   ► I'm going to put a locking wheel nuts on this podcast.

00:00:53 ◼   ► You'll hear about it.

00:00:57 ◼   ► I have a lot of hard dynamic range. HDR. I'm at HDR.

00:01:00 ◼   ► Casey has already gone through a compressor. Everything's the same.

00:01:03 ◼   ► My whispers are low and my under the breath jokes are low, but then I get excited and I'm loud.

00:01:09 ◼   ► That's what you got to deal with.

00:01:10 ◼   ► We're off to a real off-space story.

00:01:12 ◼   ► That's why people like vinyl, that's why people like me.

00:01:14 ◼   ► Did you see my socks? Did you see my socks? Look at this. I know this is terrible audio content.

00:01:18 ◼   ► It's supposed to be records, but they're all warped because it's on a sock.

00:01:21 ◼   ► Then it's even more fitting.

00:01:23 ◼   ► It's exactly like the real thing.

00:01:25 ◼   ► Oh my god.

00:01:27 ◼   ► I apologize for being in person.

00:01:28 ◼   ► I know.

00:01:28 ◼   ► To see Casey's socks.

00:01:29 ◼   ► I have my shoes off too.

00:01:31 ◼   ► Margot.

00:01:32 ◼   ► Yeah, I'm just flat gray.

00:01:33 ◼   ► Oh, you have the white champion.

00:01:34 ◼   ► You have the boring champion white. I got the flat gray Adidas.

00:01:37 ◼   ► I got a great tie.

00:01:38 ◼   ► Really?

00:01:38 ◼   ► It's such a mess.

00:01:40 ◼   ► This is what the bootleg pays for. Sock comparisons.

00:01:43 ◼   ► So only you could smell our feet.

00:01:46 ◼   ► So are we?

00:01:47 ◼   ► Yeah, right.

00:01:48 ◼   ► Yeah, we're walking around in the California June heat all day.

00:01:51 ◼   ► I'm sure they smell fantastic.

00:01:52 ◼   ► They do.

00:01:53 ◼   ► Is this a show? Is this what people come in for?

00:01:55 ◼   ► Oh yeah.

00:01:56 ◼   ► Okay. I got to tell you.

00:01:57 ◼   ► So we're at a circular table, right?

00:01:59 ◼   ► The table is, I don't know what you want.

00:02:01 ◼   ► It's three, four feet across.

00:02:02 ◼   ► So like a meter ish for those of you who have other units.

00:02:06 ◼   ► And I had set a capped water bottle on the table between my computer and John's.

00:02:12 ◼   ► That water bottle was on the table for three and a half seconds before John,

00:02:16 ◼   ► which he's now doing again because I was demonstrating.

00:02:18 ◼   ► They can't see you.

00:02:19 ◼   ► Well, earlier today, earlier today, we were, we were sitting on,

00:02:24 ◼   ► on the ground outside of the Steve Jobs theater lobby,

00:02:28 ◼   ► trying to watch the state of the union.

00:02:29 ◼   ► And we were watching it like there were a big group of us around

00:02:32 ◼   ► and we were watching it on my laptop.

00:02:33 ◼   ► I put my laptop on the ground and just had the screen going

00:02:36 ◼   ► and the speakers up and everything.

00:02:37 ◼   ► And I, and Casey had placed a can of Diet Coke within a foot of my laptop.

00:02:43 ◼   ► Oh, easily three or four inches.

00:02:45 ◼   ► And I took a picture of it.

00:02:46 ◼   ► Oh no, I didn't know that.

00:02:48 ◼   ► Because I thought if this spills onto my laptop,

00:02:51 ◼   ► I'm going to want to have this picture.

00:02:54 ◼   ► Just in case.

00:02:55 ◼   ► Fortunately, I'm very lucky that Casey, in fact,

00:02:59 ◼   ► noticed this was a problem and a few minutes later moved it himself.

00:03:01 ◼   ► He moves it another foot away or so.

00:03:03 ◼   ► My laptop survived being near Casey drink for a few minutes.

00:03:07 ◼   ► Yeah, because we would have had no recording today if that had happened.

00:03:10 ◼   ► And I don't know other computers in this room.

00:03:13 ◼   ► You're right.

00:03:13 ◼   ► It could have happened.

00:03:14 ◼   ► I don't have two ports.

00:03:15 ◼   ► Sorry.

00:03:16 ◼   ► All right.

00:03:20 ◼   ► We should probably get the show on the road.

00:03:21 ◼   ► We have a lot to talk about.

00:03:21 ◼   ► We do.

00:03:22 ◼   ► So John, the ruling is no follow up.

00:03:24 ◼   ► Is that correct?

00:03:25 ◼   ► No time.

00:03:26 ◼   ► No time.

00:03:26 ◼   ► So WWDC 2024.

00:03:31 ◼   ► We are all here as we've mentioned.

00:03:33 ◼   ► I'm very excited for it.

00:03:34 ◼   ► I think I'd mentioned on the show, I was exceedingly anxious and nervous about travel.

00:03:39 ◼   ► And I will just suffice to say there was no travel issues.

00:03:42 ◼   ► Everything worked out.

00:03:42 ◼   ► I'm a big baby, you know, same as it ever was.

00:03:45 ◼   ► So we're all here.

00:03:46 ◼   ► We're safe.

00:03:46 ◼   ► We're sound.

00:03:47 ◼   ► And we got to the Apple Park, you know, like entry way.

00:03:51 ◼   ► And we went through and it was all amazing.

00:03:53 ◼   ► And, you know, John and I are eyes are as big as saucers because, you know, we've never

00:03:56 ◼   ► seen this before.

00:03:57 ◼   ► John is now plucking a piece of dust off of my life.

00:04:00 ◼   ► You don't have to give a play of a play of everything I've been doing.

00:04:02 ◼   ► I'm just proving your life.

00:04:03 ◼   ► So I can't do it remotely.

00:04:06 ◼   ► I've missed you guys so much.

00:04:07 ◼   ► Likewise.

00:04:08 ◼   ► So we go and we got to visit with some other press people, which was awesome.

00:04:13 ◼   ► It was so lovely for me, at least.

00:04:16 ◼   ► I presume it's the same for both of you guys, but it was so lovely having that time where

00:04:21 ◼   ► we were upstairs above where the actual event happens and they served us like breakfast

00:04:25 ◼   ► and whatnot.

00:04:26 ◼   ► And we had some time to just visit with a lot of our peers and friends and it was just very,

00:04:30 ◼   ► very cool.

00:04:30 ◼   ► And we had a couple hours of that.

00:04:33 ◼   ► And then the show started with what I thought and admittedly, I am so giddy about everything

00:04:38 ◼   ► that's happening right now that I'm going to love everything.

00:04:40 ◼   ► But I thought it was a hilarious video of Hair Force One and Schiller and a bunch of

00:04:47 ◼   ► the other presenters in a plane, skydiving out of the plane.

00:04:51 ◼   ► I loved when Craig Federighi put the helmet on.

00:04:55 ◼   ► That was his own hair.

00:04:57 ◼   ► The helmet was in the shape of his own hair.

00:04:59 ◼   ► It made me laugh quite a bit.

00:05:00 ◼   ► Yeah, that was fun.

00:05:02 ◼   ► I loved the video.

00:05:02 ◼   ► Although I will say, first of all, it was amazing that everyone else's hair was getting

00:05:07 ◼   ► blown around except Craig's.

00:05:08 ◼   ► That's got to stay in place, right?

00:05:11 ◼   ► I also loved having Schiller as the pilot.

00:05:15 ◼   ► But he could not have looked less happy to be there.

00:05:18 ◼   ► Also, he's supposed to look old and cranky.

00:05:20 ◼   ► I was kind of surprised I didn't bleep him because his line is, I'm getting too old for

00:05:24 ◼   ► this.

00:05:24 ◼   ► And he said, stuff.

00:05:26 ◼   ► Yep.

00:05:26 ◼   ► An Apple video.

00:05:28 ◼   ► But you know, Phil didn't want to say that.

00:05:29 ◼   ► Then it had him using a click wheel iPod, which that was cute.

00:05:32 ◼   ► And not his age is in spirit.

00:05:35 ◼   ► No, since he came up with the click wheel, you remember?

00:05:38 ◼   ► Oh, that was, oh, I don't think I know.

00:05:39 ◼   ► It was at a meeting, Phil Schiller, but it's public knowledge.

00:05:42 ◼   ► He said it somewhere that it was his idea to have a rotating wheel on the iPod.

00:05:46 ◼   ► Oh, that's cool.

00:05:47 ◼   ► So that's his little feather in his cap.

00:05:48 ◼   ► And he's the grizzled old veteran there.

00:05:50 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:05:51 ◼   ► I think this video, what I liked about it is that it didn't try to be too corporate,

00:05:58 ◼   ► too over the top, too high production.

00:06:01 ◼   ► It was just like a relatively short, relatively light, cute video, just about the event and

00:06:08 ◼   ► a couple of fun execs.

00:06:08 ◼   ► And then that was it.

00:06:09 ◼   ► Like there was no major statement they're trying to make.

00:06:12 ◼   ► They're not trying to be grand and show off how amazing everyone's lives are being saved

00:06:16 ◼   ► by it.

00:06:17 ◼   ► It was just a nice, simple intro to a developer show.

00:06:20 ◼   ► That video could have been made 10 years ago and we would have, well, everyone would have

00:06:24 ◼   ► a little bit less gray hair, but not that I could be talking, but I feel like that was

00:06:29 ◼   ► more of the spirit of the event than I think many of their more recent efforts with these

00:06:34 ◼   ► like preproduced fancy videos that have been very much like just very overproduced,

00:06:39 ◼   ► very like over polished, over corporate, over the top.

00:06:41 ◼   ► I like this.

00:06:42 ◼   ► This was a good fit for the event.

00:06:43 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:06:44 ◼   ► One thing you missed out on if you weren't here live, like we were, yay, is the two minutes

00:06:48 ◼   ► when Tim Cook and Craig come out on stage and just for the live people, you don't see

00:06:53 ◼   ► this in the movie.

00:06:54 ◼   ► And Craig introduced it by saying, and we have so much to announce today, we don't have

00:06:58 ◼   ► time for one of our normal videos where we have this all over.

00:07:01 ◼   ► So it's no over the top video, no silly things or whatever.

00:07:04 ◼   ► We're just going to get right to the facts.

00:07:06 ◼   ► And I think that intro helped like the undercutting, it helped to make that video land better because

00:07:11 ◼   ► I was thinking if I had seen this video at home without hearing Craig's enter, I'd be

00:07:14 ◼   ► like, oh, another one of these Apple things where they pretend they're secret agents and

00:07:17 ◼   ► do a thing.

00:07:18 ◼   ► But because he undercut it so thoroughly and so well live that when it started playing

00:07:22 ◼   ► it, it showed them jumping out of a plane.

00:07:24 ◼   ► And it was, it's so clearly like ridiculous and self-deprecating.

00:07:27 ◼   ► They're now parodying themselves.

00:07:29 ◼   ► And that is a much better look than let's say crushing trombone and a hydraulic press.

00:07:34 ◼   ► Yes.

00:07:35 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:07:35 ◼   ► I mean, it was huge dad energy, but here we are three dads.

00:07:38 ◼   ► So I loved it.

00:07:39 ◼   ► But yeah, they went just broadly and we'll obviously pick apart everything, but broadly

00:07:45 ◼   ► they went real fast and it was apparent pretty quickly that they were moving with a quickness.

00:07:50 ◼   ► And you know, we were sitting next to each other.

00:07:52 ◼   ► And I had Jason Snell to my right and Jason pointed out to me, like they're rounding out

00:07:59 ◼   ► the main like stretch of content.

00:08:02 ◼   ► And it was like, it was 11 o'clock Pacific or something like that.

00:08:05 ◼   ► They said that on the intro, they have the, the, the parachutes open, had the name of

00:08:08 ◼   ► the OSS and they said, we're going to do all of our OSS before we get onto the other stuff.

00:08:11 ◼   ► They had something like that.

00:08:12 ◼   ► And again, forgive people listening at home.

00:08:14 ◼   ► Like you may have had time to review the keynote video.

00:08:16 ◼   ► We have not, we've been busy all day, but yeah, there was an interesting approach to

00:08:20 ◼   ► just say, you know, the parachutes have the OSS.

00:08:22 ◼   ► They're going to go through all the OSS and they mentioned AI features, but they always

00:08:26 ◼   ► said like machine learning.

00:08:27 ◼   ► You made notes of it at a couple of times.

00:08:28 ◼   ► They would say, oh, there's a machine learning feature this, that, but you know, anyway,

00:08:31 ◼   ► we'll get to the big, uh, the big AI stuff at the end.

00:08:34 ◼   ► But they, they wanted to get their OSS out of the way, but there was so much content.

00:08:38 ◼   ► Like Casey was trying to take notes on it and I was trying to help and it was going

00:08:42 ◼   ► so fast.

00:08:42 ◼   ► We couldn't keep up with typing.

00:08:44 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:08:44 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:08:44 ◼   ► It was, it was incredible.

00:08:45 ◼   ► So, uh, moving through, oh, do we want to do like an overview upfront or we just want

00:08:50 ◼   ► to plow through it.

00:08:50 ◼   ► We got an order.

00:08:51 ◼   ► All right.

00:08:52 ◼   ► So, uh, well, excuse me, Apple TV plus.

00:08:55 ◼   ► That's right.

00:08:56 ◼   ► Oh yeah.

00:08:56 ◼   ► I literally, I took a break during the TV plus promo to write an email.

00:08:59 ◼   ► I'm like, I had to send this email to him this morning.

00:09:02 ◼   ► I'm like, this seems like a good time.

00:09:04 ◼   ► I'm excited about those shows, but I don't want to be spoiled on them.

00:09:07 ◼   ► You don't like, I'm going to watch the new season of severance and silo no matter what

00:09:10 ◼   ► you show me.

00:09:11 ◼   ► So I was kind of trying to avert my eyes, but yeah, that was there.

00:09:13 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:09:13 ◼   ► It was the thing.

00:09:14 ◼   ► It was apparently fifth anniversary of Apple TV plus.

00:09:16 ◼   ► So there was that.

00:09:16 ◼   ► Honestly, I mean, look, TV plus, I think it has turned out pretty well.

00:09:19 ◼   ► It's a great service.

00:09:20 ◼   ► There's a lot of great content on there and it got exactly as much time during a developer

00:09:25 ◼   ► keynote as I should have.

00:09:26 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:09:26 ◼   ► I mean, that's pretty good.

00:09:27 ◼   ► I would argue that I might be zero, but yeah, well, yeah.

00:09:29 ◼   ► Although I will say so a little inside baseball and I'm not,

00:09:32 ◼   ► I can't resist because it's my first time.

00:09:34 ◼   ► It was definitely loud during, during the like big cut sequences.

00:09:40 ◼   ► We should have used Margo's at concert head clubs.

00:09:41 ◼   ► That's true.

00:09:42 ◼   ► I didn't even think about it.

00:09:45 ◼   ► It's so true, but all my word, it was so loud during anything that was like, not just somebody

00:09:50 ◼   ► talking at you.

00:09:51 ◼   ► It was astonishingly loud.

00:09:52 ◼   ► It was very clear though.

00:09:53 ◼   ► I have to say it was so clear that like, because actual live Tim Cook comes out on stage and

00:09:58 ◼   ► talks into a microphone and then recorded Tim Cook came and they sounded exactly the

00:10:01 ◼   ► same.

00:10:02 ◼   ► That's true.

00:10:02 ◼   ► So anyway, so vision OS, like Mark, what's that a moment ago?

00:10:06 ◼   ► So Mike Rockwell comes out, uh, 1.5 million compatible apps.

00:10:09 ◼   ► I think it was Ben McCarthy had sent me a screenshot of what appeared to be a little

00:10:14 ◼   ► baby call sheet icon somewhere in the mass.

00:10:17 ◼   ► I was looking for it.

00:10:18 ◼   ► It was hard.

00:10:18 ◼   ► I was looking for it.

00:10:19 ◼   ► I couldn't tell, but we were seated relatively far away from the screen, which that sounds

00:10:24 ◼   ► like a complaint.

00:10:25 ◼   ► It actually wasn't.

00:10:25 ◼   ► It was chosen deliberately.

00:10:26 ◼   ► We wanted to be in the shade because we wanted to be in the shade.

00:10:29 ◼   ► So we were seated fairly far back and I tried to look and I haven't had the chance to go

00:10:33 ◼   ► back.

00:10:33 ◼   ► Like one of you just said to look at the video and see it.

00:10:35 ◼   ► But, uh, that would be my first keynote appearance if, if that's, if that's what happened.

00:10:39 ◼   ► So that's extremely exciting.

00:10:41 ◼   ► No, they had that.

00:10:42 ◼   ► Well, I guess, I guess the ATP podcast was in a session.

00:10:45 ◼   ► That's true.

00:10:46 ◼   ► That's the keynote.

00:10:47 ◼   ► Not on the keynote.

00:10:47 ◼   ► Um, so anyway, so one half million compatible apps.

00:10:50 ◼   ► And then we had a Haley Allen come out to talk about just vision, vision, West improvements.

00:10:55 ◼   ► Um, I'm trying to just skip over the stuff.

00:10:57 ◼   ► That's not that exciting.

00:10:58 ◼   ► Go to the stuff that I find exciting.

00:10:59 ◼   ► First of all, iOS.

00:11:01 ◼   ► Oh, stop.

00:11:02 ◼   ► Well played.

00:11:02 ◼   ► But, but still, uh, so yeah, so converting 2d images into 3d using quote advanced machine

00:11:09 ◼   ► learning.

00:11:09 ◼   ► I thought that was very cool.

00:11:10 ◼   ► Yeah, we'll see how it works.

00:11:12 ◼   ► It may be garbage.

00:11:13 ◼   ► It may be great.

00:11:13 ◼   ► I mean, it's just gotta be the subject detection, right?

00:11:15 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:11:15 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:11:16 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:11:16 ◼   ► And trying to figure out like, you know, how much depth certain subjects would naturally

00:11:20 ◼   ► have and maybe what the side of their head might slightly look like.

00:11:23 ◼   ► I mean, they're not, they're not the first for people to try to do this.

00:11:26 ◼   ► It's going to be a little weird.

00:11:28 ◼   ► I'm sure it will be fine if they do it with great subtlety.

00:11:31 ◼   ► It should be fine in most cases.

00:11:33 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:11:33 ◼   ► Like, uh, Facebook, I think I've never actually used like this feature, but I believe it has

00:11:38 ◼   ► something where you can take a 2d video and it'll do like a parallax effect between the

00:11:43 ◼   ► foreground and the background.

00:11:44 ◼   ► I presume to, to y'all's point that it's something like that.

00:11:46 ◼   ► Um, they did mention, and I forget exactly how they were, um, how they were describing

00:11:51 ◼   ► it, but the gist of it was it's very annoying sometimes to, to try to figure out the battery

00:11:57 ◼   ► level and the time on vision OS.

00:11:59 ◼   ► What you're supposed to do today is you look up, up, up, up, up, up, up, and there's like

00:12:03 ◼   ► a little gray circle with a down Chevron, and then you do a pinch gesture and that'll

00:12:07 ◼   ► drop down like control center, whatever.

00:12:09 ◼   ► And they say that what you can do is you can flip your hand.

00:12:12 ◼   ► So your palm up and that'll, it'll detect that and show like time and battery.

00:12:16 ◼   ► And then you can flip your hand over for control center, which if that works well, I think

00:12:20 ◼   ► that'll be really neat.

00:12:21 ◼   ► And the home gesture too.

00:12:22 ◼   ► Like that was the thing, because right now to go home, you have to reach your hand up

00:12:25 ◼   ► to the physical digital crown on the headset and push it.

00:12:29 ◼   ► And then with this, now that you can just have your hand palm up and squeeze together,

00:12:32 ◼   ► I think there's something, there's some kind of gesture as the home button, which that's

00:12:36 ◼   ► a good improvement.

00:12:36 ◼   ► Um, you know, vision OS, the more you can avoid constant hand motion, you know, the

00:12:40 ◼   ► less fatiguing it will be over time for all the control center thing.

00:12:44 ◼   ► Like they put it up high, like it's a balance.

00:12:45 ◼   ► They don't want it to be in your eye line.

00:12:47 ◼   ► So you accidentally trigger it, but then they don't want it to be too high.

00:12:50 ◼   ► So it's annoying.

00:12:51 ◼   ► But it is like, it's kind of important for it to be out of the way.

00:12:53 ◼   ► And that's why I think it's annoying to go cause the people you don't look up that with

00:12:57 ◼   ► your eyes, especially with your eyeballs.

00:12:58 ◼   ► Cause you can't just look up with your head.

00:12:59 ◼   ► Well, I guess you can, but it's just, no, if you look up with your head, you still got

00:13:03 ◼   ► to look up with your eyes.

00:13:04 ◼   ► It's weird.

00:13:04 ◼   ► It's, it's intentionally inaccessible and the hand gestures seem great.

00:13:07 ◼   ► Although I do wonder if they're kind of, kind of like how you burn, like a, you know, a

00:13:11 ◼   ► command click or whatever in an app.

00:13:13 ◼   ► Like how many hand gestures are they going to have us doing by year five of this thing?

00:13:17 ◼   ► We're making the spells from the one.

00:13:18 ◼   ► I was going to say the same thing.

00:13:20 ◼   ► It's so true.

00:13:21 ◼   ► So, all right.

00:13:21 ◼   ► So in the interest of moving along quickly, Mac virtual display, getting some big updates

00:13:24 ◼   ► later this year, which I am genuinely super excited about.

00:13:28 ◼   ► I I'm not using my vision pro that frequently, although it did on the plane on the way here

00:13:32 ◼   ► and it was wonderful.

00:13:33 ◼   ► But one of the things I do love about it is Mac virtual display.

00:13:36 ◼   ► And they're saying that again, it was going so fast.

00:13:40 ◼   ► I might be flubbing the details and that's true of basically everything we're about to

00:13:42 ◼   ► talk about for the next hour and a half.

00:13:44 ◼   ► But they said it was a much higher display resolution and size.

00:13:48 ◼   ► And they said something along the lines of it's the equivalent of two 4k screens.

00:13:53 ◼   ► But the way it was presented was like one just obscene ultra wide, like PC, PC ultra

00:14:00 ◼   ► wide monitors, but a virtual version.

00:14:01 ◼   ► It's basically like, you know, eight K by two K or whatever.

00:14:04 ◼   ► Right.

00:14:04 ◼   ► And what was interesting about this was they made brief mention that what's happening here

00:14:09 ◼   ► to make this work and look OK is that they're doing the dynamic foveation stuff that they

00:14:14 ◼   ► do for the entire OS for vision OS that is, but they're doing it for Mac virtual display

00:14:19 ◼   ► on the Mac.

00:14:20 ◼   ► So I guess they're live transmitting where your eyes are looking so that so that the

00:14:25 ◼   ► Mac will render.

00:14:25 ◼   ► I think they're doing that for bandwidth reasons because then they don't have to send the full

00:14:29 ◼   ► resolution display to the headset.

00:14:31 ◼   ► They can just, they can send a crappier version, but with a higher res of where you're looking,

00:14:34 ◼   ► which allows them to, I don't know what the limitation is.

00:14:37 ◼   ► It's like, is it a video memory or something or whatever the M2's limits are, but it's

00:14:41 ◼   ► clear that if they could have just said, okay, well just, you got a bigger screen now and

00:14:45 ◼   ► just not deal with this, they would have done it.

00:14:46 ◼   ► This is more complicated.

00:14:47 ◼   ► So yeah, yeah, very much so.

00:14:48 ◼   ► And then it was funny.

00:14:49 ◼   ► I have not looked at Mastodon all day, but I did see a handful of people send me a text

00:14:53 ◼   ► as soon as they mentioned that train support is now support will be supported in travel

00:14:57 ◼   ► mode.

00:14:57 ◼   ► I, I, it's hilarious to me that an American of all people is the one who is known for

00:15:01 ◼   ► using the vision pro on the train, but here I am.

00:15:04 ◼   ► I mean, only Americans can buy it.

00:15:06 ◼   ► So that's good point.

00:15:07 ◼   ► All right.

00:15:07 ◼   ► I take it all back.

00:15:08 ◼   ► Although soon there'll be opening another country.

00:15:10 ◼   ► Yeah, that's true.

00:15:10 ◼   ► I mean, yeah.

00:15:11 ◼   ► And so actually we can, we can jump right over there.

00:15:13 ◼   ► I mean, it's just very quickly.

00:15:14 ◼   ► There's apparently going to be a physical lens for certain Canon cameras.

00:15:17 ◼   ► I don't know, Marco, if you call it, which models for the EOS R7, Canon has this whole

00:15:22 ◼   ► new line of the mirrorless cameras that replace other big ones.

00:15:24 ◼   ► The R7 is one of the big great ones.

00:15:26 ◼   ► And there's a new Canon spatial lens that will allow native spatial video capture.

00:15:31 ◼   ► They say Final Cut Pro for Mac can edit it.

00:15:34 ◼   ► They said specifically for Mac, so I guess too bad for the iPad people.

00:15:37 ◼   ► And it's viewable in the new Vimeo app for Vision OS, which is interesting.

00:15:41 ◼   ► And then they also announced some deals integration with Blackmagic and DaVinci Resolve

00:15:46 ◼   ► for Apple immersive video.

00:15:48 ◼   ► That's the 180 degree field of view with the 8K res for production of that.

00:15:53 ◼   ► So they're basically, and then they said there's new Apple immersive video content on the way.

00:15:58 ◼   ► Yes.

00:15:59 ◼   ► So we will very slowly have new stuff coming to the vision pro.

00:16:03 ◼   ► Great.

00:16:03 ◼   ► I mean, and what's interesting too is like almost everything else we're going to talk

00:16:07 ◼   ► about is like they were very clear.

00:16:09 ◼   ► They kept saying that, you know, all these like new features and everything are coming

00:16:12 ◼   ► to quote a Mac, iPhone and iPad.

00:16:15 ◼   ► It was very clear.

00:16:18 ◼   ► None of this stuff is coming to Vision OS, at least not yet.

00:16:20 ◼   ► And the only reason I can think like it has the hardware, it has an M2 and that's, you

00:16:25 ◼   ► know, they, it goes down to M1 iPads and Macs.

00:16:28 ◼   ► So we know it's, it's like, you know, the hardware is compatible.

00:16:31 ◼   ► So I guess the only reason is like, they just haven't gotten to it.

00:16:34 ◼   ► I think those code bases are just too far diverged.

00:16:37 ◼   ► Like if you think about photos and vision, no S that's not a shared code base with the

00:16:41 ◼   ► other platforms.

00:16:42 ◼   ► Why not?

00:16:43 ◼   ► When they made it, they knew they were going to have to unify shared ish, but it's, you

00:16:47 ◼   ► know, they were so isolated for so long that there's enough of a divergence and they have

00:16:51 ◼   ► to work on their 2.0 features that I under kind of understand why they didn't get, I'm

00:16:54 ◼   ► assuming they will eventually as they converge further, but right now it kind of makes sense

00:16:59 ◼   ► to me.

00:17:00 ◼   ► I think the vision pro user base such as it is probably really needs to see like signs

00:17:08 ◼   ► of support from Apple.

00:17:09 ◼   ► And I don't think they really got a lot of that today.

00:17:11 ◼   ► I think they got a small amount of support, but all the cool features that they demoed

00:17:16 ◼   ► for everything else, all their other platforms really are all their other major platforms.

00:17:20 ◼   ► They like none of it's available for vision.

00:17:21 ◼   ► It was, and I think that's, that's kind of a weird miss at this point.

00:17:24 ◼   ► Well, the rumor was that they, that, you know, Craig Federi, he got religion about chat,

00:17:29 ◼   ► GPT in 2022.

00:17:30 ◼   ► So that gave all the other platforms two years to be figuring out how they're going to integrate

00:17:36 ◼   ► this.

00:17:36 ◼   ► And vision pro hadn't even shipped at that point is, but it's only been out for whatever

00:17:40 ◼   ► four or six months.

00:17:41 ◼   ► Like they're, they're just behind.

00:17:43 ◼   ► I, I, you know, it's kind of a shame cause they really want to promote this.

00:17:47 ◼   ► I knew that vision pro, I had it as the very first item in the schedule.

00:17:51 ◼   ► I didn't predict that TV plus would be in there.

00:17:53 ◼   ► You know, they want to talk about it cause it's their latest platform.

00:17:55 ◼   ► But so your point, Marco, they had the least to say about it.

00:17:58 ◼   ► It's not, it's not in on this party kind of like me with my Intel Mac.

00:18:01 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:18:02 ◼   ► Well, just very briefly, I wonder if, cause obviously an M2 is on the surface, it supports

00:18:10 ◼   ► all this new Apple intelligence stuff, which we'll talk about later, but I can't help but

00:18:13 ◼   ► wonder, it seems like the vision pro is running at the edge of what the M2 is capable of just

00:18:19 ◼   ► doing normal vision pro stuff.

00:18:21 ◼   ► I almost wonder if there just wasn't enough, not literal bandwidth, but figurative bandwidth

00:18:25 ◼   ► to like layer all this other stuff.

00:18:26 ◼   ► It's got the R1 doing a lot of stuff there.

00:18:28 ◼   ► Oh, that's true.

00:18:28 ◼   ► That's a good thing.

00:18:29 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:18:29 ◼   ► And the M2, I mean, the M2 is very strong.

00:18:31 ◼   ► Like I don't think, I don't think that's the problem.

00:18:34 ◼   ► I think it's just about like, they didn't, they just didn't have the time or the software

00:18:39 ◼   ► resources.

00:18:39 ◼   ► I don't know, whatever it was.

00:18:40 ◼   ► Half the apps that the AI stuff integrates with weren't even native.

00:18:43 ◼   ► So maybe we'll get it.

00:18:47 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:18:47 ◼   ► Well, we'll see.

00:18:48 ◼   ► It should make it easier actually.

00:18:49 ◼   ► Just here, run the iPad version.

00:18:50 ◼   ► So anyway, so yeah, to wrap up vision pro, I tried to copy down the countries and when,

00:18:55 ◼   ► and I failed miserably, so I don't have details.

00:18:57 ◼   ► But suffice to say, there's a handful of countries sometime in the next couple of weeks.

00:19:02 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:19:02 ◼   ► June 28th was China, Japan, and Singapore.

00:19:04 ◼   ► And then July 12th was Australia, Canada, France, Germany.

00:19:07 ◼   ► And then there was one of the one that I went to by too fast.

00:19:10 ◼   ► We were right down.

00:19:10 ◼   ► Exactly.

00:19:11 ◼   ► So I mean, this to me was a B, you know, like it was, it was good.

00:19:17 ◼   ► There was nothing that really wowed me.

00:19:18 ◼   ► There's nothing that made me think, oh, thank God this is going to change.

00:19:21 ◼   ► And you think, again, we're talking about this a day off.

00:19:23 ◼   ► There's gotta be more.

00:19:24 ◼   ► They just didn't, they just didn't fit into the keynote.

00:19:26 ◼   ► Once people install these betas in future episodes, we'll talk about how you can rearrange

00:19:29 ◼   ► icons in the home screen or something.

00:19:31 ◼   ► They just didn't make the keynote or whatever.

00:19:32 ◼   ► Yeah, but this was, this was acceptable.

00:19:34 ◼   ► Like I wasn't overly jazzed about this.

00:19:37 ◼   ► I mean, I am pretty jazzed about Mac virtual display to be honest with you, but it didn't

00:19:41 ◼   ► seem to take away any of the problems that people are having with vision OS in terms

00:19:45 ◼   ► of how difficult it is for like text entry, for example.

00:19:47 ◼   ► So we'll, we'll see what happens, but we.

00:19:49 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:19:49 ◼   ► If you didn't like vision OS before, you still won't like it.

00:19:52 ◼   ► If you liked it before you might, you have a few, a few improvements, some of which might

00:19:56 ◼   ► mean a lot to you.

00:19:57 ◼   ► Most of it probably won't.

00:19:58 ◼   ► Yeah, exactly right.

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00:21:45 ◼   ► So do we want to have a sidebar about the the Gurman rumor thing or do we want to put

00:21:51 ◼   ► that aside?

00:21:52 ◼   ► I'll tell you what.

00:21:52 ◼   ► So I'm obviously leading up.

00:21:54 ◼   ► Gurman always has lots of rumors, right?

00:21:55 ◼   ► There was the he basically had a ton of info right beforehand.

00:21:59 ◼   ► I didn't even look at it because I was at this point like we were so close.

00:22:02 ◼   ► I think I was already on the plane when it came out and I'm like, I don't even I don't

00:22:05 ◼   ► even want to be spoiled at this point.

00:22:07 ◼   ► I'm close enough now.

00:22:08 ◼   ► I'm like I'm in the mode.

00:22:09 ◼   ► I'm in like the very like, you know, theatrical like I want to I want to see the performance.

00:22:13 ◼   ► So, you know, I don't whatever he got like I've since heard afterwards.

00:22:18 ◼   ► He has very impressive sourcing.

00:22:19 ◼   ► Obviously, he he really is dominating the entire rumor game almost entirely by himself.

00:22:24 ◼   ► I am glad that he provides us content throughout the year to talk about but when it comes down

00:22:30 ◼   ► to like two days beforehand dumping an entire presentation, I don't I don't find a lot of

00:22:35 ◼   ► value in that to be honest.

00:22:36 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:22:37 ◼   ► So, you know, I recognize I'm not this is not the universal opinion of everybody who

00:22:41 ◼   ► ever, you know, reads news sites and we've certainly been guilty of, you know, seeing

00:22:44 ◼   ► these things ourselves and having fun with them sometimes but there's something like

00:22:48 ◼   ► a certain limit on how much I want things to be spoiled and that that was that seemed

00:22:52 ◼   ► like it was past it for me.

00:22:54 ◼   ► Yeah, and that's fair.

00:22:55 ◼   ► So anyway, so a lot of this we already knew if we had read the Mark Erman report but starts

00:23:01 ◼   ► with the home screen.

00:23:02 ◼   ► You can rearrange icons on springboard.

00:23:04 ◼   ► So they had a picture of a dog.

00:23:06 ◼   ► If I recall correctly, the dog's head is in like the upper left hand corner of the home

00:23:09 ◼   ► screen as I'm sorry, the dog was like the background of the home screen or what have

00:23:13 ◼   ► you dog's head is in the upper left.

00:23:14 ◼   ► So Craig arranges, you know, icons.

00:23:17 ◼   ► I think maybe there was a top row laterally and then there was a bunch of icons on the

00:23:20 ◼   ► right hand side and some icons on the bottom and it seemed like it was relatively easy

00:23:26 ◼   ► like whatever the new jiggle mode is.

00:23:28 ◼   ► It seemed like whatever he did, he did it quickly in it.

00:23:31 ◼   ► I don't think it was like a sequence is shortened sort of situation, although he didn't show

00:23:35 ◼   ► how he picked up a bunch of app icons somehow and then he just showed him dropping a group

00:23:39 ◼   ► of them.

00:23:39 ◼   ► The normal way where you grab one and then you tap a bunch of other ones and they join

00:23:42 ◼   ► the group, right?

00:23:43 ◼   ► He probably should have shown that just because most people don't even know you can do that.

00:23:46 ◼   ► Yeah, it is kind of complicated.

00:23:47 ◼   ► I mean, so we talk about the difficulty rearranging icons in the home screen and obviously people

00:23:51 ◼   ► do want to leave spaces and they've been using spacer icons and this helps them for not.

00:23:54 ◼   ► But if you can clear space on any of your screens, this should make it slightly easier

00:24:01 ◼   ► to rearrange because one of the most annoying things is how they, whatever you do, it wants

00:24:05 ◼   ► to fill the hole like it'll pull one from the previous screen and they all just want

00:24:09 ◼   ► to like they just want to compress into this big, you know, like you can't leave holes.

00:24:13 ◼   ► You can't.

00:24:14 ◼   ► If you know you're going to put something in a spot, there's no way to leave that spot

00:24:17 ◼   ► open and that makes it so difficult.

00:24:19 ◼   ► And that's why, like when you, you know, you remove an icon, everything shuffles up and

00:24:23 ◼   ► then one from the previous screen goes and shuffles in.

00:24:25 ◼   ► I hope that what the way they've done it has made the icons less obsessed with being right

00:24:30 ◼   ► next to each other or you can actually make holes because that's the point of this feature.

00:24:33 ◼   ► And I know people want this, so, you know, good job in iOS 18, the 18th version of the

00:24:38 ◼   ► phone operating system by allowing people to do something that they've been doing for

00:24:42 ◼   ► years and years using blank icons.

00:24:44 ◼   ► Indeed.

00:24:45 ◼   ► So they also announced that icons will darken in dark mode and the implication and from

00:24:51 ◼   ► what little I've gleaned since the keynote is that this does not require developer input.

00:24:56 ◼   ► Although I think we've since learned that that you can provide alternative versions

00:25:01 ◼   ► of your icon and that additionally you can customize all of your icons collectively in

00:25:09 ◼   ► one shot with a tint color.

00:25:10 ◼   ► And again, now I'm not so clear what is what is what developer input is required for that

00:25:17 ◼   ► or is or do they do it all magically?

00:25:19 ◼   ► I think we had seen a screenshot that one of our friends had taken of like their home

00:25:24 ◼   ► screen and with a red tint and that was with, you know, today's icon.

00:25:27 ◼   ► So that makes me think you don't have to opt into it as a developer.

00:25:30 ◼   ► That's right.

00:25:30 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:25:31 ◼   ► Like it seems like you can opt in as a developer and provide them with separate icon assets

00:25:36 ◼   ► that are maybe more optimized for it.

00:25:37 ◼   ► But even if you don't, they will still do it anyway, which I think, you know, this is

00:25:41 ◼   ► what we were saying the other week that we were saying like, wow, it kind of seems like

00:25:43 ◼   ► that would be a bit risky with like big brand recognition and things, but they did it anyway.

00:25:48 ◼   ► And so I think that's a it's a great move for users.

00:25:50 ◼   ► Do we know if it's like every home screen when you pick this color?

00:25:54 ◼   ► Is it per home screen?

00:25:55 ◼   ► Because I had originally thought when this rumor I thought it was per icon, but that

00:25:58 ◼   ► seems to be not the case, right?

00:25:59 ◼   ► They only showed whole homes, home screens were like all the icons are right tinted or

00:26:03 ◼   ► as far as I know, it's the entire screen, but it, but is it per like, if I go to a different

00:26:07 ◼   ► page, we'll find out, but it's interesting.

00:26:08 ◼   ► Like, and the way that it looked like they're doing it, I don't know if this is how they're

00:26:11 ◼   ► doing it, but it looks as if they turned all the icons black and white and then all the

00:26:15 ◼   ► things that were whitish become pinkish, become greenish, you know, whatever.

00:26:18 ◼   ► Like that's what it looks like.

00:26:19 ◼   ► If you don't have any sort of customization, that's how it tints your icons and that's

00:26:23 ◼   ► not going to look great in some cases.

00:26:24 ◼   ► And you know, it's like my, my main objection to this feature is that I just don't think

00:26:28 ◼   ► it would be attractive.

00:26:29 ◼   ► Like I think people should be able to change their icons, so whatever they want and they

00:26:33 ◼   ► can with the stupid shortcut thing, which is annoying, just, you know, make whatever

00:26:35 ◼   ► icon you want, make a shortcut.

00:26:37 ◼   ► You can pick any icon you want.

00:26:38 ◼   ► It would be nice if you could sort of just hold on an icon and say, I want to change

00:26:41 ◼   ► this icon and here's what I want to change it to, but that's not really this feature.

00:26:46 ◼   ► It's tinting it's developer support for, you know, custom icons for dark mode.

00:26:50 ◼   ► And it's so you can give your home screens a theme and they, and it will pick the theme

00:26:55 ◼   ► based on your background.

00:26:55 ◼   ► If your background is yellowish, we'll make all your icons yellowish and so on.

00:26:59 ◼   ► So I, you know, and apparently there's an Android feature that is very, very similar

00:27:02 ◼   ► to this.

00:27:02 ◼   ► So it makes sense that they pulled this out because it's a kind of, I guess, switching

00:27:05 ◼   ► feature.

00:27:05 ◼   ► Like people on Android are used to being able to do this now they can do it on iOS too.

00:27:09 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:27:09 ◼   ► And I think if they did this in a very Apple way of like, you know, there, there's this

00:27:12 ◼   ► whole industry out there of these apps that let people customize their home screens and

00:27:16 ◼   ► they, they do it through, as we mentioned, you know, all these ridiculous hacks to get

00:27:20 ◼   ► that, to be able to do per icon customization and, you know, to arbitrary icons.

00:27:24 ◼   ► You know, you can, you can have all these apps that will help you install a really aesthetic

00:27:28 ◼   ► theme for your home screen.

00:27:30 ◼   ► And you can have this and it'll show you hundreds of things.

00:27:32 ◼   ► You can buy packs of them and everything.

00:27:34 ◼   ► And they work through all these, you know, terrible means.

00:27:36 ◼   ► What Apple did here is not remove the need for all those apps and not remove their market

00:27:41 ◼   ► at all.

00:27:42 ◼   ► What they did here was give you like the 20% solutions.

00:27:46 ◼   ► Like here, if you want to customize your home screen, okay, we'll give you the, this very

00:27:50 ◼   ► limited, like guardrailed safe way to do it.

00:27:53 ◼   ► And we'll give you these, you know, these 10 options that you can pick or whatever.

00:27:57 ◼   ► Although actually the free form color picker was nice, but like, you know, we're going

00:27:59 ◼   ► to give you these, these very limited controls.

00:28:02 ◼   ► You can do a small subset of customization.

00:28:04 ◼   ► It's still very gated, very limited, very safe, but we will let you do this.

00:28:10 ◼   ► And so that's going to be great.

00:28:11 ◼   ► A lot of people are going to do that.

00:28:12 ◼   ► And at the same time, it's not going to at all affect the market for the apps that go

00:28:15 ◼   ► way further than that.

00:28:16 ◼   ► Yep.

00:28:18 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:28:18 ◼   ► I mean, we'll see what happens with it, but I I'm excited because it seems like there's

00:28:22 ◼   ► a need for this or want for this, if nothing else.

00:28:24 ◼   ► And now Apple satisfying it.

00:28:26 ◼   ► You're going to make your whole home screen yellow?

00:28:28 ◼   ► No, no, I'm not.

00:28:29 ◼   ► But it would match your car if it did.

00:28:31 ◼   ► Control center.

00:28:32 ◼   ► So you're going to be able to swipe vertically between different pages.

00:28:36 ◼   ► And what I thought was most interesting is that, and this is the beginning of, I feel

00:28:40 ◼   ► like we heard a lot about the Intents API in several places that it becomes important.

00:28:44 ◼   ► And I think Marco, you had said over the last few weeks or months that you saw this, you

00:28:49 ◼   ► know, this, the tea leaves pointing this way and it sure seems like you were dead, right?

00:28:53 ◼   ► So anyways, third parties can donate controls to control center, which is really, really

00:28:57 ◼   ► fun.

00:28:58 ◼   ► So the canonical example that they used was like, Hey, if you have a Ford and you can

00:29:02 ◼   ► unlock your Ford remotely, well, if the Ford app supports it, you can have a control center

00:29:08 ◼   ► icon that, that is unlock my car.

00:29:11 ◼   ► And then they additionally said that lock screen controls are now going to be swipeable.

00:29:17 ◼   ► And which I think is very interesting and exciting.

00:29:20 ◼   ► And while that, although I don't remember if it was mentioned here, while I'm thinking

00:29:23 ◼   ► of it, another thing that they mentioned at some point today was that third party camera

00:29:27 ◼   ► apps, there will be an API to have a third party camera app work while the phone is locked.

00:29:32 ◼   ► Correct.

00:29:33 ◼   ► And that is tremendous news for my dear friend, Ben McCarthy.

00:29:37 ◼   ► And, you know, a lot of other people who have third party camera apps, because that is a

00:29:41 ◼   ► real stumbling point because the fastest way to use a, a, or the fastest when you're trying

00:29:46 ◼   ► to take a photo, you want to do it immediately, right?

00:29:48 ◼   ► And you can don't want to unlock your phone and blah, blah, blah.

00:29:50 ◼   ► So that's really exciting as well.

00:29:51 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:29:51 ◼   ► This now gives people the full capability to have a third party camera apps that replace

00:29:55 ◼   ► the camera button on the lock screen and work while the camera is still locked.

00:29:59 ◼   ► That's all very new.

00:30:00 ◼   ► And that's yeah.

00:30:01 ◼   ► For third party camera apps, that's huge.

00:30:03 ◼   ► And presumably also the swipe gesture on the lock screen.

00:30:05 ◼   ► If you don't want to hold down on the camera icon, you can just swipe sideways.

00:30:07 ◼   ► That will also be configurable.

00:30:10 ◼   ► Do we know?

00:30:10 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:30:11 ◼   ► It would be really weird if you held down on the icon and got one camera app and swiped

00:30:14 ◼   ► and got a different one.

00:30:14 ◼   ► That's true.

00:30:15 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:30:15 ◼   ► But we'll see.

00:30:16 ◼   ► We will see what happens.

00:30:17 ◼   ► And control center integration too.

00:30:19 ◼   ► And the way this works is all built on widgets.

00:30:21 ◼   ► Like this, we've been seeing the building blocks here for a while.

00:30:25 ◼   ► The modern widget system powers so many things all across system.

00:30:29 ◼   ► And so as far as we can tell, I haven't dove too far into it yet, but as far as we can

00:30:33 ◼   ► tell, all of this control center stuff is all just basically widgets in a new place.

00:30:38 ◼   ► It does inherit the same seeming limitations of widgets.

00:30:41 ◼   ► Hopefully we'll have some follow up next week with details of this, but it does seem like

00:30:46 ◼   ► when you, if you have, say, an app running a thing in control center with one of these

00:30:50 ◼   ► new blocks in control center, the app is not constantly running in the background.

00:30:55 ◼   ► So it might be hard to do things like make a rich now playing widget for audio apps,

00:30:59 ◼   ► for instance.

00:31:00 ◼   ► It's very similar to other widgets seemingly in that it supports things like buttons and

00:31:04 ◼   ► toggles that kind of wake the app up when they are hit and then make the app go back

00:31:08 ◼   ► to sleep.

00:31:08 ◼   ► So it's going to be a little bit limited, but I'm really glad they're doing this.

00:31:13 ◼   ► And what's interesting though is like that kind of to some degree might replace widgets

00:31:19 ◼   ► on like, because you can currently pull down like the widget screen or you can swipe over

00:31:22 ◼   ► to the widget page.

00:31:23 ◼   ► Like there's certain places like you can kind of now have widgets in like three different

00:31:29 ◼   ► directions of swiping on the phone.

00:31:30 ◼   ► It's I think it might be, it might get a little confusing as to like where you're going to

00:31:34 ◼   ► put certain things or like end up on the wrong page.

00:31:36 ◼   ► I don't know, but I'm glad to have this, you know, even if it's maybe getting a little

00:31:41 ◼   ► bit busy.

00:31:42 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:31:42 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:31:43 ◼   ► They talked about privacy for a while.

00:31:45 ◼   ► They said that one of the things you might want to do is put face or touch ID or passcode

00:31:52 ◼   ► in front of apps.

00:31:53 ◼   ► So you can only open, you know, the photos app, for example, if you authenticate.

00:31:58 ◼   ► They also said you can hide an app entirely.

00:32:01 ◼   ► I missed how you would access it.

00:32:03 ◼   ► Maybe you're searching for it.

00:32:04 ◼   ► So it shows up in the app library.

00:32:06 ◼   ► Okay.

00:32:06 ◼   ► And there's like a special hidden apps block on the bottom of the app library.

00:32:10 ◼   ► And it didn't show it in a locked state, but we assume it, you just let you face ID probably

00:32:14 ◼   ► to unlock that, that block.

00:32:16 ◼   ► And then you can access the app.

00:32:17 ◼   ► That's like a deleted photos and the photos and hidden photos, the hidden album.

00:32:21 ◼   ► It basically, it makes it work like the hidden album.

00:32:23 ◼   ► It looks like it's kind of weird.

00:32:24 ◼   ► How well, I guess it's, there's two things, right?

00:32:26 ◼   ► So one is protecting an app and you can do that individually.

00:32:30 ◼   ► The apps and you're like, great, the feature is done.

00:32:31 ◼   ► And the other is hiding the fact that that app is on your phone at all because the apps

00:32:35 ◼   ► that you tap and they face ID, you can still see the icon to the app and you're right.

00:32:38 ◼   ► They didn't show it in the presentation, but I assume the hidden apps app library folder

00:32:42 ◼   ► doesn't even show you which apps are in it when it's in the lock state.

00:32:44 ◼   ► I would hope not.

00:32:45 ◼   ► Right.

00:32:45 ◼   ► And so that's, that's why there's both of these features.

00:32:48 ◼   ► It's not just like, Oh, if you don't want to individually lock apps, you can just drag

00:32:51 ◼   ► them into this folder and they're all locked.

00:32:52 ◼   ► No, it's the hide.

00:32:53 ◼   ► The fact that the app is on your phone at all.

00:32:54 ◼   ► Yep.

00:32:55 ◼   ► They also said, and this is a long time coming, but I'm very happy for it.

00:33:00 ◼   ► You can restrict what contacts are being exposed to apps.

00:33:04 ◼   ► So there was a big brouhaha a few years ago where we realized, I don't remember what

00:33:08 ◼   ► app, it doesn't matter, but like there was some app that wanted to slurp up all your

00:33:11 ◼   ► contacts and path.

00:33:12 ◼   ► I get, I want to say that, but I think it was after path, but you very well could be

00:33:16 ◼   ► right.

00:33:16 ◼   ► It doesn't really matter one way or another.

00:33:17 ◼   ► It's slurped up all your contacts, which could have been for reasonable reasons, but

00:33:21 ◼   ► ultimately what it ended up doing was like spamming all your contacts saying, Oh, you

00:33:25 ◼   ► should join path, whatever it was.

00:33:26 ◼   ► And that was really gross.

00:33:28 ◼   ► And ever since then, I, at least, and I think many others have been really reluctant to

00:33:32 ◼   ► let, let an app, you know, sort of up all your contacts, which I think is good to be

00:33:36 ◼   ► reluctant about it.

00:33:37 ◼   ► Now, apparently there's going to be some sort of API where you can say, I guess, again,

00:33:40 ◼   ► in the, in the vein of photos, you know, what contacts would you like to expose to such

00:33:44 ◼   ► and such an app, which is, which is great.

00:33:46 ◼   ► I'm here for it.

00:33:47 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:33:47 ◼   ► Because before there used to be no API at all to contact access.

00:33:50 ◼   ► It was just a public API.

00:33:52 ◼   ► And that, I think that's when a lot of these apps were really abusing it.

00:33:55 ◼   ► And so this, this, it's great to see this because there are so many apps where like

00:33:59 ◼   ► in order to do some critical functionality, it requests access to your entire address

00:34:04 ◼   ► book.

00:34:04 ◼   ► Sometimes it actually requires it in ways that I think are not actually necessary.

00:34:09 ◼   ► And the app review should take a look at like WhatsApp, for instance.

00:34:12 ◼   ► Small app, no one's really heard of it.

00:34:14 ◼   ► But it there's, it's like, it's nice to see Apple putting a little more attention on

00:34:18 ◼   ► contact privacy.

00:34:19 ◼   ► Yeah, it's kind of, I see that in some apps and sometimes I can see, like, you want to

00:34:22 ◼   ► be able to like, say it's an app where you're going to have to type people's email addresses

00:34:26 ◼   ► or contact information.

00:34:27 ◼   ► You want it to auto complete it, right?

00:34:28 ◼   ► I understand what, like, I want this app to build up a database of all the contacts so

00:34:32 ◼   ► I can auto complete.

00:34:33 ◼   ► But you don't want the app to actually have all your contact info.

00:34:36 ◼   ► I wonder if there's some privacy preserving way that they could like vend and a contact

00:34:41 ◼   ► auto complete typing that I don't know.

00:34:43 ◼   ► It's a complicated problem.

00:34:44 ◼   ► They easily could for like the system text inputs.

00:34:47 ◼   ► But I think the reality is in the app landscape we live in, no app would ever use that.

00:34:52 ◼   ► They would just request access to your entire time.

00:34:54 ◼   ► And keep nagging you about it every time you launch the app.

00:34:57 ◼   ► You sure you don't want to give me access to all your contacts?

00:34:58 ◼   ► Are you sure?

00:34:59 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:34:59 ◼   ► And they would get some critical functionality behind it.

00:35:01 ◼   ► An app review wouldn't have a problem with it.

00:35:03 ◼   ► They should, but they won't.

00:35:04 ◼   ► Right.

00:35:04 ◼   ► Oh, yeah.

00:35:05 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:35:05 ◼   ► All right.

00:35:06 ◼   ► So we talk about messages.

00:35:07 ◼   ► Tap backs could be any emoji.

00:35:09 ◼   ► Finally.

00:35:10 ◼   ► Finally.

00:35:11 ◼   ► I'm very excited about this.

00:35:12 ◼   ► Truly I am.

00:35:13 ◼   ► I'm a little worried.

00:35:14 ◼   ► What?

00:35:14 ◼   ► I don't think they did a great job of showing what the user interface is going to look like.

00:35:18 ◼   ► So I'm a little nervous.

00:35:19 ◼   ► It's going to be super clunky.

00:35:20 ◼   ► I'm going on faith that it won't be.

00:35:21 ◼   ► But assuming it's not clunky, I'm here for it.

00:35:24 ◼   ► Very excited.

00:35:25 ◼   ► Yeah, that's a good point because the one good thing about the limited set is you don't

00:35:28 ◼   ► have to go through like a giant picker.

00:35:30 ◼   ► You know, their emoji picker has gotten better.

00:35:32 ◼   ► But it's still sometimes cumbersome.

00:35:34 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:35:35 ◼   ► I mean, one thing I also loved, obviously, yeah, finally, the emoji.

00:35:38 ◼   ► Everyone's been wanting that for how many years now?

00:35:42 ◼   ► And every other chat app does it.

00:35:43 ◼   ► And it's great.

00:35:44 ◼   ► And you know, Slack, WhatsApp, like every other-- there's so many other apps people

00:35:47 ◼   ► are using that just have freeform emoji responsive things.

00:35:50 ◼   ► It has become a language that people expect to have that.

00:35:54 ◼   ► So that's good.

00:35:54 ◼   ► I also love that they did bullet italic underlined strikethrough.

00:35:58 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:35:59 ◼   ► And then they have send later because interestingly,

00:36:01 ◼   ► they use the example of like if you want to send somebody a happy birthday message in

00:36:04 ◼   ► the morning, you can schedule it at night and it'll go that morning.

00:36:08 ◼   ► You can just have AI send it for them.

00:36:09 ◼   ► You don't need to send it yourself.

00:36:10 ◼   ► You're getting ahead, man.

00:36:11 ◼   ► You're getting ahead.

00:36:12 ◼   ► Well, then you can have their AI read all their birthday messages and just summarize

00:36:15 ◼   ► it for you.

00:36:15 ◼   ► And say thank you for you, yeah.

00:36:16 ◼   ► Very easy.

00:36:17 ◼   ► All right, let's stay positive.

00:36:19 ◼   ► So there's also text formatting.

00:36:21 ◼   ► I'm sorry, you said text formatting.

00:36:22 ◼   ► It's the text effects.

00:36:23 ◼   ► There's magnification, animation, a blow away.

00:36:26 ◼   ► We couldn't have a keynote without blow away reference some way somehow.

00:36:30 ◼   ► Again, this sounds cool and interesting.

00:36:32 ◼   ► I'm a little worried and skeptical about the interface in order to do it because like text

00:36:36 ◼   ► selection on iOS, not fun, which I don't know how it could be fun without a full physical

00:36:42 ◼   ► keyboard.

00:36:42 ◼   ► So I'm not like faulting them for that, but I don't know.

00:36:44 ◼   ► This seems like it might be more effort than it's worth.

00:36:46 ◼   ► Something that I thought was very, very interesting, particularly sitting directly in front of

00:36:51 ◼   ► underscore actually was messages via satellite.

00:36:55 ◼   ► So to back up a half step, you can send emergency messages via satellite.

00:36:59 ◼   ► Like there's a wizard you would walk through that says, are you hurt?

00:37:03 ◼   ► Are you stranded?

00:37:03 ◼   ► Whatever.

00:37:04 ◼   ► You know, are you safe, et cetera, et cetera.

00:37:06 ◼   ► And he would basically write a message, not in an AI way, just like, you know, so Casey

00:37:11 ◼   ► is hurt on the side of the road and he's such and such Latin long.

00:37:14 ◼   ► Go help him.

00:37:15 ◼   ► More of a Mad Libs way.

00:37:16 ◼   ► Yes, that's a good way of putting it.

00:37:17 ◼   ► That's a very good way of putting it.

00:37:18 ◼   ► Well, now you can do full honest to goodness messages.

00:37:23 ◼   ► Like you type your message and send it via satellite, which I think is great.

00:37:26 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:37:27 ◼   ► It's full, it's almost like it's, it's core messages or core features of iMessage via

00:37:32 ◼   ► satellite.

00:37:32 ◼   ► Yeah, that's true.

00:37:33 ◼   ► Cause it was like tap backs as well.

00:37:34 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:37:34 ◼   ► So, so it said, so now, you know, since the iPhone 14, you've been able to do those emergency

00:37:38 ◼   ► messages, but it was like emergency only.

00:37:40 ◼   ► Now when you are connected only via satellite, you can do, you can text seemingly anybody.

00:37:45 ◼   ► They have SMS support.

00:37:47 ◼   ► And then for iMessage, they said key iMessage features, whatever that means.

00:37:51 ◼   ► But they said it includes sending receiving messages, emoji and tap backs.

00:37:54 ◼   ► So like that's, you know, so obviously, so probably not like photos and stuff, but that's,

00:37:59 ◼   ► that's pretty cool.

00:37:59 ◼   ► Like it's basically like free unlimited satellite texting with any iPhone.

00:38:04 ◼   ► They didn't mention any money, but I do.

00:38:06 ◼   ► I mean, well, they, all they said was works with iPhone 14 or later.

00:38:10 ◼   ► I mean, I take your point.

00:38:10 ◼   ► I think they're just kicking that can down the road until they figure out what they're

00:38:14 ◼   ► going to do about charging for this, but it's got to, it's got to be free.

00:38:17 ◼   ► Well, maybe they would do emergency for free.

00:38:20 ◼   ► That's a good point.

00:38:20 ◼   ► And then this new feature, maybe we part of some plus plan.

00:38:23 ◼   ► Same thing around in the keynote, which is weird.

00:38:25 ◼   ► I know what are you going to do?

00:38:26 ◼   ► Mails getting on device categorization.

00:38:29 ◼   ► So this is where you filter in the Gmail's had this for how many years, John?

00:38:32 ◼   ► But I do not use it in Gmail, but some people like it.

00:38:34 ◼   ► I mean, in the times I used to actually, Hey, when Hey was new and exciting, like

00:38:39 ◼   ► it had its own little cute categorization.

00:38:41 ◼   ► Right?

00:38:41 ◼   ► Exactly.

00:38:42 ◼   ► The key feature of this categorization thing is what are the categories?

00:38:45 ◼   ► And it's not like the user can pick them.

00:38:47 ◼   ► It's basically the person who makes the app has to decide what are the categories of email

00:38:52 ◼   ► that people get that they think would be useful to junk put into bins.

00:38:54 ◼   ► And then they have whatever machine learning thing puts them into these bins.

00:38:57 ◼   ► So here are the bins that Apple chose.

00:38:59 ◼   ► I mean, there's no reason that has to be fixed.

00:39:01 ◼   ► Like Apple has, I think chosen to make it fixed, but you could do things like

00:39:04 ◼   ► make a tagging system and then have the system automatically file into those tags.

00:39:08 ◼   ► I don't know if they're going to, I don't mean, I don't mean just the word.

00:39:11 ◼   ► I mean like the, the analysis of the message to say what kind of message in it.

00:39:14 ◼   ► So Apple's things are what primary transactions updates and promotions.

00:39:18 ◼   ► Is that all of them?

00:39:19 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:39:19 ◼   ► Something like that.

00:39:20 ◼   ► Promotions was a great euphemism.

00:39:21 ◼   ► Well, I mean, everyone has some promotions.

00:39:22 ◼   ► It's, it's, it's tough.

00:39:23 ◼   ► That's not spam or whatever, but like transactions make some sense.

00:39:26 ◼   ► People want to have receipts.

00:39:27 ◼   ► Primary is like the catchall for the important messages and then updates is newsletters and

00:39:32 ◼   ► social media.

00:39:33 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:39:33 ◼   ► I, I always find it like, I find it more work for me to think about what bucket this thing

00:39:37 ◼   ► would be.

00:39:38 ◼   ► And even though in Gmail, like Gmail's buckets, it can be in five, all the buckets at the

00:39:41 ◼   ► same time.

00:39:42 ◼   ► Cause they're not folders.

00:39:42 ◼   ► Like it's tagging system.

00:39:44 ◼   ► Right.

00:39:44 ◼   ► But I think this, a lot of people feel like they don't have any tools to manage their

00:39:51 ◼   ► email even when they do, because the tools are complicated or require setup that nerds

00:39:55 ◼   ► will do, but people won't.

00:39:56 ◼   ► They just go to their inbox and they just flail and then you leave.

00:40:00 ◼   ► Right.

00:40:00 ◼   ► And this at least like this will, at first it's going to annoy people because it's like,

00:40:04 ◼   ► where's my email?

00:40:05 ◼   ► It's in these categories.

00:40:06 ◼   ► I don't care about it, but as long as it can be disabled, that's fine.

00:40:09 ◼   ► And for the people who do find this useful, they'll be like, Oh, now something else is

00:40:14 ◼   ► organizing my email for me.

00:40:15 ◼   ► And they will learn where to look for certain things like this.

00:40:19 ◼   ► Gmail does it.

00:40:20 ◼   ► A lot of other email clients do it.

00:40:21 ◼   ► Obviously people find it useful.

00:40:22 ◼   ► This is an apple catch up feature.

00:40:24 ◼   ► I think it's important for them to have this.

00:40:26 ◼   ► I just hope they allow.

00:40:27 ◼   ► I'm thinking people in my life, if they install this operating system and they say, where

00:40:31 ◼   ► did all my email go?

00:40:32 ◼   ► I don't know what primary is.

00:40:34 ◼   ► That's a bad sign, but we'll see how it goes.

00:40:35 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:40:36 ◼   ► I'm also curious, they had that, the digest view per sender and it seems like it was like,

00:40:41 ◼   ► they had like custom header images for companies that I don't know how that like, are they

00:40:46 ◼   ► defining some new standard of like, if you know, extracting it from the emails, I don't

00:40:50 ◼   ► know.

00:40:50 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:40:50 ◼   ► That, that was that, that seemed a little gross to me, but I don't know.

00:40:54 ◼   ► It's, it's pretty hard.

00:40:55 ◼   ► I wonder if this, all this stuff will work on apple's email.

00:40:57 ◼   ► So they can put all their own stuff into primary when they tell us about the latest sale on

00:41:01 ◼   ► Mac book pros or the WWDC developer emails.

00:41:03 ◼   ► We'll see what happens.

00:41:05 ◼   ► But, uh, I do think the digest view, like the example they used was here's all your,

00:41:10 ◼   ► all the emails about like a upcoming set of flights, for example.

00:41:12 ◼   ► And I mean, I'm here for that.

00:41:14 ◼   ► So I was very happy for underscore when we saw messages via satellite.

00:41:20 ◼   ► And then I got very sad for underscore because then just a moment later they decided to announce

00:41:26 ◼   ► new topographic maps in maps.

00:41:28 ◼   ► You can access them offline.

00:41:29 ◼   ► There's turn by turn voice guidance.

00:41:31 ◼   ► I think they specifically were talking about for hikes.

00:41:33 ◼   ► Yep.

00:41:33 ◼   ► They were.

00:41:34 ◼   ► This was literally the only new features for maps this year were targeted.

00:41:39 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:41:39 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:41:40 ◼   ► It was just targeting pedometer plus plus.

00:41:41 ◼   ► He, he, because underscore is the nicest human that's ever lived.

00:41:44 ◼   ► He was, it's so positive and so upbeat about it, but I, my heart breaks for poor.

00:41:49 ◼   ► And there are other other hiking apps.

00:41:50 ◼   ► We just happen to know someone who makes one of them.

00:41:52 ◼   ► And this, and to be clear, this is, this is exactly, you would expect apple to add this

00:41:57 ◼   ► feature.

00:41:57 ◼   ► It is a logical feature to add to maps.

00:41:59 ◼   ► They should add it.

00:42:00 ◼   ► Third parties have been filling this gap.

00:42:02 ◼   ► Now apple is stepping up and I think underscores, right?

00:42:04 ◼   ► That apple is going to do what they do, but third parties are able to do more sophisticated,

00:42:08 ◼   ► complicated things with different decisions.

00:42:10 ◼   ► So it's not like when apple enters one of these areas, it makes it impossible.

00:42:13 ◼   ► Like apple made a podcast app and overcast still exists, right?

00:42:16 ◼   ► So it is actually just the first, it is a, is it a, it is dynamic that as a developer

00:42:20 ◼   ► for any platform you should become accustomed to.

00:42:23 ◼   ► And don't be afraid that it's going to destroy your app because you know, if your app was

00:42:28 ◼   ► successful at all, there's room to make something different than what apple does.

00:42:33 ◼   ► And apple almost never do what a third party would want to do with a given app.

00:42:36 ◼   ► Well, in all fairness though, you know, when apple really does damage by a Sherlocking,

00:42:41 ◼   ► it's usually because they do something in a way that someone else can't match.

00:42:45 ◼   ► Like in using some kind of system integration or apis that we aren't allowed to use or business

00:42:49 ◼   ► terms that we aren't allowed to use 30%, you know, shenanigans like that's, that's what

00:42:54 ◼   ► usually really kills something else.

00:42:56 ◼   ► Or they massively subsidize it because obviously apple can make apps that are subsidized by

00:43:00 ◼   ► their bazillions of dollars from their other businesses and they can put you out of business.

00:43:02 ◼   ► But they tend not to do that.

00:43:04 ◼   ► Like they, they, they have surprisingly small teams on many of their apps, but the real

00:43:07 ◼   ► thing that keeps it back is because apple is never going to add really complicated, sophisticated

00:43:11 ◼   ► features.

00:43:11 ◼   ► They're just allergic to it, right?

00:43:13 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:43:13 ◼   ► And so if you know, whatever obscure feature that you think hikers want, apple's probably

00:43:18 ◼   ► never going to get around to that.

00:43:19 ◼   ► They're just going to give like the thing that works for 90% of hikers and that 10%

00:43:23 ◼   ► would still be using your app.

00:43:24 ◼   ► So you just have to make sure your app, I mean, it probably already does, does something

00:43:28 ◼   ► opinionated specific that is too, too nitty gritty for apple to ever add because they

00:43:33 ◼   ► have to make something that works for most people and you can make something that works

00:43:36 ◼   ► for like the hiking enthusiasts.

00:43:37 ◼   ► By the way, real time follow apparently the standard exists for email corporate logo headers.

00:43:42 ◼   ► It's called Bimi or B I M I and apparently it's not very good, but that is a public standard.

00:43:46 ◼   ► So please don't email us.

00:43:47 ◼   ► Thank you.

00:43:48 ◼   ► Wow.

00:43:48 ◼   ► I today I learned that's, it must, it must be used so broadly somehow, somehow we missed

00:43:53 ◼   ► it.

00:43:54 ◼   ► Wallet gets a tap to apple pay cash.

00:43:57 ◼   ► So what the theory is, you know, let's say you want to pay somebody for something, but

00:44:03 ◼   ► you don't necessarily want to give out your phone number or your email address, what have

00:44:06 ◼   ► you.

00:44:06 ◼   ► Then you can just tap your phones like you can to exchange stuff via airdrop.

00:44:11 ◼   ► Uh, so that's pretty cool.

00:44:13 ◼   ► That's super cool.

00:44:13 ◼   ► It's like not just that you don't have to share it with them, even with people who I

00:44:17 ◼   ► don't care about sharing it.

00:44:18 ◼   ► Like I'll totally give you my, you have to do the thing.

00:44:20 ◼   ► It was like, what's your iMessage?

00:44:22 ◼   ► What's your, I mean, that's why Venmo and stuff have the little QR codes for you to

00:44:25 ◼   ► say, just the hassle of having to type something in or whatever.

00:44:29 ◼   ► And so this has the double whammy.

00:44:30 ◼   ► You don't have to type anything in and presumably it's privacy preserving where you literally

00:44:34 ◼   ► don't need to give it to them.

00:44:35 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:44:35 ◼   ► Yep.

00:44:36 ◼   ► Uh, you can use apple pay online.

00:44:38 ◼   ► Um, I guess it's apple pay cash online.

00:44:41 ◼   ► Is that what I missed that part of the, there were some kind of like enhancements to what

00:44:44 ◼   ► you can do with apple pay checkout online.

00:44:46 ◼   ► And it was, it was various like financial, you know, little tricks that we don't really

00:44:50 ◼   ► care about.

00:44:50 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:44:50 ◼   ► And this is another example of them flying by, but they did mention of something about

00:44:55 ◼   ► in the wallet app.

00:44:56 ◼   ► So if you have like a concert ticket, there would be an event guide for that particular

00:45:00 ◼   ► venue, which in theory sounds really great.

00:45:03 ◼   ► Um, they talked about journal app.

00:45:05 ◼   ► Honestly, I don't really care.

00:45:06 ◼   ► We should probably move on.

00:45:07 ◼   ► They added a few, they added search, which it somehow magically did not have like amazingly

00:45:11 ◼   ► now it has it.

00:45:12 ◼   ► You can log your state of mind also, which I think I'm kind of surprised it wasn't there

00:45:16 ◼   ► at first, but it's good to see them, you know, doing something to the journal app.

00:45:20 ◼   ► Like this is a brand new app that launched in a very minimal state.

00:45:23 ◼   ► I didn't have a chance.

00:45:24 ◼   ► I didn't see yet though.

00:45:25 ◼   ► Were there any changes to journal API's?

00:45:27 ◼   ► Like was there any, any way for, for instance, other third-party apps to vend activities

00:45:32 ◼   ► to suggest for journal to use?

00:45:34 ◼   ► They didn't mention it in the keynote, but that doesn't mean it's not there.

00:45:36 ◼   ► We'll find out.

00:45:36 ◼   ► Yeah, indeed.

00:45:37 ◼   ► Then there's game mode in iPhone.

00:45:40 ◼   ► So that's, you know, basically cranking everything else back so that the game process is the

00:45:46 ◼   ► priority.

00:45:46 ◼   ► Photos gets its biggest redesign ever.

00:45:50 ◼   ► It's got a two pane design, which I didn't think aesthetically looked great, but I can

00:45:55 ◼   ► understand how they landed there because it seems like functionally it'll be an improvement.

00:45:58 ◼   ► There's filters.

00:46:00 ◼   ► So one of the examples they, they enumerated was filtering out screenshots, which is pretty

00:46:04 ◼   ► cool.

00:46:04 ◼   ► Granted, I was sitting with a bunch of journalists, so they were very excited about that.

00:46:08 ◼   ► You don't have a lot of screenshots in your phone that were intentionally taking people

00:46:11 ◼   ► who write about software for a living do.

00:46:13 ◼   ► It's built on the amazing intelligence in the photos app is what was, what was stated

00:46:19 ◼   ► at the time.

00:46:20 ◼   ► There's collections time, people, favorite memories, trips, et cetera.

00:46:24 ◼   ► You can reorder collections.

00:46:26 ◼   ► You can pin collections.

00:46:27 ◼   ► This is so I have, I have many albums and I want to put stuff in like the same three

00:46:31 ◼   ► albums all the time and they're alphabetical currently.

00:46:34 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:46:34 ◼   ► Scroll, scroll, scroll.

00:46:36 ◼   ► Oh, I went past that letter.

00:46:37 ◼   ► Go back up.

00:46:37 ◼   ► This is great.

00:46:38 ◼   ► Yep.

00:46:38 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:46:39 ◼   ► I think this is actually good.

00:46:40 ◼   ► Like I obviously this is like a high risk thing to redesign the photos app.

00:46:44 ◼   ► I will have to see like what it actually is like in use, but I'm pretty optimistic.

00:46:48 ◼   ► The current photos app really has a hard time scaling to very large collections, which we

00:46:53 ◼   ► all slowly accumulate.

00:46:55 ◼   ► This seems like they've done a lot to try to make them more manageable.

00:46:57 ◼   ► They did mention that they had, and this, the part of the state of the union that we

00:47:01 ◼   ► saw that they had redone some of the photos app and Swift UI, but not, they made a point

00:47:04 ◼   ► of saying, but not the collection view because they were showing, showing how it could integrate

00:47:08 ◼   ► integrate with UI kit.

00:47:09 ◼   ► And I think that's because a Swift UI can't handle the collection view in photos.

00:47:13 ◼   ► We have a lot of photos.

00:47:14 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:47:14 ◼   ► That would, that would not be something I would use Swift UI for.

00:47:17 ◼   ► Right.

00:47:18 ◼   ► They also said there's a carousel that has a new set of photos each day, which is exciting.

00:47:22 ◼   ► And then on the Bento box at the end, they mentioned RCS and we all laughed because we

00:47:27 ◼   ► thought that that was all we were going to get with regard to RCS.

00:47:30 ◼   ► But then they actually briefly said verbally that RCS is coming.

00:47:34 ◼   ► And also something that I think is exciting, especially for those with not as great vision

00:47:38 ◼   ► is larger icons on the home screen.

00:47:40 ◼   ► So I think that was very briefly mentioned.

00:47:41 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:47:42 ◼   ► Did they show that?

00:47:42 ◼   ► Cause I would love to make some icons bigger and some icons smaller.

00:47:45 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

00:47:45 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:47:46 ◼   ► Like is my thing with game controllers.

00:47:48 ◼   ► Not every button is equally important.

00:47:49 ◼   ► The primary action button on a controller is more important than the tertiary button.

00:47:54 ◼   ► Right.

00:47:54 ◼   ► So I would love to make apps bigger, but did you have other thoughts on game controllers?

00:47:58 ◼   ► You want to share?

00:47:58 ◼   ► All right.

00:48:01 ◼   ► Audio and home.

00:48:02 ◼   ► I don't know too much that we need to say about this.

00:48:05 ◼   ► I did like the AirPods Pro.

00:48:07 ◼   ► Maybe only the AirPods Pro one way or another, you can nod or shake your head to interact

00:48:11 ◼   ► with Siri.

00:48:12 ◼   ► So, you know, an example they gave is, you know, Marco was calling, do you want to answer

00:48:15 ◼   ► and you can shake your head laterally left and right.

00:48:17 ◼   ► And that Siri will interpret that as no, I do not want to answer.

00:48:20 ◼   ► Which is cool.

00:48:21 ◼   ► Voice isolation, which we got an email about this actually.

00:48:24 ◼   ► And I don't know, do you, do you remember, I feel like voice isolation was a thing in

00:48:28 ◼   ► the past.

00:48:28 ◼   ► They've talked about it on the phone and various other things.

00:48:31 ◼   ► I don't know why maybe they did it better or it seems like there's like a new like ML

00:48:35 ◼   ► based cause there are, there's lots of new techniques out in the industry for ML based

00:48:39 ◼   ► voice isolation.

00:48:39 ◼   ► I got you.

00:48:40 ◼   ► I remember Nvidia did this amazing demo showing it off like two years ago.

00:48:44 ◼   ► And other products have added it here and there.

00:48:47 ◼   ► So I, you're right.

00:48:48 ◼   ► They have had like various techniques for various noise canceling and microphone isolation

00:48:52 ◼   ► techniques over time.

00:48:53 ◼   ► I think those have mostly just been very kind of simple hardware tricks and this seems like

00:48:58 ◼   ► it's more ML based.

00:48:59 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:48:59 ◼   ► So this should work a lot better and be more advanced.

00:49:01 ◼   ► It's going to be pretty cool if it works.

00:49:03 ◼   ► Yep.

00:49:03 ◼   ► I hope it's not AirPods Pro only.

00:49:04 ◼   ► They just showed the AirPods Pro.

00:49:06 ◼   ► The voice isolation is they said AirPods Pro.

00:49:08 ◼   ► They specifically said the nodding your head might be for both, but sorry, John, you're

00:49:12 ◼   ► going to have to get on the pro train eventually.

00:49:13 ◼   ► Yep.

00:49:14 ◼   ► TV OS.

00:49:15 ◼   ► This was fun for you, huh?

00:49:16 ◼   ► It's time for the big pep talk we gave about how third party apps are still liable when

00:49:20 ◼   ► Apple does something.

00:49:20 ◼   ► Insert that here.

00:49:22 ◼   ► Oh God.

00:49:23 ◼   ► So I believe there was a feature at its TV OS called insight.

00:49:27 ◼   ► Now I believe it was like something else I've seen.

00:49:30 ◼   ► Oh yeah, Amazon X-ray.

00:49:31 ◼   ► Yes.

00:49:32 ◼   ► That's right.

00:49:32 ◼   ► And what else?

00:49:33 ◼   ► There was some other app.

00:49:34 ◼   ► Oh yeah, your app.

00:49:35 ◼   ► That's right.

00:49:36 ◼   ► Before Casey decided to make call sheet, we've been saying for years that X-ray is a great

00:49:40 ◼   ► feature that Amazon has and people always have a question when they're watching a show.

00:49:43 ◼   ► What is that person from an X-ray provides that feature X-rays interface to be clear

00:49:46 ◼   ► is terrible.

00:49:47 ◼   ► Like every Amazon interface, Casey's app call sheet, in case you don't know, is the thing

00:49:50 ◼   ► where you can look up what people who've been in movies and TV shows and so on and so forth.

00:49:54 ◼   ► And it's a very nice app.

00:49:55 ◼   ► The thing I would say to encourage you here is those on screen things for doing that.

00:50:00 ◼   ► I think they should be there and they're great, but Apple's history of making an interface

00:50:04 ◼   ► on the TV itself that lets you do anything sensible is not good.

00:50:07 ◼   ► I would much rather look when someone says, what is that person from?

00:50:12 ◼   ► If I threw an interface on the screen while we were watching the show, she doesn't want

00:50:16 ◼   ► me to even pause it.

00:50:17 ◼   ► She wants me to look it up on my phone, in which case I'll use call sheet.

00:50:20 ◼   ► And again, I'm not pooping this feature.

00:50:22 ◼   ► I think it should exist.

00:50:23 ◼   ► I think it's great.

00:50:23 ◼   ► Hopefully it'll have a better interest in X-ray, but there is still definitely a place

00:50:28 ◼   ► for a thing for app that you use on your phone to look up who that person is without pausing

00:50:31 ◼   ► the show and without putting anything on the screen.

00:50:33 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:50:33 ◼   ► Also the, you know, the, the, um, the new feature will only were inside this club.

00:50:38 ◼   ► It will only work on Apple TV app.

00:50:40 ◼   ► Like it won't work in third party.

00:50:42 ◼   ► I didn't catch it first.

00:50:43 ◼   ► I thought it was just on the Apple TV player, but again, in hindsight, it does make some

00:50:47 ◼   ► sense.

00:50:47 ◼   ► They wouldn't have the data.

00:50:48 ◼   ► Right.

00:50:48 ◼   ► They just, they just do screen, like do the Shazam version video Shazam.

00:50:52 ◼   ► Oh, they're definitely not doing that.

00:50:54 ◼   ► I know.

00:50:54 ◼   ► But like that, that would be the tech.

00:50:55 ◼   ► Your TV is doing that to show you ads, but Apple's not doing that.

00:50:59 ◼   ► Technology does exist, but Apple is not used.

00:51:00 ◼   ► This is just for Apple TV plus television shows or movies.

00:51:04 ◼   ► If I use that instead of call sheet, I'd be spoiled constantly on, you know, character

00:51:08 ◼   ► reveals and stuff like that.

00:51:10 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:51:11 ◼   ► I apparently owe you a drink at dinner.

00:51:12 ◼   ► You'll be fine.

00:51:13 ◼   ► But no, it was funny though, because for a hot second, I was devastated because I was,

00:51:21 ◼   ► I thought it was for everything.

00:51:22 ◼   ► And I think part of the reason I thought that, which in retrospect was silly, but I knew

00:51:26 ◼   ► that there was so much AI and ML and what have you.

00:51:29 ◼   ► And I'm like envisioning this world where they're like figuring out what's on screen.

00:51:32 ◼   ► I mean, they could, hypothetically they could, but the more I think about it, the more I

00:51:36 ◼   ► think that that's, that's challenging at least today, maybe in the future.

00:51:39 ◼   ► Won't be, but today I think that's really challenging.

00:51:41 ◼   ► I don't think it's challenging.

00:51:42 ◼   ► I think it's expensive.

00:51:43 ◼   ► And it's privacy invasive in a way that Apple doesn't like to do.

00:51:46 ◼   ► So anyway, so there was a five minute window before people started reporting in and sending

00:51:50 ◼   ► me texts that like, Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:51:52 ◼   ► It's okay.

00:51:52 ◼   ► It's just Apple TV plus.

00:51:53 ◼   ► And then I was not quite so miserable, but for a second developer experience, that's

00:51:57 ◼   ► the thing is underscore again, I'm just sitting right behind me and he's like, Nope, this

00:52:01 ◼   ► is part of the process.

00:52:02 ◼   ► So anyways, but yes, it was, it was funny in retrospect, not funny at the time.

00:52:06 ◼   ► Enhanced dialogue, one of my favorite features about my beloved Sonos setup is that the sound

00:52:12 ◼   ► bars, or at least my sound bar can do their own dialogue enhancing mode, which is not

00:52:18 ◼   ► flawless, but it works reasonably well.

00:52:20 ◼   ► And I am old enough now that I feel like generally speaking, I can hear, but particularly at

00:52:25 ◼   ► nighttime when the kids are asleep and Declan's room is right above our family room where

00:52:28 ◼   ► we watch TV.

00:52:29 ◼   ► I don't want to have to crank the volume in order to just understand what the heck people

00:52:33 ◼   ► are saying.

00:52:33 ◼   ► Do you have reduced loud sounds on?

00:52:35 ◼   ► I don't, I understand the question.

00:52:36 ◼   ► I don't recall.

00:52:37 ◼   ► You should try that.

00:52:38 ◼   ► I'll have to give that a shot.

00:52:39 ◼   ► You're talking about the reduced loud sound?

00:52:41 ◼   ► Just a compressor.

00:52:42 ◼   ► Just compress.

00:52:42 ◼   ► I leave that on all the time.

00:52:44 ◼   ► Yeah, I should, I should give that a shot, but one way or another, there's now enhanced

00:52:47 ◼   ► dialogue for, for I think any playback on Apple TV, which I'm really excited for.

00:52:51 ◼   ► Cause presumably an Apple TV box is going to have more processing power than my Arc

00:52:55 ◼   ► sound bar.

00:52:55 ◼   ► So these enhanced dialogue features exist everywhere.

00:52:57 ◼   ► They're on every TV, they're on every receiver, they're on every set-down box.

00:53:00 ◼   ► It's good that Apple has one, but I have to tell you the quality of these varies widely.

00:53:05 ◼   ► So hopefully Apple does a good job of it because it's easy to just like, Oh, I'm just applying

00:53:09 ◼   ► an EQ curve and human voices are around here and that is awful.

00:53:12 ◼   ► And that's been around for ages and there's, you know, increasing amounts of ML or whatever.

00:53:15 ◼   ► So I hope Apple has done a good job of this because it actually is pretty hard to do because

00:53:18 ◼   ► if you, if you listen to a bad one, it's, it's grading on your ears.

00:53:22 ◼   ► Like you can, like the voices are just too loud and too clear and everything else feels

00:53:26 ◼   ► in the distance.

00:53:27 ◼   ► So doing this well is actually kind of tricky and I'm looking forward to seeing Apple's

00:53:30 ◼   ► implementation.

00:53:31 ◼   ► I mean, it could literally be the exact same algorithms as the voice oscillation for AirPods

00:53:34 ◼   ► pro, just like tuned down, you know, like with less reduction of the background.

00:53:38 ◼   ► But you do have to be careful because you don't want it to sound like, like the people

00:53:43 ◼   ► are like right in front of your face and the whole rest of the show is back there.

00:53:46 ◼   ► Like you can, you can over enhance it.

00:53:48 ◼   ► I mean, one thing that, that Apple is historically very good at is doing features like this with

00:53:53 ◼   ► subtlety.

00:53:54 ◼   ► Like a lot of times they get criticized for not like doing a more extreme version or having

00:53:57 ◼   ► more controls over how they're doing things like this.

00:53:59 ◼   ► But I would trust them to do this well enough that it would be, if anything, people, you

00:54:04 ◼   ► would say it doesn't go far enough.

00:54:05 ◼   ► It would, it's probably going to be a pretty subtle effect.

00:54:07 ◼   ► Like the demo, I mean, obviously we were hearing it over like, you know, concert speakers.

00:54:11 ◼   ► So who knows how it sounds in person, but the demo of it seemed like it was actually

00:54:14 ◼   ► fairly subtle.

00:54:15 ◼   ► Auto subtitle appearance when muting or skipping back.

00:54:19 ◼   ► I thought that they already did this for like, what did she say or whatever.

00:54:22 ◼   ► They do it when you, when you ask those Siri remote, what did they say?

00:54:25 ◼   ► And then it will go backwards three seconds, turn subtitles on, play through and then turn

00:54:29 ◼   ► the subtitles back off, which is one of the best features of Apple TV.

00:54:32 ◼   ► And now this is even more of that of saying, look, if you just skip it back, you don't

00:54:36 ◼   ► even have to, because it is kind of annoying to pick up the remote and mumble into it.

00:54:40 ◼   ► What did they say or whatever?

00:54:41 ◼   ► This, if you skip back, it just assumes it's because you didn't hear something.

00:54:44 ◼   ► So that, that removes the stuff.

00:54:46 ◼   ► And that's great.

00:54:47 ◼   ► And the auto subtitles, subtitling appearance when muting is a no brainer.

00:54:50 ◼   ► That is great.

00:54:51 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:54:51 ◼   ► I love that support for, I think it was 21 by nine projectors, whatever the standard

00:54:56 ◼   ► aspect ratio is, which is kind of interesting and cool.

00:54:59 ◼   ► I don't know anyone that uses an Apple TV with a projector, but I know what happens.

00:55:02 ◼   ► So that's neat.

00:55:03 ◼   ► And then different screensavers are going to be available.

00:55:06 ◼   ► Slideshows, portraits, moments from Apple TV plus shows.

00:55:09 ◼   ► And then they did a big song and dance about Snoopy and how that's going to be a screensaver.

00:55:13 ◼   ► That's cool.

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00:57:36 ◼   ► WatchOS.

00:57:36 ◼   ► They talked a lot about activity or activeness.

00:57:41 ◼   ► I know that's not really a word.

00:57:42 ◼   ► But anyways--

00:57:42 ◼   ► That's it.

00:57:42 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:57:43 ◼   ► Activation.

00:57:44 ◼   ► Activation.

00:57:44 ◼   ► That's what it was.

00:57:45 ◼   ► But they talked about training load, which was interesting.

00:57:47 ◼   ► To be honest, I was slightly tuned out at this point because I was still figuring out

00:57:50 ◼   ► if my job was going away.

00:57:51 ◼   ► [LAUGHTER]

00:57:52 ◼   ► You were sending your emails.

00:57:53 ◼   ► Right, exactly.

00:57:54 ◼   ► But they talked about training load and, oh, if you've trained really, really hard, that

00:57:59 ◼   ► maybe you need to back it off a little bit so you don't get exhausted, et cetera, et cetera.

00:58:01 ◼   ► You can customize the summary tab in fitness, which I'm excited about.

00:58:06 ◼   ► You can also have different goals for different days.

00:58:08 ◼   ► You can account for injuries.

00:58:10 ◼   ► And gentlemen, you can pause for rest days.

00:58:13 ◼   ► This is great.

00:58:14 ◼   ► Finally.

00:58:14 ◼   ► You know there's someone out there who got a Series 0 watch, and they've been on a streak,

00:58:18 ◼   ► and they've been getting their badges, and they haven't missed a thing.

00:58:20 ◼   ► It's a single day.

00:58:21 ◼   ► And now, finally, that person can have one day of rest.

00:58:25 ◼   ► I don't think a Series 0 watch would have enough battery life to give you your stand-out

00:58:28 ◼   ► person.

00:58:29 ◼   ► They've been going from watch to watch and somehow haven't lost all their streaks.

00:58:31 ◼   ► Oh, yeah.

00:58:32 ◼   ► They've just-- because we've been saying this for years.

00:58:34 ◼   ► Like, they gamified this by giving you cool little badges for going on streaks.

00:58:39 ◼   ► But it's unhealthy to, like, for example, keep doing the same activity through injuries

00:58:43 ◼   ► or never to take a day off.

00:58:45 ◼   ► And we've always been like Apple.

00:58:46 ◼   ► Like, you're not promoting a healthy lifestyle.

00:58:48 ◼   ► The people who are most addicted to this gamified thing are going to end up injuring themselves

00:58:53 ◼   ► and making their lives worse.

00:58:55 ◼   ► Let people have a day off.

00:58:57 ◼   ► Pause for a day.

00:58:58 ◼   ► The streak still counts.

00:59:00 ◼   ► This is just a life lesson that Apple has now learned and now is passing on to us.

00:59:04 ◼   ► It's OK to take a day off.

00:59:05 ◼   ► And if you're injured, don't do the same activity you normally do.

00:59:08 ◼   ► And now the watch understands that and will allow you to maintain your streak.

00:59:11 ◼   ► And I think it is completely legitimate.

00:59:13 ◼   ► And also, like, there's this, like, falling off the wagon effect where, like, if you have

00:59:17 ◼   ► had a long streak and then you have to break it, you're forced to break it for some reason,

00:59:21 ◼   ► a lot of times it's really hard to ever go back.

00:59:22 ◼   ► It's like, well, it's over now.

00:59:24 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:59:24 ◼   ► And you never go back.

00:59:26 ◼   ► Yeah, exactly.

00:59:26 ◼   ► Like, well, I'm off the wagon now.

00:59:28 ◼   ► Forget it.

00:59:28 ◼   ► I guess I'll go back to being a slob.

00:59:30 ◼   ► And it can be very demotivating.

00:59:33 ◼   ► So actually, like, enabling rest days not only is healthier mentally for the people who are

00:59:39 ◼   ► trying to keep streaks going, but I think it will result in people keeping more streaks

00:59:42 ◼   ► overall and not falling off that wagon as much because you're not, like, losing, oh,

00:59:49 ◼   ► there it is.

00:59:50 ◼   ► I'm gone forever.

00:59:50 ◼   ► Like, I lost all this that I've worked for.

00:59:52 ◼   ► I might as well throw it away.

00:59:54 ◼   ► But it makes the Apple Watch stickier, you know, for a self-motivated thing where, like,

00:59:57 ◼   ► you're not going to switch to a different watch if you still have your streaks gone.

01:00:00 ◼   ► Indeed.

01:00:01 ◼   ► They talked a little bit about a Vitals app, which I'm genuinely excited about, to see

01:00:07 ◼   ► kind of, like, an overall status of what your health is across several different metrics,

01:00:12 ◼   ► which is cool because fitness, obviously, is specifically about exercise and things of

01:00:16 ◼   ► that nature and fitness.

01:00:17 ◼   ► And Vitals is more of a holistic view of everything about you.

01:00:21 ◼   ► I mean, I like what they're doing here.

01:00:23 ◼   ► Like, so the idea is, like, daily health metrics, overall health status.

01:00:26 ◼   ► If they're-- if a bunch of-- if something changes in a few different ways, like, if

01:00:30 ◼   ► your Vitals in different ways change, they will alert you, like, hey, your heart rate's

01:00:34 ◼   ► been up this week, and also, you know, other stuff has changed.

01:00:36 ◼   ► That's nice.

01:00:38 ◼   ► But why-- I have to wonder, why can't this just be the health app?

01:00:42 ◼   ► Why-- like, I feel like the health app, honestly, is a mess.

01:00:46 ◼   ► There's so much in there, and I don't think the health app does a good job of information

01:00:52 ◼   ► architecture.

01:00:52 ◼   ► You mean on the watch?

01:00:53 ◼   ► Because this is the watch OS section.

01:00:55 ◼   ► You mean in general, the health app.

01:00:57 ◼   ► I mean in general.

01:00:58 ◼   ► Like, I think this should be just a function of the health app.

01:01:01 ◼   ► Maybe it is.

01:01:01 ◼   ► Maybe it's just the Vitals tab in the health app now.

01:01:03 ◼   ► No, well, maybe.

01:01:05 ◼   ► I mean, I thought it was a whole separate app, but--

01:01:07 ◼   ► I thought it was a whole separate app.

01:01:08 ◼   ► I'm pretty sure it is.

01:01:09 ◼   ► And I will concur.

01:01:10 ◼   ► We don't-- I don't want to belabor it, because--

01:01:11 ◼   ► Chat room's saying it's in the health app on iOS, and on watch OS, it's separate.

01:01:14 ◼   ► So maybe it's just a separate screen.

01:01:16 ◼   ► Oh, interesting.

01:01:16 ◼   ► Yeah, that's what I assumed.

01:01:17 ◼   ► OK, either way, the health app-- and from an information architecture perspective, the

01:01:22 ◼   ► health app is a disaster.

01:01:24 ◼   ► It's just terrible.

01:01:25 ◼   ► Yeah, like, Apple's modern-- like, Apple's modern design language that they use there

01:01:28 ◼   ► of just, like, a bunch-- like, a grid of square-- around rect squares with, like, some text

01:01:34 ◼   ► in the corner, and that's it.

01:01:35 ◼   ► And there's just a whole huge grid.

01:01:36 ◼   ► Like, I feel like that is-- that does not scale to a lot of information.

01:01:40 ◼   ► That's fine if you have a simple app, like, Reminders, where you have, like, those little

01:01:44 ◼   ► blocks.

01:01:44 ◼   ► It's the same pattern.

01:01:45 ◼   ► Reminders, that's OK there, but the health app has a thousand different things in it.

01:01:49 ◼   ► And I don't feel like it's organized well.

01:01:52 ◼   ► So maybe they'll do a better job of this.

01:01:54 ◼   ► Yeah, but that's so nice.

01:01:55 ◼   ► They talked about cycle tracking and gestational age, which I thought was very cool, and a

01:02:00 ◼   ► lot more support about pregnancy-specific metrics.

01:02:03 ◼   ► So as an example, you know, I think they-- I think they use blood pressure as an example,

01:02:08 ◼   ► but there was something that they cited that it goes up quite a bit during pregnancy, and

01:02:12 ◼   ► that's normally OK, but you want to keep an eye on it, et cetera, et cetera.

01:02:15 ◼   ► So I thought that was very cool.

01:02:16 ◼   ► Yeah, that's another example of, like, third-party app opportunity type thing, and even more

01:02:20 ◼   ► so here, because, like, the health data is essentially a shared database that other apps

01:02:23 ◼   ► can access and do things with.

01:02:25 ◼   ► And there are tons of pregnancy tracking apps on the App Store right now, and it's like,

01:02:30 ◼   ► oh, Apple is now going to give you one for free, so why would anyone use a third-party

01:02:34 ◼   ► one?

01:02:34 ◼   ► I hope the third-party ones could integrate with the new pregnancy-specific information

01:02:39 ◼   ► that is presumably in the health database to enhance themselves.

01:02:42 ◼   ► And of course, those apps are going to be way more sophisticated, way more varied, way

01:02:45 ◼   ► more tailored to people's individual goals or whatever.

01:02:47 ◼   ► So I think this will actually be a boost to that market, not a detriment to it.

01:02:50 ◼   ► Well, honestly, maybe it might have to be a detriment, because a lot of times-- like,

01:02:54 ◼   ► remember, it came out a few years ago that the privacy of those apps is horrendous, like,

01:02:58 ◼   ► that all of the leading pregnancy tracking apps that somebody could find a couple years

01:03:02 ◼   ► ago, they were all sending that data to Facebook.

01:03:04 ◼   ► Oh, that's true.

01:03:05 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:03:05 ◼   ► I forgot about that.

01:03:06 ◼   ► No, that is true.

01:03:07 ◼   ► And I feel like this should help-- the competitive landscape should change so that now there

01:03:12 ◼   ► is a privacy-preserving option, so maybe apps have to do that less.

01:03:15 ◼   ► Yeah, I think that any time Apple can add this kind of-- even though their version is

01:03:20 ◼   ► going to be more basic, more just core functionality, they're going to give the 20% solution, right?

01:03:25 ◼   ► But even-- like, that is usually a good thing if the alternative is a market full of privacy-invading

01:03:32 ◼   ► awful apps.

01:03:32 ◼   ► Yeah, I just want to sell your name to diaper manufacturing.

01:03:34 ◼   ► [INAUDIBLE]

01:03:35 ◼   ► [LAUGHTER]

01:03:35 ◼   ► Anyway, it's for diaper.

01:03:36 ◼   ► You know, it makes perfect sense.

01:03:37 ◼   ► That's how they do it.

01:03:38 ◼   ► Connections was another section where they talked about several different things.

01:03:41 ◼   ► They will automatically add new widgets to the Smart Stack watch face, which is kind

01:03:45 ◼   ► of sort of the nouveau Siri watch face.

01:03:47 ◼   ► There's Translate on the Apple Watch that uses, quote, "machine learning models" to

01:03:52 ◼   ► do the translation.

01:03:54 ◼   ► Live activities in the Smart Stack.

01:03:56 ◼   ► This-- I don't use live activities enough, but if there's anything that's going to get

01:04:00 ◼   ► me on this watch face, it's live activities in the Smart Stack.

01:04:02 ◼   ► I am here for that, very excited about it.

01:04:05 ◼   ► And in fact, I'm jumping ahead a bit, but there seem to be a lot of different things

01:04:10 ◼   ► where they're acknowledging and embracing the fact that the iPhone is kind of the core

01:04:14 ◼   ► computing device of your life, even for the three of us, where I think we're all primarily

01:04:19 ◼   ► Mac people.

01:04:20 ◼   ► But-- and John will argue with me as soon as I stop talking-- but generally speaking,

01:04:23 ◼   ► I think for a lot of people, the iPhone is the prime-- or maybe not primary, but the

01:04:27 ◼   ► most important hub of your digital life.

01:04:30 ◼   ► And I think a lot of things are now-- Apple is embracing that for a lot of features.

01:04:35 ◼   ► And this is one of them, live activities on the Smart Stack.

01:04:37 ◼   ► So we're getting lifts and Ubers and whatnot while we're here in San Jose and Cupertino.

01:04:42 ◼   ► And so having that appear on your watch, whatever the live activity is on your watch, that's

01:04:47 ◼   ► exciting.

01:04:48 ◼   ► So I'm looking forward to that.

01:04:49 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:04:50 ◼   ► That is a theme throughout.

01:04:51 ◼   ► And I think that's a good-- what we have with our iPhones is it's always the primary-- it's

01:04:57 ◼   ► always where things come first.

01:04:58 ◼   ► It's always the device that no matter what is going on, if you're traveling or something,

01:05:02 ◼   ► you're always going to at least have your phone.

01:05:04 ◼   ► It makes a lot of sense to keep the iPhone as the center of everything and to bring those

01:05:09 ◼   ► features to the other platforms when you can, but still having the-- because no matter what

01:05:14 ◼   ► Apple tries to do, the iPhone's always going to be the primary computing device.

01:05:17 ◼   ► So as much as they can embrace that and make the iPhone help the other platforms, as much

01:05:23 ◼   ► as they can do it--

01:05:24 ◼   ► And we'll see the iPhone helping the other platforms by making appearance on them later.

01:05:28 ◼   ► Yes.

01:05:29 ◼   ► Can I just say my favorite addition to watchOS, the Double Tap API.

01:05:36 ◼   ► So tell me more-- I'm not trying to be funny.

01:05:37 ◼   ► Tell me more about why that's so exciting for you.

01:05:39 ◼   ► Because I don't have Double Tap, so I don't know what I'm missing out on.

01:05:41 ◼   ► You couldn't-- remember, you couldn't do it before.

01:05:43 ◼   ► Only Apple had access to it.

01:05:44 ◼   ► Right.

01:05:44 ◼   ► But do you feel like it-- do you feel-- do you use the features

01:05:47 ◼   ► in Apple stuff at all ever or no?

01:05:50 ◼   ► No, because it's very slow and unreliable.

01:05:52 ◼   ► Cool.

01:05:52 ◼   ► So I try to use it to dismiss notifications or whatever.

01:05:55 ◼   ► I have found it to be way too slow.

01:05:58 ◼   ► And I have the Series 9.

01:05:59 ◼   ► Like, I have the right hardware for it.

01:06:01 ◼   ► And it's just really unreliable.

01:06:04 ◼   ► And when it does work, it's still very-- it's much slower than doing it yourself.

01:06:09 ◼   ► Because you have to give it a second to recognize it.

01:06:11 ◼   ► And then it taps you to tell you, hey, I recognize this.

01:06:15 ◼   ► And it shows a little overlay saying, Double Tap.

01:06:18 ◼   ► So the reason I want it is that my customers want to use it.

01:06:21 ◼   ► And I've gotten so many emails from people since it launched saying, hey,

01:06:25 ◼   ► Double Tap doesn't work in your app.

01:06:27 ◼   ► What the heck, man?

01:06:28 ◼   ► Because they don't know that until this, the only thing third-party apps could do with

01:06:32 ◼   ► it was use it to dismiss notifications or perform the primary action on a notification.

01:06:36 ◼   ► That's all it could do.

01:06:37 ◼   ► So apps-- and of course, what they expect from OverTap is play/pause.

01:06:41 ◼   ► Like, when you-- of course that would be what it does, right?

01:06:44 ◼   ► That doesn't make sense.

01:06:45 ◼   ► And it just seemed like I was being neglectful by not having this in my app, when really

01:06:48 ◼   ► I couldn't have it in my app.

01:06:49 ◼   ► So now that's going to be good for the very basic thing.

01:06:52 ◼   ► And whatever they add in the future in this area, if they add more gestures or more things

01:06:57 ◼   ► like that, hopefully they will now add these switch to modifiers for them as well.

01:07:00 ◼   ► Yep.

01:07:01 ◼   ► Photos watch face gets better customization and will automatically find photos.

01:07:05 ◼   ► I don't know what specifically that means.

01:07:07 ◼   ► I mean, I understand those words.

01:07:08 ◼   ► It meant machine learning.

01:07:09 ◼   ► That's what they said.

01:07:10 ◼   ► They still didn't-- so this-- now we're like a half hour.

01:07:12 ◼   ► And they still didn't say AI once.

01:07:14 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:07:15 ◼   ► All right.

01:07:16 ◼   ► iPadOS 18, yes?

01:07:19 ◼   ► Or are we taking another pause?

01:07:20 ◼   ► We don't need more pauses.

01:07:22 ◼   ► OK.

01:07:22 ◼   ► Sorry.

01:07:22 ◼   ► Pause it out.

01:07:23 ◼   ► We are paused out.

01:07:24 ◼   ► OK.

01:07:24 ◼   ► iPadOS 18.

01:07:25 ◼   ► I would like to make an opening statement about this.

01:07:28 ◼   ► Everyone was waiting for Apple to say, don't worry, you guys.

01:07:33 ◼   ► We've solved multitasking.

01:07:35 ◼   ► Like I said, there was no rumors about that.

01:07:37 ◼   ► No, there were no rumors.

01:07:38 ◼   ► But like, just this morning--

01:07:39 ◼   ► No expectations.

01:07:40 ◼   ► I think it was just this morning.

01:07:41 ◼   ► And if-- I apologize.

01:07:43 ◼   ► I am not even going to be doing show notes for this episode.

01:07:46 ◼   ► So the show notes are barren.

01:07:47 ◼   ► But there was a Verge link that I'm not going to look up.

01:07:50 ◼   ► But you can look it up yourselves.

01:07:51 ◼   ► There's a Verge link where they talked about basically--

01:07:53 ◼   ► I feel like it was literally this morning.

01:07:55 ◼   ► Like, hey, we've got this incredible hardware.

01:07:57 ◼   ► Where's the software?

01:07:59 ◼   ► And so all of us--

01:08:00 ◼   ► I agree, John, that nobody was necessarily expecting it.

01:08:03 ◼   ► But we were all hoping for it.

01:08:05 ◼   ► And it didn't land.

01:08:06 ◼   ► And what did land, though, was actually for me, to this point,

01:08:10 ◼   ► the most impressive stuff I saw in the entire keynote.

01:08:14 ◼   ► Like, I was excited about other things, for sure.

01:08:16 ◼   ► But the iPad demo--

01:08:19 ◼   ► iPad OS demo blew my mind more than anything else

01:08:23 ◼   ► I think I saw during the keynote.

01:08:24 ◼   ► So what did we talk about?

01:08:25 ◼   ► Well, first, it has the home screen customization

01:08:28 ◼   ► from iOS.

01:08:29 ◼   ► Which, honestly, that's new.

01:08:30 ◼   ► Yeah, it's not a given that it's going to get new features.

01:08:32 ◼   ► Right.

01:08:33 ◼   ► Usually when something cool comes to like Springboard in iOS,

01:08:37 ◼   ► the home screen, the widgets, usually that either doesn't

01:08:40 ◼   ► come to the iPad at all that year,

01:08:41 ◼   ► or maybe comes like the following year,

01:08:43 ◼   ► or it comes to the iPad in a much more limited way.

01:08:45 ◼   ► In this case, all of that home screen customization

01:08:47 ◼   ► and stuff that is in iOS 18 is also all on iPad OS 18.

01:08:51 ◼   ► So that was actually a pleasant surprise.

01:08:53 ◼   ► Yep.

01:08:53 ◼   ► Couldn't agree more.

01:08:54 ◼   ► So there's that.

01:08:55 ◼   ► The same story with Control Center

01:08:58 ◼   ► and a lot of the photo stuff.

01:09:00 ◼   ► They talked a lot about a floating tab bar,

01:09:02 ◼   ► which I believe they either said or implied

01:09:05 ◼   ► has an associated API where--

01:09:06 ◼   ► Yes, it does.

01:09:07 ◼   ► --this is like on the Apple TV+ app

01:09:08 ◼   ► where there's a tab bar at the top.

01:09:10 ◼   ► And I was like, OK, fine, whatever.

01:09:12 ◼   ► And then they said, oh, and there's some--

01:09:14 ◼   ► I don't know if it's like a hamburger button or whatever,

01:09:16 ◼   ► but there's some button you can press.

01:09:17 ◼   ► And then that tab bar will slide down into the--

01:09:20 ◼   ► I was going to say the left, wherever your text starts.

01:09:22 ◼   ► Into a sidebar.

01:09:23 ◼   ► Leading.

01:09:23 ◼   ► Into a sidebar.

01:09:24 ◼   ► It'll slide down into dot leading.

01:09:25 ◼   ► Into dot leading, right.

01:09:26 ◼   ► Into a sidebar.

01:09:28 ◼   ► And that, I thought, was extremely cool.

01:09:30 ◼   ► And so they talked about-- they made a big happy stink

01:09:35 ◼   ► about how there's improved and refined animations.

01:09:38 ◼   ► They talked a little bit about SharePlay.

01:09:40 ◼   ► And at this point, I started to pass out.

01:09:42 ◼   ► But then they started talking about screen sharing.

01:09:44 ◼   ► And I woke back up.

01:09:46 ◼   ► And they said, there are a couple

01:09:47 ◼   ► of very interesting features.

01:09:48 ◼   ► You can tap and draw on the screen

01:09:51 ◼   ► to instruct the remote users.

01:09:52 ◼   ► So they showed putting a gigantic F-U.

01:09:56 ◼   ► It's right here.

01:09:58 ◼   ► It's right here.

01:09:58 ◼   ► Circle the button in a big, hot pink marker.

01:10:01 ◼   ► It's right here.

01:10:02 ◼   ► Click this.

01:10:03 ◼   ► Yeah, it's like a big arrow or circle or what have you.

01:10:06 ◼   ► And they also said that you can ask-- the remote person

01:10:10 ◼   ► can ask for remote control.

01:10:12 ◼   ► So if you have grandma or grandpa or what have you,

01:10:14 ◼   ► and they don't understand what's going on,

01:10:15 ◼   ► but they live 500 miles away, you get on a SharePlay call.

01:10:19 ◼   ► I'm not clear how you do the screen sharing.

01:10:21 ◼   ► It doesn't really matter.

01:10:22 ◼   ► But one way or another, you can say to grandma,

01:10:24 ◼   ► I would like the control, please.

01:10:27 ◼   ► And you can actually perform the operation

01:10:29 ◼   ► that grandma or grandpa is trying to perform,

01:10:30 ◼   ► which I was very excited about.

01:10:32 ◼   ► Oh, man.

01:10:32 ◼   ► For remote tech support.

01:10:33 ◼   ► I'm so excited to use this.

01:10:34 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:10:36 ◼   ► Back when I had needs like that with my grandparents,

01:10:38 ◼   ► this would have been a godsend.

01:10:41 ◼   ► I'm very happy for everybody who has to use this feature.

01:10:45 ◼   ► This is going to be a big quality of life improvement.

01:10:48 ◼   ► Yep.

01:10:50 ◼   ► Then the Sherlocking continues.

01:10:53 ◼   ► Poor James Thompson.

01:10:54 ◼   ► I love James so much.

01:10:56 ◼   ► Calculator is arriving on iPad.

01:10:58 ◼   ► I genuinely double down on what you guys were saying earlier

01:11:02 ◼   ► about how this doesn't necessarily hurt James,

01:11:04 ◼   ► but it's not a fun feeling.

01:11:06 ◼   ► And I don't know if it would help him necessarily.

01:11:09 ◼   ► I mean, it does draw attention to our calculator apps.

01:11:12 ◼   ► I think PCALC is going to be fine,

01:11:13 ◼   ► because PCALC has, with the sole exception of the iPad,

01:11:17 ◼   ► has always run on platforms that had built-in calculators.

01:11:21 ◼   ► Well, I guess the Apple TV.

01:11:22 ◼   ► But there were always Apple calculator apps

01:11:26 ◼   ► on these platforms, and PCALC still had quite a market.

01:11:28 ◼   ► I will say also, when they announced a calculator for iPad,

01:11:32 ◼   ► as of yet, that got the biggest applause in the event.

01:11:35 ◼   ► I would have expected emoji responses in iMessage

01:11:39 ◼   ► to be a bigger applause, but no.

01:11:41 ◼   ► Calculator for iPad, by far the biggest applause

01:11:44 ◼   ► in that keynote up to this point.

01:11:46 ◼   ► This is interesting with Casey being excited about the iPad stuff

01:11:48 ◼   ► we're about to see in a second.

01:11:49 ◼   ► It's kind of just because of the order,

01:11:52 ◼   ► because as we'll see, this thing that was presented

01:11:55 ◼   ► as a feature of calculator is not a feature of calculator.

01:11:58 ◼   ► It is like an OS-wide service that appears in other OSs

01:12:01 ◼   ► and other places, like it's everywhere.

01:12:02 ◼   ► Sort of.

01:12:02 ◼   ► Well, I think it's just calculator and notes.

01:12:05 ◼   ► Right, but it's clear that it's not

01:12:06 ◼   ► a feature of the calculator app if Notes is using it.

01:12:08 ◼   ► Right?

01:12:09 ◼   ► So it's interesting.

01:12:09 ◼   ► So it's a framework.

01:12:10 ◼   ► Yeah, so what we're going to talk about now is math notes.

01:12:13 ◼   ► Like this is-- so calculator, it's calculator for the iPad,

01:12:16 ◼   ► but then it has this other mode called math notes that--

01:12:20 ◼   ► It's totally unrelated.

01:12:21 ◼   ► It might as well have been a separate app.

01:12:22 ◼   ► That's the thing.

01:12:23 ◼   ► So there's all these apps now that are--

01:12:26 ◼   ► all these features now that are kind of buried

01:12:28 ◼   ► in Apple apps in weird places.

01:12:30 ◼   ► So for instance, like--

01:12:31 ◼   ► You hit that one secret button on calculator.

01:12:31 ◼   ► Right.

01:12:32 ◼   ► There's like the document scanning

01:12:33 ◼   ► that's just built into the files app or preview on the Mac.

01:12:36 ◼   ► There's a whole document scanner you can use with phone cameras

01:12:40 ◼   ► and stuff, and it's tucked into weird places.

01:12:42 ◼   ► Like you don't even know it's there.

01:12:43 ◼   ► Notes is the king of this.

01:12:45 ◼   ► There are so many amazing features in Apple Notes

01:12:49 ◼   ► that you wouldn't really expect to be in a notes app,

01:12:52 ◼   ► and it doesn't really have that much to do with notes

01:12:54 ◼   ► necessarily.

01:12:55 ◼   ► And so this is one of them.

01:12:56 ◼   ► So this math notes feature, this is what they demoed

01:12:59 ◼   ► but I agree, Casey.

01:13:01 ◼   ► I think this is one of the most impressive demos of the day.

01:13:03 ◼   ► Math notes, it's kind of like a combination of calculator

01:13:08 ◼   ► and solver with handwriting in the most amazing--

01:13:12 ◼   ► it's like a handwritten solver, basically.

01:13:15 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:13:15 ◼   ► That's a good way to put it.

01:13:15 ◼   ► The most amazing recognition and ways to play with numbers.

01:13:20 ◼   ► So the way it works is you use the Apple Pencil,

01:13:22 ◼   ► and you can just doodle up a note or whatever.

01:13:25 ◼   ► And any-- if you write like 7 plus 4 equals,

01:13:29 ◼   ► it will recognize that as a mathematical expression

01:13:32 ◼   ► and stick the answer there.

01:13:34 ◼   ► Well, but there-- wait, there's more.

01:13:35 ◼   ► And there's so much more.

01:13:36 ◼   ► But wait, there's more.

01:13:37 ◼   ► Not only does it stick the answer there,

01:13:39 ◼   ► the naive way of building this is it puts a mono-spaced font--

01:13:44 ◼   ► Right.

01:13:45 ◼   ► What did you say?

01:13:45 ◼   ► 7 times 4 is 28 or what have you.

01:13:47 ◼   ► It doesn't matter.

01:13:47 ◼   ► It puts a 28 there in a mono-spaced font, right?

01:13:49 ◼   ► Oh no, baby.

01:13:50 ◼   ► It's going to try to mimic your own flippin' handwriting.

01:13:54 ◼   ► Yep.

01:13:54 ◼   ► How amazing is that?

01:13:56 ◼   ► I don't understand how this is possible.

01:13:58 ◼   ► And I think-- I don't know if this

01:13:59 ◼   ► was part of the same thing, but I think it also improves--

01:14:01 ◼   ► yeah, it improves your handwriting as well.

01:14:03 ◼   ► So when you're scribbling the numbers, it's trying to-- oh,

01:14:06 ◼   ► you made the circle on that 9 is a little bit squished.

01:14:09 ◼   ► It opens it back up for you.

01:14:10 ◼   ► So it's more legible to yourself later.

01:14:12 ◼   ► And then it writes the answer.

01:14:14 ◼   ► And then like Solver, which is a great app

01:14:15 ◼   ► that we should link in the show notes that Casey's not making,

01:14:18 ◼   ► that will-- it's a live thing.

01:14:21 ◼   ► It's like a spreadsheet where the answer is based

01:14:23 ◼   ► on the things that are before it.

01:14:24 ◼   ► One of the really cool things I think I saw in the keynote

01:14:27 ◼   ► was hard to tell because it was far away is what-- they were

01:14:30 ◼   ► like, oh, you can change the numbers.

01:14:31 ◼   ► And I'm like, oh, changing numbers.

01:14:32 ◼   ► Is it going to make me get an eraser tool

01:14:34 ◼   ► and then carefully scribble out the 9?

01:14:36 ◼   ► And you can do-- the presenter did that.

01:14:38 ◼   ► That was one of the choices.

01:14:39 ◼   ► But I think there's like a gesture to sort of just

01:14:43 ◼   ► swipe over the 9 and the whole-- it knows where the 9 is.

01:14:46 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

01:14:46 ◼   ► And the whole 9 disappears and you type a new number

01:14:48 ◼   ► in its place.

01:14:49 ◼   ► And there's a little-- if you hover over it,

01:14:51 ◼   ► it shows a little slider above it.

01:14:53 ◼   ► And you can just slide the value up and down.

01:14:55 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:14:55 ◼   ► And it does more complicated math.

01:14:56 ◼   ► So more ways for kids to cheat on their homework,

01:14:58 ◼   ► not that they need it anymore because there's

01:15:00 ◼   ► a million web-based tools that will do all this for you

01:15:01 ◼   ► already.

01:15:02 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:15:03 ◼   ► I mean, I personally am not a handwriting person.

01:15:05 ◼   ► That's why I like computers.

01:15:06 ◼   ► But tons of people are.

01:15:09 ◼   ► I like solver.

01:15:10 ◼   ► I like typing actual numbers.

01:15:12 ◼   ► I don't want to see my handwriting.

01:15:13 ◼   ► I don't want to handwrite math equations.

01:15:14 ◼   ► But sometimes, especially if you don't know like math ML

01:15:16 ◼   ► or how to make the big--

01:15:17 ◼   ► if you're in an actual math class,

01:15:19 ◼   ► we have big giant expressions with fractions and exponents

01:15:22 ◼   ► and lots of parentheses and square roots

01:15:24 ◼   ► over whole big things.

01:15:25 ◼   ► And doing algebra, this looks like a great teaching tool.

01:15:29 ◼   ► And it's essentially-- I don't know

01:15:31 ◼   ► if it's a public framework, but it's

01:15:33 ◼   ► a private framework that's used by two of Apple's apps.

01:15:34 ◼   ► And it's so amazing.

01:15:35 ◼   ► They should just spread it everywhere.

01:15:37 ◼   ► Like Pencil Kit, I hope they eventually

01:15:39 ◼   ► will make this a third-party thing that you can just pop up

01:15:41 ◼   ► because it's just--

01:15:42 ◼   ► what a great app.

01:15:43 ◼   ► And for the iPad, it's their one app platform that has a pencil.

01:15:47 ◼   ► This is-- what can you do with a pencil?

01:15:49 ◼   ► They're really cranking up the features that--

01:15:51 ◼   ► and we'll see more later-- that appear

01:15:53 ◼   ► with the Pencil in Pencil Kit or with pencil-related things

01:15:56 ◼   ► in the OS.

01:15:56 ◼   ► Yeah, because this feeds right into SmartScript, actually.

01:15:59 ◼   ► This was-- Math Notes and Smart Script

01:16:01 ◼   ► seem to be the same system.

01:16:03 ◼   ► So between-- Calculator has Math Notes.

01:16:06 ◼   ► Notes also has Math Notes.

01:16:08 ◼   ► But Notes takes it further with the idea of Smart Script.

01:16:11 ◼   ► So this is basically the engine that

01:16:13 ◼   ► recreates your handwriting as like a font,

01:16:16 ◼   ► basically, dynamically.

01:16:17 ◼   ► And so as you hand write notes, it

01:16:20 ◼   ► figures out what your handwriting looks like.

01:16:21 ◼   ► As John mentions, if you kind of squish a letter

01:16:24 ◼   ► or flub a letter, it will correct it

01:16:26 ◼   ► to make it more readable as you go.

01:16:28 ◼   ► And because what it's doing is converting your handwriting

01:16:30 ◼   ► into reflowable text.

01:16:32 ◼   ► So after you've handwritten a whole page of notes

01:16:35 ◼   ► with the Apple Pencil in Apple Notes,

01:16:38 ◼   ► you can delete words by scratching them out

01:16:40 ◼   ► and then just collapses them.

01:16:41 ◼   ► You can copy and paste.

01:16:42 ◼   ► You can paste other text in, and it will paste it

01:16:44 ◼   ► in your handwriting.

01:16:46 ◼   ► It's just nuts.

01:16:47 ◼   ► I said to Dan sitting next to me,

01:16:49 ◼   ► I said, oh, they'll also sign checks for you.

01:16:50 ◼   ► Yeah, right?

01:16:52 ◼   ► Like, wait, it's pasting?

01:16:53 ◼   ► Oh, this is-- can people--

01:16:56 ◼   ► do kids still need doctor's notes or notes from your parents

01:16:59 ◼   ► to get out of school?

01:17:01 ◼   ► Oh, this would be great.

01:17:02 ◼   ► No, kids have other ways of hacking that.

01:17:03 ◼   ► They always do.

01:17:03 ◼   ► But this is definitely a cool feature.

01:17:05 ◼   ► And it also has kind of like shades of Newton.

01:17:07 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

01:17:08 ◼   ► Like being able to use handwriting as text

01:17:11 ◼   ► and then interchangeably.

01:17:12 ◼   ► It's amazing looking tech.

01:17:14 ◼   ► I hope it works as well as the demos.

01:17:16 ◼   ► It demoed phenomenally.

01:17:17 ◼   ► If you watch nothing else from the ski note, if you ask me,

01:17:20 ◼   ► watch this like 5 to 10 minute demonstration.

01:17:23 ◼   ► It was-- I think Jenny Chen did it.

01:17:25 ◼   ► It was phenomenal.

01:17:26 ◼   ► It was so cool.

01:17:28 ◼   ► It doesn't evaluate an expression

01:17:30 ◼   ► until you draw an equal sign, which I thought was clever.

01:17:34 ◼   ► She had a column of numbers.

01:17:36 ◼   ► She was putting together like a--

01:17:37 ◼   ► Budget or something.

01:17:38 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

01:17:39 ◼   ► And there was a column of numbers.

01:17:40 ◼   ► And she said, oh, I really wish I had a sum of this.

01:17:43 ◼   ► And so she just underlined the bottom number.

01:17:45 ◼   ► And then magically, a sum appears.

01:17:47 ◼   ► It was unbelievable.

01:17:49 ◼   ► She put a graph in one of them.

01:17:50 ◼   ► She was doing like some physics problem.

01:17:52 ◼   ► Yeah, it has a built in grapher because of course,

01:17:53 ◼   ► might as well.

01:17:54 ◼   ► Why not?

01:17:55 ◼   ► It was incredible.

01:17:56 ◼   ► It was really--

01:17:57 ◼   ► I wish I was not like John and I hand wrote things.

01:18:00 ◼   ► Yeah, right.

01:18:01 ◼   ► I just never do.

01:18:02 ◼   ► But again, if you don't know the correct note,

01:18:04 ◼   ► if you ever tried to enter a complicated algebraic

01:18:06 ◼   ► expression like in Wolfram Alpha or in something or whatever

01:18:10 ◼   ► and you don't know how to do that,

01:18:11 ◼   ► are you trying to use the tools?

01:18:12 ◼   ► Oh, I need a big parentheses.

01:18:13 ◼   ► I'm using a toolbar.

01:18:15 ◼   ► If you don't know the ASCII syntax for it or whatever,

01:18:18 ◼   ► it's just like, just let me draw it.

01:18:19 ◼   ► Just let me draw the expression and this is really making

01:18:24 ◼   ► this stuff more accessible.

01:18:25 ◼   ► And again, there are web based tools that do this.

01:18:27 ◼   ► And there are teaching tools that do all these things as well.

01:18:28 ◼   ► And there's Wolfram Alpha exists.

01:18:30 ◼   ► But this is on your iPad.

01:18:31 ◼   ► This comes with your iPad.

01:18:33 ◼   ► I think this also shows some of the kind of hilarious limits

01:18:36 ◼   ► of the rumor game.

01:18:36 ◼   ► Because it was rumor that there would be like MathML support

01:18:40 ◼   ► in Notes, which like, OK.

01:18:42 ◼   ► It undersells it, yeah.

01:18:43 ◼   ► Yes, it's like that is sort of what this is.

01:18:46 ◼   ► But it's totally missing what this really is.

01:18:49 ◼   ► It's Newton plus solver.

01:18:51 ◼   ► Exactly.

01:18:52 ◼   ► So we get to Mac OS 15.

01:18:53 ◼   ► Sequoia is the answer, which is good because everyone

01:18:57 ◼   ► definitely knows how to correctly pronounce and spell

01:18:59 ◼   ► Sequoia.

01:19:00 ◼   ► But here we are.

01:19:03 ◼   ► Mac OS 15 gets all the Notes stuff we just talked about.

01:19:06 ◼   ► Well, I guess except the pencil related things.

01:19:08 ◼   ► Not necessarily because people can use tablets--

01:19:12 ◼   ► Oh, that's true.

01:19:13 ◼   ► Drawing tablets with the Mac.

01:19:13 ◼   ► I wonder if a wacko would work.

01:19:15 ◼   ► I didn't think about that.

01:19:15 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:19:16 ◼   ► I doubt it.

01:19:18 ◼   ► Then this is what I was alluding to earlier.

01:19:21 ◼   ► They had a big section on continuity.

01:19:22 ◼   ► And I think for me, if you're going to watch one thing,

01:19:25 ◼   ► watch Math Notes.

01:19:26 ◼   ► If you're going to watch two things,

01:19:28 ◼   ► watch this iPhone mirroring stuff.