Upgrade

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00:00:09 ◼   ► Live from London and from Relay FM, this is Upgrade episode number 28. Today's show is brought to you

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00:00:27 ◼   ► My name is Myke Hurley and today I have the absolute pleasure of being joined across the

00:00:31 ◼   ► table by Mr. Jason Snell.

00:00:33 ◼   ► Hi Myke.

00:00:34 ◼   ► I'm right here.

00:00:35 ◼   ► Let's shake hands.

00:00:36 ◼   ► Look at this.

00:00:37 ◼   ► We are touching.

00:00:38 ◼   ► We are both live in London.

00:00:39 ◼   ► Jason is here as we are preparing.

00:00:41 ◼   ► This is the first of two live and in-person episodes that we're going to be doing of our

00:00:45 ◼   ► lovely show.

00:00:46 ◼   ► We are ensconced in a very small office.

00:00:49 ◼   ► Somewhere in a secret location in London.

00:00:51 ◼   ► High above London.

00:00:53 ◼   ► We are towering over London town.

00:00:55 ◼   ► So we have an interesting setup for today. I'm getting over a cold, Jason. I'm sorry

00:01:00 ◼   ► if you... I'll try and steer clear of you for as much as I possibly can.

00:01:03 ◼   ► You tell me that after we've shaken hands.

00:01:05 ◼   ► Uh-huh. And hugged. We hugged.

00:01:07 ◼   ► We did.

00:01:08 ◼   ► Casey insisted that you give me a slightly awkward hug, which was fantastic. I appreciate

00:01:13 ◼   ► that.

00:01:14 ◼   ► Indeed. Extra long, extra awkward. Just for Casey.

00:01:16 ◼   ► And we're sitting here across from each other. Jason has a beautiful sticker on his MacBook

00:01:21 ◼   ► Air.

00:01:22 ◼   ► Six Color Rainbow Apple. I got that when I started Six Colors. Also, I realized we had

00:01:27 ◼   ► three Apple laptops in our house and to tell them apart was hard. So now we ordered stickers

00:01:34 ◼   ► for everybody and now we can tell them all apart. My wife has a knitting pattern, I have

00:01:38 ◼   ► the Six Colors Rainbow Apple, and my son has a TARDIS from popular English television program

00:01:44 ◼   ► M.M.E., Doctor Who.

00:01:45 ◼   ► Doctor Who.

00:01:46 ◼   ► Yeah, Doctor Who. In that case.

00:01:49 ◼   ► So we have an action-packed show.

00:01:51 ◼   ► We do.

00:01:52 ◼   ► As always.

00:01:53 ◼   ► We do.

00:01:54 ◼   ► Should we start off with your favorite topic?

00:01:55 ◼   ► I wonder if we're not as energetic as we normally would be because we're not shouting into a

00:01:58 ◼   ► microphone but actually shouting at another human being.

00:02:01 ◼   ► It's very peculiar.

00:02:04 ◼   ► When you record on your own all the time, just looking at a computer, it's a very, very

00:02:09 ◼   ► different experience.

00:02:10 ◼   ► Because plus there's so many variables that change.

00:02:12 ◼   ► I don't have my own microphone.

00:02:14 ◼   ► I can't hear my own voice.

00:02:15 ◼   ► All of these things change.

00:02:17 ◼   ► But we work with what we've got.

00:02:18 ◼   ► it's gonna be a very different but very exciting episode. Yes, yes, in our

00:02:22 ◼   ► special, also we've come together to make this podcast technically, I've

00:02:27 ◼   ► provided two table microphones, you provided your USB interface, it's a

00:02:32 ◼   ► perfect match. Yep, this is a meeting of minds. Yes, and we'll do this, and if this

00:02:37 ◼   ► fails we'll just try it again next week. Uh-huh. All right, should we do some

00:02:41 ◼   ► follow-up? Yes, please. I wanted to, we got some, we got some feedback about Apple TV

00:02:46 ◼   ► and there was a story about Apple TV. And since we talked about it, I thought we would

00:02:49 ◼   ► talk about it some more. John Pekowski at BuzzFeed, formerly of D, all things D, and

00:02:56 ◼   ► then in between he was some--was he somewhere else? I don't know. He's moved around a little

00:03:00 ◼   ► bit.

00:03:01 ◼   ► >> Is he at the Times, the Journal, or something like that?

00:03:02 ◼   ► >> Yeah, maybe. Maybe so. But anyway, now he's--

00:03:04 ◼   ► >> So he's part of this new San Francisco office, right?

00:03:06 ◼   ► >> Yeah. Matt Honan, I believe, hired him for the BuzzFeed San Francisco bureau.

00:03:11 ◼   ► >> I do enjoy some of the crazy stuff on BuzzFeed, but I feel like I can't take it seriously

00:03:15 ◼   ► when I go there to read serious stuff.

00:03:18 ◼   ► It is weird when you see all the subheads from a serious bit of Apple scoop and it's

00:03:22 ◼   ► the same subheads that you would use to have like, you know, eight things you didn't know

00:03:27 ◼   ► about where honey comes from.

00:03:30 ◼   ► Take this quiz about how much of a bee you are.

00:03:33 ◼   ► Yeah, exactly.

00:03:35 ◼   ► So anyway, John Pekowski is working for BuzzFeed now, along with Matt Honan, who is a friend

00:03:40 ◼   ► of--I don't know if he's a friend of the show, but he used to work for me in Macworld.

00:03:45 ◼   ► And they're doing some great work over there, and John Pekowski's sources are excellent,

00:03:48 ◼   ► and he says there will be a new Apple TV.

00:03:50 ◼   ► It will launch at WWDC.

00:03:53 ◼   ► There's a reason why on Apple's site it says Apple TV starts at $69.

00:03:57 ◼   ► I think that's just a mistake.

00:04:00 ◼   ► Well, he says it's not -- I mean, it may be, but he says, "Look, I'm also saying they're

00:04:05 ◼   ► going to have it at WWDC."

00:04:07 ◼   ► And he had some details.

00:04:08 ◼   ► He said it's going to have an A8 processor or a variant of the same.

00:04:14 ◼   ► It's going to have a dramatic increase in onboard storage to accompany downloadable

00:04:18 ◼   ► apps from an app store well beyond the 8GB that's in the current device and an improved

00:04:24 ◼   ► operating system, he says, that will support Siri control of Apple TV and enable it remotely

00:04:28 ◼   ► for a selection of HomeKit-enabled home automation devices.

00:04:32 ◼   ► So a lot of these rumors have been rolled together into this report where he's confirming

00:04:36 ◼   ► it and saying it'll happen at WWDC, it's going to have a new remote control, it'll have Siri

00:04:40 ◼   ► support, perhaps even on the remote control, it'll have app support.

00:04:43 ◼   ► got to wonder about game, the ability to play games on it.

00:04:47 ◼   ► This may be the piece of hardware that some people have said has been floating around

00:04:50 ◼   ► at Apple for a couple of years just waiting for approval to launch it.

00:04:55 ◼   ► A rumor like this, maybe I'm being a bit critical, but a rumor like this seems like it's just

00:05:00 ◼   ► an easy one to do.

00:05:02 ◼   ► He's basically taking all of the rumors and saying this is going to happen.

00:05:05 ◼   ► So even if only like 75% of it, it's like, "Well, see, I got it right."

00:05:08 ◼   ► Well, in many ways, I think all he has to do is get a good source to confirm, say, "Look,

00:05:13 ◼   ► this is the stuff that is floating out there," and get somebody to say, "Yes, that's accurate,

00:05:18 ◼   ► and it'll happen in June."

00:05:20 ◼   ► And that may be the case here.

00:05:22 ◼   ► But this product, if the rumors are true and the rumblings that I've heard are true that

00:05:27 ◼   ► this has been floating around for a couple of years, then that's interesting too, because

00:05:33 ◼   ► that's--of course stuff's going to leak.

00:05:36 ◼   ► if you leave a project and a year later it's still not out, I mean, I think people might

00:05:41 ◼   ► be more – when we were talking about rumors, that's one vector for rumors, I think, is

00:05:45 ◼   ► somebody who's left a project and is frustrated maybe that their work has not come to anything

00:05:49 ◼   ► and they haven't released it.

00:05:51 ◼   ► But John Pekowski, I think the big nugget here is he says it's going to happen and

00:05:56 ◼   ► it's going to happen at WWDC.

00:05:57 ◼   ► And Mark Gurman had a different report a little bit earlier that was a little vaguer about

00:06:01 ◼   ► when it was going to happen, but these seem to be in line. Their sources seem to be quite

00:06:08 ◼   ► similar.

00:06:09 ◼   ► What do you think a product like this does for Apple? Would it be a good idea to launch

00:06:16 ◼   ► another platform now when they've just announced the Watch platform?

00:06:21 ◼   ► I don't know. I mean, I imagine this is all going to be quite familiar to iOS developers

00:06:25 ◼   ► and these are all going to be in the family.

00:06:28 ◼   ► And whether this is-- in fact, we theorized a few years ago,

00:06:32 ◼   ► there were a bunch of people on the internet.

00:06:34 ◼   ► I don't say we like you and me, but there

00:06:36 ◼   ► were a lot of people saying the idea of Apple TV apps

00:06:39 ◼   ► might even be with the Apple TV as kind of a child

00:06:42 ◼   ► to an iOS device, which is very much what the Apple Watch

00:06:46 ◼   ► actually is.

00:06:48 ◼   ► But I don't know.

00:06:49 ◼   ► I think that they'll all be similar things.

00:06:52 ◼   ► The iOS developers should feel very familiar with them.

00:06:55 ◼   ► And probably the people focused on watch apps are probably in a very different category most of the time

00:07:01 ◼   ► from the people who would be building Apple TV apps. Those don't seem to have a lot of overlap.

00:07:06 ◼   ► I'm interested to try and understand what kind of apps people would make that would go beyond stuff like just taking advance of AirPlay and things like that.

00:07:13 ◼   ► Like, do you think that people would make like games for this device, then Apple needs... would they think about a controller if that was the case?

00:07:21 ◼   ► I think I mean there were rumors that this would be you know a device that

00:07:26 ◼   ► would have an optional controller and Amazon has sort of done that and Roku

00:07:29 ◼   ► has done that where there's kind of a generic controller and then there's like

00:07:33 ◼   ► a premium controller. Amazon's premium controller has the microphone you get

00:07:37 ◼   ► that with the Fire TV but you don't get it with a Fire Stick you have to buy it

00:07:40 ◼   ► separately and Roku has a blow Bluetooth blow to what is blow to it has a Bluetooth

00:07:46 ◼   ► remote and a blowfish that comes with it as well. A Bluetooth remote with a motion

00:07:53 ◼   ► sensor in it so you can play, I don't know, Angry Birds is the one that they

00:07:56 ◼   ► always talk about. I think that maybe they put a lot of money into buying

00:08:00 ◼   ► Angry Birds, getting it developed on Roku so now they're gonna promote it.

00:08:03 ◼   ► But I could see that. I could also see Apple saying, "Look, for anything beyond

00:08:08 ◼   ► the most basic interaction, use an iOS device." I could see that too.

00:08:11 ◼   ► Yep, yeah. And a real place for third parties is to create like really really nice looking

00:08:18 ◼   ► controllers. You know they have like a made for Apple TV type thing like they have made for iPhone

00:08:23 ◼   ► and stuff like that. It's interesting, I mean as I said I just think it's it would be an interesting

00:08:30 ◼   ► choice to have it now when there really should be a lot of focus even at WWDC for the watch.

00:08:36 ◼   ► Right.

00:08:36 ◼   ► because that's, I assume, when we're going to see this is what watch apps will be.

00:08:42 ◼   ► Right, although the watch... that's true, that's true. What we've seen so far with WatchKit is the

00:08:47 ◼   ► stuff that's the very basic stuff. So if they're going to roll out how to write proper watch apps

00:08:52 ◼   ► at WWDC and how to write Apple TV apps, that is more stuff. But then again, what better place

00:08:59 ◼   ► to do it than WWDC? It's the venue. It is the venue. And again, maybe there's not as much

00:09:04 ◼   ► overlap as you'd think because I'm trying to think of the kinds of things,

00:09:07 ◼   ► kinds of apps that would be great on Apple TV and it's media apps and games

00:09:14 ◼   ► and those are not probably what you want to see on the watch. That's a good point.

00:09:18 ◼   ► Yep, definitely. So maybe it's this is something for everyone, you know, a little

00:09:23 ◼   ► bit of this. Watch people over here, Apple TV people over here, you might get a like

00:09:27 ◼   ► a West Side Story kind of thing where they're fighting to do it. We're not going to sing

00:09:35 ◼   ► that whole song because we don't want to pay the royalties for that. Upgrady and Bob gave

00:09:38 ◼   ► some feedback that I wanted to read which is similar. He references the John Pekowski

00:09:43 ◼   ► story and says, "I'm sure you'll be talking about the Apple TV future this week. Upgrady

00:09:48 ◼   ► and Bob, you may have made this happen. But I have a question about the $69 current model.

00:09:54 ◼   ► one we're looking for a way to stream music to a stereo or an additional stereo in one's

00:09:58 ◼   ► house the typical answer is Airport Express at $99 but didn't Apple just make it $30 cheaper

00:10:03 ◼   ► to do the same thing with Apple TV? That's an interesting idea but is Apple TV's ports,

00:10:13 ◼   ► doesn't Apple TV just do HDMI and like optical out? Does it have a mini jack on it?

00:10:18 ◼   ► >> I don't think so.

00:10:19 ◼   ► I don't think it does and I think that's the issue is that there's a standard audio mini

00:10:24 ◼   ► jack on the back of the airport express and all that's on the back of the Apple TV is

00:10:29 ◼   ► optical audio, HDMI, and that USB port that's just for tether beta updates basically.

00:10:39 ◼   ► It's not in use for regular stuff.

00:10:41 ◼   ► So if you had an audio something that took optical audio out, that TOS link connector,

00:10:47 ◼   ► then yes, you could use Apple TV and it would probably work.

00:10:51 ◼   ► - So HDMI, optical audio, ethernet, IR, micro USB.

00:10:55 ◼   ► - But no mini jack for audio,

00:10:56 ◼   ► which is what the Airport Express does.

00:10:58 ◼   ► I agree it's a little weird that the Airport Express

00:11:00 ◼   ► is 99 and the Apple TV is 69, but that's the way it is.

00:11:05 ◼   ► - I have just found out that Apple puts the Apple TV

00:11:08 ◼   ► under the iPod section of the website,

00:11:10 ◼   ► which is a really weird place for it to live.

00:11:12 ◼   ► - That's a bad neighborhood to live in.

00:11:14 ◼   ► That's like living on the edge of a cliff.

00:11:15 ◼   ► Shuffle Nano. I'd forgotten that this Nano even existed.

00:11:19 ◼   ► Oh yeah.

00:11:19 ◼   ► The iPod Touch, Apple TV, and accessories.

00:11:24 ◼   ► Well maybe that would be a sign when the Apple TV has truly left hobby status is that it

00:11:29 ◼   ► gets its own navigation on the Apple website.

00:11:32 ◼   ► Yep.

00:11:33 ◼   ► Store Mac, iPhone, watch TV, iPad, iPod.

00:11:36 ◼   ► iPod, yeah. I don't know. I wouldn't buy any real estate in the iPod section, right?

00:11:42 ◼   ► I'm so surprised that a lot of these products exist, and I wonder what the point is of them now.

00:11:48 ◼   ► Like this iPod Touch, it's what? iPhone 5? It's the iPhone 5, right? That's the internals of it.

00:11:57 ◼   ► Is that it? Maybe so. This is the one that John Syracuse had before he got his iPhone 6.

00:12:02 ◼   ► So is it even iPhone 5 spec, or is it like a 4S?

00:12:06 ◼   ► I think the screen, it's an iPhone 5 size.

00:12:10 ◼   ► Oh yeah, yeah, but the processor in it I don't think is even iPhone 5 processor. I could

00:12:14 ◼   ► be wrong about that.

00:12:15 ◼   ► It's a, I'm looking at the page, we are diving deep today. I'm sure the chat room are probably

00:12:20 ◼   ► already telling us exactly all the specs. I should go there.

00:12:23 ◼   ► Yes, chat room says it's an A5.

00:12:25 ◼   ► A5. Which was, is that 4? Is that the iPhone 4?

00:12:30 ◼   ► It's normally we would have, we would have all of our, uh.

00:12:33 ◼   ► Yep. Well, we're being told.

00:12:34 ◼   ► iPhone 4S, yes.

00:12:35 ◼   ► Yeah, Neil Ash in the chat room is saying it's the iPhone 4S.

00:12:37 ◼   ► Don't let us, Neil Ash.

00:12:38 ◼   ► We're trusting you. We're putting a lot of trust in you right now.

00:12:42 ◼   ► Yeah, so that's really interesting that this product still does exist to me.

00:12:46 ◼   ► I find it a very peculiar thing. I know that, you know, it's kind of like if it's sitting

00:12:49 ◼   ► there and you sell 100,000 of them a year, then it's 100,000 products sold.

00:12:55 ◼   ► Just like the iPod Classic, right? It's easy to make. It's cheap to make. People still

00:12:59 ◼   ► buy them. You're not putting any effort into it. But at some point, you know, this is the

00:13:04 ◼   ► -- I mean, the argument here is that at some point you could make it go away and although

00:13:08 ◼   ► some people would complain about it I think Apple would say look if you want

00:13:11 ◼   ► something in your pocket by a phone if you want a lower cost iOS device buy an

00:13:15 ◼   ► iPad mini yeah because he 199 for an iPod touch and 249 for an iPad mini right

00:13:20 ◼   ► if they like the starting iPad mini but at that point you know if you think who

00:13:24 ◼   ► are you buying them for it's probably kids maybe an iPad mini is better they

00:13:28 ◼   ► buy for an iPad 5 chips that's also an a5 chip also also something that should

00:13:33 ◼   ► probably be killed killed yeah oh anyway so thank you upgrading Bob for

00:13:42 ◼   ► suggesting that we talk about the Apple TV and also talk about mysterious

00:13:46 ◼   ► products on Apple's website in the in the the dead zone deaths yeah I pod

00:13:51 ◼   ► category that's right some might say that giant monster lives deep in the

00:13:56 ◼   ► iPod category but very few bad to venture in there. Ahoy iPod no. We have a cheese vertical

00:14:06 ◼   ► update. Naturally. Have you had any more cheese? I have. My girlfriend is plowing through the

00:14:12 ◼   ► Manchego. She is enjoying it very much so I would like to pass on my thanks. Oh good.

00:14:19 ◼   ► She's, well I assume that there will now be more Manchego in our house than ever before.

00:14:25 ◼   ► That's good to hear.

00:14:27 ◼   ► We also got some good feedback from listener Brandon.

00:14:29 ◼   ► He said, "Thank you to me for your work as an ambassador of fine dairy."

00:14:34 ◼   ► You should get a business cut.

00:14:38 ◼   ► When I come into Heathrow, I should say I am an ambassador of fine dairy.

00:14:42 ◼   ► What are you here for, sir?

00:14:43 ◼   ► I'm here to spread the good word of sheep cheese.

00:14:45 ◼   ► Yes.

00:14:46 ◼   ► And Brandon says, "I just had my first hit of Manchego.

00:14:49 ◼   ► Wow, sheep juice is delicious."

00:14:51 ◼   ► I like hit.

00:14:52 ◼   ► He's called it a hit.

00:14:53 ◼   ► hit, like a dealer. So plus 10 for hit, minus 10 for sheep juice. Just to be clear, if you're

00:15:04 ◼   ► drinking or eating sheep juice, you are not having cheese. That is another part of the

00:15:10 ◼   ► sheep that you should not squeeze that sheep. Not that. Anyway, listener Eric also said

00:15:19 ◼   ► He sent out a link that we can put in the show notes to a podcast called Gastropod,

00:15:24 ◼   ► which did an episode called "Say Cheese," which listener Eric recommended and said it's

00:15:28 ◼   ► the ultimate cheese vertical and entire podcast in the inquisitive style.

00:15:32 ◼   ► So save—I'll have to give that a listen to find out more about cheese, including,

00:15:39 ◼   ► apparently, that Cheddar is a place in England where Cheddar is from.

00:15:45 ◼   ► This is what we learned.

00:15:46 ◼   ► These are the important facts.

00:15:47 ◼   ► You will only find on upgrade.

00:15:48 ◼   ► So she's vertical.

00:15:51 ◼   ► Before we go on, Myke, I wanted to also give you a report from where I'm staying while

00:15:56 ◼   ► I'm in London.

00:15:57 ◼   ► My friend Simon's house, Simon and Julie and their daughter Lexi are taking care of me.

00:16:03 ◼   ► And this morning I got up and fought the jet lag and they have a little, up at the very

00:16:08 ◼   ► top of their house where their guest room is, they have a little tiny shower and I went

00:16:11 ◼   ► in there and then I shaved, be the smooth face you see here.

00:16:16 ◼   ► And one of those comforting things, I'm thousands of miles away from home, but you know what

00:16:20 ◼   ► I had with me?

00:16:21 ◼   ► Please tell me.

00:16:22 ◼   ► I had the delightful shaving lotion from Harry's.

00:16:26 ◼   ► Our good friend at Harry's who helped him support this episode.

00:16:29 ◼   ► Oh, we do love Harry's.

00:16:31 ◼   ► They are the best.

00:16:32 ◼   ► And you know, as Jason said, when you're away from home, there are sometimes the little

00:16:37 ◼   ► comforts that you need.

00:16:39 ◼   ► And Harry's is definitely one of those little comforts.

00:16:42 ◼   ► Because shaving can be difficult.

00:16:43 ◼   ► It can be uncomfortable.

00:16:45 ◼   ► It can cause nicks, cuts, scrapes, so much more and also it's expensive.

00:16:49 ◼   ► Buying these blades, if you really want to get a good shave you have to replace your

00:16:53 ◼   ► blades frequently and that can be extremely expensive.

00:16:56 ◼   ► But that's what Harrys, they are out there to tackle.

00:16:59 ◼   ► Harrys make their own blades.

00:17:00 ◼   ► They went and found an incredible factory in Germany who are absolute experts at crafting

00:17:05 ◼   ► these beautiful razor blades and they decided that they needed them.

00:17:08 ◼   ► They needed to make sure they could always get these blades because they'd found the

00:17:11 ◼   ► perfect ones.

00:17:12 ◼   ► So they purchased the factory in Germany.

00:17:14 ◼   ► And this allows them to offer an extremely high quality shave at half the price of other

00:17:19 ◼   ► big branded blades because they own the whole stack.

00:17:23 ◼   ► Harry's will ship for free to your front doorstep and they have an incredible deal for their

00:17:27 ◼   ► starter set which is just $15.

00:17:29 ◼   ► It can get you a razor, moisturising shave cream or foaming shave gel and 3 razor blades.

00:17:34 ◼   ► On average a Harry's shaver saves $150 each year because they use their Harry's blades.

00:17:42 ◼   ► I love the way that Harry's razors look.

00:17:44 ◼   ► Jason loves their products as well.

00:17:45 ◼   ► They really care about making your face feel good.

00:17:49 ◼   ► Their stuff smells great.

00:17:51 ◼   ► My girlfriend has now stolen my Harry's razor.

00:17:55 ◼   ► - Wow. - Yep.

00:17:56 ◼   ► Because she--

00:17:57 ◼   ► - So we, okay, cheese and the Harry's razor now.

00:18:00 ◼   ► - Yeah, she's taken over.

00:18:01 ◼   ► - She has immaculate taste is what I'm saying.

00:18:03 ◼   ► - She was unhappy.

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00:18:49 ◼   ► live from London.

00:18:50 ◼   ► Doing this live, I keep waiting for us to finish things and having like an audience

00:18:54 ◼   ► go "yeah, yeah, yeah." But there's no, we're live before nobody.

00:18:56 ◼   ► No.

00:18:57 ◼   ► Live before chat room. The chat room is always there with us. They're always our studio audience.

00:19:01 ◼   ► There is a large chat room audience today. This is one of the, looking at our statistics,

00:19:05 ◼   ► This is one of the largest live listener audiences we've had.

00:19:09 ◼   ► Well, we could, we could, we're also a little earlier than usual because I usually, we usually

00:19:15 ◼   ► do this at 11 a.m. Pacific time.

00:19:17 ◼   ► Yes.

00:19:18 ◼   ► Which, which is what, 7 p.m.

00:19:21 ◼   ► Most of the year it's 7 p.m.

00:19:22 ◼   ► Yes, most of the year.

00:19:23 ◼   ► We're in that weird time now where it's different.

00:19:24 ◼   ► The three weeks of it not being correct for anybody.

00:19:28 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

00:19:29 ◼   ► But so, you know, we're a little bit earlier than that and maybe people are happy about

00:19:33 ◼   ► that.

00:19:34 ◼   ► I could do this podcast earlier in the day, but I don't know if Monday morning, I don't

00:19:40 ◼   ► know if I would be at my best at eight or nine in the morning on a Monday morning.

00:19:43 ◼   ► I don't need you to do that.

00:19:45 ◼   ► I think 11.

00:19:46 ◼   ► I'm sufficiently caffeinated and I had a chance to go through our notes and all of that, which

00:19:52 ◼   ► if we did it earlier, I think I'd have to do it on Sunday night and I don't want to

00:19:56 ◼   ► do that.

00:19:57 ◼   ► No.

00:19:58 ◼   ► So I wanted to talk to you today about your technology life when you travel.

00:20:03 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah. Because I always find this interesting.

00:20:06 ◼   ► It's topical. Excellent topic. Did you know I'm traveling now? I'm like, really?

00:20:12 ◼   ► This interests me because I like to understand the way that people deal with these things.

00:20:16 ◼   ► Because plus also for the first time, me and you, this is the first time that you've traveled

00:20:21 ◼   ► that me and you have been in so much contact because now we do the show.

00:20:24 ◼   ► Right. And the last few days you have been on edge, I think is probably the best way to put it.

00:20:29 ◼   ► Well, on Friday in the relay slack room, I believe at one point I posted something that

00:20:38 ◼   ► was just the word "Travel Stress" in all capital letters with spaces in between them.

00:20:44 ◼   ► And if I could remember how to get that ASCII art picture of the guy jumping out of a window,

00:20:50 ◼   ► that's what I would have done.

00:20:51 ◼   ► Stephen Hackett is going to immediately send you his text expander.

00:20:54 ◼   ► Yes, please, please do.

00:20:55 ◼   ► Because he uses that a lot too.

00:20:57 ◼   ► Because that's what I was feeling.

00:20:58 ◼   ► And it was, you know, all last week was super stressful for me.

00:21:02 ◼   ► And I know some people get really stressed out when they travel, and sometimes I do too.

00:21:05 ◼   ► But for this time, all the stress was before the trip.

00:21:09 ◼   ► I felt like once I got here, I know my way around London.

00:21:12 ◼   ► I've been here so many times now.

00:21:13 ◼   ► This is like my fifth or sixth trip to London since 2000.

00:21:17 ◼   ► Before 2000, I had never been outside of North America.

00:21:21 ◼   ► But since then, I've been here a bunch.

00:21:23 ◼   ► And so I know my way around the tube, and I have an Oyster card, and it's all good.

00:21:28 ◼   ► But last week I was sitting there thinking,

00:21:31 ◼   ► "I have this huge stack of things

00:21:32 ◼   ► "that I have to get done before I go."

00:21:34 ◼   ► And so as the week progressed and I was not,

00:21:37 ◼   ► I felt like my pace was not sufficient

00:21:40 ◼   ► to get everything done before I went,

00:21:43 ◼   ► you know, it just amped up the stress.

00:21:45 ◼   ► I had a bunch of stuff that I had agreed to do

00:21:47 ◼   ► in the evenings last week because I couldn't agree

00:21:52 ◼   ► to doing it the following two weeks.

00:21:53 ◼   ► So I ended up with four of the five nights.

00:21:56 ◼   ► I had an evening engagement of some sort.

00:21:59 ◼   ► I had a podcast.

00:22:00 ◼   ► I had to teach a class.

00:22:01 ◼   ► I had to speak at a user group.

00:22:04 ◼   ► And I had a board meeting for the nonprofit that I'm on, the National Novel Writing Month

00:22:08 ◼   ► board.

00:22:09 ◼   ► And so four out of the five nights I also couldn't...

00:22:11 ◼   ► I was so busy last week that I felt like this is the kind of week where I could go back

00:22:16 ◼   ► to work after dinner and work through the evening in order to get it done, and I didn't

00:22:20 ◼   ► have the evenings either.

00:22:21 ◼   ► Do you think that this stress is different this time because of your work situation has

00:22:29 ◼   ► changed?

00:22:30 ◼   ► Partially, I think.

00:22:32 ◼   ► It's definitely true that when I would travel before, even if it was a business trip, I

00:22:37 ◼   ► would delegate to people and not have to worry about it as much.

00:22:42 ◼   ► And now one of the facts of being on my own is that I need to make the arrangements and

00:22:53 ◼   ► my ability to delegate is limited.

00:22:54 ◼   ► I did actually have a nice conversation with Dan Morin, who I believe is actually listening

00:22:58 ◼   ► to us live, saying, "Hey Dan, can you look in on the website for me just because I don't

00:23:03 ◼   ► know how constant my focus will be.

00:23:07 ◼   ► I'm going to be traveling internationally, I've got a bunch of trips."

00:23:09 ◼   ► I did, I mean, I wrote two or three things this morning, but tomorrow I'm hoping to walk

00:23:14 ◼   ► around London a little bit, and so I'm going to be a little less attentive.

00:23:17 ◼   ► So yeah, some of that is there, that I've got responsibilities that, you know, I have

00:23:22 ◼   ► responsibilities before, but I also had a team that I could say, "Can you watch this

00:23:25 ◼   ► for the next week?"

00:23:26 ◼   ► And I don't have so much of that now.

00:23:29 ◼   ► You know, my book chapters that I'm working on and blog posts that I'm doing and all of

00:23:35 ◼   ► that is stuff that I have to take care of myself.

00:23:37 ◼   ► So I think that was part of it.

00:23:41 ◼   ► But in the end, there's a good end to the story, which is in the end I feel like I did

00:23:45 ◼   ► end up doing everything I needed to do before I went.

00:23:47 ◼   ► I didn't defer anything or punt anything.

00:23:49 ◼   ► I wrote the chapter that I needed to write for the book that I'm working on.

00:23:55 ◼   ► It's a funny thing.

00:23:56 ◼   ► I'm writing an e-book for tidbits about photos, the Photos app, which is great.

00:24:01 ◼   ► I'm learning a lot about the Photos app.

00:24:03 ◼   ► But one of the things--and it's pretty good, although Aperture users, I think, are not

00:24:07 ◼   ► are going to hate it, but iPhoto users will like it.

00:24:11 ◼   ► But so Tanya Angst, who is the series editor for those books,

00:24:17 ◼   ► we agreed to a schedule.

00:24:18 ◼   ► And I said, I've got two weeks that I'm

00:24:19 ◼   ► going to be traveling internationally,

00:24:20 ◼   ► so we need to work around that.

00:24:22 ◼   ► And they said that was fine.

00:24:23 ◼   ► And then she sent an email early in the week and said,

00:24:26 ◼   ► so here's what I'm thinking we want

00:24:28 ◼   ► to do to move the schedule around a little bit in order

00:24:30 ◼   ► to get a first version of the book out sooner.

00:24:33 ◼   ► And I looked at it, and she was sort of

00:24:35 ◼   ► assuming that I'd be writing it for the next two weeks.

00:24:37 ◼   ► And I wrote back and I said, "One problem with this, I'm not going to be around."

00:24:42 ◼   ► And it was nice because she had that moment where she's like, "Oh, I forgot you were traveling."

00:24:46 ◼   ► So it's all okay.

00:24:47 ◼   ► But in order to fulfill the basic level of what this plan was that she had, I did need

00:24:51 ◼   ► to do some stuff that I had initially expected not to have to do until after I got back.

00:24:58 ◼   ► I had to do this week.

00:24:59 ◼   ► And that was what I think put my stress level over the edge.

00:25:01 ◼   ► But in the end, I wrote the chapter I needed to write on Saturday.

00:25:06 ◼   ► My wife and I took a walk for an hour or two.

00:25:08 ◼   ► We came back.

00:25:09 ◼   ► I was already packed at that point.

00:25:10 ◼   ► I packed my suitcase on Saturday morning.

00:25:13 ◼   ► And my flight was at 9 p.m., which was actually great because I was already getting tired

00:25:21 ◼   ► when I got on.

00:25:22 ◼   ► And then I was able to sort of doze on the plane.

00:25:24 ◼   ► And then the stress was gone because then I was in the air and it was all over.

00:25:27 ◼   ► But that preparing for it and figuring out what to pack, including what technology to

00:25:31 ◼   ► pack that was all balled up in that in that stress that just kept elevating

00:25:36 ◼   ► throughout the whole week until on Friday I shouted in the relay chat room

00:25:40 ◼   ► TRAVEL STRESS! I want to get to the technology but there isn't there is an

00:25:44 ◼   ► interesting part because I'm feeling this because on Friday I am away for two

00:25:48 ◼   ► weeks yes right and you're doing the multiple stop travel just like I am and

00:25:53 ◼   ► there's an interesting thing where it's like even though things are getting

00:25:57 ◼   ► taken care of because it's yours now it's different to when you work

00:26:02 ◼   ► somewhere because it's like if something went wrong it's like well someone's gonna

00:26:06 ◼   ► fix it right and ultimately it doesn't affect me if something happens because

00:26:10 ◼   ► I'm not there but now if something goes wrong and I'm not there it ultimately

00:26:15 ◼   ► affects me right and that adds a different you do have Steven yes and you

00:26:19 ◼   ► do have your your your co-hosts like Steven's taken over a lot of the

00:26:23 ◼   ► responsibilities which I love him for but it's still it's like this other

00:26:27 ◼   ► thing where it's like ah but it's you know if things go a bit awry like if

00:26:32 ◼   ► something pops up and I have that for me I have that like low-level anxiety at

00:26:36 ◼   ► all times it's like I need to be connected because I there are there's

00:26:39 ◼   ► going to be parts of my two-week trip where I will not be connected and that's

00:26:45 ◼   ► gonna be a really interesting way to do things I hope you weren't bitten by a

00:26:49 ◼   ► vampire during those times. Yes, we will see. I am going to Romania for a

00:26:54 ◼   ► week as well. We're traveling around so I expect that parts of the

00:27:00 ◼   ► mountains will not have accurate cell coverage. They're called "Pythian Mountains".

00:27:07 ◼   ► So we'll see what happens. So let's get to the technology they bring of you.

00:27:11 ◼   ► Yes. What have you got and how do you make those decisions? What

00:27:16 ◼   ► makes the cut. You know the big thing that that... Did you bring your own mic?

00:27:20 ◼   ► I, alas, I did not. The big thing that that I stressed out about was actually

00:27:26 ◼   ► about audio because we have these two episodes that we're that we're recording

00:27:29 ◼   ► and I want to record it clockwise when we're in Ireland as well, which

00:27:33 ◼   ► hopefully you will be on. And so I had that moment of thinking, you know,

00:27:39 ◼   ► what should I bring? I've got two table mics, should I bring my USB thing? Should

00:27:43 ◼   ► I bring my recorder, which is an SD card recorder that is also its own microphone, so that gives

00:27:51 ◼   ► me a third microphone for a tabletop situation, and I stressed out about that for a while.

00:27:55 ◼   ► And in the end, I thought that I would just bring the recorder, which can double as a

00:28:00 ◼   ► USB audio input if I need to, and then I thought, "Oh, I can ask Myke to bring his USB thing

00:28:06 ◼   ► to the office in London," and that's what we're using now.

00:28:11 ◼   ► So it all actually all worked out because I got, we teamed up and that made it a lot

00:28:16 ◼   ► better.

00:28:18 ◼   ► So I stressed out about that.

00:28:19 ◼   ► I have my MacBook Air, so bringing that was not a big deal except for the fact that, and

00:28:24 ◼   ► we talked about this briefly when I was traveling over the holidays, I don't have one computer

00:28:28 ◼   ► anymore.

00:28:29 ◼   ► And so I had that moment of, I did a lot of stressing out because of files I didn't want

00:28:33 ◼   ► to bring with me, not just because of the work but because of the sizes.

00:28:36 ◼   ► Like the total party kill project is like 10 gigabytes, and I thought on my little MacBook

00:28:42 ◼   ► Air SSD.

00:28:43 ◼   ► It turns out I do have room, and I'm happy that I've already edited next week's episode

00:28:49 ◼   ► because I don't have to do that while I'm here.

00:28:52 ◼   ► But I was also trying to minimize the stuff that I was copying because on Saturday afternoon

00:28:56 ◼   ► I ended up copying all the projects that I know I need to work on next weekend's incomparable,

00:29:02 ◼   ► and the following weekend's incomparable I need to edit while I'm here.

00:29:06 ◼   ► And so I brought those files with me.

00:29:07 ◼   ► So some of it was that of making sure that the apps that I had on the laptop, which I

00:29:13 ◼   ► hadn't opened since the Apple event, making sure they were all updated.

00:29:17 ◼   ► And it turned out that I needed to update because I'm writing about photos, there was

00:29:21 ◼   ► a new OS 10.10.3 beta that had come out.

00:29:24 ◼   ► So I needed to update to the latest beta so that I could have photos with me.

00:29:30 ◼   ► And running beta software on your laptop when you're traveling is crazy, but at the same

00:29:33 ◼   ► time I'm writing a book out about photos.

00:29:34 ◼   ► I have no choice but to do that.

00:29:37 ◼   ► And that's actually why I'm on the beta on this laptop, is because I knew I'd be traveling

00:29:41 ◼   ► and need access to photos.

00:29:43 ◼   ► So that stuff was the big stuff.

00:29:47 ◼   ► I'm not too worried about chargers at this point.

00:29:51 ◼   ► I brought a computer charger and an iPad charger, and I brought my iPad with me.

00:29:55 ◼   ► The iPad charger doubles as the phone charger.

00:29:59 ◼   ► So that was most of it.

00:30:02 ◼   ► I did spend, oh, I'd say I spent an hour with it,

00:30:07 ◼   ► but I didn't because I was doing other things

00:30:09 ◼   ► in the background while this very slow burn was happening

00:30:12 ◼   ► between my iPad and iTunes.

00:30:14 ◼   ► 'Cause I wanted to load a bunch of movies and TV shows on

00:30:18 ◼   ► for the plane and for my train

00:30:20 ◼   ► and all of these different trips that I'm taking

00:30:23 ◼   ► in case I wanna watch something.

00:30:24 ◼   ► And first off, it was attached to my Mac Mini.

00:30:29 ◼   ► And when I tried to sync it on the Mac Mini,

00:30:32 ◼   ► it started to act very strangely and I thought, you know what, I'm going to unsink it from my Mac Mini,

00:30:35 ◼   ► I'm going to sync it to my iMac. And my iMac is connected to the Mac Mini's giant storage volume with gigabit Ethernet,

00:30:46 ◼   ► so it shouldn't be a problem.

00:30:47 ◼   ► Lots of home movies.

00:30:48 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, lots of home movies, pictures of the kids. No, it's stuff I've ripped off of Blu-rays and things like that.

00:30:53 ◼   ► perfectly legal, but still.

00:30:55 ◼   ► And what I discovered is that the,

00:30:58 ◼   ► I was running the iPhotos beta on iOS,

00:31:03 ◼   ► the iPhoto, or the photo in iCloud photo data.

00:31:06 ◼   ► - Oh, right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:31:07 ◼   ► - And although that is supposed to dynamically

00:31:12 ◼   ► determine how much storage on your device it uses,

00:31:17 ◼   ► for this Photos book, I've been syncing photos.app

00:31:20 ◼   ► with the cloud and I've got something like four or five thousand photos in there.

00:31:27 ◼   ► And they had all synced to the device and so the device was reporting that I couldn't,

00:31:31 ◼   ► the iPad mini, couldn't sync any videos because it had 70 gigabytes of photos.

00:31:39 ◼   ► And I tried to remove them by turning it off and it said, "This will delete 6,000 photos."

00:31:45 ◼   ► And I said, "Yes, that's a good idea."

00:31:47 ◼   ► And then I attached it to iTunes and it still reported that I had 70 gigabytes of photos.

00:31:51 ◼   ► It turned out that, like I said, doing this in the background while I'm working on other

00:31:55 ◼   ► things, but what I ended up doing was I had to update my iPad Mini to the iOS beta.

00:32:01 ◼   ► So I'm all on beta.

00:32:03 ◼   ► Every device I have here is using beta software, but that, because I knew that this was some

00:32:08 ◼   ► weird bug involving the iCloud photo library stuff.

00:32:11 ◼   ► And indeed, once I had updated to the beta and I turned off iCloud Photo Library, it

00:32:17 ◼   ► deleted all the images off the image.

00:32:20 ◼   ► Now, this has got me concerned because if iOS really wants to download a thumbnail of

00:32:28 ◼   ► every single one of your iCloud images in your iCloud library...

00:32:31 ◼   ► That could still be massive for some people.

00:32:33 ◼   ► Well, this is what I'm thinking is that if I've got 5,000 or 10,000 or 20,000 photos

00:32:37 ◼   ► in my collection, does that mean that if I turn on iCloud Photo Library, it's going to

00:32:43 ◼   ► try to fill up 60 or 70 gigs of my device with photo previews?

00:32:49 ◼   ► Because that's insane.

00:32:51 ◼   ► That stuff should be streamed if there's not enough room, right?

00:32:54 ◼   ► There should be something that it does.

00:32:57 ◼   ► But this is a thought that occurs to me as I'm freaking out on Friday afternoon, and

00:33:01 ◼   ► so I just decided, or maybe that was Saturday morning, so I just turned it off for now,

00:33:06 ◼   ► But it's something that I need to investigate when we get back.

00:33:08 ◼   ► That's a really good point though, because thumbnails are small, but they still take

00:33:12 ◼   ► up space.

00:33:13 ◼   ► And if you're encouraged to put your entire life's worth of photos into this app.

00:33:18 ◼   ► And in the iOS 8.3 beta, all you can do is turn it on and off.

00:33:23 ◼   ► So does that mean that you can't have a large library unless you have extremely large devices?

00:33:27 ◼   ► Shouldn't it do the, uh, "We're going to assume how much space"?

00:33:31 ◼   ► Yeah, well that's what it should do.

00:33:35 ◼   ► And it's beta, so maybe it will do that.

00:33:36 ◼   ► But I had the experience where I really needed to turn it off in order to copy movies to

00:33:41 ◼   ► my iPad.

00:33:42 ◼   ► That's not ideal.

00:33:43 ◼   ► Not ideal.

00:33:44 ◼   ► But anyway, that was a huge source of stress.

00:33:46 ◼   ► But in the end, I did end it up where I've got some movies, got some future homework

00:33:51 ◼   ► for the incomparable on there that I have to watch that John Syracuse had assigned me,

00:33:55 ◼   ► and then some other stuff that is of my own choosing.

00:33:59 ◼   ► The problem with watching anime on an airplane is that anime is one of those things that

00:34:05 ◼   ► just there's often surprise nudity that happens out of the blue and and and then

00:34:11 ◼   ► I'm the guy who's watching cartoon boobs on in coach class on British Airways and

00:34:16 ◼   ► that's a bad that's a bad thing so that's a that's a challenge so we're

00:34:23 ◼   ► gonna talk about the phone that you have with you we'll talk about that I omitted

00:34:28 ◼   ► that from my packing list just so that we could talk about that as its own

00:34:31 ◼   ► topic. But I'm interested, did you get a local SIM? I did. I did. Now the last two times

00:34:38 ◼   ► I've been here I have bought a SIM from three. Which is, you know, they are a prepaid, they're

00:34:47 ◼   ► a carrier but they have a prepaid plan. And they have the insane data limits. Yeah, so

00:34:54 ◼   ► When I was in Ireland a year and a half ago, I bought one, and then last year I bought one here in London at a shop not too far, about a block from here in fact.

00:35:06 ◼   ► And in London, the deal is for £15, you get 30 days of like a thousand talk minutes and a thousand texts and something like, oh, and unlimited data.

00:35:21 ◼   ► And it roams, although I think maybe there's a data cap

00:35:24 ◼   ► when you roam, so next week when I'm in Ireland,

00:35:28 ◼   ► I will be able to use a certain amount of data,

00:35:30 ◼   ► hopefully without ever having to recharge it

00:35:33 ◼   ► or buy a new card.

00:35:34 ◼   ► I'm hoping. - Three are really good.

00:35:36 ◼   ► They have this, I think they call it like the,

00:35:40 ◼   ► something abroad or something like that,

00:35:42 ◼   ► where you can use your-- - At home abroad,

00:35:45 ◼   ► I think it's called. - And you can use

00:35:46 ◼   ► your data and minutes and stuff in other countries,

00:35:50 ◼   ► And it just takes from your local allowance?

00:35:52 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:35:53 ◼   ► - There's no roaming charges?

00:35:54 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's pretty great.

00:35:55 ◼   ► So I was thinking, I've gotta get to my friend Simon's house

00:35:58 ◼   ► and I like screenshotted some Google Maps

00:36:01 ◼   ► so I would know how to get there just in case.

00:36:03 ◼   ► And then we get to the baggage claim area.

00:36:07 ◼   ► So I'm through customs and immigration.

00:36:11 ◼   ► I'm in the baggage claim area and against the wall

00:36:13 ◼   ► is a SIM card vending machine.

00:36:18 ◼   ► And in the vending machine, the three package is there

00:36:22 ◼   ► for 20 pounds.

00:36:23 ◼   ► So, and I know that's a five pound markup,

00:36:26 ◼   ► and I think to myself, if I get it here,

00:36:29 ◼   ► I will immediately have data.

00:36:30 ◼   ► I can send a note to my wife saying I landed.

00:36:32 ◼   ► I can see if Simon has sent me a note,

00:36:35 ◼   ► 'cause I was asking him what the right tube stop is,

00:36:37 ◼   ► the best, the most efficient route to go,

00:36:39 ◼   ► and I will have access to maps as I'm making my journey

00:36:43 ◼   ► so I can get there regardless of whether Simon

00:36:46 ◼   ► gives me proper directions or not. Or I cannot spend those five extra pounds and wait until

00:36:51 ◼   ► Monday morning and then walk down on Monday morning. So I spent the five extra pounds

00:36:56 ◼   ► for 20 pounds, got it. As I'm waiting for my bag to come off the conveyor, I pop open

00:37:01 ◼   ► the SIM card on this phone, an unlocked phone, put in the SIM, turn it on and send my wife

00:37:10 ◼   ► a text saying I've landed and get the directions from Simon and he has a better tube stop for

00:37:15 ◼   ► me to ride to and all of that happened. Totally worth it, but it's come to that now where

00:37:20 ◼   ► -- and it's smart because international travelers are going to want to buy those cards, so why

00:37:25 ◼   ► would you not put a prepaid SIM card vending machine at the baggage claim?

00:37:28 ◼   ► And of course put a mark-up on it.

00:37:30 ◼   ► So by the time my bag came out -- and five pounds didn't seem -- I had a couple of people

00:37:34 ◼   ► on Twitter saying, "Oh, it's probably a bad deal." It is a five pound mark-up, but I knew

00:37:41 ◼   ► I knew what the markup was and I was fine with it, but the fact that I was online and

00:37:46 ◼   ► sending messages to people before my bag even came out.

00:37:50 ◼   ► I mean, I say I literally spent no extra time because I would have been standing there waiting

00:37:56 ◼   ► anyway.

00:37:57 ◼   ► It's incredible how fast they set up.

00:37:58 ◼   ► And you could just pop it in and it's just ready to go.

00:38:00 ◼   ► And it's ready to go and then there's information you can register and you can top it up and

00:38:03 ◼   ► things like that, but you just pop it in and it'll go.

00:38:05 ◼   ► And I was also impressed by this.

00:38:08 ◼   ► Three's little card that the SIM card comes in is a,

00:38:12 ◼   ► it's got all the sizes.

00:38:14 ◼   ► So if you've got a SIM or a micro SIM or a nano SIM,

00:38:19 ◼   ► you just punch out the size you want from the card.

00:38:21 ◼   ► - Very clever.

00:38:22 ◼   ► - Very, very super smart.

00:38:23 ◼   ► So I was very impressed,

00:38:24 ◼   ► and this is the third time I've used them, like I said.

00:38:26 ◼   ► I recommend it.

00:38:28 ◼   ► You have to have an unlocked phone, that's the only thing.

00:38:30 ◼   ► Although AT&T in the US has gotten much better

00:38:32 ◼   ► at unlocking your phone,

00:38:34 ◼   ► My understanding now is that after you're out of contract you can call them and they

00:38:37 ◼   ► send you a text basically and then it's unlocked.

00:38:39 ◼   ► My only issue with that stuff is iMessage.

00:38:42 ◼   ► I really wished you could still receive iMessages to your phone number when you're on another

00:38:47 ◼   ► phone.

00:38:48 ◼   ► Well you can because your iMessage account, Apple registers the number of your cell phone.

00:38:55 ◼   ► So does that work now?

00:38:56 ◼   ► Because when I've tried to do it in the past it hasn't worked.

00:38:59 ◼   ► It worked.

00:39:00 ◼   ► I was actually asked on this phone I've got, it says would you like to receive iMessage.

00:39:04 ◼   ► messages at my US phone number. Oh, perfect. Only iMessages will work. Your normal SMS's

00:39:11 ◼   ► won't go through but iMessages will go through. Anybody that sends me an SMS I don't want

00:39:16 ◼   ► it. No, yeah. Because it can get really expensive. So I'll probably just buy a SIM in Ireland

00:39:23 ◼   ► when we land and then also a SIM in Romania when I go to travel. Because 3 doesn't unfortunately

00:39:29 ◼   ► their feel at home doesn't include Romania.

00:39:32 ◼   ► 'Cause I use EE here, and I use EE

00:39:35 ◼   ► because their LTE is incredible.

00:39:38 ◼   ► And 3E used some of that,

00:39:40 ◼   ► but they don't have the access to the speeds.

00:39:42 ◼   ► When I signed up to EE,

00:39:43 ◼   ► they were the only LTE carrier in the UK,

00:39:45 ◼   ► and they were that way for about six months.

00:39:47 ◼   ► And I love the speeds.

00:39:48 ◼   ► You can get up to like 80 megabytes down

00:39:51 ◼   ► in certain parts of the island.

00:39:52 ◼   ► It's really, really amazing.

00:39:53 ◼   ► - It looks like what I'm getting is 3G

00:39:56 ◼   ► for the most part on 3.

00:39:57 ◼   ► But again, having data while I'm traveling internationally

00:40:02 ◼   ► is such a treat because for several years,

00:40:05 ◼   ► after we all came to expect having the internet

00:40:07 ◼   ► in our pocket at all times,

00:40:09 ◼   ► but before you actually could get it in any way

00:40:12 ◼   ► that wasn't sort of this ridiculously overpriced

00:40:14 ◼   ► international roaming, that was bad.

00:40:17 ◼   ► - It would always catch you out.

00:40:18 ◼   ► Every single time, it always catches you out.

00:40:20 ◼   ► - I should say, Anne Cremins in our chat room says

00:40:23 ◼   ► actually 3's got unlimited data in Ireland there's just a tethering limit

00:40:28 ◼   ► which is what Marco Arment was talking about because Marco just went through this too

00:40:32 ◼   ► yeah and because Marco has just been in England. He was at NSConf and now he's going back to

00:40:38 ◼   ► rule next week. Yeah but he's taking a week sabbatical in New York before coming back to here.

00:40:45 ◼   ► But there was something that they spoke about on that show which I want to now speak about

00:40:48 ◼   ► about on this show.

00:40:49 ◼   ► Yes, I am replicating Marco's experience in so many different ways.

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00:43:17 ◼   ► So this is the year of Myke.

00:43:20 ◼   ► Myke has been right through all of 2015 so far.

00:43:24 ◼   ► Interesting claims.

00:43:26 ◼   ► Yes, the thing that I'm right the most about is everybody deciding that the 6+ is the phone

00:43:33 ◼   ► for them.

00:43:35 ◼   ► This started on Connected on the Fine Reel FM where both in the same episode Stephen

00:43:41 ◼   ► and Federico professed that I was right about the 6 Plus and its incredible benefits over

00:43:47 ◼   ► every other phone on the market.

00:43:48 ◼   ► And then I was thrilled that this week's episode of our favourite follow-up show, the Accident

00:43:55 ◼   ► Attack podcast, which was a great episode this week in which you could hear the strain

00:44:01 ◼   ► of KC as they went through an entire episode of follow-up.

00:44:05 ◼   ► But then at the end had the best topic ever in which Marco professed his new love for

00:44:11 ◼   ► the 6 Plus, in which they also professed that Myke was right, which enables the hashtag

00:44:17 ◼   ► MykeWasRight to stretch even further.

00:44:20 ◼   ► So you are sitting here in front of me with a 6 Plus right now, a white one.

00:44:25 ◼   ► So I wanted to just take us back to episode one of this show, which was where we reviewed

00:44:32 ◼   ► the iPhones.

00:44:34 ◼   ► And in that episode, I remember you scoffing at the 6 Plus.

00:44:39 ◼   ► Yes, indeed.

00:44:40 ◼   ► This very model, in fact.

00:44:41 ◼   ► This very unit.

00:44:42 ◼   ► It's still that one!

00:44:43 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

00:44:44 ◼   ► Wow, you just hang on to those things.

00:44:45 ◼   ► Yeah, this is why.

00:44:47 ◼   ► This is why.

00:44:48 ◼   ► You gotta live with it.

00:44:49 ◼   ► Spend some time with it.

00:44:50 ◼   ► That's clever.

00:44:51 ◼   ► So then we have you...

00:44:52 ◼   ► Anyway, so this beautiful one right here, straight from Cupertino into Jason Stell's

00:44:56 ◼   ► hands.

00:44:57 ◼   ► Uh-huh.

00:44:58 ◼   ► You said it was too large and just not for you, but I knew it was gonna be the phone

00:45:03 ◼   ► for me and I'm so happy and I continue to be happy with my 6+. So you have been using

00:45:09 ◼   ► this for just a couple of days.

00:45:11 ◼   ► Since I inserted that SIM card at the baggage claim.

00:45:15 ◼   ► So I'm interested to see especially how we are with this on next week's episode. But

00:45:19 ◼   ► what do you think about it? Because now you've used the 6, right? That's the key thing because

00:45:23 ◼   ► you jumped from the 5S to the 6+ in review.

00:45:26 ◼   ► Indeed.

00:45:27 ◼   ► But now you've had that part in the middle.

00:45:29 ◼   ► Yeah, so I mean I chose to bring this because I also had access to an unlocked iPhone 6

00:45:38 ◼   ► so I could have done that and it would have been the same as my phone that I carry at

00:45:42 ◼   ► home and I thought, you know, this is a great opportunity to bring that unlocked 6 Plus

00:45:47 ◼   ► and use it and have some time with it.

00:45:50 ◼   ► Plus, with the battery being larger and me traveling, I thought that might be a good

00:45:55 ◼   ► thing to have and having the bigger screen and if I'm in cases where I'm not, I don't

00:46:03 ◼   ► have access to other technology, I'll have, you know, because I'm not at home and I'm

00:46:06 ◼   ► not as comfortable, I will have this big screen on this big iPhone.

00:46:10 ◼   ► So I had a bunch of reasons to try it.

00:46:13 ◼   ► I don't think I'm going to give you the same narrative as Marco because my initial reactions

00:46:21 ◼   ► are good god it is a huge phone.

00:46:25 ◼   ► The first, I was trying to use it while I was walking

00:46:30 ◼   ► to the tube station and from the tube station in one hand,

00:46:34 ◼   ► as is my want as an iPhone user,

00:46:36 ◼   ► and I had to tap on a button in the lower part of the screen

00:46:41 ◼   ► but it was the lower right and I couldn't reach it.

00:46:45 ◼   ► I almost dropped the phone trying to stretch my thumb over

00:46:47 ◼   ► to reach it and I realized that I needed to use two hands

00:46:51 ◼   ► except that I was carrying something in my other hand.

00:46:54 ◼   ► I only had the one hand free, and I thought,

00:46:58 ◼   ► whoa, this is a big phone.

00:46:59 ◼   ► I cannot reach the other side of it from here.

00:47:01 ◼   ► - There's a special grip.

00:47:02 ◼   ► - Reachability, reachability I could do.

00:47:05 ◼   ► And although I rarely use reachability on the 6,

00:47:08 ◼   ► on the 6 Plus, yesterday I was thinking,

00:47:09 ◼   ► oh, reachability, good, I'm glad I have that.

00:47:12 ◼   ► But reachability doesn't help me get from left to right.

00:47:15 ◼   ► - So I think this is something that you end up getting to.

00:47:19 ◼   ► you develop a confidence with the phone.

00:47:24 ◼   ► So I have like a really weird way of holding it.

00:47:29 ◼   ► Like I am now demonstrating to Jason that if I need--

00:47:31 ◼   ► - This is Myke's iPhone 6 Plus tips.

00:47:34 ◼   ► - If I needed to get to that bottom corner,

00:47:36 ◼   ► I would like throw the phone up into my thumb.

00:47:40 ◼   ► Basically the more you use it--

00:47:41 ◼   ► - Well that's what I did and it was terrifying.

00:47:43 ◼   ► - Yeah, this is the thing,

00:47:46 ◼   ► you need to get more comfortable with it.

00:47:47 ◼   ► I have had some catastrophic drops with this phone.

00:47:50 ◼   ► Because of its size, I did this,

00:47:52 ◼   ► I've done this a couple of times,

00:47:53 ◼   ► you kind of drop it and as you try and catch it,

00:47:55 ◼   ► you hit a corner and it just spins uncontrollably

00:47:58 ◼   ► and hits the floor, which I'm very happy I have a case on it.

00:48:01 ◼   ► I have, for the first time,

00:48:03 ◼   ► I bought AppleCare with this phone

00:48:05 ◼   ► 'cause I knew that there was a bigger chance of dropping it.

00:48:07 ◼   ► That is a thing that over time you start to get used to.

00:48:11 ◼   ► But, so, and also, I know that you're a Twitterrific user.

00:48:15 ◼   ► - Twitterific is totally not built with this phone.

00:48:18 ◼   ► - Yeah, well that was in fact where I felt

00:48:20 ◼   ► the pain was in Twitterific.

00:48:22 ◼   ► - More than any other app that I've used

00:48:24 ◼   ► on a regular basis, that's the one that I struggle

00:48:26 ◼   ► with the most because all of the buttons are at the top,

00:48:29 ◼   ► which is not ideal.

00:48:31 ◼   ► And I do feel this still, that there are many developers

00:48:35 ◼   ► that are not accurately thinking about the size challenges

00:48:40 ◼   ► of even the six with some of this stuff.

00:48:43 ◼   ► Like, I believe you should be able to,

00:48:46 ◼   ► with a lot of those tab bars, have it configurable

00:48:48 ◼   ► so it can sit in other parts of the UI,

00:48:51 ◼   ► especially something like a tab bar.

00:48:53 ◼   ► Like, I know I'm making, like, I'm like professing,

00:48:55 ◼   ► this is easy, just move it, and I'm sure it's not.

00:48:58 ◼   ► But I still feel like there are a lot of apps

00:49:01 ◼   ► that they're putting the navigation where it used to be

00:49:05 ◼   ► rather than where it now maybe should be,

00:49:07 ◼   ► which is in a different part of the device.

00:49:09 ◼   ► Because those far corners,

00:49:12 ◼   ► any corner can actually be hard to hit with these devices.

00:49:15 ◼   ► - Yeah, my problem was where I really felt

00:49:18 ◼   ► it was with the keyboard though,

00:49:20 ◼   ► where I wanted to hit the delete key

00:49:22 ◼   ► and I was holding the phone in my left hand

00:49:24 ◼   ► and my left thumb has to get over there

00:49:27 ◼   ► and I'm walking and I'm thinking to myself,

00:49:29 ◼   ► I can hit that button but I may drop this phone

00:49:32 ◼   ► if I do that.

00:49:33 ◼   ► - So I may, this isn't necessarily a great help

00:49:38 ◼   ► but there's a really great third party keyboard

00:49:40 ◼   ► called Flexi, and one of the functions that it has

00:49:43 ◼   ► is you can squeeze the keyboard over.

00:49:46 ◼   ► So it just occupies two thirds of the keyboard screen.

00:49:49 ◼   ► So it squishes it together,

00:49:51 ◼   ► and it makes it really, really easy for one-handed typing.

00:49:53 ◼   ► It's also a really good keyboard,

00:49:54 ◼   ► this one actually, the Flexi keyboard.

00:49:56 ◼   ► I've only been trying it out for a few days,

00:49:58 ◼   ► but CGP Grey suggested it to me,

00:50:02 ◼   ► because he is a Dvorak keyboard user,

00:50:05 ◼   ► and it has Dvorak, which is, I don't even understand.

00:50:08 ◼   ► I enabled it and I don't get it.

00:50:10 ◼   ► - I'm starting to understand CGP Grey better now.

00:50:13 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:50:15 ◼   ► In the chat room, he says,

00:50:18 ◼   ► "Where did you hear about that keyboard, Myke?"

00:50:20 ◼   ► - Is he there?

00:50:21 ◼   ► - I think, well, somebody identifying as Grey

00:50:23 ◼   ► is in the chat room.

00:50:25 ◼   ► Come on over, Grey, we're in London.

00:50:26 ◼   ► - See, I'm not-- - Head on over.

00:50:28 ◼   ► - I will say nothing more unless you confirm

00:50:30 ◼   ► why I know about this keyboard, 'cause he showed me it.

00:50:33 ◼   ► And he showed me the fact that you can squeeze it up.

00:50:36 ◼   ► It's actually a very good keyboard,

00:50:38 ◼   ► and I do suggest that people should try it out.

00:50:41 ◼   ► But yes, it can be difficult sometimes

00:50:45 ◼   ► to hit certain parts of the interface.

00:50:49 ◼   ► - Yeah, well, I'm gonna live with it.

00:50:51 ◼   ► And I enjoy the big screen and I enjoy the fact

00:50:56 ◼   ► that the battery is bigger and so it lasts longer.

00:51:01 ◼   ► Grace says that he doesn't actually use Dvorak on iOS.

00:51:04 ◼   ► That's just his finger typing or hand typing keyboard.

00:51:08 ◼   ► - I don't know, I have no idea how you could use

00:51:11 ◼   ► two different types of keyboard.

00:51:14 ◼   ► Like on iOS I use this, yeah, very interesting.

00:51:18 ◼   ► So,

00:51:20 ◼   ► obviously one of the great things about the 6+

00:51:26 ◼   ► is the amount of information that you can see

00:51:29 ◼   ► on the screen at once.

00:51:31 ◼   ► do you find that to be significant over the six

00:51:35 ◼   ► like do you feel like you're able to say for example when you read twitter effect

00:51:38 ◼   ► you can obviously see more tweets do you find that to be a an interesting thing

00:51:43 ◼   ► well again only it's only been a day

00:51:45 ◼   ► but no

00:51:47 ◼   ► but i was a convert my i i i'm just i'm remaining skeptical but this is why i'm

00:51:51 ◼   ► doing and it's only day one and i'm going to be here for two weeks and i'm

00:51:54 ◼   ► going to be using this phone

00:51:55 ◼   ► as my phone for two weeks so we'll see how it goes but

00:51:58 ◼   ► uh...

00:52:00 ◼   ► Again, I think I would have been more impressed

00:52:01 ◼   ► coming from the five to the added space of the six plus,

00:52:05 ◼   ► but coming from the six, it's bigger.

00:52:07 ◼   ► It's bigger, everything's bigger.

00:52:10 ◼   ► Everything, there's more of everything.

00:52:12 ◼   ► I actually, I showed this when I was packing up,

00:52:15 ◼   ► I showed this to my wife

00:52:15 ◼   ► and she was really interested in it.

00:52:17 ◼   ► And one of the reasons she,

00:52:19 ◼   ► 'cause she was thinking about it,

00:52:21 ◼   ► 'cause she thought about how,

00:52:22 ◼   ► oh, it's so huge, I would never put that in my pocket.

00:52:24 ◼   ► And then she said, you know what?

00:52:25 ◼   ► I never put my phone in my pocket.

00:52:27 ◼   ► it's always in her purse or in a small bag.

00:52:30 ◼   ► It's not in her pocket.

00:52:33 ◼   ► And then she said,

00:52:36 ◼   ► actually having the bigger screen is nice.

00:52:38 ◼   ► And then she is starting to need reading glasses

00:52:43 ◼   ► and there's the larger mode, display mode on the 6 Plus.

00:52:47 ◼   ► - I forgot that existed.

00:52:48 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, well that's because you're--

00:52:50 ◼   ► - It looks crazy.

00:52:52 ◼   ► - That's because you're young.

00:52:53 ◼   ► But I showed it to her and she said,

00:52:56 ◼   ► wouldn't you always have it like this?" I said, "Well, because you can fit more things

00:52:58 ◼   ► on in the other mode." And she says, "No, no, no, no, no. Why would you not have it

00:53:01 ◼   ► like this, where everything's just bigger and easier to see?" And if you're using

00:53:06 ◼   ► standard-sized, non-crazy phones, things that aren't the 6+, you have to just crank up

00:53:12 ◼   ► the text in the text controls, and then everything looks weird. Whereas if you put it in the

00:53:19 ◼   ► the large print mode it's just like an iPhone 5 except huge. So Gray has now

00:53:27 ◼   ► confirmed to me in the chatroom that he is now using the 6 Plus. Yeah. So this is

00:53:32 ◼   ► what I'm starting to see. So he's another Myke was right convert. Yeah. Now my

00:53:38 ◼   ► feeling about this because obviously Marco was being quite positive about it

00:53:43 ◼   ► I believe that before the end of this trip you will feel very differently about

00:53:46 ◼   ► Strong words, strong words.

00:53:49 ◼   ► Federico is on board now, totally as well.

00:53:53 ◼   ► And my feeling is now, people can see the advantages of the device without being completely

00:53:58 ◼   ► shocked by its size because you've had the stepping stone.

00:54:01 ◼   ► Yeah, I've heard the theory.

00:54:03 ◼   ► I've heard the theory.

00:54:04 ◼   ► I'm holding out hope for you still.

00:54:06 ◼   ► Like because you're going to see.

00:54:09 ◼   ► My soul can still be saved, that's what you're saying.

00:54:11 ◼   ► The battery.

00:54:12 ◼   ► because again you've not really seen the advantage of the battery yet either because you've not been

00:54:16 ◼   ► using it enough but when you see just how far it can take you in a day it's a it is an incredible

00:54:23 ◼   ► thing the six plus is I love that device this device more than many other apple devices it's

00:54:31 ◼   ► because it's like I don't I don't use an ipad anymore I don't need one because I can get so

00:54:36 ◼   ► much out of out of this device talking about this actually reading is one thing and I want to mention

00:54:41 ◼   ► something because obviously we're going to be way out of the loop now because of when

00:54:45 ◼   ► we record. That book comes out tomorrow doesn't it? That Steve Jobs book.

00:54:48 ◼   ► Oh yes. Yes indeed.

00:54:49 ◼   ► Have you seen any of it?

00:54:50 ◼   ► Only the excerpts that Fast Company has been running.

00:54:53 ◼   ► An Upgrading, I can't remember their name now because they tweeted at me earlier, they

00:54:56 ◼   ► picked it up in Waterstones in London already or in the UK somewhere because they've just

00:55:01 ◼   ► got them on the shelves in some places. There is going to be an audiobook I'm very excited

00:55:06 ◼   ► about Audible was doing an audiobook. But yeah, Apple is truly ordaining this book now.

00:55:13 ◼   ► Have you seen it? They tweeted about it, they've seen emails.

00:55:17 ◼   ► There have been a few pieces. Steven Levy wrote about it, Brian Chen wrote about it,

00:55:21 ◼   ► that Apple is publicly backing this as the blessed Steve Jobs book as opposed to the

00:55:27 ◼   ► Isaacson book.

00:55:28 ◼   ► Did you see Eddie Q's tweet?

00:55:29 ◼   ► I didn't see Eddie Q's tweet. I remember in the Jonathan Ive profile where he said, you

00:55:35 ◼   ► know my opinion of the Isaacson book couldn't be lower.

00:55:39 ◼   ► Yeah he said Eddy Kooz is a...

00:55:41 ◼   ► Oh is this one where it's like...

00:55:43 ◼   ► Best Portrayer was about to be released becoming Steve Jobs.

00:55:45 ◼   ► Right that was his reaction to seeing a bunch of Apple people walked out of the of the documentary

00:55:51 ◼   ► about Steve Jobs that was at South by Southwest.

00:55:54 ◼   ► Oh right yes.

00:55:56 ◼   ► And said that's not the Steve that we knew but this book is.

00:56:00 ◼   ► So he was pretty upset I guess at the...

00:56:03 ◼   ► I'm excited about it. I am very excited. Yeah, I pre-ordered it. I'll read it on, maybe on

00:56:09 ◼   ► the train up to Scotland. I'll be listening. You'll be listening? I'll be listening. You

00:56:13 ◼   ► won't be listening to me read it. That would be very quiet. You'll be listening to the

00:56:16 ◼   ► book on Audible. That's what you're saying. Are you a fast reader? I bet you are. I am.

00:56:20 ◼   ► So how, when do you think you'll have it done by? It depends on how much other stuff I have

00:56:24 ◼   ► to do. I also have to edit some podcasts and things like that. But I should, between my

00:56:30 ◼   ► flights and everything I should have some time to to rip through it. It's

00:56:33 ◼   ► interesting though that like there is now this book that Apple is saying is

00:56:38 ◼   ► the right one even though the guy it's about like allowed for a book to be

00:56:43 ◼   ► created which is now considered to be bad. Like Apple is basically shunning the

00:56:51 ◼   ► Isaacson. Yeah well I think what this teaches us is that John Siracusa is

00:56:58 ◼   ► always right. The best episode of Hypercritical. And we should listen to him.

00:57:02 ◼   ► Number 42, The Wrong Guy. The Wrong Guy. God, so good.

00:57:07 ◼   ► Like, when I start typing it into my URL bar, I type in 5x5.tv/hy, that episode comes up

00:57:14 ◼   ► as in my history. I keep this episode of Hypercritical always downloaded because it's just a masterpiece.

00:57:24 ◼   ► If you've never heard John Siracusa ripping into the Isaacson book, there is a treat for

00:57:29 ◼   ► you in our show notes which can be found at relay.fm/upgrade/28.

00:57:37 ◼   ► Or in your podcast app that you're using right now.

00:57:40 ◼   ► Your podcast app of choice.

00:57:41 ◼   ► Right, should we maybe approach some Ask Upgrade?

00:57:45 ◼   ► I'm so excited for next week for when you finally decree that Myke was right.

00:57:49 ◼   ► Okay, interesting.

00:57:50 ◼   ► Maybe I'll do that on the show after when you're not on.

00:57:53 ◼   ► Yeah, because I'm going to miss one in a couple of weeks, so maybe that's when you can give

00:57:58 ◼   ► me the blessing that I've always wished for.

00:58:03 ◼   ► Definitely not declare you completely wrong and ban you from the podcast for not joining

00:58:08 ◼   ► the 6+ cult.

00:58:11 ◼   ► Let's see, we should move on to AskUpgrade right before we do.

00:58:18 ◼   ► We are recording this a couple of hours before we're going to be doing our meetup, so maybe

00:58:22 ◼   ► next week one of our topics can be to talk about the Meetup and also the fact of us doing

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00:58:34 ◼   ► in person. We'll be at OOL, so we'll be seeing a lot of interesting people, so I think that'll

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00:58:42 ◼   ► That should be a lot of fun.

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01:01:20 ◼   ► So Jason, we can speak simultaneously which we can't do when we're completely laggy

01:01:27 ◼   ► because we always have the round trip.

01:01:29 ◼   ► Just all the latency.

01:01:31 ◼   ► We could sing.

01:01:32 ◼   ► We have a zero, let's not do that.

01:01:34 ◼   ► We have zero latency right now.

01:01:35 ◼   ► - We only sing at Christmas.

01:01:37 ◼   ► Listener Neelesh has asked,

01:01:39 ◼   ► what health apps do we currently use

01:01:41 ◼   ► in conjunction with Apple's health app?

01:01:44 ◼   ► - You know, somebody asked me about the health app

01:01:46 ◼   ► the other week and I had to say I used it,

01:01:49 ◼   ► I checked it out right when iOS 8 came out,

01:01:52 ◼   ► which is when nothing worked with it,

01:01:53 ◼   ► and I haven't gone back to it.

01:01:55 ◼   ► - Exactly the same.

01:01:56 ◼   ► I haven't even filled out my information in it.

01:01:59 ◼   ► - And Federico, you know, he's using it.

01:02:01 ◼   ► - I'm using it and I hear people who say that they like it

01:02:04 ◼   ► and it's good and I just have not gotten back to it.

01:02:07 ◼   ► So I'm using pedometer to view my steps.

01:02:11 ◼   ► - Pedometer plus plus from _DavidSmith.

01:02:13 ◼   ► - From _DavidSmith.

01:02:15 ◼   ► - I love that app.

01:02:16 ◼   ► I have it in my notification center.

01:02:18 ◼   ► I love it when I go over 10,000 and I get the confetti

01:02:21 ◼   ► when you open the app.

01:02:21 ◼   ► - Yay!

01:02:23 ◼   ► - But that is the only app that I use.

01:02:24 ◼   ► I don't even think, I assume it's got health app integration

01:02:27 ◼   ► but I've not tied them together in a way.

01:02:29 ◼   ► - It does.

01:02:30 ◼   ► or at least they're both reading the same data from the same sensors.

01:02:32 ◼   ► Of course. So they'll show it.

01:02:33 ◼   ► So that's the answer is I think I think I need to revisit it.

01:02:37 ◼   ► But it also, I think, shows the power of

01:02:39 ◼   ► of having not necessarily a negative experience,

01:02:44 ◼   ► but having kind of a zero experience with sometimes they bump.

01:02:46 ◼   ► Apple will bundle an app that doesn't have any support yet,

01:02:50 ◼   ► which makes sense. It's a real chicken and egg problem.

01:02:52 ◼   ► They have to have the app there.

01:02:53 ◼   ► But when I first wanted to use it, there wasn't anything there.

01:02:57 ◼   ► and so then I sort of like shrugged and said,

01:02:59 ◼   ► "Oh, this isn't interesting."

01:03:00 ◼   ► - It was for like an hour and then took it all away again.

01:03:03 ◼   ► - Right.

01:03:04 ◼   ► - And it was a really botched launch of the health app.

01:03:06 ◼   ► - So it's too bad, but I do need to revisit it then.

01:03:08 ◼   ► Absolutely.

01:03:09 ◼   ► - I feel like a lot of this sort of stuff

01:03:10 ◼   ► was in advance of the watch,

01:03:12 ◼   ► and I think that the watch will be forcing us

01:03:14 ◼   ► into a way of using it,

01:03:15 ◼   ► because it just does it automatically.

01:03:17 ◼   ► So maybe that's when I'll start checking it out

01:03:19 ◼   ► a little bit more. - Maybe so.

01:03:21 ◼   ► - Listen to Chris, he's wrote in,

01:03:23 ◼   ► "The weirdest thing about the USB Type-C to Chris

01:03:27 ◼   ► is that all the iOS devices come with a standard USB cable.

01:03:31 ◼   ► - Right, now first we'll point out,

01:03:32 ◼   ► this is not a question.

01:03:34 ◼   ► - It's a statement.

01:03:35 ◼   ► - Yes, so #telupgrade.

01:03:37 ◼   ► - Don't, please.

01:03:38 ◼   ► - We don't need another.

01:03:39 ◼   ► But that is, I mean, we've spoken about this.

01:03:40 ◼   ► - Yes.

01:03:41 ◼   ► - It is really interesting that if you have

01:03:44 ◼   ► any Apple devices, they come with cables

01:03:47 ◼   ► that you can't yet use with the iOS devices

01:03:50 ◼   ► and the new MacBook Air.

01:03:52 ◼   ► - I'm a little surprised that the MacBook

01:03:54 ◼   ► doesn't come with an adapter or that Apple doesn't

01:03:58 ◼   ► sell a lightning to USB-C cable, although that probably would be an

01:04:04 ◼   ► adapter in and of itself. But the thing is,

01:04:07 ◼   ► from Apple's perspective when looking at its device, why?

01:04:11 ◼   ► Yeah, right, well that's a fair point. Why would you have them? Why do you need to

01:04:14 ◼   ► connect those two devices? And I think we said this

01:04:16 ◼   ► maybe last week is, you know, Apple's take on this is why would you connect them?

01:04:20 ◼   ► There's no need.

01:04:21 ◼   ► That there are edge cases where you would sync over a wire, but that they've got Wi-Fi

01:04:26 ◼   ► sync and they've got cloud sync, and that's all you need.

01:04:29 ◼   ► Because the idea of this MacBook Air is we're not thinking about edge cases.

01:04:34 ◼   ► Like, it is a non-edge case computer.

01:04:36 ◼   ► The edge cases should use another computer.

01:04:39 ◼   ► It may be that, you know, as we move to USB Type-C everywhere, that at some point they

01:04:45 ◼   ► they will introduce an iPhone that uses USB type C.

01:04:49 ◼   ► - Do you think they will do that?

01:04:51 ◼   ► - Well, maybe not.

01:04:52 ◼   ► I mean, maybe what I'm saying is a lightning

01:04:54 ◼   ► to USB type C connector in the box.

01:04:56 ◼   ► And that will be what's expected

01:04:58 ◼   ► and you'll need to convert it to go the other way.

01:05:00 ◼   ► But there's such an installed base

01:05:02 ◼   ► with the existing USB ports that it's very weird.

01:05:05 ◼   ► It's a very weird situation.

01:05:06 ◼   ► And I don't think they're gonna ship with two

01:05:08 ◼   ► in the box, right?

01:05:09 ◼   ► - You'll just have to buy one of the adapters.

01:05:11 ◼   ► And this leads on to listener Ben

01:05:14 ◼   ► is talking about what we were just alluding to, maybe putting USB-C connectors onto the

01:05:20 ◼   ► iOS devices. Now, I don't see that ever happening.

01:05:23 ◼   ► No, I mean, from what I can see, Lightning is designed specifically to be different from

01:05:30 ◼   ► what USB-C does, and it's a subset, it's simplification, and that's good for Apple's iOS devices, but

01:05:37 ◼   ► that also means that putting Lightning on a laptop doesn't make sense, and it means,

01:05:41 ◼   ► I think putting USB-C on an iPhone doesn't necessarily make sense.

01:05:45 ◼   ► Now I could see a scenario where they built in maybe some smart technology so that you

01:05:52 ◼   ► could use a lightning to USB-C plug or a lightning to USB plug and they wouldn't need any extra

01:05:59 ◼   ► intelligence in the plug that the phone or the iOS device would have that intelligence

01:06:04 ◼   ► and be able to sense what kind of a device is connected.

01:06:09 ◼   ► I could see something like that happening but I have a hard time thinking that they

01:06:14 ◼   ► would just switch over.

01:06:15 ◼   ► I think that's going to be a while.

01:06:18 ◼   ► Yergin, will you be able to pair for instance business and personal iPhones with your Apple

01:06:24 ◼   ► Watch?

01:06:25 ◼   ► Your night phone and your day phone.

01:06:26 ◼   ► Yeah, your night phone and day phone.

01:06:27 ◼   ► Or as far as we're aware, is it just one at a time?

01:06:31 ◼   ► As far as I can tell it's a one to one relationship.

01:06:35 ◼   ► You would just choose I guess.

01:06:36 ◼   ► just go into the Apple Watch app and just pair it with... You'd have to do it manually

01:06:40 ◼   ► I would assume because that's way too confusing I think. Yeah. Because how would it know what...

01:06:45 ◼   ► Like if all the devices are in the same house, funnelling all of the communication to the

01:06:51 ◼   ► watch I don't think would make sense. No. You'd have to go in and change it. Yeah. It

01:06:54 ◼   ► would be like unpair from one, unpair from the other. I would think. I would think. And

01:06:57 ◼   ► then another Apple Watch question from Gary. Will the Apple Watch have a do not disturb

01:07:02 ◼   ► mode so it doesn't turn on if you check it in the movie theater.

01:07:06 ◼   ► Now I don't have an answer for this but I think it's a great question. I would imagine

01:07:11 ◼   ► it would but I don't know. I think having Do Not Disturb on the watch makes sense and

01:07:16 ◼   ► then the movie theater is fascinating and somebody else, actually listener Clive, asked

01:07:22 ◼   ► can you turn off the auto display on the Apple Watch and change it to tap to display because

01:07:26 ◼   ► he's a truck driver. And I would think that you would need a Do Not Disturb mode and you

01:07:31 ◼   ► would also need the ability to turn off motion-based screen activation because if you're in the

01:07:39 ◼   ► movie theater and you move your hand, your wrist is going to light up and is that light

01:07:42 ◼   ► not going to disturb the people around you?

01:07:45 ◼   ► I know there is a Do Not Disturb mode because I've seen it.

01:07:49 ◼   ► Because I've seen it somewhere on Apple's website where it also says you can set the

01:07:53 ◼   ► watch to Do Not Disturb or you can set them both to Do Not Disturb and I think it's the

01:07:57 ◼   ► same for Airplane mode.

01:07:58 ◼   ► So you could do that on the watch device.

01:08:00 ◼   ► I think you could do it in the companion app.

01:08:03 ◼   ► But the idea of tapping to get the time is interesting

01:08:07 ◼   ► 'cause it would also save you on battery life, I think.

01:08:09 ◼   ► I think people would want to make that decision.

01:08:13 ◼   ► - Right, right.

01:08:14 ◼   ► And I can see Apple saying,

01:08:15 ◼   ► "There are valid reasons why you would want to do this."

01:08:18 ◼   ► So we'll take the hit of the extra complication

01:08:20 ◼   ► of having that as a setting.

01:08:23 ◼   ► - Yeah, I'm interested to see what that's gonna look like.

01:08:26 ◼   ► There is all these little things

01:08:28 ◼   ► And this is why my mind keeps going back

01:08:31 ◼   ► to the iPhone introduction,

01:08:33 ◼   ► where we have all these questions

01:08:34 ◼   ► which are so simple from a fundamental level.

01:08:36 ◼   ► - But if you don't know, you don't know.

01:08:37 ◼   ► - But we don't know the answers.

01:08:38 ◼   ► And because I remember--

01:08:40 ◼   ► - Half the questions Dan and I got

01:08:42 ◼   ► for our iPhone FAQ story, we don't have answers to.

01:08:46 ◼   ► We have a little triage space in the document

01:08:48 ◼   ► where it's like, can we answer this question?

01:08:50 ◼   ► No, no, no, no, no.

01:08:51 ◼   ► We just don't know.

01:08:52 ◼   ► - I could take an educated guess, but I don't know.

01:08:55 ◼   ► Like I remember pouring through the information

01:08:59 ◼   ► about the iPhone to see if when you put it in silent

01:09:02 ◼   ► it had vibration, 'cause it didn't clear,

01:09:05 ◼   ► this is the original iPhone, it didn't clearly say

01:09:08 ◼   ► that it turned on a vibrate motor when it was in silent.

01:09:10 ◼   ► - Right.

01:09:11 ◼   ► - And I needed to know if it did that,

01:09:12 ◼   ► and it seems so basic now, but I couldn't find an answer.

01:09:16 ◼   ► - Right.

01:09:17 ◼   ► - So I had to wait. - You had to wait.

01:09:17 ◼   ► - So there's all these little things,

01:09:18 ◼   ► because they're so basic that Apple's not gonna talk

01:09:21 ◼   ► about them on stage, they're not gonna put them

01:09:22 ◼   ► all in the press, like on all the press stuff,

01:09:24 ◼   ► 'cause it's so simple.

01:09:25 ◼   ► - This is why I end up posting,

01:09:27 ◼   ► when I get one of these products in advance

01:09:29 ◼   ► and go out from under the embargo,

01:09:31 ◼   ► the first thing I do is say,

01:09:32 ◼   ► "Okay, does anybody have any questions?" on Twitter.

01:09:35 ◼   ► Because then I-- - You get

01:09:36 ◼   ► the really interesting stuff.

01:09:37 ◼   ► - And then I can answer them.

01:09:39 ◼   ► Because I actually have the product and can answer it.

01:09:42 ◼   ► But at this point, I don't have the product,

01:09:43 ◼   ► and if I did, I couldn't answer them.

01:09:45 ◼   ► - That's one of my favorite things

01:09:46 ◼   ► when the embargoes lift on these products.

01:09:48 ◼   ► And you see people like yourself and John Gruber saying,

01:09:51 ◼   ► "What are your questions?"

01:09:52 ◼   ► 'cause you find out these tiny little tidbits of information

01:09:56 ◼   ► which are really, really interesting.

01:09:58 ◼   ► - But Apple is never gonna talk about them, 'cause why?

01:10:00 ◼   ► - No, 'cause why would you?

01:10:01 ◼   ► Because the amount of information

01:10:02 ◼   ► that they would then need to give is way too much

01:10:05 ◼   ► that you wouldn't be able to comb for real.

01:10:07 ◼   ► So I'm really interested to see, I mean,

01:10:09 ◼   ► it's gotta be a couple of weeks until the embargo list.

01:10:16 ◼   ► When do you think it will be, pre-order time?

01:10:18 ◼   ► Or after?

01:10:18 ◼   ► - That would be my guess would be pre-order time.

01:10:20 ◼   ► - So the April 10th.

01:10:21 ◼   ► So maybe it lists a couple days before, 8th or 9th?

01:10:24 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't know. Maybe.

01:10:25 ◼   ► I personally haven't heard of, and I don't know if you do, and I don't want to ask,

01:10:29 ◼   ► of anybody that has got a device or has been offered one.

01:10:33 ◼   ► I know there were some briefings after the event, although it didn't seem like there were very many.

01:10:38 ◼   ► And that was so unlike most of these events, which it's two weeks before the release date.

01:10:42 ◼   ► This was more than a month before the release date.

01:10:46 ◼   ► So, did Apple really give a small group of people?

01:10:50 ◼   ► Apple watches under a month-long embargo? Maybe.

01:10:54 ◼   ► They did it with a phone? The original phone? I mean it's only a very small select group,

01:10:58 ◼   ► but they had it for a time and it was just then.

01:11:00 ◼   ► Yeah, but this is a long amount of time. It's possible that they have, but I actually can say

01:11:06 ◼   ► I don't know anybody for sure who's got one. It wouldn't make sense to me to give people

01:11:10 ◼   ► in a longer period because this is something you have to integrate into your life.

01:11:13 ◼   ► I think you do need to live with it. I think it would be smart if they did give a select group.

01:11:19 ◼   ► Also it'll be an interesting, people were talking about this on Twitter, it'll be an interesting

01:11:22 ◼   ► selection of people who get it because I imagine it will be a very different selection from what

01:11:28 ◼   ► we're used to. It's a swath of different industries. Right, there'll be fashion and fitness and

01:11:33 ◼   ► they'll be watchmaking. Yeah, there'll be lots of different ones. I think that'll be great.

01:11:37 ◼   ► This comes from listener Angus. The space black stainless steel watch is only available with a

01:11:43 ◼   ► the black link bracelet, unlike the regular steel.

01:11:45 ◼   ► Why do you think this is?

01:11:47 ◼   ► - Exclusivity.

01:11:49 ◼   ► - It's fashion, it's fashion, Angus, this is what it is.

01:11:51 ◼   ► - Yeah, and also under fashion, what did we say?

01:11:56 ◼   ► Because fashion?

01:11:58 ◼   ► - Because fashion.

01:11:59 ◼   ► I think that I look at that black stainless steel watch

01:12:03 ◼   ► as the addition of the lower models.

01:12:07 ◼   ► So it is more expensive, you can only buy it

01:12:09 ◼   ► in that configuration, it seems like.

01:12:11 ◼   ► So it feels to me like the, I want to be special

01:12:14 ◼   ► but I don't have $17,000.

01:12:17 ◼   ► So I look at that watch like that.

01:12:19 ◼   ► It's the high-end version.

01:12:22 ◼   ► So you can only buy it in that way.

01:12:24 ◼   ► That's how I see that one.

01:12:26 ◼   ► Whether it is that way or not, I don't know.

01:12:28 ◼   ► But there's so much, 'cause I've been talking

01:12:31 ◼   ► to lots of people on Twitter.

01:12:32 ◼   ► I've had people say to me, if I had conversations

01:12:34 ◼   ► with the Apple reps in the interactive chat

01:12:37 ◼   ► who have said you'll be able to completely customize it

01:12:39 ◼   ► check out and get whatever strap you want, we don't know.

01:12:42 ◼   ► No.

01:12:43 ◼   ► Flat out, we don't know.

01:12:44 ◼   ► We are effectively, we have more information than we did before the event about what bands

01:12:48 ◼   ► are available, but until April 10th, we actually don't really know what you're going to be

01:12:52 ◼   ► able to buy.

01:12:53 ◼   ► And they may be able to, they may even change it up, right?

01:12:57 ◼   ► We don't know.

01:12:58 ◼   ► I think there was an argument about either the Space Black being too hard to make or

01:13:06 ◼   ► or too expensive to make and so they limited it.

01:13:10 ◼   ► Or because fashion, they felt like the only one that it really looked good with was matched

01:13:16 ◼   ► with a black.

01:13:17 ◼   ► It's almost like somebody made the argument like, "Well, you should only make this watch

01:13:22 ◼   ► if you can pair it with a band of the same material.

01:13:25 ◼   ► And if you can do that, we could sell that."

01:13:27 ◼   ► And so there's some reason why they feel like these are harmonious together in a way that

01:13:31 ◼   ► other others aren't and that's just what we have to do.

01:13:34 ◼   ► It's like the edition bands.

01:13:36 ◼   ► You only get the edition bands with the edition.

01:13:38 ◼   ► It doesn't look like you can buy the gold ones, just if you want to.

01:13:44 ◼   ► We'll see.

01:13:45 ◼   ► Now we're in a list.

01:13:47 ◼   ► Fred says, "We need a cheese and wine vertical."

01:13:50 ◼   ► We can definitely look into that.

01:13:53 ◼   ► We're going to the meet up, so that could be.

01:13:55 ◼   ► I'm not a big wine fan, although I like red wine occasionally.

01:14:00 ◼   ► me a Zinfandel or a Cabernet Sauvignon or something like that, but I prefer beer to

01:14:06 ◼   ► wine. I prefer beer and wine to mixed drinks though, so I'm really a lightweight is what

01:14:12 ◼   ► I'm saying.

01:14:13 ◼   ► >> He's just a simple man.

01:14:14 ◼   ► >> But yeah, exactly. But listener John does have an ask upgrade for the cheese and wine

01:14:19 ◼   ► vertical.

01:14:20 ◼   ► >> Yes, so we have from John, you are a do it yourself kind of guy, Jason, you like beer.

01:14:26 ◼   ► Have you ever made your own beer? Have you ever done a home brewery type thing?

01:14:30 ◼   ► So one of my former co-workers actually was a home brewer and he brought in his beer for

01:14:35 ◼   ► everybody and it was pretty good.

01:14:37 ◼   ► My stock answer to this is to say this is -- I do like beer.

01:14:43 ◼   ► I like beer so much that I'm not going to make beer.

01:14:46 ◼   ► I feel like --

01:14:47 ◼   ► Don't ruin beer, Jason.

01:14:48 ◼   ► I feel like the amount -- unlike some things where I would be taking fresh ingredients

01:14:52 ◼   ► and making pickles or jam or something like that, with this, I feel like I'm going to

01:15:00 ◼   ► have to invest in a lot of different funny ingredients to make something that probably

01:15:05 ◼   ► is never going to satisfy me at the same level as something that is made by one of the high-quality

01:15:11 ◼   ► craft brewers that I can buy beer from. And if I was living in a world where the only

01:15:17 ◼   ► beer I could buy was mass-produced stuff and not in a style I liked, I would make it myself.

01:15:22 ◼   ► But I feel like there are so many beers that I can get very easily that I really do like

01:15:27 ◼   ► But I am not going to start making beer in my bathtub.

01:15:32 ◼   ► I can't.

01:15:34 ◼   ► And I don't have the time for it anyway.

01:15:36 ◼   ► It's much easier for me to bake something one weekend than it is to brew beer.

01:15:39 ◼   ► I don't have the space for it.

01:15:41 ◼   ► I don't have the time for it.

01:15:42 ◼   ► And quite frankly, I think in the end, it wouldn't really make me that happy because

01:15:47 ◼   ► I don't think it would be appreciably better and probably would be appreciably worse than

01:15:51 ◼   ► what I can buy because I can buy good stuff.

01:15:53 ◼   ► I'm not limited to just the bad stuff.

01:15:56 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean I see that kind of thing where it's like I already like things in the world

01:16:01 ◼   ► that people are making professionally and there's nothing that I need.

01:16:07 ◼   ► Like I don't think, "Oh, I like this beer but only if it did this to the point where

01:16:12 ◼   ► I then feel like I need to go ahead and make it."

01:16:15 ◼   ► So I'm on board with you with that one.

01:16:17 ◼   ► Plus I also have like a distinct fear that I would poison myself in some way.

01:16:23 ◼   ► So I try and steer clear of that kind of thing.

01:16:26 ◼   ► So Jason, I think we've come to the end of our Ask Upgrade this week, which probably

01:16:29 ◼   ► brings us to the end of our first live and in-person episode of Upgrade.

01:16:33 ◼   ► It's good, we should do one again next week.

01:16:34 ◼   ► Well that's a really good idea, why don't we do that?

01:16:37 ◼   ► Why don't we do it from a completely different country?

01:16:39 ◼   ► Okay, that's a great idea.

01:16:40 ◼   ► Well I already did that for this one, but we can do it again.

01:16:44 ◼   ► There was actually one other Ask Upgrade and I think I just pasted in the wrong one.

01:16:49 ◼   ► It was, somebody else asked me to talk about my favorite beers.

01:16:54 ◼   ► So I will very quickly say I like Stouts and Porters.

01:16:57 ◼   ► People always think that means Guinness.

01:16:59 ◼   ► Guinness is perfectly okay, although I kind of refer to it as the Budweiser of Stouts.

01:17:04 ◼   ► It's available everywhere and it's, well, it's better than Budweiser.

01:17:07 ◼   ► It's fine.

01:17:08 ◼   ► Maybe we can have some this weekend.

01:17:10 ◼   ► But there are other dark beers that I prefer to that.

01:17:14 ◼   ► And my favorite right now, my favorite beers back home would be, I like the Anchor Porter,

01:17:22 ◼   ► I like the Stone Milk Stout.

01:17:27 ◼   ► Those are probably my favorites.

01:17:28 ◼   ► Sierra Nevada Porter used to be one of my favorites and the Blackbeard Porter is also

01:17:32 ◼   ► really good.

01:17:33 ◼   ► I like the English style Porters a little bit more than the Stouts and I guess that

01:17:37 ◼   ► puts me in England over Ireland.

01:17:39 ◼   ► And next week ask me and I'll say the Guinness is the best.

01:17:42 ◼   ► Let's hope that the border guards haven't heard that because they will not let you in.

01:17:47 ◼   ► Thank you so much for listening to this episode.

01:17:50 ◼   ► I hope that it has been as much fun for you as it has been for us.

01:17:53 ◼   ► It's a very interesting experience and I appreciate everybody who has listened live as well.

01:17:58 ◼   ► So thank you for tuning in.

01:17:59 ◼   ► We will be live again hopefully.

01:18:00 ◼   ► Hopefully.

01:18:01 ◼   ► Hopefully next week.

01:18:02 ◼   ► Internet connections willing in Ireland.

01:18:03 ◼   ► Yeah, equipment willing.

01:18:04 ◼   ► We'll talk about that.

01:18:05 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:18:06 ◼   ► So look out for that.

01:18:08 ◼   ► We'll be tweeting.

01:18:09 ◼   ► Me and Jason will do it individually.

01:18:10 ◼   ► J.J. Jase is @JSnL, J-S-N-E-L-L, and I am @imike, I-M-Y-K-E. But also, we have a sentient

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01:18:25 ◼   ► it chooses to do it. And it's a lot of fun, that Twitter account. I don't know how it

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01:18:37 ◼   ► We'll have to find out and I want to thank our sponsors for this week our friends over at mail route hover and Harry's

01:18:43 ◼   ► But most of all thank you for listening

01:18:45 ◼   ► Don't forget Jason writes over at the fantastic six colors calm which has a you in it this week, which is incredible

01:18:52 ◼   ► Yes, I'm very happy to see

01:18:54 ◼   ► That we have changed to to the correct. Well while I'm here we have to spell it with you

01:19:01 ◼   ► It's the right thing to do and thank you all for listening and we'll be back next time

01:19:06 ◼   ► Goodbye, Myke Hurley. Shake hands again.

01:19:08 ◼   ► Yay! We did it!

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