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Hello and welcome to Episode 1 of Upgrade,
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a show that looks at how technology shapes us over time
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and drives us into the future.
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This is Episode 1.
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Today is September 16th, 2014.
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This episode of Upgrade is brought to you by Igloo,
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an internet you'll actually like,
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and TextExpander from Smile.
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Type War With Less Effort.
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My name is Myke Hurley, and I have the pleasure of introducing your host, Mr. Jason Snell.
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Hi, Myke, and hello to everybody out there.
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It's great to be here.
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It's great to have you on Relay FM, Jason.
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Well, I've been on Relay FM several times, but this is episode one of Upgrade, which
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is exciting, because I was just a guest in other people's houses before, and this is
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the home we share, Myke.
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It's very nice, isn't it cozy?
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very cozy in here. So, I mean, should we talk a little bit about Upgrade before we, like,
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get into the main topic?
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I think we should. I mean, it is episode one, and it is, yeah, we should talk about it at
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least a little bit before we talk about the stuff that's going on in the new iPhones,
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which I have and I can talk about now, which is exciting.
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So we've been like, basically this show is, the way that I look at it is with you we have
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someone who has a vast amount of experience.
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Right, that means I'm old.
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For a man of your young age.
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Okay, well done, well played.
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And you know, you are a man of great insight as well.
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And you know, now that you are a free agent, it would be a travesty if you did not have
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a place every week where you could wax lyrical about what's happening in the technology industry.
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And one of the things that I wanted us to focus on was not just Apple.
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I mean, we're talking about Apple today, but I think that your sort of knowledge goes across
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different types of companies.
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So across like to Google and Microsoft and to maybe other different software and hardware
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vendors and stuff like that.
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Because I think that there's definitely more than just the Apple news cycle.
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And I think it would be really interesting for us to take a look at how things are changing
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over time look at how things are going to change into the future but across the entire
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industry rather than just one company or one type of thing.
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Yeah, I agree. I mean, when we were talking about companies, I kept mentioning Amazon
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too which I'm fascinated by. I'm a big Amazon. I mean, other than Apple, I think my number
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two company whose services and products I consume, it's probably Amazon and then Google
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below that. And there's a lot going on that's interesting. Obviously, as somebody who has
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written about primarily Apple stuff and related for the last 20 years since I was a baby.
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Obviously Apple is near and dear to my heart and what's that saying? If you cut me, I
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bleed six colors? That is true. But I always take a skeptical view toward Apple and I'm
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always taking an open view toward the other stuff that's going on. I think it's worth
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talking about that and you can view that through a perspective of people as Apple product users
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and as a perspective of people who are or are not and how it affects Apple and how it
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affects the rest of technology. We're all using the web, web publishing and the evolution
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of the web continues and Amazon is like I said a fascinating company too. So we have
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lots to talk about and then if we want to you know horn in on Casey Liz's territory
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we'll talk about feels a little bit too. So we can do that. Anything is possible, it's
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episode one. There's a blank canvas before us, Myke.
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Nothing's holding us back anymore. That's right. And I mean, you mentioned it.
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I love podcasting. People who know me may know that I have been doing a podcast called
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The Incomparable for about four years now that I started in my spare time, mostly because
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I thought podcasting was really cool and I wanted to do more of it and I also wanted
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to do something that wasn't in the auspices of my employer, something that I could make
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and control and have it be exactly what I wanted it to be. And it has been that and
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continues to be that and now has a bunch of spin-offs. And at Macworld, you know, I could
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have forced things and said, "Look, I decree that the Macworld podcast will be my podcast
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and it will only be me and I will, you know, I could do that." But the fact is Macworld
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had a fantastic collection of people who wrote for it. And I wanted them to all have a chance.
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And so since, you know, our feeling was that everybody who worked there, their technology
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parts of their brain were really being taken up by their employer, that limited my outlet
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in terms of tech podcasts. I've guested on a lot of them, but I didn't feel like I could
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do one and I didn't really want to start another one inside IDG. So having left IDG last week,
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when I knew that was happening, we started talking about it because I definitely do want
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to do podcasts about technology. And rather than put them at the incomparable, which is
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really about pop culture, I decided I didn't want to muddy those waters with technology.
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I really love what you guys have been doing with Relay. And so here we are. So here we
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I feel like right now people are just clamoring to hear what we're about to talk about.
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So we should probably give it to them.
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I think you're probably right.
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So as we stand today, my order is in and I'll talk about what phone I've ordered.
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But you are one of the lucky chosen few and you have an or multiple iPhones in your possession
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was one of the people that was fortunate enough to be given advanced access to the iPhone
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6, which comes after they announce it, but before they release it. And I've gone on and
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off that list over the years, but I got on it this time, which was kind of awkward as
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I was exiting Macworld, and so we sort of agreed that I would do one last review for
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Macworld of the new model. So I have both. I have the iPhone 6 and the iPhone 6 Plus.
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I've had them since last week.
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My review should be, if it's not up now, shortly on Macworld and maybe some other places
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too, but, and then I'm talking about it with you here.
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But yeah, so I've been able to play with them for the last little while and that's
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Before we talk about the products, I think something that interests so many people that
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are outside of this chosen few, of which there are many people that would like to be in it.
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I've always been very curious about what happens after the event is over. So the event's over,
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you get led into this ominous cube this time, right, which is maybe a little bit different.
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We worked out what the cube was for.
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From the ground level, it wasn't ominous at all. It looked like a really big Apple store.
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And it was just, it was exactly what we all thought it was going to be.
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What we who go to these events, not the like Kremlinologists thought it was going to be,
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which is a spaceship that would be combined with some sort of surgery practice that would
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implant things in your head.
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It was, it's a hands-on area.
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And at Yerba Buena, where they often do these events, but that's a much smaller venue,
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there is another building across the way from the main theater that was always set up as
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the hands-on area.
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But it was very small.
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And so even with a smaller theater, there'd be a long wait.
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There was actually, strangely enough, still a long wait to get into this thing.
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It wasn't that huge, but it was, you know, they had a big area with iWatches or Apple
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watches, sorry, on little stands.
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And then they had areas where they had iPhones laid out on the tables and Apple employees
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next to each station to show you and make, you know, how they work and also make sure
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that you didn't steal them.
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And then also some iWatches or Apple watches.
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God, I've got to stop saying that.
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It's too hard to not say it.
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I know, I know.
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Apple watches.
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Why just watches?
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It could be, it could be you.
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It could be me.
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Uh, and they had those with people too.
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And that was funny because they had, um, the Apple employee would have one that
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they would put on your wrist and it was running in a demo loop, so it wasn't
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actually functional in any way.
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It would show you things and it would vibrate.
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So you could get the feel of like the weight of it and you could see what the
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screen looked like and you could, you could feel what the haptic stuff, uh, felt
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like but you couldn't actually use it and then separately while you had it on your wrist
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then they would demo on their wrist a very limited set, basically a script of what they
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could show you with the Apple Watch. So that was what that cube was.
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It's clearly not ready. No, it's just like the original iPhone. When
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I, at Macworld Expo back in 2007, I mean I was one of the people who got brought in to
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see that thing. They brought in, I don't know, 20 or 30 members of the press to touch the
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iPhone and use it. And there wasn't even a script. They're like, "Here, have this."
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And I remember it was like warm and that display was, which it wasn't even retina, but it was
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so high resolution compared to what we were used to. And it was such a weird feeling to
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do it. But also I remember from that, that I tapped on like the contacts app and what
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came up was obviously a fairly low resolution compressed JPEG of a screenshot of what the
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contacts app might look like.
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And I thought, "Okay."
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I'll just back away from this one.
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Touch any of the 11 apps that are here or however many there were and you found that
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like four of them actually were there and the rest of them were sort of representations
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because they just weren't working right yet.
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And the Apple Watch felt like that.
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It's not done.
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We usually see Apple products when they're already being manufactured and they're going
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to be shipping.
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And the iWatch, Apple Watch, I'm just going to keep saying it, Apple Watch, Apple Watch,
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Apple Watch, it is, I'll say it, it'll appear.
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It's months away.
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It's months away.
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The software isn't done.
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People are talking sort of conspiratorially about the battery life.
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And all Apple will say is, "At the end of the day, you will charge it," which implies
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it will still be functional at the end of the day.
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But you know what?
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They don't know.
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trying very hard to shoot for a goal but they don't know what that battery life is really
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going to be because the software is not done, the hardware might not be done.
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So we're a long way off there and it's not ready.
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You get one chance when you're launching a product category to pre-announce it and all
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the other times you're going to kill your sales of the other product so you have to
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But you can pre-announce and build interest one time, the first time and that's what they
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did with the Apple Watch.
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So yeah, it's totally not ready.
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It's funny how not ready it was.
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In fact, I tapped on one and the guy was like, "Oh, oh, you're not supposed to tap on that."
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I tapped on one of the apps and it opened and it kind of looked weird and he's like,
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"No, button, button, get us out of there."
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Because I think I got off the script a little bit.
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They didn't want us touching it.
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You just reached in anyway.
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I wanted to see about the tap targets because I was worried that the tap targets are so
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small that if you want to launch an app are you really going to be able to get it? And
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it did a good job. I mean, it launched the app and then the app was kind of funny, but
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it worked pretty much like you would expect. I mean, I didn't miss it and launch another
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app, but by doing this I launched an app that wasn't supposed to launch apparently.
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So does everybody that gets invited to the event get to go into the press area and see
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the devices?
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I think so. I mean, most of the people there are press or they're VIPs and they all get
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to be allowed in. And then there are Apple employees that probably don't because the
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Apple employees are, you know, some Apple employees were there to see the unveiling
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of it. But, you know, there was a fire marshal there. It's a very limited space. They were
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letting people in as people left because they were at full capacity. So the press is all
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allowed to go and we all have our little colored badges that indicate that we're
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press and then the Apple employees I think are if they're supposed to be
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there they can walk right in and if they're not supposed to be there then
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they they're told to go away go home go back to work. They probably show it to
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them another day or something if they... Probably so. So then how do you know if
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you're going to be given one of one of these units do they come and find you?
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How does that process work? For as much as you're able to say?
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I don't know if it's secret or not.
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John Gruber famously wrote about one of these, and it works like that.
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You get a heads up in advance from Apple PR saying, "Hang around," or, "We'll meet you over here,"
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or, "Here's a time. Come over here."
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It can vary based on what they're doing.
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Are they just handing you a product to walk away with?
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with? Are they setting you up for a briefing? So there's a heads up, a high sign, a little
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secret handshake that says, "Stick around." And when you don't get that, then you're like,
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"Oh, okay. I guess I'm leaving with nothing, but I've been there."
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You just kind of drag your feet around a little bit and look at people and be like, "Me? Do
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you want me today?" But generally, traditionally, certainly in the Katie Cotton era of Apple
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They wanted you to really keep it on the down low.
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Like, don't mention this to anybody else and don't just be, you know, fly casual.
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Come over here and we'll take you back into this other area where you'll wait for your
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Don't show off that you got a briefing and, "Yeah, I gotta go.
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I got my secret product briefing," right?
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They always sort of frowned on that.
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That said, I did, as I was leaving the hands-on area, I ran into a writer of some note.
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who was carrying an Apple logoed, you know, Apple store bag with a couple of boxes in it.
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And I thought, well, those are your review units.
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It was pretty funny. It was like, not quite a secret.
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But then again, you know, what was that person going to do?
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Were they going to hide it in a bag somewhere and deny all knowledge?
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It does seem strange to me, though, to give you an Apple store bag
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because, like, I know people are getting the phones that day
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and everyone in the world knows where the event is.
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So if you see somebody walking away with an Apple bag with a couple of boxes in it,
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you know what's in the bag.
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Right, and everybody knows.
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I think Apple is not really as concerned about that.
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They don't want people kind of flaunting their access.
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But ultimately what Apple really doesn't want is public displays of the new devices.
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So if that person had gone over to a TV crew and said,
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"Let me show you this new thing," they would be in trouble.
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But it's not quite, it seems to me, not as severe as it used to be. It used to be really like,
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"You can't admit that this thing exists. You can't admit that you've been using it. You
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can't show it to anybody." And now it's a little bit different. Now it seems to be more like,
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no public exhibitions. But if I'm reading the rules right, I'm within my rights to use it,
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and even for people to see it. But I can't write about it publicly. I can't go on somebody's TV
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show and show it, anything like that. It's meant to be kind of, you know, people can
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nod and say, "Oh, there's Jason. He's got the new iPhone." If they ask to look at it,
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I probably, I might shake my head and say, "I can't really," or I might show it to them briefly,
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but it's a private conversation and then I walk away. But you got to, you know, the idea is,
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you've got this for some extra time so that you can work on your review and have it and then take
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take your time with it. Don't turn this into a media opportunity for you to be the first
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one to break the personal demo of this new device. The rules are shifting, I think, because
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Apple PR's approach may be shifting, but generally it's kind of common sense.
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So let's talk about the devices. How have you been using them? Have you been just distributing
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your time between both because this is different right having two phones to look
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at once. Yeah it is it is different I mean I've done that before when I
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reviewed the iPads when there's on the iPad Air and an iPad Mini right I end up
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with two and I think okay well here we go right this is so it's a little
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different I put my SIM card from my 5s in the 6 and they come with sample you
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temporary SIM cards. So they've got cell
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access anyway. So I put that in my six
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review unit so that I could get my phone
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number on it and I could actually use it.
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I set up, put in passwords and
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stuff on that. On the bigger one,
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I can't have them both be my phone.
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So that one was still using
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the demo SIM, the two-week
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life, one-month life SIM card.
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And yeah, and so I've used that some,
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but I probably used the smaller one more
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just because I feel like it's a better match
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for how I use my current iPhone.
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And I wanted to see that experience
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where the other one seems a little further away
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from my current frame of reference.
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So yeah, I try to use both of them.
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I brought them with me to Portland for XOXO
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this past weekend and tried to use them there
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and on the train and just get a sense
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of what it's like to live with these things in your pocket.
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That's the most important thing is to pull it out of your pocket and use it and see what's
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different and how it feels different.
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But you had some attention at Exo.
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Like I said, fly casual.
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You're just trying to walk around going, "Hey, anybody want to see the iPhone 6?"
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You don't want to do that.
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You don't want people taking pictures of you with it.
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You don't want to do that.
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How big are these funds?
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Like I know people have shown, you know, printing off PDFs, I've seen people carving them out
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of wood to make them on 3D printers, but you actually have the thing that you use and you've
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been using it.
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So, you know, it may be a certain size, but you know from use how big it feels when you're
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tapping buttons and turning the volume up and down.
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Is there a way that you can try and describe, compared to the 5S, what the 6 and the 6 Plus
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feel like to use from how big they are?
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Yeah, I'm still trying to process it.
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The 6 doesn't feel as shocking as you might think.
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Part of that is the curved edges.
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It's got a much more curved feel like the iPads a little bit.
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I mean, it really is sort of like taking on this other design
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language that's been coming back with Apple devices
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The iPod touch has a very curvy edge.
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The iPads have a curvy edge and the iPhone since iPhone four has had the
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straight edge, the, you know, 90 degree, it's got the metal ring around it and
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these don't.
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And so when you hold it in your hand, uh, the smaller one, especially it actually
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doesn't feel that much bigger because it's thinner and because it's curved on
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And so I was expecting it to feel more kind of like dramatically oversized and
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you get used to that pretty quickly.
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So in that sense, I don't think it's a big deal.
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In another sense, though, I think once you start using it, you realize that, um, you
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realize that it is bigger because every now and then I try to reach my, my, my
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finger or my thumb to a faraway point and it doesn't go like it used to.
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And I realized some of my body language has to change because it is bigger.
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Um, and when you're trying to reach for something far away on the other side of
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the screen is when you really notice it.
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Compared to the Plus? Well the Plus, there's no comparison. I mean I can hold it in my hand and it feels fine, but it is huge. I mean it's huge. I have tried to have an open mind to it. The big screen is nice. It's like half an iPad. I have an iPad Mini and it's not an iPad Mini, but it is pushing upward toward an iPad Mini from an iPhone.
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from an iPhone. It's still an iPhone, but it is really big. Typing in landscape on the
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iPhone 6 Plus, I actually felt like I was stretching my thumbs to reach the letters
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in the center of the screen for thumb typing. It actually felt like not, I'm used to sort
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of having my thumbs not stick straight, I could do it, but I didn't feel, it was kind
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of a long way, I was surprised. I'm like, wow, this is a really large, really wide held
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in that orientation, really wide keyboard that I'm typing on now. And I thumb type on
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my iPad mini too, so it's not like I'm not used to stretching my thumbs. But it struck
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me that this is a large device. It really is. You're going to notice how large it is.
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I think iPhone 5 users will get used to the 6 pretty quickly. After a few days, your frame
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of reference will change a little bit and I think it'll probably be fine. The 6 Plus
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is just a different beast. It's totally different.
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In the keynote, Fuschiller mentioned about the devices being curved. Did he mean, I haven't
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seen anybody really clarify this, did he mean that the screens are curved or just the edges
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are curved? No, just the edges. It's instead of having
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that chamfered edge, we all learned that word and now it's useless because it's not there
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anymore, instead of having that chamfered edge where you've got the sort of 90 degree
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angle and then there's the little edge part that's at the 45 degree angle that's all shiny.
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Instead it just, there's glasses on the front and then there's a curved metal back plate.
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So it curves around to the back and as a result when you hold it in your hand you don't have
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those, you don't feel those 90 degree angles as much. Instead what you get is this sort
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of smooth curve. So I actually think it's got a more pleasant hand feel. Is that a thing?
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More pleasant feel when you hold it in your hand.
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I don't know, is it like mouth feel except it's hand feel
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and suddenly we're cooking.
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And it also reminds me of the original iPhone.
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I think this is the, that had a curvy side thing
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and this has got the same thing.
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So it's, it reminds me of that.
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Another thing that struck me about it is that the,
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this is the first time on the iPhone
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that the camera has stuck out.
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- Yeah, that seemed like a really,
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I'm surprised to have not seen more criticism of this because...
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Apple didn't mention it, I wonder why.
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This is something that you see lots of criticism that people levy towards Android phones, like
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it has a lens or something that sticks out of the back.
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Because so, the way that I've had devices like this, I've used devices like this, and
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then when you lay it down on a desk and you press it, it rocks.
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I assume that the iPhone does that?
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It does a little bit, depending on where you press.
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If you press right at the top, it's going to rock a little bit more.
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As you get further down, it's really stable.
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The camera lens pushes out.
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It doesn't push out very far.
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It pushes just at the lens.
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There's not like a big bulge, but it is definitely a departure because it's not a completely
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Now, I never use my iPhone while it's laying on a flat surface.
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I don't do that.
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It's in my hand.
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But if you do, you might notice a little bit of rocking.
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It's not as severe as if the whole back was curved
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like on the iPhone 3G,
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but it is real because it is sticking out.
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It doesn't stick out very far either,
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but I think this is one of those cases
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where Apple just, they wanted the product to be thin.
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They are obsessed with the product being as thin as possible
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and it is thinner than any previous iPhone.
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but the laws of physics require that you have some space for the optics in a camera and they
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know how important having a good camera is and they've you know spent a lot of time in the in the
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event talking about how great this new camera is and those two things fight against each other and
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so they finally decided to just kind of hold their breath and have it stick out and just deal with it.
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Did they need to shave those millimeters off do you think?
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I don't know. I mean, I don't know about the weight. I mean, the weight feels good, and I wonder if it was thicker.
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Would it feel as comfortable in my hand if it was thicker, and would it weigh more?
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Because presumably if they made it thicker, they'd add more battery or something like that to it.
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Which wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing, by the way.
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But they have a lot of variables that they're solving for.
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They're solving for battery life, and they're solving for lightness, and they're solving for thinness,
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and they're also solving for camera quality.
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and you make some tough choices and you know they seem to be comfortable with their battery
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life that they have on iPhones, which a lot of people aren't, but Apple seems to be comfortable
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And they want it to be thin and they sacrifice that completely flat back to also have the
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camera be good.
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Let's talk about the Retina HD screens.
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Does Retina HD mean anything or is it just a marking term?
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Like can you see a difference in these screens and how they look like the color reproduction,
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things like that?
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I, you know, I wear glasses.
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I can't see much of a difference.
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We're talking about resolutions that are so high that they are the retina, the whole idea
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of the retina thing is that it's beyond our ability to perceive.
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I mean if you zoom in or you have great vision and can look really closely, you could probably
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tell some difference. I think, I mean, it's a marketing term. In fact, I think it's
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sort of a redundant marketing term, right? I mean, I already, Retina was already HD,
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I think. But although this is capable of, you know, 1080, beyond 1080, but, you know,
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it's, I don't know, they just wanted a marketing term that it's better than Retina.
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And so rather than say better than Retina, they say Retina HD. It's, what they're
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doing that's interesting is that they're technically what they're doing is very much what happened
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with the Retina MacBook Pro.
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Which is your prediction by the way. Bravo on that one.
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Yes, I nailed it.
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Yeah, completely.
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Well this seems to be… So Apple at some point decided high resolution screens don't
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need to be pixel perfect. Apple was a one to one pixel perfect company for a long time.
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And when the Retina MacBook Pro came out, and I remember we actually at WWDC we got
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one at Macworld and we did a party that day or the next day and Marco Arment took the
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Retina MacBook Pro and was doing all this crazy stuff to it during the party.
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And one of the things we found out is that if you take a screenshot on the Retina MacBook
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Pro, it's larger than the physical resolution of the screen.
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It's like, "What is happening?"
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And the answer is, "How is this possible?"
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Apple decided that the scaling in the GPU is so powerful and the screens are so high
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resolution, that you're actually better off rendering your display at a larger
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resolution and then just scaling it to fit the screen. And back, anybody who was
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trained in the days of lower resolution flat panels, the idea that you would do
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anything but one-to-one, it's like you get a fuzzy screen because then it has to
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anti-alias everything on the screen and everything looks bad, everything looks
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fuzzy. But what Apple found out when they were building the Retina MacBook Pro is
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that above a certain DPI you can't tell that it's scaled because the anti-aliasing,
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the pixels that are fuzzy because they're actually between pixels, are so small as to
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be imperceptible to the human eye and when you step back it looks fine. And that was
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the premise of the Retina MacBook Pro. That's what that machine does and that's why you
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can change the size of what goes on the screen to a whole... there's like a slider. In the
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the iPhone 6, that's what they're doing. Certainly on the 6 Plus. I'm not sure whether
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they're doing it on the regular 6, but on the 6 Plus for sure, that's what they're
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doing. They're scaling it at a large resolution and then scaling it down. So they're drawing
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it big, scaling it down. You can't tell, really, but it's going to make a difference
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for developers because the rules have changed, have really changed. They're not one-to-one
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anymore. But, you know, for users, you're not going to be able to tell. And it actually
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enables them to do some other interesting things. Like there's essentially a large print
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mode. I forget what it's called in the iPhone 6 Plus where you can make it, you can make
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just everything bigger. So you can opt to either have more information on this giant
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screen or just have it be like a regular iPhone screen big. Like all the words are big, all
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the icons are big. And that's all because now they're sort of free scaling it. They're
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happy to scale the screen to any number of ways you might do it. And so that's an interesting
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approach. So they're very much kind of like they've gone off the there's one X and then
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there was like there's two X. But it's all pixel perfect. There's just four pixels there
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instead of one. Now we are living in a scaled display world for the iPhone. And so yeah,
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going to be different. But the screens, the Retina HD, which is where we started with
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this, are so high resolution that it lets them get away with it.
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Do you see any difference between the two? I mean, obviously the Plus has like a million
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more pixels. Can you see any of those million? Like, when you put those phones next to each
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other, can you see that there is a more dense screen on the Plus than there is on the 6?
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I can't, but like I said, I wear glasses. I think what you see is that they're more
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pixels because the thing is huge. In terms, I mean, if I hold them right up to my face,
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this is what I'm doing right now, I mean, I can't see the pixels on the smaller one.
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So I certainly can't see them on the bigger one. So the question is, why would you add
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pixel density when you can't see it? And this is the answer. The answer is you do it
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so that you can scale the screen in different ways and nobody knows that you're scaling
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it because it's so high resolution. In fact, the other place where there's scaling is
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when you're running an app that hasn't been modified to support the new screen sizes.
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This is what happens. It just gets scaled. And you can kind of tell that it's scaled
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if it's a bitmap resource, it's a graphic or something versus text. But it looks pretty
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good and the reason it looks good is that that high resolution screen is so
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high resolution that a lot of the artifacts that you would notice for
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scaling are too small to see and it all just kind of comes out in the wash so I
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guess that's the rationale for having a super high res or let's say retina HD
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screen is is for scaling stuff and not because you're actually seeing those
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pixels because from you know if you've got even normal eyesight you take a look
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and you can't see the dots. You still can't see the dots. So that's not any different.
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Should we stop and talk about something, as Casey would say, something cool?
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Of course we should. Thank you so much for doing that.
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I actually have a bow, but I'm going with that one instead.
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We have the A8.
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As opposed to the A7.
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It's one more.
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Another A. It's one bigger.
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Is there any perceptible difference between the models?
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Oh, perceptible.
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Why did you have to say perceptible?
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Testably, yeah.
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Testably, they are different.
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actually exactly what we saw last year with the iPad Air and the iPad Mini Retina, where
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at the event we all thought, "Oh, they're essentially the same specs. It isn't like
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an older chip or anything in the Mini, they're the same." And then when it came time to test
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them we realized, "Well, they're the same except that the A7 running in the Mini was
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running at a lower clock speed probably to save on battery. This is the case now
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too. The iPhone 6 Plus is running at like 1.4 gigahertz and the 6 is running at 1.2
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gigahertz so the 6 Plus is faster a bit than the 6 because it's running at a
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higher clock speed so it's perceptible I don't know I mean it's really hard to
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tell. They are really similar, they're really close, they're both
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faster than the 5s but not, I would say not hugely so. I'm sure
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there are ways where we're going to notice but this is actually, there was a
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really interesting chart at the event last week where they showed the
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incredible march of processor performance from the original iPhone.
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And what we all noticed watching it was that used to be a chart that just kept
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accelerating and it didn't accelerate this time. The curve started to bend the other way.
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Well the last, the A7 was so much faster than the A6. It was twice as fast.
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was dramatically faster. It's hard to keep that up.
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So it went from 32 to 64, right? That was the main reason for that, I assume.
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Yeah, yeah. I mean, and there was some other stuff too, but I mean, they, they, it was
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a huge leap for them. And this time they didn't, the AA doesn't make a huge leap. As far as
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we can tell, it is just faster. It is, I mean, they said it's like 20% faster. It is faster
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than the A7, but the, it looks to me like the performance gains that they've been able
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to eke out as they've been growing the A processor line are slowing down now. It's not like the
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processors are slow or the processors are still faster, but they're only, whatever,
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20 or 30 percent faster instead of twice as fast. And so, yeah, that's a sign of something
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that Apple, maybe just that Apple couldn't keep up those speed increases because they
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were really crazy for a while. I think that team was eking out every possible last bit
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of performance. What I thought was interesting is that they compared themselves with the
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competition and talked about how they can run at those faster rates for longer. And
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that is a way, when you're comparing it to other devices, that it can win. And it
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is totally faster than the iPhone 5S with the A7, there's no doubt about it. But it's
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It's only 20% faster. It's good, but it's also interesting to note that it's not like
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they doubled it again. Last time was a huge leap and this is a more incremental push forward.
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You can't keep doubling it. Eventually, it becomes too powerful.
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Probably not every year. That's the other thing. They might be able to make it more
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powerful but they also have to balance it with the fact that they've got a
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battery and battery technology doesn't necessarily evolve as fast as chip
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technology does and power management is a huge part of what they're
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designing here because some of this is using less power or ramping up to
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those high speeds more efficiently so that they don't kill the battery because
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if you kill the battery it doesn't matter how fast you go. So it's a tough
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balancing act. This is some serious science but it is faster.
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They are continuing their march.
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It's just, it looks like maybe it's gonna go
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at a little bit of a slower pace now
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because they've made up so much ground
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over the last few years.
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I mean, it is dramatic how much faster these devices
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have been than the ones four years ago even.
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But now it looks like it'll be a little bit shorter march,
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a little bit slower march than before.
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On the graphics side, by the way,
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that's an interesting case where,
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You know, these screens have a lot of pixels.
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And so you would actually expect that it would be hard for them to keep up with a smaller display.
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And that actually is not the case.
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These devices, the graphics abilities on these is pretty impressive.
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because they're able to eke out really great benchmark scores with, you know, I don't know if there's some scaling going on or if it's at full resolution or what, but the graphics power in these things is amazing.
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They have definitely cranked up the graphics power, and that's something that's hard to pick up because they have a bigger screen.
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It's not like a Mac where you can plug it into the same screen and run all the tests. They have a bigger screen, so they have more pixels to draw or scale or whatever.
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whatever. And every time you make a bigger screen, you have to improve the graphics performance
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or it's going to slow down because it has to draw all those extra pixels. And Apple's
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not kidding when they said that the graphics performance is up because it is. I ran some
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tests and it's a yeah, they put in the horsepower to draw these on these giant displays and
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scale and all of those things. And the result for a regular person is they still work like
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an iPhone, they don't feel slower, they probably feel faster if you really paid attention.
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Is there any indication that there's more RAM in these devices?
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How much RAM? I think not. I mean, I need to do some more investigating there, but when
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I ran Geekbench on them all, they all reported basically a gig.
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gig. All right, because I think that's what the 5s had. So I and and that and yeah when I ran that
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number on the on the 6 the 6 plus and the 5s they all gave me essentially the same response so I
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think I think not. I could be wrong because one of the challenges of using benchmark apps when a
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product isn't out yet is there may be bugs because the benchmark people need to look at the new
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product and find ways that they can make sure it's testing things appropriately where I have to sort
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of do some tests on my own but yeah they seemed to have the same
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amount of memory as the 5S does.
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Like you didn't notice that you could have more Safari tabs open or
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there wasn't anything really noticeable that you've seen
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that would suggest this. I didn't try to open a billion Safari tabs which I
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probably should do but it seemed to be pretty much
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pretty much the same. Can we talk about the interface additions
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a little bit? Sure. So there's obviously there is a few more of these on
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the Plus. And I'm personally really interested in the keyboard.
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Mm-hmm, yes. Keyboard is one of the big changes with these models. They're
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picking up some features that are, it turns out, are iOS 8 features that we
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didn't know about because there wasn't a device that could use them and now here
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they are. So is it just the Plus that has these additional keyboard features?
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No. No, in fact, so on both of these, when you're in portrait mode, what you get is a keyboard.
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It is the keyboard you would expect. However, one of the nice things about it, I'm opening them on both of them right now,
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one of the nice things about it is that the keyboard is bigger. Like, the keys are bigger in portrait mode.
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So even though it's just the same old keyboard, the keys are larger.
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And having more room to hit those keys, it really does help.
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On the Plus especially, that is a pretty big keyboard.
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It's not quite iPad size, but you've got more room to hit those letters and not hit
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the one next to them.
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But it's the familiar keyboard.
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And obviously in iOS 8, you're going to be able to swap that out for a different keyboard.
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But in landscape is where the situation totally changes.
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They are taking advantage of the extra width on these displays to add extra keys on the
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So basically the 6 gets an extra column of keys on either side of the keyboard.
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And the 6 Plus gets two extra columns of keys on either side of the keyboard.
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with it with a default keyboard and again you can switch it out for
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something else. So on the 6 what happens is the microphone, an undo button, a comma
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and emojis are on the left side. I imagine that for other people who don't
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speak an emoji that would be the international button. I speak an emoji.
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And on the right side you get a back and previous cursor button and a period and
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and then also the expand and hide keyboard button is over there.
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So that back and previous, that moves the cursor, because they didn't mention it in the keynote,
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and I have been dying to know.
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Yeah, that's the...
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It moves the cursor back and forth.
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It moves the cursor.
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So a little cursor action, just one, you know, it literally moves the cursor back or forward for editing purposes.
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Now on the plus, it gets even crazier.
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easier. On the plus, you get a—there's a cut, copy, and paste button. So there's
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each—there are three buttons. There's little scissors, a little sort of like box
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with an A with another one behind it, and a bottle of paste, I guess. It's kind of
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funny, kind of literal. But you got to do something. So there are those. So you can
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literally, you know, select some text, copy, move somewhere else, press paste, and it does
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all of that. There's a bold button, which will bold your text like you think. Somebody
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at Apple hates italics because there is not an italics button. Undo microphone emoji,
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and then on the right side you've got left and right, and now it's got exclamation
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point, question mark, period, and comma over there. So it's trying, obviously, I mean,
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They've been thinking about what common uses are when you're in the keyboard mode,
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and these are the things that they think are most common to float to the top level.
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You can still flick over to symbols and numbers and things like that, but they brought a lot
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of this stuff up to the top.
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So yeah, there's a lot there on the plus, but even on the regular six, you've got
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undo, period, comma, and some cursor movement happening.
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You mentioned earlier about it hurting to kind of fun type on the 6+ right?
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It doesn't hurt but you can feel that you're reaching further and that it's further out
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of sort of what you're used to when you're typing.
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My thumbs are lazy, they don't like to travel far.
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So two questions.
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Is it still too small to kind of do any hunt and peck typing?
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if you put it down on the table, are the keys there too small to do that kind of typing
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I don't know how you type. I wouldn't – my iPad method for typing with two hands
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would not work on these. It's too small for that. I think thumb typing or holding
00:46:45
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it in one hand and poking with the other finger on the other hand are probably better input
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methods but who knows I think I think you could I think you'd need to not use
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your thumbs because that's what always what I want to do with the iPad keyboard
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is is space with my thumb and there's just no room on this I you just hit
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whatever is below the phone it's just you can't it's just it's a little too
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compact because it still needs to show the upper part of the screen so you can
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see the content so it's it's wide but it's not super tall it's just wide and
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and is it possible to get a split keyboard?
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- That is a great question.
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I don't think so.
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I'm actually trying that right now.
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- Try pinching apart.
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So the way that you can do this on the iPad, I didn't know.
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If you just put like two fingers in the middle
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of the keyboard and just pull it apart,
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it will split on the iPad.
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Doesn't work.
00:47:42
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Okay, that's interesting to me that they have not done that.
00:47:45
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Well, this is the thing is they made
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some very interesting choices about how iPad-y especially the Plus is and how iPhone-y it
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is. And every time I think it's going to behave like an iPad, it basically doesn't. It has
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a layout that is sort of like, it reminisces on the iPad in the sense that you can have
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a column on the left for your mail and show the mail on the right, which we've only seen
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on the iPad up to now. But below that, you know, it's still not the iPad and there
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are lots of other changes that don't, they're, you know, it's an iPhone. It reminds you
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like, "No, this is an iPhone. I'm not going to let you do these crazy iPad things that
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you think the iPad should do because I'm not an iPhone or I'm not an iPad, I'm an iPhone."
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So it's funny. It's just enough to make you start thinking, "Oh, this is like the iPad."
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And then you realize, nope, it's not.
00:48:38
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So let's talk about that then, because I'm super interested in this.
00:48:41
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So they showed on stage some of the Apple apps taking advantage of the additional screen
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real estate and showing some more iPad-like assets.
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Is this just on the Plus or is this on both?
00:48:56
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So like showing messages with the split pane view and things like that.
00:49:00
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is so apparently there's a concept in the UI now that's something like a large sized display
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for phones and it's like responsive design on the web where below a certain size it uses A and above
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it uses B and the plus is above it in landscape and the 6 is not. And so almost nothing, there's
00:49:32
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a whole class of features that only exist on the plus. So in the notes or settings or
00:49:37
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mail app, on the plus, if you put the phone on its side, you will get that extra column
00:49:44
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on the left, that doesn't happen on the phone. The regular iPhone 6 doesn't happen. It's
00:49:50
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just like your iPhone today. It doesn't… and that's… so the breakpoint is in there
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somewhere between the little… I keep saying it's a little phone and it's not because
00:50:00
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it's bigger than the iPhone now, but the smaller of the two. And the larger of the
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two has all of this. So not only does it do things like putting the column there, it's
00:50:09
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It's got a landscape springboard, the home screen, which no iPhone has had before.
00:50:19
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And what's even wackier about that is that because this is a 16x9 device instead of a
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4x3 device like the iPads, the dock rotates.
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The dock is on the right side of your screen with the items in the dock stacked.
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So that's very interesting, and the animation for that is actually really funny.
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Just on the Plus, where when you rotate it, it's like the dock goes away, and then obviously
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it's run behind your phone, and it goes all the way back to the other side, and then it
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pops in on the other side.
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It's very strange.
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Did something happen?
00:51:00
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I'm right here.
00:51:01
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But so yeah, so a lot of these tricks are only on the Plus.
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The Plus is a weird new device that is between what we think of as an iPhone today and the
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iPad, but it's not either.
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It's following some rules that are in between.
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And for developers especially, that's going to be a challenge because they're going to
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need to think, "What is my…" and Apple provided the tools for them to do this, but
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they've got to think, "What am I going to do in these different device sizes?
00:51:30
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What do I want the behavior to be?"
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And I think Apple has obviously given them some guidance by making some decisions on
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its apps, but it'll be interesting to see how other developers use it.
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Because it's not, you know, it's like a really, really tiny iPad, and sometimes that will
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be good enough.
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And other times you'll be like, you know, it's too cramped, and you should just use
00:51:50
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your iPhone layout, because it's just there's too much stuff on that screen.
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Even though it's a big screen, it's not the size of an iPad.
00:51:57
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So I'm going to assume, but I want to ask the question anyway to make sure, that current
00:52:03
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universal apps do not show you this iPad view.
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I'm assuming that they have to be iOS 8 developed with the new layout stuff.
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iPad apps are iPad apps, and so they don't run on an iPhone.
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They don't run on an iPhone.
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If it's an iPad only app, that's not the point.
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is an iPhone. And so it will run in iPhone mode if it's a universal app, and if it
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hasn't been updated, they will scale it up. And like I said before, the scaling up looks
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okay. They don't letterbox it or anything. These are all 16x9 devices, even the 5s, right?
00:52:44
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So they will all just scale until they get updated to support the larger screen sizes.
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you know, that's it. And for iPad app developers, they're going to have to make
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the decision, "Do I want to make an iPhone version?" I don't think they have the
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ability to make a version that only runs on the Plus. They have to commit to doing
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an iPhone version of their app and then decide what shows up in these various
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places. So it's going to be a challenge for people who really segregated the
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iPhone and the iPad. If they've got both versions, they can just make their iPhone
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version, maybe inherit some of the features. If they've only done iPad but
00:53:20
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want to be on the iPhone 6 Plus, they're going to need to do an iPhone version of their app,
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because that's how they're going to get it. So it's funny. It's the biggest wrinkle in being an
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iOS user and especially for developers since the iPad came out, because this is a totally
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different class of device that's in between the other two.
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So my concern is that there's going to be an issue with this.
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I feel like many developers will choose the 6,
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as I think many people-- I think in our little bubble
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will choose the 6 and not the 6 Plus.
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So my concern would be that there
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won't be enough dedicated development
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to take advantage of that screen size.
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Like in the way that, especially since iOS 7,
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it seems really that iPad development has slowed down.
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- My concern is that there won't be enough,
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like, advantage taken of this larger display.
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I mean, I know it's so early,
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but do you have any sort of feel for that?
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- You know, I think obviously good developers,
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developers who really care about this stuff,
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they're gonna buy one of these
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just because they're going to want to have it for reference.
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And yes, you can also develop in the simulator.
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The simulator will simulate this device
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and you can see this is how it looks on this device
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versus this other device.
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But in reality, let's be honest,
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the thing that you carry around with you
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in your pocket every day
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is going to be the most influential device.
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It's going to be.
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If you're a developer,
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it's going to be the most influential device.
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So you might even have a 6+ around,
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but if the 6 is the one that's in your pocket all the time,
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It can't, even the most conscientious developer
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because it's not their daily use.
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That said, I do think a lot of developers are going to say,
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"Oh, this is great.
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"I can take these decisions that I made
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"for my iPad layouts and apply them."
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And in addition to that, I also will do,
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all the other things you need to do
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to support these other sizes
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and have some scalable layouts
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instead of pixel perfect layouts,
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they probably wanna do that anyway, right?
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Because they don't wanna have a scaled up
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iPhone app on the 6.
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And if they're doing that
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and they've got some previous iPad work,
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they could probably put it together.
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But that is an extra direction to go.
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And depending on how well this sells,
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they might not choose to do it.
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Especially, I mean, you talk about
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the context that you live in.
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I mean, it's not just the phone in your pocket,
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It's the country that you live in.
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I live in the United States of America, by the way, Myke.
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Actually, I'm sorry.
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I live in the state of California, Myke.
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We're our own.
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The independent state.
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It's the US out of California.
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Anyway, yeah.
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So this one's going to sell really well in Asia.
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Galaxy Note has shown, and it's ilk, has shown that in Asia there's a huge market for giant
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phones. Not so much in the West, but in Asia there's a huge market for giant phones. And
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there are a few reasons for that. I actually talked to some people at Apple about this,
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and they acknowledged that this is true. And there's some reasons. Some people in Asia
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are single-device people. They don't have a computer. They don't have a tablet. They
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have a phone. And if the phone is their only computing device, they want it to be big,
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they want to do everything on it and having a bigger device is better than having a little
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tiny device if it's your only device. And there was also, it also was a status symbol
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in a lot of Asian countries and cultures apparently, this is what I hear, you know, bigger is better.
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This is probably also true in Texas, I don't know. But the idea like my phone is the big
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phone, right? I got the big, look at me, I got the hugest phone. And you know, other
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cultures are like, "Whoa, I'm just going to get a tablet if I want that. I don't
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want a huge phone." So my point is, developers who are serving those markets where this device
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is going to sell really well, those are the ones who are going to need to pay the most
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attention to it. So you may see apps that sell really well in Asia going crazy over
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this and taking full advantage of it, and apps that really sell best in the United States
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Europe not. We'll have to see but that might be something interesting to watch
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where the really Asia savvy apps rush in to support the iPhone 6 Plus because I
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think it will you know I imagine it will follow the pattern of phone sales up to
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now which is that in areas where big phones are popular this will be popular.
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Purely anecdotal. In the UK where you don't see someone with an iPhone they
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they tend to have a large Samsung phone, like a Note or one of the new S5s, which is approaching
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that sort of 5-inch size.
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Well, it makes sense, right? I mean, that's an option that Apple doesn't offer. So if
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you want a big phone, you need to buy a giant Samsung phone.
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And also, I see especially the Note far more in use by women than men.
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I've heard, I've heard, I mean everybody's got, everybody's different, right?
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But that scenario is a scenario that sort of makes sense.
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I've heard some women say, "Look, I want a small phone because I, you know, I want
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to hold it in my hand and I have small hands and I can't hold that giant phone in my
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But I've also heard women say, "Look, I don't have pockets.
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I carry it in my bag.
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I'm fine using it two-handed when I pull it out of my purse or whatever.
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So why would I not want a big phone?
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So I can see both scenarios, right?
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Some women want it to be a small phone that they can have in their pockets or they can
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have with them and hold it in one hand, and that's how they work.
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That's how they use the device.
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And other women are freed by the fact that they've got a bag already so they don't have
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to worry about the size of the phone, and the way they use their device is conducive
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to having it be very large.
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So there are a few different use cases here, but both of them make sense to me.
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It totally makes sense that if you don't have to worry about having something gigantic
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in your pocket because you have small pockets or no pockets, then why not?
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- Well done.
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- Reachability.
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- Reachability.
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- Why did they call it this?
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- You got reachability, Myke?
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I wish I did.
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So it works by double tapping the home button, right?
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Like, tapping, not clicking or pressing.
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Right, so the home button, you know, it's Touch ID, which means it can tell when you're touching it.
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So it's like a little like a track pad, where you don't have to depress it for it to know that you're touching it.
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And therefore they've turned that into a gesture, where if you, on either phone, if you double tap on the home button,
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everything slides down like toward your thumb basically so on the in the
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springboard it it slides the it's funny it's just scrolls the apps down they
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just all kind of slide down the whole screen doesn't come down just the app
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slide down but in most apps what happens is it's like somebody took your screen
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and just like pulled like a like a like a roll up window shade they just kind of
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pull it pull it down towards your thumb halfway and the idea there is then you
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can touch something that's on the top part of the screen and when it registers that touch
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then it all slides back up and it goes on its merry way.
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How quickly does this animation occur?
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Like does it like all the way go down or does it like have some animation where the phone
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like it brings everything down to you like a shade or something?
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Well yeah it slides down it doesn't it doesn't like pop down it slides down it's pretty fast
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but it's definitely an animation. And then what's left above it is sort of this void.
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It's not black, I think. Maybe it is, but it's a mysterious void. It's not your backdrop. It's not
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your lock screen thing, I think. I think it's just a mysterious void. It surprised me to see that,
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because that black background seems to go against some of the work they set out of iOS 7,
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like the layers, it feels like there should be at least, I mean, it probably doesn't
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look great, which is probably why I didn't do it, but like the transparent layer of your
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home screen back there, you know?
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Right, right.
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There's the logic question of what's behind there, and they've decided to just keep
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it simple and have it be nothing.
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Nothing's behind there.
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But you're right.
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If we can see translucency, perhaps the home screen should be back there all grayed out,
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all blurred out, like we're watching it through a layer of glass.
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Well, like when you go into multitasking, the way it looks there.
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You know, you see your background sort of blurred out, like behind the frosted glass
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I just expected it to look like that, as opposed to just a black emptiness.
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I have one very specific question.
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When you're in an application and you tap the status bar, sometimes, in most good apps,
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it will jump to the top of the content. Does this work with reachability?
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Oh man, that's a great question.
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You can like open tweetbot now or something.
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That's why I like you so much is that you ask these great questions.
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Well that was actually something that Federico asked on unconnected, so I'm just pulling that question in.
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So it does work. It brings it to the top and then I assume it snaps back up?
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Yeah, actually let me see. I think it doesn't snap back.
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Generally when you interact with this, it snaps back up. No, in fact,
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well it snaps back up after a moment's pause, so I wonder, I think
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maybe it's waiting to see if you want to do something
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else at the top. Yes, indeed. That's good.
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That's the right interaction. And if after a second or so you do new interaction
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it just slides the whole thing back up. But yeah, you have to, I think, get it right.
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I think if you if you if it's down a little bit too much
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I think it won't work
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But this is one of the funny things about the reachability is it does if you tap in the in the in the black void
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It goes away
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But if you tap right at the top it does like you tap the menu bar and yes
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You can do full interaction anywhere on that screen that portion of the screen. That's there
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Using reachability and while you're interacting
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keep the reachability mode
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except when it doesn't and this is one of the things that actually I think they're gonna need to work out over time is
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Sometimes I tap something and right away
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Reachability is over and other times it waits to see if I want to do more and then it finishes and slides everything back up
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And I cannot figure out why it does one and not the other and I suspect it's I suspect it's just the software is
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consistent about that because really when I press a back button it should stay in reachability mode and let me keep on you know
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Press it a couple more times and do whatever and and it doesn't seem to do that. It seems sometimes
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It's like okay you press something. I'm done right away instead of
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Do you want to scroll now? You know do you want to press this button again?
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So it's it's a brand new feature right and and hasn't gone through
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the broad developer beta testing that the rest of iOS 8 has so it's a it's it's a
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Clever way to approach this but it's not entirely consistent. I think yeah, I think I
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called it something strange like I
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Kind of coined this really weird phrase which some people found peculiar
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An elegant solution to an elegant problem
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Huh, so like you I think you know really you do she said like an elegant solution to an impractical problem or something like that
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But it to me just feels like it's it's a nice way of doing something that is otherwise really awkward
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Like it doesn't feel like it's it's that there is no perfect thing here
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But what they've done is create something that gets over. What is an actual problem with these display sizes, but it's not perfect
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I talked to Gruber about this a little bit on the talk show when I was on with him right before the event and we
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we were both kind of scratching our heads like, how do you, it's exactly how you described it.
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This is a problem because human hands, unless you're Craig Hockenberry, human hands cannot reach
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across this giant phone. They can't. Unless you are a basketball player, unless you are somebody
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with enormous hands, it's just, it's too far. You gotta, if you want to use it one handed,
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which oftentimes we do. People, not always, but a lot of people use iPhones with one hand a lot
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of times. And so how do you solve that? And do you have like a virtual finger or I mean
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there's and so yeah reachability is weird but it's interesting to think about. It's
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either that or you create gestures or you just make sure that there's nothing tabable
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at the top of the screen. And one of the things I like about iOS 7 is that they added that
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swipe back gesture. If you swipe from the left side of the screen it just goes back
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you don't need to tap the back button. And it's a gesture, so not everybody even knows
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that it's there, but once you learn it, it's really convenient. And so I think that's good.
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You don't have to use reachability to get back to the previous screen. But yeah, I think
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you nailed it. It is not a particularly great solution, but it's better than not having
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one and saying, like, literally, "Sorry, you're going to need to use your other hand for this
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one." I mean, that's—Gruber was talking about, like, maybe they scale it down, because that was
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the—Brian Chen in the New York Times had this story about this feature, essentially, but it was
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kind of vague. It was like, "Does everything scale down? They could do that. We know that they
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can scale the UI really well. That would be the other way to go, is to literally just shrink
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everything down. And they probably tested that and decided that that was maybe problematic
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or favored left handers over right handers, although with the gyroscope you could probably
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tell what way the phone was tilting and where the thumb was going to come from. I don't
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know. So yeah, it's, I don't know if I'm going to use it. I mean, every now and then
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I think like, oh yeah, reachability. And Apple seems to think, the people who I talked to
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at Apple seem to think that this is something you just get used to, that it becomes second
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nature, like that swipe backward that you tap a couple of times and tap it and go on
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with your life and it's like, to put it in Futurama terms, it's the "thing longener."
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It's the "this makes my finger longer." It's a stupid invention, but in this case, having
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it is better than not having it. I don't know. Did you watch Futurama?
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Yeah. Do you remember the "thing longener?"
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No, I don't remember.
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It's one of the, like the Smell-O-Scope, it was one of Professor Farnsworth's lesser inventions.
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Kind of pointless to have, it makes your finger longer. But that's totally what's happening here,
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is you got to do something, right? People use phones one-handed and the thing is too huge.
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Even the 6, regular 6 is kind of too big, and that's why it's on that phone too. Even the 5
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and the 5s are a little bit large if you've got small hands. So.
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Do you have any specific opinions about the camera?
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Because I know this sort of thing, like for me, the camera features are fantastic,
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but most of the time I don't use them or I can't really tell.
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Do you have any feeling on it?
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My feeling is that they're better, and Apple's not kidding.
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Apple knows that that's an important feature, that they're better.
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The optical stabilization in the bigger one is a great idea.
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You know the cameras have come so far. I wonder how far they can go without some
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serious changes to the hardware. We're already seeing it with the camera
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sticking out a little bit. At some point the size of the camera is going to be
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the issue and I start to wonder if the next phase for Apple is going to be some
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mechanics to like literally pop the camera out when you're taking a picture
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and then draw it back in because at some point that's going to be the problem is
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that they literally they need more depth than the phone has and we're already
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there but it could get worse but they you know I like that Apple really puts
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an effort into into cameras I no longer reluctantly take a picture with my my
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iPhone camera even with the 5s I don't avoid it because I know how good the
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pictures are going to look and they might not look as great as an SLR but
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but it isn't worth it to go get the SLR
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because the phone is great.
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So yeah, I mean, every time they do this,
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the cameras are better.
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And what I've really been impressed by
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is the way that they've handled focusing.
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I'd say even more for video than for stills.
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They made a big deal in the event of these focus pixels
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and the idea that they're able to,
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through the hardware working with the software, very Apple,
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do something that generally was available
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on things like SLRs before, which is use the focus
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of the light to determine where the focus point
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of the image should be.
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And that's great because focusing better and faster is good.
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What really has impressed me, especially with the samples
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they showed at the keynote is the ability to move
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through a bunch of focus areas and have it feel natural.
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And some of that is using that technology
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and some of that is the software.
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lot of video focus is instantaneous. It's like, you know, we can go from A to B, so
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we just jump there. And as somebody who's used to watching TV and movies, they don't
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do that. They move physically, even if there's no physical focus ring, they move from one
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focus point to another. And what impressed me about the video samples, especially at
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the event, is they actually have, I mean, they're demos, right? But they're very impressive
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demos that somebody put something close to the camera and pulls it away and the
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focus follows them and it doesn't wait and then snap back it actually follows
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them and that's impressive because video has video focusing it's actually one of
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the reasons why I am always reluctant to use my iPhone 5 to shoot videos
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especially like that I'm going to show professionally is because you know the
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focusing is is crappy
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Battery life. Please tell me that we have good battery life on these devices.
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So one of the problems with testing a new iPhone is that battery testing takes forever
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and you can't use the phone when you're doing it, essentially, because it's got to run.
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So I don't have quantified lab-based battery life answers for this.
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Apple's claims, which I think, you know, one of the things I said on on Gruber's show
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also was the idea that Apple solves for a certain battery life. There's a certain
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amount of battery life that Apple thinks is appropriate for an iPhone. And with the 6,
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they did that again. I mean, it's it's they're claiming slightly better battery
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life than the 5S, but they're not claiming dramatically better battery life. Apple seems
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to think that's how much however much that is, that's how much battery life a phone
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should have. And if you're somebody who runs out of battery all the time on your
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iPhone, that's frustrating. Apple's just decided that for most people it's enough,
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and that for the people it's not enough, they can get a case or they can have a little
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backup battery ready to plug into the charger when they need to, which is what I do. I mostly
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don't need it, and when I do, I have a little Kensington battery with a USB port and I just
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plug my iPhone charger into it, and in about 20 minutes it sucks all the power out of the
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battery and the phone's back at charge. And that's what I use when I'm traveling and things like that.
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So obviously Apple has decided that's what they want to do. And I know that frustrates some people,
01:17:31
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but they think that's okay. And as far as I can tell, the 6, you know, that's the truth of the 6,
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is it's got battery life like an iPhone because Apple makes them all roughly have the same
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battery life. The amount of power they consume changes, the amounts of battery capacity change,
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But in the end, Apple does the math to get them to work to meet that goal of essentially 10
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or 11 hours of usage time. And then the Plus has a bigger battery. And even though it uses more
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power because it's got a bigger screen, it's got a bigger enough battery that Apple seemed confident
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in giving it a few more hours of time. So it'll last longer. It's not like your, you know, it's
01:18:12
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It's not a Razer Max or a Droid Max or whatever it is,
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those with two Xs, those giant Android phones
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with huge batteries.
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It's not that, but it's got more life
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than the smaller device because they're able
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to lay that much more battery in there.
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So it'll last a little bit longer.
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But people who are dreaming of Apple making
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a 25-hour life phone, I don't think it's gonna happen
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for a long time unless there's a huge breakthrough
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in either low-power chips or amazing battery technology
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'cause Apple is not willing to make the size trade-off
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to load a giant battery in there,
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and they think better that you make the trade-off
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by sticking a case on it,
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or that you do what I do,
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which is just carry an emergency battery
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to charge it up when you need it.
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- That's just gonna keep waiting
01:18:57
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for those graphene batteries, right?
01:18:59
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- Oh yeah, it's like fusion power.
01:19:01
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Fusion power and amazing battery technology
01:19:03
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are always just 30 years away,
01:19:06
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and they never get any closer.
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This is a kind of random question and this is served just because it's something that
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I care about but I don't know if a lot of people do. You might actually. The speaker
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quality, like the loudspeaker, I use it sometimes to listen to podcasts. I have a jam box but
01:19:26
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sometimes in a pinch I will listen to it. I will listen to like Total Party Kill whilst
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I'm cooking pasta on Thursdays, right? It's a very common thing. People cook pasta while
01:19:39
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listening to people playing Dungeons and Dragons. It happens quite a lot actually which is kind
01:19:43
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of peculiar. Well I always listen to John Siracusa's Hypercritical podcast while I mowed
01:19:48
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the lawn and now I mow the lawn and I feel the absence of Hypercritical. Whatever podcast
01:19:53
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I listen to it's just not the same. That was our special time and he mowed the lawn together,
01:19:58
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me and John and Dan. We mowed the lawn together. I did most of the work. They did most of the
01:20:03
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talking and it's funny. I mean that's one of the things I love about podcasting is you
01:20:07
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kind of fit it into your life in certain ways. I don't know about the speaker
01:20:11
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quality of these things. I need to test that more. I think it's better.
01:20:17
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I think that the Plus has a nice loud speaker. I know Apple talked about
01:20:22
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that at one point. This is a fairly good, I mean it's never going to be the
01:20:28
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same as having a big speaker, but they've got a little more room in the
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Plus especially. But I gotta say, I'm not ready to make a call or a
01:20:36
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judgment on that quite yet. I need to spend some time annoying people with loud sounds
01:20:41
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on my phones first before I do that.
01:20:44
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My last question.
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I'll get back to you.
01:20:46
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Yeah, please do.
01:20:47
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Fortunately, we have episode two for follow-up. I've never done a podcast where I've been
01:20:52
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able to do follow-up before, so we'll put that in the follow-up.
01:20:54
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Oh, we're going to do so much follow-up. You won't even be able to contain yourself, Jason.
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It's just be all follow-up.
01:21:00
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Where do people go to leave us feedback, by the way, since we're talking about follow-up?
01:21:03
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Also there's a few different places actually. You can go where we have our show notes which
01:21:07
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is relay.fm/upgrades/one and you can click the little button and send us an email which
01:21:14
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reminds me I need to ask if you want to receive that email. And also...
01:21:21
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I volunteer as one of those hosts who will receive it in email, yes.
01:21:24
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Oh, that's so good.
01:21:25
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I love getting follow-up. We can't do follow-up on the incomparable because the panel changes
01:21:29
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all the time. So I'll have like no John Syracuse on and all the follow-up will be,
01:21:32
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"What did John Syracuse say? Why did he say that?" And he's not there to defend
01:21:36
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himself. And this is exciting because we can actually, like week-to-week, answer
01:21:40
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people's questions. It's not like I don't love the feedback, it's just that on my
01:21:42
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other shows, I can't do anything with it. So...
01:21:45
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Like you're not gonna do the Doctor Who follow-up and the Guardians of the Galaxy episode.
01:21:50
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Like it doesn't make sense.
01:21:51
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Exactly! It doesn't make any sense. And the people who talked about the one thing
01:21:54
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aren't there for the other thing and, you know, but we'll be here for episode two.
01:21:57
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So it's fine.
01:21:58
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Also, Twitter is a great place. Jason is @jsnell, J-S-N-E-L-L, and I'm @imyke. Someone needs
01:22:08
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to make us a fancy song that speaks those names.
01:22:12
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That's nice. I do love on analog how you always describe Casey's Twitter account using the
01:22:19
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song from—
01:22:20
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I can't help it. I cannot help it. So, yes, please send in your follow-up feedback
01:22:26
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we would love to receive them.
01:22:28
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So my last question for you is which phone
01:22:31
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are you gonna buy?
01:22:32
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I feel like I know the answer,
01:22:33
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but which phone are you gonna buy?
01:22:37
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- And yeah, the 6.
01:22:38
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I toyed with the idea of the 6 Plus
01:22:41
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because I am an iPad Mini user.
01:22:44
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I have an iPad Mini with Retina and I love it.
01:22:46
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And I have a 11 inch MacBook Air,
01:22:49
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so I like small things.
01:22:51
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And so this is the question of,
01:22:52
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do I want the smallest phone then?
01:22:53
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Or do I want a phone so big
01:22:55
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that I don't even need the iPad mini anymore.
01:22:57
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I can get an even smaller iPad.
01:23:00
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And the 6 Plus is not a smaller iPad.
01:23:02
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It is a bigger iPhone.
01:23:04
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It is, compared to my mini, I would prefer,
01:23:09
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in all those scenarios where I have to choose
01:23:10
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between using my phone or my iPad,
01:23:13
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the 6 Plus doesn't change the equation.
01:23:15
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It still, if I'm in that scenario, I want to use my iPad.
01:23:20
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So I could see, if you literally only have one device,
01:23:25
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It makes sense.
01:23:27
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But I have an iPad, and I really like it,
01:23:32
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and it doesn't fill that need for me.
01:23:36
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So the 6 makes more sense to me.
01:23:37
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The 6 feels a lot like the 5,
01:23:39
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albeit a little bit bigger.
01:23:41
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And, yeah, it's the next iPhone.
01:23:45
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It's a nice jump in a bunch of different areas.
01:23:47
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We haven't talked about things like Apple Pay,
01:23:50
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which doesn't exist yet
01:23:51
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'cause it's coming in October, they say.
01:23:54
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I have a Whole Foods very near my house.
01:23:55
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I'm looking forward to going over there
01:23:57
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with nothing but my phone and paying for something
01:23:58
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just because I can, but I can't yet.
01:24:01
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- We have time to talk about those things.
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I mean, and I can reiterate why Apple chose
01:24:05
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the wrong country to put Apple Pay in,
01:24:08
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but they saved that for another day.
01:24:10
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- Or perhaps the right country,
01:24:11
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but that is a great topic for a future episode,
01:24:13
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and we have those now because this is a podcast
01:24:16
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that we share together.
01:24:17
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- That's lovely. - Right.
01:24:18
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- I'm going for the plus, by the way.
01:24:20
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So-- - Really?
01:24:25
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So I have a few reasons.
01:24:27
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So I am a very, very heavy iPhone user, very heavy.
01:24:33
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And we've spoken about this before.
01:24:37
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I use my iPhone constantly throughout the day.
01:24:40
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And it lives in a Mophie juice pack.
01:24:43
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Is it the juice pack?
01:24:44
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One of the Mophie cases, I keep it in the Mophie case
01:24:46
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all the time.
01:24:48
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Sometimes during the day, I will charge my phone
01:24:52
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by plugging it in at work, but then most likely throughout the day I've also run down the
01:24:57
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battery of the Mophie case as well as that.
01:25:00
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I use my phone very, very heavily.
01:25:04
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There is an argument that I should clean my phone, like restore my phone.
01:25:08
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It's an ongoing thing.
01:25:09
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I'm thinking about doing it for the Plus and just starting fresh.
01:25:14
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I'm seriously thinking about it to try and give it the best start in life.
01:25:21
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But both of these phones are too big to live in a phone battery case.
01:25:28
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They're both too big.
01:25:31
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So I'm measuring...
01:25:32
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I was going to say for now, you know there will be, but they'll make it even more huge.
01:25:36
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They'll make them, but both of them will be too large at that point because it changes
01:25:41
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the dimensions in every angle.
01:25:43
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And I think if you made the phone fatter and bigger, both of them would be unusable, I
01:25:50
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I mean, I measured out my iPhone 5S
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with the Mophie case on it,
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and it basically comes in just slightly under the six
01:25:59
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with the case on it.
01:26:02
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So, but a lot thicker, like twice the thickness.
01:26:06
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So, you know, I've been thinking of battery life.
01:26:09
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So I want to have the best battery life possible.
01:26:11
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So, tick number one, the plus.
01:26:13
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And I have one of those Mophie packs,
01:26:16
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like the little brick things,
01:26:17
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and I'll just see if I can keep that in my bag
01:26:19
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and just try and work through life like a regular human.
01:26:22
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I'm really, really interested in the bigger screen
01:26:26
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for additional content, they both have bigger screens,
01:26:29
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but I'm also really interested about the kind of pseudo iPad
01:26:32
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like layout that, I think that's super cool
01:26:37
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and I'm very, very excited about that
01:26:40
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because I am also an iPad mini owner
01:26:42
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and maybe I won't need an iPad mini anymore, I don't know.
01:26:46
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I'll see how that goes over time.
01:26:48
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I don't like the larger iPads,
01:26:50
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so it would either be iPad mini and iPhone Plus,
01:26:53
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which kind of seems redundant anyway, or just iPhone Plus.
01:26:56
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They're kind of my main things, to be honest.
01:27:00
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- Yeah, I think my,
01:27:01
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I mean, it depends on how you wanna use
01:27:03
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these different devices.
01:27:04
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If you are out and about and using your iPhone all the time,
01:27:08
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then it sort of makes sense, although again,
01:27:10
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it's gonna, that size is gonna need to work for you.
01:27:11
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That's a challenge, and it's not gonna be
01:27:13
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like double the battery life.
01:27:14
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it's just going to be a little bit larger battery life.
01:27:17
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Is that the scenario?
01:27:19
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I mean, the other, not to be doctor, you know,
01:27:22
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iOS diagnosing guy, but you know,
01:27:25
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would having a mini with a data plan work for you,
01:27:30
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or are you just, you're just moving around
01:27:33
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and have the phone in your pocket is the important part?
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- Phone in my pocket is the important part.
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I've had, I've had data on iPads.
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- How big are your pockets?
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- Let's find out.
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I mean to buy it, I have to be very deep, I can tell you that.
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'Cause I'm buying off contract.
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- Right, oh man.
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- I'd been preparing for this though, I'd been preparing.
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So my feeling is, I'm going with the six plus,
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but I have two weeks to decide.
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So if after a week I cannot cope,
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I will return it and get a six.
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But I feel like I need to, I want to try it,
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I'm interested in it. I would like to be able to use the larger device for a bunch of reasons.
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I think I could live with it. I have relatively big hands. I have... my fingers are... this
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is a very strange fact about me. For my hand size, my fingers are over average. There you
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go. A doctor told me that once and it's true. I have very long fingers.
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Do you have normal hands but long fingers?
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- Or large hands with even larger fingers?
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- I'm gonna say maybe the latter.
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- I'm glad we've gotten this all out in episode one.
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I'm glad we know.
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So you've got large hands and even longer fingers.
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I'm like, all right.
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- I have long fingers too.
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I have long fingers too.
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I don't think my hands are large, but my fingers are large.
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My toes are long too.
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Does that help?
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- I don't know.
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how many phones you want to use. Interesting. So let's see I mean that's
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gonna be the interesting follow-up I think for episode two is can Myke cope
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with a 6+ I'm hoping that it will arrive in time for the next episode so
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we'll see I mean I I'm very I'm very interested in it and I also there's also
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a part of me Jason that and I seem to have assumed this role in we've
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connected as well. It's stupid, a different one. And there's this part of me that's being
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drawn to, this is the phone that not many other people are going to get, and I feel
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like that there should be some opinions about it. And boy do I have opinions.
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You could be that guy. Yeah, I'd be that guy.
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You could be that guy that's like, in every podcast they'll be like, "Well, of course,
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I'm not like Myke Hurley, I just got the 6." And you'll become famous as that guy who got
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the big phone. The only guy.
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Could be. I'll go from being the British guy to the guy who has the plus.
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I will say they're very popular in Asia and with Myke Hurley.
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It's good demographics.
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So we'll see.
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I mean, it's exciting, right?
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Two phones is very exciting.
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The fact that we knew it kind of diminishes from it a bit, but two phones is very exciting
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to me, I think.
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So let me blow your mind here.
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Because it's four phones, because they're still selling the 5C and the 5S.
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And here's the question.
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Maybe I won't blow your mind, but here's what I wonder for next year, which is, I wonder
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if that smaller phone size will stick around.
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I wonder if next year they do something to update the 5 or they create a new 6 or whatever
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that is a mini that's essentially what we think of now as the iPhone.
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I wonder if Apple really wants to give up that traditional iPhone size.
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This year it's easy.
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This year they can just keep the 5S around and lower the price, keep the 5C, which I
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think is actually done despite everybody kind of rolling their eyes at it.
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My daughter told me today she sees the 5C everywhere.
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It's not for super tech nerds.
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I think it's for kids and regular people who want a new phone.
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So now that's free with contract in the US.
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So this year's kind of a gimme for them.
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But next year, that's my question, is do they abandon at some point the smaller phone size
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or do they keep it and just make it another so that you have three?
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Right now we've got two new ones and then the old ones are still around, but that would
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be my question, something I'm interested to see, is perhaps in a year or two the iPhone
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line will be three and it will be small, medium and large.
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Right now it's medium and large and then last year's great one is the small.
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I don't know.
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happens to that. Does the small phone eventually fall off the end or do they just keep one
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around forever?
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Do they just keep upgrading the specs and still call it the 5S? Or do at some point
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do they call it iPhone mini or iPhone 6 mini or something like that and change its look
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and change its internals but keep it at a small one? Or are they just completely out
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of that market?
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The tail will be in the numbers.
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The tail is in the numbers.
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We have no idea right now if these phones are going to sell.
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No, I mean, what we know is that there is a market for larger phones,
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because Android has exploited it.
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That the only real major segment of the high-end phone market,
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which is where Apple plays, that isn't controlled by Apple,
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is the large screen size, because they don't have a phone there.
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there, and they've left their competition to have that space. What we don't know is
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if the people who currently have an iPhone will go to that extra size or not, and how
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many of them? How many of them will the 6 be good enough, you know, not too big, versus
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people being repelled by it? I think most people will just go to the 6 and be fine,
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but it's going to be interesting to see if they feel that there's a market for a smaller
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because I think there is. I think some people don't really want a big phone just for their
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lives and who's to say that Apple, I mean now that we have two brand new iPhones, why
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couldn't they just do three? They're selling four models now in three sizes. They could
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keep doing that if there's a market for the smaller and presumably cheaper device. I don't
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would never use a phone bigger than her iPhone 5C.
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She just would not.
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And she will upgrade her phone every couple of years.
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So when it comes to that point, she will not want to use one of those bigger phones.
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So then what do they do?
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There are lots of my mums in the world, you know, and I'm sure that Apple doesn't want
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to stop serving that market.
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But I don't think we're going to know the answer to that question for a couple of years
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Because we need to see what happens when the 5S moves that far down the line.
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If they eliminate all of those phones, because in the next year or two, those phones will
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still be available.
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So if you don't want the larger phone, you'll just get the 5C or the 5S.
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So it will take some time.
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Although I am sure that Apple is doing some serious product research on this thing.
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And they probably know the answer already to whether this is really going to be a consumer
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need or not.
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That's what I keep wondering is, I think maybe it is.
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Maybe this is a three product line,
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and this year the only new ones are the two bigger ones,
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but at some point is it a three product line,
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small, medium, large, or are those old phones
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just kicked to the curb and it's old news
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and everybody's got a big phone now,
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and eat it old man.
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I mean, that could be, but I don't know.
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I don't know.
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It is great to see the 4S fall off that lineup though.
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Yeah, yeah that's good.
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That stuck around for a year longer than it needed to.
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Yeah and the 5, the 5 you know, the 5 is a really good, the 5 was a really good model
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so the 5C for free with contract in the US is, that's a pretty good deal because that's
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actually a pretty good phone.
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Even now I would say that's a pretty darn good phone.
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I love the way that phone looks.
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Yeah, yeah it looks neat and like I said my daughter would love one.
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I think she's going to get my old five instead.
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No color, just black.
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But I won't feel bad about it.
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She can color it up with a case.
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So there's still so much to talk about over the next couple of weeks that came out of
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this event because we have months worth of things happening because we've got the watch
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and all that sort of stuff.
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So there's still a lot more to unpack but I think for today, for the phones we are done.
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Jason, thank you for sharing your thoughts on these.
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It's been fascinating.
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I may say a great start to upgrade.
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I think it went really well and I hope people will keep listening. We'll be back next week
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with episode 2. How about that?
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Sounds fantastic. Until then, as we said before, our show notes are relay.fm/upgrade/1. And
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that's it for this week. Thank you very much.
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Bye everybody.
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