81: Live From Interstate 280
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From Relay FM, this is Upgrade episode number 81.
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Today's show is brought to you by Ministry of Supply, Squarespace, ITProTV and FreshBooks.
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My name is Myke Hurley. Of course today we have an episode all about the Apple event
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that has occurred the March 21st Apple event, but we're doing something a little bit different.
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Of course we're going to talk about the event and everything that went down,
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but before we do, I want to hand over to our reporter in the field, Mr. Jason Snell.
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Good morning Myke, good morning listeners. You are listening to me coming from inside my car.
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I am Jason Snell and this is the weirdest episode ever of Upgrade.
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So it's 7-11 and I am making my way from my home in Marin County,
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Northern California, just north of San Francisco. I'm going to go across the Golden Gate Bridge
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And then I'm going to end up going through the city of San Francisco and down US 101.
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Well, let's see, through the city of San Francisco. Well, okay, so here's the Sturbest, San Francisco.
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They don't have a lot of freeways where you might expect there to be freeways like through the city.
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So after I get off the Golden Gate Bridge, I have to go on the streets of San Francisco
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through the city on Park Presidio Avenue and 19th Avenue.
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And then on to Interstate 280.
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And then that'll take me the rest
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of the way to Infinite Loop and Cupertino for the Apple event,
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which this episode is actually about.
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I'm on the freeway now.
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It's very exciting.
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So before we get to the post-event part of the car cast, which is what I'm calling this,
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I thought I would talk a little bit about the event atmosphere, because I know Myke
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likes to do that.
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Myke likes me to talk about it, because he's never been to one of these Apple Media events.
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So this town hall, this is going to take place in the Town Hall Conference Center, which
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is in R&D4 at Infinite Loop.
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And Stephen Hackett and I over the weekend
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compiled a list of kind of the notable town hall events
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that have happened since the iPod introduction in 2001,
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which I went to.
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And there are a few before then, but we
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decided that the history of that place--
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internet history gets really vague before 2001,
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so we didn't want to make any claims.
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We feel like we're pretty confident that our list is everything that's been since 2001.
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And it's really like one a year there have been these events at the town hall.
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Town hall was designed almost certainly for internal communications, right?
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Team meetings.
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When Steve Jobs came back to Apple, there were probably team meetings in there.
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You can have up to 300 people talking about what the vision for the group is or the company
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or whatever.
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As a media event area, it used to be fine.
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The iPod event was just fine.
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But over the years, as interest in Apple has grown, a 300-seat venue is ridiculously small
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for any event.
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At the end there, they did a couple Mac-related events there.
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But in general, it's a tough ticket, and I'm fortunate to even be getting in there.
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Also, the way that they handled this over the years has really changed.
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It used to be you would show up in front of R&D 4, you'd just park in the parking lot
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behind number 4, and go up and there would be a couple of fold out tables and PR people
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with little printed out lists of people and they'd check you in and they'd give you a
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badge and you'd go inside.
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Actually you'd wait outside and they might have some bagels on a table over in the corner
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but everybody would mill around outside and eventually they would let us in to this teeny
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tiny lobby on the inside but that was super claustrophobic and then eventually they let
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They have changed it now.
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That was the way it was for a long time.
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There was this interim step where what they did was, I don't know what usually is upstairs
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from there but I think they changed it at some point into a briefing center or certainly
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it's convertible into that.
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So there's an upstairs right off of the lobby for R&D 4, which is the super narrow lobby.
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And there's an upstairs with a large room, like a common room, that I think was meant
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to be sort of like the hangout meeting place area for the employees who worked there.
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And so then they started outfitting that with like, it has chairs, but they'd also like
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put some breakfast out up there.
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The first time we saw that, we're like, "What is happening with Apple?"
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They're like giving us, like there were like egg stations
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and stuff, it was bizarre.
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We're like, what is happening?
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But I think they decided that it was a little embarrassing
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for them to have the folding tables and bagels
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in the corner and they wanted to kind of do it up.
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And also there were so many people that it was unruly.
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So they put in that extra effort.
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And for the last event,
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and what I believe they're doing today
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is they're actually having us come to R&D One.
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There's a special parking lot at the front
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that is usually like visitor parking that they're going to limit for this, which is good because
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another unreported story about Apple is that parking at the Apple campus is ridiculous these days.
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Like ridiculous. They actually have hired a valet service and they now double park cars in
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the Apple parking lot because there's not enough room because the campus is packed.
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So, but they for this event they've made this space available over by one infinite loop which
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is where it's the main entrance, that's where the new company store is, it's all over right
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as you get in and that's like what people think of as Apple headquarters is opening
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the door to one infinite loop.
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So just like last time I assumed today we're going to go in through one infinite loop through
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the main entrance which is very impressive, it's much more impressive, you're led in by
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PR people and then they take you out into the center of the loop which is where they've
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got a waiting area and last time there was a waiting area with some tents and again they're
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serving food because nothing gets journalists on your good side better than serving food
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and that's where we kind of waited out. They told us to be there by nine. The event is
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at ten. That's to shame all of the late people into getting there on time. And so we just
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hang out there and that's where you see the people. There are people I only see at Apple
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events these days which is pretty funny and I like to see them and I admire their work
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and we interact on Twitter but a lot of times I only ever see them at Apple events because
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and not for very long. I see them before the Apple event because afterward although I see
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them we're all working on our stories. So what happens is they'll usher us in, you'll
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get a seat, it's super tight and uncomfortable, we'll all sit there, cover the event and then
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afterward we're usually let into a hands-on area now with it maybe outside
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this time now that they're sort of like setting up this area outside it's
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possible it'll be outside if it's not outside it may be there's a piano bar
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with the famous piano that was has been a part of Apple for decades now that
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piano bar space is right across from from Town Hall so it may be there and
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And it may be outside, it might be upstairs, but usually there's a big hands-on area where everybody in the press can go and get their paws on the latest stuff.
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And it needs to be capacity for 300 people because there are 300 people that fit in the venue.
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So it's always a challenge for them. A lot of times the size of the venue is controlled by the size of the hands-on area.
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area because even if you had an auditorium that's seated 1,000, that's not enough.
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Like the new one will do at the new Apple campus, that'll seat 1,000.
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That's not enough.
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You also need an area large enough that you can take roughly 1,000 journalists and give
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them a reasonable amount of access to a hands-on area because that's just part of the deal
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as far as Apple is concerned.
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So it'll be interesting to see how that's executed, but I have no doubt that the new
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Apple Campus Auditorium will have been designed with that need in mind.
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And that'll be interesting to see, hopefully next year.
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So anyway, I'll see all those people in the hands-on area afterward and we won't be talking
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because everybody's shooting video and taking pictures.
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That area has become more and more intense over time because now people are committed,
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a lot of them, to shooting a bunch of photos and instantly posting a gallery or shooting
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a lot of video.
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And that's actually a new trend that kind of bugs me as somebody who's not that invested
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And I totally understand why people do it, but there's nothing worse than waiting around
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a hands-on area trying to look at a product, only to discover that the person who's got
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it is there with a cameraman and they're going to shoot, "Hey guys, I'm here at the Apple
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event and let me walk you through everything about this new iPhone."
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And it's going to take forever.
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So you just move on, move on to another place.
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One of these days they should probably have a special area for people doing hands-on videos.
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I bet you that would be a better thing.
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Anyway, when all that is said and done, my plan right now is to hop back in the car and
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drive back home and along the way do this experimental car cast.
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The reason for that is largely because when they have these events in Cupertino, it takes
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me an hour and a half to get home.
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is prime time I should really be working on something involving the event. But I haven't
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been able to do that because I've been just sitting there driving and there's sort of
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like nothing else I can do with that time. It's just kind of a waste of my time. And
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I said to Myke, "Hey Myke, what if we did a podcast during my drive home from the event?"
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So I will do a Skype call with Myke and then record my end using this microphone that I'm
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talking to you on now. And Myke will put it together and it will have all of the magic
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and majesty of a podcast where somebody's in a car. So now we're going to go into the
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upgrade time machine. I'm going to throw it back to Myke and Myke is going to tell you
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about something really cool and then we're going to move ahead past the Apple event to
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the aftermath. Take it away Myke.
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Thank you to our man in the field, our man on the way to the field at that point, Mr.
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Now as Jason said when we come back from this break we will be together talking about everything
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dialling in from a road somewhere in Cupertino is our intrepid man in the field, Mr Jason
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Hello Mr. Jason Snell, welcome to Upgrade.
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Hi Myke, welcome to Upgrade indeed.
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I am coming to you live from the Interstate 280.
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You might know it from the maps icon.
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And I just have left the Apple Campus where I just finished
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working on the Apple Media event.
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Interstate 280 is my favorite of all the Interstates.
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the best number of all of them 280. So we are trying something a little bit
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different today you are we wanted to get the show out as quick as possible of all
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of the information and you are now taking this drive and so many people
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listen to podcasts while they drive we figured why not do a driving podcast
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so here we are. That's right, double the cars. Double the cars. So you're on your way back now back to
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Six Colors HQ and yes so I want to do our usual I want to talk about the event
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obviously you were there it was a small small audience right this this is a much
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smaller event when they do them at Town Hall yeah it's a 300 capacity I think
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it's very small and it used to be sufficient for Little Apple events here
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and there back in the day but Apple is so popular and successful now that it's
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not really sufficient for anything but the kind of smallest of events.
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And this was one of those smaller events, but still it was a tough ticket.
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A lot of people who usually go weren't there. Um,
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and it's probably as Stephen Hackett and I wrote about on six colors this
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week. And as Tim Cook mentioned at the end of the presentation,
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so that was a pretty good bit of timing. Uh,
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probably the last event in that venue. So,
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So did you see everybody? Like was there a good crowd there today?
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Yeah I mean it's a lot of the same people that I usually see.
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Jim Dalrymple, John Gruber, Matt Panzareno,
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Rene Ritchie, you know Clayton Morris,
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I saw Steven Levy, you know
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the people that I see at Apple events a lot of them were there but it's a smaller crowd
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obviously there are a lot of people who I often see at these events who
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couldn't fit in the room so weren't there. Yeah of course.
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So I have my notes, I was watching at home, I was watching on my iMac with my iPad Pro in front of me that I was taking notes on and reading Twitter, so I had a whole multi-screen setup going on.
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So I figured we would go through the event chronologically and kind of talk about each of them.
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So we started off with a video which was kind of a reminder that in a couple of weeks time, on April 1st, Apple is 40 years old.
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old. So they did kind of a 40 second intro where they showed a lot of kind of the history
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and the buzzwords and the colors and the product names of the company's history. I guess you
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probably recognized quite a few things from that list including the crossed out Newton.
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Haha that's the, that's how you deleted things on the Newton list writing with that way.
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Yeah I recognized a lot of that stuff and I'm looking forward to going back through
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the video and watching it because obviously it just shot by and there's probably I did
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have an idea for a few stories based on that because I want to write about the 40th anniversary
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too. I'm sure Mr. Stephen Hackett is already writing the complete annotated version of
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that video and if he isn't he should probably get on that.
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Yeah most definitely. I think he sent me a message I believe he said I should have made
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this and it's like yeah that feels feels like this is right up your alley and
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then Tim it was Tim time Tim came out and he said a couple of words about how
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many Apple devices that there are and we kind of heard about this on the last
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financial analyst called that there's 1 billion Apple devices in use right now
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and he used this as a springboard to jump right into the FBI thing and me and
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you spoke about this last week and I think we both came to the conclusion that it was
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likely that this would come up in some way and Tim went at it head on and he started
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talking about the way that our devices are personal to us and he was saying things like
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how much power should we give the government over our data and privacy and he carried on
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by saying like we did as Apple we did not expect to be at odds with our government but
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We believe we have a responsibility to our customers.
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We owe it to them and will not shrink
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from this responsibility.
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This was performed very well.
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It was considered and impassioned.
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How did it feel being in the room?
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This got quite an ovation afterwards
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to hear Tim so strongly talk about this FBI scenario.
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- Well, you know, we've heard him talk about this before,
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so it wasn't surprising, I guess.
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And the people in the room get it.
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It's the people in the room, it's the first five rows
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are Apple employees or special guests,
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and then the rest of the room is reporters covering Apple.
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But anybody who's writing about this
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and understands the technology industry knows,
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knows what Apple's doing here
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and knows what the FBI is trying to pull.
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And I'm pretty sure that almost everybody in that room
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believes that Apple is in the right.
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And I was surprised, and we talked about it,
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like you said last week, I was a little surprised
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that this is, that it was in as depth as it was.
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I sort of anticipated a nod to it, you know,
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like a, you know, of course we're,
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we take your privacy seriously,
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you may have heard something about that,
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but instead he, you know, to Tim Cook's credit,
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he tackled it head on.
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I feel like he is an incredibly,
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I think one of his superpowers actually is that
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he's a very, he seems like a very honest
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and straightforward guy.
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I just, I don't get any artifice from Tim Cook.
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He feels like a genuine person.
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And so when he says we care about this stuff
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and it matters to us and we wanna,
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when they say that they want to leave the world
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a better place and when they say that they care
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about the privacy and security of their customers,
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I believe him, I don't think this is,
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I mean, it is, the challenge is it is also PR, right?
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This is a press event, it's a media event.
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It's meant to be company PR.
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It is company PR, it does make them look good,
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but I also think they believe it.
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And Tim Cook certainly, I think, believes it.
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- Yeah, I definitely stand with you on the believing part.
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You can tell he does.
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This did feel to me like the reason of bringing this up now
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is because there has been some public pushback,
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maybe from the media spinning this,
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or people that just don't believe
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that this should be Apple's view.
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So I definitely saw this as a time where they can say,
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"This is why we're doing it.
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There are customers of ours that think this is the right thing to do.
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We wanted to give you a little bit of like background as to why we believe this
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is important, you know, for the people watching that maybe didn't agree.
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Having seen that like and having seen this from Apple today,
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I can definitely see why they did this.
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I think that it was the right thing for them to come out and say something on
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this stage because if they didn't, you know,
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they would have basically just been called cowards in the press.
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Yeah. Yeah. I agree with you.
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actually, and looking at it like that, I think you're right.
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How could you not talk about it?
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Like, how could you not?
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How could you, you know, Apple today tried to release
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a bunch of products while ignoring the huge,
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you know, the elephant in the room, essentially.
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So, you know, I'm glad Cook took the time.
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I'm glad they took the time to talk about the other stuff
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that we're gonna get to.
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I think it needed to be said in some form.
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We know that we've seen for the last few weeks,
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it's a back and forth dialogue between Apple and the FBI,
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in terms of who says what to whom
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and what Ovid runs and what newspaper or on what website.
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This was Apple's serve.
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Apple got a chance in its own event to make its pitch.
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And tomorrow, you know, tomorrow we're gonna get it
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on a neutral court theoretically
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in the case between the Apple FBI case.
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And we'll see then.
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But this was their, how do you pass up an opportunity
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to have your swing today?
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And so they took it.
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- Yeah, and I think it was the right thing to do.
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And then they took an interesting move on from here.
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And I wanna get some thoughts from you in a moment
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as to why they may have done this,
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but they went into two different areas,
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environment and health.
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So first up, they brought Lisa Jackson onto stage.
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I believe this is her first outing on the stage for Apple.
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- I think so.
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- And basically this was all about Apple's renewable energy
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and they're recycling.
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They're kind of the two big things they're focusing on.
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93% of Apple's facilities currently run on renewable energy.
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They're targeting 100.
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And they were given some examples of facilities
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where they're building their own renewable energy sources
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where they can't get eco-power from the grid.
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So that was really cool to see some of those.
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And also they were showing about their efforts in packaging.
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99% of their packaging now comes from recycled paper or sustainably managed forests.
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But the really cool thing that they showed off was an R&D project called Liam.
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And they even created a little video about this.
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Liam is a robot that is disassembling...
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Yeah, or not.
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He's disassembling Apple's products.
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So they showed this little system of it detecting parts with a camera which it can remove and
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And then it filters them so they can harvest the materials basically for use in later products.
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This thing is crazy.
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Yeah, I like the idea that what Apple is saying is that they're not just using their technical
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acumen to build products, they're actually using some of their technical acumen to build
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products that disassemble tools, that disassemble their products.
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So that they're in a better, because that's one of the problems with electronics recycling
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is that it's this mixed up set of waste of different kinds of metals and glass and all
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these different things that go into this.
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And so I think it's really interesting that Apple is now highlighting that they built
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a tool, and she said it was built in California, they built a robot or not, that it's designed
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to pick apart Apple products so that Apple's recycling efforts of its own products could
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be more efficient.
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The video is really great.
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People should definitely check out the video.
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It is a really impressive, cool little bit of machinery.
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Yeah, I don't know where that video lives.
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So I'll see if I can find that.
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I assume it's in the presentation stream.
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Presumably they will post all of those videos on their own at some point to Apple.com, but
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uh... you know we're we're recording this like an hour after the event so it
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may not be up yet
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yeah but they will be able to be at least in the presentation for sure it's
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not on their environment page right now but but it might be there
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of kyle's the gray has uh... said just sent to me in the chat room
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uh... the recycling page and the liam video is at the bottom of the recycling
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page this is also a thing that apple viva revamped or they're pushing more
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which is that uh... recycling
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efforts bringing in stuff you can
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send products to them now you can print off
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but the shipping labels for free
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uh... i'd say something i like on the recycling page as you can see this
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all of the images of the products they're all dinged up every single one
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uh... they've all the scratches on them and nix taken out of them and it's
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really fun to see apples products on their own website
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uh... all dinged up like this so
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that's that's really cool i like that
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so you can get their really promoting this heavily
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which is good stuff you know to really highlight these types of things
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a little bit more
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also they went into health and Jeff Williams came on stage again for this
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if you remember Jeff he introduced research kit
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and they had an update about research kit today they were talking about how
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things that come from research kit as some of the studies have become some of
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the largest medical studies in history and this had happened basically overnight
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because of the amount of people they were able to get
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onto these programs by offering these apps through the phone.
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They showed some really great videos of some of the apps and tools that are helping discover
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children with autism, highlighting data collection for Parkinson's and epilepsy.
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They're really heartwarming videos, but they're a good thing to show because this is stuff
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that Apple is helping create and they're helping provide the tools for people to go out and
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make these apps and experiences.
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They also showed off CareKit today, which is a new framework to build apps specifically
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to help people take an active role in their care. So they started with a Parkinson's app
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to try and help people understand how to take better care of themselves by logging activity
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and logging their feelings. They also showed how you can share this information with a
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doctor and they can update what medications you should be taking and stuff like that.
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So again this is just another really nice thing that Apple is doing and I saw quite
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a few people mention the "dent in the universe" line.
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And this stuff does highlight that.
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It can be easy when you're talking about these things as an Apple fan to sound sycophantic,
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That you're saying that Apple is amazing because they changed the world by making it better
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for everyone.
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But if this stuff really does make a difference in medical care, this is great because, do
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you know what, they don't have to do this.
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Yeah I think Apple, we're talking again, we talked about it last year too about their
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core values. This is an interesting place where some Apple could just stop at selling
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a phone right or a watch but it's got a strategy and the strategy involves making money but
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it also involves sort of like how do we take advantage of this technology that's in all
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of our pockets and on our many of our wrists right and some of that is health like health
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and fitness stuff, but definitely they, and I think the reason Jeff Williams is doing
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a lot of this is because he's so involved with the Apple Watch stuff, that this is part
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of Apple's belief that if we've all got supercomputers in our pockets and we can start to have sensors
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on our bodies that are all connected, that somebody needs to put all of that together
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and all that data and be able to again make the world a better place, right?
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And I think this is one of those areas where Apple's business motives and maybe its altruistic
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motives are in alignment.
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That this shows off and provides a use for this technology that they're building and
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But at the same time, I think that there's the question of like, well, who else would
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It's sort of up to the platform vendors to push forward on this.
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And I don't know what Google's initiatives are in this area for using Android, and if
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they work with hardware partners on it, they may, and they may have that too.
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But certainly from Apple's perspective, as the platform owner, as the designer of the
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hardware and the software for so many of these devices, for certainly the iPhone and the
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Apple Watch, that it fits.
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It fits with what they're doing.
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And to me, that's what that whole first part of this presentation was about, is never forget,
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It's a PR event, Apple wants you to know how great they are about doing those things, but
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it doesn't change the fact that they're doing them.
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Yeah, definitely.
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But why do you think Apple chose to open the event in this style?
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Why not the usual retail updates?
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Why this kind of messaging, do you think?
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I think this is...
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I don't know.
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I mean, it feels a little bit like an example of Apple rethinking its sort of standard playbook.
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"Yes, tell us about how many retail stores you opened. Yes, tell us again how many activations you've got."
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They did say there are a billion Apple devices currently active.
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But, I don't know, do you have to do that every time? When do you get a chance to talk about ResearchKit?
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Is it at WWDC? Maybe.
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So, I think, I don't know. I think they don't need to remind us how great their numbers are.
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Also, not to be cynical, but the iPhone sales aren't exactly shooting through the stratosphere
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They've kind of plateaued.
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So maybe they've decided this is a perfectly good time to get the focus a little bit off
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of raw numbers.
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And then I'll throw in there too, when Apple is trying to portray itself in this battle
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with the FBI, especially as caring about its customers, coming out, is it maybe a liability
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that they're one of the most profitable companies in history?
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Does that make it problematic for them to say that they have altruistic motives and
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they care about their customers when they're incredibly profitable?
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And could it be seen as boasting about their success if they do that versus seeming a little
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more humble and giving back and taking that approach?
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Maybe that's a better approach tone-wise while they're locked in a battle with the US government
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over these privacy issues.
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Yeah, it definitely doesn't hurt to take this kind of stance from a PR perspective.
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And I agree, I think as maybe some of the sales numbers get just a little bit less crazier
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and crazier every time and they become more flat maybe, it becomes less of an exciting
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story to show them off, I think.
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Right, well then it becomes, yep, we made more money, we made more billions of dollars
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on the iPhone, yep, which is less exciting than look at the iPhone growth. It's amazing.
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We're in these new countries and look at all of our retail sales expansion. Maybe that's
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not as big a deal now. And people are going to be much more inclined to listen to a company
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that is talking about how it wants to make the world a better place than if it's like
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Scrooge McDuck diving in a giant pool of gold coins, right?
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Which is being seen as boastful and rich and all of that.
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Those are not good things to put yourself out as being, especially when you're really
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relying on the public to get behind you.
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All right, after this break, we're going to talk about some of the product updates and
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So we move on to the Apple Watch now. Just a very quick update on the Apple Watch. Basically
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some statistics which are not very useful. Top selling smart watch number one in customer
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satisfaction. Market's not huge right now. Yeah take a drink on the customer set numbers.
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I guess the biggest news is the new bands. The watch does now start at $299 so there's
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been a price drop which is great but you know the product is getting a bit old now so a
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price drop is not crazy. This will probably help shift some of the stock that they've
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got in advance of new hardware later in the year. So we have a few new bands. We have
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a woven nylon band. It's kind of like the NATO bands that people were talking about.
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The images that Apple showed on stage, they didn't look too great to me. The images on
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Apple's website and from Verge hands-on look nicer so I'm assuming you've seen
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these these bands Jason what's your opinion?
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They're not I mean they're not for me but they're nice they're there I like
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you know we had those rumors about that they were gonna do the NATO watch strap
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style sort of thing and instead it's more like Apple's take on that with the
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with the woven nylon. So if you want a woven fabric band, they look nice. That's not my,
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you know, preference in terms of style, but they look nice. And then they also did... and Tim Cook
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actually said, I believe, "Spring colors." These are our spring colors. So it's fascinating to see
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the fashion angle here where they refresh the colors so there are like, I don't know, I have
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a picture of it, like 20 new bands if you count all the different colors of all the different
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styles. There's even like the sport band, the orange that I've got, that's out. There's a new
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orange. So see, this is what I'm saying, it's fascinating because it's all about
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personalization and style and fashion and I think that's fun. I wish Apple would get beyond the four
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colors of the iPhone and MacBook. I wish we would have some more fun colors in the other products
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they make. Well all of the colors, the new spring colors, are reflected in the in new cases for the
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iPhone. Yeah you can put a case on that. That's fine. I just, you know, I would love the iPhone
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to get colorful again. Or colorful like the Nanos got colorful at some point. I know we've
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talked about that before. But yeah, it's more styles and there was a statistic too. I forget
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what it was that what a third of Apple Watch users wear more than one band. I didn't catch that,
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but that doesn't surprise me. Yeah, and I'm one of those people. I have three different bands.
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I switch them around. I like wearing them all and it's just kind of fun. It makes my watch feel more
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fun to wear because it's not the same old same old all the time. I wear the orange for a while.
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I've got the orange on now, the orange sport, and then I'll think, "Oh, I'm going to switch to the
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black leather now," and I'll wear that for a little while and then I'll switch to the black sport.
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It's fun to have that. I am not a fashionable person, so I'm not really doing it so much to
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to be seen as I am to to just have kind of fun and enjoy what I'm wearing.
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And yeah, and just have it not seem like, you know, it's like you bought a new thing
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except you didn't.
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You just walked in a new band for a while.
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So the new sport bands that I'm personally interested in,
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there is a yellow, a royal blue and the product red.
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So I want to go to a store and look at those.
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They have the woven nylon bands, which I want to take a look at.
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I'm hoping that maybe they'll be in the Apple stores tomorrow.
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I'll take a look and see if I can reserve one and go take a look at one.
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They have a new black Milanese loop and they for the first time
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have colors in the classic buckle.
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So they have a bunch of colored leather and colors in the modern buckle as well.
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So they're branching out of just the standard ones there.
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Yeah, there was a there was like a purpley purpley or bluey kind of.
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I'm bad with colors of classic buckle that I really I thought looked really great.
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Yeah. And I know, I thought of you, the moment I saw this, I thought of you and I thought,
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"Oh, Myke's going to be going to the Apple store and stare at the pretty new colors and
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come home with a new Apple Watch band or two." I love them. I really, as you say, it's about
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the customization thing and I like changing them up. I think it's fun. They're not massively
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expensive. I mean, look, if you add up how much money I will have ended up spending,
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you know, I could end up getting close to buying another Apple Watch. But my hope would
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be that these will work on my next one too. So I think this is just a fun little thing,
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I like to do it in the same way that people would buy clothes. So that's all that we have
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on the Apple Watch which is not surprising, I think that was all that we expected. I think
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maybe we got more band customisation than we thought we were going to get. Some of those
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modern buckle and leather, the modern buckle and the clasp one and the classic buckle that
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I think that we weren't really expecting to get all of those so you know there's more
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Then we move on to the Apple TV, not really much mentioned here, just tvOS 9.2 is now
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available, it has folders and dictation, they mentioned on stage.
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Was this Jaws giving this part of the presentation?
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Yeah Greg Jawsiak who has been at Apple forever and occasionally appears in keynotes and other
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media events and it was Jaws doing the... he did the iPhone, did he do the Apple TV?
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Or was that... that would have been Tim Cook.
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Yeah it was either Tim or Craig I think.
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Basically the usual suspects weren't on stage today.
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It was Tim I think.
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Craig Federighi wasn't on stage today.
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And neither was Eddie.
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No, instead that was Craig Jaws.
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So the Apple TV stuff, I mean, it's the stuff that was in the beta.
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So people who've been following the beta know about it.
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But you know, I think for me,
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most notable is support for iCloud photo library.
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The fact, and for every Apple TV update,
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we're gonna say the same thing,
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which is why was that not in there when it launched?
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But it's in there now.
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That was one of the great mysteries to me.
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And yeah, support for dictation,
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support for more data sources,
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with even more on the way.
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Tim Cook said, that was Tim Cook,
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'cause I remember him, he got to say,
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"Great HBO, like Game of Thrones and Veep,
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And then of course Silicon Valley.
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So yeah, that's all good.
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It's just, it's funny.
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I don't want to complain about it
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because I think it's great that they keep iterating
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on Apple TV and they should keep iterating on it.
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It's a little bit funny that a lot of this stuff
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has taken six months to get on the device.
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But it's great that they're doing it.
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I'm very happy to see after, you know,
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what, a couple of years of stasis with the old Apple TV
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that the shipping of the Apple TV last fall
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was not the end of the conversation,
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that they're actively adding new stuff to it to this day.
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That's actually great to see.
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- You know, when I hear this, and we look at this,
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it's like, I think it would have maybe just been easier
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for them if this just wasn't called the Apple TV,
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it was called something else.
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Because this was a product that already existed,
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we're on the fourth generation of it,
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and we took major steps back,
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and eventually it will be better and much better
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it already is better in some instances, but we lost some features that we were kind of clawing back over time and say well
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It's kind of is a different product really, but it unfortunately shares the same name
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but it would be
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Your comparison would be to the MacBook right where the new MacBook is not the MacBook Air
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Which means that we can complain about it being slower than the MacBook Air, but it's not the MacBook Air
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We can't say the MacBook Air just got slower because it's a different product with different attributes. Yeah, and then with the Apple TV
00:43:35
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It's just the Apple TV. So it it looks like a you know, it's progress on some fronts and regression on others and
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You know, but it's good like like I said, it's good to see this stuff
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I can say that maybe some of it should have been there sooner, but you know, it's there now and
00:43:51
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That's good. That's raining
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It comes the rain. Yeah, this is the one thing we were hoping wouldn't happen
00:43:59
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It is coming down hard. Don't you live in California?
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Yeah, I guess we get all of our rain in a very short burst it's right now which is right it's funny leaving
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Leaving Apple. I it started to rain and I people were scurrying and Apple PR people were like
00:44:18
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Engage rain protocol. Hey
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The event was, as I mentioned at the beginning when I was driving down here, the event was,
00:44:31
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this is like a downpour, people were like stopped on the freeway. This is amazing.
00:44:35
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The event was held in town hall, but we entered through R&D1. So they had to station people
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throughout the entire center of the Apple campus to show us where to go and more specifically to
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have us stay away from places the public is not supposed to go. And so those people all got very
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wet. And some of them had umbrellas, but I think when they engaged the rain protocol, that's what
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they were doing. It was basically trying to figure out, like, can we hand out the raincoats to the
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people or do they have everybody exit some other direction or something? I don't know.
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In California we don't expect the rain and so it's always a surprise when it comes.
00:45:23
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So moving on we have the iPhone. So iPhone is up next and basically this is all about the iPhone SE
00:45:33
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which is the product name. Apple kind of did a good job here which is something I think they've
00:45:40
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been criticized that lately and actually they do a good job with the iPad as well and which we'll
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which we'll talk about in a bit,
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of explaining why this product exists.
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This has been a criticism of previous keynotes, I think,
00:45:53
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in the tech press and on other podcasts,
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is they weren't doing a good job
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of explaining why the product exists,
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but they make this very clear.
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- Well, you're going against
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conventional wisdom here, too, right?
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The conventional wisdom is the future is bigger phones,
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so why would you do something that was not a bigger phone?
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Why in the world would you go backward?
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And so they have to say-
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- I'll tell you why.
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It's because they sold 30 million four inch phones in 2015.
00:46:22
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And again, this comes back to perspective.
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We tech savvy people, we're buying the more expensive phone.
00:46:31
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We are on the cutting edge.
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We want the giant screen.
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Our priorities are not the priorities of everybody.
00:46:38
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And that's what they said is like
00:46:41
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in certain parts of the world
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and in people buying their first smartphone,
00:46:48
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there are lots of scenarios where this is the phone
00:46:54
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that they want, is the four inch phone.
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And they sold a lot of them.
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And so it may be boring to us.
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It may be a small part of the market
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compared to the whole smartphone market,
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but it's still important.
00:47:08
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And I think the larger story is Apple needed
00:47:11
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modern product to replace the 5S, right? Because they still want a product in that slot, they
00:47:16
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want a product of that size, they want a product of that price, but the 5S is just too old.
00:47:21
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It's too slow, it doesn't do touch ID, it's just like, or I mean not touch ID, it doesn't
00:47:25
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do Apple Pay, it's like all of these things that it can't do, the camera isn't very good,
00:47:31
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you gotta do something there. And so this is, we kind of called it a couple years ago,
00:47:36
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I think we talked about this a year plus ago, that at some point they were going to have
00:47:41
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to decide, does the four inch phone fall off the bottom of the price list or not, and if
00:47:45
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not, what do you do?
00:47:47
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And this is the answer, which is, you know, we need to update the insides and make it
00:47:52
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a 6S, essentially, on the inside, even though it looks like a 5S on the outside.
00:47:59
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So, which is essentially what they did.
00:48:01
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From a cosmetic perspective, basically all they seemed to mention on stage was Matt Chamford
00:48:07
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Edges and it has all the colours and they have the reflective Apple logo.
00:48:13
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There was rumours of curved glass on the edges, did you find this?
00:48:17
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I'm sure you've seen and handled the SE.
00:48:22
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Yes I held it in my hand.
00:48:28
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It is a 5S through and through.
00:48:30
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You would not, other than some very subtle things,
00:48:35
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I'd say most notably, very subtly,
00:48:38
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that the Apple on the back is different,
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and the fact that the chamfers are matte and not shiny,
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It looks no different.
00:48:51
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It's that style.
00:48:52
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If you're hoping for a four-inch phone
00:48:56
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that looked like an iPhone 6, you're not gonna get it,
00:48:58
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because it is a dead ringer for the iPhone 5S.
00:49:03
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- So I guess this was one of the things
00:49:06
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from the Gorman rumors that didn't really pan out that way,
00:49:11
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- Yeah, I wonder.
00:49:12
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We were also talking at the event about,
00:49:15
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one of the challenges about not having any leaks
00:49:17
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for this product is how would you know?
00:49:20
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If it looks exactly like the 5S,
00:49:26
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how would you even know that it was not the 5S, right?
00:49:31
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That no part leak would do it justice
00:49:34
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because all the chassis at least is exactly the same,
00:49:37
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or almost exactly the same.
00:49:39
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So that's a way for Apple to do things in secret,
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is not change the case.
00:49:45
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- I don't know how far that's gonna work.
00:49:48
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- No, probably has limited usefulness,
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but it worked in this case.
00:49:53
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- So talking about the insides of this thing,
00:49:55
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It's a 6S in a small body.
00:49:57
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It has the A9 and the M9, significantly improved battery,
00:50:01
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has a 12 megapixel camera, focus pixels,
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true tone flash, live photos, retina flash on the front,
00:50:09
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because the phone's thicker, there's no camera bump.
00:50:13
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It has Apple Pay in it as well.
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This is, you know, for all intents and purposes,
00:50:17
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this is an iPhone 6S Mini.
00:50:19
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- It really is, it really is.
00:50:22
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And I think some people will be surprised
00:50:25
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that it's so powerful.
00:50:28
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My gut feeling is that it's this powerful
00:50:33
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because they probably don't expect
00:50:34
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to update this product every year.
00:50:36
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- Yeah, like what happened with the Mini.
00:50:39
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- Exactly, right?
00:50:40
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You make it, you make it with the iPad Air 2, right?
00:50:44
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- Where you make it really powerful
00:50:45
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and then you don't need to update it for a couple of years.
00:50:50
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And that's, I think that's what they're doing here
00:50:52
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I don't think in a year we're going to see a new bumped iPhone SE.
00:50:56
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I think the iPhone SE will be like this for a couple of years.
00:50:59
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And then at some point, maybe, they will bump it to the iPhone 7 or 7S spec.
00:51:05
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But right now, it's a 6S to all intents and purposes.
00:51:11
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The processor may be clocked down, I don't know.
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And I don't know about the RAM in it.
00:51:16
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it. But yeah, I asked about the camera and they said, well, the body is different because
00:51:24
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the phone body is different, but that the camera itself is 12 megapixel camera. I mean,
00:51:29
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it's basically a success camera, does live photos, does big panoramas. It does all the
00:51:34
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stuff that the iPhone 6s does, just in a smaller size. I think for people who really like that
00:51:42
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size and are not enamored with the bigger phone other than the fact that it's the way you get the
00:51:48
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latest greatest, you're essentially not going to get any compromise if you get the four-inch
00:51:54
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phone right now. You're getting last year's phone, right? That is something to think about.
00:52:00
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It's the current phone, but it's last year's phone. It's the 2015 specs in the 2016 product
00:52:07
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and maybe the 2017 product, but right now it's on class with the iPhone 6s and 6s Plus.
00:52:16
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So do you think that there's going to be a significant amount of people that
00:52:23
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go back down to the smaller size now that the performance is there?
00:52:29
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Oh it's a good question. I feel like
00:52:34
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I feel like it's a lot of us are going to just be used to the size and not go back,
00:52:44
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just because it's like once you get the bigger screen size it's awfully hard to give it up.
00:52:50
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But I do think there's a class of user who never upgraded because they wanted the small
00:52:58
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size and I believe there's a class of user who upgraded to the bigger phone because they
00:53:03
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wanted the latest, greatest hot phone and doesn't love the size, but it's put up with
00:53:09
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So I do think that there are people in both of those camps, I think most people aren't.
00:53:13
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I think most people are going to be happy with the 6 or the 6 Plus, or 6S and 6S Plus
00:53:19
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But there will definitely be some people who go back and some people who never left and
00:53:26
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now don't have to.
00:53:29
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Do you have any other thoughts of your own?
00:53:31
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I assume looking at this device outside of the fact
00:53:34
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that you've already used a 5S before
00:53:36
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and you know what iOS 9.3 looks like,
00:53:40
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there probably isn't much exciting going on to talk about?
00:53:43
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- I think the excitement is if you're using a 5S,
00:53:47
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you're using a phone that's two years old,
00:53:49
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two and a half years old now.
00:53:51
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And if you update to this, the excitement is,
00:53:53
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if you draw the line from the 5S,
00:53:57
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It's like twice as fast and has better battery life
00:54:01
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and has this much better camera and does Apple Pay
00:54:03
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and all these features, every feature that has come
00:54:06
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in the last two and a half years to iPhones,
00:54:08
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you haven't gotten 'cause you're still on the 5S.
00:54:11
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So from that perspective is where it's especially impressive
00:54:14
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for the rest of us, yeah, it is.
00:54:16
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If you can picture all the functionality of an iPhone 6S
00:54:20
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in an iPhone 5S, that's it.
00:54:23
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That's what it is.
00:54:24
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Like, literally, that's what it is.
00:54:27
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It has almost nothing else about it is different.
00:54:30
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It's this year's model in, you know,
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the last two years ago model's body.
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- So this phone is starting at 399 for 16 gigabytes.
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Do you have any feeling about the 16 gigabyte?
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- I saw people complaining about it on the internet
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'cause that's what people do.
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I don't know, I feel like for the essentially free phone,
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the free with contract rock bottom prices phone,
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I'm kinda okay with the 16.
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- There is a 64 option for $100 more.
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You know, when they make the case that this is a phone
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that sells well to people who are looking
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for a cheaper phone or getting their first phone,
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I think this goes to that, which is,
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this is the low phone on their price list.
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They gotta have places where they cut back.
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And this is not where I would complain
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about it being base 16.
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I'm gonna complain more about 16 as a base in an iPhone 7.
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But the iPhone SE, I think it's understandable
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that that would start at the rock bottom,
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like just as low as we can possibly make it
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and still sell it.
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So it doesn't bother me.
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Does it bother you?
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In this phone, no it doesn't. Because it is cheaper and this is the phone that for many
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people they want to be as cheap as possible so if this keeps the price down any then it's
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every you know every penny is well saved. We did just have somebody else go over Twitter.
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Does this have 3D touch this phone? I don't think it does right?
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does not know. So that's the one thing that it is missing from the 6s then? Yes.
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Okay. Yes. Yeah so as you said there's a 64 gigabyte which is $499 pre-orders on
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March 24th available on March 31st and it'll be in 100 countries by the end of
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May. Yep yeah and I think I think I think it'll do well for them because as they
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put up the stats the 5s has been doing well for them and this is a way better
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phone. So I think it's going to do well for them. All of us, again, tech nerds, are going
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to be bored by it, but it's not for us.
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This was, again, another strange thing today. In talking about the justification of this
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product and then the justification of the smaller iPad Pro, they gave numbers away.
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So they gave numbers away of how many 4-inch phones are sold, and they gave numbers away
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about how many 9.7-inch iPads have been sold.
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- I know, they're teasing us.
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They love bringing out those numbers.
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They know all the details, right?
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And they don't have to release those in the financials.
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And every now and then they do,
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and this is where you see the chart from Horace Deju,
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where he's gotten like three times
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they've mentioned this figure,
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and I can make a chart from that, right?
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But it's not something we get every quarter,
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so you have to do some intuiting of the numbers
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and what they all mean.
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So I love it when they do that.
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They dropped just enough data to help their case,
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but it's not data we've heard before
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and we may never hear it again.
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It's hilarious, but they did.
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They talked about how many of those small phones
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they've sold and how many of those
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normal sized iPads they've sold.
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- The last thing on iPhone, I guess,
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it was in this segment.
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iOS 9, sorry, iOS 9.3 is available today.
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Yes, I've been running that--
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- Not really anything to say there
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that we don't already know.
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- I've been running that beta for a while.
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I know that there was a funny moment on,
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for people who aren't listening to Canvas,
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which is a great show about iOS productivity
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with Fraser and Federico.
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They were making statements about what the iPad can do
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based on the 9.3 beta, and somebody wrote in to say,
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why can't my device do that?
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And it turned out, oh, that's because you're not
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on the beta.
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I have nothing but my highest recommendations for 9.3.
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I've been running the beta on that iPad Pro for a while.
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It fixes a lot of iPad Pro problems with 9.2
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and has been very stable for me.
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- Yeah, outside of the issue that I had with the Pencil,
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which has now been resolved,
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also nothing but good things to say about 9.3.
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Night Shift really is a fantastic feature
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and is worth upgrading alone just for that.
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it really will change the way that you think about
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using your device, it's lovely, I really like it.
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You know, it's made me go and install Flux on my Mac
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because I was enjoying it so much.
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I wish that they could have done it
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or could do it with the Apple Watch
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'cause now I have this bright blue light on my wrist
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in the evenings.
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- But it seems that I would assume they would have done that
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if they could have done that.
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Maybe the display technology is not good enough to do that.
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Alright, let's take our next break and then we'll start talking about the iPad.
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the main event, the iPad.
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So basically the kind of the spiel for this is Phil on stage doing this.
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He said many people are telling us that the iPad Pro is becoming their primary computing
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They had lots of quotes from people about how the iPad Pro and the pencil is really
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helping those who work in design.
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They had John Lasseter up there.
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They had a couple of other people whose names I can't remember but I just read Creativity
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So John Lesnar's name is emblazoned in my brain.
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Right. They had Christopher Finn, who used to be the editor at Mac format, I want to say.
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And they quoted him, which was fun to see somebody I know quoted as praising the pencil.
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Basically, they have introduced what Apple is referring to as the second member of the iPad Pro family.
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It is 9.7 inches and weighs less than a pound.
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And Apple, again, they address why are we making this, right?
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They are saying that the display, the 9.7 inch display, is the display that they started
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with because it's large but easy enough to carry.
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It's portable.
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It's the most popular iPad size.
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They said they sold 200 million iPads in that size since they first started selling iPads.
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So again, you can kind of work out how many, with that number, you can now go back and
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work out how many iPad minis have been sold, you know, up to a certain point.
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You know, there's, Horace Dedue can run around with his hair on fire with that number now.
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He was there today too, so I'm sure he was writing all those numbers down.
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He probably already had the chart going.
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Also, this is something really interesting, but he spent quite a bit of time talking about
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Windows here.
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And they basically said that the majority of people that come to Apple products from
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Windows go to the iPad, not the Mac.
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And then they gave a statistic that there are 600 million PCs in use that are over five
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years old and Apple want these people.
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So I think I've seen some people saying, "Oh, that's good.
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They're still running."
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I don't think the point was that Apple was saying, "Look how old all these PCs are."
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I think their point was these people are due for an upgrade soon and they want to make
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sure that they can be that upgrade with the iPad. And they referred to the iPad as the
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ultimate PC replacement in more than one instance here. This is a repositioning of the iPad,
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and I am thrilled to see this marketing message.
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Yeah, it's funny. They talk about it in terms of Windows PCs, because they don't want to
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trample on the Mac, which didn't get mentioned at all.
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We'll get to that.
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I think that's good. I was talking to John Gruber afterward, and he pointed out quite
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rightly that it's sort of a hard sell to say this makes laptops obsolete also we
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here are some new laptops. How do you do that? That's my feeling on this as well.
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So you kind of leave those as separate but yeah this is seeing it as an
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opportunity I know they feel that people use PCs for you think about a five-year
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older PC. These are people who bought a PC, a lot of them, because they needed something to get on the internet, right?
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Again, we have to have the perspective here of not like a super tech enthusiast, but just as a regular person.
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There was a time, not too long ago, where there were a whole class of things that we do that we considered computer things, right?
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And we don't anymore, because we have iPads and smartphones. We don't consider those, the computer, the personal computer is not the only way to do those things.
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But the people who bought these PCs, some percentage of them bought them for like email or to see the web.
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And I'm sure Apple's done a lot of research on this front. Those people are ripe to replace those things with iPads.
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Because they don't need anything more than an iPad to do those things. My mom is like that.
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My mom had a computer, had a MacBook Pro, to do email and the web and some photos.
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And it was overkill, but that was sort of like the best way to get it.
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But she replaced her MacBook with an iPad Air.
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And it's fine, because she didn't need a computer, she didn't need a PC to do what she did.
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And so I think that's what Apple is looking at when they're thinking of that opportunity.
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You could also argue, we've talked about a little bit,
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I know I've said that I think Microsoft Office is really great on iOS.
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There are people for whom the iPad is probably fine because their idea of why they have a computer is Microsoft Office, like is Excel or Word.
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And even for those people, there's a story for the iPad.
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So, you know, I think it's interesting that they're going straight at old PCs, but I think it also makes sense.
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It goes back to the initial argument about the iPad, which is for a lot of people, it's
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that car truck argument in a way.
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For a lot of people, you really don't need to buy another PC.
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If you're in the market for a new device to replace your Windows PC, why would you buy
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You don't need to use it for any of those things.
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The iPad will do it all and be lighter and better.
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So then they go on to talk about this product in a little bit more detail.
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So well they throw in 1 million iPad apps, you know, fine.
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Basically we have the same display materials here, they said as the iPad Pro 12.9, but
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they have something new called True Tone, which appears to just be in the 9.7 iPad Pro
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Yeah, there are a couple features that are only in the 9.7 iPad Pro, and we're really
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have to come up with some shorthand for these things because 9.7 inch iPad Pro is a mouthful.
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Yeah, let's see where this ends up settling down. Maybe Marco can give it a name like he did MacBook
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One. Yeah, I saw Michael Gartenberg and Serenity Caldwell both were calling it the baby pro.
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So we'll see. But at least for now let's continue with 9.7 and 12.9.
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So there's True Tone, and then really quickly, the other feature that's slightly interesting is a wider color gamut.
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So, you know, when the 5K iMac got revved and the 4K iMac came out, they had the support for this better color gamut.
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They show more colors than the old 5K iMac that I've got.
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That's the color gamut on the new iPad Pro, the 9.7 inch.
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It's got, and not on the big iPad Pro.
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So they're putting that wider color gamut
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into mobile devices now,
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and this is the first one to get it.
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- So as well as the wide color gamut was this True Tone,
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which is basically some additional sensors
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that measure ambient light
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and adjust the color temperature of the display
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to make the display look more natural looking.
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This sounds really great.
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I've got to say, I'm a little bit miffed that this is in just this version.
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It's interesting to me that just after a couple of months as the iPad Pro existing, that the
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line has not only been duplicated but bifurcated.
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That is an interesting decision to make on Apple's part here.
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Yeah, I guess gone are the days of everything moving in lockstep, right?
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Now things are just sort of like new features keep coming into the product line and then
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keep moving out of the product line.
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I wonder, there's a whole thing to be considered about what this means for the iPad Pro, the
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Now that there's pencil support in the smaller device and all these other things that are
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great in the smaller device, the iPad Pro is now a different choice, right?
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choice based on wanting the size more than it is wanting the features, right?
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Because the smaller iPad now has...so it'll be interesting to see how that goes.
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I too am kind of bummed out that my iPad Pro doesn't have this sensor.
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So you know, all these devices have ambient light sensors so you can have it auto-adjust
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the brightness, and I always hated that and generally I've turned that off in most of
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my devices because I always hate sitting somewhere and the lighting slightly changes in the room
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and suddenly my iPhone gets dimmer.
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bugs me. But this is really interesting in that now it's detecting color, the color temperature
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of the light in the room that you're in and adjusting the white point on the display,
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which is really cool. That's a cool idea that if you're in a room with really yellow light,
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what happens is your eyes adapt and your eyes do what photographers would call a white balance
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in a camera because a camera is not eyes, your eyes adapt and say that this yellow light
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on this white piece of paper is white.
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But your iPad doesn't change color and their demo was really smart.
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The iPad is always just like whatever color temperature it's set to.
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So in a yellowish light, it's still going to have this really bluish white.
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So with this sensor, if you're in yellowish light, it's going to reset its white point
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to that and everything on the screen is going to be yellowish.
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Which on one level you'd be like, "Well wait, hold on a second, I don't want that."
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But in a lot of cases you probably do want that.
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It probably feels a lot more natural to use the device.
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And if you've ever flipped open your iPad or your iPhone in a dim and sort of yellowy
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lit room and then shocked at how bright and blue the light seems. This is the feature
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that prevents that. And you can turn it on and off, so if you don't like it, it's system
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wide, you just turn it off and it doesn't do it anymore, just like the night shift setting.
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Then we have four stereo speakers, the A9X and the M9, like the larger iPad Pro. Then
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accessories. This is where it starts to get a little bit interesting. So we have
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a new smart keyboard to fit the size. Did you get to try this?
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I did. You know they shrunk down the keys. They shrunk down the keys. The only way
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to get a keyboard on that smaller iPad is to make all the keys smaller. So while
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the smart keyboard, the keyboard cover on the iPad Pro, big iPad Pro, is a
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a full-size keyboard. This isn't. This is a shrunken down keyboard. And otherwise it feels exactly the same as the other one.
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And they tried to make the modifier keys a little bit smaller so that they could, I'm sure, maximize the amount of keycap size for all the keys.
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But if you're used to typing on a standard-sized keyboard, this one is not going to do it for you because it's not that size. It's scaled down.
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For some people it won't matter. It's going to really depend on your personal typing preferences,
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but it does not have going for it what the regular, you know, the big iPad Pro keyboard
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cover has going for it, which is it's a standard keyboard layout. This is a shrunken down keyboard layout.
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They then say that the greatest accessory Apple has ever made, the Apple Pencil, is also
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enabled for this hyper pro. I agree with that. They're not making a smaller version of the pencils so that's good news
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There's like the little pencil mini is not happening. It's just a regular old pencil. That would be bad though
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There is a new SD card reader and a new powered USB camera adapter
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But this is only half the story
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Because this thing has a USB cable on and Schiller specifically called out on stage
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you can do your podcasts right from an iPad Pro.
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- Yeah, so he mentioned podcasts on stage
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from the iPad Pro, that blew me away.
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That was very interesting to even mention that.
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I know, well, podcasters want to attach microphones to it.
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And then I looked,
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I thought about whether I should applaud then,
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but I didn't want to be the only one applauding.
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And then Rene Ritchie started applauding
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and I immediately started applauding with him.
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And we got a round of applause for podcasters
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using microphones on the iPad Pro.
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Let's get real here for a moment, shall we?
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I mean, congratulations, we have a piece of hardware.
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- Were we not real before?
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- Where is the software that we need to go along it?
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Now this is an Apple's thing, but like you can, you know,
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it's fantastic that you can use a good microphone.
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I don't know if it's gonna power the setup
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that I would need, who knows, we can find out,
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maybe it would.
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But you know, what I would want to know
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is that I have the software to use alongside it.
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And what I want to be able to do is to have a call,
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doesn't have, you know, in the background
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and also record that call.
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Now, until that happens, nobody's doing.
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Well, there are people, but I can't,
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just because you've given me the ability
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to have a better microphone,
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that actually doesn't really help too much.
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I mean, it's great that you can do it, but it's one step.
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The next step is being able to record the call.
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- Right, right.
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And you know, when you announce a product like this,
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you're trying to come up with an example
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of how you'd use this.
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It's funny that they still call it the camera connector
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and yet everybody knows and it's even recognized
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on stage when it's announced.
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They're like, yeah, it's called the camera connector
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and you can connect your camera,
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but you can connect other USB devices too,
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like podcasters with microphones.
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So my question is-
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- Why don't you call it the USB connector?
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- Well, one, why not call it the USB connector?
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Two, why did you bring up the podcast?
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Did you just feel you wanted another example?
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Why did you bring it up on stage?
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And three, if you care enough to use that as an example,
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will you care enough to add better support
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for audio recording into iOS 10?
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I guess we'll have to wait and see for that one.
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But if they do, then we'll all point back
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to this announcement and be like,
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"Aha, see, that's where they were going."
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And if they don't, we'll be like,
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you know, sad trombone, oh well.
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'Cause I'll say it, right, that people have been asking me
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about it, as you can imagine.
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I mean, the fact that you can power, this is step one,
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this was the first thing that I wanted,
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was the ability to use, hopefully, any microphone I want,
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or better microphones than what's, you know,
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the ones that currently don't work.
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That is step one, step two is the software part,
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and if that comes to bear, yeah, I would do it.
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I mean, I don't think I would change
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my everyday podcast recording, but on location
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and stuff like that, 100% I would just use the iPad then.
01:17:20
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And if Apple puts support for this sort of stuff into iOS,
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would I have a problem with Federico doing it then?
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No, I wouldn't.
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My issue right now with, say, someone like him doing this
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is purely because it just can't work elegantly.
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There are people that do it,
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but they have to do it in really weird ways.
01:17:39
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What we're doing today is similar.
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- That's exactly it. - I'm speaking to you
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over your iPhone headset,
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and then we have a recording at the end,
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but I can't hear you as clearly,
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that affects the way that I can interpret what you're saying
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and I wanna hear you as clearly as I can.
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- My better microphone is not attached to my iPhone,
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it's attached to a recorder that is sitting here
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on my passenger seat recording me
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with this clip on microphone on my shirt,
01:18:08
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but you can't hear that right as we record this live,
01:18:11
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but in the final recording,
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people will be able to hear that one.
01:18:14
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And this is a case where if you can unify that
01:18:17
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so that I can attach a good microphone
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and record it on my end and you can hear it live
01:18:23
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and then I can send you my recording when I'm done,
01:18:25
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then we will have solved it.
01:18:26
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But it's not, that requires some software help
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from Apple really in order to get it to work right.
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So maybe we'll get there.
01:18:35
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And there are a few ways Apple could do it too.
01:18:38
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Apple could do it, I don't wanna spend too much time
01:18:40
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podcasters talking about podcasting,
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but Apple could do it by changing things in the system.
01:18:45
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Apple could also do it by supporting some of the audio
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controls in the web browser that Chrome supports.
01:18:53
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And then you could actually potentially use web apps
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to do it, which would be a pretty sweet solution.
01:18:59
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But I would really rather Apple made it possible
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to just sort of record arbitrarily from an input device
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while other apps are running and using the same input devices.
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That's what I really want is I want
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Rogue Amoeba to be able to make audio hijack for iOS
01:19:19
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and let me say, OK, here's my microphone
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that I'm going to use on this Skype call.
01:19:23
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Start recording it.
01:19:24
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And then switch to Skype and make a call.
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And right now you can't do that.
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You can't have them both function simultaneously.
01:19:31
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And it would be lovely--
01:19:32
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Anyway, the other piece of the puzzle was always how do you--
01:19:36
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I in fact bought a USB hub the other week on Amazon,
01:19:41
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specifically so that I could power a microphone
01:19:43
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attached to an iPad.
01:19:45
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And this will probably make that unnecessary,
01:19:49
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which is pretty cool.
01:19:51
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- So in the usual, what happens after these events,
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little bits come out that you might not know about.
01:19:56
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So it's an interesting thing.
01:19:58
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The 12.9 inch iPad Pro transfers data
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over that adapter at USB three speeds.
01:20:05
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The 9.7 is at USB 2 speeds.
01:20:08
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- Ah, ah-ha, take that, baby iPad Pro.
01:20:12
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- You keep your display warmth.
01:20:14
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- We got you there.
01:20:15
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- There's also a new 29-watt USB-C power adapter
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that enables faster charging on these devices.
01:20:21
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- Huh, that makes sense, right?
01:20:24
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Because this one's USB-C to Lightning.
01:20:28
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- Yeah, yeah.
01:20:29
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- Huh, preparing us for the USB-C future.
01:20:35
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Then also we have the camera.
01:20:38
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So the camera on the new iPad,
01:20:40
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it's as good a camera as I believe in the iPhone,
01:20:45
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the current iPhones, but it's got a bump.
01:20:49
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- Yeah, the camera bump has moved from the iPhone 6
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to the iPad Pro.
01:20:57
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It's got a bump, it's got the same bump.
01:21:01
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- Yep, yeah.
01:21:02
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So did you get, I'm sure you got to handle this device,
01:21:06
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did you get to see if that affected anything?
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- I didn't put it flat down on the table
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and try to write on it.
01:21:12
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My guess is that it would probably not be a very serious,
01:21:15
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little, you know, it would rock a little bit.
01:21:18
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But I didn't get a chance to try that out.
01:21:19
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I did some sketching in my hand, which is fun,
01:21:23
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because you know, on the iPad Pro,
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you kind of need to hand put it down to do that.
01:21:26
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And I was able to just hold the iPad,
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the small iPad Pro in my hand
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and sketch with the other hand.
01:21:34
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That was pretty cool.
01:21:36
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That was pretty cool.
01:21:36
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But I didn't lay it down and check what the,
01:21:39
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kind of like, whether it rocks too much on a flat surface.
01:21:42
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I imagine somebody will complain about it
01:21:45
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and somebody else will say, "It's fine."
01:21:47
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And that's where it'll probably end up.
01:21:51
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But it definitely has the same bump.
01:21:55
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Don't know about that.
01:21:56
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It's, that's upsetting.
01:21:58
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Yeah, the camera bump is such an upsetting thing.
01:22:01
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for it to go onto another device, you know.
01:22:04
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If you use a case, it's fine,
01:22:06
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but I wouldn't use a case on an iPad, like on the back.
01:22:09
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I use a case on my iPhone, so I never notice the bump,
01:22:12
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but I don't think I would like it so much on a device
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that I very frequently have flat on a desk
01:22:17
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and interact with it, and if there is a rock on that,
01:22:21
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I would notice that way more than an iPhone,
01:22:24
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because I don't think you have an iPhone down on a desk
01:22:27
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interacting with it as much as you do an iPad.
01:22:29
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Maybe with the smart cover flipped around to the back,
01:22:34
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it would be fine if you use it like that.
01:22:36
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So it could be okay that way.
01:22:40
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I don't know if it would rock on the smart cover,
01:22:42
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probably not.
01:22:43
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So it might still be okay, but I know a lot of people
01:22:47
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like to use their devices completely clean,
01:22:49
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especially the iPad, so it's a shame, it's a shame.
01:22:52
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But they gotta put the camera in there,
01:22:54
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but then on the other side, for most people,
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they don't really care about the camera.
01:22:58
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Do you want to know something exciting?
01:23:02
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- So the car cast was a success,
01:23:05
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►
but you're now back in your office.
01:23:07
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- Well, the car cast was such a rousing success
01:23:09
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that the listeners of this podcast just accompanied me
01:23:13
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on a drive from Cupertino to Mill Valley.
01:23:15
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You can do the math.
01:23:16
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You can see how it works.
01:23:17
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I went through a rainstorm,
01:23:18
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but I'm home now.
01:23:21
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As you can tell, because there are no more car sounds.
01:23:27
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So just going back a second then so we can pick back up.
01:23:32
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I mean, I assume that Apple are aware of how many people use cameras on these devices.
01:23:39
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So whilst we complain that, you know, now this thing might rock on the table, depending
01:23:45
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on how you use it, they wouldn't put this camera in there unless they needed to, right?
01:23:51
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They didn't do it on the Pro because maybe they assumed people would take photos less
01:23:55
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on that because it's so big. I assume that they know that people use this camera and
01:24:00
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that's why they've gone the length to upgrading it.
01:24:04
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I assume so. I think this comes back to Apple knowing things that we don't, we may scoff
01:24:12
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at, but that everybody else knows. And we saw this, we've seen this the last couple
01:24:16
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of times that they've updated the iPad. It feels like they are embracing the fact that
01:24:20
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people use the iPad to take pictures and so they might as well put a good camera back
01:24:26
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And it took some time for them to kind of come around from the idea that it wasn't necessary,
01:24:31
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but they've come around now.
01:24:33
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Yeah, so we'll see.
01:24:36
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I don't know about that one.
01:24:37
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There are colors like cases and there are also colors of the device.
01:24:44
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So you can get the device in gold and rose gold, which you can't get with the 12.9.
01:24:50
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And the colored cases, like the smart covers and stuff, they have colored versions.
01:24:53
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You also still can't get those for the 12.9.
01:24:56
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They're really, you know, that whilst this is a pro device, 12.9 is for serious business
01:25:02
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and 9.7 is for fun.
01:25:05
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Very peculiar.
01:25:06
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Yeah, I don't get it.
01:25:07
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It may just be that it's not worth it, that they're not enough, the sales are not big
01:25:11
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enough that it's worth having that many variations.
01:25:14
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- Yeah, I guess so, right? I guess so. It's just strange because they're making them now, but...
01:25:20
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- Yeah, we haven't talked about the price. I mean, this is the aspect of it that's interesting too,
01:25:24
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is the Air 2 was cheaper. - Yeah, so this starts at $599.32, right?
01:25:34
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yep so that's that's an interesting wrinkle is that it's it's it's $599.32
01:25:40
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that's where it that's where it begins and it's calling it pro all of these
01:25:43
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things there are plenty of good reasons for it but it is interesting that that's
01:25:47
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the case and it goes up to a massive 256 gigabytes which is now on the 12.9
01:25:55
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which will take your purchase price over $1,000 if you go for the big iPad Pro I
01:26:01
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I think with LTE, oh yeah, with and without LTE,
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the 256 will take you over $1,000.
01:26:11
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- $1,300 for the 256 with LTE.
01:26:16
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- 256 though, that's pretty cool, huh?
01:26:18
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- What would you do with that amount of space on an iPad?
01:26:21
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I don't even know.
01:26:22
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- I don't even know either photos.
01:26:25
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- How many photos is that?
01:26:27
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- That's a lot of photos.
01:26:27
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- That's a lot of photos.
01:26:29
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Movies but like do you really need I don't know. I guess you could fill it but
01:26:34
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I'd be surprised if many people would fill it right now. All right, but we have the product line. We had the naming
01:26:40
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So we have iPad mini iPad air 2 iPad Pro 9.7 inch iPad Pro 12.9 inch. That's what the slide said
01:26:54
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Yep, I don't really you know, it seems like Apple are referring to them as the 9.7 and the 12.9
01:27:00
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I guess fine if that's how you want to do it and not something massively complicated
01:27:05
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They they dropped the numbers on the iPad mini
01:27:08
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I don't know why they still call it iPad air 2 when it doesn't seem like they're selling any other iPad is
01:27:15
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Well, I mean that's the it's the version number right there. They're iPhone
01:27:21
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Six yeah, but they don't know they oh, yeah, it's still iPad mini for it's still called the iPad mini
01:27:26
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Well, I just said iPad mini on the slide, but okay. So there you go
01:27:29
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They used the line at the end which they used a bunch. They called the iPad Pro the future of personal computing
01:27:36
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Mm-hmm. So yeah, I think that really wraps into why we didn't see max
01:27:41
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Today, I think so. I think it's a it's a different
01:27:46
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different conversation different audience
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Mac is the Mac is I would be surprised if they even I mean
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I think the Mac is gonna get some people are gonna get the invites and get briefings and then there's gonna be a press release and
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Some embargoes will drop and that's how we'll find out about new Macs between now and WWDC. Do you think yeah, probably
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The rumors are that that stuff is ready to go. So that'll probably have maybe next month sense
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I really do think that this was a this was a decision
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to make a statement
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about the iPad?
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Yeah, yeah, I think so, and calling it pro is interesting because they're saying this is a
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you know, this is a professional thing, and maybe that's also saying that
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if you aren't thinking of this as a professional thing, then
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um, then buy the Air 2 instead.
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For less than it used to cost.
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Any other thoughts on the iPad from handling it?
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it? You know, it's an iPad Air, essentially. It is not that different. It doesn't seem
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that different. This is something that could have been released as an iPad Air 3 and we
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wouldn't have blinked, I think. Other than to say—and here's the argument that I think
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somebody at Apple probably made—other than to say, "How is the iPad Pro a Pro if the
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only thing differentiating it from this is the size?" I think that was the right decision.
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so at that point why would you call that
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"Pro" if there was another one that was
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just as good but smaller. So I can see,
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you know, you could argue that they need
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to give the iPad Pro some kind of name,
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the big one, and then what do you do with
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this one then? Because now you kind of
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either walled it off from those features
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or you're going to have those features
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and then why is this not Pro? So alright,
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here it is, now it's Pro. And then it gets
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back to what we were talking about about
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about product lines that at that point the non-pro ones are the kind of not as
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advanced but they're cheaper and that's what the iPad Air 2 is. And the question
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is you know what happens to the iPad Air? Do we end up with an iPad Air SE?
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iPad SE at some point that is essentially kind of a two-year-old tech
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but cheaper instead of just selling the old model? It'll be interesting to see
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what happens. What's the next step in this strategy beyond this year?
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I'm interested to see how that plays out. So, overall, how do you feel about this event?
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You know, it's a minor event in a lot of ways. It's a small event at Town Hall. These
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are not other than like a couple new features these are not like huge
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groundbreaking new products there's already a you know there's already an
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iPad Air size and there's already iPad Pro features this is just sort of
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bringing them together and likewise there's already iPhone 6s features and
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there's already already the iPhone 5s design and the iPhone SE just brings
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them together and so it's it's important for Apple's business. Apple wants to set
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the stage for these products. These are products that actually, what's
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interesting about them is they are more interesting as part of an ensemble than
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they are on their own. I think, you know, what's interesting about the new iPad
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Pro is that it's an iPad Pro with a big brother and that's how it's
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being pitched. What's interesting about the iPhone SE is that it's the
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four-inch iPhone in a family with two larger phones that are similarly specced.
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I think those are both interesting, but they're both sort of supporting players.
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Now, I think that the 9.7-inch iPad Pro will be the best-selling iPad of the
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next year, right? I mean, I think that's the sweet spot. It's the new iPad and the
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size that people are comfortable with. I think it'll sell really well. I think
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that'll be the winner of the iPad line. So it's not like it's a minor iPad. It's
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probably the best of the iPads and the biggest selling of the iPads. But what's
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interesting about it is where it fits in the family, because it's stuff we've seen
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before with a couple exceptions just not together in the same product.
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So shall we move on to some Ask Upgrade questions?
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Sure! We have Ask Upgrade, do I need to get back in the car?
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No, you can stay where you are. Okay, okay, I will do that then.
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So we have some event-themed Ask Upgrade questions. The first comes from Rob. Who does all the
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clapping at the Apple events?
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The first five rows or so are reserved for Apple employees. You get Tim Cook and Phil
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Schiller and Greg Joswiak and people like that in the first couple of rows, but there
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are also a bunch of Apple people there. They do. And then there are also Apple-like invited
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guests who are not press and those people will clap. Some press will clap
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occasionally, maybe perfunctorily, but then the Apple employees will clap
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loudly and they start a lot of applause and then once you've got an applause
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going everybody sort of you know might politely applause. Sometimes you do,
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sometimes you don't. I did a polite silent clap a couple of times, but
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mostly it's the Apple employees and that's true of any Apple event. They put
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VIPs and employees in the crowd and they're whooping it up and that helps make it seem
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like less like a dead press conference because journalists wouldn't do it, generally.
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This comes in from Jan.
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About the 9.7 inch iPad price point.
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So before it was $4.99 for 16GB, now it's $5.99 for 32GB instead of what was $64 before.
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Why are they priced it this way?
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Now my thinking would be that Apple feels that the additional features like the ability
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to use the pencil, the screen stuff, and the ability to take this device, I mean, albeit
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with more hundreds of dollars in accessories bolted on to another level, I think is what
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they feel gives it that higher entry level price.
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Why do you think it has the higher entry level price though?
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I think it's that.
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I think they're, you know, they've got the 32 and they have the Pro features and I think
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they've just decided to embrace that.
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It's a more expensive product, it's got a better screen, it's got the pencil support,
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it's got the smart connector, it's got all those features that were in the more expensive
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iPad Pro already and so this is an opportunity for them to just sort of go in on it and say
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the people who are buying this product are people who want the Pro features and the Pro
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features cost more. So I'm sure there's some buying psychology involved too, but I'm sure
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some of it is the margins. This is almost certainly a more expensive product to make.
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This comes in from Myke. For reading comics and magazines,
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would you recommend the new 9.7 inch iPad Pro or the iPad mini 4?
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Oh, for reading comics and magazines, I would always recommend the bigger screen.
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Especially now with the increased color and all that sort of stuff, I guess it's even better,
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right? Yeah, yeah. I had an iPad Mini for many years and you know it's small.
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It was always small. Even though it's got the same number of pixels,
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they're all so small. Unless you've got very good vision, you know you're
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gonna end up zooming and panning and stuff. And so I think for reading comics
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and magazines a bigger display is better. Mikkel's wrote in to ask, "Are we planning
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on selling our 12 inch iPad Pros than a 9 inch. What about you?
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No. No, I have no plans to do that. I, uh, we'll see how much, you know, I'll try it
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out and I'll see. But I like the big size now. I look at my wife's iPad here too and
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it looks like a toy. And split view and stuff like that is just so much better. And then
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you drop in a picture in picture and it's just like, yeah, I mean, I've kind of embraced
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that. I don't think I want to ever give that up.
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Yeah, I'm all in on the size. It's not just the fact that it's the Pro, like what the
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iPad Pro gets you. It really is the size for me.
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Yeah. Yeah, plus I like the keyboard. I mean, I've got issues with the keyboard, but I was
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using, for complicated reasons, I briefly was using an iPad Air 2 this weekend, and
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it brought its keyboard up and I had a moment of recoil. I was like, "Ew." Like, "Ew, no.
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Give me back my full-sized, lots-of-keys iPad Pro keyboard."
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Yeah, so is that that keyboard is like the original iPad keyboard then? Yeah, I think so. I I
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Didn't actually look but I don't see how it could couldn't be it's a 9.7 inch iPad
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So it's gonna have the standard iPad keyboard. I'll take a quick sidebar about the
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smart keyboard
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Still no international layout. Yeah, and I heard from somebody that that was gonna come eventually
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But instead they made a smaller version of it Apple told Federico that it would come
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They gave him that on the record.
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Maybe it will come someday, but they had to build this one first?
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I don't know.
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It's too bad.
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Or did they tell him the software keyboard would be changed?
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Either or, the layouts.
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Neither of them is true today.
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And our final Ask upgrade question this week is, "How noticeable is the new display on
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the 9.7" iPad Pro vs the 1290?"
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Did you really see much of a difference from the minimal time you had with it?
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you're asking the wrong guy,
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'cause it's about color gamut,
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and I can't see those colors.
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- Could you see the temperature change stuff though?
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Like if you were to use it, yeah, you'd see that.
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- Oh yeah, definitely.
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Similar in fact to the night mode,
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it's the same thing,
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it's changing the color temperature of the display,
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essentially.
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And yeah, you can tell, it's pretty dramatic.
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Even just in what you think of as a normally
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neutrally lit room and then you press the button
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and you go, "Oh!"
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And everything gets a little, in this case,
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a little more yellow, a little less blue.
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- Something that I'd forgotten to mention until now,
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which is kind of weird, I think,
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that the iPad Air 2 and the iPad Mini 4
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are the same price now.
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- That's weird, right?
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I guess it's a they both do the same thing so they're the same price and you
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just pick your poison
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yeah maybe the mini will go down in price at a later time who knows it may
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just be that the mini must be cheaper to produce surely
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I don't know I mean it's got a smaller doesn't mean cheaper right some some of
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that means many components are miniaturized and more expensive and it's
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a relatively recent update and that means the margins are probably higher
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right now but we'll get lower over time so probably it'll get its price cut in
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six months or a year. Good point, good point. I have a couple of follow-up items
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before we finish today. Yeah let's do it. Pepperoni pizza, pineapple pepperoni
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pizza. Sweep in the world. Jason was right. You had some. I made some
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this weekend. And then like ten other people tweeted pictures of pepperoni
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pineapple pizza. Yeah we started a trend over the weekend. Some people were on
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on board some people were being convinced some people really hated me
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but I did it and I loved it Jason oh my word it was so good so good I really
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loved it it is pizza it maybe is not the pizza that comes from places like New
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York or Italy but I definitely made a pizza I put those toppings on it and I
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enjoyed it very much. That's all I can ask. Everybody should just enjoy
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what they want to enjoy and and if they don't want to enjoy it that's fine but
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it was definitely it's one of my favorites. I don't even
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remember how I discovered it but there there was. Yeah that is easily a
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favorite flavor pairing because I have always liked ham and pineapple quite a lot
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it was like one of my go-to's but pepperoni is my as of like maybe the
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last couple of years has been my favourite. I think this might be edging it. The mix of
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the sweet and savoury. Yeah. I'm a fan of that. And we mentioned about the upgrade merchandise,
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all of my stuff came in. I'm so happy with it. The hoodies came out fantastically. In
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so much now is that our faithful designer Frank has created an iPhone and Mac wallpaper
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with the special design that was inside of the hoodie.
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So there's two things here.
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If you want to see what that design looked like, you can go and take a look at the wallpaper.
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There'll be a link in the show notes.
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And if you have seen it and you love it and you want to put on your devices with it, you
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The Upgrading wallpaper exists and that design is what is printed on the inside of the upgrade
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So if you didn't get one, now you can be jealous of all the people that did get one and you
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should have listened to us when we told you to get one because we told you you'd want
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it because it's also I've been wearing mine all week it's so toasty and warm I love it
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and we've been getting pictures from people showing off their upgrade hoodies and they're
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all members of the secret society now and those pictures have been great so thanks to
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all the people tweeting at us those have been those have been great a lot less love for
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the brain ball shirts but I love I think it's my favorite shirt that I've had made from
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a podcast now. I wore the brain ball, I got the Raglan and I wore it this weekend for
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the first time and I love it. In fact at one point I had the upgrade hoodie over the brain
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ball Raglan and I felt like I was flying the flag. That was me over the weekend too. The
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Raglan came out really well, I'm really happy with it. I'm pleased that we did all of that.
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So again, I'm really pleased that we did that and I hope that everybody that has them enjoys
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So I think that wraps up our Apple event coverage.
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Thank you so much for tuning in.
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I hope that you enjoyed the car cast as it were.
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We have a bunch of links in our show notes as always.
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You can head on over to relay.fm/upgrades/81 to get all of those.
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I want to take a moment to thank all of our sponsors for this week's episode, Ministry
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of Supply, Squarespace, ITProTV and FreshBooks.
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Jason, thank you for being on the scene and for reporting in for upgrade.
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We obviously all really appreciate that.
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Thank you for keeping me company, everyone, while I was driving back from the Apple event.
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You will find a lot more of Jason's thoughts and opinions and feelings about the products
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from today's announcement over at SixColors.com.
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And I believe you'll be doing some stuff for other places, but you'll link to them there.
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You should always go to Six Colors first and then go to other websites from there.
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That's how I do all of my web browsing.
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It's the definitive location for all of my things.
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I begin at Six Colors and then hopefully find a link out to Google.
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That's how I work.
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If you want to find Jason on Twitter, he's @jsnell, J-S-N-E-L-L-L. I am @imike, I-M-Y-K-E.
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Thank you so much for listening.
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We'll be back next week.
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Until then...
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Oh, I won't be actually.
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You have another special guest next week.
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You blew it.
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I'll get the week off.
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Yes, I will be back with a special guest.
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Hopefully it will be Serenity Caldwell to talk about perhaps her thoughts about this
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and what it means for pencil lovers to have a new iPad Pro in the family.
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But we will hopefully Serenity will be here next week to fill in for you, Mr. Hurley.
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Goodbye, everybody.
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