Upgrade

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00:00:04 ◼   ► Welcome back to another episode of Upgrade on Relay FM.

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00:00:17 ◼   ► And our new friends, Jason, our new friends.

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00:00:27 ◼   ► My name is Myke Hurley and you've already heard him by now.

00:00:29 ◼   ► It's Mr. Jason Snell.

00:00:30 ◼   ► - Hi Myke. - He's online.

00:00:31 ◼   ► - How's it going? - Hi Jason.

00:00:32 ◼   ► Very well sir, how are you?

00:00:33 ◼   ► - I'm doing very well.

00:00:34 ◼   ► I have almost written my Kindle voyage review

00:00:37 ◼   ► and in fact, to ensure, this is insurance.

00:00:42 ◼   ► To make sure we actually talk about the Kindle today,

00:00:46 ◼   ► I have invited a special guest,

00:00:48 ◼   ► our first special upgrade guest.

00:00:50 ◼   ► And the reason we invited this gentleman

00:00:52 ◼   ► is because he is an expert when it comes to the Kindle.

00:00:56 ◼   ► It's Scott McNulty.

00:00:59 ◼   ► Hi, Scott.

00:01:00 ◼   ► - I'm very tempted to say something about Siri,

00:01:03 ◼   ► but I'm not going to.

00:01:04 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:01:05 ◼   ► - Don't do it.

00:01:06 ◼   ► - I was going to say it, but I didn't.

00:01:08 ◼   ► I'm not going to.

00:01:09 ◼   ► - Ahoy, Scott McNulty.

00:01:10 ◼   ► - Thank you for having me on.

00:01:14 ◼   ► - It's good to have you here.

00:01:16 ◼   ► So before we get started with the main topic of the show,

00:01:19 ◼   ► which indeed is Kindles and things and such,

00:01:24 ◼   ► perhaps it's time for some follow-up.

00:01:26 ◼   ► We don't have a sound effect for follow up though, Myke.

00:01:28 ◼   ► - Follow up.

00:01:29 ◼   ► - Thank you.

00:01:30 ◼   ► - No problem.

00:01:31 ◼   ► - That's scary.

00:01:32 ◼   ► We might get in trouble.

00:01:33 ◼   ► Five by five, is five by five gonna get mad

00:01:36 ◼   ► if you even say follow up in that tone ever?

00:01:39 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:01:40 ◼   ► - I don't know, I think Steven might get mad.

00:01:41 ◼   ► - Ah, that's fair.

00:01:44 ◼   ► We talked about, in I think our last episode,

00:01:48 ◼   ► we talked about test flight and getting approval

00:01:53 ◼   ► for betas using Apple's new test flight system.

00:01:57 ◼   ► And I wanted to point out, first off,

00:02:01 ◼   ► Myke, you put this in the show notes, but it's great.

00:02:02 ◼   ► It's Marco Arment on Twitter said that his beta

00:02:06 ◼   ► was approved in test flight for external testing in one day.

00:02:09 ◼   ► And then we also heard from listener Glenn,

00:02:12 ◼   ► who said his first time review was less than 24 hours.

00:02:16 ◼   ► And then with each initial no significant changes update,

00:02:21 ◼   ► those were processed in about half an hour.

00:02:23 ◼   ► it seemed to just be a kind of a server automated thing.

00:02:26 ◼   ► So it sounds like the TestFlight stuff

00:02:28 ◼   ► is happening much faster than we were kind of anticipating

00:02:31 ◼   ► for a traditional app review.

00:02:32 ◼   ► So that's good news, I think.

00:02:34 ◼   ► We were worried that they were,

00:02:36 ◼   ► Apple was gonna get in people's way.

00:02:38 ◼   ► - Just on that subject,

00:02:41 ◼   ► have you had many betas come to you via TestFlight yet?

00:02:45 ◼   ► - I think I have three in there right now.

00:02:47 ◼   ► And it's funny, one of the things that it does

00:02:50 ◼   ► is it sends you a push notification when there's a new beta,

00:02:53 ◼   ► which is actually pretty awesome.

00:02:55 ◼   ► - Well, I get push notifications and emails,

00:02:58 ◼   ► which is awesome. - Yes, yes.

00:02:59 ◼   ► - So I need to try and find a way

00:03:00 ◼   ► to stop both of those things happening.

00:03:02 ◼   ► - Right, and then there was one app,

00:03:04 ◼   ► and I don't wanna mention who it was,

00:03:05 ◼   ► and I don't know whether they were having a problem

00:03:06 ◼   ► with the system, but I got like five push notifications

00:03:09 ◼   ► saying that there was a new beta.

00:03:10 ◼   ► I think maybe they just kept uploading new versions

00:03:12 ◼   ► and finding bugs, but it was like within an hour,

00:03:15 ◼   ► there were like four notifications.

00:03:17 ◼   ► - I have also had that with someone too.

00:03:20 ◼   ► So that was why I was very annoyed

00:03:21 ◼   ► to continue receiving new emails.

00:03:23 ◼   ► It felt like every time I deleted an email,

00:03:24 ◼   ► I had another email.

00:03:25 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:03:26 ◼   ► - Shut up.

00:03:27 ◼   ► Please stop now.

00:03:29 ◼   ► Anytime you wanna stop.

00:03:30 ◼   ► I like the system.

00:03:31 ◼   ► I like going in and having a little list

00:03:33 ◼   ► and just downloading it.

00:03:34 ◼   ► I like that I can access them on my iPad and my iPhone

00:03:38 ◼   ► very easily.

00:03:39 ◼   ► I don't have to do the provisioning profiles thing,

00:03:41 ◼   ► which just seemed to always randomly break for me

00:03:43 ◼   ► with hockey and with previous TestFlight.

00:03:48 ◼   ► I always found that it just broke constantly.

00:03:51 ◼   ► And one other thing that frustrates me

00:03:53 ◼   ► is the little yellow dot, which won't go away.

00:03:56 ◼   ► So when you have a beta, you know when you update

00:03:59 ◼   ► an application, dear listeners, you will see

00:04:03 ◼   ► that little blue dot which appears next to the app.

00:04:06 ◼   ► - That's, hey, you haven't opened this app yet.

00:04:08 ◼   ► We should know about this, right.

00:04:09 ◼   ► - And then it goes away.

00:04:11 ◼   ► But however, I now have little yellow dots

00:04:13 ◼   ► sprinkled about the place which do not go away for betas.

00:04:16 ◼   ► - No. - They will not go away

00:04:17 ◼   ► and I don't like that.

00:04:18 ◼   ► - I agree with you, it bugs me.

00:04:20 ◼   ► But in general, it seems like a pretty good thing.

00:04:23 ◼   ► So I'll deal with the bugged part of it.

00:04:28 ◼   ► And it's good to know that the turnaround for approval

00:04:32 ◼   ► is not so bad.

00:04:33 ◼   ► But it's all right.

00:04:34 ◼   ► TestFlight is not new, but this Apple TestFlight version

00:04:37 ◼   ► is new, so I guess they'll learn and adapt, hopefully.

00:04:41 ◼   ► I don't need five push notifications, though.

00:04:44 ◼   ► That's not--

00:04:45 ◼   ► - Here's one interesting tweet that I did see

00:04:47 ◼   ► that I haven't put in follow-up,

00:04:49 ◼   ► I'm going to mention it to you now.

00:04:52 ◼   ► - Surprise follow-up.

00:04:53 ◼   ► - Yeah, Martin Herring, who is the developer of Instacast,

00:04:58 ◼   ► he was having trouble.

00:05:00 ◼   ► Apple were rejecting his TestFlight app review

00:05:05 ◼   ► because of a bug in iOS 8.1.

00:05:08 ◼   ► So iOS 8.1 has an issue with iCloud,

00:05:13 ◼   ► and it's crashing apps when you open them.

00:05:16 ◼   ► and Apple were rejecting his app

00:05:19 ◼   ► because it was crashing at launch.

00:05:21 ◼   ► There's literally nothing you can do about it.

00:05:23 ◼   ► I think he's ended up fixing it though for another version,

00:05:25 ◼   ► but it's just interesting to think that

00:05:27 ◼   ► there are sometimes now going to be

00:05:29 ◼   ► things outside of your control

00:05:31 ◼   ► that you expect to be fixed by the time you release, I guess,

00:05:33 ◼   ► but Apple haven't been able to fix it.

00:05:35 ◼   ► So this raises the question,

00:05:37 ◼   ► what happens when people are testing against betas

00:05:41 ◼   ► later in the year?

00:05:42 ◼   ► How's that gonna work?

00:05:44 ◼   ► I wonder if there'll be something different in that time.

00:05:46 ◼   ► - Right. - So when iOS 9 is in beta,

00:05:49 ◼   ► how will people be distributing tests?

00:05:51 ◼   ► Like, will they still be testing for them,

00:05:52 ◼   ► and will Apple allow that, and that kind of stuff.

00:05:54 ◼   ► So it'd be interesting to see what happens there.

00:05:56 ◼   ► - Yikes. - But I hope that

00:05:58 ◼   ► all the kinks have worked out and that people adopt it,

00:06:00 ◼   ► because I think it feels like a much better system,

00:06:04 ◼   ► at least for testers.

00:06:05 ◼   ► I assume it's pretty good for the developers too,

00:06:09 ◼   ► the people starting to use it.

00:06:10 ◼   ► - Well, just not having to maintain that list of UDIDs

00:06:12 ◼   ► just being able to get a list of people with their iCloud IDs and using those.

00:06:17 ◼   ► And you know, because I know they dreaded like new devices coming out because it completely

00:06:23 ◼   ► screwed up all the beta testing because their beta testers would upgrade their devices and

00:06:26 ◼   ► then those lists would be no good and it was this endless maintenance of UDIDs which is

00:06:31 ◼   ► stupid.

00:06:32 ◼   ► So just for that it'll be a big win for lots of developers I think.

00:06:36 ◼   ► And I guess if you want it, you can have much larger testing pools now.

00:06:41 ◼   ► Yeah, it can be beneficial. Yeah, exactly and every one of your people just by being on your list contested on all their devices

00:06:48 ◼   ► Which is really nice. Yeah

00:06:50 ◼   ► I've got some very silly follow-up, but I liked it. This is a listener

00:06:54 ◼   ► Unai, Unai, I don't know how to pronounce it, but he's in Spain and he wants us to do a

00:07:01 ◼   ► vertical on cheese and he wants to sponsor it and

00:07:05 ◼   ► sponsor it via by sending Manchego cheese to you

00:07:09 ◼   ► Because you're close closer to him than me because he's in Spain just to let him know the good cheeses

00:07:14 ◼   ► We produce in Spain. So I've never had manchego cheese. You should it's very good

00:07:19 ◼   ► What's what's different about manchego cheese to regular cheese? Oh, I don't know Scott. Have you had manchego? I

00:07:24 ◼   ► Enjoy manchego on a regular basis. See Scott. Can you explain the difference between manchego cheese and regular cheese?

00:07:31 ◼   ► I believe and I could be wrong and I probably am is manchego a sheep

00:07:37 ◼   ► It is it is a sheet cheese. I believe yeah well there go so it's so you know most cheeses

00:07:44 ◼   ► Perhaps not most but many cheeses are cows milk so sheep milk has a different taste and the I'm sure the Spaniards do some kind of

00:07:52 ◼   ► crazy

00:07:53 ◼   ► Thing to turn manjago cheese. I assume it's a Basque product. It could not be yeah

00:07:57 ◼   ► I think I think I think it may be and it's it's a um it's certainly from that that area

00:08:02 ◼   ► I think up by the French border and

00:08:06 ◼   ► Whether it's is it just basque or is it also in Catalonia?

00:08:08 ◼   ► I don't know, but I do know a little bit about Spanish geography a tiny bit but

00:08:13 ◼   ► It's a hard cheese. It's not a like a like a gooey kind of cheese. It's a hard cheese, and it's uh yeah

00:08:19 ◼   ► It's just tasty. I enjoy it actually

00:08:21 ◼   ► Most when I put a little tomato jam on it

00:08:25 ◼   ► With the recipe from the book the cookbook that Scott's wife wrote

00:08:29 ◼   ► So there's a double endorsement that manchego with the tomato jam so tasty

00:08:35 ◼   ► So I guess when you asked Scott the question if he has manchego cheese you were really hoping that you had considering his wife

00:08:41 ◼   ► well, no because so so Scott's wife Marisa has has written

00:08:47 ◼   ► cookbooks now about canning and putting food in jars her website is food and jars calm and with the

00:08:54 ◼   ► Untold story there or like okay. It's been told Scott's told it is he doesn't need anything that comes out of jars basically

00:09:01 ◼   ► So he doesn't need any of these things that she cooks for her cookbooks

00:09:04 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't like jam or pickles and that's a large portion of what she does

00:09:09 ◼   ► It's she makes a corn salsa. That's very tasty. It's the things inside the jars. That's the problem. Or do you just not like jars?

00:09:16 ◼   ► Well, if I didn't like jars, I would be in the wrong apartment

00:09:20 ◼   ► I was for laying on the floor of our living room for some reason and I

00:09:25 ◼   ► Put my hand under our couch and I hit a box of jars

00:09:30 ◼   ► There are jars under our bed. There are jars everywhere. So it's mostly what's in them that I don't like

00:09:35 ◼   ► I know they're delicious to other people. I just don't like fruit really real-time cheese follow-up

00:09:39 ◼   ► Real-time cheese follow-up manchego is from the La Mancha region in central Spain

00:09:46 ◼   ► So it's not up by the border man of La Mancha as much La Mancha manchego there. That's

00:09:52 ◼   ► See and it is uh, yeah, it's a it's a sheep cheese

00:09:57 ◼   ► It's my age. It's mild tasty aged sheep's cheese. So thank you chat room

00:10:02 ◼   ► For our cheese well literally, where would we be without the chaperone?

00:10:07 ◼   ► Not eating cheese. That's for sure

00:10:10 ◼   ► So what other follow-up do we have Myke you something yeah, yeah something I saw on your site

00:10:18 ◼   ► Your lovely website six colors calm. It's NaNoWriMo time. It is in September so

00:10:26 ◼   ► For anybody that doesn't know I'm gonna do a terrible job explaining it

00:10:29 ◼   ► Nana Raimo is during the month of November where lots of clever people try and write a novel, right?

00:10:35 ◼   ► Right. This is this is almost as good as me explaining what Scott's wife does while Scott is on the line

00:10:40 ◼   ► Let's just go all the way around and then Scott will explain how relay FM works and we'll be done

00:10:46 ◼   ► Yeah, it's Nana Raimo is short for national novel writing month because it started as a joke

00:10:53 ◼   ► a bunch of friends actually in the Bay Area. And then they set up a website and people

00:10:58 ◼   ► were able to sign up. And what it is now is it's an international, it's all over the

00:11:01 ◼   ► world, international community of people who are writing fiction. And for the month of

00:11:06 ◼   ► November everybody signs up and it's free. You go to nanowrimo.org, you sign up and you

00:11:12 ◼   ► can write a, the goal is 50,000 words by the end of November, which is roughly 1,700 words

00:11:18 ◼   ► a day, and I've done it six times, and succeeded all six times at breaking 50,000 words, and

00:11:25 ◼   ► now I'm actually on the board of directors.

00:11:27 ◼   ► It's a nonprofit that runs it and has the people who develop the software that runs

00:11:30 ◼   ► on the server and keeps the servers live, and there are a bunch of staff.

00:11:35 ◼   ► There's a little staff in Berkeley, California that does stuff like there's a young writers

00:11:38 ◼   ► program that works on building educational materials so that teachers have materials

00:11:44 ◼   ► to use to teach writing to their kids in class.

00:11:49 ◼   ► And yeah, it's a great--and there are volunteers all over the world who are in different regions

00:11:53 ◼   ► doing meetups and what they call "write-ins" where people come and meet somewhere and they

00:11:57 ◼   ► hang out with the other writers and they write.

00:12:00 ◼   ► So it's a great organization.

00:12:02 ◼   ► I encourage people to go to the site and consider doing it.

00:12:05 ◼   ► My first NaNoWriMo I didn't start until like the sixth or seventh of the month, so even

00:12:09 ◼   ► now it's not too late.

00:12:10 ◼   ► And if not this year, consider it for next year.

00:12:13 ◼   ► And if you do try it and think it's a good idea, I would say donate, because I know now

00:12:18 ◼   ► the details of how harrowing non-profits' finances can be, and they could use some donations.

00:12:24 ◼   ► Donations are good.

00:12:25 ◼   ► And if people are out there listening who know somebody who you think would be really

00:12:30 ◼   ► awesome as, like if you know an author or something like that, who you think would be

00:12:33 ◼   ► awesome for us to know at NaNoWriMo, you should let me know.

00:12:37 ◼   ► Drop me a line, because we're always looking for—we've had support of some great writers

00:12:41 ◼   ► over the years who've written things for NaNoWriMo for newsletters or whatever. But I love it.

00:12:46 ◼   ► I've written three novels which are like in draft form in a drawer somewhere. And that

00:12:51 ◼   ► would never happen. I would never have written the first one without NaNoWriMo just about

00:12:56 ◼   ► making that commitment and saying, "Yeah, I'm going to do this." And you know, 79 words

00:12:59 ◼   ► a day, it's a lot, but it's only for a month and then you can stop. And it's actually a

00:13:07 ◼   ► lot of fun. So I recommend it. I think it's a really awesome, creative... I keep likening

00:13:13 ◼   ► it to climbing a mountain or running a marathon, neither of which I'm ever going to do. But

00:13:17 ◼   ► like that, writing a novel was always something that I said I thought I would do someday and

00:13:21 ◼   ► I was never going to do it. And then the first NaNoWriMo was like, "I'm going to do this,"

00:13:25 ◼   ► and I did it. So sometimes that's all it takes.

00:13:28 ◼   ► Now that you're gainfully fun-employed, are you going to do NaNoWriMo this time around?

00:13:35 ◼   ► I'm not doing NaNoWriMo this time around, mostly because, like I said, I've got those

00:13:39 ◼   ► three novels already written and I would really like to rewrite them and get them out there.

00:13:45 ◼   ► Even if it's self-publishing them, I'd like to get them out in the world.

00:13:48 ◼   ► So I'm trying not to write more new stuff and instead spend some time.

00:13:53 ◼   ► So I'm hoping to revise one of those this month and get it out in the world.

00:13:59 ◼   ► So we'll see.

00:14:00 ◼   ► Cool.

00:14:01 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:14:02 ◼   ► It's fun.

00:14:03 ◼   ► I've started many files on the Purse of November. Nice! The idea that I would do it and then about,

00:14:11 ◼   ► oh, the second of November I stop. Well, that's efficient. You're not throwing away work that way.

00:14:17 ◼   ► That's good. I get a solid thousand words and then I'm done. I don't know what it was. It was

00:14:23 ◼   ► something about that first time that I did it and I thought this is--I don't know, a lot of writers

00:14:27 ◼   ► are so motivated by deadlines and that's the case for me. If I set myself a deadline, I'm gonna

00:14:32 ◼   ► meet it.

00:14:33 ◼   ► And for NaNoWriMo, I essentially was saying, "By the end of this month, you're going

00:14:36 ◼   ► to have 50,000 words," and I managed to do it.

00:14:39 ◼   ► But I think it takes that kind of mentality of like, "I'm going to do this.

00:14:43 ◼   ► I'm going to commit to this," and then dealing with those deadlines.

00:14:47 ◼   ► Because it is essentially a 1667-word deadline every single day, and if you get behind, you

00:14:53 ◼   ► got to make it up.

00:14:55 ◼   ► You can't skate by, so you end up with a Saturday where you write 8,000 words to get

00:14:59 ◼   ► back on pace.

00:15:00 ◼   ► It's fun, but it is a lot of work.

00:15:07 ◼   ► Just because we say it fast and it's a weird word.

00:15:13 ◼   ► >> It's a great word.

00:15:15 ◼   ► I like the way it sounds.

00:15:16 ◼   ► >> NaNoWriMo.

00:15:17 ◼   ► Yeah, it's good.

00:15:18 ◼   ► The nonprofit used to be called something else and we realized that National Novel Writing

00:15:21 ◼   ► Month, NaNoWriMo, that's what it is.

00:15:23 ◼   ► That's how people know it.

00:15:24 ◼   ► So that's the name of the organization.

00:15:28 ◼   ► We got a little more feedback.

00:15:29 ◼   ► I got a really nice email from somebody who wishes to remain anonymous who works in Apple

00:15:33 ◼   ► retail.

00:15:34 ◼   ► And this was a plea to us and to our listeners.

00:15:40 ◼   ► Please God, don't come in and say, "Ahoy, telephone."

00:15:44 ◼   ► It's the modern equivalent of setting alarms, apparently, which people still do and it's

00:15:48 ◼   ► still just as annoying.

00:15:49 ◼   ► They set alarms on all the phones in the Apple Store.

00:15:52 ◼   ► That's really bad.

00:15:53 ◼   ► We've also recently had to deal with folks coming in and literally trying to bend the

00:15:57 ◼   ► iPhone 6 Plus because they heard it was bendable on the news. So a plea from Apple retail,

00:16:01 ◼   ► do not go in there and as a prank, shout Ahoy telephone.

00:16:05 ◼   ► >> Or bend the phones. Don't bend the phones.

00:16:07 ◼   ► >> Don't bend the phones. Actually that would be funny if you set an alarm using Ahoy telephone

00:16:13 ◼   ► while attempting to bend the phones just because they could just take a dart and just take

00:16:18 ◼   ► you out right there. That's enough of you. So I thought that was good and I appreciate

00:16:23 ◼   ► getting that letter from a listener in Apple retail. We definitely do not encourage that,

00:16:27 ◼   ► although it was funny to see that video of one of our listeners very quietly trying to

00:16:33 ◼   ► say it because he didn't want to get thrown out of the store. And in fact, listener Shep,

00:16:37 ◼   ► who we've heard around before, sent us a picture or maybe it was a video, it was from one of

00:16:42 ◼   ► the Apple stores in New York City and he tried to do an Ahoy telephone and they had turned

00:16:48 ◼   ► it off. So they're getting wise. The Apple Store is getting wise to the Ahoy telephone

00:16:54 ◼   ► problem. Hooray. And we have one last piece of feedback, Myke. This is about you and your

00:17:00 ◼   ► desire to buy a Mac Mini. Are you tired of this one yet? Have you bought anything yet?

00:17:07 ◼   ► I haven't bought anything yet.

00:17:08 ◼   ► All right. Listener Brian says to listen to listenership, who said get something, get

00:17:14 ◼   ► the old four core Mac Mini from, while you can from someone.

00:17:19 ◼   ► He endorsed PowerMax.com as a real company, by the way.

00:17:23 ◼   ► I actually heard, there's actually a guy I talk with a lot

00:17:26 ◼   ► on Twitter and I met at XOXO this year who actually works

00:17:30 ◼   ► at PowerMax.com, he said, "Yeah, we're real."

00:17:32 ◼   ► I was like, "Sorry, sorry."

00:17:34 ◼   ► I mean, just, you know. - Sounds fishy still.

00:17:36 ◼   ► - Yeah, well, it is that Homer Simpson alias.

00:17:39 ◼   ► But he also said, obviously, look at the refurbishing

00:17:43 ◼   ► clearance on the Apple online store.

00:17:46 ◼   ► - Yeah, I've been checking that, nothing.

00:17:48 ◼   ► - And mentioned that Mac Mini Cola will sometimes

00:17:50 ◼   ► sell used minis too, but his fear, and I fear this is

00:17:54 ◼   ► gonna be the case too, is that those quad core minis

00:17:56 ◼   ► are gonna now go up in value because they don't make 'em

00:17:59 ◼   ► anymore and so they might be harder to find,

00:18:01 ◼   ► but it's worth looking around.

00:18:03 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:18:05 ◼   ► - Thank you Brian and Shep for your advice.

00:18:07 ◼   ► - They care, Myke, they care.

00:18:08 ◼   ► - They do care.

00:18:09 ◼   ► - They're worried about you.

00:18:11 ◼   ► - I like that about them.

00:18:13 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:18:14 ◼   ► - I wanna take a quick moment, Jason,

00:18:16 ◼   ► before we start talking about Kindles and Amazon and such.

00:18:19 ◼   ► - I hope this is related to friends.

00:18:21 ◼   ► - Of course, of course.

00:18:23 ◼   ► This is a-- - We wanna hear

00:18:24 ◼   ► from our friends. - We wanna hear

00:18:24 ◼   ► from our friends. - All right, good.

00:18:26 ◼   ► - These are our new friends at Clubhouse.

00:18:28 ◼   ► Clubhouse is something that's completely brand new,

00:18:30 ◼   ► and I wanna tell you all about it.

00:18:31 ◼   ► Clubhouse is a platform that allows you

00:18:33 ◼   ► to create private communities where people can be themselves

00:18:36 ◼   ► without ever having to worry about

00:18:38 ◼   ► a whole larger social network leering in

00:18:41 ◼   ► and joining the conversation unwanted.

00:18:43 ◼   ► Everyone on Clubhouse is part of a defined community

00:18:47 ◼   ► that they choose to join.

00:18:49 ◼   ► With Clubhouse, as a community owner,

00:18:51 ◼   ► so if you wanna sign up and you start a new community

00:18:54 ◼   ► on Clubhouse, you're able to do all of the things

00:18:56 ◼   ► that you'd wanna do, like change colors,

00:18:58 ◼   ► you can add logos, and you can create the brand

00:19:01 ◼   ► that sits around the community that you have.

00:19:03 ◼   ► Let's say, for example, you run a, you run NaNoWriMo

00:19:08 ◼   ► and you want a NaNoWriMo community in Clubhouse,

00:19:11 ◼   ► for example, you can do that.

00:19:13 ◼   ► So you can have community members

00:19:15 ◼   ► that will sign up to Clubhouse,

00:19:16 ◼   ► and they're able to go in on their phones or on the web,

00:19:19 ◼   ► and they're able to take part in the communities.

00:19:21 ◼   ► People can chat for free within there.

00:19:23 ◼   ► They have great activity streams

00:19:25 ◼   ► that let people in your community easily chat,

00:19:26 ◼   ► post comments, they can post photos as well.

00:19:29 ◼   ► And you're able to integrate with external sources

00:19:31 ◼   ► like Twitter, Instagram, to pull in relevant content.

00:19:35 ◼   ► You can have just hashtags appear, for example.

00:19:38 ◼   ► but say you're in Instagram and you just want all of the hashtag

00:19:42 ◼   ► Manchago to pop up into your community, you can do that.

00:19:45 ◼   ► So you can have all that stuff come in.

00:19:47 ◼   ► The members of each clubhouse as well can earn points

00:19:50 ◼   ► for interacting within the community.

00:19:51 ◼   ► So these points can then add up to a whole ranking system

00:19:54 ◼   ► so you can see who's contributing the most within a community.

00:19:56 ◼   ► You're able to set up missions for people to complete as well.

00:19:59 ◼   ► So like post a picture of yourself whilst at Whole Foods using Apple Pay.

00:20:05 ◼   ► And anybody that does that, you can award them points

00:20:07 ◼   ► and then you can rank all of your members together,

00:20:09 ◼   ► and it's like a way to build more fun within the community.

00:20:13 ◼   ► Clubhouse works as well as something called modules.

00:20:16 ◼   ► Now, these modules allow you to add in different types

00:20:19 ◼   ► of functionality into your Clubhouse.

00:20:21 ◼   ► So they have things that allow you to add events.

00:20:24 ◼   ► You can have SoundCloud and RSS feed integration.

00:20:27 ◼   ► They even have their own ticketing system,

00:20:29 ◼   ► which has QR code generation,

00:20:31 ◼   ► so you can charge the tickets to an event

00:20:33 ◼   ► or set up tickets to an event

00:20:34 ◼   ► and let people in on the door.

00:20:36 ◼   ► This is one of the ways that Clubhouse got started,

00:20:39 ◼   ► doing this type of thing, and then they expanded it out

00:20:41 ◼   ► to be this whole community platform.

00:20:43 ◼   ► And these are the things that you pay for.

00:20:45 ◼   ► So Clubhouse have a real defined business model,

00:20:47 ◼   ► which is really important, especially for anything

00:20:49 ◼   ► that's social related these days.

00:20:51 ◼   ► Everything like chat related and stuff like that is free,

00:20:55 ◼   ► but then you can add in different things

00:20:57 ◼   ► like the ticketing system or event creation,

00:20:59 ◼   ► and you as a community owner pay every month

00:21:02 ◼   ► for that functionality.

00:21:04 ◼   ► But the people that join your community,

00:21:06 ◼   ► they join for free and they don't have to pay.

00:21:08 ◼   ► But so it's up to you as a community owner

00:21:09 ◼   ► and you can maybe sell tickets to things

00:21:12 ◼   ► and it's a way you can make money, for example.

00:21:14 ◼   ► Even with Clubhouse it's possible to break your Clubhouse

00:21:17 ◼   ► into its own standalone app so that you can do that.

00:21:19 ◼   ► You can get the tier that you can pay for

00:21:23 ◼   ► and you can basically build out your own app.

00:21:25 ◼   ► They manage all of the App Store stuff for you,

00:21:27 ◼   ► all of the bits and bobs, all the admin

00:21:30 ◼   ► that go into App Store, like processes and approvals

00:21:34 ◼   ► and all that.

00:21:34 ◼   ► take care of all of that so you don't have to worry about it.

00:21:37 ◼   ► So you can try out Clubhouse for free right now as a community creator by going to

00:21:42 ◼   ► clubhouse.cc/relay.

00:21:45 ◼   ► Now doing this will get you something really awesome and they're doing something

00:21:48 ◼   ► which is really super cool.

00:21:50 ◼   ► So they're doing a really heavily discounted premium plan.

00:21:53 ◼   ► So basically if you sign up at clubhouse.cc/relay and start your community there,

00:22:00 ◼   ► you'll see when you go to add a module, when you go into your Clubhouse you want to add

00:22:04 ◼   ► modules so it adds like the event stuff or stuff you will see a special Relay Unlimited.

00:22:09 ◼   ► This unlocks all of the premium modules so you have access to everything for just $50

00:22:13 ◼   ► a month or $500 a year and that's an incredible deal.

00:22:17 ◼   ► When you start to look through you literally will be saving hundreds of dollars because

00:22:21 ◼   ► you'll be able to access everything that Clubhouse can do for you.

00:22:25 ◼   ► So go to clubhouse.cc/relay go and check them out and just see you can sign up for free

00:22:30 ◼   ► and start a community for free you don't have to pay anything but then if you want to go

00:22:33 ◼   ► to the premium stuff if you sign up via that URL you'll get access to the whole thing.

00:22:38 ◼   ► Thank you so much to Clubhouse for their support of Relay FM and Upgrade.

00:22:42 ◼   ► Look for us in #Manchego.

00:22:45 ◼   ► You should do that.

00:22:47 ◼   ► So Myke, back in episode 1 I think we talked about that we were going to talk about Kindle

00:22:53 ◼   ► sometime.

00:22:55 ◼   ► Yep and we're now up to episode 8 today.

00:23:01 ◼   ► So should we talk about Kindles?

00:23:02 ◼   ► I definitely think we should.

00:23:03 ◼   ► Let's change the subject, Scott. What do you say? Let's not talk about kittens.

00:23:06 ◼   ► Manchego it is.

00:23:07 ◼   ► Canning and food and jars. So, yeah, I was really excited when the week that this show started was

00:23:19 ◼   ► the week that Apple--or Apple, geez. Amazon. Apple's the one with charts with numbers on them.

00:23:24 ◼   ► Amazon announced the new Kindle Voyage, which shipped last week, I want to say.

00:23:31 ◼   ► say. And it's out and I've got it and I know Scott's got it. Scott, you have every Kindle

00:23:39 ◼   ► ever, right? Is that accurate?

00:23:41 ◼   ► >> SCOTT - Well, if you're being pedantic, I don't.

00:23:45 ◼   ► >> MATT - Are you missing one of the DXs or something?

00:23:48 ◼   ► >> SCOTT - No, I have both DXs. I don't have - Amazon started offering the models where

00:23:56 ◼   ► you could get the 3G or just the Wi-Fi, so I switched to just Wi-Fi.

00:24:01 ◼   ► So I don't have every variant, but I have every major model of Kindle.

00:24:05 ◼   ► Wow.

00:24:06 ◼   ► Now, what motivated you to purchase every generation of Kindle?

00:24:11 ◼   ► Insanity, I suppose, is probably the biggest one.

00:24:18 ◼   ► There were two times in my life where I saw a technology that really entranced me.

00:24:25 ◼   ► One was when I saw the iPhone for the first time, and the second, which happened actually

00:24:31 ◼   ► before I saw the iPhone, is when I heard about e-ink for the first time, because I just thought

00:24:35 ◼   ► that technology was so amazing, and I'm a huge reader, and I thought it had the power

00:24:40 ◼   ► to change the world.

00:24:41 ◼   ► I don't know if it has that power to change the world, but I was really excited about

00:24:44 ◼   ► it, and so I ran out, and actually I didn't, but when I had enough disposable income, I

00:24:50 ◼   ► I bought a Sony reader who were kind of first on the market with e-ink readers.

00:24:56 ◼   ► And then maybe three weeks after I did that, Amazon announced the Kindle.

00:24:59 ◼   ► And I was very sad and I just bought a Kindle.

00:25:03 ◼   ► And I've been buying them ever since.

00:25:05 ◼   ► >> But why did you continue to buy all of them though?

00:25:09 ◼   ► Because there's a difference between just buying one and then buying another one in

00:25:13 ◼   ► like a few years' time to buying all of them.

00:25:16 ◼   ► >> Well, that is a good question.

00:25:19 ◼   ► I don't know if I have a good answer.

00:25:20 ◼   ► I just like them a lot.

00:25:22 ◼   ► I bought the first one, and then it was kind of,

00:25:26 ◼   ► I actually like the first Kindle,

00:25:27 ◼   ► except for the weird, silvery interface thing,

00:25:32 ◼   ► because they couldn't get the touchscreen right, so.

00:25:35 ◼   ► And then the second Kindle came out,

00:25:37 ◼   ► and I wrote a book about the second generation

00:25:39 ◼   ► of the Kindle, so that was my excuse for that,

00:25:41 ◼   ► which was available only on the Kindle,

00:25:43 ◼   ► and nobody bought it.

00:25:44 ◼   ► And then I just kept buying them,

00:25:47 ◼   ► and now I have like, and I've also,

00:25:49 ◼   ► for a time I was buying all the nooks as well,

00:25:52 ◼   ► I stopped doing that.

00:25:54 ◼   ► - Has it become like I've started buying them now,

00:25:56 ◼   ► so now I just have to buy them all type thing?

00:25:59 ◼   ► - Well I-- - Like a collection?

00:26:01 ◼   ► - Well yes, and I tell myself,

00:26:02 ◼   ► well my wife will get my cast off Kindle,

00:26:05 ◼   ► so it's not really a waste of money.

00:26:07 ◼   ► - Does your wife need every cast off?

00:26:10 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:26:12 ◼   ► - I will tell you, so every time I get the new Kindle,

00:26:15 ◼   ► I order it immediately as soon as it's available

00:26:17 ◼   ► and then I get it the first day it's available.

00:26:19 ◼   ► And I show it to my wife and she's like,

00:26:20 ◼   ► "Oh, that's nice, give me your old Kindle."

00:26:23 ◼   ► This time I showed my wife the Voyage

00:26:25 ◼   ► and she said, "Oh, order me one of those."

00:26:27 ◼   ► - Huh. - Hmm.

00:26:28 ◼   ► - So, which I thought was interesting.

00:26:29 ◼   ► So it's the first time she's actually wanted

00:26:32 ◼   ► the latest generation Kindle.

00:26:34 ◼   ► - But it's not, does it really seem that different

00:26:37 ◼   ► from the Kindle Paperwhite to her?

00:26:39 ◼   ► Because that's the thing that struck me about the Voyage,

00:26:41 ◼   ► is it's not that different from the Kindle Paperwhite,

00:26:43 ◼   ► really, is it?

00:26:46 ◼   ► It's not hugely different, but I think it's a matter of refinements, and I think adding

00:26:51 ◼   ► the page press areas is a really big improvement to the Paperwhite, because I always disliked

00:26:58 ◼   ► having to move my thumb and tap the screen to turn the page.

00:27:02 ◼   ► I try to explain that to people, and every time I try to explain that or I'm writing

00:27:06 ◼   ► about it, it makes me feel like the lamest person in the world to say, "I have to slightly

00:27:12 ◼   ► move my finger if I want to turn the page and therefore this is not as good.

00:27:17 ◼   ► But it's so true that on the old button kindles there was a physical button on the bezel to

00:27:21 ◼   ► turn the page and you could literally just hold the Kindle in your hand and never move

00:27:25 ◼   ► your hand other than to just squeeze the button down and you could just go next page, next

00:27:28 ◼   ► page, next page, next page and it was a really great reading experience.

00:27:32 ◼   ► And when they went to the paperwhite they took the buttons away and so every time you

00:27:35 ◼   ► wanted to turn the page if you're holding it in your right hand you could just sort

00:27:38 ◼   ► of like migrate your thumb or finger over and tap and then move it back.

00:27:42 ◼   ► You're holding it in your left hand, you had to like stretch out and do like a really weird

00:27:46 ◼   ► awkward swipe so that it went forward instead of backward, and it was really stupid.

00:27:53 ◼   ► And I'm really glad that they added, they're not really buttons, right?

00:27:56 ◼   ► They're these special areas that are pressure sensitive.

00:28:00 ◼   ► Pressure areas.

00:28:01 ◼   ► But it's basically a button.

00:28:03 ◼   ► It is, and it has a little haptic feedback kind of dealy to it that you can set the vibration

00:28:08 ◼   ► which is nice. And I think the screen, if you look at a

00:28:12 ◼   ► paperwhite, a second generation paperwhite and a voyage and put them next to each

00:28:16 ◼   ► other, the screen does look better. It doesn't

00:28:20 ◼   ► look, like if you, I wouldn't suggest you just

00:28:23 ◼   ► throw your second generation paperwhite out the window. It's not like

00:28:26 ◼   ► comparing a first generation Kindle screen to the voyage. That's a clear,

00:28:30 ◼   ► gigantic difference. But it is better. Yeah, well I

00:28:34 ◼   ► held my first generation paperwhite up right next to it today I was doing that,

00:28:38 ◼   ► and it's definitely better. The lighting is way better, although I know that they

00:28:42 ◼   ► fixed a lot of that in the second generation Paperwhite. The lighting is

00:28:45 ◼   ► better, the text is crisper, all of these things. It is a better all-around product, no

00:28:49 ◼   ► doubt. Right, and I think it's easier when you have a first generation Paperwhite

00:28:54 ◼   ► to--unless you're me--to convince yourself that you need to upgrade. I just

00:28:58 ◼   ► buy the new one, whatever. Because when you look at side-by-side, the first

00:29:02 ◼   ► generation Paperwhite was nice, but I always thought they didn't quite get

00:29:06 ◼   ► the light right I didn't think the the distribution the second generation fixed

00:29:11 ◼   ► that but if you skip the second generation the voyage is a great upgrade

00:29:15 ◼   ► yeah yeah it's the first generation paper white had like the kind of bluish

00:29:18 ◼   ► light and it was a little spotty and yeah uneven at the bottom you could see

00:29:22 ◼   ► the kind of the arcs of the LEDs lighting it up right right exactly and

00:29:27 ◼   ► this is much nicer all these are nitpicks of course but they are they

00:29:31 ◼   ► are because I think that's a big thing about the Kindle and why moving your

00:29:35 ◼   ► thumb is so annoying is because you know a Kindle is a purpose-built device right

00:29:40 ◼   ► it's just built to read books generally but you can read other stuff on it so

00:29:44 ◼   ► you're spending a lot of time holding this thing and you don't want to have to

00:29:48 ◼   ► think or move too much because you're reading and you want to be part you know

00:29:52 ◼   ► in hand entranced by the story you don't want to have to think about and this is

00:29:55 ◼   ► why I like Kindles I don't want to have the the the temptation to check Twitter

00:29:59 ◼   ► as I'm reading I just want to read and I don't want to move my thumb what I'm

00:30:02 ◼   ► reading. Is that so much to ask? I think we've touched on a lot of stuff that I want to get

00:30:07 ◼   ► back to, but the point you just made is actually at the core of why when people, when I tell people

00:30:13 ◼   ► that I buy Kindles and they look at me like I'm crazy, they're like, "You've got an iPad.

00:30:16 ◼   ► Like, why would you want a Kindle if you have an iPad?" Number one reason is my Kindle doesn't do

00:30:22 ◼   ► push notifications. My Kindle isn't two taps away from being email or Twitter or a good web browser.

00:30:31 ◼   ► There is a web browser.

00:30:32 ◼   ► It's still experimental, like 10 years later.

00:30:34 ◼   ► The experiment is how quickly can it drive people crazy who use it.

00:30:38 ◼   ► >> The experiment is will anybody find it?

00:30:41 ◼   ► >> Yeah.

00:30:42 ◼   ► You know, it's only there so you can log into like a hotel Wi-Fi.

00:30:45 ◼   ► I really believe that's the only reason that web browser is there.

00:30:48 ◼   ► >> That makes sense.

00:30:49 ◼   ► >> But that's why I use it is because it's purpose-built for this.

00:30:52 ◼   ► It doesn't--it--like you said, Scott, purpose-built, it's made for reading.

00:30:56 ◼   ► It's really good with text.

00:30:57 ◼   ► Yeah, it's got, you know, you read it outside in a way that a smartphone or a tablet, you

00:31:03 ◼   ► just can't.

00:31:04 ◼   ► But the number one reason is, it's, when I'm reading on my Kindle, I'm reading.

00:31:08 ◼   ► I'm not multitasking, I'm not going to get distracted.

00:31:11 ◼   ► If I want to go get my phone or my iPad and look at Twitter, I can, but, you know, I focus

00:31:16 ◼   ► on what I'm reading and it really makes a difference.

00:31:19 ◼   ► And so for me, yeah, I've got other devices, but I don't use them to read novels or actually

00:31:25 ◼   ► get a newspaper on it, or the newspaper.

00:31:27 ◼   ► I use the Kindle for that because it's, you know, when I'm reading on the Kindle, I'm

00:31:32 ◼   ► really focused on just reading and not ten other things that are one click away.

00:31:39 ◼   ► You guys both have Kindles, right?

00:31:41 ◼   ► Why do you have Kindles?

00:31:44 ◼   ► My answer is a lot worse, really.

00:31:47 ◼   ► I like to think that I read more than I actually read.

00:31:53 ◼   ► So I bought a Kindle too, because I was fascinated by the original Kindle, but they weren't

00:32:02 ◼   ► available in the UK.

00:32:05 ◼   ► You dodged a bullet.

00:32:06 ◼   ► Scott says he likes it.

00:32:07 ◼   ► I actually bought one and then returned it.

00:32:08 ◼   ► It's one of the few times I've ever done that with an electronic product on Amazon.

00:32:12 ◼   ► I was like, "No, uh-uh," because it was so weird.

00:32:15 ◼   ► And I really wanted to like it and it was too weird and I went a year without a Kindle.

00:32:19 ◼   ► What didn't you like about it?

00:32:21 ◼   ► - Well, like Scott said, that metal,

00:32:24 ◼   ► the screen wasn't very good,

00:32:25 ◼   ► and that metal strip that you had to use to like,

00:32:28 ◼   ► it was this weird silvery strip,

00:32:30 ◼   ► and you slid a little black dot up and down it

00:32:32 ◼   ► in order to select.

00:32:34 ◼   ► It was really weird.

00:32:35 ◼   ► And it was kinda ugly, it was weird shaped,

00:32:39 ◼   ► and weird colored.

00:32:40 ◼   ► - Yeah, the crazy keyboard layout, right?

00:32:42 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:32:43 ◼   ► - So it's kinda like jagged for no real reason.

00:32:45 ◼   ► - Right, exactly.

00:32:46 ◼   ► And then the second generation was a much more,

00:32:47 ◼   ► it felt like a real, like not a prototype.

00:32:49 ◼   ► So that one I kept.

00:32:51 ◼   ► - So it was really strange, like when the,

00:32:54 ◼   ► I mean I bought it because I was interested in it,

00:32:56 ◼   ► it was new technology.

00:32:57 ◼   ► Like it was brand new, right?

00:32:59 ◼   ► It was like U-ink and all this kind of stuff.

00:33:01 ◼   ► And you had to get it in like a really weird way.

00:33:04 ◼   ► Like you could buy it, but you had to buy it

00:33:07 ◼   ► through Amazon.com to ship to the UK.

00:33:10 ◼   ► Like they would ship it to you,

00:33:13 ◼   ► but you had to do this weird thing,

00:33:15 ◼   ► like I had to sign into Amazon.com

00:33:18 ◼   ► and had to forcibly tell it to stop redirecting me.

00:33:23 ◼   ► And it was possible to do,

00:33:24 ◼   ► like Amazon allowed you to do it.

00:33:25 ◼   ► They only did it for a couple of countries

00:33:26 ◼   ► and you could buy it so I bought it and it shipped.

00:33:29 ◼   ► And I had to buy a separate plug for it

00:33:32 ◼   ► because it shipped with an American adapter,

00:33:35 ◼   ► which is very peculiar.

00:33:37 ◼   ► And I really enjoyed it and I used it quite a bit

00:33:41 ◼   ► and I used it every day on my commute.

00:33:45 ◼   ► But then kind of my love affair with podcasts

00:33:47 ◼   ► took over and I listened to this sort of stuff.

00:33:51 ◼   ► So I didn't have, I didn't replace that Kindle,

00:33:53 ◼   ► I recently gave it away,

00:33:55 ◼   ► but then I was going on holiday recently

00:33:56 ◼   ► and thought, I wanna relax and read.

00:34:00 ◼   ► So I bought a Kindle Paperwhite,

00:34:02 ◼   ► and then about six days later they announced the voyage.

00:34:06 ◼   ► So, you know, such is life.

00:34:12 ◼   ► So I have a second edition paperweight now.

00:34:17 ◼   ► It kind of frustrates me, the tapping on the screen.

00:34:23 ◼   ► I really don't like it.

00:34:25 ◼   ► I loved the buttons on my second edition Kindle.

00:34:29 ◼   ► Like I loved them and I really don't like the tapping.

00:34:33 ◼   ► Because it's like, do I tap it or do I swipe it?

00:34:35 ◼   ► Neither of them feel like they do anything immediately

00:34:38 ◼   ► sometimes or like I feel like I'm about to do the wrong one

00:34:41 ◼   ► and then nothing happens or it just doesn't feel,

00:34:44 ◼   ► it feels awkward because the bezel's quite thick

00:34:47 ◼   ► compared to like an iPad or an iPhone, you know?

00:34:50 ◼   ► Where so if I'm swiping or tapping,

00:34:51 ◼   ► it's like well I'm used to just like right at the very edge

00:34:54 ◼   ► but I'm like covering up the content here with my big thumb.

00:34:57 ◼   ► Yeah, it's weird but it looks great

00:35:00 ◼   ► and the light really does make a difference

00:35:03 ◼   ► like I was reading on the beach

00:35:04 ◼   ► and it was really, really nice.

00:35:06 ◼   ► I actually spent most of my time on my vacation

00:35:09 ◼   ► 'cause I was on vacation during the iOS 8 launch and stuff.

00:35:12 ◼   ► I was just reading people's reviews via Instapaper,

00:35:15 ◼   ► which I love still works,

00:35:17 ◼   ► so I just had a bunch of things in Instapaper,

00:35:19 ◼   ► and then I just sent them to reviews for me

00:35:20 ◼   ► 'cause a lot of them are like books.

00:35:22 ◼   ► So I sent them all to my Kindle and read them,

00:35:26 ◼   ► and unfortunately I've not used it since that holiday,

00:35:29 ◼   ► which I was worried would happen.

00:35:32 ◼   ► 'Cause I'm kind of, I struggle to keep focus when reading.

00:35:37 ◼   ► when reading. So even if I'm not using something like an iPhone or iPad where

00:35:42 ◼   ► all of the world is there, you know, I just then just seek out the world. I'm like

00:35:46 ◼   ► reading on my Kindle, I'm like "where's my iPhone?" Things are happening on my...

00:35:50 ◼   ► Yeah, I kind of just struggle to keep my attention. It's like when I'm

00:35:54 ◼   ► listening to podcasts and stuff I play games, like video games on my phone, stuff

00:35:57 ◼   ► like that, and weirdly that helps me focus on the podcast, but

00:36:02 ◼   ► when I'm reading, like I'm like "oh what else is going on?" So I actually haven't

00:36:06 ◼   ► read a full book in many years I think which I know probably

00:36:11 ◼   ► it horrifies you both. It does. It makes me sad for you. Yeah. I don't read fiction and when I do

00:36:18 ◼   ► read I never read fiction. That's valid. The voyage is available today in the UK

00:36:25 ◼   ► though so you should buy one. I did see that it made me smile I was like okay so

00:36:29 ◼   ► today it's gonna happen great so maybe I'll have to buy one because oh I

00:36:33 ◼   ► Basically, I had the Kindle for a couple of days on my holiday and the screen is all scratched

00:36:39 ◼   ► up.

00:36:40 ◼   ► Oh.

00:36:41 ◼   ► Obviously, I had to put it in my beach bag and there must have been something in there.

00:36:45 ◼   ► Rubbing it on the sand.

00:36:46 ◼   ► Obviously, I rubbed it in the sand and I buried it and I don't know what the problem is.

00:36:49 ◼   ► Yeah, I assume there must have been a coin or something in there, but one corner of the

00:36:53 ◼   ► screen is all kind of scratched and it's frustrating.

00:36:56 ◼   ► So, the Kindle, I have a little Kindle case.

00:36:59 ◼   ► It's not actually like a ... It's just a carrying case.

00:37:02 ◼   ► It's like a sock.

00:37:03 ◼   ► It's like a fancy sock, Kindle sock.

00:37:06 ◼   ► But that keeps it in pretty good shape usually.

00:37:08 ◼   ► And you mentioned the beach, it's funny.

00:37:09 ◼   ► I mean, I think beaches are, that's when I go to someplace like a beach or a swimming

00:37:15 ◼   ► pool or something, that's when I see all the Kindles.

00:37:17 ◼   ► All the Kindles are out because it's so much better to use in those situations, where

00:37:24 ◼   ► there's bright light.

00:37:26 ◼   ► And also, quite honestly, I feel less worried about the Kindle being destroyed or stolen

00:37:31 ◼   ► or something than my smartphone or my tablet for some reason, even a more expensive Kindle.

00:37:35 ◼   ► I think I would feel this way.

00:37:38 ◼   ► I don't take baths very often, but when I have, I have a couple of times done the Jeff

00:37:43 ◼   ► Bezos trick where you put it in a Ziploc bag and you just read your Kindle in the bathtub.

00:37:48 ◼   ► Billionaire, by the way, uses a Ziploc bag on his Kindle.

00:37:52 ◼   ► But you can do that too.

00:37:53 ◼   ► I mean, they're so versatile.

00:37:54 ◼   ► You think they would just build a special waterproof case because he can kind of just

00:37:58 ◼   ► ask them to do that?

00:37:59 ◼   ► Oh, there probably is one.

00:38:00 ◼   ► There probably is one now.

00:38:01 ◼   ► He's probably had space age like science material scientists built him a a kindle aquarium of some kind, but I

00:38:08 ◼   ► Don't know Scott Scott do you uh?

00:38:12 ◼   ► Your choice of a kindle over over like an iPad or an iPhone for reading. Why why do you prefer it?

00:38:19 ◼   ► Well, I do a lot of reading on my commute. I don't have a much of a commute

00:38:23 ◼   ► I have more of a commute than both of you probably but it's like 15 to 20 minutes

00:38:29 ◼   ► And I feel like you were saying I feel very self-conscious looking at an iPad on the trolley here in Philadelphia

00:38:37 ◼   ► I don't know why I just do I feel like everybody is looking at me

00:38:41 ◼   ► In fact the woman this morning a woman was sitting in front of me

00:38:45 ◼   ► And she was playing like Candy Crush on her iPad

00:38:47 ◼   ► And I was in fact looking at her play so I suppose that that could have something to do with it

00:38:51 ◼   ► And it just feels like Kindle feels

00:38:53 ◼   ► less obnoxious

00:38:55 ◼   ► Than having a giant iPad and swipe me through unless it's a Kindle DX

00:38:59 ◼   ► I did feel a little obnoxious when I had my Kindle DX on the trolley

00:39:02 ◼   ► Yeah, and it's just it's lighter

00:39:05 ◼   ► It's easier to see I'm you can yeah, I feel like they disappear that they're just yeah

00:39:10 ◼   ► it's not it's not that big a deal to be sitting there with it with a Kindle and and

00:39:14 ◼   ► Yeah, so

00:39:17 ◼   ► So that's why we use Kindles some of us more than others Myke's Kindle is more aspirational

00:39:23 ◼   ► And that's valid.

00:39:24 ◼   ► That's fine.

00:39:25 ◼   ► Aspirational Kindle.

00:39:26 ◼   ► Although the Instapaper thing, that was something that I, when I was a regular bus commuter,

00:39:33 ◼   ► I did that a lot too, where I would just, my Instapaper queue would dump into my Kindle

00:39:38 ◼   ► every day.

00:39:39 ◼   ► And that was kind of great, because I could choose to read like the newspaper or a novel,

00:39:44 ◼   ► or I could read my Instapaper stories.

00:39:47 ◼   ► And that was pretty cool.

00:39:48 ◼   ► So it's versatile.

00:39:50 ◼   ► But it's for reading.

00:39:51 ◼   ► I mean, it's a black and white device.

00:39:52 ◼   ► This is one of those things that I actually realized with the Voyage release, and I'm

00:39:55 ◼   ► wondering what you guys think of this, where I felt like over the years, Scott, as we watched

00:39:59 ◼   ► these new Kindles coming out, that they were always like, "Well, they're priced a little

00:40:03 ◼   ► bit less."

00:40:04 ◼   ► And you got the sense that at some point Amazon was literally going to say, "If you're

00:40:07 ◼   ► a Prime member, you can get a free Kindle every two years."

00:40:10 ◼   ► We don't care.

00:40:11 ◼   ► We just don't care.

00:40:12 ◼   ► Just buy things.

00:40:13 ◼   ► That's all we ask, is just keep buying things.

00:40:15 ◼   ► And that may yet happen.

00:40:17 ◼   ► But something funny happened this year, right?

00:40:19 ◼   ► thing is all the Kindle fires are now just the fire tablets right they're not

00:40:23 ◼   ► kindles anymore they change the name and so here's still a kindle Kindle fire

00:40:29 ◼   ► htx yeah but it's like last year's model and it's gonna become the fire something

00:40:35 ◼   ► right or get I mean like the new the new fires aren't Kindle fires right they're

00:40:39 ◼   ► just fire tablets and the fire TV which I always call the Kindle fire TV right

00:40:44 ◼   ► it's not the kindle so so it's like they're D branding Kindle Kindle used to

00:40:49 ◼   ► mean like all the hardware that Amazon had and it's gone back to being for the

00:40:53 ◼   ► reading stuff it's really it's about Kindle is about reading so I think

00:40:57 ◼   ► that's really interesting and then the other thing that's happened is that they

00:41:00 ◼   ► made this device the voyage which is more expensive than the paperwhite and I

00:41:04 ◼   ► think that's really interesting because for a while I I felt like almost like

00:41:09 ◼   ► Amazon strategy with the ink readers was like they're not as good as tablets so

00:41:14 ◼   ► the only way they're going to succeed is if they're cheaper than tablets so let's

00:41:17 ◼   ► just keep pushing them down in price and we'll have a $79 Kindle and we'll have a $69 or

00:41:22 ◼   ► $59 Kindle with special offers and we're going to push that down."

00:41:25 ◼   ► And the paperweight was nicer but still you got the sense that they were playing that

00:41:29 ◼   ► same game.

00:41:30 ◼   ► But with the voyage it's clear now that they're not playing that game anymore.

00:41:33 ◼   ► Somebody at Amazon has looked at the numbers and they see the numbers.

00:41:37 ◼   ► They don't just put up a chart with a line that's going up and say, "Look, it's going

00:41:40 ◼   ► up."

00:41:41 ◼   ► They know the actual numbers.

00:41:43 ◼   ► And I feel like they're looking at that and saying, "You know, the people who are buying

00:41:46 ◼   ► these things probably even have tablets and they don't care they want to buy these things

00:41:50 ◼   ► so maybe we should just make a really good one for them because they just love these

00:41:53 ◼   ► kindles and they want to buy them and like the Paperweight like I said felt a little

00:41:58 ◼   ► bit like that but the Voyage is like crystal clear it's like this is a $200 e-reader it

00:42:03 ◼   ► is made for people who you know they want to buy an e-reader they're not like saying

00:42:07 ◼   ► oh I don't know I got an iPad I don't really need that's like no they want a really great

00:42:12 ◼   ► e-reader and Amazon appears to be willing to make that now which I don't know in the

00:42:17 ◼   ► past it felt like they weren't like they were really kind of hesitant to put too much into

00:42:20 ◼   ► the Kindle to make a nice Kindle because above a certain point I think they kind of felt

00:42:25 ◼   ► like you graduated to a tablet which is I think totally not true because of my experiences

00:42:30 ◼   ► I use the Kindle all the time and I have a tablet so I don't know it feels like that

00:42:35 ◼   ► to me that the the paperwhite it was the start of it and that the voyage is like the clincher

00:42:39 ◼   ► that Amazon is embracing this product category and saying, "We're just going to make great

00:42:45 ◼   ► e-readers," and they're their own thing now.

00:42:47 ◼   ► >> Right, and they have three different versions of Kindle at the moment, so they're covering

00:42:52 ◼   ► all the price points.

00:42:53 ◼   ► So you can still get a Kindle for 80 bucks if you just are Kindle-curious.

00:42:59 ◼   ► If you're devoted, you can get the $200 Fancy Pants Kindle Voyage.

00:43:04 ◼   ► They both basically do the same thing.

00:43:06 ◼   ► The Kindle Voyage just does it nicer and has a light up screen and some buttons that aren't

00:43:11 ◼   ► really buttons.

00:43:12 ◼   ► Right.

00:43:13 ◼   ► And I think they're borrowing a little bit from Kobo's playbook.

00:43:16 ◼   ► Of course, Kindle is much more successful than the Kobo.

00:43:20 ◼   ► But the Kobo has a whole lineup of crazy e-readers.

00:43:23 ◼   ► You can get a tiny little Kobo Mini, you can get an Aurora HD, which is waterproof, so

00:43:29 ◼   ► you don't need a Ziploc bag.

00:43:31 ◼   ► Ooh!

00:43:32 ◼   ► Yeah, they've got a whole lineup of crazy e-ink readers that you can buy.

00:43:37 ◼   ► I don't think anyone does buy them, but you can buy them if you want to.

00:43:43 ◼   ► So I think Amazon's borrowing a little bit from their playbook, but of course benefiting

00:43:47 ◼   ► from the fact that they are the major e-reader player in the market.

00:43:52 ◼   ► Now that Sony's not selling them in the United States at least, I don't know if they're selling

00:43:55 ◼   ► them anywhere else, and Barnes and Noble seemingly has given up.

00:43:59 ◼   ► I assume that it's fair to say that they are the winner because they have the catalog,

00:44:05 ◼   ► right?

00:44:06 ◼   ► Well, Barnes & Noble has an equal catalog to Amazon.

00:44:12 ◼   ► And this is the first time...

00:44:13 ◼   ► I liked my first Kindle so much because I had a Sony reader.

00:44:19 ◼   ► And the Sony reader, I'm looking at it right now, and it looks so much better than the

00:44:23 ◼   ► first generation Kindle, but I used my Kindle so much more because it was so easy to get

00:44:28 ◼   ► books on the thing.

00:44:29 ◼   ► The Sony reader, Sony generally makes beautiful hardware

00:44:33 ◼   ► and this thing is beautiful, but the software,

00:44:35 ◼   ► I had to hook it up to a PC, which I didn't own at the time,

00:44:39 ◼   ► so I needed to get like virtual PC on my Mac,

00:44:42 ◼   ► so I could download the Sony app,

00:44:45 ◼   ► so I could buy books through it

00:44:46 ◼   ► and then hook up my reader to it,

00:44:48 ◼   ► and then it might've worked and they were using Adobe DRM,

00:44:51 ◼   ► so I had to sign in with my Adobe account,

00:44:53 ◼   ► so I could authorize my book,

00:44:56 ◼   ► And then, contrast that to Amazon on the Kindle,

00:45:00 ◼   ► I clicked a little weird scroll button twice

00:45:04 ◼   ► and then I had a book on my Kindle.

00:45:06 ◼   ► And I think Amazon just has figured out

00:45:08 ◼   ► how to get it to you so easily.

00:45:11 ◼   ► And I wouldn't underestimate

00:45:12 ◼   ► their recommendation engine either.

00:45:14 ◼   ► And because I think Amazon knows how to sell you things

00:45:18 ◼   ► and how to suggest things that you will like.

00:45:20 ◼   ► And so I think, and plus the idea that you can,

00:45:24 ◼   ► one of the other things I love about the Kindle

00:45:25 ◼   ► as you go to Amazon's website,

00:45:26 ◼   ► you can buy a book on Amazon's website

00:45:28 ◼   ► and it shows up on your Kindle the next time you use it,

00:45:31 ◼   ► which nobody was doing then.

00:45:32 ◼   ► - I do wish though,

00:45:33 ◼   ► we were talking about the purchasing process,

00:45:35 ◼   ► that they would stop doing that thing

00:45:39 ◼   ► where it's like send to this device

00:45:42 ◼   ► and you end up with like 100,000 different devices.

00:45:46 ◼   ► And it's like, so every tablet you've ever owned,

00:45:48 ◼   ► everything that's ever had a Kindle app on it,

00:45:51 ◼   ► any device here, and it's like,

00:45:53 ◼   ► I went in recently and cleared them out.

00:45:55 ◼   ► It's like, oh, my word, my iPhone 3G is in here.

00:45:58 ◼   ► Like, what's happening?

00:45:59 ◼   ► - Imagine how I feel.

00:46:00 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:46:01 ◼   ► Manage your devices.

00:46:02 ◼   ► It breaks when Scott tries to manage his devices.

00:46:05 ◼   ► - It just cries.

00:46:06 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:46:07 ◼   ► Myke, do we have another friend?

00:46:10 ◼   ► Should we talk about another friend now?

00:46:12 ◼   ► - I would love to talk about another friend.

00:46:14 ◼   ► Today's second friend is Hover.

00:46:16 ◼   ► - Hover.

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00:46:24 ◼   ► It's my place of choice and it has been for years.

00:46:26 ◼   ► Whether you pronounce it hover or hover like I do,

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00:46:30 ◼   ► Because when it comes to buying a domain name,

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00:46:35 ◼   ► If you have an idea for a project

00:46:37 ◼   ► or you want to just name your own site,

00:46:41 ◼   ► as in, you know, like with your name,

00:46:42 ◼   ► I mean you can name it anything.

00:46:44 ◼   ► Jason did.

00:46:45 ◼   ► He didn't go with Jason Snell.

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00:46:47 ◼   ► Snellworld.com, whatever.

00:46:49 ◼   ► You can get them all, yeah.

00:46:51 ◼   ► - And Jason, I know that you use hover

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00:46:54 ◼   ► you used Hover to help you get the Six Colors domain as well, didn't you?

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00:47:06 ◼   ► way that it worked, I was able to then transfer it back to Hover.

00:47:10 ◼   ► And then for Six Colors spelled the way you would spell it, with a U, that one was actually

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00:47:28 ◼   ► David Schiessly Yeah because I mean that's one thing like

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00:50:05 ◼   ► friends and a good friend. A very good friend indeed. Oh, Kindle more more actually we have

00:50:16 ◼   ► real-time follow-up a question asked in the chat room that I wanted to answer real-time

00:50:21 ◼   ► answers to follow up. Somebody asked in the chat room why this is tangible ghost in the

00:50:28 ◼   ► chat room why do you have to even direct a file you're sending from to your Kindle to

00:50:35 ◼   ► a specific device? And the answer is because of the crazy cellular Kindles, right? Scott

00:50:41 ◼   ► mentioned this earlier that they have cellular models and Wi-Fi models. And that was one

00:50:45 ◼   ► of the initial cool things about the Kindle was that they were on cellular networks. So

00:50:50 ◼   ► they didn't, they initially didn't have Wi-Fi. The first what, two generations of Kindle

00:50:54 ◼   ► didn't do Wi-Fi at all?

00:50:56 ◼   ► Oh, so that's worth noting actually. So my second gen, it used AT&T roaming.

00:51:02 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:51:03 ◼   ► That was how I got my Kindles. I was using an AT&T roaming plan, which is so weird that

00:51:10 ◼   ► that was how they decided to do it, but that was how it was done.

00:51:12 ◼   ► Yeah, they made a deal with AT&T, and so literally you could take that Kindle anywhere in the

00:51:17 ◼   ► world, and if there was AT&T roaming in that, you could get books on the Kindle, and they

00:51:21 ◼   ► were paying. And this still is an issue to this day. Not only is that the reason why

00:51:26 ◼   ► when you buy a book it doesn't just automatically push to all your Kindle devices. One, does

00:51:32 ◼   ► Does the Kindle app on the iPad do background wake up auto downloads?

00:51:36 ◼   ► I think it still doesn't.

00:51:39 ◼   ► But the bigger issue is those wireless ones, that costs a lot of money for Amazon to send

00:51:44 ◼   ► data to the cellular models.

00:51:47 ◼   ► So they don't want to do that unless they absolutely have to.

00:51:49 ◼   ► And as a result, you need to pick where you want to send it.

00:51:52 ◼   ► And if you use the Send to Kindle app on the Mac, it's got a little box that's like, "Send

00:51:58 ◼   ► using whisper link and basically it's we will charge you to send this if you send it this

00:52:03 ◼   ► way otherwise it's only on wifi.

00:52:06 ◼   ► It's such a weird like the charging is so weird it's so strange.

00:52:10 ◼   ► It was a great idea though right the idea that like this it's like it was like magic

00:52:15 ◼   ► it's like you're just on you don't have to pay for it it's all just embedded in the cost

00:52:19 ◼   ► of the device you're just wherever you are if you can get a cellular signal you can get

00:52:23 ◼   ► books. It was magical, but kind of ridiculous. And then I think the third generation Kindle,

00:52:31 ◼   ► there was a Wi-Fi or a Wi-Fi cellular and they gave you a deal if you just got the Wi-Fi

00:52:35 ◼   ► version and I never bought the cellular version again. So I still have my Kindle 2 and I was

00:52:40 ◼   ► looking at it the other day thinking, "You know, if I ever went somewhere like where

00:52:43 ◼   ► I knew that there was no Wi-Fi but there was a cell signal, maybe I would take this just

00:52:48 ◼   ► because it still works.

00:52:50 ◼   ► But it was a cool idea, right, that's a very Amazon idea,

00:52:53 ◼   ► the idea that they would make a deal with a cellular carrier

00:52:57 ◼   ► and just kind of embed it in the device

00:52:59 ◼   ► as this supposedly free, but it made the device cost more.

00:53:03 ◼   ► And just talked to John Syracuse about what he's gone

00:53:06 ◼   ► through with doing his ebooks, and this is true

00:53:09 ◼   ► for all ebook publishers, is they will,

00:53:11 ◼   ► Marco dealt with this with the magazine too.

00:53:13 ◼   ► Amazon will charge you if any of your customers

00:53:16 ◼   ► download your book over cellular.

00:53:18 ◼   ► they will charge you for the data.

00:53:21 ◼   ► And so it's coming out of the pockets of the publishers

00:53:24 ◼   ► and it's not cool.

00:53:26 ◼   ► So--

00:53:27 ◼   ► - There's like no way in which that seems

00:53:29 ◼   ► like a fair thing to do.

00:53:31 ◼   ► - I can't believe they're still making

00:53:32 ◼   ► the cellular Kindles at all, but they are.

00:53:36 ◼   ► I would have thought that they would have stopped

00:53:39 ◼   ► and said, "Look, we live in a WiFi world,

00:53:41 ◼   ► "plus people have tetherable devices,

00:53:42 ◼   ► "the cellular Kindle thing is just not that big a deal."

00:53:45 ◼   ► But obviously it works for them

00:53:46 ◼   ► because they continue to do it

00:53:48 ◼   ► and those cellular Kindles cost a lot more

00:53:50 ◼   ► than the main, I forget what the difference is,

00:53:54 ◼   ► but Scott, do you know the difference

00:53:56 ◼   ► between the WiFi and the cellular Kindles?

00:53:59 ◼   ► - Something like $70, I think.

00:54:00 ◼   ► - That's not cheap.

00:54:02 ◼   ► It's akin to buying a cellular iPad,

00:54:06 ◼   ► except then you have to pay for the data.

00:54:08 ◼   ► - I do wonder what the purpose,

00:54:10 ◼   ► like why would you buy a cellular Kindle these days?

00:54:13 ◼   ► I think that, I mean, I don't think people burn through books massively quickly in which

00:54:21 ◼   ► you could be potentially in a situation where you've, "Oh no, I've run out of books."

00:54:25 ◼   ► Like if you're going on holiday, I mean, you can kind of just load up, right?

00:54:30 ◼   ► And so, you know, you were saying, Jason, about being somewhere, like being on vacation,

00:54:33 ◼   ► not knowing you're gonna have Wi-Fi.

00:54:34 ◼   ► Well, just put a bunch of books on before you leave.

00:54:36 ◼   ► And I do, I have like 50 books in my Kindle.

00:54:39 ◼   ► I'm doing okay.

00:54:40 ◼   ► - Yeah, which I assume probably most Kindle owners,

00:54:43 ◼   ► Scott, maybe you can tell me if I'm wrong,

00:54:46 ◼   ► would have lots of books on there.

00:54:48 ◼   ► Because, I mean, the books are quite small

00:54:50 ◼   ► comparative to the size of the devices, right?

00:54:53 ◼   ► - Yes, I think that most people

00:54:55 ◼   ► probably load up their Kindles.

00:54:57 ◼   ► I can think of one instance where I would buy,

00:55:00 ◼   ► still in this day and age, a 3G-enabled Kindle,

00:55:04 ◼   ► and that's if I was gonna give it to my mother.

00:55:05 ◼   ► Because the beauty of the 3G

00:55:08 ◼   ► is that you don't have to think about it,

00:55:09 ◼   ► It's just on and it works.

00:55:11 ◼   ► And she doesn't have to figure out

00:55:12 ◼   ► where the WiFi signal's coming from.

00:55:15 ◼   ► It'll just get her book and she'll be happy.

00:55:18 ◼   ► - And in fact, that's where my second generation Kindle was

00:55:22 ◼   ► for a long time was with my parents.

00:55:24 ◼   ► I said, "You don't have to set up the WiFi, just take this."

00:55:27 ◼   ► Now they have iPads and it's fine.

00:55:30 ◼   ► - Another random thought I've had

00:55:32 ◼   ► about my weird second gen Kindle experience.

00:55:34 ◼   ► When I had to turn the cellular off all the time

00:55:38 ◼   ► because it was roaming, it destroyed the battery.

00:55:41 ◼   ► Like I'd get like a couple of hours out of it.

00:55:44 ◼   ► So when I wasn't downloading something,

00:55:46 ◼   ► I had to just turn the cellular off

00:55:47 ◼   ► because it was really working hard, the little thing.

00:55:51 ◼   ► - Yeah, I reflect, I just turn off,

00:55:54 ◼   ► I put it in airplane mode all the time, my Kindle's for,

00:55:57 ◼   ► I don't know why, I just do.

00:55:58 ◼   ► - And they last, then they last almost forever

00:56:01 ◼   ► if you put 'em in airplane mode.

00:56:02 ◼   ► - Exactly, I wanna forget that I have to charge it

00:56:05 ◼   ► and then misplace the cable

00:56:07 ◼   ► and when it gives me that little alert,

00:56:08 ◼   ► I have to scramble to find something to charge it with.

00:56:11 ◼   ► - Kind of makes sense though, right?

00:56:12 ◼   ► Because you know, to require the internet connectivity

00:56:17 ◼   ► of a Kindle, you are making a specific choice anyway,

00:56:20 ◼   ► because you're gonna go to the store

00:56:21 ◼   ► to download a book or whatever.

00:56:23 ◼   ► - So the one example I would say is,

00:56:26 ◼   ► I told you I get a newspaper.

00:56:28 ◼   ► I've been getting the daily,

00:56:30 ◼   ► the San Francisco Chronicle every day on my Kindle

00:56:32 ◼   ► for like five years, seven years,

00:56:33 ◼   ► I mean since I got the first, the second generation Kindle.

00:56:37 ◼   ► And what happens there is that it delivers overnight.

00:56:41 ◼   ► So when I wake up in the morning,

00:56:42 ◼   ► I turn it on and the newspaper's there.

00:56:44 ◼   ► And if I would have it in my bag

00:56:45 ◼   ► and go out the door to go to the bus,

00:56:47 ◼   ► I get on the bus and turn on my Kindle

00:56:49 ◼   ► and the newspaper was there.

00:56:50 ◼   ► So that would be, I mean, that was why I always left

00:56:52 ◼   ► the wifi on on my Kindle,

00:56:54 ◼   ► was because the newspaper would download overnight

00:56:56 ◼   ► in the background, which was always really cool.

00:56:58 ◼   ► And it was something the Kindle app on the iPad

00:57:00 ◼   ► or iPhone could not do,

00:57:02 ◼   ► which is why I thought it was extra cool.

00:57:05 ◼   ► but it does keep the battery that way

00:57:08 ◼   ► scott i assume the d_x_ is really good for newspapers and magazines right that

00:57:11 ◼   ► was one of the one of the reasons as well as textbooks that they brought it

00:57:14 ◼   ► out right

00:57:15 ◼   ► uh... yes and it was pretty bad with textbooks but good for uh... newspapers

00:57:20 ◼   ► and it was actually it it kind of

00:57:22 ◼   ► emulates the size of uh... like a hardcover page so

00:57:26 ◼   ► it was nice to read on as well but they're the biggest pitch uh... was they

00:57:30 ◼   ► were like oh students can use this to take notes

00:57:32 ◼   ► uh... but

00:57:33 ◼   ► e-ink

00:57:34 ◼   ► especially at the screen technology at that time was not fast enough to take

00:57:38 ◼   ► notes so you would just get super frustrated as you were trying to type

00:57:40 ◼   ► your note in class and it wasn't a good idea.

00:57:43 ◼   ► No. That was a bad... I did not like the DX and then they had the weird keyboard too

00:57:48 ◼   ► which was a bad keyboard.

00:57:51 ◼   ► Yes. But I have two.

00:57:54 ◼   ► You can keep them. I don't want them. I will.

00:57:58 ◼   ► Alright good. Good. Keep them away from me.

00:58:02 ◼   ► Let's see, oh I wanted to mention special offers just because it's a very Amazon thing

00:58:07 ◼   ► that makes me laugh, which is when we talk about prices for these things, the base price

00:58:11 ◼   ► for these is for something called "with special offers" and I was looking up how Amazon describes

00:58:16 ◼   ► special offers on their site and what they do is they want to use the language of cell

00:58:21 ◼   ► phone companies so they'll say, "To buy your Kindle Voyage for $1.99, that is a subsidized

00:58:30 ◼   ► price. The subsidy is because you will receive special offers and screen saver advertisements

00:58:39 ◼   ► as you use your device. I'm sitting there thinking, "Subsidized by you. It's just

00:58:45 ◼   ► you. It's your ads. It's your device. You set the price." But what they've done

00:58:50 ◼   ► is they've said, "You know what? Here's what we're going to do. We're going to

00:58:53 ◼   ► give people $20 off if they agree to see our ads. And because we're the makers of this,

00:58:58 ◼   ► not going to run it as a sale, we're going to just make it out the price so we can go

00:59:01 ◼   ► out there and say, "Look, this thing costs $1.99," instead of saying, "This thing costs

00:59:05 ◼   ► $2.19."

00:59:06 ◼   ► Now, they could just make it $1.99 and not have ads, but that's not what they do.

00:59:11 ◼   ► And the funny thing is, the special offers are not that bad, because some of them are

00:59:16 ◼   ► good offers.

00:59:17 ◼   ► The ads are only on the home screen and on the lock screen, so it's not like you see

00:59:21 ◼   ► them when you're reading.

00:59:22 ◼   ► They're not pop-up ads while you're reading a novel.

00:59:24 ◼   ► That would be the worst thing ever.

00:59:26 ◼   ► But you know what the thing that drives me to pay the $20 to turn off the special offers

00:59:29 ◼   ► is it makes turning on the Kindle a two-step process because you've got to press the power

00:59:34 ◼   ► button and then you've got to swipe to dismiss the ad and that's the thing that gets me.

00:59:38 ◼   ► That's the thing that makes me go, "Okay, fine.

00:59:40 ◼   ► I'm going to pay the $20."

00:59:42 ◼   ► Yeah, you've got to because they – especially in the little magnet case where when you open

00:59:47 ◼   ► it, it automatically unlocks.

00:59:49 ◼   ► They want you to be able to see the ad.

00:59:51 ◼   ► They want you to see the ad.

00:59:52 ◼   ► You would never see the ad otherwise.

00:59:54 ◼   ► on iPad with a smart cover, you never see the lock screen if you're always opening

00:59:58 ◼   ► the cover because it just automatically unlocks.

01:00:01 ◼   ► And so even though I don't use a case and so I'm actually physically pressing the

01:00:04 ◼   ► button and staring at that ad, it still makes me swipe.

01:00:08 ◼   ► So I have to do power on and then swipe and now I can read my book.

01:00:12 ◼   ► And that's what makes me spend the $20 to get the special offers.

01:00:16 ◼   ► But it's a fascinating idea, right, that they do this, that they underprice their product

01:00:23 ◼   ► by $20 in order to show you ads.

01:00:25 ◼   ► It's weird.

01:00:26 ◼   ► Scott, do you do special offers?

01:00:28 ◼   ► I always get the special offers.

01:00:30 ◼   ► Always get the special offers.

01:00:31 ◼   ► I buy too many Kindles not to get the special offers.

01:00:33 ◼   ► Well that's true.

01:00:34 ◼   ► That would add up over time.

01:00:35 ◼   ► I have not been buying them.

01:00:37 ◼   ► I've been buying them with special offers, but like I said, the last two I've unlocked

01:00:41 ◼   ► after a while.

01:00:42 ◼   ► The Paperwhite and then I actually just did it with a voyage today where I said, "Yeah,

01:00:46 ◼   ► I'm just going to do the $20."

01:00:48 ◼   ► So after a little while, you can go to one of those sites that has various Kindle hacking

01:00:53 ◼   ► things.

01:00:54 ◼   ► Do you guys know about Kindle hacking?

01:00:55 ◼   ► >> I had no idea it was such a thing.

01:00:57 ◼   ► >> Oh, I know about Kindle hacking.

01:00:58 ◼   ► >> Oh, yeah.

01:00:59 ◼   ► See, Scott knows.

01:01:00 ◼   ► Scott knows.

01:01:01 ◼   ► Yeah, so there's some sites out there that there is a Kindle jailbreak community, and

01:01:06 ◼   ► you can jailbreak the Kindle.

01:01:08 ◼   ► And the only thing I use in the jailbreak is you can--so if you don't have special offers,

01:01:16 ◼   ► got these screensavers and they're like these really obscure like woodcuts of things themed

01:01:20 ◼   ► around writing and reading or pictures of dead authors. Those are your choices I think.

01:01:27 ◼   ► And they're not that great. And you can't, believe it or not, you can't like copy images

01:01:31 ◼   ► onto the Kindle and have them used in the screensaver. It just, they won't let you do

01:01:36 ◼   ► that. So that's the number one reason that I hacked my Paperwhite was if you jailbreak

01:01:43 ◼   ► the Paperwhite and install this screensaver hack, you can load your own images as the

01:01:49 ◼   ► screensaver or you can opt for it to use the cover of the book you're currently reading

01:01:54 ◼   ► as your screensaver.

01:01:55 ◼   ► Which I think is actually a great idea and I have no idea why Amazon doesn't offer that

01:02:00 ◼   ► as an option for people who have turned off special offers because it's really cool to

01:02:04 ◼   ► just see the cover art when you turn off your Kindle like it was a real book.

01:02:10 ◼   ► Amazon is not interested they want like pictures abstract pictures of pens and

01:02:15 ◼   ► type and the kobo just another shout out to kobo the kobo does display the cover

01:02:22 ◼   ► of the book you're currently reading when you walk it by default look at that

01:02:25 ◼   ► but they're no special offers the kobo special it makes no offers no every now

01:02:32 ◼   ► and then there's a really great special offer like five dollars by by a ten

01:02:37 ◼   ► dollar gift card for five dollars that happens every now and then you're like

01:02:40 ◼   ► what? I just want to make sure you're paying attention. Yeah and I bought some books through

01:02:44 ◼   ► it but but I hate the press the button and then swipe to turn it on that's really stupid.

01:02:51 ◼   ► But I do like you should check out the others Kindle jail breaks they're out there I don't

01:02:54 ◼   ► know I assume they haven't gotten it running yet maybe they have I haven't looked for the

01:02:59 ◼   ► for the voyage but they definitely jail had the paperwhite jail broken not too long ago

01:03:04 ◼   ► They did that pretty fast.

01:03:07 ◼   ► And yeah, there's not a lot you need to do with a jailbroken Kindle.

01:03:14 ◼   ► I mean, you can copy, convert EPUBs to MOBIs and just copy them on via USB.

01:03:21 ◼   ► So it's not like Amazon prevents you from sideloading as much content as you want onto

01:03:25 ◼   ► this thing.

01:03:26 ◼   ► You could download EPUBs that are not DRMed and just, you run them through, is it, what's

01:03:34 ◼   ► What's the app that you use to convert?

01:03:37 ◼   ► - Calibre?

01:03:38 ◼   ► - Yeah, Calibre or Caliber or Calibre or Hover.

01:03:42 ◼   ► It's pronounced hover.

01:03:43 ◼   ► Yeah, Calibre is the one that you basically can set up

01:03:49 ◼   ► a workflow that says take these EPUBs,

01:03:50 ◼   ► turn them into MOBIs, copy them onto my Kindle,

01:03:52 ◼   ► and it does it and Amazon doesn't care,

01:03:54 ◼   ► which is kind of cool.

01:03:56 ◼   ► - And you can also use the send to Kindle

01:03:58 ◼   ► to just send a MOBI to your Kindle

01:04:01 ◼   ► and then it's stored in your cloud library.

01:04:04 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's actually a feature that they added.

01:04:06 ◼   ► They have improved some of the stuff

01:04:08 ◼   ► with the Kindle software over time,

01:04:09 ◼   ► like being able to add a book,

01:04:12 ◼   ► and it stays in your library.

01:04:13 ◼   ► It's not like a one-time load.

01:04:15 ◼   ► It actually stays in there.

01:04:17 ◼   ► Like your own personal books can stick around

01:04:20 ◼   ► in the Kindle Cloud library.

01:04:21 ◼   ► That was a nice touch.

01:04:22 ◼   ► They let you reset your bookmark now,

01:04:27 ◼   ► which for a while you had to like fill out several forms

01:04:29 ◼   ► and testify in court that you didn't want.

01:04:34 ◼   ► So I would read a book and then my wife would read the same Kindle book and every time she

01:04:37 ◼   ► would open it, it would say, "It looks like you're at the end of this book.

01:04:40 ◼   ► Would you like to jump to the end?"

01:04:41 ◼   ► And she'd say, "No, I'm reading the book now."

01:04:43 ◼   ► And there was no way to reset that feature and now you can do that.

01:04:46 ◼   ► You can go to their, I think, the website and say, "Reset the bookmark," and it does

01:04:49 ◼   ► that.

01:04:50 ◼   ► It's a whisper sync.

01:04:51 ◼   ► No, I'd say the...

01:04:52 ◼   ► I think.

01:04:53 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, it's...

01:04:54 ◼   ► Yeah, I think so.

01:04:55 ◼   ► I think it's all good now.

01:04:57 ◼   ► It just took them a while to get there.

01:04:59 ◼   ► The big thing that still drives me crazy, and I'm interested, especially for you, Scott,

01:05:03 ◼   ► since you've been using the Kindle for so long.

01:05:05 ◼   ► John Gruber wrote about this when the Paperwhite came out,

01:05:08 ◼   ► and I agree with him 100%.

01:05:09 ◼   ► It's sadly still true two years later,

01:05:11 ◼   ► is the typography on these things is not,

01:05:14 ◼   ► I mean, it's not terrible.

01:05:15 ◼   ► I'd say it's mediocre.

01:05:17 ◼   ► They're like six fonts,

01:05:18 ◼   ► and most of them are not very good book fonts.

01:05:21 ◼   ► And they're all justified, so they're fill-justified,

01:05:25 ◼   ► so that they're, it's a straight line down the right side,

01:05:28 ◼   ► which means, depending on how the words break,

01:05:30 ◼   ► You can have like variably wide spaces between words on a line instead of just letting it

01:05:36 ◼   ► run ragged right and being properly spaced.

01:05:39 ◼   ► And it also doesn't do hyphenation, so it's even worse than it would be if it was hyphenated.

01:05:45 ◼   ► And so it drives me crazy because it's like the screen is really beautiful now with the

01:05:49 ◼   ► Voyage, but the typography is still kind of crappy.

01:05:52 ◼   ► I think the Voyage would be a much better product if they had some better typefaces

01:05:56 ◼   ► and some better type display options that they have.

01:06:00 ◼   ► And that's one place where something like iBooks on the iPad has it just way beyond

01:06:06 ◼   ► Kindle because the typography in iBooks is so much better than it is in the Kindle.

01:06:10 ◼   ► And it's a real shame.

01:06:11 ◼   ► I mean, fonts, you would think a product devoted to reading that perhaps fonts would be a priority,

01:06:17 ◼   ► and I apparently not.

01:06:19 ◼   ► [laughs]

01:06:20 ◼   ► Ben, I was going to ask you about that actually, Jason, because I have read many of these complaints

01:06:26 ◼   ► and it doesn't bother me at all, mostly because I'm comparing it to--

01:06:30 ◼   ► I read a lot of paperbacks, and if you look at the fonts and typography in a cheap paperback,

01:06:35 ◼   ► they're awful, so I feel like it's an accurate representation of the paperback experience

01:06:40 ◼   ► with the edit bonus that you can choose from six awful fonts, as opposed to the one that's

01:06:44 ◼   ► set by the publisher.

01:06:45 ◼   ► I don't know if they're all awful, but many of them, right?

01:06:49 ◼   ► Like Palatino's fine, Baskerville's okay.

01:06:52 ◼   ► I don't even know what I use, but I never change it, and it annoys me when I get a book.

01:06:56 ◼   ► book that has the publisher default font.

01:06:58 ◼   ► - And the publisher fonts are horrible,

01:07:01 ◼   ► 'cause whatever engine they use to embed fonts

01:07:04 ◼   ► and then display embedded fonts,

01:07:05 ◼   ► those fonts are almost always unreadable.

01:07:08 ◼   ► - Yes, that's the worst.

01:07:10 ◼   ► - And it used to be you couldn't change them.

01:07:12 ◼   ► Now you can go away from publisher font

01:07:14 ◼   ► to one of the six Kindle fonts

01:07:16 ◼   ► and it'll let you do that, which is better.

01:07:18 ◼   ► But it just drives me crazy.

01:07:20 ◼   ► I'm looking at a page of the book that I'm reading right now

01:07:22 ◼   ► and there's one line that happens to have

01:07:25 ◼   ► broken in such a way that there's the equivalent of like five letters of space between every

01:07:31 ◼   ► single word on that line because they're insisting that it be fill justified and that

01:07:37 ◼   ► that right edge be solid, which is there's no need. I would like an option for that not

01:07:43 ◼   ► to be the case and I would like more fonts. So, you know, this is an opportunity for somebody

01:07:48 ◼   ► who really cares about typography to come in there and make the Kindle experience that

01:07:52 ◼   ► much better and it's just you know I feel like they're not showing off that screen

01:07:56 ◼   ► like that screen is now so high resolution that they and there was a story on I was looking

01:08:00 ◼   ► it up today there's a story on TechCrunch I think that was reporting the rumors of this

01:08:04 ◼   ► new they called it a new Paperwhite but it's very clearly the voyage and one of the things

01:08:08 ◼   ► in their story was that there would be a new hand-tuned custom beautiful reading font made

01:08:14 ◼   ► for the this beautiful new 300 dpi screen.

01:08:17 ◼   ► M.I.A.

01:08:18 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:08:19 ◼   ► Yeah, it's not it's I have to believe that they're spending they've spent so much time on the hardware

01:08:25 ◼   ► And I think that with the the voyage is kind of the the pinnacle of their hardware push on the Kindle side

01:08:31 ◼   ► that they they must be I'm hoping spending the same amount of time on the software and

01:08:37 ◼   ► Because I mean you look at a paperwhite - or even a paperwhite next to the Kindle voyage at the software level and it's identical

01:08:45 ◼   ► nearly identical. Yeah, like they added the ability to go back from a footnote.

01:08:50 ◼   ► Or now the footnotes like pop up. Yeah, the little hover thing is like on your website.

01:08:57 ◼   ► They hover. They hover. Yes, that's what they do, Myke. They hover. And yeah, the software is

01:09:06 ◼   ► pretty primitive, and it's too bad that it isn't better. And that's why—the typography—that's

01:09:11 ◼   ► why I bring it up, is that, you know, this could be better. Actually, the other thing that

01:09:15 ◼   ► that annoys me and this might not bother you so much if you're just reading books

01:09:18 ◼   ► on it but as somebody who also read the newspaper so I'd have a couple different

01:09:22 ◼   ► things the home screen takes like a second to update and it always if it's

01:09:26 ◼   ► sorted by the most recent thing you've opened so invariably in the morning I

01:09:31 ◼   ► would turn on my Kindle it would have my novel from the night before I would

01:09:35 ◼   ► press the home button you know tap in the menu bar to bring up the toolbar and

01:09:40 ◼   ► then tap on the home button and it would bring me to the home screen and what I

01:09:44 ◼   ► What I would see would be the newspaper followed by my book.

01:09:48 ◼   ► And I would reach with my finger to press the newspaper and at the very last minute

01:09:52 ◼   ► it would resort knowing I had just left my book and flip the book up to the top item

01:09:57 ◼   ► and so then I'd tap on my book and it would be back in my book and I'd go "Noooo!"

01:10:00 ◼   ► And it's just because the interface is slow and, you know, it's not that different from

01:10:06 ◼   ► what it was like five years ago, really.

01:10:09 ◼   ► - They haven't improved much on the interface.

01:10:12 ◼   ► And I imagine one philosophy could be,

01:10:15 ◼   ► well they just wanna keep it simple

01:10:16 ◼   ► and make it disappear like you said.

01:10:18 ◼   ► But I think they could invest a little bit more time

01:10:20 ◼   ► in the interface and I'm not saying super whiz bang features

01:10:24 ◼   ► but improved typography definitely.

01:10:27 ◼   ► Even though it doesn't drive me crazy,

01:10:29 ◼   ► it is much room for improvement there

01:10:32 ◼   ► and maybe some justification options.

01:10:34 ◼   ► - Yeah, keep it simple.

01:10:36 ◼   ► Let's keep it simple.

01:10:38 ◼   ► But it could be, I feel at this point now the hardware

01:10:42 ◼   ► is really being let down by the software.

01:10:43 ◼   ► I gave it more of a pass when it was early days

01:10:48 ◼   ► and when the screens were still kinda coming up to speed.

01:10:50 ◼   ► But now I feel like they're selling a $200,

01:10:53 ◼   ► high resolution, beautiful product,

01:10:55 ◼   ► and the software is still kinda clunky and bad.

01:10:59 ◼   ► And that bothers me.

01:11:01 ◼   ► But you don't normally see it.

01:11:02 ◼   ► I mean the idea is that when you're in there,

01:11:04 ◼   ► you're just reading, which is why only the typography

01:11:07 ◼   ► really is an ongoing thing that bugs me.

01:11:09 ◼   ► It's just that I wish that it was a little bit better

01:11:11 ◼   ► because that's what I'm staring at all the time.

01:11:13 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:11:14 ◼   ► - And they have, to be fair to Amazon,

01:11:15 ◼   ► they did add X-ray, which is kind of a cool software feature

01:11:19 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:11:20 ◼   ► - And real page numbers, which is hard to describe

01:11:23 ◼   ► as a software feature, but it is a software feature, right?

01:11:25 ◼   ► - It is. - So that's kinda cool.

01:11:26 ◼   ► - And actually the time countdown,

01:11:28 ◼   ► which I do use sometimes, which is--

01:11:30 ◼   ► - I do love that.

01:11:31 ◼   ► - How long am I gonna be here?

01:11:32 ◼   ► It's like, well, about 42 minutes and the book will be over.

01:11:34 ◼   ► It's like, oh, that's good.

01:11:35 ◼   ► how long is it until the end to the next chapter break?

01:11:37 ◼   ► Oh, it's only five minutes.

01:11:38 ◼   ► I can sit here and finish this chapter right now."

01:11:40 ◼   ► Those are kind of neat features, that they learn what your paging speed is and then use

01:11:44 ◼   ► that as the basis.

01:11:46 ◼   ► I like that.

01:11:47 ◼   ► Do you ever try and race against it?

01:11:49 ◼   ► I'll show you, Kendall.

01:11:51 ◼   ► Just press forward a bunch of times and be like, "Aha!"

01:11:54 ◼   ► But then it thinks you're a really fast reader.

01:11:56 ◼   ► I have been tempted to time it to see if it's accurate or not, but then I haven't done it,

01:12:00 ◼   ► so.

01:12:01 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:12:02 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:12:03 ◼   ► The real page numbers is…

01:12:04 ◼   ► Actually real page numbers I don't really care about.

01:12:06 ◼   ► They could be fake page numbers but I like, because they do match like the print edition

01:12:10 ◼   ► so if you're reading and somebody's reading in print you can say it's on page 415 and

01:12:14 ◼   ► it's actually page 415.

01:12:16 ◼   ► But I just like it because I know then that, you know, I've read 400 pages of this book.

01:12:21 ◼   ► It's not that, you know, it's not 200.

01:12:23 ◼   ► It seems like I've been reading this a long time and then I'll look at the real page

01:12:26 ◼   ► number and be like, "Yep, yep."

01:12:28 ◼   ► Instead of back in the old days where it was like, "I'm at location 20834."

01:12:31 ◼   ► I've read eight dots worth of this book.

01:12:34 ◼   ► Right. How many dots are left to go? But, you know, I wouldn't give it up. I would

01:12:42 ◼   ► choose to read a Kindle. Even if you gave me an old Kindle, I would probably choose

01:12:46 ◼   ► to read it, although I really hated when I had to clip a book light onto an electronic

01:12:50 ◼   ► device in order to read it in the dark. That was really stupid. But I could read novels

01:12:57 ◼   ► on my iPad if I wanted to and it would be fine but I would prefer not to and yeah so

01:13:01 ◼   ► I guess that means it is a luxury item right I mean I can read books on other even ebooks

01:13:07 ◼   ► on other devices that I own so I don't need a Kindle but I do prefer reading on a Kindle

01:13:13 ◼   ► to an iPhone or and I do read on an iPhone if I'm like somewhere in you know waiting

01:13:18 ◼   ► at a doctor's office or something like that I'll read a book on my iPhone and the whisper

01:13:22 ◼   ► sync is really nice there because I read a Kindle book it automatically knows where I

01:13:25 ◼   ► I am and when I go back to my Kindle it knows where I left off and that's great.

01:13:28 ◼   ► But if I could choose, and I'm fortunate enough to be able to choose, I choose to read on

01:13:34 ◼   ► the Kindle.

01:13:35 ◼   ► I like it better.

01:13:36 ◼   ► >>Scott Hanselman That's because it is better.

01:13:38 ◼   ► >>Joe

01:13:51 ◼   ► Although I really like the page turn buttons, the bezel is so narrow and they're so close

01:13:56 ◼   ► to the edge that I find sometimes my finger will just rotate, will just roll over a little

01:14:01 ◼   ► bit and it will touch the touch screen and when I'm trying to go forward, suddenly

01:14:06 ◼   ► I'm accidentally paging backward because it's sensing the touch on the left side

01:14:12 ◼   ► of the screen.

01:14:14 ◼   ► It strikes me that that perhaps is a software problem too and that they ought to be a little

01:14:19 ◼   ► less sensitive when you're touching right on the edge of the screen next to your page

01:14:23 ◼   ► turn buttons.

01:14:25 ◼   ► But that's something that I noticed.

01:14:27 ◼   ► >> I have had the same thing.

01:14:28 ◼   ► And I notice it's with when I'm using my non-dominant hand, so my left hand, I sometimes just accidentally

01:14:34 ◼   ► page back because I'm touching the touch screen instead of just pushing the whatever the fake

01:14:39 ◼   ► button.

01:14:40 ◼   ► >> Yeah, that's a stupid hand and it doesn't know where it's touching and it touches just

01:14:43 ◼   ► slightly off and suddenly and you know you're trying to go forward but you move slightly

01:14:47 ◼   ► off and suddenly you're going back.

01:14:48 ◼   ► And it feels like they ought to be smart about like that very edge of the screen on both

01:14:53 ◼   ► sides by those buttons should not be trusted.

01:14:56 ◼   ► It should be sort of like the iPad lockout thing where if you're holding it by the bezel,

01:15:02 ◼   ► it's intelligent enough to know that you're probably not touching the screen there.

01:15:07 ◼   ► This Kindle probably needs that.

01:15:10 ◼   ► But I'm better at it now.

01:15:11 ◼   ► I was, before I was picking it up when it was on already, I'd put it down for a minute

01:15:15 ◼   ► and then I'd pick it up and I'd advance like five pages and I'd be like, "No, I'm squeezing

01:15:18 ◼   ► the button too hard and now I'm better at that too.

01:15:21 ◼   ► It's just your phenomenal strength that's causing you problems.

01:15:24 ◼   ► Well fortunately you can use software to calibrate just how hard you have to squeeze the Kindle

01:15:28 ◼   ► for it to turn a page and how much it vibrates when you do.

01:15:32 ◼   ► So thanks Amazon.

01:15:33 ◼   ► How hard do you squeeze your Kindle Jason and how much does it vibrate?

01:15:36 ◼   ► I try to be gentle with my Kindle Scott and it vibrates moderately.

01:15:42 ◼   ► I'm gentle with it and it's gentle with me.

01:15:45 ◼   ► That's good.

01:15:46 ◼   ► live by.

01:15:47 ◼   ► [laughter]

01:15:48 ◼   ► Matthew: Mr. Scott McNulty, it has been a pleasure having you as part of this show.

01:15:54 ◼   ► Thank you for being a great knowledge of the Kindle world and also for forcing us to finally

01:16:00 ◼   ► have this discussion that we've been promising for so long.

01:16:03 ◼   ► [laughter]

01:16:04 ◼   ► I have done my duty.

01:16:05 ◼   ► And you will never not be our inaugural guest.

01:16:08 ◼   ► They can't take that away from you.

01:16:10 ◼   ► Unless we erase this show and pretend it never happened.

01:16:13 ◼   ► Which could happen.

01:16:14 ◼   ► Why should?

01:16:15 ◼   ► You were going to say, "You will never be on again."

01:16:17 ◼   ► [Laughter]

01:16:18 ◼   ► David: Maybe when the next Kindle comes out.

01:16:21 ◼   ► Pete: I notice my popularity gets a brief blip when the Kindle comes out.

01:16:26 ◼   ► And then I go back into obscurity.

01:16:28 ◼   ► David; And that's the reason he buys them all, folks.

01:16:31 ◼   ► Pete; Please, someone pay attention to me.

01:16:33 ◼   ► Jared; And we should say that Scott, if you enjoyed listening to Scott, you can listen

01:16:37 ◼   ► to him every week on Random Trek, which is a podcast on the Incomparable Podcast Network,

01:16:42 ◼   ► which is a podcast network that is not Relay FM, but is also very nice.

01:16:48 ◼   ► And so go to the incomparable dot com slash random trek or random trek dot com will take

01:16:53 ◼   ► you to a page completely controlled by Scott McNulty.

01:16:56 ◼   ► And if for some reason you can't remember either of those, there are links in the show

01:17:00 ◼   ► notes.

01:17:01 ◼   ► Show notes.

01:17:02 ◼   ► Relay dot FM slash upgrade slash eight.

01:17:07 ◼   ► There's one more thing I want to mention before we go.

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01:18:28 ◼   ► Thank you again to our sponsors clubhouse and hover and we'll be back next time. Say goodbye Jason. Ahoy friend

01:18:35 ◼   ► I think that's the start.

01:18:37 ◼   ► But we'll go there anyway.

01:18:38 ◼   ► Ahoy is like aloha, Myke.

01:18:40 ◼   ► It means hello and goodbye.

01:18:41 ◼   ► Bye.

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