124: There Are Always Gates
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From Real AFM, this is Upgrade, episode number 124. Today's show
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is brought to you by Blue Apron, Eero, and Encapsula. My name is Myke Hurley,
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and I am joined by Mr. Jason Snell. Hello, Jason Snell.
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Hello, Myke Hurley.
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How the devil are you today, sir?
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Ah, very good, very good. Back another week in the saddle. Last week was tough because it was
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come back from vacation time, but I'm settling in now. I'm in a much better state than I was last
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week when we were talking after my, just like the night before flown back from vacation. I'm in a
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better place now. Good. Follow-up this week is really peculiar. We have a smattering of things
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that stretch back multiple shows?
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Mm. Well, this happens this time of year where, you know, we have a lot of things that echo
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from when we were doing show—because we did last week's show, but then we did, like,
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we skipped a week because we had the upgrade-ies, and it happens. It's okay. It's January.
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Weird stuff happens in January.
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So the first thing is that last week we were talking about the Amazon Echo, and we were
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discussing wake words and that kind of thing. And it turns out, I saw this from a friend
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of the show, Joe Steele tweeted this from Amazon Fire TV News, which is a very niche
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product website, that apparently the Amazon Echo is going to be receiving an update to
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allow the phrase "computer" as a new wake word. Apparently there's some kind of Star
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Trek joke in here?
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Yeah, well that's how they talk to computers, right?
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In Star Trek, it's just that.
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It's computer and program or whatever.
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"Hello computer!"
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All of that sort of thing.
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It's sort of a Star Trek reference.
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"Computer" is a terrible wake word.
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It would be triggered constantly.
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I agree and it's really weird.
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I don't know whether they thought of this maybe as a joke,
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if it's even a real thing, I'm not even sure.
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We talked about this last time.
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I feel that two-step phrases are the way you do this,
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because then it's a lot easier to steer clear.
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Like people were saying,
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what if you are somebody with the name
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of Amazon's digital assistant?
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Amazon's wake word is that name.
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There's no context to it.
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you literally just say the name and there are lots of things that can set that off at
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least with and I can name them now at least with Siri and Google you can't just say the
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word you have to add a little greeting kind of word on the front of it and it's that two-word
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phrase that triggers it and that's the way to do it so you know if Amazon wanted to make
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it like "Hey computer" or "Hello computer" like "Scottie and Star Trek 4" or "Okay computer"
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which would be very Radiohead, I would like that. That would all be good. I think Amazon
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actually needs to provide that as an option for all of their triggers is some phrase that
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is not just a name. I think that was a mistake when they did it. And at least as an option,
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right? I mean, and again, the more options you've got here, the better, I think, in letting
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people kind of customise for how they, you know, who they are and what their names are and how they
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live their life. But I think I, yeah, yeah, it's weird though, because that's like a noun.
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- Yeah. Well, James Thompson in the chat room has said that the PlayStation 4 uses the term
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PlayStation to trigger its voice control. And I think that Xbox did Xbox, which was the problem
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with that ad that we spoke about.
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- Yeah, exactly.
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- That's terrible.
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I mean, as I say, I still stand by the fact
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that I think that Amazon got it right by giving it a name,
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like which was different to the product name.
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But I do agree with you that it would be good
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to have the two step, like two word phrase.
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I prefer single word phrases because if you're talking
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to this thing all the time, it's just nicer
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to have the one word.
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But I do agree it would be good
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to have the choice of things.
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And if Amazon seemed to be willing to add new wake words,
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I don't think that this would be too difficult
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as a thing to add.
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- Right, and the dream is that you should be able
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to give it whatever wake phrase that you want,
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but it's not, the technology is not good enough
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to do that yet.
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Many weeks ago, someone wrote in,
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I think their name was Steve,
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and they were talking about having the larger
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of the Apple TVs, you know, just like the 64,
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I think, was it like 32 and 64, or is it 64 and 128?
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I think it's 32 and 64, but I don't really know because it's never mattered.
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Yeah, so there was a 32GB Apple TV and a 64GB Apple TV, and he wrote in kind of questioning
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what that would be used for and if he was future-proofing himself, that kind of thing.
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And at the time, this was, you know, maybe towards the end of last year, we kind of said,
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"No, there is absolutely no point in having the larger of the two Apple TVs."
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This has now potentially changed over the last few days.
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I think Taylor last week, Apple announced to the developer portal that they are increasing
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the size limit available for a downloaded application from 200 megabytes to 4 gigabytes,
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which is a significant change. We've also now on demand resources. So these are the resources
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that can download when you need them, which is great, can be 20 gigabytes. So it was 200
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for when it's downloaded as opposed to downloading a small subset and then needing to immediately
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dip into the 20 gigabytes of on demand resources.
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I don't know why Apple have done this specifically.
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I think that there is a reason that they have done it.
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Like there is maybe a partner that they want to work with, because it's such a huge increase.
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It feels like that there is a reason behind it.
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Which do you know what I mean?
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200 megabytes to 4 gigabytes is extremely significant as a change.
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Yeah, it's gotta be that there's somebody, either they got feedback from some existing
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partners or there's somebody who is coming that they're like, "Okay, we can do that for
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you." They're being more vigilant about storage. Or, I guess you could also argue that another
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Another factor may be that they're looking at the uptake of apps on Apple TV and realizing
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that being quite that diligent at minding the storage space on these devices and being
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concerned that everybody's apps are going to crowd the space, they may realize now that
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that's just not happening and that they can loosen that and it's not a problem.
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But whatever it is, this does make it a bit more viable for games.
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I just hope that Apple is able to do something to try and lure people in because we're going
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to talk about this a little later on in the show. The Apple TV app landscape is barren
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at best right now.
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So I will also, we'll put a link in the show notes to speaking of friend of the show, Joe
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Steele, he wrote a blog post that includes both his analysis of the change in resource
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caps and some what he likes to call rampant speculation about the Apple TV and Joe's theory
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is that one of the things that they're going to do is that there's a new Apple TV coming
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and maybe this is the 4K UHD HDR capable fancier model and it might be you know his his theory
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here is allows them to drop the old Apple TV out of the price list move the current
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generation down a slot and then bring in a couple new models with more storage
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and support for UHD on top. So the 4K Apple TV version, maybe that's
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something there. There are things about about size. I mean what Joe
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suggests is maybe they actually will offer a first-party controller. I think
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that's an interesting theory. I think one of the problems with games on Apple TV, I
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I know they promote the Steelcase controller, right?
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But it's not quite the same.
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- They have a couple that they promote.
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But see, the thing is about the controller,
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and I've made this argument in the past,
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it doesn't matter how good a third-party controller is,
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to show you are serious about games,
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you have to make one yourself.
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Like, that is a commitment
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to the seriousness of video games, right?
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Which is, we believe in this and our platform so much
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that we've put the engineering time
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into booting our own controller.
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Like it is a sign which is important.
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- Yeah, friend of the show, Joe Steele reminds us
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that friend of the show, James Thompson,
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is the one who originated that theory, by the way.
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And then Joe just blogified it and expanded upon it.
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But I don't know, I mean,
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one of the interesting things about Apple TV,
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like you were saying too, is a lot of potential here, right?
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And it's just not, you know,
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Apple has been very limited in what it's doing.
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So if it supported, you know, 4K,
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And what if Apple did make an actual game controller
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and was more aggressive in getting games built for it?
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And there are lots of things they could try,
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lots of things they could try,
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and they haven't really tried a lot of them yet.
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So maybe, and maybe this is a sign
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that there's movement happening on the Apple TV front
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that is, maybe this is happening out in front
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of other changes.
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I don't know.
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- We'll see.
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We also got some follow up about 5K displays. Now this is a conversation that has been long
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running on this show as to what devices could and could not power these 5K displays, what
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dongles would be needed, etc. And we had somebody who wrote in the US to be kept anonymous,
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they're an Apple retail employee, and they sent us an image about how they are being
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instructed to swap out existing displays for Mac Pros for the new 5K display. And he's
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included or she is included the picture of the dongles that is yeah and the
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cables that happening here now correct me if I'm wrong but what we're seeing is
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a thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 2 adapter, Thunderbolt 2 cable running to a Mac Pro
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and it's working with the 5k display right?
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yeah this is the how do you demo the fancy 5k display and the Mac Pro instead
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of the old Thunderbolt display which has been discontinued and the answer is you
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use a Thunderbolt 2 to Thunderbolt 3 adapter and then the Thunderbolt 3
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adapter goes into the display and that works although I believe it doesn't work
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at 5k 60 hertz I think it may be only works at maybe 4k resolution at 60 hertz
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I'm not sure about the all the details it's not ideal but it does allow them to
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to demo it in Apple stores. And I think it's also funny that we think of display out as
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mini display port, but in this case, since it's actually taking the, what this monitor
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wants is Thunderbolt, you need to use a Thunderbolt adapter. And then it does apparently work.
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And this person, I don't actually know for sure if it is a man or a woman, but this person,
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it's another friend of the show, let's say, a listener, an upgrade sent this in and had
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telling us that this was kind of going on in the background about how they were going
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to demo this stuff with the Mac Pro. And this is the solution and we got a photo of it sort
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of like zip-tied together, this whole kind of adapter dance to get it to work at all.
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I think it's kind of a miracle that it works at all, that you can attach that Mac Pro to
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that thing and it will drive it at all, quite frankly.
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Yeah, I mean, again, this isn't like a groundbreaking thing, but it's kind of tying up a loose end
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that we weren't sure about, right? Which was, will this thing actually work? And the answer
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is yeah, it will. So at least we know now. I'll put a link to the photo in the show notes
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in case you're so inclined to want to check those things.
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It is fascinating to me from the perspective of real world consequences of Apple's product
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decisions. Like, Apple makes product decisions and we can say, "Oh, well that was interesting,
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I understand why they did that. And then the fallout tends to be that the users have to
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deal with the fallout, right? But with Apple retail, Apple retail has to also deal with
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the fallout of weird things happening with Apple's product line. And this is a good example
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of that where they've got Mac Pros that are three years old, but they've got demo stations
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with them that were set up with a Thunderbolt display, but the Thunderbolt display got discontinued.
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So now what do they do? And it's like, well, the 5K display, we want to display that. It's
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beautiful. Okay, we can do that, but we can't really do that. So how do we, you know, we
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adapt it and all of that. It's just a kind of a funny example where people who work for
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Apple have to deal with fallout from Apple product decisions in a way that maybe, you
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know, the people who are on the Apple campus in Cupertino don't have to deal with it.
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I just used a workflow, a new workflow that I created for that image to remove photo metadata.
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Oh, nice. So, I also included a link to that workflow in the show notes because why not?
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But yeah, that was one that I worked on recently.
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You just throw some photos at it and it will remove the metadata from them because I figured
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this person wanted to remain anonymous and I would do my best to accommodate that.
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So thank you anonymous listener.
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We'll call them the upgrade tipster.
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I'm looking at two weeks out and my options are pesto shrimp, pimento cheeseburgers, spinach
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and sweet potato quesadillas, and cashew chicken stir-fry.
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We can't talk about this anymore.
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It's like, I want all four. Can I have all four of those? And the answer is no, I need
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to pick two. But what a choice I have to make there.
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We're recording a little later than usual today and I haven't had my daily answer.
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You a little hungry?
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We can't talk about this anymore.
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I haven't had my lunch either, so yeah.
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Just a little topic we want to touch on very quickly, because it's big news, but it maybe
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doesn't affect me and Jason so closely, which is the departure of Chris Latner from Apple.
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Now I will say right now, if you are at all interested in this and have not listened to
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this week's three-time upgradey award-winning podcast, the Accidental Tech Podcast, you
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should go listen to Episode 204.
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They go into a lot of detail explaining why Chris is important and what this could mean
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for Apple and for the community of developers that are tied to Apple, right?
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All right, I haven't listened to that one yet. Should I go listen to that now and then
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come back? Yeah, you go take two hours and then I'll
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keep going and then I'll see you at the end. Just keep talking. Just yeah, keep it, keep
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the ball rolling while I'm gone and then I'll come back and tell you what I think about
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ATP at the end of it. We're not developers either, you and I. We are people who think
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about, write about, talk about technical things for Apple products and other stuff, but we're
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We are product-focused. We are the product-focused part of Apple kind of observing, whilst those
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guys are more cody.
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Yeah, I'm not gonna have a relationship with Swift and with Clang and LLVM that a developer
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that Chris created basically. Most notably today he's the creator of Swift.
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Yeah, he was sort of the first person working on Swift as it gained momentum and then, you
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know, obviously all of these things have large numbers of people involved and that's something
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that several people, including Chris Latner, said after it came out that he was leaving
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that like there are lots of people working on this, it's not just him, you know, it's
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not, he said it's not a problem. And in fact he's still going to, because a lot of this
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is open source project stuff he's going to keep his hand in. But he is leaving Apple
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and going to work at Tesla to work on, I believe they said, the software involved in the autopilot.
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Yeah, he's going to become the SVP for the autopilot team.
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Yeah, so first off, that's a pretty great step for him career-wise, and he's been at
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Apple a long time. I think, you know, again, people should listen to ATP if they want to
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hear those guys' perspective on it, because I think that's got to be – I'm looking
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forward to doing that when I walk the dog later, probably. But I do think it's worth
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mentioning it, because this is an interesting example, and there was somebody else who left
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Apple for Tesla this week who's actually one of – this guy Matt Casebolt, who worked,
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apparently, on the MacBook Pro, the new MacBook Pro that came out.
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he was also the leader the MacPro team. The trash can MacPro, right? So I think there's
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a bigger question we talked about before about brain drain at Apple and my first thought
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and I read a Ben Thompson at Stratechery wrote a piece last week about I think just on his
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email, I think not a public piece about this issue and he said you know there is the reality
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of the fact that Apple is a company where you're maintaining incredibly profitable products,
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and Tesla is a company where they are trying to build new things. And you know, you can
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oversimplify that and overstate that because Apple's trying to do new things, the AirPods
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are a good example of something that's very different, the Touch Bar is an example of
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something that's got a lot of interesting things in it, but Apple as a company is a mature,
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successful, incredibly profitable company that wants to keep raking in the profits.
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And Tesla is a new company that's trying to do things in a category that's new.
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And what I'm saying is that I think for some people, the opportunity, I mean, everybody's
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got different career goals and everybody has a different mindset when they're thinking about
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their job. But I think for some people, the opportunity to do something like work at Tesla
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on that new stuff is going to be more appealing than kind of working within a large Apple
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that is maintaining a customer base and a code base and trying to keep everything running.
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It's a very different kind of environment.
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And I could see how for some people, they feel like the job's done at Apple in some
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ways and that there's this exciting new adventure to have at Tesla or other companies
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like that and that that's why they step out on their own.
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And I think that's a challenge for Apple is, and this is something that I know we've talked
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about before too when we talked about Project Titan, the idea of doing an Apple car, it's
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like you've also got a challenge of keeping your talented people at Apple.
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If they want new challenges, you could put them on your new projects at Apple in order
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to keep them, but even then the same thing has happened, which is the key products that
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you have, that you do make money from, that you want to keep making money from, the iPhone,
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the iPad, the Mac, the Apple TV, the Apple Watch, all of these things, there still is
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the potential for a brain drain, because even if you're just moving them within Apple
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to special projects, you're moving them off of what they were working on before.
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So I do think, I don't think it's like the number one challenge facing Apple, but
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I think it's got to be a challenge. And when you see two high-profile Apple people
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who are responsible for building important parts of Apple's product foundation leaving
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to go to Tesla, which is also really interesting, right, because they make cars, although, you
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know what, they told us that cars are the ultimate mobile device, so I guess we should
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listen. It's enough to make you notice and wonder what, you know, what the processes
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are behind that.
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Yeah, like, we've been talking so much recently about what the future of technology is, right,
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and what Apple could potentially do for growth, and, you know, we've spoken about VR and
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that kind of stuff, but car tech and self-driving tech
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is another strand of technology,
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which isn't personal computing,
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but is a strand of technology,
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which is one of the things in our current purview
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that could be the future, right?
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Like it's one of the things
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that a lot of companies are taking bets on
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because they believe it could be the future,
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including Apple.
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But the company right now who is leading that charge
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And if you're interested in working
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in the future of technology, they are a company to move to.
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And one of the things that, you know,
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I was talking to Marco Almond about his Tesla on our trip.
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And one of the things that he kept mentioning to me
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was that how interesting a car it was,
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because they were not held back
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by an existing infrastructure of building a car, right?
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- Yeah. - So everything was new.
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And this is the same for Apple.
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Apple already has an institutional way
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of building products.
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- Even though it's a car,
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it's still gonna be built in the Apple way.
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And if you're bored of that,
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it doesn't matter what they move you to,
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it's still gonna be the Apple way of doing it, right?
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Like bugs for the car will go through radar, right?
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Like all of this stuff is just their institutional way
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of building products.
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And if you don't wanna do that anymore,
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like just moving to a different team is not new.
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And so I don't, I can't reconcile in my head
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if this is an Apple problem or just a people problem,
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which Apple could never fix.
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But I can't work it out in my head as to whether it's like,
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do people just want to work on new things
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or do people want to get away
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from Apple's way of making things?
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And I think it could be a little column A,
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a little column B,
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but it doesn't mean that Apple is bullied.
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It just means that they're like,
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But a lot of these people that came into this company maybe joined when Apple is a little
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bit more of the scrappy underdog.
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Maybe a lot of people don't like that.
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They're like the biggest company in the world right now because that brings a lot of baggage.
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And I can see why people might want to move to Tesla who are the scrappy underdog in their
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world in the car world.
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I think the car thing, it's also important to say there are lots of other companies that
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are working on car tech.
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The difference is what you said, which is they're car companies. They're old car companies.
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And they may be trying, "Oh, no, but we've got this new division and we put a team together
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in Silicon Valley." But in the end, you're still working for Ford or Nissan or whoever
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you're working for. In the end, you are not working. And if you're a Silicon Valley person
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like Tesla, my impression is, is run much more in a more familiar fashion. It's a Silicon
00:27:36
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Valley company that makes cars. It's not a car company that's got an outpost in Silicon
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Valley. I think the larger issue for Apple, yeah, is these are -- you're looking for
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very talented, highly technical people who should be thinking like Apple is like the
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ultimate job for them. But the problem is there are lots of really interesting companies
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in Silicon Valley, so there's a lot of competition for that sort of talent. I do wonder sometimes,
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and we've already seen it with how Tim Cook has reversed a lot of the things that were
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going on in the Steve Jobs era where it was like, "No, no, it needs to happen in Cupertino."
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It's like, you can't do that anymore. You can't make everybody move to Cupertino, and
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they're not doing that. They've got centers in lots of different places in the world now,
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and they have to keep doing that too because they need more talent, and they're not going
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to get all of their talent to move to the mothership. They're going to have to be in
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other places. I do wonder sometimes about the corporate culture at Apple too, and I've
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I've heard lots of different things. I've talked to a lot of people. You know, obviously
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the people who work at Apple are a lot more circumspect about this than people who have
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left Apple or have never been to Apple. But the impression I get is Apple is still kind
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of a hard place to work, especially if you're in these product groups. And that, you know,
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you're expected to devote your life to Apple. And a lot of Silicon Valley companies are
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like that but you know. Yeah I don't think that that is a unique thing to them. I mean
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not every sort of company will work that way but I would expect Google is the same and
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Microsoft is the same. Yeah but not every company is like that and I guess what I'm
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saying is there is a time when you can afford to work your employees to death and or to
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near death and you can afford to make them all move to California and you can afford
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to put them on projects that are not the hottest and most cutting-edge products, but hey, they're
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working at Apple and that should be enough. Yes, you're working on the Apple TV, but you're
00:29:42
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at Apple and you're in California and that should be enough. And I think it may be that
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Apple is not at that point anymore, where it needs to be, and I think you see it with
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the geographic diversity, for example, that it needs to open things up a little bit, because
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you don't want to do is make Apple a place where the best and brightest don't want to
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work. But it's a challenge, right? Because I've said this before, I know I did it a couple
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of years ago, and I'll say it again, with no malice toward some of my former colleagues
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at all, but when I was hiring people to work at PC World, it was very hard, especially
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junior people, it was very hard to find people. And you're like, "Oh, well journalism and
00:30:27
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in tech journalism, everybody wants to get a leg up in tech journalism, right? There's
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so many people out there, it's such a tough business to be in. We had a very hard time
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hiring people for PC World. Why was that? It's like, it was not perceived as a good
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career move to write about Microsoft and PCs, like that was considered old tech. I could
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get a whole lot of senior level people who've been covering PCs for decades who wanted to
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work at PC World. But in terms of junior level, entry level people, it was very hard to find
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people with that level of experience.
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They were applying to Macworld, right?
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They didn't, yeah, they wanted to be at Macworld or TechHive or they were going to work at
00:31:01
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Engadget or Gizmodo or CNET or The Verge or something like that, right?
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There was kind of a hierarchy of how excited people were about it, but PCWorld was not
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on the list.
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And we found some great people who were legitimately enthusiastic.
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It's not like you can't find them, but it's way harder to do it.
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And I think about that sometimes when I think about Apple and saying, "Hey, we want you
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to work on the Mac, which is our fourth priority here. You want to get somebody who either
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says, "Hey, I'm working at Apple. This is a good place to start. We'll see where we
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go from here." Or they say, "I love the Mac. It doesn't matter to me that you guys are
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working on the iPhone. Let me add it. I want to do that." I think the problem is that you're
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not going to get as many people who are going to say, "I love the Mac. Let me add it." And
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they're rather going to say, "Do I really want to specialize in the Mac? I hear it's
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kind of fading away. I really don't want to take that job. I want to take this other job."
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So you know, it's a challenge running a big company and dealing with talented people and
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trying to recruit people. So that, I think, as an outsider, I look at it and I'm like,
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"Wow, what an incredible job it must be, and incredibly hard job it must be, for hiring
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at Apple in general, and in Silicon Valley in general, I would say." Because you do have
00:32:14
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such competition and you're trying to make these people happy. And you can pay them well,
00:32:20
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but the problem is everybody else can pay them well too. So just paying them well is
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not enough. You have to pay them well and you have to make them feel like they're
00:32:27
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doing something that furthers their career and keeps them interested. And everybody else
00:32:32
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is trying to do that too. And it's a hard problem. And when the person who created the
00:32:38
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language that you're basing the future of your platforms on leaves your company to go
00:32:44
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work at essentially a competitor. Before it's considered to be complete. Yeah, even if it's
00:32:50
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all above board and this really is like Chris Latner wants to make a change that's better
00:32:56
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for his family, that's better for his career, he feels like there are no more mountains
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to climb at Apple and he wants to move on to something else, even if that's all true,
00:33:08
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still really hard to swallow if you're Apple and you can't look at it any other way. This
00:33:14
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is a key person building key technology who decided for whatever reason that the grass
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was greener somewhere else. And that's tough because for every Chris Latner, there are
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a whole bunch of other people who are not as visible who are in exactly the same sorts
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of situations. And not just Apple, every tech company, but it's just, it's tough. It's
00:33:38
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All right, moving on. For the second year in a row, you have conducted the Six Colors
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Report Card of Apple's year. Can you explain a little bit about what this project is and
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why you began it?
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Yeah, so a year and a half ago maybe I got an email from somebody who, well it was it was
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Koivin, the designer who I think works at Adobe now, anyway saying I had this idea and I've never
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done it, maybe you could do it now that you're doing six colors and it is ask a bunch of people
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who comment on Apple to give to give Apple a grade at the end of the year, like what do they do well,
00:34:21
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well, what did they do poorly? I think this would be cool and I'd like somebody to do
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it and if you think you can do it, then I'll stop going to other people and asking them
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if they would do it." And I said, "Sure, that sounds like a great idea." And four
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or five months pass and it's November of 2015 and I do a survey and I email a couple
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dozen people and do a report card about Apple. And so this year was the second year, second
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annual Myke, second annual.
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Myke: I did think about saying that.
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Chris: And I was able to, I expanded the panel, I asked more people and in the end sort of
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like the people who responded are the people who are on the panel, but I did ask a larger
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group, I think it was almost 50 people I asked and I got three dozen responses, to grade
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Apple on a 1 to 5 scale and also leave any comments they had. And the comments were really
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voluminous and thoughtful, and so I quoted them at length this year and even had a link
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to all of their verbatim comments because some people wrote a whole lot of stuff. And
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I thought it was interesting in just getting a read. Again, it doesn't mean anything
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on one level. The grades and the scores are arbitrary, although a lot of stuff gets washed
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out by averaging out 37 scores. You kind of get an idea of the general vibe of the group.
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And I got to compare it with the votes last year, which was also really interesting because
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we got to see for the first time how the scores changed from year to year.
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Now you sent me the report card, but I told you that I wasn't going to complete it because
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I wanted to give my scores on the show instead. So what we're going to do today is I want
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to break down, I want to go through basically all of the topics and all the categories.
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And I've pulled out some quotes that I think are interesting, so I want to talk through
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some of those and then I'll give my scores as well. I know that you are, you're kind
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of standing back from all of this as the overseer, the adjudicator.
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Yeah, that was my that was sort of my goal was to get everybody else's scores and comment
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on them sort of like round them up but not participate so I didn't vote.
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So this year we start with the Mac. The Mac was scored a C- with an average score of 2.6
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a median score of 3. This is down from last year where it was scored a B overall. John
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Councillor O'Keele says the Mac was neglected. A horrid year says Rob Griffiths. Hardware
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wise 2016 was an awful year for the Mac says John Gruber. But Casey Liss, our lovely friend
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Casey Liss who believes the situation isn't as bad as everyone thinks says that he thinks
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some of the angst is overblown. Now my score for the Mac this year, I think I'm going to
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give it a two out of five. Now I do not believe that the future of the Mac is as bleak as
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I think that I made a prediction on connected that I will stand by that.
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I don't think that the Mac Pro will exist next year in the way that we know it to, but
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I feel that there is a chance that Apple make a significantly more powerful iMac to take
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So I think that all of – my personal belief is that next year everybody will be served
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by something.
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But that –
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So you mean this year?
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This year, sorry.
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In 2017, there will be a brighter future for the Mac,
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but 2016 was a terrible year of Mac product releases.
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- There were very few, there were many drawbacks,
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and the prices were too high.
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Too many products were left basically
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to just die on the vine,
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and the replacements kind of weren't sufficient.
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So, you know, the fact that there were releases
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got it a point, you know?
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So like, I'm gonna give it a two out of five,
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which I think is fair.
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Because I would say the MacBook that I bought, I really, really, really, really like it a
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lot, but I know that it's my very specific needs for it.
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So I can't use that as my overall grading because I know that most people do not find
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the MacBook to be a sufficient replacement for any type of computer for them because
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it's underpowered.
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The—a lot of the comments that I got were about the MacBook, although it was just a
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small update that you know it was there the macbook pro updates although controversial a lot
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of people have you know used them and like them or like things about them and there were a lot of
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positive again nothing was universally positive or negative everything that i found a positive
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comment about i found a negative comment about almost other than like apple's commitment to
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privacy but other than that um everything was kind of split so um i will say that i was surprised at
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the number of people who said who cited Sierra as an example of positivity on the Mac that they
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thought that that was also part of the sort of like among the good things Apple did this year
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that they thought that was a fairly gentle software update and that they they said positive things
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about it. I thought that was interesting. There are other comments about it too that especially
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came back in the software section. I think two is a fair score. It was a bad year for the Mac.
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Almost nothing got updated. I think you know the median score was a three. Most of the scores were
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were a 3 because that's the medium, but 2s were very common as well and the average
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was a 2.6. So yeah, it was what I called a C-. It could have easily been, I suppose,
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a D+ kind of thing in terms of a grade point average. But last year, the Mac got a B. Last
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year people were feeling pretty good about the Mac and this year, they were not. Big
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surprise there, they were not.
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Move on to the iPhone.
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The iPhone this year was graded a B+ or an A-, an average and median score of 4.
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Last year it was graded an A. It is still in the scorecard, the best performing category.
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Marco Almond said the iPhone SE was unexpectedly great.
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I think people forgot that the SE was this year.
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I think that might have been boosted the scores further.
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Like a very long time ago.
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I know it was.
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The 7 and 7 Plus mostly overcame their seemingly pointless headphone jack removal with substantial
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camera upgrades, small but welcome battery improvements and surprisingly compelling new
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black finishes.
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Christina Warren said we definitely need the major redesign to happen in 2017.
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Apple can't count on its biggest competition blowing up upon itself two years in a row."
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I loved that comment.
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Yeah, she went on in a verbatim, she goes on in a lot more detail, but basically it's
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like Apple, what she said was, "Apple really dodged a bullet here."
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The Galaxy Note 7 actually looked fantastic, like the best phone, and it blew up.
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Like literally caught on fire to the point where it is now a joke.
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and like we said, worst product of the year. And what she says is, that was really lucky
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for Apple to have this year where they kind of did a third iteration of the iPhone 6 in
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large part, and they got away with it in part because their toughest competition basically
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fell on their face. But that's not going to happen again, and Apple can't count on
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that. So, game on for 2017. I thought that was a solid piece of analysis.
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I'm going to score the iPhone a 3.5.
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You don't get to do that.
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Pick 3 or 4, Myke.
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Pick 3 or 4.
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Now, I would mostly expect the iPhone to hit a 4 on this scale every year.
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I think that in recent memory, I would have graded all iPhones a 4.
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That's where I would have gone.
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is to hit a 5 out of 5 in today's market in the iPhone would be a serious jump that I
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think is unfair for us to predict or desire from the company. For them to make the perfect
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iPhone or to make such a jump that it would go up to a 5 I think is unrealistic because
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of the age of the iPhone and the revision of the iPhone. Like the original iPhone was
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a five out of five, right? Because it was such a huge jump.
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It was the difference between rating a product and rating Apple's performance in the product
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category. I think if Apple revised all the iPhones in 2017 and there was a brand new
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industrial design and the SE got a new design that was cutting edge, I can see scenarios
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where I would give the iPhone a five out of five still if they did everything and there
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was a major release. But you're right, it's a hard standard. Not a lot of fives, not a
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lot of ones right in in reality most people are going to you know five-point
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rating system we're going to give a two three or a four yeah the median score
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for the iPhone was a four it went down slightly and I think that was sort of
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headphone jack and not not big changes kind of stuff but it's still a very good
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score because Apple does a good job I just can't give a four to the seven I
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just I just can't I got it you know I left for three left over so I got a lot
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great features, we all got a lot of great features, but I said this before, they took things away and
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it doesn't seem to add any immediate benefit. There is no benefit for the headphone jack being
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removed. There just isn't. We were in Hawaii, I was very clever. I brought my little mini plug and
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the adapter for the iPhone 7, knowing that we would have a rental car that probably would have
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an aux jack in it and we could use that to listen to music while we were driving around the island.
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And I also brought out of our car, I brought the power adapter for the car power adapter.
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And I plugged them both in and we were headed to our destination and I realized,
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"Oh, I can't use both of these." So we listened to music for a while while we were running the GPS
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and then I was worried about the battery so then we stopped listening to music and I charged it.
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And I just had that moment of like, "Oh, there's the iPhone 7 for you. I can't do both of these
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things with my readily available connectors. I would need to buy some other adapter for
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this very specific use case and so I just didn't and it was just one of those things.
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It's like most of the time it doesn't really bother me but then every now and then I go
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I want to just compare that to the MacBook Pro real quick because there are a lot of
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the same frustrations there right like they took all of the ports away that we were used
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to and they replaced them so like every now and then you'll run into a scenario where
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like you need a charger and you don't have the charger you only have the old chargers or you
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have an sd card you don't have an adapter that kind of thing so it's frustrating but there is
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an argument to be made that USB-C will be better than what we had before right and that it's just
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going to take a little bit of time there is no argument to be made about the removal of the
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headphone jack in that same way like they're just i just can't see one it's like oh but lightning
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will be better in the future. No, Bluetooth already existed. Removing the headphone jack
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did nothing for Bluetooth. The removal of the headphone jack is just a negative. There
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is no reposit to it. I just can't see one. And for that reason, this time, I will knock
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the iPhone for it. Next time, I'm not going to because it's just where we are. But I think
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for this phone, for me, I've, over the time, I'm not angry about it anymore, but I just
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can't objectively say that the 7 was better than the 6 in every single way because it
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introduced a new thing which was weird stuff which we never had before. So 3 for me.
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Plus you know, I want a new design, I just want one. I can't help it.
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Let's move to the iPad though because I think I'm more positive than most people I think
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in this. The iPad was graded at B-, an average score of 3.4, a median score of 3 with last
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year at a B+ so it went down a tad. Marco says again "The release of the 9.7"
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iPad Pro is absolutely stellar, providing a huge upgrade of no downsides to the mainstream
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iPad that's ideal for nearly everyone." An important person to comment on this would
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be Federico Fatici and Federico said "Apple had little to show for iPad users in iOS 10,
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and while the 9.7" iPad Pro is loved by many people I know, I don't use it and I still
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think the bigger pro is better suited for my work.
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Sean Blonge said "My next MacBook will be an iPad Pro"
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David Sparks said "Having used an iPad as a laptop replacement for several months, it
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feels like the hardware is there but the software still lags behind. iOS limitations with simple
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things like saving multiple files needs to be addressed for the platform to move forward."
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Renee Ritchie of iMore said "While Apple is finding its groove with technology like
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the Apple Pencil and the Smart Keyboard case, they're still not telling a compelling story.
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I don't agree with that from Rene, actually.
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I think it's really interesting that he thinks that the story of the iPad is part of the
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It is very peculiar for me and Rene to sit on opposite sides of something like this.
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I feel like I'm one of the only people that loved the supercomputer advertising campaign
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for the iPad Pro but I think that that package, the pencil, the smart keyboard and the iPad
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is the ultimate computer in my mind for the vast majority of people that need a computer.
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So I am scoring the iPad 4 so I'm going to be scoring higher than the average because
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the 9.7 inch iPad Pro may be my favourite computer of all time.
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When paired in the configuration I have it with the Apple Pencil and Logitech Create
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keyboard, even with the Smart keyboard though, I struggle to prefer any device more than
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I love my 12.9 but the 9.7 is better in more scenarios than the 12.9.
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I was just travelling over the weekend and I had my 9.7 with me and I was working on
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The 12.9 on the train that I was on, it would have been too cramped.
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I wouldn't have really had enough space for it on the tray table but the 9.7 fits perfectly.
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I love it. Now the only thing that was holding me back, because I would have given it a 5
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this year because I think the iPad took such a jump in hardware performance in 2016 with
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the 9.7 Pro which I think took everything that the 12.9 had and made it better. The
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"Oh gosh, that screen!" You know, with the True Tone, it's just incredible. But the
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poor performance on iOS for the iPad this year held it back for me. The fact that all
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the iPad got was a version of, and in some cases a half-baked version of what the iPhone
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got is not enough. And I have hope for 2017. You know, I'm still holding out for the
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Spring event to bring fantastic new iPads as well as new great advancements
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of software but I have to grade 2016 a little lower than I would have wanted to.
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Yeah I think that's the challenge of of constraining to a calendar year is we
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also don't get to pick up you know that the 10.9 inch iPad Pro or 12.9 inch iPad
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Pro was last year was was was 15 not 16 so you can't you can't calculate that
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into it. I think it's fair to ding Apple both years, but you know now we didn't
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know about the iPad Pro in 2015 when the first iPad Pro came out, but now that we
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we've seen it and in 2016 the 9.7 came out, you've got to ding it also ding
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Apple for being so inconsistent with that product that the two iPad Pros are
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both like different in a bunch of different ways. There's no top-of-the-line
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line iPad. I'm hoping again for 2017 that we'll get two new versions of the iPad
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Pro at least and that they will be synced up on features like the True Tone
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display for one and USB 3 data transfer speeds and fast charging for another but
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right now they're kind of like you know you can pick your poison and I like that
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9.7 inch iPad Pro but I wasn't it wasn't I didn't switch to it right like I I'm
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very happy with the larger iPad Pro myself, although the 9.7 has a lot going
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for it and I think is a much more mainstream product. In the end, I agree
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with you. It comes down to the software. iOS 10 didn't do anything for the iPad,
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essentially, and you know, a couple of minor features, but there are glaring
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problems with the iPad features introduced in iOS 9 that weren't
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touched in iOS 10, and we can be hopeful for a 10.3 or whatever that addresses
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them, but that's going to be 2017, so it doesn't count.
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I also believe if you're hoping for consistency and clarity in the iPad line in the spring,
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I think it's going to get worse, honestly.
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But by getting worse will make the overall product line better.
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This 10.9-inch iPad, I am very – I will use a Tim Cook term – very bullish on that
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thing existing.
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But that will confuse the line more.
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Well, if there are more options in the line, I do think that could be fine for the product
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line. My challenge is if you've got three iPad Pros and all of them have
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slightly different feature sets, that's weird. Now it may be that we end up with
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a 12.9 and the 9.7 in sync and then this other one that's out of sync, but I
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would hope they all have true tone displays. I would hope that they all have
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USB 3.0 speed if, you know, if they don't go to some weird new USB whatever or, you
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I don't even know what they're going to do, but I would hope that they would sync as much
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of that as possible so we just know this is what an iPad Pro does instead of now where
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it's like a little bit here and a little bit there.
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So move on to the Apple Watch, which was graded a B with an average score of 3.7 and a median
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score of 3 up on last year where it was graded a C. Dan Morin said, "It's a testament to
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2016 as a weird year when the Apple Watch is one of the bright spots in the company's
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Fraser Spears went on to say that watchOS 3 essentially delivered a whole new watch.
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I'm going to go out on a weird limb here I think and go over 4 for the Apple Watch for
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The watch still has a way to go, but Apple delivered more than I was asking for and expected
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in 2016 from the Apple Watch which is why I've gone as high as I've gone.
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They made some fundamental changes to watchOS that made it more usable which clearly gave
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us the indication that the engineers spent time reworking after finding the pain points.
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Right, like it was so obvious that watchOS 3 was a response to living with the watch
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in its, in its like, in its original form.
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There were so many things that were improved by it and the series 2 watch which I do own
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now, I don't know if I mentioned it on this show, I've had one for a couple of months
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because I had some issues with my Series 1 watch which was 100% caused by me. The screen
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is fantastic. The battery life is nothing short of remarkable and everything, everything
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feels even more snappy on the Series 2. So the pairing of the watch Series 2 and OS 3
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it a significantly better product than the Apple Watch Series 1 running at OS/2. So I'm
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going to go with 4 on that.
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Yeah, well it's, I mean, it is a, the median score was a 3 but there are a huge number
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of 4s and 5s that came in because the average score is very high and I would say this was
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a very popular category. It was the highest gainer among Apple product categories in the
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survey. And you know, Dan's quote really says it all that people were in a weird year.
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People were really happy about what happened to the Apple watch this year. And the answer
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is new hardware and a really great operating system update that affected every model. And
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That's that watchOS 3 is, you know, again, we can say the OS they should have shipped
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on the watch, but they shipped the watch without it and they learned.
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And watchOS 3 is exactly what it should have been all along, but they needed to learn.
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And we, you know, we could have told them, I think maybe on day one, like, "Oh, that
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is not the way you want to use that button on that watch."
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But they had to learn their lesson and they did and they fixed it.
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And so, yeah, I think it's a good story.
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much more to do. Christina Warren made some comments in the survey that were very much
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like this is not a category I think that is what anybody thought it would be and it's
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proved to be a lot harder than people thought and a lot of companies are kind of falling
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apart here. Apple is persevering and making their product better and focusing it more
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and that's what more can you ask for.
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And then the last of Apple's own made hardware will be the Apple TV which was graded a C-
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this year with an average score of 2.7 and a median score of 3 down from last year where
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it was graded a B.
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John Gruber said "I don't expect new hardware every year but I think the content situation
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needs to improve and it didn't in 2016."
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Marco Ahmet said Apple TV has effectively stood still in 2016 despite needing significant
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attention in UI, remote design, performance, bugs and reliability.
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John Siracusa says that the Apple TV is more expensive and less capable than its competitors.
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Katie Floyd said Apple just can't seem to bring the content deals together to make the
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Apple TV my primary box.
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I'm going to score the Apple TV a 2 out of 5.
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I like my Apple TV and use it most days when I have a TV.
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I currently do not have a TV in our front room,
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but when we get one in the next couple of weeks,
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the Apple TV will be hooked up to it
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and it will be the main way that we consume television.
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But our television consists of about three applications
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which exist on other connected TV boxes.
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The Apple TV doesn't provide anything different
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or competitive for me that I can't get from any other device
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and they have, and Apple have not unveiled anything in 2016
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that has markedly improved my experience.
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If you're a cable customer and use one of the very few
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services that have signed on for their single sign on,
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it might be an improvement for you.
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But Apple has done nothing.
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Even just basic content deals will not improve my experience
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But there are just problems with navigation,
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I have bugs in applications,
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there is nothing to make my experience any better,
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but it doesn't mean I have any different feelings
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about the product.
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But the Apple TV for me is like,
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it's effectively just a dumb box,
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which I can get Netflix and YouTube through.
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- And there are much cheaper dumb boxes out there
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that work just as well.
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And the only thing it really does,
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I mean, if you're an Apple user,
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The reason that you buy an Apple TV and not a Roku or a Fire TV or something like that
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is one, you've got existing movies that you bought on iTunes and this is the only
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way to get them, or two, you need to do AirPlay and this is the only way to do that.
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I mean, there are AirPlay apps for other platforms, but they're really not—I don't recommend
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So I just got a Fire Stick.
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two of those. I was away this weekend and needed to watch something in a hotel room. It's a long
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story, it's not worth getting into. And the easiest thing to do is just to pick up a fire stick from
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for a local store. I don't really like the UI, the fire stick, any of the fire, like I don't know if
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there's like differences, like we didn't get the fire TV, I got the stick and it's not the one that
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has the voice remote, like I don't know, I just bought one, I don't know. I just got what was
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available. The UI is not very great, but frankly it has the three apps that I'm looking for
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plus Amazon's stuff. So I mean I'm going to connect both of these things, but it might
01:02:12
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be that for me we may use the Amazon one more because it's the one thing that has everything
01:02:18
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Yeah, it's right, and you mentioned Amazon. Amazon is not on the Apple TV, so you have
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to airplay that if you want to get Amazon stuff on your TV through an Apple TV. And
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You know, I think I think this this one took as big a fall as the Mac did and it's not
01:02:32
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surprising right there's no hardware updates here. There's no relevant software updates
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here. It was already kind of behind when it shipped. I mean remember we thought it was
01:02:45
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shipping like nine months or a year later than it was supposed to already and then they
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didn't do anything to it again and the competitors the competition here is tough and Apple TV
01:02:56
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I think more like more than any other Apple product feels like a product that exists to
01:03:05
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take advantage of customers who are in Apple's ecosystem. It feels like, you know, people
01:03:13
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criticize Apple, they knock Apple a lot for being like overcharging suckers who use their
01:03:20
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products and are just suckers for Apple's marketing. And, you know, there's a lot of
01:03:25
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these stories that they that they tell about this. The Apple TV is close to
01:03:30
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being like that though. The Apple TV is a lesser product that costs more, does less,
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and the only reason you really need it is because you've been locked in by some
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other part of Apple's ecosystem. Because Apple's devices only do
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AirPlay and they won't let anybody else's boxes do AirPlay.
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And so if you want to do that or if you want access to iTunes content, these are
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your choices. And that's not a product, that's not a product at that point. They made a big
01:04:02
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deal of the apps and there are some apps and some of the apps are nice, but again, most
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of the apps I use on the Apple TV are video apps and those apps exist like there's a Plex
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app for the other platforms.
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It's like you created this whole new thing called TV and couldn't get Netflix to sign
01:04:15
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on. Like, you're failing on all fronts with this. Every advantage that Apple tried to
01:04:23
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push forward this year with the Apple TV has huge holes in it, right? TV couldn't get
01:04:28
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Netflix single sign-on basically got any cable companies.
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And I will say one of the clarifying things about doing, thinking about calendar years
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like this survey does is, and you've mentioned it a couple of times, it squelches all track
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record and optimism. Yep. Right? Like those are out of it. It's like what happened in
01:04:46
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2016? It's like January 1st to December 31st. Like that's all you have. You can be bullish
01:04:50
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about the future of the Mac or pessimistic about it. You can be bullish about the future
01:04:54
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of Apple TV or pessimistic about it. But what happened in 2016? And the answer with Apple
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TV is nothing. So, and it was already behind. So I think it's fair.
01:05:05
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All right, so next up, all of the categories are software services, initiatives, that kind
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- Somebody's gonna write in and say,
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no, I like the bad stuff.
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- Well, those people are wrong, Jason.
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They are wrong.
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- They get the enemy discount.
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- They get the enemy discount,
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which is they have to pay for other people's months.
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Cloud Services, graded AC and the report card.
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way for it. That's good. That's up. People are feeling slightly more excited about Apple's
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cloud services.
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"Average score of 3.1, median score of 3. I have my theory about this. Why is this way?
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Last year, graded C- or a D+. Christina Warren said…" Christina went a bit… she started
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asking questions. She kind of went a bit philosophical here.
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"Are Apple's cloud services finally good?" is the question I asked myself. The answer
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is almost. And in the same vein Federico said, "It's difficult to provide a unifying
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comment on the overall state of Apple services. They still feel too disconnected from each
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other with varying degrees of success. They're getting better, but perhaps too slowly."
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Now I have given Apple's cloud services a three, and it's because I'm mostly indifferent.
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And I think that's why they are a three, because it is indifference. So I use quite
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a lot of them. I use Calendar, Mail, Music and Photos primarily. Like I use those extensively.
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They are services that I use. I mean iCloud stuff is, you know, iCloud Drive and it's
01:08:11
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going on in the background but I don't really think about those and that's kind of the thing
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with Apple services is they mostly do what I expect them to do but excel in nothing.
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some appointments but if I get a uh you know like what happens with google services if I get
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an amazon email I don't automatically get a tracking link put into my google search or now
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screen like they don't do any you know the photo stuff I can search for horses and mountains but I
01:09:02
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don't get a google assistant notification telling me oh here's this album we made for you automatically
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which is of this trip that you just made. Or like, "Oh, here's a GIF we just made of these few photos."
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So much of what Apple does, your photos app should be giving you that, not cloud services,
01:09:21
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the way Apple structures it. Your photos app should be giving you that. Cloud services,
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they can't do that. They can't talk to each other. It's not surfaced and I'm not told about it.
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Google does a really great way of doing a lot of this stuff and telling me about it.
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And my feeling is because Google knows they can be consistent no matter where you're looking
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And Apple can't be.
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I'm not sure that that is fair to lay on Apple's cloud services.
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I think maybe that because of the way Apple has structured its data, that is a software
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And the same would go for, like, your mail client should be getting mail from your travel
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or from Amazon and recognizing that it's a flight or it's a package to be tracked and
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doing something with it. Because that's what they have to do. Because Google is essentially
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running an app on Gmail that does that. And Apple isn't letting itself look at your mail,
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so the software needs to be able to do that. And that's the challenge, is that a lot of
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the times that doesn't happen either, right? And it is magical. I just bought a flight
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to LA for next month, and you know what happens? I get my receipt from Southwest Airlines in
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my Gmail and the flights on my calendar. That's it. It's already there because Gmail knows
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that that is a flight I'm taking.
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Alright, I'll agree with that. That is a fair criticism, but I still will stand by my point
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that Apple services just do what I expect them to do. They don't do anything. Apple
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haven't introduced a service this year which is life changing for me. They haven't given
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me anything new. They've stabilized things and they said they've made some of the client
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stuff that are like some of the things that sit on top of our messages better, but there's
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nothing, there's nothing that's making me go, "Wow, Apple services!" I'm just indifferent
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Yeah, I think what I would, I'd turn that around and say, "Indifference is a huge step
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up for Apple?"
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Yes, which is why it's a 3 and not a 2, which is why I probably would have given it before,
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right, for inconsistency. I would probably say that if I had to choose, I would choose
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Apple getting their services to be reliable, and that Apple is still fighting against perception.
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In fact, several of my panelists refused to answer this question at all because they refused
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to use Apple's services because they don't trust them. And my message to them was basically,
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I think you might want to give them a try because I have not been bitten by an Apple
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service in a while now. I think iCloud Photo Library is quite good at what it does. That
01:12:03
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said, I will also, now I'm going to do exactly what you just did, because Apple has this
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privacy approach to the server data that its servers can't look at it, Apple needs to
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be better on the software side to do the same sort of magic that Google can do up in the
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server and they're not. And the example I would give from this year is, yes, Photos
01:12:23
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now knows about horses and mountains, but does it sync all of that up to the cloud,
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that metadata, so that you don't have to reanalyze your photos on every device? No, it just doesn't
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And that is part of the service component of that, right? So I agree.
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Right, because it should sync that metadata and it doesn't. But I think this was a positive
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result from Apple because, and I know it's a C, right? I mean, it's not a really great
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It's a passing grade.
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the context of where Apple has been with cloud stuff, what I look at here is that
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Apple seems to be getting out, like Christina said, like they're almost
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good at this point. They're not a joke, they're not unreliable, they're not like
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"well this is fine but this one you shouldn't even touch." It's like there are
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still some rough spots but it seems to me like Apple has really stabilized the
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cloud services stuff. The next step though is it's got to be better than
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acceptable, right? It's got to do things working in tandem with the software on the
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devices. It's got to start doing things that are kind of delightful, and there's
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not a lot of that right now.
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Graded a D+ of an average score of 2.4, median score of D—sorry, median score of 2.0. Last
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year it was graded D.
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Yeah, you went from a D to a D+, congratulations.
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I'm not really sure how.
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Brent Simmons said, "This is a thing I don't want Apple
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"to spend its time on."
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I disagree with Brent vehemently,
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but I know where he's coming from.
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I assume that Brent is wishing that Apple
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would spend its time on the products
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that they're successful at.
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But I echo, Mark, seriously, no pun intended,
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Marco's comment, which is that home kit offerings
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continue to trickle out too slowly,
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and Apple has no answer in sight to the Amazon Echo
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in the Google Home. Apple's best hope for home automation currently is that it doesn't
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take off, which is a terrible place to be. And Lex Friedman said, "I have various smart
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devices and not one of them integrates with Apple stuff. Meanwhile, my Echo can control
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just about everything in my house." HomeKit for me gets the lowest score that I have given
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Apple for this scorecard, which is a one. Does HomeKit really exist?
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does I actually now have a couple of HomeKit devices in my house.
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I'm being facetious. You have to work at it. You have to work at it, Myke.
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So I check the Apple Store page frequently for new HomeKit devices, like in the Apple
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Store app, and it never changes. There don't seem to be new things that at least Apple
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is selling with HomeKit integration in them. I think they're falling behind. I think
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that whatever it is that Apple is making these companies do
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is too much to try and get integrations.
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And I know it's security,
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but it may be that they're making people jump through hoops
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and/or subsequently increasing the prices of their products
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because of the chips or whatever it is that Apple requires.
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I think that if Apple is very serious about this,
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and they need to try and make this easier for people.
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And I know that these products exist, right?
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I know that they exist.
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But let me tell you something,
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a lot of the ones that exist, I can't buy.
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- They exist in the United States of America.
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They do not exist in the United Kingdom.
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So from my perspective,
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HomeKit is basically a bit of a disaster.
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Like I was talking to Matt Alexander
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and he was telling me that he has just bought
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these new smart plugs or something called the iHome.
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and that the iHome is, it works with the Echo and with HomeKit.
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Now I looked it up and they just don't sell them here.
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This is not a product that exists in the UK.
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So this continues to be another problem for them, I think.
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Well, yeah, I think that going from a D to a D+ really says everything about HomeKit,
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which is that it got better, but it's not good enough.
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good enough. I think I get where Brent is coming from on one level I disagree
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because I feel like if you view the alternative as being Apple builds a
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whole bunch of smart home tech itself this is better because it's a third
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party initiative where Apple is just saying we don't want to build this stuff
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but I think more realistically and this is what Brent's getting at this is one
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of those things where perhaps Apple didn't need to build its own thing and
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could have used some existing technology.
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And, you know, Apple has done some things to certify the HomeKit hardware that
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there are arguments to be made that in terms of like security of devices of
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the Internet of Things, things that are not going to get hijacked and turned into
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botnets and all of that, that Apple's layer of scrutiny on HomeKit is maybe a
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a good thing. But you can also make the argument that maybe Apple should have just let the
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market work this out and not do what Apple does, which is create its own spec, create
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its own licensing system, and made people basically come to Apple with their products
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and ask for them to be approved and blessed.
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It was like they barged their way in and said, "Hey, you have to come to us and get certification
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because we've just started something."
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If you want access to our users, but the reality is that the users do have access to other
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things because you can just download apps that give you access to these other smart
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home platforms.
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Apple's leverage here isn't spectacular.
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It's Siri and the Home app and the Control Center home thing.
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their leverage as opposed to just like downloading an app for some other home
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tech so it's not they don't have great leverage and their story isn't great it
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is starting to take off and it may yet take off which is why it's definitely in
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that you know D+ of like well the rocket turned on but it still hasn't left the
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pad we'll see what happens next but I don't know it's a I'm with Lex too which
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is that my Amazon Echo can control just about everything in my house and HomeKit can't.
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And so, and you know, that's, in this state of Internet of Things, smart home kind of
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devices, I think being able to absorb and control anything is a way more important place
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to be than building a walled off subset of tech. And that's what HomeKit is. So if I
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could buy a smart home thing that was HomeKit compatible and other things, I would probably
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try to do that just because that gives me an extra bit, like the Hue light bulbs I have
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are HomeKit, you know, and the LIFX light bulbs I have are not. But I'm not going to
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to let it rule my world. Like, if it doesn't work with my Amazon Echo, I'm not going to
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buy it. If it doesn't work with If This Then That, I'm probably not going to buy it. But
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if it doesn't work with HomeKit, meh, I'll probably buy it anyway.
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Hardware reliability. Apple scored highest. This is the highest scoring category overall,
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right? Or actually it's the second highest after environmental and social issues, which
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we'll get to. Spoilers.
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Read A-, average score 4.1, median score 4, down a little bit, last year it was an A.
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Dan Morin says, "In general, I feel that hardware quality and reliability has been one of Apple's
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strongest points."
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And then Susie Oakes of Macworld says, "It's disheartening to read story after story about
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MacBook Pros having graphics issues, iPhone 6s having battery issues, iPhone 6 Plus having
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touch problems.
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I hope the hardware quality isn't slipping."
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So two very different responses there.
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I'm going to go with four for this one as well.
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In my opinion, there has been a little change
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in actual hardware quality year over year.
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There are always bugs, there are always X gates.
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Every big Apple product has some kind of critical flaw.
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But this is normal, nothing's catastrophic, right?
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Apple stuff has issues, but the overall quality
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of the products I don't think has changed.
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Like from a hardware perspective, everything is fine.
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And you know, like depending on what you consider
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hardware reliability, I can't really personally see much of a change year over year.
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You know, there are things that maybe don't work the way that you want them to, but it's
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not because they're flawed, it's just because they were designed that way, and I don't think
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design decisions goes into reliability.
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I kind of subscribe to your theory, which is there are always gates, and there are always
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going to be, with any volume like Apple has, there are going to be issues, but it sure
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seems like nobody was talking about problems with Apple hardware other than Steven Hackett
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and his hissing iPhone 7.
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But that ended up being that there actually wasn't really a huge problem with that. Like
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it blew up to be a thing.
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Because there were like five of them out there or whatever. But yeah, that's I think that's
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your point and I agree with it, which is there are always little things here and there. But
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I don't feel like that was a big story this year about Apple having to deal with hardware
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problems and when we consider the competition, yeah, I think it's fitting that Apple got
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a pretty good score here.
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>> Yeah, like Steven's phone was hissing, Apple did take it back and they did replace
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it and his next one was fine. He got a dud, right, it seems, and maybe other people did
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as well, but that happens with every product. Like, there are always going to be those problems,
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but it wasn't that every single phone hissed, because they didn't.
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quality was greater to B- an average score of 3.4, medium score of 3, last year a C+
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so we have an increase!
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Casey List said "things aren't as ugly as they were in the past but I still feel
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like we're not in the snow leopard glory days"
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Rich Mogul said "there was a mixed bag across the platforms but overall an improvement from
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the past year or two"
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Federico Viticci of Max Stories said "considerably better than years ago thanks to the optimisation
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went into iOS 9 and iOS 10. Still not perfect, still room to improve, but not as traumatic
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as 7 and 8 were. We just mentioned him, Stephen Hackett said that whilst Apple's core OS is
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stable and secure, I think the company could be doing a lot with first party apps to make
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them more appealing. And the developer of Peacock, James Thompson said improved in 2016
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friend of the show over a pretty poor 2015 heading in the right direction at least.
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I'm going to give out another four this year for this because it wasn't just the same,
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there was an improvement but it wasn't completely knocked out of the park.
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I would say that overall iOS has been solid this year where maybe some of the previous
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versions of iOS in recent years have not been when they've shipped. I feel that 10
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was fine, that you know it wasn't seven, it wasn't eight right like it was totally fine.
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but I will underscore that I am sad to see advancement, like a little advancement on the iPad
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and that holds back what could have been a five. You know, if I would have got what I wanted on the
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iPad, I'd be like great, for me personally, software quality is fantastic. I would just say I haven't
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installed Sierra and I have no intention to because I don't like to be on the most recent version of
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the OS on my production machine. I make sure that my security patches are in place but I don't
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I don't upgrade. So yeah, I have little to say on Sierra because I've never actually
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Right. Well, I think Apple, somebody, and it might have been Brent Simmons, said, you
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know, let's get off the Mac once a year treadmill, which I kind of agree with. I feel like it
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never, we never will. I feel like we never will because iOS is going to be once a year
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and they're going to want to sync the features up. But I do think that Sierra was a mild
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enough update that I think what we're seeing is Apple not trying to make every Mac OS release
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a major release, but they still have to keep pace with iOS features and try to stay in
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There has to be a revision of Mac OS in some form every year if iOS continues to be that.
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Because otherwise iOS will have features that can't communicate with Mac OS and that will
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cause myriad issues and many more people complaining and saying that iOS is
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getting all of the attention. So there needs to be, I mean Sierra could have and
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should have gone a little bit further when it comes to messages, stickers at
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least, maybe not apps but stickers should have better features than it currently
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does honestly I think. But they have to give some support because as
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As somebody who is still using, what version am I using? Yosemite? I think? It was Yosemite
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for Sierra, right?
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Nope, El Capitan.
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El Capitan, that's what I want. El Capitan, I get lost now.
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I'm a captain.
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The cats I could keep track of, but the California place names, they're lost on me. I can't,
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like, reconcile them in my brain.
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Your mind is still in Mavericks.
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Yeah, I just can't. I just can't get my head around them. Anyway, so as somebody who's
01:25:44
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still using that version. Was El Capitan I'm using? Did we establish that? Yes. El Capitan.
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Like messages is a disaster. It's just so bad. So they had to give it something because
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it's a nightmare trying to use all of the features. I still get just blank Twitter links
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with no expansion and stuff like that. So there has to be something every year. But
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I agree with you that it doesn't have to be, "Here's 20 new features for the Mac." It can
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can be like, here's this new thing I wanted to add plus parity of iOS. And I think it's
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important that they continue on that train.
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>> And they can roll features out across the year. I mean, the touch bar, that's hardware
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and touch ID.
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>> Touch ID, yep.
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>> That's hardware tied features. Those are OS features too, and they rolled those out
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with the hardware. So they can roll stuff out on the Mac on a kind of ongoing basis
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too, and then maybe have the milestone versions be really about syncing sort of the major
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Apple platform features for the year. I like what, I mean, I like all these quotes. I pick
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them right. You pick quotes out of the ones that I picked, right? So I did the first set
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of picking here. And so of course I like what Stephen Hackett said. I think that's an important
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point. I think Apple's core OS's are pretty stable. Like he said, I think he makes a really
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good point about first party apps that a lot of Apple's apps seem kind of adrift. Like
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One of the things that happens when you lose focus is you lose focus on some of the stuff
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at the periphery and the apps.
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I mean, you mentioned messages, but there are lots of apps that I feel like are like
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that where it's just like, it's fine, but there are other alternatives that show you
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that they could probably be better and there could be more innovation on the app front
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But it's fine.
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I mean, again, a few years ago, we were really up in arms about how Apple software quality
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was a disaster. And the perception seems to be in general that it's getting better.
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Not like Casey said, maybe the glory days, whether they were real or not, but a perception
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like this is not the hot button issue for 2016 anyway.
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Developer relations, graded a C+, average score of 3.1, median score of 3.0, last year
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it was graded a D. This is the biggest gainer of any category in the survey, positive gainer.
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Yeah, it went up what like a full grade and a whatever you'd call it.
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Grade and a half.
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Yeah, grade and a half.
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Phil Schiller's transition to leading the App Store has brought many welcome improvements,
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said Michael Almond, but communication is still poor. The Dash situation ended poorly and search
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ads have been controversial and alienating for many independent developers. John Gruber said,
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"I think the App Store situation is improving but still has ways to go." So it's far to go.
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And Brent Simmons said, "The Swift team is notably engaging."
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I'm going to give this a two.
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And the reason is I don't see a lot of these benefits in my day to day work.
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I don't feel it, right?
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It doesn't touch my work.
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All I can comment is the things that I see and the Dash story, which wasn't something
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that we covered with any significance, but it was when the developer of a documentation
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application called Dash, there was like a back and forth which resulted in he said,
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she said and their application being removed. I think that Apple did a really bad job handling
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this. The phone call that was leaked I think was terrible and sounded condescending to
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me. I really think that it was a bad mark from them this year and I personally, without
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knowing all I know is what I feel and I feel that Apple didn't do the right
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thing with this. They didn't resolve it in the way that it maybe should have
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been resolved. Again all I can comment on is what I saw. I don't know the full
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story but that for me was like that just wasn't good. They just
01:29:47
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didn't look good and it was a big public thing and I think that the right thing
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to do from a PR perception was to deal with that slightly differently to the
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way that they did. So I'm gonna go over to developer relations. So the reason
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scores are so much higher than next year or than last year is that Phil Shiller taking
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over the perception has been Phil Shiller taking over the App Store stuff has made a
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lot of things better. Like Marco said that the turnaround is a lot faster. And then,
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you know, Brent mentioned the the Swift team being very engaging and communicating in ways
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that maybe things were kept quiet at Apple earlier and they wouldn't speak. But I think
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most of the scoring improvements here are about the fact that a lot of the complaints
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that people had about the App Store were addressed this year. Not to say that there weren't some
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issues and the Dash story is an example of that, but I think generally what used to be
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a major complaint point, I think everybody wanted to basically give a little bit of applause
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that it seems like some of the fundamental basic problems that App Store, App Submissions
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and the like have had and the decrease of turnaround time, frankly, bottom line, like
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which should be kind of job number one, has improved dramatically in the past year. So
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that's what's going on here, I think.
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And then the final category, which I spoiled earlier, which is the highest overall score,
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is environmental and social issues. It's greater than an A-, an average score of 4.2,
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median score of 4. It has declined slightly, as last year it was an A, which is interesting
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to me. So Marco Almond said on this, "Tim Cook's handling of the FBI phone unlocking
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controversy was stellar and may well go down as a highlight of Cook's tenure as CEO.
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Federica Vittucci said "No one seems to care about these things as much as Apple"
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and he gives major respect on all fronts.
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John Molt said that "Apple's presentations this year were better in terms of diversity.
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It was nice to see, although the company still has a long way to go in diversity developer
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management."
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And carrying on from this, Aline Simms said "The diversity statistics seem to be barely
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shifting year over year and Aline would love to see Apple implement paid internship and
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mentorship programs for underrepresented minorities. Even though leadership turnover is low, Aline
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would like to hope to see more types of people represented in the leadership as well.
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So I'm going to give this a 4 again. The FBI case was handled tremendously and I feel if
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If this is the place that that exists, I think that Apple will significantly improve any
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If this is the category that that is going to exist in, then I will say that that was
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a really, really big thing for Apple this year from a positive perspective.
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And I agree that diversity is getting better, but only in what we're seeing.
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So what Apple shows us on stage, the people that they show us on stage, the people that
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that come out to make presentations.
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I think we can agree that that's better than it's ever been.
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But the positions are the same as they were before,
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is my assumption.
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But they're just changing who they show.
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So where we may have Bazoma Saint-Jean come out
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to talk about Apple Music, she's just replacing Eddy Cue.
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So he's still there doing that, ultimately,
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but they've changed the person
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that they're bringing out on stage.
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So they're doing a better job of showing us the diversity,
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but as Alim points out, the diversity statistics
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are not shifting in significant numbers.
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- Right, they seem to be shifting, but it's very slow.
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- Yeah. - Very slow.
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- So I would personally say that from what I can see in that
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and from what I hear from people
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that are really deep into this stuff,
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that would mark them down,
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but the way that they handled the FBI thing
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would mark them up and plus things in regards to environment,
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like the actual environment of the world,
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Apple will just remain consistent,
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which is consistently great,
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but they remain consistent year on year for that,
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so I'm gonna go with four.
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- So my kind of final thoughts on all of this
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is that having looked at all of this,
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I'm not unique in thinking
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that this was a weird year for Apple,
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but it wasn't an out and out disaster.
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And seeing things in this category,
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I am remarked at how many four out of fives I've given,
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but the thing is that some of the places
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where there would have been higher scores
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didn't get those this year.
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And that some of the things that you would expect
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to have high scores had lower scores
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than I would have expected to give them.
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But I do think that 2016 is kind of just a bump in a road
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in a few areas.
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Like I'm optimistic for a better showing in 2017.
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And I'm hoping that Apple will prove my optimism
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to be correct.
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Right, and that's the beauty of the calendar constraint again, is you can say, "Wow, that
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was a bad year.
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Let's try another year."
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Were you, in your, on the site, you had some graphs and some charts, and I'm going to include
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a link in the show notes, of course, to the report card.
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Were you surprised by any of the changes year over year?
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I mean, I think this is an interesting quantification of what mostly we knew, like that the math
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had a really bad year. I think dissatisfaction with the Apple TV, I think if you thought
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about it you probably would have expected it, but it was strong. That was a clear signal
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from these three dozen people. The friendliness toward the Apple Watch I think is deserved
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given it was a really good year for the Apple Watch. You got hardware turnover and a really
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good operating system update. I was not surprised, if anything I think I was a little surprised
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that it was not quite as negative as I really expected. I thought, I mean, the Mac took
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a huge tumble, but I thought it could have been even worse. And so, yeah, but I think
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one of the values of doing a survey like this is that you're sort of seeing what the conventional
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take on Apple's year was, because, like I said, you'll get people voting a one or a
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five, but in the end, it will all kind of wash out to a, you know, this average score
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of what most people sort of thought it was. And I think that's valuable. It's not a single
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personal opinion. It's more like what's the trend. And in fact, you could argue that somebody,
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you know, that the average score for a particular product was such and you could say, "No, no,
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no, that's totally wrong. That's just groupthink. That's the conventional wisdom." It's like,
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yeah, you might be right, but I think there's some value in seeing what was the conventional
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wisdom about 2016. What in general did people think? And then in the details you can see
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that there was a lot of disagreement on the details and that's why I put the quotes in.
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I love it. I'm pleased that you do this and I look forward to next year's already. Do
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you have, like if you were a betting man, what categories do you think would see some
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big change for 2017? If you were going to put some bets down on this, what would you
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I'm gonna say the iPad is going to go up because I do think they're going to
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revise all of the iPad pros and do a software update that addresses the
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iPad at some point in 2017 whether it's iOS 10.3 or it's iOS 11.
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So I think the iPad has a chance to go up. I also would say that I think the Mac
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has a chance to go up if Apple does a standard kind of battery of Mac
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releases and show that 2016 was an aberration. But I think if I had to put
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it on one that has the best chance to kind of rebound or progress I think it
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will be the iPad. What do you think about the iPhone? I don't know, I mean it already
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has a very good score. I think that even if Apple comes out with a really nice
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new iPhone and a nice version of iOS I'm not sure that that score is going to
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move particularly up. I think it could go down if there's a an iPhone 7s that
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looks just like the 7 and there's not a whole lot more in there other than the usual camera
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improvement faster processor sort of stuff. That could make it go down but even then the
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iPhone's riding so high right now that I'm not sure that a boring iPhone year is going
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to be considered a bad iPhone year by enough people for that to come down a lot.
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All right so we're running a little bit long today so we're going to skip Ask Upgrade this
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