55: Your Watch is Full
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from relay FM this is upgrade episode 55 today's show is brought to you by smile
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go to meeting and fan duel my name is Myke Hurley and I am joined by Mr Jason Snell
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hi Myke welcome home oh thank you so much yes I am I am back in jolly old England now
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When last I saw you, of course, we were in Portland, Oregon, and we recorded episode 54
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across a table from one another, and now you're, you know, a week plus later and
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you're back, you're back home and dealing with jet lag presumably, but that happens.
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Yeah, I am very jet lagged. Today I am feeling a lot better than I have previous days,
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but it has been an interesting couple of days, to say the least, as jet lag always is for me.
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Always the third night is the one that is the worst and it was and I was awake until 6 a.m
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That is how these things tend to go for me. I think you're right. I think I think that happens you get you get adapted
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where you're going to sleep at the right time and then something happens and
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Your body like rebels and tries to say no. No, wait. Wait, what about that other time zone and
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Yeah, go trips to Portland are much easier for me than they are for you is what I'm saying. Yeah, I can imagine
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Well, I mean, I think your trip to Portland took longer than my trip to Portland though
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Well, I mean it depends on how you count are we are we talking about me leaving my laptop at home again?
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Yes, I got to I got to come home and sleep in my own bed. I mean that was actually pretty nice
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I just didn't take the trip that day
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That was a cute
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About the time I suppose an extra day. I suppose but the jet lag was just brutal with the I
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I could have driven it in less time, but I decided to stay home and not do that.
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There's a lot going on, Myke, this week. Lots, lots. We're in the crazy time.
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I got a piece of feedback about Clockwise last week that was like, "Why do you talk about Apple so much?"
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It's like, well, one, we're kind of Apple-focused people, and two, right now everything that is happening.
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It's just like Apple wall-to-wall insanity.
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So, which is great.
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That is just the news in tech right now, is Apple news, for good or bad.
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- They're killing it. I mean, this is when all of this stuff happens. And I don't know. I mean,
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the XOXO thing was an extra complication in this, but like since... Yeah, I mean, I've been working
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day and night and weekends and for, you know, whatever the last couple of weeks and probably
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for the next couple of weeks too, because it is that busy. It is totally crazy time for all the
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Apple stuff that's going on, which is great. I mean, it gives us lots of things to talk about.
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So we're not spending August talking about what kind of colors we'd like, and what tree
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we would be, and things like that that we probably would, because that's August for
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Yeah, this is August, September, October, like the end of August, and then September
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into October is all Apple time, which is good because we have an Apple-focused show, so
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it gives us some stuff to talk about.
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Although we're going to be going all the way up until November with the iPad Pro, so...
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- I know, yeah, no, this is extending way out there too.
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- Yep, I am very happy.
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- At some point, not this episode, but at some point
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I wanna talk about Amazon a little bit
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'cause there's some fascinating,
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there's six-pack of tablets. - Why don't we just start
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with that before, let's eschew our format
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and just tell me. - I'm not prepared.
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I'm not prepared to talk about it.
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I need to do more, 'cause I've been writing so much
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about iOS 9 that I need to do some more reading on that
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before I wanna talk about Amazon.
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But Amazon, you know, did a crazy product release thing
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and a six pack of tablets and they've got a new,
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well they've got a new Fire TV and yeah,
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there's, I mean, it's,
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there's some interesting stuff going on there,
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but we'll talk about them, I think maybe next week.
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- The six pack thing is fascinating to me though.
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- I love Amazon.
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- It's a low price,
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they've announced a bunch of different Fire tablets,
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But this one is a lower priced tablet.
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They announced some ones that had like a better specs
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and color backs and they're like a few hundred dollars
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whatever but they announced a low price $50 tablet with lower specs and you can
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buy it in a six-pack.
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Oh that's just hilarious.
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But it's you buy five and you get one free and it comes in a six-pack.
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But you think about it $50 each that's a stocking stuffer like you could
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walk into Christmas with a six-pack of tablets and hand them out to all of your
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cousins like that is a genius move this is whoever came up with this and was
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able to pull this off they should get a raise because there is no doubt that
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this these things aren't gonna sell well like that I mean whether they'll make
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any money on it I mean they'll probably make money on the services right which
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is why they're doing it I'm sure this is sold as close to cost as possible but I
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just think that's a very very smart smart move six-packer tablets and even
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comes in like a little six-pack holder thing made out of cardboard.
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And then every tablet is like in an envelope basically.
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It is the commodification of tablets.
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I mean this is like Apple's trying to say tablets have value, tablets can do a lot of
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things and Amazon is saying, "Hey tablets are cheap and you can watch videos on them
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and play games and here they are."
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And I think both of those approaches are valid.
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It's interesting because you've got Apple and Amazon both at either end now.
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is basically saying the tablet is a dumb screen to display our content and to
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allow you to shop in our stores and yeah Apple is saying the tablet can be a
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device for a professional and it can replace a computer and it seemed like
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with the iPad Pro right they're pushing right far basically Apple have pushed as
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far as you can go in one direction and Amazon have pushed as far as you can go
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in the other and I think that's fascinating yeah and then they are the
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new Fire TV, they've got a 4K model now for people who've got 4K TVs, which I have. I
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don't know if I'm tempted to get this or not, but it's an interesting idea. And support
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for a higher efficiency codec so that standard HD takes less bandwidth to download, which
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is interesting. And then they also got the Alexa functionality in there. So you can do
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your Amazon equivalent of Siri using the Fire TV to ask it questions and have it do things.
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So interesting.
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Yeah, Amazon.
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>> Unfortunately, Dan Morin is not currently in the chat room, otherwise I would have added
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Marshmallows to his shopping list.
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>> Yeah, I know.
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>> He's not there.
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I'll get you next time, Morin.
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>> I'm fascinated by the crazy stuff that Amazon does, so we should come back to that
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at some point.
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But yeah, so it's not just Apple making announcements, because everybody's gearing up for the holiday
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This is a huge, you know, it's not for people out there who are grumpy and don't like holidays
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and think this is stupid, whether it's because they don't, you know, they think that it's
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overhyped or whether they think it's the commercialization of the holidays. The fact is that so many
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of these companies succeed or fail based on how they do in the holiday season. And if
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you look at Apple's numbers, Apple is an incredibly seasonal company. They make a lot of money
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every quarter, but the fourth quarter is by far the largest. And so, you know, this is
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the time when all of these companies are dropping new products or putting together deals or
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in the case of Apple adding colors and bands to the Apple Watch, that's all to get people,
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you know, that's to prepare for the onslaught of the fourth quarter, which is starting in,
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you know, a week and a half. We're already there.
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>> Should we do some follow-up and out? >> Yeah, I think that's a great idea.
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>> So we both have podcast projects. >> We do.
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>> We would like to point people to-- >> Long gestating and coming to fruition this
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week. Indeed. So the one that I am working on is a project with Dan and Tom of
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Studio Neat who are the makers of the Glyph and the Cosmonaut and the Neat
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Ice Kit. They've just announced today a new Kickstarter project called OB which
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is a smart laser toy for pets. It's quite fascinating. I'll put a link in the show
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notes to the Kickstarter page and Dan and Tom have been working with me for
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about six months and they have been recording all of the conversations that
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they've been having during this time while they've been developing the
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product and designing the product and I have been talking with them too over
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this time and we've been planning a new podcast series which is basically going
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to be going through the development and design and manufacture of a Kickstarter
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project and what it takes to do that. So you can find the first episode available
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now which is talking about kind of where the idea for the product came from a
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little bit and introducing kind of the show and its concept and then I have
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been talking to them a lot today because obviously they launched their project
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today and we've been recording a bunch and we're talking to them even throughout the
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evening and late late into the night to kind of gauge their opinions and to so you can
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as a listener get an idea as to how it feels to when you launch a product on Kickstarter
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after all this work and already it's been a high emotion throughout the day so you can
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tune in now and you'll get that episode next week so yeah it's called Thoroughly Considered
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is the podcast, and I hope that you'll enjoy it. It's at relay.fm/tc.
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If you've got that enjoyed, my Behind the App series, I think you're gonna like this.
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I think it's interesting too from a, not to get too insider-y, but as we all talk about
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ad blockers and things like that, which has happened over the last week, and where commercialism
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falls, where money transactions happen and how they relate to content, how they relate
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to things that you read and that you listen to and all of that, that they're really considered
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is an interesting kind of integrated thing where it is the story. It's an interesting
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story about how Studio Neat does what it does and their entire creative process. And so
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people who are interested in creativity and making products will find it a really interesting
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thing to listen to. At the same time, you know, they have a Kickstarter and it can,
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you could view it as ancillary material to the Kickstarter and as a, as a, another venue
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to promote Studio Neat and to promote this product. And that all kind of like works together
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and you know, this is different from what we think of, is it advertising, is it editorial,
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what is it? And the answer is it's something different and I think that's cool, I think
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it's a cool experiment.
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Yeah, it kind of is interesting because it sits in the middle, I think. So it's a project
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that we've been working on, they're not paying me to do this, this isn't an advertisement
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that they've paid for. We have direct support that we're doing for this show
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which we've not done for any show. So on the Kickstarter page that you can
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support the podcast. There's a $25 limit and a $5 limit and they will go to help
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support the podcast which will allow us to do things like you know we want to
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maybe we'll go traveling with the guys at certain points to record some of
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their conversation to manufacturers and stuff. It's a very different type of
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a show and I think that it's something worth checking out because I'm hoping that we're
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doing something a little bit different with it that people might enjoy but it is interesting
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because it does fit in a very interesting space that for us we haven't got anything
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else that occupies.
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Right, no it's very interesting.
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I'm looking forward to seeing how it goes.
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It's a cool idea.
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What have you been working on?
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Oh, well, other than the iOS 9 and watchOS and El Capitan and, you know, preparing for
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the new iPhones and all that stuff, other than that, in the background, I'm working
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on the incomparable radio theater, which is going to drop the episode one this week. And
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that's going to be a, I believe, 12 week run of original radio drama slash comedy. It's
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really meant to be funny it's not just we call it radio drama but it's you know it's
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not it's somewhat dramatic and also somewhat comedic and that's been a project that has
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been going on I don't even know how you you start measuring it we started recording in
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like March so it's been a huge project and and this started with if people don't know
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know, we did a couple episodes. In fact, I talked to you after one of them. We did a
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couple episodes of The Incomparable that were completely off format and it was an old time
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radio drama sort of thing and sort of parodying current pop culture stuff as well as like
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old time classic radio from before the television age. And because it's podcast, it's audio,
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you could do that sort of thing. And we did one for April Fool's Day a few years ago and
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then we did another one at Christmas of I want to say 2013 and and so we've been planning
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since actually since last year because we did a little promo on Christmas Day of 2014
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saying that in 2015 we do a season of the radio theater so this has been going on for
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almost a year now that we've been talking about this and recording and editing and David
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Lohr has been writing these scripts and you know I've been collecting audio from various
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people for cameos and we've been doing recording sessions and all of this and so many sound
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effects I have to build all these crazy soundscapes but yeah so so later this week episode one
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of the season will be available and people can subscribe now if you go to the incomparable.com/radio
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there are some episodes already there that are sort of season zero there's we basically
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took the two incomparable episodes that we did and chopped them up into almost like proof
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of concept like this is what a season would sound like and that's season zero and then
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there's a live show that we did at the Layers conference that Jesse Char put on next to
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WWDC so that's in there but you can subscribe to that and then the episodes will start dropping
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in beginning in the next day or two.
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I'm so excited for this I absolutely fell in love with the first one and then
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you've done two of them right on the Uncomfortable. They're both in there.
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I remember I think it's the only podcast that I've ever listened to twice back to
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back. When the first one dropped I was just I'd never heard anything like it
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and I hope that people go and check out what's currently in the feed because
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it's all great stuff and I'm very very excited for the first episode to drop later this week.
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I'm glad. Yeah if people haven't heard that stuff before then there's a lot of material,
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all that stuff that's in the feed now is that stuff. That's our complete output basically
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up to now is the stuff that was in the feed. I didn't want to make people kind of chase
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it down later so we put those in there. So primer.
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Yeah exactly and then from here, you know, I think the plan is to do, like I said things
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could change because it's not like every single episode is locked and done. It's not like
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Netflix where we can drop them all at once but the plan is to release them weekly through
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sometime in December so I think I think 12 episodes there may be a we may break for Thanksgiving
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week but yeah so it's gonna in the end it will probably be about four hours of original
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audio you know fiction so it's a lot so I hope people like it.
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Oh, let's talk about the Six Colors redesign.
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I think, yeah, speaking of things that I was doing this last week, in addition, because
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I stupidly decided to have my long-term radio project and also the redesign of my website
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drop in September as well, on top of all the Apple stuff.
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No, it's the best time, it's the best time.
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It's when people are paying attention, and for the radio drama I really wanted to be
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out in 2015. I didn't want to delay it until--you could delay it forever, so we're going to
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do it and get it out before the end of the year. And for Six Colors, it was a year on.
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I mean, I was--before I even launched the site, I was thinking about how I would hire
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a designer to actually give it a design, because the site design was by me, and it was sort
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of aggressively not designed. It was as generic as I could possibly make it. And since the
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spring I've been talking to Krista Murgen about designing it and she designed it over
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the summer. And I wanted it to go up on the one year anniversary of Six Colors, which
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was September 16th. And so that's what I did. On the 16th, as the OS 9 update was rolling
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out, I pressed the button and pushed out the new version of the site, which is -- and then
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spent the next -- Krista and I spent the next like four days debugging the CSS, because
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there were little quirks here and there.
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Some of which were because of how I implemented it
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in my CMS, 'cause I did that part on the 15th and the 16th
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and then some of it was just weird edge cases
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that we hadn't really planned for.
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So, but we did it.
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So it's up and it's got some interesting features
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like a hypnotic nav bar that I know that you like.
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- I love that, thanks so much.
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With all my heart, love that nav bar.
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Because the first time where you look at it and you look away for a few minutes, you look
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back and say, "Oh, the color's changed."
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And you just look at it for a moment and you're like, "Are my eyes going weird?"
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And then you realize that there is this beautiful transition between all of the six colors.
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All the colors.
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And it makes me very, very happy.
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Yeah, yeah, that was something Krista invented.
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I didn't even ask, and it's great.
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And so, yeah, if you don't pay attention, what you'll notice is that the nav bar is
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different colors.
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And if you pay attention, you'll notice that very slowly it is cycling between the colors
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as you watch.
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So you can just stare at it if you really want to.
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So that was a really nice thing that she did.
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And you know, the nav bar changes and the fonts and stuff change because it's a responsive
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The old one was too, but this one's a little, does I think a little better job of adjusting
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to phones and tablet sizes as well as desktop sizes.
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And the other big thing that I wanted to do is that we post so many different things on
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Six Colors. So I post posts, right, and Dan Morin posts these posts that are just, we
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wrote a story and here it is. So that's pretty straightforward. But then we also have links
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that are offsite links, and that's a different sort of beast where you're basically pointing
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at something somewhere else and saying, "Hey, this is interesting. You should read it."
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Or, "This is interesting, and here's what I think of it." But it's primarily a link.
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The link is the currency there more than what we've written. And so I wanted those to be
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differentiated and they were somewhat differentiated
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in the old design, but it was pretty limited.
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And I wanted that to be a lot clearer.
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And then on top of that, we had some other post types
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that were not represented by different design styles.
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So like when I thank the sponsor,
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I wanted that to be marked as this is the sponsor,
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this is the sponsor.
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When I'm linking to my own work
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or Dan's linking to his own work somewhere else,
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I felt like that was different.
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That was more like, hey, you came here to read us
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and here's a thing you can go read elsewhere
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that's still us.
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So I wanted that to be a little different
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than some offsite link.
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- That has my favorite of the iconography.
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It has the shuffle logo.
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- It's got the little shuffle logo
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and it's an orange, right?
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And then there's a podcast one for when I post podcasts,
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which I did create a rudimentary one of those
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on the old site a few months ago,
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but now there's a podcast style too.
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So when you look at six colors,
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if it's a link to a podcast or an offsite link,
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you can tell immediately that that's what it is.
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and I think I like it better having the differentiations between the different types of content so it's
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clearer about what you're seeing. I like it a lot. And Krista redid the logo type as well
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because I just did that in Helvetica. You know, again, let's get a designer in to look
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at this. Yeah, it's excellent throughout. I'm happy that it was done. I didn't have
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any problems with the way six colors looked before but now I'm looking at it now I'm very
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happy that you made these changes and Krista did a fantastic job really really did.
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Yeah she did a great job and some credit to Jay at the Cotton Bureau the story there being
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that we also have this 6C logo that appears in some places that is like a 6 and a C kind
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superimposed with the Apple style rainbow on it. And six colors as a word
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mark just is really wide and like is there something that fits in like a
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social media icon and all that and that that directly quotes the Apple logo
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because the C has the shape that's very much like the bite out of the Apple and
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the six has the top that's very much like the leaf at the top of the Apple so
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So it's a nice kind of reference to Apple, but also six colors, 6C.
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Jay at the Cotton Bureau and I were talking about doing a six colors t-shirt, which is
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very hard because doing a t-shirt with screen printing in six different colors is really
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So we were talking about other ways to do it, and at one point he said, "I don't normally
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do this, but I had this idea for a logo and it was the 6C."
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And at the time I was like, "I don't really want to make a t-shirt with a logo nobody's
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And say, "Hey, everybody buy this t-shirt with a logo that you've never seen because
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seems wrong to me. So we just agreed to put it aside and because of the expense and the
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issues with getting a do you get a six colored t-shirt or do you get a t-shirt with a one
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colored logo that's available in six colors what are you what are your options there we
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decided to table it for a while but when I was working on the design with Krista I said
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hey actually there's this thing that the Cotton Bureau did that you should check out and then
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so she took that and then redrew it and that is also on the site and in the Twitter icon
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and all of that is this rainbow 6C.
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So that was a fun little design bonus that you see next to the full posts.
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That's the logo.
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There's a link next to the links and the shuffle icon and the podcast icon and then there's
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I like it all.
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That's very nice.
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Should we take a break?
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Look at that.
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How about that?
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One year ago.
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I actually remember now sending a message to Greg and I said to him, I think I said
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to him something along the lines of "I can't tell you what this is"
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Well, it was a secret, right? Because we had a, we hadn't announced that it was happening
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and we hadn't announced the episode because the episode was going to drop when the iPhone
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embargo dropped. Yep. But I said to him, "You will want this."
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And he was like, I hope that he trusted me enough to do it. And that was why he did it.
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I assume he did, otherwise why would he have done it? But I don't want to assume trust.
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But yeah, we love Smile, they're absolutely fantastic.
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They've just been great.
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They've actually been really great for us since the beginning.
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They helped us out a lot when we were starting out.
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Yeah, go support them.
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So I want to talk about iOS 9, watchOS 2 a little bit.
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iOS 9 is now out officially as is watchOS 2, we'll get to that in a bit.
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Before we do that Jason, I would like to just grumble a bit about some of my current iPhone
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woes that I'm having.
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Partly to just get it off my chest and partly because I want to see if there's anybody that
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can help with the problems that I'm having.
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Oh that's fun, just looking at it now.
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I picked up my iPhone, downloaded the watchOS 2 update and now the download has to start
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all over again for a reason that I can't quite understand.
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This has been a fun one for Apple I think so that will start again.
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These are my current iPhone woes.
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My iCloud backup is not working, it just fails every single time.
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I was on the beta, it didn't work during the beta period, I have upgraded to the GM and
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I cannot get it to update.
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Nothing seems to be working, I have deleted all the previous backups from iCloud, so there
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are no previous backups on my phone, but it just keeps failing.
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There seems to be nothing I can do.
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I've had it in a charging dock for like four hours
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with the auto lock turned off
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in the hopes that it would help it,
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but it just hangs and then eventually fails.
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So no iCloud backup for me, which is great.
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Personal hotspot is not working from my iPad to my iPhone.
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So like I'm trying to tether on my iPad
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to tether the connection from my phone.
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- Are you running the release version of iOS 9?
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- On both, yeah, both from the GM.
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- And personal hotspot doesn't work anymore,
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which is awesome.
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And I'm also having a bunch of iCloud syncing issues
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with some applications, they're just not syncing.
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- I sense some sarcasm when you keep saying
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things are awesome.
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I think they're not actually awesome, Myke.
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I think you're upset.
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- I am a little upset.
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I expect that a lot of this stuff is related
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to having run the beta, but it's not working.
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And I'm currently in the mode, I'm not kidding,
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where I'm thinking to myself,
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I hope my new phone will fix this.
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Like, the only way I feel like I can fix this
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is by getting a brand new iPhone,
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which I was doing anyway,
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but it's like I just don't know what to do.
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I could burn it all down and start again,
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but I really don't wanna do that.
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So this is my current thinking.
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I have just over a week.
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Or is it, no, is it just five days, right,
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or something like that?
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Yeah, five days I have.
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until I get my new iPhone. I can live with this I'm just backing up my phone
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to iTunes on my Mac so that's fine. The tethering stuff again I'm not
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planning any trips so I'm at home or I'm at an office or somewhere that has Wi-Fi
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so I don't need it necessarily for my iPad so I'm thinking maybe getting a new
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phone will fix this. Now I am planning to run my 6 plus S 6s plus 6 plus s what is
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it 6s plus? 6s plus I'm planning to run that from a backup of my previous iPhone
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which I'll be doing on my Mac and I'm hoping that the new phone will fix it I
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don't know why it would but I also don't know why it's broken if it doesn't fix
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it and there's no other option then I will have to restore and just start all
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over again but I really don't want to do that I feel like I've been here before
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I really don't want to do that. I like to just go from backup to backup because
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setting up a new phone from scratch is a pain and I would prefer not to. So
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that's kind of where I am right now. It's frustrating. It's a myriad of
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frustrations that I have and they all seem to be centered around iCloud. So
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maybe I could try stuff like completely signing out of iCloud on my phone but
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that really is a thing you should avoid. We'll see but that's where I am. My main
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issues right now seem to all be around iCloud stuff, personal hotspot thing.
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Yeah, my gut feeling is that that signing out of iCloud everywhere and
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signing back in would be the first thing to try. Yeah. You know, because there
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may be something very strange going on there. I've had that happen where it
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seems like I'm signed in and I can do things and I can't do other things. They
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fail inexplicably and it's like parts of the phone have signed out of iCloud and
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other parts have not, or Apple thinks parts of it are signed in and other parts aren't,
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and it gets in this weird half-in, half-out state where the best thing to do is to just
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sign out and then sign back in, and it goes, "Oh, welcome back," right? It's like, "Now
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it's all synced up again." So that might be—because even the personal hotspot thing, I think the
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granting permission for the personal hotspot may be based on that it's a known device that's
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logged in with your Apple ID. Yeah. So they may all be related to not being in
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the in like a synced up state. Also if you're running the GM you should update
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to the final just because I don't know if it's the same build or not but I was
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able to update my devices. Oh I did I said when I said GM I meant the final I'm on the final.
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You're on the final final okay. I got them both via OTA so after
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putting the GM on them. Before you burn it all to the ground consider logging
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out of your Apple ID and just logging back in everywhere and see you know on
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those even if it's just on your phone and your iPad and see if that solves it
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because that might be it yeah the iPad is majorly fine it's just the
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hotspot thing which I still think is something with the phone I think it's
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the phone I think it's the phone's fault so that's the iPad is up is doing an
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iCloud backup correctly yeah okay it's your phone's fault yeah there's
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something going on with my phone. Myke's phone was wrong.
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Myke's phone was wrong. I was still right about my decision. I recommend that you get rid of that phone and replace it.
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Good idea! I'll get right on that. This week, if possible. By the end of the week I want that phone dead.
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I'm currently getting an error here whilst trying to download watchOS 2.
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another one cannot download there is not enough available storage download train
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line which is an app you can free up storage by deleting apps or by changing
00:32:07
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storage settings for photos and music in the Apple watch app oh you filled up
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your Apple watch I think it's downloaded the update twice to it this is this is
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going great this is just a absolute genius thing everywhere I'm really happy
00:32:23
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that this is happening. Let's talk about the fact that Apple can't do software updates anymore.
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We're in the second hour of "Myke gets frustrated with technology."
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Apple are really struggling with software updates, aren't they? This is the second year
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in a row where something catastrophic has happened. This time around it was...
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WatchOS 2 got pulled at the very last minute. Yes, because there was, and I know
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know this I heard I've heard through the through my sources I've heard through
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the same sources that may be in the chat room right now for all I know that there
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was a bug found where there were watch OS 2 apps that were failing to launch
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and the the logs suggested that there was a fair play problem a DRM problem
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that was related to I think encryption and that got passed back by the
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developers to Apple and Apple went oh no and watch OS 2 didn't come out for
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almost a week because they had to fix that. So they seem to have fixed it now.
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But you know I think Apple is trying to be better at this. I think one of the
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great things about iOS 9 is that the update sizes are so much smaller that
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the space requirements for these updates are a lot less than it was. They
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obviously are putting some effort into trying to make this all more efficient.
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But it's hard on these, especially on these devices where they're trying to
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make it seem magical and not, you know, not complicated.
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It's just, oh, we'll just update, just attach it
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and it'll all be fine.
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But it's hard.
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And I mean, I have a hard time criticizing Apple
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for delaying the release of watchOS 2
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because they found a bug.
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I think it's great that they did that
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because the alternative would have been to release it
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on their self-imposed deadline
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and have a bug that was a terrible bug.
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It is unfortunate that that bug was only found
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at the last moment, kind of by accident.
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That is true. - That's the criticism.
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Like you look at iOS 8 and HealthKit, right?
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It was the same thing there.
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- Right, and it shipped and it was broken.
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- Yep, so then they had to pull apps.
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So you end up in the same situation again with,
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like I've had, I've been getting errors
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all over the place this week
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because I have a couple of apps that slip through
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with watchOS 2 updates to them.
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- Yeah, okay.
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And you know I have blank spaces on my watch right now and it's the same with healthcare
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Some healthcare apps got through and it was, everything was broken and some just got held
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So I'm sure there are some developers right now who would have had their iOS 9 update
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out already but they've had to wait.
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I think the Omni Group might be part of that.
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That some developers basically just have to wait because they have watchOS 2 stuff in
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Yeah Omni Group just tweeted that they now with watchOS 2 out they can release their
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because it was held back.
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But this app that triggered this got approved,
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that apparently triggered it,
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got approved even though it was carrying
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a watchOS 2 app with it.
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I don't know.
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Yeah, it's kind of a mess.
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Updating this many devices and doing auto updates,
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it is hard, but you're right.
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Apple is not running as efficiently
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and as smoothly as they should be.
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There's still a lot of,
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I think on the report card,
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we're going to say needs more attention, needs more effort.
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But they have come--I mean, I like that they're obviously trying to pay attention to this
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and trying to improve it, even if there are still hiccups, because the fact--like I mentioned,
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the iOS 9 update is--it requires so much less space, so you don't have these 16 gig iPhones
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that need 5 gigs of storage free in order to install, which is what it was with iOS
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That's just ridiculous.
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So that's better now.
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It's like 1.3 gigs or something free that you need.
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But the other thing they've done is they've done the deferred install.
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Have you seen that?
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That now it'll actually say, "Hey, I downloaded iOS 9.
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Would you like me to install it now, ask you later, or just do it overnight?"
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And if you've got your iPad or your iPhone plugged in overnight, you'll just wake up
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in the morning and it will have updated rather than having you -- you have to be there and
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then at that point you can't use your device.
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So you need to be present and then you were wandering around without that device because it's too busy updating
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So like those are good features. Those are both really nice features that show that somebody at Apple is is paying attention here
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it's just there are other places where this is
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Problematic still I mean it is it's it's not that it's not a hard job to do. It's just that
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There you know your frustrations suggest that there's a little more that can be done perhaps
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Well watch OS 2 just isn't installing now. Well Apple CDN is the thing that blows me away to their content delivery network downloaded
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Apparently I've downloaded it, but now we're just sitting here
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I've seen a lot of people who have had problems like long download weights and when when iOS 9 came out there were a lot
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of errors basically
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Like I can't reach the server because they seem to be swamped with requests and that one kind of baffles me
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The fact that Apple comm went down when the pre-orders were happening. It just went down for a while
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that's all that's all weird to me you'd think that they would have built for
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that peak capacity I know I understand building for peak capacity is hard
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because you very rarely hit the peak and you don't know where the peak is and 99
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percent of the time you're not at the peak so it doesn't matter but still it's
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it's it's still surprising let's talk about watch OS 2 let's do it so you've
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been using it for a bit you've been using the beta right?
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Couple months I finally decided I needed to start using it I put that off for a little
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while when they first did the betas because I thought once I do this my watch is gonna
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be potentially weird and buggy and but I needed to at some point I just said okay let's do
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it and it's actually been a pretty good experience there have been occasional quirks but I've
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had a good experience with it, especially the nightstand mode, I have to call that out,
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I think that's actually a great feature, the idea that when you attach the phone to a charger
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and you've got the nightstand mode setting turned on, I'm not sure if it's turned on
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by default or not, but it basically displays the time and what your next alarm is, rotate
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it 90 degrees, so you can basically lay your watch down on the side of it that has no buttons
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and read the time because it's rotated 90 degrees and use the the crown and the button on the top as a
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snooze and an off for the alarm in the morning and I actually unplugged my clock radio thing that I
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had by my bedside and replaced it with my Apple Watch and I've been using that for the last month
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and a half as my... Were you using the Apple Watch as an alarm before this? Oh no, no, no,
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- No, I was absolutely not using it as an alarm before.
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- Is it loud?
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I've never used it.
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- I wouldn't say it's loud.
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I'd say that it is a pleasant sound.
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If you're one of those people who needs a blaring alarm
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in order to wake up in the morning,
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maybe it won't work for you, but it works fine for me.
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And actually one of the features
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that I think is really clever,
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so it doesn't stay lit all night
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because that can be really annoying in a bedroom,
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but it is listening, it is feeling for any slight jostle.
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So even if I bump like the nightstand,
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trying to reach for the watch to tap it,
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or it'll come on and show me the time.
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And I don't need to tap the screen.
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Any kind of movement will light up the nightstand mode clock,
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which is kind of nice, but otherwise it's off.
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But in the morning, if you ever had that moment
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where you think your alarm is probably about to go off,
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but you're not sure what the time is.
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And so you look to see, you know, is it 6 45?
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No, it's 6 42, but it'll be going off in a minute.
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They did a clever thing, which I think it's about five,
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it's five or 10 minutes before the alarm goes off,
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the screen does come on.
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So it's like ready for you to look at it
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and check to see if it's about to go off,
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which I love that feature.
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I think that's a really clever feature
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that when it's close to going off,
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it will start to come on and show you what the time is.
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So I like that feature a lot.
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I suppose it's not for everybody.
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I've got the nightstand dock from Elevation,
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which works with this mode because you kind of dock it.
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It's a little silicone thing
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that you stick the little charger puck in,
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and then you can attach the watch to the front of it,
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and it sort of lays there in essentially
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the proper orientation for this.
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And so I've been using that,
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but you can also just lay it on its side on your,
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on your bedside stand and it'll work that way too.
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I like that feature.
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- I don't know how often if ever I wake up
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before my alarm goes off.
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And I am definitely one of those people
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that needs loud alarms.
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- Well, see what it does.
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Give it a try and see what it does for you.
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I never, I've never used my iPhone
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except when I'm traveling as an alarm clock.
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I'm not one of those people.
00:41:42
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certainly not the Apple Watch, but I have been using the Apple Watch in this context
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and it's nice. It's nice. And then I put it on and go about my day.
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Yeah, my iPhone is my only alarm clock. Interesting. Yeah, I had a little thing on
00:41:57
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my nightstand that I took off and now I don't have it there anymore and my nightstand is
00:42:01
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that much clearer. It's nice. And the little charger stays there, which is also good. I
00:42:07
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I mean there are a bunch of other things in watchOS too.
00:42:11
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So many of them are hard to talk about
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because they really require third-party apps
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that aren't out there yet.
00:42:17
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Like the new standalone apps should be really good
00:42:20
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and much more responsive than the kind of tethered weird apps
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that we have now.
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But I didn't really get to test any of them.
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- Oh, okay, huh.
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- And likewise, the third-party complications
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I have not been able to test
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but I'm really looking forward to those.
00:42:35
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I just haven't seen them.
00:42:36
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And there's some other stuff.
00:42:39
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There's new watch faces, these like photo watch faces,
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which are not really my bag, but for some people,
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they're gonna be very excited about those.
00:42:49
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But I think, yeah, I think the better third-party apps
00:42:54
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and the complications that come along with it
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are gonna be a huge thing.
00:42:59
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And we're just gonna have to see how that goes
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'cause we really need to see how well those apps perform
00:43:06
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when they're running on the watch and it's just,
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it's too early.
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As we are talking, there are probably apps going live
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on the store with updates that support this
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and then more will come over the next few weeks.
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And I think that'll make a big difference
00:43:18
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into the usability of the Apple Watch.
00:43:20
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'Cause the first generation Apple Watch apps are just,
00:43:23
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you know, they're just not all there
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and they didn't work very well.
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And I'd almost rather they hadn't been there at all.
00:43:29
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And I have high hopes that these new ones
00:43:32
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will be a lot better.
00:43:33
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And the complications thing,
00:43:35
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I really want to see custom complications
00:43:37
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'cause most of the complications Apple offers
00:43:39
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don't really interest me,
00:43:40
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but there are apps that I can imagine
00:43:42
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providing complication data
00:43:45
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that I would want to put on my watch face.
00:43:47
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So I'm really hoping to see some of that.
00:43:49
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I actually pinged Weather Underground today on Twitter
00:43:51
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and said, "Are you guys gonna update your Apple Watch app
00:43:54
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to do a complication with the weather
00:43:57
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from your weather stations?
00:43:58
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'Cause if they do that,
00:44:01
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I can actually have my weather stations temperature
00:44:03
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from my backyard on my watch at all times,
00:44:06
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which I think would be kind of awesome.
00:44:08
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And they replied and said,
00:44:10
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they're gonna make an announcement
00:44:11
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and it sounds like, yes, they are gonna do that.
00:44:13
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And Major League Baseball undoubtedly will have an update
00:44:15
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that I can put the like score the Giants game on my watch.
00:44:18
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And that stuff is really cool.
00:44:19
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And that stuff that Apple's never gonna do itself,
00:44:21
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that the third parties are gonna be able to rush in there
00:44:24
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and that should be great, but it's too early for that now.
00:44:28
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- Outside of changing my calendar complication
00:44:33
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to the fantastico complication if they make one
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rather than the standard one.
00:44:37
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I can't think of any custom complications that I want.
00:44:41
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It doesn't mean I wouldn't use them.
00:44:43
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Maybe I just haven't seen them yet,
00:44:45
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but like I just can't think of any that I want.
00:44:48
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- Well, I mean, so as a sports fan,
00:44:51
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I say something like being able to put the current score
00:44:54
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or when the next game is for my favorite baseball team
00:44:57
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on there, I would do that.
00:45:00
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Like I said, a better weather source,
00:45:03
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in my case, weather underground,
00:45:05
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that's something that I would consider
00:45:07
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'cause Apple weather,
00:45:08
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and part of this may be a watchOS one problem
00:45:12
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where the data doesn't get updated,
00:45:14
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but Apple's weather source isn't that accurate
00:45:16
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for where I live, so I don't use that.
00:45:18
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And there are others like a flight tracking app
00:45:20
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that could actually at a glance show you the status
00:45:23
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of your flight.
00:45:23
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- Yeah, maybe I could see myself changing them
00:45:27
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at certain periods of time.
00:45:29
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Like when I'm on holiday or whatever, when I'm away, I change my watch.
00:45:35
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So I usually have the activity rings on the top right, I have the New York time zone on
00:45:40
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the top left, and I have the... because I use the simple face I think.
00:45:48
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And I have my calendar on the bottom.
00:45:52
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But when I go away I have weather on the bottom and I change the time zone to London.
00:45:58
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it so I keep it quite quite sparse because the thing is like with the watch face that
00:46:03
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I want to use there isn't one you know there's only like three complications or whatever
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you can put on it.
00:46:08
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Well I'm using utility which similarly there there's one big space and then there are a
00:46:13
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couple little small spaces and most of the time right now I just have the date and the
00:46:17
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day and the date and then I have the activity rings up in the corner which are colored now
00:46:21
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which they weren't in watchOS 1.
00:46:22
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I don't know how I feel about that.
00:46:26
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I like it but I can understand that persnickety people might be persnickety about it.
00:46:30
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To put this into context I change, so I can't remember what the, I think it's utility, whatever
00:46:35
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the one is where you can change the color of the second hand only.
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That's the face that I use.
00:46:40
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Whatever one it is, simple utility I'm not sure.
00:46:42
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I changed the color of, because I have like five sport bands, I changed the color of my
00:46:47
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second hand to match the sport band.
00:46:52
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very specific is the word I'm looking for about the choices of the way that my
00:47:00
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watch looks and now there's gonna be a bunch of color in there which I'm not
00:47:05
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I'm not I'm not jazzed about that Jason I must say I've seen what it looks like
00:47:09
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and I'm I probably have to live with it for a bit but I don't like the colored
00:47:15
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activity rings I can see the utility of them because most of the time I can't
00:47:19
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work out which one's which, right? By looking at the the complication but I
00:47:23
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would still prefer to have it one color myself. That is something that I
00:47:28
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prefer over the the utility that you get out of it. Do you have anything else
00:47:35
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on watchOS 2? I might have more to say next week if I can ever get it to
00:47:39
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install. We're on attempt three now, Jason. Well they have these animated
00:47:44
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watch face that's actually a tie-in with the live photos thing
00:47:49
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that's going to be in on the iPhone 6s and 6s plus. So I'm looking forward to trying
00:47:54
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that out just as a as a thing but again you know I'm not sure photo watch faces are my
00:47:59
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bag but I understand you know everybody has their own options and it's nice to have more
00:48:05
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options I wish I wish watch OS 2 had more watch face functionality than it does the
00:48:15
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ability to move things around, have maybe more watch faces that are heavy with information
00:48:22
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like the modular face.
00:48:25
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I would use modular, but they need to fix—or, not say fix—they need to give me the ability
00:48:30
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to move where the clock is, because I think the clock should be in the middle.
00:48:34
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I—yeah, we're together on this, and that seems to be a limitation of how they've
00:48:39
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built the watch UI, the watch face UI, is that the clock goes where it goes.
00:48:45
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And I think the answer there would be make a variant of modular where the clock is in
00:48:50
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the center instead of sort of toward the top.
00:48:53
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But they didn't do that.
00:48:54
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So maybe sometime they'll do that.
00:48:57
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The time travel feature, which we haven't talked about, I mean this is a watchOS2 feature
00:49:01
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where you can roll the time forward or backward and see the data change.
00:49:07
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So for my baseball example, I might be able to roll the time back and see what last night's
00:49:13
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score was or something like that, or roll the weather forward and see a forecast for
00:49:18
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what it's going to be like later in the day.
00:49:21
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And Modular works really well with that because it's so information dense and you can have
00:49:24
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lots of data on there and you can see it all.
00:49:28
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And it'll be interesting to see again how that stuff gets adapted because on some of
00:49:32
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these watch faces, the time travel feature is kind of pointless and actually kind of
00:49:36
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gets in the way, you move the crown and you go, "Oh, no, no, no, I didn't want to do that."
00:49:42
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But on some of the information dense screens, it can actually be potentially very interesting.
00:49:46
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And again, it comes back to the third parties, I feel like, to support that timeline in a
00:49:51
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way that makes sense. But yeah, checking on what your next calendar event is, I think
00:49:55
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the prime example there is you roll forward until you see, you know, what's after this
00:49:59
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meeting and you can roll forward and see, "Oh, then this next meeting happens," or, "Then
00:50:03
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then I go to lunch or whatever.
00:50:05
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- Just had an idea that I may set up a second watch face
00:50:09
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with four different time zones on it
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- Yeah, your podcast watch face thing.
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I think that's a good watch tip in general
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is set up different, even of the same face if you want,
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set up different watch face settings
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and you can have them all accessible.
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and one when you're at home or one for the weekend
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or when you go on a vacation or something like that
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and that's, you can do that all with the Apple Watch,
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which is nice.
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- iOS 9, I don't have a ton more to say about iOS 9
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than I have already, other than the fact
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just to comment on apps on the iPad, I think.
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'Cause that's the thing, 'cause apps on the iPhone,
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not major additions really, I mean,
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the kind of the universal search thing is interesting,
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I can see that being useful if I remember to do it.
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you know, like searching within apps and stuff like that,
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you know, it could be good.
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I have found that I am very much enjoying
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split screen on the iPad.
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My only thing about it now is I am desperate
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for a few of the apps that I use frequently to be updated.
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- Yeah, this was my whole summer, right, was,
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oh, this could be so great if it wasn't only the Apple apps
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that use these features.
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- See I felt that way when beta testing it as well,
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but it didn't feel, I didn't feel as desperate
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than when I have some apps, right?
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When it was none, it was like okay there's none,
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but now there's some, it's like it makes it worse,
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for the ones that you want aren't there.
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So like for me, I need Google to update their stuff,
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like all the Drive apps, and I really need Mailbox
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to update, and I mean Tweetbot is just like whatever,
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like that, you know, you're not even gonna get into that right now.
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>>Twittorific works great in split screen and-- >>I've been using it in split screen,
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but Twittorific has other fundamental problems.
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>>We won't get into this now, this is a conversation for another day.
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>>It says to you, Myke was wrong.
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Everybody loves Tweetbot, I'm just, I just, it doesn't work for me.
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I don't, don't write, don't write me.
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I'm aware of everything about Tweetbot, I just, it doesn't work for me.
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That's not, it's about me.
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It's not it, it's not Tweetbot, it's me.
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That's what I'm saying.
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It's good to know, Jason, that there is still not enough available storage to download Trainline
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on my watch.
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What is going on here?
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What is Trainline?
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Turn off Trainline.
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It's an app.
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It's already turned off because it's a watchOS2 app.
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But I'm just getting...
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It's "cannot download" box just pop up and then the watchOS2 thing won't install.
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Maybe I'll try turning the watch off.
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I feel like I just filled it up with attempts to update now.
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the story is just full up with just updated temps.
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Your watch is full.
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Oh I'm just angry today.
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I can tell you're very frustrated.
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Yeah Apple are really upsetting me.
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So I love the split view with the side by side apps on the iPad Air 2.
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I do very much.
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It's very nice.
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I think Slide Over, although it felt in the demo when it was announced that this was like
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the sort of sad feature for the iPads that couldn't do the full-on side-by-side, but
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I think SlideOver maybe is better than Split View in a lot of cases because the question
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is how often are you using two apps, and I wrote about this in six colors, we'll put
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a link in the show notes, I wrote like 3500 words just about, I didn't write 40,000 words
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like Federico, but I did write several thousand words about various features that I cared
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about including the iPad productivity stuff. Split view you really need to be, I feel like,
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committed to using two apps simultaneously. Like, it's because they're both narrow, they
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both get squished when they're both on screen at the same time. So you really need to be
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like I'm doing something that requires both of these apps to be here. And there are use
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cases when that's true. But I feel like there are maybe just as many or more use cases where
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what you really want is the app that you're using and then momentarily you want to use
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another app and then you want to go back to the first app. And that's not the same as
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feeding, you know, switching back and forth and back and forth between two apps. And SlideOver
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is really good for that. So you're, you know, you're writing something and then you slide
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out Twitterific or you slide out Slack and you see what's going on and then you slide
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it away and then you keep working as opposed to like I'm writing a Microsoft Word over
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here while I see Slack over here or for me the cocktail of productivity murder which
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is half my screen is Twitter and half of it is Slack and I will never get anything done
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at that point I will fall into a bottomless pit of time wasting as I read Twitter and
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and I talk on Slack.
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But so anyway, I think SlideOver
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should not be disparaged.
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I think that there are a lot of cases
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where it's actually a nicer thing.
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It's also a lot less intrusive
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'cause what happens is if you switch apps,
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you go to a different app that,
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and you're in split view,
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that app on the right side stays there.
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It's not like they're kind of like paired.
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So if you're saying, "Oh, I'm getting a lot of work done
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"and I've got Word or Pages or whatever on the left side,
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and I've got, I've got, I don't know,
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Slack on the right side,
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and then you go and you switch to some other app,
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just something innocuous that is totally different,
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switching to Safari to read something.
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Well, that thing on the side just stays there,
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and you're like, oh, you're still here?
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And then you've got to like take your finger
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and drag it away and go into the single app mode again.
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And, you know, SlideOver doesn't do that.
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It's only there when you want it.
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So, yay, SlideOver.
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Side-by-side is really nice.
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And then picture-in-picture is the other thing
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that's fantastic. I don't know if your apps... Hulu's been updated for it, Major League Baseball
00:56:02
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got updated for it, Netflix, who knows what they're going to do, but it would be really
00:56:06
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nice if Netflix would do it. And Apple's Videos app supports it already out of the box. And
00:56:11
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FaceTime too, so you can actually be talking to somebody using FaceTime while you're looking
00:56:15
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at an app without like the screen going black and being told that they've been paused. And
00:56:22
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that's... those are all great, so you can sit there and do some work and have a little
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video playing in the corner of the screen and that's awesome and you can actually have
00:56:28
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that happening during a split view session so you can have video playing and two apps
00:56:33
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running and that totally works.
00:56:37
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Yeah, did they update YouTube?
00:56:41
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No they haven't done that, well they need to do that, that's on the list.
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YouTube and Netflix need to get with the program.
00:56:47
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I'm not convinced that they will do it, I mean because they already do their own version
00:56:51
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of picture in picture within the app. I don't think they want you leaving the app and watching
00:56:55
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the video. Yeah, they've got this custom, you know, custom player controls and stuff
00:57:00
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too, so they may not be able to do it is the other thing, because you may have to use Apple's
00:57:04
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streams. But the interesting thing is, Hulu did it. Hulu does it, and it works fine. Were
00:57:09
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they using their own custom player before? I think so, because they have to insert their
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commercials and stuff. So, we'll see. I mean, it's not like it's handing it off to the system.
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app is still doing the video itself in the background. So I think if Hulu can do it,
00:57:25
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Netflix could do it, and we'll see, and Amazon too. So we'll see what happens. But I think
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Picture-in-Picture is a fantastic feature. Fantastic. I'm very excited about it. So I
00:57:38
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want everything that does video in any form to support it because it's really nice to
00:57:42
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be able to look at that video on your iPad while you're doing something else. And you
00:57:47
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know, like with the FaceTime preview, you can pinch it to make it bigger or smaller,
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you can move it to any corner of the screen.
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You can even slide it off the edge
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so that the audio is playing and you can see that it's there
00:57:56
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but it's temporarily out of your way.
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It's a really well implemented feature.
00:58:00
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I'm very excited about it.
00:58:02
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So that's my favorite stuff in iOS 9, honestly,
00:58:05
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is the iPad stuff.
00:58:07
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Although I do love low power mode.
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Low power mode is great.
00:58:12
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- Yeah, I've used that a bunch.
00:58:13
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- I use that at XOXO.
00:58:14
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It was a 20%.
00:58:16
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It says, oh, you're at 20%,
00:58:18
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do you wanna go into low power mode?
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and it just stopped.
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I think it maybe went to like 18%.
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It was amazing.
00:58:24
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In fact, what it suggested to me is that I've got some apps
00:58:26
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that really need to not be given background authority
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because they're draining my phone battery.
00:58:32
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But I lost so much battery anxiety
00:58:35
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once I went into low power mode and realized that,
00:58:38
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it's like the extra gas tank in like a Volkswagen
00:58:42
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where you run out of gas and then you pull this thing
00:58:45
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and the secret reserve kicks in
00:58:46
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and then you go for another five miles
00:58:48
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until you can get to a gas station.
00:58:49
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It's a little like that, that, you know,
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when you get to 10% or 20%, you don't panic and think,
00:58:54
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oh my God, I'm gonna run out of battery
00:58:56
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and I need to call somebody later, how am I gonna do this?
00:58:59
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You just put it in low power mode and it works fine.
00:59:02
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It's not like it suddenly goes to black and white.
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And I mean, it works fine.
00:59:07
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It's just not doing a lot of stuff
00:59:08
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in the background at that point.
00:59:10
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- Just talking about YouTube,
00:59:12
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I wanna give the upgrade listeners a great tip
00:59:15
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that Federico gave to me on virtual.
00:59:17
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I've put a link in the show notes to a third party YouTube app called YouPlayer and it
00:59:24
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has picture in picture.
00:59:28
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And it's a very good app, you can search for stuff but also if you copy a YouTube link
00:59:33
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and open the app it's like "hey do you want to watch this video?"
00:59:35
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It sees it on the clipboard and you can watch it picture in picture.
00:59:40
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I don't really know how this app exists but it does.
00:59:44
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But it does so...
00:59:45
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Lots of interesting things happen.
00:59:48
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So there you go.
00:59:49
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You can go and get that one if you want to.
00:59:50
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And I will just keep sitting and waiting for mailbox and for Google Docs and Tweetbot.
00:59:56
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Then I will be happy again.
00:59:58
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And I'll also keep waiting for my Apple Watch to update and then I will be happy again.
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week's episode. Jason I would like to know your thoughts on Apple news. So I'm
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interested in your thoughts as a consumer and a publisher so I would just
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like to have a quick addendum. Apple news is not available in the UK. There are
01:02:40
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ways that you can make it available but I've decided to stop doing that. Like you
01:02:44
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can change your region but I stopped doing that when Apple Pay came out
01:02:48
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because I didn't want to screw with anything there. But it's currently not
01:02:52
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available in the UK. There are reports and hints that it will be coming with
01:02:59
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iOS 9.1 but currently it's not available outside of the US which I
01:03:04
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don't fully understand why like I don't know if Apple is aware that the internet
01:03:12
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is available across the world but it seems like not because it seems like
01:03:17
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basically in 9.1 the reason that people think that it's gonna be in the UK is
01:03:21
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that some UK publications are gonna be are in there like they're in there in
01:03:27
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9.1 if you run in the beta but I don't fully understand why Apple think that
01:03:32
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like wired and CNET like are they not international public? Anyway so I'm
01:03:38
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interested what you think about using it and also what it's been like to try and
01:03:43
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put your content into it. Apple news doesn't feel done to me it feels like a
01:03:51
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beta it feel and I think I feel like I'm being generous I think I don't quite I
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don't know I don't want to I don't want to come off as too harsh here but it
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doesn't feel done. As a user, it seems kind of like a mess. I can't envision myself using
01:04:07
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that as my source for news. It seems complicated and weird, and I don't understand some of
01:04:14
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the ways it presents information. And because I have my own site, I can look at the content
01:04:19
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from my own site and be baffled about what it's putting where and why, what images it's
01:04:25
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showing. I'll have articles with good images attached to them and it will, those will be
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like down on the page with only text and then I'll have articles with, that are just short
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and have nothing in them and they'll use those with a thumbnail of the site logo which doesn't
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make any sense to me. So I'm a little baffled by that. They have this Apple News, the documentation
01:04:45
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is almost non-existent for what you feed as a publisher to Apple News so it's very hard
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they've got my RSS feed and it's in there. There's this Apple News format for publishers
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that on the day that they announced this, they had a sign up for, "Hey, you can sign
01:05:01
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up and we'll let you know when we have that information. It's coming real soon." And,
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you know, it still hasn't showed up for anybody who signed up for that. So they've got their
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partners that they're working for or they're working with. I get the feeling that maybe
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the partners are essentially beta testing this format and the reason that other people
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don't have it is that it's gonna change and break and...
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Can you explain what the difference is? Because your content's in there but you don't have
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access to the tools.
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Apple News format like Wired did that custom story that's got like some crazy art and stuff
01:05:32
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on it about the architect of World Trade II in New York and that was an exclusive on Apple
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News over the weekend and they're using a special format that is native to Apple News
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that lets it do kind of fancy stuff.
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Most of the other stuff in there
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is just coming from an RSS feed.
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So they're taking, you know,
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six colors content in there.
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I've given them the address of my RSS feed
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and they suck that in and then display that in Apple News.
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And that's what they do.
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So there's these two tiers
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and I'm happy to work on making my site
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more friendly to Apple News, but Apple seems to not be ready for that yet. And I understand
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that they're working on it, but it just it feels like they're still struggling to get
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this locked down. And I've heard from people who know people who are involved in this that
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that's true, that they're still, that it's kind of a mess and they're still working on
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it and it's a work in progress. And I don't know, this strikes me as one of those apps
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had to ship because OS 9 was shipping and they said it would ship with it but
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it just doesn't it doesn't feel like it's it's all the way there yet and you
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know hopefully we'll see updates that improve it but of course it's on the OS
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install which means that I believe they can't update it except when there's an
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OS update which is kind of bad I mean they can do things on the back end with
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their servers but the app itself I don't know it's it's really good so give you
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the tools though, right? Like the tools can come to you at any point.
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Sure, unless they need to make app changes to support the format, but if they just are
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changing the format or locking down the format and eventually they'll share it, that's fine.
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I mean, I'm not too bent out of shape that I don't have access to that format other than
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that I see my content and I'm like, "Is there something I can do to make this look better
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and to make more sense in Apple News?" And I just, I don't know because I don't have
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any of that information. As a user though, I mean, bottom line, as a user I'm baffled
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by it. I don't think it makes a lot of sense. The keywords seem weird, setting favorites
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seems weird. I mean, maybe if you're somebody who's just never used a Flipboard or a news
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reading app or something like that, maybe there's a use case where you're just getting
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basic stuff from it that it is a perfect fit for, but it just feels to me like it's, that
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still figuring it out. And you know, that's fine. I think that's fine. But I wouldn't
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say it feels like a finished concept. It feels to me like something that they're still trying
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to figure out themselves and probably were struggling to get something that they could
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ship and the version that's in 9.0. I mean, I can't, I only use it because I want to see
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what Apple News is like so I can write about it
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and I wanna see how my content is being displayed,
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but it's not like I, I mean, I've opened it a few times
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and just thought I would never open this app
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were it not for the fact that as a publisher,
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I should probably see what my stuff is looking like.
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And as a person who writes about this,
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I should stay informed about what's going on
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with Apple News.
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But as a regular user, I never look at it and think,
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"Oh, this is great.
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I had a great experience in Apple News."
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That hasn't happened.
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I can't fully understand why anyone will use this.
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Well I think the idea is it's a super well first off the the Siri stuff integrates with
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it so if you if you do a search or something and a news link appears now it opens in Apple
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News I believe.
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Yeah I turned that off.
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So me and Grey were talking about this on Cortex and and there are some I mean it's
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is some follow-up. There are some negatives to doing it. You lose some of
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the search term stuff, like it doesn't do the Bing searches, it doesn't do sports
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scores, like when you type that stuff into the search field is what we're finding
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out. But both me and Gray have a pretty strict "I don't want to see the news"
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policy and Apple kind of choosing to just put it in my face is kind of
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frustrating and it's more frustrating that I can't just turn that part off.
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Like there's a toggle for news but it doesn't actually do anything. You have to
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turn off something called spotlight suggestions. So I'm happy that it's gone
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and to be honest I don't think I care about the things that I'm losing. But in
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regards to the Apple news I'm like I don't fully understand like why like
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Facebook stuff, the instant article stuff, that I get because it's already in your
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Facebook timeline anyway. It's just there and they're just making it
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look nicer and load faster when you tap it. But I don't think I need another app
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to check news in. And I'm wondering, the problem is, so if it's just
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gonna take all of my favorite sites and just show me their RSS feeds, then
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that sucks but then it's like these tours are gonna come out but I'm
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wondering are you gonna want to format everything again and so then it's like
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if nobody's gonna use it and then nobody's gonna format for it it just
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ends up in this cycle where it's no one's ever gonna like I say no one but
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like you know people that we know and the listeners of this show like are they
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ever gonna use it I don't know I don't know I mean I would would I use Apple if
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if people are using Apple news what I use the Apple news format to do a fan
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fancy OS X review or a fancy iPhone review or something like that. Maybe. Maybe. You
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know, day in, day out probably not, right? But for special stories maybe. You know, I
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think the rationale is that normal people don't use a news reader. And so what if we
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create a news reader for the rest of us? Just for normal people who are never going to download
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a news reader of any kind in the App Store, maybe we'll do something for them. And it's
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the typical thing where you think, "Oh, geez, here comes Apple. That's going to ruin it
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for the third parties, but the fact is that Apple's implementation is never going to be
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at the level of care of the third parties. And so there's always an opportunity around
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the edges. This case, it feels like, you know, they're learning to crawl here. And that's
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the thing, is if you look at every other app that's out there that does this sort of thing,
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well, maybe not. There's probably some terrible apps there too, but I could think of several
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apps that are out there now that do this so much better than Apple News. And yeah, it'll
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get better over time unless Apple abandons it, it will hopefully get better over time.
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But it is weird because there are other apps that do this and do it a lot better. And so
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hopefully, you know, Apple's thinking that they're playing a long game here and the idea
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is that they want to have news integration throughout and have this be a way for people
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to read stuff that interests them. But it is weird, it is kind of outside Apple's comfort
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its own and you know it's hard not to read it as being like Apple trying to
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create a box for all editorial content on the web that doesn't require a web
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browser and lives in a browser that they control and that they that everybody
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monetizes with iad that you know while they're also doing content blocking on
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Safari it is it is you know not that far to go to say that that's really what the
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motivator here is, is not a grand conspiracy to drive people into news because content
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blockers exist. I don't think that that's necessarily what's going on here. But I do
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think that there is this feeling of like, we can create a better experience for reading
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in our own app and then we'll let publishers make money by using iAd. And I'm not sure
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that is a realistic scenario on any front.
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Yeah, because publishers can still show their own ads, which aren't blocked by content blockers,
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and they aren't using iAds, so it doesn't...
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Whilst I understand the argument, it feels like Apple is still providing the same amount
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of tools to provide the same terrible experience.
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Yeah, it's weird.
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It's a weird...
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What it is, is it's a weird RSS reader.
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It's a weird flipboard-like thing.
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But it's from the platform vendor, which is why it's important.
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But it's so weirdly built...
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I don't know.
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I really, I keep coming back to this.
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It's just, I don't even know what to say about it
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other than that, I feel like, you know,
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to be charitable is to say it's a work in progress
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and, you know, they need to keep on working on it.
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But I didn't entirely understand it when it was announced
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and seeing the final version of it,
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I still don't think I understand why this was a good idea.
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And yeah, I'm not ready to chalk it up
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to being a complete mistake
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that Apple should never have released it
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because they may yet find ways to make it make more sense.
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But right now, I just,
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it seems like a weird potentially overreaching
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kind of product that the world didn't really need it.
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There wasn't really a crying demand for it from Apple
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and yet Apple has decided to provide it.
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So I'm not, you know, why, why do that?
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- Sure, yeah, I think this is something
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that I don't understand, I feel like it's probably
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not for me, I'm not a big news reader guy anyway.
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- And maybe when the kinks are ironed out,
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and like for example, you could publish a different version
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of your iPhone review with fancy stuff,
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it might make a bit more sense,
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and then I might choose to read the articles
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that I do read there, you know, maybe.
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Like if you just say like, just click this link
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and you'll get all of this stuff plus more,
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I can see, okay, that might make sense
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if it makes sense, right?
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- It only really makes sense as a means to an end, right?
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Like in Facebook, this is what you said,
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in Facebook, I'm using Facebook
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and then there's a link and I read it.
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Or I'm doing, if you don't turn it off,
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I'm doing a spotlight search
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and an interesting article comes up and I tap and I read it.
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That I can sort of see and that's why apps
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that work that way make more sense.
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But when it's like, hey, I'm gonna open news
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and see what's going on, that's when I just don't see it.
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- No, I don't get it.
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If there was like, you know,
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like with this deep linking stuff,
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if there was a way to allow apps to,
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I don't even, I'm not even sure what I'm thinking,
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but some way that you could use,
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like on Twitter you could select,
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I would like to open these news stories in news
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rather than in a web browser.
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Like, you know, you can imagine, I don't know,
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something like that with selected partners
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that sign up for the service.
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Or have a mobile safari look at a header URL in the page it's loading and discover that
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there's a news version of it and say, "Would you like me to display the pretty news version
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of this story?"
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Then I would probably do that, right?
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That makes sense to me and I think I would use it for that.
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But as a news reader, it's basically impossible for Apple to build a news reader for people
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that read news in a specific way because everybody has their own ways of wanting to read this
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And I feel like it's a real strange thing.
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I can't fully get my head around why they're doing it.
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Is it just because it's like a cold war with Facebook and Google?
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Like is that what this is?
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And if it is that, really?
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That's not a user.
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Well this is I think maybe why we're struggling to find out what the clear user benefit and
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and the clear user demand is for this, is that there isn't one. And it really is about
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everybody is trying to do something that is not on the web so that they can control the
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content inside their own platforms. And that's certainly what Facebook is doing. And that's
01:17:47
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sort of what Apple's thinking here. But that's a corporate strategy that I guess you could
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get behind, but it's not a user-centric approach.
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So like it doesn't even make sense to me like why Apple would try and fight it
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like I get why Facebook would do it and I get my Google do it because it fits
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within their wheelhouse because it's based around advertising like but I
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don't get like the push for I add in all of this when I add has just gone down
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the drain anyway like if you look at the ads that pop up there it does feel like
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this is coming from the same kind of poisoned portion of Apple from which
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the iAds strategy also emanates which is a broken weird part of part of Apple
01:18:34
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that you know this this seems just as misguided in that way.
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iAds ads advertise the same kind of shady and weird stuff that we complain
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about in web ads they just do it in a constrained way in the bottom of the
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screen but right like it's free to play games and stuff like that it's like I
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I don't know. I'm angry today, Jason. Yeah, it's a grumpy Myke day.
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Well, if there was ever anything to be grumpy about, I think Apple News would be
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a good one because it, yeah, I don't, yeah, I'm not a big fan, gotta say it.
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I was listening to ATP just before this and they had feedback that they were
01:19:14
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being really grumpy in their previous episode and now I feel like I've just
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done the same. I am happy to report that after a reboot of my watch, Watch
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OS 2 is currently installing. Indeed, thank you everyone. I don't know... anyway, so
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that's where we are with that. Grumpy mic. Let's do some Ask Upgrade, maybe that
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know who knows what will happen I'm being I'm I'm merely making jokes I don't have a
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driving license yeah maybe I will by 2019 because I plan to learn to drive before I
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have kids that's that's my thinking so good thinking good plan yeah I endorse
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this plan good let's go to ask upgrade our first question is so it comes from
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Jimmy why do podcasters use fancy mic setups but all these interview TV shows
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get by on lav mics which are the lav lavalier mics or the little clip-on
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microphones that you see like on somebody's tie or on somebody's shirt my
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understanding of this stuff which I know very little is that they are way better
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than you think they are.
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And they are extremely expensive to get the good stuff.
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You can buy a, you can buy, well, before Radio Shack went out of business, you could buy
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a $30, $25 lav mic at Radio Shack that was battery powered and was okay.
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But you can get, yes, very good, very expensive lav mics.
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Also in a lot of those cases, they're in a studio environment, so they have complete
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control over the audio in that environment.
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Whereas a lot of podcasters are using microphones in echoey rooms of their house because they
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aren't, you know, they can buy a better microphone more readily than they can build a studio
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in their home.
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But the stuff that you see on TV is, that's expensive stuff.
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That's not the cheap stuff.
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And the expensive stuff is really good.
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So that's probably, you know, those lav mics are engineered very well and not cheap to
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get that sound.
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Bob would like to know, do you know of any way to keep an app out of multitasking on
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the iPad? I have an iPad Air and don't want all of my apps in there, like tips for example.
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I would say you're stuck, but if you rarely use an app it's going to stay at the back
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and how likely are you to keep scrolling and scrolling and scrolling? So I think Bob, don't
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worry you won't see tips because it will stay right at the back of the queue and you just
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never have to look at it.
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I think that um, I think that interface is not going to hold up well.
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No! No, no. The big icons with names that you have to scroll through to find an app
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to put in split view or in slide over, it's not a very efficient interface. It's fine
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when there are eight and less fine when there are eighty. But what I do really like about
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that is if you have, for example, you have the Twitter app in the slide over view and
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then you go back to the home screen and open another app, if it also supports multitasking,
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It keeps the app that's in the mini view or on the right hand side, it keeps it in view.
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Am I making sense?
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So the app that you have on the right, if you go to the home screen and open another
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app that also supports hyper multitasking, it keeps the app that was previously on the
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right and just replaces the one on the left.
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I think that is very smart and that is people using the device understanding how to make
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this earlier while you were being frustrated by your Apple Watch I think.
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Oh sorry. And my problem with it is that sometimes you don't want that and I
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think that's one of the negative things about the split view is that you
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switch to another app and you want a different context where you have the
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whole app there and that doesn't stay you know the split view stays so there
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are times when it's good and there are times when it's it's it's less good and
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that's why I think slide over is potentially more interesting than
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in split view just because the slide over kind of comes
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and goes on demand, whereas the split view,
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they're both in your face the whole time.
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But it's, Apple has thought about how people
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are gonna use it and now we'll find out
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how people actually use it.
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And then I think we'll learn a lot
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and Apple will learn a lot
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and then we'll see some tweaks to it, you know, next year.
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- Next up on the list comes from Dean.
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Will Jason share or does he even know
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what I would ask, how many people visit six colors with a U versus the American spelling?
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I don't measure it, there's a redirect that happens at the domain level and I have no
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measurement on, I'm not intercepting the redirects and counting them. So my guess is nobody uses it
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with a U because who would do that? Clint would like to know, why does Apple hate podcasts so
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much? Specifically, why does the podcast that no longer support playlists or full screen videos?
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So I am typically the first person to complain about the podcast app. I have
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had an affair with it over time which has not been good, but actually in this
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scenario there have been some big improvements to the podcast app in iOS 9
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and Federico did a great job of summing those up in his review. I just think the
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team that make this app are focusing in different areas rather than video
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podcasts or playlists. They are making show notes and links a lot better and
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they're supported a lot better and there's a much better view for those. The
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unplayed list has been significantly cleaned up and enhanced. It has some good
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stuff like it will show you it breaks things down into like time periods where
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it's like you know in the last week or in the last month or in the last year
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right so it shows you that which I think is really cool and also they have a new
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mini player which looks like the music app. So when I look at this now I feel
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like the podcast app is becoming the app for people that aren't obsessive. So like
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when you think about it can you imagine how many Overcast users really need to
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know if they've not listened to an episode of in the last year? Like but I
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feel like for people that are not too heavy on this stuff that is more useful
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in a way. Right like this was this is a show that was downloaded this month
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because your list of shows is like four shows right not like 60 shows so yeah
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it's it's a I think I think the writing is on the wall that most people who are
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developing podcasting apps are viewing podcasting as very specifically audio
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and like overcast doesn't even support video podcasts it's clear that Apple is
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is not focused on video podcasts with this update.
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And for people who watch video podcasts, that is frustrating.
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Hopefully there are apps out there that still take care of you and that maybe you can use those apps.
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But I think the general view in podcasting and Internet content creation circles
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is that people are watching videos on YouTube and they're streaming videos
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that downloading videos as podcasts is problematic.
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It's harder to make money
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if you're trying to make money off of them.
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It's very expensive to pay for the bandwidth.
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And so for publishers,
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you know, a lot of them are using streaming services
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to do this stuff.
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And podcasts' great growth has been in the audio format.
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So I feel like video podcasts
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is a thing that is perfectly capable
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and some people love it, but it's not as widely liked.
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And when they're focusing on like, what is a podcast,
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the video podcast tend not to be prioritized.
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So yeah, I think Apple doesn't hate podcasts so much.
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I think Apple is indifferent to video podcasts.
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- So the next question comes in from Landon
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and Landon would like to know,
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"Do you think we'll see updated watch hardware in April
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or in the fall to align closer to the iPhone's update cycle?"
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- My gut feeling is that we won't see
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and a new Apple Watch internals until at least next fall.
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That's what I think.
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I think when they're gonna get through this holiday season
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I don't think they're gonna need a refresh
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or even want to refresh before the next holiday season.
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Assuming unless they like panic and feel like,
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oh my God, we need to get new hardware out there
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because this isn't going well
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and we've got some great new hardware
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that's gonna be great and people are gonna love it.
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I think it's much more likely that they're gonna take it
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slower, take a year and a half at least, but it's hard to imagine them getting
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through another holiday season without some sort of a hardware refresh. So
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that would be my guess. It's possible, I don't know about the odds, it's possible
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that we'll get something in the spring, but I just think it's more likely that
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that'll happen in the, you know, the late summer or in the fall just to get them
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ready for the holidays, unless there's like a bandwidth issue where it's like
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Literally, we need to start making these things
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and announce it earlier because we can't do that
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and the iPhone and the iPad and all of that.
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But my guess is that everything that can be on a fall cycle
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is on a fall cycle.
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Also it's paired with the iPhone.
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So being able to release it and the iPhone together
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is I think where they want to be.
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That's my guess.
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What do you think?
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I originally would have said April because I think there's too much in the fall.
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And I know why they do everything in the fall.
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I think eventually this is going to be a problem.
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If they keep adding new products and keep only releasing them in September,
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like that, I don't know that that seems like a really weird business,
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but I guess it works for them because they make billions and billions and
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billions of dollars every quarter.
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But do you know what I mean?
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It just feels like so much, right?
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you're doing everything, you know, like they did everything in one event like a
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week and a bit ago. I feel like if you had to add to add to add a new
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watch hardware on top of that, like I feel like you are starving everyone for
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attention and money by doing it all at the same time. But we'll see, we'll see if
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it works for them. I would be, I would maybe be a bit more, I think it'd be more
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likely that they would release in April and then do like what they did with the
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iPad that time and then have a very very small update in the fall which then puts
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them on a full release. Do you remember when they did that? They announced the original iPad
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they were they would have they wanted to change the iPad schedule so did that was
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it like the iPad 4 or the new iPad whatever they called it? It was one of
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them was like basically just nobody bought it. It was the 4, well they did the 3 which was the
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first retina one and then the next spring they did an update for it because
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it was so underpowered.
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Yep and they put the new connector on as well didn't they?
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If I remember right?
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So I think they might do something like that. Maybe do the second one in April
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and then maybe move it again either this that year or the year after.
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That's my feeling.
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Plus I don't know if there's a specific time that you want to be doing fashion products that aren't Christmas.
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Yeah, it's true. Well, like I said, I think how they sell at the holidays is going to be an interesting indication.
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Also, how many of these do they think they can sell and how often can they sell you a new one?
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I think that's a real question. I think that...
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This is... I'm probably wrong, but the contrarian in me wants to say I think the Apple Watch is going to be on a much slower hardware cycle,
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because people aren't going to buy a new watch every couple of years.
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So the refresh, like with the iPad, there's going to be a long lag, and that you're better off
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making new, as we've seen, new body materials, new watch band materials, maybe even some new body
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shapes without substantially upgraded features. And again, it wouldn't surprise me if they stealth
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update the features where everything gets a little bit better, the battery life gets a little bit
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better, but they don't tell anybody. It's just a slipstream kind of upgrade. It wouldn't surprise
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me if they say well this this body is shaped differently it's got a little
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different styling but it's essentially the same features inside that's
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something I think they could do and and then when it comes time to do a second
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Apple watch what features really make it stand out if it needs to be more than
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just that sneaky slipstream upgrade what are you gonna do to make this that much
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more impressive and what what features are those and are those ready yet and
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are those gonna be ready I mean do you not bother doing another Apple watch
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until you can put in a cellular radio? I don't know. But I think it's worth
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asking that question like is this the kind of product that updates
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incrementally and are those increments so small that it's almost like not even
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worth discussing it? Or is this something that has a huge change every year or two
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and can they sell those and will that will that drive sales and will that make
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you know upset the people who bought the old one a year ago or not. I don't know
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if I had if I had a bet I wouldn't bet a lot of money on it but I would bet that
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Apple is going to either take it very slow or it's going to be sliding in like
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little upgrades here and there and not doing the every year we'll do new Apple
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watch with a new banner feature like an iPhone it just doesn't feel right to me
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I don't think that's what they're gonna do.
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Brian would like to know and and you mentioned it again today so now I'm
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really intrigued that you're writing in Microsoft Word on the iPad and you had
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really nice things to say about it could you discuss why you're doing this and
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using it over some other applications? I was looking for a writing app that was
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capable and Microsoft Word was available and so I used it and it was because I
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have office 365 and running on iOS 9 at that point I had some betas of some
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other apps that weren't working very well. I don't use pages, so Brian was
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asking versus pages. I'll use it. I also like to try to use these things from
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time to time just to see. I'm not a big fan of pages in any of its incarnations
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so I haven't bothered with that. It was funny that I ended up in Microsoft Word
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but you know it auto syncs to the cloud and then I can open it back on my
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desktop and so I decided to go that route. I tried some text editor that was
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saving to Dropbox and it ate some of my words and I was very unhappy with it and
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I decided I would try a different app and I ended up in Word. You know I'm not
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endorsing Word, I don't do all my writing in Microsoft Word on the iPad that
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certainly doesn't happen but I did write that iOS 9 piece about multitasking on
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the on the iPad in in primarily in Word with the Bluetooth keyboard.
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Awesome. And Aaron wanted to know, I just like this one, for the love of all that is holy,
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why isn't settings available in split-screen or slide-over? And there's a
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bunch of Apple apps that aren't, which is surprising to me. But it's probably for the same
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reason that there are still a bunch of apps on the 6 Plus that are Apple apps
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that don't do landscape. I think, I think, yeah, part of it is that they didn't want
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to do the work perhaps there's like too many other things to do and part of it
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is philosophical maybe they're saying look productivity apps get get split
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screen but you know why would you ever want to use settings and split screen
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like you settings is meant to be entered you change your settings and you leave
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it you don't keep it floating around now if you're somebody who changes your
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settings all the time having settings and slide over actually kind of makes
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sense to me but a split screen split view that seems weird to me but hey
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"Hey, Aaron, if you want to do it for all that is holy..."
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Yeah, that's my guess is that they didn't want to put the effort into it
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because they had other things to work on and that they didn't consider it, you
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know, a priority because it's not really a productivity app, the settings app, you
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know, keep that... you keep it handy for when you need it but you're not like
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flipping in and out of it all the time or at least theoretically you're not.
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So as we draw this episode to a close, my Apple Watch is rebooting.
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It may have installed OS/2, it may not have, I don't know.
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We'll guess I'll wait and see what happens when it comes back on again.
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Yeah, exciting.
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It's very exciting.
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