26: Ambushed on a Podcast
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From Relay FM, this is Upgrade, episode number 26. Today's very special episode is brought to you by
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your WordPress site. My name is Myke Hurley, but I am joined live from San Francisco, Mr.
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Jason Snell.
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Hi Myke, I'm actually speaking to you live from my old stomping grounds in the Macworld
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podcast studio, which Susie Oakes, who's the editor of Macworld, offered up to various
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podcasters and I set it up so I know where all the buttons are. So, hello from downtown
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San Francisco. Today is March 9th, 2014. Is it? I think it will be. Okay. Jason Snell
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coming to you from Macworld. Macworld's own Jason Snell. I like that you're there. I like
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that you're there. It's fitting. So, we're hot on the heels of a big event today.
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It's a huge event. Huge, huge event today. You're referring to the fact that I met Federico
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Vittucci, right?
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Oh, yeah, of course. That's the only event that I met. This is what was the best-kept
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secret of the day, was that Federico Vittucci arrived in San Francisco today to partake
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in the Apple event. He got an invite. We'll talk about that on Connected. That's a whole
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big story. I'm looking forward to Connected this week, actually.
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Or we can talk about it now if you want, Myke.
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Oh my god, that really scared me. Hi Federico!
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Hi Myke, how are you?
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What are you doing there?
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A podcast, obviously.
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How long have you been there?
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The whole time.
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The whole time.
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It's good I didn't say anything bad about you. Hey buddy!
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- Hi, now I know that I can trust you
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because it didn't say anything bad about me.
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- Yeah, well it's probably something
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along the lines that I love you.
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Hey, how you doing?
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- I'm doing well, I'm doing well.
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Jason was kind enough to invite me here.
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It was awesome.
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- Federica was kind enough to say,
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"Sure, let's do a podcast."
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- Federica. - He was like,
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"Do you wanna do a podcast with Myke?"
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I'm like, "Yeah."
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- You're gonna have to keep your special stories
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for connected, you know, right?
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- Yes. - You can't cheat
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on the connected. - We'll focus
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on the news of the day and save those stories for Connected.
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- That sounds like fun to me.
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- You could be like Moises Chuyon's podcast network
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and have like a crossover event where Federico appears
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on various relay shows to tell various stories
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about his trip to San Francisco.
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His feelings can be unanalog.
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- Do we have a food show, Myke, on relay?
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- Yeah, Federico just ate some pasta in a restaurant
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in San Francisco and didn't hate it.
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- Effectively on Connected this week,
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All I really want to understand is Federico Vittucci invades America.
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That's kind of all I care about.
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Apple Watch, so what?
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All right, well-
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We'll get that when he's back in Italy.
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But now he's here in San Francisco with me because we went to the Apple event today.
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I have never been ambushed on a podcast before.
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That was very well done.
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It's the first time for everything.
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My brain kind of exploded a little bit.
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I didn't 100% understand what was happening.
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I looked at my computer as if I don't know what I would have seen.
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Something's happening.
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You needed to process all the information and the accent all at once.
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Yeah, it was like Jason had learned a very, very good impression.
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He spends one day with a biggie to a perch.
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We've established that I cannot do a Federico Petici impression, other than to say, "Arrivederci."
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But we're not there yet.
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Okay, well, now I have the two of you, which is even better.
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I guess we can go through this kind of stuff in advance.
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I think one of the most interesting things to me, and I kind of
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Don't want opening statements
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We'll cover those at the end kind of like overall feelings of the event
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But I think leading up to this one of the interesting things as we were debating
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Oh, are we gonna see more than just the watch today and and everyone wasn't sure but we saw a
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lot like of the two hours of the event only one hour was the watch and
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There was about an hour of other stuff,
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which I guess is probably the things
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that we'll cover first today.
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But being there and looking back on the event,
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does that surprise you too?
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- It doesn't surprise me.
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I think when I made my terrible prediction
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where I said I didn't think
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there would be an Apple Watch event,
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I think this is the good part of that terrible prediction,
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which is, you know, if all they're doing
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is replaying the event from six months ago,
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why have the event, other than just to remind people?
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and it was still sort of an hour of reminding people
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of the Apple Watch, which you have to do
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because now it's real and now they're going to be selling it.
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So they had to do it, but boy, it would have been pretty empty
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if that was all that we got.
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And fortunately, we didn't. We got an hour of new material.
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We got a whole bunch of new stuff.
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They played the greatest hits at the end there,
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but they gave us some of the new material in the first hour.
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-I think the explanation of the watch
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was a bit more concise and clear.
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like they clearly divided the watch into three main features.
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And I think they wanted to kind of re-explain it all
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from the beginning.
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And I think they knew better what they wanted to tell,
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like the story that they wanted to tell.
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And maybe my memory is a bit, you know,
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is imprecise when it comes to remembering the September event
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but I think that the watch,
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the story that they painted today was very much
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kind of obvious in a good way.
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It's timekeeping, communication, and fitness.
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And I think that, I mean, it's not new stuff,
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but I think they told it better.
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- I think one of the big differences this time
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to what they did in the September event
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was because they could show more third-party stuff.
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So when Kevin Lynch did that, "Here's a Day in the Life,"
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that to me seemed like a much better story
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than what they'd previously shown in the September event,
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because it gave like a real view of,
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this is what this product will do.
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Well, let's be honest. Not only was the hardware
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not done last September,
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the software wasn't done last September.
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And Apple employees hadn't been wearing it on their wrists
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in public living their lives, at least not to the degree
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that they've been doing it for the last six months.
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We've heard these stories about how a thousand Apple employees
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have Apple watches on their wrists
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and have been using them for the last six months.
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And they'll even admit
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that they have the Apple Watch on their wrist.
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They won't demo it for you because that's been
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against the rules, but they certainly would say,
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sure it's an Apple Watch because it's been out there. You've got to think that that six
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months has not only led to this evolution of the hardware and the software, but I really
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believe that Apple employees living with this device have made a big difference in them
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understanding what people will actually use it for in their real lives. And that came
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through. It was a much more focused -- there were still moments of -- like when Christy
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Turlington came on the stage, there was no focus there. I thought that would be a great
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moment to talk about her running and how it was a how she used it and instead it
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was more like "Christie will have a blog where she explains how she uses it in
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the future" but you know that was an exception I think they did do a better
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job of focusing it more.
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My stream kind of died during that moment but I think of
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all the times for it to happen that was probably okay.
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Yeah that was solid.
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Because I was just watching people compare it to Bono on Twitter.
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- No, it was, I would say it was much more substantive than that. And it did sort of
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mesh with, you know, she's got a charity and it's sort of Apple's whole thing about making
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a better world and she was in Africa running the half marathon. It just felt kind of, I
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think all the parts were there and I could totally see how somebody at Apple is like,
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"Oh, this will be a really good thing. We should put this in the event." It just felt
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like all the pieces were there but it didn't come together for me. I just thought it was,
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you know. Also, I have to say really interesting content strategy on Apple's part where they're
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going to have Christy Turlington blogging on -- the phrase was, "She's going to have
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a blog on Apple.com about her using the watch to train." And that's sort of celebrity blogging
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on Apple.com is a totally new thing. I mean, I don't think Bono had a blog telling us about
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- You'll just be automatically subscribed to Bono's blog.
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- Why is Bono's blog in my RSS now? Why am I getting push notifications when Bono releases
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new blog posts?
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Why, don't you want to read?
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It's a gift. It's a free blog post. Everybody gets it.
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I guess the interesting thing, when looking at that, is we were complaining about there
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not being a story, but now they're kind of providing it via means like this, which is
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quite interesting, I think.
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Yeah. Yeah. It's new. New Apple.
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So the first big announcement was the Apple TV and HBO Go. Didn't expect this, and this
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seemed really weird to me. Jason, why do you think this got as much stage time as it did?
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Well it's a big Hollywood deal. It's getting HBO's over-the-top service, which is the,
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you know, you don't have to be a subscriber to watch this service, and getting that as
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an exclusive, a launch exclusive on Apple TV. So the only place you'll be able to get
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the HBO over-the-top service, which is called, what is it called? It's not HBO--
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- HBO Now, is that it? It's three letters. It's all capital letters.
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- HBO Now, I think.
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- That is the only place you'll be able to watch, if you're a cord cutter, watch Game
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of Thrones legally when it starts in April. Because I think a three month, I saw the Wall
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Wall Street Journal was reporting a three month exclusive before other providers can
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offer HBO now. So that's a big coup, but that's also like a exclusive content partnership
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kind of deal. And I would imagine that that kind of deal includes a prominent appearance
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at an Apple event. It signals that Apple is kind of playing hard at the content game,
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which I think is really great. I also had to laugh. We did finally get some Apple TV
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news, hardware news, this event. It wasn't new hardware.
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And the new pricing. We've got a bunch of old ones to move for
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$69 before we can make a new one, apparently. Why do you think they're doing that?
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They just want to sell them? I don't know. Yeah. I think that's -- and it's so old, the
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margins on them have to be great. So they cut the price, which is good because their
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competitors are cheaper, and they have this HBO deal, so they're gonna — I mean, the
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somewhat cynical side of me says they make the HBO deal, they sell a lot of $69 Apple
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TVs, and then they come in with a $99 brand new fancy Apple TV after they've sold a million
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of those cheap old Apple TVs. That may be the plan here, I don't know. But it's still
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a coup. We've talked for a long time about having something come exclusive to Apple.
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And this is, I mean, it's temporary, but it isn't exclusive to Apple, this HBO service.
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That's pretty cool. So that was good news. I felt like for a moment they were going to
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do one of those jokey videos where Tim said, "You know, we keep adding channels all the
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time. You guys have noticed." And I was waiting for one of those videos with the funny music
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that shows somebody scrolling through like 8 million channels on Apple TV. But they'd
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only do that if they were going to replace the interface, and they aren't, so oh well.
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I wonder if, I mean, it must be an American only service, HBO Now. There's no way to
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use it as a European. I mean, unless you have like a fake US account.
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Exactly. The classic, the traditional way is to use it as a European.
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Old-fashioned way.
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The VPN, fake account.
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The VPN, fake account, and you use the American service, yeah.
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I have no idea what you're talking about.
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And then we move on to research kit.
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Totally out of left field, this is not something
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I think anybody could have put their finger on
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to guess about.
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This is interesting, Jeff Williams got quite a bit of time
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on stage to discuss this.
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Now, please correct me if I'm wrong,
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is Jeff the person who's heading up the health stuff?
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Or is it somebody else?
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- I don't know.
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Isn't this the guy who famously drives a--
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Camry, an old Camry.
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'Cause there is an executive who is in charge,
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I think, of health stuff,
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which I remember seeing from the Apple event.
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I can't remember.
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I'm seeing that Jeff is in operations,
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but that kind of, if that's just coming
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from Apple's website, that can mean anything.
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I know that there is somebody who looks after health stuff.
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But anyway, Jeff got quite a bit of time on stage.
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stage, talk about research kit. Now I don't know if you guys were following along on Twitter
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that there were a lot of people talking about how boring this section was and it maybe wasn't
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necessarily riveting but it's a world-changing type type scenario.
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Yeah it's I as I was sitting there I wasn't checking Twitter but I think I've gotten to
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emulate Twitter in my head pretty well. I thought there will be a lot of cynical people
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who will say, "This is boring. I don't care about this. Bring on the new products." But
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I thought, you know, this is Apple making some decisions about wanting to send a message
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that their products do change the world. They change the world in ways that go beyond just
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your own personal interaction with the phone, that they're working to make interesting partnerships
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to find better ways to use those sensors for things that can improve the world. You know,
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it was sending that message.
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And sure, Apple's hardware is at the center of it all.
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I also think it's sending a somewhat subtle message
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about the fact that Apple is the company
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that you're more likely to trust
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with your sensitive health data
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because they don't make a business model
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of selling your information
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like many of their competitors do.
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- They had this big slide,
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Apple will never see your data.
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- Yeah. - And I took a picture
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because it was, and I tweeted it
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because I think, yeah, it was kind of a,
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you were telling me before it was kind of like a sub-tweet
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in a way. - Yeah, yeah.
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- To Google and other companies.
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We didn't say anything about Google. I don't know what you're talking about. But, you know,
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I think it, yeah, sure, it's self-serving because everything in a thing like that is
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self-serving. But I don't, I'm going to try to not be cynical about it and say, look,
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this is something Apple is proud of and Apple wants these, you know, these devices to do
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more than just be the thing you use to check email. They want them to be, to have other
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applications in the world and that's good for their business, but it's also good for
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the world and that Apple loves to send that message
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that their technology is changing the world,
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and this is one way that they could do that.
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For their perspective, it's not a huge amount of effort
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to do something that can have a big impact.
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-Yeah, I mean, I went through medical research myself
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as a patient because when I was doing chemo treatments,
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they wanted me to try these experimental drugs,
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and to do so, at least I had to go through all this paperwork
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and to sign this stuff and to weekly or bi-weekly report all this information about how I was feeling.
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and to sit there and say, "Yeah, I'm feeling this way," or "I'm doing this, I'm doing that."
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or machinery that you have to operate.
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Just my phone and to take simple tests
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because it's got a microphone,
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because it's got other sensors.
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because I saw one side of the equation,
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myself as a patient, and I think it's a big change.
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And the feeling that I got in the room
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was that it really mattered to people there.
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oh, this is boring, bring us the Apple Watch.
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it is going to be open source.
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So we'll have to see if it'll be open source
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like FaceTime was supposed to be,
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or if it'll be really open source
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and available to other companies to use.
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- It was Jay Blannock that I was thinking of.
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Jay Blannock is the Director of Fitness
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health technologies for Apple. He was the guy who narrated the watch fitness video.
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So that was who I was thinking of.
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Good knowledge, Myke.
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Solid knowledge.
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Only because I watched the original keynote like two days ago. So I kind of got them mixed
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around in my brain.
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Ah. Oh my God. You watched them both. That's good grief. Did it feel a little bit like
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Do you know what? It didn't.
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Well, that goes with what we were saying then.
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That's good. I'm glad.
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The demo room afterward felt like a rerun
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because it was the same tables with the same watches on them,
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although you could touch them now
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and they wouldn't look at you angrily.
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So that's something.
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They -- the things that were the same,
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they kind of covered those really quickly.
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But the interesting thing is seeing
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how much of the UI has changed.
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So you know the people picker?
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That's a totally different UI.
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In the original one, it's just a great --
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Yeah, but with a little circular thing.
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That was nice.
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Jason, do you think, what are your thoughts
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on the open source?
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Do you think that Apple will be committed to this?
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- Well, I think this one doesn't have the encumbrances
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that maybe FaceTime did.
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And the question is, will it be useful open source or not?
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And that's a mystery to me, because, you know,
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is this code the kind of code
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that people are gonna wanna take up and use,
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and will it be valuable to somebody
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either on Apple's platform or some other platform?
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And, you know, I think it's a nice gesture that Apple's not trying to make this a trade
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secret and so—but that's where it ends as a gesture and it begins as, you know, can
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How was it built?
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Is this going to work its way into other projects?
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But I think it's a great—I mean, it may be as simple as like somebody saying, "Look,
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in order to get funding for my grant, I need to use open source software.
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I can't use anything proprietary."
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I don't know.
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I know some doctors who I'm going to talk to about this.
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I have a friend of mine who is a cancer specialist at UC San Francisco, and I'm going to ask
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him what his take on this is, because the people who are in this industry will probably
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have a very interesting and different take than those of us who are just like, "I've
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seen the doctor."
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So, we'll see.
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But I think it's a good gesture, and then there's just the question of what's the code
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that's open-sourced, and who can use it?
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Is it all Swift and Objective-C that is not going to be useful outside of Apple's platforms?
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I don't know.
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It'll be interesting to see how long it'll take for this, if it works as a plan.
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If it'll expand internationally to Europe and other countries, or if it'll stay, again,
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a U.S.-only thing, because they announce all these bunch of apps that they will implement
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research kit, and it's all U.S.-based institutions, I think.
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I think I saw, I think there's an English Oxford.
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- Yeah. - There was.
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You're right.
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- So there's hope, I think.
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One of the researchers was from the UK,
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and they weren't just British.
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Like, they were in a UK environment,
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and it came up, I think it might have been Oxford, Jason.
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I think you might be right.
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- But I remember seeing it at the time
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and thinking that was interesting.
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I thought, oh, it's gonna be, no, it's not gonna be.
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So there you go.
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Jason, are you gonna be signing up
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to participate your health data?
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- Well, we'll talk about it.
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None of the apps affect me right now, but, you know, sure.
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I would love that if I had information
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that was useful for something like this.
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I think a lot of people feel that way.
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- Yeah, that's why I think it's good.
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I would do it.
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You feel like you're at least doing something.
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- Sure. - You know?
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Anyway, okay, I want to talk about the MacBook next.
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So we saw the MacBook today and it's called the MacBook, right?
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First off, that surprise?
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Because now the MacBook Air is thicker and heavier than the MacBook.
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Yeah, well, you know, products.
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- This is another one of those situations.
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There used to be a couple of years ago,
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I think some weird stuff about the MacBook lineup.
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There was like the basic MacBook
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and then there was like a different,
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gosh, I can't remember.
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I think it was a couple of years ago
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and people were confused by the product lineup
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and they were like, why does this MacBook exist?
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And kind of now in a way,
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there's this new MacBook and the MacBook Air,
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but it's still heavier and thicker than the other one.
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- But cheaper.
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I mean the MacBook Air now is the cheap laptop.
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It always was, but all those people who predicted
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that this was the low cost laptop,
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and we said, well it's gonna be super thin and light
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and retina, nuh-uh.
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I feel good about those predictions that we made
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because we were right, and this is not a,
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I mean it's not super expensive either,
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but it's not a $999 or $799 or whatever.
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It's what, $1299?
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- Yeah, I think so.
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- I don't have my notes.
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I just tweeted all my notes so people could check
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Twitter account. All the predictions about the lack of physical ports. And when we, I think we talked
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about it on Connected, Myke, when we were saying, well they're just gonna use it, you know, all the
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wireless technologies for AirDrop and other stuff. And I don't know if it's available on the website,
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I'm pretty sure it is, but Apple told me there's going to be a USB-C adapter if you want to connect
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multiple devices at once. Right, yeah, $79. Oh yeah? Did you see the product page? Okay.
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And it has a HDMI port, a USB, it has another USB-C, I think, and a regular USB.
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That's it, $79. Well, they'll be good. That's too bad. So basically you plug
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the power cable into your other USB-C, so then you get one USB and
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of HDMI is kind of pointless. That's dumb. No, I have the Thunderbolt
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dock that I bought for my MacBook Air and it's great because it's got, you know,
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it's got video out and it's got multiple USBs and firewires and
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Thunderbolts and all of that and, you know, that's sort of more what I
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would want out of something like this. But, you know, maybe this is enough
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for somebody. I don't know. That's weird. So some things that you guys
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might not be aware of and Steven is doing a great job. This is this is such
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a collaboration right now he's telling me things at the moment. There's two
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configurations they have a USB HDMI and USB C and a USB VGA and USB C they're
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both 79 bucks and the really interesting thing about this and Steven has a good
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post on 512 pixels with all of that. Of course he does. Of course. Where it's
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basically the configuration page is like an iPad page. Like all of the
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configurations are locked, there's no build to order models. You pick
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silver, gold, space, grey and then you either pick the, what is it, the 256 or the
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512 storage and a 1.1 gigahertz dual core or a 1.2. That's it.
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and they're both locked to 8GB RAM as well.
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Well, they said we took everything we learned from making iPads
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and put it into making this MacBook, and I think that's accurate.
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I think from my notes, one of the bits that I saved
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is how making iOS devices and the watch kind of informed
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the making of this MacBook, and you see that not just in the lighter
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and thinner hardware,
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but also in the way the Force Touch was implemented.
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-Oh, man. That trackpad is the most notable thing
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about this product. You guys have used it.
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Tell me about it. -Yes.
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It freaked me out because I thought I was breaking it.
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Because basically when you touch it --
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Jason can explain this better
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because he has all the technical knowledge.
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But basically from my simple perspective
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of a not heavy Mac user,
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When you try the track pad, it doesn't physically move,
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but it feels like you're depressing,
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like you're going deep into the track pad.
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But actually it doesn't move, but with your finger,
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you feel like little steps
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when you apply different levels of pressure.
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But that's not actually going down
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with your finger physically into the machine.
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It's the haptic engine responding with feedback,
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and it responds by sideways, by moving the--
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- Yeah, it's crazy.
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So in fact, in the QuickTime demo,
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where you can actually have the different levels of fast forward,
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and they're all based on different gradations of touch,
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you can actually keep pushing harder.
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And as you push harder, every so often there's this little tick,
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like the whole track pad got a little bit,
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just ticked down a little lower, like it's ratcheting down.
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And then you push harder and it ticks again,
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and it feels like it's even lower.
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But in fact, none of that is happening.
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And the Taptic Engine, I don't want to say
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that when you click it, it doesn't move,
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because that's not true.
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When you click the track pad surface, it moves.
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But it doesn't move down
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because you physically pushed it down.
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It moves because the force sensors feel
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the force of your finger kick the Taptic Engine into life,
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and it does a shake that's actually side to side,
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not up and down, but you would never know.
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When you click, the first time I used it,
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I just moved the mouse, not even thinking,
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I just moved the mouse and clicked.
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And I thought, wait a second,
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it just clicks like a normal track pad.
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What's going on here?
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It's an illusion, but it's perfect.
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It's a perfect illusion.
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The difference being that it's all controlled by software.
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So you can change the sensitivity of clicks.
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You can have multiple clicks at multiple force points,
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like the QuickTime demo.
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- Developers will have first touch APIs
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for third-party apps.
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- Yeah, and so yeah,
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this force click idea is a new gesture
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that developers will be able to build in support for.
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That if you do sort of an extra hard click
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or you click and then push further,
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that something different happens than a normal click
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or a control click.
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- This is gonna be a feature of the iPhone 7, right?
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- Yeah, yeah.
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- You would think.
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- It makes sense.
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- It's permeating across everything now.
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It's like the new retina, you know?
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It's like it means different things in different products,
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but it's kind of there across all of them.
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If—unless this turns out to be a dead end,
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if this is a popular thing,
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and Apple seems to think it will be, yeah,
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it would be hard not to see that this will go to the iPhone
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and the iPad eventually, this idea that you can—
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you can have pressure sensitivity
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as a different way to do, you know, to do gestures.
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-I just want to be able to activate extensions
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with Force Touch.
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Just click down a link and it pops up the share sheet.
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-Wouldn't that be nice? -Yeah, that'd be cool.
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-See, now we're talking about iPads,
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because Federico's here.
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Oh, here we go.
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- JasonSlade401 in the chat room is interested
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to know how the keyboard feels.
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- Okay, so the keyboard, it's different.
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It is full-sized.
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The rumors that it was shrunken down seem to not be true.
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The keycaps are larger than on the old model,
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so there's less space between them.
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- It looks like the fonts in San Francisco.
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Am I right in thinking that?
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- No, I don't know that.
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I don't have one in front of me, so I can't tell you that.
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- The press shots do look different to me.
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Here's the thing that's the weirdest thing about it.
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Oh, and every key has an LED behind it.
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They're individually backlit, which I was wondering,
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is there a controller for that?
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Can you have it light up certain keys?
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Probably not, but wouldn't that be amazing if you could?
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I'll have it light up the key you're pressing at the moment
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and make a little--
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- Can you hook up your keyboard keys to IFTTT?
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Automate your lighting?
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- The, like a Christmas tree, except it's a keyboard.
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The field, there's very little key travel.
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So it takes some getting used to.
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And the people at Apple who were showing it off said,
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"Look, you know, it's weird to start,
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but you get used to it."
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And I want to --
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I was able to type really fast on it, like normal speed.
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I want to spend some time with it
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and get a better sense of it.
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My sense is that you don't think about your keyboard style
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when you're typing. It's just your style.
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But when you're confronted with a very different keyboard,
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you start to think about it.
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And I think when I was typing on the MacBook,
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What it reminded me is that on Apple's current keyboards,
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which are all exactly the same,
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and that's basically what I use,
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and the Logitech keyboard I use,
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it feels exactly like the Apple keyboards too.
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What I find is that I'm pressing down
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until my finger makes contact,
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and then I'm almost following through
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with an extra flick or press to push it all the way down.
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And when I started trying to do that on this new keyboard,
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what I found is I would do that touchdown,
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And then the further press didn't do anything
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'cause it was already down.
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It couldn't go down any further.
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And so then I started typing where I just said to myself,
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sort of like typing on an iPad screen,
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we joked about that with Federico,
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if you just tap and then you move on.
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Once your finger taps the key, the key is tapped.
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You just move on, you don't press it harder.
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Then my speed picked up dramatically.
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So I think some of it is just, you get used to it.
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Your muscle memory changes
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and you know when you type on this keyboard.
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I'm sure that people will be freaked out by it
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because people are always freaked out by keyboards.
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The last time Apple changed the keyboard,
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they were freaked out about it.
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Some people are very finicky with keyboards
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and so I'm sure some of them will be unhappy with it.
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I approached it with a lot of skepticism
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and I'm not sure I like it,
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but I was able to type it at perfectly fine speeds with it.
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And they're very proud of the fact
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that it's got this crazy butterfly switch
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and their little stainless steel thingy that you press
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and it doesn't wobble or anything like that.
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They're very proud of that stuff.
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Apple likes to talk about that stuff.
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But, you know, it doesn't feel cheap,
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but if you're somebody who really likes
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a lot of key travel on your keys,
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you will not be happy with it because it doesn't have a lot.
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And they're not doing a -- they have not yet --
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they cannot yet afford to put a Taptic Engine
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underneath each keyboard key --
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under each key that shakes an individual key when you press it
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and makes you think you push it down.
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But you know what? After feeling that trackpad today,
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that day is probably coming.
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No, seriously, Myke, the track pad is so weird at first.
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Like, what is going on?
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-It feels normal.
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It's when they tell you how it works
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that you realize that it's all a lie.
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-Basically, you try it,
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and you form this thought in your head.
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It's like, "Okay, I know how this works."
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And then they tell you, and you're like,
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"No, that's not true. You're lying to me."
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And that was my reaction.
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-I'm very interested to try this thing out now.
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- Yeah, so I mean, again, you can tell me
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what it feels like on the Apple Watch,
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but do you actually feel your finger going into it?
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It's just not like that, right?
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- Yeah, your brain feels your pressure
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that you're putting on the track pad,
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and it feels the movement of the track pad,
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which is the taptic engine.
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And, well, I can't speak for your brain, actually, Myke.
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My brain translates that as I just pressed it down
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and it went down, even though that's not what happened.
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It's pretty crazy.
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But again, if you didn't know and you were just using it,
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you would never think about it.
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Like I said, the very first time I clicked,
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I wasn't thinking about the fact that this was the new trackpad,
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and it clicked and it felt perfectly normal.
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Then I stopped myself and said, "Wait a second.
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They said there were new trackpads on these things."
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And then I kept looking at it and trying to see
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if it moved or not, and like I said, it does move.
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It just doesn't move because I --
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well, it does move because I pressed it.
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It doesn't move down because my finger is pushing it down.
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That's what doesn't happen.
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Instead, you give it pressure, and then it shakes itself
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to fool you into thinking you did it.
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It's weird, but it's good. It's really well done.
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-Yeah. -And because it's programmable,
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it can be, like Federico was saying in that QuickTime thing,
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you can program in five different stops
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at five different pressure points if you wanted to,
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and then it would feel like you were pushing through
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tick, tick, tick, tick, tick and pushing it down.
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- Yeah, actually in the demo that I tried on QuickTime,
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there was also a feature that basically
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you do the Force Touch and you can change,
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I think, the template of a QuickTime movie.
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So you get like an extra menu if you do the Force Touch
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instead of having to right click and choose a template.
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So you get all these new shortcuts and it's really cool.
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- QuickLook is gonna be,
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QuickLook in the Finder is like that
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where if you Force Touch on a file, QuickLook opens.
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And it can be implemented in any different app.
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They had a bunch of different examples.
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I think in Safari they've got it so that it does a dictionary definition or a Wikipedia
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lookup. It's basically all the Apple data detector stuff that they have. Those are all
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triggered by Force Touch now.
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It's going to be really good in Pro Apps, like as a way to bring up different tools
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and stuff like that. Like I'm thinking about Logic Pro and like...
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That it's like a control surface kind of thing.
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But on a MacBook Pro Apps.
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Yeah. Yeah, because it is like Intel Core M. It's not exactly the top of the line. It's
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a power sipping. It's a good processor, but it's, you know, it's, I don't know. We'll
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see. Well, they've put this into the 13-inch Retina MacBook Pro. Oh, that's true. They
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did. The 13-inch. So there you go. So you do your logic editing on the 13-inch Retina
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MacBook Pro with this trackpad. That's true. Good point. And I had a couple people say
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to me, I wonder if they'll revise the Magic Trackpad to have it do this too. I mean, it
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would be, you know, not that they need the space,
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but although it do— as a Magic Trackpad user,
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if you get it in the right place, you can't click.
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If you get it in certain locations on a desk
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that's got like an angle or a bump on it,
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it depresses itself, and then you kind of can't click on it.
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So it would be an interesting change to move—
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to eliminate that moving part,
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and instead have one that has force touch,
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which they seem to want in every product now.
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This is, I can't believe how much time
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we spent on the track pad, but it is really interesting.
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So I kind of have a little bit
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of a philosophical question about it.
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So, and this is going back to the movement in it, right?
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If it isn't moving, it's like if there's a tree in the woods,
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if it isn't moving, but your brain thinks it's moving,
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like it's tricking you into thinking it's moving,
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are you okay with that?
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'Cause I know that there will be people
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that just flat out won't be, but you two both,
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Like, does that feel okay to you?
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The fact that it feels this way,
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does it make a difference wherever it is or it doesn't?
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- I mean, the illusion is very strong.
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I mean, I just thought it felt really cool, you know?
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So I don't necessarily,
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I think based on my quick impression,
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I don't necessarily care whether it's true or not,
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as long as it's implemented really well.
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I guess, my perspective.
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I mean, it's done really well once you try it.
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- And they have a good reason for it,
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which is they're trying to minimize the space,
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the moving parts in this thing because it's so thin.
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- I still have more I wanna talk to you about
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about the MacBook.
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Who is this product for?
00:38:06
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That's a good question. - 'Cause that's what
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I'm struggling with with this.
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This is what my original feeling about
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when we heard about this product,
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is that what Apple is doing again
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is they are creating the archetype for the next 10 years,
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like they did with the original MacBook Air, right?
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So it's like this thing is not really for anybody right now.
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Like it doesn't, you know,
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this isn't a product that fits for people.
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- Yeah, it's, well, I mean, part of it is
00:38:36
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this is the future product,
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and part of it is this is for the person
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who wants the thinnest, lightest, coolest laptop,
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because it is that.
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And it's, you know, I wrote a piece on six colors about this,
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about before it came out when the rumors were out there
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that very much, you know,
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this is the spirit of the original MacBook Air.
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This is the, you know, compromises
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as thin and light as possible.
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We don't, you know, I'm not so concerned about power.
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I'm not so concerned about convenience of ports
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or anything like that.
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I just want a really cool, thin, light, small laptop,
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which now, you know, which has good battery life
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and a retina display.
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So it's for people who don't have all of the specific needs
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that some of us tech nerds have,
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but just want this really great laptop.
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It is, in fact, I would argue it's for the person
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who loves their iPad and also wants a laptop.
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-I was just about to say it's the iPad
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for people who want a Mac. -Yeah.
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-So you're going to get one then.
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-I need a Mac, Myke. I don't want a Mac.
00:39:31
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-Yeah, it does, but with the -- I mean, it has that feel.
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It is the laptop from the people who brought you the iPad.
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-Yeah. -And, you know,
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and I think there's an audience for that.
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the fact that this is not a $2,000 laptop either.
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It's decently priced, and I think over time,
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the MacBook Air will fade away
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or will just keep going kind of down in the market,
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but I think at some point, yeah, it'll fade away,
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and you'll be left with MacBook and MacBook Pro,
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and they'll both be Retina,
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and this will be the one that's thinner and lighter
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and less powerful, but that's okay
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because there's an audience for it.
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In the short term, it's a better question to ask
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because the Air is still out there
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and the Pro is still out there,
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But like with that original Air, it's very clear this is the future of this product line.
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Because the technologies that they show is the reason that only one USB
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connector is okay. They're kind of not really there. They're saying, "Oh, you can do everything
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with Bluetooth and Wi-Fi." Well, I guess, sure, not really though.
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They said that with the MacBook Air, whatever, five years ago too. They said the exact same.
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Steve Jobs made that same claim, "Well, you know, wireless is fine." And the fact is,
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you know, I've got three MacBook Airs in my house now.
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Yeah, but like if you think of some of the other stuff they took away, like it was the
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first machine to lose an optical drive, and that's totally fine now. Like, it's not a
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problem at all for like the majority of people. So, I mean, I just wonder, like, is it okay
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to take all the USB ports and Thunderbolt ports? Like, is Thunderbolt dead?
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I'm not feeling very good about it now.
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Because there isn't even an adapter, a USB-C to Thunderbolt adapter.
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Well, the MacBook Air got the upgrades to Thunderbolt 2.
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Yeah, got the upgrades to Thunderbolt 2, that's right.
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I don't know, I don't know.
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Or maybe they just think that it's not necessary.
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We'll see how the USB-C thing does too.
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Maybe is Apple going all in on this or is this just this one weird product?
00:41:34
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You know, that happens with Apple,
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where sometimes they do products and a year or two later,
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you realize that they've taken a couple steps.
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They say, "All right, that was a little too far.
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We went a little far."
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And this is the kind of product that that happens with,
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where sometimes they say, "Oh, okay.
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We should have kept FireWire on that MacBook Pro.
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We're sorry that we took it off."
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Things like that. And that might happen here,
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although there's not a lot of room for ports on it.
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-So, again, our friendly neighborhood Mac nerd,
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Mr. Stephen Hackett, is telling me,
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the Intel Core M doesn't support Thunderbolt,
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which is the chip, so maybe that's the problem.
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Maybe other devices would have both still.
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- Interesting.
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- But that kind of sucks.
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So there is an Ask Upgrade question,
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which we'll get to those later on.
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- Eventually, yeah.
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- But Katie Floyd asked, what do we do,
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what do us existing Thunderbolt display users do?
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Well, it kind of looks like nothing is probably the answer.
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You can't use this machine with that display,
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I would assume is the case.
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- That's right, I would assume.
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If the chipset doesn't support it,
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like no amount of adapters can help you.
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- So there you go.
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It's a weird,
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again, I have to keep coming back
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to the original MacBook Air.
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That was a weird product.
00:42:47
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That was non-standard in so many different ways.
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It didn't have firewire,
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the weird little door that came down.
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It didn't have an optical drive.
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It was a weird, one USB port.
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It was a weird computer.
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And this is like that.
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This is a weird computer.
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It's really, the things that make it cool
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also sort of make it weird.
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And if you're somebody who,
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I mean, there's this tendency, right,
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for you to say, well, it's not for me,
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so I don't like it.
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It's like, well, yeah, there is a whole range of people
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for whom this product is not for them.
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It's just, it's not for them.
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If you've got a Thunderbolt display,
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it's really not for you, 'cause it doesn't do Thunderbolt.
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But there are gonna be a whole lot of people
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for whom this is the right product.
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but it is not a product that's meant to appeal to everybody.
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And maybe it will be—
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like the MacBook Air has much broader appeal now.
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MacBook Air is sort of like the winner
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in the MacBook product line,
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but it started out as the weirdest of weird,
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overpriced, underpowered computers,
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and it took a long time for it to evolve from there.
00:43:49
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- Mr. Jason Snell, I think it's time for a break
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and we can switch topic.
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But for this lovely commercial break,
00:43:56
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could you please tell me about our friends over at Casper?
00:43:59
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- I would be happy to.
00:44:00
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Now the reason that I'm reading this ad
00:44:02
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is that I sleep every night on a Casper mattress.
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And so, and you do not, Myke, because you do not sleep,
00:44:08
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for you are not a human anymore.
00:44:10
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You are a vampire. - Sleep?
00:44:11
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I scoff at sleep.
00:44:14
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Casper's an online retailer of premium mattresses,
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and they cost a fraction of the price
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of most premium mattresses
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because they eliminate the middleman.
00:44:21
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These are, I think, Silicon Valley guys
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who have ended up saying they want to disrupt
00:44:27
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the mattress industry and get away from forcing consumers
00:44:32
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to pay notoriously high markups on mattresses.
00:44:35
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So it's this cool new kind of product.
00:44:39
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It's a hybrid mattress.
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It's got latex foam and memory foam combined.
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So you end up with the support of the memory foam
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and then this really soft comfy latex foam
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on the top of that.
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And it's just a comfy mattress.
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I have one at home.
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My old mattress, you'd sit down on it,
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and if there was somebody else, like I have a cat,
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the cat would be on the bed,
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and I'd sit down on the bed, and the cat would jump up,
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because it was like a trampoline.
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Like you sit down in one place,
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and everything else goes flying.
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This bed doesn't do that.
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It's just super soft and comfy, and I really like it.
00:45:09
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Mattresses can cost over $1,500.
00:45:12
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Casper mattresses cost between 500 for a twin,
00:45:15
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600 for a twin extra long, 750 full,
00:45:18
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850 queen, and 950 king.
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So they're really good prices.
00:45:21
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And you buy it online.
00:45:22
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this is one of those revolutionary things, you buy it online and it's risk-free. They
00:45:26
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will deliver a box to you in which will be a vacuum-packed Casper mattress. You open
00:45:31
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it up in the room where you're going to use it because then it expands upon getting the
00:45:36
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sweet, sweet air and then fills the room to its full size. And then you try it out. And
00:45:43
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if you don't like it, you can return it. It's a mattress you can return. There's a 100-day
00:45:46
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trial period. So if you don't like it, you don't have any risk of being stuck with a
00:45:50
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mattress you don't like, you can send it back. I've had mine more than 100 days now because
00:45:55
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I slept on it like two days and I said, "Yeah, we're keeping this mattress." And we like
00:45:58
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-- it was a big happy change to have this nice new mattress. If you -- you can go to
00:46:05
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a showroom and lay on a bed for four minutes, it will have no correlation on whether you're
00:46:08
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actually going to be comfortable sleeping on it. And so now you can have 100 days to
00:46:12
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try it out. It's made in America. They want to mention that too on top of everything else.
00:46:18
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not like the shifty countries like they have in the UK or Italy where there are untrustworthy
00:46:24
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people. And here's where you need to go to find out more. If you would like to join me
00:46:30
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in sleeping on a Casper mattress, you have to get your own. You can't sleep on my mattress.
00:46:34
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It's mine. Get your own. Go to casper.com/upgrade and use promo code upgrade. You can get $50
00:46:42
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toward any mattress purchase.
00:46:45
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So Casper, thank you for being a friend,
00:46:48
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for giving me a very comfy mattress to sleep on
00:46:50
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and for sponsoring Upgrade.
00:46:51
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- I would like to say on Casper's behalf
00:46:54
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that it's Jason Snell who thinks that people
00:46:56
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from the UK and Italy are untrustworthy.
00:46:58
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- Yes, that's true.
00:47:00
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I'm just playing to my audience here.
00:47:02
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We love you.
00:47:03
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I'm sorry that it's made in the USA.
00:47:07
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Maybe you can also get it in the UK, made in the USA.
00:47:11
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But it's comfy, I gotta say that.
00:47:13
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Bottom line, I really enjoy sleeping on that mattress.
00:47:16
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- Now, our lovely Italian friend,
00:47:20
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who gave me a minor heart attack about an hour ago.
00:47:24
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Yes, he has to get back on a plane
00:47:27
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so he can be home in time to record Connected.
00:47:30
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- Exactly. - Yes, that's the reason.
00:47:34
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- So we're gonna talk about the watch,
00:47:36
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but Federico, this is the first time
00:47:40
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you've put your hands on one of these babies. Do you want to give me a
00:47:45
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couple of minutes, like what are your first impressions of holding one of
00:47:48
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these things? Sure. My first thought, and I talk to other people and it seems to
00:47:57
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be a common impression, is how small it seems to be. I thought it would be much
00:48:02
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much bigger. Even I tried both the 38 and 42 millimeter versions and I thought it
00:48:08
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was going to be much bigger and it's actually pretty small, it's very compact.
00:48:15
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The idea that I got from those 10 minutes of demo, it's really compact and it feels,
00:48:23
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I tried the 42 version with the middle-laced loop on me and it felt great.
00:48:30
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I mean the loop itself was super smooth and like when you touch it, I mean it's all made
00:48:38
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of steel, I guess, but it's very soft and you can tell that it's been made in a very
00:48:45
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premium process. The watch is kind of different because there's all these bunch of gestures
00:48:52
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and the click wheel that you need to learn how to operate. It can be a little confusing
00:48:59
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at first. I got stuck myself a couple of times to navigate the home screen because it can
00:49:06
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be a little different to pan around and then you gotta click the
00:49:10
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click wheel to return to the watch face and then you gotta activate the
00:49:14
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glances. It can be a little different coming from the iPhone and iPad
00:49:17
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perspective because it's not the same iOS structure, the way that things are
00:49:22
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laid out and arranged on screen. I think based on the limited time
00:49:32
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that I had. It is going to be, and I'm talking personally, it is going to be
00:49:39
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useful for me when it comes to exercises, when it comes to tracking my daily
00:49:44
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physical activity and I cannot wait to see how developers will plug into these
00:49:50
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new features, you know, the heart rate, the activity monitoring and the way that
00:49:55
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you can use an iPhone app as a back end and sync specific subset of
00:50:01
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functionality and data back to the phone. What I tried was...
00:50:07
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I didn't get a demo of the communication features because I focused on the
00:50:12
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home screen, notifications and the fitness stuff. So it was really... I mean I
00:50:19
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guess I have big hands and big fingers, I don't know, but it felt really small to
00:50:24
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me even the the 42 version and so that was kind of off-putting
00:50:30
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I wasn't expecting that and touching the icons on the home screen is also quite
00:50:37
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strange because like the way that you pan around and zoom and use the click
00:50:42
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wheel it's kind of I don't know it felt different to me but I think also the
00:50:47
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sensor is super cool that you have in the back of the device. Apple
00:50:53
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People didn't let me exchange the band on my own.
00:50:57
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They told me they were taking care of changing the bands for me.
00:51:02
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Not sure why they didn't want me.
00:51:03
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I saw the bloggers saying that the Apple representatives didn't let them change the bands just yet.
00:51:12
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Probably because they don't want to see, you know, don't want to make people try the mechanism,
00:51:16
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I don't know.
00:51:17
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I saw a Panzarin tweet that he mentioned and he wrote about the port that's in there.
00:51:27
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He says that he was able to confirm that the ones that are in the demo unit still had that
00:51:31
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port in them.
00:51:33
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And he doesn't, maybe they've still got it in their diagnostics port and they'll be coming
00:51:38
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out in the shipping version so they didn't want you to see that maybe.
00:51:41
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That makes sense.
00:51:42
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So it was smaller than I was expecting.
00:51:45
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The screen looks gorgeous, very colourful, very high quality I guess.
00:51:51
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I'm really excited about the fitness features and getting reminders on my wrist when I'm
00:51:56
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walking or exercising in general.
00:51:59
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I think it'll be a big deal for people who want to keep track of these sort of things.
00:52:03
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But also I think for...
00:52:04
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So I couldn't get a demo of the communication features, but based on what I saw on stage
00:52:09
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it feels really intimate in the way that you talk to people and interact with close friends
00:52:15
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and family, I think it'll be an interesting addition to the iOS lineup.
00:52:22
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I think it'll be, I mean I still don't know, will I use my phone less, will I still use
00:52:29
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my iPhone just as much as I'm using it now, will I do some tasks on the watch.
00:52:35
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We were, I was talking to Jason at lunch and all these apps that are promising to do all
00:52:41
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the things that you can do on a phone now on a watch, I'm very skeptical of those kinds
00:52:47
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I do want to see apps that do only some stuff on the watch because it makes sense to put
00:52:53
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that kind of functionality on the watch.
00:52:56
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So we'll see.
00:52:57
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But yeah, from a hardware perspective, much smaller and the Milanese loop is super fashionable
00:53:04
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and really premium feeling overall.
00:53:09
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Thank you Federico.
00:53:10
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And thank you for joining us today.
00:53:13
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Thank you guys for having me.
00:53:16
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It's great to talk to you even though you've shortened my life expectancy a little bit.
00:53:23
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And I'm very happy that you were there and I'm very excited to talk to you on Connected
00:53:30
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About the experience and some of the things that you've gotten up to today, which I cannot
00:53:37
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wait to hear all these stories.
00:53:39
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I said it was a little bit like going beyond the set of a TV show or something.
00:53:43
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Federico said earlier today it's like seeing everybody from Twitter in person.
00:53:48
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Real life Twitter.
00:53:49
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It was weird.
00:53:52
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So Federico Vittucci, where can people, where can they find you?
00:53:56
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They've never heard from you before.
00:53:57
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Please not at the airport today.
00:53:59
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They wanted to do it yesterday.
00:54:00
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Don't come looking for him.
00:54:01
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Don't come looking for me, please.
00:54:02
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I'm super tired.
00:54:04
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They can find me on Twitter, V-I-T-I-C-C-I, that's @Vittici,
00:54:08
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and my website that I, I guess I run,
00:54:12
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with other people, that's maxsories.net,
00:54:15
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and that's the two places where you can find me.
00:54:18
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- And the connected podcast and virtual podcast.
00:54:20
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- Oh yeah, I'm sorry.
00:54:21
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I just take it for granted. - All the great shows.
00:54:23
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- All the great shows.
00:54:25
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- On Relay FM. - Yes.
00:54:27
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- Including this one now.
00:54:29
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You know, this is the first time that Federico and I
00:54:31
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have been on a podcast together.
00:54:33
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just together in general.
00:54:35
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- Well, that's true too,
00:54:36
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but I've been on the prompt and connected,
00:54:39
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but only when you weren't there.
00:54:40
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- That's right.
00:54:42
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That's right. - I know.
00:54:43
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So I had to get him to California to make it happen.
00:54:45
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- If you're not had him on Clockwise yet.
00:54:47
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- And, but you know, we haven't.
00:54:48
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Oh, we should do that.
00:54:50
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Oh, that's a good idea.
00:54:54
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We're, Clockwise is branching out.
00:54:55
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We have all these European people on Clockwise now.
00:54:57
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- Yeah, 'cause the time works very well for us.
00:54:59
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- 'Cause the time really works well for that.
00:55:01
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That's true.
00:55:01
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That's very true.
00:55:03
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No, this has been great. It's been a real treat.
00:55:06
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Everybody has been excited to meet Federico.
00:55:09
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I've been really enjoying the introductions where I say,
00:55:11
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"Oh, have you met Federico Medici?
00:55:13
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Here he is. He's really here."
00:55:14
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Jason has been super awesome.
00:55:16
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You have been super awesome with all your advice and messages,
00:55:21
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and everybody has been so kind.
00:55:23
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Well, don't forget my live blogging of your entire day
00:55:26
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that I have been completing.
00:55:28
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It was amazing. Everybody was super kind.
00:55:30
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And yeah, I had a great time here.
00:55:33
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And now I'll go back to Italy.
00:55:35
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Hopefully it'll be a smooth flight back.
00:55:37
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- You can take a nice long rest on the plane.
00:55:42
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- All right, well, so here's,
00:55:43
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this is the weird thing that's gonna happen.
00:55:44
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We are going to break, let Federico go,
00:55:48
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and then we will resume upgrade.
00:55:51
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And those of you listening on the podcast,
00:55:55
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we'll never know that there was a delay in between.
00:55:58
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Alright Myke, I'll see you on the other side.
00:56:01
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- Okay, so Federico is gone.
00:56:03
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- It was a pleasure having him.
00:56:06
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- It was, but he's gone now.
00:56:08
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He's gone to the airport and I've gone home
00:56:10
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and an upgrade continues.
00:56:13
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- It does, so we should talk about the watch then.
00:56:15
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So, this is, you know, everybody's seen the video before,
00:56:20
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but this is also your second time having a demo.
00:56:25
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I mean, my assumption is the demo
00:56:28
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that you've got yourself today
00:56:31
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has been more comprehensive than the demo
00:56:33
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that you had previously?
00:56:34
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- Well, it wasn't the don't touch.
00:56:37
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The previous demo was you could put a watch on your wrist
00:56:44
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that was running in a loop of like samples, no interaction.
00:56:49
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And then an Apple employee had one
00:56:53
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and they would go through a script
00:56:54
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of sort of, you could do this and you could do this.
00:56:57
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But it was very much like you couldn't get them off the path
00:56:59
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because there was stuff they just didn't want to show
00:57:01
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and that wasn't ready and that things would crash
00:57:03
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or break or whatever.
00:57:04
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This time when they put the watch on your wrist,
00:57:09
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they still told you what you could do, but you could do it.
00:57:14
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So it was a little more advanced.
00:57:17
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There are definitely further along than it was.
00:57:19
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So a little more sense of it.
00:57:21
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I mean, it was very similar to the,
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I've seen it before.
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So it was not new to me.
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I'm glad it's close, but it wasn't new.
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For somebody like Federico,
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who had never seen it in person,
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I think that was a really valuable thing.
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For the rest of us, we've sort of seen it before.
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It definitely is not, it looks bigger, I think.
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I think it's bigger in people's minds
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than it will be on their wrists.
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I guess I could put it that way.
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I think, and as somebody who's been wearing a pebble,
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it doesn't look that big.
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It's not that big.
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Even the big one is not a huge one.
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It's not big.
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And they're pretty.
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I was gonna say this when we were talking with Federico.
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Apple has for years now,
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since the big Bob Mansfield days, I think,
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Apple has prided itself on its metal work.
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They've had videos with Johnny Ive or with Bob Mansfield,
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where they talk about the enclosures of MacBooks
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and the unibody MacBooks and all that,
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Apple really thinks one of its key attributes
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that it has over its competition
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is its ability to really understand materials.
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And you see it in the two videos they showed in the event
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and the other one they put on the website
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about the materials that make up the watch.
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They're really proud of that.
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But at the same time, you feel it in the products.
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the materials they use on their products,
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on iPhones and iPads, on Macs,
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and especially on this new MacBook,
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and on the watch, they're extremely high quality,
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made extremely well.
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And the watch, you know, you wear it, you look at it,
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you can tell.
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This is, you know, not to bring a pebble again,
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but it's a nice product, but the hardware,
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you know, it's pedestrian hardware.
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It's fine, but Apple's playing a different game from Pebble,
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and you can see it.
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So the advantage of seeing that watch in person,
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not only do you get to gauge the size of it,
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but you get to look at the metal and how it's been built.
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And that's something, that's a skill that Apple has.
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We talk about the combination of hardware and software
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and their clever hardware design,
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but their materials and machining and all those things
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that go into that finished product,
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they're really good at that too.
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And the watch is a really great example of it,
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there's not a lot of hardware there so it needs to be really good and the watch
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looks and feels you know really good you can you can make some style judgments
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about it I know I've heard some people say that they think that the Apple watch
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looks ugly fair enough but it is made with it is purpose-built it is made with
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a lot of care and it is beautiful in that way I want to come back to this in
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a second I want to talk about those videos but I want to go back to the
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MacBook again talking about machining and we didn't really talk about this the
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things that they're doing inside of that computer it's like witchcraft like yeah
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like the logic board and the stuff they're doing a battery and the terrace
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the terrorist batteries right it's insane it is insane I had that thought
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of like how do you so then you need a battery replacement or something it's
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It's like, well, there's a custom, well, you go into the Apple store and there's a custom
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battery that they'll order or that they have on hand that they put in there, part seven
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that goes in that corner.
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But that's how you do it.
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This is the thing about Apple, is Apple is not a company that's taking stock parts off
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of a parts list and putting them together and saying, "Look, we made a computer."
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And in fact, Apple of today is not even playing the same game as Apple of five or ten years
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ago, where there's so much that they do that's original.
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And that allows them to push the categories that they're in forward.
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And it's amazing to see that that logic board on that MacBook is super tiny.
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I mean, there's nothing to it.
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It's a whole computer on this little tiny thing.
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And then I love what Apple said about it, what Phil Schiller said about it, which is,
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you know, what do we do with the rest of it?
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Fill it with batteries.
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What are we going to ship a product full of air?
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No, we want it full of battery.
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That was my favorite line.
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And it makes sense that you would, and they did.
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To the greatest degree possible, every other space in that entire thing is just battery.
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So back to the watches.
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girlfriend arrived home I was watching I was watching the the event on like on
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like the TV that I use for the Mac Pro. Oh right. And so it was nice to watch
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the videos that they were showing especially because they just started
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showing like the way you know the sort of the vignettes that they have for each
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material and they only showed the steel and aluminum videos I believe and she
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kind of came in and she's just watching it I was like the level of care they put
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in CDC videos, nobody else will do this.
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- We were talking about that at lunch.
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I think I had that thought while I was watching them
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that I wonder who they hire to direct those
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because that looked to me like world-class A-level
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like commercial director or maybe documentary director.
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But that is not like industrial films
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that they show in high schools.
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That was like filmmaking.
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the shots of the metalwork and stuff were artful and beautiful, which is crazy. That's a crazy
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level of detail. It's totally unnecessary. Totally unnecessary, but amazing. -The Ive piece
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in the New Yorker suggested that they were doing the previous watch videos in-house. Do you think
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that there's a chance that there's maybe somebody who works in the design team now whose job it is
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to make these videos and they've hired a filmmaker?
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- I don't know.
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I don't know if it is.
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It felt much more like a, much more stylish than,
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but this wasn't the Johnny Ive
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sits in a white room kind of video.
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It was a different kind of video.
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And if that's an in-house person, then yeah,
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I think that person or the people who built this
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are very talented because that's what it felt like to me.
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I noticed how good it looked
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and how it really didn't need to look that good
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and be that attractive.
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and I thought, you know, this is the kind of thing where they hire an A-list commercial
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director or a photographer or somebody who also does commercials, somebody who is just
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really talented at this sort of thing. Because it was, yeah, it was much more artful and
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beautiful piece of work than a thing about the metal that goes into a watch ever needs
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David: Johnny's role in these product introduction videos seems to be increasing.
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- Yeah, I think they've decided that he is the narrator
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of the product creation experience at Apple,
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really for lack of a better way to phrase it.
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That if you're creating this,
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I always used to say that Steve Jobs
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was doing like technological advancement
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live on stage as a stage show, which is not true,
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but that was like how you felt in a Steve Jobs keynote
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was like, and we just invented this thing and here it is,
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which is, you know, the work of doing that is long
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and boring and to make it exciting,
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you need that showmanship.
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I think that maybe the Johnny Ive videos
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are like a different version of that.
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They don't have Steve anymore, but they've got Johnny Ive.
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And he is, doesn't want to be live on stage,
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but he's pretty good at doing those videos.
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And it captures some of that mystique.
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It captures some of that only Apple kind of approach,
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as well as telling a story about a way
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that they're very different.
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So I think it's an interesting way
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to spin that same idea, that you're trying to communicate
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these things that are probably not gonna be interesting
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in some other format, and how do you make them more exciting?
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And one of the ways is you have these,
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you built this visual language
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for these white room kind of videos,
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and you've got Johnny Ive narrating it,
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and he brings some weight to it as the,
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Mr. Design Genius tells you why this product is awesome.
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I mean, that's a good, that's good for Apple
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to have that kind of thing that it can play.
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So I do think they're kind of coming into their own
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as a standard way where Johnny will explain
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the thinking behind the product and why,
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and it's always too, why we put so much extra work into it.
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We reinvented keyboards so that we can make the keyboard
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in the MacBook with this stainless steel thing here
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and this butterfly thing here.
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I mean, Apple loves telling those kinds of stories
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And the Jonathan Ive videos are a very good way
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to tell the stories, I think.
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- Yeah, like they mentioned in the MacBook introduction,
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they spoke about it a little bit,
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I can't remember the exact words,
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but just about the amount of invention
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that has to occur for a product like this to exist.
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Like every piece has to be reinvented.
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Like that's how you create something like that.
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- Yeah, yeah.
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And not many companies doing that right now.
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And Apple knows it.
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And Apple knows that that's how they're different,
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is by having these things, not just the, like I said,
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this loving, you know, material science kind of stuff
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that they do.
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Also the things like the custom logic boards
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and things like that.
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I mean, that's what makes Apple, Apple.
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- Yeah, 'cause like why would you?
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- Why would you do that?
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But they do.
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- Because you're never satisfied
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and you wanna make it, you know,
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that much thinner or that much better.
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And I love that Apple's got that drive.
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That will, you know, when I was ranting earlier
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about the new MacBook is not for a lot of people,
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and it may be pushing it a little too far
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like the original MacBook Air.
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That's true, but that's a side effect
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of being unsatisfied with things the way they are
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and always trying to push forward,
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which is something I really admire
01:07:36
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about Apple's approach to product design,
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that they are always trying to do that crazy next thing,
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and they're never really satisfied with where they are.
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And sometimes, yeah, that leads to kind of weird,
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crazy products, but it also drives them to innovate, and that's the stuff that
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pushes not only their products forward, but a lot of times is influential in
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pushing the whole, you know, whatever category it is forward. It's like a
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relentless march forward, like it's just part of that, right? That's what it is
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that drives them to do this. They just will keep, keep pushing, keep pushing, keep
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pushing. Yeah. Did you find out, or have you come across any additional
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information about the watch that has intrigued you in any way?
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Oh, uh, the thing that intrigued me the most
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is probably the price because I really had
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talked myself into thinking that the Apple Watch
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collection also I- I'll pause for a moment to say I laughed when they
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said, uh, when Tim Cook described the formation of these three different
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product lines as "curation". We curated the watch into these
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different lines. Really? Curated is the word you're looking for there? I guess that
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means we pick what bands go with what watches?
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It was just such the wrong word. Like, yeah, it was like, oh, there were all these
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watches that existed in the world and then we brought them together and got
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rid of the ones we didn't like. No, no, no, no, they're all yours. You make them all.
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It's a very peculiar word and I think it's because they've kind of boxed
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themselves into a corner of the words they can use by taking the word "edition"
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and then also by calling them, calling one of the collections "Apple Watch". Like
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I feel like that they've ended up with the naming that they've chosen they've
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put themselves where it actually makes it very difficult to describe what's
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what. I think that's, they kind of found themselves in this weird naming
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problem. But so tell me what you think about the pricing then. So I was really
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happy that the Apple Watch was less than I thought.
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But then I walked into the demo room and I looked at them
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and I thought, you know, the Apple Watch blank,
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the stainless steel one, it's this shiny stainless steel.
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It reminds me of a back of an iPod, the early iPods,
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you know, those shiny stainless steel backs
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where they get covered in fingerprints and stuff.
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And then I looked at the amortized aluminum
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that's got as the materials video said, a satin finish,
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aluminum with a satin finish.
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And I thought, I actually liked that better.
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So now I don't know.
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Now I kind of think the sport looks better.
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Although the space black of the Apple Watch,
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nameless, looks pretty slick too.
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So I don't know.
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I don't like that rubber band,
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which, you know, fluoro elastomer, fluoro elastomer.
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I don't like that one, so I don't know what I'm gonna do.
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But I like that the middle one is cheaper,
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and I'm just not sure if I want a shiny,
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stainless steel watch.
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- So this might be something you're not yet aware of,
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but there are a whole selection of straps
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that you can buy on the Apple Store.
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They're basically selling them all.
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- They are selling them all.
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"Oh, that's good." Well, that was what I was saying,
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and people were doubting me and thinking.
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I had people asking, like, "Oh, Apple will just make them
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that they're not compatible or something like that."
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I can't see that. I can't see that happening.
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- Yeah, so basically what they have is
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there are certain SKUs that you can buy.
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Like, for example, with the Spult,
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you can only pick up the fluoroelastomer bands,
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but they have a selection on the store,
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and it's got all the bands there, and you click through,
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and it doesn't tell you that they can only be used
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certain watches. So the just the perceived notion is that you can use it
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and I've seen people, some journalists and people tweeting that they have they
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had they confirmed with Apple that you can use any strap on any watch.
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Yeah, which I think...
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The ones that are missing here are there's none of the
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edition ones which you know also makes sense.
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Right, right which actually is the way
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that they described it on stage was these are special limited edition watches with special
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super high quality materials. Although the Milenase Loop, I was impressed that you can just go ahead
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and buy that. I mean it's 150 bucks but that's what you got to do. I think right now if I were
01:12:28
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gonna say I'm placing an order I would probably place an order for the sport
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with with a leather band but I don't that I would add on but I don't know
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which leather band probably the black classic the classic buckle I think so
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yeah I have a lot more looking at these pages to go before before I'm even
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nearly at the point where I have any idea what I'm ordering yet.
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Nearly every watch that I own is or have ever owned has had a
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since I had a Casio keyboard or Casio calculator watch with a plastic strap
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since then they've pretty much all been black leather or
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it in the case of one it was brown leather strap
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but that was that was always sort of like that that meant watch to me
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and in fact my dad my dad gave me his Rolex
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and it came with this metal link band and I just, I hate metal link bands, so I actually have a
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leather band for that, even though I'm sure that the right thing to do would be to pay hundreds and
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hundreds of dollars to fix the broken links in the metal band, but I would never wear it because
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I hate wearing watches with metal bands, so we'll see. I'm looking forward to it, but that's good. I
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think it would have been crazy for Apple to sort of say, "We're only selling certain bands with
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certain models. I get the curation part of it, pardon the expression of like, "Well,
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the sport edition comes with a sport band, period. We're not gonna make it more complicated
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than that, and if you want to buy another band, go buy another band, but we're not gonna
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have you build to order your watch with 80 different band choices, because that's too
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crazy." So, fair enough.
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So, battery life. This is, we have more information on battery life, well we have some information
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where previously we had none. What's your take on the battery life?
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Well, they had to do a day. So I wrote two things after we talked last week, I wrote
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two things on the Apple Watch, one for Macworld and one for iMore. And on the iMore one, which
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my list of like things that the Apple Watch needs to do. One of them was, it needs to
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last all day. Doesn't need to last two days, but it needs to last all day. And they said
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18 hours, which should be enough for most people, I think Tim Cook said. And 18 hours,
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how do you get that number? I'm sure they've got some sort of algorithm that they use,
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some sort of testing suite that they use, which is it's for every hour, it's this much
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of this and this much of that. And, you know, just like trying to emulate, probably based
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on actual user data what the average day is for an average Apple Watch user. They've got
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a lot of user data now. If they've truly got a thousand people at Apple wearing these things,
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they've got a lot of user data.
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I can tell you actually what they think it is.
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Oh yeah? Okay.
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Because they've got a page as an apple.com/watch/battery page.
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We make a great team. The guy who's looking at all the web pages and the guy who just
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went to the event and doesn't know anything about what's on the internet. This is perfect.
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This is the reason why I turned down all the invitations that I get.
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Yes, I can be here with my finger on the pulse. You're needed.
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All day battery life up to 18 hours. Testing conducted by Apple in March of
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2015 using pre-production Apple Watch and software paired with an iPhone using pre-production software.
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All day battery life is based on 18 hours with the following use. 90 time checks, 90 notifications,
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45 minutes of app use and a 30 minute workout with music playback from Apple Watch via Bluetooth
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over the course of 18 hours.
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Battery life varies by use, configuration,
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and many other factors.
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Actual results may vary.
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- I think that's pretty good.
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I think that's pretty good.
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- And then they have a couple of other things,
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like how much talk time you can get,
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how much audio, how much watch.
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And one of the things that I find really interesting,
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or two things actually, sorry, charge time.
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It takes about one and a half hours to charge it to 80%,
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and two and a half hours to 100%,
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which I think they're pretty fair.
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I mean, if it-- - I agree.
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- I have no problem with it taking an hour and a half
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to charge at 80%, like that's great.
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You just sit it down. - Clearly the use case
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is you go to bed and you take it off and charge it.
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That's the use case and that makes sense.
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- The 42 millimeter typically experiences
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longer battery life, it's on the page as well.
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- Yeah, I think, and so I think they made it.
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We'll see whether those models really match reality, but I bet you they're pretty close.
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I bet they have a pretty good idea of this and how it gets used.
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And that's good because it doesn't need to last all day.
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Your watch cannot die because it's four in the afternoon.
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No, it cannot do that.
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So they have to make it that way or that product's a failure if it doesn't last all day.
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So I think they made it last all day.
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I think that's great.
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I think that's great to hear.
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And who knows what kind of things?
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Well, we may find out what kind of things they've done in the software
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in order to get it to work like that, but they had to do it.
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That's a number they had to hit. It had to last all day.
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- My personal history with Apple battery estimation has always been good,
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so I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt
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and say that I'm going to believe this.
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Yeah, those numbers are real. I actually, I don't know if he worked on this one or not, but
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I'll put it this way. People I have worked with in the past who worked at Macworld and MacUser in the
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labs now work at Apple, and this is what they do, is they do product testing. But instead of
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publishing the results on a website, they come up with what the tests are and they do the methodology
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and they come up with the numbers and that helps inform how they market the battery life
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and other things. And I don't know, literally don't know anything about what they've done
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since they've gone on the inside, but I do know that there are a whole bunch of people who used to
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do public tests for magazines and websites like Macworld and Macuser back in the day are now doing
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that at Apple. These are professionals. They know what they're doing. These numbers, Apple is always
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going to pick the numbers that reflect best on them, but they are not, Apple is not motivated to
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make up bogus tests that are not matching the real world. And actually, for the last
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few years, that's absolutely been the case, that Apple tries to pick fairly realistic
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— again, reflecting positively on Apple, of course they're going to do that — but
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fairly realistic tests of real world usage, so that they don't want to get in that game
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where they claim that there's 15 hours of battery life, but that it turns out that everybody
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knows it's only four. They try to avoid that, and they've done a pretty good job of making
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their tests more realistic than they used to be. I did have a little gripe that
01:19:23
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I just wanted to mention which is not with Apple it's with people. So Apple
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said that all day battery life for the watch is 18 hours and they said that the
01:19:34
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the new MacBook gets 10 hours of battery life and that's also they called it all
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day battery life. Yes. And I've seen people say like oh how's that the same
01:19:43
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two definitions of all day. I was like no it's all day for what you use them for.
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for like a watch all day is whenever I'm awake.
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A laptop is whenever I'm using a laptop,
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which shouldn't be for every hour I'm awake.
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- When I'm walking somewhere, I am not using my laptop,
01:20:00
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but I don't take off my watch at any point during the day.
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So they're different and yeah,
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you use your laptop in a very different way
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than you use your watch.
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You gotta get people to the end of the day, right?
01:20:13
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That's the, I mean, really your feet hit the floor
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in the morning and you may be okay, you step out of the shower in the morning,
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you get dressed and you put on your watch.
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That should be the start of the clock.
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And the end of the clock is it's the end of the day and you take off your
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watch and click it into the little charger and then go to bed.
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Can you make it from start to finish and Apple that's Apple's challenge.
01:20:33
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And, uh, you know, they seem to think that they made it.
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Um, availability.
01:20:40
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So it seems that we're going to be getting pre-orders on April 10th with
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availability on April 24th. The UK is included which is great news so I'll be
01:20:53
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I'll be pre-ordering. And there's also going to be select Apple stores.
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And I have seen, and I saw this fly by a couple of times on Twitter today,
01:21:04
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I do not have a clarification on it just yet, that in the UK, in London, they
01:21:12
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will be having the Apple Watch in the Selfridges department store as well so
01:21:18
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you'll be able to go in and see them in person. Now I need to get that confirmed
01:21:23
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but that would be very interesting if that was the case considering there are
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two of the world's flagship stores and one of them is just a stone throwaway
01:21:34
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but it would make sense because Selfridges is a world known department
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store so it would be very sensible I think because as well the incredible
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luxury so the way that I expect it to be is the additions are there and the other
01:21:47
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the regular stores have the the other models what I going back to the
01:21:54
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availability a little bit about the addition they said select Apple stores
01:21:58
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limited edition I think Apple have answered the question of store redesign
01:22:02
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there ain't gonna be one yeah I mean maybe there will be but it's not about
01:22:06
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this. I think that's the way to do it. They don't need to redesign the stores because
01:22:10
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they'll just, for the stores that have them, they'll just have a room in the back that
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you go to by appointment like it's whatever. Yeah in the special stores. Yeah I think that's
01:22:20
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right and I wouldn't surprise me if one day they're in, the additions are in high-end,
01:22:26
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you know specific high-end jewelry stores or department stores, but Apple retail is
01:22:31
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in lots of places and they're in the places where there's the most money so starting there
01:22:35
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seems like a good idea. Yeah so we'll, I like what they're also going to do is
01:22:41
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they're gonna have demo units from the 10th. This is the way it should be. I
01:22:45
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think this makes a lot of sense for this product, is there'll be a pre-ordering
01:22:49
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process and then a buying process and in between the two of them you'll be able
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to go and try them on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The pre-order, well the pre-order is
01:22:59
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April 10th right? And that's when the try-on I think starts around then too.
01:23:04
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But yeah, it's a good, it's trying, the try-on thing is good. That's gonna be, it's gonna be new for Apple to do that.
01:23:09
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But you've got to do that.
01:23:10
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You've got to get it on people's wrists and have them understand it before they put the money down for that.
01:23:15
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They showed the table, right? Which is very similar to the table I think you've seen.
01:23:19
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Yeah, it's the, it's the same table. They had it again today.
01:23:22
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Although, you know, they had it with glass over it. But and then we saw that table at a, at a,
01:23:30
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the event six months ago too. They are gonna be swamped. Just it's gonna be a nightmare in the stores.
01:23:38
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That's a good problem for Apple to have I think. Yeah so I'm hoping that they'll do
01:23:43
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pre-order for in-store pickup that's what I that that would be my my dream
01:23:47
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scenario there. I have found with with Apple products delivery to be lacking in
01:23:55
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some instances. I've had many problems in the past with things not getting delivered
01:23:59
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because of demand on launch days and in courier companies just stop working at
01:24:04
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some points in the day. You're lucky though, I don't think we
01:24:09
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mentioned this earlier, you are one, unlike Federico, you are one of the nine
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countries that will be getting the watch on day one. Yeah, I would have been
01:24:17
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surprised if it would have been outside of the US. It wasn't my concern that if
01:24:24
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if it was outside of the US would the UK be one? My concern was would it be outside of the US?
01:24:30
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Right, right. But I was surprised that nine countries are getting it on day one and not just the US.
01:24:35
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So that was something.
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Because the UK has been part of the launch countries for a long time.
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Or at least, you know, of the second round,
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always in that one with the first round just being US and Canada or whatever.
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So I'm yeah, I'm very I'm very happy that we're getting it
01:24:55
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Yeah, that makes me makes me smile because that sucks to wait it's yeah, whatever it just it does
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Now we have some ask upgrade
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Do you have any more thoughts about the design or overall about the Apple watch?
01:25:19
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and what were your overall impressions
01:25:21
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of how this keynote played out?
01:25:23
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- I have my, let's see.
01:25:29
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My only other thoughts about the design of the Apple Watch
01:25:32
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is I'm interested in the fact
01:25:37
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that there are these very specific bands
01:25:44
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that they've created, and I'm not enough of a watch person
01:25:48
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to have had the experience with lots and lots of bands.
01:25:50
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Like I said, a traditional leather band
01:25:53
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is about all I have used.
01:25:55
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I'm struck by the fact that they all seem to have
01:25:58
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clever ways of clasping.
01:26:00
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And I suppose you get used to it,
01:26:04
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but I had that moment where I thought to myself,
01:26:07
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"Oh, the Apple Watch isn't good enough
01:26:09
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to just have a regular band
01:26:11
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that everybody knows how to use."
01:26:14
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They are all a little bit clever.
01:26:16
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And that's fine.
01:26:17
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Maybe I will figure that out.
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But like even the sport band, I'm like, you know,
01:26:21
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you gotta kinda figure out which hole
01:26:23
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there's the little thing and you push the little thing
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into the hole and I don't know.
01:26:27
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It just seemed kind of complicated to me.
01:26:29
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And I thought that was kind of funny.
01:26:30
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And it's like, I get that they're trying to make these
01:26:33
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a special experience, but I think it takes
01:26:36
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a little getting used to.
01:26:38
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So every time I've had one of these Apple watches on,
01:26:40
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it's been like a, like I have the Apple person,
01:26:43
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they apply the watch to my wrist.
01:26:46
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I thought, is this weird that none of us,
01:26:50
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or at least me and I think some of the people around me,
01:26:54
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couldn't put it on ourselves?
01:26:56
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That it's odd enough that we had to have the expert
01:27:00
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who's been trained in putting on our watch band
01:27:03
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do that for us?
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I don't know.
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They're different than what I'm used to,
01:27:09
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so it's gonna take some getting used to.
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And the only other thing I would say is,
01:27:13
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like I said earlier,
01:27:14
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The stainless steel is really shiny.
01:27:20
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The stainless steel space black is shiny black,
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whereas the sport is that anodized aluminum,
01:27:27
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so it's a satin finish and it's more matte.
01:27:31
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And I like that.
01:27:33
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And it makes me interested in that one,
01:27:37
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which surprised me a little bit
01:27:40
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'cause I was thinking much more about the stainless.
01:27:42
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The stainless is really beautiful too.
01:27:44
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They all look, they look great.
01:27:45
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They do definitely look beautifully manufactured.
01:27:48
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And I think that Apple has worked hard
01:27:50
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to make this a super high quality product
01:27:55
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in terms of the manufacturing.
01:27:56
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We heard, by the way, mailbagging is,
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good friend indeed. Okay, Mr. Jason Snow. Let's try and knock through some of these.
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Mr. iMichael. I guess these are some of the answers to these questions are like I guess
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it's gonna be what do we think rather than what do we know. Will HBO Go continue with
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HBO Now around? Yes, they may be similar or the same but HBO Go is for subscribers to
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HBO, and HBO Now is this over-the-top service. So I assume that they will be—that there's
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sort of like, you can subscribe to HBO or you can subscribe to HBO Now, and HBO subscribers
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also get HBO Go with it. You know, are there gonna be two different icons? I don't know.
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Maybe? Maybe not. I don't know that part, but I feel like there's a differentiator there
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between HBO Go, which is the mobile service for people who are buying the television subscription,
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and then HBO Now is the unbundled, just HBO streaming. That's my guess.
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That was from Brian. Rob asks, "Why no new Apple TV?"
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We got a lot of old Apple TVs to move. We're going to cut the price and sell those out,
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and then we'll make a new Apple TV later. That's my guess, is that there will probably
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be a new Apple TV, a new interface, and that's coming, but whether it's because they've got
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a lot of stock or whether because it's just not ready yet. I think the 69 whatever is
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a 69 price point for the niche for the old Apple TV. I mean that kind of makes sense.
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There are huge margins on that they can sell that because it's so it's been around so long
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the margins have got to be pretty good and yeah they really need to be a new Apple TV
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but not yet not yet maybe maybe soon it's a if I were Tim Cook I really wish that I
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had made an Apple TV announcement today that was not just HBO and maybe I would be unhappy
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with the person who was in charge of getting that new Apple TV out the door, or maybe not,
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but they desperately need one, I think, just because they're falling behind their competitors.
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But now they've got HBO on their side, so that's something.
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Oh, Joe Steele asked a question.
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Yeah, it's similar.
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Like, are there any hardware changes to the TV at all?
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Not my understanding, but I don't know any details, but it seems to me that it's just
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whatever the last rev.
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I mean, they've done a lot of stealth updates to that thing that are incredibly minor, but
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yes, it is a two-plus-year-old box discounted to $69, and, you know, with any luck, they'll
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introduce a new one and that one will fade away.
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Okay, and then let's move on to the MacBook.
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Jason asks, this isn't you, this is somebody else.
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Why won't Apple go 2mm thicker and add a cellular modem to the 0.92kg ultra ultra portable?
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Now I think Apple answered this themselves, but why do you think this is?
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I think tethering is built into Mac OS and iOS and if you want to use cellular you are
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going to use it attached to your phone or your iPad and so they're not going to bother
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and they've never bothered.
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And now they need to bother even less
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because of the features they added in Yosemite.
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So I think it's that simple.
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They don't, it adds complexity, it takes up space.
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They must have some research that shows
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that most people don't use it.
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And that if people wanted to,
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who opt for that on PCs, let's say,
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or don't want it.
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And the feature's there to connect pretty easily
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to your phone or your iPad to get on cellular.
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So I just think it's not a priority for them.
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They think there are perfectly fine other options
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that don't require them to engineer a space
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for a cellular modem.
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- Yeah, they literally said it.
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Like, at one point they were like,
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"You can just use the tethering."
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It's like, well, that's why.
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They built it into the OS.
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Like, why add it?
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It's not needed.
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- Absolutely.
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And it's much easier.
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And it used to be more complicated,
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but now, yeah, it's fine.
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- Look, I understand that not everybody has a tethering.
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as an iPhone or an iPad, but it's gotta be
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a small percentage at this point, I think.
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- Yeah, it's not their priority to provide cellular data
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for laptop users who don't have another device
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that can give them cellular data.
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I just, I totally see it now.
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I would have really liked for there to be a cellular option
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on MacBooks at some point, but I've got a cellular iPad
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and with a free T-Mobile plan
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that gives me a little bit of data every month
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and I never use it.
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I just never use it, 'cause I've got it on my phone.
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- Right, so what else do we have here?
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- Yes, John Voorhees wants to know,
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"What does the new MacBook mean for Thunderbolt?"
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I guess we kind of spoke about this a little bit earlier.
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- We talked about that a little bit,
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that it seems like that Intel reference board
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doesn't support Thunderbolt.
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I don't know if it means anything.
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I think it's not a great sign that Apple is embracing USB-C,
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but I feel like Thunderbolt may still be kicking around
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in lots of other systems because it's versatile.
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But if Apple finds that USB-C is this versatile and good,
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then it might decide that it doesn't need Thunderbolt
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anymore, that could happen.
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I don't think it's a good sign.
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I don't think it's a sign of Apple's complete abandonment,
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but I don't think it's a good sign that Apple is going down that path with anything. But
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we'll see. We'll see.
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And then John asks about the gold. Does the gold look... John doesn't think it looks good.
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What do you think?
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Yeah, his question was, is it as ugly as it seems in photos? And the answer is, I haven't
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seen any photos of it. I've only seen it in person. So I'm going to say no, because I
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think it looks pretty.
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Cool. Would you buy one?
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Would I buy a gold MacBook?
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I'm more of a space grey guy, although I do like the gold MacBook, but I'm more of a space grey.
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I think I would go with the space grey MacBook.
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Now we have Aaron. Aaron, what do you think of the MacBook naming?
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It seems more high-end than the MacBooks of recent history.
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Right. I think this is a repositioning of the MacBook name.
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I think if you look out two, three years, we're going to have the MacBook and the MacBook Pro.
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And that's it.
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MacBook Air will fade into history at some point.
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- I feel like Apple have never gotten over
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taking the PowerBook name away.
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- Yeah, Steve Jobs was tired of power.
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(both laughing)
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He didn't wanna talk about power anymore.
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And it's fine.
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It's fine, I've gotten used to MacBook.
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But I think I liked the MacBook with no adjective name
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and I'm kinda glad it's back.
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And I think they're all thin and light
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and the Air thing doesn't need to kick around anymore
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on, I'm actually surprised it's on the iPad too,
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but I don't think it needs to kick around
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in this product line in the long term.
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So I think it's fine to restate that this is a,
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you know, I know there's a generation of people
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who think of Mac book as the cheap plastic laptop,
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but you know, Apple shown that they're not afraid
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to redefine the names of stuff that they've,
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of old products and reuse them.
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And I think it's fine.
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I like that it doesn't have another cutesy suffix.
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I'm happy for it to just be the MacBook.
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- Yeah, I think it's just they're gonna get rid
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of the MacBook Air again.
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- Sure, in a couple of years.
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I don't know, today it may have gone away, I don't know,
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but last time I checked the 13-inch non-retina MacBook Pro
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was still on the price list.
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So these things tend to stick around for a while,
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and like I said, the conventional wisdom
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as the margins get better and better,
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the longer those products are out there.
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And that's their low price laptop right now.
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That's the one that they can sell for under $1,000.
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So they'll keep selling it for under $1,000
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and it may stick around for longer than we expect.
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But as a non-retina system,
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it suddenly looks like the low end
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and it's priced to match it.
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- Joe on Twitter has asked,
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how can we charge and use something via USB at the same time on the new MacBook?
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Now, if you buy one of those fancy, extremely expensive USB things, you can use that. I just
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wondered if maybe you had heard or seen anything different, but I assume not.
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Get a hub. I think there are going to be some... Apple's got the one. I think there'll be some
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other really interesting things eventually out there that will be other options for people,
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and you'll be able to pick sort of what works for you, and apples will probably be the most
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basic, which is, you know, USB and video out. But that's it. There's no other way to do
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it. You can't charge and use something via USB at the same time without getting an accessory.
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Pretty crazy.
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David on Twitter. Where am I going to get MacBook benchmarks without MacWorld Labs?
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- It's a good question.
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Macworld will probably test systems.
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They might not, you know, they won't use speed mark,
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but they'll probably use some benchmarks
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and run some tests.
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I will test everything that I get,
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but I don't know what I'm gonna get.
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I don't know if I'm gonna get new MacBooks.
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I don't know if I'm gonna get, you know,
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I don't know what I'm gonna get
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in terms of reviews from Apple,
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but I know Macworld likes to get review units.
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I'm not sure whether they've got the budget anymore
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to do what we used to do in Macworld,
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which is buy all the units that Apple couldn't get us ones of.
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So, you know, Apple would say,
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"We'll get you one of each of these two,
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but there are three other SKUs out there
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that we can't get you. We just buy those."
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And I don't know if they have the budget for that anymore.
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So we will see.
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But I'm sure Macworld will do reviews of some of these systems
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and we'll test them.
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And, you know, I ran tests on the 5K iMac,
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and will do so any other MacBooks or other Macs
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that I review on Six Colors, I will run some tests
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and compare them.
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But it's not like the good old days, I think, anymore.
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But there will still be people out there
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running tests on this stuff.
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- Now we have some, to round off the episode today,
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some Apple Watch- - All right.
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- Related ask upgrade.
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This comes from Jeff.
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Does the Milanese loop puller arm hairs?
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- Ah, I wish we had gotten this when Federico was here.
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I don't know, and I am curious about this too.
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Federico said it was really soft
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and a little more like fabric than metal.
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This would be my question too, 'cause it looks great.
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But, and I alluded to this earlier,
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the reason I don't like metal link watch bands
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is that they pull all my arm hairs out
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and it hurts and it sucks and it snags on them
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and it's just crappy.
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So I can't wear them, I just can't.
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If this doesn't do that, then, you know,
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certainly very attractive, then I would be interested.
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So I'm gonna have to try one on and see,
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but I don't know for sure.
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My guess is that maybe not, because it's woven.
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So it's much more like fabric
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than the kind of metal bracelets that you think of,
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but I don't know for sure.
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- I bet it still would though.
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- Honestly, I think it still would.
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- Probably, I don't know.
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I'll have to see.
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That's why I'm going leather.
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basically it's gonna be infinitely more than leather does, you know?
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How much it does. It goes from
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Oz to Mia on Twitter. I've got a couple here. Do you have any details about water resistance anything additional?
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A bunch of us overheard Tim Cook in the area after the event talking to somebody who asked about
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Waterproof and he said you can take a shower with it. You could probably swim with it. Just don't take a diving
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So I think it's gonna be that I think it's gonna be like you see on a lot of these products
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I think the pebble is like this too that that what they're saying is, you know, whatever five meters or something like that
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There's some there's some qualification that basically means you could take it in the pool, but don't take it scuba diving
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Ahoy telephone
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So ahoy telephone happened today because they did a demo and I heard from a bunch of people on Twitter who got ahoy
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telephone by Apple during the event when they demoed, when the guy who used to be at Adobe
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demoed the fact that, and we, I don't think we knew this for sure because all of Apple's
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documentation on the website says you press the digital crown and you can get Ahoy! telephone.
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You can get Siri to appear and then you talk to her. But it turns out, yes, you can say,
01:44:00
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a hoy timepiece and then she will listen to you.
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I assume that can be turned off, but I don't know for sure.
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But it's a good question 'cause we all did get
01:44:12
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a hoy telephoned or a hoy timepiece today.
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- Do you have any sense of what the Apple Watch can do
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when it's unpaired from a phone?
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- Well, unpaired, I'm not sure if it does anything.
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When it loses its connection, when you go running
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and you leave your phone at home,
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It'll do steps and it will do the onboard apps
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that are Apple's onboard apps, like the music player.
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So you could actually take Bluetooth headphones
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and go for a run and it would do step data
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and it would play music that you had loaded onto the watch.
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Those are things that it can do.
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Doesn't have a GPS,
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so it's not gonna be able to map your run,
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but it would be able to monitor your vitals
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and log that stuff.
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And when it reconnected back to the phone,
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put all that stuff back in the health app and all of that.
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So it's not super useful, but it's also not useless.
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And if you were validated and you went for a run
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and stopped off at Whole Foods to buy some peanut butter
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and Manchego, you could buy,
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you could use Apple Pay on it too.
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It doesn't need to have the phone.
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Once it's authorized, you could use it for Apple Pay.
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If you took it off, then it would de-off itself.
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But if you're wearing it,
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you would be able to use it for Apple Pay too.
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- Brian Hamilton asks,
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"Do you think the Apple Watch pricing is alienating
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to Apple's core audience?
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Does it matter?"
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- I think because they start at 349, I don't think it is.
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I think it's fine.
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And then the other one is five something.
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These don't feel like alienated prices.
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10,000, there were gasps in the hall
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when he said they started 10,000,
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but also you got a lot of, for the edition,
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but you got a lot of downplaying.
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They were like, and then there's the edition,
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It's a super special thing.
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It's only in it's limited quantities and it's in special
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stores and it's very special.
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And, you know, it was the nicest way possible of saying, um, saying if
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you need to know how much it costs, don't ask, uh, you can't afford it.
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Uh, but he was really trying to say, look, that's a thing we're doing.
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That is like special and not like, you know, this is our $10,000 watch,
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but very much more like it's jewelry and will be sold as such.
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Here are our core products.
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These are more reasonably priced.
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They're not cheap.
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They're expensive things.
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We're talking about, you know, five, $600 for a watch,
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but I don't think it's, it doesn't feel alienating.
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Apple's always sold to people who spend more money
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on technology.
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I don't think this is any different.
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So I think not.
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I think it's a really good question to ask, but I think not.
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People in the chat room, real-time follow-up,
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we have not waterproof,
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not, submerging Apple Watch is not recommended.
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That's what Apple says.
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All I can tell you is what Tim Cook said,
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which was don't go diving with it.
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So we'll see.
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It's supposed to be, you know, we'll see.
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Somebody will take it swimming
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and we'll find out whether it survives that or not.
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It is supposed to be pretty water resistant.
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So, you know, but I don't know.
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- This is the problem with the way that people
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always get the lines between waterproof
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and water resistant blurred.
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I think, you know, what Tim Cook was saying
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is basically like, yeah, if you wanna shower with it,
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With the, obviously with the sport band,
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not with the expensive, nice materials bands,
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'cause you'll ruin them.
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That would be my guess.
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But they may not want to say that
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in their marketing materials
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for fear of some class action lawsuit.
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But it's a good question.
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But I don't know, CEO of the company seems to think
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you just need to not take a diving.
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So I'm gonna go with that.
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I think you don't need to be terrified
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that it's a piece of electronics
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and it's gonna get wet and it's gonna get ruined.
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I don't think that's the case.
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Whether you can wear it while you're swimming,
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I don't know because, and that's a good question
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'cause that would be a great use case, right?
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Is to wear my Apple Watch Sport while I'm swimming
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and have it log my swimming.
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That would be great.
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You should be able to do that.
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I don't know if you can.
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feels like a really ambitious thing to do in a version one with the amount that's going
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on inside of the thing. Like, you know, to be that. All I know is I never took my pebble
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swimming. Yeah, and you're supposed to be able to do that too. Yeah, but it's just there are
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certain things where it's like, "I'm not gonna do that." Yeah. Jason, I think that about brings us
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to the end of this bumper post-keynotes. It's epic. Two locations, surprise guests.
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guest. I have no extra extra guests for you to surprise you. I don't want to kill you.
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A big day, big day, much, much more to talk about this week on all of your other podcasts. But,
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and I've got a lot more to think about and to write and all of that. I haven't written anything
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yet. It's all been just like running around and then doing this podcast and then getting home.
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But, but it's good. It's fun having an Apple event and there's so much more to talk about.
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I'm so happy that it's not just a rerun of the old event, that we got the new stuff,
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that we got the tidbits about Apple TV and the research kit stuff, and then we got the
01:49:26
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That is really exciting too, that we got an upgraded MacBooks that merited one slide.
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But still, I'm glad we got that kind of news too, and it wasn't just a replay of the Apple
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Watch with a few more details.
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They had to do that.
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Six months is a long time.
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months ago when they announced the Apple Watch, I was working at MacWorld. A lot has happened
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between then and now, right? That's how long it's been since they introduced the Apple
01:49:55
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Watch to the world. People forget. So they had to do it, but I'm glad they did a lot
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more than that. That gives us a lot more to talk about rather than just rehashing the
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aluminum videos from Jonny Ive and the like.
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If you'd like to find the show notes for this week's episode then you should head on over to relay.fm/upgrade/26
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Or you can find them in your podcast app of choice. If you would like to find us online you can find Mr. Jason Snell
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He is... I'm gonna call you the editor-in-chief of SixColors.com
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That's what it says on my business card.
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Awesome. Well, I mean you do have people there, you know, it's not just you. It's not just you.
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It's not just me.
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No, you're not like these other Apple bloggers. You have a team, Six Colors Incorporated.
01:50:44
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Yeah. Well, me and Federico both. We got people.
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You got the people to do the work when you're off gallivanting around in San Francisco.
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You can find Jason on Twitter. He's @jsnell, J-S-N-E-L-L-L. And I am @imike, I-M-Y-K-E.
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And if you have enjoyed this episode, I urge you to go and check out other episodes of
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this show you can find them at relay.fm/upgrade and also go to relay.fm and find out about
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the other shows that we have on this fine network. I want to thank you all for listening,
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thanks to everyone who submitted their questions as always, thank you to Federico for joining
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us, thank you to Casper, MailRoute and Flywheel for sponsoring this week's episode and we'll
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be back next time. Until then, arrivederci! Adios! Bye!
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