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the incomparable number 324 October 2060
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welcome back everybody to be
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uncomfortable i'm your host Jason L this
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is a special edition of our comic book
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club we this time though it rather than
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talking about one specific comic we're
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gonna talk about a lot of comics there's
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a service that's made available by
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Marvel Comics called marvel unlimited
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it's a pretty good deal they have a ten
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dollar a month plan but they've also got
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a 69 dollar-a-year plan and you get to
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read as much as you like from a catalog
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of they see more than 17,000 at this
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point marvel comics I've been a
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subscriber for a few years now because I
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realized that I you can read like a very
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small number of comics like 20 comics
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and it pays for itself if you buy the
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year so we thought we would do and i was
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inspired a little bit by a conversation
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I had with my co-host from upgrade my
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curly who was wondering about getting
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into comics we've also heard this from
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some other people like if I got marvel
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unlimited what what should I read
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because there's 17,000 comics to choose
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from so I've assembled a panel comic
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readers we're going to help me in draft
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form to suggest things that you could
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read on Marvel unlimited or if you
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prefer to buy or go back and get back
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issues you could do that too but I think
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Marvel unlimited is not brought to you
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by Marvel unlimited I do think it's a
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pretty good deal if you think you're
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going to read more than 20 comics in a
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year anyway joining me and i'm going to
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introduce them in the order in which
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they're going to pick as randomly
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selected by random.org first place miser
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hi how are you I was not expecting to a
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free win by a longshot random daughter
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likes you and wants you to pick for so
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get ready for that
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alright alright I'll picking second will
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be Monty Ashley hi Monty night Jason ram
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dog like you okay well thanks random.org
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you're all right to picking third is
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chipset earth hardship
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oh thank god i'm not the last one but
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I'm always last but picking between chip
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and me is is two young boys us
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xlc or true believer I hope not hate
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your subscription fees thats painted
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keep a credit card on file should we be
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facing front I've never clear face front
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true believers should be facing front
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that's the only way only way to face
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luckily that's where my face always is
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alright so with that with the idea being
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that we're essentially building a little
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bit of a comic book reading list of
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people have things that they can try
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especially if they sign up for Marvel
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unlimited even if you put down ten bucks
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for one month you could give it a go and
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they often have sales so that's the
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premise here before we get started with
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the pics i thought we would we should at
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least talk about the service when this
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started it was all in a web browser on
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computers in and it used flash and the
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big moment of change for them was that
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they ended up building a mobile version
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that was a viewable on tablets
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especially originally it was very weird
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and it was sort of like a web-based view
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inside of a nap and wasn't very good
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it's it's better now although i would
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never call it best-in-class by a long
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it's sort of i was saying before we got
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started it's sort of now it's gone from
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being sort of survivable and and and all
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that to being kind of okay but I
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wouldn't say that it's its
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state-of-the-art in any way in terms of
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in terms of its a its app interface on
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an iPad let's say no it it's it's a
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work-in-progress you could in fact say
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that the product itself is a draft Lou
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interesting light i would say that it
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the app has gotten progressively better
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over time but still i'm not sure i would
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say it was good i think it's just yeah
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it does keep improving it isn't
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abandoned every time they do an update
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there seems to be something that they
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took off that is one of the things they
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needed to do but it's still got a ways
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I think well to be clear the content
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inside the app is great and that kinda
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elevates the bad app it's wrapped in a
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Maasai man often on subscriber to marvel
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limited and one of the reasons it's
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often on is because i have a difficult
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time with the experience sensitive so
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radically different from reading a comic
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that you're holding in your hands are
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the end I can't organize things the way
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I want to
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that's one of my major frustrations with
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this is I can't is I can't group issues
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bye-bye
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I can group them by x crossover special
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event or resource them by author
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research them chronologically the way i
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would like to yes
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and that bugs me i should be able to i
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should be able to put stuff in a library
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and then filtered any one of a number of
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ways and then put together that way I
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can't do that drives me bananas so i'm
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very new to marvel unlimited I'm a I'm a
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die-hard comiXology a fan and I read the
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end it and it is such a smooth polished
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product and then yeah jumping into
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unlimited you try to search for creators
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and some of the creator's aren't listed
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some of the books pages are out of order
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they do their best to try to sort
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storylines that ran in between different
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books but it doesn't always work and
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like you said Lee so you can't sort it
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yourself for your own satisfaction so I
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keep reminding myself as I use this past
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in the immortal words of plucky duck you
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know but don't complain it's free it's
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not it's not free but every individual
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comic that you read it is free
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once you once you subscribe yeah yeah
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trade-offs and the metadata is better
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also better than it used to be but again
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yeah not i would say not good but better
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than it used to be you can find more
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things you did it used to be that a lot
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of the covers didn't show up at all or
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they were the wrong covers they're
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mostly the right covers now if you know
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you still got things where the
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publication date isn't accurate at all
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yes not even matter of it being a little
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bit off but it will be you know they
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issued 300 of x-force from 1978 or
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something
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one of my persistent feature requests
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that i wanted so so badly tying into at
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least was saying is back in the days of
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of itunes and the the itunes music store
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low those hello days many years ago
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there were there were these custom
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playlists that you could just make
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available on the iTunes Store and it
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would be hey it's so and so's mix of all
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these songs that you can pay money for
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oh wow that's great i would love to be
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able to you know be a user create
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reading orders for different things
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whether it's events for my own purposes
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whether it's ok you want to die i want i
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want better metadata so that i can use
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it better so that they can use it better
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it's it there's so much potential still
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that that needs to be unlocked out of
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this thing and the the big one of the
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big hang-ups that I have as somebody who
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doesn't travel a whole time like I'm not
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getting on a plane for three hours on a
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regular basis but I know that people do
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and that's one of the reasons that
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people like having access to all the
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stuff and if you don't have internet
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access it is the upper limit still 610
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well it's 12x12 ok so so the very least
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you can put 12 issues of whatever on
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your device and have them with you
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offline but you have to make all of
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those decisions right away and that's
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what you're stuck with pretty much and
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you have to check them out so they can
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check something else back in and it's
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just it that that's insanely frustrating
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to me because it feels like a layer of
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drm that is not actually protecting
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against anything as easy as it is and
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has been for a long time for people to
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steal stuff I just don't like they take
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advantage of the medium the advantage
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that you have with digital content
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digital comics / the print version is
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that with digital comics you can in
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theory i like the zooming in and out of
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panels like for people who are really
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into the art of the comic that's
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fantastic because you get to see it that
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said as somebody who read scott mccloud
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river for informative a hinge the layout
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of panels on a page are often a really
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important story telling element and so
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when you do the comic zoomin zoom-out
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it's kind of challenging to balance the
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storytelling elements and I feel that
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with digital comics you really have to
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find a way to embrace the medium and
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there's no way to do like it drives me
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crazy that in the older comics when they
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meant when they cross reference stuff
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that happened other issues you can
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automatically click and have it come up
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oh yeah yeah I would love to be able to
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hyperlink or drill down in comics like
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that there's no reason why you shouldn't
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be able to do that see issue 23 for more
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on dr. drew it or something right
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yeah or or you know for example i'm
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thinking about the annuals are like as
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established and in in New Mutants number
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five ed and then they should be able to
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click to that panel in the mutants
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five and have the person's women out
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there is no reason why you can't be able
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to do hyper linking or have a pop-up
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window or something that lets you later
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the information um otherwise honestly
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like what if i'm reading a pilot trade
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paperbacks and say it's the mutants
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classics which are which are now out in
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trade if if there isn't like that in in
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in trade number four I can go and reach
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over and grab issue number to flip back
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and find it like it's ridiculous that i
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can do that with a bunch of books and I
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cannot do that with a digital archive I
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think that's there at this point I think
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that's the number one we're number one
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problem I mean I i realize that there's
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a huge archive
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oh yeah it's huge but the idea that they
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could they could take this metadata and
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they could interlink it and that I mean
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on the web you can find reading whole
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reading list for four characters and
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comics where you can follow them through
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and it's all in continuity and you can
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go for events and all of these things
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have been done and then on the the the
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Marvel unlimited app there it's very
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limited what they offer nobody else can
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offer you can't build your own and that
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that's the I mean I think that's
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obviously the next step because some of
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this stuff works by far the best when
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it's a when it's done like that it when
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it's all interleave together let's start
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the drive Lisa what's what's your first
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choice of something that people should
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read so my first choice is actually tied
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into Squirrel Girl the I've really
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enjoyed the revival of the that the
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jessica jones and everything about this
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squirrels to fight Wolverine to dealing
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period and it's hilarious by brian
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michael bendis that's the same issue
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where it's in its heavily I would say
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not heavily implied but Triple
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underlined and highlighted that
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Wolverine and squirrel girl you know the
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past have a past
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it's taken this long but this Doreen
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ryan North conception of her and as it
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really hilarious and it also provides a
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handy time capsule of exactly how mood
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yachties as well where you're like
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that's what you're doing now huh
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and I went to a wormhole with the fear
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itself event that they did but anyway
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this is a pretty funny standalone issue
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from oh my god what they do is grow real
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thing and it's also if you've been
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watching normal TV it's interesting to
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see how they've had a flush out jessica
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jones and luke cage as a pair of
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functioning parents there too and I
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think that relationship is kind of
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fascinating to look at in light of how
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book recently as well so new avengers 15
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you don't even have to know anything
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about the like New Avengers 1 through 14
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this this works fine as a standalone as
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snapshot of the history that was which
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gets even funnier if you are currently
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steeped in the marvel that is right now
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ok Monty Europe alright i thought i was
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going to get sniped but i did not i am
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picking the current the unbeatable
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squirrel girl run in fact haha
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in fact i'm gonna pick both of the
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unbeatable schoolgirl runs because in
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there was this title the unbeatable
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schoolgirl it ran for eight issues and
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then marblehead a relaunch of everything
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unbeatable schoolgirl
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started up exactly the same still
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written by Ryan or still drawn by Erica
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Anderson still delightful it is super
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fun in every panel Doreen is a great
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character and as it says in the title
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she's unbeatable she's taken down while
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she's taking down Galactus he's taking
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down an iron man shaking out all of the
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Avengers huh
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she's great colitis the galactics one is
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pretty special how that how that story
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is told that they all say they come to
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an understanding will have to think
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she's not a fight first superhero she
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always tries to reason with them that I
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love her tangling with dr. damn uh huh
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so that's my pic it's a current series
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now it's just such a great series so
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there's not much of it there but there's
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just stick around more issues come up
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every time that's right i do love that
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they normally try to identify which
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volume of a comic that's got multiple
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numbers by the year and of course
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unbeatable squirrel girl has two number
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ones in the same year and howard the
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duck has the exact same problem all of
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the animals superheroes all of them you
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know there's 2015 and then there's 2015
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forward version but they're both they're
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yeah they're both great chip what's your
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pic first pic well my first pick is not
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going to surprise anyone because this is
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a comic book that has moved me to song
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in the past i am going to reach into the
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eighties and pull out for issues 337 to
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382 the famous run of four written by
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walter simonson that I this is this is
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the thing that really turned me into a
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comics fan again after the your
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traditional read comics when you're a
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stop reading comics one of your nerdy
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friends in junior high school says hey I
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still read comics and you start
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puttering around and comic book shops
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this is a really really long run it's an
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epic story of and it's the first time I
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really think that
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more detailed history on comments you
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may beat me you made correct me on this
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but I think this is the first time that
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Thor really broke away from the jack
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kirby mold to turn into this fusion of
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homage to the real classic Norse myths
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mashed up with a marvel super science
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bill and the first storyline you get the
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elimination of the Don Blake alter ego
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arc that is Ragnarok the fall of the
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gods and then you keep on going right up
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with the thor fighting and dying against
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the Midgard serpent or does e it's it is
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remarkable it is epic
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it's a little awkward reading in the
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21st century because this is that a sort
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of a liminal time in marvel comics when
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the UH when the storytelling was
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becoming super ambitious and yet
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characters were constantly monologuing
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they were constantly describing what
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they were going to do this was before
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they moved all the stuff to thought
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bubbles it well before caption caption
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narration is the character who most
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narrate everything he does
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oh yeah oh yeah and but did this this
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time bigtime but it is it if you're into
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epic long-form storytelling uh this is
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this is I think I don't know that Marvel
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ever did it any better
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walter simonson is a great writer and
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this is tailor-made for Marvel unlimited
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because it you know it the whole run is
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there and you you've already paid for it
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this is this is this is 50 odd comics
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you're going to make that back it just
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off the subscription in no time
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I feel like I feel like this is where I
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do my iron chef style of focus on
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interjection has ideas I I could not
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agree more with the with the with chips
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assertions about Walter Simon's a
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three-run it's it's really still held up
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as one of the great classic runs and
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it's from an era where you would get a
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creative team whether a team of a writer
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and an artist or a writer artist in the
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case Walt where they did and
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uninterruptedly five years of something
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with no brakes with no fillings with no
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late issues and just got the work done
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the introduction of beta ray bill
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incredibly controversial the time and
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there was no Twitter their blogs are no
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forms there was a reserved character
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that really picked up the hangman
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exactly and that there was nowhere for
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phantom to go exploding outrage file
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lawsuits put in a change.org petition
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any of that kind of stuff everybody
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hated beta ray bill and then a couple
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months later buddy love better a bill
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and he was awesome and he was great why
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is there a t-shirt of this and all my
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god is the greatest thing ever
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why isn't he in the comic book all the
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time let's move on that's a lot of Thor
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and a lot of beta ray bill I'm not
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surprised ship by the way I'm not you
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even a little bit surprised i've gotta
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be me Moyes is what would you like to
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choose now when we started I asked you
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what the ground rules are for this and
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I'm i am I i want to tempt fate because
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to a I assume that nobody else selected
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something that would be covered in this
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so my pic is the entire history of
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Marvel crossover events
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ok are those on Marvel unlimited the
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vast majority of them are and Marvel
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limited is the reason that i was able to
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catch up on a bunch of them when on at
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four mentioned comics podcast my co-host
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and I said hey let's do a two-episode
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thing just cover all the crossovers for
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both companies just hit the high points
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and then like 13 installments later we
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got all the way through all of them
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because marvel unlimited allowed us to
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reread pretty much all of them even the
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super obscure ones that have never been
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collected in trade or have been out of
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print in trade for over a decade
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one of my favorites among them if i were
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to pick out one is from the period of
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Marvel bankruptcy called
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maximum-security written by Kurt music
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that it takes the the idea that all of
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the different galactic empires and so on
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that Earth has has run afoul of have
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have had full well enough of all of
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Earth superheroes using the galaxy as
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there is their battleground and have
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decided to isolate earth set up a
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barrier so that nobody can get
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off-planet and dump all of their
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criminals onto earth and turn earth into
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the galaxies penal colony Ronan the
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accusers and a bunch of characters that
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people know a lot better now are in
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there but you can you can read this it's
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very short
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it's on Marvel unlimited and it's one of
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my favorite Marvel crossover events now
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that I actually know that existed
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it's a great way to to to dip into a
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crossover event that somebody said well
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this is kind of important or this is you
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know what to really understand what's
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going on spider-man you need to go back
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to acts of vengeance some of these
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crossover events have not been again you
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know going back to previous comments not
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reprinted regularly not kept in print
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reliably and the beautiful hardcover
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editions of them you can't find them for
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less than four hundred dollars so the
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the thing for me that made marvel
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unlimited incredibly valuable was that I
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didn't have to fork over cash to buy the
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trade paperbacks of these things that i
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may or may not have liked and kind of
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wanted to read mostly for historical or
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relative appreciation but that includes
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the good stuff to you know you've got
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the original secret wars you've got a
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contest of Champions which I consider a
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crossover even though it didn't operate
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defenders that anybody's familiar with
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marble crossover events now with with um
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with unlimited again delayed eight
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these big events and if a particular
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tie-in comic there was no good you just
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publishing or publishing rights for so
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crossover events that you even if Marvel
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from infinity and reading an issue of
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the crossover event that it was
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something of a new york and oh there's
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some crap happening in the sky
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I don't know what that is let's keep
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going guys and it just didn't touch it
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all the time now that but I yeah I if I
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crossover events worth checking-out
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maximum maximum security is definitely
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one accidental is another where they
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take they take the roads galleries of
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different marvel super heroes they all
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get together they say wait a minute
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let's get this straight why are we all
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fighting the same good guys every time
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bit and cause some real havoc for for
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the good guys and it plays out great
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it's funny it was it was a much needed
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shake up the other the other one that i
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binge than it did individually issues
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month-to-month it played out like an
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episode of dragon ball z
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where it took 20 minutes to advance a
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tenth of a second in actual event time
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remotely as obscure a pic so hopefully I
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yeah you did tonight was going to be my
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round to pick up secret wars haha i'm
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going to give voices Marvel crossover
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something rather than take one some of
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the more obvious ones i'm going to go a
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recommend people out there check out
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ideal games ya series that neil gaiman
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was written and it's a fascinating
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characters that you will be familiar
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with and they they behave like you'd
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expect except sometimes they don't and
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would say a satisfying conclusion and
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eight issues very clever
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there are several sequels you don't need
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to read them
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fund or something like that but it was
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part of the way that he got control of
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the character Angela back from Todd 414
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issue miniseries that's pretty good it's
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all Marvel unlimited 1602 so try it out
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that's my back a naughty naughty true
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believer
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indeed he wait until you meet Peter
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like virginia Dare in that series
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uh ok second round will try to pick up
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the pace a little bit or we'll be here
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all night Lisa what do you have my
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Deadpool the movie came out this year
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although it's on my DVR and I'm honestly
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just waiting for anywhere i can sit down
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some point into it but i thought well
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one of the reasons i took such pleasure
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in watching The Avengers is because when
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go okay they got that from ultimate
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adventures they got that from ultimate
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adventure is over and so I'm kind of
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curious i kind of want to watch did pull
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until I understand what they've lifted
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from the comics if anything and and what
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is entirely the invention screenwriters
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and in my for through Deadpool I have
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really been enjoying the one-year run of
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Deadpool Merc with a mouth it's by
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Victor kichler and bong bong choices you
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can correct my pronunciation its bond as
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0 or days oh who does the pencils I
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have an answer to anyway long story
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short Deadpool has to go get a bioweapon
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it turns out to be his own zombified
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head from an alternate dimension and in
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doing so he also managed to double-cross
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lunatic series and the thing I like
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about is not only is the story super not
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only the story rollicking it's basically
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a caper the covers on the series are
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graduate and pretty woman in Jaws and
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it's just delightful
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too seriously and this one certainly
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doesn't and for people who are like well
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but I don't want to commit entirely like
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this is a good way to start
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I have found I don't think any of this
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will show up in the movie and now i
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kinda don't care all right
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deadpool yeah yeah yeahs work with the
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deadpool colon work with the mouthiest
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there's like five different Deadpool
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series in there on the list Monty Monty
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except for secret wars because it really
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does deserve its own spot
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great then my pic is secret wars what I
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clear what one obviously the one from
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there isn't one but is it historically
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universe taking a bunch of villains and
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a bunch of heroes
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clapping them on a planet and saying
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the hell we were doing so it was the
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most awesome thing in the world for all
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the heroes and all the villains to be
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more motivation than ok fight and there
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villain he turned out to be sort of good
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towards the end this is in fact we're
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spider-man's ridiculous black suit that
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turned into venom comes from yep
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don't just a black suit i'm saying this
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too late the origin of the suit is silly
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that's true he yeah it is some dispenser
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rewards is they all the heroes disappear
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from their books in one month and in the
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next month they all returned say wow
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something that was incredible what
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happened there
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that sure was a secret war and we had to
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watch it for for a year and one of the
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big ones was boys when you find out of
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spider-man got that costume that's going
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to be something and it's like well he
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went into a cave and there was a costume
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where some alien coupe just drips on it
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yeah I'd forgotten that aspect of it
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because one of the big ones was uh the
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makeup of the Fantastic Four
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yeah that was huge ends up with a
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she-hulk replacing with me
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to a simpler time and storytelling where
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you could have lots of fights / issue
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instead of an issue about where the
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people talk about fighting and that an
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issue where they start to fight an issue
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where they continue fighting i do not
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recommend secret worst to know where the
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beyonders comes to earth
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and is taught how to pee by spider-man
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cool he's taught a poop i'm telling you
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i think it's in the spider-man ty
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initiative and I'm sorry that I know
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that so precisely that's entertainment
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if you follow chips recommendation to
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read or you will see some of the beyond
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ER right next to the scenes where Thor
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turned into a frog frog the same issue
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yeah the the original secret wars i love
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how everybody seemed to like
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antagonistically call magneto Maggie
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there too
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there's there's always some weird dr. do
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stuff I you know one of the only ones
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who says this is ridiculous how can we
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fight back against the situation instead
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of just like their street-level goons
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there or like what do I do
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I'm a villain i feit heroes well there's
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enormous sized ship your turn
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wave agents of hate
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oh I hate you so much right now I'm
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sorry people for skull and crossbone
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symbols in a row that's how I feel right
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have lasted this long it's warren ellis
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heroes and has been heroes including the
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former captain marvel from the Avengers
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Monica Rambeau and machine machine and
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drinking problem who has a drinking
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problem and a guy who they just call the
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captain because his real name is Captain
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censored arm and characters like that
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demented send-up of shield called hate
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and their lunatic leader Colonel Dirk
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anger not Nick Fury
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Dirk anger and the first storyline
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great kirby dragon Fin Fang Foom
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pants and adjust descends from there
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this is an insane beautiful 12 issue
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series about what I have to read this
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and his pants during drinking has pants
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wearing dragons there is it's it's it's
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parentally noted by creators as a
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favorite book of theirs that they wish
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they could bring back and I bet they're
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a dozen people who write for Marvel
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right now who would kill to write a new
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next wave book but only if Pope Warren
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past and and handed over the reins to
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somebody else
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it is so so beloved among creator
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specifically there are some weird
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moments in the wider marvel universe
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where it almost seems like it seems like
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this intersects with the with the MU but
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just just pick it up and read it and
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ignore the rest of the Marvel Universe
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ignore everything else in Marvel
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unlimited just read these 12 issues as a
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Andy you will giggle yeah you don't have
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to know who any of the characters are at
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there's there's no hype no height
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requirement that roller coaster
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oh at but you better not like broccoli
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no okay good i hate it was that's what's
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your second pic use your pic first pic
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to pick you know hundreds of comics
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across many different events but not see
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what I asked you what the rules were for
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a reason so that i can then bring those
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of time and space i'm going to go much
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more simply you can you can read the
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entirety of Christopher priests
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five-year run on Black Panther which
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began in 1998 on Marvel unlimited and it
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is some of the best superhero comics
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written in the last 20 years if you ask
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me i'm striking that one off my list
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victory is mine but you've got to you've
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got ever k Ross who popped up in captain
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america civil war the movie he's in
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there of course the child the Black
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Panthers in there lots of what continent
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intrigue is in there it is it is a book
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that was born out of Marvel Knights
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which is this for title
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small group that was handed to a couple
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of couple guys named Jack us out and
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jimmy palmiotti who I here still do
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comic books in some form or another
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these days and and this is this is one
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of those four characters that launched
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that imprint that really transformed
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marvel in the late nineties just on the
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verge of the Marvel bankruptcy and
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either the spirit of the marvel alliance
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characters is ok leave these in our box
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and leave us alone and don't tie it into
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your events and don't make us do this
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and don't make us do that and i love the
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12 issue in humans miniseries that was
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part of that i very much enjoyed the run
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of daredevil that started of kevin smith
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and transition over to David Mack and
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various other folks after that point but
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for me the the real here is a great way
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to dig into this character that a lot of
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people are interested in now that he's
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in movies is this really definitive run
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a black panther Reginald Hudlin had a
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great run that came after this one
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it was very good but really when it
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comes down to it if there is a
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definitive run on the character Black
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Panther it is this one barn on all right
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i'm adding that to my list that's great
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okay i'm going to close out round two
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with a i love how we can pick single
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issues or just dozens of issues and it's
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all good it's all part of the whole are
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you setting up for some really odd
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selection only a little bit the nineteen
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seventies the odd-numbered issues i'm
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going to choose a run and not only am I
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going to choose a run by a writer and
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artist i'm going to choose the longest
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continuous run by writer-artist in
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comics which is like you ultimate
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spider-man which began in the year 2000
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brian brian michael bendis and Mark
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Bagley to which issue should you read
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well start with issue 1 and then you can
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jump off when bag leaves the book in
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issue 111 but I read all of them and
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then you could keep going if you like
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because then Stuart imminent comes in
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and it's pretty great too but I love
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ultimate spider-man i love Bendis
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retelling using modern storytelling
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techniques a lot of the classic stories
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of spider-man
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and yes mønsteret out techniques monte
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means that what took one issue for Steve
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Ditko and Stanley takes like 12 issues
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for her for Bendis exactly but he's
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retelling so much of spider-man that
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sometimes something that lets say bogged
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down spider-man four years and years
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some sort of saga can be retold tighter
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and well it's true it's true with some
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very interesting variations i think that
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the explanation for spider-man's origin
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and how it sort of tied up in Norman
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Osborn's quest to build a super-soldier
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serum and it leads to Norman Osborn
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becoming a very different and far more
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Green Goblin it is all part of this too
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yeah it's my favorite spider-man's yeah
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obviously spider-man's my favorite
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superhero but ultimate spider-man is a
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wonderful retailing and modernizing of
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the character while never forgetting
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sort of what what's at the core of
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spider-man the artist beautiful the
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supporting cast is great if if buffy the
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vampire slayer joss whedon said was sort
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of like what if we did a TV show of
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spider-man except you know it will will
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do a gender flip and you know it will be
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record ropes of super trips but he said
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it was a huge spider man was a huge
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inspiration when he did Buffy well
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ultimate spider-man is kind of like
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Buffy taking back the other way there's
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a whole supporting cast around him it's
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not just him as a loaner Mary Jane and
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Gwen Stacy and Aunt May and and other
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characters but you know jenna jameson
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are much more supporting characters then
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they were in so much of the original
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spider-man so I love it it's great
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that's run to there's more Lisa what
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what's gonna start with round three
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so i'm i'm i'm also picking a run so
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i've i've talked about this series this
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is really the series that is the closest
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to my heart because the one that i read
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through high school and identified with
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really strongly and so my pic is the new
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mutants run that went from 1983 okay
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cause i wanna run on ya I want to warn
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the I want to warn the listeners however
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that the number and gets really flipping
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wonky right around
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number 40 so my recommendation is to
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just read one through 40 binge on it
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give yourself a little space and then
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enjoy hopping and skipping from issue 46
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to issue 62 issue 71 and then jump ahead
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to the last 44 issues that they have in
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this run which are done by Rob life old
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sorry just instinctive reaction because
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i'm truly it's just it
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it's a distinctive look and especially
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if you go back and you're looking at how
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things are done in the beginning and how
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i'm the the the cloud and the bush that
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that sandwich stuff looks and then you
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go two pouches pouches and ponytails all
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patches and 5000 but i highly recommend
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running through issues 1 340 what I find
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really exciting about this book is chris
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claremont sat down and basically said
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alright we have a bunch of x men who
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have who have aged into adulthood
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let's see what it's like to have a bunch
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of teenagers for mutants in the nineteen
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eighties instead the nineteen sixties
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how is their world different because
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they have a generation ahead of them
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how do they deal with having these
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footsteps to fill and how did how do you
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grow up as a second-generation mutant
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and I think the reason that that
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resonates with me so strongly is as
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somebody who's grown up in the cultural
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shadows of the baby boomers it's kind of
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like having the cultural conversation
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that you see in partying in the media
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when they talk about the baby boomer
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generation x Millennials it's fun seeing
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that theme reflected in amplified a bit
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in the comics it's interesting watching
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them try to develop mutants who can be
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compelling with powers that are cool but
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not duplicating the already existing
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powers of other mutants and it's fun
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watching that it's fun watching the user
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identity has some of these guys go
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deeper into their meant to be and other
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people try on different identities and
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discard them i love the twist the door
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and my frost starts teaching and it's
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just it's a good time
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it's a lot of fun and I also feel like
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it provides a really handy visual
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history of the way comics were drawn
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from about 93 2 1989
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so you know if you've got an afternoon
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or to just flip on through and then
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wonder why more of these care
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haven't broken into the the big-league
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sense well they're making a new mutants
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movie so we'll see what how they do but
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i had this on my list too and it's funny
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least I wrote down issues 1 through 30
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something like in there is where I'm
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like yeah then you can stop if you do
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get Scott gets confusing then I had 1831
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just give me the building cabbage and
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there you were fine i didn't even bother
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putting it on my list is knew we were
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gonna we're gonna take it so well yeah I
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love that the whole concept of the New
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Mutants yeah I wish you know what I want
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more these guys make up to the big
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leagues as it were I mean they're
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powerful enough and they've been around
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for 30 years you think at some point but
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sunspot features fairly prominently in
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the Avengers arc that led to the new
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secret wars event he's actually in there
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a lot as sort of a all again all
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grown-up see because they're not they're
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making the new that the old New Mutants
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your what's your what's your next one
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Monty well I have won from the last
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the giant from outer space my max king
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of the mummies he's also joined tight
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gorgonzola and here in a issue 13 is
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anything else that they're currently
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using is older than the Fantastic Four
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is older than fin fang foom i guess just
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just like Captain America right would be
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holder in the well write him
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sure you know sorry but then its crude
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crude is number two there
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I take it back fine I'll go back to
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saying hilarious names a creature from
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kroger gar ramen way to the supermarket
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ka rog ARR okay not the supermarket got
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a rogar every issue has like three or
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four stories they usually end with a
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really sub twilight zone twist they're
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all super super fun they do bring up my
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main complaint about Marvel unlimited
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which is I really wish they had the ads
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in these issues
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yeah because I want somebody telling me
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how to learn kung foo and selling me
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live monkeys i have the x-men the x-men
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DVD or or cd-rom or whatever it was that
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had all the issues in PDF format and
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they had all the ads in them and the ads
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show great they're so grave that you
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know those comments are just pdfs you
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cannot rip the DVD and then download all
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those onto your iPad yes don't really
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need to anymore but you can
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yes I've done that that's my pic tales
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to astonish was through let's say 24 and
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issue 13 is the one with Groot the
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monitoring of group
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from Planet X monster from Planet X he
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Earth but it turns out he's made of wood
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is not that great an idea know how to
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deal with wood Groot
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come on things yeah Planet X get it
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together okay chip your your your choice
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one of the glorious things about Marvel
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unlimited it happened with the departure
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of the star wars license from dark horse
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comics are we'll see what you picked and
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yeah let's go hope I'm i am not going to
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pick the entirety of the star wars
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franchise good
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only a monster would do that Jack's on
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his mind
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the other big comic that I was into that
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got me back into comics was the Marvel
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there was no such thing as an expanded
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universe there was no such thing as
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continuity and one of the one of the
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things that you ought to use marvel
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unlimited for because it's cheaper than
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buying these individual issues on
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comixology is the runs of curiosities
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not that are not necessarily worth
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spending a lot of money on the
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individual issues for but you should
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just take a look at that so my pic is
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the run of Star Wars comics that takes
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place after Return of the Jedi issues 81
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2107 just for the sheer weirdness factor
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of Marvel sitting there going okay what
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do we do now there's no Lucas storey
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group there's nothing so they just try
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to figure out what they're going to do
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with uh with a galaxy where the
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Emperor's just dead and there are
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remnants of the Imperials going at each
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other and what they they do a couple of
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sort of interesting things is they bring
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in outside aliens
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this is well before the Yuuzhan Vong in
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the Expanded Universe but they bring in
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and out they bring in a couple of
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external threats they also bring in an
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artist named Cynthia Martin
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who is doing at this point art that you
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cannot see in any other Marvel comic
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anywhere very stylized very manga
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influence that's almost like a nut nagel
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Miguel painting kinda live final know
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how to pronounce these things navel in
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any way her art is beautiful it is it is
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just it i have never seen Star Wars look
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like that before or sins so vaguely I'm
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saying issues 81 threw 107 of Star Wars
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but specifically the later into the run
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when they're about to wind it up they
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know that they're going to be canceling
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it and they just do whatever they want
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the art looks great and you've got alien
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you've gots eltron aliens name tomorrow
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and Bob and Rahul and it's just funny
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you say that that whole Star Wars run
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published comics it every single one of
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those issues is on unlimited it's it is
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it is a very very deep rabbit hole with
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many branches that you can that you can
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follow along and space right hole
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yeah without what I I wouldn't say that
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it's something that I could justifies a
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pic on its own but similar on a similar
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note of continuing things the very last
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run of Star Wars legacy comics they did
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co-written by gabriel Hardman karina
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bitch go who have an image book called
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the invisible republic right now are set
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like a hundred and forty years after
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Return of the Jedi and and are really
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good fun
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Star Wars comics I i could not echo your
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sentiments any better and if you read
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issue one you can see Darth Vader uh
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levitate a cup of coffee because that's
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the thing he doesn't think it's weird
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noise that's what's your choice i have a
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creator centric one that that also bends
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the rules of time and space but in a way
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that no way in a way that won't be so
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all-encompassing is as crossovers and
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everything
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think always run into is oh god I love
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however this is great
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one of them in particular who was taken
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from us far too early an age is mark
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gruenwald and he he had this magnificent
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run on Captain America that included
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something that that some people would
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make fun of and something that i have
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read and don't find nearly as laugh
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inducing or mock worthy as other people
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do and that is the infamous cap wolf run
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where Captain America is turned into a
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werewolf and and i use it as an example
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in in my pic being the Marvel work of
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mark gruenwald because their stuff like
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listicles as a joke all the time their
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stuff like his run on squadron supreme
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in the mid-eighties that is really great
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think our or somehow making it into this
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season of agents of shield mark
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gruenwald was the creator editor at
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Marvel who was the living encyclopedia
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of all things more when he had all of
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the issue numbers in the back of his
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head could just rattle them off to you
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easy just without any effort you know
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I'm sad that the the new universe stuff
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that he wrote the various other people
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wrote aren't on Marvel unlimited because
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good but what there is a partner in
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walls work which is all in the main
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marvel universe is all over limited 111
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comic that was there was a weird
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formative influence on me that i got in
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this year's wish book cardboard box of a
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bunch of Marvel Comics was Captain
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captain america and thor on the cover
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covered in some sort of viscous material
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the house that dripped ellipses dough
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interrobang and concepts that stupid and
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crazy on on on the cover of a comic mark
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gruenwald could make absolutely
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fascinating reading in the in the pages
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in between the two covers where what you
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get on that cover is this looks
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ridiculous and then on the inside you
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you find
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the Red Skull hooking up a hot tub with
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Madame Hydra and just all kinds of
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bizarre super comic booky things so so i
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would say the the work of mark gruenwald
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as as an example of a creator that
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people talk about people know and honor
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and respect but you you can do one of
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those really crazy deep dives on all
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kinds of stuff that that people don't
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write listicles about you know what was
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the best time that Captain America died
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sorry spoiler alert that that kind of
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thing a really wonderful really
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wonderful human being much much beloved
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much missed by a lot of people who knew
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him myself not included I just knew him
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by his work well once more moisture is
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has a condo in my head and I think I and
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because he sniped me again I this but i
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will call out the my pick would have
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been captain america issues 332 350
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which was the captain america no more
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storyline where he where the government
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tries to rein steve rogers in and Steve
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quits day and almost all right ish a
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good old boy from the south
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uh takes over as captain america Steve
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Rogers takes and takes on a new identity
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as the captain so he can keep on doing
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his thing and hilarity ensues and
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culminates in the rebirth after a lot of
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years of the red skull so and that that
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you omit the squadron supreme all right
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all part of the same big happy family
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the return of Star Wars comics to marvel
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i'm going to recommend Karen Gillan's
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and has in its the most evil droids you
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oh it's uh and and I i was thinking like
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they're going to do that but the it's
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it's set between star wars empire
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the Emperor he's come on the outside the
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Emperor said some on some kind of crappy
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missions and he needs to prove himself
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hunter and her to murder droids and he
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really good so if you've ever thought
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like a Star Wars comic I don't know
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about that and there was obviously the
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big publicity about the other the the
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main course Star Wars comic but give the
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darth vader ongoing series look it's
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from number one I it's a lot of fun and
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Yammer droids they're amazing
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it only just concluded so you're only a
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few months behind on it and it is it is
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it is a very very solid two-year Run on
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on the character and I it is it is one
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of those comics in the the whole Star
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Wars line is so good but it's the one
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that I tell people if you read this and
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don't like it I don't know that you're
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going to like any of Marvel's new Star
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comics it's so good it's so so good so 1
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225 is the total run of the storyline
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little bit as up to 19 now but there's a
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you won't be that far behind and if
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you're really into it you can go buy
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those digital issues or or or physical
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issues somewhere else if you want to the
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Marvel would love for you to get so
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hooked on the comic using marvel
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that's there that's part of the game
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let's do another round Lisa oh gosh um
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I'm torn because i have i have four more
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pics on my list i really hope you're not
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doing for more round so this is fucking
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thank you um so I think the one I'm
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going to actually pick is a fairly
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recent series secret avengers that has
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like dead tree media they've also got a
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couple trades out
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work that needs to be done in the dark
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and nick fury and Agent Coulson are the
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ones who curl them and it's got Hawkeye
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Black Widow Jessica drew and kind of
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on the guy who is basically a giant
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round head and tail arms and legs but
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our dog Charlie Brown MODOK thankyou
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thankyou was blanketed a very
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embarrassing yes yes they keep pulling a
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world domination for MODOK it's very sad
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he'll never trust Lucy but secret
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shows a bunch of people who are
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pragmatic but they don't have the kind
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permit the ultimate's universe which was
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more pragmatic and a lot of ways and
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very realpolitik about this is what we
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doing this why we do it but on the other
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characters are nasty because they could
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you I'm i have a bow and arrow what are
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you gonna do about it
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whereas in this one the nastiness is
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Coulson gets flushed out a lot and I
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with this series i really enjoy how he's
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marvelous folded back into the Marvel
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really weird interesting history now
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his introduction in the MCU to his cross
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over to this medium to the way that that
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has continuity is taking off in a
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completely different direction that
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what's going on TV anyway it's um heck a
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lot of fun to read and I like the RTR is
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very pretty very modern and of course
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there's a dead polishes everything
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everything comes together they're
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currently 15 issues right now it's so
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it's again it's a it's a night's work to
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sit down and read them or rather a
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tonight's entertainment generate them
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same please read this decade's worth of
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comics I'm saying please read really
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really you're in change
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it's it's it's entertaining it's fun and
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I think it'll whet your appetite for you
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know other other books that have
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different aspects of shield I'm
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perennially fascinated by all the diff
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all of the different permutations
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like and this sort of fields into the
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contention that every agents need the
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black ops team and I'll and I like this
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one that gets silly and ridiculous
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toward the end of that run I i love that
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Monty i was going to pick something
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respectable but i'm not going well i
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started a little so if anyone wants to
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jump on the matt fraction run on Hawkeye
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you are free to do so i'm going to
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suggest the fun thing about Marvel
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unlimited is that they haven't put any
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sort of quality control things that they
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might be embarrassed about running no oh
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no I think you might have got water by
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secret terrible thing that's tricky
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because i have a
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list of five terrible things i'm picking
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from right now but what I'm going to go
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with God is the Mephisto limited series
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because i think what's great about
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Marvel unlimited like say is you can go
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get the weird little things they did
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they also have the Rocket Raccoon
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limited series which is Rockets origin
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story and it is crazy crazy not that
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makes no sense from a circus world you
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could go find parts it's true what is
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the count what's the kids the one from
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1985 the duration t get up for forget
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mr. my new pic Rocket Raccoon the market
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thousand clowns pour out and they're
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that isn't that that is that much a
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straight line between the metaphor the
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me more than that it's very hard to
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explain but everybody's looking for this
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book and there's a whole bunch of
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mutated animals but they don't know
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their mutated animals and there's killer
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clown bots and it's crazy nuts the cover
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the fourth issues rocket raccoon with a
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sword in his left hand and a decapitated
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clown head is right writing a robot
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yeah it is i feel like we need to make
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this a mean 22 symbol to signify the end
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of this year like we just have to pick
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it we can do it i feel so I feel very
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strongly in our powers let's do it i'm
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going to draw Rocket Raccoon as the
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summation of the various limited series
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like you can also find longshot 124
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which by the way was our atoms first
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work well I mean just to go back to
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rocket raccoon I mean that miniseries it
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was is written by Bill Matlow with mike
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mignola doing the pencils i mean it's
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not like a random people it's serious
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creators making the rec room is it
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series creators making something
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completely nonsensical that is now a
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cornerstone of the Marvel Empire
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yeah and it's super fun so my official
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pic is Rocket Raccoon ok also go read my
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fist oh but this was fun the devil gets
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the fights for the fantastic 4 X Factor
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x-men and The Avengers inhale of course
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all canon alright a chip what do you
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I've got so much time just gonna have to
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barrel through when we bring out their
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dead but i'm going to pick possibly the
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best single comic I ever published by
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Marvel now that's too much but it's the
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building has a rocket raccoon America is
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the best fantastic for comic ever
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published by Marvel and that is
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fantastic for 60 new series not all
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written by Mark Waid and drawn by
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Michael gringo it is the first issue of
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mark waid's run and I cannot tell you
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that anybody else before or since has
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nailed the Fantastic Four and who they
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are and ought to be as comic book
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characters this comic book should have
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out and they should have been stapled
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onto the chest of the people responsible
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for all three of the fantastic four
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movies that have been that have been
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released on the big screens waits a
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fantastic comic writer I think he's made
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best known for for his run on the flash
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in the nineties but I i cant its 22 22
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pages if I describe it
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I'm think I'm going to be giving away
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too much about it but if you want to see
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an absolutely human in a portrayal of
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mr. fantastic and why a guy would name
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himself mr. fantastic if you want to see
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Reed and Sue and Johnny and Ben and Reed
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and Sue's kids as a family for without
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with all the pros and cons and the thing
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that the thing about this is it
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establishes the Fantastic Four not as
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superheroes but as explorers into the
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unknown and it just dives into that and
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the comics that succeeded issues 6370
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the number change fit 500 25 24 it's a
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spectacular run of fantastic four
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stories but fantastic 460 is a beautiful
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moving inspiring story about the first
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family of Marvel Comics that's great
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i'll check that out I always looking for
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new Fantastic Four runs when they've got
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600 issues it's kinda hard to choose
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so i will check that out that's great
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Mike Weir ago passed away way too soon
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he was a lie i'm from durham north
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carolina so was he
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I saw him every once in awhile at the
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occasional North Carolina comic
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convention he has an outsized influence
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on the comics industry and you're
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hard-pressed to find any comics artist
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these days who doesn't point to him as
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both a good guy and a really really
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spectacular artists all right is what's
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your last pic I've broken so many rules
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I've bent the rules of space-time but
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they're there is nothing in Marvel
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everyone dies
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quarterback which is this very strange
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it's and that's a mark gruenwald
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glowing because it not spoiler alert for
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whatever issue number 32 but it ends
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universe being completely destroyed and
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amazing weird story so I love what if
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someone yeah what if what if Rick Jones
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became a disciple of Dormammu what if
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the Avengers that fought evil in the
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the fraction Hawkeye series which I felt
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we talked about it a lot and and did an
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issue did an episode about it does he
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can make just a quick recommendation
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because if you are going to load up the
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Hawkeye Matt Fraction run load all of
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the covers and then scroll through and
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marvel at how definitely they change out
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the color schemes from issue number one
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i didn't realize how craft again this is
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limitation of this is the limitation of
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being on trade paperbacks is I didn't
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realize how carefully and how craftily
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it was done until like I could until I
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can follow the visual story from issue 1
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like just scroll back and forth and
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appreciate that for a bit before you
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even get to the rest of it i just wanted
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I just want to get that you can't yeah
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sake go and do that but I'm going to do
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the ultimate the alternate pic here
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which is matt fraction and and some of
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his collaborators on Hawkeye worked with
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that Brubaker and did a run of immortal
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iron fist from 2006 issues 1 through 16
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that is a really fun story and I never
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really cared at all about iron fist but
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there's a lot of very interesting things
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in it and luke cage and jessica jones
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make some appearances and it's got a
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really interesting story there's a
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it's fun and so if you if you read
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Hawkeye cuz you should
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is everybody should read that and you're
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like where do I go next maybe try
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immortal iron fist 12 16 from 2006 it
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rehabilitates a lot of aspects of the
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character that have been not great for
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decades yeah exactly right now and
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Friday moment to have like really and
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then i read i was like oh actually yeah
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it's this like could good job everybody
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this really good yeah yeah so i
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recommend a moral iron fist a lot
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all right it is time now for us to just
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list off all the many many things that
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bring out your dead Lisa what do you
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have left on your list that you didn't
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get to recommend ok the two quick its
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i'm going to do number one is aj michael
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Straczynski series from 2007-2008 called
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the twelve which use is going back to
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the Troops yes he's going back to the
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troops of the Golden Age it feels like a
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more JK it I the reason I i began
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surfing through it was I looked at the
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covers like this has kind of a watchman
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feel to it in the sense that somebody
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who's taking the troops of comics the
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history of comics and playing with a
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little bit and I'm a sucker for JMS
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world-building I will complain until
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they I will complain until my last
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breath about the way why rising stars
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ended like you I could do a podcast on
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that but i always get sucked into how
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definitely he builds worlds and how
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quickly he builds out three-dimensional
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characters and establishes relationships
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between characters just by dialogue and
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so for somebody who really likes GMS
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this is a fun read and I really enjoy
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the art and I enjoy where it's going and
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the covers are our separate our software
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again you just there's a lot of pleasure
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to be had and scrolling through and
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taking a look at the stories of the
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covers telling the other series i was
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going to recommend a rather serious run
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i really loved Peter David's work on X
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Factor and I was going to urge everybody
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to read X Factor probably through i want
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42 issue 39 have was like one of those
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horrifying things i've ever read my life
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if you are a new parent never read this
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issue but Peter David did such a great
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job with characters who are normally big
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who are normally just you know throw
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sounds like we need a lot of x-men to
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make it look like they're fighting and
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it focuses on Jamie madrix launching a
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product of a private investigation
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service
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he's got a Monet Sinclair no moneys in
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got siren who is the daughter banshee
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there's rain Sinclair from the new x-men
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and they basically like go around
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solving solving crimes for people and
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complicating this is layla miller who
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knows things and magics as clones all
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over the country that he sent out to go
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get education and information
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experiences so he could become more real
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more well-rounded person and hunting
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time to so anyway it's it's it's funny
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it's thoughtful it's a little bit dark
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about it is they've got Glenn fate they
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got time Glenn favorite doing a bunch of
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the covers as well and I love his covers
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visit that series visit a bunch of
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covers and oh it looks so those are the
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two that that I would enjoy and again
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not a huge time commitment is kind of
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fun but for the love of God stop
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somewhere in the forties like X Factor
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ran for like 262 issues but after the
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first few years just like oh really
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really this is what's going on
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so you know right stop in the forties in
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your top of the forties that's it
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I Monty what did you not pick that you'd
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like to mention i have four things
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really quick i normally find the Hulk
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boring because I just want him to be
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punching things more often so go
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straight to the incredible hulk number
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92 which is where planet hulk begins the
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Hulk has been shoved off the earth
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because everybody sick of dealing with
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him he lands another planet and punches
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everybody through the issue 105 then
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giant-sized alt number one then world
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war hulk which is when he comes back to
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earth and he's very very angry at
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everybody who threw him off onto another
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that's an incredible hulk number 92
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through 15 and then world war hulk and
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it's so much Hulk punching it is the
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best Hawking I've ever seen
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I own the planet whole card cover and I
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love it's a great it's a great story
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because he is literally like what if the
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Hulk went to an alien planet and had to
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survive there and it's like yeah you
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know what he's gonna do we're gonna
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punch a lot of people that's what's
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gonna happen let's make the Hulk a
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gladiator
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well okay the the implications of it
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have ever berated through marvel comics
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ever since and it was a way to take him
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yeah the limited series spider-man and
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the x-men that's a six-issue limited
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series written by elliott kalyan of the
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flophouse is super funny that was on my
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list to it has been and we may have seen
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floating around the internet where he
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this power you could be carrying people
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of cancer and a dinosaur says I don't
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turn people into dinosaurs which is such
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a spiffy way to describe a villains
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mindset tutor people
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yes because of that run I now here
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read Peter Parker is spider-man that's
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be I think sergeant fury and his Howling
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Commandos a super-fun you starts back in
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nerve fighting man and it's just a good
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jack kirby is fun and finally I think a
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very important limited series for what
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characters would end up controlling the
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serious
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that's where they go to Japan you see
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Kitty Pryde be a little tougher you see
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wolverine start to get a sensitive side
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that and the wolverine limited series
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are I think why
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Wolverine has like 10 million titles and
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Marvel unlimited
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yeah you can see it beginning there and
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it's really great
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okay chip what do you have left ok I've
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got a lot but i'll make them fast
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adventures around issues 273 277 this is
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Masters of evil storyline where we're
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call the Masters of evil invaded the
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of turning the heroes in turning them
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quite so well yeah uh Wolverine both
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doctor strange into kind of a matrix
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it's a fresh kind of modern reimagine
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you might call ultimate Doctor Strange
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only it wasn't Ultimate Universe but
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it's a lot of fun
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ok my sense what's on your list what's
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I've got to about 7 billion things
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unitedly also Marvel Comics all of them
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because it is truly unlimited the longer
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run type stuff
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arc which is you know you got mark
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gruenwald captain america and that's
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great and i love it registers got some
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cool stuff to a baker amazing amazing
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run on Captain America you know what
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other stories would he have to write
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mine that I keep telling myself I'm
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gonna buy the Omnibus hardcover of is
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the X statics run by peter milligan and
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rebranding of the title into X statics
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crazy and wonderful and delightful and
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fun superhero longer
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of things I the the estimable gentleman
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miniseries by Dan Slott i would bring up
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it's it's because i'm black and jenna
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jameson just walked up but but but I
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immediately hooked from the word go a
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bryan cave on with art by Marcus Martin
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people to seek out even though it's not
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messing up my words is dr. strange dr.
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this creators whole body of work that
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magneto six issues of that is unlimited
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completely ridiculous ones uh one of
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them being a one-shot that came to
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marvel with the Star Wars acquisition
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wars which is so good because it's if
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license and
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bring back classic marvel character
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crew by Christopher priest not unlimited
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spider-man also not on there but even
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about Helen much money i will i will say
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another 30 or 50 issues old issues that
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addition to whatever is new and it's
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month right like hey the new leu kid
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show is on
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scan in that sort of thing happens but
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parallel universes and that people have
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to destroy and secret imaginations of
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had to read it over three years but i
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short amount of time the great classic
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travel and had to deal with what their i
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up to be and what's funny about it is
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they stay like they're now they're in
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the present along with their future
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counterparts
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other day
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exiles are hundred issues of it and
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shifting group of mutants from various
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parallel universes who hops from
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parallel to parallel solving crimes and
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righting wrongs and there's a little
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back story about why they're doing it
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to so I like that one a lot of great
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good use of dazzler and that one by the
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a good run and that's all I marvel
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great run that's what got the john byrne
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then it kind of gets to john romita jr.
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stories about Forge and then it's a lot
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less interesting and you could stop at
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any point then if you like that's my
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Florence I'm a little bit let down that
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and we didn't plan more really off the
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wall crazy stuff I think we've got a lot
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of crazy stuff I just I one more of the
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crazy stuff
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the power pack series by various by
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various writers i think but the power
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pack and team-ups the artist was gray
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here ooh these are the new power-packed
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continuity they're just automate like
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original running power pack were all on
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there but there's this weird sort of
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which is strange and who knows maybe
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it's a licensing issue i don't remember
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if like rom shows up for a panel to go
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away everybody I'm roms you later
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beep boop probably i'm a space night
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gotta go all right well i think uh we
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will look at the show notes i'll have a
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list of all of this stuff in there and
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you can you can add to your your your
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library or wish list or whatever the
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thing is that you do in Marvel unlimited
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but I hope now that if you are a marvel
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unlimited subscriber if you want to give
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it a try
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we just give you a whole lot of stuff to
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read about that whole lot of stuff just
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you know call in sick from work and sign
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up for a month and then just read like a
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thousand comics and then collapse
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maybe something like that or be
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responsible whatever i'd like to thank
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my guests for helping me build this uh
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pretty cool reading list Lisa Schmeisser
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thank you for being here
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you're welcome it's been fun Monty
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Ashley thanks a lot i have so many
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comics i need to read now I know it's a
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no thanks everybody chips other thank
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you it's been a pleasure being part of
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this merry Marvel marching Society cute
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boys chili on xlc or does this mean that
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we're going to get an incomparable
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adventure spin-off books soon probably
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I mean whatever or incomparable x-men
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despite i should add to throw a very
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quick plug in
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I i have a recent episode of giant size
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it's all about Dan Slott that just came
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out I got one coming out about Greg POC
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bunch of other weird crazy stuff coming
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in the next few weeks ago DSN dot FM for
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more successes a entire podcast network
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putting giant-sized plug do it logged
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you care about Lomax you should listen
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to yes alright and i have been your host
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Jason snow thanks everybody for
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listening to this edition of the
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incomparable we'll see you next week
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