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00:00:08 ◼   ► from relay FM this is upgrade episode number 92 today's show is brought to you

00:00:14 ◼   ► by the lovely folk over at casper squarespace

00:00:17 ◼   ► and pingdom my name is mike hurley and i'm joined by mr jason snell hello

00:00:22 ◼   ► jason snell hi mike it's good to be back uh talking

00:00:25 ◼   ► to you last week we did our special pre-taped

00:00:27 ◼   ► holiday edition and we're a day late this time because you were off gallivanting around

00:00:32 ◼   ► Spain around Catalonia and but we're back and it's good because next week we will be

00:00:40 ◼   ► together in San Francisco for WWDC.

00:00:43 ◼   ► We sure will so that can only mean one thing today that we are going to talk about WWDC

00:00:50 ◼   ► rumors and expectations.

00:00:52 ◼   ► However dear listener we are doing something slightly different today we are going to be

00:00:56 ◼   ► doing a WWDC rumor draft, the first annual upgrade WWDC rumor draft.

00:01:04 ◼   ► Okay, sure, first annual, right.

00:01:07 ◼   ► The upgradeees pointed out that first annual was the right way to go because we did it

00:01:11 ◼   ► again.

00:01:12 ◼   ► So I'm going to explain that to you in just a moment about how we're going to go about

00:01:15 ◼   ► doing all of that today, but we do have a couple of small items of the follow-up.

00:01:21 ◼   ► And Jason, I believe you need to make some kind of public apology.

00:01:24 ◼   ► Yeah, I'm a terrible person.

00:01:26 ◼   ► I mentioned Les Misérables and said that it was about the French Revolution, but it

00:01:30 ◼   ► said after that, the fact is, I haven't seen Les Misérables as my wife pointed out this

00:01:36 ◼   ► morning, the 90s musical that I saw when I was in New York City was Phantom of the Opera.

00:01:41 ◼   ► Oh wow, that's quite an interesting mistake to make.

00:01:45 ◼   ► So I missed, well, it was actually about to start when I was outside the theater next

00:01:52 ◼   ► to the hotel that I was staying at and I was alone and was like, "I will just go in and

00:01:58 ◼   ► see a Broadway show for, you know, at Standing Room for some ridiculously cheap price." And

00:02:03 ◼   ► the show happened to be The Phantom of the Opera. But anyway, so I haven't seen Les

00:02:06 ◼   ► Mis and my wife was watching the Carpool Karaoke with James Corden this morning and a bunch

00:02:12 ◼   ► of Broadway stars because the Tony Awards are coming up and they were singing a song

00:02:15 ◼   ► from Les Mis and I was like, "Yeah, I don't know that song." So anyway, I got that wrong.

00:02:19 ◼   ► I have seen Les Mis, but I don't know enough about the history of Les Mis to have corrected

00:02:24 ◼   ► you.

00:02:25 ◼   ► It's French people. It was all pretty much just the French Revolution for like a hundred

00:02:27 ◼   ► years, right? Yeah? Sure.

00:02:28 ◼   ► I think they're still doing it.

00:02:30 ◼   ► I'm terrible. I don't know anything about musicals or French history. I apologize. The

00:02:36 ◼   ► other bit of follow-up we have, which is in the category of follow-up we're not going

00:02:40 ◼   ► to follow up about, which is just this news. We had some podcasting business news. We've

00:02:45 ◼   ► been talking a little bit about the business of podcasting the last few weeks and our friends

00:02:49 ◼   ► at mid-roll including Mr. Lex Friedman who was on this very show a few weeks ago bought

00:02:54 ◼   ► Stitcher the podcast-ish playing app for four and a half million dollars. Four and a half

00:03:03 ◼   ► million dollars is not a lot of money for a company that had like twelve people. Well

00:03:07 ◼   ► they bought it from Deezer who bought out Stitcher not too long ago Deezer is like a

00:03:11 ◼   ► Spotify but in Europe it's not really known in the US. And it looks like either Deezer

00:03:19 ◼   ► had some cash flow issues or just decided it was not a direction they want to go in.

00:03:23 ◼   ► And we'll talk about this and sometime down the road I think we'll revisit the business

00:03:28 ◼   ► and podcasting thing now is not the time but I'm intrigued by that sale price because that

00:03:33 ◼   ► says something to me. I'm not quite sure whether it says something about Deezer or something

00:03:39 ◼   ► about viewing the business model of this and deciding maybe that music discovery streaming

00:03:45 ◼   ► companies don't really fit with podcasts, which I would argue, or whether it says something

00:03:50 ◼   ► about the value of Stitcher that it was sold for a song essentially. But regardless, Midroll,

00:03:58 ◼   ► Lexus company, which is a podcast network and an ad sales network, is now also the owner

00:04:03 ◼   ► of this app that plays podcasts, although in a non-standard way where they're kind of

00:04:08 ◼   ► of like gobbling up your files and re-encoding them and putting ads in between them and stuff

00:04:13 ◼   ► like that. But it's an interesting development and you know, definitely something for us

00:04:18 ◼   ► to perhaps discuss with Lex at some point down the road.

00:04:21 ◼   ► But not now.

00:04:22 ◼   ► >> I want to reserve judgement on this one a little bit. I think that on paper for the

00:04:30 ◼   ► openness of podcasts that we've been speaking about, even when Lex was on, it seems like

00:04:35 ◼   ► a bad thing but I want to see what mid-roll do with it before I cast a

00:04:40 ◼   ► judgment but if I was gonna make a guess it would be so they're able to collect

00:04:45 ◼   ► more data to sell for their advertisers which we know mid-roll would like because

00:04:49 ◼   ► Lex told us so this gives them a way to do that we'll see how it ends up playing

00:04:54 ◼   ► out yeah I'm Marco and John Gruber have both reacted negatively to this which is

00:05:02 ◼   ► not surprising. I've never been a fan of Stitcher, but I view this and think, you know, I'm not

00:05:08 ◼   ► entirely sure that mid-roll isn't going to make Stitcher better because I think mid-roll

00:05:12 ◼   ► is less interested in Stitcher's kind of weird total control, re-encode your streams kind

00:05:18 ◼   ► of approach and maybe more concerned with data, yeah, with understanding the data. But

00:05:24 ◼   ► the bottom line is, you know, Stitcher's only a few percent of the podcast market, a small

00:05:28 ◼   ► percentage and their demographics. Midroll's going to be able to tell what the behavior

00:05:33 ◼   ► of Stitcher listeners is, but Stitcher listeners aren't like other listeners, so they're going

00:05:37 ◼   ► to get behavioral data about some segment of the podcast market, but that doesn't necessarily

00:05:42 ◼   ► mean it's behavioral data that can be portable to other parts of the podcast market. So I'm

00:05:49 ◼   ► also going to wait and see.

00:05:51 ◼   ► MATT PORTER, PRODUCER, PRODUCER, PRODUCER, PRODUCER, PRODUCER, PRODUCER, PRODUCER, PRODUCER,

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00:05:53 ◼   ► interest to try and attract as many podcast creators as possible into the Stitcher platform.

00:05:58 ◼   ► So I'm interested to see what they do with it. Right? Because as you say, they currently

00:06:03 ◼   ► have a specific type of person who listens in Stitcher. As opposed to the, you know,

00:06:09 ◼   ► all apps have their own specific types. You know, I bet Overcast skews more technology

00:06:14 ◼   ► show. I bet the iTunes app skews more NPR. But they're bigger, audience wise, I would

00:06:21 ◼   ► say than Stitcher are.

00:06:23 ◼   ► Oh, by far, by far, I would say.

00:06:25 ◼   ► So you know, it would be interesting to see what the mid-roll do. I mean, we are not on

00:06:30 ◼   ► Stitcher, we have never been on Stitcher at Real AFM. We just didn't like some of the

00:06:34 ◼   ► terms in their contract agreements that they make you sign to be as part of their platform.

00:06:41 ◼   ► Whilst we have signed agreements with other companies, you know, like Google and Spotify,

00:06:46 ◼   ► we are more comfortable with those companies and those agreements. We take it on like a

00:06:50 ◼   ► you know, company by company basis, we'll see what the mid-roll will do. I would be

00:06:54 ◼   ► interested if they're able to create a platform that is as open as you can make a platform.

00:07:00 ◼   ► Well, let's see. Also, I would say, and I know this seems maybe not intuitive, but,

00:07:08 ◼   ► you know, we were talking about NPR type, other, you know, leading professional podcasters

00:07:14 ◼   ► wanting more data, and mid-roll wants more data too, no doubt, because the advertisers

00:07:18 ◼   ► want more data and as Lex said, they want data and are being sold data that doesn't

00:07:23 ◼   ► even exist in some cases. But mid-roll also has been very committed to the concept that

00:07:29 ◼   ► we have here at Relay and that I do on The Incomparable, which is that these are ads

00:07:33 ◼   ► that are read by the hosts in the host voice. They have not introduced pre-taped radio ads.

00:07:40 ◼   ► They have not introduced a product that goes through and auto-dynamically inserts radio

00:07:47 ◼   ► ads in the middle of podcasts based on when you listen and where you listen. There's a

00:07:51 ◼   ► lot of really junky sleazy ad approaches to podcasts that are out there, and none of those

00:08:00 ◼   ► have been ones that I've heard Midroll espouse. So although they are a big company, you know,

00:08:05 ◼   ► owned by a big company, and they definitely want user data because they want to reach

00:08:09 ◼   ► advertisers, that's the business they're in, I'm not sure they're the ones that I'm concerned

00:08:15 ◼   ► about. But as Marco and John did point out quite

00:08:20 ◼   ► rightly, an advertising vendor owning the listening platform is a very peculiar way

00:08:28 ◼   ► to do things and maybe on paper isn't the best. It feels like maybe that their interests

00:08:35 ◼   ► would skew differently. Well, I think you could say that about Mitterl

00:08:38 ◼   ► in general that they are, because they came, Mitterl's story is that they came out of a

00:08:43 ◼   ► podcast network and they were a podcast network with their own sales team and they decided

00:08:47 ◼   ► to sell other podcasts. So they have Earwolf, the podcast network, and then they have Midroll,

00:08:53 ◼   ► which came out of Earwolf. So that is weird in and of itself, right? Because they have

00:08:58 ◼   ► their own podcast that they're selling ads for and they're selling ads for other podcasts,

00:09:02 ◼   ► including mine, including The Incomparable. They sell the ads for The Incomparable. And

00:09:06 ◼   ► they used to sell some ads for Relay too. And I always thought that was a little bit

00:09:10 ◼   ► weird and potentially a conflict of interest that they're a content provider with their

00:09:13 ◼   ► own slots that they're trying to sell ads into, and do they, you know, there are lots

00:09:17 ◼   ► of arguments there about like, are they giving the best slots and is it just sort of leftovers

00:09:21 ◼   ► or are they really trying to build a business that is neutral about this, but this gets

00:09:26 ◼   ► thrown in there too, which is like, they're trying to do a lot and it's unclear how these

00:09:31 ◼   ► things work together or if they should, so it'll be interesting to see.

00:09:35 ◼   ► I will welcome Lex Friedman back to the show.

00:09:39 ◼   ► Yeah, love to have him back.

00:09:41 ◼   ► not too distant future if he wants to talk about this. Lex, our door is open, we enjoyed

00:09:46 ◼   ► our last discussion, we'd love to hear what you have to say. But today we have even more

00:09:51 ◼   ► exciting stuff to talk about. So let me run down with you dear listener the rules of engagement

00:09:58 ◼   ► for the first annual upgrade WWDC draft. We have 28 rumors that have been added to a list

00:10:08 ◼   ► to buy me and Jason. So we've been collating this list over the last week or so. It's things

00:10:13 ◼   ► that we expect to happen or things that have been espoused as likely to happen. So we have

00:10:20 ◼   ► been adding them to a long list. We will each take turns picking from this selection until

00:10:25 ◼   ► we have put together our own list of 14. We ended up with 14 rumors each. And then after

00:10:32 ◼   ► the WWDC announcement on Monday on the keynote. We will be able to score who picked the most

00:10:38 ◼   ► things that ended up coming true and crown the first ever W upgrade WWDC draft winner

00:10:46 ◼   ► on episode 93. So that is the rules for today's draft.

00:10:51 ◼   ► So, incomparable does a lot of drafts and if people don't know this is like in professional

00:10:56 ◼   ► sports they often when people are coming out of high school or college they will all the

00:10:59 ◼   ► teams take turns picking the players and then they own the rights to those players and they

00:11:03 ◼   ► can sign them and it and then fantasy sports does that you know every year you pick who's

00:11:07 ◼   ► on your your football team and the incomparable we do it with silly things like television

00:11:12 ◼   ► characters or whatever but I'm a little uneasy about the idea that we're gonna pick a winner

00:11:18 ◼   ► from the draft because I don't you know I don't want to be held to a standard but apparently

00:11:23 ◼   ► I am going to be and also because I think feel fundamentally everybody wins when you

00:11:26 ◼   ► draft things. But anyway, we are going to still do that.

00:11:29 ◼   ► We're all winning, but there has to be one of us that will win the most. And that will

00:11:34 ◼   ► be Crown next time. In my opinion, there has to be a winner because then next year, the

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00:14:22 ◼   ► we need to decide who is going to go first, so I think we need to do some kind of coin

00:14:28 ◼   ► flip.

00:14:29 ◼   ► Okay.

00:14:30 ◼   ► Do you have a coin?

00:14:31 ◼   ► No, but I have random.org.

00:14:33 ◼   ► Why don't you go to random.org?

00:14:36 ◼   ► Random.org is the place you go whenever you need a random number chosen for you at random.

00:14:41 ◼   ► uh... i'm going to pick uh... i'm gonna pick a number do you want evens or odds

00:14:45 ◼   ► i'll take odds

00:14:47 ◼   ► and the number is forty nine you get to go first excellent so

00:14:51 ◼   ► my first pick

00:14:53 ◼   ► for the upgrade w_w_t_c_ draft is

00:14:57 ◼   ► first annual

00:14:58 ◼   ► first annual thank you so much for reminding me

00:15:01 ◼   ► i'm gonna say that OS X will be renamed

00:15:05 ◼   ► Mac OS

00:15:08 ◼   ► Oh Myke, that was going to be my pick.

00:15:10 ◼   ► I know it was. That's why I picked it first.

00:15:12 ◼   ► Boo.

00:15:12 ◼   ► Because I really feel like this is going to happen.

00:15:15 ◼   ► This is a Jason was right.

00:15:16 ◼   ► I, to my memory, you were the first person to mention this.

00:15:19 ◼   ► And I have been along this bandwagon with you.

00:15:24 ◼   ► This seems so obvious now.

00:15:26 ◼   ► Just the fact that we have Mac OS

00:15:32 ◼   ► and an X, right, for the 10.

00:15:34 ◼   ► And then you have the lineup of everything else,

00:15:36 ◼   ► which has got some kind of conformity in style and in the way that it's written. You know,

00:15:42 ◼   ► like they all look the same, they're all written the same, they all sound the same, they all

00:15:46 ◼   ► have the lowercase stuff, it's all one word. It just seems strange that we have one of

00:15:50 ◼   ► them out of the four or five now that there is that's not in this style. It just seems

00:15:56 ◼   ► so obvious that they're going to do it.

00:15:58 ◼   ► Tim: Yeah, so I've got some questions, I've got some follow-up questions for you that

00:16:03 ◼   ► We'll get into the details. It's your pick. You got it. You get all of the variations

00:16:06 ◼   ► here. But I have a couple questions for you. One is, do you think it will be Mac OS, lower

00:16:10 ◼   ► case M-A-C, capital OS, one word, or do you think it will be Mac OS, sort of keeping the

00:16:15 ◼   ► capital M and the space? That's question number one. What do you think there?

00:16:18 ◼   ► - Lower case one word. - Okay, interesting.

00:16:21 ◼   ► - Otherwise, what's the point? - Well, I'm not, well, I mean, do they need

00:16:25 ◼   ► to adhere quite that closely? They're almost never listed together. Mac OS with a capital

00:16:30 ◼   ► as the name. Also Mac is the product. The Mac is a product in a way that TV or i or

00:16:39 ◼   ► watch isn't quite the product. It's Apple watch, Apple TV, and iPhone, iPad. So I think

00:16:49 ◼   ► they could call it Mac OS and capitalize it and maybe put the space in. I think it's a

00:16:55 ◼   ► possibility. Although again, maybe this is just me denying.

00:17:00 ◼   ► I have to say, when I look at people talking about this and saying this, the people that

00:17:05 ◼   ► are like "It's gonna be Mac OS, capital M with a space" are the people that used Mac

00:17:09 ◼   ► OS before. I think that there is an element of like, not wanting to let go.

00:17:14 ◼   ► The odds, I mean, the odds that people like me and Grouper are going to just defy it if

00:17:21 ◼   ► it's called Mac OS, one word with a lowercase m, and just continue, just begin to call it

00:17:25 ◼   ► Mac OS again with capital M and a space. I'd say those odds are pretty good.

00:17:32 ◼   ► Well it's like the fact that we call them iPads and not like a bushel of iPad or whatever

00:17:38 ◼   ► it is.

00:17:39 ◼   ► iPad devices.

00:17:40 ◼   ► Yeah, the Apple one is the call.

00:17:41 ◼   ► iPad branded tablet devices.

00:17:43 ◼   ► But I do think though that you would end up eventually giving in because it is the product

00:17:48 ◼   ► name like you're giving it like a different name and not the product but like you know

00:17:51 ◼   ► it is the name of the OS. Like it might be for a while, like you just hold on tight to

00:17:56 ◼   ► what you feel is right, but eventually we're gonna have to let go of it.

00:18:00 ◼   ► - Okay, so the next question I have for you is, what is the version number? Is it Mac OS

00:18:12 ◼   ► 10.12? Is it Mac OS 11? Or as somebody on Twitter pointed out to me today, is it Mac

00:18:19 ◼   ► OS 12 because it's currently 10.11 so you'd go 10.9, 10.10, 10.11, 12. What do you think?

00:18:29 ◼   ► No, really I don't think they're gonna put a number like in the marketing. Well I mean

00:18:35 ◼   ► they do iOS 9 right? Yeah I just don't think they're gonna do it with Mac OS. Are they

00:18:40 ◼   ► gonna stick with California place names? Yeah. So you think it's gonna be Mac OS Monterey?

00:18:46 ◼   ► Yeah. There will be a number, right, that it has.

00:18:49 ◼   ► Sure, it might say version 11.0 or even version 10.12 in the about box, but you're saying

00:18:56 ◼   ► no marketing name. No marketing name.

00:18:58 ◼   ► No marketing number. Yeah.

00:18:59 ◼   ► Because I think it's not important. And I also think that once, I think next year.

00:19:05 ◼   ► Good argument. I think it's not important.

00:19:07 ◼   ► Now, they've shown that the number's not important now because they've gone to 10, 11, right?

00:19:11 ◼   ► Like the number doesn't mean anything anymore. But it is important for, they use it in marketing

00:19:15 ◼   ► for all of their other operating systems. So if they're truly going to be parallel,

00:19:18 ◼   ► would they not use a number? Right, so this is my other part, is I think

00:19:21 ◼   ► that iOS 11 will not be called 11. I think they're going to go to 10 and that's it.

00:19:26 ◼   ► Because I think once you get to a certain point, then the numbers just get too high.

00:19:31 ◼   ► So I think they'll go to iOS 10 and then they'll change the name.

00:19:35 ◼   ► Well you know, Android uses their lettering scheme with a clever name, and the Mac has

00:19:41 ◼   ► just had these nicknames. Would iOS end up with nicknames or would they, would they,

00:19:46 ◼   ► are they just going to call it iOS and not even talk about the new iOS for 2016?

00:19:51 ◼   ► I think they'll give it a name like they did with the California place names. Because they

00:19:55 ◼   ► came up with that, right? They came up with the California place name thing kind of for

00:19:58 ◼   ► no reason. Like they just wanted to give a name to OS X because the numbers were getting

00:20:03 ◼   ► ridiculous I think. So, you know, they were done with the cats and they were just like,

00:20:07 ◼   ► Let's not go to numbers. Let's actually go and give it some names

00:20:09 ◼   ► So I think they'll either do that for iOS and I'm still holding on to Apple OS at some point

00:20:15 ◼   ► Where I think that they will just converge them

00:20:19 ◼   ► Anyway, not like the OS is but I think they'll converge the branding in some way

00:20:22 ◼   ► I don't think it's gonna remain iOS forever, but that's my own weird little pet thought

00:20:27 ◼   ► But I do think that this will be Mac OS and then whatever Golden Gate or something, you know

00:20:33 ◼   ► I have no idea about the name. I don't know enough about California

00:20:36 ◼   ► - So I have a little, I also have a thing

00:20:38 ◼   ► I'm gonna put out there that again is not a,

00:20:41 ◼   ► I would say not a pickable thing.

00:20:43 ◼   ► So we're gonna roll it in here

00:20:45 ◼   ► to the first pick in the draft,

00:20:46 ◼   ► which is, I still wonder and maybe it's not this year,

00:20:51 ◼   ► but I still feel like it's possible

00:20:53 ◼   ► that Apple is going to seriously de-emphasize

00:20:56 ◼   ► their versioning and make it about,

00:21:00 ◼   ► and then, you know, because the versioning is,

00:21:02 ◼   ► I think not very valuable for them for marketing reasons,

00:21:05 ◼   ► It's good to communicate to developers,

00:21:07 ◼   ► but given that all OS updates are free

00:21:10 ◼   ► and they can push out OS updates all the time,

00:21:13 ◼   ► and now they can push out betas for users

00:21:17 ◼   ► as well as developers all the time.

00:21:20 ◼   ► I'm starting to wonder if we will get,

00:21:24 ◼   ► maybe not this year, maybe next year,

00:21:25 ◼   ► to a point where this, I mean, what you said about,

00:21:28 ◼   ► maybe the numbers don't matter,

00:21:30 ◼   ► like that's the point where the numbers really don't matter

00:21:33 ◼   ► 'cause we're not gonna even talk about it anymore.

00:21:35 ◼   ► It's continuously going, we're gonna keep doing releases

00:21:38 ◼   ► and you can expect that there's gonna be

00:21:40 ◼   ► a milestone release that happens

00:21:42 ◼   ► that gets announced at WWDC,

00:21:44 ◼   ► but what it is doesn't matter

00:21:47 ◼   ► because we'll also be doing releases in the fall

00:21:50 ◼   ► and in the winter and in the spring or whatever, right?

00:21:54 ◼   ► So I think that's a question is,

00:21:55 ◼   ► I feel like whether they come out and say it or not,

00:21:58 ◼   ► that this is maybe a direction that they're going

00:22:02 ◼   ► to just more continual development of the OS,

00:22:05 ◼   ► making it less about like, we're gonna make big news.

00:22:08 ◼   ► It's also bad for them.

00:22:09 ◼   ► I think it's terrible.

00:22:11 ◼   ► I know it's necessary because you have to talk

00:22:14 ◼   ► to the developers and everybody,

00:22:15 ◼   ► everything Apple says is covered,

00:22:17 ◼   ► but I'm not sure it's really in Apple's best interest

00:22:20 ◼   ► to tell the public about these awesome features

00:22:23 ◼   ► that aren't available for three months or four months.

00:22:27 ◼   ► Like it's much, people don't,

00:22:30 ◼   ► They'll forget by the time they come out.

00:22:32 ◼   ► And all you'll do is frustrate them.

00:22:34 ◼   ► They're like, "Oh, the iPhone does this thing.

00:22:36 ◼   ► Oh, not yet.

00:22:37 ◼   ► Oh, okay."

00:22:38 ◼   ► So it'll be interesting to see in general.

00:22:40 ◼   ► Apple is, they're steering the ship, right?

00:22:43 ◼   ► And we don't know quite where they're going yet,

00:22:44 ◼   ► but it'll be interesting to see.

00:22:46 ◼   ► And I'm with you.

00:22:48 ◼   ► Thank you for picking the Jason was right pick.

00:22:50 ◼   ► Back OS.

00:22:53 ◼   ► - What's your first pick?

00:22:55 ◼   ► - All right, for my first pick in the WWDC draft,

00:23:00 ◼   ► I've got a bunch of choices here.

00:23:02 ◼   ► So part of the draft strategy is that you wanna pick things

00:23:06 ◼   ► that the other person might pick like you did.

00:23:08 ◼   ► Even if there's something that you like better,

00:23:11 ◼   ► it's not available for you if somebody else picks it.

00:23:13 ◼   ► So I'm gonna go with

00:23:17 ◼   ► iPad multitasking improvements.

00:23:22 ◼   ► - Guess what number that was on my list?

00:23:25 ◼   ► - Two.

00:23:25 ◼   ► too. Ha ha ha. In your face, Harley! You got me, you got me. So, so, so iPad multitasking

00:23:36 ◼   ► improvements, not iPhone multitasking, that one's still on the board, but iPad multitasking.

00:23:45 ◼   ► So last year the iPad got some love from the iOS update for the first time in a long time,

00:23:53 ◼   ► all these multitasking features that are not available on the iPhone, they're only available

00:23:56 ◼   ► on the iPad. And when they announced it, only the iPad Air 2 existed and could support them.

00:24:01 ◼   ► We're like, "Oh, well, okay." And I bought an iPad Air 2 because I wanted to have something

00:24:05 ◼   ► that could run this thing. Well, now we've got an iPad Pro and another iPad Pro. And

00:24:11 ◼   ► even the iPad Mini, the new iPad Mini can do this. But the iPad Pro makes this even

00:24:15 ◼   ► more interesting. But it was a first take last year, so lots of stuff could be better.

00:24:21 ◼   ► the app picker could be better.

00:24:23 ◼   ► The ability to perhaps connect a couple of apps

00:24:27 ◼   ► so that they can run, they're paired together

00:24:30 ◼   ► and they open simultaneously.

00:24:32 ◼   ► Right now, the right side app is always the same

00:24:34 ◼   ► until you manually change it to be something else.

00:24:37 ◼   ► There's no drag and drop,

00:24:39 ◼   ► which is understandable for version one,

00:24:40 ◼   ► but wouldn't it be great if you could drag data

00:24:42 ◼   ► from the left side to the right side or vice versa.

00:24:44 ◼   ► And the ability to possibly either run the same app

00:24:50 ◼   ► into in split screen or update some apps

00:24:55 ◼   ► so that they're essentially running themselves

00:24:57 ◼   ► in split screen, however you wanna cut that,

00:24:58 ◼   ► but like be able to have two Safari windows open at once,

00:25:01 ◼   ► wouldn't that be nice instead of having like fake apps

00:25:04 ◼   ► that fake out Safari just so that you can run them

00:25:07 ◼   ► in the sidebar.

00:25:08 ◼   ► So those are my highlights, but just overall,

00:25:13 ◼   ► I'm gonna say more better multitasking features, please.

00:25:18 ◼   ► - I think the reason that this is for me a sure winner

00:25:23 ◼   ► is the way that iOS and the iPad Pro

00:25:28 ◼   ► has started to make serious inroads

00:25:30 ◼   ► into people doing more work on iOS.

00:25:32 ◼   ► I think that that,

00:25:33 ◼   ► this is something that's definitely out in the press now,

00:25:37 ◼   ► so I think people are focusing on it more,

00:25:39 ◼   ► more and more people are doing this.

00:25:40 ◼   ► Me and you, obviously, and so many of the other people

00:25:43 ◼   ► that we know are using the iPad Pro more and more,

00:25:46 ◼   ► And I believe it is because fundamentally

00:25:49 ◼   ► the changes made to iOS 9 to improve

00:25:52 ◼   ► the iPad's ability to do stuff.

00:25:55 ◼   ► And I think that having it been a year

00:25:58 ◼   ► since people have kind of got to grips

00:26:00 ◼   ► with the way this works, I think that we can so easily

00:26:04 ◼   ► see ways that it should be improved.

00:26:06 ◼   ► I have high hopes that Apple have seen some real

00:26:11 ◼   ► big changes that can be made here.

00:26:13 ◼   ► just to make one thing smoother, you know,

00:26:17 ◼   ► the ability of finding applications

00:26:19 ◼   ► to launch in the split screen should be a lot smoother,

00:26:21 ◼   ► as you say, but also to add additional functionality

00:26:24 ◼   ► like drag and drop and stuff like that.

00:26:26 ◼   ► I think that this is gonna be something

00:26:28 ◼   ► that is gonna end up being a big point here.

00:26:32 ◼   ► I think we're gonna see some really, really great stuff

00:26:34 ◼   ► from iPad multitasking.

00:26:35 ◼   ► So that is a very solid pick, Mr. Snell.

00:26:38 ◼   ► - Thank you.

00:26:38 ◼   ► - My second draft pick, I'm going back to the Mac.

00:26:42 ◼   ► - Oh, good, just like Apple did way back when.

00:26:44 ◼   ► - Exactly, OS X will get Siri support.

00:26:47 ◼   ► - Okay, this is a rumor.

00:26:50 ◼   ► So you're getting some points on the board here

00:26:55 ◼   ► by going with the reported rumor.

00:26:58 ◼   ► So that's all a good draft strategy for the win, yeah.

00:27:02 ◼   ► - Yeah, I'm going for the points here.

00:27:04 ◼   ► But it seems like an obvious one.

00:27:06 ◼   ► I think, I expect that your next pick

00:27:09 ◼   ► will be probably something Siri related.

00:27:11 ◼   ► I think Siri is gonna be one, okay interesting.

00:27:14 ◼   ► I think Siri's gonna be one of the big players

00:27:17 ◼   ► at WWDC this year.

00:27:19 ◼   ► And I think OS X getting Siri support

00:27:21 ◼   ► is gonna be something that happens mainly because

00:27:25 ◼   ► what else are you gonna put in OS X or Mac OS

00:27:28 ◼   ► that you can actually put on the side of a box

00:27:30 ◼   ► if there was such a thing to say that this is what

00:27:33 ◼   ► this OS has and Siri support is one of the last things left

00:27:36 ◼   ► I think for Mac OS to get to make it

00:27:41 ◼   ► as well-rounded as it can be in the Apple ecosystem.

00:27:44 ◼   ► Every other Apple device has it, the Mac does not.

00:27:47 ◼   ► So I think it's time.

00:27:48 ◼   ► - I agree, although, I mean,

00:27:51 ◼   ► so I wrote a thing about this yesterday

00:27:53 ◼   ► on six colors actually about,

00:27:55 ◼   ► we're doing this week are like wish lists of stuff,

00:27:58 ◼   ► Dan and I are for the, for the, for WWC,

00:28:01 ◼   ► we're doing our wish list this week.

00:28:03 ◼   ► And the theme that I came up with actually

00:28:05 ◼   ► for a lot of the Mac improvements

00:28:07 ◼   ► and Siri was the best example

00:28:08 ◼   ► is I want iOS features when they come to the Mac,

00:28:13 ◼   ► I want them to be Mac features.

00:28:16 ◼   ► And this is the question mark I have is,

00:28:18 ◼   ► Siri on the Mac, what is that?

00:28:21 ◼   ► Is it a thing that lives in the menu bar

00:28:23 ◼   ► and in Notification Center and is walled off

00:28:25 ◼   ► from the rest of the system?

00:28:26 ◼   ► Because some of the stuff that they brought to the Mac,

00:28:28 ◼   ► like Find My Friends, for example,

00:28:30 ◼   ► there is no Find My Friends app on the Mac.

00:28:33 ◼   ► You can add a widget to Notification Center,

00:28:35 ◼   ► it lives there, that's it.

00:28:37 ◼   ► It's like, it's just walled off.

00:28:38 ◼   ► It doesn't interact with the Mac in any way.

00:28:40 ◼   ► You can't do anything with it.

00:28:41 ◼   ► You can view it.

00:28:43 ◼   ► It is an iOS feature imported, but walled off,

00:28:47 ◼   ► in a little black box.

00:28:48 ◼   ► So that's my question about Siri is,

00:28:51 ◼   ► is Siri gonna let me do useful things on the Mac

00:28:53 ◼   ► that are like Mac things?

00:28:54 ◼   ► Or is it just gonna be a replication of Siri from iOS

00:28:58 ◼   ► that also is available on my Mac?

00:29:02 ◼   ► Because I'm a lot less excited about it if that's all it is.

00:29:05 ◼   ► I get why they might do it that way.

00:29:07 ◼   ► and it would check the box, but it's like, I can,

00:29:09 ◼   ► and for years have been able to actually on the Mac

00:29:11 ◼   ► for like more than a decade,

00:29:13 ◼   ► for a lot more than a decade,

00:29:14 ◼   ► you've been able to do some rudimentary voice control

00:29:17 ◼   ► on the Mac.

00:29:18 ◼   ► And I'm happy for them to check that out

00:29:19 ◼   ► because it was really rudimentary,

00:29:21 ◼   ► but that voice control stuff let you kick off scripts

00:29:25 ◼   ► and you know, automator actions and stuff like that.

00:29:27 ◼   ► And I want that.

00:29:29 ◼   ► I want the Siri on the Mac to be able to do stuff

00:29:33 ◼   ► with my Mac and interact with the apps on my Mac.

00:29:36 ◼   ► and let me customize things and have them be triggered.

00:29:40 ◼   ► And I think that's an open question

00:29:43 ◼   ► about whether it will do any of those things

00:29:45 ◼   ► that are like fundamentally Mac things,

00:29:47 ◼   ► or whether it's really just gonna be a mirror

00:29:50 ◼   ► of Siri on iOS kind of locked off and on the side,

00:29:53 ◼   ► maybe with some support and a couple of Apple apps.

00:29:56 ◼   ► - I think that if Apple was just going to make

00:30:04 ◼   ► this the basic Siri that we already have and it not be OS X flavored in some way, then

00:30:11 ◼   ► why did they not do it before? You know, it would seem like such a wasted opportunity

00:30:16 ◼   ► and kind of pointless if all you do is just be like, "It can check sports scores. Is

00:30:21 ◼   ► that what you need?" You know, I just feel like it would be a bit of a weird choice,

00:30:29 ◼   ► know unless it gets feature parity with whatever new Siri might come and I'm sure we'll talk

00:30:36 ◼   ► about that in a bit. So you want to pick your next one?

00:30:40 ◼   ► Yeah let's do it. I am going to also shamelessly pick something that's been rumored and therefore

00:30:48 ◼   ► needs to happen and that is a new MacBook Pro.

00:30:53 ◼   ► Ooh interesting. So you're going with the hardware.

00:30:57 ◼   ► Yeah I'm going with the hardware.

00:30:58 ◼   ► there have been people as well like in the last few days saying no hardware.

00:31:04 ◼   ► People always say no hardware at WWDC and sometimes there's no hardware at WWDC. I'll

00:31:07 ◼   ► remind you the last major update to the MacBook Pro, the retina MacBook Pro happened at guess

00:31:14 ◼   ► when WWDC.

00:31:17 ◼   ► Yep, and the Mac Pro right?

00:31:20 ◼   ► But it was like four years ago that the MacBook Pro, I think the retina MacBook Pro came out.

00:31:23 ◼   ► It's been a while. It could get thinner and lighter and faster. Somebody was upset with

00:31:30 ◼   ► me when I said that on Twitter yesterday. They're like, "Oh, but I don't want that terrible

00:31:34 ◼   ► MacBook One keyboard." It's like, "Well, you're not going to get that." None of the rumors

00:31:37 ◼   ► say that. The existence of the Magic Keyboard suggests that even Apple is well aware that

00:31:41 ◼   ► the MacBook keyboard may be a little bit pushing it for their pro users, let's say. But I do

00:31:46 ◼   ► think it could be thinner and lighter and a little more in line with the MacBook and

00:31:50 ◼   ► the MacBook Air in terms of being not as thin as that but thinner and lighter. Thunderbolt

00:31:55 ◼   ► 3 which is also USB-C compatibility. The rumor is that there's that screen, the OLED touchscreen

00:32:08 ◼   ► above the keyboard, that's a rumor too so that might be in there. I'm taking a wait

00:32:14 ◼   ► and see attitude to that. I am skeptical of a touch device on a keyboard because I don't

00:32:20 ◼   ► look at my keyboard most of the time, and so forcing my vision down there is not my

00:32:24 ◼   ► favorite idea, then again it solves the zombie arms problem, right? Which is that Apple firmly

00:32:28 ◼   ► believes nobody should be reaching out and holding their arm out and interacting on a

00:32:33 ◼   ► Mac screen, that the whole idea is that you should be interacting down. There's the two

00:32:38 ◼   ► perpendicular surfaces and they want you down on the keyboard and the mouse, and so if you

00:32:43 ◼   ► put a screen down there, that would be a better place to interact. And I don't think they're

00:32:47 ◼   ► wrong about that. So we'll have to see the details of it, but it's been a while, it's

00:32:52 ◼   ► time for some hardware revisions, and just when you say "oh, but it's a developer conference,"

00:32:59 ◼   ► they, you know, it's always about software announcements because it's not a major product

00:33:04 ◼   ► launch, it's a developer conference. Guess what is a fact about developers? 100% of Apple

00:33:12 ◼   ► platform developers develop on the Mac today,

00:33:15 ◼   ► because you have to use a Mac to develop iOS apps.

00:33:20 ◼   ► You have to, you have to.

00:33:22 ◼   ► So that's a great audience to give pro,

00:33:27 ◼   ► to make a pro announcement to

00:33:28 ◼   ► and have them whoop and holler.

00:33:29 ◼   ► And the time is right.

00:33:30 ◼   ► So I'm gonna throw it out there.

00:33:32 ◼   ► I'm gonna, yes, I will take the risk

00:33:33 ◼   ► that perhaps it won't happen because I think it will.

00:33:36 ◼   ► And I think, and I'm excited about it 'cause it's time.

00:33:39 ◼   ► It's past time.

00:33:40 ◼   ► the Mac Pro and MacBook Pro both are long in the tooth, so I'm gonna say new MacBook

00:33:44 ◼   ► Pros, that's my pick.

00:33:45 ◼   ► I'm fully on board with you, I think we're gonna see new MacBook Pros on Monday. I don't

00:33:50 ◼   ► think they're gonna ship Monday.

00:33:52 ◼   ► No.

00:33:53 ◼   ► I mean, 'cause there's the question of if it does have this new screen in it, if it

00:33:57 ◼   ► does have Touch ID in it, what about OS X, which doesn't support these things?

00:34:03 ◼   ► So they talked about that on ATP a couple weeks ago, and they were way too skeptical

00:34:07 ◼   ► about it because the fact is when new features like the Retina MacBook Pro, in fact, when

00:34:11 ◼   ► new features are rolled out on hardware, there's an interim OS update that supports it and

00:34:16 ◼   ► then there's the proper, you know, and then it has to run that build and then eventually

00:34:20 ◼   ► there's another bug release build that comes after that and then it can run that build

00:34:23 ◼   ► and then eventually the full version comes that fall. But I don't think that would be

00:34:28 ◼   ► if they have a product ready to ship with Touch ID, let's say, it'll ship with a version

00:34:32 ◼   ► of OS X that has the Touch ID stuff in there and that's just how it'll be. They won't hold

00:34:36 ◼   ► that for the fall and hold the hardware, they'll just roll it in. That's how they do it. They've

00:34:41 ◼   ► done that since time immemorial. They've done that. So that's what they'll do. Now they

00:34:46 ◼   ► may do, you're exactly right, this may not even be one of those "it's shipping now" or

00:34:50 ◼   ► "it's shipping Friday" or "it's shipping next Friday." It may be "it starts shipping in

00:34:54 ◼   ► July" or "it starts shipping later this summer." That totally could be the case, because that

00:35:01 ◼   ► product, the existing MacBook Pro is so old that if they have a month even where they're

00:35:07 ◼   ► getting those out the door and the new ones coming in, they'll be fine. They'll be fine.

00:35:12 ◼   ► All right, my next pick then. I'm going all in on Siri now. Siri API.

00:35:19 ◼   ► All right.

00:35:21 ◼   ► Again, another thing long overdue. I think a Siri API is something that we should be

00:35:27 ◼   ► seeing now this you know what was it the was it the iPhone 4s that introduced

00:35:35 ◼   ► Siri yes a long time it's been around and I think that there has been enough

00:35:41 ◼   ► chatter in the right places to suggest that we're gonna see something no I I

00:35:47 ◼   ► have absolutely no idea what this is gonna look like I know what I want it to

00:35:51 ◼   ► look like you know like I want it to just be Siri controlling applications I

00:35:56 ◼   ► developers to have a strong API that they can pick from specific tasks that Siri is able to do.

00:36:01 ◼   ► Right, so start relatively small. I'm reminded of the when multitasking was first introduced,

00:36:07 ◼   ► right? It could do like those six things. I'd be totally fine if Siri could do like a small

00:36:12 ◼   ► subset of things in applications, but they're things that you would really want it to be doing

00:36:17 ◼   ► to start with and then they can build out from there. I have no idea what could happen with

00:36:22 ◼   ► Siri I think there's gonna be big Siri changes that bring the API along with it

00:36:26 ◼   ► and puts it on OS X but I have my fingers crossed I am definitely in the

00:36:32 ◼   ► camp that WWDC 2016 the big thing that comes out of it is Siri 2.0. I hope so I

00:36:40 ◼   ► think for all the reasons detailed previously including on this show I

00:36:45 ◼   ► think we're all waiting for the next leap by Siri and what we've seen is

00:36:49 ◼   ► incremental stuff with Siri.

00:36:51 ◼   ► And they do keep adding features,

00:36:54 ◼   ► but it doesn't feel like Siri is appreciably different

00:36:58 ◼   ► and better than it was when it was introduced.

00:37:00 ◼   ► It's incrementally better, but it needs to up its game.

00:37:05 ◼   ► I think everybody feels that given all the announcements

00:37:06 ◼   ► from Google and what Amazon is doing.

00:37:08 ◼   ► And I hope we see that.

00:37:10 ◼   ► And the API is a part of that, right?

00:37:12 ◼   ► Being able to, one of the great things

00:37:13 ◼   ► about the Amazon service is that it has this out,

00:37:17 ◼   ► It has this hatch that is the external triggers,

00:37:22 ◼   ► they're called skills.

00:37:23 ◼   ► And that's huge because then even if it's not native

00:37:27 ◼   ► and the interactions are not as fresh and friendly

00:37:31 ◼   ► as they are, if they're native to built by Amazon,

00:37:34 ◼   ► you can get out of it and do stuff

00:37:37 ◼   ► and build your own connections.

00:37:40 ◼   ► And that's a huge deal.

00:37:42 ◼   ► So if Siri is able to connect to iOS apps or web services

00:37:46 ◼   ► and basically you've got a third party story for Siri,

00:37:50 ◼   ► I think that could be a huge part

00:37:52 ◼   ► of making it a better product.

00:37:53 ◼   ► - I agree completely.

00:37:55 ◼   ► Jason, you're number three.

00:37:56 ◼   ► - All right, so I'm going to choose,

00:37:58 ◼   ► this is a little bit, again,

00:38:00 ◼   ► you've gotten in my head a little bit

00:38:02 ◼   ► about wanting to win this,

00:38:05 ◼   ► which is making my choices a little bit more practical

00:38:10 ◼   ► and a little less wacky.

00:38:11 ◼   ► I guess I'll save the wacky for later.

00:38:13 ◼   ► - There's a little wacky in this list.

00:38:15 ◼   ► We're gonna get to it.

00:38:16 ◼   ► So with my third pick, I'm gonna pick new 3D Touch actions

00:38:20 ◼   ► and functionality for the iPhone.

00:38:22 ◼   ► Similar to my iPad multitasking argument,

00:38:28 ◼   ► I'm gonna say 3D Touch was introduced last year.

00:38:31 ◼   ► So what we're seeing is a first take on 3D Touch.

00:38:35 ◼   ► And it's been a year and oftentimes the first take

00:38:40 ◼   ► is something you can get out the door that's functional.

00:38:43 ◼   ► I wrote an article about how I thought 3D Touch

00:38:45 ◼   ► and actually Force Touch on the Mac are kind of not quite right that they need

00:38:48 ◼   ► to be a little more central. I hope we see that from Apple, a new kind of

00:38:55 ◼   ► global approach to how you should handle 3D Touch going forward on iOS, but at the

00:39:01 ◼   ► very least what I want is I want to see some forward progress, some new actions.

00:39:06 ◼   ► I want anything that looks like it should reasonably be 3D Touchable should

00:39:11 ◼   ► be. I'm looking at you Control Center, right? Control Center is the one that really kills

00:39:17 ◼   ► me. It's like it's got a whole bunch of little icons there that you should be able to press

00:39:20 ◼   ► on with 3D Touch and get a shortcut to a specific feature of the, you know, of whatever app

00:39:26 ◼   ► is sitting there. And you can't. It just doesn't support those. So 3D Touch in more places,

00:39:32 ◼   ► more functional, more customization, and I'm holding out hope a little broader kind of

00:39:38 ◼   ► that Apple provides themselves and to developers saying here's how we want everybody to treat

00:39:44 ◼   ► 3D touch so that it becomes an integral part of the iPhone experience because it's just

00:39:49 ◼   ► not there yet.

00:39:50 ◼   ► Yeah and it's gonna have to remain iPhone for now.

00:39:53 ◼   ► I'm not in the camp of thinking that 3D touch and long touch should be the same thing.

00:39:57 ◼   ► I think they have to be different things and Apple just needs to work out how they put

00:40:01 ◼   ► it in all their devices.

00:40:03 ◼   ► I think combining those two things doesn't help.

00:40:05 ◼   ► doesn't make it a thing, they may as well have just had right-click long touch a long

00:40:09 ◼   ► time ago, like, but they didn't do that, I think it's right to kind of split them up.

00:40:13 ◼   ► >> Yeah, I think they need to find a gesture that will work on non-3D touch devices that

00:40:20 ◼   ► is the equivalent, and so that everybody can count on it, and 3D touch isn't put in this

00:40:24 ◼   ► sort of sideline of "nice to have, but never essential", and if that's long-press, then

00:40:30 ◼   ► I'm fine with it, because I think that's the problem with, fundamentally with both Force

00:40:34 ◼   ► and 3D Touch is as long as you can't count on it being everywhere and that'll be a long

00:40:40 ◼   ► time if you don't have an equivalent, what you're doing is you're making it optional

00:40:45 ◼   ► and when it's optional it's a lot less useful.

00:40:48 ◼   ► All right, so my next pick is an Apple Music revamp. I think that WWDC is the wrong place

00:40:57 ◼   ► to do this but they did it last time.

00:41:02 ◼   ► Why change now?

00:41:03 ◼   ► Yeah, it's been a year. I don't think they're going to spend a lot of time on it this time.

00:41:07 ◼   ► I think they have a very busy WWDC as it is, but I think we're going to see a few slides

00:41:13 ◼   ► of this is some changes that we're making to Apple Music, and then I think they'll just

00:41:18 ◼   ► move on from there. I don't think we're going to see a lot to it, but I think we are going

00:41:22 ◼   ► to see some news about it.

00:41:23 ◼   ► Okay, yeah, I mean, I would hope so. I'm holding out hope that since it's taking the raps off

00:41:32 ◼   ► of new OS stuff that we may see, yeah, some screenshots of what Apple Music looks like

00:41:39 ◼   ► now. Again, same argument, right? It's sort of like year two. How did you rethink this

00:41:43 ◼   ► now that it's out in the world? What does that look like in iOS? What does that look

00:41:46 ◼   ► like on the Mac? Will we see changes to stuff on the Mac, too? So are you, does this, does

00:41:53 ◼   ► this, Apple Music, is this about the services, is this about the iOS app? What exactly does

00:41:58 ◼   ► this cover? Well I was thinking mainly iOS but I think that it's gonna be some

00:42:04 ◼   ► changes to the service. They might be ready to announce some kind of video

00:42:09 ◼   ► stuff in there because there's more and more of this happening. Didn't they just sign

00:42:15 ◼   ► something for a designer for some fashion coverage or something yesterday?

00:42:19 ◼   ► Right. I think we might start to see some details about how Apple Music is going

00:42:23 ◼   ► to integrate more video content and that might be the end of Kinect because they

00:42:28 ◼   ► need to tap. That detail might get you bonus points depending on what

00:42:32 ◼   ► gets announced so it's good it's good for you to have the bonus points in there.

00:42:36 ◼   ► All right I want to go next. Wow I'm gonna say I'm gonna I'm gonna go out a

00:42:47 ◼   ► little bit out on a limb with this one because I think it will be it's a little

00:42:55 ◼   ► risky but I think I wanna I want to pick it it's developer tools on the iPad Pro

00:43:04 ◼   ► oh that was one of mine in there and I believe very strongly in this one I

00:43:11 ◼   ► don't want to say full Xcode because it may not be but I feel like they've got

00:43:17 ◼   ► an iPad Pro we've been saying for years that you know one of the milestones of a

00:43:23 ◼   ► platform coming into its own, maturing, is that you can develop for the platform on the

00:43:28 ◼   ► platform. And the fact is iOS is not something you can develop on an iOS device. You have

00:43:33 ◼   ► to develop it on a Mac. So I think Apple wants to get there. There have been rumors that

00:43:39 ◼   ► people in Cupertino on the developer tools team have iPad Pros. And with the iPad Pro,

00:43:48 ◼   ► especially the big one, the 12.9,

00:43:51 ◼   ► you could totally develop software on that thing.

00:43:54 ◼   ► So I wanna see that.

00:43:56 ◼   ► Now, maybe what we'll see is a light version

00:43:58 ◼   ► or somebody suggested Swift based,

00:44:01 ◼   ► maybe like playgrounds and things like that,

00:44:03 ◼   ► that's something that's light.

00:44:04 ◼   ► I would like to see Xcode for iPad,

00:44:06 ◼   ► even if it is limited in what it's capable of doing,

00:44:10 ◼   ► I would love to see Xcode on the iPad Pro.

00:44:12 ◼   ► So since this is a developer conference

00:44:15 ◼   ► and I feel like Apple's got the pieces in place now

00:44:17 ◼   ► where it's got devices legitimately powerful enough,

00:44:19 ◼   ► and screens legitimately big enough in the case of the 12.9,

00:44:23 ◼   ► that I think they could do it.

00:44:24 ◼   ► So I wanna see it.

00:44:25 ◼   ► I wanna see developer tools on the iPad Pro.

00:44:28 ◼   ► - I think you're right.

00:44:30 ◼   ► I also think that whatever it is, it will be Swift only.

00:44:34 ◼   ► For like it's a waste of their time and effort

00:44:37 ◼   ► to go with anything else.

00:44:39 ◼   ► This is obviously what Apple believe

00:44:41 ◼   ► is gonna be the future.

00:44:42 ◼   ► If they're building something new,

00:44:44 ◼   ► I think they may as well just go all Swift on it

00:44:45 ◼   ► just wait for people to catch up if they want to.

00:44:50 ◼   ► That works, right? I mean, I think people complain because people complain

00:44:53 ◼   ► about everything, but, you know, but the details, yeah, there

00:44:58 ◼   ► will be some details that will be interesting, but I want it to be,

00:45:01 ◼   ► I want to be there, and I think some, I think there will be an iPad Pro

00:45:05 ◼   ► developer story, so that's how I'm gonna, I'm gonna put it, yeah.

00:45:10 ◼   ► and my last pick in this round will be for a new...

00:45:16 ◼   ► Okay, that's not how drafts work, but okay.

00:45:18 ◼   ► That's... it's a round sponsored by Pingdom.

00:45:21 ◼   ► Yeah, this is... yes, that's true, okay.

00:45:23 ◼   ► Will be a new Apple Watch home screen design.

00:45:27 ◼   ► So, saying goodbye to the honeycomb.

00:45:30 ◼   ► Alright, that was on my top picks list, so good job there. Way to go.

00:45:34 ◼   ► I think that time has proven that that is just bad design.

00:45:39 ◼   ► The tiny icons that spool off into the distance that are impossible to move

00:45:46 ◼   ► around on the device or in the app consistently,

00:45:51 ◼   ► the kind of shrink and grow whilst it looks really good in a demo is incredibly

00:45:58 ◼   ► hard to use.

00:46:01 ◼   ► The icons being so small and being so close to each other makes them incredibly hard to

00:46:06 ◼   ► pick what you're looking for on the run.

00:46:09 ◼   ► I just think that time has shown that that was not the best way to try and display the

00:46:15 ◼   ► type of information Apple's looking to display.

00:46:18 ◼   ► They want to continue with apps, which they definitely do, because that's what people

00:46:23 ◼   ► expect on devices now.

00:46:26 ◼   ► I think that they are going to have to, and they will, do something to change the way

00:46:31 ◼   ► the hub screen looks and is presented.

00:46:34 ◼   ► >> MATT STEVENSON Yeah, yeah.

00:46:36 ◼   ► I fully endorse this.

00:46:38 ◼   ► I think the big—we've broken it up into a few little bits here—but the big question

00:46:46 ◼   ► for the Apple Watch is how proud is Apple of its first conception of the Apple Watch

00:46:54 ◼   ► and the WatchOS?

00:46:56 ◼   ► And how willing is it to, two years almost after they announced it, how willing is it

00:47:02 ◼   ► to accept that it, that they missed, they missed some things.

00:47:07 ◼   ► They didn't get it right outside of the box.

00:47:09 ◼   ► Because I feel very strongly as an Apple watch user, as somebody who uses it every day and

00:47:14 ◼   ► likes it, that there are some things about it that are just wrong, that they blew it.

00:47:19 ◼   ► They didn't know they had this initial, they took a shot.

00:47:22 ◼   ► It didn't work.

00:47:23 ◼   ► The home screen is a good example of it.

00:47:25 ◼   ► terrible. So we'll see. WatchOS 3, right? Like, how much do they rethink the Apple

00:47:32 ◼   ► Watch and how much do they like double down and be like "No, you're gonna get to

00:47:36 ◼   ► like it. You're gonna, you're gonna, the honeycomb, you will embrace the honeycomb."

00:47:40 ◼   ► Right? And I hope they don't. I really hope they don't because that, nothing

00:47:44 ◼   ► would make me less enthusiastic as an Apple Watch user than Apple coming out

00:47:52 ◼   ► at WWDC and saying that they think the Apple Watch is fine.

00:47:56 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:47:57 ◼   ► Because it's not.

00:47:58 ◼   ► Because we, you know, we are on record as really loving these devices, but they are

00:48:02 ◼   ► imperfect as you know, as many things are.

00:48:04 ◼   ► And if, and if Apple doubles down on some of these imperfections, that would be upsetting.

00:48:09 ◼   ► Right.

00:48:10 ◼   ► Fix the problem, fix the things that are getting in the way of your product being great.

00:48:15 ◼   ► Because those of us who believe that it could be great and that hardware is not the only

00:48:19 ◼   ► problem here, the software and some of the interface conceptions just are in the way

00:48:24 ◼   ► of the product. We'll see. I mean, that's about personalities, right? I don't think

00:48:29 ◼   ► that's even about technical capability. That's like, are you willing to change some of your

00:48:32 ◼   ► assumptions from two years ago about the Apple Watch? We'll see. But I really hope you're

00:48:37 ◼   ► right about this one, Ethan, if it gives you points. And I'm going to sit in that keynote

00:48:42 ◼   ► now and I'm going to be like, "Oh, that's a mic choice. Boo, boo, boo."

00:48:45 ◼   ► - They'll announce the Siri API

00:48:47 ◼   ► and you'll hear one man going, "Boo!"

00:48:50 ◼   ► - Boo!

00:48:51 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:48:52 ◼   ► - Everyone turns to you, it's like, "Myke picked it."

00:48:55 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's right.

00:48:55 ◼   ► I thought I was hoping that would be a...

00:48:57 ◼   ► Boy, yeah, it's gonna be a big,

00:48:59 ◼   ► all those Siri announcements

00:49:00 ◼   ► are gonna be big point totals for you.

00:49:01 ◼   ► But yeah, we'll see.

00:49:02 ◼   ► All right.

00:49:03 ◼   ► It's my turn.

00:49:05 ◼   ► And so with the last pick of this first cycle,

00:49:09 ◼   ► I am going, these are all big.

00:49:10 ◼   ► - I love how much you hate

00:49:12 ◼   ► that I'm rewriting the rules of drafting here.

00:49:14 ◼   ► - Yeah, this is Myke, Myke drafts are not.

00:49:17 ◼   ► - They're not canonical drafts.

00:49:19 ◼   ► - Non-canonical drafts, exactly right.

00:49:21 ◼   ► Okay, so I don't want you to make a complete run

00:49:28 ◼   ► on Siri related things,

00:49:30 ◼   ► 'cause I don't wanna be the guy who's booing

00:49:32 ◼   ► during the entire Siri section.

00:49:35 ◼   ► So I'm gonna take a page from that Macworld piece

00:49:37 ◼   ► that I wrote, speculative Macworld piece

00:49:39 ◼   ► I wrote a couple of months ago,

00:49:40 ◼   ► and say Apple's gonna announce the Siri speaker

00:49:44 ◼   ► or something like it, a piece of hardware

00:49:47 ◼   ► with Siri integrated that sits somewhere in your house

00:49:50 ◼   ► and listens to what you have to say

00:49:52 ◼   ► and talks back to you and plays music and stuff like that.

00:49:55 ◼   ► I'm gonna put that down, a hardware announcement

00:49:59 ◼   ► for a Siri related product.

00:50:00 ◼   ► Now, my hesitation here is this sounds like a fall product,

00:50:04 ◼   ► not a summer product and not a WWDC product.

00:50:08 ◼   ► but I just, I want in on the Siri bandwagon.

00:50:11 ◼   ► So I'm gonna put a chip down on the Siri speaker

00:50:16 ◼   ► just in case that this is, 'cause Amazon's got theirs,

00:50:20 ◼   ► Google has announced theirs.

00:50:22 ◼   ► Does Apple come out and say, yes, us too,

00:50:25 ◼   ► rather than spend the entire summer,

00:50:27 ◼   ► even if it doesn't ship until the fall,

00:50:29 ◼   ► rather than spend the entire summer hearing how,

00:50:33 ◼   ► oh, Apple's gotta come up with a strategy for this

00:50:35 ◼   ► 'cause Google's coming out with their thing

00:50:37 ◼   ► and Amazon's already out there, where is Apple?

00:50:40 ◼   ► That's not necessarily a great reason to introduce a product,

00:50:42 ◼   ► but some stranger things have happened.

00:50:44 ◼   ► So I'm gonna throw it out there, the Siri speaker.

00:50:47 ◼   ► - This is one that I've really considered as a wild card.

00:50:50 ◼   ► I believe maybe that something like this will exist.

00:50:53 ◼   ► I'm not entirely convinced.

00:50:55 ◼   ► - There could be a developer story here too.

00:50:57 ◼   ► I mean, the way that I get this into the AWDC keynote

00:51:00 ◼   ► is that it's part of the API discussion.

00:51:02 ◼   ► - Yeah, for sure.

00:51:04 ◼   ► - You need to not assume

00:51:05 ◼   ► that you're gonna have a screen to display on.

00:51:08 ◼   ► And your APIs that you build will not just be

00:51:11 ◼   ► for the iPhone and the Apple TV,

00:51:12 ◼   ► it will also be for this thing.

00:51:14 ◼   ► And part of that larger Siri 2.0 discussion.

00:51:19 ◼   ► That's my theory.

00:51:20 ◼   ► - We'll say, I think that this product might exist.

00:51:25 ◼   ► I don't feel like it's gonna be now.

00:51:27 ◼   ► I feel like it's too soon, but I'm willing to be wrong

00:51:31 ◼   ► because I am becoming increasingly interested

00:51:34 ◼   ► in these products.

00:51:35 ◼   ► I'm just waiting for one of them to be announced in my country.

00:51:38 ◼   ► - They could also decide that it's, well, yeah,

00:51:42 ◼   ► I mean, that's one of the great advantages

00:51:43 ◼   ► of what Apple's doing is that they would be able

00:51:45 ◼   ► to hit way more countries with this presumably over time

00:51:48 ◼   ► because they're much better at international.

00:51:51 ◼   ► Yeah, well, I mean, and they're really better at Google

00:51:53 ◼   ► at this, I think too, but--

00:51:55 ◼   ► - For sure they are, but like Google's better than Amazon.

00:51:58 ◼   ► - That is, everybody is better than Amazon.

00:52:01 ◼   ► So we may see it, the only other hesitation I've got is

00:52:05 ◼   ► And this is some of this is my own hope which is they could do a thing where they do

00:52:10 ◼   ► licensing thing and let third-party speaker manufacturers integrate Siri and I hope they don't honestly because

00:52:20 ◼   ► It won't go well

00:52:23 ◼   ► And it will still be slow and we seem like with homekit like is this even a thing that people want to do so

00:52:30 ◼   ► That's also a possibility but given that they bought beats

00:52:34 ◼   ► beats and given Apple's history and really wanting to make awesome speaker products like

00:52:40 ◼   ► that old iPod Hi-Fi.

00:52:42 ◼   ► You know this is the first time that I've ever thought about beats in the speaker discussion

00:52:47 ◼   ► and it makes a heck of a lot more sense. Beats know how to make speakers.

00:52:52 ◼   ► Right? Yeah. So maybe a Siri speaker. Maybe even an Apple Beats speaker.

00:52:59 ◼   ► Yeah, see I don't think they will call it the Siri speaker. I think it will be a product

00:53:04 ◼   ► that has Siri built into it, but it's also going to be focused around music quite heavily.

00:53:08 ◼   ► I made the prediction, Jason, you may have not heard the episode yet on Connected, I

00:53:13 ◼   ► want to just throw it out there that this product will be called iPod.

00:53:16 ◼   ► Oh, that's nice. The new iPod, that would be great. That's a great name for it. I love

00:53:22 ◼   ► the idea of reusing names for things that have some cachet but can't be used for what

00:53:28 ◼   ► they were anymore, so that would be great. I do think, you know, the guys, they kind

00:53:32 ◼   ► of laughed a little bit and then I kind of talked them around a little bit. It feels

00:53:38 ◼   ► unlikely based on Apple's current trends of naming, but the iPod has such great brand

00:53:44 ◼   ► recognition I think it would be interesting to bring it back.

00:53:47 ◼   ► Especially if it's about music and it lives in your home. That's pretty great.

00:53:52 ◼   ► So we'll see. Okay, so that's the first round of picks. The second round of picks is brought

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00:56:25 ◼   ► Alright Jason, next up. I'm going to pick native watch apps.

00:56:30 ◼   ► Okay, don't we already have native watch apps? Explain what you mean by this.

00:56:34 ◼   ► So this will be an Apple Watch app that works completely independently of an iPhone. So

00:56:41 ◼   ► if there is no connection, it is able to do stuff. The way that the watch apps are working

00:56:47 ◼   ► right now is there's still a lot of data transfer being made between the phone and the watch,

00:56:52 ◼   ► right? So like, for example, if I want to add something to OmniFocus, it gets really

00:56:57 ◼   ► upset if it can't connect to my phone. So these will be apps that will run fast and

00:57:02 ◼   ► they will be able to collect data and you'll be able to do stuff with them without a phone

00:57:06 ◼   ► being around. Okay, I'll give you that, although, like I said, WatchOS 2 did allow watch apps

00:57:12 ◼   ► to pull data over Wi-Fi when they're not near their phone.

00:57:16 ◼   ► It doesn't work very well.

00:57:17 ◼   ► Well, okay, so that's why I'm going to give you this and I'm going to give you kind of,

00:57:21 ◼   ► I think, the catch-all category of like watch apps having more abilities to be away from

00:57:27 ◼   ► their iPhone, right?

00:57:28 ◼   ► There's like better--

00:57:29 ◼   ► Yeah, I should have clarified, that's a better clarification of that for sure, because as

00:57:31 ◼   ► you say, there are parts of it, but I don't know if this is a hardware thing or a software

00:57:36 ◼   ► thing, but they really don't feel like they're doing anything.

00:57:40 ◼   ► You know, very frequently I'll hit a button and it's like, it registers the animation,

00:57:44 ◼   ► but nothing happens. So I'm hoping to see some more in there.

00:57:48 ◼   ► Yeah, okay. I mean, really, any watch improvements would be welcome. So in fact, I'm going to

00:57:56 ◼   ► stick with the Apple Watch thing. I'm going to do it. And I'm going to do it. I know this

00:58:03 ◼   ► This is esoteric, but this is what I'm going to do.

00:58:08 ◼   ► My pick is the behavior of the button, the friends button on the Apple Watch will be

00:58:18 ◼   ► altered.

00:58:19 ◼   ► That's my choice.

00:58:21 ◼   ► Changing the behavior of the friends button because it's dumb.

00:58:25 ◼   ► Back to our previous conversation.

00:58:28 ◼   ► is the button on the Apple Watch and I never use it because all it brings up is a little

00:58:33 ◼   ► screen with a bunch of faces on it that I can send like quick messages to and that's

00:58:37 ◼   ► not how I use my Apple Watch. So I'm not saying that they won't completely abandon it, although

00:58:41 ◼   ► they should completely abandon that approach, but I would like it at the very least for

00:58:46 ◼   ► them to say, "Oh, now you can choose what the button does." It can do all of these other

00:58:50 ◼   ► different useful things that are way more useful in showing the ring of faces when you

00:58:55 ◼   ► press the button. The moment they announced that what the button did I thought that was

00:59:00 ◼   ► a terrible idea and more than a year of using the Apple watch has not changed my opinion

00:59:05 ◼   ► one bit. It's dumb.

00:59:09 ◼   ► I think that it is a significant thing if they do it because you know the the digital

00:59:16 ◼   ► touch was one of the key features of the Apple watch. So taking it away from that button

00:59:22 ◼   ► will again show a understanding maybe of the way people are using it. I can't imagine many

00:59:28 ◼   ► people are using the digital touch stuff really. You know like me and my girlfriend both have

00:59:34 ◼   ► Apple watches and we use it very infrequently and she's the only person in my list of like

00:59:39 ◼   ► 12 people or my multiple lists of 12 people that I can have that I do this stuff with

00:59:44 ◼   ► any seriousness at all. Yeah I would be very surprised if uh... Again this is one though

00:59:52 ◼   ► that I can see them potentially doubling down on if they can make it better. So imagine

00:59:58 ◼   ► if the digital touch stuff now allowed for walkie talkie type stuff. That might be kind

01:00:04 ◼   ► of cool, you know, and you could use the button in that kind of way. If they doubled down

01:00:10 ◼   ► on the friend stuff and made it more compelling, then I would maybe be more okay with them

01:00:15 ◼   ► leaving the button behaviour as it is, rather than, you know, as I wouldn't be okay with

01:00:20 ◼   ► them doubling down on the honeycomb. Alright. Alright, next up, I am going to go with a

01:00:26 ◼   ► new Mac Pro. Alright. Following the exact same guidance as your thought about what the

01:00:34 ◼   ► MacBook Pro would look like and why it would be on stage. I think that we will see a Mac

01:00:40 ◼   ► Pro update. I think it will be a slide after they've announced the MacBook Pro. Right,

01:00:45 ◼   ► they would put up a slide and say "and also we have a new Mac Pro today, it has this,

01:00:48 ◼   ► this and this, moving on. That's all I think it's going to get, but I think they'll do

01:00:52 ◼   ► it there because if you want to get a cheer from, you know, from any audience about the

01:00:59 ◼   ► Mac Pro being updated, it's the only one you're going to get it from.

01:01:02 ◼   ► Oh yeah, I know, exactly right. If you want to do it as something other than a press release,

01:01:07 ◼   ► this is the audience, and again, they announced it at WWDC, so why not? Okay, I'm going to

01:01:15 ◼   ► go, "I'm not entirely convinced this is a feature that will be good, but I feel like

01:01:20 ◼   ► they're probably going to do it, especially since we've seen Google announce it as well,

01:01:23 ◼   ► which is bring multitasking to the iPhone." And if you saw that Google I/O keynote, they

01:01:30 ◼   ► showed the split screen on a big Android phone with two apps running top and bottom, and

01:01:35 ◼   ► I thought, "Okay, what happens when you slide up the keyboard?" Like, the keyboard is the

01:01:40 ◼   ► size of the app, but that said, you have big phones like the iPhone 6s Plus, #mikewasright.

01:01:48 ◼   ► Is there a way for Apple to make multitasking somehow useful for people with especially

01:01:54 ◼   ► the big phones, since they've already built it into the OS for the iPad? Would they allow

01:02:00 ◼   ► that? Whether it's something like a split screen or something like a virtual screen

01:02:03 ◼   ► where you've got it peaking it and you sort of like slide them up and down to get the

01:02:07 ◼   ► quick access to them, or when the keyboard slides in, it slides the one that's not active

01:02:13 ◼   ► off the screen temporarily while you type. Or even something like SlideOver might be

01:02:17 ◼   ► useful on a phone, where you could very quickly flip into this thing that you've kept pinned

01:02:23 ◼   ► to the side, look at something and then flip it back out, which is different and distinct,

01:02:27 ◼   ► I think, from regular multitasking switcher. You're somebody with an iPhone 6S Plus. What

01:02:33 ◼   ► What do you think? Is this a possibility and, and, or is it dumb?

01:02:37 ◼   ► One of the reasons I think it's possible is the landscape mode on the Plus.

01:02:43 ◼   ► Oh! Hmm.

01:02:44 ◼   ► 'Cause you kind of need a landscape mode for this to work, and so this is something that

01:02:49 ◼   ► they actually built into the next version, you know, the developer preview of N, Android

01:02:55 ◼   ► N. Android didn't have a landscape mode, but when you enter into multitasking mode and

01:03:00 ◼   ► go to your home screen it will show it in landscape but it doesn't do that if you're

01:03:04 ◼   ► not in multitasking mode. If you turn your phone on the side it doesn't change things

01:03:07 ◼   ► into landscape. So it needs a landscape mode kind of fundamentally for it to work because

01:03:13 ◼   ► I think I've played around with this in N and really it works best when you're in multitasking

01:03:18 ◼   ► sorry when you're in landscape because you get to see the majority of the applications

01:03:22 ◼   ► right information side by side. I do want this feature not to do serious work on but

01:03:28 ◼   ► for little things. So like a couple of days ago I got an email from someone who needed

01:03:32 ◼   ► me to check a date for something, but it was like three dates that I needed to give them

01:03:37 ◼   ► and it was annoying me to jump backwards and forwards between apps. I would have loved

01:03:41 ◼   ► to have just very quickly brought up Chrome that I could check the date of the thing and

01:03:44 ◼   ► just type them into the email, boom boom boom, like I do on my iPad. I wanted that. I don't

01:03:49 ◼   ► want to run my phone in that all the time, but for the quick things that I need to check,

01:03:53 ◼   ► it would be really useful.

01:03:56 ◼   ► Alright. What's your pick?

01:04:00 ◼   ► So following on from the Mac Pro, I think if they introduce a new Mac Pro and a new

01:04:06 ◼   ► MacBook Pro, they will for sure have an external Retina display to go along with it.

01:04:13 ◼   ► Huh. Bold prediction. Bold prediction. There's been a lot of speculation about it and then

01:04:19 ◼   ► I think the ATP tipster said, "No, it's not gonna be there." But I feel like you're right

01:04:25 ◼   ► that you want to see them as a package.

01:04:29 ◼   ► You want to be able to say, look, hey professionals,

01:04:31 ◼   ► you have these professional devices,

01:04:33 ◼   ► and yes, you will have an external display,

01:04:35 ◼   ► a big external display that you can connect.

01:04:40 ◼   ► The Thunderbolt display is going out of stock,

01:04:43 ◼   ► and it's very old.

01:04:45 ◼   ► And there was a rumor that I thought was fairly credible

01:04:48 ◼   ► about this idea that what you do is you put a GPU

01:04:50 ◼   ► in the display, which is kind of in line

01:04:52 ◼   ► with the Thunderbolt display,

01:04:53 ◼   ► which had a lot of electronics in it.

01:04:55 ◼   ► It was kind of a computer on its own.

01:04:58 ◼   ► And that if you put the GPU in the display,

01:05:00 ◼   ► you could connect via Thunderbolt 3

01:05:02 ◼   ► and it would be able to drive like a 27 inch,

01:05:06 ◼   ► like a 5K display.

01:05:07 ◼   ► So it's possible that they could make this work

01:05:09 ◼   ► without having to wait for the next version of DisplayPort

01:05:12 ◼   ► at the end of next year,

01:05:14 ◼   ► which I don't think Apple wants to wait.

01:05:16 ◼   ► So I think the real question is,

01:05:18 ◼   ► does this happen at WWDC or later on in 2016?

01:05:23 ◼   ► And it's an open question, but again,

01:05:26 ◼   ► if you're gonna do it,

01:05:27 ◼   ► you're not gonna cannibalize any sales.

01:05:29 ◼   ► Say that you're gonna do it, even if it's just,

01:05:32 ◼   ► and yes, you will be able to connect this

01:05:34 ◼   ► to a beautiful brand new 27 inch 5K display

01:05:37 ◼   ► that Apple is shipping this fall.

01:05:40 ◼   ► And even if all they said was that,

01:05:42 ◼   ► I think that that would be fine.

01:05:43 ◼   ► And people would lose their minds

01:05:46 ◼   ► and we would come back to it in the fall.

01:05:48 ◼   ► - Just to know it's coming.

01:05:49 ◼   ► I mean, my feeling is like,

01:05:51 ◼   ► I don't know if they're gonna do this,

01:05:52 ◼   ► But if I'm going with the fact that there's a new Mac Pro,

01:05:55 ◼   ► I'm going with this as well,

01:05:56 ◼   ► because I think they have to announce those two things

01:05:59 ◼   ► together in my mind.

01:06:00 ◼   ► I just think that it would naturally go together

01:06:02 ◼   ► because this new Mac Pro should in theory have the support

01:06:06 ◼   ► for whatever this display will eventually be.

01:06:08 ◼   ► So you may as well announce them together.

01:06:10 ◼   ► - Yeah, I think I can buy that.

01:06:13 ◼   ► I can buy that.

01:06:14 ◼   ► All right, for my pick in what is what the eighth round

01:06:17 ◼   ► of this draft, I'm going to pick something

01:06:21 ◼   ► that is totally just a way for me to collect some points.

01:06:23 ◼   ► We've seen with the Safari developer preview

01:06:25 ◼   ► that Apple is really working on a lot of WebKit features.

01:06:29 ◼   ► The WebKit team is sort of open about the fact

01:06:31 ◼   ► that they're working on some other features

01:06:32 ◼   ► that haven't appeared in the preview yet,

01:06:35 ◼   ► or the technical preview, I guess it's called,

01:06:38 ◼   ► technology preview, STP.

01:06:41 ◼   ► And so I think there will be a Safari/WebKits,

01:06:45 ◼   ► at least a slide on stage

01:06:48 ◼   ► that will talk about all the awesome things they're doing

01:06:50 ◼   ► to update Safari, and including the stuff

01:06:54 ◼   ► that's in the technology preview as some stuff

01:06:56 ◼   ► that has not yet made it into the technology preview.

01:06:59 ◼   ► Of interest to podcasters, I think they will announce

01:07:03 ◼   ► that they're gonna support WebRTC,

01:07:05 ◼   ► and that would be WebKit, so that'll be iOS and Mac.

01:07:08 ◼   ► And what that would mean is like all these web-based tools

01:07:10 ◼   ► that let you do podcasting that record remotely,

01:07:13 ◼   ► like CAST, will work on iOS once that is implemented.

01:07:20 ◼   ► So I'm gonna throw that out there,

01:07:21 ◼   ► that like a bunch of WebKit updates, including WebRTC,

01:07:25 ◼   ► in the next version of iOS and OS X,

01:07:29 ◼   ► Mac OS, whatever it's called.

01:07:31 ◼   ► - I feel like this is one of those things

01:07:34 ◼   ► they can just put with Mac OS

01:07:36 ◼   ► because it gives them some features, right?

01:07:38 ◼   ► That they can say, "Here's some stuff we're doing

01:07:40 ◼   ► with Mac OS," and then maybe they can like lead

01:07:42 ◼   ► into iOS from that, but like it gives them a point

01:07:45 ◼   ► on the slide when it comes to Mac OS.

01:07:47 ◼   ► - And as a developer, yeah, as a developer conference too,

01:07:49 ◼   ► just let them saying, "Hey, we did the Safari Technology Preview, there are a lot of amazing

01:07:53 ◼   ► things. If you're a web developer, look at all these amazing things that we're going

01:07:55 ◼   ► to have. You can follow along. We're announcing today that these other features are going

01:07:59 ◼   ► to be in the build of the Technology Preview that comes out today and they'll all be in

01:08:03 ◼   ► the OS this fall." And something like that.

01:08:06 ◼   ► - It was like a couple of years ago when they kept talking about the DOM, which made no

01:08:10 ◼   ► sense to me at all. I had no idea what the DOM was, but everyone was really excited about

01:08:14 ◼   ► the fact that you could do things with the DOM.

01:08:16 ◼   ► - Woo! DOM!

01:08:17 ◼   ► - You know?

01:08:18 ◼   ► or Deloise. Either way, it sounds great.

01:08:20 ◼   ► - All right, so next up for me, and I'm taking one from you,

01:08:24 ◼   ► major Mac App Store changes.

01:08:26 ◼   ► - Okay. Lay it on me.

01:08:28 ◼   ► - The Mac App Store is a disaster.

01:08:30 ◼   ► I'm not the first person to realize this.

01:08:32 ◼   ► - No. - It is something

01:08:34 ◼   ► that has had absolutely no love

01:08:37 ◼   ► from a design perspective even since it came out.

01:08:40 ◼   ► It looks old, it looks weird,

01:08:42 ◼   ► it does very strange things.

01:08:44 ◼   ► Major developers are not going anywhere near it

01:08:47 ◼   ► it and or leaving it, something needs to change. I don't know what it would be. I don't know

01:08:52 ◼   ► if major Mac App Store changes means just they're going to just change the way it looks

01:08:57 ◼   ► and feels to use to maybe make it more useful. Maybe they bake it even deeper into the OS

01:09:02 ◼   ► in some way, or maybe they change how it works from a technical perspective and make sandboxing

01:09:08 ◼   ► more friendly, or they just make the business proposition nicer on the Mac App Store. Maybe

01:09:13 ◼   ► Mac App Store upgrades. Maybe they put it there to try and bring some people back.

01:09:18 ◼   ► I don't know what it might be, but I just feel like the Mac App Store is going to get

01:09:22 ◼   ► some time on stage to announce some kind of fundamental changes to the way it looks, feels,

01:09:29 ◼   ► or is approached to by developers.

01:09:33 ◼   ► This will be the first time we've seen Apple at WWDC since the... Well, we've seen, you

01:09:42 ◼   ► know, there was that story about Phil Schiller taking over some responsibilities for app

01:09:46 ◼   ► stores, and we've seen the app review times lower and stuff like that. So there's probably

01:09:51 ◼   ► a story coming from Apple that is, "Look, we're making changes. We've listened and we're

01:09:57 ◼   ► making changes, and you've already seen it with the app review. Whoa, big applause line

01:10:01 ◼   ► there, and here's some other things that are going on." My hope is that one of the major

01:10:05 ◼   ► Mac app store changes is absolutely like, "We're going to loosen this way up because

01:10:10 ◼   ► we want the Mac App Store to be thriving and there's too much good stuff that's not in

01:10:15 ◼   ► the store yet and we want you all in the store with your Mac apps. So we're dropping the

01:10:20 ◼   ► requirements for this and that. And you'll still need to be approved and we'll still

01:10:24 ◼   ► need to make sure that you're not doing something that's bad, but we're no longer going to lock

01:10:28 ◼   ► you out if you, whatever. And maybe there's going to be a way for you to have an installer

01:10:34 ◼   ► and the way your installer will work within the Mac App Store is people will open it and

01:10:39 ◼   ► then the Mac App Store app will run the installer itself and walk people through what's going

01:10:43 ◼   ► to happen, or an uninstaller that does the same thing. I mean, whatever, however deep

01:10:47 ◼   ► this goes, I don't know, but I would love to see that, where Phil Schiller stands on

01:10:52 ◼   ► stage and says, "Bottom line, we want you all in the Mac App Store. Here's how we're

01:10:56 ◼   ► going to make it possible for you to be in there, because there aren't enough of you

01:11:01 ◼   ► in there just now."

01:11:03 ◼   ► I don't know if they just say, "To hell with sandboxing?"

01:11:08 ◼   ► I don't know what you do, but maybe.

01:11:12 ◼   ► - I would.

01:11:12 ◼   ► - Because you can still install OS X applications

01:11:16 ◼   ► as easy as you ever could.

01:11:18 ◼   ► So I don't know if it's necessary.

01:11:20 ◼   ► Many people might disagree with me.

01:11:21 ◼   ► Many people will probably agree with me.

01:11:23 ◼   ► I don't know, but I feel like that wouldn't be

01:11:25 ◼   ► the worst thing to do.

01:11:27 ◼   ► - Yeah, I know.

01:11:28 ◼   ► It's like we're doing it right in the Mac App Store

01:11:30 ◼   ► and we're doing it so right that nobody uses it.

01:11:32 ◼   ► - Yeah. - Well, great.

01:11:33 ◼   ► Good for you.

01:11:34 ◼   ► Good for you.

01:11:35 ◼   ► I think-- - We've got our great

01:11:36 ◼   ► little place here where we don't even observe the rules.

01:11:38 ◼   ► - So, and you could spin this a couple of ways.

01:11:40 ◼   ► I would say you could spin this as we are,

01:11:43 ◼   ► we are really going, doubling down on the Mac App Store.

01:11:47 ◼   ► We're gonna make so everything can get in the Mac App Store.

01:11:50 ◼   ► You could also spin it the other way,

01:11:51 ◼   ► which is we are giving up on the Mac App Store.

01:11:53 ◼   ► The super curated approach totally failed.

01:11:56 ◼   ► And so we're gonna open it up.

01:11:58 ◼   ► But either way, they should do it.

01:12:00 ◼   ► - Yep.

01:12:01 ◼   ► - Yep, most definitely.

01:12:02 ◼   ► - All right, for my choice in the ninth round,

01:12:08 ◼   ► I'm going to pick from iOS a customizable control center.

01:12:13 ◼   ► - Nice pick.

01:12:14 ◼   ► - Control center needs to make some changes.

01:12:16 ◼   ► It's the thing you flip up from the bottom of the screen.

01:12:18 ◼   ► I mentioned 3D touch earlier.

01:12:20 ◼   ► The ability to choose some things,

01:12:23 ◼   ► even if they're all system-based.

01:12:26 ◼   ► It would be great if third-party apps

01:12:27 ◼   ► could provide things that go in the,

01:12:29 ◼   ► you know, that are optional for the control center,

01:12:32 ◼   ► that would be really great.

01:12:33 ◼   ► But even if it's customizable, especially on iPads,

01:12:36 ◼   ► there's a lot of room down there and not a lot of choices.

01:12:40 ◼   ► I would love to be able to have some other functionality

01:12:43 ◼   ► that you can toggle quickly from there,

01:12:48 ◼   ► because sometimes, you know,

01:12:49 ◼   ► some people don't use some of those buttons.

01:12:51 ◼   ► They're like, "I'm never gonna flip it open

01:12:53 ◼   ► "and tap on the calculator,

01:12:54 ◼   ► "so could I replace that with something else?"

01:12:57 ◼   ► That would be great.

01:12:58 ◼   ► it's something that's just from a predefined list of eight things that Apple will do, will

01:13:03 ◼   ► offer you, or whether it also includes something that third-party app providers can provide.

01:13:09 ◼   ► But regardless, I like Control Center. I use it all the time, and I would like it to be

01:13:14 ◼   ► more functional.

01:13:15 ◼   ► I couldn't agree more. I would love to be able to change some stuff. One of my favorite

01:13:20 ◼   ► things about Android, they have this stuff in the notification shade, and you can move

01:13:25 ◼   ► things around in there now. I mean it's in the new version, it's in the developer

01:13:28 ◼   ► version, like in the beta version of N, but you can customize what goes in there, you

01:13:33 ◼   ► can move things around to your own order, and there's some great stuff that you can

01:13:36 ◼   ► choose from. I would love to be able to see some of that. Like for example, I very, very

01:13:41 ◼   ► rarely need to turn Bluetooth on and off. Now I have the Apple Watch who turns Bluetooth

01:13:45 ◼   ► on and off. If you're an Apple Watch user, you do not need that there, because you need

01:13:50 ◼   ► it on all the time.

01:13:51 ◼   ► Right, but you may be somebody who has a corporate VPN and needs to toggle their VPN on and off,

01:13:56 ◼   ► and you can't do that from Control Center.

01:13:57 ◼   ► Exactly.

01:13:58 ◼   ► Or, for example, something I cannot believe is not in there, is Low Power Mode.

01:14:03 ◼   ► I just cannot believe that Low Power Mode is not in Control Center.

01:14:06 ◼   ► I flick up Control Center every single time thinking that it's there, even though I know

01:14:11 ◼   ► it's not.

01:14:14 ◼   ► The question also about, like, I was doing a presentation at a user group, and one of

01:14:18 ◼   ► of the things I did was like, it was like secrets

01:14:20 ◼   ► of the Mac menu bar.

01:14:21 ◼   ► And one of them is, you know, menu bar items,

01:14:23 ◼   ► you hold down the option key

01:14:24 ◼   ► and you get all these extra things.

01:14:25 ◼   ► And I thought about that for, for control center,

01:14:27 ◼   ► the idea that maybe 3D touch,

01:14:29 ◼   ► or maybe it's a touch and hold or whatever,

01:14:30 ◼   ► but the idea that you could, you know,

01:14:32 ◼   ► if you go on the Bluetooth item,

01:14:34 ◼   ► if you want to keep it there,

01:14:35 ◼   ► it's not just a Bluetooth toggle,

01:14:36 ◼   ► it lets you pick a device and connect to it,

01:14:38 ◼   ► or pick a wifi base station and connect to it.

01:14:41 ◼   ► How about that?

01:14:42 ◼   ► Wouldn't that be a nice feature?

01:14:43 ◼   ► But you know, right now it's just, it's, it's too dumb.

01:14:46 ◼   ► So make it smarter.

01:14:48 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:14:48 ◼   ► - My next pick is iOS software keyboard improvements.

01:14:53 ◼   ► And this is a few different things here.

01:14:56 ◼   ► - Okay.

01:14:57 ◼   ► - I would like to see more layouts in the software keyboard

01:15:00 ◼   ► on the large iPad Pro.

01:15:01 ◼   ► I want to see the international layouts promised to us.

01:15:04 ◼   ► And I also want to see the third party keyboards

01:15:08 ◼   ► become like actual keyboards.

01:15:10 ◼   ► You know, I want the switching to be better.

01:15:13 ◼   ► I would love to see them be able to perform a lot better.

01:15:16 ◼   ► I just want to see that really kind of pick up now.

01:15:20 ◼   ► We're a couple of years into this

01:15:22 ◼   ► and nothing has really significantly changed

01:15:26 ◼   ► to try and make these keyboards stronger.

01:15:29 ◼   ► You know, you've got stuff like Gboard,

01:15:31 ◼   ► which people really love.

01:15:32 ◼   ► I can't use because Google is, as you mentioned,

01:15:35 ◼   ► not so great about outside of the US at times.

01:15:38 ◼   ► But I want to see people being able to use these keyboards

01:15:44 ◼   ► as their main keyboards without having a nightmare

01:15:46 ◼   ► trying to switch backwards and forwards. Why can't I turn off the standard one?

01:15:51 ◼   ► Why does that always have to be enabled? I understand that like they want to

01:15:55 ◼   ► enable it for security when you're entering passwords, but just show a

01:15:58 ◼   ► specific password-owning keyboard. Let me choose between SwiftKey and the emoji

01:16:02 ◼   ► one, and just let me leave it at that. Like if I want to choose a third party one,

01:16:05 ◼   ► stop giving me the first party one. I really want to see some changes there.

01:16:09 ◼   ► I will throw in a couple that I want. I want a distinct set of settings for

01:16:15 ◼   ► hardware and software keyboards.

01:16:18 ◼   ► Because when I'm typing on a hardware keyboard,

01:16:20 ◼   ► I do not want auto-capitalization.

01:16:23 ◼   ► I do not want auto-correct,

01:16:24 ◼   ► because it incorrects my correct typing,

01:16:29 ◼   ► and it's infuriating.

01:16:30 ◼   ► So then I go and turn it off,

01:16:31 ◼   ► and then I'm sitting with my iPad in my lap

01:16:34 ◼   ► using the software keyboard,

01:16:35 ◼   ► - And just looks gibberish.

01:16:36 ◼   ► - Expecting it to auto-correct, and it totally doesn't.

01:16:39 ◼   ► Those should be separate features.

01:16:41 ◼   ► For Pete's sake, we now have the iPad Pro shipping,

01:16:43 ◼   ► you know, with these accessories that you can get

01:16:45 ◼   ► that are made by Apple that are external keyboards.

01:16:47 ◼   ► - A keyboard that you make and put in the marketing.

01:16:50 ◼   ► - Yeah, they need to be different.

01:16:52 ◼   ► So I would throw that out there that they need to do that.

01:16:55 ◼   ► And then actually also from the iPad Pro perspective,

01:16:59 ◼   ► the two finger track pad feature,

01:17:02 ◼   ► they need to tweak it a little bit

01:17:05 ◼   ► because I accidentally set it off with a finger brush

01:17:10 ◼   ► and delete things that I've written all the time.

01:17:15 ◼   ► So I want it to be less sensitive.

01:17:19 ◼   ► I want to have to do a little more work

01:17:22 ◼   ► to get it into trackpad mode.

01:17:24 ◼   ► And I also want it to be more reliable about it

01:17:27 ◼   ► 'cause sometimes I put two fingers down

01:17:28 ◼   ► and I start to move and it just starts tacking keys,

01:17:31 ◼   ► which is also really annoying.

01:17:32 ◼   ► So it activates sometimes when I don't want it to,

01:17:35 ◼   ► and it doesn't activate sometimes when I do.

01:17:37 ◼   ► And as a result, I get really frustrated by it.

01:17:38 ◼   ► - It's one of my favorite features of the iPhone

01:17:41 ◼   ► because it works almost like all the time.

01:17:45 ◼   ► but it's one of the things that annoys me most

01:17:47 ◼   ► about the iPad because I can't get it to work consistently.

01:17:49 ◼   ► - Yeah, when it works, it's great,

01:17:51 ◼   ► but it is so inconsistent and frustrating.

01:17:52 ◼   ► So those are my two things that I'll throw in

01:17:56 ◼   ► on the software keyboard.

01:17:57 ◼   ► And there are probably others.

01:17:58 ◼   ► I mean, you could change the whole little auto,

01:18:02 ◼   ► the smart bar or whatever it is above there.

01:18:07 ◼   ► That could be a lot better and more contextual

01:18:09 ◼   ► and have more stuff in it than I think app developers

01:18:11 ◼   ► are allowed to put in there too.

01:18:13 ◼   ► - And there's about 17,000 different things you could do

01:18:16 ◼   ► to improve the emoji keyboard as well.

01:18:18 ◼   ► - Yes, like make it searchable for one.

01:18:20 ◼   ► - Yeah, just yeah, yeah.

01:18:22 ◼   ► - I wrote a whole story for Macworld about that.

01:18:24 ◼   ► Apple's emoji, our emoji game is really strong

01:18:27 ◼   ► and their keyboard on iOS is really poor.

01:18:30 ◼   ► All right, so for my pick rounding out round 10

01:18:33 ◼   ► and the end of this block,

01:18:35 ◼   ► I'm going to choose major changes

01:18:38 ◼   ► and improvements to CarPlay.

01:18:41 ◼   ► You are probably the only person in the world that has had the amount of experience of CarPlay

01:18:46 ◼   ► that you've had. I just used it that one day and made the video.

01:18:50 ◼   ► Technically, no. I actually have it hooked up. I was using it the other day because Apple actually

01:18:56 ◼   ► has come a long way. One of the weird things about CarPlay is iOS 9 wasn't that great with CarPlay,

01:19:02 ◼   ► but a couple updates in it got a lot better. CarPlay is way better than it was a year ago

01:19:07 ◼   ► when I made that video, and I keep thinking about making a follow-up. People who have CarPlay in

01:19:11 ◼   ► in their cars perhaps have experienced this. I don't. I have CarPlay in a box that I can

01:19:15 ◼   ► plug in in my house. So I should probably put it in my car at some point just so that

01:19:19 ◼   ► I can write about it some more. And now it's at the point, it's much better now. At this

01:19:23 ◼   ► point I would be willing to have it in my car, where a year ago I wasn't. But, you know,

01:19:27 ◼   ► they are, Apple's trying to get in the car, they are in this competition with Android

01:19:31 ◼   ► Auto, they need to make CarPlay better. So I want to hear them talk about, and I hope

01:19:37 ◼   ► they do, that's why I'm picking them, talk about CarPlay and ways that they're going

01:19:40 ◼   ► make it better because it's still not that great and I feel like they need to

01:19:45 ◼   ► spend some time saying we're gonna you know we're gonna make it better they've

01:19:48 ◼   ► they've teased that they're going to be able to do it completely wirelessly how's

01:19:51 ◼   ► that going to work are they going to do other features I'm gonna roll Siri in

01:19:54 ◼   ► the car in here too I feel like Siri needs to get smarter in the car

01:19:57 ◼   ► regardless but especially needs to get smarter in the car when there's carplay

01:20:01 ◼   ► because a lot of times you know what you can't interact with a screen you need to

01:20:05 ◼   ► talk to a device and Siri is not good enough at being a conversationalist in the car and

01:20:12 ◼   ► help you get information that you seek while your eyes are on the road. So some sort of

01:20:21 ◼   ► Apple in-car story that is not Apple building a car but is Apple is committed to making

01:20:28 ◼   ► more improvements to car play. I want to see it so I'm going to put it on my list.

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01:22:29 ◼   ► the final stretch now, Jason.

01:22:30 ◼   ► Yes, the lightning round, if you will.

01:22:32 ◼   ► You could say that. I am going to go with system-wide iOS dark mode.

01:22:39 ◼   ► All right.

01:22:40 ◼   ► That's my next pick here.

01:22:41 ◼   ► Good choice.

01:22:43 ◼   ► Now, this thing is being called dark mode. You know, Federico did some great stuff here

01:22:48 ◼   ► when he did his iOS 10 pics. But I actually think it's going to be slightly more than

01:22:54 ◼   ► this. I have a hunch that the Instagram design, the new black and white Instagram design is

01:23:01 ◼   ► going to be something that we see wider in iOS. I think that is a fresh, kind of black

01:23:08 ◼   ► and white style design or just way calmer design. You take a look at the WWDC pages,

01:23:14 ◼   ► everything's dark and you know there's a simple color there that could easily be flicked backwards

01:23:18 ◼   ► and forwards. I think that Apple is going to start to really change the way that the

01:23:23 ◼   ► design guidelines are so things will be a bit sharper, a bit plainer, even more plain

01:23:28 ◼   ► than what iOS 7 was, to allow for an easier ability to switch between dark and light.

01:23:36 ◼   ► - Yeah, so they introduced a dark menu bar

01:23:41 ◼   ► in OS X a couple versions ago,

01:23:45 ◼   ► and it's really dumb because it's a dark menu bar,

01:23:50 ◼   ► and that's it.

01:23:51 ◼   ► And I think originally people who had apps

01:23:54 ◼   ► that ran in the menu bar couldn't even easily tell

01:23:57 ◼   ► if the menu bar was dark or not, and they fixed that.

01:23:59 ◼   ► So now they can tell and they can change their icon

01:24:01 ◼   ► to be the opposite when it's a dark menu bar.

01:24:03 ◼   ► but what it's not is a dark mode for the operating system.

01:24:07 ◼   ► Like, and I know, you know, you got a window,

01:24:09 ◼   ► a lot of windows are gonna be like documents

01:24:11 ◼   ► and they're gonna be lots of white with black text

01:24:14 ◼   ► and that's how it is.

01:24:15 ◼   ► But some interface elements throughout could get picked up

01:24:18 ◼   ► and sort of like darkened and you have a second theme

01:24:21 ◼   ► and they didn't do it.

01:24:22 ◼   ► So on iOS, I would love to see it.

01:24:25 ◼   ► I would love to see a dark mode.

01:24:26 ◼   ► I would love to see it something that all the OS can,

01:24:30 ◼   ► all the apps can pick up and do pick up

01:24:32 ◼   ► that you should be able to set it to turn on at sunset.

01:24:35 ◼   ► All of those things I would like to see,

01:24:39 ◼   ► because it's nice.

01:24:41 ◼   ► It's nice when you're working in the dark,

01:24:44 ◼   ► having a white screen in front of your face is painful

01:24:47 ◼   ► when it doesn't have to be.

01:24:48 ◼   ► And like if you've looked at overcast dark mode,

01:24:51 ◼   ► for example, that's a good example of that.

01:24:53 ◼   ► Something like, even like notes,

01:24:55 ◼   ► I would rather have it be when I'm taking notes

01:24:57 ◼   ► in a darkened room, like I often am

01:25:00 ◼   ► when I'm watching a movie or something for a podcast,

01:25:02 ◼   ► I would love to be able to have a dark mode for it.

01:25:04 ◼   ► Instead, what I do is I end up triple clicking

01:25:07 ◼   ► and I have triple click set to be invert screen.

01:25:10 ◼   ► And since everything in iOS is so aggressively,

01:25:15 ◼   ► you know, white with a little bit of black,

01:25:17 ◼   ► if you triple click, it turns into a sort of a dark mode.

01:25:21 ◼   ► It's weird, but sort of,

01:25:22 ◼   ► but a proper dark mode would be great.

01:25:25 ◼   ► - So I think that's what we're gonna,

01:25:27 ◼   ► I think we're gonna see something along those lines

01:25:29 ◼   ► will be a bigger kind of interface change again. I mean it's been some years since iOS 7 now.

01:25:34 ◼   ► >> So a lot of what we've been saying it has been about the Apple Watch has been fix it, fix it,

01:25:40 ◼   ► fix the things that are wrong. I'm gonna say something completely new here which is

01:25:45 ◼   ► time for watchOS 3.0 to include the ability for custom watch faces. Expanding the abilities of the

01:25:53 ◼   ► existing watch faces is something that should also be on the list and I think we all assume that

01:25:58 ◼   ► there will be some incremental improvements to how watch faces are

01:26:01 ◼   ► displayed, but I think I want to see the ability for third parties to build apps

01:26:08 ◼   ► that provide custom watch faces that, you know, they got to be approved by Apple,

01:26:12 ◼   ► but I feel like it's time. The Apple Watch, one of the things that it does is

01:26:17 ◼   ► tell the time, and if you would ask me what the state of the Apple Watch's

01:26:22 ◼   ► watch face game would be a year after it shipped, I would not--I would be

01:26:27 ◼   ► disappointed with the reality of it if you know it's just not enough and I

01:26:32 ◼   ► realize there are lots of reasons you want to there's intellectual property

01:26:35 ◼   ► reasons you want to knock off existing watch faces there's a quality reasons

01:26:38 ◼   ► where a lot of like pebble watch faces are really gross that said you know

01:26:44 ◼   ► having Apple have approval and have guidelines I would like to see that and

01:26:49 ◼   ► I would I would like to see watch faces in general be more customizable than

01:26:53 ◼   ► they currently are. I would trade this for fewer, more flexible Apple watch faces. I

01:27:00 ◼   ► would probably do that, where, you know, right now an Apple watch face sort of can only do

01:27:05 ◼   ► one thing. If those all could be a little more variable in terms of where they put text

01:27:11 ◼   ► and what they put where, that would be nice too. But I'm gonna go with the custom watch

01:27:16 ◼   ► faces too. I think, why not?

01:27:19 ◼   ► Do you foresee custom watch faces as anyone can make one or Apple makes it possible for

01:27:26 ◼   ► approved designers to do it?

01:27:29 ◼   ► I think it's the latter, right?

01:27:30 ◼   ► Apple approval is going to be a key part of it.

01:27:34 ◼   ► I would have just imagined it's going to be an app store style process.

01:27:38 ◼   ► Right, but anyone can come along and make one.

01:27:42 ◼   ► They've just got to get it approved as opposed to Apple saying Louis Vuitton and Gucci and

01:27:47 ◼   ► etc.

01:27:48 ◼   ► Exactly. That was what I was thinking. And it might even be something that just, you know, the store for it, if you will, is in the Apple Watch app.

01:27:55 ◼   ► And it just, that's where it lives and you install a watch face and there's no, you know, there's no app you install on your phone that has a watch face extension.

01:28:03 ◼   ► It's more like there are watch faces in the watch face. I mean, that Apple Watch app is pretty bare. There's not a lot happening in there.

01:28:10 ◼   ► So putting in a watch, a watch face gallery and letting you load things on. I mean, that's something that, that Pebble did that I liked. So I'd like to see that.

01:28:18 ◼   ► Alright, next up, this is a kind of a continuation from what I was saying about native watch

01:28:25 ◼   ► apps but I think further untethering the Apple Watch from the phone, so allowing the Apple

01:28:31 ◼   ► Watch to get more information from some kind of connection, whether it be a cell connection

01:28:40 ◼   ► and we can maybe get to that with a later prediction or just to be able to do more with

01:28:46 ◼   ► than it can currently do so you can kind of have this device be its own little

01:28:53 ◼   ► thing if it wants to be I think that's something that they're gonna do more

01:28:56 ◼   ► with because I think that whilst the Apple kind of said that this was the

01:29:00 ◼   ► case it doesn't feel like that's the case because if I'm at my in my in my

01:29:04 ◼   ► home and the phone is not around my watch gets really upset so and I know

01:29:09 ◼   ► it's connected to the Wi-Fi so I think that this could be significantly

01:29:13 ◼   ► improved upon, if not completely revolutionized.

01:29:16 ◼   ► >> All right, I'm going to, I mean, some of those things were in watchOS 2.0, but as you

01:29:21 ◼   ► pointed out when we talked about this earlier with apps standing alone, it doesn't go far

01:29:26 ◼   ► enough, it needs to go further. I'm going to stay on the watch thing for a little watch

01:29:31 ◼   ► segment here, my pick, which is a very specific pick and it is something that I actually added

01:29:36 ◼   ► while we were talking. I'm going to throw down the ability to migrate an Apple Watch

01:29:43 ◼   ► to a new iPhone without having to wipe it and reinstall it from a backup. If you ever

01:29:49 ◼   ► buy a new iPhone or have your iPhone break and have to replace it, guess what you have

01:29:52 ◼   ► to do to your Apple Watch? You have to completely erase it and then re-pair it and then let

01:29:57 ◼   ► it load your last backup, if you have a backup, from that iPhone. So I'm going to say, "New

01:30:04 ◼   ► feature of WatchOS 3, if you're using a phone that's got an existing Apple ID that's the

01:30:09 ◼   ► same as the new phone that you're going to, it will just be able to migrate without wiping

01:30:14 ◼   ► itself clean and starting again.

01:30:18 ◼   ► That would be great.

01:30:19 ◼   ► Especially when we all get new phones again.

01:30:21 ◼   ► I mean, if we remember what happened last September in the meeting, you just shouted

01:30:24 ◼   ► for four weeks.

01:30:25 ◼   ► Exactly right.

01:30:26 ◼   ► It's upgrading.

01:30:27 ◼   ► Upgrading should be a delight.

01:30:29 ◼   ► And if you've got an Apple Watch, upgrading your iPhone is a pain.

01:30:33 ◼   ► So make it more delightful.

01:30:36 ◼   ► I'm gonna venture into territory I don't understand and say that there will be some kind of big

01:30:41 ◼   ► Swift announcement.

01:30:42 ◼   ► Oh good.

01:30:43 ◼   ► That's all I know is that there will be time devoted to Swift and it will be big stuff,

01:30:47 ◼   ► not just like, "Hey, Swift's going good."

01:30:50 ◼   ► Like I think that they're gonna do something which will be significant with Swift.

01:30:54 ◼   ► New version of Swift, they learned their lesson, they've listened to developers, and it does

01:30:59 ◼   ► more awesome things now.

01:31:01 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:31:02 ◼   ► Basically.

01:31:03 ◼   ► That's all I have to say on that.

01:31:04 ◼   ► That's good.

01:31:05 ◼   ► You don't want to elaborate on some of the thoughts about what those big new features

01:31:09 ◼   ► of Swift would be?

01:31:10 ◼   ► I think that the integer parameter is going to significantly change.

01:31:17 ◼   ► And everyone stop listening.

01:31:18 ◼   ► Well, it'll be more dynamic.

01:31:20 ◼   ► There'll be some more dynamic typing, I hope.

01:31:23 ◼   ► Dynamic typing.

01:31:24 ◼   ► That's when you type really fast, right?

01:31:25 ◼   ► Yeah, that's what new keyboards do.

01:31:28 ◼   ► They just make it more dynamic.

01:31:29 ◼   ► Okay, good.

01:31:30 ◼   ► Excellent.

01:31:31 ◼   ► Okay, I'm with you there.

01:31:32 ◼   ► All right, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say something that's totally nuts

01:31:35 ◼   ► But I it's wish fulfillment time here late in the draft and I'm gonna I'm gonna I want credit if my wish is fulfilled

01:31:40 ◼   ► The fulfillment itself won't be enough. I'll also get draft credit for it

01:31:44 ◼   ► a

01:31:46 ◼   ► replacement for iTunes on the Mac

01:31:48 ◼   ► Mm-hmm, so

01:31:54 ◼   ► The idea that Apple needs to split some of this stuff off

01:31:58 ◼   ► that there's a new version of iTunes that is focused on music,

01:32:02 ◼   ► perhaps there's a separate app that is for device sync and maintenance and backup and things

01:32:06 ◼   ► for people who are still doing wired connections to their iOS devices.

01:32:11 ◼   ► But breaking it up, breaking up the monopoly,

01:32:17 ◼   ► simplifying iTunes, having the whole music story be a little bit more,

01:32:21 ◼   ► actually having it be more like iOS, where there's a music app, and there's a store app,

01:32:26 ◼   ► and there's a device sync app in this case since it's on the Mac and that's

01:32:31 ◼   ► and that's it instead of one place the the long requested never delivered

01:32:38 ◼   ► breakup of big iTunes. Big iTunes. Go get big iTunes out of the way.

01:32:44 ◼   ► Alright so we're into our last and final picks now then. I guess we are. Now one of

01:32:51 ◼   ► the things so I'm struggling now with what we have left in this document

01:32:56 ◼   ► Because I can either go for something that is potential but I don't think will happen or I can just take crib something

01:33:02 ◼   ► Immediately from what you just put in your article about the Mac

01:33:05 ◼   ► But I think that's a bit outlandish and I do want you to maybe go through it

01:33:10 ◼   ► So I'm just gonna go with Apple watch to announced. I

01:33:13 ◼   ► Don't think that they're gonna do this

01:33:16 ◼   ► Like I really don't think that this is gonna happen and this is what happens when you get to the end of the draft here

01:33:21 ◼   ► But no left there could be some stuff in Apple watch 3

01:33:27 ◼   ► That they just can't talk about unless they talk about the Apple watch 2

01:33:31 ◼   ► hmm, like

01:33:34 ◼   ► fundamentally like if they say something like

01:33:36 ◼   ► Let's just say for argument's sake that the Apple watch 2 has a SIM card in it and it has a cell connection

01:33:41 ◼   ► Let's just say again. I think we're still another version away from that

01:33:45 ◼   ► But let's just say that's the case and that's why they talk about independent

01:33:49 ◼   ► You know that the watch can talk independently when you're out on a run

01:33:52 ◼   ► There's no way they can do that without kind of acknowledging the fact that it's gonna have a cell connection

01:33:57 ◼   ► Which means they need to maybe talk about the hardware. I

01:33:59 ◼   ► Don't know depends on how much they want to give developers now as opposed to giving them like three weeks pull the thing ships

01:34:06 ◼   ► So it could be uncharted territory a little bit with what they want to announce and what they don't want to announce and how this

01:34:13 ◼   ► impacts the hardware

01:34:15 ◼   ► But that's why I say that there is a slim chance that they announced the Apple watch to

01:34:21 ◼   ► Shipping in a month two months if the products not selling gangbusters. They know it's a q4 product like Tim has said

01:34:29 ◼   ► It's a holiday product

01:34:30 ◼   ► Maybe they just don't care about the fact that are gonna cannibalize some sales for a little while. I don't know

01:34:35 ◼   ► All right. Well, I think that's unlikely highly unlikely, but why is my last pick my friend?

01:34:41 ◼   ► So for my last pick and the last pick of the draft, I've got some stuff that I could pick

01:34:46 ◼   ► But I'm not gonna pick I'm not gonna pick any of those instead

01:34:50 ◼   ► I'm gonna pick something that's slightly more possible than the Apple watch 2 appearing on stage at

01:34:56 ◼   ► WWDC and it's this

01:34:58 ◼   ► To celebrate the fact that OS 10 is now Mac OS 11

01:35:04 ◼   ► they're going to say these go to 11 and

01:35:09 ◼   ► Spinal tap is going to appear on stage and perform at the end of the keynote

01:35:14 ◼   ► I think there is more chance of a live upgrade from the keynote stage

01:35:18 ◼   ► Then then spinal tap to appear. I don't think I don't agree. I think I think the appearance of spinal tap is

01:35:24 ◼   ► More likely than a live upgrade or the Apple watch to appearing. So that's what I'm gonna say spinal tap slash Mac OS

01:35:32 ◼   ► 11 there it is

01:35:35 ◼   ► Just mark it mark it down. All right

01:35:38 ◼   ► I get like I win the draft if that happens. How about that? Will you agree to that? That's a double or nothing

01:35:43 ◼   ► Yeah, I'll tell you what

01:35:44 ◼   ► I'll give you that if spinal tap come out on stage no matter what the scoring is you win the draft. Okay. Thank you

01:35:50 ◼   ► And that's the end of the draft and that's the end of this week's episode

01:35:54 ◼   ► Thank you so much for listening and I hope you've been playing along at home

01:35:59 ◼   ► I'm look very much looking forward to next week when we announce the winner

01:36:04 ◼   ► Uh, who will be crowned champion of the, uh,

01:36:07 ◼   ► first annual upgrade WWDC draft, but let's

01:36:10 ◼   ► talk about next week for a moment.

01:36:12 ◼   ► Yes.

01:36:12 ◼   ► So, um, next week, uh, upgrade, we will be

01:36:16 ◼   ► recording in person, uh, after the keynote.

01:36:19 ◼   ► So we will, you know, sometime after the

01:36:21 ◼   ► keynote, we'll be recording in person.

01:36:22 ◼   ► We may or may not stream live.

01:36:24 ◼   ► I hope that we will be able to stream live.

01:36:25 ◼   ► So you'll be able to tune in if you want to.

01:36:27 ◼   ► Um, something that I will mention this, uh,

01:36:30 ◼   ► like just after the keynote, but I'll say

01:36:32 ◼   ► it now so you can bear it in mind.

01:36:33 ◼   ► We love to do extended ask upgrade for this type of stuff.

01:36:37 ◼   ► So if you have any questions, thoughts that you want us to elaborate on that kind of stuff

01:36:42 ◼   ► because of the keynote announcements, just send them in with the hashtag ask upgrade

01:36:46 ◼   ► and we'll try and get to as many of those as we can.

01:36:48 ◼   ► So feel free to do that.

01:36:50 ◼   ► I love doing that sort of stuff because you pick up on like the random

01:36:53 ◼   ► and weird little things that people thought of or found because of that.

01:36:57 ◼   ► So please send any of that sort of stuff into us

01:36:59 ◼   ► so we can address it on the show with the hashtag ask upgrade.

01:37:02 ◼   ► So we'll be recording that episode, but also on Monday, it's RelayCon.

01:37:07 ◼   ► Now you may have, may not have heard of this.

01:37:09 ◼   ► I hope that you have, but we're doing an event in San Francisco for the first time.

01:37:13 ◼   ► Um, it's going to be a live show.

01:37:15 ◼   ► Um, we're going to be doing some fun stuff.

01:37:17 ◼   ► We've got some great things planned.

01:37:19 ◼   ► Uh, part of it is going to be, uh, the connected hosts.

01:37:22 ◼   ► So me, Steven and Federico.

01:37:24 ◼   ► And then there's going to be a segment that I've put down in my

01:37:26 ◼   ► document, title was Myke and Friends, which is going to be me, you and

01:37:30 ◼   ► Serenity Coldwell talking about the announcements of the day.

01:37:33 ◼   ► This is going to be recorded live and it will be out in the connected feed.

01:37:38 ◼   ► So we'll be talking about it, we'll be linking to it, but if you're interested in picking

01:37:42 ◼   ► up what I think is going to be a really fun episode, go subscribe to connected now and

01:37:47 ◼   ► you'll get that next week.

01:37:49 ◼   ► And you'll also get this week's episode of connected, which will be fun.

01:37:51 ◼   ► So go to relay.fm/connected to find out more and subscribe there.

01:37:55 ◼   ► But we're really excited for RelayCon and Jason, I'll say now thank you for being a

01:38:00 ◼   ► part of it on stage with me. I am very excited. We've got a big night planned, so I think

01:38:04 ◼   ► it's gonna be a lot of fun.

01:38:05 ◼   ► - Monday's gonna be a big day, and somewhere in there between a keynote and relaycon, we

01:38:10 ◼   ► will find at an undisclosed location, we will find enough time to do upgrade. That's the

01:38:17 ◼   ► agenda for Monday. And again, I will offer, we can just ride around in my car if you really

01:38:24 ◼   ► want to. Do a car cast. But we should probably do it at a secret location instead of in my

01:38:29 ◼   ► I feel like, you know, for the car cast to exist in the future, which I'm sure it will

01:38:35 ◼   ► make an appearance later on, there needs to be extenuating circumstances. Me and you being

01:38:40 ◼   ► together in person with the ability to walk to multiple locations where we could record

01:38:45 ◼   ► does not need a car cast. But I appreciate the invitation.

01:38:48 ◼   ► Probably right. Fine, you don't want to be in my car, that's fine. Alright, no, I'm looking

01:38:53 ◼   ► forward to it. You and me together in San Francisco. That part in San Francisco is less

01:38:58 ◼   ► exciting for me because this is basically where I live but you'll be here and a lot of other people

01:39:02 ◼   ► will be here and there'll be a big apple event I'll be there and then I will find you afterward

01:39:07 ◼   ► and we will do an upgrade next week and keep score about the draft which will be ugly probably

01:39:12 ◼   ► yeah especially because we'll be in person you know it might come to fisticuffs who knows it could

01:39:17 ◼   ► thank you so much for listening to this week's show if you want to find our show notes head on

01:39:21 ◼   ► over to relay.fm/upgrades/92 thanks again to our lovely sponsors this week Casper, Squarespace,

01:39:28 ◼   ► and Pingdom and we'll be back in person next week.

01:39:31 ◼   ► Thank you so much for listening.

01:39:32 ◼   ► Say goodbye Mr. Snow.

01:39:34 ◼   ► - Goodbye everybody, next week in San Francisco.

01:39:36 ◼   ► - San Francisco.

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