Upgrade

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00:00:02 ◼   ► - From Relay FM, this is Upgrade, episode number 94.

00:00:12 ◼   ► Today's show is brought to you by PDF/PEM

00:00:15 ◼   ► from Smile, Pingdom, and Ministry of Supply.

00:00:18 ◼   ► My name is Myke Hurley, and I am joined now

00:00:20 ◼   ► with an ocean separating us by Jason Snell.

00:00:23 ◼   ► - Oh, it's so sad when you put it that way.

00:00:25 ◼   ► We were just across the table from one another last week,

00:00:29 ◼   ► And now here we are back in our places.

00:00:32 ◼   ► I'm back in my garage office

00:00:34 ◼   ► and you are back in your office in London.

00:00:36 ◼   ► - Yeah, I spent time in the garage office as well,

00:00:38 ◼   ► didn't I?

00:00:39 ◼   ► - You did.

00:00:40 ◼   ► Did you leave something?

00:00:41 ◼   ► Is there something taped under my chair?

00:00:43 ◼   ► - Don't look.

00:00:44 ◼   ► - Is there a mouse under there?

00:00:45 ◼   ► - Don't look.

00:00:45 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:00:46 ◼   ► - That's a present from me.

00:00:47 ◼   ► - All right.

00:00:48 ◼   ► - Wow, what a week, huh?

00:00:49 ◼   ► So it's been a week since the keynote.

00:00:52 ◼   ► - Big week.

00:00:53 ◼   ► - Where me and you are running around San Francisco

00:00:55 ◼   ► finding an Airbnb to record in.

00:00:58 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

00:00:59 ◼   ► But what, yeah, then since then, I guess we should maybe catch up, right, about some of

00:01:03 ◼   ► the stuff that's happened in between last week's episode of Upgrade and this week.

00:01:07 ◼   ► 'Cause as we say on the show, we like to be first, you know, so...

00:01:10 ◼   ► Yes.

00:01:11 ◼   ► That episode was recorded as soon as we could.

00:01:14 ◼   ► I've had, throughout the week, I've had many people questioning our scoring methods for

00:01:19 ◼   ► the draft.

00:01:21 ◼   ► But it doesn't matter how it's scored, I always win.

00:01:24 ◼   ► Exactly.

00:01:25 ◼   ► That's exactly, you made the point that I was going to make, which is we can discuss

00:01:29 ◼   ► scoring and perhaps if we do this again, uh, we should determine what the scoring system

00:01:34 ◼   ► is in case there's a controversy.

00:01:36 ◼   ► We will learn from our previous draft, right?

00:01:39 ◼   ► But it was not a problem this time.

00:01:42 ◼   ► It wasn't close, so, you know, so there we go.

00:01:46 ◼   ► One thing that we both participated in was the very first RelayCon WWDC.

00:01:52 ◼   ► That was a fun evening.

00:01:53 ◼   ► So if you want to go and hear that, we had some surprises in store, which they're not

00:01:58 ◼   ► really secret anymore.

00:02:00 ◼   ► So there was, we set out a few panels.

00:02:03 ◼   ► We had myself, Federico and Steven, who connected at the beginning.

00:02:08 ◼   ► Then we did a live robot or not, which was an incredible amount of fun to be sitting

00:02:14 ◼   ► in between the two of you, throwing in my thoughts, which nobody wanted.

00:02:20 ◼   ► That led to a great moment though where you're like, "This is the point where I get to interject

00:02:25 ◼   ► into this conversation with questions and skepticism."

00:02:28 ◼   ► That was really funny.

00:02:29 ◼   ► Yeah, that was amusing.

00:02:30 ◼   ► I like that.

00:02:31 ◼   ► I got to do what everybody wants to do, which is to shout at Jon for being crazy.

00:02:37 ◼   ► I got to do it.

00:02:40 ◼   ► So you can go through that.

00:02:41 ◼   ► And then Serenity joined us and we had more chats about iOS and watchOS.

00:02:46 ◼   ► And then kind of my big surprise, my one more thing is I convinced our good friend Mr. CGP

00:02:52 ◼   ► Grey to come to San Francisco to participate in RelayCon.

00:02:56 ◼   ► That was so much fun for me to do that.

00:02:57 ◼   ► And he did, and in person he does not look like a robot.

00:03:01 ◼   ► No he doesn't.

00:03:02 ◼   ► Well, unless he was wearing his person skin that day.

00:03:06 ◼   ► Ah, I see, I see.

00:03:07 ◼   ► Yeah, so it's all just a facade.

00:03:10 ◼   ► So it's like four podcast episodes in about 70 minutes.

00:03:16 ◼   ► That's an episode.

00:03:18 ◼   ► It's packed.

00:03:19 ◼   ► It is action packed.

00:03:21 ◼   ► And I enjoyed it a lot and I think everybody else did.

00:03:24 ◼   ► We've had great response from the episode so far.

00:03:26 ◼   ► So this is just the first.

00:03:28 ◼   ► We will be doing RelayCon WWDC next year and we're hoping to have a much larger audience

00:03:35 ◼   ► as well.

00:03:36 ◼   ► So that's something to look out for.

00:03:39 ◼   ► Wow.

00:03:40 ◼   ► venue is always tricky for that because it's very expensive and it's hard to find a place

00:03:44 ◼   ► to have it. And this was a small one and you guys took the risk when you were putting it

00:03:49 ◼   ► together because you had to put down a deposit, right? Before we even knew for sure that that

00:03:53 ◼   ► was the week, you had to put down a deposit. And there was a question of like, are people

00:03:58 ◼   ► going to show up? Will people want to come? And it turns out, of course, that it sold

00:04:03 ◼   ► out almost immediately and there were a lot of people who were wanting to come and couldn't

00:04:07 ◼   ► and that's great so hopefully that will inform next year.

00:04:10 ◼   ► - Yep, it will be more big San Francisco deposits

00:04:14 ◼   ► made in a year's time.

00:04:15 ◼   ► - Oh boy.

00:04:16 ◼   ► - They are big deposits, let me tell you.

00:04:19 ◼   ► - They are, they are.

00:04:20 ◼   ► That's how we do it here.

00:04:21 ◼   ► - Thanks to our sponsors as well.

00:04:23 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, seriously.

00:04:26 ◼   ► - Me and Steven also participated in the new tradition

00:04:29 ◼   ► of WWDC keynote clockwise.

00:04:34 ◼   ► So we've done this like three or four years in a row now,

00:04:37 ◼   ► I think me and Steven have been your guests

00:04:39 ◼   ► during WWDC week.

00:04:40 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean, it's fun when a relay podcast

00:04:45 ◼   ► can have the found that has two guests,

00:04:47 ◼   ► lots to fill can have the founders of the network on.

00:04:49 ◼   ► And when we're all together at an event,

00:04:52 ◼   ► it's kind of a fun thing to do.

00:04:53 ◼   ► And you guys know how the format works and all of that.

00:04:56 ◼   ► So that's useful.

00:04:57 ◼   ► - We're good at watching the clock, me and Steven.

00:04:59 ◼   ► We're very good at that.

00:05:00 ◼   ► - We were doing a lot of watching the clock last week.

00:05:04 ◼   ► sometimes on clockwise and sometimes not.

00:05:07 ◼   ► - Clock is always watched.

00:05:09 ◼   ► - Yeah, sure, exactly.

00:05:10 ◼   ► And this extends your lead in the relay era of clockwise

00:05:15 ◼   ► as the most frequent guest.

00:05:18 ◼   ► - I'm never gonna give it up.

00:05:20 ◼   ► - But you're not quite at the level of the all time lead.

00:05:23 ◼   ► So you've still got some work to do there.

00:05:25 ◼   ► - Okay, well, I'll take that.

00:05:27 ◼   ► I'll take that half of a--

00:05:29 ◼   ► - But 11 appearances for you.

00:05:31 ◼   ► So good job.

00:05:32 ◼   ► is is basically because whenever you do a live clockwise i tend to be in

00:05:36 ◼   ► attendance but i think

00:05:37 ◼   ► i just had to be there all the time so i just you just like right you

00:05:41 ◼   ► come with me

00:05:42 ◼   ► look was that's like you and i got you in a rich year they are my go-to

00:05:45 ◼   ► clockwise uh...

00:05:46 ◼   ► road people

00:05:48 ◼   ► and we also attended the talk show

00:05:51 ◼   ► uh... the last summer

00:05:52 ◼   ► social we actually sat next to each other which was nice

00:05:55 ◼   ► uh... and we were laughing and uh... making little snarky comments throughout

00:06:00 ◼   ► the episode, which I think many people want to do. That was a lot of fun. We learned some

00:06:05 ◼   ► interesting things, I think, here.

00:06:07 ◼   ► We really did, yeah.

00:06:08 ◼   ► And we're going to get into probably, I think, the most interesting a little later on.

00:06:12 ◼   ► And it's good that now the video is posted and I more did a transcript of the conversation.

00:06:18 ◼   ► So there are ways for people who weren't there to dig in and see what was, you know, what

00:06:23 ◼   ► these little tidbits were, where especially like Craig Federighi, you know, not being

00:06:29 ◼   ► a technical guy and not a marketing guy, he said some stuff that probably, you know, Apple's

00:06:33 ◼   ► marketing group as represented by Phil Schiller sitting right next to him might have said,

00:06:38 ◼   ► why give that level of detail? But speaking to a developer audience, I think he felt like

00:06:43 ◼   ► comfortable going into a little more detail and it was really great stuff, great little

00:06:48 ◼   ► tidbits.

00:06:50 ◼   ► This actually further enforces my belief that Federighi is not trusted to be on his own

00:06:58 ◼   ► in these things?

00:07:00 ◼   ► Maybe not, maybe not. I mean, that may be the reason it's like, well, could we have

00:07:04 ◼   ► Craig this year? And Apple's response perhaps to Gruber was,

00:07:08 ◼   ► "You can have Craig AND Phil."

00:07:11 ◼   ► Because if you think about it,

00:07:12 ◼   ► every time Federighi has been on the talk show, somebody else is with him,

00:07:17 ◼   ► right? So Q is with him. I think when they did the Swift thing, they had somebody else

00:07:21 ◼   ► there as well.

00:07:22 ◼   ► I think that they don't trust Federighi because he seems like a bit of a wildcard,

00:07:27 ◼   ► that guy.

00:07:27 ◼   ► Well, I think also, and we'll talk about the content later, but just in terms of the presentation,

00:07:32 ◼   ► I think Federighi is interesting because we see him, our relationship with him as people

00:07:37 ◼   ► who observe this from the outside is that Craig Federighi is the guy on stage and he

00:07:43 ◼   ► started out nervous and now he's actually pretty good and his presentations are funny.

00:07:48 ◼   ► And you can see his personality come through. At the talk show, what I noticed was, you

00:07:53 ◼   ► know he's a giant giant computer nerd. He is right and I feel like

00:07:58 ◼   ► actually I think I might even mention this to you I kind of think that Apple

00:08:04 ◼   ► does him a disservice and does itself a disservice when they only put Federighi

00:08:09 ◼   ► out there in these controlled situations and I get exactly what you're saying

00:08:13 ◼   ► which is that that Craig Federighi is a little bit of a loose cannon maybe and

00:08:17 ◼   ► they want to watch him because he might he might say stuff that they don't want

00:08:20 ◼   ► to talk about but he brought a level of technical credibility just in some of

00:08:26 ◼   ► the detail that he threw out on stage to that developer audience that I think

00:08:30 ◼   ► I think is actually pretty good because it shows you another side of him that

00:08:33 ◼   ► he's not just this pitch man with with big hair he's the guy who runs the

00:08:38 ◼   ► software development effort at Apple and that he knows his stuff and that he can

00:08:42 ◼   ► speak about technical decisions Apple makes and that goes against something

00:08:47 ◼   ► that Steve Jobs really believed in which is the idea that Apple's almost a

00:08:50 ◼   ► black box and you know you don't reveal to the public you don't tell them the

00:08:55 ◼   ► secrets of your magic tricks but I think I think there's some value in having

00:09:00 ◼   ► somebody especially who's as good at this as Craig Federighi open up a little

00:09:06 ◼   ► bit more about like the it's not even huge detail but like the fact that Apple

00:09:10 ◼   ► of course Apple sweats the details of course Apple works really hard and

00:09:15 ◼   ► thinks about its options before it makes decisions and we can agree or disagree

00:09:18 ◼   ► disagree with the end result of those decisions, but I like that he dove in and said some things

00:09:24 ◼   ► that were like extra technical. I think that actually is to the benefit of him and Apple.

00:09:28 ◼   ► So I'd like them to put him in more positions like that, but I also get why they have a

00:09:34 ◼   ► minder for him, which is that it is not what they're used to.

00:09:38 ◼   ► He wants to get into detail that Apple tends to be not comfortable to share.

00:09:42 ◼   ► He wants to nerd out.

00:09:43 ◼   ► I think that's where it ends up being this way. Yeah, exactly. He wants to nerd out and

00:09:47 ◼   ► they just won't let him do that, right?

00:09:50 ◼   ► And there was also a moment,

00:09:51 ◼   ► I can't remember exactly what it was you said,

00:09:53 ◼   ► but he was kind of beating up the Mac OS name a little bit,

00:09:57 ◼   ► which was very funny, which we all appreciated.

00:09:59 ◼   ► And he was talking about like rehearsals

00:10:02 ◼   ► of the keynote and stuff, you know,

00:10:04 ◼   ► like things that Apple liked to kind of keep

00:10:06 ◼   ► a bit more Christmas magic.

00:10:08 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's the same thing, right?

00:10:09 ◼   ► It's like, no, no, no, it's just,

00:10:10 ◼   ► the keynote just happens like that.

00:10:12 ◼   ► It's totally natural.

00:10:12 ◼   ► We don't spend hours and hours and hours rehearsing it

00:10:15 ◼   ► and getting it exactly right.

00:10:16 ◼   ► that's the magic trick part of it and and he you know but again I I see this

00:10:21 ◼   ► as being Apple

00:10:23 ◼   ► Apple doesn't often speak openly

00:10:26 ◼   ► to a a technical audience like developers at WWDC they

00:10:30 ◼   ► they generally they're so big now that they speak to this broad audience and

00:10:34 ◼   ► they think about

00:10:35 ◼   ► their PR and their marketing in terms of this broad lens

00:10:38 ◼   ► of everybody and that's the other thing I liked about this in general and

00:10:43 ◼   ► Federighi in particular is

00:10:45 ◼   ► And what I liked about Phil Schiller with Gruber last year is he was able to acknowledge

00:10:52 ◼   ► the elephant in the room. No, literally he got to acknowledge the fact that Marco wrote

00:10:56 ◼   ► a blog post on stage last year about Apple's software quality. They get to...because that's

00:11:03 ◼   ► the thing is it seems like they don't care or notice stuff that happens in our little

00:11:08 ◼   ► nerdier group because they're so focused on the big picture, which from a discipline standpoint

00:11:13 ◼   ► of PR is the right thing to do. Apple's a huge company. The people in our sphere are

00:11:17 ◼   ► a very tiny, very focused, but very tiny part of the much larger world around us. But in

00:11:23 ◼   ► a venue like this, you get to see that. You get to see like, "Oh, they're paying attention."

00:11:27 ◼   ► They just don't want to have that be the message, the PR message. They want to stay more disciplined

00:11:33 ◼   ► and speak to their target for this. But a little of that comes through in these talk show things,

00:11:38 ◼   ► things which is why I'm so glad they're doing them and that that that uh that

00:11:42 ◼   ► you have Apple executives on stage at a essentially a talk show for developers

00:11:46 ◼   ► that's great yeah I like it a lot um I also took my first trip to one infinite

00:11:53 ◼   ► loop never been there before ah did you power slide you know what we are looking

00:12:00 ◼   ► for a parking space ah oh yeah it's it's it's actually parking is really bad

00:12:05 ◼   ► there these days they have they are full and they they have like a valet parking

00:12:10 ◼   ► service now for although there's some guest parking there's usually you can

00:12:13 ◼   ► get some guest parking yeah they had a they had a kind of a guest car park but

00:12:18 ◼   ► it was it was full we were in there for a while so it is WWDC week right so

00:12:23 ◼   ► probably they have a lot of visitors that week but often often it's not I

00:12:26 ◼   ► that's where I want I bought you see I bought you that pen and then you ended

00:12:30 ◼   ► up going to one infinite loop I didn't even need to buy you that it's like four

00:12:33 ◼   ► colors so it helped me. One thing that really shocked me was that people can just drive

00:12:41 ◼   ► in. Like that's so interesting to me, like this is like the most secretive company in

00:12:47 ◼   ► the world but you could just drive in. I expected more security on the door or something.

00:12:54 ◼   ► Well, Infinite Loop, I think this goes back to just when it was constructed, that's

00:12:58 ◼   ► a public street.

00:13:00 ◼   ► Ah, okay. I didn't notice that.

00:13:03 ◼   ► Because it definitely looked like I was just driving into a company.

00:13:06 ◼   ► I mean Apple has the infinite loop that goes around the central complex there.

00:13:11 ◼   ► I mean there are parking lots on the outside and buildings on the inside.

00:13:14 ◼   ► But I think it's probably a public street. It's got the public street signs

00:13:18 ◼   ► and all of that. And that probably goes just back to when they

00:13:21 ◼   ► decided to build it and the decisions they made, the land use decisions.

00:13:24 ◼   ► The other funny thing is that in that parking lot there's a

00:13:27 ◼   ► There's a restaurant and an office building that are on that block that just sort of like never,

00:13:33 ◼   ► you know, they never got consumed by Apple.

00:13:36 ◼   ► And so there's, when you turn in, when you make the left to go into Mariani Avenue and then to Infinite Loop,

00:13:45 ◼   ► there's like a foundation headquarters on the corner and there's a BJ's pizza place that's in that block too,

00:13:52 ◼   ► which Apple employees will go to and have a beer.

00:13:54 ◼   ► and why are they there? Why is that not just all Apple for that entire square?

00:14:00 ◼   ► And you know it just isn't. That's just quirks

00:14:03 ◼   ► of when they got the land to build that complex. So

00:14:07 ◼   ► I would imagine that the new Apple campus

00:14:11 ◼   ► has, well in fact I think we know this now, that they have the way the access

00:14:16 ◼   ► works there is that there's like an entry point

00:14:18 ◼   ► and where they are gonna have their like store

00:14:22 ◼   ► museum thing and parking and like a visitor access and you know all other access is employee

00:14:32 ◼   ► access and is different but yeah you can just drive around Infinite Loop, park wherever,

00:14:38 ◼   ► walk right into the store which also I mean has always been there basically for a long

00:14:43 ◼   ► time also kind of un-Apple like in a way that Apple's like yeah we have a retail store that

00:14:50 ◼   ► predates our other retail stores where you can buy like merch and here it is on our campus.

00:14:55 ◼   ► It's really funny but it's been a thing and it's still a thing. So yeah. So it was good?

00:15:01 ◼   ► It was a good trip?

00:15:02 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean the biggest part of that trip was we went and had a great day at Facebook

00:15:05 ◼   ► too but going out to see One Infinite Loop we just went to the company store, we bought

00:15:10 ◼   ► the obligatory merchandise, took some pictures and then went on our way.

00:15:14 ◼   ► I mean that's the only place you can get like Apple branded t-shirts and pens and things

00:15:19 ◼   ► that are not. It's an Apple store now, which it, well I guess it was always, it always

00:15:23 ◼   ► sold products and if you're an employee you can go there and use your discount and they

00:15:28 ◼   ► ask you if you're an employee, in fact, did they do that with you?

00:15:31 ◼   ► No. No? Oh, okay. I get that. I get that from them, where they're like, "Do you have the

00:15:35 ◼   ► employee discount?" and I'm like, "No, I'm just a regular person." And they're like,

00:15:39 ◼   ► "They're a full price." There are probably so many people there that

00:15:41 ◼   ► week that they just assume that everybody is it.

00:15:43 ◼   ► So they used to have some hardware available, but now it looks like an Apple store. They

00:15:49 ◼   ► rebuilt it and now it looks like an Apple store. But in the corners you'll find the

00:15:54 ◼   ► oddities, you'll find the things that are essentially one-offs, which I'm a little...

00:16:01 ◼   ► I mean it makes it special. At the same time I feel like, you know, could Apple not have

00:16:06 ◼   ► t-shirts in every Apple store? But they don't. It's at the company store. That's it. The

00:16:11 ◼   ► infinite loop store.

00:16:12 ◼   ► >> I want to talk a little bit about some of the other stuff that's happened in the

00:16:17 ◼   ► past week, you know, from talking to developers and spending time in San Francisco.

00:16:20 ◼   ► >> Yeah.

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00:17:48 ◼   ► Thank you so much to Smile for their support of this show.

00:17:52 ◼   ► Alright, they've missed us now. So, over the week, you know, talking to developers and

00:17:57 ◼   ► stuff you kind of start to get a feel for what people are excited about and what they're

00:18:01 ◼   ► And one of the things that I think I was seeing a lot of excitement about from a user perspective

00:18:06 ◼   ► and also a developer perspective was sticker packs in messages.

00:18:10 ◼   ► Yep, I guess stickers are a thing.

00:18:14 ◼   ► I mean, you know, I was excited about them as a user, right, because I like them, I want

00:18:18 ◼   ► to be able to send silly things to people.

00:18:20 ◼   ► But what was interesting as the week went on is we found out that it's incredibly easy

00:18:25 ◼   ► to add stickers into messages with your current application.

00:18:28 ◼   ► super simple to make one like a make a brand new app or super simple to add

00:18:33 ◼   ► messages and stickers to your existing app and basically what it seemed like is

00:18:38 ◼   ► all you need to do is put images in a folder in your xcode file and you're

00:18:43 ◼   ► done

00:18:43 ◼   ► yeah exactly and I think that's interesting because part of the interest

00:18:48 ◼   ► here is the people who don't develop software can now have a product and on

00:18:54 ◼   ► the App Store, which is selling the artwork essentially for stickers and messages.

00:19:01 ◼   ► And this is going to be my repeated refrain, I think we talked about it last week a little

00:19:06 ◼   ► bit, but people are going to roll their eyes at all the silly things that are in messages

00:19:09 ◼   ► because I don't know, phones are serious, computers are serious, and we should take

00:19:13 ◼   ► them more seriously.

00:19:14 ◼   ► But the fact is, stickers are one of the wildly popular things in messaging services, where

00:19:20 ◼   ► apps like Line have made huge businesses at selling sticker packs as well as

00:19:26 ◼   ► giving away free stuff and so it's great that Apple is doing this and it's

00:19:31 ◼   ► great because like for example a podcast network like Relay that has made

00:19:36 ◼   ► stickers over the years, over the two years that Relay has been around

00:19:41 ◼   ► you know you can and I know somebody did somebody actually somebody at RelayCon

00:19:47 ◼   ► the event on Monday night took pictures of the stickers that we handed out there and

00:19:54 ◼   ► made a sticker pack with the pictures of the stickers. Just amazing.

00:19:59 ◼   ► Kind of amazing. Yeah, I'll find that, I'll put it in the show notes. I believe it was

00:20:02 ◼   ► a guy called Kim and he made an incredible, like, incredibly quickly put it together and

00:20:09 ◼   ► presented an iMessage sticker pack of the stickers that we gave out. It was, this is

00:20:14 ◼   ► showing like that how if you know what you're doing and even if you don't

00:20:19 ◼   ► really it's easy to get these things done and it makes me excited you know

00:20:23 ◼   ► like we're looking at how we could do more of that and put them into the relay

00:20:27 ◼   ► app so they can be using messages and and I loved an article that you wrote

00:20:31 ◼   ► actually on Macworld because it it kind of put into perspective and expanded on

00:20:39 ◼   ► something that I've been thinking about which is that sticker packs are a way

00:20:44 ◼   ► that Apple is demonstrating that they are moving with market forces. Right you

00:20:51 ◼   ► you saw me get the idea for this story. Did I? Yes at at the talk show I opened

00:20:59 ◼   ► up reminders and put in a note that said what how messages is like notes. I

00:21:05 ◼   ► remember that I remember that. And that's this that's this article because the

00:21:10 ◼   ► Well, the whole premise of the article is that, okay, we can all say why messages?

00:21:15 ◼   ► Why so much effort into messages?

00:21:17 ◼   ► And one of the reasons is, look back to Notes last year.

00:21:23 ◼   ► Notes, Apple said, some huge percentage of iPhone users use Notes.

00:21:28 ◼   ► And they basically had it, and they didn't say this on stage, but it was very clear.

00:21:31 ◼   ► They had a realization like, wow, if people are going to use this, we better make it good.

00:21:35 ◼   ► And they said on stage this year, "Messages is the most frequently used iOS app."

00:21:40 ◼   ► Like period.

00:21:41 ◼   ► Full stop, as you would say.

00:21:45 ◼   ► And well, geez, I guess we should put more effort into it if it's the number one app,

00:21:50 ◼   ► right?

00:21:51 ◼   ► And so, and look at, in a huge growing category where these other apps have great success

00:21:56 ◼   ► with a lot of these fun features that aren't in Messages.

00:22:00 ◼   ► And so that's the way they went.

00:22:02 ◼   ► That's where they decided to go.

00:22:04 ◼   ► And you can see they're following market trends, they're listening to how the users are using

00:22:08 ◼   ► their products. And if the users use, you know, no tech, it's like no battle plan survives

00:22:14 ◼   ► an encounter with the enemy, no technology survives an encounter unscathed with the users.

00:22:19 ◼   ► The users do, we've known this for decades. Users use computers and software for all sorts

00:22:24 ◼   ► of things that are not why it was made, right? And rather than going, "No, no, no, that's

00:22:28 ◼   ► not supported. Don't do that." What Apple's doing here is going like, "Oh, I guess people

00:22:32 ◼   ► really do want a good camera and the iPad, who knew? Or, oh I guess selfies are a thing,

00:22:36 ◼   ► maybe we should make that camera better. And upgrading notes fits in there and this year

00:22:41 ◼   ► upgrading messages fits right in there.

00:22:44 ◼   ► Like if you look at the App Store right now, it's kind of dominated by apps that are pretending

00:22:49 ◼   ► to be emoji, which are really just custom keyboards that are basically stickers. You

00:22:54 ◼   ► copy and paste an image into messages. There is, you know, and I assume Apple probably

00:23:00 ◼   ► would like those to be better supported better implemented and out of the top charts of the

00:23:06 ◼   ► App Store. Right. So they're creating a place now in that this is honestly why I believe

00:23:12 ◼   ► they created an iMessage store as well. So stuff like this doesn't like fill up the App

00:23:17 ◼   ► Store because it's like celebrity emoji and celebrity stickers. They're always going to

00:23:21 ◼   ► go straight to the top. You know Justin Bieber releases his pseudo emoji pack and it's like

00:23:25 ◼   ► straight up at number one. I think they would maybe like that to be away from there and

00:23:29 ◼   ► kind of because right now it's highlighting some weird implementation stuff that Apple

00:23:34 ◼   ► has right? Like the custom keyboards can't really, they can't paste images and stuff

00:23:39 ◼   ► like that so it looks a bit weird. So I think they're just trying to like "hey guys come

00:23:42 ◼   ► over here, like it's real nice over here, it's in the messages app, you can put your

00:23:46 ◼   ► stickers there". But I wanted to read a little quote there from your article which I thought

00:23:51 ◼   ► was quite poignant. You said "Technology has been repurposed by users for purposes far

00:23:55 ◼   ► beyond those intended by its creators from the very beginning. In the early days of the

00:23:59 ◼   ► the web I built pages inside of an email client. Today I edit podcasts using a tool designed

00:24:04 ◼   ► for music production." And I just thought, so true. It's like people find the things

00:24:10 ◼   ► they want to do and they bend the rules and they twist them and push them and take it

00:24:14 ◼   ► to their extremes and then the best thing for a company that makes this stuff to do

00:24:18 ◼   ► is to listen to those people, look at what they're doing and give them something that

00:24:22 ◼   ► allows them to create this stuff easier so they continue to push and bend and break in

00:24:27 ◼   ► of always. Yeah, yeah exactly right. I mean it's not always the case, there are always

00:24:31 ◼   ► examples where it's like well I don't want to break what this app is for in order to

00:24:35 ◼   ► use it in this other way. I understand that but I think there's just so much, in most

00:24:40 ◼   ► cases there's so much you can learn as the maker of any product about oh they're using

00:24:44 ◼   ► it that way, that's interesting, what does that tell me about my product? Can I do things

00:24:47 ◼   ► to make that better? And software is so flexible compared to like a tool you get at the hardware

00:24:53 ◼   ► store or something like that where you'll be like oh I didn't know you could use a hammer

00:24:56 ◼   ► for that. But it's still a hammer, it's just, it's gonna stay a hammer. With software you

00:25:02 ◼   ► can think differently about that and change what the product is or make a different version

00:25:09 ◼   ► of the product that does something a little bit different and I see Apple doing that right

00:25:14 ◼   ► now.

00:25:15 ◼   ► Geoff - Yep, 100%. One of the other things that I got from talking to people over the

00:25:20 ◼   ► week, it felt like overall it's been a pretty good year for enhancements for developers

00:25:26 ◼   ► without anything that has completely undermined them, you know.

00:25:29 ◼   ► There wasn't a feeling of like, oh no, Apple's given me six months of really hard work, you

00:25:33 ◼   ► know, like when they did like iOS 7 and stuff like that, which I thought we were going to

00:25:38 ◼   ► see something like that with a dark mode, but that hasn't happened.

00:25:43 ◼   ► What's quite funny in a turn of events, every piece of dark UI in iOS has turned white,

00:25:48 ◼   ► which I find kind of hilarious when I was expecting a dark mode and they just turned

00:25:51 ◼   ► it into lighter mode.

00:25:52 ◼   ► You could argue that maybe that was a sign that they were thinking about doing a darker mode so they lightened everything in the standard interface

00:25:58 ◼   ► So that's my hope. That is honestly that is my hope like it said we get it now and then later we get a dark mode

00:26:05 ◼   ► I don't think it will happen now until next year with this we have a potential OLED phone or yeah

00:26:12 ◼   ► That's that well

00:26:12 ◼   ► That would be the reason to do it right or or I mean you could see it in a 10.1 or a 10.2

00:26:17 ◼   ► Because I think we're all figuring that they're that they're gonna probably

00:26:20 ◼   ► do an update, at least we're all hoping, with some more especially iPad-y features midstream.

00:26:28 ◼   ► But yeah, yeah. Oh, I have one more thing. I had dinner with, it was Chinese food, right

00:26:35 ◼   ► after RelayCon, and you guys missed it, they closed, they locked the doors and turned off

00:26:38 ◼   ► the lights after we went in there.

00:26:39 ◼   ► Yeah, nice work.

00:26:40 ◼   ► Which is too bad. We didn't realize that they closed at 9 and we walked in at 8.59 and they

00:26:44 ◼   ► served us, but they closed and locked the doors. Anyway, one of the people at that table

00:26:48 ◼   ► was Craig Hockenberry and back to your point about developers feeling like this was good

00:26:54 ◼   ► and they weren't going to ruin their summer, I mean that's what Craig told me, Craig from

00:26:57 ◼   ► the Icon Factor, he was like, "I don't feel like my summer was ruined." I mean he said

00:27:02 ◼   ► it that way. And that is some years developers look at this and are like, "Oh man, we gotta

00:27:07 ◼   ► do so much and adopt all these things by the time the OS ships." And this time it's more

00:27:14 ◼   ► like a whole bunch of little things scattered throughout. I'm surprised that nobody has

00:27:18 ◼   ► made this, or I haven't seen a groundswell of support for the idea that this is what

00:27:24 ◼   ► we asked for in terms of OS updates, which is a whole bunch of little things pushing

00:27:28 ◼   ► the platform forward and not some giant new thing that breaks a lot of stuff.

00:27:34 ◼   ► I think we need to see how the rest of the year goes, you know, because I know that's

00:27:37 ◼   ► what we were asking for and what we believe that 9.3 was going to give us. I think after

00:27:42 ◼   ► maybe we see what 10.1, 10.2, 10.3, 10.4 could be, then I think we can make that claim. It

00:27:48 ◼   ► does feel like this is the start of that, right, because it's like super focused on

00:27:52 ◼   ► one app. I mean, I know they said there were 10 features in iOS, but really it was messages,

00:27:58 ◼   ► right? Like that was a real big one.

00:28:00 ◼   ► And the interface changes with the notifications. I mean, those are the big things that happened

00:28:04 ◼   ► in this. But it's good for developers. Developers like the fact that they, you know, Apple isn't

00:28:10 ◼   ► shipping something in a developer beta that is going to require them to completely re-implement

00:28:15 ◼   ► and overhaul their apps in order to get something out on chip day. It's not that kind of an

00:28:20 ◼   ► update and if you're a developer, you know, Apple can eat your summertime.

00:28:25 ◼   ► Oh yes.

00:28:26 ◼   ► So they were, I think there was a lot of relief from developers that this was cool stuff that

00:28:30 ◼   ► they liked and that they wanted to play with but that they didn't feel it was one of these

00:28:33 ◼   ► things where if they weren't there with a new app on day one they were going to be out

00:28:37 ◼   ► of luck.

00:28:39 ◼   ► One thing that's annoyed me is thinking about the Siri API and realizing that there's

00:28:43 ◼   ► no audio intent.

00:28:44 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, I'm sure Marco thinks that way too.

00:28:48 ◼   ► Yeah, I bet.

00:28:49 ◼   ► This is such an obvious one to do.

00:28:53 ◼   ► I can't work out why it's not here.

00:28:55 ◼   ► You know, like, so basically in case you're not familiar, the intents are the things that

00:28:59 ◼   ► you can do with what they're calling SiriKit, which I don't think they mentioned that

00:29:05 ◼   ► name on stage.

00:29:06 ◼   ► I think they called it the Siri API or did they call it SiriKit?

00:29:10 ◼   ► I don't think they called it SiriKit in the keynote.

00:29:12 ◼   ► No, I don't remember that either, but that is what it's called.

00:29:17 ◼   ► And there are things that you're able to do like VoIP calling, photo search, payments,

00:29:23 ◼   ► messaging, ride booking, workouts, and climate and radio, which is specifically designed

00:29:28 ◼   ► for CarPlay.

00:29:29 ◼   ► Also, something I didn't hear them mention, I just saw that on the documentation page.

00:29:33 ◼   ► So these are intent, these intents are, they remind me of the multitasking that came of

00:29:38 ◼   ► iOS 4.

00:29:39 ◼   ► It's like here are a bunch of things that we can do.

00:29:42 ◼   ► You can't do everything.

00:29:43 ◼   ► You have to be one of these types of applications.

00:29:45 ◼   ► And I think that audio is such an obvious one.

00:29:48 ◼   ► Like Siri play connected on overcast or Siri play Taylor Swift on Spotify.

00:29:57 ◼   ► It feels like an obvious one for audio but they haven't done it.

00:30:00 ◼   ► Which leads me to ask questions of why, which takes me down rabbit holes of like questioning

00:30:07 ◼   ► Apple as in like "did you do this because you don't want people to say play Taylor Swift

00:30:11 ◼   ► on Spotify?

00:30:12 ◼   ► Like why didn't you do this?"

00:30:13 ◼   ► I don't think so.

00:30:16 ◼   ► My guess is that they made a list of different categories that they wanted to support with

00:30:22 ◼   ► the Siri API and that the audio one just was below the list.

00:30:28 ◼   ► Like because they can't do it they can't do that.

00:30:29 ◼   ► I mean that's what I would assume. They can't do everything, you know, but it--

00:30:33 ◼   ► But they may also, there may be some sort of like internal bias of like, "Well we've

00:30:39 ◼   ► got Apple Music and Podcasts app and that's all anybody ever needs, so let's not worry

00:30:43 ◼   ► about it." But unfortunately, that's not true. You have people using Spotify and people using

00:30:50 ◼   ► Overcast, and wouldn't it be great if I could say, "Ahoy telephone, play the latest episode

00:30:54 ◼   ► of The Flop House in Overcast." And I can't.

00:30:57 ◼   ► Yeah, and I honestly think this is a big miss, and I hope that the next version of SiriKit gets this,

00:31:03 ◼   ► because this feels like the one that would really be useful to me for what I use my phone for,

00:31:09 ◼   ► in all honesty. I would like to be able to shout out.

00:31:13 ◼   ► I'm a little disappointed with how Siri has handled audio. I mean, you can get it to play

00:31:20 ◼   ► things if you are lucky using the existing stuff, but it's not... I would say it's not actually a lot

00:31:27 ◼   ► better than voice control which is the old, before there was Siri there was voice control

00:31:33 ◼   ► where with no internet connection you could do basic voice commands largely to just control

00:31:39 ◼   ► your audio and I feel like it hasn't really evolved a whole lot past that and I want it

00:31:44 ◼   ► to be more flexible and understand my playlist better or make guesses about what I want and

00:31:48 ◼   ► ask me if this is what I want and I still don't feel like it's great so I wonder if

00:31:56 ◼   ► feels like, I don't know, like this is, it's good enough now and they're not going to worry

00:32:00 ◼   ► about it, but it's ripe for this, I agree. Voice control, by the way, made a cameo on

00:32:04 ◼   ► stage during the keynote, and people have forgotten what it was and they're like, "Oh,

00:32:08 ◼   ► is that a new feature?" When, I think Craig held the button down too long, and it was

00:32:15 ◼   ► on a phone where Siri was disabled, and so, because it was a beta and a demo, and voice

00:32:20 ◼   ► control came up for a minute, and the guy behind me was like, "Voice control?" and I'm

00:32:24 ◼   ► thinking, yeah that's because it's, yeah, anyway, it's, it's not a new feature, it's

00:32:28 ◼   ► a very old feature. It's still there.

00:32:30 ◼   ► Good spot, I didn't notice that.

00:32:31 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:32:32 ◼   ► I really do have to look at ride booking, and I'm like, ride booking? Ride booking made

00:32:36 ◼   ► the list? Like, does anyone want to book a ride without seeing the UI of where they think

00:32:42 ◼   ► you're being picked up from and where you're going?

00:32:45 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:32:46 ◼   ► I look at that one and I'm like, that made it in over audio? I just don't get it.

00:32:50 ◼   ► I can come up with some theories about it, about what their priorities are, but what's

00:32:55 ◼   ► the use case of that? That you're somewhere where you can talk to your phone, but you

00:32:59 ◼   ► want to ride? You know, maybe it's related to map-related stuff. I don't know. Maybe

00:33:08 ◼   ► it does come down to that, Myke, which is that Apple doesn't do ride booking, and Apple

00:33:13 ◼   ► does do music, and so they feel like the need is less, because we have these great Apple

00:33:17 ◼   ► music and podcast app solutions for you but that's the first thing I thought of obviously

00:33:22 ◼   ► as a not as just as a podcast maker but as a podcast and music listener that having the

00:33:27 ◼   ► ability to I was thinking specifically of Overcast being able to control that when I'm

00:33:31 ◼   ► in the car and tell the lady to play a different podcast or whatever and you know and ultimately

00:33:38 ◼   ► tell my Apple watch to do that too that would be great but it's not not yet not yet they've

00:33:43 ◼   ► said, it's very clear this is going to be like multitasking where they start with a

00:33:46 ◼   ► very narrow range and then they expand from there because they're building out these intents

00:33:50 ◼   ► where the developer doesn't have to parse any of the language. That's all good, that's

00:33:56 ◼   ► all good, it's just that these are the ones they chose to start with and I think it's

00:33:59 ◼   ► fair to say "huh?" to a few of the decisions about which ones to support.

00:34:05 ◼   ► So I think we didn't see any of at WWDC, I think the surprise from some was hardware.

00:34:11 ◼   ► No hardware announced at all. I was expecting at least something irrespective of what was

00:34:17 ◼   ► being said.

00:34:18 ◼   ► Yeah, I think in the end, I mean we've said it before, hardware is not mandatory at WWDC,

00:34:24 ◼   ► it's not like they don't do it, but they don't have to do it because it really is about the

00:34:28 ◼   ► software and they made the point, we've got four platforms at this point, it was so packed

00:34:34 ◼   ► that they moved the developer announcements out.

00:34:37 ◼   ► There was a bunch of other stuff

00:34:38 ◼   ► that kind of was below the radar

00:34:40 ◼   ► because it's just not, you know, it didn't fit.

00:34:45 ◼   ► It was a packed two hours and Apple is firm at two hours.

00:34:49 ◼   ► Like they don't wanna go over two hours.

00:34:51 ◼   ► And so I'm sure at some point,

00:34:54 ◼   ► based on the rumors, I think there's some hardware

00:34:57 ◼   ► that's basically ready that they could have announced

00:35:01 ◼   ► and that they would have announced

00:35:03 ◼   ► they didn't have a lot of other things to say, but they did. They filled the keynote,

00:35:07 ◼   ► so just save it and announce it. Who knows, maybe they'll announce it this week or next

00:35:13 ◼   ► week. It might be soon if they've got hardware that is in production that might be ready

00:35:18 ◼   ► to go and ship in July or something like that. They could do that later and then make another

00:35:23 ◼   ► little splash. But I think bottom line, it felt to me like that keynote was completely

00:35:29 ◼   ► packed and Federighi said as much at the talk show and I believe them that it's just like

00:35:35 ◼   ► if you've got so much OS stuff to tell developers at WWDC save your hardware for another time.

00:35:42 ◼   ► So I would like you to look into your crystal brain ball and predict. You touched the brain

00:35:48 ◼   ► ball again. Every year I need to hold it to drain my power you know I can need it for

00:35:55 ◼   ► the rest of the year.

00:35:56 ◼   ► >> Well, I also stole your power because we did a Bono Tim Cook finger touch.

00:36:01 ◼   ► >> We did.

00:36:02 ◼   ► >> I made you do that.

00:36:03 ◼   ► And everybody around went, "No, don't do it!"

00:36:04 ◼   ► And you did it.

00:36:05 ◼   ► And it's like, "Nah, I stole your soul."

00:36:06 ◼   ► All right, I got the brain ball here.

00:36:08 ◼   ► >> All right, so I want to get from you, I have four items here, and I want you to tell

00:36:12 ◼   ► me when you think they're going to be out.

00:36:15 ◼   ► Watch 2.

00:36:18 ◼   ► >> Announced September, arriving October.

00:36:22 ◼   ► >> And you think that will be announced with the next iPhone, I assume?

00:36:25 ◼   ► Yeah, when when we see the new MacBook Pro with the OLED sensor bar touch display thing

00:36:31 ◼   ► July new Mac Pro

00:36:35 ◼   ► Sounds a little bit more difficult

00:36:40 ◼   ► summer

00:36:42 ◼   ► How do we keep score on these?

00:36:44 ◼   ► Someone will somebody out there keep score

00:36:47 ◼   ► cinema display

00:36:50 ◼   ► Same time as the Mac Pro, so they'll come together in the summer

00:36:53 ◼   ► So, basically we're looking at new MacBook Pro in July, the Watch 2 in September, and

00:37:01 ◼   ► sometime in between new Mac Pro with the cinema display.

00:37:05 ◼   ► Or at the same time as the MacBook Pro, but that might be later.

00:37:08 ◼   ► Those are my guesses.

00:37:09 ◼   ► I have no information here.

00:37:10 ◼   ► If I had information I would be cagey about it, but I have no information.

00:37:12 ◼   ► I'm going on seeing the rumor reports and making some guesses, but that would be my

00:37:16 ◼   ► guess is that the rumor about the MacBook Pro especially is that it's coming, and if

00:37:21 ◼   ► If that's true, it's probably going to be announced soon.

00:37:24 ◼   ► Like I said, I wouldn't be shocked if they announce it in the next few weeks and say

00:37:27 ◼   ► it's shipping immediately or shipping in a few weeks after that.

00:37:31 ◼   ► The Mac Pro, you know, I don't know the vagaries of Intel chip availability and the way they're

00:37:37 ◼   ► going to turn it around, but there seems to be a lot of conversation about the Mac Pro

00:37:40 ◼   ► and the cinema display.

00:37:41 ◼   ► That could slip, it could be anywhere until like December before they do it, but I hope

00:37:47 ◼   ► it's sooner than that.

00:37:48 ◼   ► to wish cast a little bit and say summer whether it's at the same time as the

00:37:52 ◼   ► MacBook Pro or maybe it's just something that happens in August when there's not

00:37:55 ◼   ► a lot going on and they drop a new Mac Pro because that's not... Mac Pros aren't

00:38:00 ◼   ► really tied to buying cycles in some ways as much it's not a consumer product

00:38:06 ◼   ► at the same time it's so old the version that's out there now that they've got to

00:38:10 ◼   ► feel some pressure to turn it over with a new one but if it's doing Thunderbolt

00:38:17 ◼   ► 3 and if there's a display that's coming that is based on

00:38:22 ◼   ► Thunderbolt 3 and they're going to roll out Thunderbolt 3 with the MacBook

00:38:26 ◼   ► Pros, perhaps what's happening here is that there are some constraints like

00:38:30 ◼   ► they want everything they want to be able to tell this story and have

00:38:34 ◼   ► confidence that the products will ship and it may be that that that's just not

00:38:37 ◼   ► happening yet and so some of the stuff has been delayed because they can't be

00:38:43 ◼   ► sure that they're going to be able to ship them in or in ship them in

00:38:46 ◼   ► quantity but those are my guesses.

00:38:49 ◼   ► Somebody keep score.

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00:41:05 ◼   ► I think that me and you are both the most excited about watch OS 3. I

00:41:10 ◼   ► Know I am that's the one I want to try the most. Yeah, I have to install iOS 10 to do it. So

00:41:16 ◼   ► I don't know how I feel about that. I don't think I want to put out my phone yet

00:41:19 ◼   ► That's the killer is I don't want to put iOS 10 beta 1 on my phone and that's what's required for me to get I mean

00:41:26 ◼   ► I could install it on another device and have and and pair it there

00:41:31 ◼   ► But then the data is coming from that one

00:41:33 ◼   ► I leave the house without the other phone and then it doesn't

00:41:36 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah because I am excited about it I ended up writing actually it's funny

00:41:42 ◼   ► I wrote there's a in fact somebody somebody took a panorama of the new Apple Store at Union Square

00:41:47 ◼   ► And then and then said oh I got Jason writing an article at the new Apple Store at Union Square in my panorama

00:41:54 ◼   ► And he he tweeted it to me. It's very funny, and he it was me. I was there. I I had some time between

00:42:01 ◼   ► I was in in the morning and I had a lunch, but I had like a couple of hours and I worked and I wrote, I think that Macworld column that we referenced earlier, I wrote at a Starbucks south of Market and then I was done with that and I still had time. I still had like an hour and a half before my lunch.

00:42:22 ◼   ► and it's morning, people who are out late the night before,

00:42:26 ◼   ► they're all asleep.

00:42:27 ◼   ► So I went to the Apple store, I thought,

00:42:29 ◼   ► "Oh, well I haven't been to the new Apple store,

00:42:31 ◼   ► "I'll go to the new Apple store."

00:42:32 ◼   ► So I did that and I was walking around

00:42:33 ◼   ► and I saw the Genius Grove and had a chuckle at the--

00:42:36 ◼   ► - Isn't it beautiful though?

00:42:37 ◼   ► - The trees, it is, it is, it's amazing.

00:42:38 ◼   ► It was a windy day so they didn't have the big doors open,

00:42:41 ◼   ► but just a, it's beautiful.

00:42:43 ◼   ► - I actually met, it's so funny,

00:42:45 ◼   ► like we were joking, Gray was joking a bunch

00:42:49 ◼   ► about like meat and apple, right?

00:42:50 ◼   ► You know like Angelina Arons was saying

00:42:52 ◼   ► that she believes people will meet at Apple.

00:42:54 ◼   ► We met Gray at Apple, me, Steven,

00:42:57 ◼   ► and we hung out there for a while.

00:42:59 ◼   ► And then we met a few other people there,

00:43:01 ◼   ► Kyle's the Gray and Spencer came

00:43:04 ◼   ► and we were all hanging out for a bit.

00:43:06 ◼   ► And it was like, oh, we are meeting at Apple

00:43:08 ◼   ► because that store is just so perfect to hang out in.

00:43:13 ◼   ► - And it's huge and it overlooks the center,

00:43:16 ◼   ► you know, Union Square, which is pretty.

00:43:20 ◼   ► And yeah, I was impressed.

00:43:22 ◼   ► It definitely is, and it feels like an evolution

00:43:25 ◼   ► of the Apple store we know, but it was,

00:43:27 ◼   ► and especially WWDC Week,

00:43:29 ◼   ► 'cause I ran into Manton Reese there.

00:43:32 ◼   ► I ran into so many people because everybody,

00:43:34 ◼   ► all the nerds were coming up, including me, to see it

00:43:38 ◼   ► at some point during the week.

00:43:40 ◼   ► - So I'm very excited because the Regent Street Store

00:43:43 ◼   ► for many, many months, nearly a year now,

00:43:47 ◼   ► has had just the basement open.

00:43:50 ◼   ► So they closed the rest of the store

00:43:52 ◼   ► and turned the basement into a small store.

00:43:54 ◼   ► Last week, they closed the Regent Street store completely

00:43:59 ◼   ► for the renovations.

00:44:00 ◼   ► So they must be close now to reopening it

00:44:04 ◼   ► with the new design.

00:44:06 ◼   ► And I can only imagine that this one

00:44:08 ◼   ► is going to be stupendous.

00:44:10 ◼   ► If my facts are correct,

00:44:12 ◼   ► the Regent Street store is still the Apple store

00:44:15 ◼   ► that earns the most by square foot.

00:44:17 ◼   ► And it's always been, I think, one of the jewels

00:44:21 ◼   ► in the crown that Apple have, it's so beautiful.

00:44:24 ◼   ► And I cannot wait to see it.

00:44:26 ◼   ► I've actually heard and seen things online

00:44:28 ◼   ► that they're removing the Apple logos

00:44:30 ◼   ► from the front of the store.

00:44:32 ◼   ► - Interesting.

00:44:33 ◼   ► - I wonder how they're gonna play it

00:44:34 ◼   ► because they haven't got a big sheet of metal

00:44:36 ◼   ► to stamp the foil, you know, you get the mirrored one

00:44:39 ◼   ► that they have on the Union Square one.

00:44:41 ◼   ► So I'm really excited to see it.

00:44:42 ◼   ► And as soon as I see it reopening,

00:44:44 ◼   ► I'm gonna head down there and take a look because I think it's gonna be pretty incredible.

00:44:49 ◼   ► Yeah, the Union Square store because it's got the aluminum panels on the side with the

00:44:53 ◼   ► shiny apple logo, it looks like the store looks like a big apple product, which is funny,

00:45:01 ◼   ► and it's just a whole big glass front and it's good. Anyway, my point is, because we

00:45:05 ◼   ► kind of we veered over into new Apple stores for a minute there, is that I wrote this piece

00:45:10 ◼   ► about being excited about watchOS 3 at Apple, so to speak, at the Apple Store. I just sat

00:45:18 ◼   ► down because I wandered around and I saw everything and then I thought, well I've got a little

00:45:22 ◼   ► time and I have this idea for a story that maybe I can, you know, I usually sit at my

00:45:28 ◼   ► desk and write things but I was roaming around San Francisco and I thought, okay, can I do

00:45:32 ◼   ► this? So I sat down with my iPad at a table at the Apple Store and I wrote this piece

00:45:37 ◼   ► which is, you know, the idea that Apple Watch is like a do-over for WatchOS. This is the

00:45:46 ◼   ► real opportunity for Apple to reinvent. Like we said last week, and like I've been saying

00:45:52 ◼   ► all along, it's like, will Apple take the opportunity to basically say, "Okay, do-over,

00:45:58 ◼   ► we got some things wrong, we're gonna make it better, we've rethought how we approach

00:46:03 ◼   ► Apple Watch essentially for the first time because watchOS 2 was really an incremental

00:46:09 ◼   ► update to the original software that was on the watch. And they did, they took that opportunity

00:46:15 ◼   ► and boy I do wish I could install it today on my watch, I just don't want to install

00:46:19 ◼   ► iOS 10 beta 1 on my iPhone.

00:46:22 ◼   ► Yeah I don't want to do that either. And I recommend that most people don't unless they

00:46:27 ◼   ► have a device that it's good for, you know. I wouldn't put it on my main phone right now.

00:46:33 ◼   ► I have an old Air 2, which I'm going to put 10 on to.

00:46:37 ◼   ► And then maybe I usually jump on around Beta 3 or Beta 4, or the public Beta.

00:46:44 ◼   ► So I haven't decided what we're going to go yet.

00:46:46 ◼   ► The public Beta, is that July or August?

00:46:49 ◼   ► I think it's July.

00:46:50 ◼   ► July, okay.

00:46:51 ◼   ► So look, maybe after Beta 2, right?

00:46:53 ◼   ► They've thrown the public Beta out there.

00:46:55 ◼   ► I think, as you mentioned, this is a complete do-over.

00:46:58 ◼   ► and I think it's so clear that Apple have shown

00:47:02 ◼   ► not only that they are paying attention

00:47:03 ◼   ► to how people use the device,

00:47:05 ◼   ► but also they've had more time with it.

00:47:07 ◼   ► You know, I'm sure that the original WatchOS

00:47:10 ◼   ► was maybe mostly developed

00:47:12 ◼   ► without people having the watch, right?

00:47:15 ◼   ► Like there wasn't a product for them to use,

00:47:18 ◼   ► so they developed it in a way

00:47:20 ◼   ► that they believed it would be good.

00:47:21 ◼   ► And they got a lot of it right, but a lot of it wrong.

00:47:24 ◼   ► And honestly, WatchOS 3 fixes so many

00:47:28 ◼   ► those things. Like the friends button and not having to use the honeycomb and the fact

00:47:34 ◼   ► that glances and notifications and apps kind of felt like a mess when you put all three

00:47:37 ◼   ► of them together, you don't need them all. And fixing all of that stuff, it really shows

00:47:43 ◼   ► a company that luckily and has gone against what I think we're all worried about, is

00:47:48 ◼   ► not going to just double down on the things that they didn't get right and that they're

00:47:53 ◼   ► able to move on from it. And it seems like that battery life was the thing that was originally

00:47:58 ◼   ► holding them back. And Federighi basically said as much during the talk show.

00:48:02 ◼   ► I think he even said, like, we were afraid or to the point of panic that we were gonna

00:48:08 ◼   ► not have enough battery on this thing. And so they obviously made a priority, the battery

00:48:15 ◼   ► life. Like, do whatever you do, battery comes first. And as a result, we got a device that

00:48:21 ◼   ► for most people, I think, doesn't use remotely all of the battery in a day. I know there

00:48:27 ◼   ► are some exceptions to that I've heard people who say that but certainly the

00:48:30 ◼   ► you know the people that I I know and and in my personal experience my battery

00:48:36 ◼   ► life on the watch is spectacular like they overshot and I think that for an

00:48:41 ◼   ► average user they totally did overshot Federighi said that he said that there

00:48:44 ◼   ► was extra RAM too they were really worried about about memory and and and

00:48:49 ◼   ► they took their best shot because they were afraid you never know how people

00:48:52 ◼   ► are going to use a product again and then they've looked over the last you

00:48:56 ◼   ► know, year and a half and realized, "Oh, we overshot." And that means, that means,

00:49:03 ◼   ► here's the amazing thing about watchOS 3 and why. A lot of times, we were talking about

00:49:06 ◼   ► this when we were speculating about watchOS 3 and like, would they be able to do these

00:49:10 ◼   ► things on the existing hardware or would there need to be new hardware? And the assumption

00:49:15 ◼   ► you make is that there's only so much you can do with the existing hardware because

00:49:21 ◼   ► they you know you can't upgrade the hardware. It is what it is and you can write software

00:49:26 ◼   ► that's a little more efficient but there's only so much you can get out of that. This

00:49:30 ◼   ► watchOS 3 is like a hardware upgrade for existing Apple watches because they were writing in

00:49:36 ◼   ► an envelope that was way inside the actual capabilities of the hardware because they

00:49:41 ◼   ► didn't know how people would use it and whether they would really be inside that envelope

00:49:46 ◼   ► or not. So they gave themselves a lot of leeway and with watchOS 3 they're opening it up.

00:49:50 ◼   ► So essentially, the watchOS 3 is like everybody who has got an Apple watch suddenly got a

00:49:56 ◼   ► bigger battery and more memory on their device.

00:49:59 ◼   ► Yep.

00:50:00 ◼   ► Federighi actually said we had RAM to spare.

00:50:02 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:50:03 ◼   ► Right?

00:50:04 ◼   ► And it was like, that was one of those things like, "Oh, don't say it!

00:50:06 ◼   ► Like I'm pleased you did, but maybe you shouldn't have."

00:50:09 ◼   ► And it basically feels like they, as you say, they were just, you know like the 10% of the

00:50:14 ◼   ► brain thing?

00:50:15 ◼   ► You know, like you only use 10% of your brain?

00:50:17 ◼   ► That's how it felt like with the watch, right?

00:50:19 ◼   ► only using 10% of the watch and now they have the ability to like really stretch

00:50:23 ◼   ► out like I left San Francisco I woke up in San Francisco at like 8 a.m. 7 a.m.

00:50:29 ◼   ► something like that and I arrived home in London at 10 p.m. London time and my

00:50:34 ◼   ► watch was still going that's not needed I'm really happy that it was like that

00:50:39 ◼   ► but it doesn't need to last that long it's effectively two days yeah and the

00:50:44 ◼   ► only time that less battery life would ever hurt me is in that exact instance and even

00:50:50 ◼   ► then I'm like I can live with that. I have a battery pack with me at all times. I can

00:50:53 ◼   ► just charge my watch for five minutes like I do my phone. I'm totally cool in those scenarios.

00:50:59 ◼   ► And I think Apple has looked at the user profiles of battery life and has said look if you're

00:51:04 ◼   ► somebody who has the small watch and you use the fitness features a lot you may have a

00:51:08 ◼   ► battery problem with watchOS 3 but you're an outlier like way outside of the mainstream

00:51:14 ◼   ► and we've decided that from now on, like, if you're in that user profile, you're gonna

00:51:18 ◼   ► have to top it up. You're just, you're not gonna get through the day. But there are so

00:51:22 ◼   ► many people who will benefit from this that we're gonna make that decision. And they may

00:51:27 ◼   ► never even say that, but I think that's gonna be the case, is that there are gonna be some

00:51:30 ◼   ► people who are using, especially the smaller watch, and use the fitness features, and are

00:51:35 ◼   ► going to say, "Oh, now I can't get through a day." And those people will be sad and mad,

00:51:41 ◼   ► but their watch will be better, and including fitness features, will be better, and the

00:51:45 ◼   ► trade-off may be that for that small percentage of people, they do need to top it up or make

00:51:53 ◼   ► sure that they leave it on the charger a little bit longer before they leave in the morning

00:51:57 ◼   ► or whatever. But I think not seeing numbers, just looking at anecdotal evidence, there

00:52:04 ◼   ► are exceptions like that, but most of the people I talk to about it say they've got

00:52:09 ◼   ► battery to spare and Apple seems to say the same thing so they're gonna use it.

00:52:13 ◼   ► And learning how we use them and trying to make data more instantly available

00:52:17 ◼   ► you know learning about complications and glances and stuff like that. The

00:52:21 ◼   ► whole idea of the first-class apps is so smart and and and and I think has to be

00:52:26 ◼   ► informed by everybody using this for for you know a year and realizing I mean

00:52:32 ◼   ► they started on this work a year ago they said but still they had at least

00:52:34 ◼   ► three months of this product out in the field before they even set down this

00:52:38 ◼   ► path and I think it would have been clear to them fairly quickly like, "Oh, plus, like

00:52:44 ◼   ► you said, probably a lot of these decisions were made before they even had the hardware

00:52:48 ◼   ► and then they tweaked it as they go." It's hard, I would imagine it was hard to reverse,

00:52:52 ◼   ► completely reverse some decisions as they were moving towards ship, but now they have

00:52:57 ◼   ► the opportunity to do that. And so now you look at it and you say, "Okay, apps and

00:53:04 ◼   ► glances that's confusing there are too many apps being installed especially if

00:53:08 ◼   ► you if you have the auto install on things don't update on time how do we

00:53:11 ◼   ► solve this and the answer is we're going to create a tiered system of apps where

00:53:15 ◼   ► if an app if a user shows preference for an app by putting it in the dock or by

00:53:22 ◼   ► putting it on a on a watch face as a complication then it's a first-class app

00:53:27 ◼   ► it gets to remain in memory it gets to run in the background and update its

00:53:32 ◼   ► data, all these things that no apps basically got to do before. And then every other app

00:53:39 ◼   ► that's just sitting there on your watch in the honeycomb, it's like, it's there if you

00:53:42 ◼   ► want it and you're going to launch it and you'll have to wait for it to launch. But

00:53:46 ◼   ► those eight apps or five apps or whatever number, small number of apps that you actually

00:53:52 ◼   ► use, the ones that are on your watch face, like my weather complication that I looked

00:53:56 ◼   ► at the other day, or looked at yesterday and it was like 85 degrees and I looked at my

00:53:59 ◼   ► watch and it said 71 and I tapped on the complication and it spun for like 40

00:54:05 ◼   ► seconds and it finally loaded the app and then I switch back to the

00:54:08 ◼   ► complication and it said 85 degrees. In watchOS 3 that being on the

00:54:14 ◼   ► complication on my watch face is enough for the OS to say "oh, you app, stay

00:54:20 ◼   ► alive and periodically I'm going to ask you to update your data because this is

00:54:24 ◼   ► important" and that's that's going to be huge

00:54:26 ◼   ► it's a huge difference just doing that.

00:54:30 ◼   ► I'm really excited to use this. Yeah I think anybody with an Apple Watch, I

00:54:34 ◼   ► think this is gonna be a big win for for everybody

00:54:36 ◼   ► and yes it will drive me to install

00:54:41 ◼   ► an iOS 10 beta on my main iPhone

00:54:45 ◼   ► way sooner than I should because I want to use this

00:54:49 ◼   ► but not yet. Beta 1?

00:54:52 ◼   ► No, yeah maybe, I think maybe I'm gonna go public beta on my phone but you know, we'll

00:54:59 ◼   ► see if I can hold out that long because I really want to use this.

00:55:03 ◼   ► Is there a public beta of the watch?

00:55:04 ◼   ► Because you might not be able to do it.

00:55:07 ◼   ► No, no but I bet I could do the profile and install from the public beta tends to be the

00:55:12 ◼   ► same build as a developer beta and then if I use the developer build of the watch from

00:55:19 ◼   ► the public beta, I assume that'll work or I'll just use the developer equivalent of

00:55:24 ◼   ► the public beta if it comes to that, but let's see if I can hold out that long because just

00:55:27 ◼   ► talking about it now I'm just so excited about it. This is a rare example of, I mean it's

00:55:34 ◼   ► going to be a huge update for a product that as we've talked about before, I like it, you

00:55:39 ◼   ► like it, we use them every day, but this ticks all the right boxes, right? This is exactly

00:55:47 ◼   ► what they needed to do, it looks like. Sometimes you look at upgrades and lists of features

00:55:55 ◼   ► and you go, "Huh, why? Why these features?" And sometimes with things like messages you're

00:56:03 ◼   ► like, "Oh well, I see why it's the most popular and there's all these other categories. Got

00:56:06 ◼   ► it, got it." With a watchOS update, you look at it as a watch user and you're like, "Oh

00:56:11 ◼   ► they, yeah, they got it. They got exactly, exactly what they needed to do is what they're

00:56:17 ◼   ► doing. Like, they, obviously everybody involved has gone through everything that all the rest

00:56:23 ◼   ► of us have gone through and realized that what they need to do and, you know, that seems

00:56:28 ◼   ► obvious, except a lot of times that doesn't happen, right? A lot of times you're like,

00:56:32 ◼   ► "Why did you do this?" and not like, I heard somebody was talking quite rightly about messages

00:56:38 ◼   ► and they said, "Okay, all these stickers are great. Are you going to fix all of the sync

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00:59:06 ◼   ► Woo.

00:59:07 ◼   ► Got quite a few questions this week

00:59:09 ◼   ► based upon last week's announcements.

00:59:11 ◼   ► Luke says, "What do you think the Apple's timetable

00:59:14 ◼   ► will be for adding new app categories to Siri?"

00:59:17 ◼   ► Maybe a slide during the September event.

00:59:19 ◼   ► So this is more stuff to Siri get.

00:59:21 ◼   ► When am I gonna get my audio API?

00:59:22 ◼   ► I think we're looking at next year, personally.

00:59:25 ◼   ► I think so. I think that's iOS 11.

00:59:29 ◼   ► Which is a real shame, but I can't see them putting anything more into this until then.

00:59:33 ◼   ► They want some time to see how it's used.

00:59:35 ◼   ► Yeah, outside shot at iOS 10.2 or something like that in the spring, but I think it's

00:59:40 ◼   ► more likely that they're going to want to sit on the ones that they've implemented and

00:59:44 ◼   ► see how they're used and learn from them and use that as the basis for deciding where they

00:59:48 ◼   ► go from there.

00:59:49 ◼   ► Yep, definitely. I completely agree with you. I think they would have it if it was ready

00:59:55 ◼   ► they're not going to do it now.

00:59:57 ◼   ► Kian asked, "Any thoughts on the removals of widgets

00:59:59 ◼   ► "from Notification Center?"

01:00:01 ◼   ► This is one of the interesting things you find out

01:00:03 ◼   ► as the week goes on.

01:00:04 ◼   ► Currently, in beta one of iOS 10,

01:00:08 ◼   ► the widgets that you have, so your,

01:00:11 ◼   ► the Today View widgets as they used to be called,

01:00:13 ◼   ► now I think they're just called widgets,

01:00:15 ◼   ► they will show on your lock screen when you swipe,

01:00:18 ◼   ► is it right, how would you call it?

01:00:19 ◼   ► When you want to get to the left panel.

01:00:21 ◼   ► - You want to get to the left, you swipe left to right

01:00:22 ◼   ► and you move over one to the left panel.

01:00:26 ◼   ► - Left to right, you get your widgets.

01:00:28 ◼   ► Currently, when you pull down notification center

01:00:30 ◼   ► when your iPhone is unlocked,

01:00:31 ◼   ► you cannot swipe left to get your widgets anymore.

01:00:34 ◼   ► I have heard, I don't know if this was official,

01:00:37 ◼   ► but I was hearing this all over the place during WWDC week

01:00:41 ◼   ► that these are gonna return in beta two.

01:00:43 ◼   ► Did you hear that?

01:00:45 ◼   ► - I haven't heard that, but that sort of makes sense

01:00:47 ◼   ► because if you wanna have access to them

01:00:50 ◼   ► from inside an app because you can also access them

01:00:54 ◼   ► from the first, they're the page to the left

01:00:57 ◼   ► of the first page of the home screen.

01:00:58 ◼   ► So the one place where they aren't is if you're in an app.

01:01:05 ◼   ► If you're in an app, you can't get to them.

01:01:08 ◼   ► So if they put it back, that makes sense

01:01:10 ◼   ► because that lets you access those widgets

01:01:12 ◼   ► from inside another app without leaving it

01:01:15 ◼   ► by swiping down, so that makes sense.

01:01:18 ◼   ► - Definitely does. - But I haven't heard that.

01:01:19 ◼   ► I was hearing it all over the place with people talking about it.

01:01:22 ◼   ► So I assume it's official or it's just a little rumour.

01:01:25 ◼   ► We'll find out.

01:01:26 ◼   ► Nathan wants to know, are there any minor features that came out during the week that

01:01:29 ◼   ► caught your eye?

01:01:30 ◼   ► So this is one of my favourite things about the days after a WWDC keynote.

01:01:35 ◼   ► People install the betas and they find out little tidbits that hadn't been previously

01:01:39 ◼   ► spoken about.

01:01:40 ◼   ► So I have a couple.

01:01:41 ◼   ► The new folder animation I like a lot.

01:01:44 ◼   ► It looks really nice when you use it, especially on an iPad.

01:01:48 ◼   ► the thing I like the most about it is that you still see your background when you open

01:01:53 ◼   ► a folder. It doesn't do the zooming in to the folder anymore, the folder zooms out from

01:01:57 ◼   ► the home screen. It's a slight change but for me it's a nice one as opposed to getting

01:02:03 ◼   ► a weirdly cropped view of your background. And also the animation looks great, it doesn't

01:02:08 ◼   ► do that thing anymore which I'm going to tell you this, if you haven't seen this, this is

01:02:12 ◼   ► going to be upsetting for you.

01:02:14 ◼   ► Spoilers. Spoilers for iOS.

01:02:17 ◼   ► for your eyes, if you look at the, if you open a folder and close a folder, you can

01:02:23 ◼   ► watch the corner radius's change.

01:02:24 ◼   ► Oh no.

01:02:25 ◼   ► They just flick for a second, and it is a horrifying thing if you catch it.

01:02:31 ◼   ► Doesn't happen always, but every now and then you'll see just the corner radius is

01:02:35 ◼   ► flicked just for a moment as the folder changes.

01:02:37 ◼   ► That doesn't happen anymore.

01:02:39 ◼   ► They'll figure that out.

01:02:40 ◼   ► I want to link, we'll put it in the show notes, to Serenity, our friend, Serenity Caldwell,

01:02:46 ◼   ► wrote a very nice piece on iMore about the design language changes in iOS 10 and we will

01:02:51 ◼   ► talk about this more over the summer I'm sure because it's one of my favorite things about

01:02:56 ◼   ► iOS 10 and your folder animation is a good example of it where one of the things that

01:03:00 ◼   ► they've decided to do is have this approach of items coming forward to you instead of

01:03:08 ◼   ► having this kind of zoom and fade down. They're one of the things that was a feature of their

01:03:15 ◼   ► iOS 8 and iOS 7? Which was the one that first ditched skeuomorphism?

01:03:21 ◼   ► 7.

01:03:22 ◼   ► It was 7. One of the features about that that I always liked was this idea of the semi-translucent

01:03:29 ◼   ► sheet. So you would see things obscured, but it wouldn't dim, they would just become fuzzed

01:03:36 ◼   ► out in the background. And iOS 10 does a lot more of that, and I think in a good way, where

01:03:43 ◼   ► got stuff in the foreground and other stuff in the background. The folder

01:03:46 ◼   ► animation is an example of that where you know the background stays where it

01:03:50 ◼   ► is and the folder kind of comes forward in the background just kind of gets

01:03:53 ◼   ► fuzzed out and I think maybe it helps with your mental geography of the system

01:03:58 ◼   ► that the stuff is mostly staying where it is and this thing is just

01:04:03 ◼   ► moving up toward you and then it moves it recedes back but Serenity has a nice

01:04:07 ◼   ► piece about all of the design language changes that are happening in

01:04:11 ◼   ► iOS 10 that people should check out. Yeah that's a good piece and yeah there is a lot

01:04:17 ◼   ► of interesting stuff going on there. Yeah. I'm waiting for it to one settle in for me

01:04:22 ◼   ► and two settle into the betas. I want to see how beta two looks before I think about beta

01:04:26 ◼   ► one too much because history has shown that any UI changes get some tweaks. Yeah I think

01:04:33 ◼   ► once they're in production everybody looks at them and goes I don't know about this and

01:04:35 ◼   ► they do make some changes in the betas for sure. Anybody who's ever written anything

01:04:39 ◼   ► by the way, inside baseball here, about iOS or Mac OS or whatever. Yeah, you write your

01:04:47 ◼   ► book or whatever or your review and you take screenshots and you know that you have to

01:04:50 ◼   ► take all the screenshots again at the end of the process when the thing ships because

01:04:55 ◼   ► it changes during the betas. Like visual changes happen and you know, you may not notice if

01:05:01 ◼   ► you're using it day to day or if you're just reading about it, but if you write about it,

01:05:04 ◼   ► let me tell you, you absolutely notice. Any screenshots you take today while you're writing

01:05:09 ◼   ► up your book about iOS 10, you're gonna have to take them again in September. It's just

01:05:13 ◼   ► gonna happen because they will tweak it as they go, which is good. They should tweak

01:05:16 ◼   ► it. It's, you know, the design is as tweakable as the code is, really, if you're trying to

01:05:21 ◼   ► decide like, "Oh, that doesn't work. Let's make some changes there."

01:05:25 ◼   ► I also like that there is a new Spotlight UI on the iPad. So when you hit Command Space

01:05:31 ◼   ► on a keyboard now, it doesn't actually take you back to the home. It doesn't take you

01:05:37 ◼   ► back to the home anymore, it's the same for command tab, it just overlays, fantastic.

01:05:42 ◼   ► So great, yeah that was always kind of a bizarre thing where you'd hit command space and it

01:05:46 ◼   ► would move you to the home screen and then bring up search.

01:05:51 ◼   ► And that animation was timing you'd be typing.

01:05:54 ◼   ► Exactly.

01:05:55 ◼   ► You don't need to do that anymore, so I'm really excited about that.

01:05:58 ◼   ► It's very smart, it shows some consideration.

01:06:01 ◼   ► I'm going to throw out my favorite minor feature.

01:06:05 ◼   ► I think widgets in general, they talked about them, but I think they've got a lot of potential.

01:06:10 ◼   ► I'm excited about them.

01:06:11 ◼   ► But one of my pet features is getting addressed, which is if you have an external keyboard

01:06:18 ◼   ► attached to an iPad and you go to settings, keyboard, you will see a submenu for external

01:06:25 ◼   ► hardware keyboard.

01:06:26 ◼   ► I think it's called hardware keyboard.

01:06:29 ◼   ► it lets you turn autocorrect and autocapitalization on or off for the hardware keyboard.

01:06:37 ◼   ► That's great.

01:06:38 ◼   ► It's so great. It's so great because, you know, as I've said before, I love autocorrect

01:06:45 ◼   ► on software keyboards and hated on hardware keyboards because I know how to type words

01:06:50 ◼   ► correctly with a hardware keyboard. Turns out, not with a software keyboard though,

01:06:54 ◼   ► I don't know at all that. So, and that's in there. So that's a feature that I think is

01:06:59 ◼   ► going to be great. I'm very excited about it. And then the other thing I'd mention,

01:07:03 ◼   ► which again, I guess it doesn't count as one of Nathan's minor features, but I've gotten

01:07:07 ◼   ► a chance to play with Swift playgrounds. Another topic we'll probably talk about later this

01:07:12 ◼   ► summer as this goes along. But it's great. It's just, it's great. They're not kidding.

01:07:19 ◼   ► They built just with the tutorials that they built, you know, they're building educational

01:07:23 ◼   ► tools inside this development playground app that they built and I think it's going to

01:07:28 ◼   ► be very popular in various sorts of education programs. So it's exciting.

01:07:35 ◼   ► David: Julian asked, "Do you think that we'll get individual upgrades from the Apple-built

01:07:40 ◼   ► apps inside of iOS 10 now that they're featured in the App Store?" This was discussed on the

01:07:45 ◼   ► talk show as well. They went into a bit of detail here. So in case you don't know, you'll

01:07:50 ◼   ► be able to remove the Apple applications from your phone now so you can remove mail, you

01:07:54 ◼   ► can remove calendar, etc.

01:07:56 ◼   ► Well from your screen.

01:07:58 ◼   ► Exactly, because they're not actually App Store apps. Apple is using the App Store as

01:08:03 ◼   ► the obvious way for people to get these applications back to their devices. But even if you delete

01:08:08 ◼   ► an app, in air quotes, from your phone, the resources for these apps continue to be a

01:08:13 ◼   ► part of the OS, but you just disable the application from view and remove the user data attached

01:08:18 ◼   ► to it. They will still be updated of each iOS release.

01:08:21 ◼   ► Yeah, so they're part of the system bundle and they actually said one of the reasons

01:08:25 ◼   ► why this is the case is that cryptographically the OS is signed and if you make changes to

01:08:31 ◼   ► the OS binary including these stock apps, it breaks the signature, it breaks the verification

01:08:39 ◼   ► of it. You can't do that. So they would have to remove them all and then download them

01:08:44 ◼   ► all and they're integrated with the system so they can't do that. So somebody

01:08:48 ◼   ► said it's actually a lot like what Microsoft had to do with Internet Explorer

01:08:51 ◼   ► which it was so deeply embedded in the system but they could basically let you

01:08:55 ◼   ► delete the icon if you really didn't want it there and it's a little bit like

01:09:00 ◼   ► that and what's interesting is that, and Schiller talked about it, it's like

01:09:05 ◼   ► what's our UI for bringing them back and they just decided the App Store is the

01:09:11 ◼   ► the UI. So I think Schiller got a big laugh when he said if you go to restore mail and

01:09:16 ◼   ► you tap that download button it's going to be really fast because it's not actually downloading

01:09:21 ◼   ► anything it's just bringing the icon back.

01:09:25 ◼   ► Yeah so I think that's fine with me yeah it's fine with me I just want to do it right because

01:09:30 ◼   ► if you delete an application where would you go to get it back.

01:09:34 ◼   ► Yeah and I'm fine with this approach because I'm not concerned about the size of these

01:09:41 ◼   ► apps, I more like just want them to go away and not clutter up my app search and not get

01:09:47 ◼   ► in my way because if I don't use them I just want them to go away. And this will make them

01:09:52 ◼   ► out of sight. If the stocks app is still lurking there behind the scenes, whatever, I don't

01:09:57 ◼   ► care. I just don't want to see it.

01:09:58 ◼   ► >> Myke asked, "Does watchOS 3 replace the home screen, if so with what?" So this is

01:10:04 ◼   ► something that we weren't sure of last week so it's also a bit of follow up. The honeycomb

01:10:08 ◼   ► as we call it, I think Serenity called it the carousel, I don't even know what it's

01:10:12 ◼   ► called but the home screen with all the little circle icons still exists in watchOS 3, it's

01:10:20 ◼   ► just being de-emphasized now I think.

01:10:22 ◼   ► Yeah that's where you go if you want to launch an arbitrary app that's not in your

01:10:27 ◼   ► dock, it's not on a complication, you can go to the home screen or you can use Siri

01:10:32 ◼   ► to open it and those are ways of doing it.

01:10:34 ◼   ► Think of it as like your second screen on your iPhone.

01:10:37 ◼   ► >> I kind of wish they would give you at least the option of viewing it as a list instead

01:10:43 ◼   ► of just those icons. But yeah, so it's still there. It's just that's the, I mean the dock

01:10:49 ◼   ► metaphor is a good one which is you've got your Mac apps that you put in your dock and

01:10:54 ◼   ► then you've got your applications folder that has everything.

01:10:57 ◼   ► >> It's funny that they drew from Mac OS instead of iOS for naming conventions and the kind

01:11:04 ◼   ► of overall thinking.

01:11:05 ◼   ► Well I mean there is a dock on iOS too but it's not, I mean this seems very much more

01:11:11 ◼   ► like a Mac OS dock where it's down at the bottom and it kind of pops up and you can

01:11:17 ◼   ► cycle through them and it's, yeah, but that's the story. So it's still there but I think

01:11:23 ◼   ► what Apple would like is for you not to need it very often.

01:11:28 ◼   ► Craig wants to know, and I'm directing this 100% to you, do you know any of the specifics

01:11:34 ◼   ► about the new Apple File System? Well, there's a session that you can watch on the developer

01:11:41 ◼   ► site or in the WWDC app, and I believe anybody can watch those. It's dry. I asked John Siracusa

01:11:46 ◼   ► about that session, and he's like, "Eh, it's not that exciting," and he really cares about

01:11:51 ◼   ► the file system. But, you know, there's a bunch of cool stuff in there. There are, I

01:11:58 ◼   ► think it's going to dramatically improve Time Machine, because Time Machine is a hack. They

01:12:02 ◼   ► make all these hard links and it's just it's it's such a hack and they're going

01:12:07 ◼   ► to be able to throw that away on these new systems and do it in a completely

01:12:11 ◼   ► different way that should be a lot more efficient. It's got some new concepts in

01:12:15 ◼   ► terms of making duplicates of your files like making a copy of a file now when

01:12:20 ◼   ► you make a copy it's sort of like downloading the mail app from the App

01:12:24 ◼   ► Store it's instant because when you make a copy it actually just makes a new file

01:12:28 ◼   ► icon that's pointing at the same data on the drive and then as you modify those files they

01:12:34 ◼   ► will gradually diverge on the disk.

01:12:36 ◼   ► >>WES It sounds horrifying.

01:12:37 ◼   ► >>JEFF But it saves--well no, it's actually really clever. So if you've got like a package

01:12:43 ◼   ► with 300 files in it and you make a copy of it and you start to edit that, rather than

01:12:49 ◼   ► making a duplicate of the space on your hard drive somewhere else--

01:12:53 ◼   ► >>WES Excuse them.

01:12:54 ◼   ► Yeah, and then over time, like, as you make changes, those changes save to the disk, along

01:13:01 ◼   ► with the stuff that remains on the disk from the previous file, and it all just works.

01:13:06 ◼   ► And I mean, it sounds scary until you realize that, like, all your files are scattered around

01:13:11 ◼   ► on your disk and the file system is managing them anyway. So it's just, it's more of that.

01:13:15 ◼   ► But it's smarter, there's like file-level encryption that's happening, I think it's

01:13:19 ◼   ► going to allow better security between like different users on the disk. There's, it's

01:13:26 ◼   ► like timestamps down to the nanosecond, snapshots for like the ability to say take a snapshot

01:13:34 ◼   ► of the system and then restore it later which is going to be good I think especially in

01:13:37 ◼   ► like lab conditions when you need to wind the system back to a pristine state after

01:13:44 ◼   ► a kid has been messing around with it all day in a classroom. A bunch of other stuff,

01:13:49 ◼   ► the one thing that it does not have in this current version anyway, and John Syracuse

01:13:54 ◼   ► talked about this, is it doesn't seem to have data protection in the sense of checking files

01:14:00 ◼   ► to see if they have, if the bits have changed. This is John's famous thing about, like, my

01:14:08 ◼   ► photos, you know, as my photos get backed up and copied, have they been broken or do

01:14:13 ◼   ► do they still have integrity? Have there been errors introduced in my files that you can

01:14:17 ◼   ► have the silent error introduced and that one starts to get backed up and you lose the

01:14:22 ◼   ► original and he said this doesn't have that but it's not like they couldn't add it to

01:14:27 ◼   ► this. This is a thoroughly modern file system and although that presentation is dry and

01:14:32 ◼   ► not the most exciting, something I took out of it that I was very impressed by is the

01:14:38 ◼   ► scope of what they had to do here because what the file system people were asked to

01:14:42 ◼   ► build was a tool to scale from devices as small as the Apple Watch to as big and

01:14:48 ◼   ► powerful as the Mac Pro and they and all devices are going to run this file

01:14:53 ◼   ► system so yeah that that's quite a challenge but it's a I think it's it's

01:14:59 ◼   ► going to be good it's not going to really impact anybody until next year

01:15:02 ◼   ► because the version of it now is a test version that you basically can't do

01:15:05 ◼   ► anything with it and that's good because nobody should do things on a beta

01:15:10 ◼   ► file system but but in the end I think it will provide a lot more file system

01:15:15 ◼   ► integrity be more resilient across crashes like power outages and things

01:15:21 ◼   ► like that just all all of those things that a file system I meant to ask Phil

01:15:25 ◼   ► Schiller this but like I remember getting briefed about HFS+ in 1998 at MacWorld

01:15:30 ◼   ► probably by Phil Schiller and that was a long time ago and that was the last

01:15:37 ◼   ► major file system update for Apple. So they've come a long way. Time for a new

01:15:41 ◼   ► file system. So 2017 will be that time. And final question this week, John asked,

01:15:45 ◼   ► "What effect on battery are we expecting from all of this on-device processing of

01:15:50 ◼   ► photos? Are we looking at background tasks or on-demand?" And apparently the

01:15:55 ◼   ► bulk of this processing happens at night when your device is plugged in and

01:15:59 ◼   ► charging, and then for every photo that's taken it then does it automatically. Yeah,

01:16:04 ◼   ► just as you snap the photo it does all the processing and Federici said at the

01:16:08 ◼   ► talk show that you know the GPU is doing this and he said it sounds like a lot

01:16:14 ◼   ► it's an impressive number of calculations it does however many

01:16:17 ◼   ► million calculations it does but that's a fraction of a second for the GPU on an

01:16:21 ◼   ► iPhone fraction of a second so they do that on the fly they do all the data

01:16:25 ◼   ► analysis embedded in the metadata and then move along but yeah I upgraded our

01:16:30 ◼   ► a test phone to iOS 10 and left it plugged in and it sort of stayed warm overnight. But

01:16:37 ◼   ► it processed even with iCloud photo library where it didn t have all the images on the

01:16:42 ◼   ► device at full quality, it still processed everything and the next day I was able to

01:16:46 ◼   ► search for lakes or cats and find photos in my phone. Yeah, I looked for lakes and cats

01:16:53 ◼   ► because I'm different that way. Valleys and cows and it didn't find any cows. But anyway

01:17:01 ◼   ► it is going to do that when it's in a restful state. It's plugged in and on Wi-Fi and it

01:17:07 ◼   ► will churn but then it just happens every time you take a shot that shot is processed

01:17:14 ◼   ► and analyzed with all of Apple's machine learning deep thought API blah blah blah brain power

01:17:23 ◼   ► thing.

01:17:24 ◼   ► All right so that brings us to the end of our scope grade which brings us to the end

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