7: Hot Dog Allergy
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Hello and welcome to episode 7 of Upgrade on Relay FM. This episode of
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Upgrade is brought to you by Backblaze, online backup made easy,
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and igloo, an intranet you'll actually like.
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My name is Myke Hurley, but I'm joined by the man of this hour,
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Mr. Jason Snell. Hi Myke. This hour. Yeah, figure of this hour that's about to
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proceed you will be the man. 3 p.m. is Jason time. Jason daylight time. Yeah,
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we're in that time right now where we have switched to daylight
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savings time in the United Kingdom but you change in a week. In a week.
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so that the trick-or-treaters can have a little more light. That's really it,
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seriously, that's why. Oh really? Yeah, yeah they moved it to after Halloween on
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purpose so that Halloween would have a little more light in the evening for the
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little kids who are wandering around and demanding candy. My word. It's true.
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Does that mean we're closer? Doesn't that mean we're closer together, Myke? It does.
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I prefer this but I only get one week of it. When it changes back to summertime
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we change three weeks earlier than you which is horrible because that's the
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wrong way. We're far away. That's nine hours. Yeah, yeah. With the West Coast. With the
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best coast, yes. That's upsetting because I can deal with things when it brings
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things forward an hour but pushing them out makes it harder. However, next time it
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it won't be a problem for me, sir.
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- That's good, 'cause you'll just be living
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in your vampire hours as a new,
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living East Coast hours in England, which is fun.
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- I'll be walking around here going,
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"What are you guys talking about?
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"Daylight savings time, we've got another three weeks of that
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"well, what's the problem, guys?"
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- My cousin and her husband,
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he used to work in a job in Louisville, Kentucky,
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and they lived in Indiana.
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So they lived in Central time,
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but he worked in Eastern time.
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And she was a telecommuter to a job in Florida,
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which is Eastern time.
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So their house was all the clocks were in Eastern time,
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even though if you went to the store, it was central time,
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but they just pretended that they were in Eastern time.
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It was easier for everybody
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if they just acted on Eastern time,
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'cause all their work was Eastern time.
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- Probably not easier for the people around them.
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- Probably not.
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My wife used to work, her boss used to live,
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still does I think, half the year in New Zealand
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and half the year here.
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And the way that works, because it's the other hemisphere,
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the times come closer each way by an hour,
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and then they go away from each other by an hour.
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So actually when my wife was working with her
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and it was winter here and summer there,
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I think the difference in time,
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I think it was like four hours.
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It was almost no difference in time.
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It was very much like a New York,
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San Francisco kind of thing.
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So it was actually really easy to work
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with people from New Zealand,
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but then the other half of the year,
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they're much further apart.
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Time zones, how do they work?
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Apparently, however anybody likes is what we've learned today.
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Just do whatever you want.
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So this is our top of episode digression for this week is a vertical, the vertical this
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week, as we said, our vertical podcast of the week.
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This is about time zones.
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Yeah, and we're not actually, the Kindle will not be a vertical this week.
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Who knows if it'll be a topic?
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It's in there.
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I know it's in there.
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There is a chance that it, there's a chance it might be.
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There's a chance it might not be.
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Just so people know so we can kind of keep abreast of Kindle Talk, which is part of the
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Vertical Podcast, which is part of Upgrade.
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Do you have your Kindle Voyage?
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Okay, great.
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So the Kindle Voyage is in the house.
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So now if we don't talk about it, we'll really not be talking about it.
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I think it's time for your favorite part of the show.
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Sponsors who are our good friends.
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- Oh, follow up, follow up is what you mean.
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- Okay, listener Shep wrote in to say,
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"Myke, please, I beg you, don't buy a Mac Mini."
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- Wow, wow Shep, you really mean this.
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Please tell me more Jason.
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Shep, please tell me more via Jason.
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- I think you might've gotten this email,
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but I forwarded this to you.
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But anyway, he says, "The new machines are not only limited
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"to dual core, which we mentioned last time,
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"but the RAM is soldered onto the machines.
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the upgrade price from 4 gigs in the Lowison machine to 16 is a ridiculous
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amount because they know you can't do it later
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and he said I'd strongly urge you to find
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new old stock, I assume he means something that's still floating around
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or refurbed or something, of the previous superior version
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of the mini that had the quad core i7 processor then do your own 30 second RAM
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and so he's recommending you seek out an old
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previous generation Mac Mini that had the quad core processor and
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upgrade the RAM and use that instead of buying one of the limited
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new model Mac Minis. That's not a bad idea actually.
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If you're doing multi-core, I mean I don't think it's going to be much slower
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to do single core and it would be much faster to do multi-core.
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If you can find it. Yeah, that's the problem if I can find one.
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Um, yeah, definitely not a bad idea.
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Maybe I'll save myself some money.
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Or maybe there'll be, like, a black market, um,
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of these machines.
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- Listenership says that PowerMax.com, for example,
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has a quad core at $699 US right now.
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- Jason, have you ever heard of PowerMax.com?
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- Okay, good.
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Well, I'm not gonna buy from them then.
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- Just as an example of a...
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It's Power Max, it's like Max Power.
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It's like the Homer Simpson's alter ego, Max Power.
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- I don't remember that. - It's just like that.
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Anyway, Myke don't buy a Mac Mini.
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That's the only, you only move twice.
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You should see that.
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That's a great, is that, is that the,
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- Oh! - Is he Max Power in that?
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No, it's a different episode where he's Max Power.
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He changes his name because there's the police cops star
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who's a character called Homer Simpson.
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And in the pilot episode, he's really cool.
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And then in the series episode, he's a loser.
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And so he changes his name to Max Power.
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that I remember that you only is it moved twice
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you only move twice is the one where he gets the job as the James Bond villain
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played by Albert Brooks is a nuclear power
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guy that is my favorite Simpsons episode of all time
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I'm it's a good one it ends with a great joke that you wouldn't understand which
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an NFL joke because Dallas Cowboys
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he owns the Dallas Cowboys but instead he gets the Denver Broncos
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Denver Broncos! Mars is well I don't know it seems funny Mars you don't understand
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football because back then the Denver Broncos were terrible then they won the
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Super Bowl and ruined the joke. And then everyone on the internet shared that
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clip for 24 hours. That's what I found. Yeah that is I think you only move
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twice it kind of has everything that is good about the Simpsons. Yeah I kind of
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stopped watching the Simpsons in recent years there's a lot of things is
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everything bad about the Simpsons. So there's our Simpsons vertical. Done.
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They're not tangents anymore, they're vertical. You can sponsor these
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verticals in the future. That'll be good. We just get totally
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vertically aligned sponsorship deals. This vertical was brought to you by Fox.
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Yeah, exactly. By the new Simpsons app from FXX. Listener Joseph wrote in, we had
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some Apple Pay comments, and listener Joseph said, "Obviously Apple Pay works
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with any NFC compatible system.
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He says, "I think Apple's cache will push retailers
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to enable NFC and advertise
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that they're Apple Pay participants,
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but it doesn't look like they have to specifically
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partner with Apple."
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This is true, and of course,
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as we found out some drugstores in the US,
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which we call that a chemist, Myke,
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in your part of the world. - A chemist, yes.
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Or a pharmacy.
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- Or a pharmacy, okay, well, indeed.
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So many drugstores, pharmacies, chemists
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in the United States have actually,
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They had it on and when they discovered that it worked with Apple Pay, they quickly turned
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it off because they are plotting their own system.
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But yes, theoretically if you're an NFC terminal, it should be able to work with Apple Pay.
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And I think I read somewhere that somebody in Australia was able to pay with something
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using Apple Pay because they had a US credit card and there was an NFC terminal and they
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had to pay the conversion rate and all of that, but it actually did work.
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So that's good.
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if you have a US credit card you can basically pay anywhere in the world. It's
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very interesting that that works but it's all... The thing is like I have a... I have
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an understanding of this stuff kind of a little bit from a technical level from
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my soon-to-be previous employment and these things like the machines and the
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NFC chips they just see each other as very basic technology. Apple's not doing
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anything magic that requires--
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- It's sending numbers, right?
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I mean, it's like numbers.
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- All it's doing is like, if you have one of these chips
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in your credit card or your debit card,
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it's the same thing that's inside of what Apple's doing.
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And a lot of it, like the terminal doesn't know
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what is necessary talking to it,
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because then it's kind of by design, but.
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- The only difference is that Apple's system
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is generating that one time credit card number.
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But the terminal doesn't need to know that, right?
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All the terminal knows is that it's got a number,
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it's valid, and it clears the sale.
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- But obviously the mean people
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at these American pharmacies have found ways
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to stop it from happening.
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- Well, there's a whole harebrained scheme
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to build their own mobile app that has a barcode
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that you take a picture and then you show a barcode
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on your phone and it links with your bank account
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so they have access to just take money
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out of your bank account.
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it sounds so evil and so bad and they can track your purchases and aggregate all that
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data and presumably resell it and market it.
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Walmart is apparently one of the prime movers in it and it sounds really bad and it's all
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basically to just get out from paying Mastercard or Visa for transaction fees.
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Thing is about this...
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Not to help customers at all, right?
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Consumers are not supposed to be aided by this in any way, it's just for them to save
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I read about this yesterday and it just made me laugh
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because like, this is like,
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Apple's not giving up on Apple Pay.
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I think that Apple consider Apple Pay,
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I mean, I'm not the only one who obviously thinks this
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as a hugely important thing
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to the future of their business.
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Like Apple Pay is a big deal.
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- Tim Cook said as much.
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- Yeah, this is huge.
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- Yeah, Tim Cook in his phone call with analysts,
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said this is a huge services move for us doing this and you know their whole idea is that
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they're basically making money at this, one from the halo of selling more devices that
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use this thing that's awesome but also by they're taking a piece of what was the credit
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card fee basically as part of the deal and it's not you know it's just sort of like inserting
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themselves in the middle there. Anyway it's yeah it'll be interesting to see I think that
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a customer hostile attempt to aggregate user data
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in exchange for coupons is probably gonna fail.
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Or at least will, I doubt it,
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they're going to be able to succeed
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at making it an either or.
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It's more likely that they'll finally say,
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'cause also keep in mind, they can't turn off Apple Pay,
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like you said, they have to turn off NFC.
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So everybody's gonna get these chips in the US,
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these chips in their cards,
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and they're gonna wanna do the tap to, you know,
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and they're gonna say, "Well, no, you can download our app
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"and scan this barcode and all."
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And people are not gonna wanna do that.
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That's crazy.
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Nobody wants to do that.
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- I like to say retail, say hello to the music industry
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because if the music industry tried to do this with iTunes,
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you will not win in this scenario
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and your customers will want you to get your,
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to buy your products via this.
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And there will be people that decide to go to a competitor.
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ditch as well, you know?
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Wherever you think that's a, you know,
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like people who maybe go to Walmart
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will go to another supermarket.
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Jason, help me.
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- If one of those exists, Safeway or Publix or Buy Right,
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now I'm making up things.
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They'll go to Wall, people who wanna go, let's try this,
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who wanna go to Rite Aid will now go to Walgreens
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because Walgreens accepts Apple Pay and Rite Aid does not.
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- There you go.
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- It's sad for me because the Whole Foods
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where I can buy things with Apple Pay
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surrounded by a CVS and a Rite Aid both of which have now had it turned off
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because they're part of this cabal. And you used Apple Pay at the ballpark? I did
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I bought a hot dog with Apple Pay. Alert! Stop presses! New story just
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breaking. Man buys hot dog. Seen at the ballpark today. Yeah. Is that hot dog he's
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carrying purchased with Apple Pay could be.
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So I do have a question about purchasing with Apple Pay now you've used me using it for
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like all of a week and a bit.
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Are you using it genuinely or ironically at the moment still or is it changed or do you
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think it will change?
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I am going to use it every damn chance I get and not ironically.
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I think it's, first off it's fun and second I like the idea that I am just taking my phone
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out of my pocket and holding my thumb on the little button and it's all done. I think that's
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really cool. Plus, as a writer, I'm also interested in getting into those weird circumstances where
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things are not quite right and just experiencing it. Like with the hot dog, the guy wasn't ready
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and I beeped his little terminal with Apple Pay and he was like, "No, no, no, wait, wait, wait."
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And he pressed a couple of keys and he said, "Now do it." And I did it again and it went through.
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So I thought that was interesting that I couldn't just jump ahead.
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Like, you know, at some supermarkets, it's not so true now because I think they
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realized that people use their terminals differently than they expected.
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But it used to be you would sometimes run your credit card and put in your pin or
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whatever you would need to do.
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And then they would get to the end of the transaction and they'd say, "Okay, now put
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in your credit card."
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And that was because the terminal wasn't ready yet.
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And now I never experienced that.
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Now they all know, "Look, if you're gonna run your credit card now, I'll just hold on to it,
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wait until the checker says that they're done, then I'll verify your credit card and we'll move ahead."
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I feel like that's where Apple Pay is right now. Like, some of these terminals aren't,
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aren't like ready to take your payment information yet. Like, I don't know,
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I don't know what to do with that, and this is what happened when I bought the hot dog
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at the World Series. That, that, the way that you explained about the teller ringing,
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I had absolutely no idea what that means. No? Because basically it's the same like with chip
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and pin transactions, what happens is, and this is all part of the terminal and the security
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and all that sort of stuff, the transaction is finished and then the transaction is sent
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to the terminal, which dials to get the authorization to begin the transaction, and then that's
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who it is here, and then you put your card in and put it through.
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In my supermarket line, so you put your groceries on the conveyor belt or whatever and you go
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and they're scanning them all and putting them in bags, and there's usually a terminal,
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This is actually one of the rare cases where you actually have a terminal now in the US
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because so many of these cases you give them the card and they take it and do things with
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But here there's a terminal so you can run your own credit card, put in your pin if it's
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a debit card or whatever, put in your affinity card if you've got a club membership or something
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that gives you a discount on some things.
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And so it used to be that it would be there waiting for your credit card and you could
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run your credit card, you could run it through and say, "Okay, I'm ready," before they were
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done ringing up your order. And it got very confused, and you usually have to do it again.
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However, at least at Safeway, where I go supermarket shopping the most often, they've outsmarted
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me. Now, even if I start running my credit card when they've scanned the first two items
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and they've got 50 items left to scan, I can run my credit card through. And what the terminal
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does is it just waits until the checkout says I'm done here's the total and then
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it runs the card and then all I have to do is press the button or put in my pin
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or whatever I need to do but I don't need to run my card again it's just sort
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of holding on to that information because I think they realize that people
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are impatient and want to just run their card right away and not have somebody
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say wait wait wait don't do it yet so they just it just it's working around
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the human desire to jump the gun in terms of swiping the credit card and now
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it just caches that temporarily until the the clerk presses the total button
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and then it runs the card. So it's interesting. So that's what I mean.
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Here with chip and pin you just have to wait. If you try and use your
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card in any way it will just fail and if you like put your card in before it
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tells you to put the card in whilst the transaction is in process it will also
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fail. Yeah it's literally the person rings you up, you wait and it
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it says please insert your card, you then insert your card and the transaction begins.
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So you can understand then, the equivalent of that is what happened to me with the hot
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dog for Apple Pay, which is, it looked like he was at the end of the transaction so I
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got out my phone and went beep, and then he was like no no wait wait wait, and then he
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pressed a couple buttons and then I did it again and then it cleared.
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So I think you could change the software around so it will accept that, because it's not like
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you're, I don't know if you're actually approving a specific amount when you do Apple Pay, I
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you're just sort of approving that it happened? I don't know. I don't know. It's interesting.
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This is fascinating just from a purely social and sort of like what your script is when you purchase
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something aspect separate from the technology that it like upsets our recipe for how we buy things.
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So to answer that question that you asked, this is one of the reasons why I'm going to
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keep using Apple Pay is not only do I think it's kind of cool and I want to do it, but also I want
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I want to have this experience of,
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so I can write about it probably,
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of what happens in these situations
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and how does it change what you do
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and could there be ways to make it better or worse?
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And so I can at least tell that to myself
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that I'm using Apple Pay for research and not anything else.
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Related to this, by the way, we have,
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we also in the chat room,
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there's some real-time follow-up
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or a real-time question Brian Hamilton
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was asking about loyalty cards and credit cards.
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My understanding is that Apple Pay can transmit
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your loyalty card at the same time
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that it transmits your credit card.
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It can actually say, "Oh, I'm at Safeway.
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"Here's my Club Card ID, and now here's my Credit Card ID."
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Or that you might be able to pick one or the other.
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It's capable of it.
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I'm not sure anything has been implemented yet.
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So I'm not sure they actually are doing that yet,
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but I had an Apple person at the Apple event
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where they unveiled this say that you could piggyback
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affinity card stuff on top of credit card stuff, which is cool, because then instead of running two cards,
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you're just going "beep" and it says "oh, I know you're Jason and you get these coupons and now I'll charge your credit card and we're done."
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Which is exciting.
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The ability to have the loyalty cards attached and used automatically, I find interesting, more appealing than just using my credit card or debit card.
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Right, it saves you another step.
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Yeah, and also... Just doing it incrementally better.
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I would be more likely to sign up for loyalty cards if I then didn't have to carry them around
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and I used them every time automatically.
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I never carry them around. It turns out usually you can give them your phone number
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and then you just put in your phone number and that works.
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But I would much rather just have it be in there and know that my loyalty cards are in there.
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Related to this, by the way, another piece of follow-up, since we're still doing follow-up,
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believe it or not, Lister Tim wrote in to say,
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He's not bugged about extra stuff like Office Depot asking if I want my receipt emailed
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or even entering in a prompt confirming the amount that he wants to spend, or Walgreens
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asking for his phone number for the store rewards program.
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What he wants is not to have to enter his PIN, and I've heard this from people.
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He said, "I've already used my super cool guy Uber phone to make the payment.
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Don't make me slog through the plebeian mud of a PIN number."
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This is one of the great questions that a lot of people have had about Apple Pay, which
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is verification.
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The fact is, my understanding is that Apple Pay, because it's the one-time charge, because
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you've got your thumbprint, it's... no other validation is required by the service, that
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it's the equivalent of putting in a pin.
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The problem is that a lot of these systems have policies put into them, I think by the
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stores, saying above a certain amount you need to validate.
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And so I've heard people say they paid with Apple Pay but they had to put in a pin, or
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they paid with Apple Pay but they had to sign something.
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And I think my understanding is that in the long run this probably won't need to happen
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because I believe what Apple Pay is supposed to be transmitting is basically saying this
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is verified, you're good, and don't ask for anything.
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But the software in a lot of these places is set to ask above $25 or $50 or $100.
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And so it'll be interesting to watch this and see whether this can get resolved because
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it becomes much less exciting to do Apple Pay
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if, you know, you were just saying,
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if it eliminates a step, it makes it more interesting.
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Some of these cases, it's adding steps back in
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from the old way, at which point, why even bother, right?
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If you have to put in your phone number
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and put in your PIN number and sign something
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and all these things, then why did I even use Apple Pay?
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So it'll be interesting to see.
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I have never had to do anything but go, boop,
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but I've also never bought anything more expensive
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than peanut butter or a hot dog.
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- Does Apple Pay-- - Don't have
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peanut butter hot dog by the way, that's a bad, bad meal, don't do that.
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Especially if you're allergic like me. The hot dogs are a peanut butter.
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Yes, you especially.
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I'm allergic to peanuts.
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Poor Myke, the hot dog allergy is the worst.
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So bad. Do you know if Apple Pay has a limit on transactions? I don't recall seeing this
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I think it's only whatever your credit card limit is, but I think that individual stores
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can have a policy on it. So if you went into the Apple Store even and bought $2,000 worth
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of equipment with it, they might have you pay for that. I had somebody tell me that
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they had to sign something at an Apple Store and we thought he was crazy on Twitter. Glenn
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Fleischman and I sort of engaged him and what. And you know, his fault was he said, "Apple
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Pay is stupid because you always have to sign." And we said, "You don't have to sign." He
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said, "Well, I had to sign once." I was like, "Okay, that's not always. That's once."
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I haven't used it once. I know.
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know, forget it Myke, it's Twitter. This stuff happens on Twitter. But it is an interesting
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wrinkle that, you know, individual stores may ask you for more information. But like
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I said, technically I believe the Apple Pay thing is at that other tier of fraud prevention
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where they basically said, look, this has been verified and you don't need a signature
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or a PIN or something like that. Because the reason the stores do that is to protect themselves
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against fraud. If they ask and there's still fraud, then it's off of their plate a little
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bit more. They've gathered more information. But my understanding is that Apple Pay actually
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means you don't need to do that, but they still may. And for a while they might, just
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because of policy or because of technical limitations, it's possible that some readers
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only just know that it's a card number. And if you tapped your NFC credit card to make
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a purchase and it was for $5,000, they may just have a policy that, no, we really need
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to see your you know your ID and your you need to sign or put in your pin or
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whatever it is so it'll be interesting to see how that pans out over time.
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Most definitely. Mr. Snell I would like to take a moment to thank our friends. Our
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friends. Our new friends at Backblaze. I want to talk about Backblaze. I'm a big
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fan of Backblaze. I have come to fall in love with them recently. They've
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been helping me out, not just by... Does your girlfriend know? Yeah, I mean she's
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okay with it. So are these aren't even our friends, these are like our loved ones at
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Blackblaze, it's that good. It is, it is. Do you know why, Jason? I'm looking at it,
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I'm looking at it right now in my menu bar. I do know why, but why don't you tell the
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listeners why? I'm gonna tell you why, Jason, because it's time to upgrade your backup strategy.
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Oh, good. If you're not backing up your data at all, you have to change this. And if you're
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If you're just backing up locally, even if you have like a an omni-focus task to remind
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you to do it twice daily and swap out the drives, you still need to listen to what I'm
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about to tell you.
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What if there was a fire?
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What if there was a flood?
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You'd lose your backup anyway.
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It'll be gone.
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If it's not backed up, off-site and in the cloud, you need to address this.
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And this is where Backblaze can help you.
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and made available online via the Backblaze web and mobile apps for Android and iPhone.
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Even if you have a slow connection like I do, this is something you should do.
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So yes, the first backup can take a while, multiple days, weeks maybe in some instances,
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but it's just a minor inconvenience on your machine that you will have for that period of
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time. You can set schedules for when you want the backups to occur, you can set
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upload limits, you can set like if you want to throttle it you can. Backblaze
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offers unthrottled backup but you can put your own throttles on if you want to
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keep the load and your connection down.
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And you can very easily just pause the backup if you need it from the menu bar
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or from system preferences if you live in there. And once you've got
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that first backup out of the way, everything else will back up super fast,
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simple in the background you can set it so when you don't even ever see it and
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then what you'll have is the peace of mind that all of your files are safe and
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just better because before backblaze I didn't have a good backup strategy
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now I feel a lot better about it.
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And if I knock another drink into my laptop,
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then I won't be concerned.
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I did think when I was working with Backblaze
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and these URLs that our shows,
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it may be difficult for some of our sponsors
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to just have /upgrade,
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'cause they're probably already using it.
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But hey, that's why we have /upgradepodcast.
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So there are no add-ons, gimmicks, or additional charges
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So go to backblaze.com/upgrade podcast,
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and you'll be helping support this show.
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Thank you so much to Backblaze
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for their support of Relay FM and Upgrade.
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We have a little more feedback,
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but I'll try to move quickly through this
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because we have been doing all feedback.
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We are becoming more like ATP all the time.
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Just it's all feedback.
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That's good. It's a good problem to be more like ATP.
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We would have to find a Casey,
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or would we have to find a Marco,
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or would we have to find a John?
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I leave it to the listener to decide which one of us
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is Marco, John, and Casey, and who our third would be.
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Fantasy casting upgrade as a three-person podcast.
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I look forward to your feedback
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in our fantasy casting vertical next week.
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Lister JP wrote in.
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JP is blind.
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He says, "Shopping is always hard.
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Card readers at retail establishments
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are never blind friendly.
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Shopping has never been secure for somebody who's blind.
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They often require assistance from a clerk.
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Every time his card or pin leaves him, he's at risk.
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Even if the clerk is completely honest."
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He says, "Apple Pay makes this a distant memory.
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It's 100% accessible.
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I can use my cards without assistance,
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which makes it more secure to me.
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It allows me independence."
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And then obviously companies like Best Buy and Walmart
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who are trying to turn off Apple Pay,
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he says they're actually turning their heads away
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from disabled customers.
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I thought it was really interesting,
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Stephen Aquino who writes about accessibility or not,
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wrote a really quick post on his site about this too.
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Apple Pay is an accessible feature
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that actually makes life better for people
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who are blind in this case.
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And I thought that was really an interesting angle.
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So thank you JP for sharing that.
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I thought that was really great.
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Listener Colon wrote in just to say,
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we talked about, this is not about Apple Pay,
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we talked about a beta app review a week or two ago.
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And we were complaining about how,
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since they need to app review betas for TestFlight,
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which has launched now as part of Apple,
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but TestFlight app is out there and all of that,
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if you're beta testing apps,
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we thought that was ridiculous
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that you had to app review betas
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and who was gonna do that?
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Listener Colon wrote in just to say,
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he got beta app review for his app
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and it took about two hours,
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much faster than a normal review.
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So it may be beta app review with something programmatic
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where they're running a scanner on it
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just to make sure that nothing particularly notably,
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you know, automatively bad can be found.
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And if so, that's great.
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That's great news.
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I look forward to seeing how people use TestFlight
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because it has this huge benefit
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of being able to attach to Apple IDs instead of device IDs
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so that when people upgrade their devices,
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you run out of slots for beta testers.
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So now it'll be the person with their Apple ID as your beta tester.
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And if they get a new device, if they drop their phone and have to get a new one, you
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don't have to do anything.
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They just log in with their Apple ID and they're back on your beta list, which is really cool.
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So that was great news from Listener Colon.
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I have a quick question about that.
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I want to get your opinion.
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If it is the case that it is just going through a machine and then the machine spits out the
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approved, should Apple communicate this so people can set their expectations that it's
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it's not gonna be a two week delay?
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Or should they not because then you might as well
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just not have it done like that in the first place
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'cause people will still abuse it maybe.
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- I don't know.
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I mean, I like the idea that it's less
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because we said it was untenable if it's more.
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And right, the standards can be lower.
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The bar can be lower for the beta app review.
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So I like this news because it suggests to me
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that beta app review is perfunctory,
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that it is automated, it's basic,
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it's like, let's do a sanity check
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before we let you send this thing out.
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Because if it's so crazy that it's breaking things
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that this thing finds,
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you should not distribute it to your beta testers
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'cause you will kill them, which is good.
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That is a good thing,
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instead of it being like a full on app review kind of thing,
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which would be really annoying.
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So I think it's good.
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Also the percentage of people
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who actually do beta testing of apps is so low
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that most people are never gonna care.
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but as somebody who beta tests apps,
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I think this is really great
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that the turnaround was so fast
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because the prospect of not having to register
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all my devices is really exciting
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'cause that really was terrible.
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Like I dropped my iPad and I had to write
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to everybody whose apps I was beta testing
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and say, I'm so sorry.
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If you want me to not beta test your app, that's fine.
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I understand, but here's my new UDID
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for this new iPad that's my replacement.
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And then they have to enter it in
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and they lose a slot and it's terrible.
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So this is better.
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This is better.
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- There's no reason in my mind where it shouldn't be
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that if you can just delete someone,
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like I just can't get my head around it.
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- It's paranoia.
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They are concerned about beta testing being used
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as an external app store.
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That's what it is.
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It's like you add somebody, you give them--
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- Sorry, it's like to delete a UDID that I don't know,
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I probably can't, but if you could, you know,
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somehow then just cut that device off.
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I don't know how that would happen, but you know.
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- I don't know.
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Well, if this works, then we won't have to worry about it,
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'cause it won't be per device, it'll be per person,
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which always has made more sense.
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- If you have, you listener, ahoy listener,
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if you've had-- - Ahoy listener.
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- Ahoy listener, if you've, like Colin,
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if you've had anything, if you put an app through it
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and it's gone through quicker than usual
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through the test flight process,
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please contact us and let us know.
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- All right.
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Listener Brian Hamilton in the chat room, by the way.
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listen to Brian, says that I'm John and you're Casey.
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That's not bad.
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- No, probably how I would have gone actually.
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- But do we need a Marco then?
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Can you find another Marco?
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- I don't know.
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I have talked about having guests on this show
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from time to time, so that would be interesting
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to see how that changes the dynamic.
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But we gotta get up to speed ourselves before we get there.
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- Maybe we just bring Marco on.
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- Yeah, sure.
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Let's try him out as a Marco,
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see what kind of a Marco Marco is.
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I got a couple of Twitter things
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that I wanted to throw in here.
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Mentions to @_upgradefm, our Twitter account.
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This is a Hoy telephone related, these both of these.
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Leon, listener Leon says, the best way, Leon, I don't know,
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L-E-O-N, the best way I've encountered to activate Siri
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to say hello telephone is to use the song we built this city by Starship. You know that
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one Myke? Do you know that song? Well of course we built it on rock and roll. That's right.
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That song's not going to be in my head for the next week and a half. So thank you. Well
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it's gonna activate the Siri in your mind. Just think ahoy telephone as you listen. And
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And then listener Connor wrote in with a,
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he sent us a little video that basically is him
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saying a Hoy telephone at the Apple store
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and activating phones there with it.
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I mean, not saying a Hoy telephone, obviously,
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we're not gonna say what he actually said,
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but it activated the phones there.
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What's funny about the video is that he sort of
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almost whispered it and the video only shows
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two phones activating.
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And when I asked him about that, he basically said,
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"Well, I didn't wanna shout it 'cause I thought
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that they would think I was a crazy person."
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which maybe so--
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- But what Connor-- - But thank you to Connor.
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- He has answered our question from last week
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that it is on and-- - It is on.
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- Yeah, so have at it.
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- Yeah, so I've got one more item of feedback
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which isn't quite feedback, but I just wanted to mention it.
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I don't wanna spend too much time dwelling on it.
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Anybody who's listened to ATP has heard
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some really great discussion, mostly from John about this,
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but I just wanted to mention because Brianna Wu
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is somebody who's been on my podcast a lot
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and she, if you don't know, got some death threats
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and had to move out of her house
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and it's all related to "Gamergate."
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I wanted to just say, first off,
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I wanted to send all my best wishes to Brianna.
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She's great.
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I've never met her in person,
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but she's been great on the podcasts and on Twitter.
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And I really appreciate working with her
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and look forward to working with her more in the future.
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And about the "Gamergate" thing,
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I'm not really a gamer.
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I'm kind of a fake gamer.
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What I would say is it's really dispiriting.
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And John Syracuse's, everything that he said on ATP
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is pretty much what I think.
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It's really sad to see people making threats,
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attacking people, bullying people,
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and essentially using troll tactics on the internet
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to silence discussion of issues that they don't agree with.
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And the fact that I approached this on this show
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with some trepidation shows that this is actually
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what they're trying to do.
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They're trying to make it so inconvenient
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to talk about these issues
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that everybody just shuts up about them.
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And I definitely feel uncomfortable about it and I've been hammered on Twitter
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by expressing relatively mild things about
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"Gamergate" by the trolls and their sock puppets.
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Which, boy, trolls and sock puppets sound so much more fun than it actually is.
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Wouldn't that be a great game?
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Like, sock puppets that just kill trolls or something? I don't know.
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Anyway, it's really a dispiriting way where the darkest parts of the internet get used
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by people who have agendas that are not related to
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What the gamer gate is supposedly about to attack people mostly women?
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to push forward an agenda that is mostly anti woman and
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Has some pretty serious political undertones as well that they will deny
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It's you know, I don't know. I don't know what more to say other than
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People like Brianna have my full support. I feel like gaming is a powerful enough cultural force that it can
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Take a whole lot of cultural criticism
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Games make more money than big budget motion pictures
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People who like games are not an endangered species. They are in fact
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among the most catered to people on the planet and
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When you you know, you've got it good when people start to criticize you and being criticized isn't fun
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But it's also a sign you made it and then you got to act
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You've got to act it the right way when people criticize you and learn to deal with the criticism and maybe
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even listen to it and use it to learn about yourself and
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Grow and I do believe actually that one of the reasons all this gamergate stuff is happening
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I've seen it in some other areas again. I
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I really don't like to get political because that's not what I'm here for and although I have opinions
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They're fairly moderate in nature and they're for sure to outrage the most outrageable people on either side of me
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but I feel like this is similar to something like gay marriage which
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well in this country is tipping rapidly toward being accepted almost everywhere and
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That's when people get the most angry is when they see that they're on the wrong side and that the world is changing and some of
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their well-held-to beliefs are going to go away, that women are part of gaming and aren't
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going to go away, and can't just be used as toys in video games.
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And of course people are going to react badly when they realize that the arc of history
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is bending away from them.
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And I'd like to think that's what we're seeing now.
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And I'm not excusing behavior, I'm saying it explains why they're so vociferous about
00:39:23
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it is that they know they're losing it and they're gonna lose it.
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And they're just gonna go out in a blaze of infamy, I guess?
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Anyway, it really upsets me that somebody as cool as Brianna Wu could get chased out
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of her home because she has an opinion about how women should have opportunities in video
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games, like of all the things, to be chased out of your home about that. Very
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upsetting. So anyway, yeah, there it is. Go listen to ATP After Show from last week.
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Jon did a great job. Jon Siracusa is a marvel because he is the most...
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I think what I say is that he's a computer programmer with the soul of an
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artist. He's... and he did get art training. He's a very empathetic person and I
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I think that's one of the reasons why people love him,
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'cause he brings a giant bowl of empathy with him
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when he talks about technical issues,
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and that mixture is amazing.
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And he has done a great job talking about this.
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Very, I mean, he wouldn't say that.
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He'd be like, "Oh, well, I botched it.
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"I talked about this and that,
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"and you should read this article."
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But I think he actually does a very good job
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of getting to the heart of why some of these people
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are so angry and why we should pity them
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more than anything else,
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because they obviously have terrible things happening
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that have caused them to act this way.
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doesn't excuse them but that empathy is interesting to say you know for somebody
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to behave like this they really have to be in pain and messed up and that's sad
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and anyway so all my best to Brianna and everybody else who's been affected by
00:40:57
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the gamergate crap because it's a it's a real shame that we live in a world where
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stuff like that can happen. Me and Federica took a bit of time to
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discuss gamergate on episode 9 of virtual on this fine podcast network
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I agree with the fact that like, Jon is empathetic. I am not so much and kind of
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just questioned the terrible side of humanity for a bit. Federico does a
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great- if you don't really understand Gamergate and this whole thing
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that's happening, because it is very complex, Federico on the episode did a
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very very good job of going back to the beginning and explaining it. So he spoke
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for about half an hour or 40 minutes or so explaining everything, then I basically shouted
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for 10 minutes, so if that's the kind of thing that you'd like to hear, you should go and
00:41:50
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check that out, and that's in our show notes for today, as well as that fantastic episode
00:41:53
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of ATP as well.
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It's all after the show, or the end theme song, it's all in the post show for ATP, because
00:42:01
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they like to do it that way, but it's a good, you know, I like to hear John, it's largely
00:42:06
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it's John trying to understand why, and list all the reasons why this is bad, but also
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of why it happens. And then it's Casey just being like you, actually, you guys, and this
00:42:14
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is why you do the show about the feels too. And Casey just being like, I don't understand
00:42:18
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it. It really makes me angry, you know, like, which is an absolutely natural response. And
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for me, I learned a long time ago that I'm a conflict avoider. I like everybody to get
00:42:25
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along. Let's just not. And so something like this is really difficult because it, uh, your
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choices between avoiding conflict and saying nothing and allowing it to go and go on or
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saying something and getting hit with the conflict. And that's why I said, you know,
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One of the ways that this is insidious is all the sock puppets, all the anger, what
00:42:45
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they're trying to do is get people to stop talking about it, because that's one of the
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goals, is don't talk about it.
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Try to divert people, try to make people just want to avoid the subject.
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And essentially what that's doing is saying, "We want people to shut up about this, so
00:43:01
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we're going to make life miserable for them until they shut up."
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And as much as I like to avoid conflict, if that's the alternative, then I can't do that.
00:43:11
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Because that's a line too far, and somebody I know and have positive feelings toward is
00:43:17
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like on the run now because she had an opinion about video games.
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And I can't be silent.
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So for what it's worth...
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I don't know if I did mention this in virtual, but I wanted to...
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amount of respect I have for Brianna because I know that if I was in her situation I would
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Yeah it would be so easy to do that and she said that. I mean fortunately, and I say this
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with actually a great deal of affection, Brianna doesn't back down from anything. She's happy
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to be kind of a loudmouth and get pissed off and good for her because it takes people like
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that because there are a whole lot of other people who feel the same way who just, you
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know, they look at her like, "Why am I doing this?" And for her, she is
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saying, "I am spending huge amounts of time. I am affecting my life, but I'm
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doing it for the future of an industry that she loves." Also, that's the other
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thing is she gets attacked for like not being really into games. It's like, she
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loves games so much that she is willing to do this, because she wants
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other girls growing up to be able to feel more welcome
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in this industry and even just playing games.
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And she knows that that's not gonna happen
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unless the women in games today say something.
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And so full credit to her 'cause yeah, I'm with you.
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I mean, it makes me, I get, ugh, I hate it.
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I hate even talking about it,
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but you can't not talk about it
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because that's what they want you to do
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is not talk about it.
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And I think that the reason that we are talking about it now
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is because of Brianna, because she is making it
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that it cannot be avoided, and that's how it should be.
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You mentioned this, right?
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She is bringing this out now,
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and is basically putting us in a position
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where we have to talk about this,
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because it's like, I can't stand by now
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and watch this unfold as it is.
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It makes me feel sick.
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- Well, she sent out something very pointed,
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where she was like, I expected more Apple-related bloggers
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and podcast hosts to talk about this issue
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and a lot of them have been silent.
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And I wrote back to her and I said,
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well, when the death threats and stuff happened,
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I wrote a thing on Six Colors about it,
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but I haven't mentioned it on my podcast
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and I will rectify that tomorrow and that's today.
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And there it is.
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And maybe we'll talk more about it.
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The only other thing I'll say about Gamergate
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is if it's about ethics and journalism,
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it's doing a really lousy job
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because there are lots of issues
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and this is well-documented,
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there are lots of great issues about true ethical issues
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with games journalism in particular
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and you could broaden it to even more other aspects
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of journalism including tech journalism if you'd like.
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But yet, you know, that's not what it's about
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because if it was about those things,
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we would actually be seeing things that address
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all of the issues of ethics and journalism.
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Instead, it's conspiracy theories and attacks
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and misogyny and people being used as in the phrase as convenient idiots people being used
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by people with ulterior motives and lied to and pointed in directions that they might
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not go if they knew the whole story and it's sad but it's not about ethics because there
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are lots of ethical issues and journalism and these people aren't addressing them they're
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just spinning conspiracy theories and attacking people sad.
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So Myke, ahoy telephone!
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Let me take a shower, I'll be right back.
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Do you want to take a break here?
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Yeah, let's take a break and we'll come back with something awesome.
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After a word from some friends of ours, I bet.
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Let's reset and talk about Igloo.
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We love Igloo.
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Igloo is an internet you'll actually like.
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Hulu is built from the ground up for people that have had to use intranet products. It
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is built to be the complete opposite of what you are used to. It's actually built to be
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easy to use, which is not always a thing for intranet products. It has fantastic apps like
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you're used to. It has stuff like shared calendars, Twitter-like micro-blogs, file sharing, task
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management. It's the full solution that you'd want in a product that's supposed to make
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you more connected and productive with your co-workers.
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That's what igloo is all about.
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It helps you work better together with the people you work with.
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You are easily able to do things like co-author documents.
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Maybe you want to share status updates on what the food truck outside is serving today.
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Or maybe you want to be able to manage your projects easily with the people that you work
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with all in one place.
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You can do all that with igloo.
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If someone makes changes to an item in igloo, they send out notifications and you choose
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the way you want to receive them, which is really great. The types of things you want
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to receive notifications for, how do you want to get them. That's the sort of stuff you
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can finally hone and make to be the exact way that you want. This keeps you up to date
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with everything. All items like documents that you save have a complete version history
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maintained. This keeps you in touch with everyone and in case crazy Annie decides to delete
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that thing from the spreadsheet that you put in the other day, you're going to be able
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to get it all back again.
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Gartner, I love this bit, released their famed report, "The Magic Quadrant for Social Software
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in the Workplace," and Igloo appears on this report for the sixth consecutive year, alongside
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Microsoft, IBM, Google, and SAP.
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Jason, would you like to hear an excerpt from the Gartner profile of Igloo?
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Would I, Myke?
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Well, let me tell you.
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Feedback from Igloo's reference customers was consistently positive.
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They praised the product's quick deployment, configuration, and customization flexibility
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with self-service options for non-technical users, control over branding and information
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organization ease of use.
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They also praised the responsiveness of igloo as a whole organization.
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Basically what this is, if you need me to help you sift through that, is igloo is really
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easy to set up, even for people that are not that technical, you can very easily customize
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it and make it fit with part of your business, you have complete control over it and it's
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super awesome.
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I don't know what more you need than that.
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If your company has legacy internet software built on SharePoint or old portal technology,
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you should be giving igloo a try.
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Quite frankly, you should be trying them if you're in any business because they're free
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to use with up to 10 people and you can sign up right now at igloosoftware.com/upgrade.
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Thank you so much to igloo for the support of this show and all of Relay FM.
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Before we get to the Retina iMac, which is our next discussion today, I want to tell
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you about one other little quick thing.
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Very quick, at Real AFM we want to make sure that we're connecting you, the listener, with
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Yes, you know, Myke, not to make you all feel guilty, but Myke and I recently left our jobs
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I don't think we're gonna talk about the Kindle. Oh no no!
00:51:45
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Well what do you what so well the Kindle the Kindle has lasted this long it could
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last another week if we need to. The fact is there's so much going on now.
00:51:55
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Somebody was telling me, you know, "Wow, you've been doing a lot of stuff lately."
00:51:58
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I was like, "Well, yeah, I happen to launch my new site and my new podcast right as
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Apple does like its busiest six weeks of the year, which is now, where all the new
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things are coming out." And, you know, in April, plenty of time, but right now
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things are crazy. So if we don't get to the Kindle this week, you know, we will
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get to it and I I've only you know used it for a couple of days so if I learn
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more about it and we give it the room that it deserves then so be it. In April
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we'll really be exploring the verticals. Oh man, it may be vertical month.
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Hey Jason what did you have for lunch today? Lunch vertical, important food
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related vertical. Okay what do you want to know about the about the retina iMac?
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I've had it for a week. My review went up on Six Colors last Friday, Thursday, somewhere in there.
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And so it's right behind me, as it was when we recorded the last episode, but I'd only
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turned it on then. So what would you like to know? So how have you, you haven't had a retina
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computer before have you? You haven't had a retina Mac before? No, I've used a retina MacBook Pro a
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a little bit, but I've never had one
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as my main system before.
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- So how have you found using Retina just day to day?
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- That's a good question.
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- So let me tell you my feelings.
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Let's see if I can try to say it.
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- Yes, please.
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- 'Cause I have a Retina MacBook Pro
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and I've been using a Retina MacBook Pro
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for over a year at least.
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And I kind of find it to be here and there.
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So it's easy for me to forget that it has Retina
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because I use Retina devices all the time.
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So it's just like, this is a screen that I like.
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Anything less than this is just a bad screen
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and these are all just like standard screens.
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But I still have a bunch of apps that aren't Retina ready.
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Microsoft Word, which I do have to use sometimes
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and it's just a mess, like just horrible.
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- Microsoft Word really still doesn't have Retina text
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display? The text in the documents is but like everything else.
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All the art and stuff is not written? Just everything is not written
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already. I'm opening it right now just to confirm all of that but yeah no it's
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definitely not I can see it as soon as I open the app. It's a real sorry state of
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affairs there but anyway so I mean so and also you know there there are parts
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of the web as well which don't look great on these devices I can only assume
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assume that it's interesting on a screen of that size.
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So how have you found it to be day to day?
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- It's a fast Mac and that's good.
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And the screen is beautiful.
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I mean, the Mac retina experience is what it is.
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So if you've seen, especially Yosemite on a random MacBook
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Pro or something like that, you've seen it.
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And it's very nice.
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And the images are arresting because you're used to seeing
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a certain resolution for images.
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And it's almost like they're deeper somehow
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that you look at it and it's just the same size
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and yet somehow there's more in it
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because there's literally much more information
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in that picture.
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They're little tiny details that would previously
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have just been washed away.
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It's a little bit like going from, you know,
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standard def to high def for TV or something like that
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where the picture is the same
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except the details are completely different.
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So if you've seen a Retina MacBook Pro, you've seen it,
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except that it's sort of the screen
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is the size of four of those screens.
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But it's, I don't know, it's beautiful.
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Is it necessary?
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I had some people tell me that they thought it was.
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I think like, if you're a designer,
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if you're a photographer, it's necessary.
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You should get one.
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If you're not, then it's, or like a video editor,
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if you're not, it's nice.
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And eventually they'll all be like this.
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Is it necessary?
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Eh, probably not.
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But for me, the niceness plus the fact that I'm in the market
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for a faster computer and this iMac is,
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other than some of the higher end Mac Pros
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for multi-threaded processing power,
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this is the fastest Mac around.
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And you can get one for $500 to start,
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$500 less than a MacBook Pro
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and it comes with the 27 inch retina display.
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So it's a pretty good deal for somebody
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who thinks of themselves as a power user of a Mac
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who wants a desktop system with a big screen,
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if you can afford it, it's a good deal.
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It's still an expensive computer at 2,500,
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but if you can afford it, it's a pretty good deal
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because you're getting that screen
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and you're getting a lot of power.
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This is not a halfway kind of system.
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The processor and the GPU are pretty impressive.
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- I think maybe if you're thinking about
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what's necessary, potentially a,
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the power is more necessary than the retina.
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- I agree. - Most people.
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- The reason that I wanted, well, there are two reasons.
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One, I think I mentioned this last week,
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is what Dan Morin's calling our rich uncle who died
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and left us some money, which is that our former employer
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has as one of our farewell parting gifts,
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has given us some money toward a computer
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to get us on our way and get us on our feet
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and stop eating beans out of a can.
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And in order to do that,
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you gotta buy it within like three months or something.
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So I'm in the market for a computer is what I'm saying.
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And I also discovered when we were trying to do
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some live streaming of the Dungeons and Dragons podcast
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I do over on the incomparable called Total Party Kill,
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that my little dual core MacBook Air cannot compress video
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and stream it on the fly.
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It can't do that.
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- Oh, just saying.
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So I'm in the market for more computing power.
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And as we said last week, with that quad core
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that our good listener Shep tells you not,
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you know, that you should find remaindered somewhere.
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With that off the price list,
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if I want a new Mac, my choices are narrowed.
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And so I look at this system and I think,
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well, I got some money coming from my former employer.
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I need a fast system.
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I want a quad core processor.
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And yeah, so the processor makes it necessary.
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and then the screen makes it nice.
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- Yeah, I had the question about the,
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if I can, you know, your rich uncle.
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Did they assume that nobody had,
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did you all have computers that were provided
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by the company?
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Or did they assume nobody has computers or something?
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- Actually, we all did have computers
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provided by the company.
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That is the case.
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The company provides you with a computer to work with.
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So I think part of what they were saying here
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is and the way it's tasked is they say something like it's you can either take it as job training.
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Again, some of these outplacement things are very strange and they come from
00:59:07
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industries that are different from our industries. So it may be like we're more like we're steel
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workers than we're writers. Although you could argue that that journalism maybe is doomed in
00:59:20
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industry as being a steel worker. So you could do like job retraining from a couple of different job
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retraining firms, or you can put the money toward equipment and material that would help you with
00:59:31
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your future career path. And one of those was, very specifically was, you could buy a computer.
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And I think it's great that they're that flexible about it. Like we can get you set up with something
00:59:40
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that you can use to look for a job or do a job, and we'll pitch in with that. And so, for my
00:59:47
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former colleagues who left IDG, that's one of the benefits that we get as part of our departure,
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which is which is really nice and so I you know we need to take advantage of that so Dan bought like
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a MacBook Air and uh maybe an iPad or something and I'm gonna buy this this iMac I bought it
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I ordered it what would you have developed the forum to get reimbursed for it what would you
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have retrained as like what industry would you have retrained into if you were going to use it
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for retraining lessons? Like circus or something? I think I have no other useful skills. So
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if I went to the circus I'd have to be the guy, one of the announcers. I could do that.
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Presenting now! Maybe not. You know, I don't know. This is what I do. So I'm sure somebody
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in the, you know, what is the line from Ghostbusters in the hospitality or food service industry?
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Yeah. Or, you know, I hear steel work is nice.
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At this time of year. You mentioned something, I just need, I feel like I need a bit of clarification
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on this technically if you can. This is from your view, a great review of the Rettner iMac.
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The iMac's got one in three times the pixels
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as the 15-inch MacBook Pro.
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Explain to me, is this just the space on screen?
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Because the PPI is similar enough, right?
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The 15-inch Retina MacBook Pro has a higher PPI at 227
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than the iMac does at about 200, if my Googling is correct.
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So I'm assuming there that what you're saying is
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it's just bigger, right?
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So it's better because it's bigger.
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Is that what, am I right in thinking that
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or is it more than that?
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- Yeah, and I think I went back,
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I changed this section so I may have changed it,
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but basically the 15 inch MacBook Pro
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has about 5 million pixels
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and the 13 inch has about 4 million pixels, right?
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And the iMac with retina display has what,
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what did we say?
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14.7 million pixels.
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So it's basically three times as many as the 15 inch
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and more than three times as many as the 13 inch.
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So it's size, the PPI is not that different,
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but like literally if you can think of 15 inch diagonal
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and then 27 inch diagonal is almost double,
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but remember it's not just double
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because it's in two dimensions.
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So it's quadruple, almost quadruple.
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- And so, yeah, it's, yeah, it's 15 megapixels versus five.
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So triple the pixels more or less if you're rounding,
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which is close enough.
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It's size, it's just a huge screen.
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It's so even though the,
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it's not like the type is notably bigger or smaller,
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it's just that there's more of it.
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This is a 27, it's a little bit like the,
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when you go to a place, a showroom that has TVs,
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and you look at a TV and you think,
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"Oh, this isn't that big."
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And then you get it home
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and it doesn't fit through your door
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'cause it's actually huge.
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It was just the context of the showroom
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that made it seem small
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because it was next to an even larger TV.
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The iMac's kind of like that.
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27 inches, it's big, it is huge.
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And until you see it, you kind of forget.
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And then if you put one in the context of your own home,
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then like I have done, it's really big.
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I look at a 24 inch monitor all day.
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So the 27 inches is not much bigger,
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but it is definitely bigger.
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- I assume it just feels bigger as well.
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Like the resolution makes it feel bigger
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than it physically is.
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- Yeah, and it's really bright.
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I mean, you can turn down the brightness obviously,
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but it's a big, bright, super sharp display.
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It's pretty impressive.
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- I imagine kind of when you sit at that computer,
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you know the guy who's sitting in the armchair
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in front of the jet engine with like the listening to,
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you know what I'm talking about, right?
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- On headphones, I know what you're talking about.
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- I imagine that's what you're like sitting
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in front of the brightness of this thing.
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You get in a suntan as you're sitting and working.
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- I did have to scale down the brightness
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and turn on some lights so that I didn't get just, yeah.
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There you go, nerds.
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We'll all just buy a 27-inch iMac,
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so turn up the brightness and we'll talk about that sometimes.
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- Get that iMac tan.
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- Yeah, perfect.
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You mentioned one thing in your review
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about how you felt graphics performance was fine,
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but if you open a lot of windows and spaces
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and use mission control, you see pauses and stuttering.
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I have had this problem on my iMac Pro.
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There is an issue in Yosemite, I believe.
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For example, it's weird.
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If I use the trackpad and I try and swipe between spaces, like I swipe and it kind of
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moves like a quarter of the way and just gets stuck.
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But if I use my magic mouse, it doesn't happen so much.
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One thing that I have found that's helped significantly is turning off transparency,
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which you can do in System Preferences/Accessibility.
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That has pretty much solved the problem.
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I also zapped the PRAM at the suggestion of Stephen Hackett, because that's the kind of
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thing that he's really good at telling me to do.
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tells me to zap the PRAM quite a lot, so I went and did that. It's old school.
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Uh-huh, and it fixed it. The combination of those two things pretty much
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fixed it. So if you are having problems with this on a retina machine, turn off
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transparency. I actually think at the moment I prefer the way Yosemite looks
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without transparency. That's a discussion for another time maybe. Yeah, right
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after we talk about the Kindle. Right after the Kindle, yeah, we'll get to Yosemite
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in about May of next year. But yeah, that's something that I think that's a
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software problem and I think it will probably, well I hope it will be fixed, I really genuinely
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hope it will be fixed because if Apple were testing, I actually don't know how that sort
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of thing gets retesting unless it's like it affects a small percentage of people and then
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I still hope that they fix it because I'm sure they were testing Yosemite on Retina
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Macs. Well yeah, yes I'm sure they were on the Retina MacBook Pro, maybe not on the iMac
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if it was off in a lab somewhere and not announced but yeah, you would think so. And it's variable
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Like if I open a lot of windows,
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it's more stuttery than if I open a few.
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And I saw somebody posted a YouTube video
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that looked horribly stuttery,
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and I didn't experience that when I tried to replicate it.
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So I think there's some strange variability going on here.
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I do think there's some bugs.
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Also individual apps do a better or worse job.
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You pointed out like Microsoft Word has a lot of issues
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not being retina friendly.
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I found out that Logic Pro 10,
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Logic Pro 10 has huge performance issues
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when it's running in retina mode, it'll run,
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but it's all stuttery and like pinching and zooming
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with my track pad, it's laggy and it's stuttery.
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And so here's another tip,
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if you're somebody using a retina Mac of any kind
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and you're unhappy with its performance,
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if you go to the finder and open that app in the finder
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and choose get info, select it and choose get info, command I
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you'll discover a checkbox that you may not know existed
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because it doesn't exist on non-retina Macs.
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And the checkbox is open in low resolution.
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And if you check that box, when you open the app,
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it basically runs it at 1X scaled instead of at 2X retina.
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And when I did that with Logic Pro X, totally worked,
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totally fixed it, no stuttering, no lag.
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But something like iMovie was able to run in 2X
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and scrolling on a timeline and zooming in on a timeline
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and all the things that Logic couldn't do flawlessly.
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So it's Logic's problem, not the IMAX problem,
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but you would think that they would fix that.
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- It's really sad that you have to do that,
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like really sad.
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- I love that that feature's there, right?
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I love that feature.
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It's like, just forget Retina on this app, just forget it.
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Don't even try.
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That's good.
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That's, I like that it exists 'cause it fixed the problem.
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I was gonna edit an episode of "The Incomparable"
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on the Retina iMac.
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And that was what I had to do.
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I had to do get info and set it to low res mode.
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And then it looked normal.
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I mean, as normal as it normally looks, it looked like 1X.
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Didn't look all fancy, but I don't need all fancy.
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I wanted the processor power, not fancy graphics
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for something like Logic 'cause it's audio.
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And that little checkbox solved it.
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- Ah, I just did it with Tweetbot.
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Oh my, oh, this is horrible, Jason.
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- What have I done?
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Well, it's not, you shouldn't try it.
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You should only do it when you need it.
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If there's a problem. - Well, I just wanted to see.
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I just wanted to see what it looked like.
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- Word, maybe.
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Well, no, 'cause you don't want the text to look awful.
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But if you have issues with something looking
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totally broken on retina, you can check the box.
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- I just wanted to see what would happen.
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And now your Twitter is all fuzzy and awful.
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- Yeah, it looks bad.
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Yeah, so for Word, like to give a bit of a real time
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follow up on Word, the text that I type in
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does render correctly, but like menus and toolbars,
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that does not render in retina.
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I can't understand what they're doing.
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It's so confusing to me.
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Okay, we touched on it briefly,
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but do you have any different feelings about Yosemite
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now having used it more extensively on a retina machine?
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if you haven't already, I mean, when you reviewed,
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were you using a retina machine at all?
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- Well, I have, so my Yosemite reference system
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is a retina MacBook Pro that is a loan from Apple.
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So that's been my experience with retina,
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has been on that system.
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- Right, so you kind of, your feelings remain the same
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in essence about it.
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- Yeah, it is.
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I mean, the experience is not any different
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running it on an iMac than running it on a MacBook Pro,
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other than that you've gone from a smaller screen
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to a bigger screen.
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And Yosemite, you know, that Helvetica Neue light is a way,
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actually the way I would put it,
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when I was booting up the Retina iMac,
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I was looking at that font and I thought, wow,
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that font is, that's sharp enough,
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it could cut you by looking at it.
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And I think there's, I mean, it is so sharp.
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Whereas on a regular screen, it's a font, it's there.
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But on the retina screens, it's super thin and sharp
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and it looks great.
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And yet also, it looks like a font
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that is designed for that kind of a screen
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because it's just super thin and it's very impressive.
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So, I don't know, it's a Mac.
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Eventually all Macs are gonna be like that,
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but it looks great.
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And then I turned, I pivoted from my iMac
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to my regular display while working on the review
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and had one of those moments where I was just like, ah!
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Like there's a film across my, what happened to my screen?
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It's all messed up now.
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And then after like 10 minutes it went away
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and it seems normal again.
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And then I look at the retina display and I go, ah!
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What happened?
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And every time.
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So you get used to it.
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- The future of Apple Computers Incorporated
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It's to go all retina, I assume, everywhere.
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Everything will be retina.
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- I mean, it's safe to assume where we stand right now.
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There will be, you know, all of the laptops will be retina,
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there will be retina as, you know,
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we don't know when that will happen.
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There will be a retina cinema display,
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the Mac Pro will be able to drive it, et cetera, et cetera.
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- It will happen.
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- But you know, you look at these things,
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you're like, okay, screens are better now
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than they were previously before retina.
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Pre-retina screens were better than, like, you know,
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lower resolution screens before it.
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Can we go any further than Retina?
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Like I know it's a dumb thing to say like,
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this four megabytes of RAM is all I'll ever need.
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But I mean, what point is it just like,
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okay, the changes you're making,
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people just can't see them anymore.
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- Further than Retina.
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- Well, we've done that with the iPhones, right?
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We have Retina HD now,
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because it wasn't high definition enough.
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- Well, I mean, I think that is the answer
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about what you get when you go further.
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You don't, I don't think beyond the point
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at which you can't see the dots,
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you don't get anything as a user,
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except flexibility in what screen size you see.
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So the idea with the iPhone 6 Plus is,
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unless you are a really sharp-eyed
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and picky designer, essentially,
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or John Syracuse, I suppose.
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You can't tell it,
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you can't tell, but the iPhone 6 Plus screen is scaled,
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right, it's 3X scaled down.
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And the reason you can do that is that screen
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is high resolution enough that when you scale,
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it used to be if you scaled down an interface,
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you could see it was all fuzzy
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because you could see the dots that kind of fuzzed it out.
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But when the dots are all too small to see individually,
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the fuzz kind of just fades away
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and you can't see the fuzz.
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You just see what it wants you to see,
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which is a scaled interface.
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So that would be the advantage in all of these devices
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of getting higher resolution is having an infinite number
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or maybe not infinite, but you know,
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a very large number of different resolutions
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that you could scale to.
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So you could basically say,
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I want everything to be a little bit bigger
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or a little bit smaller,
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and it would all still look clear.
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Instead of it being like right now,
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where you can do a few steps on the iMac,
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but even then some of them you can kind of tell.
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But although like the Retina MacBook Pro,
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I believe is a scaled interface.
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I think it's scaled down from a higher resolution,
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just like the iPhone 6 Plus.
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And you can't really tell.
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So that's the big advantage of going even further
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is the more of that you could do
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in terms of scaling the interface
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to make it whatever size you wanted it to be.
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And it would all just look good.
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And it wouldn't matter that it wasn't
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the native resolution of the display
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because all of the anti-aliasing
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and all of that is happening.
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It's like subatomic anti-aliasing.
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It's like, you can't see it.
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And so it looks fine.
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The problem with anti-aliasing was always
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that you could see every pixel.
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And so you could see that half shaded pixel
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and it made everything fuzzy.
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But when that half shaded pixel is something
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that is just imperceptibly small,
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then everything looks good.
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So I think that's it.
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'Cause otherwise, yes, practically,
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text can't get more sharper than sharp text.
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It's just once it's sharp,
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once you can see it all, that's it.
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But there are other ways that it can get better
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for things like changing resolutions.
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That's all I had. I don't know if you want to talk about anything else about the Retina
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iMac or anything in general today.
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I don't know. I think people should check out the review on sixcolors.com. Do that if
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you haven't already. Great. Check your show notes.
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Or there at relay.fm/upgrades/seven.
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Lucky seven. We finally made it to lucky number seven, Myke.
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I got a Kindle, but I guess we don't really have time to talk about that.
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I'm reading things on the Kindle now and I will report back perhaps next week.
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Oh man, I am sorry because I really thought we would do it this week and then I was looking at all the follow-up and the fact that I also got the red dot iMac.
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I had a bunch of people who were, I assume, upgrade listeners who were very excited when I said I got my Kindle and they're like, "Write the review now!"
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and I thought I got this iMac here I got a review and let me do that and then
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I'll get to it so I got to get to it now and I and honestly I was working on that
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a lot to the point where I wasn't reading as much for pleasure as I
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usually do so I've only had a you know a few hours reading with the Kindle
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Voyage and I want to spend some more some more time with it but it's neat I
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like it but we can talk more because I want to talk about Kindles in general
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too and why they exist and why you would even want one and all of those all
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all of those things to maybe we could get a guest.
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Oh, all right, I'm gonna ponder that one.
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Maybe we could get a good like Kindle related guest.
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- Mr. Kindle.
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- Mr. Kindle, well, Scott McNulty is Mr. Kindle.
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Dare we dream of getting Scott McNulty on this podcast
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where he could be like, I'm incomparable and be on,
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but never say anything.
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He may even be here today.
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- I'd like to watch a lot of "The Guest".
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- Wouldn't be the first time Scott buys,
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he may have a problem, he buys every Kindle.
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I've only bought about half the Kindles.
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But yeah, we'll talk about it.
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We'll talk about any books and Kindles
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and different reading modes and stuff.
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That's totally gonna happen.
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It's not gonna be like the, you know,
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the what is it John Sirkius always talked about?
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He was promising an episode about file systems forever,
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I think, and he finally did it.
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So we'll get there, it's our white whale.
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It's the Kindle episode.
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It's gonna happen, just not this week.
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So that's it, that's all I got.
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I, my Apple Pay total is up to two.
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So in the intervening week,
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I only bought one other thing with Apple Pay
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and it was a hot dog at a sporting event.
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And yeah, and the retina iMac has to go back this week
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to Apple, but mine is on order.
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I ordered the one,
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this is something we could talk about right before we go.
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I ordered the one with the VESA mount on the back
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instead of the foot.
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And I don't know if people know this,
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It used to be that you could get an iMac
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and you could buy a $30 kit from Apple
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and pop the foot off of it
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and put on an adapter that was a VESA mount
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so that you could then put it on an arm
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or mount it to a wall.
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And with the last design rev of the iMac,
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that was no longer an option.
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You can either order it with a foot or with a VESA mount.
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And once it's in one format, you can't get it in the other.
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You can't convert it back.
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So you're committing.
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So I used, so I've got my 24 inch monitor here on an arm
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and I really like it.
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I've got my desk and it's got stuff on the desk.
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So I've got like a little thermometer
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that tells me how warm it is in here.
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And I've got a little remote control for my speakers
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and I've got a little foam orange brain
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that I like to squeeze 'cause it makes me happy.
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I have to, I love it so much.
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I have, this was sent with a,
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some sort of game that we were all sent at Macworld
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like 15 years ago.
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And I took, and I had one and I loved it so much
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that at one point I went around,
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'cause I was gonna order more
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and it turns out they didn't make them anymore.
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So I went around to all of my coworkers and I said,
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do you still have that orange brain?
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And they all like had just put it in a drawer
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and forgotten that it was there.
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And I said, and can I have your orange brain?
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So I have like three of these Nerf brains.
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I love them.
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So I've got that on my desk.
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And then I put the retina iMac on my desk.
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And we'll put a picture of the brain in the show notes.
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And suddenly my desk was gone.
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All there was was this screen
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because it was at the front of the desk where I'm working
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and it was huge.
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And then the foot was there.
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And then I have to like go around the iMac
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to see that there's a desk behind it
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and everything's inaccessible.
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And you know what?
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I really didn't like it.
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And that was the moment where I decided
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I'm gonna put this thing on an arm.
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I don't want it sitting down on my desk.
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I like it floating.
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I like this monitor floating six or eight inches
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above my desk where I've actually still got
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a desktop below it.
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And the way I figure it,
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although there are ways to hack,
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there are hilarious ways.
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There are the people who make these VISA mounts
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that are literally like a clamp that goes onto the foot
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of the iMac and then you mount that.
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And they look terrible.
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I decided if ever there is a day where I wanna put that
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on a stand, there are people who make VISA mount
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monitor stands.
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So I'll just go the other direction
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and it won't have the metal Apple foot look to it,
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but I don't care.
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I really want it on an arm.
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So we'll see.
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Supposedly my monitor arm can hold 23 pounds
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and the iMac is about 20 pounds.
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So it should work, but we'll see.
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That's the one I ordered and I upgraded.
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I got the upgraded CPU and GPU
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because I decided if uncle IDG
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was gonna help me pay for it,
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I was gonna splurge a little bit
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and get something that could last a long time.
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- Was it the Nerf Brain Ball?
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It is a Nerf Nickelodeon co-branded.
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- Yeah, I got it.
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- Oh, did you find it on the internet?
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- Yeah, the Nick and Nerf Brain Ball.
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It was from the '90s, shaped like a brain,
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meant to throw like a football.
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- Oh man, put that in the show notes.
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- It's in there, it is in there.
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- Okay, yeah, so I have three of those,
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and it's from the '90s.
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That's how long ago we got that.
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It was some like some piece of software or CD-ROM or something that was like,
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it'll magnify your brain power.
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And to demonstrate that here's a foam nerf brain.
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And like I said, uh, I don't even remember what that thing was.
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And I went around and collected everybody's foam brains a couple of
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years later, because I really liked it.
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It's my little thing that I keep at my desk and I kind of squeeze it.
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And, um, and, uh, I'm, you know, it's, it's, it helps me think.
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I stare into the brain.
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I give it a little squeeze. It helps me thank Myke.
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So I want, that is why my iMac is going to be on an arm
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because I gotta have the, I gotta have the phone brain handy.
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Words to live by.
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- With that, if you'd like to get the show notes
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I mentioned earlier, really.fm/upgrades/seven.
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You'll also find some contact links for us there.
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I am iMyke on Twitter, I-M-Y-K-E.
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And Mr. Jason Snell is @jsnell, J-S-N-E-L-L on Twitter.
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And he writes the glorious sixcolors.com.
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Thanks again to our sponsors for this week, Backblaze and igloo, and we'll be back next
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week with another episode of Upgrade.
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Kindle Kindle Kindle.
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Bye everybody.
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