2: You Start From Zero
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Hello and welcome to episode 2 of Upgrade on Relay FM.
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This episode of Upgrade is brought to you by Igloo, an internet you'll actually like,
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My name is Myke Hurley, and I'm joined by your host, Mr. Jason Snell.
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Hello Myke, we're back.
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We are back.
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They didn't shut us down after one episode.
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I'm friendly with the guy who controls the network, so I convinced him to let us keep
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really great feedback for episode one.
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So thank you to everyone that was very nice to us
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and we're back for another episode of Upgrade.
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- And probably the thing that is gonna make Jason
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more happy than anything else on the planet
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is the fact that we can do follow up on this show
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and our Google document, about two thirds of it is follow up
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- So, I mean--
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- We just admit it.
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You know, Accidental Tech podcast has follow up
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for like 90% of their running time,
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but we might as well just admit it upfront.
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There's a lot of follow up.
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I'm very excited that we have so much follow up
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'cause I've never really done podcasts
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with follow up before.
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And we got comments,
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which means we have things we can follow up on.
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'Cause that was the big question last week
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was would anybody say anything
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or would there literally be no follow up
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other than to remind people that there could be follow up.
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- Before we start the officially ordained follow up,
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There was one piece of, there was one correction
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that I would like to make from last week's show.
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- All right.
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- And it's correcting you, if that's okay.
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- Yes, you're fired.
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- I'll get my coat in a moment.
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One question that I had for you was about
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if the screen was curved on the iPhones.
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- Oh yeah, the screen's not, the glass is.
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- I think my question was poorly phrased.
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And what I was asking was it,
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'cause they mentioned in the keynote about the corners,
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like the edges of the phones,
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like they are sort of smoothed down,
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so they kind of curve around a little bit.
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- But that's not the screen, right?
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That's the glass in front of the screen.
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So it was, I'll take it.
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I was reading it and also thinking about Apple Watch
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in a different way, but yeah,
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that's actually one of the things
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that makes it feel so nice,
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is that the screen isn't just a flat slab
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and then there are edges or it doesn't go into like a ring,
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it just curves down and then, and that makes it,
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that's one of my favorite features actually of the phones
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now that I've been using them for a week is they're really,
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that curve really makes them much more comfortable to hold.
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- Death to the chamfer, huh?
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- Yeah, death to the chamfer.
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I'm glad we learned a word though.
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We increased our word power by learning that word
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and now we will store it away for future use.
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- Never ever use it again.
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- No. - Ever, ever, ever.
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- No, there is another correction that we should do,
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which is I mentioned reachability,
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it revealed a black void at the top of the screen.
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It's actually not a black void.
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I complained that it didn't have your picture behind,
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like a fuzzed version of your backdrop, your wallpaper.
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It actually does, but it's really like darker
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and fuzzed out so much that it's almost unrecognizable,
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but it isn't just a black void.
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It's more like a dark wallpaper-y version of a wall.
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void but it's not like you just if you've got a picture of your friends at the top of your
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wallpaper it's not like they peek through when you do reachability it's sort of like you can see
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through the haze like I would see like I could see sort of the corner of a mountain from the
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picture but just barely so it's definitely not meant to be anything but like a very subtle
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reference to what's in your on your backdrop in reachability but it's not a complete black void
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It's almost so hard to see that they may as well have not done it.
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Yeah, I don't understand. I mean, I guess they didn't want to distract,
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but I feel like it's a weird thing that they should either have embraced the fact that you
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get to peek through and see your... That's the metaphor of iOS 7 and 8 is everything
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sort of translucent and you can see down through the stack. And so you should either make it
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viewable or you should just not even bother but instead it's this very it's
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very subtle very subtle but it is there and I said that it was just a total
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black void it is not.
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Dead Space Gray.
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So this is a weird piece of follow-up but it's a piece of follow-up I would like to address.
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So on last week's episode I creeped some people out by talking about the fact
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that I had really long fingers and how I thought that it would be okay for me to
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get a plus and there was a whilst away in in Italy last week my lady friend took
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a picture of me using my iPhone and I had many people comment on the tweet and
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I've put it in our show notes which are at relay.fm/upgrade/2.
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If you want to see a picture of my hands, you're free to do that.
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Many people commented on the fact that my fingers were very long.
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Jason, I don't know if you've seen this picture.
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I don't know if you have an official view or feeling on the sides of my hands.
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I was confused to see you without glasses.
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That confused me a little bit.
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I also was confused to see you comfortable and outdoors.
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That was different.
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And yes, your fingers seem very long.
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My fingers I think are long but they're not nearly as long as yours.
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I believe my toes are very long but that rarely comes up in a technological context.
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We are venturing into some very interesting areas.
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Interesting is a strong word for it.
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You published a very interesting article on not your website.
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Not on my website, no.
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On the Verge I think is where that one is what you're talking about, right?
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What was that about?
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Well, you know, Nielle Patel is an acquaintance.
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We've exchanged emails and text messages and just, you know, we're friendly.
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And he's the editor-in-chief of The Verge. I've always liked Nielle.
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And he sent me an email last week saying,
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"Would you like to write a quick thing? We want to scan in all these old Macworld covers."
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'cause he's old enough that he, as a kid,
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grew up reading computer magazines
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and Macworld in particular, which is what I did,
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although I didn't really come to it
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until sort of in high school.
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But the pouring over, back before there were tech websites,
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I mean, the only way to get this information
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was to get a magazine and just pour over every detail,
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every page, there are articles that I would read
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like 30 or 40 times when I was buying my first PowerBook.
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Every detail, like what does that mean?
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parsing sentences, does this mean this feature?
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Probably means that article could have been written better
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actually in hindsight if I was that confused.
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But it was a big thing culturally before all this stuff
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was on the web, that was the only connection that you had
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if you loved computers and technology.
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And so they were gonna scan in a bunch of old Macworld
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covers and they wanted me to write something short,
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300 words or something like that about it.
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So I wrote a quick thing actually on the plane
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'cause I was going to and from Portland
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the weekend after this all happened
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to go to the XOXO Festival.
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And I just wrote a quick thing and sent it to them.
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And then they posted it right about when my site launched,
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which was very nice of them
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'cause they linked to it prominently in the header
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and I got a lot of traffic in the verge.
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But it was nice.
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It was just a little,
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I'm trying to say farewell to Macworld as a print magazine,
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which certainly I have a long history with.
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And although I have not been thinking about it
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as a print magazine very much lately
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because we've been focused on the website
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and I've been focused on other sites at IDG for a long time.
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It was a nice sort of Viking funeral for Macworld in print
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and the idea of computer magazines,
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which was once a really big thing
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and is now no longer necessary.
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- We kind of didn't really address it last week,
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but it's very sad that the magazine has gone away.
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Yeah, it is, and yet at the same time it isn't what it used to be.
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I actually think the quality of it has been quite good and has kept up over the years.
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I mean, it doesn't have a fraction of the staff, even when I was still there, it didn't
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have a fraction of the staff it did when I started, and even that was a much smaller
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staff than they used to have.
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But I think the quality was good, but it's not really necessary anymore.
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But that doesn't change the fact that this is a thing that had been in existence for
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the life of the Mac.
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It's been printing for 30 years.
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And so on that level it's sad.
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But time moves on.
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That's what happens.
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It's just like I know a lot of people have said this, but I remember when Stephen Hackett
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was he had a I think it was the back page yeah and I just remember his
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excitement and like how excited I was for him. Print gives you tangibility that
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those of us who work on the web don't get and that often that works very well
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with our parents and grandparents and other relatives where suddenly the fact
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that you've been doing things on the internet has a manifestation that they
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can understand. They can understand, "Oh wow, you are important enough or knowledgeable
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enough that somebody with a printing press took your picture and put it on their back
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page with your words." That's a seal of approval that for people who grew up before the internet
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era, this internet stuff, they don't know whether this is all made up and fake or whether
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it's really a real thing. And so for them, what a huge stamp it is to have you be on
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tree in ink. That's a real signifier of quality and I can't tell you how many writers over
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the years we used, I mentioned this in the Verge article, who were web writers that we
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would find and say "we like your stuff, why don't we publish you in the magazine?" and
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they're like "that's cool" and they would always say "my mom went out and bought a copy,
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my grandma went out and bought a copy, they bought ten copies and sent it to all the relatives."
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That was a very common phenomenon.
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What else do we have? Oh, let's see, more follow-up. Yeah, that's right, we're still doing follow-up. It's very exciting.
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So, the common bond in a lot of the follow-up this week was about our
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conversation about the phone sizes, because we talked a lot about the iPhone
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6 and the iPhone 6 Plus, and we talked a little bit about the fact that the 5C
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and 5S are still there, and this was a common thread is the question if
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Apple is going to abandon that four inch phone size?
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I've heard a lot of people say, "Well, you know, Apple doesn't make
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this phone, they've abandoned this size." It's not really true. The 5C and 5S
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are still out there. The new phones are bigger, but
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I think when people assume that that's the end of the line for the smaller phones,
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it could be, "I am skeptical. I think
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Apple, I think there's a good chance Apple is going to keep something
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around in that size for a while and perhaps even forever.
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Just because it didn't get updated this year
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doesn't mean that in a year or two,
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there will be something, whether it's called the five
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or whether it's called like the 6C for compact or smaller
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or something like that, that is on par or close to on par
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with these bigger phones, but is in that smaller,
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a smaller size like the 5 series.
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And so we got some feedback about that.
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Listener Phil wrote in to say that there were,
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the Plus felt way too big to use.
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He was planning on getting the 6 himself,
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but if there were a hardware upgraded 5S,
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he might be tempted to stick with that.
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And Listener Shep wrote in to say,
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"I think a small functional iPhone Nano is possible
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if the technology behind the Apple Watch
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can be made affordably and in larger sizes."
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He had an interesting idea that there's actually a patent,
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an Apple patent about that is making,
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eliminating the physical home button
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and instead making sort of a virtual button
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that would reduce the size even more
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while still keeping the screen at the same size,
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which is an interesting idea.
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But definitely, I heard a lot of women on Twitter,
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Brianna Wu was going on about this,
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like these phones are too big for them.
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They don't fit in their pockets.
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They don't like it.
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They like the five.
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I don't think the release of the six and the six plus
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is Apple saying, you people who like the five,
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we, you know, forget it, we're never gonna serve you again.
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You could assume that because they didn't do a new five
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this time, but I don't know, there is nothing stopping them
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from continuing to have a phone that size
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in their product line, they just didn't update it this year.
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- I've been thinking about this a little bit too myself,
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and I don't think they did what we expected them to do,
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which was to take the 5S and put it in a plastic shell.
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- Right, right, the 5C is still the 5C,
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which is two years ago's model now in a plastic shell.
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- And then the 5S is just the 5S.
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So, but I've also been thinking quite a bit about this
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and I think that, I wonder if Apple
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would be willing to do it.
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Like, you're looking at the sales numbers,
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we had the first sales numbers of 10 million
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sold over opening weekend with the new iPhone 6 and 6 Plus.
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And I wonder, you know, if in a, I don't know,
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it'd be like four years maybe before the 5S
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would be bumped out, potentially something like,
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if you look at the fact we've just got rid of the 4S,
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how old is the 4S?
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- Oh, the 4S is, well, if the 5 is two years old,
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the 4S is three years old.
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- So maybe in about three years time
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is when we're gonna get the answer to that question.
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- Maybe, maybe, I mean, there's the work that goes
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into integrating the innards of the phone
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into a smaller thing.
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I mean, presumably they would at some point
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want to increase the, improve the industrial design,
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make it more curvy and less like the five is now
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because that's the old design language
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and they moved on to this new look and feel.
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But I think there's nothing stopping them from doing that.
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I think, you know, Apple's got a lot, behind the scenes,
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Apple does a lot of market research.
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They've got a lot of numbers.
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They know in what regions, at what rate
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the large size phones sell.
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That was one of the reasons that they made the 6 Plus
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is to go into regions, especially like Asia,
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where those phones are very popular.
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They know what phones sell and at what sizes.
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So Apple probably knows the answer to this already
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about what the difference is
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between the iPhone 5 sized market
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and the iPhone 6 sized market.
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And they may have already decided,
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well, it's not a big enough market for us to worry about it.
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I think it's just as likely that they said,
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look, the 6 is our flagship.
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that is gonna be the size that most people want.
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Some people are gonna want a bigger phone,
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some people are gonna want a smaller phone,
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and we will serve those markets too.
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And if it's worth it for them to make a phone
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that's a little bit smaller, they will.
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They just don't need to do it right now
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because the 5S is a perfectly good phone,
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it's got touch ID, it doesn't have the NFC stuff
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for Apple Pay, but it's a one year old phone.
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There was a huge leap in performance
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between the 5 and the 5S.
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So the 5S is solid in a way that that free 5C
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is a perfectly fine phone too,
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but the 5S is that much faster.
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So I don't know, they didn't need to change it now.
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I think the question is gonna be in a year or two,
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do they just say, "Forget it if you want a smaller phone?"
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I just, they've done the market research,
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so they probably know, but I would be surprised actually.
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I would probably put a very modest bet
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that there will, on the fact that there will always be
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a smaller phone in the line, that they don't want to turn their back on people
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who refuse that. But they may know different. They may think,
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"Yeah, people are complaining, but they'll all get used to it and then there'll be no
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market for a smaller phone."
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That may be. They're the ones that have
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lots of, you know, Apple does a lot of
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research. They don't make these moves
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entirely on gut feel. They have an idea of how consumers are
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are seeing this product line. But from Twitter it seems like
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there is a market, Twitter not a great research tool, but it seems like there is a market for a
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smaller phone out there that maybe Apple will maintain in the future. I think it may have been
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John Gruber's review where he spoke about, I read it in somebody's review, about the fact that
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there'll probably never be an iPhone bigger than this because they were like testing sizes in
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in increments. Right, yeah he said like every every tenth of an inch or something like that.
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So yeah here we go I've got the quote here. "My understanding talking to people at the
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event last week is that Apple's industrial design team mocked up prototypes of every
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single size between 4.0 and 6.0 inches in tenths of an inch increments and from those
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twenty sizes selected the two that hit the best sweet spots the regular iPhone and ginormous
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iPhone so we might never see new iPhone sizes again or at least not bigger ones.
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Keeping in mind, I mean he's talking to people who are working on the hardware design, but
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like I said, this is also informed by research.
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This is also informed by who's buying what, at least on a gross scale, right?
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They know people are buying big phones so they wanted to make a big phone and then they
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figured out what their right size was for their big phone.
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And the small, I think it works on the small side too.
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I don't know what they're thinking internally at Apple,
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obviously about this.
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Do they think the six is enough?
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But yeah, the six plus is big.
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And above a certain point, yeah,
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they probably would rather you just buy an iPad.
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But markets change too.
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People, you know, if Samsung or somebody else comes out
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with something that's crazy that everybody looks at
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and thinks, well, that, you know, that'll never sell
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and it surprisingly sells, then everybody will take stock.
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And they'll, I think that's what happened with the Note.
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See, this is the difference between Apple and Samsung.
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Apple mocks up every size in 10th of an inch increments
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and holds it in their hands, you know, internally at Apple.
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Samsung just releases every phone in every size
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and sees what sells, which is crazy.
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- I wonder what the right option is in that scenario,
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though, right?
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Because Samsung found their winner.
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- Yeah, yeah.
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- And they may have never found it.
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- Yes, exactly right.
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And Apple didn't, you know, Apple wasn't a believer
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in that, I think, in that large phone size.
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And they learned a lesson.
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No, there's advantages to doing what Samsung does
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'cause they're doing market research in the market.
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I think Apple,
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part of it is I think Apple can't make that many products.
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I think Apple's attention to quality and detail
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is such that they really need to focus
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and they're not that huge a company.
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They need to focus on a few products
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and make them really, really good.
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And Samsung has the ability,
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and especially Samsung with the Android interface
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being scalable, that, you know, it wasn't a lot of extra work to make all those different
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models whereas Apple has had to spend two years laying the groundwork to make these
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different phone sizes because they were locked into that sort of 1x, 2x mode for their developers.
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So you know, it was in some ways, it was easier for Samsung to do it because Samsung's playing
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Samsung's game and Apple's playing Apple's game but you know, Samsung got an advantage
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because they threw lots of spaghetti against the wall and something stuck and
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it was it was the the note especially that that surprised everybody.
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So we still have quite a bit more follow-up but I want to take a quick
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break to thank our first sponsor for this week's episode and that is the fine
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Whether it's something simple like a frequently used address, an email
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signature, several paragraphs of the standard response, or maybe a frequently
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used email address that you use, you'll love how easy it is to use TextExpander
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that have integrated snippets.
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So these are apps like some of my favorites like OmniFocus,
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Fantastical, Day One, Drafts, Launch Center Pro and so many more.
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But this is the really cool thing.
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And we spoke about this last week, but now it's here with the new TextExpander
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So now even if you have an app that isn't one of the 60+ that support snippets
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directly, you can now still get the great time and hassle-saving benefits of TextExpander
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everywhere because of this custom keyboard that they've made.
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This is something that simply could not be done before iOS 8 and a new TextExpander
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keyboard has quickly become one of my favorite new features of iOS 8. I am able
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to just jump in and I'm able to trigger off little things like I have shipping
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addresses and stuff like that that I have text expanded snippets for and rather
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than having to type all of that out I can just use the text expanded keyboard
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and I can trigger them everywhere. I want to make something very clear for a
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moment. So Apple have a limitation, not a limitation, it's like a security setting
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that they've enabled. So you have to kind of say I want to give keyboards full
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access and this can typically means like connecting to the internet for whatever
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reason this that they may need to like apps like SwiftKey they go out to the
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internet for suggestions and things like that. Now the TextExpander requires
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TextExpander keyboard requires you to give this but it's only so you can share
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snippet data with the main TextExpander app and also play the awesome bloop
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sounds that you're used to hearing when you expand a snippet. So that they need it so
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they can connect the two apps together so you can get the snippets. Now, Smile wanted
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me to bring this up because they've had some feedback from their customers and so something
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that they've done, that they had done anyway, is they publish an update to their privacy
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policy on their website which you can check out if you want and it outlines exactly what
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they need this access for. But it's effectively just so it can get the access to the snippets
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that you want. I love this keyboard, it's made a real improvement to my work on iOS
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I love how they use the lowercase and uppercase lettering on the keyboard so you don't have
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and Relay FM.
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Yeah, one of the funny things about this update is there were apps that supported TextExpander,
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but it was a lot of work for the third-party apps.
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and then you get to an Apple app and there was no support for it because Apple
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wasn't paying attention, didn't care, wasn't going to work on that.
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And now with this keyboard it's everywhere. It's literally everywhere you
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get that keyboard you can use the text expander shortcuts
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in Notes, in Mail, in Safari, wherever.
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I love using it in Mail.
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Yeah. Big fan.
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So Mr Snell,
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back to your beloved follow up.
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Oh, follow up.
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Yeah, well you know episode one there's going to be a lot of follow-up.
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Listener Bonnie wrote in to say that she ordered the iPhone 6 Plus for her 84-year-old mother.
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This is something that we mentioned last week.
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She's moving up from an iPhone 4 but Bonnie says because of her failing eyesight I've
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had to have the text on her old phone expanded so large she actually used a magnifying glass
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on her phone.
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And with the new 6 Plus, they'll have the display zoom turned on.
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So everything will be bigger, and then she'll also have an easier time finding the phone
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because it's just that much larger.
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And I thought that was an interesting real world example of how I've heard this in the past,
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that people want, you know, you have two choices when you make a screen bigger.
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You can either make it show more or just make everything scale up and be bigger the bigger it gets.
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Like, I don't know if you remember the,
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for a while Apple was making the iBook in 11 and 13 inches
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and, or 12 and 14 inches, something like that.
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It was two sizes, but the screens were the same size.
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So literally it was just, on the bigger laptop,
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everything looked bigger.
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There's the same resolution, just a different size.
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So you could get small print or large print iBook.
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And this is a little bit like that.
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So nice, so 84 year old mom getting an iPhone 6 Plus.
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Myke, your phone is the choice of the octogenarians.
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- Just like me, huh?
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You're very much like an 84-year-old mother.
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- I'm an octogenarian at heart.
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- That's right.
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Get off my lawn.
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Listener Russ wrote in,
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people were asking about the speaker,
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and the 6+ definitely seems to have
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a little bit louder speaker.
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We talked about speakers last time,
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and his suggestion, which is an interesting one,
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is that maybe Apple doesn't care too much about the speakers
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because they know that people are using this with Bluetooth
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and docs and things like that
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and doesn't really prioritize the speaker, which is true.
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So that may be why you're not getting as much satisfaction
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out of your speaker on your iPhone.
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Have you tried the speaker on the new phone yet?
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- I've had it for like an hour,
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which I'm gonna mention in a bit.
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So I haven't got to dig in too much,
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but I have seen people on Twitter saying that to them,
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it sounds better or louder. It is louder. It is noticeably louder than the 6 or the
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5. And to be honest, I mean for me, and one of the reasons I asked, it wasn't so much
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that I needed it to have more accurate sound reproduction, you know, for my audio file
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music. You just want to hear podcasts while you're cooking. Exactly. I want to hear it
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over things. Yeah. And so, you know, if it's louder that's great. I did not expect the
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vibrate motor to be so dramatic. It's powerful. Well you get that big phone you
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got room for a nice powerful vibration from the motor. There was something that
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I wanted to ask you from an article that I read on your lovely website which
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we're going to talk about in a bit, SixColors.com and it was about the
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you wrote about the Apple Watch Edition right so the potentially two
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million dollar watch. I should have charged everybody a thousand dollars to
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read that article because it's article edition. But there was one
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thing that you mentioned in it that I hadn't seen anywhere else which is the
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box that the edition comes in. Can you just, anybody that hasn't read it or
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just to recap, what am I referring to? It just got lost in the shuffle. Some people
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wrote about it. I actually did a search because I didn't see it anywhere either
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either and David Pogue mentioned it. Anybody who got a briefing after the event got a chance
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to see it and a few people wrote about it but I think it got lost in the shuffle of
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the event. The idea is that if you buy the Apple Watch edition, it's unclear exactly
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what you get. I think I recall but I don't have it in my notes that they said that you
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actually get multiple bands when you buy the edition which again I'm not 100% sure on that
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but again you're paying so much, we don't know how much, for this that they really wanted
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to load it up with features. And one of the things is, it comes in a box. It comes in
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a leather box. So that's fancy, right? And it's just like any watch, you get a fancy
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watch box. It's part of the luxury watch experience. The difference here is that when you open
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the top, when you take the top of the box off, the base of the box, the bottom part,
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has the magnetic sort of stand where the watch attaches. It's a MagSafe induction charger
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for the watch. And on the back of the box is a little slot that is a lightning slot
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and you can slot a lightning cable in there and plug it in and now your leather Apple
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Watch Edition box is a dock that you can put by your bedside or out by your hot tub or
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on your helipad or in your island retreat or wherever you'd like and you can charge
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it right there at the end of the day. So it's not just a case, it's not just a box, it's
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a leather charger box. So you're not like threading the cable through this, it's like
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built in to it. Oh the electronics are built in, so you plug one of those little white
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lightning cables into the little slot on the back of the box and that's it. And then you
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click, you know you put the watch on the magnetic charging thingy and it charges. See because
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this like watch boxes are a thing in high-end watches right so it this shows that they are
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paying attention to it i've been thinking a lot about this because i like many people
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have not considered the price of the watch edition it's too much a lot of us are like well it's gonna
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cost too much and who thought i didn't think much more than that like it'll be a lot like i said to
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John Syracuse on Twitter, you know, how much you got. It's all of that. We'll take it all.
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All your assets.
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There's so many questions.
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Yeah. Well, that's part of Apple's plan here. One, they don't know the answers to a lot
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of these questions. And two, they're going to have to roll this product out next year
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and they want to save some mystery. So some of it is mystery and some of it is they don't
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know yet what they're going to say. But it is fascinating. They are piling on. I got
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the feeling when I was looking at it. They're piling on the luxury features, that it's solid
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gold and it is definitely heavier than the other watches because it is gold. It's impressive.
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They're loading a lot of luxury features into this. This isn't just, you know, you get it
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in the same plastic box. You get it in the special leather box with the charger built
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What are your thoughts about the one-year shelf life, potentially? If we look at this
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like all of our other Apple devices.
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I mean, that's a great question.
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I was listening actually to a accidental tech podcast
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the other day and they were talking about this too.
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And it was, you know, the idea of planned obsolescence
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that after a year or two,
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this is gonna be old crappy hardware
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and you just spent thousands and thousands of dollars on it.
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And it's old crappy hardware wrapped in gold.
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And when I think about the edition and its price
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and all these features, it does make me wonder
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If part of the features that they pile into a product
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that's that expensive, might not be upgrades,
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might not be a guarantee that for five years
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they will replace the internals,
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that you'll be able to take it to an Apple store
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and wait half an hour or wait an hour,
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like you would take your watch in to be serviced
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at a high end watch store, maybe it's a day,
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and come back and it will have new internals
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that they'll commit to fitting the latest technology
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into that watch shape for some period of time.
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It wouldn't, that would be very different
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and it seems untenable except when we realize
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we're talking about a, you know, whatever,
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two, five, $10,000 piece of jewelry,
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maybe that's one of the new ways Apple addresses this market
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is with some sort of a guarantee against obsolescence
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for some period of time.
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It wouldn't, they're going way off the book here.
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So it wouldn't surprise me for them to take it further
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and say, you get concierge service and technical upgrades.
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And for at least five years,
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we'll make sure that you've got the latest,
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latest hardware updates on the inside of this thing.
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That's impractical to a point
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if they keep changing the look of the design.
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But maybe it's worth it to commit to finding a way
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to build something into this enclosure
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or to swap it for a different one even,
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just to give them some guarantee.
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'Cause that's what worries me,
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is you spend 10 grand on something that's a family heirloom,
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it's different from spending 10 grand on something
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that's gonna be completely outdated in a year or two.
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- I think you could just swap it over, right?
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Like the cost of them getting the gold back helps.
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- Yeah, it could be that simple.
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Although whether, I don't know, I don't know.
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It depends on how personal people feel about it,
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but maybe, maybe so.
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I don't know, I think there's something there.
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I think that if I was an Apple working on the Apple Watch,
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this would be one of the main discussions is
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the difference between a Rolex and the Apple Watch
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is that the Rolex will do exactly what it does now
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in 50 years, because they're not gonna change time, right?
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They're not gonna add a 14th, 15th, and 16th hour in 2020.
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They're not gonna add a new number.
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None of those things is going to happen.
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Watches are still going to work.
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But the Apple Watch is a piece of technology
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and we know how those things go.
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So that's, I would have that high on my list of concerns
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for something with a high price tag
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like the Apple Watch edition if I were at Apple.
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- Do you remember when the original iPhone
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was released and it how long was it for it until it shipped? Is it like six months?
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Oh they announced it no I wasn't out in December and they announced it in
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October I think so I think it was only a couple of months for the for the for the
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iPod? No the original iPhone. Oh iPhone yeah that was six months that was
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January to end of June beginning of July. So six months. Between that time
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everyone just spoke about what they thought the iPhone was gonna be like and
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talking about, oh imagine if this is the iPhone,
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that's the kind of stuff.
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That's what we have again.
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- We can spend the next six months just pontificating
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about the word tradition. - Isn't it great?
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- It's great.
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- There's limited information, some people know things
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that other people don't know.
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Everything's sort of spread through whispers,
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plenty of room for speculation, yeah.
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- We've got something to talk about, right?
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- Yeah, high five.
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- There's one last thing that I dropped in a document today
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And it's not follow-up per se,
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but this felt like the best place to say it.
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And it was a tweet from our friend, David Sparks.
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And he's obviously referring to the IOS 8 episode
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of Mac Power Users.
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And his tweet was, "I think I angered the entire internet
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by repeatedly saying, 'Hey Siri,' on the podcast.
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Think we'll need a code word for future reference."
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And it made me think about how much power we have
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for anybody listening on like a loudspeaker
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or in an office or something, could you say,
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"Hey, Siri," and then they're all just gonna go off.
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So I don't know if you maybe wanna give it a go.
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- When I was on, I think MacBreak Weekly
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or it might've been Twit a few weeks ago,
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we were talking about this,
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and it was only when it was in beta.
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So the potential for downfall was less.
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But yes, you have the ability
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because there's no way to train it
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to only respond to your voice or something.
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If you've got this feature turned on in iOS 8
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and your iPhone is plugged in and listening to us,
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then I could say, "Hey, Siri, send a text message to my mom
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saying I'm sorry for what I did."
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Yes, send it.
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It's really dangerous and I don't think I like this feature.
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Also, I don't know if you like husband and wife
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and you both have iPhone 6s
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and they're sitting next to each other
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and somebody says, "Hey, Siri, they're both gonna fire off."
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It's crazy, yeah, I wonder about this feature.
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- I turned it off immediately when I...
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Because I activated it.
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But the thing, I was watching a TV show
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and it just randomly went off.
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Nobody said, "Hey, Siri."
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It just fired off on its own.
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I can't understand why you would want this
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if the iPhone doesn't do anything to try and learn your voice
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which it doesn't appear like it does
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or at least if it does,
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I haven't seen anybody mention it.
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- Yeah, I like the idea of it being in some environments
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where you might wanna be, you know,
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you can't press a button, you know, you're not,
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you're really hands-free and you wanna trigger off Siri.
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I can see that, but yeah,
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you'd either wanna be able to set a code word
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or have some other kind of, you know,
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voice recognition that matches you to a person.
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Right now, it's just kind of dangerous.
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And like I was saying, impractical,
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'cause if you've got multiple devices that do this,
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then it's gonna be a disaster.
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Every device is gonna do the same thing
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and you're gonna have many series talking back to you
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and it's crazy.
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I should try that sometime,
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'cause I've got three of these devices right now.
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I should, we could just line up like five iOS 8 devices
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and plug them all in and then see what happens
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when you say, "Hey Siri, that's bad.
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"That's a bad idea.
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"I gotta do that."
00:38:30
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- So let's talk about the new iPhones a little bit.
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So I received my iPhone Plus today,
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like an hour before I recorded.
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So I don't have a lot to say about it right now.
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I have a few things.
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It is really, really big.
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How do your fingers fit with it though?
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- Not too badly.
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- Your crazily, insanely long fingers.
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- It is big.
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- It is big.
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- I think I can deal with it.
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I think I've not had enough time with it yet
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to get used to it, but I can hold it
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and I feel like I have a secure hold on it.
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I bought this rubbery case from Amazon.
00:39:20
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So I had a case on day one because I ordered
00:39:23
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one of the Apple silicone cases,
00:39:25
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but doesn't ship till October,
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which seems kind of a strange thing to do
00:39:31
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to have a phone and I ordered them at the same time.
00:39:35
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So the cases couldn't have sold out faster than the phones.
00:39:39
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So I didn't really understand what's going on there.
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but I'm going to go to an Apple store tomorrow
00:39:43
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and buy one of the leather cases and Apple Care Plus.
00:39:48
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I've never had Apple Care for a phone before,
00:39:51
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but I think I will drop this one.
00:39:52
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So I'm going to get that.
00:39:56
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Lots of people will probably ask for the case that I bought.
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So I'll make sure I put it in the show notes.
00:40:03
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It's one of these companies that I think always takes a bet
00:40:07
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on the rumors or is one of the companies
00:40:10
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pays a ridiculous amount. Spigen. S P I G E N. I've heard people say that these guys
00:40:17
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are always kind of there on Amazon on day one. I bought like a clear kind of
00:40:23
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rubbery texture case. I like a case that gives me extra grip. That's important
00:40:30
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with this phone to have as much grip as possible. So I'm probably gonna get one
00:40:35
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of the leather cases and the silicon cases and just decide between which one I like
00:40:39
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the most. I really like the the I've been trying the Apple leather case on the on
00:40:45
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the 6 and it's nice it's nicer than the 5 cases I think the Apple 5 cases were
00:40:51
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kind of hard to put on and the leather one didn't feel like leather it was
00:40:54
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stretched so tightly and it was like not textured and it didn't feel like a
00:40:58
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leather case even though it was made of leather and the new one is much easier
00:41:03
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to get on and nicer and feels like leather and feels a little more grippy
00:41:07
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and I've actually been enjoying trying it
00:41:09
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and I don't usually wear a case with my iPhone
00:41:12
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and I put it on and it's actually pretty nice.
00:41:16
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It's funny that you talk about having the device
00:41:17
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and not the case, 'cause for me,
00:41:19
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I always flash back to when the,
00:41:21
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I wanna say maybe the first iPad mini came out
00:41:23
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and I bought it and I got a box from Apple
00:41:26
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and I was very excited and it was the case.
00:41:29
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It was like the smart case or the smart cover.
00:41:31
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And for like two weeks,
00:41:33
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I had this thing that didn't attach to anything.
00:41:35
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I just had this cover
00:41:36
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and it was just, it was the worst.
00:41:39
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Like, eventually these magnets will snap
00:41:42
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onto an Apple product,
00:41:43
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but now it's just a cover for nothing.
00:41:46
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So that's worse, believe me,
00:41:48
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having the case and not the product, that is the worst.
00:41:52
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- So aside from that, I don't have a lot more to say.
00:41:57
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Like I've not used it nowhere near enough.
00:41:59
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- Yeah, oh no, you need to take some time with it.
00:42:01
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You really, yeah, you need to take some time with it.
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that's you've got to live with it and like do all of your things that are just, that
00:42:09
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come naturally that you don't even think about and see where they conflict with this new
00:42:14
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thing and then how you deal with that.
00:42:17
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So in a moment of cross-promotion, so I'm recording "Connected" tomorrow with me and
00:42:24
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Federico Vittucci, which is another Relay FM show at relay.fm/connected. So I'm going
00:42:30
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give myself on that show I would have had my first 24 hours and one thing that
00:42:36
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I'm going to do is not charge the phone my plan is to not plug my phone in from
00:42:42
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the moment I unplug it tomorrow and see how far I can go I think that would be
00:42:48
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that's that would be a really important test for me because one of the reasons
00:42:51
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of having this device is for the battery so I will have had it for a day at that
00:42:57
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point if you think that one day is any better than an hour so you can tune
00:43:01
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into connected and hear my thoughts on the 6 plus. Very nice I look forward to
00:43:06
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that. How have your impressions changed if at all since the last time we spoke?
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Oh I don't know not not a lot I mean I like the 6 I think I made the right
00:43:21
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choice there. I think the 6 Plus is going to have its huge fans and that's great and
00:43:29
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that a lot of people are going to say, "Wow, that's a really enormous phone. I'm not quite
00:43:34
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sure about that." I like the 6 Plus. The battery life is amazing. The screen is amazing. But
00:43:45
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But it's huge and so it's only gonna be for some people.
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Beyond that, I guess all the time I spent at XOXO
00:43:53
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did teach me that I think the battery life,
00:43:57
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it's hard to gauge battery life.
00:43:58
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The battery life on the 6 feels better than on the 5,
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although I'm using a one-year-old 5S.
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So that battery is degraded already
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'cause that's what happens with batteries
00:44:07
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is you use them and they lose life.
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But it seems better and then the 6 Plus
00:44:13
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is that much better on top of that.
00:44:17
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- It is more better, yeah.
00:44:18
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- And you mentioned this,
00:44:22
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are you using a case right on yours?
00:44:24
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- Yeah, I'm just trying out the Apple leather case
00:44:26
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and just to see, honestly,
00:44:30
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just so I can write something about it,
00:44:31
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to just sort of experience what these cases are like.
00:44:33
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And like I said, it feels better than the five cases.
00:44:36
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It was easier to put on
00:44:38
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and it feels more like an actual leather case
00:44:40
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and it is grippy in a way.
00:44:42
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and the old leather cases were so stretched out
00:44:45
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and they felt weird.
00:44:47
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I didn't like the Apple cases on the 5,
00:44:50
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but on the 6, it seems pretty nice.
00:44:53
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- And what phone did you buy?
00:44:56
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- I bought the 6 in space grey at the 64.
00:45:01
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So yeah, that was the one I bought and I've got it.
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And it's great.
00:45:07
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It's nice to be back with the black phone
00:45:10
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after a year with the, I got the gold last year.
00:45:14
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It's nice, it's fine.
00:45:17
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But I like the, my favorite iPhone maybe of all time
00:45:21
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was the black iPhone 5.
00:45:23
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I loved the black iPhone 5.
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It was just like Darth Vader's phone.
00:45:27
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And this is not quite that,
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but although I've got the black leather case on it.
00:45:32
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So the space gray, you can't even see the space gray,
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it's just all black.
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It's the spinal tap phone.
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How much black could it be? None more black.
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The black 5 was the one that like really chipped up, wasn't it?
00:45:46
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Not for me, but yeah, apparently for people. Apparently it could show some wounds, but you know, it didn't ever bother me.
00:45:57
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It was great. I loved it.
00:45:59
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A black phone as black as my heart.
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No, that's not true.
00:46:05
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That's not true. My heart is much blacker than that. Anyway.
00:46:07
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Apparently your heart consists of six colors.
00:46:10
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Six colors, that's right.
00:46:11
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It is pumping six colors through.
00:46:13
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This is true.
00:46:14
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And we're going to get to that just after we take a moment to thank our second sponsor.
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So I'm sometimes known for my interviewing skills.
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Will you allow me to conduct a mini-interview?
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What you like to be known for are your interviewing skills.
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Well now, I mean you were one of my favorite guests on Command Space and Inquisitive and
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I can't do it anymore.
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You can no longer be a guest on my show.
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I've retired.
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I have to do it here.
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So we didn't talk about six colors at all last week.
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No, I wasn't sure whether it would be up by the time the podcast posted, so I didn't want
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I did mention that the old saying about bleeding six colors, but I didn't actually say that
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that was my site.
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That was like a little Easter egg.
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That was a nice nod.
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I like that.
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I had a big smile on my face when you said it.
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So I want to talk about not just six colors, but the shift in your day-to-day life.
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So this has been your first week ever as an independent writer, right?
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Yeah, it's day four now, essentially, my work day, day four of working in my garage doing this as my job.
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How's it been?
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Well, it's been a crazy couple of weeks. That's the thing, is that we had the Apple event, then the IDG layoff,
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and then I very rapidly was like doing,
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well then I was writing my iPhone review
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and we did our first episode and I went to XOXO
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and I finished my iPhone review and I came home
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and the iPhone embargo's dropped and I launched the website
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and then I had three days where I was sort of like
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doing things with the website, writing articles,
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fixing things in the HTML and all of that.
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So it's too early to tell,
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'cause this is literally like day four
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of what would be considered a normal day for me.
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It's been a lot of fun though.
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I've said in a few places on my statement
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when I left Macworld that it had been
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a tough couple of years, I hadn't really been happy,
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and I hadn't been doing the things
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that I really loved at the job.
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And I can say that so far.
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I get out of bed in the morning
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and I have none of those feelings of like,
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oh God, I gotta grip my teeth,
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I gotta get through this, it's another day,
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I gotta go into the office.
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And that's just gone, those feelings are gone.
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Now, give it a few weeks and we'll see if they come back
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and like, oh, I can't believe I gotta go to the garage now
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and start working.
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But for now it's just sort of a glee of like,
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I get to go out and work and write things and find links
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and talk to people on the internet and do podcasts.
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And I'm excited about that.
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But I'm still trying to find a rhythm and a schedule
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that works for me.
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and it's a brand new thing.
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So I'm gonna learn a lot about what to do
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and what not to do.
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And a lot of this is experimental and exploratory right now
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'cause it's day four.
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This is the first full week of me doing this.
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So we'll see how it goes.
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I'm gonna learn a lot.
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I'm just open to the fact that I'm gonna learn things
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that are completely unexpected of like,
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oh, turns out this sort of thing is good
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and this sort of thing I should never ever ever do.
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And I look forward to that.
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- What's it been like to get back into writing every day?
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Because I think I can probably assume
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that you weren't writing every day when you were at IDG.
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I assume you were also doing a lot of administrative work
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and meetings and like planning and things like that.
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- Yeah, I kept the Apple articles
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and occasionally I would write other stories
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just to keep myself sane.
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But most of my job was meetings
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and talking to other editors.
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And the way I phrased it,
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I think when I announced my departure was,
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I was managing the people who managed the people
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who managed the people who wrote articles.
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And that was just, you know,
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and even when I was EIC at Macworld,
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I was doing a lot less of that stuff
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than because I was managing,
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and it's not just managing,
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it's also that there were other people there
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to do those things.
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So like, I don't have any,
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on Six Colors, I don't have any comprehensive
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iOS 8 coverage right now.
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And the number one reason for that is
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that this has been a crazy couple of weeks
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and I had to do the iPhone review and prioritize that.
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But number two reason is,
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Dan Morin wrote that review for Macworld.
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And so I've spent, you know, that was a delegation thing.
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That was, Dan's gonna do that.
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And so, you know, when you're surrounded
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by talented people like that,
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you end up not writing articles
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because you can't write all the articles
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and because you've got great people
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to write those articles anyway.
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And so, yeah, you end up becoming removed
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from the writing part of it.
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And that didn't make me happy because I like writing.
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I like editing too, and that's something
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I'm not doing right now,
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because I'm just writing for myself.
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But it's nice to get back to writing
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and to spread out a little bit in terms of the voice
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and have it be me, because a lot of the stuff that I wrote,
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I could seep through, but it was also Macworld saying this thing.
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And I'm trying to establish Six Colors as being me.
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And I've got some guest writers who've come in already.
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Dan Frakes and Dan Warren both wrote something last week, but it's my place.
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And I want my interests and personality to come through because when I look at
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sites like Daring Fireball and The Loop, John Gruber and Jim Downerimple,
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their personalities come through there.
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and I think one of the reasons people like those sites,
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who read those sites, is because they're reading a person
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and including their quirks and interests,
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rather than having it be totally flat.
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So it's been fun, it's been fun,
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but I totally recognize that I've got a lot more to learn
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about how to do this.
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- You say about the sort of the personal aspect.
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I'm assuming that when you ever did write things
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Macworld or TechHive that you had to conform to the style guide in a way?
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Sure, and sometimes you internalize that. I mean, I'm sure I could have ignored it
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and gotten away with it. Yeah. You internalize it and you think to
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yourself, "I'm doing this under the banner of Macworld and I need to follow the..."
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You know, sometimes I would leave out strange, weird references because I just
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figured nobody needed to see that or they would take it out anyway. Sometimes
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Sometimes I'd leave them in and then an editor would take them out and that's been one of
00:55:32
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the pleasures of the last week is putting those references in and they just are there
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and people can take them or leave them but I've done I've had a few of those.
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I think I did a yeah I've done a couple of those little jokes and things and I think
00:55:48
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that's fun and it adds to it but those are not necessarily things I would have done in
00:55:52
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And you mentioned about your own personality coming through and the things that you write
00:55:58
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obviously people know that you are a big fan of pop culture stuff, you know, they see
00:56:03
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that with your work at the incomparable. Will you be writing about these things
00:56:07
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at Six Colors or are we gonna see other aspects of your
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personality here? I want some of that to come through at Six Colors
00:56:17
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but what I especially at first want to do is establish that I am
00:56:21
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writing about technology and I'm writing about Apple and I will also write about
00:56:25
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other stuff. In fact, the first post that I did was a--before this I launched as a
00:56:29
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test--was a link post about this Smithsonian Magazine article about the
00:56:33
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original Star Trek USS Enterprise model being refurbished. So I do intend for
00:56:38
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some of that to be in there, but I also don't want to turn it into a link blog
00:56:43
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of sci-fi links, because I want to cater to the audience that, you know,
00:56:48
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cares about the tech stuff too, and maybe also cares about that, and I don't want
00:56:52
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to send the wrong signal early on that this is going to be super nerdy, you know, sci-fi
00:56:59
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links with the occasional Apple post because I just, I feel like that's the wrong balance,
00:57:04
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but I have to find that balance. I mean, I made the decision not to turn the incomparable
00:57:08
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into a pop culture and technology podcast network and do my own podcasts about technology
00:57:15
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there. I, instead I talked to you and we're going to do Clockwise and this show here at
00:57:20
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relay because I thought it was a different audience and a different kind
00:57:25
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of thing and I kind of wanted a little separation. Six colors is different and I
00:57:29
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don't know quite where it's gonna go. I'd like to write about the geekier stuff
00:57:34
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there a little bit too and let my my love of that stuff show through but
00:57:38
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right now I kind of feel like I'm taking it easy well and we'll see how it goes.
00:57:43
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I just don't want to go overboard with it.
00:57:46
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How long have your days been so far?
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Are you working one hour, 25 hours?
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How much like--
00:57:53
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- Well, this has been a weird week
00:57:57
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because of all the travel and the embargo
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and things like that.
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I try to do, this is what my wife and I have been talking
00:58:05
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about is how do you set up a schedule
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for something like this?
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'Cause ultimately, we'd like to be able to plan out
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sort of like when am I going in and starting work
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and when am I finishing?
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And I already had some issues with that
00:58:20
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because I would come home from the office
00:58:21
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and do the incomparable.
00:58:22
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So I was working evenings doing the incomparable already.
00:58:27
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So we're still working it out.
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Ideally, I get up in the morning,
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the kids are getting ready to go to school.
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I make a pot of tea.
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The kids are rushing out the door.
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At some point between seven and eight,
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I am going into the garage and starting to work.
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And then in the evening, at some point I come back,
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I emerge and I'm trying to find time to do that.
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And also I will leave in the afternoon
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to pick up my kids at school and things like that
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if I need to.
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So I'm still trying to explore it
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depending on what's going on with the incomparable.
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Sometimes there are long evenings,
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but it's still settling down too.
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Like I'm still making changes to the site,
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like Facebook tags and RSS tags and accessibility CSS
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and things like that that I just need to do
00:59:17
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because I'm building the site and the site templates
00:59:19
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from scratch more or less, which is fun.
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But that's also like site maintenance
00:59:24
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that I imagine will become less of an issue going forward.
00:59:27
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But right now it's an issue because the site's brand new.
00:59:30
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So balancing the time of like writing
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versus posting links versus updating templates
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versus emailing people is all in there too.
00:59:41
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- What have been some of the other challenges
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you faced this week?
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- I don't know, I mean, we've sort of talked about it.
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It's trying to find a balance, trying to figure out
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what to write and what not to write.
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What constitutes a story and what doesn't?
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What constitutes a link and what doesn't?
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What should I be linking to?
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How do I do that?
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I have a whole list of stories of things I wanna write,
01:00:06
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There's a question of, are those 300 word stories?
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Are those a thousand word stories?
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How do I balance out the topics?
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What are people interested in reading?
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A big one for me, and I'm gonna write about this
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because it's a big one for me is finding links in RSS.
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Because doing this job on my own,
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I need to be tied in with lots of sites
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that have interesting things that I might wanna link to.
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And I don't use RSS.
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this is a problem.
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Most of the links I get are from Twitter
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and I actually posted a couple of links today,
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both of which came from Twitter,
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but I realized that I probably need to do
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some more curation directly within RSS.
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And I kind of declared,
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I didn't even declare RSS bankruptcy,
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I like foreclosed on RSS
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and they knocked over the house
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and there's just an empty lot there now.
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And now I'm saying, all right,
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maybe I actually need to put in some effort
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to curate those sources for links
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so that six callers can have some good interesting links
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and it's not just literally me posting links
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that I read on Daring Fireball
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'cause that would be a really crappy site
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because during, not because those links are bad
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but because there's already a site that does that.
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So that's something I'm grappling with
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is trying to figure out
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and I'm gonna write about it eventually.
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There's the different feed providers
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and they're the different clients
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and I'm literally a babe in the woods.
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You know, net news wire three was sort of my end
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with RSS, so things are different now,
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and I'm gonna have to figure that one out.
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So that's something I'm grappling with,
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is I had people who collected links for me before, sort of,
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and that's sort of my job now,
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and I need to figure out a strategy there.
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- Do you wanna know something quite interesting?
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That this is actually, I think this is actually
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extremely ironic.
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So I gave up on RSS about maybe six months ago,
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I just couldn't do it anymore.
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I didn't want to, I subscribed to way too many feeds
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and it's getting too much.
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Then we started doing this show
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and sort of thinking about what my role is on this show
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and finding the things that we talk about.
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I thought, I can't miss any of Jason's articles.
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I can't miss them, I have to see them because--
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This is true of everybody.
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- But especially if you.
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- But especially, I figure one of my key jobs
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is to read the stuff that you post
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because that will form a lot of what we talk about
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on this show. - Sure.
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- So I've started using RSS again because of you.
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- Oh, well see, I'm right there with you.
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I'm right there with you, it's a challenge.
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- I've subscribed to like 15 maximum feeds.
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I don't think it's that many.
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And like, I'm also finding it better.
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I'm pleased I've done it because it's helping me
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the other shows as well so like I'm read I'm making sure that now I read
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everything that Federico writes and everything that Steven writes because I
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just followed their accounts on Twitter like right for their sites but I would
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miss things or I would just scan through them but now I'm actively reading them
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all and when I was away last week I used instapaper to send a bunch of
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articles to my Kindle and I was reading I read Federico's fantastic iOS 8 review
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on the Kindle. I'm quite happy with the decision.
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All right, good, good. Well that's something I'm
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working toward now. That's actually one of those workflow things, is I
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need to make time to read and find ways to find interesting things
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to read so that I know what people are
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talking about and thinking about and that that can inform me and that's part
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of my challenge too. Just
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Just having building up that ways to collect that stuff.
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- Any high points from the week?
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Anything specific that jumps out to you as like a big check?
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- Well, as somebody who's started a new website,
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getting, like I said, having Nile post that article
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on the verge after I launched six colors
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with a prominent link in an editor's note
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at the top of it to six colors
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and seeing that drive traffic was great
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because you've got to start, you know,
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it doesn't matter if people know you,
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a new domain with nothing on it is nobody goes there.
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It's zero, it starts with zero traffic
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and it is hard to build an audience for something new.
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And so that was great.
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And then John Gruber late in the week linked to me
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from "Daring Fireball" and that was fantastic.
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And again, you know, you start from zero,
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any exposure you can get where people can say,
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"Oh, this exists."
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And then maybe I wanna read that is a huge deal
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because you are, no matter who you are
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and where you come from, that site that you launch
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starts with zero traffic and zero page rank on Google.
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And nobody knows the name and nobody knows anything
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about it existing and it's in no bookmarks
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and it's in no RSS readers.
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So getting people to link,
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oh, also I should mention Techmeme.
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My notes story about the review I wrote for Macworld
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got linked on Techmeme on the day that the site launched.
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So the site had been up for about an hour
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and I was on Techmeme's front page
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with Jason Snell, six colors.
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And I don't know if it was that Gabe Rivera
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or somebody else at Techmeme,
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I don't know how that happened,
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but that was also awesome because really at this point,
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I'm trying to find an audience and remind people
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who might know me from somewhere else
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that this is what I'm doing now
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and just get in people's feed readers
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on their bookmarks and in their Twitter feeds. So those were all huge. For the first week,
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I'd say those were the high points is people with great audiences linking to me and saying
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this thing exists now. Were you worried? Like, you know, and I don't mean this in like a jokey way,
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but you are still Jason Snow.
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Yes, as ever.
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You know, and like so that does, it does help, right?
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Been that way for a while now, like 43 years or so, yeah.
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Well, did you have concern? You know, did you think...
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I love the past tense of this, I have concern, I have ongoing concern.
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Okay, that people wouldn't find you or that
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the site wouldn't go, you know, it's...
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I've seen it, I've seen this happen before where, you know,
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just because, uh, it's just, it's easy to lose track of people and, and starting
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websites, having started some websites for IDG, starting websites is hard.
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People don't know they exist. I still have people, there was a guy on
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Twitter yesterday who, who said, "I didn't realize that you were doing all these
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other, other podcasts at The Incomparable. I
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thought you were just doing the incomparable. It's like, I don't know how many different ways I could
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have communicated that, and yet he just completely missed it until yesterday. And so, you know,
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you can lay your plans and publicize and all of those things, but the fact is, any transition,
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you're going to lose people and potentially a lot of people. So you've got to try to be as diligent
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as possible to communicate that. And, you know, honestly, it would have been much easier on me
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if I could have gone to XOXO after the layoff and not worked on an iPhone
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review there and then come home afterward not having worked on an iPhone
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review or launched a website and taken some time to deal with some of my
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burnout of my couple years at IDG that have been the rougher years and to spend
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some more time with my family and to read some books and to just decompress a
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little bit and I didn't do that and in fact I was home from XOXO for a good two
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hours and I'd launched a brand new website and why did I do that? I did that
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because of the timing because the iPhone release, the fact I had the iPhones in
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advance, we were doing our podcast, all of these things lined up. It was an
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opportunity for me to expose the new stuff I was doing to an audience that
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was going to be paying attention at that moment and if I let that moment go I
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I might never get that audience again.
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And so I had to do it.
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So I did it and it might not be what I would have chosen,
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but given the cards I was dealt,
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I think it was the thing I needed to do
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because you risk just being lost in the shuffle.
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There are a lot of voices out there
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and momentum and inertia is a powerful force.
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It's just like, I've been reading these sites,
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I'll continue to read these sites.
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And so to make some noise and I've been very happy,
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people said very nice things and people have linked to me and that's actually been amazing.
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I'm really grateful that people have been so nice.
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But I felt like I needed to take those steps and not just take a break and not do anything
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for a few weeks because the timing was too good and I, you know, I risked giving away
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that audience and maybe never finding it again.
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What's it been like working without an editor?
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I'm assuming that you, well you mentioned it actually, that you worked with editors
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when you wrote pieces at Macworld. I'm assuming you don't have an editor now, it's just you?
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It's just me. Well, we all have an editor, it's the internet, and many of us have Chris
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Pepper as an editor. If you don't know Chris Pepper, he's a guy, I've had pizza with him
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in New York, he is an obsessive reader of tech stuff, he saves it all to Instapaper
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and reads it, and then he finds mistakes and emails them to you, which we refer to as getting
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- And I was, oh, everybody who works at Macworld,
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everybody who works at Tidbits, Chris gets around,
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but I got peppered on my first day at Six Colors,
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and that was, I was honored to be peppered.
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And I do read, you know, I spell check everything,
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and I read everything in preview, and then you post it,
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and then there are things that are wrong,
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and you have to change them.
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And that's different, 'cause I did like running,
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doing a sanity check on articles at Macworld
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where it was literally like, here's a preview URL,
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can you give this a read before I push it live?
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And I don't have that now.
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So I'm trying to spend a little more time with it,
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but they're gonna be errors because I'm just a guy.
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I always send IMs to Gruber when he posts things
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where there's a, if I see a mistake
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or he's got a bad markdown link or something,
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I'll just send him an IM saying,
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I noticed this and he fixes it and says, thanks.
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And it doesn't happen that often, but it happens.
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It happens to all of us.
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So it's different and I'm trying to pay,
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I'm adding cycles to it.
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It used to be, I just paste it in and say,
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hey, somebody look at this.
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And now I paste it in and then I read it in the editor
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and then I preview it and I read it in the web browser
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and then I post it.
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And then there's an amazing thing that happens,
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which is as soon as the story is live,
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even though you were previewing it in the template
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all along, as soon as it's live,
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then you see all the mistakes, as soon as it's live.
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So that's been different.
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But it's fine, it's fine.
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I've been pretty comfortable writing stuff.
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I don't feel like my stuff needs a major overhaul
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or anything and I think people are seeing on six colors
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that this is what I sound like.
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And I've sounded like this for a while now.
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I just, I'm a pretty good speller, so.
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But there will be mistakes and that's gonna be weird.
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- Do you know if Chris Pepper is @repep on Twitter?
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- That's him.
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- Found him.
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- Repep or backward on Twitter.
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- Oh, yeah, of course it is.
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- Yeah, Repep.
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And that's, yes, he is the internet's copy editor.
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- How's the reception been, like in general?
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I'm assuming you've received lots of emails and stuff.
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- People have been very kind, I've received lots of emails.
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I got a lot of emails when I left Macworld,
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and then I got another batch with six colors
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where people said, "I'm glad you're doing this."
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So yeah, I felt bad about Macworld,
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I like reading your stuff, I'm looking forward to it.
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And it's all very kind and I hope I can live up
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to their expectations for me.
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But it's all been very nice.
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I have not yet had my first negative interaction
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where somebody says something absolutely awful
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about something I've written or calls me a name
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or says something about, I had that for my temporary site,
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for the Snell world, just my announcement,
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that somebody was a jerk about that site.
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But it's coming and then I'll know I've truly,
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well and truly made it when somebody's a jerk about something that I've written.
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But it hasn't happened yet. People have been very nice.
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Ironically, it was a guy who said, "Well, no wonder Macworld went out of business when
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Jason Snell's personal site isn't responsive and doesn't load properly on an iPhone."
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And that was great because, one, oh, if I had any control over what the Macworld website
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looked like or any influence over it whatsoever when there was a large technical organization
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running it and I yeah not not not my not my part of the business all I could do
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was try to encourage them but I was very limited and then the real irony is that
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the reason that snow world calm wasn't responsive is because I was busy
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building all the six color stuff to be responsive and I didn't backport it to
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snow world because I was busy building my new thing and hadn't thought about
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the fact that I needed to move the CSS back because it's on the same templates
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basically and so then that guy was a jerk and I told him he was a jerk and
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then I made it responsive. So yeah, thanks jerk. In his face, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, but the
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connection was just being... that was why he was a jerk. It's not that he was wrong
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that the site should have been better on the iPhone. He was wrong because
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he was making lots of connections that are not accurate to make a jerky point
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and be insulting. So you know that's why he was a jerk. But he was right that
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the site should have been responsive and like five minutes later it was. You bought
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the correct URL this week. So yes, six colors is spelled out and and somebody
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was asking in the chat room if I if I looked at the numeral six colors and I
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did it I think it cost like 1,500 bucks so I haven't bought it but I did buy six
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colors with color spelled with a U dot com. I didn't buy sixcolors.co.uk or anything like
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that but I did buy S-I-X-C-O-L-O-U-R-S dot com and it redirects to the correct spelling
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without the U. I have hopes in the future of creating a site that dynamically loads
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the existing Six Colors site and replaces all of the words with Britishisms and I'll
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let you know if that happens.
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I can't even...
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I'm sure that... There may be flags and pictures of the queen and things put in
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there too at that point.
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Right now it just redirects to the regular six color site.
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I did it for you, Myke.
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You know, I was thinking about just buying you the domain.
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Starting like a kick star or something and getting you the domain.
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So thank you so much
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basically because
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I feel like it was done for me because I kept typing the URL incorrectly.
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That was a big thing.
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I guess I'm going to say it was good for you too.
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Because it means that people that are in--
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People bookmark things.
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I don't think people type out URLs very often,
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but that seemed like a natural.
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And if I could buy the numeral six domains cheaply,
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I would probably do that too.
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But last time I checked, I think they were really pricey,
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and I didn't think it was worth the money.
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sixcolors.com wasn't that expensive with the U.
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And so, so yeah, there it is.
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Rule Britannia, USA, USA.
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We are all, we're all coming together.
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- And you're really gunning for me now
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with this podcast stuff.
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You have another one.
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- There are lots of podcasts out there
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and I'm not the only person who is on lots of podcasts.
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I'm somebody who's on lots of podcasts,
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but so were you and there are others, but yeah,
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I, one of the things I wanted to do
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when I made this decision to leave was do some dust some things off that were
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podcasts that I wanted to do and didn't have the time and so one of those was to
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do a tech podcast and that's this one and one of those was I know that the guy
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who's the chief TV critic at The Hollywood Reporter and he's really good
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on podcasts but he's not technically adept enough to do the produce the
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podcast himself he needs somebody to help him with that and that's Tim Goodman
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and so we're now doing a TV podcast together we're like every Friday we're
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going to do a recording session and I'll edit it and post it and sort of like what you're
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doing with me. And that was on my list and it's really his show that I'm sort of the
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conductor of, sort of like how we work on this show. But I wanted to get his voice out
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there and now I've got the time to do that that I didn't really have when I was working
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during the day in San Francisco because his time was limited and my time was limited and
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we couldn't find common times. So yeah, I'm doing, you know, I'm still doing stuff on
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the incomparable and then I'm doing the two podcasts on Relay.
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That's about the end of my interview. What do you like to be known for?
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No, ask me later. Ask me later. It's too early. You already asked me that once this year.
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You don't get to ask me again for a while. It's pretty different for you now though.
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Yeah. Yeah. What do I like to be known for? I don't know. Am I known for anything? Known
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for writing things and podcasting that people like, hopefully. Known for the world domination
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of all podcasts. I swear I'm not going to be on every podcast ever. This was a very
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weird week. I've had people say, "You're on every podcast right now." Yes, but in the
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end I will only be on the podcast that I'm on and not like every other podcast.
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That goes in cycles for people though. Like when Overcast came out, Marco was on every
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podcast you know people have specific news right and that brings them to
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podcasts and it also makes people more inclined to want to be on them well and
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I want I do want people to also think of me and visit my site so I'm doing a
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little bit it's a little bit like a book tour in that way I am talking to Leo
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Laporte about being on his shows a little more often because I have the
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time now and it's a half an hour drive there at Twit Studios or half an hour
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for my house. So I'm hopefully going to be on Twit and MacBreak Weekly a little more often.
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But yeah, this is what I'm doing is, some people were like, "Oh, so now you're going to just do
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podcasts," or, "So now you're just going to do writing." And neither of those is accurate. My
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goal right now, and again, this may change, my goal is to do tech writing and tech podcasting
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and pop culture podcasting as all of those things,
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as those are the things I do.
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And from that, hopefully fashion some sort of a career
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that allows me to pay my mortgage payment
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and feed my kids and stuff like that.
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And we'll see how it goes.
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- There was a very brief moment there
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where I thought you were saying
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you wanted to do fashion writing?
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- He was like, and fashion.
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- And fashion. - A career.
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- A career, yes. - I was like, oh, okay.
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- And fashion. - We're going down
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that route now.
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going to do fashion writing, I'm going to do fashion designing, and you can just stay
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tuned for my fall collection. I'll give you a hint though, how many colors do you think
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will be in the collection?
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Yes, infrared is one of the colors. Anyway, yeah, so that's my ideas, you know, podcasts,
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videos, writing, see what, this is the 21st century, you know, media is a different world
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now and if I can find a way to make this all work, you know, we've talked about it before,
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You know, your goal is to do this as your job.
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And that's sort of been my goal, and I'm already at the point where I don't have that other
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job, and that was sort of not my...
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It was my direction, but ultimately the date and day of it were not my decision, but I
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And so I'm on that side now of trying to make it work, and we'll see what happens.
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6colors.com for all of Jason's fantastic writing all throughout the week and the weekends too
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maybe sometimes. Weekends too? Do you work weekends now?
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Well I'm still trying to figure, I'm trying to have some life work balance but I've been
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putting some links up on the weekend of various things. I should mention also our theme song
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is brought to you by the lovely and talented podcast composer extraordinaire Mr. Christopher
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Breen. So thank you to Chris for doing the theme song.
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I love the flavor of the incomparable in there. I can feel it. It's good.
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It's that Breen magic that comes with podcast themes from Breen. Yeah.
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Themes from Breen.
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Yep, the Breen Themes. Coming soon to iTunes, Breen Themes.
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We'll be back next week. Thank you so much for listening. Bye bye.
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Bye everybody.
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