52: Click to Click
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From Relay FM, this is Upgrade, episode number 52. Today's show is brought to you by lynda.com
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hover, simplified domain management and fracture. Photos printed in vivid colour, directly onto
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glass my name is Myke Hurley and I'm joined by Mr Six Colors, Mr Jason Snell.
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Hi Myke, I uh I'm uh orange today. Orange today. Orange you're glad it's Monday Jason. Yeah oh
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look at look at you look at you with the puns. Fair you know I've been working hard on that one.
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Yeah yeah you worked you were here nothing wrong with orange that's the sad thing about it. How's
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it going? It's another week. We're counting down. We're just about, as we record this,
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it's the last day of August, so we're just about free of the interminable month of August,
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the dog days of August where the tech news slows to a crawl and tech podcasts begin talking
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about subjects that are not interesting because there's not a lot to talk about. And we're
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getting revved up for Apple News in September, as is the tradition, so I feel like we're
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on the precipice here. I feel like this is where we turn the corner and we leave summer
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behind and we head to fall.
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Talking about that, about tech podcasts, talking about things which aren't interesting.
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Last week in podcasting land was Mouse Week.
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I feel like we already covered this like several weeks or months ago and now everybody's just
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getting caught up with upgrade. But be that as it may.
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So we spoke a little bit about input things last week and then ATP spoke about mice and
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then we spoke about mice on connected and then also again me and Grey spoke about mice
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So if you like input devices this is your month.
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This is a sweeping vertical on mice.
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I was fascinated by the ATP discussion.
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I'm so backed up on podcasts, but I did listen to the ATP discussion about mice and I'm fascinated
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by it because I have not used a mouse as my regular pointing device since like 1994, 1993.
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I just haven't used a mouse.
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I've used a track ball and now I use the track pad,
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the magic track pad.
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So it was fascinating to hear on ATP in particular,
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podcasters trying to describe the various hand positions
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of and the heights of mice and things like that.
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That's pretty funny.
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Oh, actually I do have a, I have a relevant anecdote.
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Oh my God, I have a relevant anecdote to tell you.
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And it's this, we had my son's birthday party
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over the weekend and it was, the theme was video games
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because my son loves video games and we actually played, I don't know if you've heard, and
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forgive me if you've talked about this on your video game themed podcast, but Runbow,
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which is a game for Wii U, just came out.
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- I haven't played it yet, but it's on my list because this is one of the very rare,
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what is currently being referred to as an indie game, a Nintendo indie game. There aren't
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a lot of them, Nintendo are making a real push at this now, they are creating this thing
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called Nindy and it's like this little program that they're doing and they're doing some
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really, really interesting things as part of the Nindy program.
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So they marketed this, I actually got an email last week from Nintendo saying "Runbow is
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out, you should play Runbow" and I looked at it and it looked cute and it was a $15
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download. And the thing about it that's the most interesting is it offers group play up
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to nine people in front of one television. And I thought, we have eight boys coming over
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for my son's birthday party. And they love games. And the whole theme is video games.
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It's like bring your computer or bring your iPad, we'll play games, we'll have pizza,
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we'll have cake, there'll be presents, and then we'll play more games, and then we'll
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wake up in the morning, we'll play more games. This was the whole plan. So it turned into
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a runbo party, essentially, because once they started playing that, they couldn't stop.
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It was Steve Lubitz said in the relay Slack chat when I was talking to him about this,
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that it was, you know, his kids were playing it and it was at like Super Smash Bros. level
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of enthusiasm, and I can attest to that too. And the brilliant thing about it is, so the
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Wii U, you can have up to four controllers plus the actual big Wii console handheld thing
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Gamepad. The gamepad, that's it. The ridiculous gamepad. Cool, but ridiculous. So that's five
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input devices up from the Wii, which had four. But each of the Wiimotes can have the nunchuck
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attached to them. And we have four Wiimotes with four nunchucks. And the way Runbo works,
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the nunchuck can be used by a separate person from the Wiimote. That's genius. That is amazing.
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So you have to be close because they're tethered, but you just sit next to each other. And I'm
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not sure we ever had nine, we did have eight at one point playing simultaneously. So that's
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brilliant because you can get the entire group involved instead of just four or five people
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with the most multiplayer versions that you can get for the Wii. But on top of that, as
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a parent looking at it, I really appreciated how the game was built. It had multiple game
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modes, it's got a run, it's got a race, a king of the hill, it's got a bunch of different
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customizable characters which are brilliant, the art direction is brilliant, the music
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is fantastic. It's like a Saul Bass title sequence from the 60s, is what it struck me
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as being like. Super stylized and cool, and the concept is very colorful because Runbow
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is run and rainbow put together, and the idea is that there are all these platforms on this
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game that are different colors, and a rainbow basically sweeps over the screen, so for every
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three or four seconds a new primary color, or a new color pops over the entire screen,
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And whatever color platforms match the color that goes to the background, essentially they
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So if you're standing on an orange platform and everything turns orange, you fall.
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So there's this added -- it's great.
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And there's a mode where the person on the gamepad is playing the color master, and basically
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they're in opposition to all the players who are running on screen, and they're dropping
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bombs and throwing paint to sort of ruin everybody's experience.
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then you try to see who, whether they can, somebody can reach the goal before the color
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master destroys everybody. So many variations. It's a $15 game and the boys were playing
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it forever. So that was great. So that turned up to be most of the time for it. And I highly
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recommend Renbo if you've got a Wii U. So good. And it puts, I love to what you were
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saying, I love that Nintendo is trying to do this because indie games, clever indie
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games like this really can help increase the value of the Wii U. Because right now the
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story on the Wii U is basically it's for first party titles. And I really like the first
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party titles that are on the Wii U, but I don't regret buying the Wii U because my kids
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really love the Nintendo games that are available for the Wii U plus our old Wii games, but
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it's a whole added dimension. If you had a bunch of these really great downloadable indie
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games that were also coming to the Nintendo platform, that would make it even more impressive
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and exciting. So I'm glad that we discovered this one. But one of my son's friends came
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over with a laptop and they wanted to do some Minecraft stuff. And he was baffled by our
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house. He was like, "Do you have a mouse in our house?" Because he was using my daughter's,
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he didn't bring a laptop, he was using my daughter's iMac. And they were playing Minecraft.
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And it has her, her, her iMac has my old trackball that I used to use before I got the magic
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And he's like, do you guys have a mouse?
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And we had a whole conversation.
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It's like, do we have a mouse?
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Is there a mouse in the house?
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And the answer is, this is turning into a Dr. Seuss, by the way, is there, could there
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be, you know, have you possibly, could you possibly souse where there's a, no, I can't
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Is there a mouse in the house?
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And there isn't.
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Maybe I've got a mouse, a USB mouse,
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like buried at the bottom of this giant plastic bin
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I have full of cables and old hard drives and stuff.
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Maybe there's one there that like I bought a used Mac
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at some point and they threw in this mouse
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and I never used it, but no,
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we have no mice in the house at all.
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Just a magic track pads and track balls.
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And it was just a funny moment.
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So I had that realization that we are just saying,
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we're not a mouse house.
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- Mouse-less house.
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the house has no mouse. So anyway, that's a whole, that's our birthday party vertical
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right there, Myke. I know you weren't expecting it. I wasn't expecting it either, but there
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it is. We talked about video games and we talked about how Jason's house has no mice
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in it. Of either kind, I hope. Ben wrote in. Anyway, follow out. That was really great
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follow-out and birthday party follow-up. So Ben wrote in about we were talking
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again and again and again as we have many times in the past about pen and
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paper versus... We also have no pens in our house. No that's not true we do have pens
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in our house. Yeah I would I would send a care package if you didn't, don't worry. He wrote in to talk to say to us that he
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finds that computer screens disconnect him from the physical space whereas pen
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and paper lets him stay more engaged with the speaker when he's taking notes. I
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I can attest to this, I find, you know, we talk about like distraction-free writing environments.
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Well, pens and paper have no distraction, right? There's nothing jumping out of them.
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I think that that is a really just great succinct way of putting that, like the difference between
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Yeah, I mean, you can get your, like if you're on a tablet and you're using a pen or you're
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typing. I think you could get it set up to the point where you could try to stay engaged,
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but you are absolutely right that the interface of pen on paper is as simple. There's no interface
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to fiddle with. Doodling is the closest you can get to fiddling with the interface on
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a pen and paper. And you're not going to get any notifications and you're not going to
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have any temptation to switch to different apps. All you have is the pen and the paper.
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I would also argue, especially for me, and especially if we're talking about tablets
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as a thing for note-taking, you can, it's easier to take notes not looking at a piece
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of paper and like looking at what's in front of you.
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You're not gonna, you're not gonna be like, "Oh, I wrote on my leg," right?
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You're going to put pen on, you know, ink on paper and even if you're not looking.
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So there we go.
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what happened in some time, few weeks time maybe when we find out if we're gonna get
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this magical pen in the iPad. Jim wrote in to tell us that he has found some
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third-party watch bands on eBay. We were talking last week about third-party
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bands for the Apple Watch and how both of us were kind of unsure about it. Jim
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was really happy with the results. One of them is looks very much like a level
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loop like you show me this picture and I at first thought he was showing us his
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Apple level loop for comparison but no he bought that level loop from eBay and
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then also a black Milanese band. What did I call that? Is that Loop as well?
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Yeah Loop. Milanese Loop. Looks nice in the black I think. It does. I think that's a
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nice look. I think and Jim said he's very happy I mean obviously 35 I think 35
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pound 35 dollars I can't remember where Jim was writing him from but it was 35
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of your local currency. And I agree they do look really good. But my kind of hesitation remains
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that I don't know how I feel buying a watch strap that doesn't have the Apple approved and created
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lugs. I'm just worried that it's gonna break or slip off or something gets lodged in there or I
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I don't know what.
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Yeah, I need to...
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I'm curious.
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I mean, this comes down to what people's experiences are.
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Like is this...
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Does this work?
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Is this good enough?
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Or are they...
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The ones that we saw the pictures of, Jim says he's happy with them.
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They look good.
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That's just my hesitation is, do they...
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When you look at them in real life, do they look good and do they fit and feel good?
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and then do they last or are they kind of crappy and they fall apart? I don't know.
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I don't know.
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>> But for 35 pounds, I mean, they can last for -- I could get four of them, right?
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>> Apple's margins are so large too that if somebody else wants to take this down, you
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know, clearly what Apple wants to do is have this lug licensing program thing where you
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use their lugs and it's sort of like that's how Apple makes some money off of the third
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party sales but you know there's nothing stopping somebody from trying to do something like
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this my question is just what's the quality but they definitely look very nice and you
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know it's I'm having this because my wife is her anniversary is coming up and her birthday
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is coming up and she wants an Apple watch and we were talking in the car yesterday about
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bands and about the different models and this is the challenge is that you know when we
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talk about Apple Watch bands we're not just talking about the price of the bands which
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are you know the bands aren't cheap the Apple bands but the Apple bands are all color matched
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other than the sport bands with the stainless model and I mean let's leave addition out
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of it they're color matched with the stainless model and the stainless model is more much
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more expensive than the than the sport model so you start talking about like well if you
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wanted the Milanese loop, then you get that with the stainless, and now that band doesn't
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just cost what it costs, you've also now upgraded to the stainless model of the watch. And one
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of the interesting things with something like this is it's not just cheaper, but if you
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could get a loop that's color matched to a sport instead of stainless, that's a different
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story too. So there's a lot there, and I don't know what we're going to do with what
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Lauren wants for her watch I think she's still I think she should probably get a
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stainless but I think she's gonna balk at the price of it. So she wants one but
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hasn't yet got one? Hasn't yet got one we're gonna go to the Apple Store and
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she's gonna do she's gonna do I told her she has to try them on she has to see
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what the leather yeah and what the what the modern buckle looks like and what
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the what the you know what the different watches look like because all she's ever
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seen are my band my current one and the one that I had the day that they shipped
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and she knows one thing which is she doesn't like the bright color bands.
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She kind of thinks the black is okay and she saw the white and she says she thought that was pretty nice.
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So, yeah, we're going to do that, but it's just funny because that's part of the Apple Watch shopping experience
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is you start to talk about these other band types and then it becomes a whole thing about,
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"Well, does that mean I get the stainless steel watch too?"
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Because as Stephen Hackett would say, you know, if the lugs don't match then you're just, you know,
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you know, you're asking to be laughed at, which I don't agree with but I see it.
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It's better if they match.
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I think it's so important to go to the Try-On because every
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opinion I created for myself about what the straps would feel like was 100%
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wrong in every single instance, right? So you do have to try them on.
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The funny thing over time, I always said I'm gonna get the Milanese, I'm gonna get
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the Milanese, I don't think I'm gonna get it. Like I have four sport bands and I
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I love the sport pants.
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I have absolutely no feeling now of needing anything else.
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I talked so much about getting the classic buckle because I love the black leather band
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with a classic buckle-like look and feel and plastic watch bands have always bothered me
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because they get all sweaty and weird. And when I started running, I started running
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again a couple months ago and I switched to the sport band just because I thought I don't
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want to run with this leather band, I'm going to sweat all over it, it's going to ruin it,
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and I'll just swap on the leather band at other times. Well, I've been wearing the sport
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band since then. And I like the leather band, and if I was dressing up and going out to
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dinner or something like that. I might swap into the leather, but for, you know, working
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in my garage and going for runs and sweating and things like that, the sport band's been
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fine and it doesn't bother me at all, which really surprised me because I cannot begin
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to describe how much I dislike plastic watch bands. I just I hate them because they leave
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my wrist feeling kind of weird and damp and it's just I don't like it and yet here I am
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with the with the sport band. I mean I know I know it's played out now but they're not
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plastic right there this other thing which is funny because you know it's like oh fluoroelastoma
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but they don't feel like plastic to me they do have a different feeling um and i guess that you
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know that's the special plastic that they ended up making yeah i think that's i think that's exactly
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it which is uh uh it it's it's better you know it's nicer and uh so so i'm i'm kind of with you
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So, the Trion was really great and we're gonna definitely do that for Lauren's watch.
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So I'll report back if she gets one, what it is.
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And you know, I've been encouraging her to, I think the stainless would be fine, I'm happy
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with her having a nicer watch than me.
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But we'll see how, we'll see what she says when we go to the Apple store.
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I have to say, the Trion was one of those things where Apple really demonstrated their
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knowledge of their own product, like they knew that you needed to try it on, like, and
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how important that that would be for the buying process.
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And how many people, you know, like, I don't think that Adina would have bought one unless
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she would have tried it on.
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She didn't want one really.
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And then she tried it on and was like, "Yeah, I want one now."
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So these things were on.
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Alright, should we wrap up the close up the old follow up bag or whatever it is and move
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on to topics?
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Great idea, Jason.
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Let's indeed close the follow up bag.
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I'm closing it now.
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I'm tying a knot.
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It's just a slip knot.
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You can untie it later.
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It'll be pretty easy.
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Now I'm tossing it in the corner.
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Alright, follow up bag is away.
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Myke, now what?
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Righty-ho, so the Apple invitations have gone out,
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the event invitations for the event
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that's going to happen on the 9th,
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which was the exact day that I didn't want it to happen,
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because I'll be on a plane.
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- Yeah, you're gonna be in the air while this all goes on.
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- Yep, and I land pretty much as soon as it ends.
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No wifi on the plane, so I'm gonna have,
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I'm gonna, it's gonna be like 2010 or something for me,
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where I will be checking six colors at the end.
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Well, not that that existed,
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and I maybe would have looked at Macworld
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for your great live blogging,
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and find out exactly what was announced.
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So it's all gonna be a big surprise to me,
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and who knows when I'll get to actually watch the video,
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Probably by the time I've landed,
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there will be a thousand think pieces
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and 20 podcasts all published for me to devour.
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So we have the event, the event is Siri focused,
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is the invitation.
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the invitation, sorry.
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The invitation is Siri focused.
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Is Siri focused?
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Who knows what the event will be focused on.
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We can take some good guesses, but I would like to get some early ideas and predictions
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from the man with the plan, Mr. Jason Snell, about what we might see next week.
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So what do you think we're going to get?
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Well it's always an iPhone event, right?
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September iPhone, it's always been that way.
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So I think, you know, we'll get new iPhones.
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If we had to follow the conventions of previous iPhone or Apple iPhone releases, it will be
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It'll be the 6s and 6s Plus, I imagine?
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And then the old models will, you know, be brought down.
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Reports are that the 6 Plus will stay in the product line, which I find kind of baffling.
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I guess the old models are easier to make and cheaper to make as time goes on.
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So I just, we're going to have a lot of different models out there, it sounds like.
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Sounds like they'll still be the 5S, and then they'll be the 6 and the 6 Plus and the 6S
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and the 6S Plus, and they'll all be there at various different, you know, various price
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Was it 9 to 5 Mac who said that the 5C will be discontinued?
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Could be, could be.
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That's not surprising to me, because it's at the bottom of the line now, so they may
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just bump it off.
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Or they may keep it around but only in certain markets, that's another possibility.
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But at some point you gotta, you know, even if the margins on it are pretty good, at some
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point you gotta make it hit the end of its life.
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So that wouldn't surprise me.
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Of course, for all of our talk about a new version of a small phone, there's no sign
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of that in the supply chain, so it's not gonna happen almost certainly.
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I'm holding out hope that it may happen at a future time because I think that not having
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a small phone at all on the price list would be problematic, but who knows, maybe Apple
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doesn't care.
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But I hope that they will update that at some point next year.
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They could even do it, honestly, they could even do it in the spring and just put out
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a press release that says, "Oh yeah, we updated the 5S, now it's the 5S2," I don't know what
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it would be the 6M. Just make some letters and numbers out there.
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So what would the lineup be missing then? The 5S wouldn't be able to do Apple Pay, right?
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But that's probably the only big thing that it couldn't do?
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Right. So you'd have the four, in terms of sort of the way that they're marketed in,
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certainly in the US, that is the free phone, that becomes the free phone, free with contract
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or essentially walk out for a lot of these plans now it's walk out the door without paying
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anything for it and then agree to pay it over time so it's the lowest of the of it's the
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baseline price zero essentially and then up from there you have the steps up so you would
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have you would have a six that would be your hundred dollar and then you would have the
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the 6s at the at the 199 along with maybe the 6 plus the old 6 plus the mic was right
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phone and then up from there you'd have the 6s plus and then within that then you'd have
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that those would be the base configurations in terms of of storage so then you go up from
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there Apple's happy to let you give them all the money if you want to if you want to do
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that so I think I think we're just gonna see that it's gonna be another turn of the wheel
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and we talked in previous shows about force touch being a possibility there and some more
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kind of haptic feedback than we're used to seeing. The rumors are upgraded, optics upgraded
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camera in general, front and back, and that seems reasonable.
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>> Yeah, it seems like they're going to put a really good camera, like not at least. So
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German is doing what German does and there's piecemeal leaks coming out now.
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them out. Yeah, that's right. And what he's saying for the iPhone 6 line would be a
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larger front FaceTime camera so it would have a better camera. I don't think that they say
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what it's gonna have but it will be better. And a software flash so the screen
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will flash. Oh yeah, sure. Which I think is smart. I think it's a good idea. And also a
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rose gold? Have you seen this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's another color variation that
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they're gonna do which is the rose gold which is the, you know, it's the pinky
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gold version. So they'll have colors that match all the watches then? Yeah, I guess
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so. I guess that's that's more or less right. So they'll have every they'll have
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something for the watch bodies effectively. But also, I mean, you know,
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they're already anodizing, throw another color in the lineup. I don't have a skin.
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- But you know, I like the rose gold color watch.
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I think it's a nice color.
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I wouldn't buy it myself personally,
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but if I was gonna get a gold,
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maybe I would go for that one.
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And I think it's kinda pinky, right?
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So it's probably gonna sell.
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I reckon that would sell quite well,
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depending on who they're trying to attract with that.
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I think that's a smart move.
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It's not gonna get everyone, but I think it's,
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if you can add something in the lineup
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that's not too difficult to do,
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and it's gonna make a lot of people happy,
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then go for it.
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Which is why I still, I mean I just want to see them go full on, let's go with colors,
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but I don't know when we're going to see that, but I think, you know, just do one silver,
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one black, and then four or five colors.
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That's what I would like to see.
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The iPods are all anodized aluminum.
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I mean, you would think that they could do that and have, you know, have them be in all
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I just assume it's the complexity at scale for iPhone sales numbers that makes that a
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- You carry, everywhere that sells iPhones now has to carry
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all the different models and then somebody comes in
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and says I wanna buy it right now and instead of saying
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yes we've got it, you say well we don't have it in blue
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but we do have it in orange, would you like orange?
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And they'll say no, only Jason is orange today
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and they leave and then you've lost a sale.
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So you don't wanna do that.
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- You think you've gotta have three storage sizes,
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six or seven color variations and in some markets,
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phones for different networks or whatever.
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- Yeah, it's too much.
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Yeah, it's too much, but I would love to see it.
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You know, do something like MotoRolo does, the MotoMaker type thing.
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You buy it online, pick the color you want.
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That's what I was going to say was maybe it's an online order only color variation, right?
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It's like if you want us to do it in blue or orange or red or whatever, we'll do that for online orders only.
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But in the stores, it's these three colors, these four colors.
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But still, hey, more colors is good. People like colors.
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It is an expression of their personality. They get to choose a color, at least, you
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know, from a limited palette, but they still get to make a choice. And that's good.
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So what else are we going to see next week, Jason?
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Um, let's see. Well, the rumors are there's a new Apple TV that's coming. Now, this is
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the rumor—sorry, I should stop and laugh here. There it is again. A rumor that we've
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seen before, but maybe we won't see it again. It sounds like this is pretty solid, that
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the new Apple TV hardware is finally going to happen. And the implication, I think, behind
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having Siri as the center of the invitation, not only is it just kind of a cheeky joke
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of, you know, maybe Siri knows what Apple is going to do next, but there are products
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that involve Siri that will be shown. And, you know, the iPhone has Siri and that's nice.
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But what if, as the rumors foretell, Apple TV had Siri as well, like Siri Remote or something
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like that where you could ask the Apple TV for something and, you know, use the same
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kind of technology to do that. And that's one of the rumors. So, looks like the new
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Apple TV thing might happen, and I'm really excited to see if this new Apple TV has an
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app store, has an API, the ability for third-party developers to develop for it, a game story
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behind it, and other apps too. But, like, I'm intrigued by the idea of Apple trying
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to use its power in iOS development, the fact that there are so many iOS developers and
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so many iOS games and being able to sort of transfer that—try anyway—to transfer that
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to the living room, because they have a huge advantage in mobile, and if they could transfer
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that to the living room, that could be powerful for them.
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I'm gonna steal this idea from a good friend of the show, Mr. James Thompson.
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The outside bet, the magical thing that could happen is they unveil the TV and bring out
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Nintendo as the first game demo.
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Well they're working with that developer on iOS games, right?
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be that far a step for them to say? They're still saying end of the year
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before the end of the year they'll have the first Nintendo game on smartphones.
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Still wouldn't it wouldn't be that would be kind of crazy to say hey here's a
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Nintendo game you can play on a box attached to a TV that's not a Nintendo
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box. Yeah you want to sell the App Store that's the way you do it. Yeah that would be
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that would be pretty wild. Yeah and then Apple chucks a ton of money at them to
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give them an exclusive. You know, it's not too crazy a bet, but it's still just crazy
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enough. But it would be a home run if they could manage it. Because they're going to
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do their usual partnership stuff, because the idea being there will be an SDK, right?
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That's kind of the big thing, because they're saying that, well, all of the rumors are indicating
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that the streaming service isn't ready. So they really need to push on the development
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So this is the, and it's the holiday quarter.
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I mean, we talked about this before.
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The holiday quarter is huge for Apple.
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What better, I mean, this has been,
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I made this argument like four years ago
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and it didn't come true, which is an Apple TV
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with an SDK, with an app store, with a game story to tell.
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Could be a huge seller at the holidays
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because not only does it give you access to Netflix
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and all of those things, but it's a game console
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for 150 bucks or 200 bucks that plays all of these games.
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And they've got the iOS game library
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to, you know, not all those games translate,
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but some of them do.
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I mean, I've been playing Pac-Man 256,
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that translates perfectly fine to a controller
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with physical buttons.
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And the rumor is that the Apple TV controller
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has both physical buttons and a touch,
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a little touch pad thing on it.
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So you could actually do swiping and the like as well.
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So it'll be interesting to see.
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With so much of this,
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the rumors tell us a lot about the technology.
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And you could argue that there's no point
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in watching the thing.
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Like you're gonna be in the air, it's fine.
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You know everything that's gonna happen
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because all the rumors are gonna be out there.
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And by the time you get on that plane,
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I would say within a high degree of certainty,
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you'll know what the hardware is
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that's gonna get announced and what its features are.
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But what you won't know until you get off that plane
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is how Apple tells the story of those products.
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And to me, that is why it's always worth watching these Apple events, even if you feel like
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you know everything that's going to happen.
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Because it's not what the products are, it's what Apple says the products are, that I find
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fascinating.
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Because how do you sell an Apple TV?
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How do you sell that box and say, "Here's another thing to hook up to your TV."
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"Well, I've got things hooked up to it."
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"Well, no, but you really want this one to be hooked up to it."
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"Well, why would I want that?"
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And then they have to answer that.
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And in this case, I think one of the answers is, it plays games.
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You know all those games you'll like on your iPad and your iPhone?
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well they're gonna be versions of those for this thing that you can play with your family
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and it comes with a controller plus you can use your your iPhone and your iPad as controllers
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plus you can buy more controllers and they've got motion things in them so they're kind
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of like the Wii and they you know there is a story to be told there if that's the story
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they're gonna tell I also am curious if they're gonna be first party games if there are games
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for the Apple TV would Apple build some games they did that on the iPod back in the day
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they had put like poker for the iPod. I don't think they need to anymore. I don't think
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do? I don't think they do, but I'm just, I'm wondering, do you do something like Wii Sports
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just to show what's possible on the platform, or do you just go to your developer partners
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and say, "Psst, do this," and have them make it? Probably, probably they don't. The world
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does not need Apple to get into game development, but I wonder then if they're not going to
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do it, they need to show off the platform, the best things about this platform, and tell
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that story and that means game demos. It means having developers who know about the platform
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who can say, "Look what we did with this controller," you know, remote thing, whatever it is, whatever
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it's called. So that's what I'm really looking forward to with the Apple TV. Like the iPhone,
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I feel like, you know, the iPhone pays the bills, iPhone is really great, so they're
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going to sell a lot of them. It's the most important thing that'll get announced. But
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we also kind of know what the story is that they're going to tell with the iPhone. Everybody
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loves the iPhone. It's great. This one's even better because it's got this and that. Look
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look how many people are using Apple Pay, now there's this new--people on the watch
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love the Force Touch, so we're bringing that in. You can sort of tell how that story is
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going to be sketched, but how are they going to sketch the story of the Apple TV? I think
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it's a tougher sell. And how much do they go into games? They certainly, with the iPod
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Touch, used to really lean into games in October, right? And be like, "The holidays are coming,
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it's a great game platform, buy it for your kids and they'll play games on it." So do
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Do they do that with the Apple TV or do they just sort of allude to it?
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I don't know.
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I'm fascinated to find out.
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I struggle to see, at least I won't feel that they will have a commitment to games until
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they give us a controller with a bunch of physical buttons on it.
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Not like a couple of buttons and a touchpad because that's not how console gaming works
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and not just because that's how it's always been, it's because if you are looking at the
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TV screen and not your hands, you're not going to look down. You can't use a touchpad effectively
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because you know it's not you can't tap for where the character will go because you're
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not looking at the screen right you need to be able it's and as well like a lot of iOS
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games will not be able to be ported in without significant changes to the way that they work.
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Well so 9to5back says that there will be the existing remote the or the you know this rumored
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remote that they're going to offer but that they'll also have Bluetooth controller support.
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So I feel like the current iOS devices have that like like you know you can buy these
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third-party controllers I just mean like I won't buy from Apple a commitment to gaming
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developers can be committed to gaming and make the exact games that they want to make
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and have support for these controllers but I won't buy a commitment from Apple until
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they actually make a real controller for a games console like Amazon did with the Fire
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That's a good question.
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Would Apple make, boy can you imagine the John Siracusa rant about an Apple made video
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game controller?
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It probably wouldn't be as good as their parties could make.
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But I just want to see them make it, right?
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Because the Amazon one is okay, but at least they made it.
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Yeah, I think that is a good question.
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Would Apple bother?
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Or would they say, "Yeah, no, third parties are gonna make it, it's fine."
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Because it says something about the platform that it's like, "Yes, we also make available
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this controller."
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And that's one of the ways they'll have to sell it is, are they gonna sell this remote?
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It's like, look, right out of the box, you've got a remote that has a multi-axis controller,
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and you can wave it around and it's just like the Wii remotes used to be, except much smaller,
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and it does all the things that they do.
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Plus you've got your phones.
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Or do you say, you know, also we have a, you know, we have a pro controller that you can
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buy it's 50 bucks and you know, you can use those with games too.
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Or will they say we have a great partner who's going to make a pro controller that works
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and all the Bluetooth pro controllers work.
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I think I think you're right.
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I think it's not necessary, but maybe it sends a message if they say, yeah, we've got an
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Apple pro controller.
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And then John can talk about that for eight hours.
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You know because like you know you bring up you bring up the Wiimote again, and I agree with it
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But the Wiimote is still buttons and it had gyroscope right covered in buttons
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It's a problem the problem is a touchscreen or a touchpad
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Will not work as well. I think there are physical buttons on the rumored Apple TV remote
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Yeah, but it's like okay
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So the other thing is if you want to make a game controller
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It can't double as a remote because ergonomically they have to be extremely different things
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That's that's probably true
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If you want to know about the ergonomics of game controllers, I have a great episode of hypercritical for you. Mm-hmm
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Yeah, oh, I mean a thin remote that doubles as a wiimote is not gonna be the same as a wiimote
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There's no doubt about that
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Yeah, because the Wiimote was still built to be held and it was chunky and it had specific
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parts in it that you would hold it.
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But that was not a good controller for the hand, right?
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But like you look at the gamepad, the gamepad is way thicker than it needs to be.
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Because if you open one of those up, there's massive spaces in it.
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But they made it so it could be held.
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They think about the ergonomics, right?
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And that's why like a remote and a controller are fundamentally different things.
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So you need both, right?
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that's cheap and small and is not ideal but it can be used and then you've got an alternative
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that is better that needs to be available. I don't know, we could really go down the rabbit hole and
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we may have already, we're already halfway down about Apple TV and gaming. I'm also curious about
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other apps if they talk about, you know, here's Major League Baseball that's made this amazing
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new app that has all these features like because the Major League Baseball app for example for
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PlayStation is, it's just amazing. I think the Xbox One version is too. Amazing! And
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then the Apple TV one is, it's fine, you know, it plays games, you can watch a baseball game.
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But the PlayStation version is even better than the version that's on iOS actually, it's
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got like event data where you can go, you can say like, "Oh, let's jump to when, on
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this archived game, let's jump to when the next run was scored. And you can do it. You
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can see, oh, they got a hit there. Let's jump to there. And so, you know, whether it's
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Major League Baseball or somebody else, somebody who's maybe a video provider saying, look,
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we're going to build an app for this that really takes advantage of this platform as
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well. That'd be interesting to see. Do they do that? Do they have somebody like Netflix
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or HBO Go or Major League Baseball or somebody in that vein to talk about the entertainment
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possibilities that can be built out of this that aren't games but like, you know, video
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and other interfaces like that. I don't know. We'll see.
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If they don't have the cable service thing that they're going to make ready, then most
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definitely they will because otherwise they'd be like, "Here's the Apple TV. It has no TV
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- Yeah, well, right, but is it part of the,
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is it just like, hey, we've got the same old things you love
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which is menus of things you can pick from and watch a show?
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Or do they say, this is gonna be great
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for your channel providers too,
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because look at this amazing new HBO Go app,
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it's so much better than the old one because of X, Y, and Z
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and here's a developer at HBO to tell you
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how easy it was to build this amazing thing.
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That would be a different story than like, yep,
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it's also got HBO on it.
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- All right, let me take our second break
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and we'll get back to this. We spoke way longer about the Apple TV than I was expecting.
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know it seemed like a jam-packed event but I'm standing by that I think my
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to make sure they get as many people as possible to see them and the best place
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to do that is at the iPhone event which is why they're gonna unveil the Apple TV
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there as well but I'm still holding out for the iPads. I don't think so. Yeah it
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feels it does feel less likely as the days go on but I'm still I'm still gonna
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hold on to it because if I'm right great if I'm wrong everyone forget about it. Well by
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pattern the new iPads would come in October I feel like if Apple is trying
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send a message that the iPad is important. Killing the October event and
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moving it all into September at the end of the iPhone event is a really bad way
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of signaling that the iPad that they're still bullish on the iPad. If they want
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to make a splash with a new iPad model that is going to you know change how the
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world thinks of the iPad, putting that in the iPhone event I think is is not
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giving it a big stage. I think it's overshadowing it with other stuff so you
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Well, I mean, the iPhone event is the biggest stage though.
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It is, but then, you know, do you want to, this is the question, do you want to be the
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star of a smaller event or number two or three on the agenda in a larger event?
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I think that's the question.
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Do you want to open for the Rolling Stones and have people throw things at you?
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Or do you want to have a nice concert in a decent sized hall where you're the star?
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a bad metaphor, but that's what I'm getting at here. I feel like, I don't know, I think
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it says not good things about the iPad if Apple stuffs it into the phone event, because
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one, they've gotten rid of the iPad as its own event, and they feel the need to have
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it be part of the iPhone show. If they're launching a brand new iPad and iPad Pro, wow,
00:49:09
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I think they need more time to talk about it. If there's truly new iPhones and new Apple
00:49:14
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TV with things to talk about it would be a very stuffed schedule if they did that
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so I'm not I'm not saying they won't I'm just saying that I if I had to pick I
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would say it's more likely that they'll do it in October as they've done in the
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past talk about the iPad and how great it is and maybe even have some other
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products like new Macs to drop for the holiday quarter and do that all in
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October but you know never say never they could absolutely pack it all in to
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one event in September. Okay, no, I see it. I get what you're saying. We'll see. I'm just
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gonna hold out hope. No, good. That's good. We gotta have, uh, that'll be your big question
00:49:50
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when the plane lands and you can turn on your phone. Was Myke right? Was Myke right? We'll
00:49:56
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find out. Is that an international flight that you're on during that? Yeah, that's to
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Portland. That's all, well actually, that first flight, the flight that I'm on during
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the event is to Canada. And I arrive in Canada, I will be refreshing my phone incessantly
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and then get on a flight down to Poland.
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Wow, you're flying London to Vancouver?
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I believe it's Vancouver, yeah.
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Alright, okay, well we'll have some fans waiting for you at the gate. No, we won't.
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I won't be leaving the airport so they won't see me.
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They won't see you. They'll be outside just touching the glass walls and saying "Myke's
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there somewhere and it'll be not creepy at all.
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Feel free to come on down but you won't see me. Anything else? I mean I think that we're
00:50:39
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gonna see some watch bands or something. Something for the holiday season.
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Yeah so watchOS2 is I think the big question because iOS will come out they'll you know
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they'll say oh because this is all gonna happen on September 9th and they'll probably say
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this come this will all be on sale starting the 18th the following Friday that's the pattern
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so that's probably what they'll do and they'll probably say iOS 9 will come out you know
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next you know maybe like the 16th something like that they'll release the
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final version of iOS 9 because it'll be on those phones the question is watch OS
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2 does watch OS 2 come out then or does watch OS 2 come out later because we've
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got we've still got OS 10 to come out and so I think it's an open question
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will they talk about the watch I mean I'm sure they'll talk about it will they
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talk about watch OS 2 coming out next the following week or will they say
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it'll be out this fall, push it off a little bit, and then if they do an
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October event, talk about it then, release it then, and also maybe make some
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announcements then about different bands or things like that. I don't know.
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My feeling would be watchOS2 and iOS 9 same time. That would be my feeling.
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It feels like a one-two punch to me and I think in a lot of people's minds
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they're connected in a way. Yeah it may depend on what shape watchOS2 is in.
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What shape do you think it's in?
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I think it's pretty good. I think it's actually doing really well.
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I've been using it for the last few weeks and uh...
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I would think that they would come together and I think that, you know,
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if they mention it, it would feel like just a good time to say
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"Oh, we have a whole new range of bands coming for the holiday season
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and these are all the new sport band colours" and etc. etc.
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cetera cetera cuz I do think that there will be new bands for Christmas just
00:52:32
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something else something a little bit more just to help shift some more
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watches and some more watch related stuff. Yeah why not? Why not do that and and
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whether it's yeah right whether it's selling more watches with those bands or
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whether it's selling bands to existing watch owners I think a refresh look
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September 9th when they do this event that will mark the year anniversary of
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the announcement of the Apple Watch.
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- Yep, which is why I think they'll give some time to it.
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- Yeah, so I think that's probably a good idea.
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Like I said, if it's two-packed, they may decide,
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let's just talk about this in October,
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if they've got an October event on the way,
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but they may very well talk about it then.
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It's been in our consciousness for a while now,
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and so you wanna remind people that it's there,
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and the release happened a while ago now.
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So for the holidays, you need to rev up enthusiasm,
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And so talking about it, releasing the new version
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of the operating system, and yes, maybe some variations.
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I've wondered for a while now
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if they would do material variations on the watch.
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If they would do a different version of the watch
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that's still the same internals
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and it's still running the same software,
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but is different in some way.
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It's a different color, a different material.
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And I don't think that will happen, but it might.
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certainly new bands would make a lot of sense.
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And/or here are favorite third parties and the bands that they've created.
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They could do that. It seems, I wouldn't bet on that.
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Apple should have more of their own because it'd be crazy not to. I mean all you need
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to do is just throw some different color inks in the fluoroelastomer part.
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You would think.
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Because they had all those ones, I mean there's that picture, you can find it, they did it
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at a fashion show, right? Some fashion show somewhere.
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And the Star Wars thing, J.J. Abrams had like a midnight blue, he had one that does not
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exist in stores that he had, that he obviously had gotten from Apple.
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So I don't know, I don't know.
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So you'll be in the room, right?
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I believe Dan Morin and I will both be there.
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Both received invites for six colors, so we should be in the room.
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The room being the Bill Graham Civic Auditorium, which is not an event, a place that Apple
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has used before, I believe.
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In San Francisco it's a few blocks down, it's at 7th Street I think, so it's a little further
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The Yerba Buena is at 3rd and Moscone is at 4th, so you know, 3 or 4 blocks further down
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and it's on the other side of Market Street.
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So essentially what is that, 6 or 7 blocks away from the usual suspects?
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And it's a big venue which I think is good because so many of these Apple events, they're
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so jam-packed full of people.
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It's really uncomfortable for everyone involved.
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The Flint Center last year was the worst.
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It was just the worst.
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We were in the last row.
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There were photographers bumping up against us.
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It was just an uncomfortable place to be
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because it wasn't that big
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and there were a lot of people there.
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So this is a big venue.
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So hopefully it'll be better for all concerned logistically.
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I'm looking forward to it.
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So yeah, seeing that real-time follow-up,
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somebody's saying, "Oh, it might've been used
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for the Apple II announcement.
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Well, let's just say in my history covering Apple,
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they've never done an event there.
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And if they had an event there in prehistory,
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those people are all probably retired
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and living on an island now.
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So anyway, that's Stan and I will be there
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at whatever, 10 o'clock in the morning on the ninth,
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celebrating the end of our time at Macworld too
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as a part of that.
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because that's all bound up in this too is that was our last that was the last day basically that
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we were all working at Macworld and the next day everybody got laid off. What's the game plan?
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Remains to be seen I mean we'll have two people in the room so we'll probably do the live tweet
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thing and I think that's what it worked pretty well the last time is Dan did the live tweet
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thing and I took notes and planned to you know write something but but but do
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a little bit more of the the contemplation thing now the real
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question Myke and this ties into what we've been talking about the last couple
00:56:47
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of weeks is the real question is do I bring a pen do I fold to full grouper
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and just bring a pen in and and a field notes let me buy something for you
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that's the question I've got I've got some lovely pens and I've got some field
00:57:02
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notes book so I could do that maybe I will maybe I won't I don't know it's
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nice for me to be on Twitter and make comments here and there as the events
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going on but I'm certainly planning on being more in the moment of watching the
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event rather than frantically typing and things like that let Dan do the frantic
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typing because he's good at it are you working on any reviews right now like
00:57:27
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Like are you now scrambling to get anything done ahead of next week?
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So Dan and I will probably work together on an iOS 9 something or other, but I have not
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written a word of it.
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You know our friend Federico has written tens of thousands of words about iOS 9.
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I think he's up to a billion now?
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I think it's a billion words.
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Approximately a billion words.
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I haven't done that.
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I've been using it but I haven't written it and I feel no need to write a 10,000 word
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review of iOS 9.
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So I think Dan and I will work on something and we will collaborate on something for Six
00:57:59
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Colors about iOS 9.
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But you know, I don't feel like the obligation to write a giant review of everything.
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Now I am hoping very much that I will be able to review the new iPhones when they come out.
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I did that last year.
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Whether it's for Macworld or for Six Colors remains to be seen, but I would very much
00:58:20
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like to do that.
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I would very much like to review a new Apple TV, should it emerge.
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And I am working on an El Capitan review for Macworld, but I don't anticipate El Capitan
00:58:33
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I will be really hating life if El Capitan comes out at the same time as the iPhone,
00:58:39
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because I can't write all those reviews at once.
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So I should probably start writing an El Capitan review too, but I'm anticipating that'll be
00:58:44
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more of an October thing.
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And so I haven't written a word of that either.
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I've just been using it and taking notes.
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So yeah, this is gonna be that period where I end up writing huge number of words, not
00:59:00
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a billion, but I haven't written any of them yet.
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I keep thinking that every now and then somebody's gonna be like, "Oh, I bet Jason's writing
00:59:08
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a bunch of stuff."
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I'm like, "Nope.
00:59:11
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Nope, not yet."
00:59:12
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I'm just using the stuff.
00:59:13
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I've been using iOS 9, I've been using WatchOS 2, I've been using El Capitan, but I haven't
00:59:17
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gotten to the point where I sit down and write.
00:59:20
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Because quite honestly, that's never really worked for me.
00:59:23
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I kinda like don't wanna come in early in the game.
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I wanna wait until late in the game
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so that everything is kind of more fully formed
00:59:30
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and I've had more experience using it.
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That's impractical if you're doing something
00:59:35
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of the length of John Syracuse's OS X reviews
00:59:38
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or of Federico's iOS reviews.
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But I'm not trying to write 20,000 words about this stuff.
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So we'll see.
00:59:48
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So that's sort of what I'm doing.
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And honestly, right now I'm trying to clear the decks, because I know how busy it's going
00:59:55
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to be. Plus, we're going to XOXO, so this event's going to happen. I'm also going to
00:59:59
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be at a conference—this happened last year, too—I was at a conference with the phones,
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trying to think of and write the review. I wrote a lot of that review on the train from
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Portland to Seattle last year. It was crazy. So I know that's going to happen again to
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some degree. So I've been doing a lot of work the last couple of weeks to get things out
01:00:18
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of the way so that I can take a week or two and just focus entirely on the new products.
01:00:28
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Talking about the new products, when do you think they're going to come out? When do you
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think the new iPhones will actually come out?
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I think it's that if it follows the pattern it will be the following week after the event,
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so that would be 18th and then you would probably see first reviews from the press in the 15th,
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16th range, but who knows.
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- So I've yet to decide whether this, for me,
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is a good or bad thing.
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So if they were gonna come out,
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like if the event was the week earlier, it was this week,
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and then the phones came out on the 11th,
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then they would have come out during XOXO,
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which they have for many other years,
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many other times they've come out during.
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So in that scenario, I could have bought one there, right,
01:01:16
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in Portland and not had to have the sales tax,
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but then I would also be lining up
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on the first day of the conference to buy a phone.
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The other scenario is they come out when I'm at home,
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so I can just get one when I'm at home,
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which is what will happen now.
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But the bad part of that is I will likely line up
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because I have had such bad experiences
01:01:38
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with delivery drivers on iPhone day,
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they just don't work, there's too many orders,
01:01:43
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these delivery companies can't cope here.
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But that means the day after I arrive home from a transatlantic flight, waking up at
01:01:54
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the crack of dawn to go to an Apple store to get in line.
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There's no good scenario, however if the thing is I want to disrupt my life in the
01:02:05
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least way and get an iPhone then the way it's gonna go is better.
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Because I don't want to spend one of the mornings of my holiday standing outside and
01:02:14
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Absolutely not. So I'll just go and pick one up hopefully on the Friday or so. I
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think I'm gonna go completely off contract this time. Good, good for you.
01:02:24
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I'm a little bit fed up with just dealing with these companies so I'm gonna reduce
01:02:29
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the price of my plan, get a SIM, like month-to-month plan and get a, get an
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off-contract phone I think. So last thing I want to mention on this is what's
01:02:42
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happening with this show because that's all over the shop because if we do a
01:02:47
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show next Monday there's no point in it existing right?
01:02:51
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Indeed and it's also a holiday in the US it's Labor Day it's the day that Americans take all
01:02:57
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their white pants and put them away until the next spring I don't know if
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you were aware of that it's very important.
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It sounds very important.
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Don't wear white after Labor Day it's a key factor key thing you have to take off your white Apple Watch
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sport bands at that point. So I'm not going to even be here. And what is the point? We
01:03:16
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would do that show, it would post Monday evening and then you know 36 hours later would be
01:03:22
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completely invalidated. So we're not going to do it.
01:03:25
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No, we're not going to do it. So like there is a place for these types of shows that we've
01:03:29
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done today and we could do it on Monday but the thing is because you're going to be there
01:03:35
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it feels like there should be a show after the event which there will be. Now obviously
01:03:39
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Obviously I won't be broadcasting from a plane, so Stephen Hackett is going to fill in and
01:03:44
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he will be taking my duties next week and the show will go out, will be recorded and
01:03:50
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will be released on Wednesday at some point after the event.
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Wednesday evening probably after the event, Wednesday evening, Wednesday night.
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So we're hoping we'll do a special upgrade with me and Stephen Hackett on the 9th in
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the evening.
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So day of, and we're hoping to do clockwise then too, so it's going to be a marathon of
01:04:07
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post-event podcasting, but we do hope to do both of those things on Wednesday.
01:04:13
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So don't listen for Upgrade on Monday and its usual drop date next week.
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We're going to wait and do it right after the Apple event.
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And then, bonus, then we're all going to XOXO Festival in Portland, and I'm flying home
01:04:30
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the following Monday morning and you're staying in Portland for a few days.
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So what we're going to do is we're going to record an upgrade while we're together.
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It'll be our, what is that third, fourth together live upgrade?
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Maybe it's just the third.
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And we'll do that over the weekend.
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We'll do that probably on the Sunday and I'm not sure we'll stream it live, but regardless
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that episode will come out more or less maybe a little bit earlier than usual.
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And we'll talk even more about the aftermath of the Apple event and that'll be Jason and
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Myke in person, which is always fun.
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And then we'll be back on our normal schedule after this.
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would you like to kick off?
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[J] Sure, yes. We got an email that made me laugh out loud last night from listener Kristof
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who said, "Why do people get so emotional/angry/outright hostile about Tap to Click,
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a relatively innocuous software feature that I'm fairly sure is not even able by default.
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Its mere mention seems to cause otherwise rational people to become frenzied internet attack dogs,
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and I can't for the life of me think of another software feature that provokes this kind of
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reaction. Myself, I've used tap to click for as long as I can remember, I've found it to be
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entirely unproblematic, except of course when I'm foolish enough to mention it on the internet.
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I'm directing this question to you because your particular expression of hostility was somewhat
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muted suggesting your infection with this dynamic is mild in character and that you
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might therefore be able to master your feelings Jedi style and offer a rational answer to
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this baffling conundrum. Great letter. Great letter. And my answer is I actually, I, you
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know, I don't like Tap to Click and that's just the problem. The problem I think when
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you're somebody who has your, who broadcasts your opinions on the internet for a living,
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more so than if you're just a person on the internet, is you end up having to respond
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to people who want you to defend, like, "Why? Why did you choose this? I love this other
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way." And honestly, with something like Tap to Click, I've just sort of been worn down
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by all the people who are the zealots who enjoy Tap to Click so much and don't understand
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why everybody doesn't use it. And I think, I suspect that's what other people feel as
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well. It's like if you don't use Tap to Click, if you don't like Tap to Click, you
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have heard from so many users of Tap to Click about how great it is and how
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people, everybody should use it and why you should use it and why you're wrong
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not to use it. And I think it kind of wears you down and after a while you say,
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"Oh god, Tap to Click, I hate Tap to Click." Not because you actually hate the
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feature, but you hate talking about it because people keep telling you,
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"No, it's great! Why don't you like it? You shouldn't mention it. Don't forget it. You
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should always mention it." And it just gets tiring. So I think this is a case where my
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problem is not with tap to click as a feature. It just doesn't work for me. When I find it,
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I do find it unpleasant when it's turned on and I immediately turn it off because I misclick.
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My fingers do whatever needs to be recognized as a click when they're moving across the
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trackpad and it causes annoyances and, you know, it bugs me. So I turn it off. So I don't
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like it. I absolutely don't like it, but I think it's more than that. I think it's that
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after a while you get tired of the people saying, "Have you heard the good news about
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tap to click?" You're like, "Yes, I know about tap to click. I don't like it. Stop talking
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about it." I suspect, I don't know for sure, Kristof, but I suspect that is one of the
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reasons behind it. So I think, just as you feel that my infection with this dynamic is
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mild in character, I would return that to you as well. You two seem very polite and
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and rational and not just telling me,
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why can't you use tap to click?
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And so I appreciate the question and that's my answer.
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That's all I got.
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I will remain resolute that I use and enjoy tap to click.
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I am a hybrid clicker.
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I use tap to click and I use to click to click.
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I don't even know what the other one's called now.
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- Click to click.
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- Click to click.
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- No, no, you click, you click.
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You don't click to click.
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- Yes you do.
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- The click doesn't lead to a click.
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The click is the click.
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- No, at least.
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Tap emulates a click through a tap.
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- I feel like maybe on a Force Touch trackpad,
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it is click to click.
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I don't even know what it is anymore.
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Push to click.
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- Let's not talk about the Force Touch trackpad.
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That's a whole other can of worms
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that we'll have to click on later.
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- Interesting point here from Steven.
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Steven said, "Is the Tactic Engine a given
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for the iPhone 6S?
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I haven't heard anyone discuss
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how awesome it could be in an iPhone."
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So I'm thinking, so thinking about this.
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'Cause obviously Force Touch
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would probably bring with it the haptic, right?
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So you press on something and you feel it.
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- Could the haptic engine replace
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the standard vibrate motor in the iPhone?
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And if it does, could it be strong enough in a pocket
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and would it be silent?
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- It's a good question.
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And I think, I imagine all of the stories
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that Apple would tell about this.
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And I think that I'm intrigued to find out
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because it could, could it replace it?
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Could they use the existing vibration motor?
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Could they upgrade the existing vibration generator
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in the iPhone to one that's more subtle
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or has more variety to it.
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I doubt that Apple is gonna put two different vibrating
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items inside the iPhone, although it's not impossible.
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But I think this is the question is,
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will there be subtleties of vibration patterns
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and things like that, that are more than the current iPhone
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is capable of, or is the vibration motor in the iPhone
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currently capable of a lot more than the software
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does to drive it?
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I don't know.
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I think it's, I don't know enough about it.
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And I'm really curious to find out how they approach this,
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that if they decide you really do need haptic feedback
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for this, you can't just have it be pressure sensitive,
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then what do they do?
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And is the current placement of the vibration on the phone,
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does it, is it effective at being haptic feedback
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where your brain connects your press
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with the feel of the vibration
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and makes you feel like you depressed something.
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Is that what they want?
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I'm really interested in seeing what they do here.
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'Cause I think you make a very good point.
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There's already a vibration thing in the phone.
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So how does that change with Force Touch?
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- I feel like there's a great little ad
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in a lady sitting in the office
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or a guy sitting in the office
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and their phone's on silent and they're in a meeting
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and you hear (imitates phone ringing)
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and then they do it, they show what the new life
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of the iPhone 6 is, where it's just completely quiet
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and it's tapping you.
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I think that there's a little video in there
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which could be fun.
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So I think it would be interesting to see the Taptic
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find its way to the iPhone.
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- Wimsey asked, "My mom wants to record an audio book
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"for the first time.
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Someone recommended a snowball and audacity for starting. What are your thoughts?
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So this would be the blue snowball. I would suggest if possible if the budget stretches get
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a blue yeti instead of a snowball. They're both fine but the yeti is better than a snowball so
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if you can do that do that because I don't actually think there's a massive cost difference between
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the two. It depends on what's on sale and when. Yes. The snowball is is affordable that's the first
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podcast mic I ever used. Is that the first one you used?
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No, the first ever microphone I had was a Logitech headset. The first sort of real
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microphone was the Yeti.
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All right, well I had the Snowball for years and it was and it is fine. The Yeti is better.
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Not only does it sound better, it's got a headphone jack so you can hear yourself and
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that's very important because when you can't hear yourself you could be too loud, you could
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be popping all of your P's, you could be far away from the microphone turning away and not realizing
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that people can't hear you and so having that feedback is really great but it is
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maybe $40 more so if you if you have a budget a limited budget the the you know
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the eddy is not may not be within it but the eddy is I think the best cheap
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all-purpose podcast mic even now there's more competition but it's still up
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relatively it sounds pretty good in especially in the less echoey
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environments sounds pretty good it's not that expensive it's pretty solid yeah
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And also Audacity, if you're using a Mac use GarageBand it's easier to use and
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understand. If you're using a PC, Audacity is the best thing I know of. I actually
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use Audacity still for some stuff. It has pretty decent noise removal tools and
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there's some stuff that it can do in taking stereo files and turning them into
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or monophiles and stuff like that, I find easier and faster to do with Audacity than
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the other app. I've been meaning to try out Adobe Audition for their noise removal stuff
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because Marco recommends it, that's on my list, but Audacity is very very powerful,
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it's just ugly as sin and really really confusing. But if you can understand it and/or you need
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something that's free, go with Audacity in my opinion. It does everything you're gonna
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need. I can't actually, I don't really understand how it exists but it does so
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go for it. Yep I think that's perfectly reasonable.
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Alastair asks given the new security features in LCAP do you think it's still
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necessary to run antivirus software on OS X? They're still there. Yeah my
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answer to this Alastair is I don't think it's ever been necessary. It's always
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been superfluous to run antivirus on a Mac? I never have, never ever have.
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Back in the OS like system 7 days we had viruses on floppy disks but on OS 10
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never never I think I had it on once when some IT person put it on like Mac
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at work and then I think we all disabled it and went back to not and in fact
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right now the truth is that the stuff that's most threatening to you is going
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to be stuff that's that's zero day essentially it's not going to be in
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there so it you know in the virus definitions database and all of that so
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I don't know I I don't think I don't think it's necessary right now just do
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the you know don't run flash unless you have to keep gatekeeper turned on so you
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know buy your stuff from the buy your stuff from the Mac App Store or have it
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be stuff that's signed by known developers and stay out of the dark and
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scary parts of the internet and you'll probably be fine.
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My feeling would be if you think it's currently necessary to run antivirus software on OS
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10 it will always be.
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That's my feeling.
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James asks what product or technology do you think will be Apple's growth engine over the
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medium and longer term?
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I would say medium iPhone, longer term Apple phone.
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The next generation iPhone.
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the iPhone will, I think for as long as we can see into the future, a small handheld
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computer will continue to be Apple's big product.
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And if you're looking for growth beyond, or a replacement for growth as the iPhone growth
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eventually slows, I'm not sure that's a product that's even been envisioned yet. I mean, I
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guess if Apple gets into cars and that becomes a successful thing, that would be another
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growth area for them, but nothing is going to grow, I think, like the smartphone market
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in the next maybe even 30 years, because this is the moment where these computers are in
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everybody's pockets all over the world. It's going to be hard to top that in a rapid expansion,
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which I'm not saying it won't happen. I think it's a lot less likely to happen. This is
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a very special thing, and I think people make a mistake if they think that it's repeatable
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on a regular basis, something like the smartphone market.
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It's a very special moment in, I'd say, human history
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when this product has come to pass at a time
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where it can spread as it has spread.
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So, you know, I do think we will reach a point
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where there are lots of doom and gloom stories about Apple,
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even more than now, talking about slowing iPhone growth,
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just because the smartphone market's going to slow.
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At some point, it's just going to have to.
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There won't be new people to find who want smartphones.
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Although, since Apple focuses on the higher end of the market,
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you do have this possibility that in markets that have lower
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standards of living, there will be an initial flood of Android
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And then Apple will sort of feed the second generation
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or the third generation of sales in those markets
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as people in their middle class and upper classes
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decide that they want to pay the premium for a more
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expensive and better quality phone,
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like an iPhone that was previously maybe not what people were buying because they were
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buying these cheaper phones that were being sent to that market initially. I don't know.
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But yeah, yeah, that's going to happen though. There will be that moment where it's like,
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Oh God, the iPhone growth is slowing and it will still be an enormous business for Apple.
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Enormous. But if you're looking at it from an investment standpoint, people will freak
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out because investment is all about growth. And I think that is, as Tim Cook has a fiduciary
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responsibility as the CEO of Apple. I think that's why we see them investigating things
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like cars, is why not? They've got the cash now and they know that they're going to need
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new markets. So maybe, you know, you put some money in cars and see if a bet on cars pays
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off because that would be another growth area. It might not ever be as big as their smartphone
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business, but it would be a growth area and growth is what investors like to see.
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I don't see the watch ever being that...
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No, no I mean...
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I think it's fundamentally not what people will want like for as long as we have the
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internet people want a screen to see it at you know.
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Yeah not at the volumes that are required for it to be a huge growth engine I mean it's
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a nice addition to the to the portfolio but it's not it's not gonna be and never was going
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to be like the next iPhone.
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I just don't think that's going to happen.
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- Justin asks, "Will a model of the new Apple TV
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include Apple functionality?
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Like for example, maybe it would be a wifi router
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or a time machine."
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I think it's not a bad idea, you know,
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the one device to rule them all,
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but I think at a certain point you end up having
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to put too much stuff in it.
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- Yeah, I think I would love to see a product that does that,
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but it seems like they won't do that.
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One of the topics we were going to talk about
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and we didn't this week, we'll have to push it off
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and talk about it someday, is our home networks.
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And I've got a cable modem and I've got a router
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that I'm using just to route traffic.
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And then I've got a separate,
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one of those flat airport extremes
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that's just doing the wifi.
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That should probably be one box.
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And for various reasons, it's not.
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But when I look at this question, I think,
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wouldn't it be great if we had something
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that was a multitasker like that?
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But I think it's unlikely
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because it's gonna make it bigger,
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it's gonna make it more complicated.
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And Apple wants this thing to be small
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and cheap, as cheap as they can make it.
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And that's probably too much, but it would be nice.
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It would certainly be nice if it knew
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that you had an airport on your network
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and offered to extend the base station,
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even if it didn't do all the routing,
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if it was just an extender kind of thing.
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That would be nice.
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It would also be nice if it,
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like the current Apple TV,
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You know it should hook into your stereo or a speaker or something so it's also a driver for
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Like Apple music playback and their airplay stuff, which I imagine it will
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Okay, and then we have
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Next up from finally actually from Kevin Kevin says have you seen my car keys I have Kevin
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They're in the last place that you're gonna look yep, and that wraps up. I was gonna create this week
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- We ended strong, finished strong.
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- I know, so next time me and you record,
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we'll be in person, so I'll look forward to that.
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And I look forward to listening to the show
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and hearing your opinions of what happens
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at the Apple event.
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- Yeah, you'll get settled in Portland
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and then you'll be able to download
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that new episode of Upgrade and hear all about
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what Steven and I think of the new stuff.
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Maybe Dan too, we might have Dan.
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- Yeah. - He'll be around.
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Maybe we'll pop Dan in on that one too.
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Why don't you try and get Dan to scare the bejesus out of Steven?
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Oh that's nice, pull a Puerto Rico you mean?
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Yeah, that would be fun.
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So, thank you so much for tuning in to this week's episode.
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If you'd like to find our show notes you know where to go, relay.fm/upgrade/52.
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If you want to find Jason online he's over at sixcolors.com and he's @jsnell on Twitter,
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What is the account that people will want to follow next week Jason for the live tweeting?
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Today we'll want to follow Six Colors Event on Twitter.
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It'll also be linked to from the SixColors.com homepage.
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But that's our special live event Twitter account.
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So Six Colors Event and you can get all of our great live coverage.
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Of course you'll find a link to that in our lovely show notes.
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If you want to find me on Twitter, I am @imike.
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I am Y-K-E. I'll be back in a couple of weeks and the show will be back next week.
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Thank you so much for listening.
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Thanks again to our sponsors this week, the lovely people over at Hover, Fracture and
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Until then, say goodbye Jason Snow.
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I'll see you soon Myke.
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