00:01:51
◼►
Should we record this? So I'm not ready right now, but yes, it would be great to be back at Apple Park and the Steve Jobs theater and watching, you know, it's a little weird because it's just watching a video on the screen now.
00:02:04
◼►
But then afterward that the hands on areas there and I'll see a lot of the same people I see.
00:02:09
◼►
I'll see some people that I don't normally see.
00:02:11
◼►
Um, are relay FM's own Steven Hackett is going to be there, right?
00:02:16
◼►
So the two of you will be on the ground.
00:02:18
◼►
I had the very surreal experience, which is something that I don't think I could have explained to myself of even five years ago that I was invited to go to the iPhone keynote and RSVP'd no, that I would not be going, which is a, it's a very surreal thing.
00:02:34
◼►
It is just as much as I want to be there with you and with Steven, because me and Steven have never been to a keynote together, so I thought that would be a sweet experience for some time. It's just something that I cannot do in good conscience right now.
00:02:48
◼►
Like, yeah, I've got too much going on this month and it would jeopardize too many other things that I've got happening.
00:02:54
◼►
And so like, I don't feel bad about it.
00:02:57
◼►
Like it's a shame, but like I feel good in knowing I made the right decision.
00:03:01
◼►
So like, I feel like I made the right decision.
00:03:04
◼►
So next year, should you just plan to spend September in America and just do it that way?
00:03:10
◼►
This is a conversation that me and Steven are probably going to have, right, about like timing, because like we are able to set the timing of a lot of things.
00:03:19
◼►
Maybe there is a way to time this, to time stuff a little bit different, but it's also like you're timing against something that you have no idea when it's going to happen. So it's always pretty complicated.
00:03:30
◼►
You see, I mean, I also am not going to, I don't really feel like making an entire decision, like plan a decision for something that might not even happen next year.
00:03:45
◼►
As you say, if it was going to be like an in-person presentation, like I might have pushed a little harder and swung for it a little differently.
00:03:52
◼►
But as you say, really all that I feel like I'll be losing out on is the hands-on environment, right, because we're going to be watching the same video.
00:04:10
◼►
I am so busy this month as we are, I think, all so busy this month because we are raising money for the kids of St. Jude.
00:04:18
◼►
As once again at Relay FM, we come together during September, which is Childhood Cancer Awareness Month.
00:04:23
◼►
For the fifth year in a row, the Relay FM community is moving together, like joining together to support St. Jude Children's Research Hospital.
00:04:32
◼►
Their life-saving work is very important.
00:04:57
◼►
We have been doing some stuff over the last couple of weeks.
00:05:00
◼►
You know, we spoke about this a little bit already, and the community has come together in a huge way to, I think, the last parts where we've been at any other point.
00:05:10
◼►
But this is just the beginning of our month-long campaign. St. Jude, they care for some of the world's sickest children regardless of their race, ethnicity, beliefs, or ability to pay.
00:05:21
◼►
Their patients receive customized care to make sure that they can treat childhood cancer and other life-threatening diseases, no matter what barriers that these children may face.
00:05:31
◼►
Because of its supporters, St. Jude can provide children with cutting-edge treatments not covered by insurance at no cost to families.
00:05:39
◼►
Families never receive a bill from St. Jude for treatment, travel, housing, or food, meaning that they can do the one thing that matters most, to focus on helping the child live.
00:05:49
◼►
This September, join Relay FM and St. Jude Children's Research Hospital in recognizing Childhood Cancer Awareness Month by honoring those impacted by childhood cancer.
00:05:58
◼►
And the way that you can honor them is with your money.
00:06:01
◼►
Go to stjude.org/relay. It is as simple as that. This costs money, and it is donors like you who help make this whole thing possible to change what it means for a child to survive when they are diagnosed with cancer.
00:06:18
◼►
Donors who make an individual gift of $60 or more will receive a thank you from us in the form of a digital bundle of Relay FM wallpapers and screensavers. Those who donate $100 or more will receive a 2023 sticker pack featuring some really awesome new designs.
00:06:34
◼►
But you can also take it a step further. You can set up your own fundraising campaign to help us, to join with us, to raise money yourself, to help us all reach our goals while earning some exclusive merch.
00:06:45
◼►
If you fundraise at least $1, you will receive a 2023 faceoff edition of the challenge coin. If you raise $250 or more, you will receive an awesome new desk mat.
00:06:57
◼►
These designs are all over at stjude.org/relay. You can go there and learn more about fundraising, some ideas about how to fundraise. You can share with your friends, your family, your colleagues, your community, and help us raise money.
00:07:11
◼►
You can donate yourself to this campaign, you can get your friends and family to donate to this campaign, and that is more money for St. Jude than would have otherwise existed. This is a great way to get involved.
00:07:21
◼►
Once you make a donation of your own as well, make sure you click the blue search employer button on the donation summary page. This way you'll be able to find out if your employer offers employee gift matching.
00:07:34
◼►
This is really important because if they do, you're going to get some information sent to you by email about how you could get a match credited to our campaign total. This can double your donation.
00:07:44
◼►
So it's just an easy thing to click that button and search when you go to stjude.org/relay and donate.
00:07:49
◼►
Go there right now and you can also find out more about fundraising. That is stjude.org/relay to learn more and donate.
00:07:56
◼►
St. Jude won't stop until no child dies from cancer. Your support will be one step closer to that day. One cure closer, one child closer. This month and every month. Let's cure childhood cancer together.
00:08:08
◼►
Jason, we are here today for the draft.
00:08:17
◼►
This year we are going to have 10 rounds in the draft. There's 20 overall picks within the two of us. The draft will be split into three categories. We're going to have iPhone picks, Apple watch picks and other picks.
00:08:29
◼►
The winner of the previous draft will get the first pick. That is the reward and that person was me.
00:08:34
◼►
The items that we will be picking from are chosen from a predetermined list of choices which we have both agreed could be verifiable on screen and not ridiculously obvious.
00:08:46
◼►
As for an item to count, it must either clearly be announced on stage or on a slide during the presentation. The draft is scored purely from the beginning to the end of the keynote presentation.
00:08:57
◼►
Right. The content. I guess we could change this. I mean it's the content of the video. It must be. So if we say they introduced this processor. Like one of our picks is a three nanometer processor, right?
00:09:08
◼►
They basically have to say three nanometer somewhere in the video, right? Otherwise we don't know and we can't go outside of the content of the film, I guess they call it now. That's not going to happen.
00:09:21
◼►
So it has to be based on the content of the presentation. That's what we're judging here.
00:09:25
◼►
Indeed. Stephen Hackett will adjudicate in case of any scoring stalemate between Jason and I and I'm going to have spies on the ground at Apple Park to make sure that no money changes hands between the two of you.
00:09:36
◼►
It's all on the up and up. I'm going to have my spies there. No partial points are awarded, just four points only. Something's either correct or incorrect.
00:09:44
◼►
The points awarded on the episode of final and will be finalized during the scoring segment. In the case of a tie, there is a tiebreaker question. The loser gets pick of the tiebreaker.
00:09:54
◼►
This is something that I always forget. Is that, does that mean you get the tiebreaker question and then I have to say over or under? Is that what that means? I forget this every time.
00:10:03
◼►
Yes, that's basically what it means. Traditionally, we choose the runtime of the presentation as the over under.
00:10:13
◼►
And so you get to say what the runtime will be and then I get to say over or under on that. Is that correct?
00:10:20
◼►
No, no, I think, is that it? Yeah, I think so. I pick the over under margin and then you choose higher or lower.
00:10:29
◼►
The winner becomes draft champion and they display the champion pennant as I have behind me right now.
00:10:35
◼►
The loser becomes the draft challenger and displays the challenger pennant, which Jason has behind him.
00:10:42
◼►
You can find an interactive scorecard for this so you can score along during the keynote next week over upgrade.cards.
00:10:50
◼►
This is courtesy of the wonderful discord moderator, Zach Knox. Thank you, Zach, for your continued efforts in making the draft a interactive experience for the upgradeians.
00:11:01
◼►
You can also pick up your own draft T-shirt at upgradeyourwardrobe.com. This is available all year round if you would like one of your own.
00:11:10
◼►
I'm going to run through some previous results. So far for this year, there's just been one draft, which is abnormal. There's usually one in the spring, but it wasn't this year.
00:11:20
◼►
And I won that. It was the WBC draft in previous September events. You have won all of them except 2022.
00:11:29
◼►
It's the only time that I won that event. You're on a bit of a winning streak here. So, yeah, I'm doing pretty well.
00:11:35
◼►
So I'm expecting it to end. We'll see. Obviously, I had the advantage, right? This is the advantage I get first picks, but it doesn't mean the tides can't turn as they have turned in the past.
00:12:33
◼►
Yeah. And so, the problem these days is trying to work out what the product balance is going to be.
00:12:40
◼►
Where last year, they spent a lot more time on the Apple Watch because they had the Ultra.
00:12:45
◼►
Now, we're not expecting that this time, but we're expecting maybe a bigger iPhone presentation because they're going to have some new stuff there.
00:12:52
◼►
So that might like rebalance it a little bit.
00:12:56
◼►
Where like maybe there's not a lot of time spent for the watch, but there might be more time spent for the iPhones this time than there was before.
00:13:04
◼►
I think you're exploring the two ways to view runtime, right? Which is how much do they have to talk about?
00:13:09
◼►
And then there's almost a filler, kind of an inflationary expansion kind of thing, which is how...
00:13:16
◼►
Right? Because they're not going to do a 30-minute presentation. So it's sort of a, what do they feel like they can do to get their money's worth?
00:13:24
◼►
So you stack up, I feel like you stack up the blocks of like the product announcement saying that gives you, like it did with WWDC, it gives you kind of a minimum of like, oh, well, they've got a lot or they've got less than they did.
00:13:35
◼►
And then there's the more intangible question, which is, you know, if all they have are the phones and the watch and the watch didn't change very much,
00:13:44
◼►
but they've got some new stuff for the phones, it becomes a question of like, well, how much time do they give to periscope lenses, right?
00:13:53
◼►
How much time do they give to that stuff? How much time do they give to USB-C or whatever to kind of puff it up?
00:14:00
◼►
Because I don't expect that this is going to be a tight 60, right? It seems unlikely.
00:14:06
◼►
I'm going to say this could be on the longer side. So I'm going to say over 93 minutes.
00:14:18
◼►
Okay? I'm going that way purely on like, this is, no matter what else is in there, this is the iPhone event, right? Like that's what this is.
00:14:26
◼►
Like you can put anything else in it. You can have the Apple Watch Ultra in there, but this is the iPhone event.
00:14:31
◼►
And I think this year is going to be a bigger story for at least one iPhone model. And so I think they're going to take the time to tell that.
00:14:38
◼►
I think that's right. I mean, I obviously set this at a point where I have a hard time picking.
00:14:44
◼►
I think there's a chance that it's a lot shorter just because they don't have as much to do it.
00:14:48
◼►
Clearly there's, Zach Knox points out like 2021 was 78 minutes. It was a lot shorter.
00:14:55
◼►
So they can make it shorter, but I think that there's also this whole idea that you want to get your money's worth.
00:15:01
◼►
The world is watching. You want to set the presentation. And it's also possible. I don't remember, but like sometimes when those presentations are short,
00:15:09
◼►
it feels like it's because something came out, right? Like they're like, no, we can't announce that to take that out.
00:15:14
◼►
Also, sometimes we have a level of presentation that is surprising. Last year, I was really surprised at how much time.
00:15:23
◼►
Remember that video they did for the AirPods where like the woman who's introducing them is like on the subway and she's out outside.
00:15:32
◼►
And then she goes into a cafe and she's demoing all of those things. Well, I'll remind everybody that at WWDC,
00:15:40
◼►
they announced some new noise processing features for the AirPods firmware and AirPods as primarily iPhone accessories.
00:15:50
◼►
This would be a time to reestablish that and talk about it. Even if they're just making a minor update to the AirPods, just the case or whatever also lets them kind of like go through that.
00:15:59
◼►
So there's plenty of opportunity for this to balloon up to above 93 minutes. I don't really know. So it's, I mean, that's the beauty of the over under thing, right?
00:16:08
◼►
It's kind of a, I'm just setting the bar at where I think it's going to be hard and then you make a hard decision and we see.
00:16:14
◼►
And if I set the bar badly, then that's bad for me. And otherwise, that's the beauty of it. It's either over or it's not.
00:16:22
◼►
I think this is going to be on the longest. I think last year, I think it really showed that they, like I said, they were flexing with the visual presentation and I expect that to continue.
00:16:33
◼►
I think we saw it at WWDC with the Vision Pro part of the demo was like visually very interesting.
00:16:39
◼►
And I think they're going to do that again. And all of that means that they can take their time a bit more if it's not just people standing in front of screens for an hour and 25 minutes, right?
00:16:48
◼►
Never underestimate Apple's ability to talk about photography for a long time.
00:16:54
◼►
A long time. But you know, like we're going to talk about obviously the things we're expecting, but the entire iPhone lineup is going to get a bit of a shake up this year.
00:17:03
◼►
And this should be seen as one of the bigger years for the iPhone. And so I expect that to be reflected in the amount of time they spend talking about it.
00:17:13
◼►
This episode is brought to you by Squarespace, the all-in-one platform for building your brand and growing your business online.
00:17:20
◼►
You can stand out a beautiful website, engage with your audience and sell your products, services and the content that you create.
00:17:26
◼►
Squarespace has got everything that you need all in one place. With Squarespace, you can really stand out from the crowd.
00:17:33
◼►
They're beautiful best in class templates. You can customize every single design detail.
00:17:38
◼►
We have a reimagined drag and drop system called Fluid Engine.
00:17:42
◼►
It's a Squarespace's next generation design system to allow you to unlock your creativity more easily than ever before.
00:17:48
◼►
You can do this on desktop or mobile as well.
00:17:51
◼►
So if you have that great idea and you're on the train and you have your iPad with you, why not go in and tinker with the design of your Squarespace website to allow you to stretch your imagination.
00:18:00
◼►
With Fluid Engine, it's all built in and ready to go on any new Squarespace site.
00:18:04
◼►
I mentioned that you can sell products. It's so easy to add a store to your Squarespace website if you sell physical or digital goods.
00:18:11
◼►
Squarespace has all of the tools that you need to start selling online, including payment options.
00:18:16
◼►
You can make checkout seamless for your customers with simple but powerful payment tools.
00:18:20
◼►
You can accept credit cards, PayPal and Apple Pay and offer customers the option to buy now or pay later with services like Afterpay and Clearpay.
00:18:28
◼►
It's so simple to be able to go to a Squarespace site. You can set out for your business.
00:18:32
◼►
You can set out for yourself. You can be a portfolio. You can have like just like a personal site. You can have a blog.
00:18:37
◼►
It doesn't matter what type of site you want to make. Squarespace has all of the tools to make that a reality.
00:18:42
◼►
It's why I've been using Squarespace like 15 years now.
00:18:45
◼►
Whenever I have something I want to put online, I just go to Squarespace. It's so simple. It's so easy.
00:18:49
◼►
They have all the features and they take care of all the complicated stuff. So I don't need to check out squarespace.com/upgrade today and sign up for a free trial.
00:18:57
◼►
When you're ready to launch, go to squarespace.com/upgrade and use the code upgrade to save 10 percent of your first purchase of a website or domain.
00:19:05
◼►
There's squarespace.com/upgrade and the code upgrade to get 10 percent of your first purchase and show your support for the show.
00:19:12
◼►
Our thanks to Squarespace for the continued support of this show and all of Relay FM.
00:19:17
◼►
So we move now into the first round. The iPhone picks.
00:19:23
◼►
So I have my little list. So I go through this morning. I take a look at our list that we've worked out over the last week.
00:19:32
◼►
When on the end of last week's episode we realized, oh my God, we need to draft next week most likely.
00:19:37
◼►
And then we then we sprang to work putting the list together.
00:19:41
◼►
So I have my little short list here and my first pick is going to be USB-C announced on all models of iPhone.
00:19:53
◼►
Yeah, it's time. I mean, arguments could be made about why they're doing it now, but realistically, this is the right move for everyone.
00:20:02
◼►
Who doesn't want this? You know what I mean? Let's get rid of one more cable in our lives and go all USB-C.
00:20:08
◼►
It is a vastly superior connector in my opinion, just because I have them everywhere.
00:20:14
◼►
And the lightning cable, I just, you know, I'm losing it. I don't know where that thing is. Get out of here.
00:20:20
◼►
I was struck by Mark Gurman's newsletter this week. We didn't do a rumor roundup.
00:20:28
◼►
He didn't really have anything new to report. So he sort of like played pundit a little bit.
00:20:33
◼►
And I thought I was surprised where he was trying to contribute to the discourse that we that Gruber wrote about it.
00:20:40
◼►
I wrote about it about like how the general public is going to react to this change.
00:20:44
◼►
And I think the answer is going to be that I mean negatively because I was still hearing like, oh, Apple, they just keep changing the cables.
00:20:51
◼►
And like people's stand up comedy routines several years, like a couple of years ago. And it's been 11 years, right?
00:20:58
◼►
Like it's a thing. It's a meme. It's going to get heightened again.
00:21:02
◼►
I think it's going to slide away faster this time because I think the conditions are very different. But the fact is it's going to be a thing.
00:21:07
◼►
I was surprised that Mark Gurman also said something about how people will be mad because they will have invested in a bunch of lightning accessories that don't work.
00:21:16
◼►
And I don't know. I feel like that's overstated and that there's less of that and that a lot of accessories are invalid between iPhone versions anyway.
00:21:29
◼►
And a lot of people have already learned their lesson from all of those clock radios that were in hotels that use the dock connector.
00:21:39
◼►
I think that everybody is either, you know, there's a lot of USB-C out there. There's a lot of lightning or USB-C out there.
00:21:48
◼►
And there's a lot of swapping a cable kind of stuff. Right.
00:21:52
◼►
And so I think it's going to be less of an issue. But Mark leaned into the whole Apple doesn't want to do this.
00:21:57
◼►
They just wanted to wait until they made the portless iPhone. And I kind of rolled my eyes at that.
00:22:02
◼►
It's like a portless iPhone is kind of a dream. And even when it comes, I think it's going to be, you know, portless except for a magnetic connector that Apple makes that does data.
00:22:13
◼►
Right. Like it's going to not really be portless. It's going to be sort of like plug in a plug.
00:22:18
◼►
And I've always been skeptical of that report. So I think I you know, again, I'm sure there are people inside Apple and maybe these are the people Mark Gurman is talking to.
00:22:26
◼►
Who are like, we just we didn't want to do this with stupid EU and all that. And like, I think he's overstating it.
00:22:32
◼►
Honestly, I think that this is a logical step for them. And they were forced into a timeline by the EU.
00:22:40
◼►
And but I would say that's if that's the case that Apple really just planned on using lightning until many years down the line when it finally could invent a portless iPhone.
00:22:49
◼►
I'm glad they got forced into it because this is a better situation. Everybody's got USB-C stuff.
00:22:54
◼►
It will be a transition that will be a little bit painful for some people, but a lot less painful, I think, than the last one.
00:23:00
◼►
So, I mean, I don't even know if I believe the forced into narrative because we like we have to all agree on a thing here because we all apparently agree that it takes multiple years to design an iPhone.
00:23:12
◼►
Right. Like that's an agreement that we all seem to have made together of like, well, they can't make any changes because they have been planned multiple years in advance.
00:23:19
◼►
What so they could have like six months ago just been like, oh, better pull that lightning cable out of it. Like, no, like, you know, they've been planning to put this on there for at least a year before that thing came down from the European Union.
00:23:31
◼►
Like this has just been the route that they were going on. Or at least have maybe for multiple years had it running in parallel. Right.
00:23:38
◼►
Of like, this is a thing that we might do and it's a different design for the phone.
00:23:42
◼►
Yeah, I think I mean, honestly, I think there was that conversation they had shortly after they introduced lightning, which was USB-C was coming then, but it wasn't ready when they did lightning.
00:23:51
◼►
And then USB-C comes along. They're like, well, you know, we already committed to this. And honestly, I think they would have switched sooner if there hadn't been such an outcry and so much negative publicity about the connection, the dock connector to lightning switch.
00:24:06
◼►
Where they're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, we can't, we can't do it yet. And they're finally going to rip the bandaid off and great, I'm glad they're going to do it. But I would actually say this would have happened sooner if they hadn't gotten beaten up so much about the lightning switch.
00:24:21
◼►
And there's going to be so many articles written about this. Right. Because there are publications, you know, like the world media is like hungry.
00:24:31
◼►
You don't believe what Apple's doing again.
00:24:33
◼►
But we, I think we all have to be sensible about this and realize that like, this is very different to when they did it the last time. Like they went from one proprietary connector to another proprietary connector where this time they're going from a proprietary connector to a cable that people already have in their home for something else that they own.
00:24:52
◼►
Yeah. An established standard. Also, I don't think this gets talked about enough. Eleven years ago, people were attaching their phones to their computers to sync stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Nobody, I mean, sorry to those who still do that, but nobody does.
00:25:06
◼►
Nobody does that. That era has ended. It's a charging cable. Maybe it's a cable for your carplay or something. And again, it's a cable swap, right? People very rarely is something designed,
00:25:21
◼►
like there's no car place so far as I know where there's like a little dock with a lightning welded into it. Like a hard wired lightning cable. Exactly. Yeah, exactly.
00:25:31
◼►
Instead, it's a USB plug and you would just take your USB lightning plug out and put in the USB to USB-C plug and it works. I'm sure they're going to be edge cases, but yeah, the scenarios are really different now than they were 11 years ago when the last time, you know, the last time that the switch happened.
00:25:50
◼►
Before upgrade. That's how long ago it was. That's forever ago. Ancient history. Before Relay FM existed. Yeah. With my pick in the first round, I'm also going to go with something that I, I mean, firmly expect to happen, which is a transition from stainless steel to titanium.
00:26:09
◼►
I don't know why I said it that way. I just thought it would be exciting. Presenting titanium in this, a better lighter metal that is going to be much nicer for pro phones than that heavy old stainless steel.
00:26:23
◼►
This isn't your father's iPhone. This one, sir, is titanium. This was my second pick. This is going to be my second pick. Like this one is, these two, they feel sun. Right? They feel right. Yeah, they do.
00:26:38
◼►
And I'm excited about this. I'm intrigued to see truly what a titanium iPhone would feel like. Like people talk about it being lighter and I, and I want, I'm really intrigued to see what it feels like to hold the stainless steel and the iPhone and the titanium iPhones, like in each hand and see how they feel next to each other.
00:26:59
◼►
I'll report back on Tuesday. Yeah, I'm intrigued. This is one of those things where I feel like we've, it's been built up so much that like when we actually do it, it's not going to feel that excellent. You know, it's not going to feel that different because the hype is too high at this point.
00:27:13
◼►
Right. And you're going to be looking for the, the, the weight difference and it'll be different, but like how different and we'll argue about like, can you really tell? And you'll probably, that'll literally probably be a conversation we have in our next episode.
00:27:26
◼►
Jason, did you feel the titanium phone and how does it compare to the, the, the pro and all of that? And we'll, we'll find out. But titanium, like I was thinking again about how two years ago I did myself a, I gave myself a little treat cause it was just my and Lauren's wedding anniversary.
00:27:47
◼►
And I got her a nice thing a couple of years ago. Like I'm not going to go into the details, but I got her like a piece of like a jewelry upgrade essentially.
00:27:59
◼►
And it always comes up when these things happen of like, what is my equivalent of that? What would I get? Cause I am mostly other than a wedding ring, other than a wedding band, I am completely unadorned. Right.
00:28:11
◼►
and I had a flash of insight and I thought, you know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna get the titanium apple watch in black.
00:28:21
◼►
And here's the thing, Mike. I love it. I love it. I love the titanium. I love how it looks. I love how light it is.
00:28:30
◼►
For people who don't know, this is one of the Series watches. This is not the Ultra.
00:28:34
◼►
This was, they had titanium in the Edition line before.
00:28:37
◼►
Seven? I don't even remember what series it is. It's two years ago, Series.
00:28:43
◼►
So, I love it. And, so, more titanium. Titanium all the things, is what I say.
00:28:51
◼►
Because it's, as we learned on this podcast from experts, who are listeners, titanium, anodizable, into various colors.
00:29:02
◼►
We've come a long way from the paint, the silver paint on the titanium power book. And I'm really looking forward to entering the titanium iPhone era.
00:29:10
◼►
Alright, my second pick is the Pro Max/Ultra, depending on what it's called. Maybe that's giving away a potential pick.
00:29:21
◼►
Nondescript large high-end phone to gain a new camera with increased telephoto zoom. Aka Periscope lens.
00:29:33
◼►
Right, like this is the biggest phone will get some kind of new camera module and it will enable a larger zoom.
00:29:42
◼►
You know, people said it's somewhere between 5, 6x instead of 3.
00:29:47
◼►
I'm intrigued to see what it will end up actually being like, but that's what I'm expecting.
00:29:54
◼►
Yeah, more zoom on the big one. Now, I have a question for you, which is, what happens if there's an increased telephoto zoom on both the Max/Ultra and the non-Pro?
00:30:37
◼►
This is the thing that, honestly, people have been talking about Apple experimenting with a Periscope lens.
00:30:42
◼►
The idea here, again, is it's pure optics. You're increasing the depth of the, I'm not a physicist, but it's increasing the length of the lens, essentially, by having a much longer run than the thickness of the camera or of the phone.
00:31:01
◼►
So, the only way you can do that is by turning it on its side.
00:31:03
◼►
So, they have a mirror, it goes down and you can actually have the camera housing run, the actual optics run further down.
00:31:10
◼►
And it's a big deal. Samsung has done it. I think other phone makers have done it. Apple hasn't done it.
00:31:16
◼►
But they've been rumored to be experimenting with it for years.
00:31:19
◼►
And it feels like this is the time when we're going to see it in that one high-end phone that's got the space and this is going to be there.
00:31:28
◼►
On MacBreak Weekly, Leo Laporte likes to bring out this photo he shot that's taken from a bluff, I think, on the ocean over to another bluff.
00:31:40
◼►
And he keeps zooming in. And it was taken with one of these, I think, Samsung Periscope phones.
00:31:45
◼►
And it's amazing because it's this really far away bluff across. It's like a landscape.
00:31:51
◼►
And you keep zooming in and eventually you can literally see that there is a guy on that landscape looking back, holding a camera.
00:31:59
◼►
It's pretty impressive, right? And some of that is digital zoom with cleanup.
00:32:04
◼►
But this is how Apple will do it too, probably, is that they will have an increased optical zoom.
00:32:11
◼►
And then there will be some digital zoom with using the sensors to clean it up and make it look pretty good.
00:32:19
◼►
And I can't wait to see it because this could be just a huge step forward for iPhone users in terms of photography.
00:32:27
◼►
I'm trying to reserve my excitement because I got overexcited about the 48 megapixel sensor.
00:32:36
◼►
I thought last year that the new sensor going into the iPhone was going to be a huge step change, like one we hadn't seen in a long time.
00:32:46
◼►
And I would say that that did not happen.
00:32:49
◼►
There is a big change that you can unlock with given the right tools and the right circumstances.
00:32:56
◼►
But I don't think that it has made a very noticeable big jump from the previous system.
00:33:04
◼►
So I'm expecting there to be a difference. But how big a difference will that be? I don't know.
00:33:12
◼►
Also, like how much will I want to use it? I don't know. Right?
00:33:16
◼►
Like, am I going to be frustrated by the fact that I have now like one, two and six?