8: With Special Offers
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Welcome back to another episode of Upgrade on Relay FM.
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This episode of Upgrade is brought to you by Hover, who simply are the very best place to buy and register domain names.
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And our new friends, Jason, our new friends.
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Oh, that they're friends.
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Our new friends at Clubhouse, who I'm really excited to tell you about.
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They make awesome communities for people, private and awesome communities.
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My name is Myke Hurley and you've already heard him by now.
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It's Mr. Jason Snell.
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- Hi Myke. - He's online.
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- How's it going? - Hi Jason.
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Very well sir, how are you?
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- I'm doing very well.
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I have almost written my Kindle voyage review
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and in fact, to ensure, this is insurance.
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To make sure we actually talk about the Kindle today,
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I have invited a special guest,
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our first special upgrade guest.
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And the reason we invited this gentleman
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is because he is an expert when it comes to the Kindle.
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It's Scott McNulty.
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- I'm very tempted to say something about Siri,
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but I'm not going to.
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- Don't do it.
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- I was going to say it, but I didn't.
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I'm not going to.
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- Ahoy, Scott McNulty.
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- Thank you for having me on.
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- It's good to have you here.
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So before we get started with the main topic of the show,
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which indeed is Kindles and things and such,
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perhaps it's time for some follow-up.
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We don't have a sound effect for follow up though, Myke.
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- Follow up.
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- Thank you.
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- No problem.
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- That's scary.
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We might get in trouble.
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Five by five, is five by five gonna get mad
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if you even say follow up in that tone ever?
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I don't know.
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- I don't know, I think Steven might get mad.
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- Ah, that's fair.
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We talked about, in I think our last episode,
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we talked about test flight and getting approval
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for betas using Apple's new test flight system.
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And I wanted to point out, first off,
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Myke, you put this in the show notes, but it's great.
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It's Marco Arment on Twitter said that his beta
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was approved in test flight for external testing in one day.
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And then we also heard from listener Glenn,
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who said his first time review was less than 24 hours.
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And then with each initial no significant changes update,
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those were processed in about half an hour.
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it seemed to just be a kind of a server automated thing.
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So it sounds like the TestFlight stuff
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is happening much faster than we were kind of anticipating
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for a traditional app review.
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So that's good news, I think.
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We were worried that they were,
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Apple was gonna get in people's way.
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- Just on that subject,
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have you had many betas come to you via TestFlight yet?
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- I think I have three in there right now.
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And it's funny, one of the things that it does
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is it sends you a push notification when there's a new beta,
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which is actually pretty awesome.
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- Well, I get push notifications and emails,
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which is awesome. - Yes, yes.
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- So I need to try and find a way
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to stop both of those things happening.
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- Right, and then there was one app,
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and I don't wanna mention who it was,
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and I don't know whether they were having a problem
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with the system, but I got like five push notifications
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saying that there was a new beta.
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I think maybe they just kept uploading new versions
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and finding bugs, but it was like within an hour,
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there were like four notifications.
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- I have also had that with someone too.
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So that was why I was very annoyed
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to continue receiving new emails.
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It felt like every time I deleted an email,
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I had another email.
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Please stop now.
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Anytime you wanna stop.
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I like the system.
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I like going in and having a little list
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and just downloading it.
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I like that I can access them on my iPad and my iPhone
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very easily.
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I don't have to do the provisioning profiles thing,
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which just seemed to always randomly break for me
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with hockey and with previous TestFlight.
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I always found that it just broke constantly.
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And one other thing that frustrates me
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is the little yellow dot, which won't go away.
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So when you have a beta, you know when you update
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an application, dear listeners, you will see
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that little blue dot which appears next to the app.
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- That's, hey, you haven't opened this app yet.
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We should know about this, right.
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- And then it goes away.
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But however, I now have little yellow dots
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sprinkled about the place which do not go away for betas.
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- No. - They will not go away
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and I don't like that.
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- I agree with you, it bugs me.
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But in general, it seems like a pretty good thing.
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So I'll deal with the bugged part of it.
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And it's good to know that the turnaround for approval
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is not so bad.
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But it's all right.
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TestFlight is not new, but this Apple TestFlight version
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is new, so I guess they'll learn and adapt, hopefully.
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I don't need five push notifications, though.
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That's not--
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- Here's one interesting tweet that I did see
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that I haven't put in follow-up,
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I'm going to mention it to you now.
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- Surprise follow-up.
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- Yeah, Martin Herring, who is the developer of Instacast,
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he was having trouble.
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Apple were rejecting his TestFlight app review
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because of a bug in iOS 8.1.
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So iOS 8.1 has an issue with iCloud,
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and it's crashing apps when you open them.
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and Apple were rejecting his app
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because it was crashing at launch.
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There's literally nothing you can do about it.
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I think he's ended up fixing it though for another version,
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but it's just interesting to think that
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there are sometimes now going to be
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things outside of your control
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that you expect to be fixed by the time you release, I guess,
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but Apple haven't been able to fix it.
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So this raises the question,
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what happens when people are testing against betas
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later in the year?
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How's that gonna work?
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I wonder if there'll be something different in that time.
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- Right. - So when iOS 9 is in beta,
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how will people be distributing tests?
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Like, will they still be testing for them,
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and will Apple allow that, and that kind of stuff.
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So it'd be interesting to see what happens there.
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- Yikes. - But I hope that
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all the kinks have worked out and that people adopt it,
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because I think it feels like a much better system,
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at least for testers.
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I assume it's pretty good for the developers too,
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the people starting to use it.
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- Well, just not having to maintain that list of UDIDs
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just being able to get a list of people with their iCloud IDs and using those.
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And you know, because I know they dreaded like new devices coming out because it completely
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screwed up all the beta testing because their beta testers would upgrade their devices and
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then those lists would be no good and it was this endless maintenance of UDIDs which is
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So just for that it'll be a big win for lots of developers I think.
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And I guess if you want it, you can have much larger testing pools now.
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Yeah, it can be beneficial. Yeah, exactly and every one of your people just by being on your list contested on all their devices
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Which is really nice. Yeah
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I've got some very silly follow-up, but I liked it. This is a listener
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Unai, Unai, I don't know how to pronounce it, but he's in Spain and he wants us to do a
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vertical on cheese and he wants to sponsor it and
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sponsor it via by sending Manchego cheese to you
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Because you're close closer to him than me because he's in Spain just to let him know the good cheeses
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We produce in Spain. So I've never had manchego cheese. You should it's very good
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What's what's different about manchego cheese to regular cheese? Oh, I don't know Scott. Have you had manchego? I
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Enjoy manchego on a regular basis. See Scott. Can you explain the difference between manchego cheese and regular cheese?
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I believe and I could be wrong and I probably am is manchego a sheep
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It is it is a sheet cheese. I believe yeah well there go so it's so you know most cheeses
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Perhaps not most but many cheeses are cows milk so sheep milk has a different taste and the I'm sure the Spaniards do some kind of
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Thing to turn manjago cheese. I assume it's a Basque product. It could not be yeah
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I think I think I think it may be and it's it's a um it's certainly from that that area
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I think up by the French border and
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Whether it's is it just basque or is it also in Catalonia?
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I don't know, but I do know a little bit about Spanish geography a tiny bit but
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It's a hard cheese. It's not a like a like a gooey kind of cheese. It's a hard cheese, and it's uh yeah
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It's just tasty. I enjoy it actually
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Most when I put a little tomato jam on it
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With the recipe from the book the cookbook that Scott's wife wrote
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So there's a double endorsement that manchego with the tomato jam so tasty
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So I guess when you asked Scott the question if he has manchego cheese you were really hoping that you had considering his wife
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well, no because so so Scott's wife Marisa has has written
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cookbooks now about canning and putting food in jars her website is food and jars calm and with the
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Untold story there or like okay. It's been told Scott's told it is he doesn't need anything that comes out of jars basically
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So he doesn't need any of these things that she cooks for her cookbooks
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Yeah, I don't like jam or pickles and that's a large portion of what she does
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It's she makes a corn salsa. That's very tasty. It's the things inside the jars. That's the problem. Or do you just not like jars?
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Well, if I didn't like jars, I would be in the wrong apartment
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I was for laying on the floor of our living room for some reason and I
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Put my hand under our couch and I hit a box of jars
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There are jars under our bed. There are jars everywhere. So it's mostly what's in them that I don't like
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I know they're delicious to other people. I just don't like fruit really real-time cheese follow-up
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Real-time cheese follow-up manchego is from the La Mancha region in central Spain
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So it's not up by the border man of La Mancha as much La Mancha manchego there. That's
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See and it is uh, yeah, it's a it's a sheep cheese
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It's my age. It's mild tasty aged sheep's cheese. So thank you chat room
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For our cheese well literally, where would we be without the chaperone?
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Not eating cheese. That's for sure
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So what other follow-up do we have Myke you something yeah, yeah something I saw on your site
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Your lovely website six colors calm. It's NaNoWriMo time. It is in September so
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For anybody that doesn't know I'm gonna do a terrible job explaining it
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Nana Raimo is during the month of November where lots of clever people try and write a novel, right?
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Right. This is this is almost as good as me explaining what Scott's wife does while Scott is on the line
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Let's just go all the way around and then Scott will explain how relay FM works and we'll be done
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Yeah, it's Nana Raimo is short for national novel writing month because it started as a joke
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a bunch of friends actually in the Bay Area. And then they set up a website and people
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were able to sign up. And what it is now is it's an international, it's all over the
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world, international community of people who are writing fiction. And for the month of
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November everybody signs up and it's free. You go to nanowrimo.org, you sign up and you
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can write a, the goal is 50,000 words by the end of November, which is roughly 1,700 words
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a day, and I've done it six times, and succeeded all six times at breaking 50,000 words, and
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now I'm actually on the board of directors.
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It's a nonprofit that runs it and has the people who develop the software that runs
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on the server and keeps the servers live, and there are a bunch of staff.
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There's a little staff in Berkeley, California that does stuff like there's a young writers
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program that works on building educational materials so that teachers have materials
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to use to teach writing to their kids in class.
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And yeah, it's a great--and there are volunteers all over the world who are in different regions
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doing meetups and what they call "write-ins" where people come and meet somewhere and they
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hang out with the other writers and they write.
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So it's a great organization.
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I encourage people to go to the site and consider doing it.
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My first NaNoWriMo I didn't start until like the sixth or seventh of the month, so even
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now it's not too late.
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And if not this year, consider it for next year.
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And if you do try it and think it's a good idea, I would say donate, because I know now
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the details of how harrowing non-profits' finances can be, and they could use some donations.
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Donations are good.
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And if people are out there listening who know somebody who you think would be really
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awesome as, like if you know an author or something like that, who you think would be
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awesome for us to know at NaNoWriMo, you should let me know.
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Drop me a line, because we're always looking for—we've had support of some great writers
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over the years who've written things for NaNoWriMo for newsletters or whatever. But I love it.
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I've written three novels which are like in draft form in a drawer somewhere. And that
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would never happen. I would never have written the first one without NaNoWriMo just about
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making that commitment and saying, "Yeah, I'm going to do this." And you know, 79 words
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a day, it's a lot, but it's only for a month and then you can stop. And it's actually a
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lot of fun. So I recommend it. I think it's a really awesome, creative... I keep likening
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it to climbing a mountain or running a marathon, neither of which I'm ever going to do. But
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like that, writing a novel was always something that I said I thought I would do someday and
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I was never going to do it. And then the first NaNoWriMo was like, "I'm going to do this,"
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and I did it. So sometimes that's all it takes.
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Now that you're gainfully fun-employed, are you going to do NaNoWriMo this time around?
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I'm not doing NaNoWriMo this time around, mostly because, like I said, I've got those
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three novels already written and I would really like to rewrite them and get them out there.
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Even if it's self-publishing them, I'd like to get them out in the world.
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So I'm trying not to write more new stuff and instead spend some time.
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So I'm hoping to revise one of those this month and get it out in the world.
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So we'll see.
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I've started many files on the Purse of November. Nice! The idea that I would do it and then about,
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oh, the second of November I stop. Well, that's efficient. You're not throwing away work that way.
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That's good. I get a solid thousand words and then I'm done. I don't know what it was. It was
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something about that first time that I did it and I thought this is--I don't know, a lot of writers
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are so motivated by deadlines and that's the case for me. If I set myself a deadline, I'm gonna
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And for NaNoWriMo, I essentially was saying, "By the end of this month, you're going
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to have 50,000 words," and I managed to do it.
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But I think it takes that kind of mentality of like, "I'm going to do this.
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I'm going to commit to this," and then dealing with those deadlines.
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Because it is essentially a 1667-word deadline every single day, and if you get behind, you
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got to make it up.
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You can't skate by, so you end up with a Saturday where you write 8,000 words to get
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back on pace.
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It's fun, but it is a lot of work.
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Just because we say it fast and it's a weird word.
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>> It's a great word.
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I like the way it sounds.
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>> NaNoWriMo.
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Yeah, it's good.
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The nonprofit used to be called something else and we realized that National Novel Writing
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Month, NaNoWriMo, that's what it is.
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That's how people know it.
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So that's the name of the organization.
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We got a little more feedback.
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I got a really nice email from somebody who wishes to remain anonymous who works in Apple
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And this was a plea to us and to our listeners.
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Please God, don't come in and say, "Ahoy, telephone."
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It's the modern equivalent of setting alarms, apparently, which people still do and it's
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still just as annoying.
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They set alarms on all the phones in the Apple Store.
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That's really bad.
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We've also recently had to deal with folks coming in and literally trying to bend the
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iPhone 6 Plus because they heard it was bendable on the news. So a plea from Apple retail,
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do not go in there and as a prank, shout Ahoy telephone.
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>> Or bend the phones. Don't bend the phones.
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>> Don't bend the phones. Actually that would be funny if you set an alarm using Ahoy telephone
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while attempting to bend the phones just because they could just take a dart and just take
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you out right there. That's enough of you. So I thought that was good and I appreciate
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getting that letter from a listener in Apple retail. We definitely do not encourage that,
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although it was funny to see that video of one of our listeners very quietly trying to
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say it because he didn't want to get thrown out of the store. And in fact, listener Shep,
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who we've heard around before, sent us a picture or maybe it was a video, it was from one of
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the Apple stores in New York City and he tried to do an Ahoy telephone and they had turned
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it off. So they're getting wise. The Apple Store is getting wise to the Ahoy telephone
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problem. Hooray. And we have one last piece of feedback, Myke. This is about you and your
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desire to buy a Mac Mini. Are you tired of this one yet? Have you bought anything yet?
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I haven't bought anything yet.
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All right. Listener Brian says to listen to listenership, who said get something, get
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the old four core Mac Mini from, while you can from someone.
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He endorsed PowerMax.com as a real company, by the way.
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I actually heard, there's actually a guy I talk with a lot
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on Twitter and I met at XOXO this year who actually works
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at PowerMax.com, he said, "Yeah, we're real."
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I was like, "Sorry, sorry."
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I mean, just, you know. - Sounds fishy still.
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- Yeah, well, it is that Homer Simpson alias.
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But he also said, obviously, look at the refurbishing
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clearance on the Apple online store.
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- Yeah, I've been checking that, nothing.
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- And mentioned that Mac Mini Cola will sometimes
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sell used minis too, but his fear, and I fear this is
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gonna be the case too, is that those quad core minis
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are gonna now go up in value because they don't make 'em
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anymore and so they might be harder to find,
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but it's worth looking around.
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I don't know.
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- Thank you Brian and Shep for your advice.
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- They care, Myke, they care.
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- They do care.
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- They're worried about you.
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- I like that about them.
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- I wanna take a quick moment, Jason,
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before we start talking about Kindles and Amazon and such.
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- I hope this is related to friends.
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- Of course, of course.
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This is a-- - We wanna hear
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from our friends. - We wanna hear
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from our friends. - All right, good.
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- These are our new friends at Clubhouse.
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Clubhouse is something that's completely brand new,
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and I wanna tell you all about it.
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Clubhouse is a platform that allows you
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to create private communities where people can be themselves
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without ever having to worry about
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a whole larger social network leering in
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and joining the conversation unwanted.
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Everyone on Clubhouse is part of a defined community
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that they choose to join.
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With Clubhouse, as a community owner,
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so if you wanna sign up and you start a new community
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on Clubhouse, you're able to do all of the things
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that you'd wanna do, like change colors,
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you can add logos, and you can create the brand
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that sits around the community that you have.
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Let's say, for example, you run a, you run NaNoWriMo
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and you want a NaNoWriMo community in Clubhouse,
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for example, you can do that.
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So you can have community members
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that will sign up to Clubhouse,
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and they're able to go in on their phones or on the web,
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and they're able to take part in the communities.
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People can chat for free within there.
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They have great activity streams
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that let people in your community easily chat,
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post comments, they can post photos as well.
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And you're able to integrate with external sources
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like Twitter, Instagram, to pull in relevant content.
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You can have just hashtags appear, for example.
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but say you're in Instagram and you just want all of the hashtag
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Manchago to pop up into your community, you can do that.
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So you can have all that stuff come in.
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The members of each clubhouse as well can earn points
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for interacting within the community.
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So these points can then add up to a whole ranking system
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so you can see who's contributing the most within a community.
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You're able to set up missions for people to complete as well.
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So like post a picture of yourself whilst at Whole Foods using Apple Pay.
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And anybody that does that, you can award them points
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and then you can rank all of your members together,
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and it's like a way to build more fun within the community.
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Clubhouse works as well as something called modules.
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Now, these modules allow you to add in different types
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of functionality into your Clubhouse.
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So they have things that allow you to add events.
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You can have SoundCloud and RSS feed integration.
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They even have their own ticketing system,
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which has QR code generation,
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so you can charge the tickets to an event
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or set up tickets to an event
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and let people in on the door.
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This is one of the ways that Clubhouse got started,
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doing this type of thing, and then they expanded it out
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to be this whole community platform.
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And these are the things that you pay for.
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So Clubhouse have a real defined business model,
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which is really important, especially for anything
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that's social related these days.
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Everything like chat related and stuff like that is free,
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but then you can add in different things
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like the ticketing system or event creation,
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and you as a community owner pay every month
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for that functionality.
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But the people that join your community,
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they join for free and they don't have to pay.
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But so it's up to you as a community owner
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and you can maybe sell tickets to things
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and it's a way you can make money, for example.
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Even with Clubhouse it's possible to break your Clubhouse
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into its own standalone app so that you can do that.
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You can get the tier that you can pay for
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and you can basically build out your own app.
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They manage all of the App Store stuff for you,
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all of the bits and bobs, all the admin
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that go into App Store, like processes and approvals
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and all that.
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take care of all of that so you don't have to worry about it.
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So you can try out Clubhouse for free right now as a community creator by going to
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clubhouse.cc/relay.
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Now doing this will get you something really awesome and they're doing something
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which is really super cool.
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So they're doing a really heavily discounted premium plan.
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So basically if you sign up at clubhouse.cc/relay and start your community there,
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you'll see when you go to add a module, when you go into your Clubhouse you want to add
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modules so it adds like the event stuff or stuff you will see a special Relay Unlimited.
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This unlocks all of the premium modules so you have access to everything for just $50
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a month or $500 a year and that's an incredible deal.
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When you start to look through you literally will be saving hundreds of dollars because
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you'll be able to access everything that Clubhouse can do for you.
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So go to clubhouse.cc/relay go and check them out and just see you can sign up for free
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and start a community for free you don't have to pay anything but then if you want to go
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to the premium stuff if you sign up via that URL you'll get access to the whole thing.
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Thank you so much to Clubhouse for their support of Relay FM and Upgrade.
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Look for us in #Manchego.
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You should do that.
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So Myke, back in episode 1 I think we talked about that we were going to talk about Kindle
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Yep and we're now up to episode 8 today.
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So should we talk about Kindles?
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I definitely think we should.
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Let's change the subject, Scott. What do you say? Let's not talk about kittens.
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Manchego it is.
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Canning and food and jars. So, yeah, I was really excited when the week that this show started was
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the week that Apple--or Apple, geez. Amazon. Apple's the one with charts with numbers on them.
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Amazon announced the new Kindle Voyage, which shipped last week, I want to say.
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say. And it's out and I've got it and I know Scott's got it. Scott, you have every Kindle
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ever, right? Is that accurate?
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>> SCOTT - Well, if you're being pedantic, I don't.
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>> MATT - Are you missing one of the DXs or something?
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>> SCOTT - No, I have both DXs. I don't have - Amazon started offering the models where
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you could get the 3G or just the Wi-Fi, so I switched to just Wi-Fi.
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So I don't have every variant, but I have every major model of Kindle.
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Now, what motivated you to purchase every generation of Kindle?
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Insanity, I suppose, is probably the biggest one.
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There were two times in my life where I saw a technology that really entranced me.
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One was when I saw the iPhone for the first time, and the second, which happened actually
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before I saw the iPhone, is when I heard about e-ink for the first time, because I just thought
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that technology was so amazing, and I'm a huge reader, and I thought it had the power
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to change the world.
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I don't know if it has that power to change the world, but I was really excited about
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it, and so I ran out, and actually I didn't, but when I had enough disposable income, I
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I bought a Sony reader who were kind of first on the market with e-ink readers.
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And then maybe three weeks after I did that, Amazon announced the Kindle.
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And I was very sad and I just bought a Kindle.
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And I've been buying them ever since.
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>> But why did you continue to buy all of them though?
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Because there's a difference between just buying one and then buying another one in
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like a few years' time to buying all of them.
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>> Well, that is a good question.
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I don't know if I have a good answer.
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I just like them a lot.
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I bought the first one, and then it was kind of,
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I actually like the first Kindle,
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except for the weird, silvery interface thing,
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because they couldn't get the touchscreen right, so.
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And then the second Kindle came out,
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and I wrote a book about the second generation
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of the Kindle, so that was my excuse for that,
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which was available only on the Kindle,
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and nobody bought it.
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And then I just kept buying them,
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and now I have like, and I've also,
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for a time I was buying all the nooks as well,
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I stopped doing that.
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- Has it become like I've started buying them now,
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so now I just have to buy them all type thing?
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- Well I-- - Like a collection?
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- Well yes, and I tell myself,
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well my wife will get my cast off Kindle,
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so it's not really a waste of money.
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- Does your wife need every cast off?
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- I will tell you, so every time I get the new Kindle,
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I order it immediately as soon as it's available
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and then I get it the first day it's available.
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And I show it to my wife and she's like,
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"Oh, that's nice, give me your old Kindle."
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This time I showed my wife the Voyage
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and she said, "Oh, order me one of those."
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- Huh. - Hmm.
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- So, which I thought was interesting.
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So it's the first time she's actually wanted
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the latest generation Kindle.
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- But it's not, does it really seem that different
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from the Kindle Paperwhite to her?
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Because that's the thing that struck me about the Voyage,
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is it's not that different from the Kindle Paperwhite,
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really, is it?
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It's not hugely different, but I think it's a matter of refinements, and I think adding
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the page press areas is a really big improvement to the Paperwhite, because I always disliked
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having to move my thumb and tap the screen to turn the page.
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I try to explain that to people, and every time I try to explain that or I'm writing
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about it, it makes me feel like the lamest person in the world to say, "I have to slightly
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move my finger if I want to turn the page and therefore this is not as good.
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But it's so true that on the old button kindles there was a physical button on the bezel to
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turn the page and you could literally just hold the Kindle in your hand and never move
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your hand other than to just squeeze the button down and you could just go next page, next
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page, next page, next page and it was a really great reading experience.
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And when they went to the paperwhite they took the buttons away and so every time you
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wanted to turn the page if you're holding it in your right hand you could just sort
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of like migrate your thumb or finger over and tap and then move it back.
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You're holding it in your left hand, you had to like stretch out and do like a really weird
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awkward swipe so that it went forward instead of backward, and it was really stupid.
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And I'm really glad that they added, they're not really buttons, right?
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They're these special areas that are pressure sensitive.
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Pressure areas.
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But it's basically a button.
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It is, and it has a little haptic feedback kind of dealy to it that you can set the vibration
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which is nice. And I think the screen, if you look at a
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paperwhite, a second generation paperwhite and a voyage and put them next to each
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other, the screen does look better. It doesn't
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look, like if you, I wouldn't suggest you just
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throw your second generation paperwhite out the window. It's not like
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comparing a first generation Kindle screen to the voyage. That's a clear,
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gigantic difference. But it is better. Yeah, well I
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held my first generation paperwhite up right next to it today I was doing that,
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and it's definitely better. The lighting is way better, although I know that they
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fixed a lot of that in the second generation Paperwhite. The lighting is
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better, the text is crisper, all of these things. It is a better all-around product, no
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doubt. Right, and I think it's easier when you have a first generation Paperwhite
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to--unless you're me--to convince yourself that you need to upgrade. I just
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buy the new one, whatever. Because when you look at side-by-side, the first
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generation Paperwhite was nice, but I always thought they didn't quite get
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the light right I didn't think the the distribution the second generation fixed
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that but if you skip the second generation the voyage is a great upgrade
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yeah yeah it's the first generation paper white had like the kind of bluish
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light and it was a little spotty and yeah uneven at the bottom you could see
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the kind of the arcs of the LEDs lighting it up right right exactly and
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this is much nicer all these are nitpicks of course but they are they
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are because I think that's a big thing about the Kindle and why moving your
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thumb is so annoying is because you know a Kindle is a purpose-built device right
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it's just built to read books generally but you can read other stuff on it so
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you're spending a lot of time holding this thing and you don't want to have to
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think or move too much because you're reading and you want to be part you know
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in hand entranced by the story you don't want to have to think about and this is
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why I like Kindles I don't want to have the the the temptation to check Twitter
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as I'm reading I just want to read and I don't want to move my thumb what I'm
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reading. Is that so much to ask? I think we've touched on a lot of stuff that I want to get
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back to, but the point you just made is actually at the core of why when people, when I tell people
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that I buy Kindles and they look at me like I'm crazy, they're like, "You've got an iPad.
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Like, why would you want a Kindle if you have an iPad?" Number one reason is my Kindle doesn't do
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push notifications. My Kindle isn't two taps away from being email or Twitter or a good web browser.
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There is a web browser.
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It's still experimental, like 10 years later.
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The experiment is how quickly can it drive people crazy who use it.
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>> The experiment is will anybody find it?
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You know, it's only there so you can log into like a hotel Wi-Fi.
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I really believe that's the only reason that web browser is there.
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>> That makes sense.
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>> But that's why I use it is because it's purpose-built for this.
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It doesn't--it--like you said, Scott, purpose-built, it's made for reading.
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It's really good with text.
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Yeah, it's got, you know, you read it outside in a way that a smartphone or a tablet, you
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But the number one reason is, it's, when I'm reading on my Kindle, I'm reading.
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I'm not multitasking, I'm not going to get distracted.
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If I want to go get my phone or my iPad and look at Twitter, I can, but, you know, I focus
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on what I'm reading and it really makes a difference.
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And so for me, yeah, I've got other devices, but I don't use them to read novels or actually
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get a newspaper on it, or the newspaper.
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I use the Kindle for that because it's, you know, when I'm reading on the Kindle, I'm
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really focused on just reading and not ten other things that are one click away.
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You guys both have Kindles, right?
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Why do you have Kindles?
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My answer is a lot worse, really.
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I like to think that I read more than I actually read.
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So I bought a Kindle too, because I was fascinated by the original Kindle, but they weren't
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available in the UK.
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You dodged a bullet.
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Scott says he likes it.
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I actually bought one and then returned it.
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It's one of the few times I've ever done that with an electronic product on Amazon.
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I was like, "No, uh-uh," because it was so weird.
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And I really wanted to like it and it was too weird and I went a year without a Kindle.
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What didn't you like about it?
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- Well, like Scott said, that metal,
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the screen wasn't very good,
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and that metal strip that you had to use to like,
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it was this weird silvery strip,
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and you slid a little black dot up and down it
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in order to select.
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It was really weird.
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And it was kinda ugly, it was weird shaped,
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and weird colored.
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- Yeah, the crazy keyboard layout, right?
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- So it's kinda like jagged for no real reason.
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- Right, exactly.
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And then the second generation was a much more,
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it felt like a real, like not a prototype.
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So that one I kept.
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- So it was really strange, like when the,
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I mean I bought it because I was interested in it,
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it was new technology.
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Like it was brand new, right?
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It was like U-ink and all this kind of stuff.
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And you had to get it in like a really weird way.
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Like you could buy it, but you had to buy it
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through Amazon.com to ship to the UK.
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Like they would ship it to you,
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but you had to do this weird thing,
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like I had to sign into Amazon.com
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and had to forcibly tell it to stop redirecting me.
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And it was possible to do,
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like Amazon allowed you to do it.
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They only did it for a couple of countries
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and you could buy it so I bought it and it shipped.
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And I had to buy a separate plug for it
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because it shipped with an American adapter,
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which is very peculiar.
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And I really enjoyed it and I used it quite a bit
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and I used it every day on my commute.
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But then kind of my love affair with podcasts
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took over and I listened to this sort of stuff.
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So I didn't have, I didn't replace that Kindle,
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I recently gave it away,
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but then I was going on holiday recently
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and thought, I wanna relax and read.
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So I bought a Kindle Paperwhite,
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and then about six days later they announced the voyage.
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So, you know, such is life.
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So I have a second edition paperweight now.
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It kind of frustrates me, the tapping on the screen.
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I really don't like it.
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I loved the buttons on my second edition Kindle.
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Like I loved them and I really don't like the tapping.
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Because it's like, do I tap it or do I swipe it?
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Neither of them feel like they do anything immediately
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sometimes or like I feel like I'm about to do the wrong one
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and then nothing happens or it just doesn't feel,
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it feels awkward because the bezel's quite thick
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compared to like an iPad or an iPhone, you know?
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Where so if I'm swiping or tapping,
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it's like well I'm used to just like right at the very edge
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but I'm like covering up the content here with my big thumb.
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Yeah, it's weird but it looks great
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and the light really does make a difference
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like I was reading on the beach
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and it was really, really nice.
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I actually spent most of my time on my vacation
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'cause I was on vacation during the iOS 8 launch and stuff.
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I was just reading people's reviews via Instapaper,
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which I love still works,
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so I just had a bunch of things in Instapaper,
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and then I just sent them to reviews for me
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'cause a lot of them are like books.
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So I sent them all to my Kindle and read them,
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and unfortunately I've not used it since that holiday,
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which I was worried would happen.
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'Cause I'm kind of, I struggle to keep focus when reading.
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when reading. So even if I'm not using something like an iPhone or iPad where
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all of the world is there, you know, I just then just seek out the world. I'm like
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reading on my Kindle, I'm like "where's my iPhone?" Things are happening on my...
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Yeah, I kind of just struggle to keep my attention. It's like when I'm
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listening to podcasts and stuff I play games, like video games on my phone, stuff
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like that, and weirdly that helps me focus on the podcast, but
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when I'm reading, like I'm like "oh what else is going on?" So I actually haven't
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read a full book in many years I think which I know probably
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it horrifies you both. It does. It makes me sad for you. Yeah. I don't read fiction and when I do
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read I never read fiction. That's valid. The voyage is available today in the UK
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though so you should buy one. I did see that it made me smile I was like okay so
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today it's gonna happen great so maybe I'll have to buy one because oh I
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Basically, I had the Kindle for a couple of days on my holiday and the screen is all scratched
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Obviously, I had to put it in my beach bag and there must have been something in there.
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Rubbing it on the sand.
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Obviously, I rubbed it in the sand and I buried it and I don't know what the problem is.
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Yeah, I assume there must have been a coin or something in there, but one corner of the
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screen is all kind of scratched and it's frustrating.
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So, the Kindle, I have a little Kindle case.
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It's not actually like a ... It's just a carrying case.
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It's like a sock.
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It's like a fancy sock, Kindle sock.
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But that keeps it in pretty good shape usually.
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And you mentioned the beach, it's funny.
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I mean, I think beaches are, that's when I go to someplace like a beach or a swimming
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pool or something, that's when I see all the Kindles.
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All the Kindles are out because it's so much better to use in those situations, where
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there's bright light.
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And also, quite honestly, I feel less worried about the Kindle being destroyed or stolen
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or something than my smartphone or my tablet for some reason, even a more expensive Kindle.
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I think I would feel this way.
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I don't take baths very often, but when I have, I have a couple of times done the Jeff
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Bezos trick where you put it in a Ziploc bag and you just read your Kindle in the bathtub.
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Billionaire, by the way, uses a Ziploc bag on his Kindle.
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But you can do that too.
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I mean, they're so versatile.
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You think they would just build a special waterproof case because he can kind of just
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ask them to do that?
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Oh, there probably is one.
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There probably is one now.
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He's probably had space age like science material scientists built him a a kindle aquarium of some kind, but I
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Don't know Scott Scott do you uh?
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Your choice of a kindle over over like an iPad or an iPhone for reading. Why why do you prefer it?
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Well, I do a lot of reading on my commute. I don't have a much of a commute
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I have more of a commute than both of you probably but it's like 15 to 20 minutes
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And I feel like you were saying I feel very self-conscious looking at an iPad on the trolley here in Philadelphia
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I don't know why I just do I feel like everybody is looking at me
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In fact the woman this morning a woman was sitting in front of me
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And she was playing like Candy Crush on her iPad
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And I was in fact looking at her play so I suppose that that could have something to do with it
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And it just feels like Kindle feels
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less obnoxious
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Than having a giant iPad and swipe me through unless it's a Kindle DX
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I did feel a little obnoxious when I had my Kindle DX on the trolley
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Yeah, and it's just it's lighter
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It's easier to see I'm you can yeah, I feel like they disappear that they're just yeah
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it's not it's not that big a deal to be sitting there with it with a Kindle and and
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So that's why we use Kindles some of us more than others Myke's Kindle is more aspirational
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And that's valid.
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That's fine.
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Aspirational Kindle.
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Although the Instapaper thing, that was something that I, when I was a regular bus commuter,
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I did that a lot too, where I would just, my Instapaper queue would dump into my Kindle
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And that was kind of great, because I could choose to read like the newspaper or a novel,
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or I could read my Instapaper stories.
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And that was pretty cool.
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So it's versatile.
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But it's for reading.
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I mean, it's a black and white device.
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This is one of those things that I actually realized with the Voyage release, and I'm
00:39:55
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wondering what you guys think of this, where I felt like over the years, Scott, as we watched
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these new Kindles coming out, that they were always like, "Well, they're priced a little
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And you got the sense that at some point Amazon was literally going to say, "If you're
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a Prime member, you can get a free Kindle every two years."
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We don't care.
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We just don't care.
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Just buy things.
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That's all we ask, is just keep buying things.
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And that may yet happen.
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But something funny happened this year, right?
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thing is all the Kindle fires are now just the fire tablets right they're not
00:40:23
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kindles anymore they change the name and so here's still a kindle Kindle fire
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htx yeah but it's like last year's model and it's gonna become the fire something
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right or get I mean like the new the new fires aren't Kindle fires right they're
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just fire tablets and the fire TV which I always call the Kindle fire TV right
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it's not the kindle so so it's like they're D branding Kindle Kindle used to
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mean like all the hardware that Amazon had and it's gone back to being for the
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reading stuff it's really it's about Kindle is about reading so I think
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that's really interesting and then the other thing that's happened is that they
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made this device the voyage which is more expensive than the paperwhite and I
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think that's really interesting because for a while I I felt like almost like
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Amazon strategy with the ink readers was like they're not as good as tablets so
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the only way they're going to succeed is if they're cheaper than tablets so let's
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just keep pushing them down in price and we'll have a $79 Kindle and we'll have a $69 or
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$59 Kindle with special offers and we're going to push that down."
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And the paperweight was nicer but still you got the sense that they were playing that
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But with the voyage it's clear now that they're not playing that game anymore.
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Somebody at Amazon has looked at the numbers and they see the numbers.
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They don't just put up a chart with a line that's going up and say, "Look, it's going
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They know the actual numbers.
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And I feel like they're looking at that and saying, "You know, the people who are buying
00:41:46
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these things probably even have tablets and they don't care they want to buy these things
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so maybe we should just make a really good one for them because they just love these
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kindles and they want to buy them and like the Paperweight like I said felt a little
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bit like that but the Voyage is like crystal clear it's like this is a $200 e-reader it
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is made for people who you know they want to buy an e-reader they're not like saying
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oh I don't know I got an iPad I don't really need that's like no they want a really great
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e-reader and Amazon appears to be willing to make that now which I don't know in the
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past it felt like they weren't like they were really kind of hesitant to put too much into
00:42:20
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the Kindle to make a nice Kindle because above a certain point I think they kind of felt
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like you graduated to a tablet which is I think totally not true because of my experiences
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I use the Kindle all the time and I have a tablet so I don't know it feels like that
00:42:35
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to me that the the paperwhite it was the start of it and that the voyage is like the clincher
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that Amazon is embracing this product category and saying, "We're just going to make great
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e-readers," and they're their own thing now.
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>> Right, and they have three different versions of Kindle at the moment, so they're covering
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all the price points.
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So you can still get a Kindle for 80 bucks if you just are Kindle-curious.
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If you're devoted, you can get the $200 Fancy Pants Kindle Voyage.
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They both basically do the same thing.
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The Kindle Voyage just does it nicer and has a light up screen and some buttons that aren't
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really buttons.
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And I think they're borrowing a little bit from Kobo's playbook.
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Of course, Kindle is much more successful than the Kobo.
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But the Kobo has a whole lineup of crazy e-readers.
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You can get a tiny little Kobo Mini, you can get an Aurora HD, which is waterproof, so
00:43:29
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you don't need a Ziploc bag.
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Yeah, they've got a whole lineup of crazy e-ink readers that you can buy.
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I don't think anyone does buy them, but you can buy them if you want to.
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So I think Amazon's borrowing a little bit from their playbook, but of course benefiting
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from the fact that they are the major e-reader player in the market.
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Now that Sony's not selling them in the United States at least, I don't know if they're selling
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them anywhere else, and Barnes and Noble seemingly has given up.
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I assume that it's fair to say that they are the winner because they have the catalog,
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Well, Barnes & Noble has an equal catalog to Amazon.
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And this is the first time...
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I liked my first Kindle so much because I had a Sony reader.
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And the Sony reader, I'm looking at it right now, and it looks so much better than the
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first generation Kindle, but I used my Kindle so much more because it was so easy to get
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books on the thing.
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The Sony reader, Sony generally makes beautiful hardware
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and this thing is beautiful, but the software,
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I had to hook it up to a PC, which I didn't own at the time,
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so I needed to get like virtual PC on my Mac,
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so I could download the Sony app,
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so I could buy books through it
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and then hook up my reader to it,
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and then it might've worked and they were using Adobe DRM,
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so I had to sign in with my Adobe account,
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so I could authorize my book,
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And then, contrast that to Amazon on the Kindle,
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I clicked a little weird scroll button twice
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and then I had a book on my Kindle.
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And I think Amazon just has figured out
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how to get it to you so easily.
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their recommendation engine either.
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And because I think Amazon knows how to sell you things
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and how to suggest things that you will like.
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And so I think, and plus the idea that you can,
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one of the other things I love about the Kindle
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as you go to Amazon's website,
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you can buy a book on Amazon's website
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and it shows up on your Kindle the next time you use it,
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which nobody was doing then.
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- I do wish though,
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we were talking about the purchasing process,
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that they would stop doing that thing
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where it's like send to this device
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and you end up with like 100,000 different devices.
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And it's like, so every tablet you've ever owned,
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everything that's ever had a Kindle app on it,
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any device here, and it's like,
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I went in recently and cleared them out.
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It's like, oh, my word, my iPhone 3G is in here.
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Like, what's happening?
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- Imagine how I feel.
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Manage your devices.
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It breaks when Scott tries to manage his devices.
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- It just cries.
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Myke, do we have another friend?
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Should we talk about another friend now?
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- I would love to talk about another friend.
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Today's second friend is Hover.
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- Oh yeah, Hover, Hover, Hover, hover.com.
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Hover is the best way to buy and manage domain names.
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It's my place of choice and it has been for years.
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Whether you pronounce it hover or hover like I do,
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it should be the place that you go to.
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Because when it comes to buying a domain name,
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there's just nowhere else that you should be going to.
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If you have an idea for a project
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or you want to just name your own site,
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as in, you know, like with your name,
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I mean you can name it anything.
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He didn't go with Jason Snell.
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- Snell.Zone.
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Snellworld.com, whatever.
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You can get them all, yeah.
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- And Jason, I know that you use hover
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and I think you mentioned this before.
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you used Hover to help you get the Six Colors domain as well, didn't you?
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Well, so the main Six Colors domain I got through a weird like escrow service, but the
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way that it worked, I was able to then transfer it back to Hover.
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And then for Six Colors spelled the way you would spell it, with a U, that one was actually
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for sale and Hover was my broker basically for that one.
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I was able to buy that directly through Hover and they made the sale happen.
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So I did it sort of both ways but they all ended up at Hover.
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David Schiessly Yeah because I mean that's one thing like
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you know people you come in and buy what's available but if something isn't available
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Hover can act as the middleman to help you with facilitating the deal that needs to be
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Which is good because they're a trustworthy company and then it also remains where you
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want it to be and you don't have to deal with any of the craziness that goes into trying
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to buy a domain from someone which I can't even imagine how horrible that would be because
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Because my domain processing and my domain buying has always been so lovely because I
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They have a very simple, fast, hassle-free way of buying domains.
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You just type in the words that you're after, some keywords or some different sort of...
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Maybe you just want to find a specific domain, so maybe you want SnellZone.com.
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But SnellZone.com is taken by Jason Snell, so maybe you get like, I don't know, SnellZones,
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you know, that kind of thing.
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They suggest all that sort of stuff, so they'll make suggestions to you if a domain is taken.
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They'll suggest different ways of maybe trying to find different formatting of it and things
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like that which is really cool.
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You don't have to go through a thousand, million, hundred thousand, million screens to add on
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a bunch of different craziness that you don't want.
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They're not going to force you to pay for who is privacy.
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They give you that for free.
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All of this stuff is just made simple.
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They have a really great checkout process.
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They don't spam you with emails every six weeks telling you that your domain is going
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to expire in a year.
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They just send you one when it's coming up and you can choose what you want to do.
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They have all of the top level domain suggestions that you're going to expect.
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Obviously they have like .com and they have .net, .co, .co.uk if you're like me.
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They also have .academy, .london, .nyc, .plumbing, .coffee, all of the really interesting .zone
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like Jason has.
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They have all the interesting TLDs that you can get now too.
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They have a fantastic no hold, no wait, no transfer telephone support policy, which is
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something they're famous for.
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They have great email support as well if it's something that you need.
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They have great documentation on helping you switch from a different provider.
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However, they will also do this for you for free with the Hover LA service.
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They have volume discounts for bulk domain renewal.
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They do custom email addresses, storage and forwarding, and so much more.
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I love Hover and I think that you will too.
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So go try them out.
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Use the coid if you use that for our new pronunciations completely into this now.
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I think that's what it is.
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friends and a good friend. A very good friend indeed. Oh, Kindle more more actually we have
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real-time follow-up a question asked in the chat room that I wanted to answer real-time
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answers to follow up. Somebody asked in the chat room why this is tangible ghost in the
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chat room why do you have to even direct a file you're sending from to your Kindle to
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a specific device? And the answer is because of the crazy cellular Kindles, right? Scott
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mentioned this earlier that they have cellular models and Wi-Fi models. And that was one
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of the initial cool things about the Kindle was that they were on cellular networks. So
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they didn't, they initially didn't have Wi-Fi. The first what, two generations of Kindle
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didn't do Wi-Fi at all?
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Oh, so that's worth noting actually. So my second gen, it used AT&T roaming.
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That was how I got my Kindles. I was using an AT&T roaming plan, which is so weird that
00:51:10
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that was how they decided to do it, but that was how it was done.
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Yeah, they made a deal with AT&T, and so literally you could take that Kindle anywhere in the
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world, and if there was AT&T roaming in that, you could get books on the Kindle, and they
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were paying. And this still is an issue to this day. Not only is that the reason why
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when you buy a book it doesn't just automatically push to all your Kindle devices. One, does
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Does the Kindle app on the iPad do background wake up auto downloads?
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I think it still doesn't.
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But the bigger issue is those wireless ones, that costs a lot of money for Amazon to send
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data to the cellular models.
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So they don't want to do that unless they absolutely have to.
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And as a result, you need to pick where you want to send it.
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And if you use the Send to Kindle app on the Mac, it's got a little box that's like, "Send
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using whisper link and basically it's we will charge you to send this if you send it this
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way otherwise it's only on wifi.
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It's such a weird like the charging is so weird it's so strange.
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It was a great idea though right the idea that like this it's like it was like magic
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it's like you're just on you don't have to pay for it it's all just embedded in the cost
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of the device you're just wherever you are if you can get a cellular signal you can get
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books. It was magical, but kind of ridiculous. And then I think the third generation Kindle,
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there was a Wi-Fi or a Wi-Fi cellular and they gave you a deal if you just got the Wi-Fi
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version and I never bought the cellular version again. So I still have my Kindle 2 and I was
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looking at it the other day thinking, "You know, if I ever went somewhere like where
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I knew that there was no Wi-Fi but there was a cell signal, maybe I would take this just
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because it still works.
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But it was a cool idea, right, that's a very Amazon idea,
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the idea that they would make a deal with a cellular carrier
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and just kind of embed it in the device
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as this supposedly free, but it made the device cost more.
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And just talked to John Syracuse about what he's gone
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through with doing his ebooks, and this is true
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for all ebook publishers, is they will,
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Marco dealt with this with the magazine too.
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Amazon will charge you if any of your customers
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download your book over cellular.
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they will charge you for the data.
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And so it's coming out of the pockets of the publishers
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and it's not cool.
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- There's like no way in which that seems
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like a fair thing to do.
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- I can't believe they're still making
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the cellular Kindles at all, but they are.
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I would have thought that they would have stopped
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and said, "Look, we live in a WiFi world,
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"plus people have tetherable devices,
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"the cellular Kindle thing is just not that big a deal."
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But obviously it works for them
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because they continue to do it
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and those cellular Kindles cost a lot more
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than the main, I forget what the difference is,
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but Scott, do you know the difference
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between the WiFi and the cellular Kindles?
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- Something like $70, I think.
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- That's not cheap.
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It's akin to buying a cellular iPad,
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except then you have to pay for the data.
00:54:08
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- I do wonder what the purpose,
00:54:10
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like why would you buy a cellular Kindle these days?
00:54:13
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I think that, I mean, I don't think people burn through books massively quickly in which
00:54:21
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you could be potentially in a situation where you've, "Oh no, I've run out of books."
00:54:25
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Like if you're going on holiday, I mean, you can kind of just load up, right?
00:54:30
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And so, you know, you were saying, Jason, about being somewhere, like being on vacation,
00:54:33
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not knowing you're gonna have Wi-Fi.
00:54:34
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Well, just put a bunch of books on before you leave.
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And I do, I have like 50 books in my Kindle.
00:54:39
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I'm doing okay.
00:54:40
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- Yeah, which I assume probably most Kindle owners,
00:54:43
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Scott, maybe you can tell me if I'm wrong,
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would have lots of books on there.
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Because, I mean, the books are quite small
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comparative to the size of the devices, right?
00:54:53
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- Yes, I think that most people
00:54:55
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probably load up their Kindles.
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I can think of one instance where I would buy,
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still in this day and age, a 3G-enabled Kindle,
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and that's if I was gonna give it to my mother.
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Because the beauty of the 3G
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is that you don't have to think about it,
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It's just on and it works.
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And she doesn't have to figure out
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where the WiFi signal's coming from.
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It'll just get her book and she'll be happy.
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- And in fact, that's where my second generation Kindle was
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for a long time was with my parents.
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I said, "You don't have to set up the WiFi, just take this."
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Now they have iPads and it's fine.
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- Another random thought I've had
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about my weird second gen Kindle experience.
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When I had to turn the cellular off all the time
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because it was roaming, it destroyed the battery.
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Like I'd get like a couple of hours out of it.
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So when I wasn't downloading something,
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I had to just turn the cellular off
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because it was really working hard, the little thing.
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- Yeah, I reflect, I just turn off,
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I put it in airplane mode all the time, my Kindle's for,
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I don't know why, I just do.
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- And they last, then they last almost forever
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if you put 'em in airplane mode.
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- Exactly, I wanna forget that I have to charge it
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and then misplace the cable
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and when it gives me that little alert,
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I have to scramble to find something to charge it with.
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- Kind of makes sense though, right?
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Because you know, to require the internet connectivity
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of a Kindle, you are making a specific choice anyway,
00:56:20
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because you're gonna go to the store
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to download a book or whatever.
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- So the one example I would say is,
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I told you I get a newspaper.
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I've been getting the daily,
00:56:30
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the San Francisco Chronicle every day on my Kindle
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for like five years, seven years,
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I mean since I got the first, the second generation Kindle.
00:56:37
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And what happens there is that it delivers overnight.
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So when I wake up in the morning,
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I turn it on and the newspaper's there.
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And if I would have it in my bag
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and go out the door to go to the bus,
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I get on the bus and turn on my Kindle
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and the newspaper was there.
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So that would be, I mean, that was why I always left
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the wifi on on my Kindle,
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was because the newspaper would download overnight
00:56:56
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in the background, which was always really cool.
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And it was something the Kindle app on the iPad
00:57:00
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or iPhone could not do,
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which is why I thought it was extra cool.
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but it does keep the battery that way
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scott i assume the d_x_ is really good for newspapers and magazines right that
00:57:11
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was one of the one of the reasons as well as textbooks that they brought it
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uh... yes and it was pretty bad with textbooks but good for uh... newspapers
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and it was actually it it kind of
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emulates the size of uh... like a hardcover page so
00:57:26
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it was nice to read on as well but they're the biggest pitch uh... was they
00:57:30
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were like oh students can use this to take notes
00:57:34
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especially at the screen technology at that time was not fast enough to take
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notes so you would just get super frustrated as you were trying to type
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your note in class and it wasn't a good idea.
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No. That was a bad... I did not like the DX and then they had the weird keyboard too
00:57:48
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which was a bad keyboard.
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Yes. But I have two.
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You can keep them. I don't want them. I will.
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Alright good. Good. Keep them away from me.
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Let's see, oh I wanted to mention special offers just because it's a very Amazon thing
00:58:07
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that makes me laugh, which is when we talk about prices for these things, the base price
00:58:11
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for these is for something called "with special offers" and I was looking up how Amazon describes
00:58:16
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special offers on their site and what they do is they want to use the language of cell
00:58:21
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phone companies so they'll say, "To buy your Kindle Voyage for $1.99, that is a subsidized
00:58:30
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price. The subsidy is because you will receive special offers and screen saver advertisements
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as you use your device. I'm sitting there thinking, "Subsidized by you. It's just
00:58:45
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you. It's your ads. It's your device. You set the price." But what they've done
00:58:50
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is they've said, "You know what? Here's what we're going to do. We're going to
00:58:53
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give people $20 off if they agree to see our ads. And because we're the makers of this,
00:58:58
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not going to run it as a sale, we're going to just make it out the price so we can go
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out there and say, "Look, this thing costs $1.99," instead of saying, "This thing costs
00:59:06
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Now, they could just make it $1.99 and not have ads, but that's not what they do.
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And the funny thing is, the special offers are not that bad, because some of them are
00:59:16
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good offers.
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The ads are only on the home screen and on the lock screen, so it's not like you see
00:59:21
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them when you're reading.
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They're not pop-up ads while you're reading a novel.
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That would be the worst thing ever.
00:59:26
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But you know what the thing that drives me to pay the $20 to turn off the special offers
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is it makes turning on the Kindle a two-step process because you've got to press the power
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button and then you've got to swipe to dismiss the ad and that's the thing that gets me.
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That's the thing that makes me go, "Okay, fine.
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I'm going to pay the $20."
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Yeah, you've got to because they – especially in the little magnet case where when you open
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it, it automatically unlocks.
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They want you to be able to see the ad.
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They want you to see the ad.
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You would never see the ad otherwise.
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on iPad with a smart cover, you never see the lock screen if you're always opening
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the cover because it just automatically unlocks.
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And so even though I don't use a case and so I'm actually physically pressing the
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button and staring at that ad, it still makes me swipe.
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So I have to do power on and then swipe and now I can read my book.
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And that's what makes me spend the $20 to get the special offers.
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But it's a fascinating idea, right, that they do this, that they underprice their product
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by $20 in order to show you ads.
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Scott, do you do special offers?
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I always get the special offers.
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Always get the special offers.
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I buy too many Kindles not to get the special offers.
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Well that's true.
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That would add up over time.
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I have not been buying them.
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I've been buying them with special offers, but like I said, the last two I've unlocked
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after a while.
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The Paperwhite and then I actually just did it with a voyage today where I said, "Yeah,
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I'm just going to do the $20."
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So after a little while, you can go to one of those sites that has various Kindle hacking
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Do you guys know about Kindle hacking?
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>> I had no idea it was such a thing.
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>> Oh, I know about Kindle hacking.
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>> Oh, yeah.
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See, Scott knows.
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Scott knows.
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Yeah, so there's some sites out there that there is a Kindle jailbreak community, and
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you can jailbreak the Kindle.
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And the only thing I use in the jailbreak is you can--so if you don't have special offers,
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got these screensavers and they're like these really obscure like woodcuts of things themed
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around writing and reading or pictures of dead authors. Those are your choices I think.
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And they're not that great. And you can't, believe it or not, you can't like copy images
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onto the Kindle and have them used in the screensaver. It just, they won't let you do
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that. So that's the number one reason that I hacked my Paperwhite was if you jailbreak
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the Paperwhite and install this screensaver hack, you can load your own images as the
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screensaver or you can opt for it to use the cover of the book you're currently reading
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as your screensaver.
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Which I think is actually a great idea and I have no idea why Amazon doesn't offer that
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as an option for people who have turned off special offers because it's really cool to
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just see the cover art when you turn off your Kindle like it was a real book.
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Amazon is not interested they want like pictures abstract pictures of pens and
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type and the kobo just another shout out to kobo the kobo does display the cover
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of the book you're currently reading when you walk it by default look at that
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but they're no special offers the kobo special it makes no offers no every now
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and then there's a really great special offer like five dollars by by a ten
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dollar gift card for five dollars that happens every now and then you're like
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what? I just want to make sure you're paying attention. Yeah and I bought some books through
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it but but I hate the press the button and then swipe to turn it on that's really stupid.
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But I do like you should check out the others Kindle jail breaks they're out there I don't
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know I assume they haven't gotten it running yet maybe they have I haven't looked for the
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for the voyage but they definitely jail had the paperwhite jail broken not too long ago
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They did that pretty fast.
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And yeah, there's not a lot you need to do with a jailbroken Kindle.
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I mean, you can copy, convert EPUBs to MOBIs and just copy them on via USB.
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So it's not like Amazon prevents you from sideloading as much content as you want onto
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You could download EPUBs that are not DRMed and just, you run them through, is it, what's
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What's the app that you use to convert?
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- Yeah, Calibre or Caliber or Calibre or Hover.
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It's pronounced hover.
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Yeah, Calibre is the one that you basically can set up
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a workflow that says take these EPUBs,
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turn them into MOBIs, copy them onto my Kindle,
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and it does it and Amazon doesn't care,
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which is kind of cool.
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- And you can also use the send to Kindle
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to just send a MOBI to your Kindle
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and then it's stored in your cloud library.
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- Yeah, that's actually a feature that they added.
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They have improved some of the stuff
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with the Kindle software over time,
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like being able to add a book,
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and it stays in your library.
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It's not like a one-time load.
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It actually stays in there.
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Like your own personal books can stick around
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in the Kindle Cloud library.
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That was a nice touch.
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They let you reset your bookmark now,
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which for a while you had to like fill out several forms
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and testify in court that you didn't want.
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So I would read a book and then my wife would read the same Kindle book and every time she
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would open it, it would say, "It looks like you're at the end of this book.
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Would you like to jump to the end?"
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And she'd say, "No, I'm reading the book now."
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And there was no way to reset that feature and now you can do that.
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You can go to their, I think, the website and say, "Reset the bookmark," and it does
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It's a whisper sync.
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No, I'd say the...
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Yeah, yeah, it's...
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Yeah, I think so.
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I think it's all good now.
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It just took them a while to get there.
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The big thing that still drives me crazy, and I'm interested, especially for you, Scott,
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since you've been using the Kindle for so long.
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John Gruber wrote about this when the Paperwhite came out,
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and I agree with him 100%.
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It's sadly still true two years later,
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is the typography on these things is not,
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I mean, it's not terrible.
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I'd say it's mediocre.
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They're like six fonts,
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and most of them are not very good book fonts.
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And they're all justified, so they're fill-justified,
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so that they're, it's a straight line down the right side,
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which means, depending on how the words break,
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You can have like variably wide spaces between words on a line instead of just letting it
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run ragged right and being properly spaced.
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And it also doesn't do hyphenation, so it's even worse than it would be if it was hyphenated.
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And so it drives me crazy because it's like the screen is really beautiful now with the
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Voyage, but the typography is still kind of crappy.
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I think the Voyage would be a much better product if they had some better typefaces
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and some better type display options that they have.
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And that's one place where something like iBooks on the iPad has it just way beyond
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Kindle because the typography in iBooks is so much better than it is in the Kindle.
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And it's a real shame.
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I mean, fonts, you would think a product devoted to reading that perhaps fonts would be a priority,
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and I apparently not.
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Ben, I was going to ask you about that actually, Jason, because I have read many of these complaints
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and it doesn't bother me at all, mostly because I'm comparing it to--
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I read a lot of paperbacks, and if you look at the fonts and typography in a cheap paperback,
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they're awful, so I feel like it's an accurate representation of the paperback experience
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with the edit bonus that you can choose from six awful fonts, as opposed to the one that's
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set by the publisher.
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I don't know if they're all awful, but many of them, right?
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Like Palatino's fine, Baskerville's okay.
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I don't even know what I use, but I never change it, and it annoys me when I get a book.
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book that has the publisher default font.
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- And the publisher fonts are horrible,
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'cause whatever engine they use to embed fonts
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and then display embedded fonts,
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those fonts are almost always unreadable.
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- Yes, that's the worst.
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- And it used to be you couldn't change them.
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Now you can go away from publisher font
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to one of the six Kindle fonts
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and it'll let you do that, which is better.
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But it just drives me crazy.
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I'm looking at a page of the book that I'm reading right now
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and there's one line that happens to have
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broken in such a way that there's the equivalent of like five letters of space between every
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single word on that line because they're insisting that it be fill justified and that
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that right edge be solid, which is there's no need. I would like an option for that not
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to be the case and I would like more fonts. So, you know, this is an opportunity for somebody
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who really cares about typography to come in there and make the Kindle experience that
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much better and it's just you know I feel like they're not showing off that screen
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like that screen is now so high resolution that they and there was a story on I was looking
01:08:00
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it up today there's a story on TechCrunch I think that was reporting the rumors of this
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new they called it a new Paperwhite but it's very clearly the voyage and one of the things
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in their story was that there would be a new hand-tuned custom beautiful reading font made
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for the this beautiful new 300 dpi screen.
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Yeah, it's not it's I have to believe that they're spending they've spent so much time on the hardware
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And I think that with the the voyage is kind of the the pinnacle of their hardware push on the Kindle side
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that they they must be I'm hoping spending the same amount of time on the software and
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Because I mean you look at a paperwhite - or even a paperwhite next to the Kindle voyage at the software level and it's identical
01:08:45
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nearly identical. Yeah, like they added the ability to go back from a footnote.
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Or now the footnotes like pop up. Yeah, the little hover thing is like on your website.
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They hover. They hover. Yes, that's what they do, Myke. They hover. And yeah, the software is
01:09:06
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pretty primitive, and it's too bad that it isn't better. And that's why—the typography—that's
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why I bring it up, is that, you know, this could be better. Actually, the other thing that
01:09:15
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that annoys me and this might not bother you so much if you're just reading books
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on it but as somebody who also read the newspaper so I'd have a couple different
01:09:22
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things the home screen takes like a second to update and it always if it's
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sorted by the most recent thing you've opened so invariably in the morning I
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would turn on my Kindle it would have my novel from the night before I would
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press the home button you know tap in the menu bar to bring up the toolbar and
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then tap on the home button and it would bring me to the home screen and what I
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What I would see would be the newspaper followed by my book.
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And I would reach with my finger to press the newspaper and at the very last minute
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it would resort knowing I had just left my book and flip the book up to the top item
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and so then I'd tap on my book and it would be back in my book and I'd go "Noooo!"
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And it's just because the interface is slow and, you know, it's not that different from
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what it was like five years ago, really.
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- They haven't improved much on the interface.
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And I imagine one philosophy could be,
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well they just wanna keep it simple
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and make it disappear like you said.
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But I think they could invest a little bit more time
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in the interface and I'm not saying super whiz bang features
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but improved typography definitely.
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Even though it doesn't drive me crazy,
01:10:29
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it is much room for improvement there
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and maybe some justification options.
01:10:34
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- Yeah, keep it simple.
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Let's keep it simple.
01:10:38
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But it could be, I feel at this point now the hardware
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is really being let down by the software.
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I gave it more of a pass when it was early days
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and when the screens were still kinda coming up to speed.
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But now I feel like they're selling a $200,
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high resolution, beautiful product,
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and the software is still kinda clunky and bad.
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And that bothers me.
01:11:01
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But you don't normally see it.
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I mean the idea is that when you're in there,
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you're just reading, which is why only the typography
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really is an ongoing thing that bugs me.
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It's just that I wish that it was a little bit better
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because that's what I'm staring at all the time.
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I don't know.
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- And they have, to be fair to Amazon,
01:11:15
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they did add X-ray, which is kind of a cool software feature
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- And real page numbers, which is hard to describe
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as a software feature, but it is a software feature, right?
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- It is. - So that's kinda cool.
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- And actually the time countdown,
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which I do use sometimes, which is--
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- I do love that.
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- How long am I gonna be here?
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It's like, well, about 42 minutes and the book will be over.
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It's like, oh, that's good.
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how long is it until the end to the next chapter break?
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Oh, it's only five minutes.
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I can sit here and finish this chapter right now."
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Those are kind of neat features, that they learn what your paging speed is and then use
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that as the basis.
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I like that.
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Do you ever try and race against it?
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I'll show you, Kendall.
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Just press forward a bunch of times and be like, "Aha!"
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But then it thinks you're a really fast reader.
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I have been tempted to time it to see if it's accurate or not, but then I haven't done it,
01:12:03
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The real page numbers is…
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Actually real page numbers I don't really care about.
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They could be fake page numbers but I like, because they do match like the print edition
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so if you're reading and somebody's reading in print you can say it's on page 415 and
01:12:14
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it's actually page 415.
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But I just like it because I know then that, you know, I've read 400 pages of this book.
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It's not that, you know, it's not 200.
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It seems like I've been reading this a long time and then I'll look at the real page
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number and be like, "Yep, yep."
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Instead of back in the old days where it was like, "I'm at location 20834."
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I've read eight dots worth of this book.
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Right. How many dots are left to go? But, you know, I wouldn't give it up. I would
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choose to read a Kindle. Even if you gave me an old Kindle, I would probably choose
01:12:46
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to read it, although I really hated when I had to clip a book light onto an electronic
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device in order to read it in the dark. That was really stupid. But I could read novels
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on my iPad if I wanted to and it would be fine but I would prefer not to and yeah so
01:13:01
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I guess that means it is a luxury item right I mean I can read books on other even ebooks
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on other devices that I own so I don't need a Kindle but I do prefer reading on a Kindle
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to an iPhone or and I do read on an iPhone if I'm like somewhere in you know waiting
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at a doctor's office or something like that I'll read a book on my iPhone and the whisper
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sync is really nice there because I read a Kindle book it automatically knows where I
01:13:25
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I am and when I go back to my Kindle it knows where I left off and that's great.
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But if I could choose, and I'm fortunate enough to be able to choose, I choose to read on
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I like it better.
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>>Scott Hanselman That's because it is better.
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Although I really like the page turn buttons, the bezel is so narrow and they're so close
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to the edge that I find sometimes my finger will just rotate, will just roll over a little
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bit and it will touch the touch screen and when I'm trying to go forward, suddenly
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I'm accidentally paging backward because it's sensing the touch on the left side
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of the screen.
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It strikes me that that perhaps is a software problem too and that they ought to be a little
01:14:19
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less sensitive when you're touching right on the edge of the screen next to your page
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turn buttons.
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But that's something that I noticed.
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>> I have had the same thing.
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And I notice it's with when I'm using my non-dominant hand, so my left hand, I sometimes just accidentally
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page back because I'm touching the touch screen instead of just pushing the whatever the fake
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>> Yeah, that's a stupid hand and it doesn't know where it's touching and it touches just
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slightly off and suddenly and you know you're trying to go forward but you move slightly
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off and suddenly you're going back.
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And it feels like they ought to be smart about like that very edge of the screen on both
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sides by those buttons should not be trusted.
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It should be sort of like the iPad lockout thing where if you're holding it by the bezel,
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it's intelligent enough to know that you're probably not touching the screen there.
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This Kindle probably needs that.
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But I'm better at it now.
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I was, before I was picking it up when it was on already, I'd put it down for a minute
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and then I'd pick it up and I'd advance like five pages and I'd be like, "No, I'm squeezing
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the button too hard and now I'm better at that too.
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It's just your phenomenal strength that's causing you problems.
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Well fortunately you can use software to calibrate just how hard you have to squeeze the Kindle
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for it to turn a page and how much it vibrates when you do.
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So thanks Amazon.
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How hard do you squeeze your Kindle Jason and how much does it vibrate?
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I try to be gentle with my Kindle Scott and it vibrates moderately.
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I'm gentle with it and it's gentle with me.
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That's good.
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Matthew: Mr. Scott McNulty, it has been a pleasure having you as part of this show.
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Thank you for being a great knowledge of the Kindle world and also for forcing us to finally
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have this discussion that we've been promising for so long.
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I have done my duty.
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And you will never not be our inaugural guest.
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They can't take that away from you.
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Unless we erase this show and pretend it never happened.
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Which could happen.
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You were going to say, "You will never be on again."
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David: Maybe when the next Kindle comes out.
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Pete: I notice my popularity gets a brief blip when the Kindle comes out.
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And then I go back into obscurity.
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David; And that's the reason he buys them all, folks.
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Pete; Please, someone pay attention to me.
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Jared; And we should say that Scott, if you enjoyed listening to Scott, you can listen
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to him every week on Random Trek, which is a podcast on the Incomparable Podcast Network,
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which is a podcast network that is not Relay FM, but is also very nice.
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And so go to the incomparable dot com slash random trek or random trek dot com will take
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you to a page completely controlled by Scott McNulty.
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And if for some reason you can't remember either of those, there are links in the show
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Relay dot FM slash upgrade slash eight.
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There's one more thing I want to mention before we go.
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We are still conducting our listener survey, which is a great way for us to try and understand
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a little bit more about you and try to help us find great advertisers to talk to you about
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great products like our great advertisers today.
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If you go to podsurvey.com/upgrade, fill in the information there.
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If you filled in a survey for any other show, please fill in this one too.
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And if you use the same machine, then all your survey answers will be remembered, which
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So you won't have to type them all in again.
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you can type them all in again if you want to. I don't know why you would but you can.
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So it's podsurvey.com/upgrade and you will also be in the chance to win a $100 Amazon
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gift card if you fill out the survey so please do that for us.
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That's a lot of Kindle books. Lots of Kindle books you can buy with that $100 gift card.
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You can buy a whole Kindle. You can buy that Kindle Touch with that gift card and have
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money left over for books. Look at that. Look at that. Synergy. Synergy. I am @imicontwitter.
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I am YK e mr. Jason's now is at J Snell J s and e double L
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He writes the at the fantastic six colors calm and if you'd like to follow mr
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Scott McNulty on Twitter you can to ease at blank baby on Twitter, which will save that story for another day
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Maybe I don't know if there is a story but it sounds interesting
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Thank you all for listening to this week's episode of upgrade
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Thank you again to our sponsors clubhouse and hover and we'll be back next time. Say goodbye Jason. Ahoy friend
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I think that's the start.
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But we'll go there anyway.
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Ahoy is like aloha, Myke.
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It means hello and goodbye.
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