The Incomparable

00:00:00 ◼   ► the uncomfortable number 231 December [TS]

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00:00:12 ◼   ► welcome back everybody to the [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► uncomfortable it is time for us to [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► discuss road one a Star Wars spin-off [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► type story that was released December 16 [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► which is when we're recording this well [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► at least I mean except now you can see [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► it like in the late afternoon the day [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► before but anyway we have seen it and [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► we're going to talk about it so I'm [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► joined by fine panel who is going to [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► help me with our quick reactions to a [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► movie we've i think probably only seen [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► once [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► well let me know if you see more than [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► once and just yesterday so you know [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► definitely first impressions here i am [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► joined by the following fine people as [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► with almost every star wars conversation [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► i have i'm joined by serenity Caldwell [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► hello hello I'm glad to be here and a [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► little emotionally unstable after [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► watching the movie [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► sometimes i just have random [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► conversations with people about star [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► wars have to call you to get you [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► involved in it because i don't have [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► conversations about star without you or [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► without John siracusa hello [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► you know I've analyzed this podcast [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► Jason and there is a danger should have [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► your ship standing by [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► i'm also joined not by the another [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► person I would usually have here is Dan [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► morning but he's traveling and so it's [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► taken two men to replace him [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► Monty ashley is here hello sorry I'm not [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► dead boring and Tony sindelar Allison [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► that i will be replaced with dan Warren [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► vset I had that kind of ghostly horrible [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► way that's just a random besides that's [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► just straight yes it seems a little bit [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► strange [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► before we dive into the details of this [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► I i thought i would see about getting a [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► little bit of an overview an opening [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► statement if you will but I an overview [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► about about your general impressions of [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► the movie when you walked out of the out [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► of the theater i'm kind of curious [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► I'll go first with mine which is to say [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► that I enjoyed it a lot i found that [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► there are a bunch of things in it worth [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► criticizing because i don't think it was [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► a perfect movie by a long shot i would [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► say that it was a solid movie with some [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► things that I have issues about but one [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► of the things that I thought as I was [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► walking out of the theater was it's [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► really nice to be at the point where my [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► expectations for Star Wars movies are so [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► high and that I feel that the franchise [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► is on such sort of legitimate creative [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► ground that it is worthy of criticism [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► that is not just kind of moaning and [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► projectile vomiting so you know it's [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► it's that I mean really like I i think [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► this is this is a substantial and [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► interesting and ambitious movie and [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► while I have some problems with it it's [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► like you know it's not like a like I you [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► can say i have problems with the [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► prequels but boy if that is a real [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► understatement anyway that's that sort [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► of my feeling about this is that i liked [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► it but I do have some issues that i [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► would like to get into about it too [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► because I i don't i don't have the I [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► don't think of it as highly as I i [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► thought the force awakens when I walked [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► out of that for the first time I put it [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► that way [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► other thoughts ran what was your what [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► was your take walking out of here [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► yeah I feel very similarly this is a [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► Star Wars movie and it is or rather it's [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► a movie in the store wars canon but it [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► is not a star wars movie the way that [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► force awakens was or the original [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► trilogy wear it in some ways doesn't [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► have the same i didn't have the same [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► kind of like oh my god it has to be on [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► this level and instantly iconic or it [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► will be forever tarnished in the gates [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► of Hell or something [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► I'm no I walked out of that really a [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► little bit emotionally or rot in and [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► hurting but also appreciative of what [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► the filmmakers were trying to do and I [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► and like you said I i don't think that [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► everything in there [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► was a grand slammer a success but i [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► think it was a solid movie it's a much [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► it reminded me a lot of trying to put a [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► I star or like the first the first [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► successful star wars movie to put a star [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► wars book on screen it felt it felt very [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► much like the realization of what we all [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► kind of imagined that the star wars [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► sequels would be once upon a time like [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► the oh they're just gonna film the EU [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► and things go from there [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► I but I I'm really happy with with the [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► product that they ended up putting [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► together [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► Monty what are your what you know what [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► were your first thoughts about this film [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► when you're walking out of the theater I [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► cared more about what was going to [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► happen to the characters in this movie [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► then I have for a long time in Star Wars [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► movies or media and I think that's [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► because I literally didn't know what was [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► going to happen to them in the prequels [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► I going in with a pretty good idea where [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► obi-wan and Anakin are going to end up [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► in the force awakens there was a big [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► twist towards the end that came as a [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► surprise but not that big a surprise and [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► even then it just happened here there [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► was way more for me anyway [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► suspense and tension and worry about you [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► know is she going to be okay what's [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► going to happen and I found that really [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► refreshing because we're not part as Ron [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► said we're not part of the big saga were [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► off in a corner were it's a different [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► genre of movie and that means the old [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► rules don't apply right [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► we almost got through a movie with no [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► one having a bad feeling about anything [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► he was cut off right [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► yeah don't shut up Tony what about you I [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► think I came out of it feeling really [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► good about it I am uh honored and a [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► horrible person so I think the first [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► thing I did was like here's the list of [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► the think six things I don't like about [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► this movie sure which is you know maybe [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► not the opposite of a positive way to [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► approach it but I guess it's like these [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► are the six things i do not like because [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► the rest of it I did [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► really like and that was really great [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► and fun and exciting and you know this [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► is not a short movie but I was never [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► bored during it [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► I was and I was also i was sitting in [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► the second row love the movie theater [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► which almost never do and I was like [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► this may be unpleasant and maybe I'm [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► gonna want to see this again right away [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► because this experience sitting in the [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► second row will be so awful but it was [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► great and I had a lot of fun and I [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► enjoyed it and yes hours [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► Star Wars John what about you what were [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► your thoughts coming out of the theater [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► I i avoid spoilers pretty well i watch [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► the teaser and we will talk more about [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► that later probably but out but what it [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► means is that i didn't know the story to [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► this movie other than you know how [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► they're gonna go to desktop plans and [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► they're going to get them because you [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► know we saw that and and stars if I see [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► the outline of this movie like okay [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► we're thinking in this movie it's gonna [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► be the movie where they get the desktop [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► plans [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► here's the outline here is basically [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► what happens i would have been like two [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► thumbs up [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► that sounds like a great idea and i [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► still think that like having seen the [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► story like this was a good idea for a [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► story at you know big and small not just [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► they should have like a movie where they [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► try to get the Death Star plans but [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► every part of it every every every [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► character every relationship between the [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► character everything that like I think [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► it is a well-conceived outline but like [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► Tony when I came out of the movies like [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► execution-wise how well did you execute [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► on that outline and you know how did it [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► all hang together i had many quibbles [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► with it and I think like Jason will [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► probably uh say later i also was hoping [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► for this movie to feel more free to [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► diverge from the Star Wars movies and it [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► definitely did you like read this is a [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► chance to not have to be low as Star [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► Wars Star Wars movies the chance to do [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► something different but my main [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► impression was that I really liked the [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► story i was always liked the story i was [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► excited by the story i'm excited to see [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► it again but in many many aspects of the [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► execution and and many small details I [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► feel like they just they're just a [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► little bit off-center this kind of [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► missed the mark so I came out of it [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► being relieved it wasn't terrible but [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► like Jason aight aight i definitely the [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► force awakens that we made a bigger [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► impression on me before so it was a more [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► important movie and [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► think the force awakens also a better [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► movie but this movie was good and I'm [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► looking forward to seeing it again [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► yeah best prequel by far the right I [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► refuse to call it that haha it did do [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► some of the things that I like about the [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► cartoons the rails and clone wars shows [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► like you can see what's bad about the [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► Empire and what people don't like about [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► having them control having the Empire [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► control their planet [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► I mean those shows are about war in a [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► way that this movie is and basically [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► none of the other stars movies there's a [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► scene that was practically the first [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► scene of Star Wars rebels yeah yeah yeah [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► no I mean it's an evil empire and the [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► perspective from the saga movies you [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► don't always see it on the scale of the [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► like the people who live in me and the [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► Empire and we get we get some of that in [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► row 1 i'm curious i mean something off [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► of what John just said you know being a [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► star wars III didn't notice at several [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► points throughout this like I kept [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► asking myself the question is it trying [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► too hard to be a star wars movie or is [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► it trying too hard to not be a star wars [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► movie and I felt like throughout Rhode [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► one was not entirely sure what it wanted [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► to be now given that this is the first [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► of these that they've made that is the [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► off-year not part of the continuing [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► story line thing that's not surprising [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► they I think we're learning as they went [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► but it did feel at times like perhaps [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► the movie was a little afraid of [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► diverging too far from the Star Wars [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► brand or sometimes I thought perhaps had [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► been pulled back from its original [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► intent in order to keep it from [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► diverging from the brand and then [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► throughout you know I I kept feeling [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► that same kind of question of like how [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► many references to Star Wars stuff do we [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► put in one more than everybody wants [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► yeah i mean i I'd say three of my sick [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► Squibbles are about that but I i mean i [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► think it walks that line pretty well and [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► it kinda has to walk that line I think [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► in part because the matically it feels [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► so different than the other Star Wars [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► movies and so it's like we have to [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► include all these kind of you know [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► potentially annoying fanservice see [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► things too like remind you like yeah [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► this is still the kind of movie that we [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► you want to pay money to be at and [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► seeing this is still star wars movie [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► even if it's going to feel very [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► different in terms of like the tone and [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► not spending a lot of time looking at a [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► Jedi on on on on in every scene and [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► things like that but it's like yeah [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► we'll still be blue milk in the you know [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► that the settings will still look like [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► things in their storm troopers [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► everywhere but it did feel a little bit [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► like at times it was trying to [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► overcompensate for that it's like we [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► have to have all the Star Wars props [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► scattered around every every set to [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► remind you this is still a Star Wars [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► movie even though we're telling stories [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► that are not about Jedi and feel kind of [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► different than the stories that get told [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► in the other films at least though in [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► the infinite ancillary media somewhere [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► all-star smooth stories have been told [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► so you think they have to walk that line [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► though because like you said I all that [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► they have to have this tension between [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► the all-new I think the force awakens [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► had to walk that line because it's the [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► continuing you don't want to be too hard [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► like that that's what the force awakens [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► how to do this movie was a chance to [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► break completely not from like you find [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► put a prop in there or whatever but I'm [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► saying like I felt the same tension of [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► like breaking from like do you have to [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► feel like a Star Wars movie [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► yeah I mean I guess this does the like [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► the tokens and the signposts and the the [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► c-3po and r2d2 cameo and the cantina [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► creatures cameos whereas force awakens [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► is like no we have to have a trench run [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► no I don't even mean that like you so so [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► removed the way the movie started like I [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► thought it got off to such a great start [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► because thatthat's the tension all of [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► our heads like how was it going to be [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► like to watch Star Wars movie that we [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► know is like not supposed to be like a [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► regular star wars movie and the whole [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► thing before I was gonna have a crawl [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► whatever totally seem like it wasn't [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► gonna have a crawl [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► I was surprised to see a long time going [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► galaxy far far away i was very surprised [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► to see that was like wait a second I [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► wrong because I i had been avoiding [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► spoilers or anything about it so for all [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► i know the entire internet known for six [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► months that was going to be a crawl so [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► they put that up on the screen like [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► point it they can do a crawl and haha no [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► they're not they got you like they do a [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► little stinger and they come in and what [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► do they come in on they come in on a big [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► grey triangle coming from the top of the [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► screen [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► it's not a Star Destroyer it's just a [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► great triangle made up of the Rings wish [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► of a planet with the shadow going over [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► that happens to make a triangle your [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► notice that as we swing the camera and [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► also that they did like cutting cutting [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► to a planet cutting to a big grey [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► triangle like they were totally like [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► I know that you know that I know that [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► you're looking for the thing but I'm [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► going to tell you that this is going to [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► be different and putting the big words [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► up on the screen for the settings and [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► everything it was like the movie was [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► trying to assert its independence like [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► it like a you know a teenager trying to [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► show that it's ready to be on its own i [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► did not like that [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► I hated that it reminded me so much of [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► guardians of the galaxy in a way that I [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► just really did not appreciate but it [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► was not Star Wars dislike it did you [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► hate it because it wasn't Star Wars sure [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► because you would have hated it in any [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► movie [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► no I it distant it wasn't necessary [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► because in every single scene right [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► we're in every scene where they put the [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► words up of like this is this you know [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► this is jetta they say maybe three [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► minutes in [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► yeah we're on Jetta Jetta is the last [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► you know full of Kyber crystals it's one [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► of those it's it's lazy storytelling [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► where you don't need to put words up of [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► a far-off planet on the galaxy [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► especially some of them were just like [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► they only have one scene there they [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► don't need anything right you never need [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► another neighbor but i got i'm not even [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► talking specifically about the weather [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► the words are there because I agree they [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► were they didn't need to be there [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► storytelling wise i'm just saying [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► stylistically it was such a statement [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► that they are going to do things [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► differently than Star Wars and you know [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► I said the movie starting off of [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► supporting those expectations i thought [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► okay that's it is really going to go it [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► on its own but then it couldn't couldn't [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► leave the nest like it wanted to show [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► its parents that it was an independent [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► adult but really it's still a teenager [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► and it would keep circling back to to [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► pull in the references and like I mean [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► obviously gonna be characters are really [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► you know i'm not saying all they can't [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► have gotten better in this movie is like [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► you know I I'm giving it all that I'm [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► saying you don't need to bump into [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► what's-his-face wanted a death sentence [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► on 12 systems however not need to bump [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► into him on the public he has a name i [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► actually genuinely likes it [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► what does he do just bump into people [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► all over the galaxy and if I and say the [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► same thing yeah wonder he's wanted men [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► yeah he's running a con that's his con [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► like he bumps into you and and then his [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► partner shakes you down for money right [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► it's rice is you just want the other guy [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► consultant the butt facing a consultant [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► what's-his-name Tony clearly it spawned [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► Obama and dr. [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► then Elvis's I don't know it'sit's belt [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► but he's gonna see it i don't know how [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► many syllables are actually in it and I [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► think they did most of those pretty well [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► I'm just saying like this movie couldn't [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► quite break entirely from a but it you [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► could see that it wanted to [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► stylistically and am you know and I'm [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► trying to stop speaking in broad terms [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► because i'm going to execution like [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► everything runs that is totally true [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► like execution-wise like you could have [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► in the planning stages the outline and [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► we're gonna have words on the screen to [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► establish settings and like okay well [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► you know that's a stylistic differences [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► like you can really set your own for the [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► movie but then if you put those words on [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► a planet there's only showing one scene [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► that you never need to know the name of [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► that you're blowing it [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► yeah well and also on top of that they [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► don't do it for every single planet and [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► reckon they specifically don't put the [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► the tag on because they don't want to [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► give away who you're going to go see on [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► the planet and I'm like well well how [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► many wanna planets are there [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► yeah but it's just it's the principle of [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► the thing either you're going to label [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► every single planet like Star Trek or [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► guardians or net name of science fiction [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► picture of the last 30 years or you're [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► going to let your audience be smart [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► enough to learn about the planets via [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► dialogue or realize that the planets are [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► actually important to know about unless [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► you want to read the candidate you know [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► the canonized novels or the visual [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► dictionary is so iconic anyway because [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► like the reason Star Wars doesn't have [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► the label planets is there's a water [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► planet business no planets planet like [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► they don't need to label them when [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► they're so incredibly different it's not [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► as people going to get confused like it [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► is that scarf or is that most of our can [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► I can't tell like Ronnie this is the [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► district nine planet this is the blade [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► runner planet uh-huh [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► this is the rain planet i like that over [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► implants my feeling is definitely though [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► that that there is this [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► yeah just just a little bit of [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► tentativeness or like I said thinking [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► about you know you would think that they [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► would have freedom because this is not a [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► saga movie to go to be different but at [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► the same time you know you're if you're [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► Kathy Kennedy and the other people at [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► Lucasfilm you are stewarding an [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► incredibly important brand and you don't [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► wanna I mean nailing force awakens was [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► number one on the agenda but getting [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► these movies to work is important and [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► you don't want to kind of screw-up Star [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► Wars if you can help it and [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► and I did have those moments where I [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► thought you know I don't know whether [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► this is is trying a little too hard to [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► to to be star wars or to not be star [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► wars III felt a little bit like that [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► with the music too although hearing the [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► story about how little time Michael [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► chiquinho had to write the music i'm not [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► sure i can blame him but there are [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► several moments early on where there are [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► clearly like a call there clearly calls [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► to reference John Williams Star Wars [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► music and it doesn't happen it comes [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► close but it doesn't and then it's weird [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► because like the last half of the movie [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► he just gives up and is totally [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► referencing all the John Wayne stuff and [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► I don't really understand that that [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► either like why didn't you quoted [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► earlier when we really wanted it and now [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► you're throwing it in there you know all [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► the time during the during the last 30 [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► minutes of the movie I I was baffled by [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► that too i'm gonna disagree with that [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► actually because Jen's theme is pretty [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► much an entire subversion of of madalas [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► theme of padmé seem from tak of the [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► clones and it comes in first five [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► minutes of the movie where it's like I [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► actually felt like there was a very [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► clear undercurrent of gk no score that [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► felt it felt like a Star Wars movie it [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► felt like it was a star wars score but [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► it had an attitude that it was [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► distinctly its own [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► I don't I for me it did not feel like a [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► ripoff of Williams at all or an [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► imitation of Williams it felt like we [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► were going to live in this universe and [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► we're going to play by the musical rules [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► of this universe but we are going to [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► compose you know things that are [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► distinctly for Road one and you have the [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► same thing with in sort of the closing [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► scenes you have the start of the start [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► of the you know what you think is the [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► star wars refrain and then it goes [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► somewhere else because we're not there [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► yet we haven't earned that yet i like [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► the music referencing you know god help [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► me for saying this but i like them it [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► was referencing the prequel music which [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► you know i think the music and the [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► prequels is one of the few things about [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► that whole set of movies that i actually [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► like literally you know encore [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► uncritically just really like and when [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► it was referencing whatever that [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► whatever the sad music is from episode 3 [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► when [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► you can get online and everything [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► referencing that later in the movie when [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► we're dealing with Vader who is semi-new [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► leave a turd right I thought that [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► totally worked [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► and it's a it's a great feat to make me [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► feel a sentimental emotional connection [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► to a series of movies that I hate by by [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► referencing the music now granted it's [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► not the score does not stand out on its [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► own and and i think in retrospect the [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► force awakens soundtrack has grown in my [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► steam over time as I suspected it might [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► it's not on that level [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► I don't think it has to be but I do [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► agree that in the beginning it takes [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► awhile to find its footing you don't [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► have to just restaurants classic classic [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► themes and have standout themes of your [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► own to do something with the music but I [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► feel like right off the bat from from [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► the from the the gag of not having the [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► the crawl the music didn't quite know [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► where to go until like rancid got into [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► character themes and those were ok but [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► there was nothing really iconic and the [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► only real misstep I think it took other [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► than not having its own iconic songs and [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► not as not being as self-assured as the [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► force awakens again i'll probably [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► explained by the change in the composers [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► and the time constraints and everything [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► is this is one of this is a Tony level [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► nickel i would not have a i would not [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► have reference the imperial march [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► against an empire song and we're not [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► even into a new hope yet so don't do [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► that how they worried we wouldn't [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► recognize Darth Vader oh that's the [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► darth vader music yes but it doesn't [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► come until later [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► music doesn't exist yet yeah although [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► the prequels reference it right right [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► but they do come after Empire like in [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► our timeline you know time you want me [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► oh I don't think that's how that works [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► but only does it totally does where the [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► doctor in the scenario i was happy to [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► have the the the Empire march in there [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► reference and then very lightly and then [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► moved away from I thought that was about [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► the right level that i was expecting at [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► who didn't toward the end when we be yes [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► it is Darth Vader is recognizable at [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► that point we know what we're going to [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► get there [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► I don't know I'm let me let me um oh the [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► other thing i want to mention here in [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► terms of just talking about this is a [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► new anthology movie is this is a you [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► know Star Wars take at the Marvel [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► approach to moviemaking of having you [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► know a franchise that just keeps on [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► turning out movies [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► with Marvel it's it's more than one year [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► they're doing a couple year most years [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► sometimes they do three but i think that [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► on average that you two movies a year I [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► i think the challenge that these that [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► this movie had this is not actually the [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► challenge for many of these forthcoming [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► announced anthology movies but for this [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► one is that when one new Marvel movie [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► comes out even if it's not a sequel to a [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► previous Marvel movie [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► it has a recognizable set of characters [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► in it it's based on intellectual [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► property that's been floating around for [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► a long time [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► that's had at least some residents with [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► people in in in comics if not previous [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► versions elsewhere and this you know [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► this movie doesn't have that it has to [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► establish all of these characters from [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► scratch essentially and that's a harder [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► job I think them then the job that [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► Marvel movie would have to do i do also [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► think though that may be one reason why [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► some classic there was a little more of [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► an emphasis on some classic Star Wars [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► stuff getting shuffled in here just to [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► make people feel like they got their [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► money's worth from a star wars universe [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► universe perspective because you know [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► it's just it's it's easier to say hey [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► it's a movie about dr. strange that is [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► to say well this is a movie about gender [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► or so and unite and and let you know [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► listing all these these characters [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► because they're their new that's it's a [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► tough job it's not a job that the [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► console young solo movie is going to [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► have to pull off getting back to what [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► you said before about the them being a [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► tentative about deciding whether they're [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► going to go off on their own or are or [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► go whole hog into a new thing I 041 I [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► want to give them some credit what I was [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► getting at before with the I don't think [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► we need to spoil her on this right [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► no it's good Lord whole thing is [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► spoilered yes yeah what I was getting at [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► before with the saying if I'd seen a [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► line this movie i would have given it a [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► thumbs up is that they did have the [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► courage of their convictions to make [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► this a story about a desperate mission [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► that is essential for the future victory [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► in which every participant dies yeah for [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► the most part right and so that that's [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► the outline and they had the courage to [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► do that which is not as many people [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► pointing out because Disney owns and is [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► not a disney style thing to do [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► I don't care whatever it's not even a [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► star wars thing to leave set disney [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► aside it's not a star wars thing [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► you so they had the courage of his [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► convictions and let you see the movie [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► being tentative and it's a shame because [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► in every place where they confidently [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► went for what they wanted to do i think [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► the execution was better when they [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► pulled back like it's like you know [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► whatever you're thinking of doing before [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► do that because when you do that you [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► you're at your best and when you try to [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► like you know that you know we'll talk [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► about this later maybe now the the [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► trailers with all the different lines [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► and people are reacting to the the the [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► mystery of what was going to happen with [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► jenn and her being a tough character who [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► was maybe not as likable and a nice [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► helpful as the the character that we see [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► in the movie are saying I rebell like we [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► reacted to that in the trailer because [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► that was all we had at the time and I [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► think that fits with the tone of the [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► movie but instead of having her to be a [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► more hopeful character and and you know [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► sort of reframing the movie as a [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► microsecond less dark visit is pretty [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► dark but like you know in the places [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► where they didn't seem to have the [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► courage of their convictions I think it [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► did them a disservice and I should have [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► trusted you should trust themselves and [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► their audience to go more towards but i [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► think the outline lends itself to which [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► is a darker more serious movie and I [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► like you're saying before Jason they had [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► injuries all these characters and that [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► is really hard and I think they didn't [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► execute very well on that like it's it's [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► very difficult how you look at the [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► post-dispatch's got 17 faces on it [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► we don't know any of those faces you [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► have to establish all them and make us [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► care about all of them i mean that's [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► that's incredibly hard to even the [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► original Star Wars like four characters [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► they're going to really make you care [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► about plus some ancillary fees it's it's [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► a tall order i don't think they pulled [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► it off so that yet but the degree of [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► difficulty of this movie i think is [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► higher than it probably should have been [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► for the rest and ecology and I think it [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► shows an execution but I am happy that [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► we're really counted in the story they [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► put on the screen [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► I you know I think it they did a good [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► job [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► yeah that was definitely one of my not [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► quite complaints coming out of the film [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► but one of the things that I noticed the [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► most lately is that this film doesn't [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► have the charisma that force awakens [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► as or that the original trilogies do in [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► terms of developing their core group [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► right you could arguably say that the [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► core members of this story there are [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► like 17 people but the the people that [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► were supposed to identify with his leads [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► are gin Cassian k2 and the two guardians [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► of the Wills if you want to add them as [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► ancillary and I think they did a decent [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► job at flushing them out to the point [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► where we want to care about them but [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► they missed the mark at turning them [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► into more than that where there's a lot [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► jen is such a hard character to flesh [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► because it's really it's really hard to [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► explain PTSD childhood trauma in an hour [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► and a half when you also have to you [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► know steel Death Star plans but a lot of [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► the dialogue I don't know for me it just [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► wasn't hitting the way that it needed to [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► where there were some lines that that [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► resonated but a lot of the early stuff [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► especially just felt like we were [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► checking off expository boxes or it's [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► like oh yeah so where's the where's that [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► spy that we need to meet and where are [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► we going now and rather than like [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► there's not the only person bantering in [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► the first third of the movie was [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► cheering way and k2 and which wall I [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► appreciate it [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► I like i wanted to see something between [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► Cassie and jen that sets up back 2 & 3 [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► yeah i got a huge kick out of turret [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► complaining that they were putting a bag [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► over the head of a blind yeah that got [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► out of it blew that one by making him [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► say I'm blind like you don't need the [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► last part we get it like that you want [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► you want people to do the 12 count and [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► figure out why he's saying are you [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► kidding me i can edit it but i thought i [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► left the way it was yeah I don't have [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► that bigger play I mean I'd like here's [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► the thing about about that the character [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► charm and the dialogue very uneven [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► because there were moments where this [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► was definitely the force awakens level [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► lot of k2's interaction oh we're just [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► like the other elevated way about like [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► wow this is amazing stuff and then my [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► gran said and then there would be people [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► explaining plot points mechanically to [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► each other and the thing [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► they killed me the most about the the [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► repeated explaining of who has to do [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► what so that we understand what's going [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► on which again it's a hard thing to do [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► when you have all these moving pieces [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► and characters you've got to figure out [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► and all these complicated plot like I'm [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► not saying it's easy right when movies [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► do this well and and the one keeping [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► have recently which I know some people [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► don't even like this movie but I think [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► they'll think you did a really good job [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► of having a lot of characters each of [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► which has given something with civil war [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► captain america civil war granted we [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► know all those characters are ready so [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► it's a little easier to create the [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► difficulty but they had so many [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► characters and so many people going [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► through their own little miniature [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► stories and everyone got two sentences [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► to establish something and to make us [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► care about them and to think their [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► charismatic and to relate to them [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► emotionally and they pulled it off [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► much much better than they did in this [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► movie when i get back anyway I'm the [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► thing that really kill me when they have [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► these people giving these lines of [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► dialogue is that I thought this movie [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► the live-action just like the settings [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► the way this movie was shot was amazing [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► i love how everyone looked wet and dirty [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► and tired and everything was dark but [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► not too dark like and it killed me these [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► beautiful actors these beautiful scenes [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► and he's don't like it was so beautiful [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► to look at and they're saying she has to [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► put slotting into tabby and then i have [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► to do the way I got hot like every like [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► it just if you just put on you and [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► watching you liked this movie is [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► beautiful like I was so happy with how [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► this movie was shot and so unhappy with [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► some of the not bad dialogue but just [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► like not sparkling I'll get it [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► yeah i think it was hard there's [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► definitely like the characters [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► definitely do not come across as [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► charming and I mean I think a lot about [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► Cassian who is kind of your hand solo [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► analog here except like basically the [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► first thing they do is establish that [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► like no this guy is not as I mean he's a [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► good guy nominally but he is not a [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► smuggler with a heart of gold he shoots [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► first yeah I want to talk about that [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► when he and he did he does not shoot a [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► bounty hunter he shoots like his contact [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► information guy who is about who's [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► basically inconveniencing him with his [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► existence when I was its thing hasn't [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► for the rebellion it's not an [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► inconvenience is heartless just so weak [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► after doing this so long it's like I [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► don't shoot this guy is going to get [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► captured because i can't save them so [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► it's just a quick decision got to get [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► rid of them [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► that's the second thing that first [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► he shoots the stormtroopers first you [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► think oh so this is the guy who shoots [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► first at oh no this is the guy who [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► shoots his allies because he has to [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► because their reliability I feel like [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► that was actually a direct response to [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► people saying how much they wanted hard [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► to shoot first yeah so they could show [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► him later on decide not to shoot first [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► after being lectured about it and then [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► we see Tarkin destroy a city of his own [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► people [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► Susan so they're saying no bad people [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► shoot first not bad people like this [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► hope the whole movie is there and the [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► rebels are in a desperate situation [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► series of hard choices and then actually [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► like a lot of the rebellion is these [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► people who have lived these horrible [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► like a press lives and are now like they [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► are soldiers they're mercenaries their [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► spies and maybe their senses are [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► terrorists basically means cause the [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► best example they are not Luke Skywalker [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► showing up in his white shirt being like [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► I'm fresh from the farm looks you know [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► like yeah he gets to be that but like [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► there's gotta be 50 other people behind [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► him who are like yeah I murdered five [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► people because they they wiped out my [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► family five years ago the important [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► character arc of the movie is and/or [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► learning that you can't do that [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► I i think the pivotal scene is when Jim [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► confront him and says you're just [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► shooting people because you were told to [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► you might as well be a stormtrooper [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► yeah that movie is taking position right [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► there that if you're the good guy you [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► don't do that right writing and she's [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► getting that he's getting that lesson [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► from her and she's supposed to be this [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► you know troublemaker who they've just [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► you know recruited because they have to [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► because she's related to the person they [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► need to to get information about and all [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► of that and yet she's the one who's [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► saying you you aren't doing you know you [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► are doing this right you're not being [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► the good guy here but it was model [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► though because there was there was that [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► message but there was also the overall [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► like the rebellion [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► I do it for the rebellion and then know [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► that the rebellion doesn't have a chance [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► in this movie the rebellion like it in a [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► new hope you know it's it's the underdog [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► versus the overdog in this thing [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► the rebels aren't even the underdog they [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► don't look like they're in the fight it [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► looks like they've lost before it's even [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► begun [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► they may think they've lost before it's [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► been turning on each other never stand [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► with factions ranks they're not even [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► unified front [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► what are they gonna do about the death [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► star they don't their intelligence is [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► terrible they really don't know what's [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► going on they're obsessed with killing [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► one but it doesn't even matter and they [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► don't know it doesn't matter because [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► their intelligence is bad and this movie [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► is about like where did the rebellion [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► come on there would have been no [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► rebellion if not for this one mission [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► with robot that this is this is there [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► with you know the Empire would have won [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► if not for these people and they [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► sacrificed themselves in their entirety [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► for their own individual personal [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► reasons to do this that's one story in a [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► separate story is if you're working for [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► the rebellion and become as bad as the [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► Empire you know you're just the same as [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► a storm trooper and I think didn't work [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► at cross-purposes but they didn't they [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► didn't pick one of them and really [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► hammer home which they couldn't because [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► you could've had this movie be like well [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► the rebels are gonna win anyway the real [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► lesson they learned was that you can't [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► you can't win at all costs because it [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► will cost you you know it will cost you [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► everything you're fighting fighting for [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► and the other angle would have been you [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► have sacrifices necessary and the only [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► way for two victories is on you know on [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► the backs of tons and tons of dead [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► people [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► yeah unfortunately endures the only one [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► that learned the lesson I like and he [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► does not pass it along to anyone [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► yeah he got caught up on the other [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► lesson which is everybody dies [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► yeah well let's talk about the the [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► characters a little bit more before we [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► go on to talk to the other things that [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► were already coming in there [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► I think I i mentioned k 2 s.o serenity [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► alan tudyk who has played both the pilot [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► and a robot in previous films gets to [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► play robot pilot in this one typecast [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► you know go with what you know he had [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► the necessary paperwork [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► honestly I think a to SF steals the [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► movie had many points and yeah of the [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► ten like audience wide laughs in this in [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► my screening nine of them were k2s oh so [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► the other was seriously I'm blind that [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► was the other joke but everything else [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► was a k2s o-line that made people laugh [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► out loud including me [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► alan tudyk stole my stomata and he [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► doesn't have any dialogue aside from [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► chicken squawks he's very talented very [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► good retail job he's a great chicken has [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► a great body to get pilot he's the whole [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► package money that's what they call a [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► triple threat so I like the design of [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► the robot i like that are the droid I [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► like the I like the eyes like the eyes [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► are really expressive yeah and they're [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► there are several the physicality of him [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► because he's big and fast he runs at one [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► point it's really fast he bombed that [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► one guy [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► the head and it's just hilarious he's so [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► much more athletic than the drugs were [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► used to seeing right only I mean you got [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► the stumpy one from the seventies that [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► couldn't be a delay tactic droid [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► yeah you've got to get your beer which [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► is human shape is you have a person in a [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► suit but we're not constrained by those [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► things so he is he is more like cat like [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► in an agile and big and muscular looking [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► and makes really think why did the [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► Empire get rid of those like by the time [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► you and hope comes around you don't see [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► those guys running around so much that [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► that's a good design it's because some [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► dummy destroyed the city that has all [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► their players ya think i need an [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► operation black Sabre we can't do that [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► anymore target black Sabre got destroyed [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► the wisdom of of storing all of your [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► files on one although i gotta-i gotta [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► head to the the Imperial bureaucrat who [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► said okay I'll tell you what I will [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► build you your storage archive with all [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► the hard drives on it i will do that [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► will be my job i will build that but I'm [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► going to tell you where we're going to [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► build it on a tropical island that's [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► where we're going to build and I got [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► right fine [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► you got a deal dude also all your things [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► are going to be do you like bottomless [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► chasms because i like bottomless chasm [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► like walk away from the railings I like [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► bottomless chasm released really really [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► d to which they say look at who you're [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► talking to [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► there's a design spec for the Empire and [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► they stick to it looks great you know as [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► a style guide yeah he tried to tractor [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► beam switch can you put that over a [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► really deep chasm I know exactly the [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► chasm full of hard drives full of all [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► the Imperial data oh I like it I like it [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► yeah he said I don't even understand [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► where would you keep our dresses not a [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► chasm like that just I don't understand [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► where we're also they we write exactly [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► it they had and they have the cool [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► robots to go get them like I I know how [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► we can solve this problem will have will [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► have a remote-control robot get them [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► that you pilot with these little steps [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► that sounds fun what are you suggesting [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► that they would be like network to each [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► other that's not a thing as they have a [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► sheet of safety glass between you and [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► the chasm I'm like yeah the tour to porn [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► jerks on the Death Star that have to [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► work in the channel that the the laser [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► goes through i always feel bad for the [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► is strict instructions to lean away that [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► radiation can't be good really but [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► they've been in there since the first [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► movie and I always feel bad Monty it was [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► a long time ago railings hadn't been [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► invented yet [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► so you mentioned [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► the Death Star engineering and galen or [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► so genes father played by mads mikkelsen [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► and I had that fought as we were [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► watching a movie that first off so it [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► and not to go too far down the path of [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► all the Star Wars references that we're [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► going to have to talk about at some [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► point but it turns out the reason that [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► there's the single horrible flaw in the [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► Death Star it's because uh I a guy who [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► would you quit because he didn't work [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► for the Empire was forcibly dragged back [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► after they shot his wife he built a [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► flawed the death star on purpose but i [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► thought at the end it's like go out so [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► it turns out [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► mads mikkelsen save the galaxy he's the [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► one who has been here all along [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► it's a team effort like he doesn't get [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► him doing it on his own he also had to [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► get the plans you also have to get the [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► guy to use the Force to shoot the thing [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► into it because it's not easy to hit and [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► how many rebel soldiers had to hand that [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► disk from one person to the other no [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► guitar too [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► it's really it takes a village was a [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► bloodbath of the speaker now yeah yeah [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► I'd like that that plot point though [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► with that with galen first of all that [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► the plot point of intentionally putting [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► a full audit I don't think it's cheesy [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► is all I think it makes perfect sense [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► yeah because the this movie is entirely [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► about people's relationship to the [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► Empire whether you're all into it or [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► your kind of into it or you're totally [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► against the different you know the [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► ranges and this is wasn't in the movie [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► like so many other things but i imagine [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► a relationship between chronic and Galen [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► I imagine your college buddies yeah but [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► they were friends before the Empire [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► panic totally cheated off of Galen on [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► exams [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► oh yeah those guys are gonna factors the [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► second on screen together you can tell [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► how they got a history right and I am I [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► like you know and they just diverge [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► because you know he decided he couldn't [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► be part of the Empire and they get like [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► that that is such a great i thought that [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► was a that a great way to explain it [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► rather than just having like an engineer [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► was just on its own on his own and being [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► like I i decided i don't like the Empire [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► i'm going to be a flaw in the thing to [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► have him have a personal relationship [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► and the split from the Empire mirrors [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► his personal split because they're [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► they're one in the same because of the [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► different paths they've taken life and [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► haven't pulled back in this violent way [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► and to save his daughter and I mean they [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► put a pin on it by saying just remember [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► everything i do we do for you like you [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► don't need to again [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► that was too much but but I his [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► motivation and this plot point even [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► though it connects directly to a new [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► hope in a way that some people might [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► complain but i think it is beautiful and [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► perfect and it's a it's an example we [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► talked about the Stars travesty dress [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► this is an example of an excellent [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► wrecked on with a really good again in [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► outline form with a really good [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► character and motivation that i think is [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► a reasonable adult look at at the world [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► rather than a fairytale story and i [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► liked the idea and you said it John [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► automatically about your relationship [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► with the Empire Galen are so is given a [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► choice right his but his choices are [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► basically we kill you you will be you [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► become a collaborator or you know the [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► middle is what he chooses which is to [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► act like a collaborator act like I'm i'm [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► totally up with the Empire and you know [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► work secretly to hinder it every at [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► every stage or build a and it keeps his [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► daughter life because they're not gonna [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► be hunting for his daughter to blackmail [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► him if he looks like he's like welcome [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► back onboard guys like we don't need to [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► go get your daughter and hold her [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► hostage because you're doing all the [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► things you're supposed to yeah good job [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► meds Mickelson except for his wife [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► seemed really like angry and I don't [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► know what she was doing obviously that's [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► where she gets it from right yeah she [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► went pulsing if you go with the idea [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► that Orson and galen are our buddies are [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► clearly have some history and Orson [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► seems pretty pretty darn committed to [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► making Galen work on this project [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► you'd think that might put some strain [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► on their family life and I think we even [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► kind of get a hint of that because [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► there's that scene where they're like [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► they're on Carson or something right in [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► the and he's he's there like drinking [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► with them right and it's like he is he [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► is present and intruding on their family [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► life in this little kind of flashback [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► I didn't think in that scene it's like [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► those stormtroopers like we know that [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► there is like they can stunt people but [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► they don't care they will murder someone [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► in front of the murder someone's life in [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► front of them to make a point even [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► though yeah we could stun you and bring [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► you along but no that doesn't that work [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► for extra evil black strippers we we [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► don't do that we're going to torch this [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► farm after we should you should you you [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► know with the Empire it's a chain of [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► pain that goes all the way up to the [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► Emperor [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► and so one of the things i like about [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► this movie is how we see you know krenek [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► come to bring Galen or so back but then [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► we see krenek who is the guy who has [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► been in charge of basically building the [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► death star or the death star weaponry or [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► whatever but I mean he's basically like [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► his career has been building this Death [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► Star and you know hehe gets jerked [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► around by the by the Empire and by [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► Tarkin and he goes to complain about it [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► to darth vader and I I think critically [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► sympathetic know who's not sympathetic [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► oh but I think that's kind of funny [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► Jason are you saying that the the real [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► city is toxic bureaucracy is that what [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► you're saying [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► well I'm going to go and hand-in-hand [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► Tony they work together [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► he's bad at office politics that's his [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► problem like a piece target and you're [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► both better at office politics [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► yeah probably in Targon isn't target [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► invaders boss Vader has more put it was [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► more politically savvy you have a levy [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► was going to the Emperor target target [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► target is really not Vader's boss right [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► targets a military guy invaders a free [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► agent who works for the Emperor leaders [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► not part of the command structure right [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► he is I don't like he is the [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► representative of the Emperor until he's [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► conveniently outside the death star when [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► it explodes [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► yeah can we talk about target really [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► quick yeah let's do it let's make it [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► happen [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► I did not care for that that looked like [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► peter cushing it sounded like peter [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► cushing did it but when every talking [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► I'm thinking that's not peter cushing it [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► was too much right like it first one yes [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► face in the reflection I was like okay [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► but then like he kept being there and [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► it's like me that they had the face of [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► the reflection in the glass and then [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► they cut around and he says a line and I [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► thought wow that day did a pretty good [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► job there and energy and then I did I [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► did for that very first like the one [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► line and then it kept going there's a [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► couple where he moves where can he was [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► meeting and I thought oh no no no the [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► way to do this was to give us a very [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► little so we're like oh I see what you [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► got there and by the time you start to [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► think about the uncanny valley and [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► pondering whether peter cushing the [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► state was contacted all of those things [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► how do how do you pay a Deadman we have [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► moved [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► we've moved along well by all accounts [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► the woman who is in charge of his estate [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► was brought in and they sign things and [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► she went to the premiere and all these [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► things but but anyway I I think you're [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► exactly right which is a little bit of [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► this would have been cool and i would [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► have been totally on board but I feel [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► like it was maybe like maybe some [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► humorous there were like no no this is [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► so perfect we can just have them on [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► screen and we're going to zoom in on [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► something about it there's I think well [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► this is my thought this was my main my [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► main execution complain about the movie [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► coming out of it immediately might be [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► the thought it was a dream i had as eggs [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► in the theaters they didn't pull it off [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► because that you know but the like like [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► the mission like they did pull off the [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► mission to get the plans outright but [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► everybody diagonal brace i think it's i [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► think i think the ideas I've been [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► lobbying for this forever on podcast [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► about it a lot of the ones we talk about [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► pixar and other things [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► photo-realistic humans in a live-action [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► movie made entirely in the computer or [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► think that's going to happen probably [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► while most of us are ya [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► certainly we just ran yeah the only way [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► the only way you're gonna get there is [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► by trying and if no one ever tries [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► you're not going to get at it so in some [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► respects i applaud ilm for having the [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► guts to try to do this I don't want [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► hubris I call it I call it you know an [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► apple parlance courage like bravery [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► courage like I i give them full marks [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► shouldn't somebody at some point have [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► said this is too much [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► we're breaking the illusion here and I [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► mean because they taste you tried it and [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► then that I mean I think he probably [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► should have had one less scene and he [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► should have had one scene where he was a [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► hologram need help folding in here is me [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► when I feel like if you always do it [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► that way like that's not trying if you [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► always do it that way if you always hide [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► your if you do like what special effects [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► artists always do which is hide your [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► weaknesses put the thing in the dark how [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► many assistance you need to see cut in [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► half on the state's John so they made a [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► bold just like if it's perfect analogy [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► for this movie right they they had they [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► had a bold mission probably you know [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► ill-advised but definitely courageous [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► and and unlike the people like like the [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► people in this movie [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► they all died okay with it but the [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► people movie got the plans out and these [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► guys didn't so I kind of give them marks [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► for bravery but the absolutely [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► positively did not pull it off as far as [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► I'm concerned when I'm holding what I'm [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► head [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► about is when regular people see this [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► movie will they notice and if they [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► notice do they care [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► my question is anybody who doesn't know [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► who Peter Cushing is and doesn't realize [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► that supposed to be CG doesn't realize [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► that you know that he died i wonder if [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► they notice because I mean I notice as [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► somebody who's a cgi nerd and likes [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► looking for special effects and we [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► notice because we know Peter Cushing is [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► dead and it's super weird do it on [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► someone who's not super famous yeah of [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► course but I think about it from a [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► perspective of like we're seeing more [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► and more augmented humans in Marvel [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► movies especially even hack the preview [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► that of the previews of the road wanna [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► screening that I attended had the the [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► new pirates of the caribbean trailer and [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► the the new villain with that is like [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► his face is half floating off and [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► clearly there's a lot of cg there so [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► we're we're seeing more and more partial [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► or full CG characters and I wonder how [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► much of this is we know this character [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► and it's blatantly obvious to us and [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► blatantly weird and how much of it is [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► hand-waving most people will notice it [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► I don't know what everybody just said in [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► the last five minutes but I just went [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► and talked to my son [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► nice and he had no awareness at all that [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► was a CGI character i find it so hard to [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► believe that people won't know there's [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► something off maybe they won't know it [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► CG but like that that's what i'm saying [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► when they didn't pull it off like it [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► doesn't it not that doesn't look like [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► Peter Cushing it doesn't look like a [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► human being and that's it that's a [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► problem like that's the big problem I [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► think other people didn't notice i think [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► it is it's it's jarring test because we [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► know he's dead and that its and then [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► it's like we know this is a magic trick [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► and now we're looking for where the [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► seams are but it's not because he's dead [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► like if you did it with a live person [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► like you don't here's what here's the [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► distinction i think the the young Robert [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► Downey jr. in whatever that was in when [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► he was young [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► civil war maybe yeah probably support [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► wire that i would say regular people [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► won't notice and even looked off to us [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► it passed muster even though it looked [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► awkward and nerds know about it and it [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► wasn't quite right [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► I think pass muster with regular people [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► I feel like this [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► even people don't know what's off and [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► you have no idea who Peter Cushing is or [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► who have this character supposed to be [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► it didn't pass muster [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► Jason is wrong got it it's not just the [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► visuals which is what makes this [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► different from the robert downey jr or [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► the Pirates of the Caribbean example [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► that's not a peter cushing voice [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► performance it's somebody imitating [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► Peter Cushing and they're not as good an [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► actor is peter cushing and that bothers [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► me is someone like you might not notice [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► it's wrong but you're being deprived of [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► a genuine peter cushing permits which [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► would be better and second even if they [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► had done it perfectly [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► I think doing it that much in the movie [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► undercuts the princess later reveal at [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► the end of the movie because we've [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► already gotten used to the idea of CGI [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► young up next people's 1977 performances [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► yeah although the princess leia won't [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► like it if you wanted to do with just [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► one scene she was on briefly enough but [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► man did did it not it did not come off [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► and like here's the worst thing about [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► this they didn't choose to do this for [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► all like mon mothma showed the [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► alternative and the alternative is [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► fabulous like if they got an actor who [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► looked kinda like peter cushing but not [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► really i would have accepted because I [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► understand it's a movie and understand [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► the Mon Mothma actor is you know 40 [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► years older and you know or maybe she's [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► not a lot aren't even know like I accept [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► that it's not going to be this didn't [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► same way you except in a movie when they [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► have like a kid actor and then adult [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► actor and the kid doesn't look like they [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► will grow into the adult actor you [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► accept it was like well it's a movie [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► that we can't reverse age are you know [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► our star to be young and we don't can't [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► do a boyhood thinks you're not that kind [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► of schedule right you just accept it [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► so if they had just merely taken [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► somebody and he's got such an iconic [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► look like talking is so iconic all you [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► need is the hairline and the outfit and [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► and you know and put them on screen for [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► less time it would have worked fun they [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► chose not to do that not not because I [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► think of hubris but because they wanted [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► to be daring this it's a it's a mild [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► mining on so i give them full marks for [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► that but it is absolutely the the least [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► successful movie magic in this movement [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► i think there might be more target in [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► this movie that there was in the [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► original star wars right now and by the [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► way what was wrong with that i think is [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► well two things 1i know you can do [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► stills now that will full regular p [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► people easily they take a long time to [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► render but you can do them but animating [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► personal space talking I first why don't [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► have the skills past would pass muster [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► is busy still looks a little bit [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► plasticky me I don't know if they use [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► like that the most advanced subsurface [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► scattering for the skin or whatever but [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► I don't feel the skills pulled off of it [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► but the way his mouth moved if anyone [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► knows in like you just look at it it's [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► like that's not a human beings mouth [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► it's close to one but I look at it looks [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► like computer graphics and so the areas [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► where it falls down or not so much [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► it didn't look right or whatever but it [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► doesn't move right and that is so much [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► harder to do than just looking right [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► which is why you can get away you could [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► have got away with the layer reveal [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► where she says her lines when her face [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► is obscured and then just rotate around [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► it shows not to say anything you can [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► pull that off pretty convincingly they [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► didn't but you could i'm pretty sure the [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► layout stuff is actually composited [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► found footage and not full cgi I think [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► I'd could identify which scene they used [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► it from but she wasn't saying hope at [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► the time so they had to tweak her little [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► it's complicated right because it's its [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► face replacement and you know or it's a [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► 3d model I mean there's a bunch of [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► different ways to do this right i mean [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► i-i think I think the target in there [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► was an actor acting as Tarkin and then [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► they did it was you know face [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► replacement with a model i was super [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► happy to see layout that was 100% worth [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► it for me I loved that ending [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► I don't know that target was worth it [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► because he wasn't really yeah but you [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► had to do for the office politics you [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► know you needed someone for for a [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► chronic to be that you needed the [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► unsatisfying boss relationship for [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► credit would be to have had problems at [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► work with his father he doesn't feel [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► like he is is he is appreciated and his [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► boss taking credit for his [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► accomplishments and he's under pressure [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► to do things which is a surprisingly [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► common dynamic and we see these days [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► after starting movies [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► what do you say you needed that there [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► but then like who would critics boss [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► actually be it has to be targeting he's [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► the one who's in charge right that's [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► right that's true [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► alright i guess it does have to be [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► targeted at Grand Moff Teddy letter off [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► Bob but the guy gets choked in the in [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► the in the meeting with the coffee [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► ok so let's talk about other references [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► to start wars now there are lots that [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► you havin for lookout on his tiny perch [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► I love that guy [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► love actually just got a point that [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► thing at the ship's except for the ships [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► that aren't supposed to be leaving I'm [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► not playing anything about he's not even [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► supposed to leave you got the blue milk [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► i laughed with the blue milk i thought [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► that was funny it's just there it's just [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► they're just they're drinking they got [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► some little they just leave it out my [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► guess is shelf-stable blue it's the Blue [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► John the blue keeps it stable i like how [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► even on even on this lush green planet [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► they still build their houses like [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► underground like their entire domain [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► you've got Jimmy Smits who is has stuck [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► around from the prequels and see ya [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► German to commit to this franchise good [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► to see him yet another like and they [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► pulled another good thing like a thing [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► that I actually you know it they [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► extracted the tiny bits of value that [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► they're cooking the prequels referencing [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► music which was good and Jimmy spits [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► he's a good landlubbers yeah I was just [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► worried I was like you should not be on [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► the space that's not going to like you [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► should be out like getting reelected if [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► they like if there's like a scandal [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► where you're caught on this base and [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► like a paparazzi photo you're in trouble [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► so does he get elected his daughter [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► Princess Emily's sir I don't understand [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► that were confusing [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► yeah well you know how Padma is a queen [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► who got elected i'm suggesting that [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► Baylor got as a senator in her life [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► position interesting it's something [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► royal family something something [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► yeah isn't it a little weird that they [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► named that later as a princess when her [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► mom was the queen and is that it was [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► that just a coincidence but that's [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► probably for another podcast because I [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► didn't want to give her a downgrade when [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► the adoption is like well you were born [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► to this level we need to get lateral [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► yeah there's a lot of people and a lot [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► of cultures in the star wars universe is [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► some phrases translate better than [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► others from you-know-who Corellian to [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► alter ad until two whatnot you know but [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► I did like jimmy smits that was always [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► one of those interesting characters of [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► like that you know Bail Organa the idea [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► that it's like who raised Leia and he's [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► on Alderaan when it blows up and all of [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► that i'm also mon mothma doubt that one [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► played mon mothma in episode 3 although [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► i think we've mostly cut out so there [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► but there but it's 2 episode 3 actors [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► they're having scenes together which is [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► kind of fun [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► it's the most fun thing to come out of [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► episode three anyway I didn't really [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► need c-3po Minos seeing what I've seen [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► him a lot for r2d2 I thought that was [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► unnecessary other than to say and [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► they're here [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► to everybody's here and put them in the [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► background or something you know like [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► that only lines they don't need to be [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► like in the corner of the screen with [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► his hand on top of his head like they're [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► on the Star Wars story for ya much what [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► else Darth Vader lots of Darth Vader [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► what people think about me use of Darth [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► Vader here you forget how different is a [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► new hope i get up is an empire byzantine [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► empire is the iconic one and it didn't [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► change much for Jedi but the new hope [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► one I like the red eyes and the weird [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► next thing and that like that Morgan was [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► like you know chest plate looks a little [TS]