Upgrade

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00:00:08 ◼   ► From Relay FM, this is Upgrade episode number 40. Today's show is brought to you by Hover,

00:00:13 ◼   ► simplified domain management, MailRoute, a secure hosted email service for protection from viruses

00:00:18 ◼   ► and spam, and Field Notes. I'm not writing it down to remember it later, I'm writing it down

00:00:23 ◼   ► to remember it now. My name is Myke Curley and I am joined in person live and in San Francisco

00:00:28 ◼   ► by Mr. Jason Snow. Hi Myke, so this is three times we've done this in person out of 40

00:00:32 ◼   ► shows now. Once, twice, three times a podcast. Mm-hmm. And I love you. Thank you so much.

00:00:38 ◼   ► In the words of Lionel Richie. So we are, uh... We're on my turf now. We're out of the British

00:00:44 ◼   ► Isles. Forget that, this is California baby. So we're what, like an hour or two after the

00:00:48 ◼   ► keynote has just finished? Yeah, yeah, a couple hours after the keynote we're recording this.

00:00:55 ◼   ► long keynote today.

00:00:57 ◼   ► It was a little over. By Google I/O standards it was short, but by Apple keynote standards

00:01:01 ◼   ► it was a little bit long.

00:01:02 ◼   ► You were in the room today as we discussed last week.

00:01:04 ◼   ► Yes, sir.

00:01:05 ◼   ► So how was it today? Did you take notes? Did you do full on live blogging?

00:01:09 ◼   ► I took notes. I did, I sent a few tweets, but Dan Morin was sitting right next to me

00:01:16 ◼   ► and he handled the Six Colors Event account for live blogging, which was great. And I

00:01:21 ◼   ► I dropped a few tweets here and there,

00:01:22 ◼   ► but I spent most of the time watching the presentation

00:01:25 ◼   ► and taking some notes in my own little notes document.

00:01:29 ◼   ► - And how did that feel?

00:01:30 ◼   ► - It was a little weird.

00:01:32 ◼   ► It was good.

00:01:33 ◼   ► There were moments when I suddenly realized

00:01:34 ◼   ► I was typing a lot and that that probably meant

00:01:36 ◼   ► that I was thinking I was live blogging,

00:01:39 ◼   ► but it was for an audience of one.

00:01:41 ◼   ► And then I would slow down and say,

00:01:43 ◼   ► what do I really want to write down here?

00:01:45 ◼   ► It's, you know, shifting from verbatim note-taking mode

00:01:48 ◼   ► into what's the big picture,

00:01:49 ◼   ► leaving myself little notes,

00:01:50 ◼   ► which is something that I don't normally do

00:01:52 ◼   ► if I'm live blogging, like this is important,

00:01:54 ◼   ► this was a surprise, this was, you know,

00:01:57 ◼   ► a couple points I kind of wanted to emphasize,

00:02:00 ◼   ► this is important even though

00:02:02 ◼   ► they didn't make a big deal out of it.

00:02:04 ◼   ► So that was different.

00:02:05 ◼   ► - 'Cause last week, you were very much in the impression

00:02:09 ◼   ► that you weren't gonna do that this time.

00:02:11 ◼   ► - One big difference is that Dan got into the keynote,

00:02:14 ◼   ► which we were asking Apple

00:02:16 ◼   ► if they would consider letting him in, and they did,

00:02:18 ◼   ► And so, you know, we found that out a little while ago.

00:02:22 ◼   ► It wasn't today, but --

00:02:24 ◼   ► And that changed -- That made it very easy for me

00:02:27 ◼   ► to make the decision to sort of take a step back.

00:02:29 ◼   ► And that way, I could pay more close attention during the event.

00:02:33 ◼   ► Then we had -- You know, we ran out afterward,

00:02:35 ◼   ► got some lunch, and came here to record this,

00:02:37 ◼   ► and then I will, you know, start writing some stuff.

00:02:40 ◼   ► And I think that's good.

00:02:42 ◼   ► I think that's nice.

00:02:43 ◼   ► -So, I watched the keynote in the hotel,

00:02:47 ◼   ► in the Park 55, the release notes guys who had the podcast

00:02:50 ◼   ► and the conference that I'm gonna be speaking at,

00:02:53 ◼   ► they put on like a viewing and it was great.

00:02:55 ◼   ► We had a bunch of people there.

00:02:57 ◼   ► I love watching the keynote with people because it's fun.

00:03:00 ◼   ► People make jokes, they laugh, they cheer,

00:03:02 ◼   ► that kind of thing.

00:03:03 ◼   ► That was a lot of fun.

00:03:04 ◼   ► - I love watching keynotes with people, Myke.

00:03:06 ◼   ► - Yep, well you get a special.

00:03:08 ◼   ► - And I always do because I'm with all the people

00:03:11 ◼   ► in the room.

00:03:12 ◼   ► No, you say that and I think it's funny

00:03:14 ◼   ► 'cause it can be a solitary experience

00:03:16 ◼   ► you're just a person at home watching on the live stream it is way more fun to

00:03:20 ◼   ► have an audience there. But there's the big one or the small one.

00:03:23 ◼   ► People are making jokes and stuff like that because I can't I never go on

00:03:26 ◼   ► Twitter during because it's too much it's impossible to keep up with and I

00:03:31 ◼   ► can't concentrate on what's happening if I'm watching you know people joking

00:03:36 ◼   ► around and stuff which is which is admittedly a lot of fun but it I can't

00:03:40 ◼   ► concentrate and then I get all lost.

00:03:43 ◼   ► Right I understand that.

00:03:45 ◼   ► So we should probably just dive in and I figure we'll talk about some of the things that came up today

00:03:49 ◼   ► but do them in the presentation order as is as you know as we want to do in these scenarios.

00:03:55 ◼   ► So let's start off with OS X El Capitan. Yes. I hate that name. I just want to put that out there.

00:04:01 ◼   ► I think it's awkward to say. So why do you yeah so that's why? Is it like Mavericks awkward? I think

00:04:06 ◼   ► it's more awkward because Mavericks was one word. This is El Capitan. El Capitan. Like that is a

00:04:11 ◼   ► is a long and awkward thing to say.

00:04:14 ◼   ► - Four syllables.

00:04:15 ◼   ► - It looks kinda strange written down.

00:04:19 ◼   ► So El Capitan is inside of Yosemite National Park, right?

00:04:23 ◼   ► - El Capitan is a giant granite cliff,

00:04:26 ◼   ► granite monolith inside Yosemite National Park.

00:04:30 ◼   ► So this is Apple's equivalent of snow leopard

00:04:34 ◼   ► or mountain lion by saying it's still essentially

00:04:38 ◼   ► a Yosemite class operating system.

00:04:41 ◼   ► - I think that, I don't know enough about Yosemite,

00:04:44 ◼   ► but I guess they had very limited options

00:04:46 ◼   ► if they wanted to go that route.

00:04:47 ◼   ► - Well, they could have called it Half Dome,

00:04:49 ◼   ► but that's weird.

00:04:50 ◼   ► - That's much worse.

00:04:51 ◼   ► Okay, I will accept El Capitan for the reason

00:04:54 ◼   ► that they chose it, if that makes sense.

00:04:56 ◼   ► But I just think as a product name,

00:04:58 ◼   ► it is not a good product name.

00:05:00 ◼   ► - They could have called it Glacier Point, I suppose,

00:05:02 ◼   ► or something. - That's nicer.

00:05:03 ◼   ► That's much nicer. - El Capitan.

00:05:06 ◼   ► Oh no, it is interesting that it's still a Yosemite theme.

00:05:11 ◼   ► Maybe that means that we can have that great Yosemite conference again.

00:05:14 ◼   ► Go back to Yosemite.

00:05:15 ◼   ► Yeah, so the crown stays in the Sierra Nevadas in Yosemite

00:05:21 ◼   ► for another upgrade cycle.

00:05:23 ◼   ► - Experience and performance.

00:05:25 ◼   ► This seemed to be the mantra of the day.

00:05:29 ◼   ► Both OS X, they've said that for a--

00:05:31 ◼   ► they kind of hinted towards that of iOS as well.

00:05:34 ◼   ► So the experience is a few features, basically a smattering of features,

00:05:37 ◼   ► and then performance is basically Apple saying,

00:05:41 ◼   ► "Yes, we are fixing the issues."

00:05:43 ◼   ► - Yeah, they also use the phrase,

00:05:44 ◼   ► "Refinements and advances,"

00:05:47 ◼   ► which I thought was interesting.

00:05:50 ◼   ► This is their way of saying without saying it.

00:05:55 ◼   ► We are concerned about speed and stability,

00:05:59 ◼   ► which are the things that people have been talking about

00:06:01 ◼   ► with the Mac and with iOS.

00:06:04 ◼   ► And so they said that, "Refinements and advances,

00:06:06 ◼   ► speed and stability, ways to make,

00:06:10 ◼   ► you know, it's not like they're not adding features,

00:06:12 ◼   ► but the idea that they're trying to make things faster,

00:06:14 ◼   ► they talked a lot about changing some of the underlying

00:06:16 ◼   ► technology to make things faster.

00:06:18 ◼   ► And, you know, I at least choose to read between the lines

00:06:21 ◼   ► that taking some time just to smooth off

00:06:24 ◼   ► some of the rough edges is one of the things

00:06:26 ◼   ► that they're doing as a part of this too,

00:06:28 ◼   ► although they didn't, it's not like they came out and said,

00:06:30 ◼   ► we're gonna take a lot of time to fix bugs,

00:06:32 ◼   ► but I think that's, at least you can read that

00:06:35 ◼   ► into what they said. If that is what they are doing, I appreciate this. The same with iOS is

00:06:40 ◼   ► they didn't just do this. There is some stuff here. I think probably the biggest thing that's

00:06:46 ◼   ► been added to El Capitan is window management. A lot more options for window management. So we have

00:06:52 ◼   ► an updated mission control. They've made it and also like switching between spaces and stuff like

00:06:59 ◼   ► that has been made to be performing better. On my retina MacBook Pro that is one of the most

00:07:03 ◼   ► frustrating things for me. Sometimes I swipe and nothing happens for like a

00:07:06 ◼   ► second and then I move over. So that's something I'm happy to see that they're

00:07:10 ◼   ► looking at fixing. I love Mission Control. That is how I use that a lot. I use

00:07:14 ◼   ► spaces and full screen and stuff like that so I'm happy to see anything change

00:07:18 ◼   ► there. I thought some of the stuff looked really good like you could drag a window

00:07:22 ◼   ► up to the top and create a new desktop with it. I thought that was really nice.

00:07:25 ◼   ► But one of the big things that they're pushing and we'll probably talk about

00:07:28 ◼   ► about this in another context in a little bit is Split View.

00:07:31 ◼   ► So there is an app called Moom, is that right?

00:07:35 ◼   ► M-O-M? - Yeah, Moom, yeah.

00:07:36 ◼   ► For many tricks.

00:07:37 ◼   ► - And this is a similar kind of idea in that?

00:07:40 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean, Moom is super flexible,

00:07:42 ◼   ► but the thing is that Moom is a utility by a third party,

00:07:46 ◼   ► and with this view, you've got the split screen mode

00:07:50 ◼   ► and all of that, it's in a system, right?

00:07:53 ◼   ► So Apple has the ability to do things

00:07:57 ◼   ► that no third party can do.

00:07:59 ◼   ► And so that's what they've done here.

00:08:00 ◼   ► Moom lets you set, like put these,

00:08:01 ◼   ► tile these windows and move this window over there.

00:08:04 ◼   ► And this is a very much sort of saying,

00:08:06 ◼   ► I want two apps on the screen at once.

00:08:08 ◼   ► And you can do that with regular windows,

00:08:10 ◼   ► but you have to manage them.

00:08:11 ◼   ► And this is stuff we've seen,

00:08:12 ◼   ► Microsoft did some of this in Windows 8,

00:08:15 ◼   ► but it's a nice, like,

00:08:19 ◼   ► it is very much like mission control

00:08:21 ◼   ► in that it's about sort of simplifying

00:08:24 ◼   ► the window management experience.

00:08:26 ◼   ► and if you're an old school Mac user who just wants to have your Windows where you want

00:08:30 ◼   ► them you can still do that, but if you're in a, I find myself sometimes in a mode where

00:08:35 ◼   ► I really just want two apps in front and single window mode won't do that, the full screen

00:08:43 ◼   ► mode won't do that, and so this is in between full screen mode and the freeform mode, and

00:08:48 ◼   ► I think that's good.

00:08:49 ◼   ► - And they made some other enhancements like with Mail, they put some gestures in there

00:08:54 ◼   ► fine but with full screen you can kind of move the message pane away and then they put

00:08:58 ◼   ► tabs in the compose message window and stuff like that.

00:09:02 ◼   ► All those things that frustrate you when you're in full screen mode right? Because full screen

00:09:05 ◼   ► mode with apps that spawn multiple windows becomes really frustrating because is it sliding

00:09:11 ◼   ► that new window out? How do you minimize something? How do you switch to a second window if you're

00:09:15 ◼   ► in the full screen view? That's the thing that drives me out of full screen mode more

00:09:19 ◼   ► than any other. So they're trying to put in these, in mail they've got these short hands

00:09:23 ◼   ► now that let you do, actually very much like iOS, let you kind of do some basic management

00:09:29 ◼   ► of this single window view.

00:09:33 ◼   ► We have Spotlight. So Spotlight on the Mac has received some enhancements, one of those

00:09:40 ◼   ► being a lot more natural language stuff, which is quite interesting. So there's some of that

00:09:45 ◼   ► in there like what's the weather going to be like on Friday and stuff like that, which

00:09:48 ◼   ► is interesting and again that technology is there but we'll talk about it on iOS, it seems

00:09:54 ◼   ► to have really come into its own in iOS.

00:09:56 ◼   ► Yeah I think if you, I think I read something about Google discovering that there's a certain

00:10:03 ◼   ► percentage of users who talk, who type into Google like they're trying to reason with

00:10:08 ◼   ► somebody, an actual person, like they don't type and my sister I think is like this, like

00:10:13 ◼   ► somebody in my family I observed doing a Google search and they were like asking it questions,

00:10:18 ◼   ► like ask Jeeves or something. They were saying, "How do I find..." Like, don't know. Don't

00:10:23 ◼   ► just type in the words you're searching for, but that was not how they do it. They're like,

00:10:26 ◼   ► "How do I find how to do this?" or "What is the thing for this?" And so the natural language

00:10:30 ◼   ► thing is, I mean, it's good because I do think that certain, a certain group of users think

00:10:35 ◼   ► that way and that's how they want to formulate their queries. And so by saying, you know,

00:10:40 ◼   ► show me all the, you know, the presentation files I was working on last June and having

00:10:44 ◼   ► it actually be able to do that, there are a lot of people who are never going to go

00:10:47 ◼   ► and say, "Date created is between June 1st and June 30th of 2014 and kind is presentation."

00:10:57 ◼   ► Right?

00:10:58 ◼   ► I'm one of those people. I prefer to ask a computer a question like that. It's like why

00:11:04 ◼   ► I love Fantastical because I have natural language entry. I can't use other kinds of

00:11:09 ◼   ► programs now. I like to just type it because my brain works that way. It's easier. I loved

00:11:14 ◼   ► the email stuff, it was like show me the messages I've ignored from Phil. Which is, that is

00:11:19 ◼   ► smart stuff going on there and I really like that as a way to interact with the computer

00:11:24 ◼   ► is to ask questions and it should be able to pass what I'm saying and deliver answers

00:11:29 ◼   ► to me like that. I think that's really cool. Safari stuff, I mean I'm not a Safari user

00:11:34 ◼   ► so I'm not massively interested in it. Some of this like the pinned tabs thing it just

00:11:40 ◼   ► feels like adding a feature. I don't know what you think, but I don't see a lot of utility

00:11:44 ◼   ► in doing that. You could just have the tab open.

00:11:46 ◼   ► Well, no, but the idea here is you've got your favorite sites. And again, this is how

00:11:50 ◼   ► different people work. You've got your favorite sites and you always want them there. And

00:11:54 ◼   ► instead of putting them in a bookmark and then clicking on the bookmark every time you

00:11:57 ◼   ► open it, I'm pretty sure this is one of those features that came out of them observing how

00:12:01 ◼   ► users use software. And they always go to these same apps. And so by having them be

00:12:06 ◼   ► pinned like that, any browser window you're in has them right there, and they're preloading

00:12:12 ◼   ► them, which they, you know, more aggressively than they would if it was just in the bookmarks

00:12:16 ◼   ► bar. And they hide the bookmarks bar by default, I think, so this is like a...

00:12:21 ◼   ► - Visual book launch. - Yeah, it's like a new version of that for

00:12:25 ◼   ► your high priority sites, 'cause, you know, there are a lot of people that this is how

00:12:28 ◼   ► they use the internet, is they check eight sites that they like, or four sites that they

00:12:33 ◼   ► like. And so to have them in this way, I think there will be certain kinds of users who will

00:12:37 ◼   ► get a huge benefit out of having it there.

00:12:39 ◼   ► I was in a room with a bunch of developers, you were in a room with even more. The advancements

00:12:45 ◼   ► to Metal on the Mac seem to turn people, like to set people into a bit of a frenzy.

00:12:51 ◼   ► Well that's a super developer message, and so the developers like to hear that. I think

00:12:56 ◼   ► unless you're somebody who really loves OpenGL, I mean the idea there is that you're using

00:13:02 ◼   ► and core animation.

00:13:04 ◼   ► You can use core animation and core graphics

00:13:05 ◼   ► and now it's running at a much,

00:13:08 ◼   ► they set up to 50% improvement in speed

00:13:10 ◼   ► because they're eliminating the gap.

00:13:13 ◼   ► They're getting you closer to the metal by doing that.

00:13:18 ◼   ► So I thought it was interesting too in terms of,

00:13:21 ◼   ► this section had the lengthy set of examples involving Adobe,

00:13:27 ◼   ► which is interesting 'cause that's a relationship

00:13:31 ◼   ► that's gone back and forth,

00:13:33 ◼   ► about especially over the whole Flash debacle.

00:13:38 ◼   ► And here what you've got is Adobe highlighted

00:13:40 ◼   ► as a company that tried some of these new features,

00:13:43 ◼   ► got great results, and has said,

00:13:46 ◼   ► "We're gonna use this technology

00:13:47 ◼   ► "for all of our products on the Mac."

00:13:49 ◼   ► And that they said, not just After Effects,

00:13:51 ◼   ► which is one that always gets carted out,

00:13:53 ◼   ► but like Illustrator having some stuff

00:13:55 ◼   ► that currently they can't show the UI update

00:13:58 ◼   ► because it's too processor intensive,

00:14:00 ◼   ► So they just sort of, when you zoom in,

00:14:02 ◼   ► you move from state A to state B,

00:14:04 ◼   ► and that with this system,

00:14:06 ◼   ► they can actually do a smooth zoom to that point,

00:14:10 ◼   ► and stuff like that,

00:14:11 ◼   ► and that they're committed to adopting it

00:14:12 ◼   ► on all their OS X apps.

00:14:13 ◼   ► I mean, I thought that was a really interesting sign,

00:14:15 ◼   ► not only of the Apple-Adobe relationship,

00:14:17 ◼   ► but interesting endorsement of some pretty prominent,

00:14:20 ◼   ► it's a practical use in those apps,

00:14:25 ◼   ► these prominent apps of this technology.

00:14:27 ◼   ► So it's not just a, "Hey, games can be good on the Mac,"

00:14:31 ◼   ► which is not the biggest market on the Mac anyway.

00:14:33 ◼   ► - That's where the demo came from.

00:14:35 ◼   ► The demo came from Epic.

00:14:36 ◼   ► And I felt like it would have been a lot better

00:14:39 ◼   ► to come from Adobe.

00:14:41 ◼   ► The demo should have come from Adobe.

00:14:42 ◼   ► - Yeah, I agree.

00:14:43 ◼   ► - I think that would have been a lot stronger of a message

00:14:47 ◼   ► and would have made a lot more sense to have them on stage

00:14:51 ◼   ► and to have them showing some of the stuff.

00:14:54 ◼   ► - Yeah, maybe they just weren't prepared to do it,

00:14:56 ◼   ► but I agree with you.

00:14:57 ◼   ► That would have been, I don't know,

00:14:59 ◼   ► I find the game demos boring in general

00:15:02 ◼   ► and this one was boring in particular.

00:15:04 ◼   ► It was, it went on way too long

00:15:07 ◼   ► and I felt like it was a little like the, you know,

00:15:09 ◼   ► a teacher trying to tell a student

00:15:11 ◼   ► to hurry up their presentation by saying,

00:15:13 ◼   ► they're gonna give us a really short demo.

00:15:16 ◼   ► As they introduced them, they said a short demo.

00:15:18 ◼   ► - But it wasn't. - Wasn't short enough, no.

00:15:21 ◼   ► - Because the thing was, and the issue is with that stuff,

00:15:23 ◼   ► they were promoting their new game.

00:15:25 ◼   ► - Yeah, I know, and it's just like, here's this game,

00:15:28 ◼   ► it's on the Mac, it's--

00:15:29 ◼   ► - It doesn't really look that good.

00:15:30 ◼   ► - It doesn't look that great, it's boring,

00:15:33 ◼   ► they're acting like it's this cool thing,

00:15:36 ◼   ► and again, I don't wanna see a demo of their game.

00:15:39 ◼   ► They were sprinkled in there some examples of,

00:15:42 ◼   ► hey, this new technology that Apple has really helped us

00:15:44 ◼   ► here, but I don't think it added a whole lot to the thing.

00:15:47 ◼   ► - No, it definitely didn't.

00:15:48 ◼   ► - There are two things, whenever we talk about keynotes,

00:15:49 ◼   ► there's sort of two things we do.

00:15:51 ◼   ► The one is analyze what was announced,

00:15:53 ◼   ► and what does it mean for Apple,

00:15:54 ◼   ► on what are those products, how do we understand them,

00:15:56 ◼   ► and what is that gonna mean for users.

00:15:57 ◼   ► The other thing is like the keynote,

00:16:00 ◼   ► appreciation of keynote as an art form,

00:16:02 ◼   ► where we're criticizing the medium more than the message,

00:16:05 ◼   ► and this is one of those examples where,

00:16:08 ◼   ► in terms of reviewing the keynote as a performance,

00:16:11 ◼   ► the game demo really, I could really have done without it,

00:16:15 ◼   ► and I don't think it really imparted a lot of information.

00:16:17 ◼   ► - No, it didn't add-- - It was a break.

00:16:20 ◼   ► - It didn't add any more weight

00:16:22 ◼   ► than the quote from Adobe on a slide did.

00:16:24 ◼   ► - It added a lot less weight, I think,

00:16:27 ◼   ► than the quote from Adobe.

00:16:28 ◼   ► And quite frankly, are you really trying to explain,

00:16:31 ◼   ► I mean, other than just, ooh, need moving pictures,

00:16:34 ◼   ► is it more realistic to show people a game running

00:16:39 ◼   ► on the Mac than it is professional software running

00:16:42 ◼   ► on the Mac?

00:16:43 ◼   ► Or even photo management software or something,

00:16:45 ◼   ► but a game, just, yeah.

00:16:47 ◼   ► - Why don't they bring the product developer

00:16:49 ◼   ► final cut on stage. Because they were talking about things like rendering and stuff like

00:16:54 ◼   ► that and show how that's faster. That's more compelling, I think, than showing Epic. Apple

00:17:02 ◼   ► are trying to get games. It's a thing that the Mac--

00:17:05 ◼   ► - I get it. It's just never really going to happen on the Mac, and it's helpful that they

00:17:10 ◼   ► do this, but they're really just saying, "Hey, games are a good way to explain graphics performance."

00:17:14 ◼   ► But they didn't really explain it. They were just like, "Hey, look, it's a game. Yay!" Yeah,

00:17:19 ◼   ► less excited. That Adobe thing though, I was impressed by that, the Adobe thing, because

00:17:22 ◼   ► that's, that's not just Adobe to write a thing out and said it was okay. That's Adobe saying,

00:17:26 ◼   ► yeah, this is so great, we're going to use it in all our stuff.

00:17:28 ◼   ► So, you know, then we've got the usual, you know, El Capitan, there's a developer preview

00:17:33 ◼   ► in July, I think, and it comes out in the fall. Because developer preview now, public

00:17:39 ◼   ► beta in July. And then there'll be somebody who sends a tweet saying that we got that

00:17:44 ◼   ► wrong because they haven't, they paused it right before we corrected immediately after

00:17:47 ◼   ► because that's life in the big city for podcasting.

00:17:50 ◼   ► But yeah, so it's gonna be the same, it's the usual.

00:17:53 ◼   ► Developers can get a beta now.

00:17:55 ◼   ► There'll be a public beta, you know,

00:17:56 ◼   ► after they've done a developer beta cycle or two,

00:17:58 ◼   ► they'll do a public beta in July,

00:17:59 ◼   ► and then it'll be out in the fall for free.

00:18:02 ◼   ► As far as we can tell, it's just, you know,

00:18:04 ◼   ► like everybody, if you could run Yosemite,

00:18:05 ◼   ► you can run El Capitan.

00:18:07 ◼   ► And yeah, that's it.

00:18:10 ◼   ► I'm trying to see, I really liked the,

00:18:13 ◼   ► we didn't mention another example of watching

00:18:16 ◼   ► how people use their computer and trying to come up

00:18:18 ◼   ► with ways to do it better, which is one of the great ways

00:18:22 ◼   ► to innovate if you're building new software.

00:18:25 ◼   ► Was the shaking your cursor to find out where it is

00:18:29 ◼   ► when you wake up your computer?

00:18:30 ◼   ► - Funny little thing, but a nice thing.

00:18:33 ◼   ► - Yeah, so you shake it and it gets bigger

00:18:35 ◼   ► while you're shaking it so you can see where it is

00:18:37 ◼   ► and then it goes back down.

00:18:39 ◼   ► That's great, I do that all the time.

00:18:41 ◼   ► I have that big Retina iMac and sometimes I'm like,

00:18:44 ◼   ► it's a huge screen.

00:18:45 ◼   ► I don't even know where that little cursor is.

00:18:47 ◼   ► I'm like, where is it?

00:18:48 ◼   ► Where is it?

00:18:49 ◼   ► Is my Bluetooth track pad off?

00:18:51 ◼   ► Is that why I can't see it?

00:18:52 ◼   ► What's going on?

00:18:53 ◼   ► So that was, I just liked that as a, it's silly,

00:18:56 ◼   ► but that's a good example of somebody building a feature

00:19:00 ◼   ► because they realized, oh, this is something everybody does

00:19:03 ◼   ► and it wastes people's time.

00:19:05 ◼   ► - Anything missing for you?

00:19:06 ◼   ► - Oh, as I've written, I was ready for them

00:19:10 ◼   ► to get rid of the X and just call it Mac OS again,

00:19:14 ◼   ► but this is not an OS release about change, right?

00:19:17 ◼   ► This is about kind of keeping on from Yosemite,

00:19:20 ◼   ► and that's fine.

00:19:22 ◼   ► That's exactly what I was looking for.

00:19:23 ◼   ► I'm a little surprised that there were rumors

00:19:27 ◼   ► that the new San Francisco font would be used,

00:19:29 ◼   ► and I don't think it is.

00:19:33 ◼   ► - It definitely looked like they were using it on iOS,

00:19:35 ◼   ► but they didn't mention it.

00:19:37 ◼   ► - Yeah, and I think I saw one tweet that pointed out

00:19:40 ◼   ► that it's being used on some parts of iOS,

00:19:41 ◼   ► but not all of it.

00:19:43 ◼   ► I don't understand that. That is interesting, if they're using it. Because they didn't even

00:19:49 ◼   ► mention it. It didn't even seem to be on that big word cloud. So I don't know what's going

00:19:54 ◼   ► on there. That could still come later, I guess. But maybe there's a reason that we just don't

00:20:00 ◼   ► know or maybe they just never were going to do it in the first place. But there was definitely

00:20:04 ◼   ► a font change on iOS, which we'll get to in a bit. But they were showing some of the UI

00:20:09 ◼   ► it looked different and it looked like San Francisco. So maybe, I don't know, I don't

00:20:14 ◼   ► know what's happening with El Capitan. I've got to get used to saying that.

00:20:17 ◼   ► El Capitan. I feel like every time I say it I have to

00:20:19 ◼   ► say it in a funny way. Well you can call it Snowseminity if you want to.

00:20:23 ◼   ► I might do that actually. We have Steven in the room here and he's shaking his head. He

00:20:28 ◼   ► doesn't like Snowseminity which is now what I will call it. So should we move on to iOS?

00:20:34 ◼   ► Yeah, well, real-time follow-up, T_ in the chatroom says the fonts are updated.

00:20:39 ◼   ► I don't know updated in what way or what.

00:20:42 ◼   ► Again, I only have the information that I could glean from the keynote being in it.

00:20:46 ◼   ► So we'll find out more as the developer betas get installed and we learn more.

00:20:52 ◼   ► So apparently, definitely, new system font was included in the word cloud.

00:20:56 ◼   ► So thank you very much to everybody in the chatroom who is pointing that out.

00:21:00 ◼   ► There definitely is a new system font.

00:21:04 ◼   ► We will call it Capitan Francisco.

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00:24:25 ◼   ► iOS, iOS 9.

00:24:29 ◼   ► - iOS 9.

00:24:31 ◼   ► - So again, same sort of idea here.

00:24:35 ◼   ► We have some refinements, we have,

00:24:37 ◼   ► so they kind of, they referred to it as

00:24:40 ◼   ► there were some enhancements

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00:24:46 ◼   ► And the foundation stuff is the improvements.

00:24:49 ◼   ► So shall we start with some of the new

00:24:52 ◼   ► and enhanced built-in applications

00:24:54 ◼   ► and shall we talk about the new News app?

00:24:57 ◼   ► - Sure, let's do that.

00:24:59 ◼   ► - Can you give a brief overview for anyone that doesn't know

00:25:02 ◼   ► or anyone that needs a refresher, what is the News app?

00:25:05 ◼   ► - Well, it looks like Newsstand is going away

00:25:09 ◼   ► and that all the Newsstand apps

00:25:10 ◼   ► just going to be apps, which is fine because Newstand was not very good, and

00:25:15 ◼   ► that there's this new app called News that looks like it's not quite an

00:25:22 ◼   ► RSS reader. It's more like Flipboard. It reminds me a lot of those instant

00:25:30 ◼   ► articles that are in Facebook. It's Apple providing a platform in which web

00:25:37 ◼   ► articles basically will be shown with some custom layout that makes them look

00:25:44 ◼   ► nicer and you can subscribe to subjects or tags or particular publications

00:25:52 ◼   ► whether they're newspapers or magazines or blogs and then it collects the

00:25:56 ◼   ► stories for you so yeah I mean especially Flipboard is a good example

00:25:59 ◼   ► where it sounds a lot like like that kind of thing except this is going to be

00:26:02 ◼   ► an Apple app and it's gonna be built into every iPhone and iPad.

00:26:07 ◼   ► Why does this exist?

00:26:09 ◼   ► I think Apple wants... I don't know, it's a good question. I think Apple wants to make things easier for publishers

00:26:18 ◼   ► and doesn't want to keep going down the path of Newsstand.

00:26:23 ◼   ► Yep.

00:26:25 ◼   ► Newsstand failed.

00:26:27 ◼   ► failed. Newsstand was a mistake. Apple should have built something like iBooks for magazines

00:26:37 ◼   ► and newspapers and they instead decided to let every media company build their own apps.

00:26:43 ◼   ► Yeah, have weirdo apps inside of a weirdo folder. Yeah, so this is so that was a bad

00:26:48 ◼   ► idea. I think Steve Jobs got charmed by the tech demos, the impractical,

00:26:57 ◼   ► expensive tech demos in the early days of the iPad and decided that that was

00:27:02 ◼   ► going to be the media strategy. So this is a very interesting strategy in that

00:27:05 ◼   ► it's not about, you know, it's a universal reader. It's much more of a fancy web

00:27:11 ◼   ► browser than it is, you know, it's not like a magazine or newspaper app. It's, I

00:27:17 ◼   ► I think they've learned a lot of lessons that this is not,

00:27:20 ◼   ► replicating paper is not what you wanna do.

00:27:23 ◼   ► You wanna come up with something that embraces this format.

00:27:26 ◼   ► It's interesting that it's so much like Flipboard.

00:27:28 ◼   ► They didn't buy Flipboard, they just did something

00:27:31 ◼   ► that's a lot like Flipboard.

00:27:32 ◼   ► - Yeah, you pick your categories.

00:27:35 ◼   ► I like the search stuff.

00:27:37 ◼   ► Oh, we should mention, this was the first demo

00:27:39 ◼   ► given by a woman, right?

00:27:40 ◼   ► Or was it, maybe the Apple Pay stuff came first?

00:27:43 ◼   ► - You jumped ahead, so this was the second demo

00:27:45 ◼   ► given by a woman who's given by Susan Prescott. So this was so we might as well

00:27:49 ◼   ► have this as a quicker slide now because there was also the Apple Pay executive

00:27:52 ◼   ► do you have her name to hand? Jennifer Bailey. Really interesting so I mean

00:27:58 ◼   ► yesterday as we record this Christina Warren had a great interview with Tim Cook

00:28:03 ◼   ► in Mashable and they were talking about equality in tech and women in tech and

00:28:08 ◼   ► one of the things that Tim said was watch tomorrow watch what we do tomorrow

00:28:12 ◼   ► and I really like what Apple have done here because what they have done is they

00:28:17 ◼   ► have brought out people where they wouldn't normally do that. So

00:28:21 ◼   ► Federighi would have done that demo. So they have brought the executives onto

00:28:25 ◼   ► the stage so they are forcing the change which is exactly what they need to do

00:28:30 ◼   ► because they are saying right we're just gonna bring these people

00:28:34 ◼   ► onto stage because they are women in these great jobs they're doing great

00:28:38 ◼   ► things, normally you don't get to see them, so instead of doing the normal demo for those

00:28:43 ◼   ► parts we will bring them out to the front, put them on stage so you can see that we do

00:28:48 ◼   ► have these people, but usually we just don't bring them out. So I think it was a great

00:28:53 ◼   ► move.

00:28:54 ◼   ► I agree, in the case of Jennifer Bailey, she's the VP and judge of Apple Pay, so why not?

00:28:58 ◼   ► Yeah, exactly, exactly. I mean you bring her out, plus they both gave incredible demos.

00:29:04 ◼   ► I thought they were funny and powerful

00:29:07 ◼   ► and just really, really great at what they did.

00:29:09 ◼   ► - Yeah, they both had their unique styles

00:29:12 ◼   ► that were their own, just as any presenter does.

00:29:14 ◼   ► And yeah, it was good to see more,

00:29:17 ◼   ► it was good to see different people on stage

00:29:19 ◼   ► to have Apple's keynote be less monolithic

00:29:23 ◼   ► than it's been in the past.

00:29:24 ◼   ► - Yep. - I think that was good.

00:29:25 ◼   ► It felt like you're watching a whole company

00:29:27 ◼   ► full of people who are working on this stuff

00:29:29 ◼   ► and not a very tiny cabal of people who invent everything

00:29:32 ◼   ► and then roll it out.

00:29:33 ◼   ► which is, you know, not accurate. It is more.

00:29:35 ◼   ► There are a lot of people who work at Apple

00:29:37 ◼   ► and working on this stuff, so to see more of them is good.

00:29:40 ◼   ► And to see some diversity on that stage, really good.

00:29:43 ◼   ► - So basically, news is a new take on an RSS reader.

00:29:48 ◼   ► I think in a nutshell, that's what it is.

00:29:52 ◼   ► I'm thinking maybe some of this

00:29:55 ◼   ► is so they can populate Spotlight stuff, right?

00:29:59 ◼   ► Because Spotlight seems to suggest news articles,

00:30:02 ◼   ► and this is a place to send you to,

00:30:04 ◼   ► so that could be one thing that they're doing it for.

00:30:07 ◼   ► They showed big publishers, they showed Wired,

00:30:10 ◼   ► they had Vox on the screen.

00:30:11 ◼   ► - Yeah, New York Times.

00:30:12 ◼   ► - Yep, Conde Nast and stuff like that.

00:30:15 ◼   ► They also made a point of showing Daring Fireball,

00:30:17 ◼   ► which was really exciting.

00:30:20 ◼   ► - Yes, they said the words Daring Fireball.

00:30:23 ◼   ► - And she cooked him as a choice of a blog that she likes.

00:30:27 ◼   ► What are you gonna do?

00:30:29 ◼   ► Do you know anything about this system?

00:30:30 ◼   ► Can you publish this system?

00:30:32 ◼   ► Do you want to?

00:30:33 ◼   ► - They made a point of the fact that this is not,

00:30:36 ◼   ► and I think that's actually one of the reasons

00:30:38 ◼   ► why they showed Daring Fireball,

00:30:40 ◼   ► not only because they like John Gruber,

00:30:42 ◼   ► but because he's a blogger.

00:30:44 ◼   ► And it was part of the message to say,

00:30:47 ◼   ► look, here's a newspaper, here's a magazine,

00:30:49 ◼   ► and here's a blog, and I can subscribe to all of them.

00:30:52 ◼   ► And then I can subscribe to this broad category

00:30:54 ◼   ► of technology, as well as this incredibly narrow keyword

00:30:57 ◼   ► of Swift, the programming language.

00:30:59 ◼   ► And so it was a good example of that.

00:31:01 ◼   ► and then later they said, "This is for everyone.

00:31:05 ◼   ► Presumably they'll have some sort of a spec."

00:31:07 ◼   ► But they said, "This is for local papers,

00:31:09 ◼   ► it's for blogs, it's for everyone."

00:31:11 ◼   ► So all publishers should be able to publish to this format.

00:31:14 ◼   ► So, you know, given my audience, absolutely.

00:31:17 ◼   ► Absolutely.

00:31:18 ◼   ► I can't wait to find out what the specs are for this

00:31:21 ◼   ► and figure out how I can take advantage of it.

00:31:25 ◼   ► - iCloud.com/newspublisher.

00:31:28 ◼   ► - All right.

00:31:29 ◼   ► I'll go there after the show.

00:31:31 ◼   ► you'll use iCloud to add your content to news.

00:31:33 ◼   ► Sign in with your Apple ID

00:31:35 ◼   ► that you'd like to use for your business or channel.

00:31:38 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:31:39 ◼   ► - Weird that it's on iCloud.

00:31:41 ◼   ► That seems like an interesting thing, but okay.

00:31:45 ◼   ► I feel like they need to have that.

00:31:45 ◼   ► - That's gotta be like iBook,

00:31:48 ◼   ► it's like iTunes Connect.

00:31:49 ◼   ► It's a backend system that you sign up for.

00:31:53 ◼   ► Yeah, that's weird.

00:31:54 ◼   ► - I mean, this feels like something

00:31:55 ◼   ► that you would have an article

00:31:56 ◼   ► that you wanna put out there and you would,

00:31:58 ◼   ► it's a nice big beefy article or something

00:32:00 ◼   ► you put it in. I imagine they've got some document specs and some feed specs and

00:32:04 ◼   ► you know that's everybody will look at that and figure out how they want to

00:32:09 ◼   ► proceed. But you know it's interesting I guess if it's pre-installed maybe people

00:32:15 ◼   ► use it I don't know if I will like maybe maybe maybe I'll look at that instead of

00:32:19 ◼   ► RSS or something I don't know. Yeah I don't I mean I don't use Flipboard and I

00:32:24 ◼   ► don't use RSS so I'm using I'm using Nuzzle right now to do all that you know

00:32:29 ◼   ► But yeah, I'll check it out.

00:32:30 ◼   ► There are lots of different ways to do reading,

00:32:33 ◼   ► and getting on the device is powerful.

00:32:35 ◼   ► It's not the solution.

00:32:37 ◼   ► Every iPhone user in existence

00:32:40 ◼   ► has not started listening to podcasts

00:32:42 ◼   ► because the podcast app is on the iPhone,

00:32:43 ◼   ► but it sure helps that there's a podcast app on the iPhone.

00:32:47 ◼   ► And this is, you know, there will be,

00:32:49 ◼   ► if you want to get some news,

00:32:50 ◼   ► also they integrated top news and things into their search.

00:32:54 ◼   ► And this is a way, presumably,

00:32:58 ◼   ► you will now jump to the news app to read those

00:33:01 ◼   ► instead of-- - The website.

00:33:03 ◼   ► - To the website, so that's part of that integration too.

00:33:06 ◼   ► And it sounds like the Recode report,

00:33:09 ◼   ► Walt Mossberg's report about this,

00:33:11 ◼   ► or no, Peter Kafka's report about this,

00:33:12 ◼   ► was that we saw no ads today,

00:33:16 ◼   ► but it sounds like publishers can put ads in there

00:33:18 ◼   ► and they keep all the money from the ads.

00:33:20 ◼   ► Apple's not trying to say give us 30% of all the ads

00:33:22 ◼   ► that display in the news app.

00:33:24 ◼   ► And then that report also said that if you don't have ads,

00:33:27 ◼   ► If you've run out of your ads or whatever,

00:33:29 ◼   ► Apple will actually be the backfill

00:33:33 ◼   ► and they could actually put their own ads in there

00:33:35 ◼   ► and then cut you in for a piece of that.

00:33:38 ◼   ► So there is an ad story there too.

00:33:39 ◼   ► It'll be interesting to see how that goes

00:33:41 ◼   ► 'cause they said the New York Times,

00:33:43 ◼   ► they're gonna put in what, 30 stories a day or something.

00:33:46 ◼   ► I mean, that's interesting because that's stuff

00:33:48 ◼   ► that you aren't allowed to read on the web

00:33:50 ◼   ► because after a few stories,

00:33:52 ◼   ► you are blocked from those stories for the rest of the month

00:33:55 ◼   ► on the New York Times,

00:33:56 ◼   ► but they'll all be, you know, 30 stories a day

00:33:58 ◼   ► will be in the News app.

00:34:00 ◼   ► That's, that's-- - That's a lot.

00:34:01 ◼   ► - That's content you can't get on the web

00:34:03 ◼   ► but you can get in the News app.

00:34:04 ◼   ► That's pretty cool.

00:34:05 ◼   ► - Notes, the Notes app-- - Notes app.

00:34:08 ◼   ► - Has some massive, massive changes.

00:34:10 ◼   ► - Yeah, it looks a lot more like Vesper now.

00:34:12 ◼   ► So thanks, they mentioned Daring Fireball.

00:34:15 ◼   ► They also made Notes work a lot more like Vesper.

00:34:19 ◼   ► So I thought there was a nice tidbit there that I noticed,

00:34:22 ◼   ► which is that Notes is used by half of all iPhone users.

00:34:27 ◼   ► - Yep.

00:34:28 ◼   ► - That's a popular app.

00:34:30 ◼   ► - Surprisingly.

00:34:31 ◼   ► - Used by, I use it, when I parked today,

00:34:34 ◼   ► I opened Notes and put down where I parked.

00:34:37 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:34:38 ◼   ► - I mean, nothing--

00:34:39 ◼   ► - I'll give it a go of iOS 9.

00:34:41 ◼   ► I mean, I use Draft for this stuff, but--

00:34:43 ◼   ► - Well, I'm using Notes for, like I said,

00:34:46 ◼   ► it's also my purpose-built note-taking app

00:34:48 ◼   ► for watching things for the incomparable.

00:34:51 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:34:51 ◼   ► they're all in there, all of my notes are in there.

00:34:54 ◼   ► So there's a toolbar, there's text formatting,

00:34:57 ◼   ► you can make quick checklists, you can insert photos,

00:35:00 ◼   ► you can link-- - There's an extension?

00:35:02 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, there's a links, the links look better,

00:35:06 ◼   ► it's not just like a hyperlink of text,

00:35:07 ◼   ► it's actually a little box with a preview

00:35:09 ◼   ► of where the link goes to, which is kinda neat.

00:35:11 ◼   ► So they really did add a whole bunch of stuff.

00:35:15 ◼   ► A share sheet that lets you drop things

00:35:18 ◼   ► into notes from elsewhere with some nice stuff.

00:35:23 ◼   ► -I'm probably gonna switch to Apple Maps from Google Maps

00:35:27 ◼   ► because of their transit stuff.

00:35:29 ◼   ► -Well, Google has transit stuff, too.

00:35:31 ◼   ► -The way that Apple are displaying the transit stuff

00:35:34 ◼   ► is very, very interesting to me,

00:35:35 ◼   ► and I'm very much looking forward to checking it out.

00:35:37 ◼   ► -What way is that?

00:35:39 ◼   ► -So, they have a couple of things

00:35:40 ◼   ► that I really like to look off.

00:35:42 ◼   ► They have a full transit map,

00:35:44 ◼   ► which shows lines and stuff like that

00:35:46 ◼   ► on the actual map face.

00:35:49 ◼   ► - Yeah, I really liked that,

00:35:50 ◼   ► that you're not just viewing transit little buttons

00:35:55 ◼   ► on top of a street map.

00:35:56 ◼   ► You're looking at a transit map, transit layer.

00:35:58 ◼   ► - And even more interestingly,

00:36:00 ◼   ► 'cause this is something that frustrates me with Google Maps

00:36:02 ◼   ► and any other mapping service I've ever used,

00:36:05 ◼   ► which is it shows me the entrance for the train station,

00:36:10 ◼   ► which is something that I don't get.

00:36:12 ◼   ► And they're like, we'll send you there

00:36:13 ◼   ► so you know exactly where to go.

00:36:15 ◼   ► because usually they just drop a pin right in the middle.

00:36:17 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's like the train station is a single item

00:36:20 ◼   ► that is a single point

00:36:22 ◼   ► and everybody enters through that point,

00:36:24 ◼   ► which of course is not how it works.

00:36:27 ◼   ► - 'Cause that's the main reason that I don't use Apple Maps

00:36:29 ◼   ► is because I am a person who needs transit stuff.

00:36:32 ◼   ► That's how I get around.

00:36:33 ◼   ► I use the tube and I use buses and I walk.

00:36:37 ◼   ► And at the moment,

00:36:38 ◼   ► Apple have not had anything to help me in that regard.

00:36:41 ◼   ► And all of the third-party apps that I've tried,

00:36:44 ◼   ► I haven't found better than Google Maps. And London is a launch city, which it definitely

00:36:49 ◼   ► should be, and I'm really happy they did it, because I think it's the only one outside

00:36:53 ◼   ► of America or China that is a launch city.

00:36:58 ◼   ► That's good.

00:36:59 ◼   ► It's because London is…

00:37:00 ◼   ► No, no, there's Berlin.

00:37:01 ◼   ► Is there Berlin as well?

00:37:02 ◼   ► Berlin's in there too.

00:37:03 ◼   ► Okay. So it's limited. And it makes sense, I mean, you go for the places that have real

00:37:09 ◼   ► good infrastructure. London is one of them. And I think my understanding is the data isn't

00:37:13 ◼   ► hard to get because we have a centralized body that does it. So TFL, Transport for London,

00:37:19 ◼   ► has all of that data and they have APIs and stuff, so we were probably not too difficult

00:37:24 ◼   ► a city to actually map and get it right. But I'm really, really excited for that.

00:37:29 ◼   ► Yeah, that's something that Apple just couldn't do when they were launching their new maps

00:37:36 ◼   ► thing. It was just one thing that they just couldn't get it done in time.

00:37:41 ◼   ► Because this needs careful consideration.

00:37:43 ◼   ► Transit is very, very difficult to do.

00:37:46 ◼   ► But I still think they should have waited, or they should have done this two years ago,

00:37:53 ◼   ► because it is a big part of it.

00:37:55 ◼   ► But I'm very happy to see it.

00:37:56 ◼   ► And one of the main reasons is because I would want to switch is because I really, really

00:38:01 ◼   ► love getting the directions on my watch.

00:38:03 ◼   ► I love that.

00:38:05 ◼   ► And that's really going to work well for me.

00:38:07 ◼   ► So I'm excited for that.

00:38:09 ◼   ► I think it would be difficult maybe, I don't know, we'll see from the native

00:38:12 ◼   ► stuff for Google to do a comparable app for the watch, but so I'm really excited

00:38:17 ◼   ► for that. Yeah when I was in Brooklyn I was trying to use Google Maps and it

00:38:23 ◼   ► and for transit and it took me to the block where the train station was that I

00:38:29 ◼   ► was going to. But then I had that wandering around thing where you're

00:38:35 ◼   ► trying to guess at where the actual entry way to the train station was

00:38:38 ◼   ► because it wasn't, it didn't take me to the entryway for, you know, that I could go down

00:38:43 ◼   ► that was the closest to where I was and I wandered around for a couple of minutes before

00:38:46 ◼   ► I found the way in.

00:38:48 ◼   ► - Yeah, so, yeah.

00:38:49 ◼   ► - Smart.

00:38:50 ◼   ► - Passbook becomes Wallet and with Wallet comes additional features for Apple Pay.

00:38:54 ◼   ► - Right.

00:38:55 ◼   ► - So there are store cards and loyalty cards now, right?

00:38:59 ◼   ► - Yeah, so they talked about loyalty cards at the event in September of last year.

00:39:04 ◼   ► - But they--

00:39:05 ◼   ► - They talked about when they launched Apple Pay that, or they announced Apple Pay.

00:39:08 ◼   ► And not in the keynote, but after the keynote,

00:39:12 ◼   ► when we were talking to them, they're like,

00:39:13 ◼   ► "Oh yeah, yeah, loyalty cards will be supported."

00:39:15 ◼   ► But it just hasn't happened yet.

00:39:16 ◼   ► So now it's happened.

00:39:17 ◼   ► Now we've got where they're making those partnerships,

00:39:20 ◼   ► so the loyalty cards will be built in to Apple Pay as well.

00:39:24 ◼   ► And you left out, in addition to having London Transit,

00:39:29 ◼   ► we have Apple Pay in the UK,

00:39:31 ◼   ► which is the old punk rock song.

00:39:34 ◼   ► - That's happening in July.

00:39:35 ◼   ► So because there was rumors that Canada was going to be the next, the next destination for Apple Pay,

00:39:41 ◼   ► but next month I finally get Apple Pay. 250,000 locations. The best one is the tube. So we'll be

00:39:49 ◼   ► able to use Apple Pay to ride the tube. There is a quite a funny thing. I currently have two bank

00:39:56 ◼   ► accounts with two different banks. And over the next couple of months, I was planning on switching

00:40:01 ◼   ► to the bank that I prefer, Barclays, currently with HSBC going to Barclays.

00:40:07 ◼   ► Barclays is one of the only banks in the UK that has not yet signed up for Apple Pay,

00:40:11 ◼   ► which is extremely surprising because Barclays is the most digital, but they're not there

00:40:15 ◼   ► yet, they will be because their customers are going to really really pressure them.

00:40:20 ◼   ► Because when they showed the screen, every other major UK bank, of which there are a

00:40:24 ◼   ► lot, seemed to be involved.

00:40:26 ◼   ► So I will still use it because at the moment all my personal transactions go through my

00:40:29 ◼   ► HSBC bank account and they are gonna be using Apple Pay so I'm very very excited

00:40:34 ◼   ► next month to start using Apple Pay because it's something that I really want

00:40:38 ◼   ► because we are so contactless. I pay with my card contactless but now I'll be able

00:40:44 ◼   ► to do my watch instead. I'm really really excited to do that.

00:40:48 ◼   ► It's pretty great. I enjoy that. Yeah, I was in a Waitrose with

00:40:53 ◼   ► James Thompson in Glasgow and talking about Apple Pay and how it you know

00:40:57 ◼   ► hopefully it'll come to the UK sometime and they made that announcement and I said a note

00:41:02 ◼   ► to James saying well that Waitrose in Glasgow will have Apple Pay soon.

00:41:07 ◼   ► So it was actually Waitrose was a very great, they were a great supermarket. They were one of

00:41:10 ◼   ► the ones that actually mentioned them. I like that they picked a couple out and because they do that

00:41:16 ◼   ► for America so do it for us too and I like that that they said Marks and Spencers and Waitrose,

00:41:20 ◼   ► they picked them out as two locations and they're fancy supermarkets, they're an upscale supermarket.

00:41:27 ◼   ► It's huge UK news today is what we're saying. Huge UK news.

00:41:31 ◼   ► It's all coming up, Royal Britannia today. I'm very happy. I mean, I know I'm in another country,

00:41:37 ◼   ► but I'm flying the flag today. Let's talk about the iPad, Jason.

00:41:40 ◼   ► Anything happen with the iPad?

00:41:43 ◼   ► All I know is Federico Vittucci's brain exploded. I haven't heard from him for a while. I think we

00:41:52 ◼   ► we should maybe send someone to go and check on them. There is some really, really big

00:41:58 ◼   ► stuff in here.

00:41:59 ◼   ► Well, you know, so we were talking, we've talked about that on this show before, that

00:42:02 ◼   ► there's this feeling that a lot of people have and that I have that I wrote a piece

00:42:06 ◼   ► on six colors about it, that the size of the iPhone, the success of the iPhone is so tremendous

00:42:12 ◼   ► that it's hard to justify and sometimes it's been hard for Apple to justify investing a

00:42:20 ◼   ► a lot of effort on iPad features in iOS,

00:42:22 ◼   ► because there's so many iPhones,

00:42:24 ◼   ► and there are fewer iPads.

00:42:25 ◼   ► Even if the iPad, you know, the iPad's fine,

00:42:28 ◼   ► it's not the iPhone, nothing's the iPhone.

00:42:30 ◼   ► And today, we got a large chunk of the presentation

00:42:35 ◼   ► devoted to features that were at least described

00:42:40 ◼   ► as being iPad features.

00:42:41 ◼   ► Some of them may have their counterparts on the iPhone,

00:42:44 ◼   ► but it was really about working on the iPad,

00:42:48 ◼   ► And as somebody who loves his iPad,

00:42:51 ◼   ► I'm not Federico Vitici level of love,

00:42:55 ◼   ► but I was blown away by it.

00:42:58 ◼   ► That was probably my favorite part

00:43:00 ◼   ► of the entire presentation was the iPad stuff.

00:43:03 ◼   ► - So there's a couple of different things here.

00:43:04 ◼   ► So one of them, there's a few features

00:43:06 ◼   ► that are classed as multitasking.

00:43:08 ◼   ► So there is a few features, there's one called Slide Over,

00:43:11 ◼   ► where it's a second app where you kind of pull it in

00:43:14 ◼   ► from the side.

00:43:14 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's like Notification Center or the Control Center,

00:43:17 ◼   ► except from the right side.

00:43:20 ◼   ► - Yeah, so you pull in, I think it probably,

00:43:22 ◼   ► they didn't really explain what app,

00:43:24 ◼   ► I guess it's like the most recent app,

00:43:26 ◼   ► and then you're able to do some, invoke some action,

00:43:30 ◼   ► I think it's the multitasking,

00:43:32 ◼   ► and you can switch between a vertical list of apps.

00:43:36 ◼   ► You slide it in, double tap,

00:43:38 ◼   ► and you can change what app is there.

00:43:40 ◼   ► So the idea being maybe Twitter or Messages,

00:43:43 ◼   ► you slide it in, do what you gotta do,

00:43:44 ◼   ► slide it back away again,

00:43:45 ◼   ► and it shows basically an iPhone.

00:43:47 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's in the #mikewasright section

00:43:50 ◼   ► of the presentation, they basically said

00:43:53 ◼   ► to the developers who were there,

00:43:54 ◼   ► 'cause again, developer conference,

00:43:55 ◼   ► is if you did the work to do the auto layout and sizing

00:44:00 ◼   ► that, for example, allowed your iPhone 6 app

00:44:04 ◼   ► to also work really well on the 6 Plus,

00:44:06 ◼   ► that will just kind of move along

00:44:08 ◼   ► and go off on the corner there and it'll auto layout

00:44:11 ◼   ► and it's like a little iPhone app running

00:44:13 ◼   ► next to a kind of narrow iPad app.

00:44:16 ◼   ► Then there was split view.

00:44:18 ◼   ► Split view is you can invoke this from slide over

00:44:22 ◼   ► where you then effectively you pull it across

00:44:24 ◼   ► and you have two apps running simultaneously

00:44:27 ◼   ► next to each other.

00:44:28 ◼   ► This is massive stuff.

00:44:31 ◼   ► Like they were showing some things there

00:44:32 ◼   ► that look really interesting.

00:44:34 ◼   ► Like click a link in the notes app

00:44:38 ◼   ► and you've got maps next to it

00:44:39 ◼   ► and it will just go to the maps

00:44:40 ◼   ► or you click a link in a web browser and it pops up.

00:44:45 ◼   ► they were showing some really interesting ways that these two apps will just work together in tandem.

00:44:50 ◼   ► Yeah, and it's not any different, it looks like, or not much different than how apps work together

00:44:56 ◼   ► now, except now one app goes away and the other app comes to the foreground. And in this, they're

00:45:02 ◼   ► both running, so one app is there and then another app... And in fact, you can have like Maps open on

00:45:08 ◼   ► on the left but you tap on a web link, Maps goes away on the left and Safari opens. That

00:45:15 ◼   ► is a behavior too. But then you've got the two things open simultaneously. We should

00:45:19 ◼   ► say that Split View only works on the iPad Air 2 right now. Presumably new iPads to be

00:45:26 ◼   ► announced this fall will all support it. That's my guess.

00:45:30 ◼   ► But they all have Slide Over I think. But they all have Slide Over and the other

00:45:34 ◼   ► feature which is the video picture in picture feature.

00:45:37 ◼   ► which is madness.

00:45:38 ◼   ► That is like, you know,

00:45:39 ◼   ► you're watching a streaming video app

00:45:41 ◼   ► and you can just have that app playing in a corner

00:45:43 ◼   ► like a FaceTime preview.

00:45:46 ◼   ► You can move it around.

00:45:47 ◼   ► They should like, you can basically slide it

00:45:48 ◼   ► all the way off the screen just to listen to it.

00:45:50 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:45:51 ◼   ► - That is really great.

00:45:53 ◼   ► Like YouTube are doing backflips

00:45:56 ◼   ► because that is amazing for that kind of app.

00:46:01 ◼   ► And I think that that is really, really exciting stuff.

00:46:04 ◼   ► - Yeah, well, I use that for like major league baseball.

00:46:06 ◼   ► You could use it for HBO Go.

00:46:08 ◼   ► I mean, the apps have to support it,

00:46:09 ◼   ► but that's pretty cool too.

00:46:13 ◼   ► But the Split View itself is iPad Air too,

00:46:15 ◼   ► only because it's by far the most powerful iOS device.

00:46:18 ◼   ► So right now that's the only place you can get it.

00:46:20 ◼   ► But it's very interesting that this is happening.

00:46:25 ◼   ► And they also mentioned as a part of this,

00:46:27 ◼   ► was it, well, no, in another part of the demo

00:46:33 ◼   ► when they were talking about Siri,

00:46:36 ◼   ► They also talked about APIs for apps

00:46:40 ◼   ► to put their content in Spotlight.

00:46:42 ◼   ► And that's exciting, but they also said--

00:46:46 ◼   ► - App indexing.

00:46:47 ◼   ► - Yeah, and that also means though that they said

00:46:49 ◼   ► that those apps will be able to provide

00:46:52 ◼   ► essentially a deep linking URL with their search results

00:46:57 ◼   ► or URL format.

00:46:58 ◼   ► So that's deep linking supported in the system.

00:47:01 ◼   ► That's like automation, workflow kind of stuff

00:47:06 ◼   ► becoming, if not mainstream,

00:47:09 ◼   ► becoming kind of a blessed part

00:47:11 ◼   ► of what's happening in the system.

00:47:13 ◼   ► And that's really great too.

00:47:14 ◼   ► So you throw that in there with the split view

00:47:17 ◼   ► and you've got some features

00:47:18 ◼   ► that are traditional computer features

00:47:21 ◼   ► that are finally showing up on iOS for the first time.

00:47:26 ◼   ► - So what about the keyboard?

00:47:29 ◼   ► - Oh, Myke.

00:47:30 ◼   ► there is some magical things happening to the iPad keyboard.

00:47:33 ◼   ► So the quick type bar, the suggestions bar,

00:47:36 ◼   ► now has shortcuts, cut, copy, paste, and formatting in it,

00:47:39 ◼   ► and I think attachments if you're in mail or whatever.

00:47:42 ◼   ► But the real magical stuff is this text selection.

00:47:45 ◼   ► - Remember when there was that,

00:47:46 ◼   ► we were talking about last week, two weeks ago,

00:47:47 ◼   ► about that Apple patent that was,

00:47:49 ◼   ► what if you could move your finger around

00:47:51 ◼   ► on the MacBook keyboard and it would be like a trackpad?

00:47:55 ◼   ► Well, this is that on the iPad keyboard.

00:47:59 ◼   ► you just move your finger around two fingers,

00:48:01 ◼   ► you put two fingers down on the keyboard instead of one,

00:48:03 ◼   ► and now it's a track pad,

00:48:05 ◼   ► and you can move the insertion point around,

00:48:07 ◼   ► move it up and down, you can essentially click,

00:48:11 ◼   ► and drag, and select text, it's crazy.

00:48:16 ◼   ► - There was this one point where Federighi was demoing this,

00:48:19 ◼   ► and he was doing stuff at such speed.

00:48:23 ◼   ► He clearly had practiced it a lot,

00:48:25 ◼   ► but it looked incredible,

00:48:27 ◼   ► and he was meant to do it fast to show you,

00:48:30 ◼   ► click that, cut that, copy that, paste it,

00:48:31 ◼   ► it was just like wow.

00:48:32 ◼   ► - It's like using a laptop to select text,

00:48:34 ◼   ► so forget about that.

00:48:35 ◼   ► Plus, on top of that, they improved hardware keyboard support.

00:48:40 ◼   ► - Yep, there's a task, there's an app switcher,

00:48:43 ◼   ► like on OS X.

00:48:44 ◼   ► - You can command tab through apps.

00:48:47 ◼   ► - And there's just a bunch of shortcuts now,

00:48:49 ◼   ► and I think it said when you plug in a keyboard,

00:48:51 ◼   ► it shows you them, so you know what you're dealing with.

00:48:55 ◼   ► - That's great.

00:48:55 ◼   ► really amazing stuff.

00:48:57 ◼   ► - These are all features,

00:49:00 ◼   ► I mean, maybe not the picture in picture video,

00:49:02 ◼   ► although that can make you more productive

00:49:03 ◼   ► because you're not just watching a video,

00:49:04 ◼   ► you're doing other stuff,

00:49:05 ◼   ► but these are productivity features.

00:49:07 ◼   ► And I think that's an important thing about that,

00:49:09 ◼   ► that announcement is that these are features

00:49:12 ◼   ► designed to make iOS on an iPad more capable

00:49:16 ◼   ► of being a productivity tool.

00:49:20 ◼   ► And we know from people like Federico

00:49:22 ◼   ► that you can use it to be productive now,

00:49:26 ◼   ► but this certainly makes it easier to be productive

00:49:30 ◼   ► and lets you be more efficient and more productive.

00:49:33 ◼   ► And maybe when I think of something like

00:49:35 ◼   ► that trackpad feature on the keyboard,

00:49:38 ◼   ► I think maybe make people who want to use the iPad

00:49:42 ◼   ► for productivity, but just, you know, when they try,

00:49:45 ◼   ► they end up saying, oh, it's too slow.

00:49:47 ◼   ► I've gotta move the little cursor around with my finger

00:49:51 ◼   ► and press delete a bunch of times.

00:49:53 ◼   ► It's not like on my laptop where I can just zip around.

00:49:55 ◼   ► And this may be the kind of feature

00:49:57 ◼   ► that makes somebody who had dreamed about it

00:50:00 ◼   ► but had just said, "Look, the iPad, it's just not realistic."

00:50:03 ◼   ► Take a second look and say, "Oh, actually, the iPad."

00:50:07 ◼   ► It really felt like, this is the first time we've had

00:50:09 ◼   ► something that felt like a cursor in iOS.

00:50:13 ◼   ► And it's only text selection,

00:50:15 ◼   ► but it still, it felt like a cursor, right?

00:50:17 ◼   ► You're moving that I-beam cursor around

00:50:20 ◼   ► with those two fingers.

00:50:22 ◼   ► And that's, you know, this is the iPad inching closer

00:50:27 ◼   ► to a traditional desktop computer metaphor,

00:50:30 ◼   ► which I think is also really interesting.

00:50:32 ◼   ► But it's a use case where the desktop computer

00:50:34 ◼   ► is just way more efficient than the iPad input is.

00:50:38 ◼   ► So really clever, looked really good,

00:50:41 ◼   ► the proof will be in the use obviously,

00:50:44 ◼   ► but just super exciting.

00:50:47 ◼   ► - And Siri is a personal assistant now.

00:50:50 ◼   ► Siri, in fact, is a brand for finding information

00:50:53 ◼   ► and not about speaking, because they described Siri

00:50:58 ◼   ► as being the information source behind

00:51:01 ◼   ► our natural language search in the search box.

00:51:06 ◼   ► Even though you weren't talking, you were typing,

00:51:09 ◼   ► they were saying Siri knows about these things.

00:51:11 ◼   ► So Apple is sort of making it clear

00:51:14 ◼   ► that what they view as Siri now

00:51:16 ◼   ► is this personal information assistant,

00:51:18 ◼   ► not just the thing that speaks to you.

00:51:22 ◼   ► - So there's the natural language questions

00:51:24 ◼   ► you can ask yourself.

00:51:26 ◼   ► It has more data like for sports

00:51:28 ◼   ► and you can ask it questions like,

00:51:31 ◼   ► they have an example on the website,

00:51:33 ◼   ► what's 18% of 56, 78, you can type that stuff in now.

00:51:37 ◼   ► So this stuff happens typing not just talking,

00:51:41 ◼   ► which is really good, I like that a lot.

00:51:43 ◼   ► And then it has the news stuff

00:51:45 ◼   ► and we mentioned the deep search,

00:51:47 ◼   ► but it's also trying to do a little bit of what Google Now on Tap is doing.

00:51:52 ◼   ► So you've got something up and you can get it to remind you,

00:51:56 ◼   ► so remind me of this later on,

00:51:58 ◼   ► and it will take the content from the message or the web page or whatever and do that.

00:52:02 ◼   ► Siri will add invites to your calendar automatically,

00:52:07 ◼   ► and will make more smart reminders for it,

00:52:11 ◼   ► like invitation, event alarms and stuff like that.

00:52:15 ◼   ► So it's saying like, you have an appointment at six o'clock,

00:52:18 ◼   ► there's some traffic right now, you should leave.

00:52:20 ◼   ► This is good stuff.

00:52:21 ◼   ► - Time to leave feature.

00:52:24 ◼   ► Yeah, and I had a couple of people ask me on Twitter

00:52:27 ◼   ► during the keynote, what makes this different

00:52:30 ◼   ► than what Google's doing?

00:52:31 ◼   ► And you know, we all just said that Google

00:52:32 ◼   ► was doing creepy things, and why is this not creepy?

00:52:35 ◼   ► The answer is, it may or may not feel creepy to you

00:52:37 ◼   ► that a computer knows things about you,

00:52:39 ◼   ► but as far as I can tell, the big difference is,

00:52:42 ◼   ► everything that's happening here is happening on the device.

00:52:44 ◼   ► Whereas much of what Google does happens in the cloud.

00:52:47 ◼   ► - And it's up to you if you find that creepy.

00:52:51 ◼   ► - Sure, sure, but it doesn't compromise Apple Store here,

00:52:55 ◼   ► which is it's your information on your device.

00:52:57 ◼   ► But it's good, Apple needs to do this.

00:53:01 ◼   ► This is a place where Apple is behind very clearly

00:53:05 ◼   ► in putting all this information together

00:53:07 ◼   ► and making it easy to find things

00:53:09 ◼   ► and to have the computer make some assumptions about you

00:53:13 ◼   ► because it knows a lot of information about you

00:53:16 ◼   ► and try to help you out.

00:53:18 ◼   ► This is all good stuff.

00:53:20 ◼   ► We'll see how it works in practice, right?

00:53:22 ◼   ► They do these demos and they blow us away.

00:53:24 ◼   ► And then in practice, we find that half of the stuff

00:53:26 ◼   ► doesn't really work right.

00:53:27 ◼   ► - Yeah, so you've always got a reserve judgment

00:53:30 ◼   ► on these kinds of things.

00:53:31 ◼   ► And then they rounded it off

00:53:32 ◼   ► with what they called the foundation enhancements,

00:53:35 ◼   ► which are working optimizing battery life,

00:53:38 ◼   ► including a new, what's it like, battery reserve mode,

00:53:42 ◼   ► kind of like the watch reserve mode, I guess.

00:53:45 ◼   ► They didn't really give any information on this.

00:53:46 ◼   ► - A low power mode, they said, that on stage said,

00:53:51 ◼   ► pulls levers you didn't even know existed

00:53:53 ◼   ► to give an additional three hours extended battery life.

00:53:55 ◼   ► I think this is the place where I wrote down

00:53:59 ◼   ► two of the biggest announcements of the day happened

00:54:01 ◼   ► at the end of an iOS section, almost as an aside.

00:54:05 ◼   ► And one of them is that according to Apple,

00:54:08 ◼   ► iOS 9 will,

00:54:11 ◼   ► They focused on real world use cases for battery life

00:54:15 ◼   ► and said that in typical use,

00:54:18 ◼   ► a phone running iOS 9 will last an hour more.

00:54:23 ◼   ► And that low power mode can extend

00:54:27 ◼   ► an additional three hours of battery time.

00:54:31 ◼   ► And then the second big one was

00:54:35 ◼   ► you needed 4.6 gigabytes free to install iOS 8

00:54:38 ◼   ► and you'll need 1.3 gigabytes.

00:54:40 ◼   ► And we talked about this a while ago on the show,

00:54:42 ◼   ► about like, what could they improve in iOS?

00:54:44 ◼   ► And this was huge that they've cut by,

00:54:48 ◼   ► you know, it's a quarter of the amount of space

00:54:51 ◼   ► that was required for the last update.

00:54:53 ◼   ► 'Cause a lot of people didn't update

00:54:55 ◼   ► because they had no room.

00:54:56 ◼   ► I think one of the reasons why iOS 8 adoption

00:55:00 ◼   ► is less than it's been in the past

00:55:02 ◼   ► is that, that people couldn't do it.

00:55:05 ◼   ► It's 83%, which is good, but it could be better.

00:55:09 ◼   ► And one of the reasons it's not is

00:55:10 ◼   ► if you only have two gigabytes free,

00:55:12 ◼   ► you're just not gonna update

00:55:13 ◼   ► because it needs four and a half.

00:55:15 ◼   ► And so they've really reduced that.

00:55:16 ◼   ► I think that's two huge pieces of news.

00:55:19 ◼   ► Making the iPhone's battery last an hour longer

00:55:22 ◼   ► in common circumstances is a giant deal.

00:55:26 ◼   ► And I thought it was interesting

00:55:27 ◼   ► that they just kind of tossed it in there.

00:55:28 ◼   ► Like yeah, battery's gonna be,

00:55:29 ◼   ► maybe they don't wanna oversell it,

00:55:31 ◼   ► but for me, I just read that and thought that's huge.

00:55:34 ◼   ► Just extending battery life in the iPhone at all,

00:55:36 ◼   ► plus offering a setting where you can be like,

00:55:37 ◼   ► I'm really worried, I've gotta go a long time

00:55:39 ◼   ► and I'm starting to run out of battery,

00:55:41 ◼   ► also a really nice powerful feature.

00:55:44 ◼   ► That again, there are some Android phones that do that now,

00:55:46 ◼   ► but Apple has not ever done that before,

00:55:49 ◼   ► and it's good to see them doing it.

00:55:50 ◼   ► They're promising better performance everywhere,

00:55:52 ◼   ► and they also said that iOS 9 is gonna run

00:55:54 ◼   ► on every device that iOS 8 ran on, which is good.

00:55:56 ◼   ► No cutoffs this year.

00:55:58 ◼   ► In the chat room, our friend Dan Morin,

00:56:00 ◼   ► I don't even know where he is right now,

00:56:02 ◼   ► but he's near us somewhere, says that if your phone knows

00:56:06 ◼   ► that it's phased down on a table

00:56:08 ◼   ► and won't turn the screen on when you receive a notification.

00:56:11 ◼   ► I mean, smart, right?

00:56:12 ◼   ► - That's smart stuff.

00:56:14 ◼   ► Just using the sensors that you have

00:56:16 ◼   ► to understand the context of the phone,

00:56:19 ◼   ► therefore allowing it to make more smart decisions.

00:56:21 ◼   ► - And it goes back to watching how people use your device

00:56:26 ◼   ► and what they use it for and making smart changes

00:56:31 ◼   ► to the features based on that, just observing them.

00:56:35 ◼   ► And I saw that a lot today.

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00:59:25 ◼   ► Hey, I'm back!

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00:59:33 ◼   ► - WatchOS 2.

00:59:34 ◼   ► - WatchOS.

00:59:35 ◼   ► - WatchOS, WatchOS.

00:59:36 ◼   ► - Lowercase W, no space.

00:59:38 ◼   ► - I don't like that.

00:59:39 ◼   ► - It's weird.

00:59:40 ◼   ► - So they have some new features.

00:59:42 ◼   ► We have some new watch faces.

00:59:43 ◼   ► I was kind of underwhelmed by this.

00:59:45 ◼   ► They have time lapses of certain cities and photos.

00:59:49 ◼   ► I was really hoping for some other watch faces

00:59:52 ◼   ► that have loads of complications

00:59:54 ◼   ► like the ones we have now.

00:59:55 ◼   ► That's what I wanted to see.

00:59:57 ◼   ► Yeah, it's not impossible that between now and the fall they will have some more.

01:00:01 ◼   ► I mean, they don't need to communicate to customers or developers that there'll be some

01:00:06 ◼   ► other watch faces, so they could add others or they could not.

01:00:10 ◼   ► I'm excited.

01:00:14 ◼   ► When this was just an idea, the Apple Watch, when they had the two events and we hadn't

01:00:18 ◼   ► actually used the final product, I think we thought a lot about the idea of custom watch

01:00:24 ◼   ► and having used the watch I started to think much more about custom

01:00:30 ◼   ► complications and like the faces are nice there could be more of them but

01:00:35 ◼   ► they're nice but the complications are so limited there are just these few

01:00:39 ◼   ► stock ones that Apple has provided and it turns out this was for me this was

01:00:43 ◼   ► the big news on the watch side of the day is yes native apps we knew that

01:00:48 ◼   ► would happen and that's that's got some potential but also that native apps

01:00:54 ◼   ► presumably will be able to push data into complications so that I can take

01:01:00 ◼   ► data from the Major League Baseball app of the my favorite team's current score

01:01:05 ◼   ► and have it appear as a as a complication or the one that I keep

01:01:11 ◼   ► thinking of is weather underground I've got the temperature on my weather

01:01:14 ◼   ► station at my house on Weather Underground, I would like to see that

01:01:18 ◼   ► temperature on my watch, not the, you know, whatever forecast Yahoo weather

01:01:23 ◼   ► temperature that's wrong. I want the real one, and an app knows that, so my watch

01:01:28 ◼   ► should be able to show that. Now with this complications, third-party

01:01:30 ◼   ► complications, we get that. That's gonna be exciting stuff. I'm thinking that with

01:01:36 ◼   ► third-party complications, I may go into a, like, setting of having different

01:01:40 ◼   ► customized watch faces, because you can set up different ones, right? Yeah, of the

01:01:44 ◼   ► the same face even, which is great.

01:01:45 ◼   ► - Yeah, I would have like my travel watch face,

01:01:47 ◼   ► which has my flight information and stuff.

01:01:48 ◼   ► I think that might be good to then set up

01:01:51 ◼   ► and to play around with.

01:01:51 ◼   ► - Yeah, I agree.

01:01:52 ◼   ► I mean, people are doing some of that now,

01:01:55 ◼   ► but it's gonna become even more so,

01:01:56 ◼   ► because there's only so much space

01:01:57 ◼   ► and different complications.

01:01:59 ◼   ► One thing they didn't talk about

01:02:00 ◼   ► that I do think ultimately they need to do is deal with,

01:02:02 ◼   ► maybe it's in there and we just don't know,

01:02:05 ◼   ► 'cause it didn't make it into the keynote,

01:02:06 ◼   ► but I like the idea of complications

01:02:08 ◼   ► that are aware of certain kinds of states.

01:02:13 ◼   ► An example with the existing one is when the calendar complication gets to "No more events of the day,"

01:02:19 ◼   ► it just says "No more events," which is just dumb.

01:02:22 ◼   ► And I wonder if, at some point down the road, you should be able to do things like say,

01:02:27 ◼   ► "I know that you're about to have a trip, so now I'm going to put up the travel complication,"

01:02:37 ◼   ► or something like that. And that's probably a ways off, but I feel like that's the next intelligent agent step for the watch.

01:02:43 ◼   ► that goes hand in hand with the Siri stuff.

01:02:45 ◼   ► Like eventually that stuff should filter into the flight.

01:02:47 ◼   ► - Right, it should know,

01:02:48 ◼   ► I can call up your flight information now and display it

01:02:51 ◼   ► because now I know you're about to go on that flight.

01:02:54 ◼   ► But otherwise I'm not gonna show it.

01:02:55 ◼   ► I'm just gonna show you this other,

01:02:58 ◼   ► some other piece of information that's relevant.

01:03:01 ◼   ► - Time travel is an interesting one.

01:03:02 ◼   ► So when you're on the watch face.

01:03:04 ◼   ► - From the people who brought you Time Machine,

01:03:06 ◼   ► now there's time travel.

01:03:08 ◼   ► - Basically you can spin the digital crown

01:03:10 ◼   ► in either direction

01:03:10 ◼   ► and it will update complications accordingly.

01:03:13 ◼   ► So for example, your calendar will show you

01:03:15 ◼   ► what's coming next or what's past,

01:03:18 ◼   ► the temperature stuff will change, that kind of thing.

01:03:20 ◼   ► And it'd be interesting, I don't know what's happened

01:03:23 ◼   ► with some apps, but there is an element of understanding

01:03:27 ◼   ► what's going on in the past and in the future

01:03:30 ◼   ► with this kind of thing.

01:03:30 ◼   ► - Right, they showed the Volkswagen app

01:03:32 ◼   ► that was trying to estimate, basically,

01:03:34 ◼   ► as you moved into the future,

01:03:35 ◼   ► it was able to provide an estimate

01:03:37 ◼   ► for how much your electric car would be charged

01:03:40 ◼   ► - That doesn't make any sense to me, that one.

01:03:42 ◼   ► So you could use it the next day.

01:03:44 ◼   ► Like that one, I get what they're doing,

01:03:46 ◼   ► but that example doesn't work.

01:03:48 ◼   ► - Well, it makes sense if you are,

01:03:52 ◼   ► I think what it makes sense is if you know

01:03:54 ◼   ► you need to drive, so when I went to New Jersey,

01:03:58 ◼   ► Lex Friedman picked me up at the airport,

01:04:00 ◼   ► and he can get to the airport and back

01:04:02 ◼   ► with his electric car, sort of just barely,

01:04:05 ◼   ► but he can get it, but it needs to be fully charged.

01:04:07 ◼   ► So I can see a scenario where you're looking,

01:04:10 ◼   ► you're checking and you wanna see,

01:04:12 ◼   ► is the car gonna be fully charged?

01:04:14 ◼   ► I'm going somewhere and I need it fully charged.

01:04:16 ◼   ► When's that going to be?

01:04:17 ◼   ► And your car's app will be able to know

01:04:21 ◼   ► and give time machine, not time machine,

01:04:24 ◼   ► time machine, time travel.

01:04:25 ◼   ► Time machine backs things up.

01:04:27 ◼   ► Time travel, completely different.

01:04:28 ◼   ► Use a time machine for time travel.

01:04:29 ◼   ► That's really confusing.

01:04:31 ◼   ► Time travel will let you see,

01:04:33 ◼   ► oh, I only need about 60% battery.

01:04:35 ◼   ► I'll get that in two hours.

01:04:37 ◼   ► Yeah, that may not be the most practical demonstration,

01:04:39 ◼   ► but I can see where you could use that.

01:04:41 ◼   ► Also, we should say this is a behavior

01:04:43 ◼   ► that's in current watch faces now.

01:04:44 ◼   ► It's in the astronomy and solar faces

01:04:47 ◼   ► that if you move the, in those, if you move the crown,

01:04:50 ◼   ► you can go forward and backward in time.

01:04:52 ◼   ► And so they've applied that to other faces

01:04:56 ◼   ► as this concept of sort of like seeing what's happening.

01:04:59 ◼   ► And it lets you see what's coming in your calendar later,

01:05:03 ◼   ► for example, if you've got a calendar complication,

01:05:05 ◼   ► which is interesting.

01:05:06 ◼   ► Somebody, I think, I may be stealing something

01:05:09 ◼   ► from Ask Upgrade, but somebody asked about how this relates

01:05:11 ◼   ► to maybe being Apple's response to the timeline view

01:05:14 ◼   ► in Pebble Time.

01:05:16 ◼   ► - Yeah, let me find that question, 'cause that, oh, no.

01:05:19 ◼   ► - And I'm not sure whether it's a response or not,

01:05:22 ◼   ► but it seems to be Apple's attempt to solve

01:05:24 ◼   ► the same problem.

01:05:25 ◼   ► - Yeah, that came from Oz.

01:05:26 ◼   ► He asked, "Do you think the time travel thing

01:05:27 ◼   ► "is a response to the timeline interface?"

01:05:30 ◼   ► I think, I mean, I look at that,

01:05:32 ◼   ► and my feeling would be that Apple saw that

01:05:35 ◼   ► and was like, "That's smart.

01:05:36 ◼   ► "We could do that."

01:05:37 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's possible, or it was on a parallel

01:05:39 ◼   ► track, but it's certainly trying to solve the same problem, which is, okay, I've got

01:05:43 ◼   ► this calendar complication, it shows me one thing, what if I want to scroll through my

01:05:47 ◼   ► calendar? Well, you can open the calendar app, but now you can just spin the crown and

01:05:52 ◼   ► move forward in time.

01:05:54 ◼   ► So we also have something that, so basically you now turn your watch into an alarm clock,

01:06:01 ◼   ► like an actual digital alarm clock on your nightstand, by putting your watch into a position

01:06:05 ◼   ► that nobody does.

01:06:08 ◼   ► I certainly don't, you don't, Stephen doesn't.

01:06:10 ◼   ► Laying it on its side, the non-button side,

01:06:14 ◼   ► and it displays--

01:06:15 ◼   ► - Clipping the charger to the back.

01:06:16 ◼   ► - Yeah, clip the charger to the back,

01:06:17 ◼   ► and it displays a clock, and it'll--

01:06:21 ◼   ► - Your next alarm.

01:06:22 ◼   ► - And your alarm, and you can press the crown to snooze,

01:06:25 ◼   ► and you can press the other button to turn it off,

01:06:27 ◼   ► and it's like, alarm clock mode for your watch,

01:06:30 ◼   ► which is super clever.

01:06:31 ◼   ► I have never thought to put my watch in that orientation,

01:06:35 ◼   ► but I guess I'll try it tonight and see what happens.

01:06:37 ◼   ► And all of these stands.

01:06:39 ◼   ► - All the stands.

01:06:40 ◼   ► - So none of them are in that orientation.

01:06:44 ◼   ► - No.

01:06:45 ◼   ► - So now there needs to be new stands.

01:06:46 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:06:47 ◼   ► - Not newsstand, newsstands.

01:06:49 ◼   ► - No, newsstands.

01:06:51 ◼   ► - Newsstands that work in this orientation,

01:06:55 ◼   ► which is very sad.

01:06:55 ◼   ► I feel terrible for people like 12 South.

01:06:59 ◼   ► Like that's sad.

01:07:01 ◼   ► So obviously we got what we wanted.

01:07:04 ◼   ► we get native apps and there's, yeah,

01:07:07 ◼   ► there's, I don't really know what to say here.

01:07:10 ◼   ► There's gonna be native apps.

01:07:12 ◼   ► - Yeah, and this is big because right now the UI,

01:07:14 ◼   ► well, Apple didn't say a lot about it either.

01:07:16 ◼   ► Apple said, "Hey, the UI, you know, was on the watch,

01:07:20 ◼   ► but the all the logic was happening on the iPhone app

01:07:22 ◼   ► and now it won't, it'll be on the watch, yay."

01:07:24 ◼   ► And then they moved on.

01:07:26 ◼   ► - Because I guess the people that know what that means

01:07:28 ◼   ► are happy with that, they don't need to say anymore.

01:07:30 ◼   ► - Well, there's more sessions at WWDC,

01:07:32 ◼   ► but I think they felt they didn't want to dive deeper.

01:07:34 ◼   ► - It wasn't necessary.

01:07:35 ◼   ► - Well, I mean, they did go into a list of things

01:07:38 ◼   ► that it does, right?

01:07:39 ◼   ► So it can use the network when you're on wifi,

01:07:44 ◼   ► which there were a couple of people I know mentioned

01:07:47 ◼   ► sort of like, well, why does that matter?

01:07:50 ◼   ► And it matters that if your phone is at home,

01:07:52 ◼   ► but you're at the market on the market's wifi,

01:07:55 ◼   ► those apps can use the network,

01:07:58 ◼   ► even though they're not attached to your phone.

01:08:00 ◼   ► Right now, that wouldn't work

01:08:01 ◼   ► because without your phone nearby,

01:08:03 ◼   ► they don't run those apps over the internet.

01:08:07 ◼   ► - Do you know where that's better?

01:08:08 ◼   ► The gym.

01:08:09 ◼   ► - Yeah, exactly, right?

01:08:10 ◼   ► - So the gym's wifi.

01:08:12 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah.

01:08:12 ◼   ► So even if you're nowhere near well,

01:08:14 ◼   ► there your phone and your watch might be on the same wifi

01:08:18 ◼   ► if you bring your watch to the gym.

01:08:19 ◼   ► - Well, you don't have to take your phone to the gym.

01:08:20 ◼   ► - But you don't have to take the phone to the gym, right.

01:08:23 ◼   ► I mean, for me, the example is I walk over to Whole Foods

01:08:25 ◼   ► and I just have my watch on.

01:08:26 ◼   ► I get to Whole Foods and I'm on the Whole Foods wifi,

01:08:29 ◼   ► all the apps in my watch will just work

01:08:30 ◼   ► or I go to Starbucks and I'm on the Starbucks Wi-Fi,

01:08:33 ◼   ► they just work.

01:08:34 ◼   ► So that's a big plus.

01:08:36 ◼   ► They have access, they can play audio out of the speaker

01:08:39 ◼   ► or to Bluetooth headphones.

01:08:40 ◼   ► They can play video.

01:08:42 ◼   ► - Use the microphone.

01:08:43 ◼   ► - They can use the microphone.

01:08:44 ◼   ► They said long or short form audio and short form video.

01:08:49 ◼   ► I thought that was interesting. - Yeah, Vines.

01:08:50 ◼   ► - Do not play YouTube videos in here.

01:08:52 ◼   ► - Nope.

01:08:53 ◼   ► - But Vines you could do.

01:08:54 ◼   ► Access to health kit including heart rate,

01:08:57 ◼   ► home kit access natively on the watch, accelerometer access,

01:09:00 ◼   ► the Taptic Engine where you can choose.

01:09:02 ◼   ► It sounds like you don't say buzz the Taptic Engine.

01:09:05 ◼   ► What they said was choose from a range of feelings.

01:09:09 ◼   ► So you'll choose from an emotion palette, I guess,

01:09:13 ◼   ► a vibration and sound pairing that have been curated for you

01:09:17 ◼   ► presumably by Apple's sound vibration,

01:09:20 ◼   ► Taptic pairing sommeliers or whatever.

01:09:25 ◼   ► But you could do that.

01:09:26 ◼   ► So you can, if you read a native app,

01:09:28 ◼   ► 'cause right now the existing Watch

01:09:44 ◼   ► that I would give is it's a big win for apps

01:09:46 ◼   ► that need that stuff, you know,

01:09:49 ◼   ► because there are a lot of watch apps

01:09:50 ◼   ► that I feel are sort of like pointless,

01:09:52 ◼   ► but there are also some that will be great

01:09:55 ◼   ► when they have access to this stuff.

01:09:57 ◼   ► - Do you have anything else you wanted to touch on

01:09:59 ◼   ► with the watch?

01:10:00 ◼   ► - I don't know.

01:10:03 ◼   ► I'll just say I'm looking forward to hearing

01:10:06 ◼   ► what developers think of the watchOS stuff,

01:10:09 ◼   ► because that's the open question.

01:10:10 ◼   ► Anybody listening to ATP has heard Marco talk about,

01:10:13 ◼   ► I don't know if I even want to do a native watch app

01:10:17 ◼   ► 'cause like it's all in the details

01:10:19 ◼   ► of what it allows him to do.

01:10:21 ◼   ► And as somebody who runs and has a watch

01:10:26 ◼   ► and has an iPhone and listens to podcasts,

01:10:28 ◼   ► I do kind of like the idea of being able to take

01:10:33 ◼   ► Overcast with me with a couple of podcasts

01:10:37 ◼   ► and not have to bring my phone with me.

01:10:38 ◼   ► I would like to do that.

01:10:39 ◼   ► And if the new watch native apps interface

01:10:44 ◼   ► allows Marco to build that tool for me,

01:10:46 ◼   ► I would love to have it.

01:10:48 ◼   ► But there are like 10 things it has to support.

01:10:52 ◼   ► And if one of them isn't there, he can't do it.

01:10:56 ◼   ► So I'm looking forward to hearing,

01:10:58 ◼   ► after the developers all go to all the sessions this week,

01:11:00 ◼   ► of course, that they'll report back.

01:11:04 ◼   ► And I'm looking forward to that.

01:11:05 ◼   ► 'Cause that'll give all of us non-developers

01:11:08 ◼   ► a little bit of a better sense of scope

01:11:10 ◼   ► of what the universe of possible Apple Watch apps is,

01:11:13 ◼   ► because it's not gonna be everything we can imagine.

01:11:16 ◼   ► There are gonna be limitations,

01:11:18 ◼   ► limitations of the operating system,

01:11:20 ◼   ► limitations of that little tiny device.

01:11:22 ◼   ► It's not that powerful, it's tiny.

01:11:26 ◼   ► So I'm looking forward to that,

01:11:27 ◼   ► now that it's out in the open,

01:11:29 ◼   ► because Apple promised this from day one.

01:11:31 ◼   ► Apple said back in September of last year,

01:11:34 ◼   ► there will be native apps eventually,

01:11:36 ◼   ► and we're getting very close to eventually now,

01:11:38 ◼   ► and we finally are gonna have the details.

01:11:40 ◼   ► So I'm looking forward to finding out from the developers

01:11:42 ◼   ► what they are.

01:11:43 ◼   ► - I couldn't help but watch that segment

01:11:45 ◼   ► and think you should have just waited and launched at this.

01:11:48 ◼   ► - Yeah, honestly, I think you're right now,

01:11:53 ◼   ► because although there are some good apps,

01:11:55 ◼   ► there are a lot of bad apps,

01:11:57 ◼   ► and there's also a lot of,

01:11:58 ◼   ► the reliance on that kind of tethering,

01:12:01 ◼   ► I have times when apps just don't launch on my watch,

01:12:04 ◼   ► and I can't tell why it's happening.

01:12:05 ◼   ► They just don't launch.

01:12:07 ◼   ► - I just--

01:12:08 ◼   ► - And it's different apps at different times.

01:12:09 ◼   ► Sometimes they launch, sometimes they don't.

01:12:11 ◼   ► Some apps never launch, some apps launch half the time.

01:12:15 ◼   ► It's kind of a mess.

01:12:16 ◼   ► And they're not that good.

01:12:18 ◼   ► I would rather have just had glances, honestly.

01:12:22 ◼   ► (laughs)

01:12:23 ◼   ► Little information glances.

01:12:25 ◼   ► Some-- - On their apps.

01:12:26 ◼   ► - Twitterific is good.

01:12:27 ◼   ► The Twitterific app is really good.

01:12:29 ◼   ► But, you know, I don't know.

01:12:31 ◼   ► - There are good apps,

01:12:31 ◼   ► but they all suffer from the same problems.

01:12:33 ◼   ► and then there are a huge number that are not good.

01:12:36 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean, there'll be loads of not good native apps,

01:12:40 ◼   ► but the good native apps will benefit, will be even better.

01:12:44 ◼   ► 'Cause even the good ones are bad in some ways

01:12:47 ◼   ► and it's not the developer's fault that they're bad.

01:12:50 ◼   ► Now, the point, so this is really interesting,

01:12:54 ◼   ► the music section.

01:12:57 ◼   ► Now, we were talking earlier, right at the top of the show,

01:13:01 ◼   ► about criticizing positively and negatively

01:13:05 ◼   ► the products and the announcements

01:13:07 ◼   ► and criticizing the presentation.

01:13:10 ◼   ► We didn't even mention the intro video,

01:13:13 ◼   ► like the comedy intro video.

01:13:14 ◼   ► - We had a couple of videos, right?

01:13:16 ◼   ► There was the Bill Hader video at the beginning,

01:13:21 ◼   ► which was funny. - Funny, it was good.

01:13:23 ◼   ► It worked.

01:13:24 ◼   ► - I thought it was funny and making,

01:13:29 ◼   ► I mean, it really was like, let's do a Saturday Night Live video about Apple things, making

01:13:33 ◼   ► references. There's the birds from Monument Valley were in there.

01:13:37 ◼   ► Angry birds get angry, shaking the bird.

01:13:40 ◼   ► It was funny. So there was that video. There were a bunch of videos, because there was

01:13:45 ◼   ► a video later about how great music is.

01:13:49 ◼   ► How great developers are.

01:13:51 ◼   ► How great developers are, how the app stores changed the world.

01:13:54 ◼   ► Lots of videos, actually.

01:13:55 ◼   ► Lots of videos in there.

01:13:57 ◼   ► The problem with music is, so for me,

01:14:00 ◼   ► as a person that wanted this service,

01:14:02 ◼   ► they have given me everything I wanted in theory.

01:14:04 ◼   ► I still feel like there's a lot more I need to learn.

01:14:06 ◼   ► - So Apple Music is what we're talking about.

01:14:07 ◼   ► - Yeah, Apple Music.

01:14:08 ◼   ► - It's the Beats Music revised to be Apple Music,

01:14:11 ◼   ► new service, which they announced.

01:14:13 ◼   ► You didn't really announce that clearly,

01:14:14 ◼   ► you just sort of jumped into it.

01:14:16 ◼   ► Paralleling, I think, this event,

01:14:20 ◼   ► which never really was super clear on what the service was.

01:14:26 ◼   ► There are a lot of questions, but the overview of what I've seen is exactly what I want.

01:14:32 ◼   ► It's a streaming service that has curation with playlists done by humans.

01:14:38 ◼   ► Yeah, and they made a point. That's one of their big differentiators is they really believe in human curators who know and love music.

01:14:45 ◼   ► And that they are, they said, you got to go beyond the algorithm. You can't just have an algorithm. You have to have people.

01:14:52 ◼   ► And that's what they're pushing here, which was Beats's...

01:14:57 ◼   ► Beats tried to make a big thing about that too, and Apple is extending that.

01:15:01 ◼   ► And I think that's good. This is very much Beats Music integrated into Apple's music app.

01:15:07 ◼   ► The problem was the presentation of this service seemed under-rehearsed,

01:15:14 ◼   ► and way too long, and just unfocused.

01:15:22 ◼   ► If we get to meta, meta, if we pull back to meta key, key note criticism as a presentation,

01:15:29 ◼   ► I felt like the first 90 minutes of the pre-- this presentation was really, really good.

01:15:32 ◼   ► Yep.

01:15:33 ◼   ► Tight, focused, disciplined, on message.

01:15:39 ◼   ► The last segment with music was none of those things.

01:15:43 ◼   ► It was flabby, it was undisciplined, it was self-indulgent, it failed to sell the product.

01:15:50 ◼   ► I will, as somebody who was at Macworld Expo in New York

01:15:55 ◼   ► in 2001 where John Rubenstein spent like half an hour

01:15:59 ◼   ► with weird animations of how the megahertz myth

01:16:02 ◼   ► wasn't real of Apple versus Intel,

01:16:04 ◼   ► this is the worst keynote performance since then,

01:16:08 ◼   ► this segment.

01:16:09 ◼   ► This was a bad, they did a bad job.

01:16:12 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:16:13 ◼   ► - And part of that might be,

01:16:13 ◼   ► well, those music guys, they're crazy,

01:16:16 ◼   ► but I gotta say, there was a moment in there

01:16:19 ◼   ► when Eddie Q was joking around on stage where I thought,

01:16:24 ◼   ► oh, this is what people mean when they say

01:16:27 ◼   ► that they find Apple presentations insufferable and arrogant.

01:16:30 ◼   ► And I don't generally agree with that.

01:16:32 ◼   ► I think that those people are generally wrong,

01:16:34 ◼   ► but it was like I was taken through the looking glass

01:16:37 ◼   ► for a moment there, 'cause I thought it was awful.

01:16:39 ◼   ► I thought they did a bad job.

01:16:41 ◼   ► They didn't sell the product,

01:16:43 ◼   ► and it was various degrees of embarrassing.

01:16:48 ◼   ► degrees of embarrassing. I mean, I thought Eddie Q went on way too long, like he was

01:16:52 ◼   ► really enjoying being on stage and was wasting our time.

01:16:55 ◼   ► He was playing so much music it didn't make any sense.

01:16:56 ◼   ► He was playing music loudly while talking, he was giving us a demo. I mean, if we want

01:17:00 ◼   ► to talk about the discipline here, he was giving us a demo of the music app. Like, this

01:17:04 ◼   ► is a... it felt like a presentation of a music service by people who don't understand how

01:17:09 ◼   ► to present services, and so they just presented an app and showed the music service inside

01:17:13 ◼   ► the app, but I don't think that did a good job of showing it. Like, yes, we know

01:17:17 ◼   ► how the music app works, but is the big story here that they revamped the music

01:17:23 ◼   ► app or that there's a whole music service backing it? And it felt like at

01:17:26 ◼   ► times that the music app was the story. There was also a really funny moment, I

01:17:30 ◼   ► actually had to lean over to Dan Morin and say, did I just hear that right? Where

01:17:33 ◼   ► he said, say we want to find an album. What we do is we tap on this button down

01:17:37 ◼   ► at the bottom that says "Artists." And the answer is it's like a toggle for

01:17:42 ◼   ► for all your different search types.

01:17:44 ◼   ► But in that moment I was like,

01:17:45 ◼   ► wow, that's really bad user interface design.

01:17:47 ◼   ► To find albums, tap artists.

01:17:49 ◼   ► To find artists, tap albums.

01:17:51 ◼   ► Because it's never the thing you want to search for,

01:17:53 ◼   ► it's the thing that you're already looking at.

01:17:55 ◼   ► But again, I was like, this is an app demo

01:17:59 ◼   ► and the service is the story,

01:18:00 ◼   ► so why are you demoing the app and not the service?

01:18:04 ◼   ► Jimmy Iovine's presentation was rambly and--

01:18:06 ◼   ► - He either didn't care or was really nervous.

01:18:09 ◼   ► I can't decide which one it was.

01:18:12 ◼   ► And that one was amazing because I felt like

01:18:14 ◼   ► if this was a third, somebody they carted out

01:18:18 ◼   ► from some other, from a record company

01:18:20 ◼   ► to make a presentation, they would have said,

01:18:22 ◼   ► "Look, you got 30 seconds and then we're just gonna

01:18:24 ◼   ► "come back out there and get you

01:18:25 ◼   ► "and turn off your microphone."

01:18:26 ◼   ► But he works for the company now.

01:18:28 ◼   ► They can't turn off his mic.

01:18:29 ◼   ► They can't use the big hook to pull him off stage.

01:18:31 ◼   ► He works for Apple.

01:18:32 ◼   ► So they just left him out there.

01:18:34 ◼   ► And then they brought Drake out.

01:18:36 ◼   ► And Drake, which was literally like,

01:18:38 ◼   ► I mean, again, again, I think this is the difference

01:18:40 ◼   ► between the tech industry and the music industry,

01:18:42 ◼   ► music industry, it's like schmoozing and talking up the artists and all this stuff, and that's

01:18:48 ◼   ► the problem I have with this presentation, I think fundamentally, in addition to it being

01:18:51 ◼   ► undisciplined and way too long and having no focus, is that it didn't feel like it was

01:18:56 ◼   ► about the consumers so much as about paying service to the music industry.

01:19:00 ◼   ► Drake was supposed to come on stage to explain the connect feature.

01:19:03 ◼   ► Yeah, to say this is what I'm really excited about connecting with my fans.

01:19:06 ◼   ► Instead, he told his story.

01:19:08 ◼   ► I don't know why he did that.

01:19:10 ◼   ► And then went away again.

01:19:12 ◼   ► That just...

01:19:13 ◼   ► Oh, yeah.

01:19:14 ◼   ► So, you know, I'm a Beats Music user.

01:19:17 ◼   ► I think this...

01:19:18 ◼   ► I'm excited about this.

01:19:19 ◼   ► It sounds like Beats Music users will be able to log in at the end of the month and basically

01:19:25 ◼   ► transfer all of their stuff over, I think, to Apple Music.

01:19:30 ◼   ► I think any credit that you've got in Beats Music transfers to iTunes.

01:19:34 ◼   ► There's a whole process that'll happen.

01:19:36 ◼   ► It seems like most of the Beats Music features are there and then they've been maybe augmented

01:19:39 ◼   ► a little bit, but, um, and they're doing this, uh, they're doing this radio station thing,

01:19:45 ◼   ► which like, um, like, uh, like, podcasting is worldwide and immediate, which is nice,

01:19:51 ◼   ► instead of like being in four countries that's gonna be everywhere, with your guy, Zane Lowe.

01:19:56 ◼   ► So Zane Lowe's heading beats one. Now, I have a, I, I can see why they're calling it beats

01:20:04 ◼   ► one because eventually there'll be beats two and there'll be beats three.

01:20:10 ◼   ► Zane Lowe came from Radio One. Radio One's logo looks incredibly like Beats One's logo

01:20:18 ◼   ► and I'm not sure why they have decided to go that route. I don't know if he advised

01:20:24 ◼   ► on it and Apple have not done due diligence but there are...

01:20:30 ◼   ► Trademark issues?

01:20:31 ◼   ► think

01:20:50 ◼   ► channel that is DJ'd. That is not taking into account different music tastes. And it seemed

01:20:56 ◼   ► like they will have other radio, but that's going to be the radio that they criticised.

01:21:01 ◼   ► Which I didn't understand. The playlist radio. But there is going to be a curated radio which

01:21:06 ◼   ► I will tune into because Zane Lowe is amazing. And do you know what they spoke about which

01:21:09 ◼   ► I found so exciting? They said they are building radio programs. They are creating radio programs

01:21:17 ◼   ► and they're hiring people to make those.

01:21:18 ◼   ► They have three DJs, whose names I can't remember,

01:21:21 ◼   ► and they're New York, LA, and London.

01:21:25 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:21:26 ◼   ► - And the lady who was the London DJ

01:21:29 ◼   ► was doing the voiceover for the video.

01:21:31 ◼   ► - That's Julie in London.

01:21:34 ◼   ► - Julie in London, there you go.

01:21:35 ◼   ► And so the service looks to me exactly what I want.

01:21:40 ◼   ► Apple did a horrific job of presenting that.

01:21:43 ◼   ► - And that's what I was getting at, you know,

01:21:45 ◼   ► is I can criticize the presentation.

01:21:48 ◼   ► I think the service is really interesting.

01:21:50 ◼   ► In fact, one of the reasons I feel like

01:21:52 ◼   ► I have to criticize the presentation even more

01:21:55 ◼   ► is that you can kind of forgive them

01:21:59 ◼   ► from obfuscating something that's not any good

01:22:02 ◼   ► and being like, "Look, look, fireworks, sparklers,

01:22:06 ◼   ► "an elephant, woo!"

01:22:08 ◼   ► There's this thing, it's the Motorola Rocker, yeah!

01:22:12 ◼   ► Right?

01:22:14 ◼   ► But this looks good.

01:22:16 ◼   ► It's Apple's first foray into music streaming subscription service.

01:22:22 ◼   ► They mean business.

01:22:23 ◼   ► They're putting it on Android.

01:22:25 ◼   ► They mean business here.

01:22:26 ◼   ► I know, right?

01:22:27 ◼   ► And yet, so one of the reasons that I'm this critical of the way that they presented it

01:22:33 ◼   ► is I think they did a bad job of presenting a good product.

01:22:35 ◼   ► And that's offensive to me more than anything else.

01:22:37 ◼   ► It's like, come on guys, you had this really interesting thing and you rolled it out in

01:22:42 ◼   ► this just bloated egocentric, you know, and it doesn't help that there was that

01:22:46 ◼   ► video not too much before this where they, where somebody literally compared

01:22:51 ◼   ► the App Store to the Industrial Revolution. That was priming the pump a

01:22:55 ◼   ► little bit of like, really? That is laying it on pretty thick. But the music thing

01:22:59 ◼   ► just put it to shame. The, the, the Eddy Cue dancing to music and the karaoke

01:23:04 ◼   ► references and the Jimmy Iovine's rambling and Drake not being sure why he

01:23:09 ◼   ► was there like, you know, he just turned up.

01:23:12 ◼   ► - They were writing jokes for him

01:23:13 ◼   ► that he didn't understand, like the revolutionary,

01:23:15 ◼   ► like it's three things, a revolutionary music service.

01:23:17 ◼   ► - Oh, well that killed me that Jimmy Iovine was making,

01:23:19 ◼   ► that slide makes reference to Steve Jobs thing,

01:23:22 ◼   ► I thought that's where he was going,

01:23:23 ◼   ► which is why everybody laughed.

01:23:23 ◼   ► - He didn't get the joke.

01:23:24 ◼   ► - And instead he's confused why people are laughing,

01:23:26 ◼   ► he looks behind him at the slide, he goes, "Oh yeah!"

01:23:29 ◼   ► Like, he doesn't really even understand what was happening.

01:23:31 ◼   ► And that would have been funny,

01:23:32 ◼   ► like Apple Music is three things,

01:23:35 ◼   ► it's a revolutionary this, it's the, are you getting it?

01:23:37 ◼   ► That would have been a funny bit.

01:23:38 ◼   ► Instead, he was just confused and rambly and, you know.

01:23:43 ◼   ► - Make a new endo.

01:23:45 ◼   ► - It's saying something that Eddy Cue

01:23:46 ◼   ► was the third worst presenter in that segment.

01:23:49 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:23:50 ◼   ► There's Drake, we got Drake.

01:23:52 ◼   ► Drake's at the top.

01:23:53 ◼   ► - Ah, really far.

01:23:56 ◼   ► - It was not good.

01:23:57 ◼   ► So it's 90 minutes of good,

01:23:58 ◼   ► and then there was this kind of like flabby,

01:24:01 ◼   ► unfocused thing at the end to launch the service,

01:24:04 ◼   ► and the services are better.

01:24:06 ◼   ► Do you know what it's just done?

01:24:07 ◼   ► What it's just done here, it's gonna do everywhere.

01:24:09 ◼   ► We're talking about how bad the presentation was

01:24:11 ◼   ► and not how good the product is.

01:24:13 ◼   ► We haven't even said about how much it's gonna cost,

01:24:15 ◼   ► we haven't spoken about any of that.

01:24:15 ◼   ► - Which is why I was saying, this is really useful

01:24:18 ◼   ► when you are trying to hide things.

01:24:20 ◼   ► But when you've got something you wanna stand behind,

01:24:23 ◼   ► unless this is like, well, let's analyze

01:24:26 ◼   ► Eddy Cue's blinking for Morse code,

01:24:27 ◼   ► perhaps he's sending secret messages to the music industry.

01:24:30 ◼   ► And this whole thing is pitched at artists

01:24:34 ◼   ► to get them excited because it certainly felt like, you know, music industry puffery about

01:24:40 ◼   ► how great Apple is and artists and we love them and all of that instead of being pitch

01:24:43 ◼   ► to consumers.

01:24:44 ◼   ► Maybe that was the point.

01:24:46 ◼   ► Maybe this is all about how, you know, Taylor Swift really ought to talk, you know, call

01:24:50 ◼   ► at EQ and call Jimmy Iovine and get in on this great thing.

01:24:55 ◼   ► But it's a shame if you're trying to make a clear message of this new service that you're

01:25:00 ◼   ► you're launching.

01:25:01 ◼   ► So it's $9.99 a month.

01:25:03 ◼   ► First three months are gonna be free.

01:25:06 ◼   ► It launches at the end of June.

01:25:08 ◼   ► So people are gonna get to use it for three months for free.

01:25:10 ◼   ► Then it's $9.99 a month or $14.99 a month

01:25:14 ◼   ► for up to six members of your family.

01:25:16 ◼   ► That uses iTunes family sharing to do that.

01:25:21 ◼   ► But that means that your kids' music tastes

01:25:24 ◼   ► are not recommended for you, which is key.

01:25:28 ◼   ► That's important.

01:25:29 ◼   ► And yeah, yeah, and Android. Android in the fall.

01:25:37 ◼   ► So I'm looking at they've got a free tier, they've got a paid tier.

01:25:41 ◼   ► So the free tier, you can view and follow artists on Kinect, you can listen to Beats 1,

01:25:45 ◼   ► and you can listen to Apple Music radio stations.

01:25:48 ◼   ► Sure.

01:25:49 ◼   ► But you can't skip them.

01:25:51 ◼   ► And then with the paid tier, you can skip the radio stations, like the Curate radio stations, that kind of thing.

01:25:57 ◼   ► You can play and save connect content.

01:25:59 ◼   ► You can like connect content or radio songs.

01:26:02 ◼   ► Enjoy unlimited listening from the music library.

01:26:04 ◼   ► Add stuff from the music library to your collection.

01:26:06 ◼   ► Save for offline and get the expert music recommendations.

01:26:09 ◼   ► That's what comes with paying for Apple Music.

01:26:11 ◼   ► - And that's basically what we have now, right?

01:26:13 ◼   ► That's like you're paying for Beats music.

01:26:15 ◼   ► iTunes Match exists, it's sold separately.

01:26:18 ◼   ► It's not integrated in any way.

01:26:19 ◼   ► And yeah, so it's, if you want to stream, you can do that.

01:26:26 ◼   ► but if you want to skip or have access to the library, you pay.

01:26:30 ◼   ► And then that I think it makes sense. I just am a little, it was weird.

01:26:34 ◼   ► It was really weird that that struck me as a nice 15 minute, um,

01:26:39 ◼   ► capper to the event. And instead it was this 30 minutes, just bizarre thing.

01:26:44 ◼   ► It was like Merlin man summed it up greatly in an ask upgrade tweet to us.

01:26:48 ◼   ► He said, for real, please explain Apple music slowly to me.

01:26:51 ◼   ► It's beats plus iTunes match plus social something like, yeah. I mean,

01:26:56 ◼   ► That was what they needed to explain.

01:26:57 ◼   ► - Right, and it's not iTunes match.

01:26:59 ◼   ► Yeah, it's iTunes match.

01:27:01 ◼   ► When you think about it, it makes sense.

01:27:02 ◼   ► iTunes match is more of a service for people who own music.

01:27:04 ◼   ► - Well, I mean, the thing is it's not iTunes match,

01:27:06 ◼   ► but they did say that the stuff that you have bought

01:27:09 ◼   ► will show up in your Apple music library.

01:27:11 ◼   ► - Yes.

01:27:12 ◼   ► - So it is kind of like iTunes match.

01:27:14 ◼   ► - Right.

01:27:16 ◼   ► - Yeah, as long as you're--

01:27:17 ◼   ► - Well, if I buy a Taylor Swift CD and rip it,

01:27:21 ◼   ► it's in my iTunes library for iTunes match,

01:27:23 ◼   ► but I'm pretty sure if I'm just,

01:27:27 ◼   ► if that's not on the service,

01:27:28 ◼   ► then it's not gonna show up.

01:27:29 ◼   ► - But that doesn't matter because you can just,

01:27:31 ◼   ► I don't even know why they do it anyway.

01:27:33 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:27:34 ◼   ► - I think it just shows up in your library automatically.

01:27:36 ◼   ► I think that's the thing.

01:27:37 ◼   ► - Maybe automagically.

01:27:38 ◼   ► - Yeah, automagically.

01:27:39 ◼   ► - That's even better.

01:27:40 ◼   ► - So should we do this mask upgrade?

01:27:43 ◼   ► - Yeah, let's do it.

01:27:43 ◼   ► Let's do it.

01:27:44 ◼   ► We'll move on.

01:27:45 ◼   ► Enough negativity about--

01:27:46 ◼   ► - I'm really excited about Apple Music.

01:27:49 ◼   ► This is exactly what we have been speaking about.

01:27:51 ◼   ► - I think the Beats 1 thing is really a cool idea too.

01:27:53 ◼   ► Yeah, I love that. We've been talking about this on Connected for months and this is exactly

01:27:58 ◼   ► what me and Federico want, but they were ham-fisted and awkward and just par quality.

01:28:08 ◼   ► Maybe it'll be like having a baby, you know, in the end you get the baby and you don't

01:28:11 ◼   ► have to worry about how awful the experience was, you just forget that part. Maybe it'll

01:28:16 ◼   ► be like that.

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01:30:23 ◼   ► - I have some follow up from Leon in the chat room.

01:30:25 ◼   ► So this comes from Apple's pages.

01:30:27 ◼   ► - Leon keeps pasting things in.

01:30:28 ◼   ► See, I haven't read Apple's pages

01:30:29 ◼   ► because I just went to the keynote.

01:30:31 ◼   ► - We just walked right in.

01:30:32 ◼   ► - All my information about Apple Music

01:30:34 ◼   ► is the information content of the presentation

01:30:37 ◼   ► about Apple Music, which as we've just detailed,

01:30:39 ◼   ► it was not a lot.

01:30:41 ◼   ► - Your entire library lives in iCloud

01:30:44 ◼   ► when you're an Apple Music member.

01:30:46 ◼   ► First, we identify all the tracks

01:30:48 ◼   ► in your personal collection and compare them

01:30:50 ◼   ► to add to the Apple Music library to see if we have copies.

01:30:53 ◼   ► If we do, we make them instantly available in iCloud

01:30:56 ◼   ► across all your devices.

01:30:57 ◼   ► If you have music that's not in the Apple Music library,

01:31:00 ◼   ► we upload those songs from iTunes on your Mac or PC

01:31:03 ◼   ► and because it's all stored in iCloud.

01:31:06 ◼   ► So it's available everywhere.

01:31:07 ◼   ► So it is iTunes match.

01:31:09 ◼   ► - Yeah, so basically iTunes match seems to be for people

01:31:12 ◼   ► who don't wanna pay for a streaming service.

01:31:14 ◼   ► then you just pay for iTunes Match.

01:31:17 ◼   ► - Steven Hackett, ladies and gentlemen.

01:31:19 ◼   ► - That's interesting.

01:31:20 ◼   ► Well then, if that's the case,

01:31:21 ◼   ► then I can just let my iTunes Match subscription lapse.

01:31:24 ◼   ► - Mine renewed like a week ago,

01:31:26 ◼   ► and I forgot about it. - Yeah, I wonder

01:31:26 ◼   ► if I could talk them into transferring that into credit

01:31:29 ◼   ► or something since I've already got, I don't know.

01:31:32 ◼   ► But yeah, then it is, it has that feature inside it.

01:31:35 ◼   ► - I have a small selection of Ask Upgrade.

01:31:38 ◼   ► - Yes, we got a lot, and thank you everybody.

01:31:40 ◼   ► - Yeah, we got a lot.

01:31:40 ◼   ► We actually answered a bunch of them throughout the episode.

01:31:42 ◼   ► So I've gone in and I've picked out the stuff

01:31:44 ◼   ► that I think is left that we haven't yet spoken about.

01:31:46 ◼   ► So this comes from Ben.

01:31:48 ◼   ► What is the significance of Apple making Swift open source?

01:31:52 ◼   ► This is something I don't really get.

01:31:57 ◼   ► - Well, okay, my guess is that the advantage of that

01:32:00 ◼   ► is that it can't be seen as a proprietary thing

01:32:03 ◼   ► that Apple can run away with,

01:32:06 ◼   ► that theoretically somebody could implement Swift elsewhere

01:32:09 ◼   ► on other platforms and that would be okay.

01:32:11 ◼   ► I'm not sure if it has any practical use or not.

01:32:14 ◼   ► I would like to hear a developer who's familiar with platforms

01:32:18 ◼   ► and languages and things like that talk more about it.

01:32:23 ◼   ► I like that Apple's open about it and not trying to say,

01:32:25 ◼   ► "No, no, this is ours. Stay away."

01:32:27 ◼   ► -I guess listen to ATP, right? -Yeah.

01:32:29 ◼   ► -You'll get what you need. -Yeah.

01:32:31 ◼   ► Basically, I want to hear what Jon has to say about it.

01:32:33 ◼   ► -Yeah. -So that's a follow-out,

01:32:35 ◼   ► future follow-out.

01:32:37 ◼   ► -From Nathan, would you have expected Apple

01:32:39 ◼   ► to address stability or issues like discovery D in this venue?

01:32:44 ◼   ► Or do you think they'll do this in other points

01:32:46 ◼   ► at WWDC in the week?

01:32:49 ◼   ► Or just completely gloss over it and just be like,

01:32:53 ◼   ► "Just say what they said. We're making it better."

01:32:55 ◼   ► -There's probably a session somewhere

01:32:57 ◼   ► where they'll talk about it that's about,

01:32:59 ◼   ► you know, some esoteric something involving

01:33:02 ◼   ► low-level networking or networking APIs

01:33:07 ◼   ► or something like that where somebody will say,

01:33:09 ◼   ► "Oh yeah, we brought back the old one

01:33:12 ◼   ► 'cause it's more stable and thank you for your feedback

01:33:15 ◼   ► and we'll bring back the new one once we're sure

01:33:17 ◼   ► that it will work better or something."

01:33:19 ◼   ► I think that'll be it.

01:33:21 ◼   ► - And then we have from The Hexagon,

01:33:23 ◼   ► what do you think of the new photo extensions for Mac?

01:33:27 ◼   ► The idea that they're gonna have them,

01:33:29 ◼   ► I mean, they kinda mentioned that this might be a thing.

01:33:31 ◼   ► Yeah, what do you think about that?

01:33:34 ◼   ► - It's good.

01:33:35 ◼   ► The more extensions you can add to photos, the better,

01:33:40 ◼   ► because that functionality,

01:33:41 ◼   ► there's sort of base functionality there.

01:33:43 ◼   ► And they suggested when they announced

01:33:45 ◼   ► that Aperture was going away,

01:33:46 ◼   ► I think they implied that that would happen,

01:33:49 ◼   ► and it just hadn't happened with the 1.0.

01:33:51 ◼   ► In fact, I think I wrote a little sidebar in my book

01:33:53 ◼   ► about photos that says it's a 1.0,

01:33:58 ◼   ► and it's entirely possible that their strategy

01:34:02 ◼   ► is what it was with Final Cut,

01:34:03 ◼   ► which is get the 1.0 out there,

01:34:05 ◼   ► and then start adding in all those features

01:34:07 ◼   ► that everybody's complaining that aren't there,

01:34:09 ◼   ► but they couldn't do it all at once,

01:34:11 ◼   ► so they'll roll them in,

01:34:12 ◼   ► and maybe that's what we're looking at here,

01:34:15 ◼   ► is rolling some of that stuff in now.

01:34:17 ◼   ► - Rajeev asked, "Are you surprised

01:34:19 ◼   ► "there was no announcement on photos

01:34:21 ◼   ► "or iCloud storage pricing?"

01:34:22 ◼   ► - I'm not surprised, I'm a little disappointed.

01:34:26 ◼   ► I'm not sure that was necessary now.

01:34:28 ◼   ► I think they could announce that at any point

01:34:30 ◼   ► if they really wanna change their storage pricing.

01:34:32 ◼   ► I do feel like it's too high and it's going to depress use of these services, but, you know, if that's--

01:34:40 ◼   ► Apple has better numbers about that. All I have is my, you know, opinions.

01:34:44 ◼   ► Apple has really good numbers about that sort of thing. I'm sure they have estimates internally about how well they think this is going to sell

01:34:51 ◼   ► and how many people are complaining that they're out of space or whatever and what the size of the average photo library is

01:34:56 ◼   ► and all these things that they probably know, and if they feel like they're not living up

01:35:02 ◼   ► to what they expect and suspect that it's because their pricing is too high, then they'll

01:35:06 ◼   ► change it. I don't think they need to do it today. I'm a little disappointed because it

01:35:09 ◼   ► would have been, I want it to happen, I want them to be more competitive with their rates,

01:35:14 ◼   ► but you know, they could do that. They could literally do that anytime and not even tell

01:35:17 ◼   ► anybody and just change it. They don't even need an event or a press release.

01:35:22 ◼   ► from Josh, does Notes still have the terrible paper background texture?

01:35:26 ◼   ► I think so. Yeah, that's unfortunate I think. I wish they would have gotten rid of that.

01:35:32 ◼   ► Maybe there's a preference to... I wish, I wish, there won't be, but I wish

01:35:35 ◼   ► there was. I don't think there is. I think if they're

01:35:37 ◼   ► gonna make the app more sensible and serious, I think they should treat the UI similarly,

01:35:42 ◼   ► in my opinion. I think that I don't even understand why in the iOS 7 land it would still look

01:35:48 ◼   ► like that and have like this text paper background.

01:35:51 ◼   ► - The legal pad thing too is just baffling to me.

01:35:55 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:35:55 ◼   ► - Post-it notes.

01:35:57 ◼   ► - Yeah, very weird.

01:35:58 ◼   ► - No.

01:35:59 ◼   ► - Not a fan of that, but we'll see what happens there.

01:36:02 ◼   ► I think we've come to the end.

01:36:03 ◼   ► - I think so.

01:36:04 ◼   ► - So.

01:36:05 ◼   ► - We've reached the end now.

01:36:06 ◼   ► - We're gonna be doing a bunch of shows

01:36:07 ◼   ► from San Francisco this week.

01:36:09 ◼   ► There's gonna be a lot more coverage of WVDC.

01:36:11 ◼   ► You wanna check out Connected, Clockwise and Rocket.

01:36:14 ◼   ► Gonna be a bunch of different angles on this stuff

01:36:17 ◼   ► and we're gonna be covering it throughout the week,

01:36:18 ◼   ► so you can check those out on relay.fm.

01:36:21 ◼   ► There'll be a lot of interesting stuff there

01:36:23 ◼   ► that you'll be able to treat your ears to

01:36:26 ◼   ► throughout this week as we find out more about this stuff

01:36:30 ◼   ► and talk about it as the week goes on,

01:36:31 ◼   ► talk to developers, see what they think,

01:36:33 ◼   ► and we'll be able to report back to you guys

01:36:36 ◼   ► what the word on the street in San Francisco is.

01:36:39 ◼   ► - That's right, we're here,

01:36:40 ◼   ► we're high atop the relay towers right now,

01:36:42 ◼   ► broadcasting live at, like Beats 1.

01:36:46 ◼   ► These one will join us later, but we are broadcasting live worldwide with no release, no staggered

01:36:51 ◼   ► release windows simultaneously worldwide right now.

01:36:53 ◼   ► Just how we do it.

01:36:54 ◼   ► From San Francisco.

01:36:56 ◼   ► If you want to send us in feedback, follow up, that kind of thing, you know, you can

01:36:59 ◼   ► always use #AskUpgrade for that stuff as well as your questions.