6: The Enemy Discount
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Hello and welcome to episode 6 of Upgrade on Relay FM.
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This episode of Upgrade is brought to you by our friends at SMILE with TextExpander
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where you can type more with less effort and Hover, simplified domain management.
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My name is Myke Hurley and I am joined as always by the magnificent Mr. Jason Snell.
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Hi Myke, how's it going?
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- I'm very well, sir, how are you?
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- I am fascinated by the idea
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that some of our sponsors are our friends
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and some of them you didn't call them our friends.
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And I'm waiting for the first sponsor who is our enemy.
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- They're all our friends.
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- No, but wouldn't it be great
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if one of our enemies sponsored us just to infiltrate us,
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brought to you by our enemies at Microsoft
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and just roll with it.
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I just, it's a dream I have one day
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to be sponsored by an enemy.
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'Cause that's when you really got them,
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when the enemies have to sponsor you.
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- Well, I'll get working on that.
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- All right.
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- If any of our enemies would like to sponsor us,
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you can go to relay.fm/sponsor
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and just put enemy in the subject line
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of the email that you sent.
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- It will give you the enemy discount,
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which is a higher rate.
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Oh, I like that.
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- I am calling to you from the future.
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- Hello, future man.
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- Here in the future, we have Retina IMAX
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and we pay for things with our phones.
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- Big show today.
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- Yeah, yeah, there's a lot going on.
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It's a big day today, busy day today, crazy.
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- Yeah, very busy.
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- I'm using Yosemite and it's making me really upset.
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- Maybe we can talk about that a little later.
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- Yeah, maybe so.
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I've been using it for a while now
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and there was a period in there in the betas
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where I was unable to do most things relating to audio,
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which is a problem for, you know, podcasting.
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But it's been pretty good lately.
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That was when I ended up using that DeMarco method
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that I wrote about where I ended up doing all my live streaming from an external box
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via my iPad because...
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Oh, that was why! I thought you were just being fancy.
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Yeah, I didn't want to throw a beta of Yosemite under the bus, but Nicecast stopped working
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for a while. It was weird and choppy and all of that, and so I just gave up. And, you know,
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eliminating software from the equation, or at least your Mac software, can be good for
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things involving audio sometimes. But I've been using Yosemite fine lately.
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The machine that I'm currently talking to you on is still running Snow Leopard.
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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
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We had one of those at IDG for a long time that was, I think, I mean I assume it's still
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there, it still had a Snow Leopard on a partition.
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There were certain things in sound related that we could not do if we went to even Lion.
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I'm just scared.
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No I'm on Lion, sorry I'm on Lion.
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What's wrong with you then?
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I'm only on Lion because of Logic Pro X, otherwise I'd still be on like Leopard or
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something. I just don't like to touch this machine in any way where I don't have to.
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Yeah well I get it. That's why so many things at XOXO somebody recommended an audio plugin
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for a voice from oh I can't remember the name now. The name of the plugins Renaissance Vox.
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It's from what's the name of the company? Waves I think. And you know you can download
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a demo, but not if you're running Yosemite, because they're one of those companies that
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like they'll qualify all of their products for the new OS like by the time the next OS
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comes out because they're careful and I, you know, it annoys those of us on the on the
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cutting edge. But, you know, I understand why they're careful about that stuff.
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Do we have some follow up?
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Myke, of course we have. The day I know I don't want to say that I was gonna say the
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The day we don't have follow-up is the day that this show ends.
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You just make it up.
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But I would, indeed, I would say, "Let me follow up with people who are emailing me
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about other unrelated things.
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Let's just read some emails that I got."
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Like, "Jason, you may have already won."
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Oh, Target sent me some vouchers today.
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That's good.
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Yeah, there's a house down the block that's for sale.
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We could go look at it on Sunday.
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So we talked last week about jet lag a little bit.
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And listener Manuel wrote in to say
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that he uses the exact same technique that I mentioned,
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which is, you know, whenever you get to your destination,
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you stay up until it's nighttime.
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I stay as late as you can until you reach,
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ideally you reach bedtime in wherever you are,
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or at least as close to it as you can manage
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before you pass out.
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And he said, it works great.
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But then he goes on to say,
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I'm afraid it might change when I get older.
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did you handle jet lag better before?
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Better before, before what Manuel?
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Before I became an old man of 44 years old?
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Yes, let me tell you back in the day,
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are you calling me old Manuel?
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Is that what you're insinuating here?
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- When I was 25, we didn't have planes.
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- Well, to be honest, when I was in my 20s,
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I didn't travel anywhere requiring
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any notable amount of jet lag.
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I didn't leave the continent of North America,
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guess Hawaii accepted until I was just about to turn 30. So I can't tell you how amazing
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a jet lag fighter I was. I haven't noticed any difference. I feel like this isn't something
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that's related to age but you know maybe old people, truly ancient old wizened people have
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problems with jet lag. I don't know. I'm not one of those. That's what I'm saying. Or maybe
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Maybe you only just get 25 years of your life in which you can experience jet lag.
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Interesting.
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So you have until you're 55 and then you can't fly anymore.
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That's possible.
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Or you can fly but you have to book an extra day to just process your jet lag before you
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can move about, go about your business.
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I don't know.
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When we went, on my first international trip my wife and I went to your place, to the UK,
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And I remember we flew overnight and we got into Heathrow at like 6am and it's really
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hard to do the stay up until night when you haven't slept all day and now it's daytime
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again and it's the start of it.
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And I remember we took the bus from London to Bath and we started in Bath and the whole
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I just have memories of all of those towns that are between London and Bath just through
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the haze of like falling asleep and then waking up and falling just nodding off.
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Oh that horrible like head full sound.
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And I passed out and woke up and we were in Swindon and I went okay and then I passed
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It's a long bus ride.
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It is but it was good because the idea there is you start outside of London and you wrap
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up in London and then you're not jet lagged anymore when you're back in the city and can
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take advantage of being in London which I actually thought was a really good strategy.
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There's a guy, Rick Steves, who writes travel books for Americans to go to Europe and that
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was his recommendation and we basically followed his like 10 day UK trip plan and it worked
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pretty well and that was our first big international trip that we took together. But yeah we did
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I think we slept for an hour like in the middle of the day just because we were going to pass
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out and then after that even though we were kind of loopy we stayed awake until night
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time and I don't know but we were only you know 29 and 28 at that point Manuel so is
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that old? You tell me. I don't know.
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The best tour of England in 14 days by Rick Steves.
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There's a picture of Bath right on the top.
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There's good, I mean we did, I think ours was 10, but we went to the Cotswolds and the
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Lake District and York and Yorkshire and Edinburgh, all the way up to Edinburgh and then took
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the train back to London and spent three days in London.
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It was pretty awesome.
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You got a nice country there Myke.
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Yeah we're pretty lucky.
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And it's still together, hooray!
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Yeah, that's right.
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I didn't need a passport check going into Edinburgh and you still don't.
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Lister Thomas by the way, also he is of the opinion that it's coming home is always easier.
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And I suppose that's true in some way.
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I'm not sure I buy it jet lag wise.
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I think flying west is generally better than flying east.
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And when I've gone to Hawaii I have not felt the jet lag going to Hawaii and coming home
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from Hawaii I have felt the jet lag.
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So I'm kind of buying the it's easier to go west than east.
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Yeah I disagree with Thomas as well. It's always easier for me to go to the States than
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to come home.
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Yeah, see? There you go. We solved it. Sorry Thomas.
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Welcome to Jetlag Talk with Jason.
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I know. I feel like the first five minutes of every episode is going to be some other
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podcast that just dropped in that we are going to do one episode of and then it's only five
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minutes long and then we're done.
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This is how we serve the verticals, Jason.
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Yeah that's right. It's the vertical podcast. We should have called it that. It's just five
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minutes of obscurity followed by five minutes of a completely different kind of obscurity
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followed by follow-up. So last week also we talked we had a little pre-show bit which
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was literally our pre-show conversation that you stuck in which was great where we were
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talking about ringtones and alarm clocks and using podcast theme songs as alarm tones and
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your feelings about that sound that wakes you up at five in the morning and I played
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xylophone which is the sound that somebody pointed out is actually a marimba not a xylophone
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which may actually be true but it's called xylophone whatever instrument demon instrument
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Don't they have a marimba?
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There is a marimba called marimba.
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So maybe they just said marimba one and marimba two.
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Exactly and so they felt it was xylophone even if it wasn't a xylophone.
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Anyway the point is I'm not the only one who uses xylophone as their alarm sound and I
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I heard from several people who heard me play xylophone on the pre-show last week and freaked
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out because like me, that is a bad sound.
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And then some other people shared other awful sounds that basically I think our thesis was
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proven correct which is that noise you use to wake yourself up, you grow to hate that
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noise and so don't put anything you like in that as your alarm clock sound.
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So that was "We Learned Something." Listener Patrick wrote in following up about what we
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were talking about a few weeks ago about streaming services and how Netflix tends to have TV
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shows and movies just vanish one day. And we said that that didn't really happen so
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much with music. This is probably the exception that proves the rule, but he said that there's
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a well-known rapper in Germany who removed all of his albums from streaming services
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one day as some sort of a protest about the
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probably the economics of streaming services so it can happen like I said I
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less common but it can happen that even your favorite music can disappear
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from your services. This was a popular rapper, not David Hasselhoff by the way.
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Talking about music and streaming services, interesting fact that came out today.
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In the US there's only been one album that has sold over one million copies this year
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and that's Disney's Frozen soundtrack. So potentially this year no artist will go platinum.
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It's definitely streaming services that's causing that in my opinion.
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I think you're right.
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It's a pretty interesting fact though, right? 2014 could be the year of the last platinum
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Could be. Well, I mean U2 doesn't count because they cheated.
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And they wouldn't have got it.
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Well no, because Apple bought a billion copies to give away, right?
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But they're not allowed to do that.
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While we were talking about streaming, we also talked about Netflix and being spoiled.
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Both of us talked about being spoiled about House of Cards, and listener Brian wrote in
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with a link to where he got spoiled, which was ironically enough.
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Netflix has a funny little site that people should check out if they want a little chuckle,
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which is Spoilers.Netflix.com, which is like an interactive quiz about are you a terrible
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person who spoils things and apparently it will also spoil you about things. So thanks
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Brian for sending that in. That made me laugh. Listener Kyle, Kyle the Grey and listener
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Like a superhero team.
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Kyle the Grey and Joe Steele. Oh yeah, you can't. When their powers merge and they form
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gray steel which is like a giant robot and it's steel always gray? It might be kind of
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a redundant name but it doesn't matter. Gray steel, amazing superhero, occasionally Kyle
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the Grey and Joe Steele. Anyway, superhero talk with Jason and Myke, here we are. Imaginary
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superheroes we've known. Anyway, they both just send in some nice feedback when we were
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talking about conferences and WWDC and Singleton and OOL, just about how much they, even though
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I know Kyle described himself as totally not an app developer, but still love going to
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WWDC because they meant so many people.
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Joe said, "I think we're groupies to that."
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And I would say that what you call that is a community.
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This is the sign that there is a real community with real people who like to meet each other
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and talk and have a good time.
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And I think that's a really healthy thing that people have an emotional attachment to
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this community and want to be a part of it. And when things like Mac World Expo are going
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away these little conferences and WWDC, even if you're not a practicing programming developer,
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are places for community. And so I thought that was really good feedback. And it's totally
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true. I mean, when you and I both go to WWDC, we see so many people there. It's just an
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amazing experience.
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Yeah. Yeah. Even if you don't sit in a room in Moscone and learn about the latest APIs,
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that's kind of, for people like us, it's kind of beside the point.
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Never written a line of code, not one. Nope. I've got some terrible Apple script.
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I don't think that counts. And basic. 10 print hello 20 go to 10. I was really good at that.
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At least you've done some web stuff. Mm-hmm. That's true. I wouldn't call that programming
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know nobody knows yeah that's just web pages isn't programming it's just web pages.
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Well that will be for next week's show.
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Well no I mean like JavaScript is programming if you use JavaScript in your in your in your
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web pages it's scripting or programming I would say but I'm terrible at JavaScript but
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like HTML and CSS I don't know that's something that feels different to me.
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Listener Oz I wanted to say great name had a suggestion following up on our successful
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hunt for a euphemism for the thing that you say to she who shall not be named to activate
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her, suggested that we go, somebody should go into an Apple store and then shout "Ahoy
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telephone!" or perhaps, that's the code, shout the actual thing and see what happens.
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So you pranksters, yeah don't shout "Ahoy telephone!" people will, you'll be ushered
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out if that happens, but if you shout the thing that we're using "Ahoy telephone" as
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code for, what will happen? Has Apple shut that feature off or will a million iPhones
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and iPads appear and start talking to you? They are all plugged in. Right, but they may
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have that Ahoy telephone feature turned off. Lots of people do lots of really weird things
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in Apple stores anyway, like all the dancing videos and such. That's true, they may be
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used to it. It's just another viral video. Somebody shouting ahoy telephone. Whatever.
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Waiting to happen. Yeah. And that's all the follow up, Myke.
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Right, let's take a moment to talk about our friends, Jason.
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Ah, good. Our friends at Hover.
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I was really kind of going for it with the iPad Mega.
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- What is the iPad Mega, Myke?
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- It was when I was giving the codes to Hover
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for this week's shows last week.
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It was in my hope that there would be a bigger iPad
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as an interesting thing to talk about
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and I went with iPad Mega, but no.
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Alas, iPad Mega we did not receive.
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So Apple Event.
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- Yeah, how long ago was that now?
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It feels like forever ago.
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It was like five days ago.
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- That is basically forever.
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- Four days ago maybe.
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I don't know.
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Yeah, Apple Event, I was there.
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It felt like I was in the afterlife.
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- Yeah, 'cause it's like a new beginnings for Jason Snell.
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- I went to the last one knowing it was my last event
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for Mac world and it was all like, drink it in.
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I'm gonna, you know, am I gonna see any of these people again?
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I thought, yeah, maybe, but you never know.
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And I was like, all right, I'm gonna just appreciate this.
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This is the last one.
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And honestly, for the last year,
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every time I go to one of these, I've been thinking,
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is this the last one?
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Because I've been thinking of leaving.
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And, but I knew that last one.
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So now I'm at, a month later, I'm at another Apple event
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and it's not all the same people
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'cause it's a much smaller group,
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but it's like, you know, the usual suspects are all there
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and I'm there.
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And that was weird because it did,
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it felt a little bit like all these changes have happened
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in my life and now I'm here with these people again,
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but I have this new role and I'm with my own thing.
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And like I said, somebody at Apple referred to me
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a few weeks ago in an email as like a independent
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thought leader or an independent media something.
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I was like, okay, is that what I am now?
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What's my role?
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So-- - Thanks for defining me.
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- And I always used to pick up Dan Morin at the BART station
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on my way down to Cupertino and we'd ride down together
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'cause he'd stay in a hotel down in San Francisco
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and you know, Dan wasn't out, he was watching.
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So first Apple event he's missed since the iPhone launch,
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the original iPhone launch, which he missed
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'cause we made him go to CES instead.
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Poor guy, poor guy.
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I know, I'm surprised he doesn't hate me for that.
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He's got other reasons I suppose to hate me
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but that would be enough.
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That would be sufficient. - That would be high up.
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And so he wasn't out.
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But at Singleton, I was talking to Gruber.
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And he said, you know, you're not--
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basically, it was like, you're not
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going through downtown on your way to Cupertino or something.
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Because he stays downtown at a hotel in downtown San Francisco.
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And I said, well, I always had Dan just pop over on the BART.
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It's like a 10-minute ride on the train.
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And then I pick him up.
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And so I was--
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in addition to being an independent thought leader
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or whatever I am, I am also John Gruber's driver.
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- Well, so now you've gone from, you know,
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picking up your colleague to like to picking up,
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you know, just like your industry buddy.
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- Yeah, yeah.
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No, it was fun and it was a good conversation.
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We started, it was very much like an episode of the talk show
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we started talking about baseball
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and then we moved on to Apple analysis.
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And at several points, I thought to myself,
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it's really a shame that we're not recording this
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'cause this is a podcast happening
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or two halves of a podcast happening to and from,
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'cause I drove him back in that car.
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But yeah, so-
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- Podcasts using cars going to Apple events.
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- Yeah, so it was so much like it used to be
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at these events, except it was different.
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You know, the people were a little different
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and Dan Frakes was there
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and we almost never sent him from Macworld.
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And yet now leaving Macworld,
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he finally gets to go to an Apple event.
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And so I got to see him and I got to see my usual,
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you know, people and Susie from Macworld was there.
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So I got to say hi to her and give her a high five
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'cause she's working really hard
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to keep Mac World up and running.
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And yeah, it was, so it was weird.
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It was weird being there.
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And then, you know, it wasn't the usual thing
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'cause we went through R&D one,
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which is the main entrance right next to the company store,
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the main entrance, which is not where you usually go
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for these town hall events.
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In the past, you would drive around
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the backside of the loop, park behind the whole,
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loop structure and then walk over to R&D, I don't know, 4?
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And that's where the town hall is and they basically check you in right there
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and there'd be this little narrow room that you would hang out in and maybe there was some like
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coffee on the side or something and then later they had like an upstairs that was still crowded
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but they had some food up there and they didn't do that this time. This time they had us go through the main entrance
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It's like the third time I've ever been through the main doors at R&D, you know at one infinite loop
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So that was kind of cool. And then they had like Apple, I think they were retail people,
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stationed the entire walkway through the center of the campus leading over to the cafeteria
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and to where the town hall is. Like, you know, essentially as security, they were helpful
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people who were there so that you didn't like run off course and go somewhere else at Apple
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that you weren't supposed to be at. But they were with a smile. And so they did, we walked
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through the center of campus and then over to this little corner behind the building
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where the town hall area is and that was our waiting area. So it was really nice. You can
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tell that with Katie Cotton having left that whoever is doing -- because events were her
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bag -- and with her gone, whoever's doing the events now is rethinking everything they
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do even down to the -- I realize this is inside baseball -- but like where the journalists
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and VIPs come in and where you put them before you load up the building. Once we got in there,
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it was town hall, it was the usual tiny, crowded, really small space kind of thing, but it's
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fascinating to see just even for little stuff like that, that it's just not the same as
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it was a year ago and it had been that same playbook for years before that.
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Do you find it a better experience now?
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Well, I mean, they're taking better care of us. I don't know if anybody else cares about
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that, but the fact that they're using their own catering to feed us beforehand and stuff,
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and instead of us just sort of standing in a huddle for an hour waiting to go in, it
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was a little more conversational. But the actual event, they redid Town Hall, I think,
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to increase the capacity, and also they put power at every seat, but the result is that
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like a really crowded college lecture hall or something, and it's really cramped. So
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it's not really that comfortable. There's very little leg room. It's a tight fit. But
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you know, again, we're at an Apple event. It's not really about us. That's all inside
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baseball stuff. But they've made changes. It's interesting.
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This was a grab bag, too. I mean, to talk about the actual event, this was a grab bag.
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When they sent out those invitations that said, "It's been too long," I think in hindsight
00:25:18
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we can very clearly say they're just making a joke about how they did a big event a month
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ago and it's literally like here's what was left over.
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Let's get this all, we got a bunch of other stuff.
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Even the intro at the beginning of the event was like Tim Cook saying, "Hey, we got a bunch
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of stuff that we want to get out before the end of the year."
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So here it is.
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I find it interesting that they used the coloured logo, like the thin-lined coloured logo.
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Yeah, who knows? They're doing all sorts of crazy stuff. I don't know. It's interesting.
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I was happy to be there, quite honestly. Number one in my mind was, "I'm glad I got invited
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to this." I kind of expected that I would not if I had to pick, but I was very happy
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to be asked to go. Then Jon got a ride.
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How was it like live blogging?
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You went with Twitter in the end, right?
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Yeah, we did Twitter.
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We talked about that last week, what we were going to do, and I decided rather than go
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with the weird kind of open source, free, hosted, we don't know how they make their
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money kind of platform, which could also have gotten crashed immediately or does it do weird
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things, insert ads, I don't know.
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We just decided to do a Twitter embed, so we put a Twitter embed on the Six Colors website
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and then I created an account that's at Six Colors event
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and then Dan Morin and I tweeted from there during the event
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me in the building and Dan doing some jokes
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and color commentary and things from his place
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back in Massachusetts and it worked fine.
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- I enjoyed it a lot actually.
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I thought it was quite funny,
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especially when you two were arguing.
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About things, I enjoyed it, it was funny.
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- Yeah, it worked okay and I think the tweet length
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fine for that and we didn't want to, especially when it's already being live streamed, you're
00:27:16
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really at hitting the highlights and doing some commentary and not trying to provide
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a transcript of what everybody's about. You know, we were 30 seconds or a minute ahead,
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so it's like a transcript of what you're about to hear is sort of pointless. So it was, I
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was happy with it. I think we'll do it again like that. That was a compromise between doing
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the grouper thing of sitting there with your pencil and just pondering and doing the full
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out like crazy frantic typing. I mean I took some pictures too but again I didn't feel
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like the need to document every last thing that happened on stage. I just took some pictures
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for illustration and dragged them into the Twitter client and posted them and that was
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nice too. That worked out pretty well. And then I put, I saved those, I shared those
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out so our buddy Mr. Teachy used them on Mac Stories which was nice too.
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Oh, buddy teach.
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Federico Viticci, I'll just say that, and I also want to apologize to Federico for my
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terrible impression of him on the last show.
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It was terrible.
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I apologize to all of Italy, but it was a much better impression if you could see my
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hand gestures.
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Those were good.
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A lot of people said that the event was boring.
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What was your impression being there?
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It's a lot less boring when you're frantically typing and taking pictures and uploading them
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and things. It's a lot less boring than... It's really hard. It's just like people talk
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about the little finger thing with Tim and Bono. We didn't even see that. We were in
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the back row. There were people standing up in front of us. So your perspective when you're
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there versus watching it as a show on your computer or on your TV or something is totally
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different. So covering it, I get it because the first half hour, I mean Dan and I both
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said this in the live blog, the first half hour was like things that everybody already
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And literally, if you follow this stuff closely, that part was totally boring, because Apple
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was doing that because Apple wanted to set the stage.
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Something I learned writing about OS X actually over the years is that we would write these
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stories about OS X when it was announced at WWDC and it would be like, "Everything you
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need to know about OS X 10.3 or whatever."
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And then months would pass and the OS would be about ready to come out and you'd think
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"Boy, this is all old news" and people would be like "Hey, there's a new version of OS
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10, what should I know about it?"
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Like literally there is the universe of people who care so much that they knew it the moment
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that it was announced at WWDC.
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And then there's this whole other universe of people who don't care until it pops up
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on their computer saying there's an update to Yosemite.
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At that moment they're like, "Oh, Yosemite, what is this?
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Tell me more."
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I feel like that 30 minutes of this Apple event, it was for those people and for the
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press who reached those people.
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It's for the more casual users of Apple products.
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You can't announce an OS in June, detail all of its features, and then when October comes
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around just release it and not say anything.
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We already said everything that there is to say about this, so here it is.
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You remember that thing from months ago?
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So you got to tell that story.
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But if the people already know the story, it's really boring.
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And that was the deal.
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It was like continuity.
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We've seen that before.
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You know, Yosemite, we've seen that before.
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But they needed to do it because, or at least I understand why they feel the need to do
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it because not everybody is paying attention to what happened at WWDC.
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for those of us who were, yeah, it was a repeat.
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I mean, that's what Dan said, I think, in our Twitter thing,
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was, "I think this is a repeat."
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Like, I was waiting--
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- I've seen this one.
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- Yeah, is Steve Jobs in this one?
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I think I've seen this one before.
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And it was a little bit like that for the first,
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yeah, first half hour, 40 minutes, certainly,
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there was like no news at all.
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- It's tough to watch, but I get why they do it.
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This is their time where they are able to talk about
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all the things they want people in the world to know about.
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So if they've got some stuff that they wanna say
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about OS X or they just want to show OS X again, then show it. You know, you could tell
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that they were aware of that because they tried to make the whole thing humorous.
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Comedy, yeah, entertaining. I actually liked the extent, even though it was an extended
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comedy bit and I know people don't like that or some people don't like that, I actually
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thought the Colbert thing was fine, but what I liked about it was that it was trying to
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throw a whole lot of continuity context at you in a way where you almost like don't...
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it wasn't like, "and now I'm going to do this, see this feature, and now I'm going to do..."
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it felt a little more natural, it wasn't natural, but it felt like they did a whole bunch of
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They did a whole bunch of things that were all continuity without it being like, "let
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me list, let me show you the five things you can do with continuity."
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It was more like, here's a story where continuity is useful.
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And you know, yeah.
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I mean, so they tried to make it different
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and they tried to make it funny.
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And I liked the Colbert bits.
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I thought that was kind of amusing.
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And I like Apple poking fun at itself,
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the doubling down on secrecy jokes
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and the flying campus spaceship thing.
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That was, I thought that was fine
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because that is, you get away with a little bit more
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if you're poking fun at yourself,
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which is what they were doing.
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The Colbert bit was actually the bit that I found the least entertaining.
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I think that there might be an element of just like, "I don't really know much about
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So I think that there's a lot of carryover.
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I saw a lot of people say they felt like it was a very US-centric show too.
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These are jokes that make sense to all the Americans who work at Apple.
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if they're not Americans they're living in the US and maybe outside of the US it didn't
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play quite as well. Because Stephen Colbert is like, he's someone I know because people
00:33:24
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tweet about him. You know like if I can't watch anything from his show because comedy
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is he on Comedy Central or is it somebody else? Yeah he's on right after Jon Stewart
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although he's going to be David Letterman's replacement at CBS. Oh yes I remember that.
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Yeah like any links to the clips are just banned and it's like you should go to a different
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country!" and I was like "Mmm, okay, thank you."
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I was trying to tell you something, Myke. I think so. But I enjoyed the handshake video,
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I thought that was quite funny. It's an interesting move, it's very different. I
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can see why they do it. I think we just need a little bit more time for it
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to bed in and I think Apple need to get used to the amount of comedy that they
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want. I think that the WWDC presentation, Craig's WWDC presentation,
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I think that was just the right amount of comedy.
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I think there was maybe a little bit too much this time, but I can see why they did it because
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they know they had to reshoot all this stuff so let's turn it into a fun keynote presentation
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WWDC was like jokes in the presentation and this was like skits in the presentation.
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Let's stop the presentation to do a bit instead of Federici just having funny examples as
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he went through it which is more of what it was at WWDC.
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But I get it, I think this is all part of the same thing, which is this was a repeat,
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they knew it was a repeat, they tried to make it a little bit more palatable by coding it
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in zaniness.
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But yeah, it was a repeat.
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Until they got to the hardware, there was nothing new here.
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I mean a lot of that to be fair is pretty much a repeat as well.
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Yeah, well that's true, but at least there were tidbits there in a way that there were
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not with the...
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the, yeah well you know you get everything spoiled in advance and yeah I mean everybody,
00:35:17
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if you're watching a live Apple event waiting for that one moment of the thing that just
00:35:21
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didn't leak and was totally rumor free and it's going to blow your mind, I feel like
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you're never going to be satisfied because that's just not, that didn't happen anymore.
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You get it once every couple of years and we had ours last month, you know, the iWatch.
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Yeah, even then a lot of the details leaked, but there were a lot that didn't leak.
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But that's a rare occurrence for a brand new product.
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Or it's something that's a surprise, like when they did whatever that was, Mountain
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Lion, where it was just out of the blue and nobody realized it was going to happen.
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But that's so rare.
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Yeah, yeah, software's easier to do though, isn't it, I guess.
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Yeah, if it's inside Cupertino, they can keep a lid on it.
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AF Waller in the chat room pointing out Swift.
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I was sitting right next to Syracuse when they announced that.
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That was a beautiful thing.
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But yeah, if it's in Cupertino and doesn't require partners, bring in third party developers
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to try out this new thing.
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The more lockdown it is in Cupertino, the more likely it is to not leak, because they're
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pretty good about that stuff.
00:36:25
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Let's talk about the real darling of the show, the Mac Mini.
00:36:28
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Yes, they spent at least like 30 seconds on the Mac Mini.
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It got more time than the iPad mini.
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Almost as much time as the iPad mini 2, 3?
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That's just depressing.
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Mac mini got updated.
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Lots of people, it's been two years, people were really excited that Mac mini got updated.
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I saw it on the slide and it's like, "Hey, Mac mini also getting updated today with no
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information."
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I didn't expect information.
00:36:55
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about the Mac mini, you know, don't it getting its existence being acknowledged on stage
00:37:03
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in an Apple event is like, that's the checkbox. That's like, I can't believe they admitted
00:37:09
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that they make this thing because they're not going to talk about it proudly. That's
00:37:13
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never going to happen. Uh, just admit that it exists and give us an update. And so I
00:37:19
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was pretty excited, um, by the, that it got an update cause it's been two years and I
00:37:24
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was in marker for one. The fact that it wasn't just a quiet refresh, that's a good thing,
00:37:31
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at least. Yeah, then I found the specs out and I was not as excited anymore. Why? Well,
00:37:39
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a couple things. One, and listener Brian actually, this is not follow up quite, but listener
00:37:46
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feedback nonetheless, listener Brian pointed out that it's essentially the same process
00:37:50
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that's in that sad cheap iMac that they rolled out last year that's like the
00:37:53
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lowest of the low iMacs where Macworld did a bunch of testing about it and
00:37:58
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basically said you could buy this but why? It's like it's already it's already
00:38:04
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slow and for $150 more or something you could get one that's modern and instead
00:38:09
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it's this old processor. Well that's the bottom of the Mac mini line now and it's
00:38:12
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the same thing if you try to configure it it won't let you upgrade the
00:38:15
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processor you gotta go the $499 is like with that low low low priced iMac it's
00:38:21
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to get you in the door but it has no options like if you want I think you can
00:38:26
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upgrade the RAM but that's it if you want anything better you need to move up
00:38:31
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out of the $499 model to one of the higher-end models so that's that's kind
00:38:36
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of sad but the really super sad thing is that they used to make surprisingly
00:38:41
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high-end Mac Minis at the high end of the configuration tree you could do a
00:38:46
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quad-core processor and like like on the iMacs and you can't now. The Mac Mini is
00:38:52
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a dual core only machine and as somebody who is looking at getting a Mac Mini
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because my dual core MacBook Air is just not quite fast enough for doing some
00:39:01
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video stuff and video streaming which I'd like to do more of for for the
00:39:05
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incomparable like for our D&D podcast I was looking at that quad-core Mini. Well
00:39:10
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the quad core mini is gone. It's gone. If you want quad core, you want more than two
00:39:14
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cores in a desktop, you need the iMac or the Mac Pro at this point. The Mac mini is, so
00:39:22
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it's become a lower end product than it used to be. And the server configuration is gone
00:39:27
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too. They used to have this high end two, two terabyte drive. It was the only more than
00:39:32
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one terabyte drive configuration in Apple's product line for any product and it's gone.
00:39:38
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not selling that anymore. So the Mac Mini has sort of been redefined down, I think.
00:39:44
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I think I might get one. And that sounds crazy after you've said all of that.
00:39:50
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Yeah, you crazy guy. So what would make you want to get one?
00:39:53
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So I want to upgrade the production machine. Good word, upgrade. I like it.
00:39:58
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Thank you. I like it too. Because I'm using a Mac Mini at the moment, and it's got a spinning
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disk. And I don't want an iMac for a silly reason, but a reason that's
00:40:12
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important to me. I just want dedicated audio in and audio out. The iMac
00:40:18
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doesn't have that. My only two options then are the Mac Mini and the Mac Pro.
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And I don't need a Mac, I just don't need a Mac Pro. Quite simply I don't need one.
00:40:26
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So I can upgrade the Mac Mini and I can do it for about, I mean I know they're not comparable, but
00:40:35
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I can do it for about a thousand pounds cheaper than buying the iMac Retina and that's with 16
00:40:42
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gigabytes of RAM maxed out processor and 512 megabytes of solid state. So that will be more
00:40:52
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than enough in power for the podcasting stuff. Sure. So I'm thinking about
00:40:57
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thinking about going that route in the not too distant future. I think
00:41:01
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that's perfectly sensible. I just am so sad that they're not letting you
00:41:05
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configure that with the quad core. It is frustrating. Because that's just I mean
00:41:11
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again it was there and now it's gone. It's like they had that quad core, you
00:41:15
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could get it in dual core, it was default dual core but you could go up to the
00:41:18
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quad core if you wanted to and they've just decided you know they're not going
00:41:23
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to do that that this is this is one of those areas where Apple has withholding
00:41:26
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features because they basically are saying if you want that you need to pay
00:41:29
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us more money but Mac Mini is such a different product than the iMac and the
00:41:33
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Mac Pro as you pointed out that it's it's kind of a shame that that it's just
00:41:37
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not an option. It is a shame because the retina which we're going to talk about
00:41:42
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in a minute is priced very well here. It's like 2,000 pounds? 2,000 pounds
00:41:48
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which is very surprising for it to be less than the US dollar amount, you know,
00:41:53
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like for it not to be £2,500. That is an incredible amount of machine for
00:42:00
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that money. But it's... Look, I know that there are little dongles you can get
00:42:07
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that you can plug in that will split the audio in and out. I just don't... I just
00:42:11
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want it. I just want a dedicated audio in and audio out. It's always good for backup,
00:42:15
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I think the more audio related ports I can have considering what I do the better I feel
00:42:27
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So should we should we take a break for our second sponsor and then talk about iPads and then the retina?
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I'm a bit more. I think that's a good idea. I hope this next sponsor is also a friend and not an enemy
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There are a lot of iPads now.
00:45:46
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There are a shed load of iPads.
00:45:51
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It's like an army.
00:45:53
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They remember when people were saying how Beats was going to help Apple deal with products
00:45:58
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that had lots of SKUs because they're all those Beats headphone colors and things like
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I didn't count.
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How many iPad models are there now?
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There's currently five iPads on sale.
00:46:10
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Well no, but then you've got the different sizes and the different colors.
00:46:13
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So somebody counted how many SKUs it is now and it's an enormous number because you've
00:46:18
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got every size in three different colors and then you've got the older models that are
00:46:24
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also available like the two and the original iPad mini and both the Air models are out
00:46:30
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there. There's a lot of iPads. Before color, because I've just done a quick
00:46:34
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count, before colors, if you just take the different storage sizes and Wi-Fi and cellular,
00:46:39
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there are 22. So then for the two new models, there's multiplied by three. And then for
00:46:46
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the two older models, there's multiplied by two.
00:46:48
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Yeah, it's a lot of iPads. It's a ridiculous amount of iPads.
00:46:51
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Collect them all.
00:46:57
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Someone has. Use Apple Pay.
00:46:59
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But then the weird thing is,
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so you have these different, it's so strange to me
00:47:03
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because you have five iPads
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that you can purchase
00:47:07
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but they're kind of only two
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models, really, the iPad Air and the iPad Mini.
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But then there's different
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iterations on them from what's inside.
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Then there's different iterations for the storage.
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Then there's color. It's so confusing.
00:47:19
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fusing? It's like they're trying to dazzle people into buying their products.
00:47:26
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I think what they're... I mean what's happening with the old models is simply
00:47:29
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that they want to have something... it is the get them in the door with a low
00:47:34
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low price thing just like I was saying about the Mac Mini and that low priced
00:47:38
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iMac. It's the... their competitors have these cheap tablets and they don't want
00:47:45
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to make a cheap tablet so instead they just sell their old tablet for cheap so
00:47:49
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So the fact that the iPad mini is out there, the original iPad mini, first off all the
00:47:54
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developers are just beside themselves because it's got an A5 chip in it just like the lingering
00:47:59
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iPod touch that's out there also has the A5.
00:48:02
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The iPad 2 essentially is still available as a new device that you can buy today, new
00:48:07
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from Apple, which is crazy.
00:48:11
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So that's one, is just to provide some pricing variety, that adds to the confusion.
00:48:15
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three models of iPad that the two, the original, the Mini 2, the Mini 1, and the Air 1. And
00:48:25
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then, you know, the color variation is nice. I don't have a problem with that. I don't
00:48:28
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think that's too confusing. The iPad was already so confusing because it's got cellular and
00:48:32
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not and it's got the different sizes, so it's just cranking it up another notch. But the,
00:48:38
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you know, having, it must be really important to them to say iPad starts at whatever it
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is now $239, I don't know what it is for that original, don't buy that model, but it's there
00:48:50
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and it's cheaper. The original Air for $100 less is not a bad deal, and the iPad Mini
00:48:57
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2 I would argue is actually the best deal of the iPad Mini line. I would recommend people
00:49:02
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buy the iPad Mini 2 and save their money and not buy the iPad Mini 3 unless they really
00:49:06
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need 128 gigs or 64 gigs of storage because it's exactly the same as the iPad Mini 3 except
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for Touch ID.
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You can live without it.
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It's crazy, I cannot believe they didn't update the processor in any way for the iPad Mini
00:49:26
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Because we were given this incredible device with the Mini 2, which is now called the Mini
00:49:33
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I have to say that Mini 2 and Mini 3 is awkward, but I'm having Mini with Retina display was
00:49:38
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more awkward.
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Yeah, it was the worst.
00:49:40
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It's just funny that they've renamed it retroactively as the i5 Mini 2.
00:49:43
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I like that they were like, "No, numbers are too confusing, we're going to give them product
00:49:48
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No, product names are too confusing, we're going to give them product names and numbers.
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Yeah, it's going to be numbers from here on out instead of specifying that it's a Retina
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display and by the way, here's the iMac Retina 5K.
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the iMac 5K, the 5K 2.
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Yeah, yeah, it's for one shining moment last year the iPad mini and the iPad Air
00:50:11
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were at equivalence, right? But before that, the previous year, the iPad
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mini was underpowered compared to the iPad 4, as I recall. And I think so. I'm
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not a hundred percent on that one. And then now we're back to that, which is
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they've upgraded the Air and they're not worried about the mini. And I guess the
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question there is, is that because they really just want the Mini to be out there and be
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cheap and this way it can be cheap and their margins can be good or is it that it doesn't
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sell very well? I think that, I think, you know, I've read a lot of stories that suggest
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that the Mini, they thought the Mini would sell better and that the Air is the winner
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there and that, you know, the existence of the iPhone 6 Plus calls the iPad Mini further
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into question which you know I dispute because I use an iPad mini 2 every day and love it
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and I didn't buy the 6 plus I bought the 6 and I'm happy with that combination but I
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am prepared to accept that I'm out of line when it comes to what people like with their
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I want to talk about the Air 2 because you've seen one I assume.
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The thinness and the lightness, how much of a jump is it?
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- I don't know.
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I mean, it feels thinner than the Air,
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but it was already pretty thin.
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And I'd say it's imperceptible, the weight is imperceptible.
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I think, you know, iPads are not,
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what we've learned about these devices
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is that they're not a one-year upgrade cycle.
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So the real question should probably be
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compared to an iPad 3 or 4, how is the Air 2?
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and is way lighter and thinner than those,
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but it's incremental compared to the air.
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It is noticeable, but not, you know,
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it's not gonna blow you away.
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And I don't think they're gonna be able to blow people away
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with thinness and lightness again,
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because there's not a lot left.
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Until they float and are so thin
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that they are extruded into a different dimension,
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I think they're not gonna get much thinner or lighter.
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I could be wrong.
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People could like get their arms cut off
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by the wrong angle of an iPad, but probably not.
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So yeah, it's a little bit thinner, a little bit lighter.
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I really wonder at one point,
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the thin and light thing comes to an end.
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I'm gonna write something about this at some point
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on six colors, but you know, at some point,
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thin is not an advantage anymore.
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At some point it's a disadvantage
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'cause it causes you to make a lot of trade-offs
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in other areas.
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And I'm not sure they needed to make the iPad Air
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any thinner than it already was, but they did.
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So that's fine. It's nice and thin.
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Just at some point it's too thin.
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And I wonder if what else they're sacrificing now
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would be more important to more people
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than it just being a little bit thinner.
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- At 6.1 millimeters, can it actually,
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I mean, I feel like we say this every time,
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how much thinner can it actually get?
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Like the components that they're putting in there
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have to have a minimum thickness to them.
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At some point it has to stop, right?
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- Yeah, I mean this is, and this is what I want to write
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about too, is that at some point it's so thin
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that it cuts you, right?
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So at some point, even if you could make it thinner
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and all the components can be thinner,
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and that's not true, they can't.
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Like the glass, there's a point physically
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where the glass won't be able to get any thinner
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and the, you know, and it may be a lot more
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than we, that it is capable of being today.
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But at some point it's, we're talking about just physics
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and the size of molecules.
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And so at some point it won't be able to get any thinner
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without dramatic changes.
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I can't decide whether Apple's goal here
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is to eventually make it a flexible thing
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that you just roll up and put in your pocket or something,
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that it's a piece of paper.
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And if that's what they're going for,
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but short of that, short of a piece of paper
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that is actually an iPad.
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And even then you want it to be rigid enough
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when you're using it to touch on the screen and stuff
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and not have it like curl away.
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I don't know, I feel like they're reaching the end
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of the thinness thing and they need to be focused on,
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you know, better battery life and less power consumption
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and reducing screen glare,
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which they actually are trying to do
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with the Air 2 a little bit.
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And other features like that,
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that are more important than thinness,
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because at this point the device is plenty thin and light.
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Having moved to the laminated screen
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where the screen like on the iPhone now
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with a there's no air gap between the screen
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and the glass that covers it, that's good.
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That's a step forward because it makes the screen
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seem more directly under your finger
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when you're touching on it.
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But yeah, I feel like we are at the point
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where thinness is no longer the dimension they need to be worried about, or the dimension
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is the wrong word there, it's literally a dimension, the feature that is the thing that
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drives them forward. It feels like they've got thinness pretty well licked and they should
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move on to something else.
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So the iPad Air, I think, is starting to show not like seams or cracks in the fact that
00:55:32
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it's thin, but there are hardware changes that are occurring that to me indicate
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the trade-offs they're having to make. So the rotation lock switch is gone.
00:55:43
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Yes. And the Apple SIM. Now the Apple SIM is a very interesting thing because it's
00:55:49
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basically allowing Apple to put their own kind of SIM card into this thing, but
00:55:56
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what it's showing is they are struggling now to be able to have a removable SIM
00:56:00
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Now obviously it's a benefit, the Apple sim is kind of a great benefit, but it's showing
00:56:08
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to me that we're at the point now where they're having to make hardware decisions based on
00:56:12
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the thinness.
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So I just wonder, in my thinking, how much further does it go?
00:56:20
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I don't think the Apple sim is because of thinness.
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I think the Apple sim is because the last thing you want to do when you're stocking
00:56:26
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70 different models of iPad is have to have yet again another multiplier because there's
00:56:33
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the one that's got this company's SIM card in it or this company's technology in it.
00:56:37
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They're trying to reduce that as much as possible so like everyone right out of the box will
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work with whatever and it's all in software and you don't have to pop out something because
00:56:46
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that is kind of ridiculous and primitive, right?
00:56:48
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So I feel like that's where they're going.
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They're probably motivated by thinness and I think the Switch is probably motivated by
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and thinness, but also I bet they would tell you that they found that people don't use the switch very much.
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Yeah, I mean, I never use mine.
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I use mine, but I use it as a mute switch. I don't use it as an orientation lock.
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And I don't use it that often. It usually just stays muted.
00:57:19
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So, and they probably know, right?
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They probably have statistics of like the number of flips of that switch that happen
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on iPads, and it's probably not very much.
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And they say, look, we can lose it.
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And we'll, we're, we're getting rid of one moving part and it simplifies the hardware
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design and maybe it allows us to make it thinner.
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But you're right.
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At some point you're sacrificing like battery life.
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At some point you're sacrificing battery life because of this obsession with thinness and
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And at some point, battery, there's enough battery.
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I'm not sure their products are quite at there's enough battery yet.
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Certainly the phone's not, but even the iPad, you could argue, could have a little more battery
00:57:57
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and that people might prefer a little more battery, 14 hours or 16 hours, rather than having it be a few millimeters thinner.
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Do you have any sort of steer? Is it worth upgrading to the Air 2 if you have an Air?
00:58:13
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Is it beneficial?
00:58:14
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No, you don't think so?
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Unless you really, really, really want Touch ID and you've got somebody who you can hand
00:58:21
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down your iPad Air 1, 2 in your family or something like that.
00:58:26
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But I don't think these are products that are made for a one year buying cycle.
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They're not.
00:58:34
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They're not.
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There's nothing that jumps out.
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I think even the glare thing isn't quite -- it's better but it's not like they solved the glare
00:58:40
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and now it's like a Kindle Paperwhite. That was foreshadowing by the way. It's not like
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that. This is a product that the real question is, is it a lot better and thinner and lighter
00:58:50
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and faster than the iPad 3 and the iPad 4? And it is. And it is. But if you've got a
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3, I wouldn't unless you just are somebody who loves, loves, loves Touch ID. And you
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know, shine on you crazy diamond if that's you. And then for the iPad Mini 3, I wouldn't
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recommend it to, you know, anyone who's got an iPad mini too.
00:59:12
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There's no point. So let's talk about that Retina iMac.
00:59:18
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Yeah, it's right behind me. Have you set it up?
00:59:21
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I'm in the future, yeah, it's right here. And how do you feel about it?
00:59:27
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Like, what was your initial impression when Apple showed it off and you got
00:59:30
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to see it for the first time? Was it like the, you know, how you
00:59:33
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mentioned that if you look at it, like, you lose $2,500 from your
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wallet like that is that how it is? It's beamed out.
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Well I'm in a weird position too because I've got a I've got a amount of
00:59:48
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money on Lex Friedman and Dan Morin and John Moltz's podcast or The Rebound.
00:59:53
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Dan was referring to this as his like his his rich uncle died and
00:59:58
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left him some money for a computer but you know the reality is much more boring
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which is that there's some money that those of us who left IDG get to toward our future,
01:00:08
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you know, work endeavors. And one of the things we can do is buy computer equipment with it.
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And at the event, Dan Frakes reminded me that that was the case. And I was like, oh no,
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because now I look at that iMac and I think, oh, I've got to buy a computer. It could be that iMac.
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If you've seen the retina MacBook Pro, that was the revelation, right? Cause it was like,
01:00:29
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like "oh my god it's a Mac at retina
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resolution" this is, I mean it's like
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four of those screen style together but
01:00:37
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that's what it is it's a retina Mac it's
01:00:40
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not revelatory in that way because it's
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just a retina Mac now it's huge and
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because the 27 I mean it's a huge screen
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it's all retina it's a pretty powerful
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computer too I mean it's easy to lose
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sight of that but this is the you know
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both of the processor options for this
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thing are powerful quad-core, you know, there's an i5 and an i7 with some pretty impressive
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graphics capabilities. So the specs look really good, which is why so many people we know
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who are really gigantic Mac nerds, who are Mac Pro users or Mac Mini users, are talking
01:01:17
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about buying an iMac. And these are people who back in the day, remember the iMac was
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the low-end computer for not serious people. This is the opposite of that. This is the
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antithesis of the original iMac, other than that it's an all-in-one, because this is an
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amazingly powerful thing with this crazy screen on it. Like Marco Arment, he made an order.
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He's going to buy one. He's going to ditch that Mac Pro that they spent a year talking
01:01:44
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about on ATP. I totally understand that. I'm probably going to get one myself. I made an
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order and then I cancelled it when I found out I was going to be reviewing one because
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I'll find out a lot more about what I feel about it by using it myself for my review
01:01:58
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and then I can make an order if I want to buy one. But it's understandable why people
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who would not have bought an iMac before would want this thing, not just for the screen but
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because of all the other specs. But it's not for you, right? You're not going to get something
01:02:16
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I mean, even if it's a good deal at £2,500 or £2,000, that's still a lot of money.
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So I have a lot of money.
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It's a good deal, but it's really expensive.
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And what you do, and really what I do, but what you do is, I mean, a big screen is nice,
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but it's not quite as necessary.
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No, I'm not massively interested in putting my money into the desktop computer.
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I just need something that can process audio quickly.
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never do anything on it other than the editing. So I just need RAM and an SSD
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really. I have a decent amount of RAM in the Mac Mini. I can't remember how
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much I stopped my head but I never have problems there. It's just the speed that
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it takes to read and write from the disks that causes me problems. And you
01:03:00
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wouldn't get a Retina MacBook Pro because of the audio in and out dedicated?
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Well I'm using a Retina MacBook Pro now as my main computer but I don't ever
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record on it. So like for example to do all of the work I have a Retina MacBook
01:03:15
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Pro like to do all of the show stuff and things like that that's my machine but
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the production machine the mini. It's a mini is just for production. It's
01:03:23
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purely for Skype calls and recording and the posting of the episodes but
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everything else I do in a Retina MacBook Pro which I adore but my main computer
01:03:32
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the computer that I'm spending a lot of money on I would want it to be a laptop
01:03:35
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Right. Because you get the added benefit of portability.
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Yeah, having a pretty good
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MacBook Air, which is what I use as my main system now,
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what this would do if I got the iMac, I mean now that I've got this office in my garage
01:03:51
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and I'm working out here, I realized that's why I was in the market for
01:03:55
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a Mac Mini, is I thought, you know, I leave
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the laptop docked a lot of the time, and maybe I should just get a desktop
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and have the laptop live in the house, the rest of the house, and me use it when
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I'm on the couch and things, which a laptop is good for, and have something
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dedicated out here. And so I'm still thinking about that, but I agree with
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you. If I had to choose, I would not want to have some like compromised
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awful thing that I could take around with me and have some amazing thing that
01:04:28
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stayed rooted to the desk, but I'm fortunate to have a pretty good MacBook
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Air, it's a last year's model so it's in great shape so I get to do both if I get that iMac.
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It's good though, I mean it looks great, we'll see how it performs, everybody's got questions
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and I'm looking forward to testing it out but in terms of what it looks like, it looks
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like an iMac and in terms of what the screen looks like, it looks like the Retina MacBook
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Pro except more, much, much, much more.
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More Retina.
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Yeah, more pixels, right? Because it's just enormous.
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It's a 15 and a 13 inch diagonal on those MacBook Pros and this is a 27, so...
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It's a lot of dots. That's an awful lot of dots.
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Is the pixels per inch lower?
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I don't know. I haven't looked.
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Uhhh... Probably not. But I don't know.
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I can't remember. I think I saw something about it, but...
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Because I guess with a screen that size, it probably doesn't need to be that high
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because you're far away from it anyway.
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Because that's the thing, right?
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Retina's relative pretty much.
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It kind of just depends how close you are to it.
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- Yeah, it's all about how close you are.
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- I'm on the site now trying to find something,
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just anything that would give me that information.
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But I'm not having much luck at the moment.
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- Yeah, I don't know.
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- So let's say yes and or no.
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- Sure, it's one of those.
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I'm sure we'll get some follow up on that
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and we'll feed back on it next week, how about that?
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- Chat room real time follow up, 218 PPI on the Retina iMac.
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- 218. - That's Neil Posner,
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I think, in the chat room.
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218, so it's lower than on a phone,
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but the idea there is that's always been the case
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with the Mac that you're using it
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from a little bit further away.
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- Cool. - That's a lot of dots.
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- iOS 8.1 was released today.
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I updated immediately because nothing ever happens
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- I updated-- - You update your iOS
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immediately.
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- I was terrified to do it, but I did it anyway.
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- Why'd you do that?
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Just because you wanted to have it?
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- Yeah, why not?
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- Dangerous.
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- I need to have faith. - But it worked out.
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- I need to have faith. - It worked fine.
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It worked fine.
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Well, I wanted it 'cause I wanted to try out Apple Pay.
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So I, you know, so I could write something about Apple pay, which I did.
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I downloaded it and walked to.
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Whole foods and bought some stuff and I use my phone and it worked.
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And then I walked home and I blew away the, uh, the, uh, the guy at the
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checkout line, cause he was like, what just happened because, I mean,
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he knew I was doing it because they have little stickers everywhere.
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That's like, Oh, Apple pay.
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You can use that now.
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But, um, it was all very abrupt.
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just sort of like he was waiting for my next part in the payment process and instead the
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receipt just printed out.
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I pulled out the lines from your review, your live review of Apple Pay.
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Tyler, your checkout assistant, said both "oh you're gonna try that when you try to
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do it" and "whoa I don't know what happened" like I love that clearly Whole Foods had not
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trained him at all on what he was going to be using today.
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It felt to me like he had been trained. So he was ready to do it, but he'd never seen
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it actually work with a customer before. Because I mean, literally I walked over there as soon
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as my phone rebooted. So unless they had some sort of beta, you know, Apple beta tester
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person, they just got the corporate training about it, but nobody had actually used it
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in practice. I was probably the first person in their store to use it. And so I told him
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I was going to do it and he was like, "Oh." And it sounded very much like, "Oh yeah, they
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told us about this but I've never seen it and then so then he saw it in action
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it's like whoa it's you know is what just happened was very much like you
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know unbelievable you didn't do anything you were just standing with your phone
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and it says you paid which is true that's exactly what it was I mean the
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the I didn't even need to like tap the phone to the thing I just I kind of held
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it in my hand and roughly in front of where that was the little terminal was
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and it and it slid out the little Apple pay thing and I put my I put my thumb
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I put my thumb on the Touch ID to unlock the phone to do something.
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I wasn't really thinking straight about what I was doing.
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I was like, "Oh, well, this Apple Pay thing is happening.
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I'll unlock my phone and see what I do next."
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That just paid for it.
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I just put my thumb on it.
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It just paid, which is fine because that's what I wanted to do.
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Just before I knew it, I had paid for my chicken and peanut butter and I was out of there.
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Aren't you going to get Manchego?
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I don't even know what that is.
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Manchego is a kind of cheese.
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from Spain so it's near you Myke and it's a very tasty tasty cheese and I was going
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to get some manchego and some beer too but this morning when I was running over there
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my wife said we need chicken for dinner tonight so buy some chicken and I was like alright
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and I didn't want to do a big shopping trip because I really needed to get back and write
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the story before my phone call with Apple actually about the iMac so yeah I didn't get
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the cheese. I'll have to go back over there sometime. I can go...
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Whole Foods is five minutes from my house. I can go there anytime I want and I
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don't even need to bring anything but my phone and I can buy everything in the
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That's how it works, right? Yeah, I mean because it's free money.
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Yeah, it's just my phone. It's Apple's money. I think that's what that means. Apple pays.
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I think that's what that means.
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I think that's probably it. Apple's paying for this.
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Apple will pay. If they were our enemy, we'd say someday Apple
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you'll pay. You'll pay, Apple. But now they pay every day now.
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Apparently so yeah. Yeah, I'll have to go back for some Manchego later because that's a good cheese
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Seems like that it hasn't moved out the hiccups though. I've seen a couple of people just either a like it's just not working
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Apple said these cars would work. However, no
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It's day. Well, it's it's the morning of day one. And so I think
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Some people like Dan Morin found out like his cards are supposedly
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supposedly work but don't.
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But I'm unclear on whose cards are working today
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and whose cards are working eventually.
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I have a Chase Sapphire card and it worked.
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I couldn't take a picture of it,
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use the camera to enter in the numbers thing though
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because my credit card's strange
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and puts the numbers on the back instead of the front.
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It just confuses everybody.
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I don't know why they do it.
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- It's to make you look more elite, Jason.
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- I think so, it's a weird credit card.
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But anyway, it was in there.
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But this is gonna take time 'cause it's not just Apple,
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it's your bank has to be an Apple system
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and support the new thing.
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And that's gonna take time.
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And this is all US only, we should say.
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I mean, this rollout is starting in the US
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and will eventually go elsewhere.
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The US is certainly ripe for disruption in this area.
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But it was cool, it was fun, I'll do it again.
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It beats, even if I have a card in my wallet, in my pocket,
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it beats taking out the card and swiping it
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and saying okay and signing and all that.
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I mean, I'm not gonna sit there with like the lady
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in the video and be like, oh, getting this card out,
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it's so hard.
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I wish there was a better way.
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- Thank you for saving the day.
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- Yeah, exactly.
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Thanks Apple Pay, you made it all better.
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something like that.
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It was, I'll do it again.
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It was fun and it's easy.
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And everybody who's used to having their phone out
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in the checkout line anyway, 'cause they're bored,
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now you just leave it out and pay and you're done
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and you walk away.
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It's pretty cool.
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But it's early days.
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- From a pure infrastructure perspective,
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it's very surprising to me that like stores,
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like Whole Foods and I've seen other people
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like tweeting of the other things that they've been buying today.
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It's just interesting that everyone's ready.
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You know, I know that there's hiccups, but it's a huge undertaking.
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Yeah, and then they announced it, giving them a month to prepare further, sort of openly
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But yeah, Apple's got some clout and they've got good connections with the banks and retailers
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are getting on board.
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And I'm sure, you know, the part that we don't read about is the people who make these systems,
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and presumably that's a big part of this too, is the people who make the payment systems
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who are integrating the payment systems with all these companies, you know, they're probably
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getting leaned on by the retailer saying, "Well, this sounds cool.
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Maybe we should support this."
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And they're like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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We've got a software update that'll do that."
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And so that's the part beneath the waterline here that's also going on, which is, you know,
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provider of payment systems to these five major companies and they've got an update
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in a month that will support Apple Pay and then they'll be on board with it.
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It's amazing.
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That's why I chose to walk to Whole Foods.
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Whole Foods was one of the five places on that slide on the announcement.
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I thought, "Okay, they've got a lockdown with Whole Foods."
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I've been to our Whole Foods and I've seen the new terminals.
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I know they're ready to go.
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Likewise, I knew which one of my credit cards was on the slide on day one when they announced
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this thing and it sent us an email saying, "You can now use Apple Pay."
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And I thought, "Alright, I can do this."
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Not everybody can yet, but I'm going to make the best case scenario here, which I did,
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and I got peanut butter out of it.
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So, and check it.
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Yeah, they were probably a pretty good bet for one of the ones that was going to work
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if you went there.
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And I mean, I would have written about it if it didn't work.
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That would have been an interesting story, but it worked.
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It worked fine.
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And putting in the number was easy too.
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I mean it's literally like filling out a form to buy something online.
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You put in your credit card number and your expiration and all that.
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And then my bank, it was a two factor.
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It sent a text to my wife's cell phone with a code and then I entered in that code and
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then it was authorized.
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So it was all, it was pretty easy and it felt fairly secure.
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So that about wraps it up for today's episode of Upgrade.
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If you'd like to catch the show notes for today, you can go to relay.fm/upgrade/six.
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If you'd like to find us online, I am @imyke.
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Jason is @jsnell, J-S-N-E-L-L, and he writes over at the fantastic sixcolors.com.
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If for some crazy reason you listen to the show and don't read Six Colors, you're missing
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It's really one of my favorite new websites on the web, and I don't just say that because
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I get to talk to this guy every week.
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Thank you, Myke.
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Our friends over at Six Colors, wait a second, that's me over there.
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And I'm getting my Kindle tomorrow, so we've got more things to talk about.
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And Yosemite came out, and we haven't talked about that yet.
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Poor little Kindle.
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One day, Kindle, one day.
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I will have used the Retina iMac, so I think next week might be the week for the Kindle
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talk, but we'll see.
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Kindle talk with Jason and Myke.
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That could be our five-minute vertical podcast at the beginning of the show before the real
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show starts.
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And thank you so much to our sponsors for this week, Smile on Hover.
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Our friends.
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Friends and sponsors, Smile on Hover will be back next time.
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Say goodbye, Jesus.
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Goodbye, Myke.
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Goodbye, everybody.
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