77: I Don't Know Why You'd Call Them Friends
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from relay FM this is upgrade episode number 77 today's show
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is brought to you by pdf pen from smile mail route
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and fresh books my name is mike early and i'm joined by
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mr jason snell hi mike it is you sound fresh
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Today. I feel good today. I'm completely mended.
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Oh good, it's good. I'm glad that you're feeling
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fine. It's a good thing. We've got an action-packed show today.
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We do, there's a lot. There's a lot to cover.
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So much so that we have things in the document that we already kicked out
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till next week, so it's one of those. One of those weeks.
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But we should start off with some follow-up.
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I see a very proud note here at the top. Well, I mean,
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I didn't think that Marcel Proust was going to come up on the podcast, but it did, and
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you thought it was more like Dave Prowse, who played Darth Vader, than Marcel Proust.
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You know, I think that was genuinely where I was getting that pronunciation from.
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I think so. I think so, but several people said that it's Proust. So, there you go.
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That's what several people say that I'm right. Who am I to argue?
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I have found that when people say you are right on the internet, you should embrace
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it and run with it.
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Yeah, just say yes. Thank you. Yes. Great. We did learn something, though, from listener
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Gordon. We learned a word about a word.
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So if you remember last week, I was saying I liked the name "Colossal" and said that
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it had a sound to it, which made it sound big, but it's obviously not onomatopoeia,
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and listener Gordon wrote in to say that that is called an "ideophone" when a word sounds
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like its meaning as opposed to the action of the word, for example, with onomatopoeia.
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So thank you very much, Gordon, for that little tidbit of information.
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Yeah, that was... For all I know, I didn't check on listener Gordon. He may have made
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that word up, but it sounds great. So I'm gonna say yes. That's, again, thank you. That's
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awesome. It does colossal. It's amazing and colossal. Somebody wrote in, a few people
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wrote in and asked about the daily Kindle newspaper that I mentioned. They're like,
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"Oh, I'm intrigued. What's that all about?" And the answer is, "It's my local paper. It's
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the San Francisco Chronicle." And I get it because I want to know what's going on locally.
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I don't read it every day. I sort of go in -- there are times when I read it and times
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where I don't read it, sort of in cycles. But when my favorite sports teams are in action,
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I'm more likely to read it because they've got the articles about the sports. It's funny,
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newspapers, actually, because I've got a Kindle voyage. I love them, actually. They're super
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simple. It's text with like a single picture on some articles, you know, black and white,
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obviously, because the device is black and white. If you read on the iPad, they're in color.
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But it's just, there's no fancy layout. There are no ads. They are, you can navigate by article. So
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if you don't want to read a particular article, you just sort of swipe up and you go to the next
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article, you can bring up a table of contents and jump to a different article. They're actually
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pretty great and they're pretty cheap actually if you compare them to your, you know, digital
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subscription to a newspaper that lets you see it on the web or in an iPad app or something
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like that. And I'm really dreading the day that the Chronicle says we're not going to
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do the Kindle newspaper anymore if that ever comes to pass because they want to force me
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into their iPad app, which they just recently updated and it's actually much better than
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it was because their iPad app up until about two months ago was the one that essentially
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it's the one that came out when the iPad came out or a few months later where they're like,
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"Oh, newsstand is a thing and we'll build this thing." And it was very old. And the
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new one is better, but still it's like it brings you a big like grid of stories and
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you have to tap around and there's no just list of here's what we want you to read now
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or read today, and it's got ads in it all over the place,
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and it costs more.
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And I'd rather read on Kindle--
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read text on a Kindle than on an iPad, honestly.
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So yeah, it's one of those things
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that I don't know how many people actually even do
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Kindle newspapers anymore, but I kind of like it.
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That's exactly what I want in something like that,
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is I want a bundle of news, in this case locally relevant
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to me dropped on one of my devices once a day in a fairly simple text format that I
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can read. And the Kindle newspaper subscription actually does that, so I still do that. And
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yeah, so I know it's kind of old school and if anything in an e-book reader can be old
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school, this might be it.
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Do you kind of read it every day still, the newspaper?
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No, I don't read it every day. I read it, you know, I read it, like I said, it's more
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likely when my sports teams are in season because I want to read those pieces, although
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sometimes I've already read them on LinkTube from the Twitter accounts of the writers.
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Also it's frustrating the Kindle stuff is not tied into their subscriber database, so
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they have some subscriber features like you can read this if you're a subscriber, you
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can read this on the web now, but otherwise you'll need to wait until tomorrow morning
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to read it. And I can't read those because I'm not a subscriber in that way, I'm not
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in that database. So sometimes I'll read it, it really is like if the spirit moves me,
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And I do get in these cycles where I'm reading the paper every day and then other times where
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I'll go a week or two and I just I haven't read it at all.
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Yeah, it depends on what I'm reading and what else I'm doing and sort of just how the time
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of my life is.
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If I'm reading a book, I'm less likely to read that on the Kindle because I'm reading
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And if I'm going to pick up the Kindle and do some reading, I'm going to do it.
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Also depends on what's going on in Twitter and Slack and email because that's one of
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my morning routines. We should talk about routines at some point, but one of my morning
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routines is I get up and I feed the dog and I pour some tea that's been made by the automatic
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tea machine and I make myself some breakfast and I check Slack and email and Twitter and
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basically if there's not as much going on there then I will move on to the newspaper.
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Whilst we're talking about news, I just wanted to touch on something real quick. Now, I've
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mentioned this in many places that I actually try and actively avoid big news stories and
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things like that like I just don't keep up with the news through choice but I have been
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checking out the Quartz app quite simply because it is fantastic it's the best take on news
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I've ever seen effectively this app it's it's a iPhone app I'll put a link in our show notes
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It basically treats news reporting like an iMessage conversation.
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So it sends you little snippets, it's laid out like a message conversation with bubbles,
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and it sends you little snippets, little headlines or whatever, and then you can ask for more
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information about it.
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They have the replies that you can send the Quartz app a display to in little buttons
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so you can say like "give me more about this" or "tell me the next story" and they send
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charts, they send silly GIFs and stuff like that like you're actually having a conversation
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and it treats it like it's a real conversation like it greets you good morning and stuff
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like that and it has a really great, I think it's fantastic the way that it does ads so
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when you're done with all the news stories it'll be like oh we're you know there's nothing
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more now we'll maybe let you know things later oh and by the way it's brought to you by mini
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and then they should just show a picture of a mini.
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It's just like little things like that is really good and it has notifications but the
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notifications don't buzz or play sound on your phone unless it's huge huge news
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and you can choose what you want on and off but even when it sends you
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the message so it's sending you new messages it shows the little animation
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of that like in iMessages with the bouncing balls which it doesn't need to
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do that because it's not thinking but I love that it does that because it makes
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it feel more alive it's a very very interesting app and that's the main
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reason I'm looking at it because it's designed in a way that I haven't seen before, especially
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for an application that does what it does. So I think it's worth at least just checking
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out. So there you go.
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Let's let Kathy indulge herself with a pineapple and pepperoni pizza.
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Yeah, so it's funny. We talked about pizza. That was something that we talked about in
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Ask Upgrade last week. And I mentioned my love, again, that some people are horrified
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by for pepperoni pineapple pizza, which is just Canadian—it's a Hawaiian pizza without
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the Canadian bacon and pepperoni instead, if you want to think of it that way. If you
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want to try to make it fit into your boxes of pizza instead of just letting it be free
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like pizza should be. Ooh, free pizza, yay! So we talked about it, and that was last week,
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and then I went out to lunch with David Sparks after the show, because I was down in Orange
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County where he lives. And we get to one of these, it's like a brew pub, it's got this
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enormous menu. It's the kind of menu where there's like a table of contents because there's
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so many things on the menu. And I ended up seeing that they had pizza and I thought,
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you know what? I had a pepperoni pineapple pizza and it was delicious and I tweeted pictures
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of it. And then, so thank you for that, for the inspiration. And then yes, listener Kathy
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also took a picture of a--although hers had like a pineapple ring on it, which I think
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It didn't look like the pineapple had been cooked.
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I think, well, you don't really cook the pineapple--I mean, you bake it with a pizza, so it gets
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sort of softer.
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But you don't--but yeah, it looked like kind of a pineapple ring had been plopped down
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on it. I'm not sure that is ideal, but still, whatever, it's pineapple and pepperoni. It's
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It's going to be good anyway.
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So thank you, at least somebody has gotten the word about pepperoni pineapple pizza.
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Thank you, listener Kathy.
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Okay, so what else do we have before we round up follow-up this week?
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Well the other big thing is my task management philosophy or lack of saying that we talked
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about a lot.
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I really enjoyed having that conversation.
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I thought that was fun to break from the, you know, rehashing the news of the day and
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get some topical, you know, stuff in that's a little bit different. I thought that was
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fun. We should try to do that more. And what I heard from a lot of people was that they
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are still struggling with trying to find a system that works for them or struggling that
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any system they try doesn't seem to work for them, which is, boy, I hear that. That is
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definitely something that I identify with. So I just wanted to say, you know, we're all
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just kind of not everybody can have their problems solved by some of these systems and
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you can either give up or you can just keep trying or you can build your own system. I
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was encouraged by the number of people I found to sort of feel like me that any time invested
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in categorizing your to-dos is time you could spend doing things. And I totally understand
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the other argument there, which is that no, you're investing in organizations so that
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it will pay off with more productivity later. I totally understand that, but it's been a
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difficult thing for me to deal with. So it was nice to hear from people who also have
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have felt that way. And then I came across a post by Dr. Drang about, and this was a
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conversation that actually happened in the incomparable Slack channel, I think Lisa Schmeiser
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and Dr. Drang were talking about this, the writing things down on paper. You'll like
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this, it involves pens. And what Dr. Drang wrote this post, and we'll link it to it in
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the show notes that it's called "Putting the Paper in Task Paper." And he uses Task Paper
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as his organizational system, the app Task Paper, but what he does is he prints it. So
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he prints the to-do list out of Task Paper, and then he can take notes, he puts it in
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a binder, he can take notes, he can check things off, and then he, it sounds like he
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checks them off in the app at the end of the day, and the next day he'll print a new one.
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David: This is a good system, because I, believe it or not, tend to disagree with having a
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completely analog task management system, mainly for the fear of losing it.
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Tim: Right, right. So this keeps it around. I mean, what he says is he doesn't want to
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rewrite the ones that are still on there. He doesn't want to go and copy them to a new
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list. So this keeps a clean list every day. Although what Lisa said is she finds that
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she does tasks. I thought this was really interesting. So many games that you can play
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with your own mind, right? She does tasks sometimes because she doesn't want to have
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to copy them to the next day's to-do list.
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- That's a pretty great system.
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- Which is brilliant too. So there's a lot of ways to go here. But I think that Dr. Drang's
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system is very interesting, and this is very Dr. Drang, actually, I feel, is he's got a
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technological system that leads to paper. And I think that's kind of a cool idea, right?
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If it works for you and it works for him, that he's using an organizational app, task
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paper, to build these to-do lists, but then he's printing them out and putting them in
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his binder and he's got his pencil and he's checking things off and writing things down.
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And then at the end of the day, he, or the beginning of the next day, I'm not sure, he
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kind of reracks and does it again.
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- It's an excellent system indeed.
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- And you can use a pen with it.
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- Which I love.
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- I know, I know things about you.
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I had one other entry and this goes way back
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to when we talked about Back to the Future II
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on Myke at the Movies.
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And I just wanted to put a link
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and we'll put a link in the show notes to it.
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Todd Vizzeri who works at Industrial Light and Magic,
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they do, he did the, among other things,
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he did that shot of the TIE fighters
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coming out of the sunset in The Force Awakens.
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Pretty amazing stuff.
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But he sent a link out to this article
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that was in Starlog Magazine in the '80s
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that I just wanted to share.
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It's pretty cool.
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It is, you gotta read it on like archive.org
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and a scan from the article.
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But it's interesting because it'll make you think
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about Back to the Future a little bit differently
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and how the time travel works in it.
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And basically, I'm not sure I entirely agree
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with the theory, but it's really interesting. The idea of if Marty changes the past, spoilers
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by the way for Back to the Future, a movie that came out 31 years ago. If Marty changes
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the past so that his family's got a nicer house and his dad's not a, not a unsuccessful
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nerd but is a successful nerd and he's got a better truck and all those things, that's
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what happens at the end of Back to the Future. The question is, who's the Marty who grew
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up in that family. Like, if you believe that you're creating like a parallel universe
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with time travel rather than just rewriting it, there must have been a Marty who grew
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up in that life. And that isn't our Marty. Our Marty didn't grow up in that life. He
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grew up in a different life. And so it takes that and it runs with it and suggests that
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there's a second Marty who grew up in that life who travels, who also is working with
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Doc Brown, but his Doc Brown doesn't know about meeting Marty in the past. Or, no, his
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Doc Brown knows about meeting Marty in the past, right? Whereas Marty's Doc Brown doesn't
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know. Anyway, and it goes from there, and basically the suggestion is that that Marty
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ends up in the first Marty's timeline, which is terrible because in that timeline, Doc
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Brown has been shot to death, and his parent, he doesn't have the truck, he just has the
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skateboard in his parents' house, he's ratty and ramshackly, and his dad is kind of a failure.
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So they swap. Now I'm not sure I buy that entirely, but it is a fascinating idea that
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there has to be a second Marty who grew up in that timeline, and where does he go? Now
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maybe he goes to a third timeline. But the idea there is that when he travels back in
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Maybe they landed the DeLorean on top of it.
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Well, so no, the idea is, I think, that when he goes back in time, his Doc Brown is prepared
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because his Doc Brown met the original Marty. And so he probably, he says to Marty, "Don't
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change history, don't tell anybody. He goes, he has extra plutonium to use in the time
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machine to get back, because Doc Brown knows what's going to happen. And he doesn't hit
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the tree that they knocked over because they knocked it over in the first movie. So they
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go back and I think that's the idea is basically that Marty doesn't change history. He just
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goes back to the present, finds Doc dead, and that his parents now live in this worse
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house and he doesn't have his truck anymore. And that's good luck, Marty. And that's the
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end of his movie that we don't see. Anyway, it's a cool theory. And I wanted to share
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it. So thanks to Todd for, he said that he used to read that article like over and over
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and over again as a kid trying to understand the wiggly-ness of time travel. So it's fun,
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Thank you for sharing that. I feel bad for Marty too now. I feel very bad for him.
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Jason, there is a story that we must talk about.
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Yeah we must.
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Because I don't know if we'd be able to get away with it otherwise and that is the Federal
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Bureau of Investigation and Apple Incorporated.
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The little interesting scenario that's going on right now.
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So about a week ago this all came to light because Tim Cook published an open letter
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over on Apple.com.
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Now this, so far, I think has been spoken about and written about everywhere that technology
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is spoken about or written about.
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Yes. And will continue to be. And it changes just since I put this in the document last
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night, which just for appearing behind the scenes about my enthusiasm of us diving into
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this topic is the topic actually I literally typed, "I guess we need to talk about this,
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But since I typed that in, the FBI director posted on a blog about national security,
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basically saying, "No, no, no. This is just one thing that we're doing, and it's fine.
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So you should let us do it." And then Congress can pass laws that outlaw encryption later.
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Right? "All right. Let's do it." And then Tim Cook this morning did a letter to Apple
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employees and they posted an FAQ about Apple's take on this issue too. So this is moving
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fast. It's not just that everybody's talking about it, but it's also happening at a rapid
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rate. There's quite an impressive kind of war of PR happening between Apple and the
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United States government.
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David: I'm going to actually put a link in the show notes to a great roundup of links
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and articles over at MacStories.
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They have a bunch of notable things in there,
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so you can go and check all that stuff out.
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Now, basically, my feeling on this is
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there is no point in us going back and telling this story.
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Again, you can go and read the articles if you want to.
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But there were just a couple of parts
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that I wanted to talk about,
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which were, which felt important to me.
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And if you wanna throw anything in that you can.
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The thing is this topic is very messy, it's very complicated and as Jason mentioned it
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is still changing and it's changing at a rapid pace.
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And I think that really the best thing for us to do will be to come back to this when
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the situation develops to a resolution.
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Which is going to be over the next couple of months and there may be big things that
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happen over the next few weeks but I don't think it's worth us spending an hour today
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going through the whole thing.
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So one of the things that I wanted to just touch upon is being in the United Kingdom
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and how this affects me.
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I was going to say.
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Because this isn't spoken about a lot, right, because a lot of the news and a lot of the
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articles are generated in the US.
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Now there is a lot of outrage in the US about this of course because, you know, if the FBI
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does something, sets a precedent and, you know, and that's a problem there.
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But there's also the potential which Apple references is like, you know, once this software
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is created, once this version of iOS is created, it could find its way into the world. That
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is a risk, there can be a lot of things put into place to try and stop that, but we don't
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know how this is going to develop. For example if the FBI get it, and the FBI have this software
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because a court orders them to and that's how it ends up being, it could leak out. There
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is a possibility of that. And then anyone in the world can have it.
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in the United Kingdom, or also just quickly, if the government mandates that Apple need
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to change the way that iOS works and it's like it can't be this secure anymore or whatever,
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we don't really know how this is going to continue. So this is another example of, and
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this happens a lot, and this is probably going to upset some people but I'm going to say
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it anyway, of for some reason the United States of America thinking that they run the entire
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world and can make decisions that impact everyone. Being outside of the US we feel
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a lot of this kind of stuff that companies are told they need to do
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things or that things have you know laws are being put in place that would change
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everyone and this is another one of those types of things. I'm in the UK why
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should my security be implicated because of a US law and that is potentially how
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this is going to run unless what I hope would happen is that there would then be
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multiple versions of iOS some are in the US and some are outside because at least
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where we are at the moment in the European Union the European Union tends
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to have more of a like harsher line on these types of things I think and I can
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be corrected if I'm wrong but at least I feel that way now the United Kingdom has
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its own problems and we have our own stupid laws but they don't really seem
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to affect the wider world as much. And this one is just being outside of it and looking
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in, it's very frustrating to me that all of this is happening and that there are potential
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ramifications for everyone rather than people that are just in the US.
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Yeah, it's true. I mean, if you look at it on a broad scale, like just looking at Apple's
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financials, the US is its biggest market. They feel that China is going to be its biggest
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market. The European market is roughly, I think, where the Chinese market is right now.
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It's a huge market. And so you've got these three entities whose markets are vitally important
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to Apple's business present and future. And all of them have an impact, right? I mean,
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Apple is an American company, and so what the U.S. government wants to have them do,
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it definitely has a huge impact. But we've seen examples in the past where the EU has
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thrown its weight around and made companies behave in certain ways. And sometimes those
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have ramifications worldwide because you don't want to have three different products in three
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different places. And China is the same way, although, I mean, one of the things is there's
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nothing stopping China from demanding certain things of Apple other than the fact that it
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is difficult for Apple to comply with them. But if Apple is changing its strategy to open
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up cracks because it needs to for the FBI or for the Justice Department or for the NSA
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or for whoever in the US government, then those cracks are open and then China can say,
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"Well, we want that too. We know it exists and if you want to do business in our country,
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you will give us access to that stuff too." And so that's part of it is if once you engineer
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that thing in, the place that has the most leverage forces you to engineer it in and
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then everybody else says, "Well, yeah, I want that too." So, I mean, yeah, it's a mess.
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There's so many different things going on here. It's highly technical when you're talking
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about encryption. There are legal issues. And then there are these cases where there
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are ramifications way beyond specific issues because it does impact every, you know, potentially
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every Apple product sold in the world, even though it's a, you know, a request by the
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FBI in the United States.
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then, you know, you keep pushing it and it's not just Apple, it's everyone, right?
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Sure, I mean, Google is on the line here too. You know, Google's challenge is that so many
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of their, they're an American OS vendor and, you know, obviously services vendor, but with
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Android, they make the operating system, but they also got hardware partners, so it's a
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little more complex there and a lot of their hardware partners are not in the United States,
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But still, you know, if this impacts Apple, then it's going to affect Google and it's
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going to affect Microsoft and that's going to be a challenge.
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And this is, I'd say everything we know about this now, this is a fight that is being picked
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by the US government and it's being picked as a precedent and it's being picked in the
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most extreme circumstances where this is about the phone of somebody who killed a bunch of
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people and pledged their support for a terrorist organization and it killed a bunch of people
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on US soil. So it's going to be a very heated conversation and it's taking on Apple, which
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has been the most extreme in terms of the companies, the tech companies, in terms of
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defending its customers from intrusions from the government. So this is a choice that the
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FBI has really made. And that's a fact because Apple actually asked for this to happen behind
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the scenes in an off-the-record, you know, sealed discussion. And the FBI said, "Nope,"
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because the FBI wanted this to be public. This is their calculated choice to raise this
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issue with this heated example and with the most extreme tech company in terms of fighting
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them on this stuff. So here we are.
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Yeah, one of the other things I find really interesting and this might just be because
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I've been watching Making a Murderer so there's a lot of mistrust about law enforcement in
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my brain. The idea of the past, the iCloud password being changed and what that means
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for all of this. John Gruber wrote a great article on this that again we'll put in the
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show notes but that is a whole big thing that apparently the county changed the password,
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the San Bernardino County changed the iCloud password for the account that was attached
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to the phone at the FBI's request which is so, it just adds this like layer of what is
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happening here. And Gruber sums it up quite nicely, and I'm going to destroy it by trying
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to summarize it. Did they do this because they were stupid and didn't realize that this
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would then mean that the phone couldn't back up to iCloud where Apple could extract data?
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Or did they do this so they could set this whole thing up? Nobody knows.
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Nobody knows.
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That's very interesting.
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Nobody knows.
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That was a—yeah, there was a colossal IT failure there, but—unless it wasn't a failure,
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but I think, again, I would choose incompetence over malevolence every time.
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It's probably technical incompetence, because there's a lot of technical issues here.
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I expect the same.
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It's interesting that Apple was saying, "No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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Don't do that.
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Don't do that.
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Don't do that."
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And meanwhile, somewhere else was like, "Yeah, let's try that.
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See what happens."
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And so that's what they did.
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reset the password and that was a mistake because otherwise it could have been on a
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familiar Wi-Fi network. Also, one thing that you won't find the FBI talking about a whole
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lot is that both of the shooters had their own personal phones and they destroyed those
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phones after the attacks, I believe, and before they were found, they destroyed those phones.
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That changes the narrative a lot if they're like, "Well, we got to get access to his work
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phone that he used for work because there could be a lot of special stuff on that."
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well, what are the chances that there's a lot of special stuff on that given that they
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had other phones that belong to them and that they specifically destroyed after the attacks
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so that you couldn't see what was on them. All right, you know, but again, that clouds
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the narrative so that doesn't really come out. It's yeah, it's a fascinating thing.
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I will say one thing that I've learned in all of this is brute forcing a passcode, which
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is what the FBI wants Apple to do and which it can, you know, Apple could even do on devices
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beyond the 5C because it turns out that the secure enclave firmware can also be altered
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theoretically by Apple to allow this. And that's what the FBI wants is to attach this
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iPhone to a computer and just send it passcodes until it unlocks, you know, and not auto wipe.
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They want to modify that and be able to send it remotely so that instead of sitting there
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you're going, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,
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oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,
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oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,
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oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,
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oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
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and trying all of them until it gets it open. That was my sound effect of a computer.
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It was very good.
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Boop. It boops is what it does. So, you know, in brute force scenario like that,
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four-digit passcode is going to fall really fast. So Apple has already switched. Another example of
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Apple trying to kind of like outpace this, Apple already has switched to recommend that people use
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six-digit passcodes, which really helps in terms of the amount of time a brute force method would
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would take. And if you go to an alphanumeric passcode, which I have now, and since I got
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touch ID, and I would recommend, that's much harder to be brute forced. So, you know, and
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again, it's like, well, I can hear somebody saying, "Well, what are you saying before
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we commit crimes?" I'm like, "No, you know, this is the thing is I have nothing to hide.
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I'm not a law breaker" is the exact wrong thing to say because this starts with searching
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a horrible crime like this, but there are lots of places that it can end up where things
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that you do that you're fine with, things you believe could end up being something that
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And you know, we carry our lives in these little devices and it's very important.
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I actually think it's not just important in terms of us as a society in the world, not
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just in the United States, but I think it's also important in terms of technology, because
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if it becomes very clear that the data we put on our phones is compromised and viewed
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by everybody or viewable by everybody, one of the things it's going to do is it's going
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to hinder the progress of technology, potentially, because people will start to say, "I can't
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trust my phone.
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I'm not going to use that method.
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I'm going to use different methods." And that's kind of crazy, but that could happen.
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So I don't know. There's a lot here and it's ongoing and I'm firmly in Apple's
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camp on this one. I really am. I think that law enforcement always wants everything it
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can possibly get and it is the job of everybody else in society to say there's a line you
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cannot cross because, yes, they want to make us safe, but they also want to know everything
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and have complete control and have the right to do anything they want. And down, you know,
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police states and totalitarian states can be very safe and very low on crime, but they're
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not a place anyone will want to live. And so you got to back off that and you got to
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say, where do we draw the line where we give law enforcement power to enforce the law and
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to investigate horrible crimes without opening the door to governments and criminals from
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looking at all of the things that we do in our lives. And, you know, I think Apple has
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to push back on this because at this point, the environment in the United States government,
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it seems to be that there's nobody else who is going to say no because they don't understand
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the technology and they don't understand the ramifications. And it is very hard to stand
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up and say no when somebody says, "These are radical terrorists who killed innocent people
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in California, why do you want to, as one senator said, Senator, US Senator said last
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week, why do you want to protect the terrorists like Apple does? Somebody has to stand up
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and say this isn't about protecting terrorists, this is about protecting the citizens of our
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country and free people all over the world and giving them privacy and security.
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Let's leave it there on that for today, and I'm sure we'll come back to this over the
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next couple of weeks.
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I'm sure there's more to come.
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We actually both have kind of pet topics today.
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Things that both of us really care about, and the other one is that maybe a little bit
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lukewarm about.
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I don't know, but we'll see.
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Way to sell it, Myke.
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Get ready for half the host to be less interested, people.
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What we're probably going to be doing now is splitting our audience, right?
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So we're going to be tickling the fancy of 50% at a time.
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I promise to be enthusiastic about what you're talking about. No, I'm sorry. I can't make
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that promise.
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So, I'm always interested in this every single year. It's Mobile World Congress. So this
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is where tons of mobile phone stuff happens. And usually it's a bunch of Android phones
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because Apple's never there.
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And they also have a lot of, you know, now we're getting a lot of additional products
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as well because mobile phone manufacturers manufacture tablets and cameras and wearables
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and all that kind of stuff. But there were two phone announcements that happened yesterday
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that I wanted to touch on because I think it's showing a few interesting developments
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and maybe some stuff that I would like to see come to my phone of choice. So Samsung
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announced the Galaxy S7 and the S7 Edge. And I'll put some links in the show notes to some
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videos and kind of first hands-on type stuff from those and I wanted to run
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through a few of the features in the S7 line that I think are very
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interesting. Now this first one bear with me, an SD card slot. Now Samsung removed
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this in the S6 because they removed the ability to have a the back used to come
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off right and some of the Galaxy phones but in the S6 it was all sealed in so
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SD card slot wasn't available anymore but now they've put it back in it looks like a sim card tray
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now the reason that i think an SD card slot is interesting is it removes the 16 gigabyte problem
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because the phones are expandable now i don't think apple would ever add an SD card slot to
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the iphone correct but i think it is an interesting thing to think about as a way to remove something
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that we all consider to be an issue, which is the 16 gigabyte iPhone, the fixed storage.
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I don't think Apple thinks it's an issue. Oh, no, I was very specific in saying that we think
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it's an issue. Yeah, well, I mean, it allows you to do a phone with a lower spec in terms of storage
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and say, "Look, if you want more storage, just throw in a card." It does that. And it allows
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you to let it grow over time, right? You can keep expanding it. And this actually brings me on to,
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This wasn't a phone that was announced at Mobile World Congress, but it is a really interesting
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take on phone storage and it's a phone called the NextBit Robin. What this does, this phone is an
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Android phone, it comes with a 100 gigabyte cloud account. I think every single phone is 32 gigabytes
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they don't offer anything else. What it does is the the OS is built so that it will automatically
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offload data to the cloud. But not just your photos and that kind of stuff but also applications
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and the data stored inside of applications. So they are removed from your phone
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from a storage perspective and saved in the cloud and what they do is those applications
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their icons go gray and you can download them on demand. And I think this is really interesting.
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Like if I look at some of the apps on my phone, I may use them very rarely and having that
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storage back might be good for somebody who has a smaller phone with the ability to just
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grab the application within like 30 seconds as a wait for it to download.
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And the idea of everything happening automatically, you know like it's just all the phone handles
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it for you, feels like a very Apple way to solve this problem.
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- Yeah, I mean, it introduces a bunch of other issues though,
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right, it introduces the issues of what if that's an app
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that you only ever use when you're out in the woods,
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it's your hiking app, right?
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Then you have to either set it as being don't delete or--
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- Which you can do.
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- Yeah, but again, then you're doing app management
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in terms of manually saying, what do I want to sync
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and what do I not?
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or, you know, depending on your, uh, you're somewhere and you've got a limited data plan
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and now you're somewhere and you're on cellular and now you have to download. There are issues.
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I mean, it's clever. It's clever. And I feel like at some point this is going to happen with all of
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our devices is you're not going to think about storage anymore because transfer speeds will be
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be so huge and our data allotments will be so great and the intelligence of these devices
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will be so great that you won't really even know what's on your device and what's in the
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cloud. That's where we're going eventually, yeah.
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I think so. And so going back to the… so that was one thing. But going back to the
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S7 again, a couple of other features that it has. It's waterproof up to 1.5 meters
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for 30 minutes, which I think is something that we can all agree is something we'd
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in the iPhone, right? Just let it be waterproof. Yeah, exactly. It has wireless charging by
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induction, like the Apple Watch, you can put it on a pad. And it also has fast charging.
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I would like both of these features on the iPhone. The fast charging stuff is really
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cool. I don't know the statistics because all the Android phones differ, but it would
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get you to a much higher percentage in a quicker period of time, right? Like that. It's I know
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this happens a lot with phones that they charge quicker up to a certain point and then it's
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like the last 20% takes the majority of the time but these phones are built and Android
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is built with the capability to get to that point much faster which is very interesting.
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But the key feature that I really like here is an always on display. So the black area
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of the display, right when it's off you know your phone's just black, you can have the
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S7 display information to you like the time and date, you can have a calendar on there
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or you can even have notifications pop up and they'll just pop up on the display,
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the display doesn't turn on, it just appears in those areas and I think it's because they
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use a Super AMOLED display.
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Now those features, especially those last three, I mean the SD card slot, I don't care
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for it but it is an option to solve a problem, but those last three features, I want all
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of those things in my iPhone today.
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I'm a wireless charging skeptic. I'm not sure. It's all in the details there, but...
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I'll tell you why I would like it, and it's the Apple Watch that's made me want it.
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I put my phone in the same place every night.
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I would like to just put it down, as opposed to find the cable and plug it in.
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And I know that it's such like a "what is wrong with you" kind of thing,
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but I really like that I... 'cause my Apple Watch charger is fixed to my bedside table.
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and just taking it off and putting it down and picking it up again, I like that.
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Because as well a lot of the time I'm putting my phone on charge when the room is dark and
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I have a few cables, I have like an iPhone cable and a MacBook cable plugged into the
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same part next to my bed and I will guarantee you no matter whatever I do I always end up
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with the MacBook cable in my hand.
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So then I have to find the iPhone cable.
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So I put the MacBook cable down and I pick up the MacBook cable again, right?
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happens every night, and then I have to try and find where to plug it in, and I plug it
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in, and I put it down. I would much prefer to just rest my phone on the little charging
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cradle or whatever, and it just charges. That's nice.
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A couple things. One is that the Apple Watch can only charge that way. And, you know, these
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phones that can charge by induction will also be able to charge via a wire. Because one
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of the challenges with the Apple Watch is you have to bring that thing with you, the
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little puck, everywhere you go, because it's the only way to charge that thing. You can't
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double up with a lightning cable or something like that. And again, I think it's in the
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details. If every device that you own more or less ends up being something that you can
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have, you know, you can have a pad in a couple places in your house where you can lay things
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down and they charge, then that's great. I just, that's not a feature that super excites
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me, induction charging. It's fine. I see why it appeals to you. I think waterproofing is
00:43:47
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is more exciting because I was just in Orange County over the weekend and my mother-in-law
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went and got a new iPhone because her iPhone fell on the toilet.
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What do you think about the always-on display stuff?
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I like that. I think that's a great feature. You've got to have an OLED screen to do that
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because of the way... Like on the Apple Watch because you need to use power. The way it
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works is it only... When you light up a Pixel is the only time it uses power. And that's
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It's different from the LCD screens that have to shine the bright lights behind in order
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for you to see anything. So I think it's very clever, and I would love to see Apple do something
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like that. You know, on the Apple Watch too.
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Yeah, most definitely.
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The Apple Watch should have it always on display too. But they would have to kill animations
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and reduce... There's a lot of work they would have to do, and it's unclear whether they
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could do that and have all day battery life because if they could, they perhaps would
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have and they didn't, so they probably can't. But I would love to see that on an iPhone.
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I would love to be able to get the time and some basic notifications on a glance on the
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iPhone without -- at any moment. But --
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>> There are Android Wear devices that do this, and they have all day battery life and
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they show the time and they show basic information always. So it is technically possible to do.
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So I would love to see Apple do that too please.
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I think if we don't get, we've either watch OS 3 or we've watched 2, basically if we get
00:45:17
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to the end of this year and the Apple Watch isn't always on, I think that's ridiculous
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I think that is something that has to happen because it is frustrating as an Apple Watch
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user to, like I'm looking at my watch right now, it's down over there where it's holding
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pen for my pen tablet and I can't see the time. And the gesture doesn't work every time.
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If the gesture worked 100% of the time with me lifting my wrist then it would be mainly
00:45:46
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okay but it doesn't right because technology doesn't work like that.
00:45:51
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Another phone which is interesting in different ways is the LG G5. So a couple of things the
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LG G5 has, one of them is a dual camera system and this gives the phone a wider field of
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view and I think helps with focusing. The reason I bring that up is because there was
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a rumor earlier this year that the 6 Plus will have two cameras for this stuff, which
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will allow the phone to be able to push photography in a further way. But what interests me about
00:46:17
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the LG G5 is this modular nature of it. So you can pop out the bottom of the phone, like
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the chin comes off, and it brings the battery out with it. And currently they have two other,
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calling them friends which is one of the worst names I've ever heard in technology I don't
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know why you call them friends call them modules or adapters anything else friends is such
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a weird name but these they're basically additional functionality you can add to your phone with
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hardware so one of them is a camera grip what this does is you plug this into the bottom
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it gives you a bigger battery there is a grip that you can hold so it's more like how you
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would hold an actual physical camera right so you can put your hand around it and grip
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it with one hand. It has a zoom dial, a shutter button and a dedicated video button as well.
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So if you are someone who really loves to take photos with your phone it gives you additional
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functionality to do that in hardware which is interesting. They also have a tie-in with
00:47:13
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Bang & Olufsen to have a DAC and AMP built into it which you can plug in. This does introduce
00:47:19
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a second 3.5mm audio jack to the phone which is very peculiar but it allows you to play
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high quality audio streams. So these are things that are interesting. Apple would never go
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down this route, but I really like the idea of being able to put together your favorite
00:47:39
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Well, that's the best thing about Android is that you can have this level of variation
00:47:43
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because most almost all people do not want the, you know, some of these features. But,
00:47:51
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know, it's a differentiator for LG and lets you customize and, you know, more like a computer
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where you can kind of slide things in and out and have those modules that you want installed
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and not the ones you don't. And I think that's very interesting. Yeah, this is not... The
00:48:08
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thing that's interesting here, I think for me, is this idea of the dual camera system
00:48:12
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because there have been rumors that Apple is working on something like that and that
00:48:15
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makes a lot of sense. How do you up your photography game? Because that's one of the places where
00:48:19
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Apple needs to continue to improve where the competition is strong and just even without
00:48:25
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competition you want the iPhone camera to be better. And so the more clever things you
00:48:30
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can do with software and multiple sensors to make that better and improving the sensors
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is really important. I'm a little less, I'm one of those people who just rolls their eyes
00:48:39
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when I hear about high quality audio because most audiophile stuff, sorry audiophiles,
00:48:44
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most audio file stuff is not actually provably better than less audiophile-y stuff. And I
00:48:51
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believe the B&O thing that goes in this phone is actually up sampling, which is why. But
00:48:58
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anyway, there's a market for it because there are people who pay a lot of money for the
00:49:02
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highest quality DAC and amp and that's, you know, bless 'em. And the camera thing is interesting
00:49:09
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because we've seen these things you attach onto an iPhone, onto the edge of an iPhone
00:49:14
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that make it into a camera and stuff. So it's an interesting idea to say, you pop in this
00:49:19
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module and your phone is now a really good camera. That's a cool idea.
00:49:24
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I've heard him talk about this in shows as well, but do you remember David Sparks had
00:49:27
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that little camera, XOXO? Yeah, that's the one, yeah.
00:49:30
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So you would take it, you didn't even have it plugged in, but you'd plug in this camera
00:49:34
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at the end of your iPhone. So there is a market for this stuff. And the modular nature is
00:49:38
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interesting to me. I've had my eye on and will continue to watch out for Project Aura
00:49:42
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which is a company that Google bought and they're basically trying to build a smartphone
00:49:48
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where you would basically compile it with all of the things that you want.
00:49:52
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Yeah, that's never going to happen.
00:49:54
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Well, you know, if it does it'll be amazing. If it doesn't then shame on that. There was
00:49:59
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one thing I wanted to go back to the Galaxy S7 for a moment and I'm sorry I forgot to
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mention this but I want to go back to this quickly. I want to talk about the design of
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the phone because I think the the sound that the the argument of Samsung copying
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Apple I think is a little played out at this point we know it happens you can
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continue to show me the phone stacked on top of each other like I understand
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right that the grill placement and the headphone jack placement it looks very
00:50:28
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similar all right I get that but I wanted to draw attention to the edge so
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So this is the phone, the Galaxy S7 and the Galaxy S7 Edge.
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The Edge is a slightly larger phone and it has a screen which wraps around the edges,
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So the screen actually wraps around the edge of a curved glass.
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I think this is one of the best looking smartphones available today.
00:50:52
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The curved screen adds a little bit of utility and functionality, but not a ton, but it adds
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some extra bits and they're putting more into it.
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Very little.
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They've put more into it.
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whatever. But that's not what I'm talking about here.
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Like I just think that the design of this is very different to what we've seen
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before. Nobody else makes a phone like this. Uh,
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and I think it looks stunning and I wanted to point that out because I think in
00:51:17
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our community or Samsung ever get is you copied, you copied, you copied.
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But this is something that they did on their own that I think looks good and I
00:51:26
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look forward to the email that I will receive. Um,
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and being told as I'm usually told when I ever say things like this, that I should switch
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to Android because I don't deserve Apple devices. So I welcome that feedback from Apple.
00:51:39
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I was just going to say that the Edge display is very Samsung in that it's something that
00:51:43
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they know how to do technically and have no idea what to do with it. And it's not useful
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in any way. And they're desperately adding software features to try to explain how it
00:51:53
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could be useful, but they're really not good at software and they're really not good at
00:51:55
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user interface. So it's just kind of pointless. I agree it is a very impressive bit of technology
00:52:00
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it's probably the other premium smartphone, really, compared to the iPhone, is the Galaxy
00:52:09
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S6 and now 7 Edge, because that's like the high end of the Samsung phones. And I think
00:52:19
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it's fair, I think it was fair for people to really knock Samsung for the S6, because
00:52:24
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they were not just aping Apple, but they were turning their back on some of the key features
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that people want in an Android phone to ape Apple, like the fact that it didn't have upgradeable
00:52:33
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Yeah. And they've gone back and fixed some of that now, which is good.
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And they addressed that with by putting it in the SIM tray, I think. But that was, I
00:52:42
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think, a fair accusation for the S6, because I think the story was not just that they were
00:52:49
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copying Apple, but they were actually kind of like breaking some of their important features
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that their customers had relied on in order to copy Apple, which is like, no, don't do
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that. That's bad. But, you know, I, yeah, so I think the Edge is an impressive device.
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I just, I'm skeptical because all the, you know, Samsung, the story of Samsung to me
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is that they have very impressive hardware and then they put their kind of software junk
00:53:10
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on top of it and most of their software is junk and it makes Android worse. And they
00:53:15
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try to justify features that they add that are kind of dumb, but they can add them because
00:53:19
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they have the hardware prowess and then they just kind of can't live up to it with their
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software. That's my knock on Samsung. And I'm surprised that they haven't gotten—I
00:53:27
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mean, I guess they've gotten better at it, but it's still a problem with them.
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Not really. It took them six months to put the most recent version of Android out.
00:53:35
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I'm just saying, if I were to buy an Android phone today, I would not buy a Samsung. I
00:53:39
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would buy one that's running stock Android. I would buy one of the Nexus. I did actually
00:53:43
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buy a 5X, but I did it because it was cheap and I wanted a reference system so I can say,
00:53:47
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"Oh, here's what this app looks like on Android."
00:53:49
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And I didn't want to spend the money on a 6, yeah.
00:53:51
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- I am gonna buy a Nexus 6P at some point
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because I'm very interested in it
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and I like to have an Android device around.
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So that's on my shopping list.
00:54:01
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I wanna throw out one thing,
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which is the Sony Xperia Ear.
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Just because I've talked about this before,
00:54:10
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this idea that perhaps the future is not VR goggles
00:54:14
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or glasses that you wear with cameras on them.
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Perhaps the future is things like,
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things that talk to you and that you talk to.
00:54:23
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And I think it's interesting that people
00:54:25
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are increasingly interested in and intrigued
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about whether this is gonna be a good product or not.
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I have my doubts, but it's interesting in that it is,
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the idea there is you stick it in your ear
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I think this is not the right approach now, but I think that as technology improves, these
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headset? Kind of, but you know, they're trying to make it more like it's an Amazon Echo that
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is just stuck in your ear. It's interesting, but impractical it seems.
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So I always find Mobile World Congress interesting. I think that there's some interesting stuff
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there, and you can see how they compete with each other and they try and push things forward.
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Not everything works, but at least there's stuff happening.
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Yeah, it would be not a very interesting world if everybody... it was just Apple and then
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Apple needs to be motivated and competition is good.
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So what's your topic, Jason?
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Oh, my topic is home automation.
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We've had this on the schedule for a while. I just wanted to touch on it. I thought it
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would be fun to talk about something that's a little less tied to the news of the day.
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I got an Amazon Echo as mentioned earlier. I got one over the weekend.
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All of my friends are buying them. Federico just bought one.
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Tiffany and Marco just bought one, yeah. Why did you do it?
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I did it because I feel like enough people are trying it and using it and then integrating
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it into their lives that it seems like there's something there. None of those people who
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bought them have reported to me that they used it for a while and now they don't use
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it anymore. Instead, they keep saying, "Oh, I use it for this thing now and now I use
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it for this other thing." And I think that's interesting and it shows that Amazon keeps
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trying to improve the product and tie it into more stuff. And so I was intrigued by that
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and I thought, "Well, I need to actually try this." I was gonna buy one when it first came
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out and Dan basically said he was gonna buy one. I said, "Well, then you go ahead and
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you write about it." And it's become one of his favorite things. So I bought one. I'm
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also trying to find replacements for my audio stuff in my house because the Logitech stuff
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is kind of fading away, the SqueezeBox stuff, and doesn't support Apple Music and doesn't
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do, you know, it doesn't have Bluetooth. And so it's kind of, it's more problematic, although
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of the things I still like about it.
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So I've been trying some Sonos gear out,
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and then I decided I would try the Echo for that too,
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because it's a speaker, internet connected,
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and it's got Bluetooth, so I can attach my phone to it
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if I wanna listen to a podcast or something like that.
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So yeah, so I bought one,
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and I set it up over the weekend.
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- What are you liking about it?
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What is it adding, or what are you replacing?
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- Well, I've got it in the kitchen where I have had,
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I tried out a Sonos speaker there,
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I had the Logitech squeeze box there for quite a while. And I, you know, it's taking some
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getting used to. It's tied into this Amazon ecosystem. I don't have access via voice control
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to all of my music. If I want to listen to Apple music, for example, I have to stream
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it from my phone because it's tied to Amazon's Prime Music Library. And Amazon's Prime Music
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Library has a bunch of stuff. I haven't uploaded my entire music collection onto Amazon. So
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I can't sort of arbitrarily tell it to play one of my playlists or all the songs from particular artists that I have in my library.
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It doesn't...
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less far along than I think some people will be with it because it doesn't integrate with a lot of the home
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automation stuff that I do have. I think this is one of the problems is that it's so early for this stuff that a
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lot of it hasn't
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connected with with everything else. They're still sort of competing in their own silos
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in some extent. So I've got a couple of LIFX light bulbs and there's no native support
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on the Echo for that. There's a task, I think they call it, where you can connect and it
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doesn't work. I can't get it to control my light bulbs. I can get it to control WEMO
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switch like Dan Morin does. I can't get it to talk to the Nest thermostat because Nest
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doesn't have direct integration and the third party thing that connects has apparently run
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into its API limit with Nest.
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What third party thing is that?
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There's a third party connection. See, this is one of those things where you can do third
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party connections inside the Echo where it's, like I said, I think it's called a skill.
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It's a skill. And basically a skill is like a plugin that goes out to the web and does
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something and then brings the information back, but it's not something that's programmed
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directly by Amazon.
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Have you taken a look at Wink?
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This is something that Dan Morin suggested and I'm using it for something.
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Yeah, yeah, so there are connections and I have more to explore, but it's just interesting
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that a lot, I've run into a lot of roadblocks, but the nice thing about it is, it is good
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at some things and it's a Bluetooth device.
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And that's actually great because one of the challenges I had in my kitchen was that the
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squeeze box doesn't have Bluetooth. And so if I wanted to play something from my phone,
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I have to plug it into a cable. And it's nice to not have to do that. And so I've got access
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to everything. It'll play everything that I've got on my phone as well as everything
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that it has access to. And there is something nice about being across the room and saying,
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know, play this kind of music and it does a, you know, an Amazon Prime playlist shuffle.
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That's pretty cool. So I think this is a good idea for a product. I'm a little surprised,
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one, I'm surprised that Sonos doesn't have voice stuff built into their stuff yet, and
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I'm a little surprised that Apple hasn't built a little home hub with a speaker and with
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Siri built in. I'm a little surprised that we haven't seen a home kit essentially hub
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with Siri built in because the appeal, one of the appeals of the Echo is that it has
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really good microphones. It can pick up sound a lot better than the, than your iPhone can.
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So you can control it from all over the place. And it's, you know, and it, if your phone's
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in your pocket, you can't control Siri right then because it's in your pocket. So you got
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to take it out and all that. And then this is just, it's, it's ambient. It's just in
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your house and you can send it commands. And I think, and then it'll play music and it'll
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talk to you and things like that. I think that's pretty smart, I think that's clever.
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I think having a device that's not just, you know, "Oh, go to your iPhone for that" or
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"Go to your Apple Watch for that," but like, no, I've got this hub in my house that talks
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to my other stuff and talks to me. I think that's a good idea, so I'm a little surprised
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that we haven't seen more of these. I suspect the Echo seems to have gotten some momentum,
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I suspect we will.
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Yeah, it seems more and more possible that this type of thing could exist, because the
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Echo exists and is seeming to, well, at least in our world, gain some traction. Who knows
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how many people are actually really buying this thing?
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Well, you know, they had a Super Bowl ad. They've been supply constrained. It's often
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very hard to find, you know, it goes in and out of stock. One of the reasons that I bought
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one, this may have happened for several of us, is that they were suddenly saying, "It'll
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ship right away." It's like, "Wow, it'll ship right away. I won't have to wait for three
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weeks to get the new shipment in. That's pretty great." But I think, sometimes I think that
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too much is made of the idea that in our circles people are interested in something and that
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doesn't mean that other people will be interested in it because the way I've always approached
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it and I found this to be the case is tech savvy people are not, how should I put this,
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tech savvy people are telling us what non-tech savvy people will want two years from now,
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years from now, six years from now. I think that I have found that to be more often the
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case, especially when it's not like, oh, well, I picked up this new gadget because it's a
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new gadget and I pick up all the new gadgets, but it's like, no, I really like this one
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and I've integrated this into my life in this interesting way. I feel like more often than
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not when you observe the early adopters, you were getting a read on what the world will
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do later. Right? And so that's what intrigues me about this, is that this is an interesting
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product that might point the way to something that has, you know, it's the equivalent of
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having that whole home computer that you talk to that's in a science fiction movie. This
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is basically that. It's Amazon plopping a microphone and a speaker down in the middle
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of your house and you can talk to it and it tells you what's going on. And that's cool.
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And a phone-focused company like Apple didn't do that.
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Yeah, well, because they think, I guess, that it should all be in the phone, right?
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Or the Apple TV remote, I guess.
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I mean, that's the interesting thing is if you're...
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Yeah, I mean, I guess it's in the phone and the watch and the Apple TV remote.
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I think what's intriguing about the Echo is that for some people in some circumstances,
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It adds that level of ambient sensing, right, where you don't have to do anything, take
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anything out, push any buttons. This is true if you've got your iPhone out somewhere laying
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around, but if you've got it in your pocket, you can't really talk to it in there. And
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its microphones are not gonna—they aren't as effective at picking this stuff up as the
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Echo is. Anyway, I don't know, it may be ridiculous. It may be a ridiculous product and I may end
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up not liking it, but I feel like it got to the point where I wanted to try it. So, you
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know, and I've got my, my house is a, is a mess. I mean, I don't need to go into
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more details about this, but you know, I've got, I've got the, I've got the, um,
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the nest, uh, thermostat I wrote about smart thermostats for wire cutter and
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sweet home. I wrote about IP cameras, like the, like the nest cam and the
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Canary. And there are a bunch of others or for wire cutter. Um, I got that team
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making machine that, that is not that there's something to be said for devices
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that are not smart but are smart.
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You know, it's a dumb device.
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It isn't connected to the internet,
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it isn't connected to Bluetooth or anything, but it's--
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- Does some clever things.
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- Yeah, it moves, you know, it makes tea.
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On a timing schedule, it'll drop the,
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boil the water, drop the basket,
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pull the basket back out again,
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and beep at a particular time.
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You know, it's interesting.
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Although immediately Dan Morin's thought was,
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when he got one, was it would be great
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if I could tell it to go with an app on my phone.
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I'm like, all right, fine, yeah, I suppose.
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But I don't know, the--
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- There are some things you could do, right?
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Like I'm sure you could,
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could you plug it into a Wiimote switch?
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- No, this is, and same with the dehumidifier
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that I have in my house, that it,
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powering it on and off at the plug
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does not turn it on and off.
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- Tell you what we need,
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somebody to create a little robot thing.
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- Button pusher?
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- That, yeah, it's just a button pusher.
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- Little actuator, little button pushing robot,
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that probably already exists.
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beep. Yep. What's the sound effects today? Tied it to a Raspberry Pi and you know it
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crawls along your, it crawls along your kitchen counter. John Siracusa would say that's still
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not a robot and pushes the buttons that you need to. So I have to say that the connected
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home stuff is becoming more and more prevalent in my life. I feel like I'm talking about
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it more often and that kind of thing. Like for example we've been talking about it quite
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a bit on connected. Steven and Federico have been going down this route a lot more than
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I have. Federico also just bought an Echo and we spoke about that on last week's episode.
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The only thing that I have is a Canary which I bought recently as a home security device
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and having something like that is opening my eyes up to more but I'm not really going
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to be digging in too much right now because I'm waiting until we actually buy our own
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place before I start putting stuff like this in. Like I want a nest and all that kind of
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stuff, like I want to have all of that, but it's kind of pointless putting it into the
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house that I don't plan to be in for hopefully too much longer.
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Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's, uh, well then you'll move into some place that's got old wiring
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and you'll be foiled again to take it from me. And that's, I think, I think one of my
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questions about smart home stuff in general is how can we get to the dream? Because the
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challenge is you want a house that feels like a normal house, at least for some values of
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normal, but is actually smart. You know, what I found is you can get a lot of things to
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be smart if you take all your light switches and turn them all on and then put in bulbs
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and things like that. But that's weird because then the light switches are all on and you
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turn them off or the whole thing breaks because then there's no power going to these smart
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devices, right? So what you need to do is rethink how power gets to devices and then
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those switches on the wall are actually just talking to the smart devices, but they don't
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actually they aren't actually connected to the if you want switches on the wall at all.
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I mean it all starts to unravel so so you can't do that. So instead you kind of go from
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the other direction which is you start adding little things here and there and you know
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how long do you want to rip your house apart to rewire it to get it to support some stuff?
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We upgrade our phones every year or two, we don't upgrade our houses every year or two,
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like to a brand new house and throw away the old house or recycle the old house. And there's
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new tech because this is all moving so fast, so you keep on throwing out the old light
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bulb that is perfectly fine as a light bulb but doesn't support the latest firmware that
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does something neat. I don't know. It's a fascinating area because like the smart watches,
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this feels like an area that everybody's trying lots of stuff and nobody really has it right
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and it feels like it's early days and it's going to be a while before it all settles
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out. I would be hard-pressed to recommend any smart home product to a not tech-savvy
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person right now and say no no you should totally get a whatever because you'll love
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it. I feel like these aren't objects of love yet they are more like curiosity.
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Yeah that's a good way of putting it and we're really early in this and considering
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what this stuff is setting out to do I think it's best that it just stays within people
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that are really interested in technology. Because this stuff is going to change a lot
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and there's gonna be problems with it.
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And at least for a while,
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everybody's gonna be upgrading their stuff
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every couple of years.
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- Yeah, yeah, and the standards are gonna fight,
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and some are gonna win, and some are gonna lose,
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and in the end, there'll probably be a kind of acceptance
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that everything's gonna interoperate,
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and that'll be good.
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Actually, you know who I really pity
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is the people who are buying new homes right now,
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like newly built homes that are being built by somebody
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who thinks they know what smart home features are gonna be,
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because I think that's gonna be the worst scenario
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'cause you're gonna, you know, potentially,
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I don't know if this is actually happening,
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but I assume it is somewhere.
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When I go visit my mother,
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they're building like 8,000 houses around her in Arizona.
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I assume that somebody is like, "Oh, no, no, no,
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we're gonna wire you for smart home
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and it's got all this stuff."
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And then that is, your house is gonna be out of date
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in a few years.
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That's gonna be bad.
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- Yeah, you need to take your house and get out there.
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- Yeah, I need a house upgrade.
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Well, that'll cost many thousands of dollars.
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- What kinds of things are you looking for from this?
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Like what are the things that you want to be able to do
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that you can't do?
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- I don't know, I mean, some of it,
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like the lighting is a good example where it's like,
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I like the idea of having lighting
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that changes based on conditions,
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but whether it's based on the weather
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or light in the house,
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how much light is getting into your house or time of day.
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And I have set that up for the two bulbs
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that are outside with the light switch
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that's permanently on now.
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And that's all based on time and stuff like that.
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I like that idea, but again,
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I've got banks of light switches in my house
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and the wiring is what it is.
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And that's a good example of like,
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well, if all the lights were smartly controlled
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and could be programmed and all of that,
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that would be kind of neat.
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But there's so much overhead there
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that it's just never gonna happen.
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And, you know, yeah, tying it in with my weather station
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my thermostat and having them all talk to each other and be able to make interesting
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decisions about what we want to do at a certain time of day or night. And you know, the TV
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comes on and we're watching a show and it knows that when I'm watching TV in the living
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room after eight o'clock, I want this bank of lights off. I want that bank of lights
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off. I want this bank of lights at 40%, you know, and I just, I just do that all now and
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it's fine. I flip all the switches and I'll sit down to watch a show and I'll realize
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that certain lights are on that I'm seeing the reflection in the TV set and I need to
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turn them off. Eventually, that stuff should all be sort of like, "Oh, I see what you're
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doing and I know how you want the house." Or at the very least, you could say, "Hey,
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could you put me in TV in movie theater mode?" or whatever it is. But it's just there's so
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much complexity there and I'm not willing, nor do I think it would be wise for me to
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invest in something because it's too early, right? I don't see some shining system out
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there that I'm like, "Yes, if I buy that controller and rewire my entire house and put in all
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these light bulbs in all these places and have all these other sensors, suddenly it'll
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--" you know, that tech is not -- it's not good enough yet. It's not all here yet. But
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I think that's the -- I think that's the dream is like for all of the stuff that's in your
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house, maybe even down to the the team maker and and stuff to be able to talk to each other.
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Maybe not the team maker. I just want the team maker to, you know, the team maker needs
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to talk to the robot butler. That's the important part.
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It really I feel like a lot of this is about the team maker.
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And the robot butler. Sure. You got to get a robot butler. That's that's the missing
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First from our essential enemy it would have yes
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Do you feel as though the impactful size of the iPad pro has normalized after months of usage?
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I found that it normalized for me very quickly, like within days.
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Yeah, it-- so my wife's got an iPad Air, and I picked it up the other day and I'm like,
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"Aw, it's so cute! It's so tiny!" You do lose perspective after a while with the iPad Pro.
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When I pick it up, I still recognize that it's a really big iPad. I mean, that hasn't
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gone away, but it's changed and it is normalized to a certain degree, I would say. I wouldn't
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say 100% essential enemy, but I would say, yeah. There was a moment, in fact, when I
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was in Arizona, visiting my mom, where I was working on my MacBook Air. It's an 11-inch
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MacBook Air. I pulled out the old iPad Pro and I realized, "Oh my God, this is so much
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larger than the display on the laptop, like so much larger and that was it was a funny
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moment but yeah I when I pick it up I can still feel it and I'm like boy this is a big
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iPad but it's definitely seems normal now.
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Yeah without a shadow of a doubt like it's my iPad.
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Yeah I agree it's amazing how that works in fact I picked up my son's iPad Mini the other
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day and I was like wow this is like yeah this might as well be an iPhone at this point.
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Yeah, Adena uses an iPad mini and I think it's hilarious. I think what's amazing about it is
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it's got all the pixels of the iPad Air and and if you've got the mini 4 it's got most of if not all
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not quite all but most of the power of the iPad Air 2. So the iPad mini is a an impressive
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bit of hardware but it's just compared to the iPad Pro it's just kind of staggering how
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You know, they're the little tiny dogs that can fit in a teacup, and then they're the, they're like Great Danes.
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And they're all dogs, but boy are they different sizes.
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That was a very weird analogy to make.
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Right? I mean, iPads come in all sizes.
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It is definitely correct, but lots of things come in different sizes.
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Yeah, I suppose. I was thinking about it. We were dog sitting this week for a couple of days.
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And I feel like my dog is a normal size of dog,
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but this was an enormous golden retriever.
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And my dog looked like the little mini sidekick dog
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compared to this dog.
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And my dog is not tiny, but not compared to this dog.
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So I was thinking about dog sizes.
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- More questions on the iPad Pro.
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JR wrote in, "My biggest iPad Pro gripe
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it does not allow you to split the on-screen keyboard. This is very weird. I thought that
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this was crazy when I first tried the iPad Pro that you couldn't do a split screen keyboard
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because it feels like the only iPad that really needs it. Right, because it's so wide and if you
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want to hold it with two hands and thumb type you would want it to be split because there's no way
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you can stretch your thumbs across the width of the screen and it's got so much screen that you
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you could leave that keyboard up and you've still got huge amounts of screen space that
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are not covered by it, but yet they took it out. Or they didn't build it for the iPad
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Pro keyboard is probably a more accurate statement because that's a new keyboard that they built
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and they didn't build in the split. I think it's weird, right? I mean, there are a lot
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of Apple made some choices with the iPad Pro because they had to rebuild some things that
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they couldn't just bring over from the original, you know, set of iPad, you know, screen sizes.
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And this is one of them, the height of the number keys, I keep mistyping on the number
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keys because they're short.
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That bothers me.
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The question about how the pencil gets used is a question.
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There's a lot of little quirks.
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I mean, it's definitely part of having the first iteration of a product is that there's
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stuff like this that you wonder, "Why is it like this?"
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Nobody knows.
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Yeah, somebody knows.
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They're not talking.
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Jeff wanted to know, this is hunking back to a little bit of discussion from earlier,
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do you think Apple will either end the 16GB base model iPhone or their ultra-stingy, Jeff's
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words, 5GB of free iCloud storage? Do you think that either of these things are going
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to go away? I mean, on an infinite time scale, everything changes.
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It's gotta happen.
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I had to search for that bell, I didn't know where it was, I turned around and I had to
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scoot across the room, but I found it.
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If I had to predict, I would once again predict I think the 16 is going to go away this year
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on the iPhone 7.
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And the iCloud, I don't know, they changed the pricing, they had the opportunity right
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there and they didn't do it.
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I feel like they need to.
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I think that's actually a huge, and I've ranted about this before here, I think that's a huge
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user experience problem that they've got is so many people have an iPhone and an iPad
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and they can't use their iCloud storage and, you know, give away basic backups, you know,
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just give it away, give away basic backups and then try to get them hooked on more services
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above that. But I feel like you should have, when you buy a new Apple device, the basic
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backup of data on those devices should just be covered. And then if you want to go up,
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I'd also, if they wanted to keep the five gigabyte, I would say, can we make it additive
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so that all of your active devices on a particular Apple ID get 5 gigabytes toward your iCloud
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allotment, that might be another way of doing it because I hear that from people all the
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time. They're like, "It's telling me I can't back up," and the last thing you want is for
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your iPhone not to be backed up. And I appreciate that Apple wants to do services and make more
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services revenue, but I think there should be a base of the free iCloud storage and it
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should be based on what is a reasonable amount for somebody to back up per device. So, but
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that one I'm less sure that Apple thinks of that as an issue, which is surprising because
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I actually think it's a big issue.
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And finally today from Chris, "If you could spend the day with any celebrity, who would
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it be?" I think about this and I know that I will probably have a better answer if I
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thought about it every day for the next two weeks, but I think one of the obvious ones
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for me is Stephen Fry because he seems like such a lovely and very interesting person.
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I've been a big fan of Stephen Fry for many years and I would very much like to spend the day with
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him and just talk to him because he would I'm sure he'd always have stuff to talk about as well which
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you know and having had a very brief conversation with Stephen Fry once he is very personable and
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and seems like a very, very nice guy.
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- I don't think I have a good answer here.
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I've been thinking about it
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and I'm not sure I've got a good answer.
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I'm not sure I wanna spend a day with a celebrity.
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I kinda don't wanna bug them.
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- Yeah, but they're happy.
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You know? - Yeah.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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I don't know, it would be interesting,
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it would be an interesting to spend a day with somebody
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like the President of the United States
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the Prime Minister of Great Britain, or hey the FBI director, what the heck, that would be an
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interesting day. But in terms of like celebrity, like a musician or an actor or a writer or
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something like that, I don't know if I have huge, you know, huge desires in that. I'll parachute me
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into wherever they're brainstorming the new Star Trek movie. Maybe I could just be a fly on the
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wall there or I don't know some or somebody who made something that I really
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love like let's say Joss Whedon maybe who you know Buffy is my favorite TV
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show ever and I don't know what he's doing and I might catch him on a bad day
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where he's just sort of like sitting on the couch watching reruns but that would
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be an interesting person to have a conversation with since he's created
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some stuff that I really love but I don't know I'm not a celebrity person I
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guess I I don't know I always find that that awkward whenever I see famous
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people I kind of like want to give them their space and run away from them and not talk to them.
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Even if it's in a perfectly reasonable environment where I should talk to them,
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I am always like too like shy and I kind of just want to- when I saw George Lucas eating lunch I
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just was like my gift to you George Lucas is I'm not going to bother you. Because if I didn't
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bother you I'd have some things to say. Well that was before the prequels but let me tell you yeah.
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After the prequels would you still have left him alone? I would have scowled and left him alone
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I think that brings us to the end.
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If you'd like to find our show notes for this week's episode head on over to relay.fm/upgrades/77.
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Thank you so much for listening as always.
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If you'd like to support us you can support our lovely sponsors, the great people over
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at MailRoute, FreshBooks and Smile PDF Pen this week.
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Thank you to them for helping us out this week.
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If you'd like to find Jason online he's over at sixcolors.com, the incomparable .com and
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he is @JSnell on Twitter. I am @IMyke and I write the occasional thing over on MykeWasRight.com.
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If you would like to find us on the Twitter with the show, that's an interesting way to
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phrase that sentence, it is @_upgradefm. Jason tweets from that account every now and then
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and it's always fun to see. Thank you so much for listening. We'll be back next week. Until
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then, say goodbye Mr. Snell.
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Goodbye, Mr. Hurley.
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