14: The Marvel of the Buttermilk Biscuit
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From Relay FM, this is Upgrade, episode number 14.
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Today's episode of Upgrade is brought to you by Igloo, an internet you'll actually like,
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My name is Myke Hurley and by now you should know that my co-host is the one and only Mr.
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Jason Snell.
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I'm melting!
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It's raining here in California.
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It's still raining here in California, Myke.
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You need the rain.
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You need the rain, Myke.
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How do you feel about the rain, Jason?
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Does it make you happy?
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Does it make you sad?
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Do you sing in the rain?
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You know, I, I, uh, what I really like about the rain is that I don't have to go out in
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it because I have no commute anymore.
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this morning my wife took my son to school and I'm like, "You could drive." She's like,
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"No, we're gonna walk it. It's closed." And then it just started pouring down rain. It was,
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oh. But you know, it's good. We need the rain. Otherwise we will all die of thirst in the summer.
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So it's good that we're getting it, but there's a lot of it in a very short amount of time here.
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So I hope it keeps up, but it's just kind of cold and damp, and this storm is a lot cooler than the
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last storm. So the last storm, our heater didn't even come on. It was just, it was a warm tropical
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kind of storm that came in so it was you know pretty mild and this one's a little
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bit colder so it's more kind of damp and unpleasant but you know I just stay I
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just stay in inside that's my solution to the bad weather stay inside don't go
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anywhere why would you anyway I have nowhere to go actually that's not true
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I'm going to speak at a user group in Sacramento tomorrow so I actually have
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to drive hopefully it won't I don't think it's gonna rain so much tomorrow
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but I have to drive up there that's a that's more than an hour away so that'll
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be that'll get me out I'll be out tomorrow. What's the topic of your
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discussion? I'll let you know when I figure that out. And you're going
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tomorrow? I'm going tomorrow that's right I just looked at the calendar today and
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I was like oh yeah huh okay I'll you know it's it's a user group so they're
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they're pretty forgiving and I have many things I can talk about I just I'll put
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you know an outline and some slides together it'll be great it'll be fine.
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There's a lovely picture of you on the MacNexus.org page.
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Well googled, Myke. Well googled.
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This is how I roll.
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Mm-hmm. Yep, I'll be there tomorrow. If you're in Sacramento and listening to this, between
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Monday December 15th and Tuesday December 16th, 2014, you could go and listen to me
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talk there. That's like two people who are on this audience. But anyway, yeah, I'll be
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So I look forward to hearing about that.
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Will there be video, Jason?
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Are they gonna video you?
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Somebody will video you from the back of an iPhone
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and post it to YouTube.
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- It's better when I can just be unvarnished
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and say anything, anything.
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- You should go and tell them why this year,
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well 2015 will be the year of Linux.
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You should go and tell them that.
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- Linux on the desktop.
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- Linux on the desktop, it's gonna happen.
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It's gonna happen.
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- It's inevitable.
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- Mr. Jason Snell.
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- Mr. Myke Hurley.
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- Would you like to address some follow-ups,
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some #AskUpgrade follow up.
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- I would, I would.
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#AskUpgrade is of course this, if this then that setup
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that was recommended to us by a lovely listener.
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And now when anybody tweets anything
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with #AskUpgrade on the Twitter,
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it's automatically put in a Google spreadsheet
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for us to consult. - I have to say,
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there has been some abuse of the hashtag, hasn't there?
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- I, yes, we'll get to some of it.
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I omitted some of it where people were saying,
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what kind of shoes, which shoes should I wear this morning
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and things like that.
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We're not gonna do that, but we'll skim over those.
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But it is kind of nice to have them all just sort of
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sitting there in that spreadsheet.
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- Oh, it is a fantastic idea actually.
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- Yeah, I've heard from several people who are saying
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they may do the same thing for their podcast,
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just do the same thing, give it a hashtag
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and then collect the results in a spreadsheet.
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It's very, very clever.
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- It's a very, very good idea.
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So that's our meta follow-up.
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First piece of follow-up is from listener Joe Steele,
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not a real name.
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And it is, "What is the official name for upgrade fans?"
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- I like Upgraders.
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- Upgraders.
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- What do you think of that?
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- It's not bad.
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It's not bad.
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It's an actual thing.
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It could be an actual thing.
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And I like the errs better than the e's.
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Maybe that's a Trekkie and Trekker kind of thing,
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but like, Upgraders, it just sounds like a person
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who upgrades, which is much more reasonable.
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Upgradeese is like, I'm a crazy person,
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and love, I don't know, it just, it doesn't work for me.
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So, I would go with Upgraders.
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I suspect that perhaps our listeners may have some opinions.
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They can always go to #AskUpgrade on Twitter.
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- I have, I mean, I have the word upgradeese earmarked
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for something else.
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- Oh, good, good.
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- So we won't call our listeners the upgradeese.
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In the chat room we have suggestions for Upgradians, Upgradists, Updates.
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I don't know why Upgraders...
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Update is not the name of the show, people.
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Okay, anyway, so that's thank you Joe Steele for asking the question.
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Until it's unseated as Champion, I think Upgraders is our current official name for the stars.
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does our next upgrader have to say for today? Our next upgrader is listener Ben
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who asks what should I have for breakfast now see this is what we were
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talking about about the abuse of the ask upgrade hashtag you can't ask upgrade
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anything just anything also because he sent this like five days ago so he's
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still waiting for us to tell him what to have for breakfast listener Ben is in
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deep trouble because we we only are answering them here on the show well and
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And the answer...
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If you're going to do exactly what we say, you know, then maybe, "Jason, what do you
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think we should make Ben have for breakfast?"
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Well, I mean, clearly the answer is waffles.
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So he should have waffles.
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And so Ben, I expect to see evidence of your Ask Upgrade influenced breakfast.
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Sunday we had we had some nice people over to our house for for a little brunch and I
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made biscuits which are not cookies which are not you know British biscuits they're
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they're like southern buttermilk biscuits they're like a little bit like scones except
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there's more moisture in them so they don't suck all the moisture out of your entire body
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when you bite into one like a scone I like scones but they're dry man they're dry yeah
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And I make those, and I actually make those more than waffles these days because I really
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like them. I got a good recipe from Alton Brown, the TV chef/cook guy. He's not a chef,
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he's a cook. And we had some of those, and that was really good, and some bagels and
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some other stuff. It was, I would say, a successful brunch. We talked about podcasting a little
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bit because that always comes up. Yeah, we had a good time. But biscuits are confusing,
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I didn't mention it because they mean cookies in your world and that's not
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what I made I didn't bake cookies. They're biscuits. They're very nice.
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People who don't know, people outside the US who have never tried to make a
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southern style buttermilk biscuit, they're pretty easy to make and and
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quite tasty actually. You put jam on them, put many things on them. I put jam on
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them. You can put maple syrup or honey. Anyway that's our that's our breakfast
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vertical. Thank you listener Ben. So you do eat them more like scones than
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cookies? Oh yes, yeah so they're, I mean it's mostly it's mostly flour and
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baking powder and salt and then butter and buttermilk and and the way you the
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way you make them is you you keep folding them over you fold fold of dough
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over on itself like ten times or something like that and what it does is
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that's creating layers. And so then you bake them, use a little, you know, cookie cutter,
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basically. Or biscuit cutter, is that a thing? You know, those little molds that you can
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make a cookie in a different shape, like Santa Claus cookie, or a circle cookie, or a square
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Yeah, they're cutters. Cookie cutters.
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Cutters. Cookie cutters. So I use those and make the little round biscuits in a little
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pan and you put it in the oven. And when they come out, because you fold the dough on top
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of each other, you get these layers so that you can kind of pull them apart. They just
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kind of fall apart and, you know, so you can just open it up in half and then put some
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jam or butter or whatever honey on them and eat them and they're very good. They're tasty.
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I recommend them. It's a—I started talking about biscuits on Twitter when I was making
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them and people are like—all my international Twitter followers are like, "What are you
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talking about?" And I realize people don't know around the world that the marvel of the
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buttermilk biscuit, you should try it out. We'll put a link in the show notes, how about
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that, to the recipe I use. I think I found it. Alton Brown Healthier Biscuits is the
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one that I like. Healthier because they're not truly healthy. I can put it in. I know
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how to put things in the show notes. I know, but I got it already. Okay. I'm magic like
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I appreciate your powers as a host.
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Anyway, so this is our cooking vertical.
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There it is.
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Actually, I'm going to use, I'm going to move up another piece of feedback then because
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this seems to be an appropriate time.
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Listener Matt, or it may be former listener Matt, said, "Why not just change the theme
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of the podcast to be about the life of the independent worker?
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It seems it's headed that way anyway."
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And I talked to listener Matt about it.
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And his point is, he's not an independent worker.
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He's a guy in an office.
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And he doesn't-- he--
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and I totally understand this.
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He's tired of listening to people
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who are podcasters who don't have actual jobs talking
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about what it's like to be them.
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My response to former listener Matt
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is that it's not going to be about that all the time.
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It will be about that occasionally,
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because you and I are both sort of new to this life.
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And there are interesting wrinkles that come out of it.
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But this is primarily going to be about technology.
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And I say that after having talked about buttermilk biscuits
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for five minutes.
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And I believe in a previous episode,
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I talked about Brussels sprouts.
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That may also happen.
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But we're going to-- we span-- we contain multitudes,
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Lister Matt.
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But I think it's fair to say--
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and I hope you agree, Myke-- that this is about--
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this show is about sort of like a few things.
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It is about technology and how it affects our lives.
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And we will talk about technology.
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but it will also touch on other things that affect us,
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both me and Myke.
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Would you say that's about right?
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- Yeah, I think what Upgrade isn't is a tech news show,
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and I think that's what people wanted it to be maybe,
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at least some people,
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but it's definitely more, I think, now at least,
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now that we've kind of found our groove, I think,
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it's definitely more about the way
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that technology affects us.
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So when we talk about things like blogging and podcasting
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and membership schemes and things,
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they're like things that are happening in our lives
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at the moment and we actually changed the description
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of the show to fit it a little bit more.
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'Cause I think whenever you start a show like this,
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you have to let it adapt a little bit
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and the fortunate and maybe unfortunate
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in some ways about this show is because it has you on it.
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So people are gonna come immediately.
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- That is unfortunate.
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- It's very unfortunate.
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- You saw that one, you've really got something here.
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- From episode one, there's gonna be
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a relatively large audience,
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so people get to see the adaption of the show,
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'cause all shows go through this,
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and it's helpful if you have a show
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of a small audience at first,
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so you can kind of find your groove,
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and I think Upgrade has found its groove,
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and it's more about things that affect us
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with technology and trends and things like that,
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and then obviously the huge stories we'll discuss,
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but we don't go into the minutia every week,
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and I think Connected does that a bit more,
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Like we actually talk about in the past week,
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this is something that's happened
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or something like that, you know?
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- Well, I think, I mean, look,
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if there's something big that happens,
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especially about Apple,
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but really something big in technology,
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we're gonna talk about it.
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And what's happened the last few weeks, I think,
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is we've done a lot of shows
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where you've just left your job.
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I left my job not too long ago
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and nothing really has happened that's interesting.
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So we talk about the things that are sort of on our mind
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And on the tech news front, there wasn't a whole lot.
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But I do also agree that I don't think
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that just because something like a headline happened somewhere,
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we would necessarily cover it for a couple of reasons.
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One is, if we don't have anything particularly
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interesting to say, I kind of don't want to give it time just
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to say, oh, yeah, this thing happened.
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And what do we think of it?
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And every now and then-- it doesn't happen very often,
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but every now and then when I'm listening to ATP,
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that happens.
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Where it's like, anybody have anything on this?
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And then you hear John Syracuse go, nope.
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And then it's like, OK, well, let's move on.
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- And then Casey says good talk and then.
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- Yeah, exactly, right.
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And you know, also I do listen to a lot of tech podcasts,
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so I have that other thought of if it's a minor topic
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and it's been covered to death on another show,
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I'm not sure I really wanna have us cover it to death
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and say the exact same thing.
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I mean, I don't, not everybody listens to every podcast,
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but that's an aspect of it too.
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So what I wanna do is reassure people
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that this is not going to turn into quit, right?
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That's not what we're doing here.
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This is not about people working independently, but there are angles to that that will come
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up because of the stuff that Myke and I are doing, and we will talk about them.
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And when there is news about technology, we may take a little bit of a different tack
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when we talk about it and think about like a different angle to it, because I would love
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to be able to do that, to take a piece of news and say, "I wonder what this means for
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X, or you know, instead of it just being like, "Hey, this happened. What do we think of the
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specs of this new product?" And we'll see how it goes. That part remains to be seen.
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But we, you know, that during the holiday period, a lot of tech companies are not really
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releasing products. They're selling the products they already announced, and there are sales
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and things like that. And it makes it more difficult to have a show that's just purely
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focused on tech. And we don't want it to be purely focused anyway, but I will totally
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admit that the balance the last few weeks was a little bit a little bit different than
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I would say the average show would be but that's what an average is it's you know it's
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over time and those two weeks I think are not you know they're they're they're a little
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bit off the the normal formula but in the end I think it'll all balance out.
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That's the that's the self-analyzing vertical.
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And a good friend, by the way, once an eagle 56 in the chat room says, "Will you ever crown
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a best friend?" And the answer to that is, "If somebody would like to buy all of our
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ad spots, yes."
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And I will allow that.
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Also best enemy available for the enemy discount.
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Still nobody has contacted me about an enemy deal.
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I like the idea. It would be like a hostile witness in a trial. Like, you know, they're
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appearing under protest to tell you about their service or something. Or we would have
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to bring in like a guest to read the ad because we would refuse to do it. It could be fun
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if somebody wants to be our official enemy. I'm just saying. Anyway, let's see, we got
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some more feedback, of course. Nice feedback from Upgrader Josh. Let's try that. Don't
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overanalyze. Just do something that lets me give you money. Anything. Both of you. Which
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is us talking about subscriptions versus ads and how we do it. And I appreciate that. It's
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very nice to listener Josh just to say that and I'm sure we will find some way
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for you to give us money at some point right you know but somewhere somehow
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we'll find a way yeah you could buy stickers you could buy stickers you
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could buy stickers I don't see any money from the stickers though so that's a
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good way to give up great to support relay which is fine when we do a t-shirt
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however, that would be a different story. All right, nice. Listener K. Lacoste, I
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actually don't know what that listener's real name is. Do we... let me see if I can
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look that up. This is good podcasting. Kevin, listener Kevin, Upgrader Kevin
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says, "Can we make the What's Jason reading on Marvel Unlimited a weekly
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vertical. PS reading on a mini question mark exclamation point I guess that's
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in what an interrobang. Yeah I read comics on an iPad Mini and it's fine.
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They're better on an iPad Air, yeah that's totally true, but on an iPad Mini
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it's fine. Sometimes I will pinch and zoom, especially on two-page spreads
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because those are really small, but I can do it. And as to what I'm reading on
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Marvel Unlimited, I'm not sure if I'm reading anything right now. The most
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recent thing that I read and enjoyed on Marvel Unlimited was the Infinity event from Jonathan
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Hickman which is the Avengers and New Avengers and it's and I like it it's like a sci-fi
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story I mean the nice thing about it is it's one it's one writer it's fairly self-contained
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it's like 14 issues or something and it's in only two comics there are some tie-ins
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but really you can read the two comics and it's a straightforward story and it's a really
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Hickman has done some really strange things with the Avengers in telling these, this weird
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sci-fi story about like collapsing parallel universes and stuff like that and it's really
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interesting it's actually very much unlike most superhero comics and I like that I actually
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grew up anybody who had episode 14 as when I would first mention the Micronauts on upgrade
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you win. I grew up on sci-fi comics like The Micronauts that were, you know, not really
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about superheroes. They were superhero-y, but it was mostly more like sci-fi concepts,
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and Hickman's Avengers run has been like that, where it's got the usual superhero characters
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in it, but they're dealing with kind of cosmic issues. A little like Guardians of the Galaxy
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is more a sci-fi movie than a superhero movie. It's a little like that. And so I just read
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that a couple weeks ago and really liked it. That's that vertical. Myke, have you read
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any of that?
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Do you read comics?
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Yes, but not right now. I downloaded Comixology to my 6+. I just want to see what it's going
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to be like. I think, well, I definitely could only use the guided view.
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That would be great in guided view though.
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I don't really like guided view.
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I don't like guided view either. I love that they did it and I think that it's great for
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people who are not comic literate. I talk about my wife being kind of comic illiterate.
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She's a librarian, she never grew up with comics though, she's a great reader, but reading
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comics is a different kind of literacy. You've got to process the visual information really
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differently than reading a book. And for somebody like her, I think guided view is great because
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you don't have to figure out what panel to read next or where your focus needs to go.
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That's great, but if you are literate in how to read a comic book page, it's awful, I think.
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It's a it's you do it because the screen's not big enough and so you have to do it and they built it because the iPhone
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Original, you know early model iPhones were so small that there's no way you could read a comic on it
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And they wanted to address that audience and it's great that they did but I can't I can't read in that format
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I mean it makes I understand why they did it
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Like it make this you say it makes sense and and I get why because you actually can't really read a comic on a phone
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In any other way, I don't think it you just like sort of zooming in and panning around
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But I don't like that I don't see the full panel.
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I mean it is good because I have a bad habit
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of opening a double page spread
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and my eye is just flicking down to the bottom right corner
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to see what's happening.
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It's like I have that like,
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you know like when somebody gets a book
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and then they open it to the last page
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and read the last line.
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- I'm one of those sort of people, you know.
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Like I see like a big action on the right hand side
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and I just quickly look at it
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before I've read everything on the left.
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But I do prefer to be able to see the art in full.
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And I know that at the end,
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like when you get to the end of the page,
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it will show you the whole page if you want it to,
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rather than like, so it zooms into all the different panels,
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so it's allowed you to read and it shows you the page.
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I just don't think you get the same experience from it.
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And there's a narrative tension that's brought
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and the artists and writers know it,
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that you can see everything on one page,
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but you can't see what's on the flip page.
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And that defines the pacing and all of that.
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But I do love digital comics.
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I'm very happy that we now live in a world
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where we have these beautiful color devices
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that let us read comics digitally.
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I think it's a great thing for the comics medium as a whole.
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So that's What's Jason Reading on Marvel Unlimited this week.
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Maybe I'll bring that back, we'll see.
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If I read something interesting, I promise to mention it.
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How about that?
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- Listener Mr. Villeneuve,
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which I probably have mispronounced.
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Yes, you're gonna get another correction now.
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That's okay, we'll just keep going on this.
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This is the badly pronouncing French things vertical.
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We were talking about (laughs)
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Chon Blanc, who I essentially called Shane Blanc,
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not quite, but I might as well have,
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let's just get it all wrong,
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Chon Blanc, and you said it was like Mont Blanc, the pen,
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to which our French listeners, upgraders said,
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You don't pronounce the T and the C,
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it's a Brit trying to correct an American
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a French word and pretty funny so at least Mont Blanc. Yeah allow me to defend myself here.
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Jean Blanc's name is not pronounced "blanc". That was why I did it and also because the
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English pronunciation of Mont Blanc, the pen is Mont Blanc. I know that it's not okay but that's
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how people say it. Pen vertical. I kind of went with that for you but yes I apologize to everybody
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in a slightly neighboring country for my gross pronunciation of your beautiful mountain.
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Mont Blanc. So the pen is pronounced Mont Blanc. No, well it shouldn't be but that's what everybody
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says. Oh okay so it's a common pronunciation. It's a common pronunciation. Not the actual pronunciation.
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Exactly. All right. Listener Adam has sent us a neat tweet with a link to imitation nerve
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brain balls going cheap in what is that Spitalfields market? Spitalfields market, yep. This is
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an interesting one. I know this shop. This is a chain shop called Tiger and the next
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time that I see one I'm going to pop into one and buy myself a foam brain. Just for
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this show. So I can kind of sit here and just look at the brain and feel inspired. That's
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That's good.
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We're deep in the phone brain vertical now because also listener Brian wrote in to say,
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"Thank you for talking about the brain balls on upgrade.
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I found this while cleaning my basement."
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And he sent me a link to an eBay auction where he is selling his mint in bucks Nick and Nerf
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foam brain ball starting bid $150.
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Buy it now for $200.
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So he wasn't aware that it was valuable until we talked about the brain ball and talked
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about how they were going on eBay and now we're going to make listener Brian some money.
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So good job listener Brian.
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And to those out there who covet a mint inbox, a Nick and Nerf brain ball, it's on eBay from
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listener Brian.
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I think I want it.
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I don't think it's worth it.
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I think you should investigate that four pound tiger brain ball.
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It's just made from a tiger brain.
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Sorry, tigers.
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The brain ball is like, you know, it's like a mythical object now.
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Yeah, nobody has bid on the, on, on listener Brian's eBay.
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Brain ball right now.
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Upgrader Brian, sure.
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Here's something I didn't know, that you can do financing on eBay now.
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So it says price.
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It's a bad idea.
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Yeah, $200 or $34 for six months.
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That is a horrible thing to do as a customer, fantastic thing to do as a business.
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It's an easy way to help them sell the larger ticket items like a $200 brain ball.
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Very interesting.
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It's a bad idea.
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Mm-hmm, horrible idea.
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Well, unless you're eBay.
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All right, I think we're done with follow-up, Myke.
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I think we made it through.
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our next, our actual one, our first topic this week is inspired by Brian Hamilton
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and his Ask Upgrade question. "How do you feel about giving software as a gift? I'd
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like to give my friends iOS games as stocking stuffers." So we're going to talk
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about this and we're going to talk about like kind of digital goods but an
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interesting thing to do and you see I see a lot of companies do this now like
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PlayStation and Microsoft especially with games is to create gift cards
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for digital games. So there's a thing that we were joking about this on
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virtual a couple of weeks ago that Nintendo is going to start selling
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digital codes in actual 3ds boxes. So there are some games that they have that
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are just digital but they will be sold in the actual box, not just as a card, which is
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stupid because you kind of put in an empty... basically Nintendo is selling empty
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boxes but it's a way to try and I think push people down the digital path
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because the games that they're selling are only in digital form. But the reason I mention this is I
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think that this is a good way to give digital gifts to people, is to give them a physical
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object which allows them to redeem the gift. But of course you can't do that with apps,
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so then the only thing you can do it for is a gift card, but if you want to give somebody a specific
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app for a specific reason, like all of your relatives want to give them one password,
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maybe Agile Bits should make one password gift cards, but I'm sure that's not as simple as
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you'd think.
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So can't you gift an app?
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I think you can.
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You can, but it's not the idea of the gifting, it's the fact that there's nothing physical,
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and it's the physical thing I think that people want.
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But yeah, you can gift apps, you can do that on iOS.
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I still don't think you can gift iBooks, which is a really weird thing.
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And only a couple years ago they changed it so you can gift Kindle books.
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Although there are always challenges too where you want to give it at Christmas under the
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the tree and they want to send them an email immediately saying redeem your
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code and get your app. Oh you can gift an iBook now, real-time follow-up. Oh that's
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good. So and this was my issue with Kindle books too is that is that you
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couldn't I was sending Kindle book things on Christmas morning because I
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couldn't queue it up I could buy it like a week in advance and they would get an
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email a week in advance saying oh you got a Kindle book as a gift which is not
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helpful. So I think it's really, I think it's really smart. I just did this, so I was putting
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together my little gift packages that I send to all of the incomparable panelists, thanking
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them for being on the show over the year. And it's just a little envelope with a couple
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of things in it. And I wanted to put an Amazon gift card in, and then I realized that for
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my Canadian panelist, I can't do that because it doesn't work on Amazon.ca. And Amazon is
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very smart about this. Amazon lets you set a gift card for, or a gift certificate for
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any value as a PDF that they mail to me and then I print and it actually is one of those
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like four, it's got like folded over and then folded over again and now it looks like a
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card even though it just came out of my printer.
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I've done this before.
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And that's really smart. And so I think there's something to this because it's so, I love
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the idea in a way of saying, you know what, you should, not like Crossy Road because it's
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free, but like Monument Valley. Like, if I want to give Monument Valley to somebody,
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I know they haven't played it, but they've got an iPhone and I think they'll really enjoy
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it, I should be able to give them something like one of those cards you get at Starbucks
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or something, something that's got a code on it that is a redemption code for that game,
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that whoever redeems it will, that'll be on their Apple ID, and I should be able to print
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that out on a little card-like thing, like what Amazon did, and put that in an envelope
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or put it in a bag with a giant amount. My daughter did this, she gave a friend a gift
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card and it was in a huge bag with all of this tissue paper and at the bottom there
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was a little gift card. It's kind of funny. You should be able to do that. The thing is
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those software and ebooks and things can make really good gifts but they're completely intangible.
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And even though it is kind of stupid to give somebody an empty box, at least the thought
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counts and there's that moment of realization that you got them something and that you cared
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And just saying, "An app will appear on your phone," like a U2 album, right?
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Oh, it's an app.
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That's no good and you can't do that anyway.
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They've got to log in and sign in and accept it and all of that.
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It's just not great.
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just not a great gift-giving experience and it's too bad because it eliminates this whole
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class of presents that especially tech nerdy people might want to give because they're
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the ones who know all the cool apps and they want to tell their friends or their family.
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It's a challenge. It's a real challenge.
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The interesting, not interesting, but the annoying thing, it's completely different
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to interesting, is like so say you want to gift somebody an app and you want to do it
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as a Christmas present. You have to do it on Christmas Day, right, because they're going
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to get the email. And it looks like you forgot. And and and uh,
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CalSethGray in the chat room points out, and this is true, I actually did know this, now
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you can queue your Amazon stuff. But when they first rolled out Amazon ebook gifting
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as a concept, it was instantaneous. So it's getting better. But even then, yeah, it's
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just like, oh I got an email that I got a present. Yay. It's not that exciting. I don't
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this is this is it's it's a problem and then there's the hardware which is also
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a problem because so much tech hardware is really expensive so unless you're
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buying for somebody who you have a very large budget for it's your significant
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other or a parent or a child or I don't know a boss that you really really
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really want to impress that's also a problem with so many technology items
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are you know computers and things which are I know there are those television
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ads I don't know if you see them in in the UK where where there is like a
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luxury car with a giant ribbon on it which just kills me yeah totally you're
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gonna buy a car for a Christmas present that's totally gonna happen surprise we
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got a new car my understanding is that only happens when somebody turns 16
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that's what I learned from American TV yeah interesting yeah that could that
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could be well they don't the car ads don't show the wife murdering the
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husband for buying a car without telling her.
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That happens after the commercial's over.
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What the hell did you do?
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But it's a similar thing where it's like,
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those are big ticket items.
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So you end up in this weird, if you're a techy person
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or you're giving gifts to people in your life
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who maybe rely, I think a lot of our readers,
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readers, listeners, upgraders, rely,
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they rely on our upgraders to be their kind of tech gurus,
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their tech experts.
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But what do you buy them?
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An iPod case or iPhone case, iPad case?
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That's what you're left with is very thin collection
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of things that are hardware that aren't just ephemeral
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and transient, mysterious download codes,
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but aren't like a computer.
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And it's a very thin slice of things
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that are like 20 bucks or 50 bucks.
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You know, accessories can be key for this kind of stuff,
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but then it's still difficult to buy.
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'Cause things like,
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somebody was asking me about buying a present for a friend,
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and they were saying, "Oh, I might get them,
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what do you think about getting them an iPhone case?"
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It's like, yeah, but that's really difficult
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because people really care about these things
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and they dig in and they wanna get the,
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people choose something that matches personality
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or fashion or tastes that are difficult things to buy.
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But you can look at them all the time.
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But there is another piece of real-time follow-up
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from Upgrader Kyle who's on it today.
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- You can queue iTunes stuff now too.
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- Which he didn't used to be able to do.
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- Exactly. - Smart.
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- He has reminded me though of another frustration
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that I have with digital gifts.
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'Cause it says right here on the screenshot
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that he sent us.
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Gift redeemable in the US store only.
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That's really difficult for me
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because I've tried to buy things for people before
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and I can't do it.
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So in the UK, I cannot gift you an app.
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- This bugged me too, because I,
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and again, maybe Lester Kyle will set me right,
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but I went to amazon.com and tried to see
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if I could get an Amazon Canada gift card.
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And I couldn't.
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I had to go to amazon.ca,
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log in with my amazon.com account,
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which works at amazon.ca, buy it there.
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And that just seems sort of silly to me
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that I have to do that.
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If I'm giving a gift to somebody in the UK,
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I should be able to gift them a UK version.
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I should be able to pay the US price
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and have it just attached to their iTunes account.
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Why is it limited to the US store only?
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It's stupid, stupid.
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Maybe they're worried about fraud,
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about people gifting things from a fake account
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to a real account in order to bypass.
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But you know, this regional restriction stuff
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is really not, it's very 20th century
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and we need to get over it.
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So to see Apple furthering it in that way,
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It's just, that's dumb.
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- It's frustrating.
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So we're talking about apps,
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and we're gonna talk a little bit more about apps today.
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So some actual technology topics coming up.
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- Come back, Matt, come back, former listener Matt.
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of tech news that broke today? Oh yes.
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Because it's quite important to me and I think it's interesting considering the difference
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between the UK and the US on this type of stuff. So British Telecom, who have primarily
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been a landline and internet provider for the last few years, moving into TV, they actually
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started their own mobile network O2 many many years ago and then it's kind of
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they span it off and it got bought by Telefonica and became independent. So BT
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for many many years has not had a mobile presence. Now today, BT have confirmed
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that they're in talks to acquire EE which is one of the new very large
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networks in the UK. What two letters will they choose as their new name?
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BEAT. E-B-E-T-B-E-T. Phone, home, phone, see? Oh, it's perfect. They should be E-T.
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So E-E, which is abbreviated from everything everywhere, which is a company that came into
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existence when T-Mobile and Orange merged here a few years ago and created E-E. So it's actually
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now is actually an offshoot of Deutsche Telekom, the owners of T-Mobile in the US as well I
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believe. Unless they've been bought, because I know there was talk about that.
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No, they're still trying to unload them.
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So the interesting thing is that there's a lot of things that are now going to happen
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because like EE had Spectrum for different operators, so they gave out to 3 and other
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network here, and Vodafone had an agreement with some other companies. So there's lots
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of like weird things are gonna happen but the reason I bring this up is
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because it's interesting because now it looks like there's enough movement and
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shifting in the mobile markets here that we are getting less competition.
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That's why I bring this up because I find it very interesting because if you look
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if you can kind of read the tea leaves and see that this is gonna break up a
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bunch of agreements which may mean that maybe there's more shifting that's going
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to happen. I just find it interesting because as companies are merging, because
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you know EE were merged from two companies and now they're going to BT and
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that could break up some other agreements which might mean that some
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other companies have to maybe work together more closely. It's moving us I
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think towards the US model. Even though we will probably never, as long as
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there's a couple of providers, we'll be better because we don't have areas that
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won't ever be serviced by one network like I know that you guys have you know
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so there are parts of America where it's like you just can't get like there's not
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that many though I mean there is usually some competition in every market in the
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US. It is just I see this stuff and it concerns me a little bit as these
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companies are ballooning. Oh yeah. You know like BT now offers television and
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and they actually have quite a comparable television package
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compared to Sky TV and Virgin TV here.
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Like BT are buying up a lot of the sports games
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to kind of block Sky out.
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So they're buying up a lot of football
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to get people to join BT TV.
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It's just interesting 'cause they're definitely learning
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from Comcast and like AT&T.
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- Well that's not good.
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That can't be good.
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- No, it's not good.
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I mean, the good thing that we always have
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the European Union for this stuff. They are very, at least seemingly, pro-consumer.
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You know, like always trying to slap people on the wrists. Whether
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rightly or wrongly, you know, like how they try and have jurisdiction over
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Google, Microsoft, which works to some instances, it is at least we always have
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them to try and protect us. This deal may not go through.
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Regulators may say no you cannot do it, but actually there's something
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interesting to bring up because I think it's a sort of change in the tide.
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It's not, you know, competition. I'm less concerned about wireless because although
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those are huge companies and will behave badly, at least they're battling each other. Having
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competition even if it's, I mean, it's better when there's somebody like T-Mobile in the
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US that is, essentially has nothing to lose and so their entire, their deals aren't always
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great but they try very hard to be different, the whole un-carrier branding that they use.
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The idea there is that they will offer things that the other carriers just don't want to
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offer, like unlimited data plan.
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And that's interesting.
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It helps when you've got a competitor like that that's hungry and willing to do that
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in order to get customers.
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The big problem in the U.S. is the internet, wired internet, broadband internet market,
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which until wireless internet can provide a really serious competitor.
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I know you use your wireless Internet for the show.
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Until that happens, you know, my choices of fast Internet at my house are Comcast.
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I had DSL before, which is AT&T lines, and I was able to use a reseller for that, but
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there are no—Comcast doesn't have to resell their lines to other providers.
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It's theirs to control.
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And as a result, there's really no competition in my area.
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no fiber here and so it's Comcast or slow internet those are my choices well
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I choose Comcast because I have no choice I have to choose it to do what I
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do so that's the worst but you know the few the less competition there is the
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worst it is for everybody so my condolences yeah welcome to come well
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welcome to cable town it does concern me it really does concern me that we're
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gonna end up moving towards that but we'll see. Anyway so I mentioned apps so
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you recently posted as part of your extended gift guide coverage on
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sixcolors.com your favorite things for iOS apps yes and you put some some
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choices in there I must say you're quite behind on inquisitive but that's a
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another issue for another day. I am so well I because I'm not commuting anymore
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I am picking and choosing inquisitive episodes and then putting them manually in my playlist.
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So I've been meaning to listen to Guy for a while now and I just haven't had the chance.
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That's okay. I will let you off on this one instance.
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Also I wanted to make sure that it was in there so I reordered my playlist so that there
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would be interesting things in there, in that screenshot.
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Thank you. Thank you for saving my ego. Although if I wouldn't have seen anything I would have
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just presumed you'd listened to all my shows so you know it works. It works one way or
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really, there are not enough dishes for me to wash
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to listen to all the podcasts I wanna listen to.
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It is a challenge in my life.
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- It is so weird that I listen to more shows now
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than I did before and I don't know how that's happening.
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- I don't know how that's possible.
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- I don't know what I'm doing.
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But basically, something that you picked out in this post
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is the fact that you are currently using
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replacement apps to Apple's first party apps
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quite frequently. - Yeah.
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I don't know how it happened.
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And I wanted to give you kind of an idea of what my sort of situation is like as well.
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So you can kind of see how I'm doing with that stuff.
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So like you, I use mailbox for mail.
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There are just some things that initially I wasn't too sure about with mailbox.
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I don't advise using mailbox for calendars.
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It's really bad at calendars.
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What did I say?
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You said you use mailbox for mail, which is exactly as intended.
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should use mailbox for mail and not any other reason. Try not to use it to
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take like pictures and stuff. No it's the worst replacement for the camera app you
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could imagine. Every time you want to take a picture you have to make a new
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message and then say insert photo and then say make a new photo and it's just
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it's it's unintuitive yeah. So I really I really like mailbox like some of the
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stuff that I was initially not sure about I've actually come to love like
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you know how you can say say to mailbox tell me about this message in three days
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time or something like that. Yes, yes. And one of the reasons I've actually come to love it is
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because I now use Mailbox on the Mac too. Yes. Because if you use an app outside the Mailbox
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ecosystem, things start to get a bit weird. Right, because the apps, the Mailbox apps,
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will know that that message needs to boomerang back into your inbox, and they will do that if
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they're running, but the, you know, if you're not using an app that does that, they won't know.
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And you can see those messages, those special mailboxes,
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they're visible as like IMAP mailboxes,
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but really you need to buy in for it to work
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because you need the apps to all know
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that if you said, I wanna see this message tomorrow,
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that it's now tomorrow and here's that message again.
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- But quite simply, my favorite feature of mailbox
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is the manual reordering that you can do of your messages.
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- Huh, I never use that feature.
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- Oh, I love it, I love it.
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So instead of something that's like four messages down
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that I know I need to do today,
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I just drag it up to the top and it gets done.
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I kind of treat my emails sometimes
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like a little bit of a to-do list.
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I know that that makes people like,
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it makes their toenails curl.
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- No, that's, I totally do that.
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- But I think that's what Mailbox is actually built to do.
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You know, it actually also has to do functionality
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built right in like lists.
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But there's just certain things that it does
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that I really like.
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I have a real hate-hate relationship with Apple's Mail,
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just in general, especially on the desktop.
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It's like, just makes me wanna cry every time I use it.
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And I think that Mailbox is a really interesting app
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and it's a lot of good stuff.
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I think I maybe go a step further than you, Jason,
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in that I use Chrome for my web browsing.
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- You do go a step further than me.
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I still use Safari for that.
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- And it's 'cause I use Chrome on the desktop
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for many reasons.
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- And I use Safari on the desktop.
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So if I was using Chrome on the desktop,
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would my wife uses Chrome on the desktop and so she uses Chrome on her phone too.
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I think that you know it makes sense to have all those things tied together
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because they kind of share information. But I am also a big Fantastical user as
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well like like you. I think that might be all I can necessarily think of I mean
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obviously I use obviously but I do use Overcast and not the official podcast
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app. I use Beats Music not music although that kind of is first party.
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- Yeah, well, I just, I remember when the first app replacements came out, replacing
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Apple stock apps, I thought, "Oh, well, you know, this is esoteric and weird and for super
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nerdy people who have super nerdy needs and it's great that they're making these things,
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but come on, you know, Apple's..."
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And there was the question about whether Apple would even allow those things to continue
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because they duplicate existing functionality and they got over that and it hasn't been
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But I just realized when I was making my list this year that, you know, three of the items
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on my list of apps I use a lot that are not, you know, that are third-party apps are replacements
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for stock Apple apps, you know, Overcast for podcasts, Fantastic Al for Calendar, you know,
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and Mailbox for Mail. So I don't know how that happened, but I don't—and I don't know
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if that's a sign of really good, mature third-party apps that are really well thought out or whether
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it's a bad sign that Apple's apps are making me want to abandon them for
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third-party apps. I'm not sure whether I'm an outlier there and those are very...
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I think it's becoming more and more prevalent that people are using these
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and you know what a really interesting thing to look at which I hadn't thought
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of we could we could try and see what the what people are doing is home screen
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dot is they have a most popular top apps don't they? You know I posted a
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homescreen.is tweet and I like deleted it within 20 minutes because I was
00:51:56
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everybody on my Twitter stream was criticizing my choices. I saw that
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actually. I just deleted it I said forget it. Yeah it's and it was not it was a
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messy home screen it's actually much better now than it was I ever since I
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migrated to the iPhone 6 I it kind of was a disaster and I was like I need to
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I need to take care of this and I just hadn't done it but but still that was
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one of those really nice Twitter moments where I'm like hey here's my home screen
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and everybody's then like, oh, well, let me criticize all of your bad choices.
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So I just deleted the tweet.
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So they don't show the stock Apple apps on this screen, but it does give a good indication.
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So for example, 12% of home screen is people use mailbox.
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11.47% use inbox, the Google app.
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17% have Fantastical.
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That's a big number.
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I mean, obviously this is skewed.
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- These are nerds.
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- These are nerds.
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But it gives a good indication
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'cause you've got 14% use Gmail.
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Now if you assume that most people
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probably don't have Gmail inbox and mailbox
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on their home screen,
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you may be looking at about half
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use not the Apple Mail app potentially.
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And so it's just looking at this data is quite interesting.
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17% of people have Chrome,
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which is maybe higher than I would have expected to.
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So you can kind of get from this
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that there is some, there's quite a lot of movement
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in people wanting to use third-party apps.
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I mean, I've just remembered,
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you said about when the first third-party apps,
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the first-party replacements came out.
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Obviously, there was a time where Apple would reject apps
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because it was, "This is a mail app
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"and you have all the mail you need,
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"what's wrong with you?"
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- Duplicates existing functionality.
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- Which was crazy.
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I think it was a podcast app was the first one
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that got that rejection, or at least the first one
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that I remember.
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- Right, 'cause you could sideload podcasts already
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using iTunes, so why would you ever need a podcast app?
00:53:56
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- I think it's interesting that Twitter,
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the Twitter app, Federico will be happy to hear this,
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the Twitter app is on 35% of home screens on homescreen.is,
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and Tweetbot is only on 29%.
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- And it's the only other Twitter client there, isn't it?
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- Apparently so.
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- Twitterrific isn't there.
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- It's not there.
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- Your darling, Twitterrific, your darling, something.
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- Yes, I love it, I love it.
00:54:16
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I like it on the iPhone.
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I gave up on it on the Mac and I love it on the iPad.
00:54:21
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I think it's great on the iPad.
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- So obviously, at WWDC 2014,
00:54:26
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a bunch of things happened that we didn't expect
00:54:29
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would happen, right?
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Like keyboards, for example.
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Will we ever see the ability
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to add your own third party replacement
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instead of the Apple app?
00:54:46
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So when I click a button to email someone,
00:54:49
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can it open mailbox instead of mail?
00:54:52
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- I think it might happen eventually.
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- It's like a low hanging fruit thing, right?
00:54:59
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It's like you can imagine it's all a whiteboard
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and they're waiting until they need to fill an amount
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of check, like, you know, we have X amount of features,
00:55:07
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we kind of need a couple more.
00:55:09
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Why don't we just put this one in too for OS X?
00:55:11
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- I think the question is,
00:55:12
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when does the user experience harmed more by the fact
00:55:15
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that people have these apps that do the same thing
00:55:17
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as the Apple apps.
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And when they tap on something,
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they expect it to go to the apps they're using
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and it doesn't, it goes to the Apple apps.
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When does that experience become more of a problem
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than the problems that are generated
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by having lots of dialogue boxes that pop up
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that say, "I'm not your default.
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"Would you like to make me your default?
00:55:37
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"Don't ask, ask again later," et cetera, et cetera,
00:55:40
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like they do on the desktop,
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or another confusing potentially preference
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in the settings app,
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like the notification center preferences.
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And I would argue that,
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I mean, Apple knows about what apps people are using.
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I would argue that we are at the point now
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where it's probably an improvement,
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a net improvement to the experience
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to let people set the defaults,
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as long as the choice to set the defaults is well-designed.
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but that's a question is would it be well designed
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or would it be really annoying?
00:56:13
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If they, and that may be exactly what Apple's thinking
00:56:16
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is we could do this now,
00:56:19
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sort of like the old copy and paste debate, right?
00:56:21
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We could do this now, but it would be crappy.
00:56:23
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It would literally be,
00:56:25
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you appear to be launching this web browser,
00:56:27
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but Safari, Chrome, but Safari is set as your default.
00:56:29
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Would you like me to change that?
00:56:31
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And you don't want that.
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That's actually kind of a lousy experience,
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especially if you get it all the time.
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So it may be that Apple's like not philosophically opposed
00:56:40
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to this idea, but wants to do it in a way where most users
00:56:43
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are not going to get bugged by it.
00:56:46
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'Cause it bugs me when I try to share something
00:56:49
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or click on a link, like a calendar link,
00:56:51
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and it takes me to calendar instead of Fintastical,
00:56:53
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or a mail link that takes me to mail instead of mailbox.
00:56:56
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That bugs me.
00:56:57
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It makes me avoid certain features in the operating system
00:57:01
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because they're not gonna do
00:57:02
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what I actually want them to do.
00:57:04
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- So this is something that, another thing that
00:57:08
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- Upgrader Kyle has pointed out who is quite literally
00:57:11
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on fire today, I think.
00:57:12
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- We should just call him.
00:57:13
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Let's call him, let's get him on the show.
00:57:16
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- Is that you can actually click a button,
00:57:17
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which I didn't see. - Well, actually.
00:57:19
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- So it allows you to view all of the apps this week.
00:57:23
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I mean, 'cause what we were looking at before
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was apps this week, not apps overall on homescreen.is.
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With Apple's apps included.
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And then it kind of becomes a different story.
00:57:33
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Like 63% of people have mail.
00:57:36
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- Well, sure.
00:57:37
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Where is that button?
00:57:40
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Oh, view with Apple's apps.
00:57:41
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Oh, look at that.
00:57:42
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63% of mail.
00:57:45
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77 have Safari, 86 have phone.
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So take that people who don't like the phone app.
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It's still there.
00:57:55
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It's interesting.
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39% have Google Maps.
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36% have Apple Maps.
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- I don't know why people are using Apple Maps.
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and like 38% of people have notes.
00:58:08
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What is going on here?
00:58:09
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Come on guys.
00:58:10
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- Myke, Myke.
00:58:13
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- Is notes on my home screen?
00:58:17
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Notes is on my, I think my second screen.
00:58:20
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- Do you use the notes app?
00:58:23
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- What do you use it for?
00:58:25
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- The number one thing I use it for
00:58:27
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is when I am watching a movie or a TV show
00:58:30
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for the incomparable and I need to take notes
00:58:32
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about what I'm seeing so I can refer to it later
00:58:35
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when I'm doing the podcast.
00:58:38
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That's what I use the Notes app for.
00:58:39
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'Cause it has no features, it syncs to my Mac,
00:58:45
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so I can call it up here.
00:58:47
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That's what I do.
00:58:48
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That's all I use it for.
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I think almost entirely.
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If I launch it on my Mac today, let's see what's on there.
00:58:54
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I have a thing that I needed to read to my son
00:58:57
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that I had in Gmail and I couldn't find in Mailbox.
00:59:01
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That's the one thing that really bugs me about Mailbox
00:59:03
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that its search isn't very good. So I had that in here and then it's an
00:59:08
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incomparable note, an incomparable note, an incomparable note, incomparable,
00:59:12
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incomparable, incomparable, yeah that's it's all it's all notes from me sitting
00:59:17
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and watching a movie and and flipping open my iPad and typing a couple of
00:59:20
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things about something that I'm watching. I can see why you deleted the the tweet
00:59:28
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because now I just want to discuss with you Notes apps. Yeah, yeah. I had Notes app
00:59:36
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on the home screen. Yeah, I'm sure that upset quite a lot of people like it's... I had it on the home screen.
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Upsetting me a little bit, but... It's now on my second screen. I'm trying to think though, like, what
00:59:46
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app can can do that as well as that app, and maybe SimpleNote? Maybe? But isn't it
00:59:52
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overkill for me to install a third-party app just to do the occasional Notes
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while I'm watching an incomparable thing, when I've got that app installed on my phone
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and my Mac already, and that's all I'm doing, all I'm using it for. It's like, I use it
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so seldomly that even if there is something better, I get no benefit out of it being better,
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because I don't use it for anything else. It's that literally that I use Vesper more
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for notes that I actually want to file away and look at later. I don't use notes for that.
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Notes is the while I'm watching a Doctor Who episode and I want to write down things that
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that I want to talk about on the podcast.
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That's what I use it for.
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Do you think that when and if the Vespa Mac app comes
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that you might change your mind?
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- I think it will be more,
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I think I would probably use it more.
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- If it was, if I had access to it on my Mac, then I do.
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I just, I literally do use it as the place,
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like, you know, like it was designed for.
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I use it as the place where I squirrel away things,
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where I'm just, I'm somewhere and I'm like,
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I'll write that down and remember to look for it later.
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I just really cannot stand that paper texture.
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Oh, well yeah, it's terrible.
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And I know that's not necessarily a reason not to use the app,
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but it does, it makes me feel unwell.
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I don't really know why it's there, I don't get it.
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Like, why? Why now? Are you still doing it?
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Like, reminders, I can't even go close to that application
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about it make, you know, oh, so bad.
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Why do you click the things and then the cards scroll up?
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Do you use the reminders app at all?
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- Do you use it frequently, Jason?
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It's where I put all of my story ideas for six colors.
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- It's funny, I think what I'm finding here
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is that what I'm using different apps for
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is different tasks.
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So rather than having like one app
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that has a bunch of categories
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and I put different notes in different categories,
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I just put all my story ideas and reminders
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and some to-dos that are sort of like work to-dos
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of like, you need to do this today.
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And a few ideas are in there.
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And then I use Notes app,
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but just for the incomparable notes.
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And I use Vesper for something different than that.
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And I use Grocery IQ for shopping lists.
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Sort of single task apps instead of having a...
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I'm really bad at the fiddly filing system thing
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of like, I'm gonna tag this with this
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and put it in this category and all that.
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I just, I never do that.
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So instead, my categorization system, in some ways,
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seems to be what app I put it in.
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I updated my home screen on homescreen.is
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to be more acceptable now.
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Notes isn't on it anymore.
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- I'm very intrigued about the way you use your phone now.
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- What does it mean, Myke?
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I, yeah, I'm intrigued by it too,
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'cause I have no idea what I'm doing.
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I just, I don't know.
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I don't know, I don't use my phone as much
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as I think a lot of people do,
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because I use it more when I'm out of the house,
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which I'm not as much anymore.
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When I'm in the house, and like in the house house,
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and not in my office, I'm usually,
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my iOS device is that iPad mini.
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That's what I will look at for email and Twitter
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and things like that.
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The phone is when I'm out and about,
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more than anything else.
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So the use cases are pretty different.
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I want to park that there for just a moment.
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- Put it in the parking lot.
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- Yeah, I want to come back to that.
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And maybe we can discuss your home screen a little bit too.
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'Cause I'm looking at it now.
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And I'll update mine, Jason, so you can see it.
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So you can see it too, if you'd like.
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But before we do that, I'll just take a moment to thank
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our third friend for this week.
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And that is Igloo.
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It saves you storage and also makes sure your team is always working on a live and same
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Even new features like Igloo's task management system have all been designed on the ground
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and all of Relay FM.
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- And a good friend.
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- They are a good friend indeed.
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So I've just taken a new screenshot
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and I'm gonna go to the home screen app if I can find it.
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So I'm gonna try and activate a spotlight search.
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Oh, the spotlight search worked, that's nice.
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And do I want to, oh, I do need to sign in
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so I can update it right here.
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It's uploading, Jason, as we speak.
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So, what I wanna talk to you a little bit about now
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is the way that you use your iOS device.
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Because I'm very interested
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because of the way you described it,
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because I don't think it's normal.
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I think that--
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No, no, no, I didn't mean it like that.
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That sounded really bad.
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I mean, I don't think it's like how people
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tend to use these devices now.
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You know, in the way that you say it's my on the go device,
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which I don't think is necessarily the way
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that a lot of people use their phones.
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Like me, I use it for so much all day, every day.
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Even when my Mac is in front of me,
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I'm using my iPhone for stuff,
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because I prefer to use my iPhone for stuff.
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- I used to do that.
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I used to do that until the iPad came out.
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And the iPad changed that behavior.
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I used to prefer using my iPhone over my Mac
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for so many things when the iPhone first come out
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before the iPad came out.
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In that period, I realized I was using my,
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I used to have my laptop like around the coffee table
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and things like that.
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And even when it was sitting there kind of closed,
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I would just use my phone.
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It was just easier.
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The apps were better than using a webpage,
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but the iPad has supplanted it.
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When I'm in my house, you know,
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unless I have the iPhone in my pocket
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and the iPad is like, I don't even know where it is
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and all I wanna do is look and see what's going on
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on Twitter, it happens, but it's very rare.
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Usually I will go to the iPad instead.
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When I'm in the house.
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- I've just put my home screen in the chat room.
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So I can-- - I'm looking at it.
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- Take the onslaught from the upgraders as we speak.
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- Okay, so see, the thing is I have never been an iPad guy.
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I mean, I've always had iPads,
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but they never seem to stick for me,
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which is strange.
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I kind of, I have like a--
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- I don't think it's normal, Myke.
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- I don't think it's normal.
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It isn't normal, because a lot of people love their iPads
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and they use them when they're at home,
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but I've just never been able to get them to stick.
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I didn't mean to call you abnormal, Jason.
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- No, that's okay.
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No, you may be right.
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You may well be right, Myke.
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You wouldn't be the first, you won't be the last.
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So you are not a heavy iPhone user then, fair to say?
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- No, I mean, if I'm going anywhere,
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I obviously have my iPhone with me.
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I'm always listening to,
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that is where I listen to all my podcasts.
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So if I'm doing the dishes or something,
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I will put in my headphones on my iPhone
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and do the dishes listening to podcasts.
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If I'm driving somewhere, it's connected via Bluetooth
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and I'm listening to podcasts.
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And if I'm out and about,
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out at walking down the street
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and need to see what's going on on Twitter
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or something like that,
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absolutely all of those things happen.
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It's just that if I'm in the house
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and the iPad is around,
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I will use the iPad, not the phone.
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That's really the distinction.
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And I'm not out as much as I used to be.
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- Right. - That's also true.
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- Okay, so it's interesting because my iPhone usage,
01:09:06
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it's not the same, you know, 'cause I am in front of my Mac
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more than I, obviously Windows never in front of my Mac
01:09:12
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in my corporate job, but I do find myself using my iPhone
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an awful lot still to do things like if I want to read
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RSS feeds, I use my iPhone.
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Quite a lot of the time if I want to read Twitter,
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I use my iPhone because I prefer the experience.
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I mean, I do have a really big iPhone, which--
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That is, I think, part of the reason why I don't use my iPad Mini so much anymore.
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I've spoken about that before.
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But I prefer to read things on that device in my hand rather than on the Mac.
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So you know how people say reading something digitally has a different feel to it than
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when you read a book?
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I feel that way about my phone.
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So reading something on the desktop feels impersonal.
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And then when I read on my phone, it's in my hand, and I'm manipulating it with my thumb,
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and it feels more real, I think.
01:10:07
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I agree with that to a certain point.
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In fact, I have it happen often now.
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This is one of the ways that I use Handoff, is if I'm sitting here at my desk and I've
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got my iPad or my iPhone with me, and it's time for me to take a break, using one of
01:10:21
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the Mac apps I wrote about, BreakTime, saying you should get up because you've been sitting
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down for half an hour.
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I will often use a handoff at that moment
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to take whatever webpage is up in front of me
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and I'll just flip it open to the iOS device
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and read it there and I prefer that.
01:10:37
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I think I agree with you there.
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Or I send it to Instapaper and I read it on my Kindle,
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one of those things.
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But I do, I see what you're saying there.
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For me, the text input thing bothers me.
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I'm just not, I'm a very, very good typist
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and I'm not a very good iPhone keyboard person.
01:10:58
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So I don't mind reading Twitter on the iPhone,
01:11:02
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although the Mac Twitter app has that great notification tab
01:11:06
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where it shows who favorited and retweeted and stuff
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that the iPhone version doesn't have.
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Or Federico loves the iOS version of Twitter.
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I don't love it so much.
01:11:21
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So I do some of that on the Mac
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because I think that's actually a preferable interface for it.
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I don't know.
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Everybody's use cases are different.
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You have the big phone, so you really do have lots of reasons
01:11:34
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why you would gravitate toward that,
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and that makes sense to me.
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-I think it really has changed even more my device usage,
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the 6 Plus, than I maybe expected.
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Like, I don't have any desire to upgrade my iPad for a while,
01:11:52
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I know I spoke about the iPad Air 2 which seems really nice and because there's this part of me
01:11:56
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That's like you could work from an iOS device like more often if you really wanted to
01:12:00
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But then I do get I get that feeling where I if I'm gonna sit down and do some like, you know
01:12:05
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Big work stuff. I kind of want my Mac for that
01:12:09
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I feel like I'm yeah still chained in that way that I agree Federico isn't
01:12:14
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But I do feel like you can if I'm gonna start doing some spreadsheet work, I'm gonna start doing some
01:12:20
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writing stuff. I want to have a keyboard in front of me so at that point, you know, I didn't even have an iPad with a
01:12:27
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or I grabbed the Mac and I'm always going to grab the Mac because
01:12:30
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there are things, some of the stuff that I use, the stuff that I use extensively like Google Docs,
01:12:36
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it works better on the Mac than it does on iOS devices.
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So for me that still makes a lot more sense to do that.
01:12:43
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But I think that at the moment the 6 Plus and the Mac are, you know, my MacBook Pro
01:12:49
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like a perfect pairing. But I think it's interesting to hear the way that
01:12:56
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you are with that. Do you think it's maybe because, I mean I know you said like
01:12:58
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commuting and stuff stopped, but do you think that you're, you know, you're a Mac
01:13:02
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guy at heart? You know, you're still a desktop guy?
01:13:06
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No, I don't know. I mean the fact that I'm a very, very, very fast typist means the
01:13:13
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physical keyboard thing is always gonna have a lot of weight for me because I
01:13:18
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I can be more productive on a physical keyboard.
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Now I could attach a physical keyboard to an iPad
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or even an iPhone if I really wanted to.
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And sometimes I might do that.
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I find lots of value, but like I said,
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I'm finding the value in the iPad
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a little more than the iPhone.
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And I don't know why that is.
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I mean, obviously, if I had to choose one,
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I'd probably choose the iPhone only
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because I'm not gonna carry an iPad
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around everywhere I go in public, right?
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It's not gonna happen.
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But it's a great home device.
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and it fits in that slot for me.
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I don't, I do more now on my Mac than I did before,
01:13:53
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but that's because it's this awesome iMac
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and it's right in my house and you know,
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it's great to do that.
01:14:00
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But I think a lot of it comes back to the keyboard thing
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that I'm not very good at typing on my iPhone,
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even with the custom keyboards.
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And I'm very good at typing on this Bluetooth keyboard
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I have here.
01:14:13
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So for me, that means a lot in terms of my productivity,
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and that is my productivity.
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Also, I'm really pretty fast at typing on an iPad
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with my thumbs on the iPad Mini.
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I'm pretty fast at that.
01:14:26
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And it's just when I get to the iPhone
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that I'm really not very good.
01:14:29
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It's a hard--
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I make too many mistakes.
01:14:33
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I spend a lot of time correcting mistakes
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because the autocorrect doesn't do a good enough job.
01:14:39
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And yeah, it's a little frustrating.
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But I love my iPhone.
01:14:43
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Don't get me wrong.
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I just, there are things that I would prefer to do elsewhere.
01:14:46
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But I don't think it's a Mac thing.
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I think it's a keyboard thing.
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I would love, I've said that before,
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I would love to be able to travel
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with just my iPad and not my Mac.
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But there are some realities about podcast stuff,
01:15:00
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especially where the way iOS does audio,
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you don't have the ability.
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I can't do that right now, unfortunately.
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And so I travel with a Mac
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and I use it when I need Mac-y things,
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but I don't use it for stuff that is better on the iPad.
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- What do you think of workflow?
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So this new app that's come out, which is very,
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which is an iOS app,
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and it's focused on trying to create workflows,
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and it's a bit like Automator for iOS.
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Now, how do you feel about and use,
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and if you do use an app like this,
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'cause it's very much an iOS power user app.
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- Yeah, I'm excited.
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- I'm excited about it.
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Again, if you took the podcast stuff out of the equation,
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I would be really happy using my Bluetooth keyboard
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and my origami case and an iPad
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and traveling with that and writing with that,
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writing with that in cafes
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and writing with that at my in-laws house
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and at my mom's house and whatever.
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I would do that and I would use editorial,
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which has got some great workflow stuff in it
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and I would use workflows.
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And I'm very excited about the idea
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of doing more power user things on iOS.
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For me, what it comes back to is,
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in the end, I always have a Mac available
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because I have to because of this podcasty thing we're doing
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which there are workarounds, but they're really terrible.
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Like literally for me to do a podcast next week
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when I'm in Arizona, without bringing a Mac with me,
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I would need to talk to you on one iOS device while recording my microphone on a different
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iOS device because you can't do both.
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And that's not cool.
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And then if I was editing the show myself instead of you editing it, I could do that
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It would take a lot longer, but I could totally do that.
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There's a great app for iOS that is a multitrack editor that really does work.
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and on the iPad Air 2, it super really works,
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but it would take a little more time,
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but it could be doable.
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It's just not all there yet.
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So that's what holds me back.
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But on the writing and productivity side,
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I mean, Federico has shown us that
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you can do amazing things with this.
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And I'm really excited about that
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because an app like Workflow
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tries to make it a little simpler.
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You don't have to necessarily be quite as daring
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and iOS daredevil like Federico Medici is
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in order to do some of this stuff.
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So I think it's great.
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I'm a big believer in iOS as a platform to get work done.
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But again, I'm more on the iPad side
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and I realize people are kind of down on the iPad right now.
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But I think it's only through things like workflow
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that the iPad becomes so useful
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that it legitimately can be a replacement for a laptop.
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- Because there are some things that you can do
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with this app, which are incredible,
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and they don't feel as hacky as trying to do things
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URL schemes that Federico has really championed for the last couple of years, using apps like
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Drafts and Launch Engine Pro, which are fantastic apps, but they are a little bit more kind
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of if you want to do some interesting stuff, you've got to get in there and start typing
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some stuff, which is not very accessible. And then you've got something like Workflow,
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where it's just like you can just drag and drop the things you want to do, and it kind
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of all makes sense.
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Sure. Editorial has some of that too, and I really like that about editorial. The drag
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and drop sort of widgets like Automator on the Mac that it's not going to give you every
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solution but it lets you build, you know, it's going to be, it's going to be, you know,
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TextExpander and Keyboard Maestro have bigger audiences, more addressable audiences than
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AppleScript because it's just, it's too nerdy and those are simple and this is the same
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thing with workflow or the workflows that are in editorial where, you know, people who
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are not comfortable with code can still get things done. And I'm not somebody who's comfortable
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with Ruby code, right? I'm not going to do that. Or JavaScript code even.
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I feel exactly the same. I've been playing a lot with workflow, and it's the first one
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of these types of apps that I've really felt in control of, because I don't understand
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and haven't taken the time to really try and learn a lot of the craziness that you can
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do with chaining these apps together using URL schemes and things
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like that. I've toyed with it and played around with it in the past, but this
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is an app that allows me to really dig in and try out some interesting
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things. So I've put links to Workflow and editorial in the
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in the show notes. Most of the apps that I think we've spoken about you can kind of
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get to them via our home screens. Too many apps to get to put in the
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show notes today I think. One that I will put in actually is Break Time that you
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mentioned. Because I've been thinking about this, not thinking I need to do
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this. I need to get up and walk around more because I have some back problems
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and I think that this is exactly the type of thing. It's so easy to lose track
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of time. It's so easy to lose track of time. And with Break Time I've discovered
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that. That I turn it on and say you know let me know in 30 minutes and then it
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comes on I'm like no no no no no I just turned that on there's something wrong.
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you know 30 minutes passed and you just stared at a computer while sitting in a
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chair unmoving other than your fingers for that entire time that's bad for the
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rest of your body and yeah so it's it's a it's it's great I mean there are lots
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of apps that do this I'm sure that there are others that are also really good
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this is the one that looked kind of looked the best and had the best set of
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features to me it's pretty cheap and I like it the Mac App Store.
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downloading it right now. So yeah, so that turned out a different way than I
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expected but I thought it was quite an interesting discussion. There's still so
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much that we wanted to talk about today but we can we can save those for next week.
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Exactly, we've got two more shows this year so we have time to do some more
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holiday technology topics if we want to as well as a best of the year whether we
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do that next week or the week after. I'll be traveling but I'll bring
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that computer, I'll bring my MacBook Air and my microphone with me and we'll still have
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our conversations. You're not going anywhere, your family's all right there, right?
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Yeah, yeah, I'll be. We're recording, like, if you want to check the schedule at the moment,
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there are some shows that are moving around. There will be episodes of everything over
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the next couple of weeks, but the days are slightly moving. I think pretty much the only
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day we won't be recording over the next, like, over these seeing weeks is probably Christmas
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day I think. Your commitment to this network has failed. Shame on you not recording on
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Christmas Day. I have failed you all and I apologize and check the schedule if you can
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forgive me. Check the schedule. And I hope Renegade, Upgrady and Matt enjoyed all of
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our tech talk this week. I hope he's back. I hope so too. I hope a friend has told him
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a friend to come back maybe somebody from smile or mail route or igloo maybe
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maybe that's how it works thank you to all of those people thanks indeed as
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well that was a nice little wrap up if you'd like to find us on the internet
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the what if you'd like to surf the the information superhighway to locate me
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and Jason then I go to a couple of places relay.fm is where you'll find
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this show and a bunch of other shows I'm gonna find the show notes for this
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week's episodes relay.fm/upgrade/14. You type that in the box at the top of
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your Netscape Navigator to get there. Exactly or any any sort of web
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communications platform. Oh yeah, Mosaic. Probably. I am @imike on Twitter
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@imike and Jason is @jsnell and he writes the fantastic
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sixcolors.com, which gets better every day, Jason.
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And I think that you stepping away from the corporate life
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has benefited us all greatly.
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And I don't think that you get told that enough
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and you should be told that more.
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And I hope that you feel that you made the right decision too
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because it feels that way for the rest of us.
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- I was on Mac Power Users, it'll be out next week.
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And they said the same thing to me.
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it was very nice to say, I feel like we get more Jason now
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and that's good.
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And I really appreciate that.
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Again, I hope that I can keep doing it
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'cause I love what I'm doing right now.
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I hope that I can make the financial part of it work,
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but in terms of what I'm doing
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and I'm certainly very busy, but I'm loving it.
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So I'm glad people are enjoying
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that they get more of me now
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that isn't spent time in meetings
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or talking to human resources
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or talking about laying people off,
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but instead it's just like writing stories and doing podcasts. So, yay!
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And we will be back next time. Thank you very much to all the Upgraders for listening. Don't
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forget #askupgrade if you'd like to ask us a question or you can send us follow up via
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any means that you would like. Carrier pigeon is preferred. We'll be back next time. Until
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then, goodbye. Ahoy, telephone!
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