The Incomparable

00:00:00 ◼   ► the incomparable number 330 to December [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► hello everyone and welcome back to the [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► uncomfortable and as it's the week [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► before Christmas [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► that can only mean one thing yes it is [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► time for another eight thousand hours of [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► discussion about the latest Star Wars [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► movie [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► i'm your host Anthony Johnson and we are [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► of course going to be discussing this [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► year's so-called anthology movie road [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► one a Star Wars story which from now on [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► I'm just gonna call road one because [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► life is too short but not too short to [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► assemble a ragtag band of rebels the [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► same rebels in fact to discuss the force [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► awakens with me last year so once again [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► please welcome from Scotland we have [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► James Thompson hi there i realize we are [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► lucky band of rebels with regional [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► accents so hopefully we're gonna make it [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► out the other side of this podcast [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► oh yes yes English people always survive [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► in Star Wars I'm doomed also from [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► Scotland Liz miles [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► yeah I'm much closer to the border does [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► that mean I'm more likely or less likely [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► to die here but the more likely and [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► finally our honorary scottsdale Morin [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► I'm not gonna do an accent but I feel [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► like I have a good chance of actually [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► surviving this podcast yeah you probably [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► do [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► and before you will ask my paternal [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► family are all scots-irish so away with [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► you we should mention also right up [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► front that this entire episode is one [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► big massive honking spoiler [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► oh my goodness wow is that leaving now [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► so do not listen if you haven't already [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► seen the movie or you don't want to know [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► what happens because the chances are [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► spoiling it is well its high it's very [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► high near a hundred percent pretty just [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► be all die but I'm but first thing I did [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► want to ask all of you guys has anyone [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► have any of you had time to listen to [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► the first road wanting comfortable [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► episode yet I have indeed [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► oh well done i haven't had time yeah I [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► wanted to listen so I wasn't gonna come [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► up with anything that had been debunked [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► in there episode you see I'm probably [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► gonna do that I decided for going rogue [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► working on room Hey Ya not be holding [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► myself to anything that was said or not [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► said yeah I didn't look like don't want [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► to I don't want to hear i went on the [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► internet to look at other people's [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► opinions and I like last about five [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► minutes that's definitely outraged by [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► the whatever [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► yeah just some context for listeners we [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► are recording this on Tuesday 20th so [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► it's only five days after the movie [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► opened here in the UK and you know I [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► think less than 48 hours after the first [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► episode of the incomparable talking [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► about this movie came out so yes we may [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► well contradict things that were said in [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► that one we may repeat things that was [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► said in that one without realizing it [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► tough live with it or we can just make [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► things up which i think is college thing [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► to do [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► absolutely absolutely and so okay let's [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► go round before we get into sort of [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► because we're gonna get into details [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► obviously as we go through it but how [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► about first just some general sort of [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► thoughts and overview of what you know [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► what do we think of this as a Star Wars [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► movie did you like it do you think it [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► you know fits into the the sequence of [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► movies the modern style of the movies [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► just overall what do we think liz yes it [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► was a very very good star wars movie it [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► was very Star Wars it had weight and [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► there was great on the little ships and [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► everyone looked a bit sad sometimes and [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► it felt like proper star wars movie I [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► didn't leave the cinema with that [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► horrible feeling of sick nausea that [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► accompanied slightly earlier star wars [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► movie nausea confusion distress it was [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► very difficult [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► I this had none of that this was like [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► this is proper this is very proper Star [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► Wars fair enough [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► James what about you well going into [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► this so we knew that they could make a [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► good star wars movie and before I went [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► to see The Force awakens i watch the [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► holiday special to set my morning at the [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► lowest card sort of appetite of just wow [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► that was the right thing today it was [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► enormous disputed heavily student i went [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► into having seen the absolute worst [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► so I know it can only go up but as we [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► saw it was a really good film but now I [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► had the opposite problem of my [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► expectations were high her before this I [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► actually I played the Star Wars [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► Battlefront playstation vr mission we [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► get to fly an x-wing around and escort k [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► 2 s.o bringing Jim to the rebels and it [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► was really really good so I went into [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► this with my expectations a bit too high [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► but they've actually match them all and [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► i really like 20 excellent and what [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► about you done you know it's it was [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► interesting experience for me in part [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► because i watched this movie in india [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► which was a bit of a change from my [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► previous viewing but I'm I you know it's [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► hard to know what to expect and how to [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► expect and how to calibrate yourself I [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► mean I didn't go to James route [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► I'm not not self-destructing could not [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► insane [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► yeah exactly so don't pretend but you [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► know hey and so we've never seen a Star [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► Wars movie that is self-contained and [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► that doesn't fit into the sort of [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► overall like saga you know mean sequence [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► of the the stories that are being told [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► and so it was an interesting experience [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► but i wasn't really quite sure how to [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► calibrate and so i think i spent a lot [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► of time watching with a very critical [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► eye and and in some ways maybe that [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► lesson my enjoyment because i felt like [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► i had my thinking cap on [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► I still I still liked it a lot I had a [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► good time I had some new pics which i'm [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► sure we'll get to at some point but [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► overall my impression was positive I do [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► feel like I need to watch it a couple [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► more times to really sort of let it sink [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► in but now that it's like over the for [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► the first time and that I don't have to [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► like have my expectations anymore I [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► can't think I watching for the first [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► time [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► I know what happens now i feel i can go [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► back and not have to have all those [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► expectations hanging on me so I'm really [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► looking forward to to repeated viewings [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► and see how it holds up and seeing if [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► that reinforces some of my criticisms or [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► whether they diminish over time I feel [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► like with the force awakens some of mine [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► diminished over time it became more [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► familiar but you know it's always [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► interesting see and I think these [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► anthology movies are going to be a very [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► interesting exercise for those of us who [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► follow this franchise for so many years [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► because of their their varied and [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► self-contained nature so it was that I [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► think as a first effort as that goes [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► it was pretty great and yeah I'm pretty [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► happy [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► yeah I think uh I think you'll probably [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► it sounds like you and I were initially [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► on the same page at any rate but i have [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► seen again since and that did definitely [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► sort of you know make me feel more [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► positive about the movie seeing it [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► another time so i suspect that may well [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► be the case for you because like you I [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► did enjoy I really did but i did spend a [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► lot of the movie kind of thinking about [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► overthinking things i think in turning [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► things over your head and also noticing [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► just how many things in the trailers [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► were not in this young oh yeah that [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► really bugged me the whole time I was [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► like roads afterwards and being like hey [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► this line wasn't in it that shot wasn't [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► in it right [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► yeah it was just not mine [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► I'd James were you about to mention that [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► video that I yes I was so somebody has [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► taken all the unused shots from the [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► various trailers and edited them [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► together into the trailer and there are [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► 47 of them and what watching it's like [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► watching the trailer for a sort of [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► parallel universe version of this film [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► because it's so different and literally [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► none of the the shots in this is edited [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► thing are actually used but and not just [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► shots but like the shots that there that [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► there are that didn't they were in the [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► trailers that didn't make it to the [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► movie imply entire scenes my entire [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► sequences of action the just hit the [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► cutting room floor and some of them that [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► were so like front center in the [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► marketing to write like this [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► Willie's with the one of the most iconic [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► images from i think the first trailer is [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► the that last shot of her in the TIE [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► fighter in the United armor get up in [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► the circular cord or whatever [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► nope that's not in there I think that's [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► one thing might help the second time [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► i've only seen the one time I think the [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► fact that i'm not prepared for [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► roll those trailers shots not being in [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► there is not going threw me out because [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► I know that the climax i was a little [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► bit hang on a second wasn't there a TIE [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► fighter their last time I saw that yeah [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► and there was the overwhelming [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► disappointment of not having Ben [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► Mendelsohn deliver the word power and [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► that way that was pretty devastating I [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► yeah exactly that's it that was exactly [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► my experience was watching it a second [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► time without those expectations because [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► you know I knew what shots weren't going [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► to be in it now really did ya make me [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► feel better about it and by the way that [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► TIE fighter shot we should mention [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► because this only came out recently but [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► allegedly that shot of her on the [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► walkway where the TIE fighter rises up [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► to meter that was at the end of the [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► second trailer that was created [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► specifically for the trailer apparently [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► was never actually intended to be in the [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► movie which I am really angry about [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► actually I think that's really really [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► really bad thing to do here [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► yeah underhand it feels kind of [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► misleading you know it deliberately [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► misleading i mean it can understand with [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► the first trailer where they didn't [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► really know and a hundred percent where [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► they were going [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► but then in the later trailers you would [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► have thought it would have convert one [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► especially when as Dan said the the end [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► of the first trailer was her wearing the [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► tie fighter suit now obviously this is [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► star wars people dress up in [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► stormtrooper armor all the time so you [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► know there was kind of there was always [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► a sense of well she's probably just in [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► disguise but there was also a suggestion [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► of hang on she's a criminal and she's an [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► outlaw and she's a rebel kashira bells [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► is she actually a traitor nor there was [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► also that there was the line in one of [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► the trailers about you know what will [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► you become what its effect size whole [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► speech from their trailer which is none [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► of which i believe is all rights is [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► their move [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► yeah yeah but so when you have that and [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► then you end the next trailer with a [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► shot of her that appears to be her [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► leaving somewhere to be greeted by [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► somebody in a TIE fighter you know there [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► is that they can't have not realized [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► that there was an implication there that [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► possibly this is a story about yeah you [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► know about her betraying the rebellion [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► or something [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► now obviously it might not you could use [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► those exact same shots and actually [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► that's not the case at all but they must [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► have realized that that was one [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► implication people would take away from [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► those trailers and so to create that [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► shot only for the trailer [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► yes it's exceeded marketing-wise because [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► it was one of the things that got me [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► really excited for this movie but [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► ultimately it kind of worked against [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► them because it was one of the things [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► that really sort of when I came out of [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► it was watching it the first time I was [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► really kind of like I was not the movie [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► was expecting and I'm really conflicted [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► as to how i figure about it [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► yeah you're not to not to derail too [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► much with the i I've definitely had this [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► experience more in the recent years [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► watching trailers and then going into [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► movies and finding that I'm looking for [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► scenes that were that I realize [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► especially movies where i watch the [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► trailer like a dozen times like Gayle [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► force awakens or something like that and [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► I find myself looking or anticipating or [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► expecting those lines and I feel like [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► that sometimes does dampen my enjoyment [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► of movies because I'm like that got that [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► like critical part of the brain or more [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► like okay this makes sense this is where [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► the scene was brought in and so you know [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► it when you get through your waiting and [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► you're waiting and that payoff is never [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► delivered and you find yourself thinking [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► okay I'm distracted and i just missed a [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► bunch of stuff because i was waiting for [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► something I thought was coming and [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► didn't turn out to be going one of the [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► things we were advised against watching [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► the trailers by a certain I'll and [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► nothing employee who is hopefully not [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► listening to us talk right now and I I [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► now wonder if his advice not to watch [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► the trailers was not because although so [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► much in the trailers that spoil the film [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► it's that the trailers don't represent [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► was was in the film so [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► maybe that was it you know I want to [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► emphasize I really really enjoyed this [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► one even the first time around I really [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► enjoyed it it was as listed it felt like [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► proper star was just like we said about [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► the force awakens everything felt like [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► oh yes this is real star wars even [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► though i will know this movie was shot [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► entirely digitally where is force [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► awakens was shot on 35 million like the [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► original trilogy but you know this movie [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► does have several floors and where we [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► are inevitably going to talk about them [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► but i really did have a good time [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► watching it and I would rank it [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► well I would rank this so good but well [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► and especially when you hear this I [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► would write this as the fifth-best star [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► wars movie ever and on considering their [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► own there but considering they've been [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► eight and three of them are prequels [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► that may not sound like much but it's [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► because solidly in the middle [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► well the thing is the original tweet way [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► home Anthony important questions like oh [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► ok which where the rather than part yeah [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► three people here at the top of the [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► original trilogy wrote the top there on [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► touching that because you know a new [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► hope Empire and Jedi are just [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► automatically top three any of that [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► world order to get our internal whoa [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► well down had well they are they're fair [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► i decided but ok what I love rewatching [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► Empire as an adult because it's the most [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► complex movie but nothing can be that [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► joy and escapism of watching star wars [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► for the first time you know for the [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► hundredth time when I was a kid and and [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► so on down there infringing i really [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► like it i know a lot of people [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► Alan egg but I love Jedi it's a great [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► great movie in a great way to win that [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► really so take that original trilogy out [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► and then you're left with is the [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► prequels which are down in the [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► bottomless pit of hell and that only [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► leaves two other movies [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► yeah so I mean that is the only [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► important question right now is you [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► think this is better or worse than force [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► awakens I think force while I wouldn't [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► say this was worse than force awakens [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► because that makes it sound terrible but [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► i do think before I enjoyed force [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► awakens more and that's that's what [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► about the distinction I enjoyed it more [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► I'm not necessarily going to say it's a [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► better movie i think in terms of lack of [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► plot holes [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► uh-huh do things like this may actually [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► be a better movie but i enjoyed force [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► awakens more i did enjoy this one just [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► not as much i would say visually I think [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► this is superior to force awakens just [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► innovation some of the shots are put [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► together especially the like the blowing [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► up chunks of planets and stuff on scares [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► and things like that i thought there [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► were shots in this that were we're [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► really amazing and I mean I did see it [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► on imax 3d biggest cedars-sinai and [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► Scotland but but i still think those [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► stuff in this that was superior to the [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► force awakens which is not to say that I [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► i mean i think force awakens is of a is [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► a I I enjoyed it a lot more but it's a [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► different kind of film and we'll get [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► into that I'm sure but you know it's the [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► kind of the force awakens was fun and [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► was pushing all the sort of good feeling [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► buttons where is this not quite so much [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► i think it's also hit much higher highs [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► with the x-wing TIE fighter dogfights [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► and yes you can adjust to group which [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► were those were once I think I i love to [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► force we can I think that was one point [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► that movie where I felt just a little [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► bit disappointed that I didn't get the [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► thrill day even replacing them with the [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► original star wars with the fight at the [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► end it if that's I mean that's still the [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► best one really is just beautifully [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► choreographed dogfight but here i was [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► getting that same thrill this is really [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► exciting really cool really awesome that [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► didn't have the force awakens even [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► though they're yeah I do [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► Ted preference weeks just closed a much [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► much more people [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► yeah I think that's part of it right [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► like they're so there's so much there's [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► so much joy in that movie and a lot of [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► ways right exactly there was a sense of [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► elation exactly and it both because of [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► the expectation in the connection with [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► the original trilogy but also because [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► it's just the kind of story it's telling [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► right it's a heroic classic you know [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► hero's journey type thing where as this [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► is it's a war movie and it's going to be [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► a bit more dire a bit more somber in [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► some places not say it was devoid of [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► comedy or anything like that but like [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► you know i watched it not to jump ahead [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► to the ending but i was thinking you [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► know I'd showed the trailers to my [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► cousin's daughter's who are 12 and 10 [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► and the twelve-year-old was super [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► excited about it and having watched this [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► movie now I'm like man I don't know this [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► is pretty heavy for a 12 you'll be fine [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► on the disney online store in the UK [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► there's a gin so costume for kids [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► suitable for 440 thirteen-year-olds Wow [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► and there was a comment right underneath [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► it and it said our nine-year-old is [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► absolutely thrilled to be going to see [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► rogue one dressed as gin and I thought [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► oh good luck with that [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► will she be quite so thrilled when the [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► way out that that's going to be a very [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► difficult conversation on the way home I [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► don't know though because like I I mean [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► you know nine years old okay that's kind [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► of pushing it but you know young boys [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► get tragic heroes the do sort of died [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► heroically all the time in movies you [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► know maybe ok maybe not so much in [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► disney movies admittedly but you know [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► that he's a thing in fiction is the hero [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► accessorize and boys get that even young [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► boys get that in there fiction all the [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► time so I think it's kind of cool girls [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► get Charlotte's Web Charlotte dies at [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► the yes yes which isn't quite the same [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► thing [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► yeah so I think it's kind of cool that [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► we now have this female hero doing the [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► same thing the heroic sacrifice i was [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► not so much objected that is the fact [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► that like you know everybody does [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► everybody hear that girls to care about [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► during the entire course remember what [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► is actually a really loved about me was [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► was I when I realized that everyone got [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► everyone's going to die and then it [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► didn't it could be could have really [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► wallet in it could have really brought [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► it down and made you miserable and [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► really need it [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► annoyingly gritty and dark and awful but [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► he didn't it was done with it was [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► bizarre that the wiped out the whole [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► main cast it was done with such a light [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► touch and the beautiful epic movie that [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► the end that you suddenly you left [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► feeling like okay but everything's cool [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► gonna be all right any new you obviously [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► knew it is as well but it's as I thought [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► that was a really a really good thing [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► they did their that it is very dark [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► material but they didn't allow that to [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► overshadow humor or the the hope that [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► was sort of the core [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► going through the movie as well yeah [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► well any and again it is a prequel and [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► not in the sense of it was set 30 years [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► before the other movie but this movie [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► was set [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► literally you know what less than a week [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► before her you know a new hood probably [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► about five minutes before and then about [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► your enemies five minutes before yeah [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► and that is tricky i have written [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► prequels like that myself prequels that [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► take place almost immediately before [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► something else and they are really [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► tricky because there is that [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► inevitability of certain elements and [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► needing to make a story that sort of has [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► its own peril [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► even though you know readers viewers [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► whatever [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► no really how it's going to end they [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► know the ultimate outcome that is tricky [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► and I think they did largely pull it off [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► here as I say especially watching it a [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► second time I I felt a lot better about [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► it and thought yeah actually they really [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► did pull it all together quite well I [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► think they were a bit self-indulgent the [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► overindulgent on some of the fanservice [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► though no no no no more fanservice [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► leader little or no i meant something [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► that was the first time i saw it could [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► have seen it twice as well and the first [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► time I came out my feeling was I really [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► enjoyed that movie but the fanservice [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► got too much because it took me out of [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► the film too [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► don't get me wrong I like fancy not [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► enough because we had all the cameos of [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► like you know the ships and and all the [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► sort of the the feeling of styles i [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► didn't really need for them to be trying [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► to remind me every five minutes that [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► this was a star wars from yeah you know [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► I had this thought I'd just earlier [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► today as I was sort of mentally going [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► back over it [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► the things that really got like I found [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► a little jarring was the literal [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► splicing of footage from episode 4 into [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► this movie with the x-wing and white [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► wing pilots yeah and and that was the [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► moment where I thought like you know [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► okay [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► it bugged me at the time of bug me but [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► like at the time i noted it right i [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► stepped out because like i watch those [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► movies so many times I know every shot [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► from the manufacturers happy you know [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► every mustache but that wasn't a shot [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► from this [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► several of them seem to be lifted direct [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► they were unused shots they said that [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► they found a like original unused [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► footage and when they were in [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► pre-production and they so they they [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► want shots that were taken from for ok [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► but they're there they're very close [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► because obviously the camera's position [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► the same yeah and it everything looks a [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► lot and he's the same after india right [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► it's the same actors and so I guess my [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► feeling at the time was i I understand [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► why I reacted that way but I also [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► understand kind of what you did it right [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► because you have your establishing a [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► sort of continuity not to say you know [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► those characters well enough that you [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► care about them you know when you then [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► if you then watch tv watch Road one and [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► then you immediately watch watching new [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► hope say having never seen either of [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► them i can see you being all it's the [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► guy from Rhode one like you know this [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► the same fighter pilots right like so [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► there is a certain sort of continuity in [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► there so i get a mighty isis with all [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► the women pilots go yeah it's happy that [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► they all died except for the pilot stuff [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► didn't actually bother me all really [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► what what what got me with the [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► fanservice was the like ugly guy from [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► the cantina that we don't know that I [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► don't know the characters name but it [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► gets him in the mark on the bobbin dr. [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► Evans en yeah I'm come on you know that [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► was just that really was absurd the [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► c-3po and r2d2 stuck out i think yes [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► that was kinda it's gonna happen it was [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► going to happen but um yeah no I think [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► those two bothered me the most i liked [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► the subtle rebels cameos their [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► inventions yeah baby yeah and i will [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► note that it was interesting i got a lot [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► more because then when I went to see it [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► in India the movie wasn't in English [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► wasn't w anything but they also had [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► which is not uncommon in movies in India [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► it was also subtitled in english and so [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► I got basically read this movie there's [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► a lot of little also a little [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► distracting at times because I cannot [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► read the subtitles when they're on the [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► screen but you catch a lot of background [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► lines because everything is subtitled [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► and so I caught way more than I probably [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► would have had i just watched it the [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► first time through but it was also [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► distracted because i think i spent more [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► time reading the subtitles than paying [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► attention to what was happening on the [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► screen at times and I did get still [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► there was a cold for general syndulla [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► for hair snow levels but I was like yeah [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► the best character chopper appears at [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► one moment and makes little chocolate [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► Liza's someone said that i have to now [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► have to look for a good man that shot [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► per character chopper is the droid and [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► rebels he's a another device the little [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► like he's a murderous Lola homicider [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► okay physically see this is another this [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► is one of the slight issue I had with it [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► was I did feel like I was there was a [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► lot of stuff in this movie where it was [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► like they just not saying anything here [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► because they think I've watched clone [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► wars and rebels the seems to be a lot of [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► stuff that was hinted at the felt like [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► oh I should watch all read something [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► else in order to fully get out reference [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► or understand that did bother me a [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► little because I'm like you can't do [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► that really you know you gotta know that [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► the vast majority of people watching [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► this movie will only ever have seen the [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► movies and are not going to watch [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► especially an animated TV series huh are [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► you talking about revels that's probably [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► the greatest one cannot call stars think [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► Mary I'm sure it is i write comic books [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► but there is a you know there is a [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► certain proportion of people who are [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► never going to watch an animated series [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► that didn't happen for me but if that is [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► happening this should work like that [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► because it was one of things that dr. [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► all the time where they make a reference [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► that fans will spot it and then gauhar [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► very music if you're not a fan [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► you just don't notice it's just part of [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► background doesn't matter which I [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► suppose would be my litmus test for this [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► as well for me it was fine i didn't [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► really notice anything but I guess [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► especially as suppose with soul carrera [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► would be the big one that you can of he [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► doesn't feels like half a charachter [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► maybe he really felt incomplete in this [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeah I've never seen the the [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► 3d clone wars series but i have seen [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► rebels so I didn't know who he was [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► apparently he's not going to be going [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► back into rebels again so and voice by [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► Forest Whitaker so so I mean it's [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► interesting to me because I think it's [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► the its kind of the inverse as with the [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► other some of the other answers is kind [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► of the inverse in the sense that we got [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► you know when we watch the first movies [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► you know there are all these throwaway [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► lines of things that obviously didn't [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► exist right like like obi-wan talk about [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► the clone wars and then eventually we [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► got the story of the clone wars [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► this is the backwards way where we [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► already had something that happened the [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► ties into it and then it gets thrown off [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► as i mentioned in a light sort of you [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► know in a live-action movie and so those [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► properties have already been developed [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► which is kind of the opposite of like oh [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► now we have all this stuff that we can [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► pull out of the movies and make stuff [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► about and it was kind of similar to with [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► the the spices you know the using the [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► old footage and spices and stuff from [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► the original movies in CGI people who [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► will get you where it's stuff like [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► rather than having you know in them when [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► they've gone back with special editions [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► and George's inserted stuff that brings [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► continuity with the prequels and we all [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► feel the way we feel that this is kind [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► of the opposite of that to write the [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► inverse version where it's like we're [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► going to insert stuff from the original [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► movie into the old movie to make it scan [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► again it's a nice continuity thing that [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► was one thing that I found odd watching [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► it a second time [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► some people have complained about the [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► location you know subtitles he sort of [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► superimposed titles are you know where [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► they are in my view which obviously you [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► don't get a regular starters maybe I [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► don't have a problem without me I even [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► saw some people complain about it [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► because of the typeface which is just [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► the left one out notably which rise and [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► then write the one location that's from [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► the prequels yeah which is how do you [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► say mr. father fire [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► yeah they didn't I exclaimed it my [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► girlfriend gave me a look it's mr. fire [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► and she's like yet I didn't even realize [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► it's mr. for until i went online [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► afterwards was reading up on stuff about [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► it that was safe to go out and spoiler [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► territory before that just click and [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► take that makes it slightly worse even [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► though even though i did get a little [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► this is bad i felt a little thrill and I [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► saw Beal got Organa and I was like how [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► its remaining calls and yet they finally [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► gave Jimmy Smith a good star wars movie [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► yeah so happy about that because he was [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► so squandered in the wheels i love to [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► this if there's there's many tight small [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► things move the accident or but what am [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► I remember the bag containing things [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► that was marvelous was the looks between [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► him and Mama Jerry Lee takes I was just [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► I was making feeling and annoying people [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► and receipt well so let's like take in a [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► movie there bro [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► not continuity with the prequels without [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► like having to rush to really remember [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► too much about it was pretty welcome if [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► you had no idea is always bail organa [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► you know if you have if you'd never seen [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► the prequels that's a good an example of [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► doing it well where those CS would still [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► because of his list says the acting [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► you'd still get ok these people clearly [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► no one another well they're obviously [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► old friends they're like they're up to [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► something and he's clearly an important [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► guy because he walks in when they [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► mention the Senate you know all of that [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► is that's really well done so you [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► wouldn't necessarily need to have seen [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► this equals to understand why his [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► character was there and what he was [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► doing [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► yeah we never seen senator panel before [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► been a couple of lines she manages to [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► establish yourself as like presents you [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► know who she is and remember her [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► I mean they also helps the costume with [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► the gold clock thingy on it and yeah [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► very precious accent but that that that [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► was a nice example of of something that [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► she could easily been a character from [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► another part of the franchise and it [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► would fit in there but as far as I know [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► she isn't and that was there and it [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► worked [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► yeah it did ok so let's talk about [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► characters then and that's you know [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► that's as good as segways any to talk [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► about the fact that he sees the second [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► okay it's not a saga movie but it is now [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► the second star wars movie with a woman [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► in the lead role in the lives we turn to [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► you first last time to talk about race [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► so what did you think of genera so I [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► love probably don't understand why she's [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► dead wife is having a theory that that's [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► ridiculous it's deeply deeply are very [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► deeply deeply obsessing and no i think [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► the character was written marvelously i [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► love felicity jones performance and I [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► look like she's quite may be underplayed [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► a little bit and that she's really keeps [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► our emotions very tight and it's just [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► because it's something that I identify [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► with that because i have to pay it [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► difficult to express myself and and it's [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► just high so nice that you've got that [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► Ray is being held up this sort of the [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► lead star wars female hero this is our [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► hero [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► there's there's another woman now I mean [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► okay yes there's Leah but in the current [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► franchise you call it's not just the [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► woman there are women and and i think [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► watching it's one of the things i can [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► after after coming out the future was [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► that the rules of generous oh and Cassie [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► and or maybe 30 years ago those would be [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► swapped around [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► yes and we've got and casting might be [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► into him back maybe she wouldn't have [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► liked killed that guy and being quite so [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► dark [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► a bit still cat we've got cassia the [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► face t love interest sidekick there [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► who's totally everything the hero is but [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► not actually the primary hero so it was [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► a no it's nice seeing something that it [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► is more often the way around seeing that [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► way around the disappointing aspect of [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► it for me was that this movie certainly [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► felt like a great deal more than the [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► force awakens which i thought if i did [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► in the current climate of television and [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► film media a reasonable job [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► this did not do so good job with women [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► and the other rules there were numerous [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► bit parts in this movie and almost all [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► of them were meal it was particularly [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► egregious in terms of the Empire the [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► entire empire is man apparently i mean i [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► know there was a cool more going on but [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► it still it was it was just got very [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► very silly the parts and I mean most [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► work when and magical sins get actually [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► his engineers came out and still the [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► there all men as well yeah anybody a [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► with it was even lamppost they're all [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► men because or some clinics like [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► gentlemen is and i'm looking at going [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► off for goodness sake seriously there's [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► like five of the mind up there you can [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► even bother to get talking women on [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► stage what what he's doing not a very [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► cannon fodder [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► yeah and and and then there were the [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► background shots i was paying a lot of [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► attention during the road base where we [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► dead did one scene that was fired that [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► get hits the bare minimum as far as I'm [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► concerned was one of the conference's [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► that had more marthoma jen and the [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► senator a senator panel talking the 31 [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► in that scene who had speaking lines [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► which I think was more left school to [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► number of men who are speaking in that [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► scene they're also women you can see in [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► the background though it was nowhere [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► near gender equality the really bad one [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► again was when Cassian came to jen and [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► said we're with you and it was like [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► every person's down [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► behind him while you're mad and I was [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► like you cannot be serious you cannot be [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► serious [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► then I going into the movie galleries [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► knew that the rest of the main castrol [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► men which is annoying and you know at [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► least let you know how you managed to [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► get two women on board that ship can you [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► not get a little bit there [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► no no and then I got really i might [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► state the first two minutes of the [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► dogfight getting increasingly annoyed [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► because there weren't any women and then [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► finally there's a woodpile and then [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► another and i think there was a third [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► one as well and so it sounds like a fine [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► then I guess but it was it was is my [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► main complaint about the movie this is [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► the sort of my big thing that means I'm [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► really annoyed but ever more annoyed [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► because it's a really good movie and [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► because it would have been so easy not [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► to do this there is absolutely no reason [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► why half of those parts those tiny bit [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► parts could have gone to women no reason [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► whatsoever changed nothing in the movie [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► other than you've got more realistic [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► better representation or people on your [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► screen and it's just it's annoying [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► because it's such a simple thing and yet [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► it's so that so yeah that's what that [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► but I completely agree for what that's [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► worth [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► and yeah there were that there was at [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► least a woman piloting a you wing and [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► another one piloting a y-wing bomber i'm [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► not sure about any others but they were [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► definitely those two [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► however the third as well but I'm not a [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► hundred percent sure yeah i don't think [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► there were any women flying x-wings [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► which was a bit yeah that was that was [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► literally a complaint my girlfriend [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► making out because she was right with [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► you listen and I agree to they are the [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► background representation of women here [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► is is pretty awful for AI it bothered me [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► that the main characters like they did [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► great job with representation of people [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► of color like that was fantastic i'm so [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► pleased about that but the again like I [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► said it wouldn't have been that hard [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► guys like you know find find some more [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► women at least for the supporting roles [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► and it's it's just that extra bit [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► frustrating because I feel like it [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► wasn't it was amazing in the force [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► awakens but it did hit my sort of the [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► minimum bar and not actively annoying me [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► kind of things like really went that [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► courts what [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► well maybe in like 10 or 20 years when [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► they do a rerelease they can just go [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► back in and digitally inserted women [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► into various roles it was a bit weird [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► though that yet because as you say there [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► was so many there are so many crowd [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► scenes even in jersey city you know the [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► word that many women in the market crowd [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► scenes and it's like really really you [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► know how difficult would have been to [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► just put some women in the background [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► I'm is very odd however mean that aside [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► i agree that I thought felicity jones [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► his performance was great i mean she was [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► clearly one of the you know the standout [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► performers of the movie and thank [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► goodness because obviously she had to [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► carry the whole thing but she does it so [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► well she has you know I think they're [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► what three really big emotional scenes [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► for her and she pulls every single one [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► of them off with aplomb and with you [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► know everything's there but as you said [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► she doesn't overdo it she kind of [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► unbranded plays a little bit I and she's [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► got that edge there's something about [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► her attitude in this movie that she is [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► even even when she after her father dies [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► and she's like right okay I'm I'm a [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► hundred percent in the rebellion now she [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► still gives it a needle there's still a [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► little bit of like defiance in there and [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► I I loved that about her performance in [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► about her character i totally agree and [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► I think you know what's nice as again to [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► elicit about not just holding up ray as [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► the only example the fact that we're [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► getting women characters and they're not [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► all the same character right yeah had [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► ray and jen i got my mage and I've got [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► my rope next I want at least played gin [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► Leia you know we all have you know [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► they're dirty they're distinct [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► characters they're very clearly [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► different and they each have their own [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► sort of journey and and i think that's [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► that's great because nobody likes to [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► watch the same characters over and over [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► again in any case but the fact that we [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► now have sort of add a more diverse a [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► list of female protagonists 2.2 is just [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► fantastic and she gets such a [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► magnificent here are as well I think of [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► all the star wars ones nobody has a more [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► consistent and in many ways the most [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► epic inhuman York because she doesn't [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► have the magic powers drawn she's just [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► got her [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► and she has these you know did the awful [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► things that happened to her the [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► equivalent of what's happened [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► ok maybe a whole planet fluently no you [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► know what I mean it's okay it's not [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► gonna remember it goes and if it goes in [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► the beautiful arc thing and it [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► culminates and you get the the ending [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► and then it's done and it's like you get [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► the complete hero story and that doesn't [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► happen a lot for you mean there's [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► obviously there's there's less female [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► hair heroes then there are male ones or [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► on the big screen anyway but just to get [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► such a complete and quality are [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► presented in a movie of the hero and [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► it's just it's really wonderful i really [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► i really appreciate that [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► I mean felicity jones i really enjoyed [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► her world-famous of course as Emma [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► Grundy from BBC Radio Four's the archers [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► well done well done [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► he is but I there was that there was a [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► story there and Tatiana maslany from [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► often black had been up for the role but [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► she had to drop because of some shelling [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► reasons and I do wonder what it would've [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► been like with her in the role I mean I [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► think Felicity Jones did it really well [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► and if I think it's you know I think a [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► lot of the but I think all of the [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► characters pretty much where were very [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► good i don't think anyone was a sort of [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► too shallow the written but yeah I mean [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► we can go through them I guess [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► yeah well dad and when we will do I will [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► say I disagree a little bit with that [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► assessment the one thing i wanted to say [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► about ginger so the character was I [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► realized about halfway through my second [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► viewing the because there were a lot of [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► people looked obviously at the sort of [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► look at the characters and yes the sort [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► of gender split more have you and a lot [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► of people were saying oh well you know [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► Cassie and he's the sort of much how [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► people said poe dameron was clearly this [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► other hand solo substitute in that movie [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► people are saying the calcium was going [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► to be the Hansel substitution but he's [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► not well known is what is the house of [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► these moving as Lee said heat she [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► doesn't have the magic she is the [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► skeptical like defiant initially kind of [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► our don't care [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► ye rebellion i'm doing this one thing [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► and then i'm done i get my reward and [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► marriage she is the han solo and she you [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► know as a character carries it very well [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► but yeah I think that's another thing [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► that Felicity Jones carries really well [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► he's that that same feeling we got from [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► and soul of a rogue haha of being that [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► you know completely but in it for [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► herself but actually not really you know [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► and the road with a heart of gold [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► she played that so well but I mean [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► Cassie and basically murder somebody [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► within the first five minutes and you [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► know so I'm kind of sets of him as being [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► you know if it is basically just [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► adjusting the baseline if she's the hero [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► and she's Han Solo then the Han Solo's [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► need to be dollars not there's no you [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► did to me about who shot first here yeah [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► that's right like a good I guy didn't [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► even try and shoot it wasn't even on the [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► weekend we say a word with to my casting [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► I was gonna move on to cassia next year [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► so what are your thoughts on him you [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► know I first sort of like proper Latino [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► lead in the Star Wars movie i really [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► like Diego Luna I think he he does a [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► great job with what he's given here and [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► i joined his performance i enjoyed the [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► chemistry between him and felicity jones [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► i think they did really well in that my [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► biggest complaint about this character [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► is that I feel like his arc is kind of [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► muddy because he starts out as a you [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► know he's this is basically you know [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► intelligence officer / assassin is [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► timeless and he's just like a guy he's [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► there he's getting stuff done but he's [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► not really even though he's committed to [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► the rebellion he doesn't seem like an [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► idealist he seems like the dirty workz [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► guy that you write you called do the [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► dirty jobs and he signed up as committed [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► as far as that goes but he's not really [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► like he doesn't he's not an idealist he [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► doesn't have a lot of hope and I find [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► that I guess you know make sense for his [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► art to sort of go further and sort of [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► redeem his character in that way and it [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► may in certain ways but I didn't fully [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► buy in to his conversion I didn't fully [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► buy into the idea of like they're some [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► people talking about like you know sort [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► of an end justifies the means approach [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► with him and I didn't really feel like [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► there was a reason for him to come to [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► this epiphany like oh man maybe I [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► shouldn't be killing people like they [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► try to [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► pin that all the scene where he's [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► deciding whether or not to kill Galen [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► and I felt that it was a bit weak [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► it just needed to be tightened up for me [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► I think there was too much extraneous [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► and like I said I feel like it just got [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► kinda fuzzy like if you're gonna do that [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► is arcing needed to be a little more [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► beat beat beat rather than just sort of [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► like beat we're so I i liked a lot about [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► it but like I felt that it needed some [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► either some editing or slight tweaking [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► it i reluctantly agree with that it does [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► feel it just wasn't didn't have a Jake's [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► clean edge to it and geeks are you can [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► see what they're trying to go for but it [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► just didn't it didn't grab me to explain [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► later and that there was no good reason [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► given for him not pulling that trigger [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► yeah that's the thing that struck me was [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► like there is no you know you don't see [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► any kind of changing his attitude and [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► you can see what they're going for that [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► were presented with this really hard but [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► an intelligence officer grown down by [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► the awful things he had to do and here [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► comes Jenn who's some Pope is I'm a [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► little butt back towards the light and [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► he starts to have ideas but it didn't [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► really hit hard like that I thought it [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► was partially that he was watching what [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► was going on on that platform and he saw [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► the the you know the shooting all the [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► the scientists and galen basically [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► inserting himself between them him in [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► the scientists and all that and I think [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► he in my headcanon anyway he looked at [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► that scene and thought hmm maybe this [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► isn't a bad guy after all [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► why do I have these orders to shoot [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► maybe so cannon is the best thing Mike [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► my girlfriend a similar feeling of it [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► when we are discussing this afterwards [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► and I kind of see that but also the [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► setup of the scene is a bit contrived [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► and like I can't get a shot [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► oh i guess i have to wait and when he [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► does get his shot is like oh there's [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► other things i'm gonna watch what's [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► going on here you know like again i [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► think it was it felt like a scene you [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► you could feel the writer string is [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► pulling their yeah why do they have [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► their meetings outside that's generally [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► what I'm action from Ella's or force [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► field all roofs the conference room was [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► booked out so they're magic shows a [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► small party in the conference room [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► arsenic is a man [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► you appreciate a dramatic backdrop to [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► his meetings [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► yeah especially when he's gonna shoot [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► everyone yes coming in the pouring rain [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► yeah that was that's just weird [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► welcome to stay on a shallow know that [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► I'm really glad that there's a real hero [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► in Star Wars I find incredibly [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► attractive now because I'm not close [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► before my time and I just I didn't get [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► the put our and thing and if it was ok [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► but giggling I was like okay this is [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► nice this is great but yeah let's watch [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► his his back catalogue that'll be fun [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► well is that a euphemism or take it for [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► what it's worth I felt the same way [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► about felicity jones i never [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► particularly found Carrie Fisher or [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► what's-her-face right you know ray from [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► force awakens they're very pretty but [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► you know they don't want to push my [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► buttons but Felicity Jones oh yes i was [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► going to say about Cassie and what I do [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► like about his character is that I enjoy [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► his somewhat slovenly put my favourite [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► bit with him in the entire films where [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► he dresses up as the imperial officer [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► and still got like his hair is like [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► sticking out the bad least convincing [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► imperial officer ever i was waiting for [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► someone to challenge him and say that's [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► not regulation haircut and i love that [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► he doesn't care right like he's just [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► sort of like whatever I'm just wearing [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► this hat and so I I do appreciate his [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► character [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► I you know and I like the moments where [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► he is good he is very good yes and [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► honestly I i put none of the set his [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► feet as in diego luna speed as an actor [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► I think he is fantastic [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► I just feel like the the writing of some [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► of that characters r-ky wanted a little [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► more like Liz said like a little sharper [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► edge in like a little more definition on [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► saying like okay he's this guy who is [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► this kind of guy but now he's you know [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► changing his opinion now is this kind of [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► guy like I feel like that's fine you can [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► have a Redemption arc but it just needs [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► to be cleaner one but i don't think was [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► an amazing note was one near the very [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► end where he pools jen away from Orson [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► chronixx body so that she doesn't have [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► the chance to finish them off and the [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► fact that he's the one who's doing that [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► too hard time pulling her waist just [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► like commit murders or final act was [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► like that i find that pretty maybe that [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► was good [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► well and when they're having their [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► argument after you know in in the ship [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► and he you can she's doing the kind of [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► worries maybe [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► and I mean that seen that there are [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► elements to it that i found found a bit [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► you know word-of-the-day problematic in [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► the he's kind of gas lighting here at [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► first when he's she's like this is after [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► she realizes that he was about to [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► assassinate her father and she's like [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► you went to companies like oh you're in [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► shock [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► you don't know what you're talking about [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► that's that was a bit like really guys [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► but later in that scene when he's [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► basically saying to a look [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► you're not the only one who lost [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► everything you know you are not that [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► special [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► we've all been in this a long time doing [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► this and we've all lost people that we [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► loved and cared about that he did that [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► so well because it would have been so [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► easy to overdo that so really kinda go [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► huge and chew the scenery and yet just [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► sort of lose the thread of it but I [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► thought he handled that absolutely [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► brilliantly I was utterly convinced why [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► he was great also that was a great line [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► he just managed to get his whole back [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► through your cross in a single line of [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► dialogue and just left it that now that [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► wasn't an expository line I wasn't him [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► saying I've lost everything is well it [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► was him saying you're not the only one [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► who's lost everything [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► brilliant get he said that open doing [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► this since I was 6 which is fairly young [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► for a rebel which is also about the age [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► that Diego Luna started acting in Mexico [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► I believe ok talking about writing and [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► downs right i think i agree with down i [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► should say that the the problems with [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► Cassian you know shouldn't related get [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► your learner's feet and that's what kind [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► of where I wanted to pick up on what you [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► said James about none of the characters [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► with that shallow and I think you're [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► right but I don't think that he's in [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► some instances because the writers like [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► as is written days malbis for example is [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► an incredibly shallow character there's [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► nothing to him but yeah [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► jangan plays him so well that you know [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► when bring so much to the character very [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► kind of transcends the words in the [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► script and that's what you wanted a good [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► actor a good secondary character to [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► write like you don't need to he didn't [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► need to have a we need to have a whole [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► backstory right and we just need some [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► hints of it and i think the really [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► important thing is his release [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► chip with jaret wright and like you see [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► milly interact like shit [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► yeah i was at all that was nice till the [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► line right on my mouth Anthony know I [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► was really wondering usually hang on a [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► second I get this i just thought they [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► were like and monks or something but are [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► they actually a couple during the movie [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► i was i don't i did and yeah so yeah if [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► it was i've already seen the and the [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► images that people have drawn to the [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► desperate yeah yeah I mean it's one of [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► those things that's not explicitly [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► stated but maybe not tonight by anything [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► that contradicted by anything right in [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► the end yeah i did--like i thought that [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► the interactions between the two of them [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► i would easily go for a TV series [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► oh yeah if you want to do a prequel [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► movie for them that because when donnie [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► yen as well done yet the way Diane lick [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► Garrett was great he was so I love the [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► father was smiling all the time because [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► he's a holy man so he's like well [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► everything's gonna be fine because I'm [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► one with the force on the forces with me [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► so I thought that was an interesting way [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► to play but also who is just so [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► sarcastic funny i love the rate when [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► they're putting their bag origines what [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► are you kidding me I'm lying I'm yeah i [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► like the sort of element of Saturn as [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► you have been you know the sort of the [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► blind but still the best swordsman or [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► stickman absolutely and underestimated [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► by the stormtroopers of course [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► yeah yeah and that's yet the first scene [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► where we get his the taste of his [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► abilities is just it's just great [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► choreography it's just a joy to watch [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► you know didn't Donnie and of course is [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► a master martial artist and long-running [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► star and stunt guy and everything and [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► he's just he's fantastic he's so good [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► here I think he's he's my breakout [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► character from this movie audience cause [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► of comic timing was just amazing that [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► was really he could easily carry a [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► comedy movie if he wants to stop our [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► combined martial arts and comedy they [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► work together probably has done several [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► of the movie we just need to go back and [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► look at all his extensive film Arrietty [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► yeah and the ok so and those three [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► characters those three supporting [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► characters but main supporting [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► characters that we've just discussed [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► most interestingly again for Star Wars [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► not one of them had a native English [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► accent either American or British and [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► anyway although and ben mendelsohn is [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► Australian apparently but was doing a [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► dodgy English accent he's been neighbors [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► as every Australian I don't know why he [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► didn't just use natural action because [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► English accent is not all that great but [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► you know now the if the if the Empire [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► the Empire has to be your sort of over [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► how many British accent that will be [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► convincing English accent to me that's [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► what Englander like yeah it didn't it [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► didn't actually send back to me either [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► so maybe people just that are kinda knew [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► that was coming oh but my biggest [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► complaint about ben mendelsohn or they [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► get the crate character of chronic here [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► is that if anything i really enjoyed him [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► he's just hand me enough to eat like to [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► some scenery and be your hottie Imperial [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► bad guy i think the biggest problem i [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► have with him is that they put them and [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► and this is going to be you know the [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► answer we talked about they put them up [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► against Tarkin and it's like do we [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► really need to you know white guys with [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► British accents arguing over hold what [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► you got this latest accident you are [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► doing about things you could've just on [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► one of them [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► yeah yeah well and that's another one [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► thing that will get to after we've [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► discussed the carriages year so well and [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► then there was resentment character [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► Bodyrock the defecting Imperial pilot [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► who is barely in the trailers like I you [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► know I actually seen the trailers I [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► thought oh is one she hardly going to be [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► an easy going to be some background [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► character and he's like he's a you know [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► a pivotal character [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► yeah and he think of all the the [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► supporting characters he got the as [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► where they keep using this pocket the [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► cleanest character are going through [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► there that was a really satisfying way [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► through and then [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► oh the feeling of the lurching and the [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► chest of Michael's death [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► it's really cool you don't realize about [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► your gods are going to kill the ball [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► right he's the he's the coward right so [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► he gets his Redemption our community [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► home and bravery [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► yeah i think the moment that the gym [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► said to him always a casio one of them [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► said says to him keep the engines [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► running your the our only way out of [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► here for the moment they said that was [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► like yeah he's dead now I mean I went [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► into the film thinking that they would [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► probably kill everyone and I think it [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► was only at the point where kate USO [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► bought it and when you became a leaf on [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► the wind for our students acknowledge [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► that that was the point where I thought [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► all right maybe they killed the robot [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► they're gonna kill everyone that was me [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► that was the saddest death for me that [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► was the only 1i really cheered up there [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► it be to be good and I actually in the [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► cinema where I was as warriors like he's [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► a droid but he's lovable really mean way [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► he was like the best supporting [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► character rifle he did get all of the [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► funniest lines it must be sent ya an [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► ally to take is fantastic and gets the [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► note that is that is his sweet spot [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► right there and and his accent actually [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► was really good you know he's I find [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► he's actually more convincing two medals [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► which I didn't expect going in certain [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► over yeah we cater to was you know [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► another in a long line obviously sort of [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► great star wars droid characters but I [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► don't think we've really had a character [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► quite like him with that sort of [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► attitude [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► well I mean is if he's a bit HK 47 from [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► the knights of the old republic game but [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► slightly less murdering easkey 47 and [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► Marvin the Paranoid Android had a child [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► ya might be I think you said that we [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► were discussing the trailers as well [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► because hk417 one of your favorite [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► characters news [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► yes he's very very good and shiny but as [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► as Jim said much more murderous this [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► this one just doesn't have that [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► homicidal streak and the desire to chop [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► meat bags [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► he's gonna chopper a shark attack i [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► think i like that the thing that some [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► top his entire characters when he drops [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► the bag and that was the moment I said [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► yeah I don't care [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeahs some of his great large [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► key is very first line [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► congratulations you're being rescued [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► please do not resist i played that PR [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► thing the game because k 2 s.o as a [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► character and I'd heard sort of about 20 [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► minutes of alan tudyk doing lines like [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► notice [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► you do the video games as well well [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► either he does it or somebody who sounds [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► like him doesn't right but it was quite [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► quite similar kind of very droll you [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► know please rescue me like you promised [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► type of lines i like you don't worry two [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► years she shoots the other droid that [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► looks like did you know that wasn't me [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► when you shut it [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► yeah and she has course yeah because [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► he's got like little lines around his [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► arm bits that were a different color I [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► thought I recognized her when she's when [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► he says where'd you get the gun she's [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► not found it and Gators says I find that [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► answer vague and unconvincing I'm here [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► for you jen because cassia's that I have [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► to back so many good lines man i'm going [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► back to just go back to bode rock and [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► resentments character [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► I'll the one thing that like I found [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► really weird about you know it's part [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► and I'm mentioning it because it's part [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► of his character on was that sort of [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► mind flayer creation yeah that I mean he [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► was like that they implied that the [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► thing was going to completely destroy [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► your mind royalty and very active it for [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► a little while for about five seconds [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► until somebody effectively snapped their [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► fingers in front of him and he's fine [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► again and i was wondering if he was like [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► a different character before that point [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► and he would he was now sort of pacified [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► or something or it doesn't seem like it [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► given the scenes we see with him before [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► that like it doesn't seem distinct [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► enough but i think that creature that's [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► like the rathtar seen from this movie [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► like that's the that's the theme would [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► be like okay we really just need to get [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► like a crazy cgi alien in here to just [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► do something funky and work as sort of a [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► plot device but it doesn't it's not a [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► part of this because it doesn't do [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► anything [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► bleep up the purpose of it was to show [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► that soars a little bit more dangerous [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► than everybody else in Ely and mind [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► flying octopuses on and it in our [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► respective worked but then you know he [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► they really hangar lanten when he's [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► making his speech about how this [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► creature and I can't remember what it [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► was called such a ridiculous name but he [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► says this creature will be no be able to [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► tell if you're lying [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► nobody can deceive the creature [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► the only problem is [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► one tends to lose one's mind like [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► they're really hunger landed on it and [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► then there's no effect it has no [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► constantly because he didn't why he [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► didn't get his mind flight and leaf [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► Flay's if you're actively line that's [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► yeah looks a little sloppy and i kinda [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► agree that they seem to be going [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► somewhere you know with it maybe [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► distinguishing songs tactics from the [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► the rebellion as a whole but it if i can [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► say and well maybe we'll get the song in [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► a second but that's I think that's [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► another problematic arc yeah i mean that [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► is I thought that it'd mean I don't know [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► sore from rebels or clone wars or [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► wherever he's from [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► I thought that it did work in that [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► respect yet in sort of showing okay this [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► guy's an extremist and he's prepared to [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► use extreme methods that normally would [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► be beyond the pale I i think it worked [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► in that sense absolutely [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► I did it didn't I onto that entirely i [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► wanted a little more felt like again [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► they didn't necessarily clearly draw [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► that line especially because we're [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► introduced to so much of him before we [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► get the will be portrayal of him from [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► the rebellion as a whole right like [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► we've seen him several times until we [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► get the rebellion saying oh he's an [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► extremist like and it's and it's never [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► clear to me because of especially what [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► we've seen of the rebellion in the [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► original movies like they're still blow [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► itself up like it's not like is this [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► just running on exactly pacifists [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► exactly so it to me that was in a place [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► where they they didn't fully commit to [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► that that our core idea of like there [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► are some rebels who are taking things [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► further and believe you know the ends [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► justify the means or what have you [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► I feel like that could have been done [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► better in and saw as a character maybe [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► they lean a little too heavily on [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► Unknowing he wasn't and even having seen [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► the clone more episodes with him a while [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► back [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► he's not any he's in maybe three or four [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► episodes it's not like he's a major [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► character [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► okay clearly has like a a little bit of [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► an arc within that and and it seems like [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► they're intending to do more with him [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► but it's it's interesting that they [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► decided to go in this direction i feel [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► like because so much of it wasn't I mean [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► they didn't really explain likewise got [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► the whole like breathing apparatus thing [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► like you know [TS]

00:58:54 ◼   ► what's this replaces his legs you know [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► like it clearly he's been through some [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► stuff but like I don't know it's he [TS]

00:58:59 ◼   ► feels like a character of mystery and it [TS]

00:59:01 ◼   ► doesn't really pay off [TS]

00:59:03 ◼   ► I expected he wouldn't I you know I I [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► thought he was gonna come back from [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► orbit would seem like we haven't really [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► touched on a lot of stuff with him he [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► was the primary character in this that i [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► really felt okay am I missing stuff here [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► because I haven't watched the TV series [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► but it sounds like maybe not then I mean [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► you might miss some ideas like who the [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► background of his character in general [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► but like I don't believe that he I don't [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► believe that the epic his appearances in [TS]