Upgrade

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00:00:08 ◼   ► From Relay FM, this is Upgrade, episode number 119.

00:00:12 ◼   ► Today's show is brought to you by Encapsula, Foot Cardigan, Eero, and Away.

00:00:18 ◼   ► My name is Myke Hurley, and I am joined by Mr. Jason Snell.

00:00:21 ◼   ► Hi Myke, I'm just sitting here in the place that I'm always sitting when we do Upgrade.

00:00:26 ◼   ► Nothing special, nothing different.

00:00:28 ◼   ► How about you?

00:00:29 ◼   ► Should we just fall off?

00:00:32 ◼   ► I am standing right now, and standing is the key, we're going to talk about that a little

00:00:36 ◼   ► bit later on, in mega office, my new office.

00:00:41 ◼   ► Beta 0.2.

00:00:42 ◼   ► Yeah, so expect things to sound weird and echoey and everything, because I haven't got

00:00:48 ◼   ► anything ready, and that's just the way it's going to be today, I think.

00:00:54 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:00:55 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:00:56 ◼   ► settle into this place and later on in the episode I'm gonna talk a little bit

00:01:00 ◼   ► about what my what my setup arrangement is here because it's extremely different.

00:01:05 ◼   ► We'll look back on this this period and and it'll be those fond memories of

00:01:11 ◼   ► Myke's transitional phase when he was moving and still doing podcasts while

00:01:15 ◼   ► moving but now you know just we got we got to do it. I'm very excited for

00:01:20 ◼   ► you I'm very excited that you're there. You were saying before we get started

00:01:24 ◼   ► Maybe you should have taken the week off, but you know what?

00:01:27 ◼   ► You're soldiering on.

00:01:28 ◼   ► I got to put this content out.

00:01:30 ◼   ► People, they want the content.

00:01:31 ◼   ► They're demanding it.

00:01:33 ◼   ► They want to hear our thoughts about Home Alone.

00:01:36 ◼   ► They do.

00:01:36 ◼   ► That's true.

00:01:37 ◼   ► I was going to say you could get a guest host,

00:01:38 ◼   ► but then who would talk to me about Home Alone?

00:01:40 ◼   ► I will not accept that.

00:01:41 ◼   ► I will not accept anybody else to talk about Home Alone.

00:01:44 ◼   ► I mean, seriously, that's like--

00:01:46 ◼   ► I've spent how many years not watching Home Alone,

00:01:50 ◼   ► and now here we are and I've seen it.

00:01:52 ◼   ► So, you know, 25 plus years in the making of me waiting to see Home Alone and you are

00:01:57 ◼   ► the person I waited to see it, well not see it with, talk about it after I saw it.

00:02:02 ◼   ► Kind of see it with.

00:02:03 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:02:04 ◼   ► Close enough.

00:02:05 ◼   ► All right, we mentioned last week that we're going to be doing voting for the upgradees

00:02:10 ◼   ► for this year and we want you all to be involved.

00:02:14 ◼   ► So you will find a link in the show notes to the voting form, the Google form for the

00:02:19 ◼   ► third annual upgradees.

00:02:21 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, so we put in a bunch of nominees and I think there's a fill in the blank too

00:02:27 ◼   ► and so you can influence what we talk about in the Upgradies episode which will be coming

00:02:34 ◼   ► out the first of the year. So you've got some time to influence our decisions.

00:02:41 ◼   ► Or the second.

00:02:43 ◼   ► Yes, well I mean I sort of meant colloquially the first of the year but yes it will literally

00:02:49 ◼   ► be January 2nd, 2017. Put that on your calendars.

00:02:52 ◼   ► We have, as I said, we've shortlisted the things that me and Jason have thought of,

00:02:57 ◼   ► but we're very aware of the fact that there may be some things we haven't thought of.

00:03:01 ◼   ► So if you see something that you think desperately needs to be nominated in category, let us

00:03:06 ◼   ► know and you'll see I put a note right at the very top of the form that the chief upgradients

00:03:11 ◼   ► reserve the right to amend the nominee list and that's purely in case we've forgotten

00:03:15 ◼   ► anything.

00:03:16 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

00:03:17 ◼   ► - That's right, it sounds very formal for like,

00:03:19 ◼   ► oh geez, no, I can't believe we didn't say, you know.

00:03:22 ◼   ► But yes, very formal, chief upgradients decide.

00:03:24 ◼   ► Very formal, very serious.

00:03:25 ◼   ► - I thought it was better than just like,

00:03:27 ◼   ► we're leaving this open because we have terrible memories

00:03:30 ◼   ► and we haven't been writing stuff down throughout the year,

00:03:32 ◼   ► which is what I'm gonna do next year.

00:03:34 ◼   ► I've realized that I'm gonna start maybe keeping notes

00:03:36 ◼   ► throughout the year for the things that I wanna put

00:03:39 ◼   ► in the upgradies, so I don't forget.

00:03:41 ◼   ► On last week's show, we were talking about

00:03:47 ◼   ► keyboard shortcuts on the iPad.

00:03:49 ◼   ► And I mentioned how I really liked

00:03:51 ◼   ► when you press the Command key,

00:03:53 ◼   ► it shows you every available keyboard shortcut

00:03:55 ◼   ► and there's nothing on the Mac to do this.

00:03:57 ◼   ► Well, there's a few people wrote in

00:03:59 ◼   ► to let me know about something,

00:04:00 ◼   ► which I'm sure I have seen before.

00:04:03 ◼   ► As soon as it was sent to me, I remembered it,

00:04:05 ◼   ► but I never would have remembered it on my own

00:04:06 ◼   ► about the help of the Upgradients.

00:04:09 ◼   ► And Al was the first person to write in

00:04:11 ◼   ► to recommend an application called Cheat Sheet

00:04:15 ◼   ► by Stefan Furst.

00:04:16 ◼   ► And basically it does just that.

00:04:18 ◼   ► It gives you the ability to hold down a key

00:04:21 ◼   ► and see all of the keyboard shortcuts

00:04:23 ◼   ► available for the application that you're looking at.

00:04:26 ◼   ► So it is exactly what I was trying to wish into existence.

00:04:30 ◼   ► So it does exist.

00:04:32 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's actually a really great,

00:04:34 ◼   ► I wonder why that's not a Mac OS feature, right?

00:04:37 ◼   ► Like why Apple could presumably either look at

00:04:42 ◼   ► the contents of the menus and things like that,

00:04:46 ◼   ► or it could set up some sort of method by which developers

00:04:50 ◼   ► would define that stuff separately

00:04:53 ◼   ► for that particular feature.

00:04:54 ◼   ► I'm a little surprised that Apple doesn't offer that.

00:04:55 ◼   ► It seems like a very friendly feature,

00:04:57 ◼   ► and it's very nice on the iPad.

00:04:59 ◼   ► So I'm a little surprised that's not in Mac OS.

00:05:01 ◼   ► I have thought to myself that maybe the reason that it's not

00:05:04 ◼   ► there is because Mac applications have so many

00:05:07 ◼   ► keyboard shortcuts that it's kind

00:05:08 ◼   ► of an ugly and confusing thing.

00:05:11 ◼   ► Like you open up something like Photoshop or Logic,

00:05:15 ◼   ► and you will be swiping pages through pages

00:05:17 ◼   ► and the names that they're given won't make any sense

00:05:20 ◼   ► until you're actually acting, you know.

00:05:22 ◼   ► That's what I think is it might be a little bit

00:05:24 ◼   ► too entrenched to do this.

00:05:26 ◼   ► Like there are some applications like Airmail on iOS,

00:05:29 ◼   ► it has like three or four pages of them

00:05:30 ◼   ► and it's like this is too many.

00:05:31 ◼   ► - Right. - Right, so it's like,

00:05:33 ◼   ► I don't know what the right mix is there to be honest,

00:05:35 ◼   ► 'cause it's good to have the keyboard shortcuts

00:05:37 ◼   ► 'cause they're typically hidden, right?

00:05:39 ◼   ► So it's like if somebody finds them,

00:05:40 ◼   ► then good, you know, bully for them.

00:05:42 ◼   ► But there are many applications on the iPad that I find keyboard shortcuts for

00:05:47 ◼   ► that are not listed in that sheet and I don't really know how that's possible,

00:05:51 ◼   ► but it happens. Um, so yeah, they're there. Just,

00:05:55 ◼   ► just press all the keys. Press every key. Every time you get an application,

00:05:59 ◼   ► spend four hours pressing every single key and every single command key up, uh,

00:06:04 ◼   ► combination you can think of and write it all down.

00:06:06 ◼   ► Get a pad and a pen.

00:06:11 ◼   ► and as you're typing, take notes about what seems to happen.

00:06:14 ◼   ► And then, yeah, that's a great way to do it.

00:06:17 ◼   ► - That's our recommendation to you

00:06:18 ◼   ► for good keyboard shortcut behavior, I think.

00:06:23 ◼   ► - Honey, I can't come to dinner yet.

00:06:24 ◼   ► I've just moved from command to command shift.

00:06:27 ◼   ► I'll be a little while.

00:06:29 ◼   ► - I've got a new application.

00:06:30 ◼   ► Block off the calendar for a week.

00:06:32 ◼   ► Pizza watch. - I'm napping it.

00:06:35 ◼   ► - This is the second follow up I'm gonna call pizza watch.

00:06:38 ◼   ► Justin has written to let us know that Domino's, the great pizza chain of Domino's, is currently

00:06:44 ◼   ► using pineapple pepperoni in their advertising, Jason.

00:06:51 ◼   ► It's happening.

00:06:53 ◼   ► So thank you to Justin for letting us know that such a thing exists. I mean, I'm always

00:06:59 ◼   ► happy to know that people are eating their pizza in this way because it is the superior

00:07:04 ◼   ► combination.

00:07:05 ◼   ► Yeah, that's good, thank you. And this has been Pizza Watch.

00:07:09 ◼   ► [imitates laser sounds]

00:07:12 ◼   ► Oh yeah, that's much better. Lasers are used elsewhere.

00:07:15 ◼   ► Yeah. Oh, Myke, we had a lot of ARM follow-up.

00:07:19 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

00:07:21 ◼   ► Lot, lot, lot, lot.

00:07:23 ◼   ► Yep.

00:07:25 ◼   ► There was a big—the big news that honestly, I—

00:07:32 ◼   ► Microsoft doing stuff on ARM has been,

00:07:35 ◼   ► and working on an emulator has been out there.

00:07:37 ◼   ► I didn't really talk about it a whole lot,

00:07:38 ◼   ► but it's been out there for a little while.

00:07:41 ◼   ► But we, Microsoft has relaunched its ARM strategy.

00:07:46 ◼   ► If you may, you may remember that when the Surface launched,

00:07:50 ◼   ► there were two different kinds of Surfaces.

00:07:51 ◼   ► There was the Surface and the Surface RT basically.

00:07:54 ◼   ► And they went through different names.

00:07:57 ◼   ► There was Surface RT and Surface Pro and all that.

00:07:59 ◼   ► But basically there are two different kinds of Surfaces

00:08:01 ◼   ► that were made and are now are not.

00:08:05 ◼   ► Now it's just an Intel based one for the time being.

00:08:08 ◼   ► But for a while they made an ARM version.

00:08:10 ◼   ► That was the RT version and they had a RT version

00:08:13 ◼   ► of Windows and that was on ARM.

00:08:15 ◼   ► And it included Microsoft Office recompiled for ARM

00:08:19 ◼   ► but classic x86 apps wouldn't run on it

00:08:23 ◼   ► 'cause they didn't have an emulator.

00:08:24 ◼   ► And then it had all of the modern, you know,

00:08:26 ◼   ► Metro styling stuff on it too.

00:08:29 ◼   ► and it didn't really, you know,

00:08:32 ◼   ► it didn't take advantage of all that old Windows software.

00:08:34 ◼   ► And so people weren't that fond of it and it died.

00:08:38 ◼   ► But Microsoft is sort of going back to that again.

00:08:40 ◼   ► They're working with Qualcomm.

00:08:42 ◼   ► They're going to do not only an x86 emulator for ARM,

00:08:46 ◼   ► but a full on ARM version of Windows again.

00:08:49 ◼   ► And so in theory, you know,

00:08:51 ◼   ► you'll be able to buy a laptop next year,

00:08:53 ◼   ► maybe with a Snapdragon processor

00:08:55 ◼   ► like Qualcomm makes for smartphones.

00:08:57 ◼   ► and it will run Windows even though

00:09:00 ◼   ► that Snapdragon is an ARM processor,

00:09:02 ◼   ► and it will be able to run your old Windows software

00:09:06 ◼   ► in emulation.

00:09:07 ◼   ► So that's interesting.

00:09:09 ◼   ► The thing that I think, you know,

00:09:14 ◼   ► emulating x86 on ARM, it's emulation.

00:09:17 ◼   ► It's gonna, you know,

00:09:19 ◼   ► I don't think this changes the story for Apple at all.

00:09:21 ◼   ► If Apple wants to emulate, it can do it.

00:09:24 ◼   ► If it moved to ARM, you pay a penalty for that, right?

00:09:27 ◼   ► emulation will slow everything down because you're running a virtual chip inside a real

00:09:32 ◼   ► chip. But what I find really interesting about this story, when we were detailing all the

00:09:37 ◼   ► things about moving to ARM, this suggests that Microsoft is now publicly hedging about

00:09:46 ◼   ► the future of Intel. And I think that, to me, is the most fascinating thing about this

00:09:51 ◼   ► because Microsoft already tried this and kind of it was kind of a flop and yet here they

00:09:55 ◼   ► are again and maybe Qualcomm is pushing them and funding this, but I do wonder given that

00:10:00 ◼   ► Microsoft, you know, Windows matters to Microsoft and that Microsoft is doing this, the question

00:10:08 ◼   ► I have is what does that say about Microsoft's perception about the future of ARM processors

00:10:14 ◼   ► versus the future of Intel processors. And it's just another log on the fire, but I think

00:10:22 ◼   ► really interesting that that Microsoft is is committing to this. The emulation

00:10:31 ◼   ► thing is what's interesting to me. I mean if they consider it important enough

00:10:35 ◼   ► why not just I mean I guess they just don't want to have a specific version

00:10:39 ◼   ► again right because it ends up being a bifurcated disaster. Yeah I mean unless

00:10:46 ◼   ► I you know I think what Microsoft is hoping is that it'll just be you know it

00:10:50 ◼   ► just works, right, where developers will start compiling for both, but if you only have the

00:10:55 ◼   ► x86 version it'll work on ARM and it'll run an emulation. Theoretically an ARM Mac could

00:11:00 ◼   ► probably boot Windows for ARM natively but then run x86 apps in emulation inside of it.

00:11:09 ◼   ► It's weird. I don't know. It's a fascinating thing. I think it's really weird that they

00:11:16 ◼   ► They had Windows RT and killed it and now they're bringing it back, sort of.

00:11:21 ◼   ► But I don't know.

00:11:23 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:11:24 ◼   ► I mean, it's entirely possible, and we talked about some of this stuff last week, it's entirely

00:11:27 ◼   ► possible that Microsoft looks at mobile computing innovation and says, "This stuff could make

00:11:37 ◼   ► better laptops than what Intel is doing."

00:11:40 ◼   ► That Intel has just not done a good enough job with power saving and battery life and

00:11:45 ◼   ► and all those things, and the smartphone industry

00:11:48 ◼   ► is so successful that it's driving innovation so fast

00:11:53 ◼   ► that if we make a version of Windows that runs on this stuff

00:11:59 ◼   ► there will be a whole slew of laptop makers

00:12:02 ◼   ► who will embrace it and make pretty good laptops

00:12:05 ◼   ► that are running on ARM.

00:12:07 ◼   ► So it also could be that,

00:12:09 ◼   ► because Microsoft isn't choosing here, right,

00:12:11 ◼   ► that Microsoft is like, sure Qualcomm,

00:12:14 ◼   ► "Yeah, we'll make a version for you to try and sell to Dell and Lenovo and whoever else

00:12:19 ◼   ► to make PCs for." We can do that, but they're also still making the Intel version, and so

00:12:24 ◼   ► if it is a flop, the PC makers and Qualcomm will be the ones who are paying the most for

00:12:31 ◼   ► it.

00:12:32 ◼   ► Yeah, this is a slightly different game. I think people are looking at this and pointing

00:12:36 ◼   ► to it as a reason that Apple will go into or should do it, but I think Microsoft play

00:12:40 ◼   ► a different game, don't they?

00:12:42 ◼   ► You know, like you're saying about who does this impact the most?

00:12:46 ◼   ► Well, it's going to impact the people trying to sell the products.

00:12:49 ◼   ► Microsoft is still getting their licensing fee one way or another.

00:12:52 ◼   ► Right, Microsoft's putting down a bet in a way, and I'm not sure Apple...

00:13:02 ◼   ► A lot of the things that Microsoft does in public, Apple does in private.

00:13:05 ◼   ► I mean, I think you could take that back, like, all the way to almost everything.

00:13:10 ◼   ► is Apple working on augmented reality?

00:13:12 ◼   ► Sure they are.

00:13:13 ◼   ► Are they doing lots of demos

00:13:15 ◼   ► and have they given their product a name?

00:13:16 ◼   ► No, but HoloLens is the thing that's out there, right?

00:13:19 ◼   ► And so it's like, and that has always been the way

00:13:21 ◼   ► Microsoft was pre-announcing hardware and software

00:13:24 ◼   ► and features years before they shipped.

00:13:27 ◼   ► Sometimes they never did ship.

00:13:28 ◼   ► Let me tell you about the search in Longhorn.

00:13:30 ◼   ► Woo, it's gonna be great.

00:13:32 ◼   ► - Oh, Longhorn, last class from the past.

00:13:35 ◼   ► - We went to Europe like 2004 or something

00:13:38 ◼   ► and we were in a B&B in Amsterdam with this other young couple and they were, and it turned

00:13:44 ◼   ► out the guy was working on search for Longhorn and I was like, "Oh man, he's like, yeah."

00:13:50 ◼   ► Never shipped. Anyway.

00:13:51 ◼   ► LongHorn became Windows Vista basically.

00:13:54 ◼   ► Became Vista, yeah.

00:13:55 ◼   ► For a long time.

00:13:56 ◼   ► Yeah, but in some, sort of, but a lot of the stuff got dropped out.

00:14:01 ◼   ► Like Copeland, right?

00:14:02 ◼   ► It's not quite like saying Copeland became, you know, Mac OS 8 because it's sort of like,

00:14:07 ◼   ► a few of the bits of it did, but it's not quite the right analogy, but it's close.

00:14:13 ◼   ► So this is my point, is that Microsoft does this stuff in public because of the way, you

00:14:18 ◼   ► know, this is a weird metaphor, but like Microsoft keeps some of its organs outside its body,

00:14:23 ◼   ► but it's kind of like that, right? It's like Microsoft makes Windows, it makes kind of

00:14:26 ◼   ► the brain, but like, and then the computers, well, they do now make Surface, right? But

00:14:33 ◼   ► are all these PC makers, and they're part of this life form of the Windows PC world.

00:14:40 ◼   ► And Apple, it's all inside Apple. Like, Apple keeps it all inside. So, you know, is Apple

00:14:45 ◼   ► making a bet? I'm sure Apple, we've all talked about it, I'm sure Apple's got Macs that run

00:14:49 ◼   ► on ARM processors inside Apple, right? I mean, just as they did with Intel, where they had

00:14:53 ◼   ► the Intel project running for years inside Apple when they were using PowerPC. And I'm

00:14:58 ◼   ► sure they're investigating it. It wouldn't shock me if they've investigated all of this

00:15:02 ◼   ► stuff. You know, my whole thesis was it comes to Apple's disposition about how much effort

00:15:09 ◼   ► it's going to be to move the Mac over and if it's worth it, worth their time versus

00:15:13 ◼   ► just letting the Mac kind of ride. But seeing Microsoft publicly do something like this

00:15:18 ◼   ► makes me think, you know, Microsoft's pretty smart and the fate of Windows matters a lot

00:15:25 ◼   ► to them. And so you look at this and think that's another, that is interesting, that

00:15:32 ◼   ► That makes me wonder a little bit, makes me think a little differently about Apple's

00:15:36 ◼   ► internal calculation about it if Microsoft is kind of publicly hedging at this point.

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00:17:06 ◼   ► All right, so...

00:17:11 ◼   ► A little more on Arm, I think.

00:17:14 ◼   ► I thought we were done.

00:17:15 ◼   ► Let's continue on Arm, shall we?

00:17:17 ◼   ► I know you did, but I've just got a couple other quick things that are a little more

00:17:20 ◼   ► follow-up. Just, um, so we spent a lot of time on it.

00:17:23 ◼   ► Myke: Maybe I just subconsciously want Arm to just go away.

00:17:26 ◼   ► Tim Cynova Don't cut off your own arm, Myke. Here we

00:17:30 ◼   ► go. I heard from a lot of developers who say that emulation, or virtualization of x86 and

00:17:37 ◼   ► support of x86 is absolutely vital. And I am, like I said last week, I'm sure that it

00:17:43 ◼   ► is. What I wasn't trying to do was say, "I know that those people aren't important"

00:17:51 ◼   ► or something like that, but what I was trying to say is, I would think that

00:17:55 ◼   ► Apple has some idea of what percentage of its device sales are to people who

00:18:00 ◼   ► have to have x86 compatibility to do their jobs. And what we've seen with

00:18:08 ◼   ► Apple recently is that if that that number might be bigger than we would

00:18:14 ◼   ► like it to be at the point where Apple says it doesn't matter right I mean that

00:18:19 ◼   ► seems to be something that has been going on is like what we think of as

00:18:22 ◼   ► important may not be what Apple thinks of as important and I haven't seen any

00:18:26 ◼   ► good statistics saying this many Mac users in the installed base need an x86

00:18:34 ◼   ► system I mean I hear lots of anecdotes and I heard from several developers who

00:18:38 ◼   ► said, "Come on, there's got to be millions of them. I go to conferences at my job and

00:18:44 ◼   ► I see people who are using Macs and using various virtualization or systems and they

00:18:50 ◼   ► need x86 compatibility." But those are anecdotes and it's very easy to get down in a field

00:18:57 ◼   ► where everybody you know is doing certain kinds of work and needs that. And that's very

00:19:04 ◼   ► important to you and it's very important to them, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's

00:19:07 ◼   ► a very important slice of Apple's market. And I'm not saying it's not important,

00:19:13 ◼   ► but I'm saying that Apple may not think it's important. We don't know. And Apple

00:19:20 ◼   ► has shown that it is willing to, shown recently, that it is willing to make decisions that

00:19:26 ◼   ► it think benefit its products for the, you know, whether it's 95% or 98% or 90%, whatever,

00:19:35 ◼   ► of its user base to make the product that they use better at the expense of people who

00:19:41 ◼   ► are in that 1 or 2 or 5 or 10 percent that, you know, where it's very important to them.

00:19:48 ◼   ► And that's just where we are. So, you know, I don't, I would be kind of fascinated to

00:19:53 ◼   ► see if there are statistics about like how many Mac users, you know, rely on x86 compatibility

00:19:59 ◼   ► specifically to do their jobs. I heard some people say like web developers need x86 compatibility.

00:20:08 ◼   ► I'm not quite sure why that is because, yeah. Anyway, it's all fine. Anecdotes are great.

00:20:15 ◼   ► Don't send me more anecdotes. I don't want more anecdotes. I am curious if there's public

00:20:20 ◼   ► information about this. I'm sure Apple knows or has a very good idea of what percentage

00:20:26 ◼   ► of its sales are people who would not be able to buy a Mac if it didn't offer x86.

00:20:33 ◼   ► Yeah, I stand by my thinking from last time that I have no doubt that there are many,

00:20:38 ◼   ► many, many people that do this. Millions? I don't think so, but many, many, many,

00:20:42 ◼   ► many people that need this emulation stuff. Absolutely. And they would be very sad if

00:20:48 ◼   ► it went away. Absolutely. But I don't think that it's enough people if Apple want to

00:20:52 ◼   ► make this decision that they won't make it. I think the magnitude of this decision

00:20:56 ◼   ► is so great that if Apple makes it, what they're saying is this is so important that we're

00:21:02 ◼   ► willing to give that up. Like, I mean, that's the only reason. If it's big enough for them

00:21:07 ◼   ► to make a switch, it's big enough for them to say, you know, we're going to let the chips

00:21:11 ◼   ► fall where they may with people who are currently behind.

00:21:13 ◼   ► We're going to have to leave some people behind.

00:21:14 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

00:21:15 ◼   ► I just can't imagine a meeting room where they're saying, right, so we're ready to do

00:21:19 ◼   ► this and then somebody puts their hand up and says, well, you know, 1% of our customer

00:21:24 ◼   ► about issues is at boot camp, you know, or like some kind of emulation for something.

00:21:29 ◼   ► I can't, I was like, "Oh, okay, well, we'll stick on Intel's roadmap then." I just don't

00:21:34 ◼   ► see it happening.

00:21:35 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, it's possible that they would still do something like what Microsoft is

00:21:39 ◼   ► doing, which is use ARM in situations where it's necessary, which is laptops especially,

00:21:47 ◼   ► the MacBook would be the beachhead there. I think that it's a question, my gut feeling

00:21:51 ◼   ► is that it seems unlikely to me that Apple would long-term keep all the Mac on two separate

00:21:58 ◼   ► processor platforms. It seems unlikely to me, but it's not impossible that it would

00:22:04 ◼   ► do it. And this comes to another piece of feedback we got, which was, I heard from some

00:22:11 ◼   ► people who were like, "Hey, did you know that the iPad has a processor in it?" Yeah, I heard

00:22:19 ◼   ► that. I read that somewhere. My point about that was that the iPad Pro, the fastest iPad

00:22:27 ◼   ► Pro is about as fast as the slowest Mac. And that's it, you know, so just saying, well,

00:22:35 ◼   ► of course they could do it. Of course they could do it. The question is, how do you scale

00:22:39 ◼   ► to provide the kind of power and speed that is required by people who have faster Macs

00:22:46 ◼   ► than the MacBook.

00:22:48 ◼   ► And not saying they couldn't do it,

00:22:51 ◼   ► throw some more cores at it, whatever, they could do it.

00:22:55 ◼   ► It's just effort, it's more effort.

00:22:56 ◼   ► They can't just take a chip from an iPad,

00:22:59 ◼   ► pop it in a Mac and call it done,

00:23:01 ◼   ► unless they like, I mean, it's more than that

00:23:04 ◼   ► without going too much into it.

00:23:05 ◼   ► So yes, the iPad Pro has a very nice processor.

00:23:08 ◼   ► My iPad Pro has a processor that in single core operations,

00:23:13 ◼   ► I believe is faster than the 2016 MacBook.

00:23:16 ◼   ► not in dual, not a multi-core, it's a little bit slower,

00:23:19 ◼   ► but it's faster in single core.

00:23:20 ◼   ► That's pretty amazing.

00:23:21 ◼   ► But that's the 2016 MacBook.

00:23:26 ◼   ► You can't, you know, if you're picking and choosing,

00:23:29 ◼   ► the 2016 MacBook does not represent the best of the Mac.

00:23:32 ◼   ► It represents the worst of the Mac in terms of speed.

00:23:34 ◼   ► So yeah, anyway, in terms of new models, anyway,

00:23:39 ◼   ► the MacBook Air might be slower, I don't know,

00:23:41 ◼   ► but that's a legacy product at this point.

00:23:44 ◼   ► And yeah, so finally, this is the point,

00:23:48 ◼   ► which is all of this argument about details,

00:23:50 ◼   ► I feel like, like I said last week,

00:23:52 ◼   ► is kind of moot because in the end,

00:23:55 ◼   ► I think, like I said earlier,

00:23:58 ◼   ► it comes down to the choice Apple wants to make.

00:24:00 ◼   ► And I think it's not about can Apple do this?

00:24:03 ◼   ► It's really, does Apple think this is worth doing,

00:24:07 ◼   ► worth the effort of doing?

00:24:09 ◼   ► Like, is the Mac, and the touch, you know,

00:24:11 ◼   ► there are plenty of arguments for both.

00:24:13 ◼   ► I'm still kind of inclined to say it's more work

00:24:16 ◼   ► than is worth it for Apple.

00:24:18 ◼   ► Although, you know,

00:24:19 ◼   ► thinking about the Microsoft stuff a little bit

00:24:21 ◼   ► has made me pause a little bit more about it.

00:24:24 ◼   ► But in the end, this is like, you know,

00:24:28 ◼   ► how much effort does Apple wanna put

00:24:30 ◼   ► into a Mac processor transition

00:24:32 ◼   ► and what does it get by doing it?

00:24:33 ◼   ► And what we saw with the touch bar is Apple is willing

00:24:38 ◼   ► to put in a certain amount of effort into the Mac.

00:24:40 ◼   ► And so that's the case four.

00:24:42 ◼   ► It's like if Apple would do that, then why not do more?

00:24:46 ◼   ► And maybe one of the reasons that the Mac has been

00:24:48 ◼   ► so sluggish for the last couple of years is that

00:24:51 ◼   ► Apple is taking their eye off the ball with Intel

00:24:54 ◼   ► because they wanna build our Macs.

00:24:56 ◼   ► That's a theory, it's out there.

00:24:58 ◼   ► But I don't think it's supported by rumors,

00:25:00 ◼   ► but it's a theory, there are lots of theories.

00:25:03 ◼   ► So we'll see, but in the end, I feel like this is,

00:25:05 ◼   ► we can debate like all of the different data points,

00:25:09 ◼   ► But those are data points in Apple's decision-making process

00:25:13 ◼   ► because Apple can do it if it wants.

00:25:15 ◼   ► It's just a matter of if it wants to.

00:25:16 ◼   ► And I think that's, I'm still inclined to say

00:25:20 ◼   ► that it's less likely because it would be so much effort

00:25:23 ◼   ► to do it, at least now.

00:25:24 ◼   ► - So Apple TV single sign-on launched this past week.

00:25:31 ◼   ► - Joe Steele's in the chat room, so get ready.

00:25:33 ◼   ► (laughs)

00:25:36 ◼   ► - So can you remind me what this is?

00:25:38 ◼   ► 'Cause like as far as I'm aware,

00:25:39 ◼   ► single sign-on means nothing to me in the United Kingdom.

00:25:42 ◼   ► - It is a much ballyhooed feature of tvOS 10.

00:25:46 ◼   ► And the idea here is your television provider

00:25:52 ◼   ► can provide access to content

00:25:55 ◼   ► that you get, normally you would pay for

00:25:59 ◼   ► on cable or satellite,

00:26:02 ◼   ► but you get it on streaming digital as well

00:26:06 ◼   ► because you're already paying for it somewhere else.

00:26:08 ◼   ► So an example would be, I have Comcast,

00:26:11 ◼   ► I have HBO and Comcast.

00:26:13 ◼   ► That means that I can go, I can, on an Apple TV or an iPad,

00:26:17 ◼   ► I can launch HBO Go and log in with my cable information.

00:26:22 ◼   ► And it says, oh yeah, you're a,

00:26:24 ◼   ► you're a Comcast subscriber who has HBO.

00:26:27 ◼   ► So you can watch HBO on your devices too.

00:26:30 ◼   ► It's great, right?

00:26:31 ◼   ► I mean, it's legitimately great.

00:26:32 ◼   ► It is frustrating when that doesn't work

00:26:34 ◼   ► and don't get me started.

00:26:35 ◼   ► There are separate deals for separate providers, so I can do that with HBO, but I don't appear

00:26:41 ◼   ► to be able to do that with something like Starz, where they don't have a deal with Comcast,

00:26:46 ◼   ► so I can't do it.

00:26:48 ◼   ► When I had DirecTV, I couldn't do ESPN streaming.

00:26:51 ◼   ► Now that I have Comcast, I can.

00:26:53 ◼   ► But the point here is, your cable or satellite login, your TV provider login, is like a magic

00:26:59 ◼   ► key that unlocks streaming capability for content you're already buying via the traditional

00:27:07 ◼   ► TV method. Right? That makes sense. So single sign-on, the idea is, I mean, this was one

00:27:17 ◼   ► of the complaints that we all had about this not too long ago, which is, why is it that

00:27:23 ◼   ► every time I launch an app it asks me to log in with my cable ID and password, especially

00:27:28 ◼   ► on the Apple TV where putting in an ID and password is laborious. Shouldn't it be collected

00:27:34 ◼   ► somewhere where I can enter it in the settings that like, "Yes, I'm on Comcast. Here's my

00:27:38 ◼   ► password. Here's my ID. Apple TV, you do the work for me." Well, that's single sign-on.

00:27:43 ◼   ► That's the idea is you do it in one place. TV OS knows that it totally works or iOS knows

00:27:50 ◼   ► that here's what I know. And boom, it'll just, you say, "I want to watch HBO." And it's like,

00:27:56 ◼   ► totally I already know who you are I got you logged in great here watch HBO that

00:28:01 ◼   ► single sign-on and now we have it huge asterisk so basically what it seems like

00:28:08 ◼   ► is it is launched kind of unceremoniously I don't know if this was

00:28:13 ◼   ► like it was like December right December was the time frame that Apple gave for

00:28:18 ◼   ► this feature when it announced it it was in the September event right and now

00:28:24 ◼   ► there are significant portions missing like TV channels and TV stations missing

00:28:30 ◼   ► tvOS 10 feature but it didn't get enabled until an update and then they

00:28:36 ◼   ► turned this feature on and this is for iOS as well right and it is it is in iOS

00:28:41 ◼   ► as well because there's the TV app for iOS and it's the same idea as it's

00:28:44 ◼   ► supposed to kind of connect all of this stuff is that out okay hmm I think it's

00:28:53 ◼   ► 10.2 that it's in, which isn't out yet,

00:28:58 ◼   ► but I think maybe out like this imminently,

00:29:01 ◼   ► I think maybe this week, but it's already out on Apple TV.

00:29:05 ◼   ► So here it is, you can sign in.

00:29:12 ◼   ► The problem is Apple has apparently, this is bizarre,

00:29:16 ◼   ► again, bizarre TV stuff.

00:29:18 ◼   ► Apple apparently has to make individual deals

00:29:21 ◼   ► with TV providers to connect with this because there is an API or something. And so the question

00:29:28 ◼   ► is, are these contractual issues or are they technical issues? But either way, none of

00:29:33 ◼   ► the major, well, few of the major TV providers in the US, the major satellite providers are

00:29:40 ◼   ► there, which says something about them because satellite providers feel pressure from internet

00:29:46 ◼   ► because they can't really offer high-speed internet. And so all of their customers, if

00:29:51 ◼   ► they've got high speed internet are getting it from somewhere else probably

00:29:54 ◼   ► a competitor and so I think they're inclined to make their their streaming

00:29:58 ◼   ► experience as awesome as possible but in terms like Comcast which I have or

00:30:03 ◼   ► Time Warner Cable these are not these are not there so so like I can't use

00:30:08 ◼   ► single sign-on even now and then what's worse is the apps also need to support

00:30:13 ◼   ► single sign-on they have to be updated to support this feature and only you

00:30:20 ◼   ► know 20 apps have been supported and and there some of them have only been

00:30:24 ◼   ► updated on one of the platforms so like A&E is iOS only and FX now is TV OS only

00:30:32 ◼   ► so it is not all there yet it's a great idea I think it gets me and I guess this

00:30:38 ◼   ► is why I keep thinking that that either Apple just wants everybody to to do what

00:30:44 ◼   ► they want to take their orders or there's something contractually obligated here because

00:30:51 ◼   ► the thing that frustrates me about this is like on my Mac when I try to watch any of

00:30:56 ◼   ► these things it just puts me it'll it just it takes me to a Comcast login page where

00:31:01 ◼   ► I put in my username and password and then it does a redirect with a key that basically

00:31:05 ◼   ► says yes this person is validated and then I'm through on whatever service it is and

00:31:10 ◼   ► I keep thinking to myself, why doesn't Apple just do that in the background? Like, I know

00:31:15 ◼   ► that that's scraping, basically, but you could totally do that and just like, there's a form

00:31:21 ◼   ► submission, oh, Comcast, form submission, get the key, take it over here, put it over

00:31:25 ◼   ► here, boom, we're done. But nope, that's apparently too complicated or too hinky. So instead we

00:31:31 ◼   ► have everybody needs to update their stuff to use our single sign-on system and the answer

00:31:36 ◼   ► is not everybody did it. >> I just, I think I'm just struggling to

00:31:41 ◼   ► get my head around why this is such a feature worth doing anyway.

00:31:46 ◼   ► >> Well, I mean, it's a very Apple approach, right? I mean, the idea is if you, you know,

00:31:54 ◼   ► it goes back to our complaints about getting set up with the Apple TV when the new Apple

00:31:58 ◼   ► TV came out, which is you keep putting in your password and it's frustrating. This solves,

00:32:03 ◼   ► a problem on, at least in the U.S., on TV apps, on Apple TV, is you have a single login

00:32:11 ◼   ► that all of them need to do, to give you access, which is your TV provider login, whether it's

00:32:18 ◼   ► a traditional cable, satellite, or even something like Sling, which is a sort of like an over-the-top,

00:32:25 ◼   ► you know, virtual cable service that just comes over the internet. You have a, you need

00:32:32 ◼   ► that one password and username to get,

00:32:36 ◼   ► activate all of them.

00:32:38 ◼   ► So the very Apple thing to do is to say,

00:32:40 ◼   ► just give it to us and we'll take care of the rest.

00:32:43 ◼   ► And in a perfect world, that is what it should be.

00:32:49 ◼   ► Is like, you should be able to turn on your Apple TV

00:32:51 ◼   ► and it says, hey, hey buddy, it looks like you're on cable.

00:32:56 ◼   ► Why don't we log you in?

00:32:58 ◼   ► And then that'll unlock all the content

00:33:01 ◼   ► that you get on Comcast.

00:33:02 ◼   ► Like, all right, I'll do that.

00:33:04 ◼   ► And it's like, yeah, okay, awesome.

00:33:05 ◼   ► We know who you are and we know you're on Comcast

00:33:09 ◼   ► and here are the apps you can use.

00:33:10 ◼   ► And if you launch them, they show you everything

00:33:13 ◼   ► that you have access to and we're done.

00:33:16 ◼   ► And that would be great because right now the experience is,

00:33:19 ◼   ► oh, let me go get the HBO app.

00:33:20 ◼   ► Let me launch the HBO app.

00:33:22 ◼   ► Oh, now it says I need to get my iPad

00:33:25 ◼   ► and go to a webpage and put in the code I see on screen

00:33:29 ◼   ► and then log into Comcast and now wait a minute and now it works. And then I open up the Showtime

00:33:37 ◼   ► app and it says, "Hey, go get that iPad because now you need to do this here." And so on and

00:33:43 ◼   ► so on for every app that you use. Then you move to the ESPN app and it asks you the same

00:33:48 ◼   ► thing. That's the idea.

00:33:50 ◼   ► Why did they launch this now if they're missing so many providers? Why didn't they just delay

00:33:55 ◼   ► I mean, you know, it's easy to poke fun right now, but they delay AirPods, which is significantly

00:34:02 ◼   ► more important.

00:34:03 ◼   ► I don't know how many people are going to be like desperately waiting for this thing,

00:34:09 ◼   ► and then it launches and they can't use it with the providers anyway, which leaves a

00:34:12 ◼   ► bird kind of like a bad experience where people may never come back to it.

00:34:16 ◼   ► I think it's a couple things.

00:34:17 ◼   ► I think it's Apple wanting to reward the providers that have done the work, because this has

00:34:23 ◼   ► been in the offing for a while.

00:34:24 ◼   ► - And maybe it puts the onus on the people

00:34:26 ◼   ► that haven't done it to do it, right?

00:34:28 ◼   ► 'Cause now customer support is gonna go out,

00:34:30 ◼   ► you know, like people are gonna contact like whomever

00:34:33 ◼   ► and just say, "Hey, why haven't you done this?"

00:34:35 ◼   ► kind of thing.

00:34:36 ◼   ► - Yeah, so I think that's it.

00:34:37 ◼   ► I think that's exactly what it is.

00:34:39 ◼   ► It's one, to reward the people who've done it,

00:34:40 ◼   ► and two, to put pressure on the ones who haven't.

00:34:44 ◼   ► - It reminds me of Apple Pay in that way, right?

00:34:46 ◼   ► Like, they didn't really have,

00:34:48 ◼   ► everywhere that Apple Pay's launched,

00:34:50 ◼   ► it hasn't launched with all the providers

00:34:52 ◼   ► that everybody would want,

00:34:53 ◼   ► and I think Apple just push it out there so it puts public kind of pressure on the banks

00:34:57 ◼   ► and the financial institutions to get it supported.

00:35:00 ◼   ► It's a very Apple thing to do it and it's not limited to Apple, but I think this is

00:35:04 ◼   ► a very common way to do it, which is you're trying to get 10 players to play ball with

00:35:09 ◼   ► you and five of them play ball with you and the five who've played ball are like, "Come

00:35:14 ◼   ► on, let's go." And at some point you're like, "Yeah, let's go." And then you name

00:35:20 ◼   ► and shame the ones who aren't playing ball. And maybe they come to the table and maybe

00:35:25 ◼   ► they don't. I just broke that metaphor. Maybe they come to the field to play ball? Yeah.

00:35:31 ◼   ► And maybe they don't, but yeah. They keep their organs inside their body though, Myke.

00:35:37 ◼   ► That's the important thing.

00:35:38 ◼   ► Oh, do we have to keep going back to this?

00:35:42 ◼   ► Sort of a dialysis machine of cable TV. Anyway, yeah.

00:35:48 ◼   ► On the football field.

00:35:49 ◼   ► So that's the story. It is weird, but I think this is Apple's lesson for working with the

00:35:54 ◼   ► entertainment industry in general is, you know, we talk a lot about Apple wanting to

00:35:59 ◼   ► control everything, and boy is that true, and not have to rely on anybody else for anything

00:36:05 ◼   ► they do. And this is a case where they have to rely on all sorts of other people, and

00:36:10 ◼   ► it is one of those reasons why Apple's efforts in TV are not particularly Appley. There are

00:36:17 ◼   ► other, I mean, I'm not going to put it all on their partners, Apple's done all sorts

00:36:21 ◼   ► of non-Appley things with the Apple TV, but this is one of those cases where it's like,

00:36:25 ◼   ► you know, there's no alternative, Apple has to cut deals, Apple has to work with third

00:36:29 ◼   ► parties and they're not necessarily the shiniest and most technically savvy of third parties.

00:36:34 ◼   ► And so we get stuff like this and it's messy and ugly and not very Appley, but Apple wants

00:36:40 ◼   ► to be on, you know, wants to have this product and be in this space and this is the kind

00:36:45 ◼   ► of this is the kind of stuff that ends up happening if they can't, you know, compounded

00:36:50 ◼   ► by the fact that Apple probably has some very particular approaches to their partners and

00:36:55 ◼   ► some and has made some very specific decisions about what's good enough for them and not

00:37:00 ◼   ► good enough for them, which can benefit their products and frequently does, but it can also

00:37:06 ◼   ► lead to problems dealing with other people.

00:37:09 ◼   ► I want to shift gears here a little bit and read you a quote Tim Cook gave to Reuters.

00:37:17 ◼   ► "Our data shows that Apple Watch is doing great and looks to be one of the most popular

00:37:22 ◼   ► holiday gifts this year.

00:37:24 ◼   ► Sales growth is off the charts.

00:37:26 ◼   ► In fact, during the first week of holiday shopping, our sell-through of Apple Watch

00:37:29 ◼   ► was greater than any week in the product's history and as we expected, we're on track

00:37:33 ◼   ► for the best quarter ever for Apple Watch," he said.

00:37:36 ◼   ► Cook did not respond to any requests for specific sales figures for the gadget, Reuters said.

00:37:43 ◼   ► Tim Cook's doing his best Jeff Bezos impression.

00:37:46 ◼   ► Yeah, he really is. Off the charts, I made a new Bezos chart, people can check it out,

00:37:51 ◼   ► we'll put it in the show notes.

00:37:52 ◼   ► I do want to point out that on your chart, the sales stay on the chart?

00:37:57 ◼   ► Well, so somebody called me on that and I did, on Twitter, I did release the earlier

00:38:03 ◼   ► version of the chart where it was off the chart, but what we do is we just update the

00:38:07 ◼   ► chart so then the sales growth is on the charts. But you know, initially it starts off the

00:38:11 ◼   ► charts and then you fix the charts and then it's on the charts again.

00:38:14 ◼   ► Make the chart bigger, right? You're going to make the chart bigger. That's the real

00:38:16 ◼   ► problem. Exactly.

00:38:17 ◼   ► If things keep going off the chart, just make the chart bigger.

00:38:19 ◼   ► But it sounds more fun to say sales growth is off the charts than to say sales growth

00:38:23 ◼   ► was so big that our charts were broken and we had to fix them by making them bigger.

00:38:28 ◼   ► That's not as good. I think there's something kind of cool in

00:38:30 ◼   ► saying like sales growth was so big we had to create a new chart to contain it.

00:38:34 ◼   ► Yeah, that's right. I mean it's less snappy, but uh... Sales growth is so good our charts are

00:38:41 ◼   ► a lot larger now, right? You know, but again, off the charts, it's fun to say I did make a chart

00:38:46 ◼   ► with the fact that things are the best yet and there's no scale because like Jeff Bezos talking

00:38:55 ◼   ► talking about how great Kindle or Amazon Prime or whatever is doing. He likes to show charts

00:39:00 ◼   ► where the numbers start low and they go high, but we don't know what the numbers are. And

00:39:07 ◼   ► you just have our left guess. And with the Apple Watch, because Apple Watch is in "other,"

00:39:13 ◼   ► and so there are lots of estimates and the people who look at the "other revenue" line,

00:39:18 ◼   ► and in that link that we'll put in to six colors, I also did a chart of the "other revenue."

00:39:24 ◼   ► And lots of smart people, including Horace Didieu, have done the kind of like extrapolation

00:39:30 ◼   ► based on this of what, you know, what Apple watch sale should be and based on like changes

00:39:35 ◼   ► in the other revenue line.

00:39:37 ◼   ► And this all came about because IDC, the analyst, which is, yes, was owned by the same people

00:39:47 ◼   ► who owned my company that I used to work at.

00:39:50 ◼   ► Really, like, innovative name and structures there.

00:39:53 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, International Data Corp, the analysts,

00:39:58 ◼   ► they, yeah, tell me about it.

00:40:01 ◼   ► Anyway, they said basically,

00:40:03 ◼   ► "Oh, Apple Watch sales are terrible."

00:40:05 ◼   ► And all the analysts who've been looking at this were like,

00:40:08 ◼   ► "No, we don't think that that's actually really accurate."

00:40:11 ◼   ► And then it was enough of a kind of hubbub

00:40:14 ◼   ► that we ended up with a Tim Cook statement to Reuters

00:40:17 ◼   ► saying, "No, actually, they're pretty great."

00:40:19 ◼   ► and we have to take them at their word. But if you look at the other figure, people feel like

00:40:27 ◼   ► the IDC report was wrong. And now we've got Tim Cook on the record as saying,

00:40:33 ◼   ► "It's doing great and we're going to have the best quarter yet." So even though the chart is like,

00:40:39 ◼   ► "Last year it was cool and this year it's better and we don't know what those mean,"

00:40:45 ◼   ► at least that was, you know, that's all we've got to go on is that and extrapolating from the other

00:40:49 ◼   ► revenue line. So like, I know why they do this. I know why Tim does this. I know why they're not

00:40:57 ◼   ► giving figures. I know why he's saying it's better than before. But there is like the logical part of

00:41:01 ◼   ► my brain that's like, why even bother saying it? Like if you're not going to tell us what it means,

00:41:05 ◼   ► or does it mean you sold two this time and you sold one last time? Because it might as well be

00:41:09 ◼   ► that you know? They say it's competitive which I kind of don't buy either. I'm not quite

00:41:15 ◼   ► sure. What does that even mean? I think the reason, I mean look the number one reason

00:41:18 ◼   ► you do it is because you don't you know you don't want to talk about numbers and you don't

00:41:24 ◼   ► want to share them in case you're not you're not happy with the numbers. It's it's but

00:41:29 ◼   ► you know what this goes back to something else public companies have to disclose information

00:41:34 ◼   ► they hate it they don't want to disclose information but they're above a certain level you have

00:41:38 ◼   ► to break out revenue for products. And as long as the Apple TV and the Apple Watch are

00:41:43 ◼   ► below that number, Apple can roll them into "Other" and not talk about them. And they

00:41:48 ◼   ► rolled iPod back into "Other" once it went down below that level. And I think what this

00:41:54 ◼   ► says is, culturally, public corporations are not interested in sharing any information

00:42:01 ◼   ► that they're not forced to by law. Bottom line, I think that's it. And I think, you

00:42:07 ◼   ► know, Jeff Bezos is a little bit like that too, where he can get away with those charts,

00:42:11 ◼   ► and so he does.

00:42:13 ◼   ► It's frustrating. My concern as a watcher of Apple is they're going to start to do this

00:42:20 ◼   ► more and more, try and get away with it like Bezos does, and that I don't like, because

00:42:27 ◼   ► I like to know all the numbers.

00:42:29 ◼   ► Well yeah, we want to know, sure, totally. And it leaves the analyst to guess. The problem

00:42:34 ◼   ► with playing this game is that you have to do what he did, which is when a report comes

00:42:38 ◼   ► out that says, "Wow, Apple's numbers are really bad, but Apple won't give the numbers," then

00:42:43 ◼   ► you're forced to make a statement to Reuters saying, "No, actually, they're very good.

00:42:48 ◼   ► Tim Cook out?" and then go back into the mothership, return the cloaking device back on. But that's

00:42:56 ◼   ► the game you have to play. If you're not going to disclose the numbers, this is what you

00:43:00 ◼   ► have to do. So you can either disclose the numbers or you can't or you have to manage

00:43:05 ◼   ► expectations like this or and and and dribble out little tidbits here and there which you

00:43:11 ◼   ► know we we've been that's one of the reasons I pay attention to those analyst calls is

00:43:15 ◼   ► that there are good little tidbits in there that they will mention and you write it down

00:43:22 ◼   ► and like Horace Deidre has done that for a long time where you know he tracking I think

00:43:26 ◼   ► was tracking iOS activations or something like that and it's like that's

00:43:29 ◼   ► not on any chart but they mention it from time to time and you end up

00:43:35 ◼   ► building a chart that's like they on you know for a long time it was at WWDC

00:43:39 ◼   ► they mentioned it and occasionally they mentioned an analyst call so you have

00:43:42 ◼   ► these charts that are like well in June they said that for this period it was

00:43:46 ◼   ► this and in in September they mentioned that for this other period it was this

00:43:50 ◼   ► and you kind of like from that you try to extrapolate what the numbers might be

00:43:55 ◼   ► be, which is hard, but sometimes that's what we all have to do because they're not

00:44:00 ◼   ► going to share the numbers.

00:44:02 ◼   ► Yeah, and then once you've got them, you know, once you get them every year or every

00:44:06 ◼   ► 18 months or something like that, there's iOS activation things, you can draw, you know,

00:44:10 ◼   ► you can draw lines between them, you can make projections on them, you know, that stuff,

00:44:14 ◼   ► it helps inform.

00:44:15 ◼   ► So that's why it is important, you know, the, you know, the jokes, like the more color

00:44:19 ◼   ► jokes, you know, give us more color on that, is actually very useful stuff.

00:44:24 ◼   ► But for whatever reason, Apple decided that this is a product that they're not going to

00:44:29 ◼   ► give information on.

00:44:30 ◼   ► And I don't know, I feel like when they do that, it must give an element of question

00:44:38 ◼   ► to the analysts, right?

00:44:40 ◼   ► Do you not believe in this product enough that you don't want people to know how many

00:44:44 ◼   ► are selling?

00:44:45 ◼   ► Like what, you know, it's got to, it must raise those kinds of questions which probably

00:44:49 ◼   ► put it on the back foot with people like put people on the back foot anyways so that they're

00:44:54 ◼   ► willing and ready to write these articles saying that it must not be selling well right

00:44:58 ◼   ► that's my only thinking around this.

00:45:00 ◼   ► That's part of the game I mean this is the challenge they obviously had this argument

00:45:03 ◼   ► internally and decided that you know let's just it's a brand new product we don't need

00:45:07 ◼   ► to disclose it we don't know how well it's going to do let's let's because the other

00:45:11 ◼   ► side of it would be if they if the numbers were flagging people might start freaking

00:45:15 ◼   ► out and saying oh no why do you keep doing this and you know the shareholders get mad

00:45:19 ◼   ► and all of that, and this lets them kind of build it and grow it in secret and let it

00:45:24 ◼   ► kind of bubble away because they think it's important long-term even though the numbers

00:45:28 ◼   ► in the short term might not look great. You know, I can see both sides of it, but you're

00:45:34 ◼   ► absolutely right. You know, all the benefits you get out of hiding your numbers, there's

00:45:40 ◼   ► the downside of people will then speculate about your numbers, and sometimes they will

00:45:44 ◼   ► speculate badly, and you have to deal with it, and people will wonder why you're hiding

00:45:49 ◼   ► your numbers and you'll have to deal with it. And you know, I agree with you but that

00:45:55 ◼   ► it would be better if they released this stuff but I don't work at Apple and if I worked

00:46:01 ◼   ► at Apple I might have a very different opinion about it. I mean people want to know, people

00:46:07 ◼   ► want to know lots of things. People want to know how many Relay members there are, people

00:46:11 ◼   ► want to know how many Six Colors members there are, people want to know how much money Stephen

00:46:14 ◼   ► Hackett makes from his YouTube channel and you know we don't tell. The reason I don't

00:46:19 ◼   ► do Patreon is because I'm not interested in a system that shows you how many people are

00:46:23 ◼   ► giving me money. Not interested. Right? And so I can see, you know, it's easy to be curious

00:46:30 ◼   ► but if you're the person on the inside you've got lots of reasons to not share that information

00:46:34 ◼   ► but there is always going to be a, you know, a trade-off.

00:46:41 ◼   ► So there's some real time follow up iOS 10.2 is out now.

00:46:44 ◼   ► So the TV app is now out.

00:46:46 ◼   ► As we're recording.

00:46:47 ◼   ► And the TV app for the Apple TV is now out as well via a software update.

00:46:52 ◼   ► So it's all out now.

00:46:54 ◼   ► Enjoy your single sign on everybody.

00:46:56 ◼   ► Enjoy the new emoji more than anything else.

00:46:58 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:46:59 ◼   ► The emoji is so good.

00:47:00 ◼   ► The new ones.

00:47:01 ◼   ► They changed the peach back though.

00:47:03 ◼   ► They changed it and changed it again.

00:47:05 ◼   ► They changed it from like a peach looking thing to something that looks more like a

00:47:09 ◼   ► bottom.

00:47:10 ◼   ► Yeah, because people were using peach to mean butt.

00:47:13 ◼   ► Well, they do anyway, you know.

00:47:15 ◼   ► They changed it from what people consider to look like a butt to look like a peach.

00:47:19 ◼   ► Although I think the one that they changed it to look more like a butt,

00:47:23 ◼   ► but now they've changed it back again.

00:47:24 ◼   ► I think they should prioritize making it look like a peach.

00:47:27 ◼   ► If it also looks like a butt, then that's great too.

00:47:29 ◼   ► This has been Emoji Talk with Myke and Jason. Enjoy.

00:47:31 ◼   ► No, I think it's important to have an emoji that looks kind of like a butt, you know?

00:47:35 ◼   ► Oh, well.

00:47:37 ◼   ► I'm going to link to a Macworld article that explains all about the Peach Butt in case

00:47:41 ◼   ► you're interested.

00:47:42 ◼   ► So there you go.

00:47:43 ◼   ► I'm not, but some people may be.

00:47:46 ◼   ► Some people may be.

00:47:47 ◼   ► There's lots of great, there are lots of great emoji in this update.

00:47:49 ◼   ► So you should go check them out.

00:47:50 ◼   ► There's a lot of agenda stuff, which is fantastic.

00:47:53 ◼   ► There's a lot more professions.

00:47:55 ◼   ► And there's also whiskey and bacon.

00:47:58 ◼   ► Seriously what more could you want from your emoji?

00:48:00 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:48:02 ◼   ► This week's episode is also brought to you by our friends over at Eero.

00:48:06 ◼   ► These days everything in our homes requires an internet connection.

00:48:09 ◼   ► I would tell you right now as somebody who is moving into a new home, I am realising

00:48:15 ◼   ► very quickly how much stuff I have needs to connect to an internet connection because

00:48:19 ◼   ► I have a new internet connection, right?

00:48:20 ◼   ► Like I have a new ISP so I'm reconnecting everything in my house again.

00:48:24 ◼   ► You know you're looking at thermostats, light bulbs, we're looking at getting some like

00:48:28 ◼   ► a lot more smart home stuff here, security cameras, everything and we're looking at using

00:48:33 ◼   ► all these services that take so much bandwidth these days, all these streaming services like

00:48:36 ◼   ► Netflix.

00:48:37 ◼   ► Wi-Fi is the foundation for all of the things in our homes because nobody wants like a million

00:48:41 ◼   ► cables running around their house connecting to all these many, many devices.

00:48:45 ◼   ► And the thing is, Wi-Fi at home is broken.

00:48:49 ◼   ► Connections can be inconsistent, they can be slow, they can be unresponsive.

00:48:52 ◼   ► And to get the best possible connection, you need a distributed system that can provide

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00:49:00 ◼   ► But with Eero, you can install an enterprise-grade Wi-Fi system in your home in just a few minutes.

00:49:07 ◼   ► This isn't just simple extender technology.

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00:49:14 ◼   ► your connection fast and in sync in your whole home on one network name, which is a really

00:49:20 ◼   ► good thing.

00:49:21 ◼   ► I mean, I know a few people that have tried to do this, and they have multiple networks

00:49:24 ◼   ► at home, which kind of sucks.

00:49:25 ◼   ► Somebody comes to your house and is staying over for a couple of days.

00:49:27 ◼   ► You're like, yeah, you've got to connect to this one here

00:49:29 ◼   ► and this one here and this one, no one wants that.

00:49:31 ◼   ► Eero makes it all simple.

00:49:33 ◼   ► Jason, I believe that your house is set up with Eero's.

00:49:36 ◼   ► - Yeah, I have three here in my little house.

00:49:40 ◼   ► - And how does three work for you?

00:49:42 ◼   ► Like, do you find that since installing the Eero,

00:49:44 ◼   ► you've had a better connection in other places

00:49:46 ◼   ► that you may not have had before?

00:49:48 ◼   ► - Yeah, well, one of the challenges here was always

00:49:50 ◼   ► that the internet comes in at one end of the house,

00:49:55 ◼   ► so the other end of the house would not get

00:49:57 ◼   ► a very good signal.

00:49:58 ◼   ► And so there was always a challenge of like wiring.

00:50:01 ◼   ► I ended up with a wired connection

00:50:02 ◼   ► to sort of a central location in the house,

00:50:05 ◼   ► but even there, it was not, the coverage was not great.

00:50:10 ◼   ► And now I have one in our back bedroom

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00:51:14 ◼   ► I actually spoke with Eero a couple of days ago and I think business is booming for them

00:51:20 ◼   ► right now, which I'm really pleased about because I know it's a good product.

00:51:23 ◼   ► But it was quite funny.

00:51:24 ◼   ► It's like, oh, yeah, I'm not surprised.

00:51:26 ◼   ► I'm not surprised.

00:51:28 ◼   ► All right.

00:51:28 ◼   ► So I mentioned at the top of the show, Jason, that

00:51:31 ◼   ► I am in a completely new arrangement here. I have.

00:51:34 ◼   ► It's something that I'm very stressed out today.

00:51:37 ◼   ► Recording review, not because of you.

00:51:39 ◼   ► If anything, you're calming me down.

00:51:41 ◼   ► But everything is different here.

00:51:43 ◼   ► I tried to turn my iMac on before we started.

00:51:46 ◼   ► I just set it up and

00:51:49 ◼   ► I couldn't log in because my keyboard wasn't working.

00:51:53 ◼   ► Well, you're not an authorized user for that location, obviously.

00:51:56 ◼   ► It would seem so.

00:51:57 ◼   ► I use the Microsoft Sculpt ergonomic keyboard, the one

00:52:01 ◼   ► that Marco uses.

00:52:02 ◼   ► I got it in his recommendation because I

00:52:04 ◼   ► was getting some RSI problems a couple of years ago

00:52:06 ◼   ► and it really helped.

00:52:07 ◼   ► And it just wasn't working.

00:52:08 ◼   ► I have since had Adina go to the local store

00:52:12 ◼   ► and get me some batteries.

00:52:13 ◼   ► Now, the store is only downstairs.

00:52:15 ◼   ► She was very kind to go and do that.

00:52:16 ◼   ► And I've changed the batteries in my keyboard

00:52:18 ◼   ► happy to report that somehow the batteries died in the last two days. I don't know why

00:52:23 ◼   ► that has happened, but those batteries, I've had that keyboard for like two years and it's

00:52:27 ◼   ► the first time I've replaced them. So that's what it is. So I'm going to put a link in

00:52:32 ◼   ► the show notes to a photo that I took of my setup just before we recorded and you will

00:52:36 ◼   ► see that there is a MacBook, a MacBook adorable sitting where the keyboard should be and I'm

00:52:40 ◼   ► currently using the MacBook. This is part of my continued stress of this episode is

00:52:44 ◼   ► I am recording onto a machine I have never recorded a show onto before. So who knows what's gonna happen?

00:52:50 ◼   ► But you can go there and you can take a look at this because the reason I want to talk about this is I tweeted a

00:52:55 ◼   ► Picture of this stuff the other day and I had so many people asking me questions

00:52:58 ◼   ► This reminds me of what happened with you. Oh, yeah people out people love people love asking

00:53:04 ◼   ► What products are using and all of that? They love it. It's also because of because of my work

00:53:10 ◼   ► I used a bunch of really weird things. Yeah, right like boxes and stuff with lights on them

00:53:16 ◼   ► That you may have no idea what they are

00:53:18 ◼   ► You know quite frankly. I don't know half of what I was looking at your picture and thinking like, okay

00:53:26 ◼   ► I think I know what that is, but it goes to this. It looks like it goes to this other thing

00:53:30 ◼   ► I wonder what that is. I was doing the same thing. Absolutely

00:53:34 ◼   ► So you can go look at in the show notes, but I guess I'll start with the base which is the desk

00:53:39 ◼   ► So I am using an IKEA. It's called the Beck ant be EK and T sit stand desk

00:53:45 ◼   ► Am I the corner version because I've always wanted a corner desk. I don't know why I just like the idea of it

00:53:52 ◼   ► Just wrapping around a little bit now

00:53:54 ◼   ► Before anybody writes in to tell me about all of the desks that I should have bought instead of this one

00:53:58 ◼   ► All of the wire cutter top picks are not available to be shipped to the United Kingdom

00:54:05 ◼   ► They are all US based which is a frustration I have with the wire cutter

00:54:09 ◼   ► That they they should I think this should be part of their consideration process

00:54:14 ◼   ► That they should at least offer something they do mention the IKEA desk quite a lot in there in their article about sit-stand desks

00:54:21 ◼   ► because

00:54:24 ◼   ► There are a lot of people that kind of swear by this thing now my thinking was

00:54:28 ◼   ► This was a desk I knew I could buy if it sucks or breaks then I'll get a new one later

00:54:33 ◼   ► But like since you know, I a couple people asked me about the desk some people have got this and say they love it

00:54:38 ◼   ► Some people got this and say that they hate it, which is basically how all conversation on the internet tends to go

00:54:43 ◼   ► Yeah

00:54:44 ◼   ► But my Myke is what I wanted was I wanted a desk that was sit stand a motorized that wasn't gonna cost me a million

00:54:51 ◼   ► Pounds because there are a couple of companies companies use companies that would ship one to me on a boat

00:54:56 ◼   ► I'm not gonna do that. That's that's bonkers. I

00:54:59 ◼   ► I have, so I got one when I was setting up my home office and it was, um, actually Lex

00:55:06 ◼   ► Friedman, our buddy, uh, recommended it and, uh, it was relatively inexpensive. And so

00:55:12 ◼   ► I set it up and it's fine, but I very much had the same approach that you did, which

00:55:18 ◼   ► is if it, you know, if it's not great, I'll get another one. I was like, literally this

00:55:23 ◼   ► was a desk that I bought because I wanted to set up a home office and I hadn't even

00:55:28 ◼   ► gone out on my own yet. Remember, I set up my home office like more than a year before

00:55:32 ◼   ► I left, right? As a work from home and a hedge if I wanted to quit my job. And so I wasn't

00:55:37 ◼   ► going to buy super fancy. Now I have to say, so then my father-in-law saw it. I was like,

00:55:44 ◼   ► "Oh, sit stand adjustable desk. Very interesting. Motorized. Very interesting." And of course,

00:55:50 ◼   ► the next time I visited them in Southern California, he had bought the, I believe, top of the line

00:55:57 ◼   ► wire cutter choice adjustable sit-stand desk. And I will say this, I saw it and how it works

00:56:04 ◼   ► and I was like, "Oh yeah, mine is cheap." Like, his is really, really great. And I think

00:56:11 ◼   ► that from time to time. Like, one of these days, given that this is now my desk 100%

00:56:15 ◼   ► of the time, one of these days I might get, I might splurge for a nicer, bigger, fancier

00:56:21 ◼   ► desk. But the fact is, this thing has served me for whatever, three, four years now. But

00:56:26 ◼   ► But yeah, I'm glad, Wirecutter, I mean the challenge with giving products availability

00:56:32 ◼   ► in different countries is different.

00:56:35 ◼   ► And so like the question is could they do like Wirecutter UK or what?

00:56:40 ◼   ► It's hard.

00:56:41 ◼   ► It's hard.

00:56:42 ◼   ► My feeling is just like have, if you've got an entire content, if you've got an entire

00:56:47 ◼   ► category with like five picks in it and none of them are available outside of the US, just

00:56:52 ◼   ► find one.

00:56:53 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:56:54 ◼   ► - That's a good point. - The international,

00:56:55 ◼   ► the European pic, right?

00:56:57 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's a good point.

00:56:58 ◼   ► - So, 'cause you know, I've seen pictures of these,

00:57:00 ◼   ► and I know how much better they are

00:57:02 ◼   ► than the one that I have.

00:57:03 ◼   ► Like, you know, I've already found something

00:57:05 ◼   ► I don't like about it, like I've got it standing right now,

00:57:07 ◼   ► and everything wobbles a little bit, not a lot,

00:57:10 ◼   ► but more than I would like.

00:57:11 ◼   ► Now I wonder if that's just something

00:57:13 ◼   ► about standing desks in general,

00:57:14 ◼   ► like, or like, coming from, my old desk

00:57:17 ◼   ► was like this huge, heavy glass thing.

00:57:20 ◼   ► - Ah. - You know,

00:57:21 ◼   ► and it didn't have legs, it had glass

00:57:24 ◼   ► that went all the way around the outside.

00:57:26 ◼   ► So that thing was never wobbling

00:57:28 ◼   ► because it didn't have like a central point.

00:57:31 ◼   ► It had like, glass went all the way around the short edges

00:57:36 ◼   ► and into the longer edges.

00:57:37 ◼   ► So it was like super stable.

00:57:39 ◼   ► So I don't know if like,

00:57:40 ◼   ► just because of the way these legs are like,

00:57:42 ◼   ► because they come into the middle, right?

00:57:44 ◼   ► They have like feet and then they have like one pole each

00:57:46 ◼   ► on each side that goes up to the middle

00:57:47 ◼   ► that is making it wobble anyway.

00:57:48 ◼   ► But hey, the thing is, I'm standing right now,

00:57:51 ◼   ► which I've never done.

00:57:52 ◼   ► and we're an hour in and I kinda like it

00:57:55 ◼   ► because when you're talking, I can just go over here, Jason,

00:57:58 ◼   ► and just like walk around a little bit,

00:58:00 ◼   ► which is kind of a nice thing to be able to do

00:58:03 ◼   ► whilst I'm recording.

00:58:04 ◼   ► So that's cool.

00:58:04 ◼   ► I'm happy with the standing desk thing.

00:58:07 ◼   ► - Myke, it's all about the length of your headphone cord.

00:58:10 ◼   ► That's the important thing. - Okay, hang on a second.

00:58:12 ◼   ► - 'Cause I'm also standing right now.

00:58:13 ◼   ► - This is as far as I can go.

00:58:15 ◼   ► - Which is pretty far.

00:58:19 ◼   ► - I can't go very far unless I pick up my USB interface,

00:58:22 ◼   ► but that's a, and mine wiggles a little bit too.

00:58:24 ◼   ► I have my iMac and my microphone on boom arms, right?

00:58:27 ◼   ► So if I stand here holding the desk

00:58:30 ◼   ► and I shake it a little bit, everything wiggles.

00:58:33 ◼   ► - But the thing is, it shouldn't be a problem

00:58:36 ◼   ► because the shock mounts and everything

00:58:38 ◼   ► that I have built in here, you shouldn't hear anything,

00:58:40 ◼   ► but it's just frustrating.

00:58:41 ◼   ► Like I'm talking right now and I have my elbow on the desk

00:58:43 ◼   ► and my microphone is just like bouncing up and down

00:58:46 ◼   ► in front of my face, which is,

00:58:47 ◼   ► I think this is just gonna be the downside of this.

00:58:51 ◼   ► But yeah, so this is like a different thing for me

00:58:54 ◼   ► and it's about like, I've just realized

00:58:56 ◼   ► like how much time I am at my desk

00:59:00 ◼   ► and it's not, I don't spend the whole day at this desk

00:59:03 ◼   ► and I won't spend the whole day at this desk.

00:59:05 ◼   ► Look, I'm getting a sofa for this office

00:59:06 ◼   ► and I'm having a sofa in the front room

00:59:08 ◼   ► where when I'm not recording,

00:59:09 ◼   ► I will probably be there a lot of the time.

00:59:12 ◼   ► But when I am at my desk, when I am recording,

00:59:15 ◼   ► it is hours, right?

00:59:18 ◼   ► Like me and you will probably be on the phone

00:59:21 ◼   ► for about two and a half hours today,

00:59:22 ◼   ► and then I will spend maybe another hour editing

00:59:25 ◼   ► immediately after, and I don't get up, right?

00:59:29 ◼   ► Especially when we're recording,

00:59:31 ◼   ► I'm not leaving the room to go to the bathroom

00:59:34 ◼   ► or get a glass of water, right?

00:59:35 ◼   ► 'Cause that would be kind of rude to you.

00:59:37 ◼   ► Like, I'm here, I'm sitting here,

00:59:39 ◼   ► so it's just me thinking that maybe what I would do is

00:59:43 ◼   ► I'm sitting down, I mute my microphone,

00:59:45 ◼   ► I raise the desk, I unmute, you know?

00:59:47 ◼   ► And now I'm standing.

00:59:48 ◼   ► - I started this podcast sitting,

00:59:50 ◼   ► and now I'm standing right during one of the ad breaks,

00:59:53 ◼   ► I think I just muted it and lifted, you know,

00:59:56 ◼   ► it's mechanical, but I put it all the way up

00:59:58 ◼   ► and now I'm standing, it's great.

00:59:59 ◼   ► And that is right, so then you've got a different,

01:00:03 ◼   ► you know, a different feel for,

01:00:04 ◼   ► it breaks up the hours that you're there.

01:00:06 ◼   ► You don't just sit in the desk, it's great.

01:00:09 ◼   ► Get a floor mat if you don't have one, by the way.

01:00:12 ◼   ► - For me to stand on? - Yes.

01:00:15 ◼   ► - Why is, what's good about that?

01:00:16 ◼   ► I see people talking about this.

01:00:18 ◼   ► It is good for your, yeah, it's good for your, the ergonomics of the situation, having, having

01:00:23 ◼   ► something a little squishy to stand on instead of just a hard floor, even if it's, even if it's

01:00:28 ◼   ► carpet, it's, you should get a little mat. I have, I started with like a little, a little like a yoga

01:00:35 ◼   ► mat that I folded over, and now I have, I think, what is the wire cutters choice for a standing

01:00:40 ◼   ► mat, but anything that gives you an anti-fatigue mat, I think they call them, something that,

01:00:47 ◼   ► that you can stand on that's a little bit squishy. Yeah, I have, I think I have their flat mat choice,

01:00:52 ◼   ► or at least it was at one point, but it's good. I have used, I've stood here without it, and

01:00:58 ◼   ► my legs and feet get angry at me much faster than with the squishy one.

01:01:03 ◼   ► All right, I've put the link to that in the show notes, so I'm sure I'll have to look and nothing

01:01:08 ◼   ► will ship here and there. I'm gonna probably get a mat sent.

01:01:12 ◼   ► I'm sure, like I said, at the very least you can get like a yoga mat and fold it over and

01:01:16 ◼   ► stand on it and that would be something.

01:01:19 ◼   ► But this would be one of those things that I could get sent to someone and pick it up.

01:01:22 ◼   ► It's true.

01:01:23 ◼   ► Because it's small, it could fit in a suitcase.

01:01:25 ◼   ► I don't know, mine wouldn't fit in a suitcase.

01:01:27 ◼   ► Interesting, interesting.

01:01:28 ◼   ► Yeah, I'm seeing a lot of them, they're like these big huge plastic things.

01:01:32 ◼   ► Interesting, I'll take a look.

01:01:33 ◼   ► See, I would want something that wouldn't interrupt the chair.

01:01:36 ◼   ► Right, well, yeah, I have to roll my chair out of the way and drop it down and then pick

01:01:40 ◼   ► it up and roll my chair back in.

01:01:42 ◼   ► That works, that works.

01:01:43 ◼   ► I'm sure I can work.

01:01:44 ◼   ► Right, so.

01:01:45 ◼   ► What else?

01:01:46 ◼   ► question that I got was, "What are the boxes?" Right? And I have lots of little boxes on

01:01:52 ◼   ► my desk. So you take a look. I'm gonna go from this image from the right to the left

01:01:56 ◼   ► because it's less exciting on the right.

01:01:59 ◼   ► Okay, let me stop you then because I think it is it is it oh maybe it's maybe it's in

01:02:04 ◼   ► one this is a different picture than the one that I saw on Twitter but it is so you have

01:02:09 ◼   ► a headphone amp on this desk right? Yeah. I'm gonna go from far right. Okay. I played this

01:02:15 ◼   ► game too and I got that one right at least. Alright, let's do it. Right to left.

01:02:18 ◼   ► So far right is two USB hard drives that I have connected to my Mac all the time

01:02:24 ◼   ► via the... Currently the... Okay, just so you know, the cable management is not done

01:02:29 ◼   ► yet. I literally took all of this out of box ten minutes before I recorded and put

01:02:32 ◼   ► it on the desk. So I have just two USB hard drives. One is what I just call

01:02:38 ◼   ► cold storage. I just put stuff on it, like there's not really any organization to

01:02:42 ◼   ► I just put things on it. It could be like video files TV series that kind of things like a terabyte or something

01:02:48 ◼   ► And that it's like it's like storage. I never even think of it's just always connected. The other drive is my time machine drive

01:02:55 ◼   ► So I just have that just sitting there and the time machine

01:02:59 ◼   ► Drive, I think both of them are spinning disks actually

01:03:03 ◼   ► It was funny because I plugged this in before

01:03:06 ◼   ► Plugging in the power to my USB hub and the time and the spinning one of the spin just drives was very unhappy about that

01:03:12 ◼   ► It was making a clicking sound which I've not heard before which could be a problem. Not good

01:03:17 ◼   ► I'm gonna do and we'll do some just utility work on that afterwards. I mean, it's not an important drive, right?

01:03:22 ◼   ► It's just like what time machine goes on to I can just get a new drive and just rebuild time machine again

01:03:26 ◼   ► It's not it's not a huge problem. Plus now I can use online backup. So hip hip hooray. I

01:03:31 ◼   ► Cannot wait to get this thing running on backblaze where I guess I've just not been able to use it because of my internet connection

01:03:37 ◼   ► So I'm very excited to start doing online backup here

01:03:41 ◼   ► So if we move in now we have my headphone app.

01:03:44 ◼   ► This is by a company.

01:03:48 ◼   ► The company's name is Shita.

01:03:51 ◼   ► Now Marco takes liberties with this.

01:03:54 ◼   ► Because it's S-C-H-I-I-T.

01:03:56 ◼   ► Now I went on their website and it's very funny actually.

01:04:01 ◼   ► The homepage of their website it says, "Yes, this is the name of our company."

01:04:08 ◼   ► This is how it's spelt, but it's actually pronounced "sh-e-tah", not like the naughty

01:04:15 ◼   ► word which I will not say.

01:04:18 ◼   ► So this is a product called the Magni 2.

01:04:21 ◼   ► And all this is is a headphone amp.

01:04:23 ◼   ► Now the reason that I use a headphone amp is because the USB audio interface that I

01:04:27 ◼   ► use, which is the box with all the lights on it, the black box that sits underneath

01:04:31 ◼   ► the iMac, that's called the USB Pre 2.

01:04:34 ◼   ► Now this is what my microphone plugs into, and then I can adjust some levels, and then

01:04:38 ◼   ► I can, because my microphone plugs in by XLR, it's not a USB microphone, and then I take

01:04:43 ◼   ► the USB cable and plug that into my Mac so I can record from it.

01:04:46 ◼   ► Now the sound that comes out of the USB Pre 2, I find to have quite a bit of interference

01:04:52 ◼   ► to it.

01:04:53 ◼   ► So I use the, the, the Magni 2, the Shita Magni 2 as a way to give me clear sound, which

01:05:01 ◼   ► I've, I've found it very frustrating.

01:05:04 ◼   ► I was getting a lot of interference coming straight out of the USB Pre 2.

01:05:07 ◼   ► I don't know if you have this problem, but I have real bad problems.

01:05:11 ◼   ► I've known some people that do and some people that don't, but just plugging the headphones

01:05:14 ◼   ► straight in would either give a low whine or GSM signals would interfere with it.

01:05:20 ◼   ► It was very frustrating.

01:05:22 ◼   ► So I used the headphone app for that.

01:05:24 ◼   ► So, just before we move on, because I want to stop, this is some real-time follow-up

01:05:28 ◼   ► from me, which is, as far as I can tell, that pronunciation on their website is a joke,

01:05:34 ◼   ► and it really is just a pun.

01:05:35 ◼   ► Okay.

01:05:36 ◼   ► or not even a pun, it's just that they thought it would be really funny to say

01:05:41 ◼   ► we, you know, we make a lot of really good sheet ta.

01:05:45 ◼   ► So you were phished in by that and it's a joke but we're still not going to say the word

01:05:50 ◼   ► because we don't want to bleep it out.

01:05:51 ◼   ► Thank you for the real-time follow-up on that. I just read the first line on their website

01:05:55 ◼   ► and was like, "Great, that's what I was saying on the show."

01:05:57 ◼   ► No, that's their story that they tell and then they go, "Nope, actually, nope, it's not.

01:06:02 ◼   ► They just thought it would be funny."

01:06:04 ◼   ► but I still don't want to say it.

01:06:06 ◼   ► - Nope.

01:06:06 ◼   ► - So Marco does not take liberties.

01:06:08 ◼   ► He does what you're supposed to do,

01:06:10 ◼   ► but I still want to say it.

01:06:11 ◼   ► - You gotta find a bleep sound

01:06:13 ◼   ► and you gotta drop it in every time you say it

01:06:15 ◼   ► and it's not worth it.

01:06:16 ◼   ► - I'm just not gonna do it.

01:06:18 ◼   ► Then, yeah, I already mentioned the USB Pre 2.

01:06:21 ◼   ► I do not recommend this because it's so expensive.

01:06:24 ◼   ► - Right.

01:06:25 ◼   ► Yes, agreed.

01:06:27 ◼   ► - The headphone amp is like $90.

01:06:29 ◼   ► If you want a headphone amp, if you want more control,

01:06:30 ◼   ► you want better sound, go for it, it's great.

01:06:32 ◼   ► It's great for what it does

01:06:33 ◼   ► and this thing's built like a tank.

01:06:35 ◼   ► The USB Pre 2, I'm a big fan of Casey Neistat

01:06:40 ◼   ► and there's a video on Casey Neistat's vlog,

01:06:44 ◼   ► I will not be able to find this because it's like 600 videos

01:06:47 ◼   ► where he talks about his gear philosophy.

01:06:49 ◼   ► And one of the things he says is like,

01:06:52 ◼   ► you start off with terrible equipment

01:06:54 ◼   ► and then you pay a little bit more money

01:06:56 ◼   ► and your quality is like doubled or tripled

01:06:59 ◼   ► by spending a little bit more money.

01:07:01 ◼   ► But after that, like after the first few times that you upgrade,

01:07:05 ◼   ► it becomes you spend more and more money for just tinier

01:07:10 ◼   ► and tinier increases in quality.

01:07:12 ◼   ► But it comes to a certain point where like you,

01:07:16 ◼   ► after creating something for so long or doing something for so long,

01:07:19 ◼   ► you desire that quality and then you have the means to pay for it.

01:07:23 ◼   ► But it's not necessary if you're starting out, right? So this is,

01:07:27 ◼   ► this is my philosophy with USB Pre 2.0.

01:07:30 ◼   ► This thing is way, way more money than you need.

01:07:34 ◼   ► Like frankly, XLR microphones completely is way more than most people need.

01:07:40 ◼   ► But I have found a setup now that gives me exactly what I want, which is I sound in

01:07:49 ◼   ► podcasts as I do to myself in my ears.

01:07:53 ◼   ► And that is because I have spent a stupid amount of money.

01:07:57 ◼   ► You'll be able to go and look up how much money all this stuff costs.

01:07:59 ◼   ► But this is what I do for a living.

01:08:01 ◼   ► I've had this stuff for

01:08:03 ◼   ► a year to a year and a half.

01:08:07 ◼   ► And I don't think I will replace it for like five years.

01:08:09 ◼   ► Like I have no I'm at the point now where like I found the perfect equipment.

01:08:14 ◼   ► And to be honest, the equipment that I found before I thought was the perfect equipment.

01:08:17 ◼   ► And I had that for like four years.

01:08:18 ◼   ► It's like, you know, I don't change this stuff out very frequently, but I found stuff that really, really works for me.

01:08:25 ◼   ► So that's my feeling is like if you're doing this stuff,

01:08:28 ◼   ► you want some lower cost interfaces or you want a USB microphone.

01:08:33 ◼   ► Now I will include a link in the show notes to, uh,

01:08:36 ◼   ► something that Jason put together for low cost USB audio interfaces. Like I have,

01:08:40 ◼   ► um, the Tascam two by two, which is something that you've put in here,

01:08:43 ◼   ► which I use for like on the go and for small stuff.

01:08:47 ◼   ► It does a perfect job, but I just really like the fact that the,

01:08:52 ◼   ► the USB pre two, which is the one that I use,

01:08:55 ◼   ► It just gives me that little bit more like I can just do some weird stuff with that

01:09:00 ◼   ► Which in a pinch is great. Like it has all these little switches that you can flip and you can yes

01:09:06 ◼   ► Basically, it's like I have something that will let that will grow with me and I won't be constrained by it

01:09:12 ◼   ► You know like the two by two like it gets really crazy if you try and talk to anybody over Skype

01:09:17 ◼   ► Right, like you couldn't do local recordings a bit perfect like two microphones

01:09:21 ◼   ► But there's no way to get that those two microphones in Skype with the USB pre you can make it work

01:09:26 ◼   ► Right and and that's kind of like the feeling that I want and what I'm looking for

01:09:31 ◼   ► With this stuff and so it is more expensive than you need

01:09:34 ◼   ► I don't recommend that anybody goes and buys what I have

01:09:38 ◼   ► but if you've been doing this stuff for years and maybe you're already using an XLR microphone and

01:09:42 ◼   ► You and you make some money doing this audio work in some way

01:09:46 ◼   ► Then I recommend the USB pre to to you because I have had

01:09:49 ◼   ► Literally zero problems with this thing since I bought it and I couldn't be happier with it, but I don't recommend

01:09:55 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, I have the same problem where people are like, what do you use for this? It's like yeah, but I don't recommend

01:10:02 ◼   ► what I use to the the regular person off the street because it's I

01:10:07 ◼   ► decided a couple years ago that I was doing this enough as my

01:10:11 ◼   ► part of my livelihood that I was going to buy a really nice microphone and a really nice USB interface and thanks

01:10:17 ◼   ► Marco ruins us all

01:10:19 ◼   ► Funny that guy makes makes other people spend money, but and I'm very happy with it, but I'd never recommend it

01:10:25 ◼   ► So so I don't know if I mentioned this before I've mentioned it now

01:10:29 ◼   ► So the the the the headphone amp that I'm using the headphones I'm using which haven't spoken about and the microphone

01:10:34 ◼   ► I bought those all whilst in Marco Ammann's house

01:10:37 ◼   ► Because he sat me down his computer

01:10:41 ◼   ► I was like, "Talk into that, listen to these."

01:10:43 ◼   ► And I was like, "Well, I'm gonna have to buy all this stuff."

01:10:45 ◼   ► - I can't go to that house.

01:10:46 ◼   ► I don't have enough money to go to that house, no.

01:10:47 ◼   ► - Don't go, don't go.

01:10:48 ◼   ► I mean, we saved money by not staying in the city,

01:10:51 ◼   ► and then I spent all that money on audio equipment.

01:10:54 ◼   ► So also in the show notes are some lower cost microphone

01:10:58 ◼   ► options that Jason has found.

01:10:59 ◼   ► You've done some really good stuff with this,

01:11:00 ◼   ► so it's good that we can put that in there.

01:11:01 ◼   ► Like if you're interested in this stuff,

01:11:03 ◼   ► maybe you wanna start or you wanna upgrade a little bit

01:11:05 ◼   ► from what you're currently using, ding,

01:11:07 ◼   ► then Jason's put together some great resources for that.

01:11:10 ◼   ► So let me talk about my, the little blue box that sits on the right hand side, on the left

01:11:15 ◼   ► hand side.

01:11:16 ◼   ► - Yay.

01:11:17 ◼   ► - That is a Roles Mute Switch.

01:11:19 ◼   ► Now there are not many XLR Mute Switches that work really well.

01:11:23 ◼   ► This one is called the Roles, it's this little blue thing.

01:11:25 ◼   ► I couldn't get it here, so Jason got one for me, and when I saw you in August, you gave

01:11:29 ◼   ► it to me.

01:11:30 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:11:31 ◼   ► - And it's fine.

01:11:32 ◼   ► I mean, it's just built like a tank, and it just has a big button on it.

01:11:36 ◼   ► - It's a big piece of metal with a button on it.

01:11:38 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's perfect.

01:11:40 ◼   ► But it does, and it's got two modes.

01:11:42 ◼   ► It's got the mode where your mic is muted

01:11:44 ◼   ► when you hold it down and then you let go when it comes up,

01:11:46 ◼   ► or it's got a toggle, which is how I use it,

01:11:49 ◼   ► because I will have, on many panel podcasts

01:11:53 ◼   ► and things like that, I'll have an extended period of time

01:11:55 ◼   ► that I'm not talking, so I can mute it and walk away

01:11:59 ◼   ► and then come back.

01:12:00 ◼   ► And yeah, it's not the most exciting piece of hardware

01:12:05 ◼   ► in the world, but I love it.

01:12:07 ◼   ► I'm very happy to have a hardware mute switch.

01:12:09 ◼   ► My Blue Yeti microphone that I used to use had a mute switch right on it.

01:12:13 ◼   ► I'm not one of those like, "Oh, you just muted using a keyboard shortcut."

01:12:17 ◼   ► And it's like, "No, I like having the physical button."

01:12:18 ◼   ► I want to mute it everywhere.

01:12:19 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, exactly right.

01:12:21 ◼   ► Because that's the thing is you can mute in Skype, but it's not actually muting your recording

01:12:24 ◼   ► somewhere else.

01:12:25 ◼   ► So yeah, exactly.

01:12:26 ◼   ► And because we do record to multiple places, I don't want to have to forget about that.

01:12:32 ◼   ► And for a while, I had no mute switch.

01:12:35 ◼   ► I just couldn't get one, and it was really, really annoying.

01:12:38 ◼   ► I very rarely use it, but I've used it a couple of times in this episode already.

01:12:42 ◼   ► Because there's so much stuff going on.

01:12:44 ◼   ► So this is a great little thing.

01:12:46 ◼   ► Now my microphone, again, this is a microphone I recommend to nobody.

01:12:50 ◼   ► It is the Neumann KMS 105.

01:12:55 ◼   ► By far and away the best microphone I've ever used.

01:12:57 ◼   ► Like flat out the best microphone I've ever used.

01:13:00 ◼   ► I think Marco uses this one or has used this one, but it's not in his review because it's

01:13:07 ◼   ► so expensive for what you get. Now I was very lucky to find a slightly used one on eBay

01:13:14 ◼   ► for like three quarters of the price, which I was very happy about. Somebody in the UK

01:13:19 ◼   ► has got a few dings on the case, but it works perfectly fine. This is, this microphone gives

01:13:25 ◼   ► the cleanest sound that I've ever used and it does a really good job of not picking up

01:13:31 ◼   ► background noise. Like there is so much noise and echo around me right now and if you think

01:13:37 ◼   ► the show doesn't sound as good as normal.

01:13:39 ◼   ► You have no idea how it would sound

01:13:41 ◼   ► if I was using something else.

01:13:43 ◼   ► This microphone is absolutely fantastic and I love it.

01:13:47 ◼   ► The one thing I don't like about it

01:13:48 ◼   ► is it looks like a microphone for singing.

01:13:52 ◼   ► Like it's that kind of shape and I don't like that.

01:13:56 ◼   ► I want my microphones to look like broadcast microphones.

01:13:59 ◼   ► Like I've used the Heil PR40 for so long.

01:14:02 ◼   ► - And it looks like you're at a radio station.

01:14:04 ◼   ► Yeah, well I've got the Shure SM7B

01:14:06 ◼   ► which also looks like that.

01:14:08 ◼   ► - But this doesn't.

01:14:10 ◼   ► And I've often thought there must be like cases

01:14:12 ◼   ► that somebody must have made.

01:14:14 ◼   ► Do you know what I want, Jason?

01:14:15 ◼   ► I want that like big silver microphone,

01:14:18 ◼   ► you know, like with the slats in it.

01:14:19 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:14:20 ◼   ► - You know, like the really old timey one.

01:14:21 ◼   ► I want something like that to put over the top of this thing.

01:14:25 ◼   ► But anyway, it doesn't matter,

01:14:27 ◼   ► but it's just my one little nitpick,

01:14:28 ◼   ► which is not important in any way.

01:14:29 ◼   ► - No, I feel that same way.

01:14:30 ◼   ► I might be able to get better sound,

01:14:33 ◼   ► or at least as good a sound

01:14:34 ◼   ► with one of the other mics that I've got,

01:14:37 ◼   ► that I use when I'm doing remote recording

01:14:39 ◼   ► or adding a microphone here.

01:14:41 ◼   ► The sound might be as good or better

01:14:45 ◼   ► with those other microphones,

01:14:46 ◼   ► but it would look like a microphone

01:14:51 ◼   ► and a mic stand from a rock show in a shock mount

01:14:54 ◼   ► with a thing dropped down in front of it as a pop filter.

01:14:58 ◼   ► And instead I've got,

01:15:00 ◼   ► my microphone has all of that built into it,

01:15:02 ◼   ► so I just have a microphone here

01:15:04 ◼   ► and it looks a lot nicer.

01:15:06 ◼   ► If it sounded worse, appreciably worse, I guess,

01:15:08 ◼   ► I would change, but I'm still happy with mine.

01:15:11 ◼   ► - So there is, oh actually the microphone that I'm using,

01:15:17 ◼   ► Marco has added it to his thing now,

01:15:19 ◼   ► and he puts it at number two because of the price.

01:15:22 ◼   ► - Because of the price, yeah.

01:15:23 ◼   ► - Yeah, so that when, I think when I got it,

01:15:25 ◼   ► it wasn't in there, but it was updated,

01:15:28 ◼   ► oh, in September 2015, so maybe it was,

01:15:31 ◼   ► maybe I don't know what I'm talking about.

01:15:33 ◼   ► But what I would recommend to people is Marco's number one pick, which is the Shure Beta 87A

01:15:40 ◼   ► and also the 58, is it the 58A?

01:15:42 ◼   ► Yeah, Beta 58A is a lot cheaper than the 87 and I think it sounds great.

01:15:48 ◼   ► That's my travel microphone for my live stuff is a bunch of the Beta 58As.

01:15:53 ◼   ► But if you're just buying a microphone, it's the Audio-Technica ATR2100 USB because it's

01:16:00 ◼   ► It's cheap and it's good and it does USB and it does XLR.

01:16:04 ◼   ► So that's my number one.

01:16:06 ◼   ► I'm going to put a link to Marco's mega review of microphones because you can go and listen

01:16:10 ◼   ► to the samples.

01:16:11 ◼   ► But I actually recorded analog this week on a beta 58A because it was part of, well I'd

01:16:18 ◼   ► already packed up all this equipment.

01:16:20 ◼   ► And when I was editing it I was like, "Do you know what?

01:16:22 ◼   ► This sounds close enough.

01:16:23 ◼   ► I can hear the differences.

01:16:24 ◼   ► I don't know if other people would.

01:16:27 ◼   ► But this microphone that I use is, this is my tool.

01:16:31 ◼   ► This is the tool of my trade, is this microphone.

01:16:33 ◼   ► So I'm the one that does the best job for me.

01:16:36 ◼   ► I use a boom arm, so that's the thing that comes in from the right hand side and suspends

01:16:40 ◼   ► the microphone.

01:16:41 ◼   ► I use one by a company called K&M.

01:16:44 ◼   ► Again, I use this one, it was recommended to me by Marco.

01:16:50 ◼   ► I like this one a lot because it has an XLR cable built into it, as opposed to trying

01:16:56 ◼   ► The one I had before I was wrapping a cable around it and kind of strapping it on

01:17:00 ◼   ► But in this one the cable is built into the stand like into into the arm

01:17:04 ◼   ► So out one side a plug microphone and out the other side is a cable that I can take and plug in

01:17:09 ◼   ► To my interface. I really like that that makes it a lot simpler

01:17:14 ◼   ► So that's really good. And then my headphones are the bare dynamic DT 770

01:17:21 ◼   ► I

01:17:23 ◼   ► I just really like these headphones. They're super comfortable. I don't like the cable. It's like a straight cable

01:17:27 ◼   ► I wish it had a coiled cable

01:17:29 ◼   ► But it has a straight cable and they're just really good

01:17:32 ◼   ► they sound really good with music, but I like them because I can wear them for many many many many hours and

01:17:37 ◼   ► And they're very very comfortable. So yeah, that's that's that's kind of my

01:17:42 ◼   ► Gear, I mean there's a couple of other little things floating around here

01:17:45 ◼   ► Like my Wacom tablet is off to the side because I don't have the iMac set up yet

01:17:49 ◼   ► But that's there you'll see that I've took a trip to dongle town. You can see two dogs on here

01:17:54 ◼   ► And then I course the magic trackpad again

01:17:57 ◼   ► I'll mention is in case people don't know how I do this when I edit and actually when I use my Mac

01:18:02 ◼   ► I'm left-handed. So I use my way compa in my left hand

01:18:06 ◼   ► Where I'm navigating interface and you know making cuts and stuff and then I use my right hand on the trackpad

01:18:11 ◼   ► Which I use for gestures and for panning. I maintain that this is the best way to

01:18:17 ◼   ► especially edit anything and I try and turn people onto this like you don't have to use a tablet but I think

01:18:22 ◼   ► Two-handedness is awesome having a trackpad for gestures and then some other form of input for more fine-tuning editing is great

01:18:29 ◼   ► So yeah, that's that's kind of my feeling on that. But yeah, that that is my equipment. That is my new setup

01:18:36 ◼   ► that's what I'm dealing with here and I

01:18:38 ◼   ► Have obviously had to 5k iMac

01:18:40 ◼   ► Which is the Mac that I usually use rather than the MacBook adorable sitting there

01:18:44 ◼   ► That I'm looking at right now and wondering if it's doing the job that it's supposed to be doing

01:18:48 ◼   ► I do really like this computer a lot. I've been using it more recently and

01:18:52 ◼   ► And I kind of hit upon something Jason why I like this computer

01:18:57 ◼   ► It is the computer closest to the iPad

01:19:00 ◼   ► Yeah, sure. This is so thin

01:19:03 ◼   ► It's so light and it's like the keyboard feels not like a regular keyboard

01:19:07 ◼   ► Really?

01:19:08 ◼   ► I think it reminds me of the iPad when I use it

01:19:11 ◼   ► but I was doing some stuff on it today like I posted cortex today from it from a cafe whilst the flooring was being put in

01:19:16 ◼   ► which is what I was dealing with today and

01:19:18 ◼   ► trying to export from

01:19:21 ◼   ► Final cut like the the YouTube video and trying to encode the mp3

01:19:25 ◼   ► It took a very very very long time

01:19:31 ◼   ► A very long time and I realized why I love my iMac. I really do love this machine

01:19:38 ◼   ► It's not built for that stuff. It will do it, but it's not built for it

01:19:41 ◼   ► I had that same experience when I've traveled with especially with that my 11-inch MacBook Air

01:19:46 ◼   ► where once I got the 5k iMac I got used to the speed of

01:19:51 ◼   ► plugins and

01:19:54 ◼   ► Exporting the file from logic and doing video encoding and then I was doing a podcast production on

01:20:00 ◼   ► from I think from my mom's house in Arizona on my MacBook Air and

01:20:05 ◼   ► Again, I have edited so many podcasts on that thing, but after coming off the 5k iMac

01:20:11 ◼   ► I I was like, oh my god, I it's gonna take five minutes to export this thing

01:20:16 ◼   ► I just said, you know, I I'd forgotten so there it's great. You can take it with you

01:20:20 ◼   ► It doesn't have a lot of power. That's the trade-off

01:20:22 ◼   ► But it's you know, there these are delightfully little laptops. They just don't have the power of that the 5k iMac

01:20:29 ◼   ► So I I have those I have those moments when I'm even now on my iMac

01:20:34 ◼   ► I have those moments where I'm denoising something and I've got the original 5k iMac so it's got the slower

01:20:40 ◼   ► SSD than the the one that's like twice as fast of SSD

01:20:44 ◼   ► The channel to the SSD and I have those moments where I'm like, oh man

01:20:48 ◼   ► Imagine how much faster this would be because it's entirely just hitting the disc. It's like oh well

01:20:54 ◼   ► I'm not gonna buy a new iMac just for a faster disc, but there it is

01:20:57 ◼   ► Yeah, I am I think it took

01:21:02 ◼   ► cluster an hour to make the Final Cut video.

01:21:06 ◼   ► - Yeah, yep.

01:21:09 ◼   ► - Which is like a five or 10 minute thing,

01:21:10 ◼   ► I'm not even kidding, on my iMac.

01:21:13 ◼   ► I'm not surprised, right?

01:21:14 ◼   ► Like I know what I'm getting into with this stuff.

01:21:16 ◼   ► And frankly, like this is the thing,

01:21:19 ◼   ► it wouldn't have been done.

01:21:21 ◼   ► I couldn't have done it.

01:21:23 ◼   ► I couldn't have been at home while they were doing this.

01:21:25 ◼   ► So it may have taken an hour,

01:21:27 ◼   ► but it took an hour and it was done.

01:21:30 ◼   ► Otherwise it wouldn't have been done.

01:21:31 ◼   ► and it would have been many more hours late.

01:21:32 ◼   ► So, you know, this is the thing.

01:21:35 ◼   ► And what I was able to do was just grab this,

01:21:36 ◼   ► I just grabbed it and just walked down to the cafe,

01:21:38 ◼   ► didn't even have a bag with me.

01:21:39 ◼   ► Because this thing is so incredibly small

01:21:41 ◼   ► and so incredibly light,

01:21:42 ◼   ► and it's exactly what I'm looking for.

01:21:44 ◼   ► But it's just realizing what you're losing sometimes.

01:21:49 ◼   ► It's like, okay.

01:21:50 ◼   ► Like, you just put it all into perspective,

01:21:51 ◼   ► but I am still very, very happy with my choice

01:21:56 ◼   ► of getting this over the MacBook Pro.

01:22:00 ◼   ► And that pro would have done it quickly, but it wouldn't have been as easy to carry around.

01:22:04 ◼   ► And that's what I'm looking for.

01:22:05 ◼   ► All right, so do you have any more questions about my setup here?

01:22:08 ◼   ► No, I mean, I identified the audio, the USB audio interface.

01:22:15 ◼   ► I noticed that, the amp for your headphones.

01:22:17 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:22:21 ◼   ► I don't think I mean, I guess my only question is, now at your new place, are you closer

01:22:26 ◼   ► to Dongle Town?

01:22:27 ◼   ► Is the trip to Dongle Town longer or shorter than your old place?

01:22:31 ◼   ► It's a quicker trip to Dongle Town.

01:22:33 ◼   ► Okay, good. Good. That's good.

01:22:34 ◼   ► That was really important for the move.

01:22:37 ◼   ► Looking at the future that we're going into now,

01:22:39 ◼   ► like how far away from Dongle Town.

01:22:41 ◼   ► It's important.

01:22:42 ◼   ► Apple users need to be close to Dongle Town.

01:22:44 ◼   ► All right. Good. That's all. I have no further questions.

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01:28:01 ◼   ► Rajiv wanted to know, "Why do Americans only get 24 hours to watch an iTunes-rented

01:28:08 ◼   ► movie whilst other countries get 48 hours?

01:28:11 ◼   ► And the reason is, is local laws about return periods."

01:28:14 ◼   ► So I remember when the iTunes store started doing rentals, originally it was

01:28:18 ◼   ► like you got 24 hours to watch it.

01:28:20 ◼   ► But I think in the UK, I think we get 72, so you were 48 or 72 hours.

01:28:24 ◼   ► And it's just based upon European Union laws, um, about, uh, the, the time that

01:28:31 ◼   ► you get to watch a movie in.

01:28:32 ◼   ► And I think we get like 30 days to watch it or something.

01:28:34 ◼   ► And then once you start, it's like 48 or 72 hours to complete it.

01:28:37 ◼   ► So it's, it's different, completely different to yours and just all just

01:28:40 ◼   ► based on consumer law and stuff like that.

01:28:45 ◼   ► - As a parent, let me tell you,

01:28:48 ◼   ► 24 hour rentals are the worst.

01:28:51 ◼   ► It's a little bit better now,

01:28:53 ◼   ► but when the kids were little or littler,

01:28:57 ◼   ► it was very difficult to get through an entire movie

01:29:01 ◼   ► before we were just exhausted and had to pass out.

01:29:04 ◼   ► There were so many times when there were movies

01:29:06 ◼   ► that I wanted to watch.

01:29:07 ◼   ► I mean, it still happens to a certain degree

01:29:10 ◼   ► where it's not appropriate when our younger kids

01:29:14 ◼   ► are running around.

01:29:16 ◼   ► So you can only watch it when they're in bed

01:29:18 ◼   ► or in some cases like when they're,

01:29:20 ◼   ► we have a very small house,

01:29:22 ◼   ► my son's bedroom is next to the living room,

01:29:25 ◼   ► shares a wall with the living room.

01:29:28 ◼   ► And so it's not just when he goes to bed,

01:29:30 ◼   ► but it's like, and is asleep.

01:29:32 ◼   ► And then you're like, you're picking a movie to watch

01:29:36 ◼   ► and you're like, I can't watch this two hour

01:29:37 ◼   ► 20 minute long movie because I'll pass out and you know, there's there's no way it's too late for us to start this movie and

01:29:44 ◼   ► We would choose short movies or we would not rent a movie because we couldn't do it over two nights. It's the worst. I

01:29:50 ◼   ► Just think that it should be like I know it's more complicated

01:29:54 ◼   ► But you get 24 hours to you know to watch it from the start

01:30:00 ◼   ► So let's say you start a movie get halfway through

01:30:01 ◼   ► You get 24 hours in which you can go back to the start and watch it through but other than that

01:30:06 ◼   ► You should just and you could pick up from any point for as long as you want

01:30:09 ◼   ► Right, you should be able to watch the movie the whole way through once whether you pulls it or not

01:30:14 ◼   ► Yeah, I I agree with that

01:30:16 ◼   ► I mean you could argue that that allows you to keep the movie forever because you keep backing it up and things like that and

01:30:20 ◼   ► During your rental period you should be able to back it up to the beginning and start it again or watch it as many

01:30:24 ◼   ► But the fact is it comes from a pay-per-view

01:30:26 ◼   ► System it's using pay-per-view contracts a lot of the time where they had very specific like 24-hour purchase

01:30:33 ◼   ► you know, a 24-hour rental, watch it as much as you like, and then it disappears and all that.

01:30:37 ◼   ► But I agree with you. I'm not sure what is served by having it be a 24-hour window and not a 72-hour window.

01:30:43 ◼   ► I doubt there are very many people who don't get to the end of a movie and rent it a second time the next day, right?

01:30:48 ◼   ► I don't think that happens, but it would be, it's, yeah, it's totally consumer hostile.

01:30:53 ◼   ► I know that Amazon has some. Joe Steele, our buddy in the chat room, mentions that some of their,

01:30:59 ◼   ► Some but not all of their titles do have a longer window and I have rented movies on Amazon for that reason

01:31:04 ◼   ► That I'll see two-day rentals on there and Apple just hasn't gone down that route and it's annoying

01:31:08 ◼   ► Andrew asked now that spark has a desktop client the email client either if you're going to be changing your email workflow setup

01:31:17 ◼   ► so I use air mail on all of my devices and

01:31:21 ◼   ► I really love the power that it has and

01:31:26 ◼   ► It seems to be getting more and more features all the time.

01:31:28 ◼   ► And this is, you know, my email client is the type of app where I want more and more features all the time

01:31:32 ◼   ► because I like for it to get better.

01:31:35 ◼   ► Airmail has bugs. It can be buggy. It can be weird.

01:31:39 ◼   ► But it's being actively developed and they're working on all of those things and the power that it provides me and the flexibility that it

01:31:46 ◼   ► provides me, I'm willing to take for the bugs that it has.

01:31:49 ◼   ► I'm using Gmail and

01:31:52 ◼   ► I use mail plane on the Mac and I'm currently using actually mail dot app

01:31:56 ◼   ► But I I've been looking at the Gmail app too on iOS

01:32:00 ◼   ► I'm I'm keeping an open mind. I really like using mail plane using the Gmail web interface essentially wrapped around a Mac app

01:32:08 ◼   ► It is it works really well for me and how I how I deal with mail. I've really kind of become a

01:32:14 ◼   ► Convert to that after many years of using Apple mail and Eudora before that but I'm gonna keep an open mind

01:32:22 ◼   ► mind because I think either airmail or spark it it goes back Myke to my organizational

01:32:29 ◼   ► system my calendar to-do list my cal it goes back to my calendar to-do list so it could

01:32:40 ◼   ► be part of a larger organizational shift for me in 2017 or or not so I'm gonna keep an

01:32:47 ◼   ► open mind. I do think, and Andrew makes this point in his question, that I can't rely

01:32:54 ◼   ► on anything that doesn't work on the Mac and iOS.

01:32:59 ◼   ► That was one of the reasons I went with AirMail. I'd spoken about how much I liked Spark in

01:33:03 ◼   ► the past, but I couldn't use them completely. I couldn't go all in on it because it didn't

01:33:07 ◼   ► have a Mac app. And all of these applications, they kind of, they do things to your email,

01:33:12 ◼   ► right? They make them look a certain way, they might categorize them in a certain way.

01:33:15 ◼   ► They have special mailboxes they make in your account in order to move things in and then

01:33:20 ◼   ► they move them out again and they notify you and things like that.

01:33:22 ◼   ► You need to be present in that interface in order to get that stuff.

01:33:27 ◼   ► Now even though I use Airmail, I don't use things like snoozing features anymore because

01:33:31 ◼   ► I was bitten so badly when mailbox died.

01:33:33 ◼   ► So I don't use snoozing and I will never use it again because I'm not going to let myself

01:33:38 ◼   ► get into a situation where an app goes away and then all this stuff gets broken.

01:33:42 ◼   ► However, I will not be switching to Spark because I don't know what their business model

01:33:48 ◼   ► is and I don't like that for something like my email application.

01:33:51 ◼   ► Airmail, you pay upfront, Spark is free and they said they were going to have in-app purchases

01:33:56 ◼   ► for like these different categorization features since it launched and they've not done any

01:34:01 ◼   ► of it.

01:34:02 ◼   ► So I question, now I know the company like they have a, you know, Riedel, they make a

01:34:06 ◼   ► bunch of applications that they sell.

01:34:08 ◼   ► So you know, they are a company that makes money, but Spark can't be a profit center

01:34:12 ◼   ► for them right now and until I see something like that I won't even be considering a move.

01:34:17 ◼   ► Because my email application, again, this is coming from somebody who used Mailbox.

01:34:21 ◼   ► Mailbox got bought by Dropbox, Dropbox tried to use it, couldn't make money out of it,

01:34:25 ◼   ► killed it.

01:34:26 ◼   ► My email is too important to me and I want an application that I can rely on and right

01:34:29 ◼   ► now I believe that that application is airmail.

01:34:31 ◼   ► As cool as Spark is, as cool as it looks, I need to know that it's going to be around

01:34:36 ◼   ► and right now I can't see how they're gonna guarantee that other than just saying it and that's not enough.

01:34:42 ◼   ► Yeah, I hear that. I'm not too worried about the snoozing features just because they tend to work by moving things into special mailboxes

01:34:50 ◼   ► and when I stopped using whatever was a mailbox that I don't even... I just moved them out.

01:34:58 ◼   ► But I have 500 messages in my inbox, so that would work for me.

01:35:03 ◼   ► I know.

01:35:04 ◼   ► Jason!

01:35:05 ◼   ► I know.

01:35:06 ◼   ► No, I have six.

01:35:07 ◼   ► Organisational system.

01:35:10 ◼   ► Your system, I can't.

01:35:13 ◼   ► Someone needs to just fly like David Sparks in to just sit with you for like four days.

01:35:19 ◼   ► I might get you that for Christmas.

01:35:20 ◼   ► I might get you a Sparks.

01:35:23 ◼   ► So you can calm down and just deal with you.

01:35:27 ◼   ► Now see how much it costs to hire him for a couple of days.

01:35:31 ◼   ► Nathan wants to know, "Why do you think that there are not more games that use split view

01:35:35 ◼   ► on the iPad. I only know of one and that's threes. And you know what? I thought about

01:35:39 ◼   ► it and said that is a good point. Like threes you can use in split view in the little side

01:35:43 ◼   ► pane. So you can maybe have like a long YouTube video up or something and play threes at the

01:35:46 ◼   ► same time. I've done this. You know, I might be like watching a long video or listening

01:35:51 ◼   ► to a podcast and I have threes open on the side panel. I think there are just not a lot

01:35:55 ◼   ► of games that specifically work. I mean threes works because threes on the iPad, especially

01:36:00 ◼   ► on one of the pro iPads, it's too big. So like threes works on the side panel because

01:36:05 ◼   ► really is an iPhone game any other size screen it kind of is a bit too much so

01:36:09 ◼   ► it works really well but I do wonder why I haven't seen more games that like

01:36:13 ◼   ► specifically take advantage of that because I think that there is something

01:36:16 ◼   ► there. I think most game developers don't think I think most game

01:36:22 ◼   ► developers would like to believe that their game is the center of attention

01:36:25 ◼   ► and that why would anybody be doing something else while they're playing my

01:36:28 ◼   ► game. Good point. And some games that's true maybe some games that's not true I

01:36:34 ◼   ► I mean, if I was playing Words with Friends with somebody who was online at the same time

01:36:39 ◼   ► and we were moving back and forth, right, like, I might want to keep that window open

01:36:43 ◼   ► and do something else rather than switch away and then get-- wait for the notification.

01:36:49 ◼   ► But you know, I think-- I think you could argue that Splitview is really good for moving

01:36:54 ◼   ► between, you know, I'm doing something over here and I'm doing something over there and

01:36:57 ◼   ► they're kind of interrelated, and a game is usually 100% of your focus.

01:37:03 ◼   ► So that's why I think.

01:37:05 ◼   ► Good point.

01:37:06 ◼   ► Ken asked, "On Twitter, Jason recommended using Signal.

01:37:11 ◼   ► Do you think iMessage is just a secure?"

01:37:13 ◼   ► What is Signal?

01:37:14 ◼   ► I don't even know what it is.

01:37:15 ◼   ► Signal is a secure messaging platform.

01:37:18 ◼   ► It's all encrypted end to end.

01:37:20 ◼   ► And that was, we were talking about protecting yourself from government spying basically.

01:37:28 ◼   ► and using Signal was something that is sort of generally thought of as a best practice,

01:37:34 ◼   ► that it's a end-to-end encrypted system that seems trustworthy and doesn't seem to have

01:37:40 ◼   ► been broken and you could use it.

01:37:44 ◼   ► I think iMessage is secure based on what we know of it, other than the fact that there

01:37:50 ◼   ► is some metadata that gets sent to Apple, and so it just depends, right?

01:37:57 ◼   ► Apple is a big target. I think Apple has engineered iMessage very specifically to be end-to-end

01:38:03 ◼   ► encrypted. I would say the problem is that iMessage only works if you've got iOS devices.

01:38:10 ◼   ► So the advantage of using something like Signal is that it also works on Android. I am not

01:38:15 ◼   ► a security expert.

01:38:17 ◼   ► >> Because your text messages won't be encrypted in the same way that your iMessages would

01:38:21 ◼   ► be.

01:38:22 ◼   ► >> Sure, sure, exactly right. Yeah, if you're sending the green bubbles to somebody on Android,

01:38:26 ◼   ► That's not gonna do it, but Signal is cross platform.

01:38:29 ◼   ► I'm not a security expert.

01:38:30 ◼   ► I really am not at all even remotely,

01:38:32 ◼   ► but when I listen to security experts,

01:38:34 ◼   ► that this is one of the things they say is,

01:38:37 ◼   ► use Signal 'cause it's pretty secure.

01:38:41 ◼   ► iOS is actually pretty secure compared to Android.

01:38:43 ◼   ► I think they like Chromebooks at this point

01:38:48 ◼   ► that they're pretty secure.

01:38:49 ◼   ► They're very specific things that are like harder

01:38:52 ◼   ► to subvert, but that's,

01:38:56 ◼   ► That's all I can say about it.

01:38:57 ◼   ► Bill asked, are there any iOS browsers that can spoof a website and make you

01:39:02 ◼   ► think that you're using Internet Explorer?

01:39:04 ◼   ► I wonder why Bill wants to do this.

01:39:05 ◼   ► I see he's testing something.

01:39:06 ◼   ► Check out iCab.

01:39:08 ◼   ► iCab has browser spoofing.

01:39:09 ◼   ► iCab is a incredible in every sense of the word application for iOS.

01:39:15 ◼   ► It is a third party browser that does just crazy things.

01:39:22 ◼   ► like you can do like multiple,

01:39:25 ◼   ► I think I got up to three pane split view in iCab.

01:39:29 ◼   ► Like it gets, it's one of these applications

01:39:33 ◼   ► that's been around forever.

01:39:34 ◼   ► Like it was one of those applications that got like,

01:39:37 ◼   ► has had a history of being like banned from the store

01:39:39 ◼   ► and all that stuff like, you know,

01:39:41 ◼   ► and then making like a big fuss when it was like,

01:39:44 ◼   ► there should be third party browsers and all that stuff.

01:39:46 ◼   ► And iCab has a long history of active development.

01:39:50 ◼   ► It is a good application.

01:39:52 ◼   ► I know Federico uses it for some stuff,

01:39:53 ◼   ► not to browse, but for some interesting things.

01:39:57 ◼   ► I think Fraser spoke about it on an episode of Canvas,

01:40:01 ◼   ► one of their earlier episodes.

01:40:02 ◼   ► So, iCab would be, if any app's gonna do it,

01:40:05 ◼   ► iCab's gonna be the one.

01:40:06 ◼   ► - Yep.

01:40:07 ◼   ► - Myke asked, "What are the pros and cons

01:40:09 ◼   ► of 1Password versus LastPass?

01:40:11 ◼   ► I have 1Password on my phone and iPad,

01:40:14 ◼   ► but have yet to migrate from LastPass.

01:40:16 ◼   ► Is it worth it?"

01:40:17 ◼   ► - Yeah, and the short answer here,

01:40:19 ◼   ► I picked this question because Wirecutter just updated their best password managers

01:40:25 ◼   ► article and we'll put a link in the show notes. They recommend LastPass largely because it's

01:40:32 ◼   ► cheaper and it's more friendly cross-platform. It doesn't work, one password doesn't work on

01:40:42 ◼   ► Chromebooks and does it's got features that are missing on Windows at least at the moment

01:40:48 ◼   ► and it's more expensive. So these are reasons why they picked it. My understanding is that LastPass,

01:40:57 ◼   ► I mean LastPass had a security problem at one point and I think they sync. Doesn't LastPass do

01:41:03 ◼   ► like their own cloud service? I have no idea. I don't know. I mean I sync my

01:41:10 ◼   ► 1Password database with Dropbox, so in order to get my passwords you would need to break into

01:41:17 ◼   ► my Dropbox and then break into the encryption of the file inside of my Dropbox.

01:41:24 ◼   ► I do our bits to their own nails with it too, don't they?

01:41:27 ◼   ► Yeah, you can also do that depending on the system that you've got.

01:41:31 ◼   ► So you know, you just gotta shop.

01:41:36 ◼   ► I think in the end, price and compatibility across platforms are the things to look at

01:41:41 ◼   ► first.

01:41:42 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:41:43 ◼   ► I feel better about using my own Dropbox.

01:41:46 ◼   ► through one password. It just makes me feel better. Like there's multiple layers here,

01:41:51 ◼   ► multiple companies, you know, an element of maybe physical access required. Like I like that,

01:41:56 ◼   ► I like that level, those extra layers that it gives me. Don't tell me if it's wrong. I like

01:42:00 ◼   ► what I do. It makes me happy. Please don't tell me that I'm being a bonehead. I don't want to know.

01:42:04 ◼   ► Yeah. And, um, what Wirecutter says about 1Password very specifically is it's got a more polished and

01:42:10 ◼   ► convenient user interface. It's a little faster at most tasks. It's got a local storage option.

01:42:14 ◼   ► if you don't trust the cloud, it gives you more options than Last+

01:42:18 ◼   ► password working with attached files and it can do the one-time token stuff for

01:42:23 ◼   ► two-step verification which you otherwise would have to do in a separate

01:42:27 ◼   ► app. But it is more expensive and less compatible across if you care about

01:42:33 ◼   ► things like Chromebooks or some of their features on Windows.

01:42:37 ◼   ► We've also discovered today that one password is easier to say on a podcast.

01:42:40 ◼   ► yeah so otherwise we're talking about last plus la la la la last last it's a

01:42:47 ◼   ► long-lasting solution yeah this week's episode is we're gonna do Myke at the

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01:45:24 ◼   ► - You did, well, I realized the moment

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01:45:33 ◼   ► Home Alone, one of my very favorite Christmas movies. You just did a great episode of Top

01:45:39 ◼   ► Four where both Marco and Tiff put, you did it with you and Lauren and you did Christmas

01:45:47 ◼   ► movies. Both Marco and Tiff put Home Alone on their Top Four list.

01:45:54 ◼   ► So I'm very interested to find out what you feel about this movie. Before you tell

01:45:57 ◼   ► me in true Myke at the movie style what did you know about this movie before you watched it?

01:46:02 ◼   ► You knew the screaming part because you did that last week don't do it again please.

01:46:07 ◼   ► Everyone will be happy to know if you listen to the end of the last episode and heard Jason scream

01:46:13 ◼   ► I ducked the audio down he was about two times louder than that at the time so please don't do

01:46:19 ◼   ► that again. So here's what I know about it I know that in 1990 when I was 19 years old

01:46:27 ◼   ► I was aware that this was a huge hit that that was the, you could not turn around without bumping into somebody who was talking about Home Alone.

01:46:37 ◼   ► It was, uh, it was, I think it became the highest grossing comedy of all time.

01:46:43 ◼   ► It ran through, uh, Christmas and into January with big word of mouth and, and big box office, even though it was a, you know, a holiday release and released in the middle of November.

01:46:56 ◼   ► the middle of November because it was so successful and so everybody was talking

01:47:00 ◼   ► about it. I felt like by the time I got through college I was probably the only

01:47:06 ◼   ► person on earth who had not seen Home Alone and I just didn't see it. I didn't

01:47:13 ◼   ► exert any effort to go see it and since then I don't think I've really avoided

01:47:18 ◼   ► it as much as well maybe I haven't avoided it like it wasn't on TV and I

01:47:23 ◼   ► I was like, "Oh, Home Alone, I can't watch that.

01:47:25 ◼   ► I gotta keep the streak intact."

01:47:27 ◼   ► But it was one of those things where I started to think,

01:47:29 ◼   ► I'm the only person who hasn't seen Home Alone.

01:47:32 ◼   ► - I do this.

01:47:32 ◼   ► I'm like this for Game of Thrones.

01:47:34 ◼   ► Like, I'm never gonna watch Game of Thrones

01:47:35 ◼   ► 'cause I'm happy I don't watch it now.

01:47:36 ◼   ► Like, it's like a badge of honor that I hold for myself.

01:47:39 ◼   ► - Here's a unique thing.

01:47:40 ◼   ► Well, and so this is,

01:47:41 ◼   ► I want you to know what I did for this show is that

01:47:44 ◼   ► it's been 26 years since this movie came out,

01:47:46 ◼   ► and you made me break a 26-year-long streak

01:47:50 ◼   ► of being able to say to people,

01:47:51 ◼   ► "You know, I've never seen Home Alone,"

01:47:52 ◼   ► have them be like, "What? That's impossible!" In fact, Top Four was sort of like my going

01:47:57 ◼   ► away party for that little part of my life because when we recorded that I hadn't seen

01:48:02 ◼   ► Home Alone, but like a couple days later I saw it.

01:48:05 ◼   ► So I should say, what do I know about it? I know that it's a movie where Macaulay Culkin

01:48:11 ◼   ► is at home and burglars are trying to break in and he does terrible things to them in

01:48:17 ◼   ► order to not be taken or attacked or whatever to defend his home from the burglars and I

01:48:25 ◼   ► knew that it was a John Hughes production and that Joe Pesci and Daniel Stern were in

01:48:32 ◼   ► it. That is all I knew about Home Alone.

01:48:34 ◼   ► Okay. You knew most of it, right? Really, like, that's what Home Alone is.

01:48:40 ◼   ► Well, but okay, so here's the thing though. The thing that I think of as Home Alone, and

01:48:46 ◼   ► Maybe this is true. So it was funny watching this with Lauren because for her, this is

01:48:51 ◼   ► an old, an old movie she's seen unknown numbers of times dating back to 1990 when

01:48:56 ◼   ► she probably saw it in the theater when it came out like everybody else in humanity.

01:49:01 ◼   ► So I'm asking questions and making comments about they could have done it this way as

01:49:07 ◼   ► if it's a brand new thing. And she's like, but you're talking about ancient history.

01:49:11 ◼   ► It's it's a little bit like fact checking a Gone with the Wind or something where it's

01:49:14 ◼   ► It's like, yeah, it's kinda too late now for you to be asking these questions.

01:49:20 ◼   ► So I was doing some of that, but the thing that really surprised me is what we think

01:49:23 ◼   ► of as home alone doesn't happen in the movie until an hour and fifteen minutes in.

01:49:29 ◼   ► That's when the assault on the house begins.

01:49:31 ◼   ► Everything before that is, you know, it's set up and there are other little vignettes

01:49:35 ◼   ► and that's the stuff I didn't realize.

01:49:37 ◼   ► I mean I kind of figured that it would start with

01:49:40 ◼   ► like him being left home alone and

01:49:44 ◼   ► be like good luck Kevin and they leave and he's home alone and he has adventures and

01:49:50 ◼   ► Is attacked by these guys and fends them off and all of that, but but no that's not how it's structured at all

01:49:57 ◼   ► There is on that line though that there is a the thing is having seen this movie a bunch of times

01:50:03 ◼   ► There's something that I noticed this time is how little setup there actually is to the point where he gets left

01:50:09 ◼   ► Like that is very quick that point. It's well, okay

01:50:13 ◼   ► so it's the thing is there's a lot that happens between that point and the home invasion part and

01:50:18 ◼   ► Yes arguably that I mean if you if you take away a lot of the cultural significance all of that is is

01:50:24 ◼   ► Interested in important stuff. It's like how this little kid

01:50:27 ◼   ► Tries to live on his own

01:50:29 ◼   ► Right, I can go into the store and all and in theory like if you weigh them all up

01:50:33 ◼   ► They're all like interesting parts on their own

01:50:35 ◼   ► But there is now so much cultural significance around the home invasion section of the movie that it is strange

01:50:40 ◼   ► but like if you take that away because I was trying to watch it in a different way than usual like I was trying to

01:50:45 ◼   ► Pay attention to things

01:50:46 ◼   ► The point at which the movie starts to Macaulay Culkin is on his own is very fast

01:50:51 ◼   ► And it's there isn't much backstory in this movie either which was a surprise really like trying to

01:50:58 ◼   ► outline why this would happen like you very quickly

01:51:01 ◼   ► Realized that like but it's set up that like the whole family hates Kevin. Yeah

01:51:06 ◼   ► Yeah

01:51:07 ◼   ► And there's no reason why for that and I actually think that the movie is better for that because it keeps it

01:51:12 ◼   ► Moving quicker than trying to go into like Kevin McAllister was a boy who was always in trouble at school, you know

01:51:19 ◼   ► They don't really go into any of that

01:51:20 ◼   ► It's just like none of his brothers and sisters like him probably because he's the youngest and the parents seem to be a bit of a trouble

01:51:27 ◼   ► And he doesn't like them too, right? Because he wishes that his family would just go away and leave him alone.

01:51:32 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:51:33 ◼   ► I think it's funny. I agree with you. It happens as it happens as quickly as possible,

01:51:39 ◼   ► but I noticed the great extent they go to to make it like the movie puts in a lot of work to

01:51:47 ◼   ► engineer a scenario

01:51:49 ◼   ► where a kid would be left at home alone for multiple days, a little kid would be left at home alone for multiple days.

01:51:54 ◼   ► Like they try really hard and it feels I gotta be honest

01:51:59 ◼   ► It feels super artificial like it's very clear that they the movie needs to get to its premise

01:52:05 ◼   ► And so you all have to watch for 15 minutes as the movie does its work to get to the premise and I get you

01:52:12 ◼   ► Know, I don't know what a better solution is other than like literally

01:52:15 ◼   ► He wakes up and nobody's at home and we find out at the end that oh we didn't realize you weren't with us

01:52:22 ◼   ► and then we were trapped in France and then I made my way back. Like you could just do that, I guess, but

01:52:27 ◼   ► people, I think they were worried in 1990 that people are going to be wondering like, how could this happen?

01:52:32 ◼   ► And so, and how awful are these parents? So they have to make it that the parents are more frazzled,

01:52:37 ◼   ► they wake up late, there are two vans.

01:52:39 ◼   ► This is at a time, pre-9/11, when you could go to the airport and just kind of like run through the airport.

01:52:47 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:52:47 ◼   ► Which at the time was not, you know, at the time,

01:52:51 ◼   ► There was still airport security, so you know and as a parent you're like counting your kids

01:52:55 ◼   ► But this is a large group the idea is that everybody always

01:52:58 ◼   ► expects that somebody else knows where Kevin is and they're and they're so busy running through security that they're not stopping to count everybody today

01:53:05 ◼   ► To you know post 9/11 security that this would be you know very difficult to pull off

01:53:11 ◼   ► But at the time I think you can just kind of go, but there's a lot of that

01:53:15 ◼   ► There's an awful lot of that that is there and I guess why I get why they do it

01:53:20 ◼   ► But I did have that move that moment of like come on movie. I get it. You want him to be alone

01:53:24 ◼   ► Let's let's just get there

01:53:26 ◼   ► But it needed to do all that work with the you know that kid goes in the van to look around and then comes back out

01:53:32 ◼   ► But they've done the count you know, but it's it's it's over fast

01:53:35 ◼   ► It happens pretty fast

01:53:36 ◼   ► But I was I just noted that they put in a lot of effort to get to the premise because that you know

01:53:43 ◼   ► Really the point was to get to the premise

01:53:45 ◼   ► So a few things that I noticed

01:53:48 ◼   ► The McAllister's are very rich it would seem their house is massive and I don't know why it's not explained

01:53:54 ◼   ► What either of the parents yeah, it's a it's a movie house. It's very nice. It is the suburbs in Chicago

01:54:00 ◼   ► I mean, it's it's it is a very nice house. That's true that there are five children account

01:54:06 ◼   ► These are five children in the McAllister immediate family

01:54:10 ◼   ► There are many more children in this movie, but there there are five Kevin has

01:54:14 ◼   ► two brothers and two sisters

01:54:17 ◼   ► None of the kids look alike at all and the funny thing is

01:54:21 ◼   ► Macaulay Culkin's younger brother is in this movie, but he's a cousin

01:54:25 ◼   ► Yeah, which is hilarious that like they actually use his younger brother, but not as immediate family

01:54:32 ◼   ► But I guess cuz he's younger right there Kevin needed to be the youngest kid in this I wonder if I

01:54:38 ◼   ► Wonder how it ended up working out right like was it was it?

01:54:42 ◼   ► It was at Macaulay or was it there?

01:54:44 ◼   ► I can't remember the other guy's name.

01:54:46 ◼   ► Like I wonder whether they were thinking

01:54:47 ◼   ► who they would go without the two of them.

01:54:50 ◼   ► I think that whilst Macaulay Culkin is young in this movie,

01:54:53 ◼   ► I think he does a really good job of carrying this on his own

01:54:55 ◼   ► which is not an easy thing to do.

01:54:57 ◼   ► Like I don't know how old he is in this movie,

01:54:59 ◼   ► but he's young and he does a really, really good job.

01:55:03 ◼   ► And I think he does a convincing job in a lot of places.

01:55:05 ◼   ► Like you believe that he is Kevin McAllister.

01:55:08 ◼   ► I think it's kind of what ruined his career as well.

01:55:10 ◼   ► Isn't that like, I think he is Kevin McAllister.

01:55:12 ◼   ► - I think he's nine.

01:55:14 ◼   ► - Which is, he did an amazing job as a nine year old

01:55:16 ◼   ► throughout this movie.

01:55:17 ◼   ► - Oh yeah, he carries the movie and he does it quite well.

01:55:22 ◼   ► Yeah, he does a good job, I noticed that,

01:55:23 ◼   ► that he does a very good job.

01:55:26 ◼   ► But it's without him, I don't know if this movie

01:55:31 ◼   ► would be the success that it is,

01:55:33 ◼   ► 'cause you need somebody who's capable

01:55:36 ◼   ► and not a complete blank, and he is kind of annoying

01:55:39 ◼   ► at times, but he is a presence and that's good,

01:55:43 ◼   ► 'cause you need somebody, you need a strong personality.

01:55:45 ◼   ► And he's supposed to be kind of annoying.

01:55:46 ◼   ► That's why his parents and family are annoyed by him, right?

01:55:49 ◼   ► That's why they leave him behind.

01:55:51 ◼   ► Yeah, it's funny, you talk about spelling some things out

01:55:56 ◼   ► and not spelling other things out.

01:55:58 ◼   ► Joe Pesci is there in a police uniform

01:56:00 ◼   ► at the very beginning and he's not explained.

01:56:03 ◼   ► And I said to Lauren, why--

01:56:04 ◼   ► - How did he even get in the house?

01:56:05 ◼   ► - I said to Lauren, why, oh, I think he just walked in

01:56:07 ◼   ► when the other family was coming in or something.

01:56:09 ◼   ► I said, why is he there?

01:56:11 ◼   ► And she says, just wait.

01:56:12 ◼   ► I'm like, but why is he, did I miss why he's there?

01:56:14 ◼   ► She said, no, just wait.

01:56:15 ◼   ► I'm like, all right.

01:56:16 ◼   ► And then he does the, you know,

01:56:18 ◼   ► we just had some break-ins in the neighborhood

01:56:19 ◼   ► where I'm checking, making sure everybody's around.

01:56:21 ◼   ► If you can keep an eye on your, you know,

01:56:23 ◼   ► your neighbors and all of that.

01:56:24 ◼   ► And it turns out that, yeah, he's casing the joint,

01:56:26 ◼   ► but that was a funny thing where he's not introduced

01:56:29 ◼   ► and he's just sort of like part of the furniture.

01:56:31 ◼   ► And then we see, and he gets his little ding,

01:56:35 ◼   ► gold tooth that is there.

01:56:38 ◼   ► So we can see him.

01:56:40 ◼   ► And yeah, his uncle, Kevin's uncle is mean, and uh, just look what you did, you little jerk, is a line,

01:56:46 ◼   ► and I just wrote down the, uh, "Does he say family suck?" Something like that. I think Kevin says

01:56:52 ◼   ► family suck. So you'd be, you know, you'd be sad if you woke up and didn't have a family.

01:56:56 ◼   ► And then, okay, so let me ask you a question, because I always assume that this movie is a,

01:57:05 ◼   ► You know, it is a an unrealistic story, which is fine. So it's a fantasy on that level

01:57:11 ◼   ► But there's this one scene where he goes to bed

01:57:14 ◼   ► and there and there's this, you know, you'd be sad if you woke up and didn't have a family where like

01:57:20 ◼   ► The the power goes out in the night

01:57:23 ◼   ► And I I started wondering to myself

01:57:27 ◼   ► Is this movie kind of trying to imply that something sort of magical happens here that kevin is? I don't think so

01:57:34 ◼   ► - No, no.

01:57:35 ◼   ► A lot of those movies around this time would do this,

01:57:39 ◼   ► but I actually think what this movie's doing

01:57:41 ◼   ► is magic from a child's perspective,

01:57:45 ◼   ► 'cause he believes he wished his family would play.

01:57:49 ◼   ► Right, like he wakes up,

01:57:50 ◼   ► and he doesn't think they've gone to the airport.

01:57:52 ◼   ► He thinks he did this,

01:57:54 ◼   ► and I think the conceit of this movie is

01:57:57 ◼   ► what movies of the '80s and '90s

01:58:00 ◼   ► make children believe they can do, right?

01:58:02 ◼   ► - Yeah, also why would he not go to the police?

01:58:06 ◼   ► Why would he not ask somebody for help?

01:58:08 ◼   ► The answer is--

01:58:08 ◼   ► - Because he thinks he's magic in the way.

01:58:09 ◼   ► - 'Cause he's Anthony from the Twilight Zone

01:58:11 ◼   ► and he sent his family to the cornfield

01:58:13 ◼   ► and so he isn't gonna talk to that.

01:58:15 ◼   ► That's true, there's something about the shot

01:58:18 ◼   ► of the storm blowing in and the power going out

01:58:21 ◼   ► that the way it's shot, maybe the way the music is,

01:58:24 ◼   ► that I thought made it seem a little more magical

01:58:28 ◼   ► than coincidental that led me.

01:58:31 ◼   ► I was like, that's weird.

01:58:32 ◼   ► And then it's never brought up again, but it was, you're right, it's meant to be that he does this.

01:58:36 ◼   ► So they're late to the airport because they can't, and that's where we get the whole rush to O'Hare Airport

01:58:41 ◼   ► and the vans and all of that.

01:58:42 ◼   ► And, you know, again, I don't really think that a scenario like this would be possible,

01:58:50 ◼   ► but they try very hard to get you through it so that you don't hate the parents and you end up with Kevin Home Alone.

01:58:57 ◼   ► There's another element of this which wasn't discovered really in bi-popular culture until many years later, right?

01:59:02 ◼   ► So like that there is a lot of this

01:59:04 ◼   ► It's like very hamfisted and trying to set it up right like the ways in which this would happen

01:59:08 ◼   ► I agree with that like the tree falling and making the power go out

01:59:11 ◼   ► Sets up a lot of like why no one can call Kevin on the phone. Yes. Oh, yeah

01:59:16 ◼   ► It's very you can see the plot machinations going on on the screen, right?

01:59:20 ◼   ► Which is this is all about setting up his isolation. There's one more element of this

01:59:24 ◼   ► So, you know when he knocks the milk over onto the pizza and it goes onto the trip onto the tickets, right?

01:59:28 ◼   ► This was discovered like in popular culture many years later with the blueberry production of this movie

01:59:34 ◼   ► So the the milk is knocked over it goes on to a train ticket like the plane tickets

01:59:38 ◼   ► The dad tries to clean it all up and he throws a bunch of tissue into the trash and they actually show a shot in front

01:59:42 ◼   ► Tissue into the trash in the trash is one plane ticket. Ah

01:59:46 ◼   ► So which is why they didn't have an extra plane ticket for Kevin exactly and it's like

01:59:51 ◼   ► never considered like it was in the movie never made a thing of but nobody really noticed it because it was that you would have had to

01:59:57 ◼   ► Seen it. It's really hard to see but like I remember this just like a few years ago

02:00:00 ◼   ► I was like became a thing of popular culture

02:00:02 ◼   ► So this is one of the ways they tried to set up like and and the thing is I I can agree to a point

02:00:07 ◼   ► They go to a really like they go to a really far extreme

02:00:10 ◼   ► But the thing is what I actually quite like about this movie is that it is thought through in that way

02:00:15 ◼   ► Oh, yeah, you know like it's like these are the ways

02:00:18 ◼   ► oh, it's very engineered and I can feel that and you know, I don't I don't love it

02:00:23 ◼   ► but I appreciate why they had to do it which is they had to engineer it so that

02:00:26 ◼   ► how would this perfect situation happen? Why don't kids get left home alone all the time?

02:00:33 ◼   ► It's like well all these things had to happen for it to happen this one time and that's what

02:00:38 ◼   ► we have here but you don't hate the parents because they were just frazzled and they didn't

02:00:42 ◼   ► realize and they thought the other one had it and I've seen that as as I think mentioned on

02:00:47 ◼   ► On the top four episode, Lauren's parents left her sister at a gas station at one point

02:00:53 ◼   ► and had to turn around and go back.

02:00:56 ◼   ► So it happens.

02:00:57 ◼   ► I do really like, going back a step, I really like the idea that it is meant to play like

02:01:04 ◼   ► Kevin believes he did this because it changes the tone of the movie.

02:01:07 ◼   ► Yeah.

02:01:08 ◼   ► If Kevin believes that they just went without him, it makes an angry child, not a happy

02:01:14 ◼   ► child.

02:01:15 ◼   ► You know, he thinks he got what he want rather than, "Oh, they forgot about me."

02:01:19 ◼   ► There's one moment that I really like in this movie as well, which it plays to the

02:01:24 ◼   ► realism part that I like when he's looking through Buzz's room and he's like destroying

02:01:27 ◼   ► everything and he picks up a copy of Playboy and he opens the covers and he goes, "No

02:01:32 ◼   ► clothes on anyone. Sickening." And throws it behind his head.