98: Accidental Comics Podcast 🤓
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From Relay FM, this is Upgrade, episode number 98.
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Today's show is brought to you by TextExpander from Smile
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and PingDum. My name is Myke Hurley, I am joined by the incomparable Mr. Jason Snell.
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Hi Myke, how's it going? Very good, how are you? Good,
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Good. Warmed up, ready to go. Ready for 98. Getting close. Getting close to 100 now.
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- Gone. - Gone. That's, yep. Mm-hmm.
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- Following up from last week, you found out a reason why your phone was pausing in the shower.
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- Yeah, it's... The answer is, apparently, to a certain degree, that if you turn off
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the Ahoy telephone feature in the iOS 10 beta, it stops a lot of the extraneous audio pauses.
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So something weird is going on there. I heard from like five people who said that this was
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a solution. I turned off Ahoy telephone and it solved it. I also heard from a few people who are
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like irate, like, "Oh, this is outrageous. That's a key feature that you have to disconnect in order
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to get this other thing to work." And it's like, "Yeah, it's a beta. That's how it works."
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It sucks to be a beta, but that's the way it goes. Pick your poison. Would you like
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your audio to play continuously, or would you like a Hoy telephone to work? If you want
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both, don't use the beta. But anyway, I also heard from somebody who's on like a 5S who
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said that this trick didn't work for him, so it may only be on certain hardware that
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this solves it, and there may be a different bug. There's bugs! It's beta. There's bugs.
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But anyway, if you are feeling the pain of having your audio pause randomly all the time,
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turn off Ahoy!
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Telephone in the iOS 10 beta and see what happens.
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Was it triggering Siri?
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It's possible.
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I don't know.
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I wonder if there's something going on there where, yeah, something in the sound subsystem
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is it's hearing something and it's pausing, but then it's not activating Siri.
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it's it's maybe it gets to a point where it thinks it might activate and then it
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decides it isn't but it's too late it's already paused the audio but who knows
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there may be a very specific if you know the audio subsystem of iOS you know
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exactly where this is I'm sure that they're aware of it that hopefully it
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will be fixed in the next beta.
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Was I talking last week on this show?
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Yeah I was about not upgrading to the beta because of the Canary?
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Yeah, yeah, that was this show.
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So I have had a bunch of people write in to tell me that Canary have updated their application
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and it is now fixed, so it doesn't crash anymore on the iOS 10 beta.
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But I am, and I've had a few people, especially that dastardly David Sparks, send me messages
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telling me, "Oh, it's fine, you should update, you should, come over, the water's fine."
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I am holding off and I'm quite proud of myself so far.
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I have no intention of installing the iOS 10 beta on my phone right now.
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I'm going to wait until the next beta at least and see the next developer beta and see kind
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of what the state of affairs is.
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But I really don't want to screw anything up.
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And it really is the canary which is making me think like this.
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The point where my phone is controlling security in my home and also going forward my lights
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and stuff like that, I'm less inclined to put beta software on it, which is probably
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why they'll never do a public beta for software in the Apple car. At the point where these
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things start to make real effect for security purposes and just for your general living
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arrangements, I feel like it's less than likely that you should be putting beta software
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on them, and that's kind of how I'm feeling right now.
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I think that's valid. I validate your opinion. It's a personal choice for everyone. It
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really is like, if you're in this business, then you have some professional choices to
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make too. But it has to do, yeah, everybody's got a different little constellation of iOS
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devices and apps they rely on and ways they use it in their lives, and you make your decisions
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based on that. And I think that's the right thing to do.
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>> So I have my iPad here, my iPad Air 2, and it lets me send stickers to people. Right
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now I'm good with that. And I'll see where the next betas go before I make my decision.
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As of right now, nothing. You remember Frank from last week who found pepperoni and pineapple
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pizza in a bar?
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How could I forget, Frank?
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He wrote in to let us know a couple of things. He had actually tried it before, so he was
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already a fan of the pepperoni pineapple. And also, as I guess we both expected, and
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I really applaud Frank for owning up to this, he was inebriated enough to take the left
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behind pizza, and he says he has no regrets.
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No, he ate a slice of bar pizza.
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- To you, sir, I congratulate you for having no regrets.
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That's what I say. - We salute you, Frank.
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- But be careful, everyone.
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Don't eat random food that you find in bars.
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The Upgrade podcast does not endorse random bar food.
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- Well, in bars, you know, there is,
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if it's like on the bar, like, I mean,
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there are bowls of nuts and things
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that people eat on the bar, and pretzels
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and things like that. - I also don't endorse
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eating those, though. (laughs)
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- Oh, okay, all right.
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I just, I feel like it's a little bit different
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than if you walked, you were in a restaurant
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and you found they hadn't cleared the table yet and somebody left and there was some pizza
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on it and you just picked it up and ate it. I would be a little more, I don't know why,
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but I feel like that would be more of a social transgression. Like some places...
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I'm pretty sure that's what Frank did though. I think that that pizza was just left from
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a previous patron.
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Yeah. I guess I'm just saying some places actually do put out like plates of food and
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things, but in this case, that was certainly something that somebody ordered and paid for
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and ate most of and could just couldn't, even though they loved it, couldn't eat the last
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part of it. And anyway, cheers Frank.
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I would struggle though if I saw slices of pepperoni, pineapple pizza, I've got to say.
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You remember many, many moons ago we spoke about the fact that with the lightning to
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ethernet adapter you could plug it into an iOS device and you could have an ethernet
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connection. It would connect to the internet in some kind of mystical, magical way.
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So this was when Apple introduced the Lightning to USB 3 adapter, their new adapter. It's
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the one that's got a Lightning port on the female Lightning port on the side of the female
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USB port, and instead of it just being a pass-through of Lightning to USB, and that's so that you
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can power it. And at the point that you can power it, you can do a lot of things with
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USB devices that require power. And Phil Schiller stood on stage and said, "This will be great
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for podcasters, and this will be great for connecting your iPad Pro to Ethernet in your
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office, your secure Ethernet network. And that was funny because Ethernet has never
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been a supported officially thing. There's no UI for it or anything. But it does turn
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out that, yeah, if you attach a USB Ethernet adapter to that adapter and turn off all your
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Wi-Fi and everything, it works. It works at least if you're on a DHCP network where it's
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sort of the standard, like, it'll sign you an IP address, just like if you're on a Wi-Fi
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hotspot, it's the same approach, basically, like, here's your IP address and go for it.
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But it was all just sort of like, in fact, the rumor is that somebody who worked at Apple
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said that, oh, it was ATP Tipster, I think, said that after Steve Jobs famously had that
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failure at WWDC where he told everybody to turn off their Wi-Fi hotspots because the
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demo was failing, they couldn't get out to the internet, that apparently like that day
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engineering was told, "Put Ethernet support in iOS." That's an order. So maybe that's
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where it came from. But there was no UI for it. It was all secret.
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But now, when you plug it in, some random entry shows up in the settings app, which
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is empty right now.
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Yeah. Yeah. In iOS 10 Beta, if you plug in that Ethernet adapter, what you get is a new
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setting like right under the wifi setting item in the settings app that is an ethernet
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item and uh and then you tap on it and guess what you see nothing coming soon there's nothing
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i can't actually decide whether that is a uh a mistake and it's just supposed to remain
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invisible and that that's been there but they've been suppressing it like no no no don't even
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show it it'll be there but nobody wants to see it don't even show it or if there's going
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to be something there, which I think they should do because one of the problems with
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the Ethernet support in iOS, especially when it's unofficial and not mentioned in a keynote
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on stage by Phil Schiller, was the fact that not every Ethernet network has the generic
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settings. Sometimes you have to put specific Ethernet settings in, which is why we have
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a network control panel on the Mac that you can go in and you can set up your Ethernet
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settings to be what they need to be. So it's an edge case, but I hope that they do it,
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and I actually kind of hope that they do some other esoteric network stuff while they're
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at it, like maybe even the sequence of what network interfaces to use, what order. With
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the iPad Pro, the idea is this is a computer, you're going to do your work on it, you might
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plug it in at your desk, well if you're going to do that, then maybe you should have those
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features available. So maybe we'll see that.
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And I wanted to do a little bit of follow up on Spotify.
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I was just thinking today whilst doing the washing up,
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we haven't heard of anything about the Apple Spotify problem, right?
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Like we spoke about it a few weeks ago that they were kind of loggerheads
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and Apple was holding up an update and Spotify were claiming foul play.
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And I thought I would go and check the app store.
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And there hasn't been an update to the Spotify app since the end of May.
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So it looks like that that update is still being held, but I haven't heard, I don't know
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if you have any further updates to this specific situation.
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It seems like it's not been resolved yet between Apple and Spotify.
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It seems like it's still there.
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There's been some back and forth in the press.
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Apple has definitely said, you know, "Look, you're breaking the rules and we will expedite
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your approval if you stop breaking the rules, but we're not going to let you break the rules."
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And I think that's where it is right now.
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But whilst doing some searches today to tell you if there have been any updates that I've
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missed, I found some articles in the last couple of days that apparently Apple has made
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some proposals to the Copyright Royalty Board about how streaming royalties should be paid.
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So right now this board called the CRB, the Copyright Royalty Board, is working out a
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new kind of framework model for how royalties should be paid for streaming.
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And lots of companies have made proposals. Spotify has made a proposal, Pandora's made
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a proposal, a bunch of others, like about what they believe the royalty should look
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like. But Apple's proposed calculation of the statutory royalty rate would hurt services
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that have free plans. And some are claiming that this type of thing is a shot at Spotify.
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Yeah, well, I think, I think Apple is not interested in protecting the free streaming
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business model, right? Just not. And I think there's a, I think if you're a company like
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Apple and honestly, I think the music industry doesn't love it either. This idea that there's
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this free tier and, uh, and they pay, right. But, uh, the more you charge, the harder it
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is to get by on the free plan. And so yeah, I'm not surprised at all that Apple is trying
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to make it harder for competitors who offer a free tier to keep offering it. But again,
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I mean, Apple, of course, Apple should propose things in its self-interest. Now that doesn't
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mean that Apple gets to choose.
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Yeah, every company that's making a suggestion here, every company that is going to this
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royalty board with their suggestions, their proposals, are doing the thing that makes
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the most sense for them.
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I'm sure that Spotify are coming to it and saying like, "Oh, this is our proposal and
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that proposal is probably really good for people that are doing free tiers."
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So I'm sure that their royalty things are, "Yeah, we'll pay royalties when people pay,
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when they're free, I don't think we should have to pay."
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And Apple's probably coming in and being like, "Everyone deserves to be paid, free or not.
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Ha ha ha ha."
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And this is just normal.
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This is how business is done.
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But this was the only thing that I found as an update to this situation.
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And this could end up playing out quite interestingly.
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If this royalty board does come out and say, "Everybody deserves to be paid, free or not,"
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that is going to hurt companies like Spotify because where's the money going to come from?
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So, that's something to keep an eye on.
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- The money comes from a calculation about how many free you convert to paid and whether
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it's worth it to do that, right?
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But the more you are paying for the streams and the plays, the harder that calculation
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is to maintain because your customer acquisition costs, as they would call it, rocket up.
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And that's bad.
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Whereas, you know, Apple, although Apple, you know, Apple has a free tier too, but the
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way they structure it is you get a 90-day trial and then you have to pay or lose it.
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And Spotify, you can stay on the free tier forever. And I think their goal is to convert
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those people over time. My daughter loves Spotify, although she's been listening to
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Apple Music more lately. I reminded her that we had Apple Music on family and that she
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got all of that stuff and she's been doing that more. But she still likes Spotify and
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I think Spotify's game plan there is that become, you know, make my daughter a loyal
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Spotify user and that when she gets to college she'll probably have, I assume, a lot of Spotify
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probably has this deal like the, all students at this college have access to a cheap or
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free Spotify premium plan. They do a lot of that kind of college marketing where there's
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a special deal and then you get out of college and you own that person, they will pay you
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$10 a month for their entire life. I think that's basically their game plan, but you
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look at the cost.
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It's a great game plan. Make it indispensable.
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Right, but if in eight or nine years of free listening or subsidized listening before you
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get to the point where they start paying you, how long does it take to get your money back
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and are you still in business at that point? So I think that's the calculation you have
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to make. And any of those, it's always a gamble that you take. And that's the difference between
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having a free tier that's available forever versus a with, you know, some revenue in it
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or whether you just do what Apple does and say, "We're closing the gate after 90 days."
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All right. So that's it for follow-up this week. Should we take a break?
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Yesterday was World Emoji Day, July the 17th.
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Breaking news, breaking news, World Emoji Day yesterday.
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So World Emoji Day, it was created by our friend, friend of the show, Jeremy Burge at
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Yep. Of course it was. I was thinking to myself the other day, I was
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like, why, why is July 17th world emoji day? I was thinking to myself, I was like, Oh,
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I wonder. So I opened the emoji palette and I went to the calendar emoji and on iOS, the
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calendar emoji is the 17th of July. You know, the little, uh, the little calendar that's
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in the emoji. It's July 17th. That's the date on the emoji. So that's the date picked for
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World Emoji Day. Interesting. Smart, right? I was like, "Why did he pick that random day?"
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That's why, because the emoji is that date. Huh. That's weird. And why is it that date? Is that
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because of iCal being introduced? Probably. A million years ago? It's an old Apple thing.
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Didn't it always say July 17th, like the old iCal logo? It's the day that iCal for the Mac was
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announced at Macworld Expo in 2002.
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There you go. So I'm actually going to put a link to a Quora article.
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And Twitter previously showed July 15th, which was Twitter's launch date,
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but then changed it to March 21st. But that's why
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that's why it's July 17th. There you go, perfect.
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So there you go. And there you know why. So it was yesterday
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and I was sent some some schwag
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by Jeremy. He sent me a t-shirt. Did you see my picture of me with my
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my t-shirt and I was looking at emojis that were made of me. Did you see that picture,
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I did see that picture.
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I'm going to put that in the show notes in case people didn't see it. So I thought, in
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the spirit of World Emoji Day, that today we could spend some time talking about emoji.
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What do you think?
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Let's do it. I'm always up to talk about emoji.
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So how often do you actually use emoji? Like, what do you use it for and how frequently?
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I use it all the time. I mean, this is the funny thing. People roll their eyes and like,
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emoji is stupid. But it's like, you know, it's, we all communicate with text. I've
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given this rant before, I think in person, if not on a podcast, we communicate on the
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internet in text and text is really bad at expressing things that we express as human
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beings in interpersonal conversations, one-on-one with people in groups. We have facial expressions
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and hand gestures and body language in general and tone of voice. And on the internet, it's
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text. It's just text on Twitter and slack wherever it's text text. You lose a lot. And
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that's why people invented emoticons right where they're using punctuation to create
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faces and stuff and and why we do markup or or markdown if you will the idea that you
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can separate things with asterisks or something to show that there's you're supposed to emphasize
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those or all caps or whatever. These are all ways to do that. An emoji is a great fit because
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it gives you a lexicon that is much larger than you can get with something like--because
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the emoticons got really complicated and I'd be like, "Oh, I don't even know how to make
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that." When I first saw the flipping table guy, I was like, "I don't even know what that
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is." Right? Because it was too--I love the flipping table guy, but the flipping table
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guy was, I feel like, was the last gasp of the emoticon, where like, "We can use text
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to make pictures!" It's like, yeah! It's getting really complicated. You're using, like, non-Roman
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characters to make this thing that's kind of hard to read about what it is. And then
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there's emoji, which are these cute little cartoon items, and you can string them together,
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and you can tack them on the end of your phrases, and in Slack you can comment on somebody's
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with a feeling. I think they're so powerful. And so I use them all the time. I use them
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on Twitter. I use them in Slack. And it's for that reason that it gets across, or at
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least it gives you the ability to attempt to get across a little bit more about feelings
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that you wouldn't put in words because you probably wouldn't say, "I love that thing
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you just wrote, right? We probably wouldn't say that, but you throw out a little heart,
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and it means that, but you didn't have to say it.
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Yeah, I love emoji. I mean, I was obviously an emoticon person. I used all the MSN emoticons,
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which were kind of halfway between emoticons and emojis, right? They were little characters,
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but they were kind of triggered by you typing in text. You know, you type in the cocoon
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on a bracket and you'd get a little smiley face that would be rendered as a little yellow
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smiley face.
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That's when I started, basically it was on my radar, was that I was typing old school
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emoticons and they were being turned into emoji, basically.
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Or what looks a lot like emoji.
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Yeah, exactly.
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And I came to emoji on the iPhone when you had to do that weird hacky thing to try and
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get a Japanese keyboard to install the emoji.
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Do you remember that?
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That was the way you originally had to get it.
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So I've been using them for a long time and I use them constantly because they are such
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a fantastic form of expression for me.
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I think you're able to say so much.
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So much of my conversation online is very short snippets of information, very short
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snippets of text and quite frankly a lot of the time an emoji will do the job.
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Like a little thumbs up emoji is perfect.
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I send little heart emojis to people when they say nice things.
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I send little mic face, nerd face emojis, my own little emoji that I have,
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or that I have kind of commandeered because it looks just like me.
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I love all of that stuff and I love doing it.
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And I send messages, iMessage, I send emojis all day,
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and Twitter, I send emoji all day.
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Also, custom Slack emoji is amazing.
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So this is where you kind of start branching out a little bit.
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And the Slacks that I'm involved in, the custom emoji in Slack
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really make it a lot of fun.
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There's great ones in the incomparable slack and the relay slack and also in
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The slack for my ring post. It's a ring post of the podcast. I'm doing an incomparable now about wrestling. We have a
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Public slack and we're adding lots of really great emoji to that as well. And I think that's so much fun all of that stuff
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and I know that the kind of the custom emoji stuff is kind of co-opting a little bit between
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little just stickers and emoji and emoticons, but it all kind of rolls together into just a great way to
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visually express yourself in very simple ways and a lot of the time add in the
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Personality and character that would be in your voice if somebody could hear you. Yeah the
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Slack's decision to not only embrace emoji with
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Slack has done a lot to do emoji right. I wrote a piece on Macworld about this a while
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ago. The fact that you can type a colon and then begin to type the name of an emoji and
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it autofills it in, so great. Such a great feature. I use that all the time. And then
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the ability to reply to comments, just like tag emoji on things people say is so great.
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But the custom emoji thing, it's that, you know, so Jeremy, who we mentioned earlier,
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is on the... He does Emojipedia and he's on the Unicode subcommittee for emoji. You know,
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they're involved with deciding what the official emoji are. And that's why they're adding,
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you know, a dozen a year or whatever at this point. They've added a bunch, but now they're
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sort of like, kind of... It's like going into the Hall of Fame, of the Baseball Hall of
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Fame or any Sports Hall of Fame. There's a process now. Are you emoji worthy? But it's
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slow moving and they need to appeal to everyone. And one of the brilliant things that Slack
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did is create this custom emoji feature. And it influences the tone and personality of
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the Slack you're in, and it's great. In fact, I have to admit, I find myself missing some
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of those custom emoji in the real world, or not the real world, but the outside of Slack
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world because I have on more than one occasion on Twitter replied to somebody who was on
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the incomparable Slack with colon Skeletor colon because I love the Skeletor emoji which
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is like a picture of Skeletor or a hooded skeleton that I found on the internet and
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made an emoji out of and then we made a t-shirt out of it eventually. I love it and it's just
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it's not anything that's going to be a real emoji but it doesn't matter because it's fun
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and it has some meaning. It has some specific meaning in the incomparable slack. So, you
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know, it's great. All of it's great.
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So, I was also wondering if you had any thoughts on emoji versus stickers?
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Because this is an interesting thing, right? Because these days, there are lots of stickers
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that are claiming to be emoji, you know, like the celebrity ones, for example, like Kim
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just using where was I what app was I using was a Twitter it might have been
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on Twitter where where I I was trying to put in an emoji and instead I got a a
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bunch of stickers that looked like emoji I was like no no no no no no no no no
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that's not what I want
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I don't know the stickers stickers feel like lock into me that's the problem I
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have with them is emoji feels like this is a common picture language that we can
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share across platforms and across services, and the stickers feel like lock-in, feel like,
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"Oh, only on our special service do you get that." Then again, I just praised the custom
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emoji in Slack, so maybe it's fine. But it's not in my lexicon, and I know people love
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using stickers, so it's gonna take some getting used to. And I could see it being something
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that people use. The problem with it is that you end up with that thing where you wanna
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react with that. You've mapped an emotion to that sticker and then you're somewhere
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else and you can't express it because it was a sticker on one service. And I don't like
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that part of it.
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The lines are starting to blur. Like you look at Twitter, they just turned their emoji set
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into stickers. So the image that I put up and it's in the show notes of me celebrating
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World Emoji Day is using their emoji sticker functionality. And so it's getting a bit weird
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and it's still gonna start to get weirder, right, with iOS 10 messaging apps because
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they're stickers but everyone's gonna call them emoji, right? They're gonna be
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sold as emoji packs, not sticker packs, because that's the the naming, that's the
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kind of the common name that we give to these things now. I'm not sure the
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Unicode subcommittee on emoji will approve of that. Oh, I'm sure they won't,
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but it's it's too late, right? The the horse is bolted. Emoji is just the name
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for now a little picture which illustrates something, the same as Emoticon was the name
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for so long. I think emoji is just that. What do you think about the idea of platform vendors
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using emoji as an upgrade tool? I think Apple's starting to embrace that a little bit, right?
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Yeah, certainly.
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You kind of get your new emoji ready and it's a great way to get people to update.
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New emoji and also Apple now is going to have a reason to update in iOS 10 with that emoji
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auto suggest feature.
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which is awesome.
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- It is, I am still frustrated that Apple
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isn't letting you search for a specific emoji.
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Like if you want the German flag,
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you can't like search for it.
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You have to look through a list of flags
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that are sorted in a very specific way
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and hope that you can choose the flag of Germany
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and not of Belgium.
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And that's, it needs to be better.
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like Slack. Like Slack, I can do colon flag dash D-E or G-B or whatever I want, and I
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can get the flag that I want. And with the auto-suggest emoji thing, that's cool, but
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I don't think the only way you should be able to get an emoji is by remembering or guessing
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what word will trigger the auto-suggest of the emoji you want. But still, so I think
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there's more work for Apple to do on that front, but that is in addition to supporting
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a bunch of new emoji, which they will almost certainly do in iOS 10, and if not, it'll
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be in, I think somewhere in there now, Jeremy Berg wrote a blog post about this on Emojipedia.
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They will also have that auto fill thing, which is almost like, you know, encouragement
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to use more emoji, but it also, I think, makes people who might not think in terms of emoji
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do better with emoji. I think you can overdo it, like if anybody's seen Carrie Fisher's
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Twitter feed. If you use emoji to communicate, you're just making a rebus. You're making
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a puzzle for people. You're not helping your communication. You're hurting it. So I think
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you can overdo it. And I think that Apple's sort of emoji replacement thing could lead
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to that, where things seem kind of baffling and harder to understand. I always like to
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use emoji as like seasoning in the message. Like, you know, here's a statement and now
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I'm conveying a feeling, rather than it being like I'm literally going to replace every
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other word with an emoji representation. I don't, I don't, I'm not a fan of that.
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So you're saying about searching for emoji. I want to recommend a tool for me on iOS that
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I use. I'm still using Gboard, the Google keyboard for iOS.
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Yeah. Um, I've been using it for like two months now as my only keyboard. I'm very happy
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with it actually. Uh, I find the autocomplete works better for me. Um, it does a better
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job of splitting up words when I accidentally hit N instead of space, which is one of my
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my biggest frustrations in life. Google keyboard does a better job of that. It also seems to
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be doing a better job of remembering words that I frequently say in people's names and
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stuff. And I assume that it's pulling some of that information from my Google account
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somewhere maybe, I don't know. Or it's just doing a better job of just remembering. I'm
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very happy with the keyboard. I like that I can do the one hand swipe typing, which
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I do quite a lot with my big phone. So I'm happy about that. I like that all that's built
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in but what it has a couple of great emoji features so you can it does the
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replacements so as you're typing if you type the word like I don't know like sad
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or something it will in the little suggestions bar it has the emoji there
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so you can hit it and something then what you end up doing is you learn the
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words right so I know some of the words that will trigger those emojis so I just
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type those words in and it'll trigger them but also you when you hit the emoji
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bar. It's a swipeable thing like Apple's but it also has a search box so you can search
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and it does a couple of different ways of searching this. I actually tested this with
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Jeremy. Jeremy should probably be on this episode but we met for coffee recently and
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I was showing him Gboard and I was doing some searches and he was asking me to search for
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specific words to see if it was pulling from the actual Unicode like standardised wording
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and naming for an emoji which it was but then Google are obviously putting their own words
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on those emojis as well so they can be searched for. So for example if you type the word butt
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a peach comes up. Oh my. Now Google's doing that all by themselves. I love that. I think
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that's fantastic. I'm happy that they do that. But there you go that happens. The peach pops
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up. I was very pleased to find that out. That made me smile a lot. There's some
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some good stuff. Jason jumped in there for the title suggestion in the chatroom, making
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everybody upset.
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Well, I was able to do that because I downloaded Rocket for OS X, which I didn't even know
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existed in Joe Steele, just linked to in the chatroom, which is an app that lets you have
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the colon shortcuts anywhere on the Mac instead of just in Slack, and that's a dangerous,
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dangerous thing.
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So that's another tool that I was going to suggest. I don't have this one installed.
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I don't really understand how this works and I'm not sure if it's like looking at keystrokes.
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I don't really know how it's doing this.
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So I haven't looked into it enough to download it yet, but I've seen a lot of people talk
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about this and it looks pretty cool.
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Another one I just saw today, Emojipedia for OS X, is like an add-on for the dictionary.
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So you can select an emoji and do the dictionary definition and it will give you the name of
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the emoji, tell you what the emoji is, and sometimes that is needed.
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Ah, interesting.
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So there's a few things in there.
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The emoji dictionary, there's a Medium blog post that I'll put in that explains how it
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works and then tells you how you can go and get it from GitHub.
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So there are a few emoji tools for you if you're looking for some tools for emoji.
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And I also want to give a bit of breaking news.
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That's productivity right there, folks.
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Productivity tools.
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As part of World Emoji Day, there was an award for the best new emoji of 2016, and the eye
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eye roll emoji has won that one. So what do you think of that, Jason, the eye roll emoji?
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Do you think that it's the best new emoji? It's beaten out the upside down smiley face,
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for example?
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Well, the upside down smiley face is pretty good.
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I thought that would have won, to be honest, because that is a...
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Oh, that's because we know Joe Steele. Joe Steele's favorite emoji is the upside down
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smiley face. But the eye rolling is a-- I use that-- I have to admit, I have to restrain
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myself sometimes from replying to tweets with just the eye roll emoji. Because that's mean,
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but also true.
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So I'll finish this off with asking you, Jason, what is or what are your favorite emoji?
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Oh, um... blue heart.
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As I've established elsewhere, I felt like the red heart was a little too forward.
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Yeah, I agree. I used to use the pink heart with the sparklies for the same reason. Go
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as far as you can in that you know you got to co-opt a heart of your own. Yeah exactly right.
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The I don't know Skeletor emoji on slack is pretty great yeah but nobody else gets to
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gets to use that. I like the rainbow sometimes for like happiness like I think that's a fun one.
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I like the, you know, I like the winky guy and the smiley guy, the faces.
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Thumbs up is a good, quick thumbs up thing.
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That was the first emoji autocorrect I created.
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Just I typed thumbs up and a thumb appears. It's great.
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I think those are mine. What are yours?
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Mine, I have two key favorites.
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I like the heart inside of the box.
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In Slack, it's called heart decorations.
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There's a pink box of a heart inside of it.
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Just because it doesn't look like any of the other hearts.
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and a lot of people don't even really know about this one. I don't ever see anybody use
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it, so I use it. And also the nerd face because it looks just like me.
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That's you. Yeah.
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It looks just like me and it makes me very happy.
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So that's emoji, everyone.
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Another piece of breaking news for the show. We're all about breaking news today.
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This is not emoji related.
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iOS 10 Beta 3 just came out.
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Hey, look at that. Well, we'll be able to see if there are any Ethernet settings then.
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So Mr. Jason Snell, this has been in our top-up list for a long time and Comic-Con is just
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around the corner, right?
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This is Comic-Con week, in fact, so it's perfect.
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It's perfectly timed, even though it was unintentional, because it's also, you know, it's, uh, there's
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a lot of stuff happening in the background, but it's a little bit slower in terms of news
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and things like that, which we usually like to talk about.
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And yeah, it's Comic-Con time, so why not?
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Let's talk about comics.
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So I have been in and out of comics over the years, and I'm feeling like a draw's in.
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I have these lovely devices that will very nicely let me read my comics.
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Right, I'm going to assume.
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I'll ask you which devices you use in a little bit.
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And there are a couple that I'm interested in and I want to get your opinions on them.
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I always love Spider-Man and I would maybe like to read a couple of Spider-Man comics
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And also I'm interested in the upcoming Iron Man reboot which features a female 15 year
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old black teenager instead of Tony Stark as Iron Man.
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What is going on here?
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know, by the way? What is this change all about?
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Well, so Marvel has been experimenting in the last few years with this, the idea of
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taking their hero—I mean, this has happened for a while, but they're doing it with some
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new characters now, where what if we took new characters and put them in the hero name,
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basically, an outfit in power? So the idea there is—they did this a while ago with
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Tony Stark actually where he was drunk. And so, Rhodey, his buddy, became Iron Man. And
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so, but they've done that lately. There's a, they introduced Miles Morales as the new
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Spider-Man. They had a mysterious woman who has now been revealed. But anyway, as she
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picks up the hammer of Thor and becomes Thor. And they have done the Falcon became Captain
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America. And I think, you know, some of this is, you'll find one of the things they're
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doing and they're doing this very specifically is taking a lot of the characters that have
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only been inhabited or largely been inhabited by white men and putting people who are different
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races and putting women in some of those slots. And I think, you know, it's comics and it's
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intellectual property with a market value. So the characters you know are always gonna
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to come back in some form because there's too much money for them not to, but I feel
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like they want to use the comics to play with alternate versions or additional versions
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of those characters to tell other stories. How many, you know, how many stories? There
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are new stories to tell with every character, but there are probably more new stories to
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tell if you can say, "Well, what if there was this variation? What if a 15-year-old
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black teenager became Iron Man because she's an MIT genius like Tony Stark and she's his
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biggest fan and then she invents her own armor and, you know, what would the dynamic would
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-- what would that be like? In fact, it's a lot like the dynamic that they have with
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Spider-Man now where due to many comic book continuity shenanigans, Miles Morales and
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Peter Parker are now in the same universe, which they weren't before. But it's led to
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this interesting case where there are two Spider-Men and the older Spider-Man, Peter
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Parker has to, you know, who for so much history has always been the kid of superheroes. He's
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now like a mentor to an actual like 17, 16-year-old kid. And that's a fun new set of stories to
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tell. So Marvel's just doing a lot of experimentation where they're bringing in new characters and
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putting them in some of their old, you know, old clothing, old intellectual property, and
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trying to tell some new stories. And the new Iron Man story, I believe, is by Brian Michael
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Bendis, who also was the guy who created Miles Morales, who is the new additional Spider-Man
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now, the ultimate Spider-Man, as they called him. Does that make sense?
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- Yeah, kind of. I mean, I like that... - I mean, it's comics. It doesn't make sense,
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but still. - Yeah, it can only make as much sense as the
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comic can make which isn't always a lot of sense. I mean I get why Marvel does this you
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know putting new characters into the old suits is a really kind of good way to get a bit
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of marketing push behind you but what I do like is they could put anyone into these but
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they choose to put different people right they choose to put women and people of different
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races and people of different backgrounds into these suits when really they could just
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put another white guy in and it would still push sales right or it still push PR.
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Maybe. Because they've changed it. I mean you change up the character and it's like
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"ooh they've changed the character" or "whenever they kill a character." I'm saying
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it's like I like that they do push the envelope a little bit and trying to make
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change to these things you know. Also I think I and this is an interesting trend
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I think comics has realized now that there is a there is a market of women
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read comics, that there have always been women who read comics, but I think there are more
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now and they're more visible and that there's some realization that I think the comics publishers,
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part of what they're doing is saying, "We want to reach a new generation of people and
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the new generation of readers, not the one that's people my age and just getting older
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every year," right? Because that's what happens and if your audience gets older every year,
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a sign that you're not picking up new younger readers or viewers or whatever. I think they
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say that that audience is more diverse and wants to see the reality of the world reflected
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in what the comic stories are being told. And so you're seeing a lot more of that. And
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is that because Marvel Comics is making a political statement? I think I would go with
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the fact that it's also about money and about serving new audiences who want to see these
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characters reflect the world a little bit more than they do now. And they're creating
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new intellectual property. The fact is people are agitating and have been agitating for
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like a Spider-Man movie with Miles Morales in it. And I think in the long run that that
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is what's going to happen. The comics publishers are owned by, the two mainstream comics publishers
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are owned by movie studios, essentially. And so, a lot of--they want the comics publishers
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to make money, but really what they want is the comics publishers to incubate new characters
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and stories that they can then use in movies. And so I think part of what's going on with
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Marvel is that they're kind of investing for the next wave of Marvel movies five years
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from now, ten years from now, and be able to use these characters in situations that
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have become more familiar. Because they're dealing with the legacy of so many classic
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comic book superheroes are just white guys and occasionally women. The Falcon famously
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was added as the first black superhero in the 70s. And the Black Panther, and there's
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a movie coming out with Black Panther who appeared in the Civil War movie. It's a business
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and I think they're trying to create some new raw material that they can use on screen
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as well. I think that's happening too.
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So what apps should I be using if I want to read comics on my devices?
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Well I think Comixology is still the best app for reading comics. Period. It's a very
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good app. Unfortunately, on iOS, it's a lot less good than it used to be and a lot less
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good than it is on Android because they had to pull out the in-app purchase. They didn't
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have to. They pulled out the in-app purchase because Comixology was bought by Amazon, and
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Amazon's policy is they're not sharing 30% of their sales with Apple. So like with Kindle
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Books, you have to buy Comixology in a web browser. You have to buy your comics in a
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web browser and then they appear in your in your app. Although I would say if you are
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only using Marvel only reading Marvel or DC Comics the Marvel app the regular Marvel comics
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app and the regular DC Comics app are Comixology. It's called the white label which basically
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means it's the comic Comixology app relabeled to look like a Marvel and DC app but they
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behave the same way and they actually use the same backend and since those are from
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publishers you can still buy in those because the publisher is happy to give 30% to Apple
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or at least finds that acceptable because the publishers always have a middleman between
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them and the customer. They don't sell direct really, but it didn't work for Comixology
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because they're a reseller so they're already the middleman and then Apple also wants to
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be the middleman and that becomes a problem. Middleman also, a good superhero name. So
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if you only read Marvel or DC you can just use the Marvel or DC app and buy your comics
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that way and you're basically getting the Comixology reader and in fact your purchases
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will show up in Comixology too. So that's a tip if you want to buy comics from Marvel
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or DC you can use the white label version of Comixology that they use to sell comics.
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peculiar. Yeah, it is interesting. And then I also use the Marvel Unlimited app, which
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is great. It's a great service. It's a good value. The app is still not great, but is
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getting better all the time, I guess I would say. And the service, because there you pay
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a monthly or annual fee, pay the annual fee. It's like $60, $70, and you will read $60
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worth of comics in a couple of days using Marvel Unlimited. It's a pretty great deal.
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So how does the service work? So when you subscribe, you basically, it's like Netflix,
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but only for Marvel Comics. They have a huge library of old Marvel Comics going up to about
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six months ago. They trail it by about six months because they want the people who want
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to buy today's comics to pay them $3 or $4 for a comic. But after about six months, they
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show up on Marvel Unlimited and there's a huge back catalog. And so the story I always
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tell is that I was on a trip, a business trip, and I read like a run of like 30 issues of
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Daredevil by Mark Waid or 25 issues on my trip there and back. And then I did the calculation
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of how much it would have cost for me to buy all those issues. And it was like the cost
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of a Marvel Unlimited subscription for just those comics. Because comics aren't cheap.
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when they're older and discounted, they're not cheap. So Marvel Unlimited, if you want
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to read Marvel Comics, is a good deal. Unfortunately, Comixology Unlimited, which they also have,
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is not a good deal, I have to say. It's kind of a sampler service. They put the first few
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issues of some comics, independent comics, not Marvel and DC Comics, on there. But the
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goal seems to very much be like, they want you to pay for the service, but really what
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they're trying to get you to do is get into the comics with the first few issues and then
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buy a lot more comics. So it's not bad if you want to explore comics you wouldn't otherwise
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want to read. And it's not that expensive, I think it's like five or six bucks a month,
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but it's not, you can't like go through a whole run of a comic book series. It doesn't
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work like that. They won't give you issues one through twenty-five. They'll give you
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issues one through four and then they want you to buy the rest. So it's a less good deal.
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And DC has nothing. DC doesn't have an all-you-can-eat comic app at all, which is frustrating because
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I find myself curious. I was always a Marvel guy, but I find myself curious about some
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DC comics, and you know, but I'm not going to go buy $40 worth of something and hope
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that it's good. There's, you know, I liked the ability with Marvel Unlimited to try something
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out and read a few issues and abandon it or just kind of go through and read them all.
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How many comics can you kind of download to the device with Marvel Unlimited?
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The website, oh, the website says 12.
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12 I think is, I think is the number, yeah.
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But do they do just single issues or can you get like whole trade collections in Marvel
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I think they're all single issues on Marvel Unlimited.
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I think that's how it's structured.
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See, that's a shame.
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I don't know why you can't just download any amount you want, like you're paying for it.
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Well, it's a good question.
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I think there's a piracy fear there or a, "I'm going to download a thousand issues and
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then cancel my subscription, and now I've got them all locally." I agree. I think it's
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a little unreasonable. It's a little bit like, you know, Amazon lets you download movies
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and TV from the Amazon video app, and it's fine. And you can download many episodes and
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fill up your device. So I think it probably should be more. And they only have themselves
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to blame. They can't say, "Oh, don't blame us. We're just the service. It's the publisher
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who demands on this. They're the publisher. It's direct from them. They should probably
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do more than 12.
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Because I just feel like, you know, you'd go on a long plane journey and you'd have
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12 issues and then you finish it and you want the 13th and there's nothing you can do.
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You take longer flights than I do. But yeah, yeah, it's true. It's true. I wish there were
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more, but it is, you can, you can stash away a dozen issues to read on a plane and that's
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So for someone like me then, who's maybe thinking about getting back in and I, whenever I have
00:52:58
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read comics I like to just go through one series or something you would maybe suggest Marvel Unlimited
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as a good option for me. Yeah if you're trying to get back into comics and you like Marvel
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Comics, Marvel Unlimited is a great deal because I can tell you and I will in a little bit give you
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reading suggestions and instead of saying well I mean we just did this we just did a comic book
00:53:21
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club episode of The Incomparable that'll come out in the next few weeks and I bought three trade
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paperback editions of that comic. It's "Astro City" by Kurt Busiek. And each one of them
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is like 13 bucks. So, you know, $39 later, I bought three trades. And they're good. They're
00:53:40
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really good. I'm going to buy more. It's going to be real expensive. But, because there are
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like 13 of them. But here's the thing. If you get Marvel Unlimited, which you could
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even try monthly, or like I said, I think the year, the annual deal is a great deal
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for 69 bucks or whatever it is. I can tell you, "read this and this and this and this
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and this," and you already paid your entry fee and you just read them and there's no
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extra charge. And if you don't like one, you don't feel bad that you spent money on it
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because you didn't. You just, you know, you're in the door at that point. And there's something
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really freeing about that. And the way comic book storytelling really happens oftentimes
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is it's runs over many issues or even across different books and you read one and then
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want to read the next and then you want to read the next. And Marvel Unlimited is really
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great at that because you're not making a financial transaction every time you want
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to read the next one. You just read the next one.
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So what's ComiXology Unlimited, though? ComiXology Unlimited is, like I said earlier,
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it's like Marvel Unlimited in the sense that you pay a subscription fee and you have access
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to a certain number. They have a library of comics. You can save them on your device to
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read later. You don't have to be online to read them. And it's with independent publishers
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instead of Marvel or DC. It's the smaller comic book publishers. But the difference
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is most of what's in their library seems to be first trades or the equivalent first five
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issues, six issues, four issues of a lot of different comics. And then also it seems like
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month by month they go, things disappear and then other things reappear, which is not really
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what happens in Marvel Unlimited, they just keep adding stuff every month. So, every week,
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in fact. So, ComiXology Unlimited is a little different in that it's not for... it's for
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discovery. When I interviewed David Steinberger, who's the CEO of ComiXology and is the head
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of comics for Amazon, and that's how he described it to me was, it's a discovery service. And
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I can see how they got the independent publishers on board with this service is they're probably
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not making any money on it, but what they're doing is essentially giving away free just
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to the people who pay for the service, but once you're in the door, free samples of their
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comics, the first few issues. But the ultimate goal of that service seems to be to get you
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to buy more comics. Like, buy more comics directly. Like, you want the rest of this
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story after the first four issues? You know, the second trade is never available, or the
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third trade is never available on Comixology Unlimited because the goal of the product
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is to get you to buy those.
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It's a taste.
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Marvel Unlimited, I mean, I guess part of the goal is to get you so into a storyline
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that you can't wait for six months for it to show up on Unlimited and you'll go and
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buy it, but it's really to make money from people out of their immense back catalogue
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that is not really being monetized properly, I think they would say. And, you know, now
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getting $70 a year from me to read old comics that I wasn't going to buy. So that's a—or
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probably wasn't going to buy. I'm sure they're trading some trade paperback sales, but a
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lot of their stuff—a lot of those old comics are just out of print and, you know, the money
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is in hand for me for my subscription.
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All right, so give me some—give me some suggestions. What should I check out? What
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should people be checking out?
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Let's see. So, if you do Marvel Unlimited, I recommend—I've got some standard recommendations,
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which is Hawkeye by Matt Fraction. The new Ms. Marvel. Have you read that? By Willow
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Wilson? It's very good. Ms. Marvel was a character invented in the '70s, hence the Ms. that was
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supposed to be like super cutting edge in 1975, named Carol Danvers who got promoted
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to be Captain Marvel now. And Captain Marvel is actually a good comic too. But then they
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made a new Ms. Marvel who is a girl who lives in New Jersey named Kamala Khan and uh...
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Oh yeah, I've heard about this. And uh, those are fun. Those are a lot of fun.
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Immortal Iron Fist is another one that I really like.
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That's done by the same guy who did Hawkeye, right?
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Who did Hawkeye, yeah. Yeah, it's the same creative team, more or less, that did Hawkeye.
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It's very good. It's very good. I'm currently on Marvel Unlimited reading a miniseries that's
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only about half on Marvel Unlimited now, but it's coming out called Worst X-Man Ever.
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Okay, this sounds great. Like, whatever it is, it sounds great.
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It is hilarious. It is a story about a guy who turns out to be a mutant and has to go
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live with the X-Men, but his X-Men power is terrible and he basically can't use it, but
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he has to live with the X-Men and it's funny and it's actually written by the singer in
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a band I like but he also is a comic book writer now. It's kind of funny how that happened.
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His name is Max Bemis from the band Say Anything but he is a comic book nerd supreme. I am
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reading The Vision which is a weird weird comic about the red skinned android, synthesoid
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whatever he is who you may remember from the Avengers and Civil War. And then this, he's
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got a family and he's living in the suburbs and it's so strange. It's a very strange comic
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but it's very, very smart.
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- That sounds weird.
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- Vision, yeah, it is. And if you're a Star Wars fan, Myke, are you a Star Wars fan? A
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- You know I'm a Star Wars fan.
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- The new Star Wars comic is on there on Marvel Unlimited because Marvel publishes it and
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of course that's all owned by Disney. The new Star Wars comic is pretty good and there's
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a Darth Vader comic that's also quite good actually and is set after the first Star Wars
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movie where Vader is kind of in the doghouse because he let the Death Star get destroyed
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and what he does and like the missions that he's on. It's pretty clever. I like that one
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a lot too. They've gotten those are it used to be that all the tie-in comics were written
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by people who were, you know, they were doing it because it was work and they were getting
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paid, but it was workman-like at best and they left their best work often for the stuff
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that they were creating themselves. These Marvel comics about Star Wars are written
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by great comics writers who love Star Wars and Marvel and Disney and Lucas, you know,
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Whoever is paying them is paying them well to write really good comics about this world
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that they love.
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And so they're cut above most tie-in kind of comics.
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So that's what I'm writing on Unlimited.
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And then the other stuff that I'm reading that is largely through Comixology that I
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recommend to you and to other people.
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Like I said, Astro City, which came out in the '90s and is really great.
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It's amazing if you're a long-time comic reader, especially.
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series about a city full of superheroes and the people who live there. It's pretty great.
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I'm reading The Fuse, which is a sci-fi procedural, crime procedural, which is by
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Antoni Johnston, who appears on The Incomparable Network in several places. Very good. That's a
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really good sci-fi. It's like space. It's crime procedural in space. It's like homicide life on
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on the street in a space station, it's pretty great. I'm reading Morning Glories, which
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has just had its 50th issue came out. It is a mind-blowing, complicated, if you liked
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Lost but thought that the mysteries on Lost were not weird and complicated enough, Morning
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Glories. I recommend it for that because that's what it is. I am reading Amazing Spider-Man
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because I love Spider-Man and the current run of Amazing Spider-Man is pretty good.
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And if you go on Marvel Unlimited you can read the old, it's Matt Fraction has been
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writing that for a few years now and it's all pretty good. I'm also reading Spider-Man
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without the adjective and that's the Miles Morales book. It's the follow-on, it's the
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successor to Ultimate Spider-Man which is my favorite comic of the last decade probably
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by Brian Michael Bendis. I'm reading Invincible which is by Robert Kirkman, the guy who did
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the Walking Dead, but this is his superhero comic. It's from Image.
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It's one of my very favorite comics. I've read a ton of Invincible. It is surprisingly
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brutal which you would expect if you'd read The Walking Dead, but it is so good. So good.
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Yeah, Invincible is great. And I'm up, I've, yeah, that one I've been reading, Lisa Schmeiser
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turned me on to that one. It's really good. It's a, and because it's an independent comic,
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it's set in its own little universe, so there's all sorts of superheroes that you've never
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heard of before who are the friends of invincible and and it's a dramatic
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things can happen because they don't have to tie it in with 80 other comic
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books and dramatic things do happen in invincible I'm reading Buffy the vampire
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Slayer season 10 that they followed on from the show which is my favorite TV
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show of all time with now what is it three seasons of what happened next to
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those characters supervised by Joss Whedon the creator of the show and he
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wrote the first season and a half or something like that and so it's fun to
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revisit those characters in something that feels like it's semi-official.
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The Wicked and the Divine is a great comic that is about gods being reincarnated
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as rock stars basically. It's good. It's weird but it's good. And Saga which
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which everybody recommends, but is truly a weird, great comic. So, that's it. That's
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what I'm reading, more or less.
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If you had wondered why the show notes were so huge this week, that is why.
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This is why.
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Because I have got links for all of them, as I've been collecting whilst you've been
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That's good.
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So they were all in our show notes, which will be in your podcast app of choice, which
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may have crashed, or...
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at relay.fm/upgrade/98.
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They will all be there.
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Jason, there are some excellent picks and suggestions
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in there which I'm gonna have to check out, I think.
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I'm gonna have to look at a bunch of these.
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'Cause I'm very interested, very interested.
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So I'm gonna do that.
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- I was reading them all on,
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so I was reading Astro City yesterday
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and I will say one of the other reasons
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in addition to the fact that I really like
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the software keyboard and I like the size of the screen,
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one of the reasons that I really love
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the 12.9 inch iPad Pro is that comics look so good on it. They look so good. It is just
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full-sized. It's beautiful. They look beautiful on that giant iPad screen. They look good
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on the – I mean, I used to read comics on the iPad mini, and I sort of have to zoom
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in a little and pan around. And on the regular 9.7 iPad, they look good, but on that 12.9,
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They look amazingly good.
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So that's I recommend the 12.9 iPad Pro for if you've got one, it's a pretty great comic
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I gotta say.
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Yes, I've just been looking for like little pieces of entertainment to break up my day.
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You know, and I've been watching more YouTube videos and stuff for that reason.
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But this could be a really interesting and fun alternative.
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Yeah, 20 a 22 page comic is a pretty good.
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I do that sometimes clockwise we do on Wednesdays and that's the day that the new comics come
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out and there's usually a comic that I buy on Wednesday and often that's what I do is
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I will I will record and edit clockwise and post it and then I will I'll read a comic
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and maybe make some lunch and then I go about the rest of my day and it's a nice little
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mental break in there.
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Hey that's a good way to do it to start your day.
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So aside from all this comic talk I think it's time for some Ask Upgrade.
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All right let's do it.
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Luke asked, "How does Myke decide between saying Apple, Amazon, Google companies?"
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So let's say Apple is an Apple are.
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This is your mid-Atlantic language processing center now.
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You're part British, part American wording.
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So the way that we're taught this and the way that it's done in English English is that
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a company or an entity like that is a sum of its parts, not one single thing. So to
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my mind, the way that I think is correct in my head is saying that Apple have or they
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because it's a company of people and those people did that thing, right? That's how it
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is in my head.
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It's a plural mass counting object and it's the same reason that Brits will say the army are attacking
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Which because army is a plural mass count object. It means a collection of many things
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There's not an army. It's the army and the army is a plural. Mm-hmm, but as of many things these days
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Americans, bloody Americans.
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- It's moving all over the map for me right now,
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and whilst it makes the most sense to me
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to say it in the plural,
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I am finding myself saying it in the singular.
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And I have to know, I noticed this a couple of weeks ago.
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You said Apple R.
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- I noticed this, so I'm doing this to you.
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- No, well, so this is actually a long-standing problem
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in covering companies like this,
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because I think, I do think this is moving.
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I think companies being referred to as "they" rather than "it" is something that's
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happening in American English. At least I see it in technology because we always struggled
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with that. Like on the Macworld copy desk, this was certainly always the case. It's
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like, "Apple isn't it. Apple is not a they." And so what you'd say is, you know, you'd
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say the people at Apple, the executives at Apple, if you could do that, the programmers
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at Apple, the developers at Apple, then you get to use "they," but if you just like Apple,
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you know, when it introduced the iPad is what you have to say, because that's the rule.
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Now I kind of am lax on that these days because I feel like there's the colloquialism.
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I think that's ugly.
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I kind of agree. It's more accurate, but I don't think it's how people talk. I think,
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know, "Oh, did Apple come out with something new? I love it when they do that," right?
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People say that, right?
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I love it when it does that.
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I love it when it does that, right? The robot that is Apple disgorges a block. It's like,
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"Yay, it did it! It came out with a new thing. Hooray! All hail the robot!" No, it's a "they"
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because it is. So I think people do think of these companies as "they"s more than "its."
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So I think usage is tracking the other way there, but the proper usage would be that
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Apple is a singular in American English. But I do feel like there's... It's always telling
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when people's instincts for conversation and how people refer to things casually are pulling
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away from the standard, because that probably means the standard won't last because nobody
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talks like that. And at some point, that'll be the end of whatever that thing is. So I
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do think that's happening. But we still say the army is attacking, not the army are attacking.
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Matthew asked, "How long do you think Tim Cook will remain the CEO of Apple? Ten years
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from now would take him to around the age of 65. Is it more likely that he would hold
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a high profile job like this past retirement age, so past those 10 years, or because of
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the high profile nature of the job, would it be more likely that he would retire early?"
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question, I don't really have an answer for it, right? My thinking is, and it's such like
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a pish-posh answer, is for as long as it's right for him to be there, that could be a
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year or it could be 20 years, right? Like, we have no idea. For as long as Apple is doing
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well and as long as the board and everybody that works at Apple are happy that he is there,
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then have him be there. Like there shouldn't necessarily be an age limit that times him
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out of being the CEO.
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Right. Well, there's also lots of succession planning stuff, which is like the here's
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at some point is there somebody who he feels is as he's getting up on there that there's
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very clearly somebody who's he's training to be the CEO. That was the case with Steve
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Jobs is, although they never talked about it until, literally until Steve Jobs needed
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to be replaced on an interim basis and then replaced when he resigned as CEO, they didn't
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talk about it, but Tim Cook was the succession plan, right? And I'm sure they have a succession
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plan if something happened to Tim Cook today. I'm sure they've got something in place about
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what would happen next, but over time, as Tim Cook starts to think about how long do
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I want to do this?" He seems like a very driven guy and I think he's driven by not only by
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the success of Apple and by his own personal drive to be a success but also by the thoughts
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that they're sort of the stewards of Steve Jobs' legacy. I think that he's going to be
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there a while unless, like with Steve Jobs, unless something happens and he's not able
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to do the job anymore. But a time will come when he will probably, ideally I think he
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would step into a role in 10 or 15 years where he's the chairman of the board or something
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like that, right? And there's a new CEO and that he's still around for a while on the
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board. I think that is a way that a lot of businesses handle transitions like that. But
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I don't know. I don't think it's going to happen anytime soon. I think there would have
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to be some, you know, Apple calamity, which given Apple's current position seems unlikely
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something like that to happen. So I think at this point my gut feeling is that he's
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going to be here for quite a while.
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I mean I assume that considering the history of the company now that there are always succession
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plans in place.
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I'm sure there are but there's the in an emergency succession plan versus the plan
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for the future. The timed succession plan kind of thing and those change over time and
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all of that. But I think Apple also, I would say, is not a company, unless you're a dummy
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who writes for Business Insider or something like that, Apple is not a company that even
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as a shareholder you look at and say, "Oh, what they really could use is somebody from
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the outside to reform what they're doing." Like, the whole story of Apple, right down
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to the training at Apple University, right, is doing it the Apple way and that nobody
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does it like Apple. And as a result, I would also say, you're never going to replace the
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CEO of Apple with somebody from the outside. It's never, never, never going to happen.
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It would take…
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It would take a calamity. Well, yeah, not… Well, look how great it worked with… Well,
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Gil Amelio was from the inside. No, Gil Amelio was not. Michael Spindler was from the inside.
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Emilio was not from the inside, and of course John Sculley was not from the inside. But
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I, you know, since Jobs has returned, I mean, the whole success that they've had since
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Jobs returned is all about Apple recognizing that it does things its own way, and everybody
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tries to emulate Apple. I think it's unlikely that somebody, maybe it could be somebody
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who was like great at Apple and then went and did their own thing and was great with
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that, and then could be brought back. That could be a scenario, but I don't see it. I
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feel like Apple, this is not a job where there's any sanity for like, "Oh, what if Tim Cook,
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you know, what if the shareholders get angry at Apple's sales being flat and they replace
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Tim Cook?" It's like, "I don't know. I don't know if there is somebody to replace him."
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And there certainly is not a scenario I see where they're going to bring in just some
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other tech industry CEO and pop them in and say, "You fix Apple." I just don't even see
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that as a reasonable possibility, certainly anytime soon. It would take a calamity for
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that to happen.
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Reid asked, "I'd like to buy a 13-inch iPad Pro for university, but should I wait
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for a possible iPad Pro 2 this fall?" I don't think there's going to be another iPad
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Pro of any size until March of next year, but if you can wait until the September event
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has passed, then you should. Just in case.
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Well yeah, if you can hold out, but if you're going off to university, probably going off
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sooner than that.
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Yeah, so if for any reason you can, like maybe you have a laptop and you're going to use
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a laptop for a bit and you're good to wait until September then do that but I
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don't think you're gonna have a problem from that I don't think we're gonna see
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one in September but if you can wait you should but I think it's gonna be March.
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That's my gut feeling too is that they'll get they'll get them on synced
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up and they'll probably get them synced up in the in the spring on the year
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anniversary of the 9.7. Clive asked do you think that the new iPhone will have
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a true tone display like the 9.7 inch iPad Pro. I really do think so. I think that this
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is like the new retina.
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Yeah, why not? I think they will put this across the line eventually. You're adding
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a sensor and you're adding some color management. A lot of it's happening in software other
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than that sensor. So yeah, I think it'll go everywhere over time. I would be surprised
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if the new iPhone didn't have it. It's possible if they're gonna really differentiate the
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plus model from the regular model that it could only be in the plus model but I would
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put money probably on it being on both models, yeah.
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E: And Brent asked, "How does Myke say…" Jason, can you say this so as not to spoil
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JE It's my former employer in fact at one point,
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ZDNet from Ziff Davis originally, ZDNet. How do you say ZDNet?
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Well, because obviously I say the letter Z, right? I don't say Z.
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Yes, you do.
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But I would still say ZDNet because that's the name of the company.
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Okay, so you would say ZDNet.
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Yeah, because they're not called ZDNet.
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It's true, they're not. That's a terrible name. ZDNet. ZDNet.
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I mean, let's be honest, ZDNet is not that much better.
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So the story is that it was Ziff Davis Publishing and they published PC Magazine and Mac User
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magazine and PC computing and Computer Shopper, all these magazines from the 80s and the 90s
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that people may remember if you're old like me. And it was an enthusiast publishing company
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originally and they had like a flying magazine and a photography magazine and other magazines
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like that. And by the time I got there in the 90s, you know, Bill Ziff owned it. Davis
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was long since gone and Ziff Davis Publishing was it. But Bill Ziff wanted to retire and
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his sons wanted to be venture capitalists. They did not want to be in the publishing
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business at the time as an employee of Ziff Davis I was like, "Oh man!" And today I
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look back and I'm like, "Smart gentlemen, get out of the media business, sell that thing
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off, take the money, invest in other things. Good job, boys!" So when they left, they
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started Ziff Brothers Investments, I think, or Ziff Investments, and one of the conditions
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of the sale of Ziff Davis Publishing was the ceasing—because people shortened it to Ziff.
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Everybody would just call it Ziff. I work at Ziff. And the Ziff family didn't want
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that. The Ziff family wanted their name back. The Ziff Brothers wanted it on their investment
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firm. And so one of the conditions of selling it was to change it to not have Ziff Davis
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in the name. So they became ZD Publishing and ZDNet, which they had already done. They
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had already changed that to ZDNet from ZiffNet, which is actually what it had been before.
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And that's why that name exists. And it's a terrible name, but it was meant as a bridge
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to, um, you know, to exist from Ziff Davis publishing.
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Why any vestige of that remains almost 20 years later or more than 20 years
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later is beyond me, because I think it is also a terrible name.
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There's a little history, a little old history.
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Pull up a chair.
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Everybody let me let old uncle Jason tell you about publishing in the nineties when
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magazines were printed on dead trees.
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Tom would like to know, are you going to Comic Con?
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So this is Tom Zoller who does the Fantastic Love and Capes web comic and I saw him on
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a panel a few years ago at Comic Con.
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But I'm here, Myke, I'm sitting in my chair and it's Comic Con week.
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I'm not going to Comic Con.
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Comic Con is huge.
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I love San Diego but I don't love San Diego during Comic Con week.
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is not so bad, Friday is kind of bad, and the weekend is kind of just complete disaster.
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So I may gin up the courage to go back to Comic-Con at some point in the next few years,
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although it's harder now for me to get a press pass, I think, than when I was the editor-in-chief
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of Macworld. That was a lot easier. And quite frankly, I went because I thought the tech
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angle of comics on the iPad, which we talked about earlier today, was a really interesting
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story right after the iPad came out. Now it's just kind of part of the conversation. It's
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like not, there are not so many story angles for me for that anymore. So maybe someday,
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but not this year. Last year, we inaugurated the official Snell vacation strategy of, for
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years I would walk around Comic-Con and think, "Boy, I love San Diego. This place would
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be really nice if all these people weren't here for Comic-Con." And so last year, Lauren
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and I went for a couple of nights to San Diego. We stayed in the hotel right next to the convention
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Center and we were there the week before Comic Con, the weekend before Comic Con. This year
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we're going, and we're staying in the Gaslamp District right next to the Convention Center,
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and we're going the week after Comic Con.
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Why does it have to be around Comic Con?
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Well, because it's the summer and we're taking the kids down to visit with her parents and
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the kids stay there for another week and a half or so. So the timing tends to be just
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during the summer, and for a few years it was timed so that I could go to Comic Con.
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it's time so that we can go not to Comic-Con. So it's the kind of "un-Comic-Con"
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experience. So Tom, if you're hanging around for an extra week after Comic-Con
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in San Diego, I will be there, but otherwise I will not be there. And our
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last question this week, you mentioned this a bunch, what is the weather station
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that you use in your backyard? This come from Josh. I've heard this from a lot of
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people. I'm using a station that I installed when my son was born and he is
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now 11 so it's the Davis Vantage Pro Davis still makes a Vantage Pro 2 it's
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really expensive it lasts I can say that that after almost 12 years in my backyard
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it still functions and in fact I've even upgraded a couple of things on it so
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it's it functions better now in some ways I had to replace the little backup
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battery a couple of times but it's still working there are lots of other options
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One of these days I will try to do a survey of weather stations, but like Netatmo makes
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one that's a lot less expensive, and you can tie them all into weather underground, and
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so there are a lot of other options out there. Davis is not particularly MAC friendly, I'm
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using a piece of MAC software called WeatherCat that is compatible with a lot of different
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weather stations that are out there, because it turns out a lot of these weather stations
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are not Mac friendly. And WeatherCat isn't fantastic, but it's fine, it's good, it lets
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me build my custom webpage of my weather station and also upload my data to Weather Underground
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where I can see it in apps and stuff. But even something like the Netatmo stuff, which
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I think starts at like $150 or something, is going to be good. And then you can add
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sensors and stuff to it, whereas the thing that I've got probably costs like $800 or
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Alright, so I think that about wraps it up for this week.
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It's 68 degrees Fahrenheit right now, Myke. Just a little
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weather information for you, a little weather update. Good to know. We're in the high 80s today.
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It's 20C. It's 20C. So yeah, cool. We have a cooling trend.
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We're in a heating trend. It's not pleasant here right now.
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Yeah, it shouldn't be warmer in London than it is anywhere in the United States ever.
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It's 27 degrees Celsius right now. Well, at least one of us
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us is having a summer. And it's going up to 32 degrees Celsius tomorrow. So old Myke will
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be seeing things when he's recording. Goodbye. With all the windows and doors closed. Turning
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into a big blob of a man. Thank you so much for listening to this week's episode of Upgrade.
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Goodbye, everybody.
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