60: Very Nice Button
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From Relay FM, this is Upgrade, and this is episode number 60. Today's show is
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brought to you by the great people over at Braintree, Igloo, and Mail Route. My
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name is Myke Hurley, and I'm joined by Mr. Jason Snell.
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Hello, Mr. Myke Hurley. How are you, sir? It's good to be back. In the intervening
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time between between our this episode and the previous episode, we saw each
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other. Yes it's like we recorded many episodes of upgrade but nobody can hear
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them. No we didn't record them we just performed them. Performed them, yes.
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Privately. We did we were you and Steven and underscore David Smith were on
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clockwise last week. That was a great episode actually. That was a lot of fun
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and it was the only podcast recorded by us at release notes we didn't do a
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liftoff we didn't do an upgrade just that clockwise. Boy did that feel good to
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not have to worry about the scheduling whilst on a little trip. But that
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was a nice nice episode of Clockwise if you have not heard Clockwise before you
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should start episode 109. Yeah that's a great place to start there's very little
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continuity in Clockwise you can just dip in you have 30 minutes you could listen
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to it. Indeed it's easy easy easy peasy. Should we do some follow-up? I think that would be
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great. So last week we were talking a lot about Force Touch and yeah me and you
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were both basically lamenting the development of OS X in this regard and saying it seemed
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that the tools weren't there and/or the activity wasn't really there. And Abby wrote a great
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email to us. And Abby wrote in and they included a bunch of different scenarios that could
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Yeah, he is--Abby is a--is a--like a power--a power user and I actually exchanged email
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with him about this because--and I think--I think it's really interesting. He--so what
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what he said is that he wants to be fast and do things as quickly as possible. And I thought
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it was really interesting. He doesn't like the fact that there are some of the shortcuts
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where you kind of click for a little bit and then let go and wait, and then something happens
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like to rename a file. It's like, it takes too long. It's sort of John Siracusa-like.
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It's like, I don't want to wait. I just want it to happen right now. Right? And so I get
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where he's coming from. But what's interesting is the things, the point was, "Oh, you guys
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are selling Force Touch on OS X short, look at all these things it does." And we can go
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through them, but I think I actually mentioned all of these, but we can get into that. Do
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you want to go through the list here with me?
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David: Yeah, I want to mention a couple of these because I pulled out some that I thought
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were quite interesting. So, for example, you can force touch a document name to rename
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>> Right. Right. Right. I mean, you can also just click on it for like a second and let
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go and the rename box will appear or you can press return, which is what I do. I find that
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a lot of my mouse gestures that I think of as mouse gestures are actually mouse and keyboard
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gestures. And, you know, it's nice that you can do that entirely with a mouse, although
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then you have to type the name. So your fingers are on the keyboard anyway. But you can't
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can do that and I did not know that that one forced open the rename in the finder immediately.
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I didn't realize that it did that. So that is a nice little tip. I don't notice that
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because like I said I'm selecting and hitting return and that's muscle memory from a long
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time ago. But that's a good one.
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>> You can quit local document by just pushing down into it. Although I have found in test
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testing and planning around it today when you use column view like I do what you end
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up mostly doing is activating the renaming of the file name.
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Yeah, right, because it's different whether you force touch on the name or on the icon.
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Yeah, and obviously the majority of the clickable area is the name of the file.
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In that view, yeah.
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But it is possible if you don't click in there, but you can do that, so.
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And that one is one of those that I roll my eyes at a little bit, because again, for me,
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you can do that or you can just press the space bar, which, yeah, it's just a little
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different gesture to click and then tap a key versus not, but fair point.
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So you can do a type of peak as well, so like you have peak and pop on iOS, so if you force
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touch on a link in any WebKit view, so Slack for example counts as this, it kind of shows
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you a preview of the web page.
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And this is in the category of most of the ones that Abhi mentioned, which is what I
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referred to last week as the three-finger click shortcut.
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Apple at some point added this three-finger click, which is basically like a bunch of
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extra stuff that isn't in a control click, and they wanted another gesture for it.
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And so on systems that don't have a Force Touch trackpad and have a trackpad, it's the
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three-finger click.
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So that web page preview is the repurposed three-finger click that I mentioned last week.
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On a word, you get the dictionary definition on an address.
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with the Apple Data Detectors technology that's got like an address will show maps, that's
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all coming from that same thing that's the it's the repurposed three-finger click gesture.
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So this is the thing right so there is some stuff here but I think this is where the problem
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lies in that on iOS a lot of the stuff that is behind Force Touch is stuff we couldn't
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get to before stuff that was created is stuff that didn't exist but on OS X it is more of
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a repurposing of features that are already there and are already perfectly accessible
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using the tools that currently exist.
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So I think you end up with two issues.
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One, I'm not going to do most of these because my muscle memory is in the other way of doing
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And the other is, it's not very exciting because it's not enhancing functionality in any way,
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it's just giving me a different way to trigger certain functionality.
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>> Yeah, also this goes back to, again, we did talk about this yesterday, or last week,
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but it's follow-up. This is the challenge that on the iPhone, what you're talking about
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is secondary. It's a secondary form of input. And here we already have the keyboard and
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we have a right click. I mean, there's so many things that have already been wired in.
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And I think the most important thing is that we already have a secondary click. And it's
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the right click or control click or I do it all two-finger click now because I've been
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using the trackpad for so long. So that means that all this other stuff, you know, Apple
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did come up with some of these features and you see them, and these are the ones that
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Avi mentioned, a lot of them, in this three-finger click thing that they created or tap, but
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they are all, it's just kind of a collection of extra stuff because the main thing is you
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get a contextual menu with all the most important things when you do your secondary click. So
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So this is this tertiary click that--I don't know, this is what I was trying to say last
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week and if I wasn't as clear, then just to restate it a little bit, the challenge on
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the Mac is finding what is the unifying principle of what a force touch, a force click does
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on the Mac, and have it available and have it be understandable and unified and the challenge
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there is that you also have a right click and that you can't count on force click being
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a thing. So I just think it's a work in progress. But while there are these things that have
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been around for a while for this third click that Apple kind of introduced for the trackpad
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a few years ago, the challenge is that it's kind of all over the place. So that's my frustration
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here is that I'm not sure there's--I don't want to say that it's easy, because it's not.
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It was much easier in that way to put it in iOS, because iOS could really use a second
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kind of interaction there. On the Mac, we've already got an alternate click and we've already
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got keyboard shortcuts. So, you know, it's not an easy problem to solve, but I've never
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thought that the three finger shortcut stuff made was really unified in any way and it
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seemed to only be limited to a few features.
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>> I just realized something. We were complaining and bemoaning the naming issue, 3D touch and
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Force Touch. It's actually three names, right? Force Touch, Force Click, and 3D Touch.
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Well, Force Click isn't—that's just a thing you do in a Force Touch trackpad, right? I
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think Force Touch is still the feature name, and then there's an action name, which is
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the Force Click. It's confusing, because I was—we were debating this when we were updating
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my book about photos for Mac. We had a section in there about photos on iOS, and we're
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debating what the verb is for when you when you 3d touch something. Are you 3d touching
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it or are you using 3d touch to press on something as opposed to tap? It looks like in a lot
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of Apple's documentation they actually do use the word press and it seems to be differentiated
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from tap but it's weird. It's weird stuff. So there's a lot going on here like what's
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the feature called, what's the verb that describes when you use it. It's all over the place.
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still figuring it out I think all of us. Yeah I just got sent some breaking news
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Jason Snow. Oh yeah. Google is bringing podcasts to play music. Well we've been
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we've been talking about that for quite a while now that well there were lots of
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rumors that they were working on on podcast stuff because they're they're
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behind and I was telling somebody I think it might have even been at release
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notes when we were talking about the the fears of a gatekeeper in in podcasting
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thing, the idea that Apple built this thing, and I think all the stats show that iOS devices
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are vastly more likely to listen to podcasts than Android devices. And one of the reasons
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is that Apple's been pushing podcasting for quite a while. So very interesting, a little
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real-time breaking news.
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Something for us to look out for and deal with and change all of our processes.
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hopefully not hopefully not too much right hopefully this is hopefully this
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is just another like another directory which I think would be would be great
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yeah that's what I hope it is and I hope that they are completely compliant of
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all of the standards that everybody else is using because Apple don't ask you to
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do anything specific in the feeds for example they're very good at that the
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stuff you can do you can do extra things you don't need to do any of them so I
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I hope that it remains to be that way. Yeah. We'll have to wait and see. So maybe we'll
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follow up on that a little bit later. I wanted to do a few pieces of Back to the
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Future follow-up. Alright. So we totally called the USA Today cover. So on
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Thursday October 22nd, which made sense because it was the newspaper was the day
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after the day that Marty and the doc went to, right? So they arrived on
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October 21st 2015 but the newspaper was the next day's newspaper so on October
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22nd 2015 in the real world USA Today did a wrap of their newspaper with the
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front page of the USA Today from Back to the Future 2 and then on the back page
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they had an ad for the 30th anniversary edition and also for the Michael J Fox
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Foundation. I was luckily in the United States of America and I got one and I'm
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very very happy that I have one because this is a really nice kind of little
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memento of the movie. But I thought it was funny because we said they should do
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this, it'd be great if they did this," and then they did it.
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Yeah, that's cool. We called it. We were all at the release notes conference when this
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day happened, which was kind of fun. You put some slides in your presentation, you were
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giving the presentation that day, so that was a lot of fun too. Yeah, we did it. There
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was a couple people were asking about the mic at the movies feed on the incomparable
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and what the difference is, and I guess we should restate that, that again, the idea
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is that we're not going to have new stuff in that feed. That feeds just going to be
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the excerpts about movies from relay shows where you're talking with me and Casey and
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who knows who else if ever about about movies and they'll they'll all get excerpted later
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over 30 days later at the mic at the movies feed at the incomparable but it's not meant
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to be like a new podcast where you watch a movie every week it's it's literally like
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a place you can go if you just want to listen and I've heard from people who said oh yeah
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I just listen to this one because I think sometimes you miss you miss it or you're listening
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to a tech podcast and then you get 90 minutes in and they start talking about a movie and
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you're like, yeah, well, I don't have time to listen to this right now. So having it
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as another place you can go on demand or you know, not digging back into our archives where
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we're talking about news from a year ago.
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And talking about the incomparable on the way home on the plane. I listened to episode
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41 where you all discussed it was that you Dan Morin Dan Morin Dan Frakes Lex and Serenity
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yeah you spoke you did like an episode about all three which is quite funny back to the
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future movies so still early on in the incomparable when you did three movies in one episode and
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I really enjoyed listening to it but the thing that I found the funniest about it all was
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your opinions were the same, to the point that you even said, I can't remember what
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it was, but you said some of the same stuff.
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Which is just fantastic, right?
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That your opinion maintained all this stuff.
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My opinion hasn't changed in the last four years, no.
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And it just really made me smile, but it's a great episode, and I enjoyed it very much,
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and it was fun to hear everybody talk about this stuff.
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I assume that you experience this when you're editing podcasts, that you're listening to
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the conversation, and you have this thought of what you think about what was just said,
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and then you hear your own voice on the podcast say exactly that. That happens to me all the
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time where I laugh and I hear myself laughing the same laugh at the same time as I'm playing
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it back because I've responded to that statement in exactly the same way. Just, you know, I
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did it four days ago and I did it again when I played it back. It's funny. Weird.
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Yeah. And talking about things that I did on the plane back to the future related, I'm
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like 15 minutes away from finishing I need to finish it a fantastic
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documentary that I backed on Kickstarter called Back in Time which is a documentary
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about it's kind of interviews with the cast and creators of Back to the Future
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in part one of the documentary it's like a two-part documentary but it's all in
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one part where they just split the two hours into two one hours or whatever and
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then the other part is like about the fans of the movie and it's just
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fantastic if you are a Back to the Future fan you should go and rent or buy
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this this movie it was really really good and I enjoyed it immensely so I
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double thumbs up on that one all right I have to check it out yeah you really
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should it's fantastic it really really is fantastic and now it's it's out it's
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you can rent it you can buy it and you just go to their website which is
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backintimefilm.com and you'll see in there the secret cinema event they did
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that I went to in London they shot some footage of that so you get to see what
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that's like and they did a good job of capturing just how special a thing that
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was. So I really thoroughly recommend it. It's an excellent watch.
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Alright I think we've come to the end of the follow-up for this week so let's take our
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So Jason, in between our last episode and this episode, Star Wars tickets were released.
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Did you buy any?
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I actually, it's funny, I had to think about it because I didn't, when everybody was freaking
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out about Star Wars tickets. Oh, they're on sale, they're on sale, I can't get them, the
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site's crashed. I went and I put in our zip code and it brought me to a page that said,
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well, it's playing in downtown San Francisco and it's playing in Emeryville and it's playing
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in, I don't know, Daly City or something like that. Not where I live, just things that are
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close-ish but not where I live. I was like, all right, well, something's going on here,
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I'm not gonna go, you know, take my family into the city on a Thursday night to see a
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movie that's not gonna happen. All the traffic, parking problems, things like that, it's not
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gonna happen. The next morning I went back on the site just thinking, "Well, you never
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know." I've seen that happen in the past where they add sort of other theaters later, and
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sure enough the big single screen movie theater, reputed to be George Lucas's favorite movie
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theater here in Marin County had been added and the Thursday at 7 p.m. show was available
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and so I bought four tickets. So the family is going, my daughter has finals the next
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day, I don't care. We're all gonna go. We'll be home by 930, it's fine. She'll get some
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sleep if she's gonna need to do her studying before we go to the movie, that's what's gonna
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have to happen. But yeah, we're gonna do it. So the way I figure it, I'm gonna see it on
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the 17th, but because of time zones and many other reasons, you will be seeing it before
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>>ANDREW Yes, well, not only is it time zones, it is coming out a day earlier in the UK.
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>>DAVID Right.
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>>ANDREW And so I'm going to see it on 11.30am on the 17th.
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>>DAVID Can you go see it on the night of the 16th?
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Did you have that option and then you bypassed it?
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>>ANDREW Yeah, we can go at midnight, but I don't want to do that because I don't need
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technically that's not the 16th and that's the 17th. And it comes out here in the United
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States starting at 7pm on the 17th. So I think technically it comes out in both countries
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on the 17th. Yeah, we're seeing it at 7pm on the night of the 17th.
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Maybe we can see, I'm going to find out if it's possible to buy tickets earlier.
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Because the midnight showings have proven so popular that they've started showing them
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earlier. So now you actually get most, for a lot of these wide releases that they expect
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a lot of people to come and see they extend the weekend essentially to Thursday night
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and that they actually put in two showings sometimes on Thursday night for these blockbusters
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to extend the weekend through, you know, it's Thursday night and all day Friday, Saturday,
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Sunday. So yeah, we're going at 7 p.m. on Thursday the 17th.
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Well that's interesting. However, kind of the official release is the day earlier.
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Is the 17th there and the 18th here, yeah. But it's a lie.
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Well I will be seeing it at 11.30am on the 17th.
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Yeah, well you'll have me beat by like a lot.
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Yeah, many, many hours.
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By like 14 hours or something like that.
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So like I could see it earlier but like I'm not...
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Yeah, so it starts with midnight showings here on the 17th.
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That's when we get it.
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So you can watch it at 0001 on Thursday the 17th.
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It doesn't seem like that there's any showings on the 16th.
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So my feeling is I want to see it at my local cinema so it doesn't take many hours out of
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It's not the best cinema but it's fine.
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And if I go at 11.30am on a Thursday afternoon or whatever day it is, Wednesday or Thursday
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afternoon, there's not going to be anybody else in the cinema, right?
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Or there'll be very very few people.
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So I'm just going to go and I'm going to see it and then I'm going to be happy.
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So that's what I'm going.
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11.30am on 17th and I'm going at that time in the morning because I want the maximum
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amount of time to gloat online that I've seen the movie without having to watch it at midnight.
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Because if I watch it at midnight I might be tired when I'm watching it and I really
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want to be like engrossed. And I've already booked my second viewing because the dinner
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is going to be away, she's going to be back home and when she comes home from Romania
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it for Christmas, we're gonna go see it together on New Year's Day.
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Wow, you have planned ahead.
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Well, she wants to see it, and I figure I might as well book tickets, because I have
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no idea how busy it's gonna be, right?
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Like, it could really pick up.
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It's just funny that you've bought tickets for a movie that doesn't--a showing of a movie
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that's not for more than two months.
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But you know, I have tickets for December as well.
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Mid-December, and it's not yet November.
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So it's pretty crazy. What a world we live in.
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Yes, it is funny when you think that I've already bought tickets for a movie in 2016.
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Yeah. You might have a problem.
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Yep. The problem is love, Jason.
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Talking about love, I have a new computer.
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Yes. It's time.
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It is time to talk about my iMac. As my Mac Pro sits here, very sad.
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So I set it up on Sunday. I started the setup process when I got home from
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Indianapolis because I figured I might as well just do it. So I was doing a
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migration. I did migration assistant. I did it by Thunderbolt which is fantastic.
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Absolutely fantastic. It migrated like I don't know like half a terabyte or
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something in about 45 minutes. But I have to say though, I have to say, this is my
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my current bugbear at the moment is Apple setup processes and I have another
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problem here Jason. The majority of apps that I downloaded from the App Store
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when I tried to launch them I was told they were damaged and had to be
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redownloaded. Oh yeah that's that same thing. Yep and you know what you have to
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do you have to delete the app put in your password because drag it to the
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trash put in your password and then redownload it but it doesn't tell you
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that right it just says damage redownload from the App Store so you go
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to the App Store and you can't redownload it just says open right
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because it's already installed so it's like another thing where it's like this
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is another problem that shouldn't happen and Apple don't give you any kind of
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guidance as to how you need to fix the issue so I had to just delete I've been
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I've been doing this over the last couple of days because as I'm launching
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apps right like oh it's damaged it's like great so delete this one put in my
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password to delete it go to the App Store redownload it it
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maintains all of my settings and stuff which is interesting I'm not really sure
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how that's happening right if I delete the app shouldn't everything go with it
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but I don't want to think about that so but that's just an annoyance I've had so
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that is basically the only annoyance that I have with this machine and it's
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more an OS it's definitely an OS X problem it's not a it's not an issue
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with the iMac. The screen is incredible. So you know I've been
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using retina machines for a while so the retina doesn't blow me away right
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because I know what that's like. Right but it's a lot a lot of retina though
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it's a whole lot of retina. That's what I love about it. So it's the resolution so
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So I have it on the one up from best or no.
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I have it, so you know, if you've got five settings isn't there?
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If you choose scaled, there's the default setting which is not scaled.
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And then there's two larger text settings and two more space settings.
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So I have it on the, in the middle between default and more space.
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looks like 2880 by 1620, it says.
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Yeah, we'll go with that.
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That is one of the two settings I use. Sometimes I use that setting, most of the time I stay
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with the default, but sometimes I feel like I have too much going on and I want a little
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Why do you go with default?
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Because I'm 45 years old and having everything be a little bit smaller has its disadvantages.
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Yep, I get that.
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And because on a 27 inch computer, I don't often feel like I need more space. Also, a
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lot of what I'm doing, you know, is writing things. Those are little windows with text
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in them. They don't need to be, you know, I don't need huge amounts of space for stuff
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like that. So, you know, I go back and forth, but I find myself just staying with the defaults
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a lot, mostly because I don't feel like I need more space most of the time.
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So in the chat room, Skeeman has asked about the specs. I thought I'd just run over quickly what I did get.
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So, a 27 inch Retina 5K iMac with a 4 gigahertz Intel Core i7, 16 gigabytes of RAM and a 1 terabyte SSD.
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I'll just run over that again. Very happy with that.
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One of the things that I've noticed with the screen which is fantastic is how great it makes split-screen mode
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because you could just have because the apps are just
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So large right in full screen
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But it was actually with the setting I have you put them into split-screen and you can see so much of the content, right?
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Which is fantastic and that also in a funny way has made me excited for the iPad Pro
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Because I can see the benefit of like two basically full screen applications side by side
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Because I always felt like with my Mac Pro and also on my retina MacBook
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That I could use apps side by side, but they were always felt constrained in some way
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But on this machine it they do not feel constrained in any way
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I feel like I have two full-size apps side by side, which is great
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Yeah, I I don't know sometimes
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sometimes there are certain cases where I feel like it's good, but most of the time
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I feel like the screen is so big that I don't need to go into split view, because first
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off I could probably have more than two windows open. Like, it's such a big screen that two
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windows open at once isn't--that's sort of like too much even then that you really need
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to subdivide it further, and most of the ways I work I've got more than two things open.
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occasionally I'll find a really good use for it, but I feel like it's, for me, I'm more
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likely to do it on a small screen because two things side by side on an 11-inch MacBook
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Air makes sense, and when I have two things side by side on my Retina iMac, I think I
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could have more things here. That makes sense to me.
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Yeah. I mean, I use full screen though, right? Like I am a full screen person.
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So that's why this makes more sense to me. So like I have
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It does make more sense than full screen on the 27 inch.
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So I have Chrome in full screen constantly right?
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And if I'm filling in maybe a Google doc or something or when I was doing our show notes
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today I put notes on the right side where I'd been taking some notes and then I had
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Chrome on the left side and I was just copying and pasting in some things.
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I am one of the full screen people.
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I like to have things in full screen.
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I have a lot less in full screen, pretty much the only app that is always, well I have two
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apps always in full screen, Google Chrome and iTunes, and I will sometimes throw
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something else into full screen. But since I started using the Mac Pro
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with the 25-inch monitor, I started to put less into full screen than before. So
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like I have two desktops, one which is my audio desktop, which has all the
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recording stuff and where I edit, and I have my kind of work desktop which has
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all of my other apps in. But I do like to use full screen, like for example when I
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was working on my presentation keynote was in full screen. When I'm in an
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app like that I do quite like it. The speakers are fantastic. Coming from
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the Mac Pro which is like it basically feels like it has like an iPhone speaker
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in it. Like the Mac Pro speakers are horrific, the internal ones. They are
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really quiet, they sound terrible. Obviously with the Mac Pro not being
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directly in front of you it always sounds like it's to the side right or
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like underneath depending wherever you put the Mac Pro right because it's not
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the screen the speakers always gonna sound like the sounds always coming from
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wherever the speaker is which is usually not right in front of you and I know
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that a lot of people plug their computers into other speakers but I
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don't have that and don't really want that so but the speaker on this thing is
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incredibly loud and it sounds really really good and I'm very very happy
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about that. One, something that I also really like that probably nobody cares
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about, the power button is way easier to reach, it feels good to click. I do shut
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my Mac down every day. Yeah me too. That'd be crazy. Yeah I don't know why people, I
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know a lot of people do that, like just leave them sleeping or whatever, but I
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don't like to do it, I just like to turn it off, just turn it off. And it feels good,
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it starts up really fast. It doesn't even matter, it really doesn't
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matter to me. And I just think, just turn it off. I don't need it to be on, because
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if it's on, the USB pre is on, and I don't like to leave that on.
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I agree. Exactly right.
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I really don't want that on.
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Yeah, I don't want the USB interface on, I don't want my thunderbolt hub on, I don't
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want anything on. I want it off when it's off. And it's a nice feeling when I shut it
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down and everything kind of goes out and I'm like, I'm done, and I walk away. And if I
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need to come back, because I forgot something, oh no, I have to wait 20 seconds for it to
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up I mean it's almost no time at all so so yeah so I I start my day by pressing
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that that button along the back of a of the iMac too and it is it is satisfying
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so because on the Mac Pro it's in an awkward position around the back of the
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little cylinder thing and the click isn't very nice but on the iMac because
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the iMac so thin it's really easy to get to there and as it's really nice the
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button is just very nice a very nice button it's very satisfying to click it
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I won't do it now because it would turn my Mac off.
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Don't do it.
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Okay, so this might just be a placebo thing, but this feels faster than my Mac Pro.
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Now on paper it should be, because the processor is more powerful.
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But it might just be one of those things where I'm like, "New computers quick! Hooray!"
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However you slice it, the machine that I have sitting in front of me is a monster.
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Like, it's fantastic.
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It's really powerful.
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It is of course the most powerful machine that I've ever owned.
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And it feels that way.
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And I am very happy because the work that I do, there are bottlenecks.
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And this is the same with anybody that creates the type of stuff that we create.
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There are always bottlenecks, like bouncing or exporting and stuff like that.
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And this machine, it helps me edit podcasts quicker, it helps me reduce all of those loading
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not, you know, all of these things are like, you know, "Oh, what am I saving? Like, 10
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minutes or something? 5 minutes? A couple of minutes? 20 seconds? 10 seconds?" But it
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doesn't matter because in the aggregate this stuff adds up. And when I'm, you know,
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like, today I will be editing three podcasts in total. So all of that time
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saving is beneficial to me, and I like to have that, and I feel like I get that
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from this machine as well. Yeah, I think that most tests will indicate that the
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Mac Pro is still going to beat it for, you know, really threaded multi-core kind of tasks,
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but for a whole lot of tasks that aren't aggressively throwing threads out onto all of those processor
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I share your feelings.
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I was coming from a MacBook Air, so like you, I was coming from a device that had an SSD,
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so that wasn't it.
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SSD you've got the new, you know, whatever it is, two and a half times higher bandwidth
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SSD on top of it. So yeah, it should feel fast. It's not as dramatic as going from like
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a spinning hard drive to an SSD, but still, it's a good thing. You're all SSD, is that
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>> Yeah, 100%. So it was expensive because I bought the terabyte, but I don't currently
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have like an external storage solution, which I feel like I should get, but...
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Yeah, I have one of those.
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Yeah, do you have a Drobo?
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I have a Drobo, yeah, and I have a half a terabyte of SSD.
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What do you think about the Drobo?
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Because I have some people tell me to go Synology, some people tell me to go Drobo,
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and I'm not sure.
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So I don't think I have an official, like, an official recommendation about any of that,
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and we can talk about this on another show.
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Boy, that worked wonders for the ATP guys.
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guys. They talked about Synology and Drobo for like 80 episodes. It varies based on your
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needs. I have also heard people say that they love Drobo and people who've had a lot of
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problems with it. I've had it for a year and had no problems with it at all. I do back
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it up, but it's also got the redundancy on its own hard drives. So theoretically, if
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one of the mechanisms fails, I can just pop it out and put in a new one. And I like that.
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Mine is a Thunderbolt Drobo.
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It's actually attached to my Mac Mini, so it's not a NAS.
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It's just an external drive on my Mac Mini that runs.
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That runs all the time, and that's my server.
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And I have a server that runs all the time, so it works for me.
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Whereas for some people, it makes more sense to have something that's a network-attached
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device that's just a huge disk.
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But I've got it, you know, it's on gigabit Ethernet here in my house.
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So I'm moving just today.
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I posted episode six of the "Incomparable Radio Theater," and that was a project, episode
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four and six because it's the same cast, we're one big project, and it was kind of nice to
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be able to move that off of my iMac and to the Drobo, and it was, whatever it was, copying,
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I don't know, 20 gigabytes of data. I mean, it was a lot of data, a lot of data, and to
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see it kind of just move off of my drive via gigabit Ethernet to a server where it will
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live and be backed up and has some redundancy is kind of nice. And then I keep my workspace,
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see how much I've got like 40 gigs free right now on my on my iMac itself for
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local stuff so I I shuttle things back and forth sort of as I'm working on them
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but I'm very unless I'm encoding video I very rarely get to the point where I run
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out of space but I know it's it's really nice to have a big server somewhere
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where you can dump your files when you're done with them yeah no I just
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haven't decided on a solution yet yeah no it's it's a tough one I feel like
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it's I feel like it's kind of shifting and people have said for a while now
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that it wouldn't be nice if there was a more consumer-friendly kind of server idea. And
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I think everybody decided that it wasn't worth it because internet connections are getting
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faster and cloud storage is cheap. And so people are sort of assuming that like in the
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next five or 10 years, you won't need to worry about it. The problem is that's five or 10
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years away and people who have connectivity issues, which you do, you don't have a super
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fast internet connection. You want to have storage locally. And so since there's no,
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you know, the investment here has been a lot less than you might expect given that there
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is probably an easier way to solve this. But there are products out there. And you know,
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I do recommend you getting something, whether it's a NAS like the Synology or Drobo makes
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a NAS version or whether it's something like a, you know, a big attached storage device
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of some kind. I don't know, there are lots of the-- I agree with you, I ended up with
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the Drobo through a chain of circumstances that you know but it fit my
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it fit my needs but I am happy that I've got this giant like 20 terabytes or
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whatever it is 15 terabytes of data sitting across the room for me. That's
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nice. That's a good feeling. Yeah, I'll say I just it's one of those things I
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just don't know what to do. I mean as well like it's fine at the moment like I
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don't mind kind of trashing logic files after a couple of months when they're in
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the shows that are topical so they're out of date right like we're never gonna
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go back and do them again but like yeah I've got 105 gigabytes of clockwise
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episodes that I could trash and you don't need to be fine yeah I don't think
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the mp3 files live in multiple places I have backups of those but not the logic
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files but shows where the content is more evergreen I do keep the logic files
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files. It's like, for example, Cortex, I have all of those. I have the inquisitive ones
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and stuff like that, like I keep those. But like this show, we don't really need it after
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a couple... Like I do it every, like maybe every quarter, I kind of bin the previous.
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So like after a few months, if I'm not needed, I probably won't need it again. And I'm sure
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someday that will come back to bite me, but right now that's provided to be fine.
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Oh, I wanted to mention before we move on, since we're talking about SSDs and devices
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and things like that, I wanted to mention, so my mother had a mid-2009 MacBook Pro, and
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I used this for some of my device testing last week.
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And I realized that what I need to do is get rid of it.
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So what I did was I actually bought an SSD and more RAM and eight gigs of RAM and opened
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ended up last week and what was amazing is this six-year-old computer felt just unusable
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even even a year or two ago when my mom was still using it and she switched to an iPad.
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It was just so slow and awful and it thought occurred to me when I was reviewing that 4k
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iMac which has the spinning hard drive and I thought spinning hard drive is the problem
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so I replaced that in this 2009 mid-2009 13-inch MacBook Pro and it's great now I mean it's
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It's never going to be the same as a cutting-edge MacBook Pro that you'd buy today, but for
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120 bucks maybe, 110 bucks, I put in the SSD and now it's running El Capitan and it's got
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8 gigs of RAM and it's actually pretty great.
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So now I'm going to sell it to somebody because I think it would be a--I didn't want to sell
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somebody my mother's old slow awful computer but by replacing the disk and adding more
00:39:32
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them. It's a perfectly serviceable, cheap computer even though it's five years old,
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six years old. So that's a little story. Yeah. Bottom line, on modern computers, the disk
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is the thing that is going to kill you. The disk is, you got to, that's, just don't buy
00:39:51
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a spinning disk if you can help it. And if you have to buy a spinning disk, buy a fusion
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drive. But yeah, it's just, they're so slow. Even the fast ones are slow. And in an iMac
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or a laptop, it's usually not the fast one.
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Yeah, and it's weird how we made such, or Intel, not we, there was nothing to do with
00:40:10
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it, made such massive jumps in processor technology, right, with all the core stuff, and it really,
00:40:18
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it became quite a thing, and we made massive jumps and continued to make massive jumps.
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this stuff, like the storage stuff, really it didn't kind of like go
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along with it, you know? SSDs are fantastic but I bet there's still a
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bottleneck. But you know if you're still looking at computers today that are
00:40:42
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being sold new with hard disks in them, that's a problem. As we have many
00:40:49
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other people have lamented in what I am dubbing the year of storage whoa with Apple.
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Alright we'll take it.
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If you think about the 16GB iPhones, the fact that the iPad Pro is 32 or 128, you've got
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the Apple TV, like why is it in two different storage solutions, nobody understands which
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one to buy, and then you have spinning disks in iMacs.
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2015 is the year of storage problems.
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Great uneasiness in storage-related issues for Apple this year.
00:41:25
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All right, let's talk about these magic devices and my opinions on those.
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But before we do that, let me take a moment to thank our friends over at Igloo for sponsoring
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Magic devices. I bought all of them, right?
00:44:10
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I didn't even take the mouse out of the packaging.
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I decided it's got nothing I need in it.
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Sounds about right. You could sell it.
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Yeah, I could sell it. I'll keep it, right?
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Because it's just there now. It's whatever.
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It came with the device for as much as I'm concerned.
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And mainly this is because I mentioned this.
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I'm going through some RSI problems right now.
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I'm switching around inputs and stuff like that and I know that the Magic Mouse
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is not going to be helpful in this scenario because it is not built for
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ergonomics, it is built for beauty. So I don't need to use it. I have a Magic
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Mouse that I use on my laptop when I'm on the road because it's nice and small
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and I get to use you know the gestures and stuff. So because I mean see for a
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trackpad, I mean trackpad is terrible, the mouse is pretty much just as bad so I
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just can kind of flick between them with different hands right so that's fine but
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I don't use that too much so I needed two keyboards right because I was doing
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moving documents with the migration assistant stuff from one machine to the
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other so great I had the new keyboard and I remember what Jason told me to do
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I just plugged it in right yep and it paired bingo excellent didn't need to go
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through the rubbish with it even in like the setup screens plugged it in plugged
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it in? Done. I do not like that keyboard at all. I really really don't like it.
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It's very pretty. I love the way it looks. But that key travel I cannot abide. It
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feels worse to me than my MacBook Pro keyboard and I mentioned this to Steve
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when I connected. It is. I know it is. Worse, just because the travel is
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different doesn't mean it's worse, right? It depends on where you come from. I find
00:45:54
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it worse. It is different, it's shallower, but I don't like it at all. Steven prefers
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it to his MacBook. Interesting. Because he's saying he likes the stability of the keys.
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People have opinions. Yeah, I mean because the keys aren't stable, I could feel that,
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but I felt like they weren't going anywhere. And I used the Microsoft Sculpt ergonomic
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keyboard. So it's very different. I mean I started using it for a moment, I was like
00:46:20
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this is just going to set my hands on fire, like to use this thing. Because again, not
00:46:24
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built for economics. But the key travel, I don't know what it is, but the key travel
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is quite deep on the Microsoft keyboard that I use. So I couldn't use it. But I tried it
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and it's very nice to look at, okay? But it's just not for me.
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Well, and there is nothing more personal than an input device, and especially a keyboard.
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There is no one right answer for what the best keyboard is. That's the funny thing is
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we have like all the jokes about Marco Arment and the MacBook, the adjective-less MacBook
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being having a bad keyboard and I don't like that keyboard either, but some people like
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it and that's fine because people's bodies are different and the needs that they've got
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for their devices are different and there is, you know, we don't live in a world where
00:47:14
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there's only one kind of keyboard to get and there's a reason for that and it's not because
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some people are wrong, it's because different keyboards work for different people.
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>>Yeah, they do.
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>>I'm still using it, although I'm gonna go back to my Logitech Easy Switch keyboard and
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try that and see how I like that and sort of do the reverse thing and see if I notice
00:47:36
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what's different going back to the one that I was using before I was using the Magic Keyboard,
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just to see.
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>>Yeah, I mean, I don't think I'm a good litmus test for this because I use a specific keyboard
00:47:47
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for a specific reason that the Magic keyboard is not built for. I have kept
00:47:55
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the Magic trackpad around though. I like the size and feel of it. I think it
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actually does look nicer than I expected. I still wish it was black to match the
00:48:06
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iMac. But it is good-looking. I like the the form factor that it kind of
00:48:14
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mirrors the IMAX screen like size right so it's not a square it is a
00:48:20
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rectangle which makes sense for mapping you know even though I know that it's
00:48:25
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like inertial and momentum based so you don't it's not directly mapped anyway
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but it just makes sense in my brain. Well you're moving around a wider an area
00:48:34
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that's wider than it is tall so your pointing device is wider than it is tall
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yeah which makes sense basically makes sense yeah. I am still having the issue
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with missed clicks. Now sometimes like if I'm clicking and dragging something, I do
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something maybe I don't press hard enough and it loses it. I've noticed this
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a couple of times moving documents around and moving logic around and
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things around in logic. Now maybe I'm more sensitive to this than other people,
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maybe I don't do a good enough job of clicking, but the thing was the old
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trackpad I never missed it because it was physical. So as long as I was keeping
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the pressure down it worked for me. Sometimes what I found is like maybe
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there's been a slight variation in the pressure and the trackpad believes that
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I've taken my that I've intended to stop this click and begin a new one. That's
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what I think is going on here. I never missed the old one right
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because I could like press down with my thumb and move with my finger and it was
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fine but there's something going on maybe like I'm pressing down my thumb
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and then pressing down too hard with my finger at a certain point and it's
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registering a new click but the physical trackpad on my MacBook Pro and on my
00:49:47
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well I used the previous magic trackpad I never had and this was never an issue
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like I never noticed myself doing something that was unintended when
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moving stuff around you know like that was never a thing before but this is the
00:50:01
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thing that I am seeing and I need to pay more attention to work out what I think
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think it's doing but basically my feeling of it is it's because it is not
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physical there is software or there is something that is trying to understand
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what I'm doing and it's when you take away that physical element it will in my
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opinion it will never be right a hundred percent of time because it's doing more
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judgment of the movement that I'm making rather than the movement I'm attempting
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to make. What I have noticed though is using my MacBook Pro trackpad is now
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less satisfying because I can't click anywhere I want. And I found that really interesting.
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Huh. You mean like the diving board thing where you can't click higher up?
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Yeah. So like it's not as easy to click in the top part, naturally, as it is in the bottom
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part, but that's not an issue on the Magic Trackpad, too. And click anywhere I like,
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right? And it registers just as nicely. So that is an interesting feeling.
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clicking is entirely done with my thumb so it's always at the bottom. Well that's
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how I always was but it's funny how in just a day or two it's changed that and
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then I used my MacBook Pro and was like oh I can't do that now.
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So found that very interesting to see. It is hilarious to me that it makes
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that clicking sound. And I did turn the clicking off but it still clicks
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anyway so I just left it on. It makes that vibration and the vibration makes a
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noise. It's just not the higher frequency click thing that they have a little speaker
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in there to fake for you.
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>> I think it's hilarious. I find it more, I encourage anybody that has one to turn the
00:51:46
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click off in system preferences so you can just hear the difference. It's funny to me.
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It sounds like an artificial click. It is a funny sounding click and I like that. And
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I kind of like that it does it.
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>> It's on the MacBook at least, I think has the same thing.
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>> Yeah, it would do. I assume that it would do.
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I have silent clicking turned on which isn't entirely silent but since I'm doing podcasts
00:52:06
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and things I figure the quieter the better so I have it turned off.
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I really like that you can turn it off and it breaks your brain you know because it's
00:52:18
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like it actually doesn't move.
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And oh yeah when you when you flip the switch and turn it off it just it's no longer responsive
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And that's something that I like to demonstrate to people in my family right so like I said
00:52:29
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to Adina like come here and click this and I turn it over click it now she's like oh
00:52:32
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it's just a funny little thing right it's it's nice um but yeah I look all in all like
00:52:38
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the magic trackpad is the winner for me uh because it actually does do some stuff to
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improve on the last one in ways that are meaningful to me like the size of it is nicer yeah the
00:52:49
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uh the overall package is nicer like it's I like how much lower it is to the desk um
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and I can see there being some benefits with the force touch stuff eventually but as I say
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the downside is removing the physical click I think does make the... it is less accurate
00:53:14
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and I think that's just the nature of moving it and the way that they're moving it
00:53:19
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but I do really like it but the other ones they're not for me. I can see that they are great for many
00:53:25
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people they're just not for me and especially the mouse because it's like
00:53:28
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all you've done is just make it rechargeable via a lightning cable so
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what I may do is I actually may replace the one that I currently use I just
00:53:37
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thought of doing that why don't I do that so I don't ever have to worry about
00:53:40
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rechargeable batteries again it's like the one that I keep in my travel bag I'm
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just gonna replace that so I'll just use the one because I always have a
00:53:47
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lightning cable in that bag right right I'll do that but yeah so that's one
00:53:51
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thing that I will do but aside from that it's not it's not massively useful for me
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to use every day. Perfectly reasonable. Apple TV went on sale, as you very rightly have
00:54:03
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written in a document, I don't care. I did order one. I did order one, I don't care about
00:54:08
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it, but I ordered it so I won't be sitting here going "Jason, what does it do?" I want
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to have one. That's a business expense. Yeah. But I really don't care. But I'm interested
00:54:21
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in seeing if you do?
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Yeah, well, I'm interested to see what it can do.
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I placed my order.
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the conference.
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I turned on the turn off airplane mode and it said on Twitter, "Oh, Apple TV orders are
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starting now."
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And I went to the Apple Store app and went, you know, boop, boop, boop, bought it.
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just while we were taxiing to the gate. It was pretty funny, the world we live in. So
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mine is coming early next week. I didn't pay extra for shipping. If they have them in stock
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at the Apple store, I might go up there if I can get one early, but otherwise I'll check
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it out next week and try it then. I got the smaller storage one because I don't--Apple
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seems to struggle with this, right? And we mentioned it--you mentioned it earlier in
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the year of Apple struggling with storage things, it's still really unclear about why
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there's a big one and a small one. And Apple's response was sort of like, "Well, if you've
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got lots of games, you might want to have the big one." And we may find out that there
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are some very specific things that are better on the big one where people start to load
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up on a lot of apps and they run out of storage space and they have to delete something, and
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we may find that. But right now it's kind of unclear, and I was trying to explain to
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to sort of regular people about why they're the two models
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and how they vary.
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And when I say, well, one of them has more storage
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and they say, well, does it matter?
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And I have to kind of shrug and go, I don't know.
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It may not matter, but I bought the smaller one.
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And we'll see.
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- Yeah, I mean, I really hope that there isn't a clear reason
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that one is better than the other
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that Apple isn't telling us yet,
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because that would super suck.
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Because their reason is just like, maybe you want more games?
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I don't know.
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I'm struggling to be interested in this device from a user perspective.
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Yeah, well, we'll see. We'll see what the deal is. I think apps will start to come out.
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I did hear from somebody who was doing a... had a developer unit. I forget. I'm not going
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to say who it was in case I did not talk to them on a podcast about it and it's not public,
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But the point was that the developer unit, you could swap it in for your regular old
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Apple TV, except for one problem, which is it didn't have any apps yet, right?
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Because like testing an iOS device, it doesn't have apps other than Apple's apps, which means
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that the old Apple TV came with YouTube at one point and Netflix, right?
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And the new one doesn't.
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The new one doesn't come with Netflix.
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You have to download the Netflix app, I believe, which is interesting.
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And so that's going to be a change too, is that you need to actually go and download
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the apps that you want to bring on board and use.
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But we'll see how it is.
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I'm looking forward to it.
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It should be kind of fun, play with the Siri stuff.
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But in the long run, I was telling somebody last week that my family that I was visiting,
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they were asking what box we had and what about the new Apple TV.
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I said, "Honestly, we don't use much of it because we use the TiVo and the TiVo has our
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TiVo not only record stuff off of TV, but it streams YouTube and it streams Netflix
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and Hulu and Amazon video." So I don't use my existing Apple TV very much and we'll see
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if this changes that.
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Uh, Brant said, "Is AppleCare worth it for the new Apple TV?"
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[imitates laser noises]
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Do you buy AppleCare for things, Myke?
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Uh, some things. I buy them for the phones because I could drop them and break them.
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Um, and I buy them for bigger computer purchases because they're expensive to replace.
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Maybe fixed, too.
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So I have AppleCare on the iMac and I have AppleCare on my iPhone.
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So what do you think for this?
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I would say no for the Apple TV because it's relatively inexpensive to replace and it stays
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Yeah, you're not carrying it around. It's also small, it's not particularly heavy,
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and yeah. And again, if it fails in the first whatever year or two, it's going to be covered
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by the standard warranty, so if there are production problems or something, you're going
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going to be covered regardless. I asked you that because I don't have AppleCare on anything.
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At all. I'm a bad person to ask about this. No, not at all. Interesting. Because yeah, I kind of
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follow one of those two things, right? So it's the idea of, it doesn't move around a lot, or is it
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really expensive? And if one of those answers is yes, then I will probably get AppleCare.
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Yeah, I'm an AppleCare Never. I don't know.
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I mean, it probably works out better for you in the long run, because the money you've
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saved on not buying AppleCare will do a replacement, where I've never taken anything in for a repair.
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But when I'm... it's like the same with me buying all those devices. When I'm spending
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a ridiculous amount of money on something, adding that price on usually isn't that much
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of the overall percentage of the price, you know?
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spending 700 pounds on a phone, adding another like 99 on for the protection of it doesn't
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seem too bad, you know?
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>> Yeah, it's fine. I get it. I just, at this point, I feel like I'm way ahead. But yeah,
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I've never had it. I don't know. If, you know, if I do the Apple, if I do that Apple phone
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replacement thing, that would be the first time. If I do that plan, which I probably
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probably won't, but if I did that, that would be the first time I'd had AppleCare.
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You could say, "No, I don't want it! You take that away from me!"
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That may be one of the reasons why I just buy the full-price phone instead of doing
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their installment plan. It's like, "I'm not paying for your AppleCare! I want your AppleCare!
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Get that AppleCare away from me! It's smelly!"
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Jonathan tweeted at us and included a link to a YouTube video, which I will include in
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the show notes, and Jonathan said, "I stayed up until 3am for this. Should the other person
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Jonathan, why? I hope you had other things going on.
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Me too. Should Apple Watch not animate back an hour more elegantly?
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So what Jonathan I believe is in the UK and you guys just had your time change, we don't
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have ours until this week.
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Well somewhere, maybe in the UK, somewhere in Europe.
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Okay somewhere in Europe, alright.
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Or maybe another part of the world because America decided a few years ago that they
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wanted to change, anyway.
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For the trick-or-treaters, Myke, it's to keep the trick-or-treaters safe.
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That is a... we're not gonna go down this.
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That is actually the reason.
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That is actually the reason.
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Okay, anyway.
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I hate this, by the way.
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Because right now we're a week off.
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So you go in a week.
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The worst one is on the other side of the year where it's three weeks of difference.
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And it's everything goes later.
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Everything is earlier for me now.
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I'll complain about that in about six months time.
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What happens is...
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Like clockwork.
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This isn't like clockwork, what happens on the Apple Watch.
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It's like the opposite of clockwork.
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So what happens is when the time changes, there's no animation, so it just goes from
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three to two in like a flash.
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If you have ever changed time zones, so you've maybe flown somewhere and seen what happens
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to your Apple Watch, it's the same thing.
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So when I got off the plane and my phone came back to life, there wasn't a delightful spinning
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animation or anything like that where the watch finds its new time it just
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goes and like just in a quick of a flash and then it's just the new time and I
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really feel like they could animate it because the animation exists because the
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animation happens when you go into the changing watch faces thing because it
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always goes to that standard watch time of like what is it nine minutes past 10
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and then when you put it back in again it all kind of just flows back you know
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if all the hands move until it goes back to the correct time yeah you're right
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But they don't do this for time zone changes.
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And I really wish that they would.
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- I agree with you.
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It would be fun.
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Maybe they could even do it where you actually see
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the minute hand rotate all the way around.
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Like an old time movie of like the passage of time.
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(mimics music)
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That would be fun. - I think that would be nice.
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I don't know why you wouldn't do that.
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I feel like you should just do that
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because it's one of those things.
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- It's just a little touch.
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It's like the Steve Jobs thing about how you make the wood on the back, on the furniture
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that goes against the wall, you make the back look good even though nobody's going to see
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it because it's just a little detail and it's not going to be appreciated by a lot of people.
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But in this case, you're exactly right.
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They already have an animation to do this.
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Why wouldn't you do that?
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Because people are changing time zones all the time.
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They're probably not staring at their watch at two in the morning or three in the morning,
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whatever it is, in order to watch their watch change automatically during a daylight saving
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switch over but still if they are, reward them.
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Yeah, but also I feel like any time somebody changes time zone on a plane, they will always
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look at their watch to ensure that it's changed.
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That's true.
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So I reckon a large majority of people see that non-animation happen.
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Time zone gate.
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It's starting right here.
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If anybody out there is working in the watch team, could be, you now know this.
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So if you change it, I'll know you did it for me.
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Just want you to know that.
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I'll know and we will have that link forever.
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I will point out that Apple has struggled with time zones on iOS for a while now and
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daylight savings time and alarms being broken and stuff like that.
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So the fact that it worked, don't get me wrong, very happy that it worked, but I would like
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this animation.
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- Jason, Ed wrote in to ask if your photos book
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contains any tips on transitioning from Lightroom,
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and if not, is there a resource that you recommend?
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- Why did you read this one?
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- Because if it doesn't, I still wanted to plug your book.
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If it does, we're plugging your book.
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- Thanks for asking, Ed.
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No, my book contains nothing about Lightroom.
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I've not heard from a lot of people
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transitioning from Lightroom to photos.
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that's actually kind of a new one to me.
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I don't use Lightroom even though I have it
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because I have the Adobe Photoshop,
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you know, photos bundle for Creative Cloud.
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So I don't use it and I don't know anything about it.
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And I don't know if somebody like Jeff Carlson
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might have a resource because he's very knowledgeable
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in all things Mac photography.
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He may have something like that.
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But I dove deep into photos and I dealt with some aperture
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and I photo things 'cause there are direct imports
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from those, whereas from Lightroom,
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there's nothing supported that's direct. So that is not one of the things that's included
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in my book, "Photos for Mac" a Take Control Crash Course available at takecontrolbooks.com.
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Freshly upgraded for El Capitan.
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So this is the thing, I expected it didn't, but wanted to just give you the moment to
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plug the book, you know?
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Thanks, Myke.
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There you go. So would you suggest to our lovely listener, Ed, that he considers this
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move? Because you're gonna be losing a lot right? Because Lightroom is in active
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development, like if you move to photos you'll be losing some stuff. I don't know
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enough about what Ed's needs are. He may be using Lightroom and thinking it's
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overkill and then he'd rather just go back to photos. That's possible. But you
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know photos, my impression of photos is that it's still not anything remotely
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close to a professional photography tool. It's got some more stuff now but you
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know people coming from Aperture were generally kind of disappointed and I
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I think that coming from that direction, you're going to notice a lot of things that are missing
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in a way that people coming from iPhoto don't notice.
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So I don't know.
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It depends a lot on what Ed's, you know, why he wants to switch and what he uses this stuff
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But bottom line, Photos does a great job of importing files into its database.
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And so, you know, and it will read out your metadata from your files.
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So if Lightroom, if your photos that are in Lightroom have their data embedded in them,
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you know, their location data and stuff like that, it should read those.
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I'm not sure if you can write in like keywords and things like that and there's no other
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kind of import process, nor is there enough scripting access, I believe, to make that
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an easier process, unfortunately.
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Okay. And finally today @tomato_trucks, which is fun, wanted to know if the Apple Watch
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was, Edition was cheaper, say the price of a regular Apple Watch, would we prefer it to our
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current watch? So I don't think I would like the gold shiny watch. Like if I did like a gold watch,
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I could buy the gold sport, right? Now that we have the gold sport, yeah.
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Yeah. I don't really want that. What do you think?
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I agree with you. I don't think I want a heavier watch and the gold watches are heavier and
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gold's not gold's not my thing but if I did want to go watch now I'm glad that I've got
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the option I could get the gold sport if I wanted to do that so so no I I don't think
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I would want it I then again I have the sport I don't even have the regular with the stainless
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so yeah well there you go no no gold watches here sorry you don't you don't have to apologize
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unless unless someone in that watch team i just mentioned was already getting ready to ship us
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some if you are a person in send it along yeah feel free still like i i could you know hand it
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down as an heirloom christopher walken style to my kids in the future yeah it's not it's not for me
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Jason that's brought us to the end of this week's episode. I think so. I think we did it 60 60 down
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Look at that. Look at that 60 in just over 60
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If you want to find us online, it's a couple places you can do that
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You should go to six colors dot-com and you can find all of Jason's lovely work
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And if you are listening live or very very quickly
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Then you'll be able to catch the earnings and announcements stuff that you're gonna be doing
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Maybe we'll talk about it next week if there's any really really interesting tidbits
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They'd have to be really interesting for us to talk about them a week later, but probably will be interesting anyway
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Maybe some of the this is Tim type stuff could be a discussion. We'll see but you should go over there
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Again, you should also if you're listening very quickly follows six colors event
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Yes, yes that also locked in my brain Jason. I've got it all locked down here and you can also follow Jason
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He is at Jason L. Twitter J S N E double L and I am at I Myke I am y ke
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Thanks again to our sponsors, Braintree, Igloo and Mailroute Mailbagging and we'll be back next time. Until then, say goodbye Jason Smale.
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Goodbye everybody.