60: Very Nice Button
  
   
 
 
 
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     From Relay FM, this is Upgrade, and this is episode number 60. Today's show is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     brought to you by the great people over at Braintree, Igloo, and Mail Route. My 
     
     
  
 
 
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     name is Myke Hurley, and I'm joined by Mr. Jason Snell. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Hello, Mr. Myke Hurley. How are you, sir? It's good to be back. In the intervening 
     
     
  
 
 
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     time between between our this episode and the previous episode, we saw each 
     
     
  
 
 
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     other. Yes it's like we recorded many episodes of upgrade but nobody can hear 
     
     
  
 
 
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     them. No we didn't record them we just performed them. Performed them, yes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Privately. We did we were you and Steven and underscore David Smith were on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     clockwise last week. That was a great episode actually. That was a lot of fun 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and it was the only podcast recorded by us at release notes we didn't do a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     liftoff we didn't do an upgrade just that clockwise. Boy did that feel good to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     not have to worry about the scheduling whilst on a little trip. But that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was a nice nice episode of Clockwise if you have not heard Clockwise before you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     should start episode 109. Yeah that's a great place to start there's very little 
     
     
  
 
 
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     continuity in Clockwise you can just dip in you have 30 minutes you could listen 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to it. Indeed it's easy easy easy peasy. Should we do some follow-up? I think that would be 
     
     
  
 
 
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     great. So last week we were talking a lot about Force Touch and yeah me and you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     were both basically lamenting the development of OS X in this regard and saying it seemed 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that the tools weren't there and/or the activity wasn't really there. And Abby wrote a great 
     
     
  
 
 
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     email to us. And Abby wrote in and they included a bunch of different scenarios that could 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Yeah, he is--Abby is a--is a--like a power--a power user and I actually exchanged email 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with him about this because--and I think--I think it's really interesting. He--so what 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what he said is that he wants to be fast and do things as quickly as possible. And I thought 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it was really interesting. He doesn't like the fact that there are some of the shortcuts 
     
     
  
 
 
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     where you kind of click for a little bit and then let go and wait, and then something happens 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like to rename a file. It's like, it takes too long. It's sort of John Siracusa-like. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's like, I don't want to wait. I just want it to happen right now. Right? And so I get 
     
     
  
 
 
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     where he's coming from. But what's interesting is the things, the point was, "Oh, you guys 
     
     
  
 
 
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     are selling Force Touch on OS X short, look at all these things it does." And we can go 
     
     
  
 
 
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     through them, but I think I actually mentioned all of these, but we can get into that. Do 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you want to go through the list here with me? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     David: Yeah, I want to mention a couple of these because I pulled out some that I thought 
     
     
  
 
 
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     were quite interesting. So, for example, you can force touch a document name to rename 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     >> Right. Right. Right. I mean, you can also just click on it for like a second and let 
     
     
  
 
 
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     go and the rename box will appear or you can press return, which is what I do. I find that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a lot of my mouse gestures that I think of as mouse gestures are actually mouse and keyboard 
     
     
  
 
 
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     gestures. And, you know, it's nice that you can do that entirely with a mouse, although 
     
     
  
 
 
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     then you have to type the name. So your fingers are on the keyboard anyway. But you can't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     can do that and I did not know that that one forced open the rename in the finder immediately. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I didn't realize that it did that. So that is a nice little tip. I don't notice that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because like I said I'm selecting and hitting return and that's muscle memory from a long 
     
     
  
 
 
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     time ago. But that's a good one. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     >> You can quit local document by just pushing down into it. Although I have found in test 
     
     
  
 
 
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     testing and planning around it today when you use column view like I do what you end 
     
     
  
 
 
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     up mostly doing is activating the renaming of the file name. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, right, because it's different whether you force touch on the name or on the icon. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, and obviously the majority of the clickable area is the name of the file. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     In that view, yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But it is possible if you don't click in there, but you can do that, so. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And that one is one of those that I roll my eyes at a little bit, because again, for me, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you can do that or you can just press the space bar, which, yeah, it's just a little 
     
     
  
 
 
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     different gesture to click and then tap a key versus not, but fair point. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So you can do a type of peak as well, so like you have peak and pop on iOS, so if you force 
     
     
  
 
 
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     touch on a link in any WebKit view, so Slack for example counts as this, it kind of shows 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you a preview of the web page. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And this is in the category of most of the ones that Abhi mentioned, which is what I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     referred to last week as the three-finger click shortcut. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Apple at some point added this three-finger click, which is basically like a bunch of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     extra stuff that isn't in a control click, and they wanted another gesture for it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so on systems that don't have a Force Touch trackpad and have a trackpad, it's the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     three-finger click. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So that web page preview is the repurposed three-finger click that I mentioned last week. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     On a word, you get the dictionary definition on an address. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with the Apple Data Detectors technology that's got like an address will show maps, that's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     all coming from that same thing that's the it's the repurposed three-finger click gesture. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So this is the thing right so there is some stuff here but I think this is where the problem 
     
     
  
 
 
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     lies in that on iOS a lot of the stuff that is behind Force Touch is stuff we couldn't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     get to before stuff that was created is stuff that didn't exist but on OS X it is more of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a repurposing of features that are already there and are already perfectly accessible 
     
     
  
 
 
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     using the tools that currently exist. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I think you end up with two issues. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     One, I'm not going to do most of these because my muscle memory is in the other way of doing 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     And the other is, it's not very exciting because it's not enhancing functionality in any way, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's just giving me a different way to trigger certain functionality. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     >> Yeah, also this goes back to, again, we did talk about this yesterday, or last week, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but it's follow-up. This is the challenge that on the iPhone, what you're talking about 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is secondary. It's a secondary form of input. And here we already have the keyboard and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we have a right click. I mean, there's so many things that have already been wired in. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I think the most important thing is that we already have a secondary click. And it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the right click or control click or I do it all two-finger click now because I've been 
     
     
  
 
 
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     using the trackpad for so long. So that means that all this other stuff, you know, Apple 
     
     
  
 
 
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     did come up with some of these features and you see them, and these are the ones that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Avi mentioned, a lot of them, in this three-finger click thing that they created or tap, but 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they are all, it's just kind of a collection of extra stuff because the main thing is you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     get a contextual menu with all the most important things when you do your secondary click. So 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So this is this tertiary click that--I don't know, this is what I was trying to say last 
     
     
  
 
 
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     week and if I wasn't as clear, then just to restate it a little bit, the challenge on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the Mac is finding what is the unifying principle of what a force touch, a force click does 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on the Mac, and have it available and have it be understandable and unified and the challenge 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there is that you also have a right click and that you can't count on force click being 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a thing. So I just think it's a work in progress. But while there are these things that have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     been around for a while for this third click that Apple kind of introduced for the trackpad 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a few years ago, the challenge is that it's kind of all over the place. So that's my frustration 
     
     
  
 
 
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     here is that I'm not sure there's--I don't want to say that it's easy, because it's not. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It was much easier in that way to put it in iOS, because iOS could really use a second 
     
     
  
 
 
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     kind of interaction there. On the Mac, we've already got an alternate click and we've already 
     
     
  
 
 
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     got keyboard shortcuts. So, you know, it's not an easy problem to solve, but I've never 
     
     
  
 
 
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     thought that the three finger shortcut stuff made was really unified in any way and it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     seemed to only be limited to a few features. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     >> I just realized something. We were complaining and bemoaning the naming issue, 3D touch and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Force Touch. It's actually three names, right? Force Touch, Force Click, and 3D Touch. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Well, Force Click isn't—that's just a thing you do in a Force Touch trackpad, right? I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     think Force Touch is still the feature name, and then there's an action name, which is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the Force Click. It's confusing, because I was—we were debating this when we were updating 
     
     
  
 
 
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     my book about photos for Mac. We had a section in there about photos on iOS, and we're 
     
     
  
 
 
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     debating what the verb is for when you when you 3d touch something. Are you 3d touching 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it or are you using 3d touch to press on something as opposed to tap? It looks like in a lot 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of Apple's documentation they actually do use the word press and it seems to be differentiated 
     
     
  
 
 
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     from tap but it's weird. It's weird stuff. So there's a lot going on here like what's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the feature called, what's the verb that describes when you use it. It's all over the place. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     still figuring it out I think all of us. Yeah I just got sent some breaking news 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Jason Snow. Oh yeah. Google is bringing podcasts to play music. Well we've been 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we've been talking about that for quite a while now that well there were lots of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     rumors that they were working on on podcast stuff because they're they're 
     
     
  
 
 
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     behind and I was telling somebody I think it might have even been at release 
     
     
  
 
 
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     notes when we were talking about the the fears of a gatekeeper in in podcasting 
     
     
  
 
 
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     thing, the idea that Apple built this thing, and I think all the stats show that iOS devices 
     
     
  
 
 
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     are vastly more likely to listen to podcasts than Android devices. And one of the reasons 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is that Apple's been pushing podcasting for quite a while. So very interesting, a little 
     
     
  
 
 
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     real-time breaking news. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Something for us to look out for and deal with and change all of our processes. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     hopefully not hopefully not too much right hopefully this is hopefully this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is just another like another directory which I think would be would be great 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah that's what I hope it is and I hope that they are completely compliant of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     all of the standards that everybody else is using because Apple don't ask you to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     do anything specific in the feeds for example they're very good at that the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     stuff you can do you can do extra things you don't need to do any of them so I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I hope that it remains to be that way. Yeah. We'll have to wait and see. So maybe we'll 
     
     
  
 
 
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     follow up on that a little bit later. I wanted to do a few pieces of Back to the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Future follow-up. Alright. So we totally called the USA Today cover. So on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Thursday October 22nd, which made sense because it was the newspaper was the day 
     
     
  
 
 
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     after the day that Marty and the doc went to, right? So they arrived on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     October 21st 2015 but the newspaper was the next day's newspaper so on October 
     
     
  
 
 
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     22nd 2015 in the real world USA Today did a wrap of their newspaper with the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     front page of the USA Today from Back to the Future 2 and then on the back page 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they had an ad for the 30th anniversary edition and also for the Michael J Fox 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Foundation. I was luckily in the United States of America and I got one and I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
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     very very happy that I have one because this is a really nice kind of little 
     
     
  
 
 
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     memento of the movie. But I thought it was funny because we said they should do 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this, it'd be great if they did this," and then they did it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, that's cool. We called it. We were all at the release notes conference when this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     day happened, which was kind of fun. You put some slides in your presentation, you were 
     
     
  
 
 
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     giving the presentation that day, so that was a lot of fun too. Yeah, we did it. There 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was a couple people were asking about the mic at the movies feed on the incomparable 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and what the difference is, and I guess we should restate that, that again, the idea 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is that we're not going to have new stuff in that feed. That feeds just going to be 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the excerpts about movies from relay shows where you're talking with me and Casey and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     who knows who else if ever about about movies and they'll they'll all get excerpted later 
     
     
  
 
 
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     over 30 days later at the mic at the movies feed at the incomparable but it's not meant 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to be like a new podcast where you watch a movie every week it's it's literally like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a place you can go if you just want to listen and I've heard from people who said oh yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I just listen to this one because I think sometimes you miss you miss it or you're listening 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to a tech podcast and then you get 90 minutes in and they start talking about a movie and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you're like, yeah, well, I don't have time to listen to this right now. So having it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     as another place you can go on demand or you know, not digging back into our archives where 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we're talking about news from a year ago. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And talking about the incomparable on the way home on the plane. I listened to episode 
     
     
  
 
 
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     41 where you all discussed it was that you Dan Morin Dan Morin Dan Frakes Lex and Serenity 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah you spoke you did like an episode about all three which is quite funny back to the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     future movies so still early on in the incomparable when you did three movies in one episode and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I really enjoyed listening to it but the thing that I found the funniest about it all was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     your opinions were the same, to the point that you even said, I can't remember what 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it was, but you said some of the same stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Which is just fantastic, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That your opinion maintained all this stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     My opinion hasn't changed in the last four years, no. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it just really made me smile, but it's a great episode, and I enjoyed it very much, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and it was fun to hear everybody talk about this stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I assume that you experience this when you're editing podcasts, that you're listening to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the conversation, and you have this thought of what you think about what was just said, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and then you hear your own voice on the podcast say exactly that. That happens to me all the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     time where I laugh and I hear myself laughing the same laugh at the same time as I'm playing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it back because I've responded to that statement in exactly the same way. Just, you know, I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     did it four days ago and I did it again when I played it back. It's funny. Weird. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah. And talking about things that I did on the plane back to the future related, I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like 15 minutes away from finishing I need to finish it a fantastic 
     
     
  
 
 
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     documentary that I backed on Kickstarter called Back in Time which is a documentary 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about it's kind of interviews with the cast and creators of Back to the Future 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in part one of the documentary it's like a two-part documentary but it's all in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     one part where they just split the two hours into two one hours or whatever and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     then the other part is like about the fans of the movie and it's just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     fantastic if you are a Back to the Future fan you should go and rent or buy 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this this movie it was really really good and I enjoyed it immensely so I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     double thumbs up on that one all right I have to check it out yeah you really 
     
     
  
 
 
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     should it's fantastic it really really is fantastic and now it's it's out it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you can rent it you can buy it and you just go to their website which is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     backintimefilm.com and you'll see in there the secret cinema event they did 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that I went to in London they shot some footage of that so you get to see what 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that's like and they did a good job of capturing just how special a thing that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was. So I really thoroughly recommend it. It's an excellent watch. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Alright I think we've come to the end of the follow-up for this week so let's take our 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So Jason, in between our last episode and this episode, Star Wars tickets were released. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Did you buy any? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     I actually, it's funny, I had to think about it because I didn't, when everybody was freaking 
     
     
  
 
 
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     out about Star Wars tickets. Oh, they're on sale, they're on sale, I can't get them, the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     site's crashed. I went and I put in our zip code and it brought me to a page that said, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     well, it's playing in downtown San Francisco and it's playing in Emeryville and it's playing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in, I don't know, Daly City or something like that. Not where I live, just things that are 
     
     
  
 
 
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     close-ish but not where I live. I was like, all right, well, something's going on here, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm not gonna go, you know, take my family into the city on a Thursday night to see a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     movie that's not gonna happen. All the traffic, parking problems, things like that, it's not 
     
     
  
 
 
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     gonna happen. The next morning I went back on the site just thinking, "Well, you never 
     
     
  
 
 
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     know." I've seen that happen in the past where they add sort of other theaters later, and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sure enough the big single screen movie theater, reputed to be George Lucas's favorite movie 
     
     
  
 
 
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     theater here in Marin County had been added and the Thursday at 7 p.m. show was available 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and so I bought four tickets. So the family is going, my daughter has finals the next 
     
     
  
 
 
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     day, I don't care. We're all gonna go. We'll be home by 930, it's fine. She'll get some 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sleep if she's gonna need to do her studying before we go to the movie, that's what's gonna 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have to happen. But yeah, we're gonna do it. So the way I figure it, I'm gonna see it on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the 17th, but because of time zones and many other reasons, you will be seeing it before 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     >>ANDREW Yes, well, not only is it time zones, it is coming out a day earlier in the UK. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     >>DAVID Right. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     >>ANDREW And so I'm going to see it on 11.30am on the 17th. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     >>DAVID Can you go see it on the night of the 16th? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Did you have that option and then you bypassed it? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     >>ANDREW Yeah, we can go at midnight, but I don't want to do that because I don't need 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     technically that's not the 16th and that's the 17th. And it comes out here in the United 
     
     
  
 
 
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     States starting at 7pm on the 17th. So I think technically it comes out in both countries 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on the 17th. Yeah, we're seeing it at 7pm on the night of the 17th. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:19:21
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     Maybe we can see, I'm going to find out if it's possible to buy tickets earlier. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because the midnight showings have proven so popular that they've started showing them 
     
     
  
 
 
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     earlier. So now you actually get most, for a lot of these wide releases that they expect 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a lot of people to come and see they extend the weekend essentially to Thursday night 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and that they actually put in two showings sometimes on Thursday night for these blockbusters 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to extend the weekend through, you know, it's Thursday night and all day Friday, Saturday, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Sunday. So yeah, we're going at 7 p.m. on Thursday the 17th. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Well that's interesting. However, kind of the official release is the day earlier. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Is the 17th there and the 18th here, yeah. But it's a lie. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Well I will be seeing it at 11.30am on the 17th. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, well you'll have me beat by like a lot. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, many, many hours. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     By like 14 hours or something like that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So like I could see it earlier but like I'm not... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, so it starts with midnight showings here on the 17th. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's when we get it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So you can watch it at 0001 on Thursday the 17th. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It doesn't seem like that there's any showings on the 16th. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So my feeling is I want to see it at my local cinema so it doesn't take many hours out of 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     It's not the best cinema but it's fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And if I go at 11.30am on a Thursday afternoon or whatever day it is, Wednesday or Thursday 
     
     
  
 
 
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     afternoon, there's not going to be anybody else in the cinema, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Or there'll be very very few people. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I'm just going to go and I'm going to see it and then I'm going to be happy. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So that's what I'm going. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     11.30am on 17th and I'm going at that time in the morning because I want the maximum 
     
     
  
 
 
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     amount of time to gloat online that I've seen the movie without having to watch it at midnight. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because if I watch it at midnight I might be tired when I'm watching it and I really 
     
     
  
 
 
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     want to be like engrossed. And I've already booked my second viewing because the dinner 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is going to be away, she's going to be back home and when she comes home from Romania 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it for Christmas, we're gonna go see it together on New Year's Day. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:28
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     Wow, you have planned ahead. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:31
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     Well, she wants to see it, and I figure I might as well book tickets, because I have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     no idea how busy it's gonna be, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:37
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     Like, it could really pick up. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:39
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     It's just funny that you've bought tickets for a movie that doesn't--a showing of a movie 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:43
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     that's not for more than two months. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:46
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     But you know, I have tickets for December as well. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:50
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     Mid-December, and it's not yet November. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:52
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     So it's pretty crazy. What a world we live in. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:54
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     Yes, it is funny when you think that I've already bought tickets for a movie in 2016. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:22:01
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     Yeah. You might have a problem. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:04
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     Yep. The problem is love, Jason. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:07
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     Talking about love, I have a new computer. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:12
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     Yes. It's time. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:15
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     It is time to talk about my iMac. As my Mac Pro sits here, very sad. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:21
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     So I set it up on Sunday. I started the setup process when I got home from 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:29
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     Indianapolis because I figured I might as well just do it. So I was doing a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:35
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     migration. I did migration assistant. I did it by Thunderbolt which is fantastic. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:42
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     Absolutely fantastic. It migrated like I don't know like half a terabyte or 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:47
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     something in about 45 minutes. But I have to say though, I have to say, this is my 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:56
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     my current bugbear at the moment is Apple setup processes and I have another 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:02
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     problem here Jason. The majority of apps that I downloaded from the App Store 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:07
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     when I tried to launch them I was told they were damaged and had to be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:11
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     redownloaded. Oh yeah that's that same thing. Yep and you know what you have to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:16
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     do you have to delete the app put in your password because drag it to the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:20
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     trash put in your password and then redownload it but it doesn't tell you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:23
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     that right it just says damage redownload from the App Store so you go 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:27
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     to the App Store and you can't redownload it just says open right 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:30
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     because it's already installed so it's like another thing where it's like this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:34
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     is another problem that shouldn't happen and Apple don't give you any kind of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:37
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     guidance as to how you need to fix the issue so I had to just delete I've been 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:41
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     I've been doing this over the last couple of days because as I'm launching 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:44
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     apps right like oh it's damaged it's like great so delete this one put in my 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:48
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     password to delete it go to the App Store redownload it it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:51
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     maintains all of my settings and stuff which is interesting I'm not really sure 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:54
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     ► 
     how that's happening right if I delete the app shouldn't everything go with it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:57
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     ► 
     but I don't want to think about that so but that's just an annoyance I've had so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:03
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     ► 
     that is basically the only annoyance that I have with this machine and it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:08
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     more an OS it's definitely an OS X problem it's not a it's not an issue 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:12
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     ► 
     with the iMac. The screen is incredible. So you know I've been 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:20
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     using retina machines for a while so the retina doesn't blow me away right 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:25
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     ► 
     because I know what that's like. Right but it's a lot a lot of retina though 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:30
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     it's a whole lot of retina. That's what I love about it. So it's the resolution so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:36
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     So I have it on the one up from best or no. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:44
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     I have it, so you know, if you've got five settings isn't there? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:24:48
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     If you choose scaled, there's the default setting which is not scaled. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:52
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     And then there's two larger text settings and two more space settings. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:24:58
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     So I have it on the, in the middle between default and more space. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:25:03
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     looks like 2880 by 1620, it says. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:06
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     Yeah, we'll go with that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:10
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     That is one of the two settings I use. Sometimes I use that setting, most of the time I stay 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:14
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     with the default, but sometimes I feel like I have too much going on and I want a little 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:25:20
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     Why do you go with default? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:24
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     Because I'm 45 years old and having everything be a little bit smaller has its disadvantages. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:30
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     ► 
     Yep, I get that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:32
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     And because on a 27 inch computer, I don't often feel like I need more space. Also, a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:39
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     lot of what I'm doing, you know, is writing things. Those are little windows with text 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:43
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     in them. They don't need to be, you know, I don't need huge amounts of space for stuff 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:49
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     ► 
     like that. So, you know, I go back and forth, but I find myself just staying with the defaults 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:54
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     ► 
     a lot, mostly because I don't feel like I need more space most of the time. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:59
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     ► 
     So in the chat room, Skeeman has asked about the specs. I thought I'd just run over quickly what I did get. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:04
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     So, a 27 inch Retina 5K iMac with a 4 gigahertz Intel Core i7, 16 gigabytes of RAM and a 1 terabyte SSD. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:17
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     I'll just run over that again. Very happy with that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:24
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     One of the things that I've noticed with the screen which is fantastic is how great it makes split-screen mode 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:30
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     ► 
     because you could just have because the apps are just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:34
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     So large right in full screen 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:37
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     But it was actually with the setting I have you put them into split-screen and you can see so much of the content, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:43
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     ► 
     Which is fantastic and that also in a funny way has made me excited for the iPad Pro 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:51
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     Because I can see the benefit of like two basically full screen applications side by side 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:57
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     Because I always felt like with my Mac Pro and also on my retina MacBook 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That I could use apps side by side, but they were always felt constrained in some way 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But on this machine it they do not feel constrained in any way 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I feel like I have two full-size apps side by side, which is great 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, I I don't know sometimes 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sometimes there are certain cases where I feel like it's good, but most of the time 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I feel like the screen is so big that I don't need to go into split view, because first 
     
     
  
 
 
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     off I could probably have more than two windows open. Like, it's such a big screen that two 
     
     
  
 
 
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     windows open at once isn't--that's sort of like too much even then that you really need 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to subdivide it further, and most of the ways I work I've got more than two things open. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     occasionally I'll find a really good use for it, but I feel like it's, for me, I'm more 
     
     
  
 
 
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     likely to do it on a small screen because two things side by side on an 11-inch MacBook 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Air makes sense, and when I have two things side by side on my Retina iMac, I think I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     could have more things here. That makes sense to me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah. I mean, I use full screen though, right? Like I am a full screen person. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     So that's why this makes more sense to me. So like I have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It does make more sense than full screen on the 27 inch. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I have Chrome in full screen constantly right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And if I'm filling in maybe a Google doc or something or when I was doing our show notes 
     
     
  
 
 
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     today I put notes on the right side where I'd been taking some notes and then I had 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Chrome on the left side and I was just copying and pasting in some things. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I am one of the full screen people. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I like to have things in full screen. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I have a lot less in full screen, pretty much the only app that is always, well I have two 
     
     
  
 
 
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     apps always in full screen, Google Chrome and iTunes, and I will sometimes throw 
     
     
  
 
 
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     something else into full screen. But since I started using the Mac Pro 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with the 25-inch monitor, I started to put less into full screen than before. So 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like I have two desktops, one which is my audio desktop, which has all the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     recording stuff and where I edit, and I have my kind of work desktop which has 
     
     
  
 
 
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     all of my other apps in. But I do like to use full screen, like for example when I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was working on my presentation keynote was in full screen. When I'm in an 
     
     
  
 
 
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     app like that I do quite like it. The speakers are fantastic. Coming from 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the Mac Pro which is like it basically feels like it has like an iPhone speaker 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in it. Like the Mac Pro speakers are horrific, the internal ones. They are 
     
     
  
 
 
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     really quiet, they sound terrible. Obviously with the Mac Pro not being 
     
     
  
 
 
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     directly in front of you it always sounds like it's to the side right or 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like underneath depending wherever you put the Mac Pro right because it's not 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the screen the speakers always gonna sound like the sounds always coming from 
     
     
  
 
 
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     wherever the speaker is which is usually not right in front of you and I know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that a lot of people plug their computers into other speakers but I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     don't have that and don't really want that so but the speaker on this thing is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     incredibly loud and it sounds really really good and I'm very very happy 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about that. One, something that I also really like that probably nobody cares 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about, the power button is way easier to reach, it feels good to click. I do shut 
     
     
  
 
 
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     my Mac down every day. Yeah me too. That'd be crazy. Yeah I don't know why people, I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     know a lot of people do that, like just leave them sleeping or whatever, but I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     don't like to do it, I just like to turn it off, just turn it off. And it feels good, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it starts up really fast. It doesn't even matter, it really doesn't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     matter to me. And I just think, just turn it off. I don't need it to be on, because 
     
     
  
 
 
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     if it's on, the USB pre is on, and I don't like to leave that on. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I agree. Exactly right. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I really don't want that on. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, I don't want the USB interface on, I don't want my thunderbolt hub on, I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     want anything on. I want it off when it's off. And it's a nice feeling when I shut it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     down and everything kind of goes out and I'm like, I'm done, and I walk away. And if I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     need to come back, because I forgot something, oh no, I have to wait 20 seconds for it to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     up I mean it's almost no time at all so so yeah so I I start my day by pressing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that that button along the back of a of the iMac too and it is it is satisfying 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so because on the Mac Pro it's in an awkward position around the back of the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     little cylinder thing and the click isn't very nice but on the iMac because 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the iMac so thin it's really easy to get to there and as it's really nice the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     button is just very nice a very nice button it's very satisfying to click it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I won't do it now because it would turn my Mac off. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     Don't do it. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     Okay, so this might just be a placebo thing, but this feels faster than my Mac Pro. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Now on paper it should be, because the processor is more powerful. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:31:41
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     But it might just be one of those things where I'm like, "New computers quick! Hooray!" 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     However you slice it, the machine that I have sitting in front of me is a monster. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like, it's fantastic. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's really powerful. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It is of course the most powerful machine that I've ever owned. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it feels that way. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I am very happy because the work that I do, there are bottlenecks. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And this is the same with anybody that creates the type of stuff that we create. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There are always bottlenecks, like bouncing or exporting and stuff like that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And this machine, it helps me edit podcasts quicker, it helps me reduce all of those loading 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     not, you know, all of these things are like, you know, "Oh, what am I saving? Like, 10 
     
     
  
 
 
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     minutes or something? 5 minutes? A couple of minutes? 20 seconds? 10 seconds?" But it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     doesn't matter because in the aggregate this stuff adds up. And when I'm, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like, today I will be editing three podcasts in total. So all of that time 
     
     
  
 
 
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     saving is beneficial to me, and I like to have that, and I feel like I get that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     from this machine as well. Yeah, I think that most tests will indicate that the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:49
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     Mac Pro is still going to beat it for, you know, really threaded multi-core kind of tasks, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:55
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     but for a whole lot of tasks that aren't aggressively throwing threads out onto all of those processor 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I share your feelings. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I was coming from a MacBook Air, so like you, I was coming from a device that had an SSD, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so that wasn't it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     SSD you've got the new, you know, whatever it is, two and a half times higher bandwidth 
     
     
  
 
 
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     SSD on top of it. So yeah, it should feel fast. It's not as dramatic as going from like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a spinning hard drive to an SSD, but still, it's a good thing. You're all SSD, is that 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     >> Yeah, 100%. So it was expensive because I bought the terabyte, but I don't currently 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have like an external storage solution, which I feel like I should get, but... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, I have one of those. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, do you have a Drobo? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I have a Drobo, yeah, and I have a half a terabyte of SSD. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     What do you think about the Drobo? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because I have some people tell me to go Synology, some people tell me to go Drobo, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I'm not sure. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I don't think I have an official, like, an official recommendation about any of that, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and we can talk about this on another show. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Boy, that worked wonders for the ATP guys. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     guys. They talked about Synology and Drobo for like 80 episodes. It varies based on your 
     
     
  
 
 
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     needs. I have also heard people say that they love Drobo and people who've had a lot of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     problems with it. I've had it for a year and had no problems with it at all. I do back 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it up, but it's also got the redundancy on its own hard drives. So theoretically, if 
     
     
  
 
 
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     one of the mechanisms fails, I can just pop it out and put in a new one. And I like that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Mine is a Thunderbolt Drobo. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's actually attached to my Mac Mini, so it's not a NAS. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's just an external drive on my Mac Mini that runs. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:44
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     That runs all the time, and that's my server. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:45
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     And I have a server that runs all the time, so it works for me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Whereas for some people, it makes more sense to have something that's a network-attached 
     
     
  
 
 
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     device that's just a huge disk. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I've got it, you know, it's on gigabit Ethernet here in my house. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:57
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     So I'm moving just today. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I posted episode six of the "Incomparable Radio Theater," and that was a project, episode 
     
     
  
 
 
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     four and six because it's the same cast, we're one big project, and it was kind of nice to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     be able to move that off of my iMac and to the Drobo, and it was, whatever it was, copying, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know, 20 gigabytes of data. I mean, it was a lot of data, a lot of data, and to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:20
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     see it kind of just move off of my drive via gigabit Ethernet to a server where it will 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:25
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     live and be backed up and has some redundancy is kind of nice. And then I keep my workspace, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:32
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     see how much I've got like 40 gigs free right now on my on my iMac itself for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:36
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     local stuff so I I shuttle things back and forth sort of as I'm working on them 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:39
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     but I'm very unless I'm encoding video I very rarely get to the point where I run 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:43
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     out of space but I know it's it's really nice to have a big server somewhere 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:48
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     where you can dump your files when you're done with them yeah no I just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:52
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     haven't decided on a solution yet yeah no it's it's a tough one I feel like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:55
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     it's I feel like it's kind of shifting and people have said for a while now 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:59
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     that it wouldn't be nice if there was a more consumer-friendly kind of server idea. And 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:03
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     I think everybody decided that it wasn't worth it because internet connections are getting 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:08
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     faster and cloud storage is cheap. And so people are sort of assuming that like in the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:14
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     next five or 10 years, you won't need to worry about it. The problem is that's five or 10 
     
     
  
 
 
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     years away and people who have connectivity issues, which you do, you don't have a super 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:23
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     fast internet connection. You want to have storage locally. And so since there's no, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:29
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     you know, the investment here has been a lot less than you might expect given that there 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:32
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     is probably an easier way to solve this. But there are products out there. And you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:37
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     I do recommend you getting something, whether it's a NAS like the Synology or Drobo makes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:44
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     a NAS version or whether it's something like a, you know, a big attached storage device 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:50
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     of some kind. I don't know, there are lots of the-- I agree with you, I ended up with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:53
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     the Drobo through a chain of circumstances that you know but it fit my 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:58
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     it fit my needs but I am happy that I've got this giant like 20 terabytes or 
     
     
  
 
 
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     whatever it is 15 terabytes of data sitting across the room for me. That's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:08
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     nice. That's a good feeling. Yeah, I'll say I just it's one of those things I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:12
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     just don't know what to do. I mean as well like it's fine at the moment like I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     don't mind kind of trashing logic files after a couple of months when they're in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:22
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     the shows that are topical so they're out of date right like we're never gonna 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:27
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     go back and do them again but like yeah I've got 105 gigabytes of clockwise 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:30
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     episodes that I could trash and you don't need to be fine yeah I don't think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:34
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     the mp3 files live in multiple places I have backups of those but not the logic 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:38
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     files but shows where the content is more evergreen I do keep the logic files 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:45
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     files. It's like, for example, Cortex, I have all of those. I have the inquisitive ones 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:50
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     and stuff like that, like I keep those. But like this show, we don't really need it after 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:56
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     a couple... Like I do it every, like maybe every quarter, I kind of bin the previous. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So like after a few months, if I'm not needed, I probably won't need it again. And I'm sure 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:04
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     someday that will come back to bite me, but right now that's provided to be fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Oh, I wanted to mention before we move on, since we're talking about SSDs and devices 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:15
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     and things like that, I wanted to mention, so my mother had a mid-2009 MacBook Pro, and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:22
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     I used this for some of my device testing last week. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:24
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     And I realized that what I need to do is get rid of it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So what I did was I actually bought an SSD and more RAM and eight gigs of RAM and opened 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:38
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     ended up last week and what was amazing is this six-year-old computer felt just unusable 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:47
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     even even a year or two ago when my mom was still using it and she switched to an iPad. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:52
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     It was just so slow and awful and it thought occurred to me when I was reviewing that 4k 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:56
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     iMac which has the spinning hard drive and I thought spinning hard drive is the problem 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:00
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     so I replaced that in this 2009 mid-2009 13-inch MacBook Pro and it's great now I mean it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:07
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     It's never going to be the same as a cutting-edge MacBook Pro that you'd buy today, but for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:12
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     120 bucks maybe, 110 bucks, I put in the SSD and now it's running El Capitan and it's got 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:21
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     8 gigs of RAM and it's actually pretty great. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:24
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     So now I'm going to sell it to somebody because I think it would be a--I didn't want to sell 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:28
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     somebody my mother's old slow awful computer but by replacing the disk and adding more 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:32
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     them. It's a perfectly serviceable, cheap computer even though it's five years old, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     six years old. So that's a little story. Yeah. Bottom line, on modern computers, the disk 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is the thing that is going to kill you. The disk is, you got to, that's, just don't buy 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a spinning disk if you can help it. And if you have to buy a spinning disk, buy a fusion 
     
     
  
 
 
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     drive. But yeah, it's just, they're so slow. Even the fast ones are slow. And in an iMac 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or a laptop, it's usually not the fast one. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, and it's weird how we made such, or Intel, not we, there was nothing to do with 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it, made such massive jumps in processor technology, right, with all the core stuff, and it really, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it became quite a thing, and we made massive jumps and continued to make massive jumps. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this stuff, like the storage stuff, really it didn't kind of like go 
     
     
  
 
 
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     along with it, you know? SSDs are fantastic but I bet there's still a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     bottleneck. But you know if you're still looking at computers today that are 
     
     
  
 
 
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     being sold new with hard disks in them, that's a problem. As we have many 
     
     
  
 
 
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     other people have lamented in what I am dubbing the year of storage whoa with Apple. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Alright we'll take it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If you think about the 16GB iPhones, the fact that the iPad Pro is 32 or 128, you've got 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the Apple TV, like why is it in two different storage solutions, nobody understands which 
     
     
  
 
 
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     one to buy, and then you have spinning disks in iMacs. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     2015 is the year of storage problems. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Great uneasiness in storage-related issues for Apple this year. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     All right, let's talk about these magic devices and my opinions on those. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But before we do that, let me take a moment to thank our friends over at Igloo for sponsoring 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this episode. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You should know Igloo. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They make the internet you'll actually like. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If you are stuck looking at an internet that hurts your brain every time you see it, or 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:42
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     Or you're stuck in a certain location to use your intranet or you have to use a specific 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     You don't want to have to live like that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This is 2015. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You know, Marty McFly is running around on hoverboards out there. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You want to be able to use your intranet on any device that you have. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:57
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     You want to use an intranet that features responsive design, that allows you to completely 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:02
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     rebrand it, customize it, and build it so every team in your company has all the features 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that they need. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's what you want and that's what Igloo give you. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     understand that in 2015 people like to work from wherever they want to be. You 
     
     
  
 
 
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     can be working at a client site, you can be in your garden, you might want to do a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     bit of work on the bus. With igloo you can do all of this, you can share status 
     
     
  
 
 
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     updates, you can access documents, you can see the latest version of a file, you can 
     
     
  
 
 
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     see the comments that people have left on them, you can manage a task list, you can 
     
     
  
 
 
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     do this from wherever you want to be. You can also integrate services that you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     love and use every day like Box, Google Drive and Dropbox and you're able to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:38
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     integrate them into igloo's platform so everything stays secure and safe within 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the entire platform within the company platform so people aren't taking 
     
     
  
 
 
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     documents and putting them on their own devices that is a terrible security risk 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:49
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     for a lot of companies and igloo make all this safe. Talking about security 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:53
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     they have 256-bit encryption single sign-on and active directory 
     
     
  
 
 
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     integrations a lot of that stuff doesn't make complete sense to me but having 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:00
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     worked in big companies I'm familiar with those terms from the stuff that I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     used to see and use and I worked for a bank right so you don't think you can 
     
     
  
 
 
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     get. Like if I know those terms from working in a bank you know that igloo's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:11
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     got some secure stuff right because this is the type of stuff that they're 
     
     
  
 
 
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     integrating. With igloo you can also share files of your co-workers in their 
     
     
  
 
 
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     own document collaboration engine and the great thing about this is you can 
     
     
  
 
 
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     track who has read certain documents with read receipts. So let's say you're 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sending around the latest fire safety document and it's you know by law you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:30
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     have to make sure that everyone in the company's seen it. You don't have to run 
     
     
  
 
 
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     around there with a piece of paper and a pen and check off everybody's names. You 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:36
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     you can just see in igloo it will just say Bob Red, Mary Red so you'll know, it's fantastic. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:41
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     It's time to break away from the internet you hate. If you're using something that makes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:45
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     you sad you should be signing up for igloo right now because you can try it out for free 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:49
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     for any team of up to 10 people for as long as you like so you're going to know if you're 
     
     
  
 
 
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     going to get on with it and I'm sure that you will. Sign up right now at igloosoftware.com/upgrade 
     
     
  
 
 
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     thank you so much to igloo for their support of this show and relay FM. Yay! So magic device 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Magic devices. I bought all of them, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:44:10
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     I didn't even take the mouse out of the packaging. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I decided it's got nothing I need in it. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:44:18
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     Sounds about right. You could sell it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, I could sell it. I'll keep it, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because it's just there now. It's whatever. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It came with the device for as much as I'm concerned. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And mainly this is because I mentioned this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm going through some RSI problems right now. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm switching around inputs and stuff like that and I know that the Magic Mouse 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is not going to be helpful in this scenario because it is not built for 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ergonomics, it is built for beauty. So I don't need to use it. I have a Magic 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Mouse that I use on my laptop when I'm on the road because it's nice and small 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I get to use you know the gestures and stuff. So because I mean see for a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     trackpad, I mean trackpad is terrible, the mouse is pretty much just as bad so I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just can kind of flick between them with different hands right so that's fine but 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't use that too much so I needed two keyboards right because I was doing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     moving documents with the migration assistant stuff from one machine to the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     other so great I had the new keyboard and I remember what Jason told me to do 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I just plugged it in right yep and it paired bingo excellent didn't need to go 
     
     
  
 
 
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     through the rubbish with it even in like the setup screens plugged it in plugged 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it in? Done. I do not like that keyboard at all. I really really don't like it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's very pretty. I love the way it looks. But that key travel I cannot abide. It 
     
     
  
 
 
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     feels worse to me than my MacBook Pro keyboard and I mentioned this to Steve 
     
     
  
 
 
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     when I connected. It is. I know it is. Worse, just because the travel is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     different doesn't mean it's worse, right? It depends on where you come from. I find 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it worse. It is different, it's shallower, but I don't like it at all. Steven prefers 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it to his MacBook. Interesting. Because he's saying he likes the stability of the keys. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     People have opinions. Yeah, I mean because the keys aren't stable, I could feel that, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but I felt like they weren't going anywhere. And I used the Microsoft Sculpt ergonomic 
     
     
  
 
 
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     keyboard. So it's very different. I mean I started using it for a moment, I was like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this is just going to set my hands on fire, like to use this thing. Because again, not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:24
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     built for economics. But the key travel, I don't know what it is, but the key travel 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is quite deep on the Microsoft keyboard that I use. So I couldn't use it. But I tried it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and it's very nice to look at, okay? But it's just not for me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Well, and there is nothing more personal than an input device, and especially a keyboard. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There is no one right answer for what the best keyboard is. That's the funny thing is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:53
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     we have like all the jokes about Marco Arment and the MacBook, the adjective-less MacBook 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:59
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     being having a bad keyboard and I don't like that keyboard either, but some people like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it and that's fine because people's bodies are different and the needs that they've got 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for their devices are different and there is, you know, we don't live in a world where 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:14
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     there's only one kind of keyboard to get and there's a reason for that and it's not because 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:17
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     some people are wrong, it's because different keyboards work for different people. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     >>Yeah, they do. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     >>I'm still using it, although I'm gonna go back to my Logitech Easy Switch keyboard and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:29
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     try that and see how I like that and sort of do the reverse thing and see if I notice 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what's different going back to the one that I was using before I was using the Magic Keyboard, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just to see. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:42
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     >>Yeah, I mean, I don't think I'm a good litmus test for this because I use a specific keyboard 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for a specific reason that the Magic keyboard is not built for. I have kept 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the Magic trackpad around though. I like the size and feel of it. I think it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     actually does look nicer than I expected. I still wish it was black to match the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:06
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     iMac. But it is good-looking. I like the the form factor that it kind of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:14
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     mirrors the IMAX screen like size right so it's not a square it is a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:20
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     rectangle which makes sense for mapping you know even though I know that it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:25
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     like inertial and momentum based so you don't it's not directly mapped anyway 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:29
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     but it just makes sense in my brain. Well you're moving around a wider an area 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:34
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     that's wider than it is tall so your pointing device is wider than it is tall 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:37
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     yeah which makes sense basically makes sense yeah. I am still having the issue 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with missed clicks. Now sometimes like if I'm clicking and dragging something, I do 
     
     
  
 
 
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     something maybe I don't press hard enough and it loses it. I've noticed this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:56
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     a couple of times moving documents around and moving logic around and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:58
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     things around in logic. Now maybe I'm more sensitive to this than other people, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:03
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     maybe I don't do a good enough job of clicking, but the thing was the old 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:06
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     trackpad I never missed it because it was physical. So as long as I was keeping 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:11
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     the pressure down it worked for me. Sometimes what I found is like maybe 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:16
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     there's been a slight variation in the pressure and the trackpad believes that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:20
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     I've taken my that I've intended to stop this click and begin a new one. That's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:25
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     what I think is going on here. I never missed the old one right 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:30
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     because I could like press down with my thumb and move with my finger and it was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:36
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     fine but there's something going on maybe like I'm pressing down my thumb 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:39
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     and then pressing down too hard with my finger at a certain point and it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:43
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     registering a new click but the physical trackpad on my MacBook Pro and on my 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:47
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     well I used the previous magic trackpad I never had and this was never an issue 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:51
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     like I never noticed myself doing something that was unintended when 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:56
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     moving stuff around you know like that was never a thing before but this is the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:01
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     thing that I am seeing and I need to pay more attention to work out what I think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:06
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     think it's doing but basically my feeling of it is it's because it is not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:10
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     physical there is software or there is something that is trying to understand 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:14
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     what I'm doing and it's when you take away that physical element it will in my 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:19
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     opinion it will never be right a hundred percent of time because it's doing more 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:22
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     judgment of the movement that I'm making rather than the movement I'm attempting 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:27
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     to make. What I have noticed though is using my MacBook Pro trackpad is now 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:35
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     less satisfying because I can't click anywhere I want. And I found that really interesting. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:42
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     Huh. You mean like the diving board thing where you can't click higher up? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:47
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     Yeah. So like it's not as easy to click in the top part, naturally, as it is in the bottom 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:54
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     part, but that's not an issue on the Magic Trackpad, too. And click anywhere I like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:59
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     right? And it registers just as nicely. So that is an interesting feeling. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:04
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     clicking is entirely done with my thumb so it's always at the bottom. Well that's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:10
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     how I always was but it's funny how in just a day or two it's changed that and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:14
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     then I used my MacBook Pro and was like oh I can't do that now. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:17
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     So found that very interesting to see. It is hilarious to me that it makes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:23
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     that clicking sound. And I did turn the clicking off but it still clicks 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:28
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     anyway so I just left it on. It makes that vibration and the vibration makes a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:34
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     noise. It's just not the higher frequency click thing that they have a little speaker 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:39
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     ► 
     in there to fake for you. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:40
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     >> I think it's hilarious. I find it more, I encourage anybody that has one to turn the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:46
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     click off in system preferences so you can just hear the difference. It's funny to me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:51
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     It sounds like an artificial click. It is a funny sounding click and I like that. And 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:55
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     I kind of like that it does it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:56
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     >> It's on the MacBook at least, I think has the same thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:00
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     >> Yeah, it would do. I assume that it would do. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:02
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     I have silent clicking turned on which isn't entirely silent but since I'm doing podcasts 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:06
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     and things I figure the quieter the better so I have it turned off. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:12
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     I really like that you can turn it off and it breaks your brain you know because it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:18
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     ► 
     like it actually doesn't move. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:20
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     And oh yeah when you when you flip the switch and turn it off it just it's no longer responsive 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:52:25
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     ► 
     And that's something that I like to demonstrate to people in my family right so like I said 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:29
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     ► 
     to Adina like come here and click this and I turn it over click it now she's like oh 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:32
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     it's just a funny little thing right it's it's nice um but yeah I look all in all like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:38
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     the magic trackpad is the winner for me uh because it actually does do some stuff to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     improve on the last one in ways that are meaningful to me like the size of it is nicer yeah the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     uh the overall package is nicer like it's I like how much lower it is to the desk um 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I can see there being some benefits with the force touch stuff eventually but as I say 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the downside is removing the physical click I think does make the... it is less accurate 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I think that's just the nature of moving it and the way that they're moving it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but I do really like it but the other ones they're not for me. I can see that they are great for many 
     
     
  
 
 
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     people they're just not for me and especially the mouse because it's like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     all you've done is just make it rechargeable via a lightning cable so 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what I may do is I actually may replace the one that I currently use I just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     thought of doing that why don't I do that so I don't ever have to worry about 
     
     
  
 
 
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     rechargeable batteries again it's like the one that I keep in my travel bag I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just gonna replace that so I'll just use the one because I always have a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     lightning cable in that bag right right I'll do that but yeah so that's one 
     
     
  
 
 
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     thing that I will do but aside from that it's not it's not massively useful for me 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to use every day. Perfectly reasonable. Apple TV went on sale, as you very rightly have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     written in a document, I don't care. I did order one. I did order one, I don't care about 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it, but I ordered it so I won't be sitting here going "Jason, what does it do?" I want 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to have one. That's a business expense. Yeah. But I really don't care. But I'm interested 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in seeing if you do? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, well, I'm interested to see what it can do. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I placed my order. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I actually placed my order from the plane when I landed in Phoenix on the way back from 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the conference. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I turned on the turn off airplane mode and it said on Twitter, "Oh, Apple TV orders are 
     
     
  
 
 
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     starting now." 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I went to the Apple Store app and went, you know, boop, boop, boop, bought it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just while we were taxiing to the gate. It was pretty funny, the world we live in. So 
     
     
  
 
 
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     mine is coming early next week. I didn't pay extra for shipping. If they have them in stock 
     
     
  
 
 
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     at the Apple store, I might go up there if I can get one early, but otherwise I'll check 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it out next week and try it then. I got the smaller storage one because I don't--Apple 
     
     
  
 
 
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     seems to struggle with this, right? And we mentioned it--you mentioned it earlier in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the year of Apple struggling with storage things, it's still really unclear about why 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there's a big one and a small one. And Apple's response was sort of like, "Well, if you've 
     
     
  
 
 
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     got lots of games, you might want to have the big one." And we may find out that there 
     
     
  
 
 
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     are some very specific things that are better on the big one where people start to load 
     
     
  
 
 
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     up on a lot of apps and they run out of storage space and they have to delete something, and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we may find that. But right now it's kind of unclear, and I was trying to explain to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to sort of regular people about why they're the two models 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and how they vary. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And when I say, well, one of them has more storage 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and they say, well, does it matter? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I have to kind of shrug and go, I don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It may not matter, but I bought the smaller one. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And we'll see. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah, I mean, I really hope that there isn't a clear reason 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that one is better than the other 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that Apple isn't telling us yet, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because that would super suck. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because their reason is just like, maybe you want more games? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm struggling to be interested in this device from a user perspective. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, well, we'll see. We'll see what the deal is. I think apps will start to come out. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I did hear from somebody who was doing a... had a developer unit. I forget. I'm not going 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to say who it was in case I did not talk to them on a podcast about it and it's not public, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:38
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     But the point was that the developer unit, you could swap it in for your regular old 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Apple TV, except for one problem, which is it didn't have any apps yet, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because like testing an iOS device, it doesn't have apps other than Apple's apps, which means 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that the old Apple TV came with YouTube at one point and Netflix, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And the new one doesn't. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:02
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     The new one doesn't come with Netflix. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You have to download the Netflix app, I believe, which is interesting. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so that's going to be a change too, is that you need to actually go and download 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the apps that you want to bring on board and use. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But we'll see how it is. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm looking forward to it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It should be kind of fun, play with the Siri stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:24
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     But in the long run, I was telling somebody last week that my family that I was visiting, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they were asking what box we had and what about the new Apple TV. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I said, "Honestly, we don't use much of it because we use the TiVo and the TiVo has our 
     
     
  
 
 
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     TiVo not only record stuff off of TV, but it streams YouTube and it streams Netflix 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and Hulu and Amazon video." So I don't use my existing Apple TV very much and we'll see 
     
     
  
 
 
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     if this changes that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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	 01:01:45
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     Uh, Brant said, "Is AppleCare worth it for the new Apple TV?" 
     
     
  
 
 
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	 01:01:51
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     Do you buy AppleCare for things, Myke? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:53
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     Uh, some things. I buy them for the phones because I could drop them and break them. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Um, and I buy them for bigger computer purchases because they're expensive to replace. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Maybe fixed, too. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:06
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     So I have AppleCare on the iMac and I have AppleCare on my iPhone. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So what do you think for this? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I would say no for the Apple TV because it's relatively inexpensive to replace and it stays 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Yeah, you're not carrying it around. It's also small, it's not particularly heavy, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and yeah. And again, if it fails in the first whatever year or two, it's going to be covered 
     
     
  
 
 
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     by the standard warranty, so if there are production problems or something, you're going 
     
     
  
 
 
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     going to be covered regardless. I asked you that because I don't have AppleCare on anything. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:38
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     At all. I'm a bad person to ask about this. No, not at all. Interesting. Because yeah, I kind of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     follow one of those two things, right? So it's the idea of, it doesn't move around a lot, or is it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:53
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     really expensive? And if one of those answers is yes, then I will probably get AppleCare. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:59
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     Yeah, I'm an AppleCare Never. I don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:02
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     I mean, it probably works out better for you in the long run, because the money you've 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:05
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     saved on not buying AppleCare will do a replacement, where I've never taken anything in for a repair. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:13
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     But when I'm... it's like the same with me buying all those devices. When I'm spending 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a ridiculous amount of money on something, adding that price on usually isn't that much 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of the overall percentage of the price, you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:03:27
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     spending 700 pounds on a phone, adding another like 99 on for the protection of it doesn't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     seem too bad, you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     >> Yeah, it's fine. I get it. I just, at this point, I feel like I'm way ahead. But yeah, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I've never had it. I don't know. If, you know, if I do the Apple, if I do that Apple phone 
     
     
  
 
 
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     replacement thing, that would be the first time. If I do that plan, which I probably 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:55
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     probably won't, but if I did that, that would be the first time I'd had AppleCare. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:58
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     You could say, "No, I don't want it! You take that away from me!" 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:02
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     That may be one of the reasons why I just buy the full-price phone instead of doing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:06
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     their installment plan. It's like, "I'm not paying for your AppleCare! I want your AppleCare! 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:10
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     Get that AppleCare away from me! It's smelly!" 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:15
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     Jonathan tweeted at us and included a link to a YouTube video, which I will include in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:20
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     the show notes, and Jonathan said, "I stayed up until 3am for this. Should the other person 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:25
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     Jonathan, why? I hope you had other things going on. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:29
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     Me too. Should Apple Watch not animate back an hour more elegantly? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:34
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     So what Jonathan I believe is in the UK and you guys just had your time change, we don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:38
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     have ours until this week. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:39
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     Well somewhere, maybe in the UK, somewhere in Europe. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:42
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     Okay somewhere in Europe, alright. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     wanted to change, anyway. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     For the trick-or-treaters, Myke, it's to keep the trick-or-treaters safe. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That is a... we're not gonna go down this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That is actually the reason. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That is actually the reason. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Okay, anyway. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I hate this, by the way. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because right now we're a week off. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So you go in a week. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The worst one is on the other side of the year where it's three weeks of difference. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it's everything goes later. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Everything is earlier for me now. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I'll complain about that in about six months time. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     What happens is... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like clockwork. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This isn't like clockwork, what happens on the Apple Watch. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's like the opposite of clockwork. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So what happens is when the time changes, there's no animation, so it just goes from 
     
     
  
 
 
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     three to two in like a flash. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If you have ever changed time zones, so you've maybe flown somewhere and seen what happens 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to your Apple Watch, it's the same thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So when I got off the plane and my phone came back to life, there wasn't a delightful spinning 
     
     
  
 
 
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     animation or anything like that where the watch finds its new time it just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     goes and like just in a quick of a flash and then it's just the new time and I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     really feel like they could animate it because the animation exists because the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     animation happens when you go into the changing watch faces thing because it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     always goes to that standard watch time of like what is it nine minutes past 10 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and then when you put it back in again it all kind of just flows back you know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     if all the hands move until it goes back to the correct time yeah you're right 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:18
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     But they don't do this for time zone changes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I really wish that they would. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - I agree with you. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It would be fun. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:25
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     Maybe they could even do it where you actually see 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the minute hand rotate all the way around. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like an old time movie of like the passage of time. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     (mimics music) 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:06:38
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     That would be fun. - I think that would be nice. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know why you wouldn't do that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I feel like you should just do that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because it's one of those things. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:45
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     - It's just a little touch. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:48
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     It's like the Steve Jobs thing about how you make the wood on the back, on the furniture 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that goes against the wall, you make the back look good even though nobody's going to see 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it because it's just a little detail and it's not going to be appreciated by a lot of people. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:00
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     But in this case, you're exactly right. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:02
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     They already have an animation to do this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:03
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     Why wouldn't you do that? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:04
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     Because people are changing time zones all the time. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They're probably not staring at their watch at two in the morning or three in the morning, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     whatever it is, in order to watch their watch change automatically during a daylight saving 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:17
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     switch over but still if they are, reward them. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:22
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     Yeah, but also I feel like any time somebody changes time zone on a plane, they will always 
     
     
  
 
 
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     look at their watch to ensure that it's changed. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:32
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     That's true. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:33
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     So I reckon a large majority of people see that non-animation happen. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:39
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     Time zone gate. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's starting right here. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:41
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     If anybody out there is working in the watch team, could be, you now know this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:47
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     So if you change it, I'll know you did it for me. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:07:50
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     Just want you to know that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:51
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     I'll know and we will have that link forever. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:55
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     I will point out that Apple has struggled with time zones on iOS for a while now and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     daylight savings time and alarms being broken and stuff like that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:04
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     So the fact that it worked, don't get me wrong, very happy that it worked, but I would like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this animation. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Jason, Ed wrote in to ask if your photos book 
     
     
  
 
 
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     contains any tips on transitioning from Lightroom, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:16
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     and if not, is there a resource that you recommend? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:18
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     - Why did you read this one? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:21
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     - Because if it doesn't, I still wanted to plug your book. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:25
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     If it does, we're plugging your book. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:27
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     - Thanks for asking, Ed. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:29
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     No, my book contains nothing about Lightroom. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:33
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     I've not heard from a lot of people 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:36
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     transitioning from Lightroom to photos. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:38
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     that's actually kind of a new one to me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:40
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     I don't use Lightroom even though I have it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:42
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     because I have the Adobe Photoshop, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:44
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     you know, photos bundle for Creative Cloud. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:46
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     So I don't use it and I don't know anything about it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:49
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     And I don't know if somebody like Jeff Carlson 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:52
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     might have a resource because he's very knowledgeable 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:55
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     in all things Mac photography. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:56
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     He may have something like that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:59
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     But I dove deep into photos and I dealt with some aperture 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:03
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     and I photo things 'cause there are direct imports 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:06
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     from those, whereas from Lightroom, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:08
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     there's nothing supported that's direct. So that is not one of the things that's included 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:13
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     in my book, "Photos for Mac" a Take Control Crash Course available at takecontrolbooks.com. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:18
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     Freshly upgraded for El Capitan. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:20
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     So this is the thing, I expected it didn't, but wanted to just give you the moment to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:25
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     plug the book, you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:27
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     Thanks, Myke. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:28
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     There you go. So would you suggest to our lovely listener, Ed, that he considers this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:34
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     move? Because you're gonna be losing a lot right? Because Lightroom is in active 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:40
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     development, like if you move to photos you'll be losing some stuff. I don't know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:44
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     enough about what Ed's needs are. He may be using Lightroom and thinking it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:48
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     overkill and then he'd rather just go back to photos. That's possible. But you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:52
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     know photos, my impression of photos is that it's still not anything remotely 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:56
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     close to a professional photography tool. It's got some more stuff now but you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:01
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     know people coming from Aperture were generally kind of disappointed and I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:04
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     I think that coming from that direction, you're going to notice a lot of things that are missing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:09
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     in a way that people coming from iPhoto don't notice. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:13
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     So I don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:16
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     It depends a lot on what Ed's, you know, why he wants to switch and what he uses this stuff 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:10:22
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     But bottom line, Photos does a great job of importing files into its database. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:28
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     And so, you know, and it will read out your metadata from your files. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:34
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     So if Lightroom, if your photos that are in Lightroom have their data embedded in them, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:40
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     you know, their location data and stuff like that, it should read those. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:44
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     I'm not sure if you can write in like keywords and things like that and there's no other 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:48
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     kind of import process, nor is there enough scripting access, I believe, to make that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:55
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     an easier process, unfortunately. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:57
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     Okay. And finally today @tomato_trucks, which is fun, wanted to know if the Apple Watch 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:05
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     was, Edition was cheaper, say the price of a regular Apple Watch, would we prefer it to our 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:11
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     current watch? So I don't think I would like the gold shiny watch. Like if I did like a gold watch, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:17
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     I could buy the gold sport, right? Now that we have the gold sport, yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:21
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     Yeah. I don't really want that. What do you think? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:24
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     I agree with you. I don't think I want a heavier watch and the gold watches are heavier and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:35
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     gold's not gold's not my thing but if I did want to go watch now I'm glad that I've got 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:40
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     the option I could get the gold sport if I wanted to do that so so no I I don't think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:46
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     I would want it I then again I have the sport I don't even have the regular with the stainless 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:51
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     so yeah well there you go no no gold watches here sorry you don't you don't have to apologize 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:00
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     unless unless someone in that watch team i just mentioned was already getting ready to ship us 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:06
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     some if you are a person in send it along yeah feel free still like i i could you know hand it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:13
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     down as an heirloom christopher walken style to my kids in the future yeah it's not it's not for me 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:20
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     Jason that's brought us to the end of this week's episode. I think so. I think we did it 60 60 down 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:24
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     Look at that. Look at that 60 in just over 60 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:27
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     If you want to find us online, it's a couple places you can do that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:30
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     You should go to six colors dot-com and you can find all of Jason's lovely work 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:35
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     And if you are listening live or very very quickly 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:38
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     Then you'll be able to catch the earnings and announcements stuff that you're gonna be doing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:43
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     Maybe we'll talk about it next week if there's any really really interesting tidbits 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:46
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     They'd have to be really interesting for us to talk about them a week later, but probably will be interesting anyway 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:51
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     Maybe some of the this is Tim type stuff could be a discussion. We'll see but you should go over there 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:58
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     Again, you should also if you're listening very quickly follows six colors event 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:02
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     Yes, yes that also locked in my brain Jason. I've got it all locked down here and you can also follow Jason 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:10
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     He is at Jason L. Twitter J S N E double L and I am at I Myke I am y ke 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:16
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     Thanks again to our sponsors, Braintree, Igloo and Mailroute Mailbagging and we'll be back next time. Until then, say goodbye Jason Smale. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Goodbye everybody.