The Incomparable

00:00:02 ◼   ► the incontrovertible numbers we January [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► 2n474 welcome back everybody to be [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► uncomfortable on your host Jason L we so [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► bad man won the tournament that we ran [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► here that was stupid and we wanted to [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► have an amazing episode about that man [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► and we we are doing one tonight we are [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► we are embarking on a journey through [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► films starting the Batman and we're [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► starting with the the tim burton [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► directed Batman films 1989 Batman and [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► 1992 is batman returns to discuss these [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► films with me i have a fine panel of [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► people who watch the movies and that [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► will talk about it because that's what [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► the show is will begin by introducing [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► them [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► Shannon sudderth is here hi Shannon [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► welcome back 11 keys [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► David jail or wholly super your [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► spectacular Batman and the no new auntie [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► Ashley hello I'm multi-chip sudderth I'm [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► sorry i I'm I didn't prepare I've [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► watched the ben affleck daredevil and [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► Tony sindelar hello nerds and for Batman [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► is Mac Batman belongs to all of us we [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► are all been no let's not get carried [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► away [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► it's not how DC Comics sees it i don't [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► think that all right so here's the story [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► with that man they did the the adam west [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► batman in the sixties that was fun then [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► the property cuddle just lay there for a [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► while Superman they start making [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► Superman films in the late seventies [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► those are successful and they decided we [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► should go back into batman again they [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► took until nineteen eighty-nine when [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► finally Batman hit the big screen again [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► starring michael keaton as Bruce Wayne [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► and Batman Jack Nicholson as the Joker [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► directed by tim burton this was for [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► those who did not live through it i can [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► just say it was a big deal like this was [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► my memory is that this was the first [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► like market movie as marketing campaign [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► that I remember like literally the [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► Batman logo [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► was omnipresent you could not everything [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► had Batman logos on it your milk at a [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► batman logo on it [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► everything had Batman logos it was it [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► was for those who didn't live through it [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► it was a huge marketing push this was my [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► want to say the end of my freshman year [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► in college and yeah so it was a big deal [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► and I think it was a man an extremely [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► successful film as well with a different [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► you know a different kind of take that [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► was very influential that led to like [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► the the a lot of the themes of it get [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► kind of replayed in batman the animated [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► series it's got an interesting kind of [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► art deco-style uh so anyway let's start [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► by discussing tim burton's batman is [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► everybody here [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► did you did you all see Batman when it [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► came out or did you watch it later [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► yeah I saw it when it came out but I was [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► a really big comics nerd at the time so [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► I also went through the pre-movie pre [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► publicity [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► oh my god this is going to suck they [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► can't Michael Keane I remember that his [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► chin isn't strong enough so that it's [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► it's remarkable that this movie was this [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► successful as it wasn't i think a lot of [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► it had to do with the overdrive [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► marketing that Warner's did to try to [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► convince people that know it wasn't [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► going to suck you know I I was the one [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► in my my group in high school because [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► this came out right at the tail end of [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► my senior year of high school I was the [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► one who when they announced the casting [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► was like okay it's gonna be great and [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► everyone else is like no no come on come [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► on Michael Keaton these Betelgeuse is [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► mr. mom and like they're just you watch [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► and sure enough he is I mean he's still [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► my favorite movie Batman I saw it [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► opening night in a crowded theater that [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► was completely full and it was playing [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► into auditoriums in that multi plaque [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► and I know that because there was [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► something wrong with their print and we [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► had to sit there in that crowded theater [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► for 30 minutes past the show time until [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► it finally started and I still loved [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► every second of it [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► my friends and I spent months doing jack [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► nicholson's little card thing remove the [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► card around the deck everything in the [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► movie was cool too [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► and it's it's one of the few that ever [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► so twice in the theater in the same [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► weekend my college roommates and I we [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► were not cool people we memorized the [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► lyrics to bat dance that's how could [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► that mean to you do we wait for this [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► movie and I married him anyway Tony ya [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► too young to be an honorary or just old [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► enough to see a bad man i was definitely [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► too young for part perhaps for both of [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► these movies but definitely for this one [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► I think i was aware as a spamming I was [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► a child I i was aware of the like the [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► marketing push of it but I i think the [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► first time I saw it was you know on a [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► VHS tape it's good you're drinking your [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► milk it's good and yeah because I think [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► you're bad milk [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► yeah and speaking of bad milk i should [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► say the Batman cereal that came out [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► needing nine was really good [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► Batman Returns cereal not as good funny [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► men but we'll get there we'll get there [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► tim burton personally make both of those [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► so all right let's talk about Batman [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► then we'll look we'll talk about 1989's [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► Batman now I mentioned I the style here [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► is it's fun it is this weird art deco [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► kind of style we we've seen this in a [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► few movies up [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► it's definitely I you know the i always [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► think of Max Headroom is being a little [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► bit like that although that's a little [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► more techy of course the great Super [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► Mario Brothers it's anyway but it but it [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► is a it's kind of a fun mix of things [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► that look old along with some things [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► that look uh look modern and his first [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► was the designer I think won the Oscar [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► for art direction it would visit it [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► looks really beautiful and from the very [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► very start where we see the this stuff [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► we see a family with it with a parents [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► in and the young kid and it's very [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► clearly playing on the origin of Batman [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► it's kind of a fake-out and it's a fake [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► ad because it's not it's actually the [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► present and they're saved by Batman but [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► but they they can't get a cab so they [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► decided to cut through a dark dark le [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► dangerous Ally because they're dumb [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► yeah and that meant save them when i [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► first saw this movie I it was a crowded [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► house there were loads of people there [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► who were not come [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► book fans they were there because of the [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► marketing and all the stuff that opening [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► scene when you see the but i think one [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► of the descriptions of Gotham City is as [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► long as the hell burst from the ground [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► and kept on going [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► when you see that opening claustrophobic [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► shot shot there were people in the [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► audience who were clearly not regular [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► Batman fans who just audibly gasps oh my [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► god this is horrific [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► you know right the right then and there [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► that art direction is just coming at you [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► and it's not [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► Dayglow sixties pop art that's for sure [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► who are you I'm Batman [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► here it is oh we we did that ad [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► infinitum on its are everywhere else i'm [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► back mad by then you're saying you [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► stopped [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► well no I don't think it's just slow [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► down some some people went and got day [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► jobs and didn't do it anymore but now i [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► remember going up to a drive-through I [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► don't want to say it was a McDonald's [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► but it could have been a taco bell and [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► and what is it can I help you have [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► everyone in the car when I'm Batman [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► yeah he threatens the one guy a lot but [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► he but he says no no I'll send out you [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► can send a message my notes here are all [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► about how this I think is very [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► definitely trying to reflect the new [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► york city of this period this is a [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► crumbling sleazy metropolis except often [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► city it's not metropolis to Gotham City [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► but it is it is very much that eighties [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► sleazy garbagey New York that we're [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► seeing in in Gotham it's gross [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► the hipsters have not come yet know it's [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► gross but it's also got art deco and [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► gargoyles everywhere [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► hmm sure it's a cooler city that's gone [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► to credit and tommy guns the police [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► carry tommy guns i love how I i love how [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► just an anachronistic the whole thing is [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► and they're all in like weird leather [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► jackets that you know are you know the [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► me I i think the word that comes to mind [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► is it is discount finish where um yeah [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► yeah but that's just that's it that's [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► how they do things in Gotham yeah Tony [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► when you can't afford a leather catsuit [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► you know what you do you just cut up [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► some final and so it but [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► that's another yeah anyway I learned a [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► lot in these movies [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► hey so uh so we see Billy Dee Williams [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► appears as Harvey Dent although he [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► doesn't have very much to do in this [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► movie he's just kind of present Jack [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► Nicholson and a Jerry Hall i have a have [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► a scene together jacket jacket is the [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► henchman for the organized crime leader [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► and Jerry Hall is his is his girl but [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► they are stepping out on the side here [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► and we get some lines including decent [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► people shouldn't live here which is good [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► this is Gotham City welcome to it and [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► and what delightful casting is Jack [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► palace you can be Jack Nicholson's boss [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► yeah you just somebody bigger than Jack [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► Nicholson Jack Nicholson is going to be [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► playing this pretty big kind of big [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► remember Jack never got my number one [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► guy [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► it's yeah Jack Palance is great as a [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► Carl Grissom Chris some gruesome right [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► and there's another there's dirty [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► lieutenant Hart who we meet who is one [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► of my least favorite things about this [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► movie because he's just kind of a fat [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► slob who is like dubbed in i think yeah [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► I would I couldn't tell if what was [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► going I wasn't sure if somebody if he [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► was eight ER in his own lines or [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► somebody else was covering them but yeah [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► like noticeably doesn't match up the way [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► he's dubbed to is strange [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► he's dubbed as if he's communicating but [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► the the voice is so soft and gravely [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► that there's no way that any any noise [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► at that volume could have been [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► understandable by any of the other [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► characters in the scene and I just don't [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► I I never liked the character and I [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► never liked the way he talked but it was [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► only watching it back this time that I [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► realized he's just completely dubbed in [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► and I don't even know why and its kind [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► of slightly gravely and anyway he's a [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► crooked cop and and he's gross and his [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► voice is super strange and and it's [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► Porkins yeah yeah [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► Porkins it's so bizarre to me well the [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► butt with a weird dubbed again it might [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► be him it might be somebody else mr. is [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► it's very strange required a monthly I [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► don't get that shit together [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► someone else took up all the oxygen in [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► the room before he got any life [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► interesting [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► we meet a couple other characters early [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► on here too we we meet knocks the the [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► reporter played by room TVs Robert wool [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► oh I love knocks because Robert was [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► playing him like he's the star of the [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► movie yet haven't no no one told you see [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► he's almost in a different movie [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► he's like a wacky wacky journalism movie [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► that is not the movies and it's it is [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► very french maid and halfway through the [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► movie he just drops out like he's off [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► following scoops or something but it's [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► like the movie said oh wait [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► we've got Batman sorry Robert no he's [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► like kind of any movie come with you I'm [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► gonna do some stuff in the movies like [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► no I remember him doing the late-night [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► chat show circuit around this time and [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► he was actually he was acting like it [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► was his movie there too [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► yeah this is terrible i remember on the [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► comedy channel that he would do one of [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► the going to commercial bumpers and it [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► was mostly him complaining that he got a [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► great contract that said he got a cut of [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► the toy rights but then he discovered [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► you only got a cut of his toy right and [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► you were not a lot of plucky reporter [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► toys being sold [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► hey I had I had the plucky reporters [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► journalist notebook and pen and and the [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► snap brim hat you gotta you gotta give a [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► couple dollars to Robert well that's [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► okay he's got are less money now it's [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► fine and we and we also meet kim [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► basinger as Vicki Vale who is introduced [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► so you know they're trying to do the on [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► some kind of a battery thing between [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► Robert wall and kim basinger her and I [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► can't decide whether it's gross or [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► whether it's amusing because he's so bad [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► at it [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► I tend to plump for the ladder yeah that [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► that he's he's that bad at it she's [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► humoring him because she needed help [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► yeah I think he's the only one who's got [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► the banter going on she's just humoring [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► yeah but she's like it all gets summed [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► up later on when at one point you know [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► he's like expressing concern or [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► something and she puts both her hands on [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► his face and give them a quick little [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► kiss your you're cute yorkie pups [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► through it you can tell she's a serious [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► reporter because she wears glasses [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► sometimes huh right you can you can [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► definitely tell that but they are again [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► it is it is kind of a fun fun tone but [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► it's a little bit weird because it's it [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► is like from another movie about plucky [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► reporters but it's really just to get us [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► into this other story that were that [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► were going to get with with Batman which [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► is fine i I actually made a note at this [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► point to that at points rubber walls [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► performance reminds me a little bit of [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► like Bill Murray in ghostbusters it's [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► that kind of eccentric and bizarre and [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► there's the whole thing where where [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► they're in Bruce Wayne's uh that mansion [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► and they're like wander into the Hall of [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► weapons like the museum room must be a [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► hang of the wicker people and things [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► like that where it's just the strange [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► you know but look at this look at that [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► mirror he must be Bruce vain [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► I'm like again and again and again it's [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► just nice girl and i genuinely enjoy him [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► he's not putting a lot of energy out in [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► a role that he has to know isn't that [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► important [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► good for him i think he thinks it's that [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► important i'm sorry and godbless [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► important lesson yes I enjoy and I'm [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► surprised how much of his dialogue I I i [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► know i like know by heart the right wall [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► dialogue is wacky and it gets you into [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► the movie and yeah and then he is [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► discarded but he's kind of fun while you [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► sit around he serves His function and [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► goes on [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► yeah he doesn't die no he doesn't so we [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► get to kiss on the check instead on this [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► way in fact that the oh yeah that's [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► that's a happy ending in Gotham [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► well it's not a pure it's not a pure [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► origin movie it's sort of the first [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► appearance of Batman but we don't get [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► the we don't get the let's go to Nanda [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► Parbat and have training site once this [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► kind of stuff so in the beginning that [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► man's a mystery and Knox's the character [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► that is sort of investigating the [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► mystery and that that's our gateway in [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► and then that this everything shifts [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► over to Michael Keaton and there's [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► nothing for him to do and right good [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► riddance [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► good riddance also we get what you get [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► in in there in around this part i'm not [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► going to go point by point here but this [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► is where we get to see Michael Keaton we [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► get to see Michael koffice as Alfred as [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► well in some of these scenes in here [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► Michael Keaton so we talked about it I i [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► think i think this movie does a good job [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► of of getting a [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► introduced to Bruce Wayne and and I i [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► think yeah you spend a few minutes with [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► Michael Keaton is Bruce Wayne and I feel [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► like i buy into it is like oh IC IC why [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► Michael Keaton's in this movie because I [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► think he does i think he does a good job [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► my favorite Bruce Wayne of any movie [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► yes i like i like his version of like [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► weirdo eccentric I Bruce Wayne because [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► there's so many versions of Bruce Wayne [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► as the like the polished millionaire [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► playboy who is smooth talking and this I [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► like this guy who's just like no he's [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► awkward and weird and spend a lot of [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► time sitting by himself being brought [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► sandwiches by offered and doesn't really [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► know how to talk to people also he's [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► apparently not a celebrity and Gotham [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► not everybody knows what he looks like [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► and he's just this weird guy who throws [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► kind of benefit party things at his [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► house i like i like awkward Bruce Wayne [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► I details to enjoy himself at the party [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► like when he sneaks behind the the two [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► reporters and they're going to his [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► Museum he's watching them and he's [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► genuinely amused i feel like this is the [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► only Bruce Wayne from the movies i would [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► actually watch a movie about right yeah [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► right well in in in retrospect he's you [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► know I don't know how intentional was [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► but it's it's almost like he's playing [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► Bruce Wayne somewhere on the spectrum [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► right he's clearly a genius is of course [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► the world's greatest detective and of [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► course this is a movie where we get to [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► see that for once we get to know Bruce [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► Wayne instead of just Batman or just as [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► a cover for Batman and and i love that [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► and you know you get the impression that [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► he could fake being cool and suave if he [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► had to but this is a little bit more [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► like himself at least in this part of [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► the movie I was a mild comic book geek [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► going high school college and if for [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► this movie [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► the reason that I went was because they [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► cast Michael Keaton an accident that I [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► really really loved and was really [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► invested in and I was looking at the [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► blowback of you know it can't be and I'm [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► like yes it can you know yes it can [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► trust me [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► anybody can be hiding under that suit [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► but you've got to have somebody with his [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► kind of charm and wackiness and [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► instability [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► I mean that that you're dealing with a [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► young man who [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► you know who lost his parents were [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► killed in front of his eyes at a very [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► young age and his reaction to that is to [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► go and trained himself to the utmost to [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► to do something about it and not just do [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► something about it but I'm gonna dress [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► up like a bat and scare these criminals [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► are you need a Michael Keaton to pull [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► that character off [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► yeah and I think that's not normal know [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► exactly but that's not normal and and it [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► to the extent that you know a couple [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► movies later [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► did you brought they brought in this val [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► kilmer guide to be Bruce Wayne and he's [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► a conventional hero compared to Michael [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► Keaton who is just nuts [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► he is let not want to know you want to [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► get nuts he's got that Betelgeuse scene [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► where you see all that manic energy [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► right I I feel like eating gets lost [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► inside the Batsuit but that's not when [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► you need the actor to do the best job [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► you need him to do the best job as a [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► ruse Wayne and Keaton is mesmerizing [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► that Batman in the Batsuit could almost [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► be played by a stockman yeah right [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► huh it's the mr. Bruce Wayne you've got [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► a lot of really fine i acting from [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► Keaton when he's in the suit and [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► occasionally his yet some of his ideas [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► expressions come thru yes it's a quirk [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► of the mouth it says so much [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► yeah you know yeah in fact there is a [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► recent Batman movie that also involves [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► Superman huh [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► what would they call that movie i think [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► it's called Batman comma and also [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► Superman and to briefly reference that [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► movie i really liked Batman whenever it [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► was just Ben Affleck not a student [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► already got interested i can see there's [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► a CGI monster or something but there was [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► cool acting as Bruce Wayne and that's [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► the closest we're going to get to a bed [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► member Superman episode right there [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► there was an episode 493 contractual [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► obligation fulfilled the the teasers [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► they've put out for the Justice League [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► movie I really well-known like now in [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► and the layout no no no no nope nope [TS]

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00:21:35 ◼   ► some praise here is where I mean it was [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► great my Michael golf is great i do love [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► I mean tony mentioned like Alfred brings [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► him sandwiches but it's like it is this [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► this is a great moment where you know [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► it's like you know it's just us here in [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► this old mansion and he he encourages [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► Bruce and and Vicki to get together at [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► several points brings her to him in the [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► Batcave at the end of the movie and it's [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► just he's just so so delightful the [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► whole time I I [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► think i think has there been great [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► Alfred's in movies but i really love [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► Michael gasps performances as Alfred [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► he's just just delightful and helpful [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► and friendly and loving and you know and [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► and fatherly yeah exactly right i mean [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► we're jumping kinda head I i love the [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► scene where vicki and Bruce have their [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► kind of their date and then Alfred kind [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► of the day it starts with the this yet [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► whether the judge with joke Adams jokes [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► shot rather the long ends of the table [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► into classic and then they go from that [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► to like hanging out in the kitchen with [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► Alfred so nice i like that a lot [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► that's that's because that's Bruce Wayne [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► getting over himself for getting over [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► his I think it's getting over his view [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► of himself and like he should be and [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► then just being like they I like how you [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► actually see him like pick up his plate [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► and his wine glass and be like come on [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► let's go and then cut to their in this [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► much warmer kind of wood table little [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► light light wood and then like a kitchen [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► or something with Alfred it's great and [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► just before that that great line when [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► Vicki says that you know I don't think [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► this mansion is very much it is this [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► like you at all and bruce says some of [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► it is very much me know it's it's it's [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► very there some there since this is not [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► going to be considered a subtle movie by [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► a long shot right there are but there [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► are subtleties in Michael Keaton's [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► performance [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► yeah i agree i agree there's a lot of [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► little nice stuff a lot of less stuff [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► with Michael Keaton and Michael Michael [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► cough the okay so yeah we should talk [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► about Jack Nicholson as jack napier and [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► he becomes he becomes the Joker unsubtle [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► half of the no it'sit's not i meannot a [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► carton eckhardt who I didn't like gets [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► shot by jack in a scene at the access [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► chemical plant which i also just to say [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► again that i don't like that character [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► before he gets shot he's like acting [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► like a zombie he's just kind of moving [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► very slowly and kind of going in and [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► it's I don't understand that carry I [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► don't even know why that character is [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► there it's really bad but but the Joker [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► so jack napier who is revealed late in [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► the movie in a coincidence that's [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► probably unnecessary is the person who [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► shot [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► Bruce Wayne's parents yeah [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► f words about that later yeah well we'll [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► get it will circle around that but here [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► he he you know there's a shootout he [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► gets hit by a ricochet Batman tries to [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► capture catch him but he drops into the [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► chemicals and is is dead and will never [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► see him again except of course he [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► resurfaces with the the white face and [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► is the is the Joker so they got my [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► understanding is that they backed up a [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► truck money to Jack Nicholson's house [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► and they said you can be in our movie [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► will pay you a lot of money you can go [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► to all the laker games will make sure [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► that we schedule around you and we limit [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► the amount of time you have to spend on [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► this movie but you know it was quite a [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► coup to get the guy who was basically [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► considered the best or one of the what [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► two or three best actors on the planet [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► to be in their little superhero movie we [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► got a golden globe nomination he even [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► got Top Billing yeah mmm yeah absolutely [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► and that Joker's a plum role right i [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► mean this is this is this isn't this [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► isn't a role that won an Oscar for [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► somebody else to write it is a quite a [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► role to bite to chew off to bite on [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► jewel I don't know to shoot there's a [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► lot of chewing scenery going on really [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► is what's happening again [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► it's quite a roll yeah when Jack [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► Nicholson puts his all into it and then [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► some [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► and this early in the movie he's also [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► really really good as jack napier yeah [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► and that's that the-the-the minutes the [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► unhinged miss that's just sort of in the [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► background waiting to be released after [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► he takes a bath you know he he's a [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► plausible gangster villain and then then [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► he just he just cuts loose he gets [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► behind the makeup and he just what's [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► that what's that phrase you use a lot [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► Jason turns into the skin just admits to [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► it you know you just gotta go with it [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► yes he's a jack napier zile operated on [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► by a German doctor who has a very bad [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► set of tools it looks more like [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► something you get info and you can get [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► into Medical why they really did a heck [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► of a job and I think those tools for [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► what you used to like punch holes of [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► letting up but that was that was what [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► tim burton was stocking up for Edward [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► Scissorhands so it's bad but that's bad [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► news for Jack Palance he's not gonna [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► make it because uh because jack napier [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► has come back from the dead he knows [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► that he he was sent to the axis chemical [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► plant as a setup because he was stepping [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► out with with his girl [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► jerry hall so sugar bumps sugar bumps [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► just putting it out there and so yeah so [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► he kills a he kills Jack Palance I had [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► to jagannatha told me to kill jack [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► palance and says wait till they get a [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► load of me but interesting decision by [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► Jack Nicholson an interesting decision [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► by tim burton to leave it in at and I [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► I'd say this is a representative of how [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► far they let Nicholson go with this [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► he doesn't just say wait till they get a [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► load of me he then goes whoo whoop em [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► haha and they just leave it all in just [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► letting you know for sure I'm insane but [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► it's not even that he's saying wait till [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► they get a load of me its weight only [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► get a load of me he follows it up with a [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► sound and then another weird sound a [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► maniacal laugh and tim burton's like [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► yeah we're just gonna keep all that in [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► just let a roll there's a dance he does [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► when he leaves one of the seems that [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► it's just like it blows my mind that [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► that's that's this that's in there is a [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► few times where Nicholson is just [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► goofing around at the end of the team [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► they leave it in there is the time he [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► tells his really loyal henchmen in a [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► black Palace imitation you my number one [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► guy he and then the guy leaves and [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► nickel just standing there going [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► do-do-do-do-do-do VD just move it off [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► but the Joker could just be goofing off [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► let's leave it in its great he is not [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► concerned about what like there's a lot [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► where he's just a room by himself but [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► it's like no peace still going he does [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► not need an audience but when he has an [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► audio yeah it goes up to love even [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► bigger [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► yeah like it when they hit the museum [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► okay here's what we're doing guys [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► oh yeah let's see what else in there [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► Bruce Bruce lies to vicki vale after [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► they've spent the night together [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► I says he's got to go out of town but [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► Alfred [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► basically gives gives that away awkward [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► like yeah yeah that was that was well [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► you you're supposed to let your Butler [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► know that you've gotta yeah you [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► should've gone with it though i suppose [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► i'm thinking that this alfred was not a [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► former spy i think it offered in this is [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► not used to Bruce Wayne as a woman i was [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► a playboy right so much so he doesn't [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► have the moves down it like oh yes we [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► are going out of town [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► ya soon as Bruce has a girlfriend [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► girlfriend gets brought down to the bad [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► hey so alpha tango what so that you've [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► got a girl now [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► yeah but there's no they don't have any [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► pop formal policies written up it's a [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► problem I owe the Joker has a meeting of [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► all the crime lords in ya Gotham City [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► they have a little meeting little table [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► gang of gangs yeah I love his vanity [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► that he's got the flesh-colored makeup [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► plastered on top of his chalk white skin [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► and this one and hit that looks even [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► more creepy that's one of my favorite [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► things is that his skin is naturally [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► white with the smile but sometimes he [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► puts makeup on to have it look normal [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► and then later on the movie tells Batman [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► i have taken off my makeup [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► let's see if you can take off yours [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► except he hasn't taken off his makeup [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► he's put more makeup on right yeah well [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► it's it's not it's not that it's vanity [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► it's he's he he knows nobody knows what [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► he looks like yet anybody also wants to [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► freak them out as the makeup starts to [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► crack and peel away the smile looks [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► pretty freaked out about to me [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► yeah weird prosthetic it is weird he [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► killed he kills a guy with the joy [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► buzzer [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► you mentioned the you're my number one [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► guy and all that Bob I enjoy Bob [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► throughout this movie is not right now [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► he is a little bit Larry Darrell and [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► Darrell but he's quite enjoyable as just [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► loyal sidekick guy who keeps saying [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► things his lines are all like yes sir [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► that's it that's all Bob does i have [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► watched him for years I saw him on WKRP [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► in the first season and when [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► wow that's a really weird guy huh and [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► then he was also in a show called best [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► of the west from the makers of taxi [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► which was a Western thing and he played [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► a henchman named fraud [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► and that was delightful it's tracy [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► Walter is the name of the actor enjoyed [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► when the Joker's gang shows up to the [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► point guns at all the boss leaders that [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► they already have embroidered jackets [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► with like patches of the Joker's face [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► it's like that's how you know they're [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► good management group is that they've [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► already like day one we've got invited [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► jackets ready to go like the movies of [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► marketing behavior yeah yeah that's [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► Joker's got all sorts of stuff will see [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► even more stuff the Joker's got ready to [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► go ready to deploy he's he's crafted [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► people in both senses of the word [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► oh he's just my type yeah so let's see [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► what else I mean jack napier then [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► attacks various gangsters Bruce Wayne is [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► is stunned and shocked by this Batman [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► gets all the headlines even though [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► Napier's attacked all the gangsters he's [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► very upset that we get this town needs [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► an enema that line happens here in this [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► in this area again jack nicholson what [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► can you say just yeah he's clearing the [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► trailer [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► yeah well here is the trailer right be [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► he's a whole both of these movies have a [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► lot of press conferences in them like a [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► lot of press conferences in them a lot [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► of on the steps of City Hall the one [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► that I find the weirdest is that there [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► is the Mafia press conference that the [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► Joker and his mind to people that that [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► one that one confused me a little bit [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► but again i did not live in Gotham in [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► 1980 night I maybe that's just business [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► as usual but like yeah if I'm if I'm [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► running the organized crime i would hold [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► less press conferences what I'm saying [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► maybe none maybe none maybe I mean look [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► just throwing that out there huh that's [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► the one where nobody notices the [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► extremely amateurish minds around the [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► place right [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► yep yep yep you know again I guys you [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► guys are older than me i'm just i'm [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► assuming a lot about what 1998-1999 was [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► like there weren't that many minds all [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► the way there are mines and how many [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► what was the mind to press conference [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► ratio is what i mask it well let me tell [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► you about a couple named shields and [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► Yarnell era para primes and they were [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► huge they had their own show [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► they did have yeah the seventies yes [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► they did a god I'm suddenly feeling [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► younger is anybody there [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► there's a point at which vicki vale [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► suddenly is way more interested in using [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► her newspapers resources to look up [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► information about her boyfriend then to [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► investigate Batman is she supposed to be [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► doing she seems to have a lot of free [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► range from her previous highly [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► successful photojournalism run in that [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► island that she just came back from we [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► haven't actually talked a whole lot [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► about Vicki Vale and I think there's a [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► reason for the hands [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► I have to know you think which are an [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► amazing apartment [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► yes and in one scene she has a Padawan [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► braid yeah okay just one little braids [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► on the side of her head going down over [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► her shoulder she might be a jet by now i [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► remember being rather irritated at one [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► point watching the movie at some point [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► it may not have been the first time but [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► at a subsequent watching because when [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► they introduce her she's you know shown [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► to be very capable award-winning [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► globe-trotting photojournalist looking [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► for the the heavy hard stories [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► yeah um and so it's yet Robert walls [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► character you know somewhat [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► understandably you're going to chase [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► Batman it doesn't quite seem to fit [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► um and then about halfway through the [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► movie or so all of a sudden there's [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► apparently nothing left for kim basinger [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► to do then scream or dangle from a Ledge [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► or cord or something or faint and it's [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► like you're not [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► she was doing well she could have [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► contributed the amount of her dialogue [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► that is her screaming in reaction to [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► something is like a lot began well okay [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► so I like the scene where she's on the [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► rooftop and she immediately starts [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► taking pictures of Batman fighting in [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► the alley right that's good news sense [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► like that that's the scene where I'm [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► like okay she's doing her job and of [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► course right then uses the Old Cape [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► trick to steal the film out of her bra [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► but I be on Cape trick you okay yeah [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► that does that a lot he's like who [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► there's a cape and what happens then [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► nobody knows it's under the Cape was a [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► mystery that's how Batman does it all [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► sorts of magic tricks [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► anyway so that's good but then you're [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► right a other than that she's mostly a [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► damsel i do think that when she when [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► Alfred brings her into the Batcave [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► toward the end but that's a nice [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► where she's being like supportive I i [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► find her her support for Bruce nice but [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► again that's being supportive and not [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► you know but at but at the same time [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► she's kind of like breaking down his [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► shell so there are moments in there [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► whenever she's put in any sort of like [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► part of the plot like the wind with the [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► Joker the art museum is the most [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► disappointing one because although she [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► she gives a push back to him a little [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► bit you know like when when she goes to [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► comfort him with because he got covered [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► in water and he's melting like it's just [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► dumb like why would you do that in jan [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► there's also lots of lots of the [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► screaming lots again we're almost at the [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► Museum attack actually but I i wanted to [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► mention a couple other things I enjoy [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► the new TV news as we see it in this [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► movie not the first off the outfit on [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► the the first anchor woman who dies is [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► staggering [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► it looks like it's like a jacket with [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► shoulder pads but it looks literally [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► looks like she's wearing a parka it is [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► so huge and padded it is amazing [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► she's not the only one can be a singer [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► and Robert wool yeah there's a lot of [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► shoulder pad action in this room well [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► it's against wasn't talking head suit [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► like he's nowhere near the outside is [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► what it is but that one first [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► anchorwoman is the most extreme of all [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► of them but i really loved the joke [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► where they discovered that the cosmetics [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► are poisoned and they don't know exactly [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► where the poison is and then for the [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► rest of the the movie the TV anchors [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► have no makeup on and they've been made [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► to have blemishes and things all over [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► their faces that kills me after your [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► hair their hair looks awful [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► so it doesn't need to be there because [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► they don't even have combs anymore it's [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► just a joke [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► yeah and it's mainly mainly affects TV [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► anchors Vicki Vale is doing fine [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► Tom you know she's not what she imports [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► all of her husband watches ok thank you [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► and can accepted and so we're off to the [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► museum so uh Vicki give Alfred get a [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► call saying she'll be 10 minutes late to [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► the museum but to meet Bruce but that is [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► a he's not meeting her there so that's a [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► bad sign i think that this looks like a [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► job for Batman and what happens is the [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► gas the Joker the Joker attacks they [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► gasp the museum [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► and then immediately the Joker and [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► enhancement after everybody drops [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► Vicki's got a little mask that she's [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► been given by a in a little package and [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► told put this on immediately everybody [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► drops because of the gas and then the [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► Joker and his people walk in which is [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► interesting because you think there [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► would still be gas but they have no [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► masks [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► it's fine it's fine it's time for a [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► dance party and finally Prince shows up [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► is this good time to talk about princes [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► concrete yeah this is the time because [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► they play they play a song arm on the [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► boom box as they go through and deface [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► all the art or Sorry Sorry improve the [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► art as Joker would tell us and we play a [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► prince song as as that goes on there's [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► another prints on later during the [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► parade prince was in quite a coup was [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► commissioned to basically do in a [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► batman-themed album and those songs [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► would be in the movie and then the end [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► and then what happened was Tim Burton [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► said I'm not really interested in that [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► you have you heard my boy Elfman he's [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► got a really good theme [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► yeah well Danny Elfman we could talk [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► about that i think that i think this is [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► one of my favorite movie scores of all [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► time I love the danny elfman score but [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► it is kind of amazing that they got an [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► entire album by Prince that a lot of [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► people really love and it's it's some of [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► it is played in the background in a [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► couple of scenes but there's literally [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► these two scenes where prince comes to [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► the fore at all and it's expressed like [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► part of the plot right right thats that [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► the only use that that Tim Burton has [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► four Prince's like if they're playing [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► music in the movie will play a prince [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► song but otherwise forget it [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► otherwise it's just going to be score [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► did they pick Prince just because he [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► likes purple and the Joker likes purple [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► I don't all i think this was again just [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► a marketing uh you know the marketing [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► behemoth kicking in and he was he was [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► like the biggest thing on warner music [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► more music yeah and they said let's [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► let's make this energy happen [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► yeah and he played saturday night live [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► during the promotion for this stuff and [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► all I can remember is that he did party [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► man [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► and.and who entrust and he's performing [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► those songs on the SNL stage with the [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► giant Batman that logo of course lying [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► behind them because you know I don't [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► know who is intended to be bigger at [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► this point prince or Batman [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► merchandising well i think that was [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► where Prince got his idea to change his [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► name to a giant symbol gonna be [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► unfortunately batman logo was was taken [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► so we couldn't do that [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► Batman princess batman logo hit number [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► one on the billboard album chart it was [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► it was a it was a big seller even though [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► you can barely hear in the movie I just [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► I I wonder what movie would be like I I [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► feel like a modern a more modern movie [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► would have gone all the way with like [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► Prince wall-to-wall and I'm not sure [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► whether that would have been better or [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► worse but it would have been very [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► different from what we get with with [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► these two to the two tracks being played [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► trust and Parliament and and the music I [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► mean just bad dance was the video for [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► that was what like 45 minutes or even [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► six minutes and it was on every hour on [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► mtv furling three days i'm telling you [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► the marketing for this movie brilliant i [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► own a lot of bad songs easily the worst [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► song i own and that means it's worse [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► than all of disco Evita is a cover of [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► batt dance cover we have when i worked [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► at a movie theater we had a CD of a [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► generic bands versions of various movie [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► theme songs because they didn't want to [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► pay for the full rights and some poor [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► girl had to record it and not use any of [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► the samples so they had to get a new [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► actress into the oh my do to go [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► vicki vale vale be keeping that makes me [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► feel like I wasted my time memorizing [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► that song back in the day he got ways to [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► shut the investment ship you can get [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► that back by creating your own cover [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► version you've invested in yourself [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► every day here from now on they couldn't [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► even be bothered to playback dance over [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► the end credits [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► yeah yeah I know right i mean [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► that'sthat's i do think that it's a [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► missed opportunity there it's also just [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► a sign of the left hand and the right [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► hand not knowing what each other was [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► doing that by tim burton well so I have [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► a lot of theories about this movie that [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► maybe i'll get to before we [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► it's a batman returns that but there's [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► definitely the conflict between the [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► studio and the marketing and the giant [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► machine and Tim Burton who likes to make [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► weird quirky tweet little movies there [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► was a lot of conflict creatively about [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► this movie and I think it's amazing that [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► that it turns out as well as it does [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► given all of that [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► well I mean you had John Peters [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► producing or executive producing and he [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► was kind of insane mom you know and I'm [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► sure prince was his idea and and going [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► here let's do this and let's do that [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► let's do this and and I know that the [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► ending was not tim burton's idea that [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► wasn't in the script it was John Peters [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► going hey would it be awesome if they [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► like climb to the top of the cathedral [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► and the whole thing took place up there [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► and why do we kill Vicki Vale and then [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► Batman will get really angry [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► it's like okay and and he went ahead and [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► had the thing constructed without [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► clearing it with anybody was just like [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► here this is gonna be the end of the [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► movie and they actually and like they [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► asked to Burton's like why are we [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► climbing to the top of the thing because [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► i don't know we'll figure it out when [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► you get there and they had to redo that [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► so that's that's kinda like the movie a [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► microcosm the original screen [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► screenwriter was a guy named sam ham and [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► then a guy named warrants car and came [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► in after it so alliteration was [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► absolutely important while riding right [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► but I mean yeah thank you [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► I and my understanding is the Sam ham [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► script was fairly straight and you have [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► monkey you have lines that survived of [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► the the the rewrite and temperance [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► direction that get completely turned [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► over like the the Joker cylindrical e it [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► you might join me for a week after the [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► weird confrontation between Bruce Wayne [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► and the Joker and Vicki and he plays it [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► for Laughs things like that there is so [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► much dissonance in this movie between [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► temper and sensibilities and and the [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► screenwriters is this a serious movie or [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► is tim burton taking the piss out of [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► superheroes in general because he's Tim [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► Burton [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► you're right it'sit's it's amazing that [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► this movie is this is successful as it [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► is because these parts don't fit no no [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► they really don't know there are other [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► parts to that that will get 22 because [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► there's that the whole romantic comedy [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► part that comes back again later [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► that's like a totally other movie said [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► that also happens in here it's like When [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► Harry Met Sally if Harry was Batman [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► anyway [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► hey will but I don't know what she's [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► happy so the museum the museum scene i [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► like because it is this manic Joker [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► dancing around the prince and I think [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► that's pretty good [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► there's some great dialogue in here this [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► is this is quality Joker antics write [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► like this is the one-dollar bill i like [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► that that's pretty good [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► uh I don't know if it's art but i like [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► it like he says at that painting the [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► one-dollar bill and then a scene later [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► he says what he wants is to have his [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► face on the one-dollar bill and I like [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► to think the Joker just thought of it [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► because he just saw panting I like the [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► one where they go by the really weird [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► painting and he's like I I don't touch [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► this one I kinda like it [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► they move on its we're creating a move [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► on it's good and then and then I I like [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► how it all comes together where he tells [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► vicki vale I'm an artist I'm a car i'm a [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► card until someone dies that's what i do [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► and it's like all right I get the Joker [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► now is it a night Jerry Hall comes back [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► and Jerry Hall yeah exactly who he is [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► he's a he's really hide that she's [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► wearing them at why she wearing the mask [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► and she's acting all weird and then yeah [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► she just make it but that man comes to [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► say Vicky before we can get more time in [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► the in the museum but i just i love the [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► museum scene i love i love ya i love the [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► whole thing it's weird and and funny and [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► and yeah it's good and that leads [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► directly into a Batmobile that we have [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► never seen yeah that's right before him [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► that movie live one note which is the if [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► I had to say there's one perfect shot in [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► Batman it is probably my favorite shot [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► the movie is when he comes through the [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► skylight in the museum and the whole [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► Cape is like fully now like like you see [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► the whole Cape coming down i love that [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► that's great and then the whole thing [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► where he just sort of worth I think [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► wordlessly um [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► no just stands there and fires off as [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► very a lot of lot of gadgets and these [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► ones that ropes and then slides away and [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► out the door and then they get into [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► battle which has applied which is this [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► wacky again wacky modular CarDekho [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► high-tech Batmobile thing [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► yeah where did you find the Batmobile in [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► all versions for a Batman for decades [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► like immediately the comics like oh yeah [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► let's do that [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► yeah when they had man the animated [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► series oh no we're gonna look just like [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► this movie and have that bat will be [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► really until christian bale batman i [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► guess where it's a little more it so [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► it's it's a different wider kind of [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► platform thing but yeah that's cool cool [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► Batmobile huh cool when we said let's [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► stop having cool cars have an ugly tank [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► yep yeah i mean i really like the [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► animated version but this would be my [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► second favorite Batmobile so i mean i [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► like that it does not look like any [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► other car right it's it just looks crazy [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► yeah he didn't soup something up now [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► like this is a billion the whole way and [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► it doesn't even in the backyard and it [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► almost doesn't look like a car right [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► like it looks more like like a weird [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► shoe or something in a copper yeah [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► that's good [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► yeah it it's like out torpedo with wheel [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► yeah yeah it's a mash-up between the [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► chrysler building an sr-71 but it [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► doesn't look quite so good it looks [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► great when it's still but when they're [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► driving around with it i think that [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► every out this suspension to tell we [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► break down with it it's gonna be hard to [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► turn that thing on the link [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► yeah yeah it's not just the Batmobile [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► though they're there is the chase that [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► they go through their there is one [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► intersection that it goes through that I [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► I'm not kidding you is the most fake [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► looking set oh yeah I have never seen in [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► a movie where they're driving through [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► and it's like that is not a street that [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► is not available in public that is that [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► is that like that's a backlog but a lot [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► of this movie and and like some of the [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► street seems the parade to is the same [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► way again [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► where it is just super fake and like [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► like minimal effort was made here the [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► art direction for Gotham is great but [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► like they have like two intersections [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► right like they just did and I use them [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► over and over [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► and right like really go meet under that [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► bridge again yes a parade and the press [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► conferences and like you know that like [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► the outside of City Hall and the outside [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► of the like that movie theater like a [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► Chrysler want me to build a block and [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► that's able to block you can get away [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► with that sort of thing on Star Trek [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► cause also all corridors look the same [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► right but this this soundstage is so [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► distinctive not all your corridors can [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► be Crime Alley it doesn't work I'm going [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► to let us leave the beauty and without [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► distracting everybody with my crackpot [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► theory if people would like to hear my [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► crackpot theory email me how are you [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► you want some more email marketing or [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► you can tweet at Mangia Mangia never [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► actually quick and ask him for a [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► crackpot theory so they get digging in [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► an alley they get cotton ali-a Batman [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► decides to flee with Vicki up by by [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► firing his bat whatever-it-is rope thing [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► up and asked her how much she weighs so [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► that there's a wait joke that is made [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► with i rolled my eyes as well especially [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► you already had zip-lined with her like [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► you know [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► yeah I'm not your second you know this [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► is not your first rodeo like yeah he [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► should know the way we're making fat [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► jokes about Kim Basinger really I know [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► this is not the most feminist movies [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► yeah you don't say sharing like yes they [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► loud cheering like 200 pounds of our [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► chip is this the most feminist Batman [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► movie you see let's dig deeper on this [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► i would say it could be worse but it's [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► not great [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► mr. Drazen pieces now could this be what [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► could be worse but the way joke it [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► stands well you know like i said there [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► are moments with Vicki failing I'm like [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► alright that's good but yeah there are [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► other things that are not but I want to [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► talk about I want to talk about the [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► fights in the alley because there are a [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► whole bunch of Joker's henchmen who come [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► to fight Batman in the alley and they're [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► like there's like a fighter guy and then [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► there's like a ninja and Tony to answer [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► your question in the in the late [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► eighties in Gotham City [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► did we have a lot of ninjas in the [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► actual answers oh god yes yes there were [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► so many ninjas and there are some here [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► some of the henchmen turned out to be [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► ninjas everything I know about New York [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► City is formed from the Ninja Turtles [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► movie not the michael bay 1 and the [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► Warriors so i see i have no problems [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► with this scene so you're missing humble [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► and rocks which is any key component it [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► has the whole alpine part of New York [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► City its means and and here we see one [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► of the biggest limitations of this movie [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► that I never noticed back in 1989 but in [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► the days of the Marvel Cinematic [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► Universe i'm totally scene which is your [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► hero cannot move ya soon so damn big [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► these these fight scenes probably looked [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► great when we have nothing to compare [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► them to but he they're not moving you're [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► not moving [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► although the bad guys bad guys moving in [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► Batman like either steps out of the way [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► or just punches them because that's [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► about all he could I mean he gets shot [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► several times and I guess he's just [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► tough enough that they bounce often i [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► mean i can remember i am NOT approaching [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► this movie with the level of nostalgia [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► that the rest of the team here is and [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► yeah all these action sequences fall [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► pretty yes you're younger than us [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► yeah there's a scene where you can tell [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► what they wrote up was Batman beat up [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► all the thugs and in the background that [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► Joker dances with Vicki fail and it [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► looks great down and boy takes a long [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► time to beat up those thugs he can't [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► even bend your waist plus the books did [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► the usual thing and they went at a one [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► or two at a time [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► well it's sorted they're simple learning [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► center rules never thinks to swarm [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► answer one of them just falls through [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► the floor without touching him huh [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► that's the Batman that good so I mean [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► for me there's three pillars [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► Batman right okay tell me more alright [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► this is good [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► I mean we're getting some church a [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► Batman stuff going on here this good [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► ever know three pillars of Batman you [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► didn't stop me so here I go [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► gadgets detective work and you know [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► ninja skills this movie realize pretty [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► heavily on one pillar of Batman I i [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► would prefer to see a little bit more of [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► an even distribution across the three [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► pillars is what I'm saying [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► so are you saying you want a more [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► holistic but i want ya i want a more [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► complete Batman if you are looking to [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► become think how can you be a more [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► complete Batman right to modify ashley [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► and i'll forward that to me [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► possibly with some editorializing yeah [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► mmm yeah the the suit this i think the [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► suit looks great but he can't handing [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► them know well it looks great when he's [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► not moving in which is most of the time [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► ready kazi and burton thought anything [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► else didn't look threatening enough and [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► see you know looking threatening is not [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► the the key thing with Batman he's got [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► to be able to move [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► yeah but one thing you think of when you [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► think of bats is a mobility I I do [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► really like the scene that comes up here [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► when they're riding back to the Batcave [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► in the Batmobile and kim basinger starts [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► to look at him and his space and all [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► that he turns on the light [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► yes and it shines in her face so she [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► can't see and she kind of raises her [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► hand and that and the the score comes up [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► and they blast through this you know [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► through the the down that country road [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► and into the hidden entryway to the [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► Batcave i love that whole thing that's [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► like super mystery Batman he's not going [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► to let you look at his head his mouth [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► and chin to figure out who is there's a [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► light he's got to stop people from doing [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► that if they if he takes a passenger on [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► in the Batcave he keeps turning his head [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► to keep himself shadow tushy gaseum yeah [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► it's a superhero actually worried about [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► whether or not people can see his face [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► yes as opposed to the the as opposed to [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► Batman Returns which we'll get to in a [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► minute or any of your movie spider-man [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► these days it could be that mask in [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► media and the drop of a hat [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► yeah hot [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► it is so I romantic comedy starts [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► suddenly there's a there's a whole plot [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► where Bruce is trying to tell her that I [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► that he's Batman he's gonna admit it [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► he's gonna let let let that loose [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► except he can't do it and and uh she [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► says he's a jerk and then and then it [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► says so shut up and he pushes her down [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► which I'm like yeah that's not actually [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► that cool but ok it's the eighties it's [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► a romantic comedy alright and then he's [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► he struggles to get things out and she [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► thinks he's married but he's trying to [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► admit and in fact would probably have [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► said on that man at some point if the [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► Joker doesn't knock on the door and then [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► our romantic comedy becomes a sort of [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► weird romantic comedy crime tension [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► thing [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► NAA source i will cite later says that [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► this was kind of any impactors improv [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► moment in the movie and it just doesn't [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► fit by this point Robert will have been [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► off the screen for a good 30 40 minutes [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► and he's not coming [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► yeah he's not it was a very good 32 [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► different hits just a different movie in [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► this in this part there's that I mean [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► there's some nice bits in here uh the [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► the Bruce Wayne when he comes in he says [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► he comments on our honor apart right [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► nice apartment right Monty nice place [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► lots of space and then so when the Joker [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► comes in he says nice place lots of [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► space and like they say the same things [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► that was that was kinda funny but you [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► know Bruce Wayne provokes the Joker come [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► on let's get nuts [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► I don't really understand why he does [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► it seems weird is the plan is for him to [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► be shot [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► we're right where he has the little [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► metal tray so that he doesn't die [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► I don't know it is a little coincidental [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► yeah I I don't understand why this scene [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► is the way it is because because if [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► anyone if the Joker is going to shoot [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► anyone anywhere [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► why would he aim for the heart he would [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► do like various parts of the body i want [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► you twitch and you know yet he would [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► name you and make you hurt until you're [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► coming man [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► it's Chinatown it's trying to town shake [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► at my only explanation and it's not a [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► good one [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► is the idea that that Bruce Wayne is [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► trying to be chivalrous and by time to [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► figure this out [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► yeah and if you keep intention on [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► himself and not Vicki less likely that [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► she's going to get her that but like I [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► said that still weak as water and it's a [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► really strange scene and it's because [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► they need the Joker to shoot Bruce there [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► so that he can say the dance with the [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► devil line [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► yeah which he always knows when he kills [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► people accept all those other times when [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► he doesn't say we kill people have a [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► right to killed several people by this [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► one saat yeah also that one time he said [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► it and pointed the gun to get in and [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► didn't didn't do it so you know yet but [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► he always telling you always done if you [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► missed it was being prepared [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► ok so he's not the most consistent guys [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► now I'm just I'm just grumbling about [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► that plot point so when he says that [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► though Michael Keaton does reaction that [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► is kind of a cool moment [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► speaking of the Joker's a brilliant [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► plans let's talk about his latest [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► brilliant plan which is he's gonna have [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► a parade where he's going to drop 20 [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► million in cash on the crowd for the [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► party [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► that's the a4 everything party or [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► whatever and uh it's uh it's weird [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► because very long [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► yeah yeah because first off first of its [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► kind of unclear about what's going on [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► and and the beginning again i'm going to [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► point out at the beginning of that scene [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► when the parade get started there's like [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► seven people there for the citywide raid [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► with 20 million catch seven people [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► no cops the same intersection that we've [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► seen several times before and a very [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► small like two lane street [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► yeah these huge budgets were not spend [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► on extras now I which is technically got [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► it all yeah i mean when we jump ahead to [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► Batman Returns there's not that many [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► people at that tree lighting so well you [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► know what every year so not watch it at [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► home from on television television yeah [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► there's more prints in the in the parade [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► those who get we get a little bit like [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► that and i actually was reminded in the [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► first sam raimi spider-man movie they [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► have the hooray for everything festival [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► where the green goblin attacks people [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► and there's balloons and stuff and this [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► is it's very much the same scene as this [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► except of course that actually is like [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► in Times Square and has lots of people [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► you know computer-generated people but [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► lots of people and i was i was reminded [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► of that while watching this [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► this is the the low budget version where [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► they have one block and you know 20 [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► extra I wondered how much they spent on [TS]

00:58:59 ◼   ► the sequence where Batman is angry and [TS]

00:59:01 ◼   ► he drives his car to the chemical plant [TS]

00:59:03 ◼   ► blows everything up because i thought [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► yeah that seems expensive and didn't [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► have much [TS]

00:59:08 ◼   ► yeah just rolls rolls the Batmobile and [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► drop some bombs blows up access [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► chemicals and and drives off like yay [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► take that chemical plants the movie did [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► not have enough explosions so think it's [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► a good thing nobody was in there [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► yep so robert wall makes this triumphant [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► reappearance here Monty you're going to [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► roberts he's totally doing what of [TS]

00:59:28 ◼   ► reporter at an event would do which is [TS]

00:59:30 ◼   ► he tells the photographer take pictures [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► that expect funny good good tip take for [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► pictures and then he writes a headline [TS]

00:59:40 ◼   ► out loud as he's taking pictures [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► Gotham's greed this is not how [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► journalism works this is not water [TS]

00:59:45 ◼   ► reporter does but at least robert [TS]

00:59:46 ◼   ► wallace back he knows the idea of [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► journalism there's been quite a little [TS]

00:59:51 ◼   ► earlier where he yells copy and times [TS]

00:59:54 ◼   ► completely unprepared for the kid right [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► next to say yes sir [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► don't have any copy for that it [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► don't have any copy for that it [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► if you haven't written a word liar [TS]

01:00:02 ◼   ► anyway there's a bit there's a bad plane [TS]

01:00:04 ◼   ► yeah Jason Jason that nice movie you got [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► here I like the Batmobile but we need to [TS]

01:00:08 ◼   ► sell to toys [TS]

01:00:10 ◼   ► how can you help me out what if what if [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► we have a bad plane that looks like the [TS]

01:00:14 ◼   ► Batman logo and he flies in front of the [TS]

01:00:15 ◼   ► Moon thereby creating a batman logo [TS]

01:00:18 ◼   ► okay that sounds great however i've only [TS]

01:00:20 ◼   ► got about eight bucks for the budget so [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► you can never have that appear next to [TS]

01:00:24 ◼   ► any actual actors because we're going to [TS]

01:00:26 ◼   ► make maybe like have you make a model of [TS]

01:00:27 ◼   ► it is that ok what we're going to do is [TS]

01:00:29 ◼   ► we're going to make a bad plane model [TS]

01:00:30 ◼   ► that's going to fly around and then [TS]

01:00:32 ◼   ► we're going to have a thing that we put [TS]

01:00:33 ◼   ► on like a golf cart that we dragged [TS]

01:00:35 ◼   ► along r1 street and and and what we'll [TS]

01:00:38 ◼   ► have is the bad plane will just get shot [TS]

01:00:40 ◼   ► by a gun and and crash and again another [TS]

01:00:43 ◼   ► young about apparently the original [TS]

01:00:45 ◼   ► script called for the choker to have a [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► tank to shoot the bad play down and then [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► for budgetary reasons his tank is [TS]

01:00:50 ◼   ► replaced with a gun home a gun while [TS]

01:00:53 ◼   ► somewhere in here is the scene that is [TS]

01:00:55 ◼   ► most tim burton e in the movie to me [TS]

01:00:57 ◼   ► which is when the plane grabs all the [TS]

01:01:00 ◼   ► balloons and flies away [TS]

01:01:02 ◼   ► oh yeah those balloons I'm positive are [TS]

01:01:06 ◼   ► based on the same sketches that led to [TS]

01:01:08 ◼   ► nightmare before christmas know those [TS]

01:01:11 ◼   ► blues are the same toys that are under [TS]

01:01:13 ◼   ► trees because those more than anything [TS]

01:01:17 ◼   ► else the movie say hi I'm Tim Burton I [TS]

01:01:20 ◼   ► like stuff that looks like this [TS]