136: My Screen, My Stuff
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From Relay FM, this is Upgrade, Episode 136.
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Today's show is brought to you by Encapsula, Squarespace, and MacWelder.
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My name is Myke Hurley and I am joined across a glass table by Mr. Jason Snow.
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Oh, hi Myke, I didn't see you there.
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That is podcast comedy, ladies and gentlemen.
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- Oh, that's the highest, of the highest caliber.
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But look out the window, Myke.
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This is the best view we've ever had
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for an episode of Upgrade, I think.
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- I will put a picture in the show notes
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of our view right now.
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Me and Jason are sitting in a hotel in Killarney
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called The Europe, 'cause we're attending
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the All Conference.
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I think this is the third episode of Upgrade
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recorded at All. - Yes, indeed.
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- In this very location. - Yes.
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- It's like our second home as a show.
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- It's the place we've recorded most frequently.
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- Probably, other than our own homes.
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- Yeah. - Yeah.
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- I think that will work.
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This is the place that we're together the most.
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So we are here and we're enjoying the All Conference,
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but obviously we took time out of the day
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to record the show for you.
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And we should begin this episode,
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as we begin every other episode,
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with #SnailTalk, so you send in your questions.
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We have the #SnailTalk on Twitter,
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and I get them for Jason.
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Now Jason, there's been a trend over the last couple of weeks where people are asking me
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baseball related questions and I think they're trying to get me to annoy you. They keep like
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mentioning other teams. But what I will take a question here that I think is maybe the
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most innocuous, which comes from Robert, which is, "What do you think of the Giants chances
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I think they are, well, they've started the season poorly, but there are hopes that
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they will have an okay year.
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And in the end, all you can hope for is that they finish strong enough to get a chance
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to win at the end.
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And they've done that a lot lately.
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So I enjoy baseball, is what I'm going to say.
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And we've had a lot of success in San Francisco lately.
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And if we have more, that's great.
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Congratulations to Baseball.
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Hooray for Baseball!
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Welcome back to Baseball.
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Baseball now being played.
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We love Baseball, I guess.
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It's the official sport of Upgrade.
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I thought that was Brain Ball.
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It's the second official sport of Upgrade.
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So we, last week in Ask Upgrade, somebody was asking about Dropbox-related media players.
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And boy did we get some response.
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We got many responses of options.
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So if you are somebody who has Dropbox files that you would like to have a media app to
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play maybe music or podcasts or audiobooks, I have four suggestions.
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Many of these were suggested by multiple people, but I picked out the people that suggested
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James suggested an app called Bound.
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Mark suggested an app called Infuse.
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Ali suggested Cloudbeats and John suggested Endplayer.
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Now full disclosure, I have not tried any of these.
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No, me neither.
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is not really a thing that I need or that I would use.
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So what I'm going to do, I'm going
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to put them all in the show notes
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so you can go and take a look.
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I looked at the screenshots.
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They all look like legit applications.
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Some are free, some are paid.
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So if you out there need this type of application
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in your life, you now have some suggestions
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in our lovely show notes, which will be in your podcast app
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of choice, so relay.fm/upgrades/136.
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So you can go and take a look for yourself.
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and I don't know, listen to music, I think is the thing?
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- From Dropbox?
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- From Dropbox, everybody's favorite music storage solution.
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- Yeah, that's right.
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I'm rocking on Dropbox.
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- You know, drop rocks?
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- We have rocks in it?
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- Yeah, we could do that.
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- Rockbox, rockbox.
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- We did it, we did it everyone.
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We're on fire today.
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We are cooking with gas.
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So it was a week ago that we had the Mac Pro announcement,
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Apple's recommitment to the professional Mac user.
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- And we were surprised, I mean, really,
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we recorded last week's upgrade.
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- We were on the heels.
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- I was visiting your co-host from remaster, Shahid,
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at his house, and then he drove me over to your house.
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And when I was at his house,
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I got the notification that that had happened.
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So I had a little car ride to think about it,
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and then you were already on Connected,
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And so we were, it was hot on the heels.
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It could not have been timed any better slash worse
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in terms of just sort of having the instant reactions.
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So now we had a little bit more time.
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The one correction I wanted to make,
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although we, it's one of those things
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that we said we thought was true,
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but then we expressed a lot of skepticism
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about whether it was true or not.
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So I feel like this isn't necessarily an error
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as much as a, I wanna restate that we were right
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when we said we had no idea,
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which is the specifications for the Mac Pro.
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Like within a half an hour after I was done with upgrade,
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Marco, Armet, and I had a Twitter exchange
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about how the update to the Mac Pro
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was literally a pricing change,
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and the hardware didn't actually change at all,
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and the high-end model is just the high end
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of the former bill to order.
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So the prices are less, but it's not,
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they're not new in any way.
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They're just existing configurations that they repriced.
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And we thought there might be something new there,
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but we didn't know, and the answer is,
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we didn't know because there isn't one, there's nothing new.
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- Yeah, like the processors aren't new processors, right?
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They've just chopped off the lowest end
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and brought the more powerful ones down the line, yeah?
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And the same with the GPUs as well,
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'cause this was something I think we kind of spoke about
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on the show, especially with the GPUs,
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that we don't, me and you, I think,
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don't really follow that stuff so much,
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so it was easy for us to kind of, for it to slip by,
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'cause it was basically just a lot of numbers
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letters really yeah but we knew they were better but that nothing new was
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introduced yeah that's exactly right and and it's just a as we said and I think
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we've said for a while we've heard from people who buy Mac pros sometimes you
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need to buy a Mac Pro because you have a specific need and it fulfills it and you
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need to do it and that's the answer to the question who's buying Mac pros is
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there Pete there's some people who have to get one doesn't matter that they know
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that it's old and hasn't been updated and all of that.
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They need that system.
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And so that's why Apple's keeping them around.
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At least now it's a better value
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that they're getting a higher end version
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of that old system.
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- Yeah, if you have to do it,
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you maybe feel a small percentage less ripped off.
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- Yeah, that's a good way to put it.
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- By the fact that you have to do it
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because you're now getting a little bit more
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bang for your buck.
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- Right, at least you're not paying the same price
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that somebody paid for that exact same computer
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three years ago. Whilst we're here at all, I did want to mention that I'm merely attending,
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but you are participating, you are reincarnating All Radio, which was something that you did
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last year, which was a fascinating mini-series of interviews with people that were giving
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presentations at all as a way to document what was happening, but also to give people
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that can't be here a glimpse into what it was all about.
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So you're going to be doing that again this time, right?
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So we're bringing it back.
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That's why they asked me back.
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There will be more this time because I'm a little more
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organized in scheduling my interviews.
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So we'll be doing a bunch of interviews tomorrow afternoon
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and rolling them out.
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I guess as I get a chance, some of them
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will roll out after I get home because I'm
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doing so many interviews that I'm not going to be able to produce them, but I have a very
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long trip home on Wednesday, so I may do some of it then.
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But lots of interesting people come here and speak, and the reality is, even though they
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do some capturing of the sessions, it's kind of lost if you're not here.
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It's kind of lost to history.
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And even if you are here, there are oftentimes sort of questions that people have, and that
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in this case that I have, about why those people are here and what they're talking
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about that I get to follow up.
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So they're fun little interviews with interesting people
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is sort of the bottom line of it.
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And I was happy with how the ones turned out last time,
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so I'm glad to be back and do it again.
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- So I'm gonna put in the show notes the RSS feed
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so people can go and subscribe.
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I recommend that you actually go and listen
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to episode seven of the previous years.
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It was Chadwick Seven's Escape Room,
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where we did an escape room,
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and you recorded the audio of the escape room.
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And it's a really fun episode.
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- It's weird but fun.
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It's not like the others in that way.
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It's not quite representative, but it is kind of fun.
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it's a fun little thing just to listen to.
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and check them out. So Mr Jason Snell, I had an entire episode planned last week. I had
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taken the time as always, as we always do, to we go through and we think about what do
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we want to talk about. And then Apple, every now and then, drops a bombshell on us and
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we ended up last week talking about the Mac Pro stuff for even longer than I expected.
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So I didn't, when I woke up this morning in Dublin, before we got the train down to Killarney,
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we are right now. I didn't, all I needed to do was copy and paste from the previous
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document and I have our entire show here.
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So this is what Upgrade 135 would have been.
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This is a time, this is an episode like a time machine episode.
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If we weren't so hungry and exhausted last week we could have just recorded this episode
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We could have.
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We wouldn't have had any follow up. But yes, we were planning on things and we would
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have come up with something to talk about this time, some new topics, but it was, this
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easier, I suppose. And the fact is, last week I was traveling. In some ways, since one of
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our topics is travel, this is better because this week you were traveling. You were preparing
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to travel last week. That was going to be the idea. And now we are both traveling.
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So, we're going to talk about how we travel with technology in 2017. I feel like this
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is, along with home screens and stuff like that, this is a topic that me and you have
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come back to maybe a couple of times.
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It's what we call an evergreen topic. It's something that you just want to revisit every
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now and then because the technology changes and your approaches change. And I think it's
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not, if somebody said, "What about travel tech?" we could say, "Well, go listen to
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when we talked about it at the end of episode 24," or something like that. But the fact
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is our travel experience now is different than it was when we started this podcast.
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It keeps changing, so why not talk about it a little bit while we're here?
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So let's start with the beginning of the trip, the packing. So where does your packing checklist
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live and how does that work?
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Well, it's a series of calendar events, Myke.
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- Do you keep it in Game Center,
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or do you write on the back of a postcard
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and take a picture of it and save it in iCloud Photo Library?
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- Well, I have a copy of Sticky's running in an emulator
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that's running Mac OS 9.
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- Sticky's, there is a version of it.
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- I know, it's still there.
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- I was using it for a while to remind me
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to press the button on Audio Hijack.
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- So, oh nice, that's very nice.
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My packing list lives in two places.
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You might be able to guess them.
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One is in my head in the noggin, and the other is I have a reminders list that is before
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I go things to do.
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That is essentially where it lives.
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And this list, is it just a growing list?
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Yeah, I would say that it's not one of those sort of like standard, "I've got a list
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of everything I need to take."
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We do that for some…
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It varies depending on what trip I'm taking.
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When we went to camp every summer, we had a camp list that we had compiled as we went
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that we knew like every year…
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In these specific things that trip.
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Yeah, and you forget.
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from the year before.
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But for most of these sorts of trips,
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what I have is, and it's always there,
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it's just usually empty, a before-I-go list.
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And a before-I-go list, every time I think of something
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that I need to do before I go, I need to post this podcast,
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I need to record this thing, I need to send this thing,
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whatever it is, I put it on the list.
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And then before I leave, I make sure
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that I've done all of those things.
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And that means I don't necessarily do them all
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at the same time at the end.
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Sometimes I just will remember I need to do that
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and I'll go do it and then I'll check it off the list.
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But it does ensure that everything gets done.
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- So I have a, I use Clear for this,
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because Clear is like, for me,
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a perfect kind of checklist app.
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And I have just a packing checklist in Clear
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that nothing ever gets deleted from.
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So all of the items I may ever need to pack
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for any trip are in Clear.
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And what I do is, they're all deactivated.
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So I go in and just activate them all,
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because you swipe to like check and check off,
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but it doesn't delete unless you ask it to do that.
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So I'll go in before the trip,
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I'll take a look at everything in the list,
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I'll activate all those items,
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and then as I pack them, I check them off again.
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- Oh that's nice.
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- So it's just like a list that I add to over time
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as things change, but it's for any trip
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I may ever need to take,
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all of the items should be in that list,
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and then I just go in and kind of activate and deactivate,
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and then do my packing checklist.
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So that's worked pretty well for me over time,
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and like I only really use Clear for that.
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Clear is a love little application.
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It hasn't received any love in the last couple of years.
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I think it might just be a kind of feature complete
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and it just lives there,
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but it's a great little app for stuff like checklists,
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like just very simple checklists like shopping lists
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and packing lists, so that's kind of how I do it.
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- What devices are making your trip today?
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What kind of big devices are you bringing?
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Well, you know I like to travel just with my iPad.
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But for this event, I brought my iPad and my MacBook Air.
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The MacBook Air, mostly because I have a lot--
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honestly, I had to edit the incomparable last week.
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I did it actually on the train from London to Glasgow.
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And I used Logic for that on the MacBook Air.
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I could have done that in Fairite on my iPad,
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but since I had the MacBook Air,
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it is a little more efficient to do it there.
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Really, for me, as we mentioned, I'm doing All Radio,
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and that's a lot of interviews, it's a lot of podcasts,
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and what I decided was I probably wanted
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to start processing those before I went home,
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and they all require some processing.
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It's not complicated, but there are a lot of them,
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and there will be a lot of processing,
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and I just thought it would be more expedient
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to do that all on the Mac and also that it is,
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the Mac is more flexible and if I have any issues
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that come up, if there's a technical issue,
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I feel like having a Mac with me is a little bit safer
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and since I'm coming all this way to do podcasts,
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I felt like it would be irresponsible for me
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not to bring it.
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So it's one of those things that in another circumstance
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I wouldn't have bothered but it is an 11 inch MacBook Air.
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it's very small.
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It doesn't take up a lot of room, so it's fine.
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I had to bring the extra charger for it, but it's fine.
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- Yeah, I brought my smaller iPad Pro, the 9.7,
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with the, I used the Logitech Create.
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Like, that, for me, that combo is like
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the perfect travel machine, 'cause it's small
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and I got the full keyboard and I can, you know,
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that's what I was doing my outline work on this morning.
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But I do have my MacBook as well.
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The 12-inch MacBook, aka the MacBook Adorable,
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because we're recording this show and in the show.
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I could have gotten away with it and said like,
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oh Jason, can I borrow your MacBook Air?
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But like I just, this computer is so small.
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Really, for me, the thing that was the most,
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that added the most weight and annoyance
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was bringing the USB-C charger,
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'cause it's just this big thing that you have to bring.
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But now I have my Nintendo Switch,
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which needs a USB-C to charge.
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And also I brought my Android phone with me, my Pixel,
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because I'm gonna use it to take some video stuff.
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So having a good USB-C charger is just a good thing to have.
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So I threw the MacBook in the bag, 'cause it's easy.
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- Well, like the 11-inch Air, it's so small
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that it's really not that big a deal to bring it.
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- It doesn't add so much weight to the already heavy-ish bag
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that you would notice.
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Like, what it adds, it obviously adds something,
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but it's adding so little in proportion to everything else.
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I just brought it with me.
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And it just makes things easier when I'm doing the shows.
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If we weren't recording this show,
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this computer wouldn't be here, right?
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- Yeah, and like I said, I think if I weren't doing
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the old radio thing, I wouldn't have brought it.
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And the reality is, I could have just come with my iPad
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and made it work, even.
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- 'Cause I mean, we're not recording into a computer
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right now. - No, right now,
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we're recording into the Zoom H6 recorder.
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So yeah, it's not necessary, but I think both of you
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and I made the, we made the same call,
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which was it was a little more efficient
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and a little more flexible and a little safer.
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- Safer is a good point, right?
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Because I like that word.
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I feel with some of the things that I do,
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I feel safer with the Mac than with iOS
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because it's more, it's just got a better lineage
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and history of doing certain tasks.
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- And if you, there are ways to work around problems
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on the Mac and on the iPad.
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You know, this is something that we've talked about
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many times before.
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On iOS, if you hit the brick wall, you can hit it,
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and you may not have a solution.
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And we're fortunate to be in a place
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with lots of people with Macs, so we probably would.
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Although it's funny, you and Marco Arment
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have both told me that you didn't,
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you refrained from bringing podcast equipment,
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which is fine 'cause I brought all of it in my suitcase.
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But you guys didn't need to.
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If you need an emergency podcast at some point,
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just let me know, I've got all the microphones.
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- Excellent, just always is on the hip.
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- Yeah, I'll just pull out the microphones
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you can do a podcast.
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- We had our upgrade meet up early this week.
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Thank you for everybody that attended.
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It was excellent.
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And I was talking to somebody about
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if Apple were to bring really good audio support to iOS.
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The kind of audio support that we're looking for,
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the ability to record and listen
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and basically an audio engine like the Mac has,
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which would allow us to have a Skype call
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and then use another application to capture that audio.
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I still wouldn't trust it immediately 'cause it's new.
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this is the trust thing.
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I know the Mac will do this because I do it on the Mac
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and have been doing it on the Mac for,
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actually, seven years today, actually.
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I've been podcasting for seven years.
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So congratulations to me. - Congratulations, yes.
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- But I've been doing it on the Mac for that entire time
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and honestly, the failures that I've ever had,
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it's not because of the OS.
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It's not because of the apps.
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It's something I've done that breaks things.
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I don't have things that can't be repaired.
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Well, I had all the Mac Pro woes,
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but we don't have to talk about that right now.
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- Yeah, I think comfort is a part of it,
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and security is a part of it.
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So for me, I'm comfortable in Fairite.
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I know that you aren't, but I am comfortable with that app,
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and so I'm comfortable editing on iOS.
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It's a different experience, but a lot of it is,
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again, it's the details, and that's what we would have,
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in this scenario of yours, that's what we would get,
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is files transferring and being able to do two things
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once and all of that. And then, yes, this is what we both do for a living, so there's
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a level of being careful and seeing how it goes and trying it out. And let's say, the
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first time I try out, if the iPad gets an update, iOS gets an update, and suddenly we
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can use it somehow so that I don't need to travel with a Mac to do all of the recording
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stuff we do, the first time I do that is not going to be while I'm traveling, certainly
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not going to be when I'm 5,000 miles away from home.
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I'm going to do it at home so that if it fails,
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I can switch to my Mac.
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- Yeah, exactly.
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- And then after a while of using that,
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maybe I feel confident enough to take it on the road.
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- Yeah, it's like I bring my Mac on a trip like this
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for the same reason I pack an extra set of clothes.
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- Right, because it's whatever the computer equivalent is
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of spilling something on your pants.
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You need another, you need a change of clothes.
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- What are you going to do?
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You need a change of clothes?
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I need to change the computer.
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- I only brought one set of pants on this trip,
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and Lauren said, "What happens if you spill on your pants?"
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And I said, "I guess I go wash them off,
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"or everybody gets to see me wearing my pajama pants
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"for a little while."
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- I'm not gonna say I'm gonna spill any soup on you.
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- Don't spill any soup on me.
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- I would like to see you walking around in your pajamas.
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- I've also got a pair of shorts,
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so I might just walk around in the shorts too.
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I wanted to just, these are the devices,
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these are our computing devices,
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but they're not the only devices that we bring on a trip.
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And I bring something like my Nintendo Switch
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on a trip like this.
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- Oh, is this your first time traveling
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with a Nintendo Switch? - It is, yeah.
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It's the first time I've been on a plane with it.
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- Did you play with it on the plane?
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- Yes, I did.
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I only had like a 90 minute plane journey,
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but it was incredible.
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It was so good.
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For when we were taking off and landing,
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I just had it in handheld mode, right?
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Like I'm just holding it and playing,
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it was playing Zelda naturally and then when we were you know just in the air
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and the seatbelt sign was off tray table down stand it up and just I disconnected
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the controllers and I can have the switch closer to me and my hands around
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the back of it Oh out parading the controllers because that's you can kind
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of sit however you want and it was it was incredible like I mean I I'm in love
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with Zoda I mean I will categorically say now it's the best video game I've
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ever played like I think that it's just unbelievable and the switch system is so
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great for stuff like this I am very excited as more games come out over the
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next week so bringing games out a lot but like big games and the next one is
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Mario Kart the end of the month which is a shame because by the end of the month
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because I'm traveling basically all of April and Mario Kart comes out on 27th
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like the day I can't finish my travel but then I can play it at home yes that's
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- That's right. - That's great.
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- I've got a Kindle with me as well.
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I actually read a book on the plane.
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And all my other entertainment is loaded on the iPad.
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I've got movies and Netflix shows and things like that.
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But I did bring the Kindle Oasis with me.
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- Yeah, for a trip like this, for me,
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I don't need to worry about movies.
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But on the trips that I'm gonna be taking
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over the next couple of weeks,
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one of them's gonna be a trip to the US,
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I'm putting stuff on there as well, like movies and whatever.
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I know that there's always stuff on the plane to watch,
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but I like to use my own devices.
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- Yep, my stuff, my screen.
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- I just way prefer that to anything that I get.
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'Cause as well, the screens are never that great,
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no matter kind of where you are on the plane,
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and iPad is always gonna be better.
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So that's what I bring there.
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Now I can see your backpack, it's right over there,
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and you're still using your trusty Brent Haven
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that we've spoken about in the book.
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- Yeah, indeed, this is the eBay duplicate that I got
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that is a duplicate of the other one that's falling apart.
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And you'll notice that Mr. James Thompson,
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who is all here at the conference,
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if you look at his backpack,
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you'll find it's identical except in color.
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- But this bag is not made anymore.
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The Brent Haven bag, right?
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They don't make this one?
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- No, they don't.
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So I ended up, yeah, and I've had it for like 15 years,
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and I liked it so much that I realized
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that as it was falling apart,
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Maybe I could see if somebody was selling them
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where they just had an old backpack around
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and sure enough on eBay I found a couple.
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So for 20 bucks I got a duplicate of it
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so I can just never change.
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- You better find another one.
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- My theory is that by the time these ones fall apart
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I will not be well enough to carry things on my back.
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- Is that the situation? - Just be an old man.
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That's my hope.
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I've got a new bag by a company called Manal
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and I bought the bag that they make called the Daily Carry bag
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and this is the first trip that I've taken it on.
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So this is a bag that I use kind of on my back.
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We both, I mean they're not a sponsor of this episode,
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but we both have our away suitcases.
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That's why I got my clothes in.
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And this is the first time that I've checked that bag
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and it's worked fine for me.
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- But I have kind of all of my stuff in my backpack.
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And I've been really happy with this bag.
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It's made really nicely.
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It's got a lot of compartments in it,
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which I was looking for.
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And also everything opens flat, which I really like.
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So I can unzip parts and just open the whole thing up
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and I can get to what I need.
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And the computer compartment is brilliant.
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It has two neoprene slots, so I can put a larger device
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and a smaller device in there,
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and they're kind of held in by Velcro.
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- And they're just suspended in the center of the bag.
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So I can put MacBook and iPad into this little compartment
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and it's done really well.
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The straps are super comfortable.
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like some of the most comfortable straps I've used.
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And the bag is relatively heavy right now,
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but it feels really excellent to put on.
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This is a relatively new company,
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they're based in New Zealand,
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and they had two successful Kickstarters, I think.
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One for their original bag,
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and then they did one which had two bags,
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'cause they do a carry-on bag,
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and a daily bag, and I have the daily bag.
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So I actually really, really recommend it.
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I am very pleased with this bag.
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So if that sort of thing interests you,
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then it gets a big thumbs up from me.
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So a friend of mine, his name's Chase Reeves,
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and you've met Chase.
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He actually does hilarious and really entertaining
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bag reviews, like backpack reviews on YouTube.
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I'll put a link in the show notes to his review of this bag
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because he is the reason I bought it
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because he did a really great job of explaining it
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and kind of going through it and reviewing it.
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So if you're interested in that, you can go there.
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He reviews a bunch of stuff so you can go see
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as a bag you're looking for. He's always got good solutions and good suggestions.
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So what's going in this carry-on bag? So my cable situation is mostly taken care of by
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the Anker USB wall charging hub thing. So I have one of those, you just plug it into
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the mains and you have like five cables available to you. So you can just plug a bunch of USB
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cables in so you're not searching for plugs all over the room. And they have a new one
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now which I don't have but I will at some point upgrade to which has USB type C and
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with the power delivery thing so it charges those devices quicker that's going to be something
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that I will be getting in the future because that will charge something like this MacBook
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on my switch like really quickly or even my iPad because the 12.9 inch iPad has that fast
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charging thing if you have USB C power delivery so I'm grabbing you one of those now. The
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The reason I like these devices is, like say me and Idina are traveling together, we need
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minimum 4 USB cables.
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And no hotel room on the planet gives you 4 plug sockets near the bed.
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It just doesn't happen.
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They just don't do it.
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I don't know why, but it doesn't happen.
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So these, I really recommend these Anker USB things.
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Yeah, I've thought about buying those and I just haven't done it because my approach
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has been, I still have a bunch of the, you're using one right now in fact, I have a bunch
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of the long cables that I think Apple doesn't even put in the box anymore. That's the
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long power cable that clips into the Apple power brick. And then for international travel
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I just use a plug adapter. And so what I end up doing is I have, I think I brought three
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You just have these long cables just trailing all over the room.
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Right, one of the, one of the ways you can get, what I found is there are outlets around
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and they're often inconvenient and I have a long USB cable and I have these long plug
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cables and you put those two together and that outlet that's over by the window is
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far enough you can get you can get it to so you can put your Apple watch or your by your
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bedside or your iPhone by your bedside and not everything needs to be by my bedside I
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can you know put the iPad across the room or whatever but and so right now like here
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I traveled with three of those.
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And that was enough for me.
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But I'm intrigued by this because yeah,
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the fact is when I travel, if it's all of us,
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we have my daughter's phone, my son's iPad,
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my wife's phone and iPad, and my phone and iPad,
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and at that point we have six USB charge devices.
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So right now what we do is everybody brings their own stuff
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and it works fine, but this would work better.
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couple of those and you'd be set. You'd need one but like you had two.
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I should just get one that's got six on it and I'd probably be done.
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Yeah and I think this thing's a really good thing. You just need the one kind of European
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for me, in my case, a US adapter. Plug it straight into the wall and you're good to go.
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Yeah. What about battery packs? Do you bring any batteries with you?
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I try to. I actually forgot to bring my little Anker battery this time.
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It's in the drawer at home but since I have the away
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the away suitcase, which again, not a sponsor this week,
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but that has a battery in it, the away carry-on.
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And little known fact about the away,
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since they're not a sponsor, is for parts of Asia,
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you're not allowed to bring the battery,
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to check the suitcase with the battery in it.
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- They're not.
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- In the rest of the world you are, they say,
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because it's attached, there's specific regulations,
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they've looked them up, because it's attached to the case
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and it's below a certain capacity, it's considered safe.
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But because in some places you may need to detach it,
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it comes with a little screwdriver
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that actually you zip inside.
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And you can unscrew the case
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and the battery charger pops right out.
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And I did that because I was curious
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and I was looking all this stuff up.
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And you can actually slide that out and put it anywhere.
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And it's a fully functional battery pack,
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even when it's out of the suitcase,
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it's just another big custom battery pack.
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So I have used that a little bit,
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but normally I do have an anchor,
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a little black kind of oval cylindrical battery charger
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that I keep around for emergencies, right?
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It's that moment where your iPhone is about to run out
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of gas and you need a little bit more to get to a charger.
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- I was thinking about this.
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I over pack batteries.
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I have a Mophie that I don't think they make anymore.
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It's one of their power station ones,
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but it has an integrated lightning cable in it.
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And I found it in an airport a couple of years ago,
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and I don't think they make this exact one,
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but they do, you know,
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Mophie do make a ton of different solutions.
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So I have that, which is just always there,
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and it's like I can charge my phone
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and put both things in my pocket if I need to, right?
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'Cause it's big, but not too big.
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So it's smaller than my phone.
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I also have a huge Anker battery
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called the Anker PowerCore.
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This is like one of those batteries
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that will charge your phone five times, right?
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Like this is a all else fails,
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here is the battery that I have.
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And then on this trip, I also have my suitcase
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which has a battery in it.
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And I was thinking, am I--
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- You're more battery than man now.
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- Is this overkill was my thinking.
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And I kind of came down to two things in this.
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One, yes it is.
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But two, I care about having my devices with me
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all times and this is a way to ensure especially when I'm doing long travel that I have access
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to those devices. Like if I'm traveling for 12 hours maybe on a plane or like from door
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to door like from when I leave sometimes I'm traveling for 18 hours or something like that.
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My phone will need to be charged more than once most likely with the amount that I use
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it on a trip like that. If I'm playing like games on my Nintendo Switch that's going to
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need to get charges or whatever. If there is a solution for a problem when it comes
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to travel that can be solved by technology, I will take that road.
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I guess my question would be, do you really need it? Because so many planes now have power
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plugs or USB chargers.
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But they don't always.
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They don't always. It's true. It's true. And then, how many times do you need? I can
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see, look, you can do as much as you feel you need to to be comfortable, I think, in
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And this is it.
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In the end, if this relieves your stress, then that's fine.
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For me, I have driven a lot of this stuff out because I realized that it's not—now
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it's stressing me out because it's unnecessary and I'm mad that I brought it and that that's
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the time when you kind of shed those.
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Because I feel like this is less of a worry than it used to be, that battery life has
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gotten better, that there are more chargers in more places.
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And if you've got a battery that you bring with you, then you've got it for emergencies.
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I rarely need it for anything other than—honestly, I rarely need it when I travel.
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It's when I'm at my destination and I'm not in my usual sort of charge-all-the-time
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mode, and I'm walking around with my iPhone, and then at the end of the day, the iPhone—I've
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been using it heavily because I'm not at home and I'm out and about, and that's
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when the iPhone battery drains, which is why I like having that anchor battery that I've
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that I can keep in my pocket and I can actually charge my phone while I'm walking around just
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in my pocket. Back pocket's got the battery, front pocket's got the phone. So that's the
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most common place for me, not on an airplane. But it's happened. I've had an international
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flight and I was listening to music and doing other stuff and it ended up that my phone
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was uncomfortably low for me and I was thinking, "I'm just getting off the plane in another
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country and my phone's dying." And I had my battery and I was able to charge it and then
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I felt a lot better.
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- Yeah, I feel like I just have an increasing amount
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of devices in my life that require power.
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- Like my headphones now.
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- Yeah, well, so this is the same thing.
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We talked last week about how I got an electric car.
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- And despite the fact that 95%, 99% of the time
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we drive it, we'll be within about five miles of our house,
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10 miles of our house.
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We still spent most of our brain power
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first week we had it dealing with range anxiety. And range anxiety is not just for cars, it's
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for any device with a battery. There is the reality of when it runs out of battery and
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if you can survive. And then there is the anxiety part of it. And it is psychological.
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It is, "You're trying to plan ahead. You're concerned. But what if this lets me down?
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What if I end up in a situation where I can't do this anymore?" And that's true for
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a laptop or a phone, just as it's true for an electric car, and you just have to manage
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it. And batteries do provide peace of mind. They also weigh, so you have to balance that
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out. I feel like when we're traveling with bags and stuff like we are right now, as opposed
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to being out in an event where you just have your phone with you, that's one of the nice
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things about those little batteries, is that you can just stick them—we can stick them
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in these bags, and it's not a big deal to bring them in the bag. And then if we want
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to bring them with us out for the night we can do that too.
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Alright so when we travel on, when we take these long trips, when people take these long
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trips they want to be entertained. So I wanted to kind of touch on some things that we would
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recommend or things that we're looking at right now for anybody that's got summer vacations
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Yeah, sometimes. Although I do more TV shows than movies only because I feel like it gives
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me more options to, I'm not committing to watching the same thing for two hours. I can
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watch an hour here and an hour there. I do sometimes watch movies on planes but it's
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It's a little more TV.
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- And do you choose kind of whatever you're watching
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right now, do you have go-tos?
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- It's a combination.
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I have some comfort food, like Doctor Who's coming back
00:39:22
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this next weekend, and I have the, not the last series,
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but the previous series, the first Peter Capaldi series.
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I want to kind of revisit him before the new season starts,
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so I loaded those on using Plex, actually.
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I just downloaded them from my Plex server onto my iPad.
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So that's some kind of comfort food.
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And I also have, there are shows that I want to watch
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and that my wife probably doesn't want to watch
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that are fair game for a trip like this.
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So I've got some of that.
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And these days what it is mostly is stuff
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from Amazon and Netflix that I can download.
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Now that those services both allow you to download videos
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to your device and watch them when you're off the internet,
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that has made a big difference.
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So those are my two techniques right now is,
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stuff from streaming services that are not on the queue
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to watch at home, and then some favorites
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that I can just offload from my Plex server,
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because Plex lets you download to a device,
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and so that couldn't be easier.
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And sometimes, if there's a show that I'm watching
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that my wife's not watching that's on our DVR.
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The TiVo, TiVo has an app that lets you download
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those files too and play with them.
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- You can download them locally?
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- That's awesome.
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- Yeah, so I can walk away with,
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I've got a few episodes on there too.
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It's way more than I will ever possibly watch on this trip,
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but what it means is on my 13 hours of flights
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that I've got back to the US on Wednesday,
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I will have a bunch to choose from
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and I'll just see what I'm in the mood for.
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Now, flying over here, I didn't watch anything
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'cause I read a book instead,
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but that was because that was what I was in the mood for.
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I just didn't feel like, you know,
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it's kinda hard to explain, just, I didn't feel like it.
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I didn't feel like sitting there and watching a TV show.
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I just wanted to put in some music and read a book.
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Music, by the way, as I learned the hard way,
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I think the last time I traveled,
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part of my checklist now, my digital checklist,
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is making sure that some of my favorite playlists
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are downloaded to my phone,
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because now that I am using Apple Music and all of that
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and not syncing from iTunes,
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I need to make sure that I've got files stored locally.
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- Sometimes it feels like,
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I mean, I have no way of testing this,
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but something I feel like should be downloaded,
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like I feel like I would have downloaded this, isn't.
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- Well, it's marked as purgeable, just like on the Mac,
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and if certain apps in iOS need free space,
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the stuff I think can be freed.
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Although it tries not to do it with things
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you've explicitly downloaded, I'm not sure.
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But sometimes I've had that same thing
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and I don't know whether it's,
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have I not listened to this since the last time
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I upgraded my iPhone?
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Or is it just that they went away
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'cause they were just sitting there for a while
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and now I need to get them back?
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But I did get stuck on a plane,
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I think when I was visiting my mom in Phoenix.
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So it was only an hour flight,
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but I got stuck on a plane where I looked at my music
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and I realized I had no music to listen to.
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So I have podcasts and I listen to podcasts some too,
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but music was not gonna be an option.
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- That's a big thing for me, making sure I download shows,
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'cause I just stream everything.
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- Oh yeah, yeah, then you have to.
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I download 'em all, but I still go back into the archive.
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A lot of times I'm listening to a show from way back,
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so like for me it's Magic Tavern,
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where I'm like 50 episodes back, 40 episodes back,
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and so I will go in and I'll just tap,
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you know, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo,
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download these five, download these six
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of whatever podcast I'm listening to,
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going through the back catalog,
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so I have those on the plane.
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- Yeah, my all-time kind of plane show is The Flop House,
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and I actually had a couple of episodes
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that I was behind on, so I got to listen to.
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- That's great.
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- But also, I've mentioned this show on this show before,
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and it's My Brother and My Brother and Me.
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That's my show in which I'm going back, right?
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Like you do with Hello. - You're dipping
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into the back catalog.
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- Yeah. - Yeah.
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and it's just a light-hearted fun show,
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it works for me on a plane,
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'cause that tends to be most of what I can cope with
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- Yeah, my only problem with podcasts on a plane is it's,
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I'm tired, I'm tired of these podcasts on this plane.
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Exactly right.
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That's a terrible movie, Podcasts on a Plane.
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It's just people listening to podcasts.
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It's really boring.
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- Or recording shows of horrible sound quality.
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My problem is that stimulates me auditorily,
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but not visually.
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So unless I'm staring out the window--
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- Oh, would you should be playing an iPhone game
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or something?
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- That could be.
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- Would I do that?
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- So I don't do that as much, although I do it some
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if I'm not in the mood.
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Honestly, a lot of times it's like if I'm tired
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and I don't want to use my eyes, I want to close my eyes,
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they're dry 'cause they've been in a plane,
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I haven't slept well, whatever the reasons,
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podcasts are good in those circumstances
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where I can kind of close my eyes and zone out
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and just listen to the podcast.
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- So listen to Close Your Eyes, unless you're driving.
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Zone out, listen to our voices.
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- Yes, we are. - It's time to rush
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your dry eyes.
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- Are you on an airplane now?
00:44:37
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- We're talking directly to you.
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- Airplane people, relax.
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Play an iPhone game if you like.
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Close your eyes. - Close your eyes.
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- If you want to.
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If you're driving, pay attention to the road.
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- Pay more attention.
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I, for movies, for me, and TV,
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- I always go with the comfort food route
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when it comes to planes.
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- Yeah, you know I always have real genius
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loaded on my phone.
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- On my phone.
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- On your phone.
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- In case-- - For immediate need.
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- In case I'm, it's like carrying,
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I carry a bar of chocolate with me
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when I go on a long trip, just like,
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feeling you need some comfort.
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There's a little chocolate for you,
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and there's real genius.
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- Godfather one and two.
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- And Glengarry Glen Ross.
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- Always on my iPad.
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- You need some mob action, mob violence.
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- Serious, just serious movies.
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I don't know why, they're just movies that I love.
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I just absolutely, I could just watch them
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over and over and over again. - It's comfort food,
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that's what it is.
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- And also, I've been very slowly
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going through Curb Your Enthusiasm.
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It's a show Adina has no interest in watching,
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even though she loves Seinfeld,
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she just doesn't click for her.
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And it's 'cause it is just like 30 minutes of awkward.
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- Yeah. - And sometimes
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can be painfully awkward and I've just been going through this show very
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slowly and of course my another big huge source of entertainment for me right now
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is video games. I mean I play a lot of iPhone games like threes and is remained
00:46:08
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continuous and Altos adventure is another game that like
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that continues to get a lot of play especially in these sort of scenarios
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because they're very mindless and easy. And today on the train you were playing
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what's it called? - Type Shift?
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- Type Shift.
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- Which is another great game.
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I was playing that today.
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That's a great game.
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But I don't know if that's gonna be a timeless, right?
00:46:33
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Like threes and like Alto's adventure,
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but I continue to play those games very frequently,
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and especially when I'm traveling.
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Like these would be the games that I will play
00:46:41
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whilst I'm listening to episodes of The Flop House.
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- So I mean, I think, do you,
00:46:47
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I mean you've been reading, right?
00:46:49
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I mean I'm sure reading continues to be a big thing for you.
00:46:51
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I read an entire novel on the flight here. What did you read? It's one of the Nebula
00:46:56
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nominees and it's called Borderline. Okay. I wonder if I know who wrote it.
00:47:04
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It's a, it's good, it's like a noir story about... It's a book in black and
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white, huh? About fairy people who can cross over to Hollywood.
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- Okay, this is kicking up a storm.
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I'm so lost.
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- No, it's interesting, 'cause it is written very noir-ish.
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Technically, it's urban fantasy,
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which is a genre that's very popular these days,
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but I felt like that it doesn't fit
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with my conception of urban fantasy,
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because it feels more to me like a film noir
00:47:42
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where it's about Hollywood,
00:47:45
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and there's somebody who's missing,
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and they're trying to find somebody,
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And the person who's called is a kind of cranky, unpleasant person, like a noir detective.
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And she has to find these.
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But she's also then revealed to her as the fact that fairies are real and they're problematic
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in many ways.
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And there are issues and they're the secret creative power that's powering Hollywood.
00:48:11
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And so there's a whole other layer of Hollywood over it.
00:48:14
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It is Borderline by Michelle Baker.
00:48:16
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And that was really great.
00:48:17
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So I read that on the plane over here.
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And on the way back I will probably read one of the other Nebula nominees, Nine Fox Gambit
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or Everfair.
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But Borderline.
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It was good.
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Really good.
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Took up the whole plane.
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Didn't need to watch a movie.
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Had Borderline.
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We've been talking quite a lot in the past, and you have, on Six Colors, about flight
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tracking apps.
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Because our favorite app went away, Flight Track.
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you made a decision on which app you're using? Well, the one that I'm gravitating
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to a lot is is called Flight Update Pro. Okay. It's not pretty, but it has all
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the information in it. Okay. And so I like that one. I've tried App in the Air,
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and it's a very beautiful full-featured app,
00:49:14
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but it's also a subscription app,
00:49:16
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and the subscription is priced for people
00:49:18
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who basically are business travelers and fly all the time.
00:49:21
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And I don't begrudge them that,
00:49:23
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but it's not an app that I'm,
00:49:25
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I'm not willing to pay the price
00:49:27
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that they're asking for it.
00:49:28
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So although it's a beautiful app,
00:49:30
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I'm not gonna subscribe or,
00:49:34
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I think you can unlock all the features forever
00:49:36
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for like 50 bucks or something,
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and it's just like, I'm not gonna do that.
00:49:40
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That's, it's not enough of me.
00:49:42
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I am trying some others.
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Kayak is okay.
00:49:48
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Tripit is okay.
00:49:53
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Tripcase is okay.
00:49:54
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I've got more work to do here,
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and I'll probably, when I get home,
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I'll kind of try to wrap it up
00:49:58
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and do some more testing too.
00:50:00
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But it's funny, the one I've been gravitating to
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is FlightAware, or FlightUpdate Pro,
00:50:06
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because it's pretty straightforward.
00:50:10
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It's got all my whole trip,
00:50:12
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even though I'm using two different tickets
00:50:14
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on two different airlines
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'cause I had a flight in the middle from Glasgow to Dublin,
00:50:18
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it's all in there in one place and it's got all my details.
00:50:22
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And so I feel like it's the best one so far.
00:50:26
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- I'm using App in the Air.
00:50:28
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I paid for like, I think you get like six months
00:50:31
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or something. - Yeah.
00:50:32
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- And it's like $20.
00:50:33
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It's not cheap.
00:50:35
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I pay for a year, which is like $30 or something.
00:50:40
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I like it a lot.
00:50:41
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- It's good.
00:50:42
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- Because it's a stupid amount of money
00:50:45
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to pay for a single app that all it's doing is this,
00:50:48
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I mean, it's not, apps can be that price,
00:50:51
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but it doesn't really do a ton for what you do.
00:50:55
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Like, I'm used to paying that kind of amount of money
00:50:58
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for an application that the Omni group make.
00:51:00
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- If I was flying all the time,
00:51:02
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I would feel different about it.
00:51:03
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is because I fly a lot.
00:51:05
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And that's who-- and you know what?
00:51:06
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The fact is great flight tracking apps are going out
00:51:09
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of business because they were bought in the case of Mobiata,
00:51:14
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who did Flight Track Pro.
00:51:16
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But the business model is a question, right?
00:51:19
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They need to develop these things,
00:51:21
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and they need to have access to the data,
00:51:22
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and they need to do all of the stuff they need to do.
00:51:24
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So I don't begrudge them--
00:51:26
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and there's a business traveler market for App in the Air.
00:51:28
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So it's actually good for them that they're doing it.
00:51:31
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And you can see the results.
00:51:32
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It looks very good.
00:51:33
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they take a lot of care with it. It's just that I don't think I can prioritize it because
00:51:37
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I don't fly enough to do that.
00:51:39
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Oh, I should mention, because we did get some feedback about this, that I always pooh-poohed
00:51:46
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the idea of using airline apps because in the early days the airline apps were awful,
00:51:54
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but I have to give it to them. I downloaded some airline apps for this trip and also for
00:52:02
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another airline that I use frequently,
00:52:05
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and they're a lot better.
00:52:07
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If you're on an airline, it probably benefits you,
00:52:11
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even if you have another app,
00:52:12
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it benefits you to have the airlines app
00:52:15
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because they will send you push notifications,
00:52:18
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they will send you change information,
00:52:21
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and it's often where you can stash your boarding pass
00:52:23
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if it's not in wallet.
00:52:25
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So I had the United Airlines app on this trip
00:52:27
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and it was not bad.
00:52:30
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I don't know if I would rely on it on its own, but it was, that was a good tip that
00:52:35
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I had just written them all off and they were actually worth downloading.
00:52:40
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Yeah, I, the airlines I tend to fly with the most are British Airways, Virgin and Delta,
00:52:48
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and all of their apps are, I think they were built on the same platform, honestly.
00:52:54
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I think someone's made a platform.
00:52:55
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And there's a white label for airlines, yeah.
00:52:58
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But it's good.
00:53:00
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BA's was a good app and Virgin's was terrible and then they changed it and they started
00:53:04
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to look very similar. But now they, I find them fine. This is Virgin Atlantic. And yeah
00:53:12
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they do what I want them to do. That app in the air, it's expensive app. I want to pay
00:53:17
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it because I want the features that it has. Like the real time notifications and just
00:53:23
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a lot of the stuff that it does is things that I want and using it on this trip I feel
00:53:28
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you have indicated in my decision
00:53:29
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'cause it's the app I'm looking for.
00:53:32
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- For me, it's a good replacement
00:53:34
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and enhancement on FlightTrack.
00:53:35
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'Cause it's doing everything FlightTrack was doing
00:53:37
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and it also offers some extras as well
00:53:39
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and it has good customization.
00:53:40
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It has some tools that I don't want,
00:53:42
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like it can automatically check you in for flights,
00:53:44
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but I just don't want it to do that.
00:53:46
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But it really is focused around people
00:53:49
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that take more than one or two trips a year.
00:53:52
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And you know, I keep saying this,
00:53:56
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But I'm gonna be taking eight or nine airplanes in April.
00:54:00
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I'm gonna be taking eight or nine flights in April.
00:54:03
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- After your year with it, you'll know.
00:54:05
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- If you look at the price and go,
00:54:08
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"Oh, do I really wanna pay again?"
00:54:09
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- Exactly. - Or if you say,
00:54:10
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"Yeah, got it." - No brainer, right?
00:54:12
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- Yeah. - Then I'll know.
00:54:14
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But that's the one that I've gravitated towards.
00:54:16
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- It looks like it's the best one.
00:54:18
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My frustration with it is the price,
00:54:21
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and also it seems like I think I have to,
00:54:25
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I think I could sign up and it's a trial and then they'll charge me but it's one of those
00:54:28
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things where, yeah.
00:54:29
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It's the standard Apple 14 day but like the, you know, the cancelling is better but still
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not great, you know.
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What would you like to see improved upon to kind of make travelling better?
00:54:41
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For me, one that jumps out is USB-C. The rising of USB-C for me makes things a lot better
00:54:51
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because, you know, I think about most of the technology that I bring with me on a trip.
00:54:56
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If USB-C could make it to iOS devices, it'd be the only cable I would ever need. And I
00:55:01
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would be, I would like that, to not have to be like, "Did I have such and such cable?
00:55:06
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Did I have X cable? Did I have Y cable?" It's just like, bring a bunch of cables,
00:55:10
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they're all the same. I like the idea of that.
00:55:13
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Yeah, it's going to be a long time before USB-C is common because USB-A is so common.
00:55:19
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we still have hotels with dock connector radios and things, right?
00:55:23
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The one I'm looking at right now has both a dock connector, a lightning, and micro USB,
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so this hotel is with the times.
00:55:31
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That's actually pretty impressive, because most of the hotels I stay at still have the
00:55:35
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dock connectors. They got burned, they aren't going to reinvest in their hardware, so it'll
00:55:40
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be a while. USB-A, the nice thing is, we'll have adapters or converters or something,
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and we'll get there eventually.
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I think that one of the nice things about the fact
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that basically all electronic devices charge on USB is
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airlines started to add power plugs
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and now they seem to have converted
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where they are embracing USB, which is better
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because especially if you're flying between countries,
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everybody's USB plug is the same.
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- Yeah, exactly.
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- Instead of having to adapt it.
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And they're small so that you can put them,
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more than one of them in a place.
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You know, you put two or three in the same place
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that you put one of your enormous UK plugs, right?
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- Safe UK plugs.
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- Yeah, it's safe and enormous.
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- So, and enormous.
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Anyway, yes, so that would be,
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the more USB the better, I think, in general.
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USB-C will get there eventually but just having USB would be everywhere.
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Adam: And also as a man who lost his wallet six days before he was going to be taking
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international travel.
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I had to get all the cards replaced and ID replaced.
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I can't believe that our money has died behind these pieces of plastic that could
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I find it just started to make me think about the fact that we still don't have a real
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kind of digital lifestyle in this way like Apple pay is great but it's still
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tied to your card it's still tied to a card it still doesn't work everywhere
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and it's still limited by price what do you think a bank would one day will do
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a like an Apple pay credit card that look they literally never send you a
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card there's no reason why they couldn't all they need to do is generate a number
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it doesn't need a car but they do yeah like I know that it's tricky because of
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of things like the numbers on the back, the CCV numbers and stuff, but you could work
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around that.
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But my thinking is just, why doesn't my bank just have an app which is this payment app
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which ties into Apple Pay?
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That's all I ever do.
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And I know there's so many things about the system that are not built for this, but it's
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crazy to me that I can lose my wallet and then I have no money.
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But think about it, you could lose your wallet but you still had Apple Pay.
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I did, which was great, but then I had to cancel my card and I couldn't use Apple
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That hasn't happened to me.
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When I've done it, they've sent me a new card and my Apple Pay has continued to work.
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It is dependent on bank implementation.
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So they changed the number of my card.
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They don't always do this.
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Because I lost it, they changed the number.
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And depending on how a bank implements Apple Pay, I'll dig in on this, there's different
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ways you can implement it and it can be that if the number is changed on the card, the
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long card number, which doesn't usually change when you have a typical renewal, it will cut
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the support. So my Apple Pay support was cut when my card was cut so I had no access to
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money and it just made me think like, it is just surprising to me that we still have our
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money tied behind these little pieces of plastic. It just seems strange.
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Time to live the cash only lifestyle, Myke. Just cash, cash, cash.
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That's going in the wrong direction, Jason. Cash it in now.
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You're not doing this correctly. That's the wrong direction. It was good that we
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weren't from cash to cards, but now we need to go from cards to cash.
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Back to cash. God, no. I think we have to move on. I think it's
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asks, "What is Jason's preferred Blu-ray ripping method and equipment used?"
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Well, I'll reference a post that I wrote a couple of years ago on six colors that maybe
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we can put in the show notes.
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Of course it will be in the show notes.
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is about how I rip Blu-rays and I go into all the details. I bought a Blu-ray USB drive.
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The post is quite literally called "How I Rip DVDs and Blu-rays."
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Yeah, oh that's it. And it's got a link to the drive that I bought on Amazon for, I don't know,
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$50. It's a USB Blu-ray drive and I use MakeMKV as the name of the software that extracts Blu-ray
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and turns it into a giant MKV file.
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And then you can either use Handbrake at that point,
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or you can use Don Melton's transcoding scripts,
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which are a little harder to set up.
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And if you're afraid of the command line, like Myke--
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--don't do that.
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But Don has done a lot of work with presets
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to make the best trade-offs.
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But you can also just use Handbrake at that point
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and point it at the MKV file and do it.
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And I still do it that way.
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And then at that point, I put it on my server
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and it's on Plex and I can watch it on my TVs or my devices wherever I want.
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Yeah, if I have ever ripped a DVD or whatever, I do it via Handbrake.
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Yeah, and Handbrake doesn't do Blu-ray directly, basically, so you use MakeMKV, which is not
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free, although it may be free to try, but it will do the job of pulling out the video
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file and that's what I do because I prefer in general, I'll play a Blu-ray from time
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to time but our Blu-ray player is our Xbox and so you know you start up the Xbox and
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then you have to launch the player and it's got unconventional controls because it's
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a game system and it's not my preferred way. I actually would rather rip that Blu-ray
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and then just watch it on Plex. Ben has been looking all over. He's done
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"He's done his research and he's coming to you because he cannot find the answer to his
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question. Ben wants to put his photos library on multiple Macs without iCloud. Is this possible?"
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If you have a server or some device running with like an AFP, like a standard Apple kind
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of server connection and I think it's going to be an HFS volume connect by the
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AFP maybe SMB will work too. Basically if all those things are right you should be
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able to open that library over the network but it's gonna be really slow
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unless you're like on a gigabit network and all your computers are wired but if
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you're over Wi-Fi and it's a big network or a big library it's gonna be really
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slow. So it's not really made to do this outside of iCloud that's sort of the
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the point of it. Can you save the location of the library in a cloud storage solution?
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The location of the library? Because the library it's pulling from, like, it's a file, isn't
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it? It's like a big bundle file. Well, yeah, it's a package with all the files in it. So
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you have to put that somewhere where photos can read it and photos want it to be... So
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could you put it in Dropbox for instance? No. Okay. It has to be... And I don't, yeah,
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that's a bad idea. Okay. Because then it would sync it, but they'd get out of sync and that
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That would be incredibly bad.
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I don't recommend it.
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- Do not follow Myke's advice.
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- No, you can't do that.
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So I'd say, I hate to say it,
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the other solution here is to buy a big hard drive
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and put it on the hard drive
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and connect it to the computer you want to.
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And that'll be the fastest of all these solutions.
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Just walk it around.
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But Photos, the app, is not made to do this
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because they want you to use iCloud.
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And if the alternative is to use some other system,
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But yeah, so there are ways, but they're not ideal.
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O-Plays asked, do you buy the cellular and Wi-Fi iPads,
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or just the Wi-Fi only ones?
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My current iPad is a cellular plus Wi-Fi.
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I think I wrote a six colors piece about this too.
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Of course you did.
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Of course you did.
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Well, you got to use all the parts of the Buffalo.
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So yeah, my rationale was that I wanted it
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for kind of flexibility, since this was the iPad Pro,
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I expected to use it for a while. And since it's kind of unlocked, it gives me the flexibility
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to – I have the T-Mobile deal where I get 250 megs or something of free data every month.
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It's not a lot, but there's a little bit there.
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I signed up for that actually.
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And the reality is I basically never use the cellular features on it. And I have it. It's
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like that range anxiety we're talking about. I am almost never in a place where I don't
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Wi-Fi and am using an iPad. If I'm at a cafe, they have Wi-Fi. So it very rarely happens.
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I thought about it that if I had it, I might use it in places like cafes where the Wi-Fi
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is poor. I might use the cellular instead and not bother with the cafe Wi-Fi and not
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get frustrated by it. But if that had happened enough, I would have done that by now. It
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It would take one call to AT&T and $10 a month to put this on my AT&T plan and I haven't
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done that either.
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So I've got it and I've got it sort of for safety and comfort but in reality, I don't
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Adam: So my travel iPad, my 9.7 is cellular, my other one isn't.
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And the reason I bought the Wi-Fi and the 12.9 is I wasn't sure if I was going to
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like that device when I bought it.
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I was interested in it but I wasn't in the iPad camp that I'm in now and that's
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fine because that device stays at home right so it doesn't need it but the 9.7
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it comes out with me and I use it whenever whenever I travel I use the
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Celia on that thing because most of the places I go to in the US is faster and
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so I get the T-Mobile because I have a T-Mobile account and so I get that right so I
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sign up and I have a US T-Mobile account because I have a US T-Mobile SIM for my phone
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- And then it's easy to buy more data from T-Mobile,
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which is why we give you the free.
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- Or anywhere.
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I use this all over the world,
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because you could just use,
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I have an Apple SIM in there,
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so I can just buy anything.
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Any plan for like a set period of time.
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- In fact, I thought about doing that here in Ireland,
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and I haven't done it,
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but I've thought about the same thing, right?
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You just, with the Apple SIM,
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you just turn it on and see what you get
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and what the deals are. - If you travel,
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I think you should get the cellular.
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- Yeah, for me it's just that I always have my phone
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with me in those circumstances,
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and so it's generally not a big deal.
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- Tethering is good and I tether a lot,
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but I also like having my own connection with the--
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- Yeah, I'd use it more. - 'Cause then I'm draining
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the batteries of both devices, right?
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- Yeah, I see it, and I would use it more.
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I mean, I would use it if I had it,
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but it just hasn't escalated at the point
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where I thought I need to do this.
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- Yep, that makes sense.
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Dave asked, "Given the success of Amazon's Echo,
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"do you think that they would make
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"another attempt at a phone?"
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If you remember, they made a phone called the Fire Phone.
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I don't think that these two things go together.
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The Echo's success
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is not a story that's easy to tell,
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because they may have sold 150,000 of those,
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for all we know.
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- There's just a chart.
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- Because they don't talk about it.
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- That's right.
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- The success that we refer to is how people that use it
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feel about it, and a lot of people that own one
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really like it.
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Does that translate into other people buying them?
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We have literally no idea right now.
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- And phones are just entirely different devices.
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- It's a completely different thing.
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- In fact, you're seeing Android phone makers
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talking with Amazon about integrating the Echo technology,
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the lady in the canister, into their devices.
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- Which makes a lot of sense.
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So does Amazon really want to build hardware
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that's a vehicle for this?
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- They failed so hard with that Fire Phone.
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- They could try, they could scale it back, right?
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They could do something that was an Amazon phone
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that's stock, you know, that's,
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'cause Amazon's not out of the Android business, right?
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The Fire tablets and the Fire TV are all Android-based.
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So they could do a new Fire Phone
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that is much more stock Android-like,
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much more much less like 3d cameras and super weird and integrate this
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technology this voice technology I think it's possible I'm sure they're
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prototyping stuff like that all the time because it's not like they have they
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have a custom version of Android that has their own App Store it would not be
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it would not be a lot for them to do this and now they have their their
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voice agent but I would say that it would learn the lessons of the fire
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and be a much more understandable normal phone.
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And then they would use the power of Amazon, right?
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They'd use their ability to, you know,
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maybe it's got a, for Prime members,
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there are features that it has.
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Maybe if you're a Prime member,
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you pay very little for your service or something,
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and it's a weird reselling.
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I don't know.
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It's possible, I guess, I would say,
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but it's not gonna be, it's not gonna be a Fire phone.
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And I do think that they got burned a little bit.
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- I think so. - By the Fire Phone.
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- Oh. - Yeah.
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And so I think they're gonna be a little more careful.
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- Finally today, Brent asked,
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"Do you think that the new modular Mac Pro
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"will be previewed at WWDC or the fall event
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"like the trash can was?"
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Brent, I think it's too early.
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I think WWDC 2018 will be the first time
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we see anything about this product.
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- Yeah, you may be right, 'cause the idea here,
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most people seem to believe that this is a relatively
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this is a relatively recent decision on Apple's part.
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- Yeah, like it's from everything I'm hearing and seeing,
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like it was maybe a matter of weeks
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from when this thing became an actual thing
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before we found out about it.
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- What they said was that they said they made this decision,
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they didn't make this decision this year,
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but if that's true, I would say it happened in December,
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because it has not been very long,
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and I've heard that it's been a much more recent decision
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than that from some places. - It's like they maybe,
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I think Apple's being careful
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about the way they're talking about it.
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I think they began thinking about if the Mac Pro was going to live again, maybe about four
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or five months ago, but the actual, like, "Do we have a product we can make?"
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I think that has been a very recent decision.
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And it takes a long time to make a new product, so if they only now are discussing what the
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new product is going to be, I think we'd all like them to do sort of a crash course
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here and get it out quickly, but it's going to be next year, and so, you know what?
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I don't see them showing a Mac Pro at the iPhone event, right?
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I don't think it's going to happen.
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So more likely they will…
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You're right.
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I think if I had to say what the most likely time that Apple would show a new Mac Pro,
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it would be WWDC 2018.
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I think that's fine.
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I mean, Mac Pro buyers want it sooner.
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They'll want it January 1st.
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But that's not going to happen.
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- The iMac, I think the iMac will fill a gap
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for a lot of people, but we need to see that soon.
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- Yeah, what's that new iMac and what's that iMac Pro style,
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the higher end iMac, we'll see.
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- What's that gonna look like?
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And I think that's gonna help a lot of people.
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And at least they may show in this announcement
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a renewed commitment that makes Mac Pro owners happy.
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They may be show something which is like,
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ah, there you go.
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that's the type of thing we want to see, right?
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And that may help kind of keep the goodwill going
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with the idea that Apple knows
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and maybe we'll give updates, you know,
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to say, "Hey, we're still working on it."
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And this is the type of thing we're thinking about.
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But I think it would be from a goodwill perspective,
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like the biggest bang for your buck,
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the place you do this is at WWDC.
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You've got all those people in the room,
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you got some whooping and some hollering,
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'cause that's not gonna happen anywhere else.
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But it will happen at WWDC.
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And if they can get a product out before then,
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I'll be surprised, right?
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Like, this stuff takes a long time.
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- It takes a long time.
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- It's not, this isn't a quick thing,
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especially if they are, they are starting from scratch.
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- And if you listen to, which people showed
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the excellent ATP from last week,
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they went through the list of things this needs to do,
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and I would say, think back to the Power Mac G5.
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The Power Mac G5 enclosure
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was also the Mac Pro enclosure until the trash can.
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That was a decade long enclosure.
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And it varied on the inside.
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They did some different things in different models,
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but they built something to last
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and be a platform for different technologies
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to come in and out, to have different kind of airflow
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systems all still running sort of front to back.
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And they had the water cooling at one point,
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and they changed processor architectures
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but kept the device the same on the outside.
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I would think that if Apple's going
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to pay all this attention to the Mac Pro this time, when it
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obviously, large parts of Apple don't want it
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and don't think that it's going to be the best return
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on the investment, but it's something they need to do.
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Well, if you're going to design it--
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and I'm managing that.
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I'm gonna say, "Design me something
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"that's gonna last me 10 years
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"that is as flexible as possible.
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"Put in the work now so we don't ever have to work
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"on this thing again in the big picture for a decade.
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"And we'll tinker around the margins after this,
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"but this is your shot to get something,
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"and I want it to not,
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"I want you not to come back to me in three years and say,
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"Oh, we didn't anticipate this thing.
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"Anticipate all the things."
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- This is, this should be the last one, right?
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Because if you imagine in 10 years time,
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it's very likely that technology's moving
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in a different direction that we can't anticipate.
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- So approach it that way.
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Take your time.
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And my point is, if you're gonna do that,
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you're not gonna slap something together in six months.
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- And it's not gonna be a triangle.
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- And it's not gonna be a triangle.
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Triangles are scary, they'll kill you.
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Stay away from triangles, go back to squares.
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- You hear what I mean?
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I would be very surprised if we get a whiz-bang-dazzle machine.
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- No, I think it'll have a sleek case
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with some curves and things. - It will look beautiful.
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- But in the end, it's gonna be a box
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with a computer in it. - You will see that
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a lot of function won out of a form
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in the overall industrial design.
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- I feel like-- - Which is the right way to go.
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- In fact, I feel like the story here
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is ultimately going to be that story,
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which is people who thought even the Mac Pro
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should have consumer things applied to it,
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which is we're gonna do wacky stuff
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that's right at the edge of tolerances
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and make this trash can Mac.
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They want out over the people who are like, "You know what?"
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People like Marco and John who say, "You know what we really want is you to update
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the chips every year with the fastest chips possible, and that's all we really care
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This decision seems to be finally an understanding within Apple that that is the right approach,
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that that is the way to do it, that the pro market doesn't need to follow consumer rules.
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It needs to be served.
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But it may take some time for them to get that final product out because I do think
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they need to do it right, not just do it fast.
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Let me do my best Johnny Ive here.
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We see designers more than just on the outside.
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Design is on the inside too.
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And then he opens the case, right?
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And they show all the wonder that sits inside of the Mac Pro.
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But there'll still be a curved something or a funny something and all that.
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And they'll say, "Look, it has flourished."
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Chamfered cases.
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Once you see the rose gold of the new Mac Pro.
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Yeah, that's what I want. That's how you get me to buy one. Put it in rose gold.
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I think that wraps it up for this week.
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I think so. It's been a pleasure to have two upgrades in person with you.
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I know. We'll do it again before the end of the year.
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Certainly in June, right?
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June. Maybe in August.
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Maybe if I come to Memphis for Relay Host Con.
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Members in Memphis. We'll see. But yeah, thank you so much for listening to this week's episode
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of upgrade. If you want to send in Ask Upgrade questions, just tweet at us with #AskUpgrade
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and we'll answer your questions at the end of the show. If you have a small talk topic
01:17:49
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that you would like me to discuss with Jason, #SNELtalk.
01:17:51
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Thank you. Small talk, you're confusing it. They're going to give you a #smalltalk.
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Well that's going to go to somebody else. That's nothing to do with me.
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Okay, that's to Jason Small. Questions, Ask Upgrade, small talk is SNELtalk.
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Okay, good. I see what you're doing there.
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I'm phrasing, I'm making sure the questions are diverged.
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We're in sync now.
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want people to ask me what do you think about the Mac Pro in Snell Talk. That's what that's
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for. It's like, you know, how's the baseball season? I'll just say it's good. It's good.
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The Mac Pro's doing great. I've seen it, it's lovely, and then we just move on. It's just
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small talk, so we're not going to get into details. If you want to find Jason online,
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he's at Sixcolors.com. If you want to go to find more of his shows, they're over at The
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Incomparable. Of course he has many more, and Relay FM as well. We're going to be recording
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- I'm doing Clockwise live at all,
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and we'll be doing that in person.
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I'm gonna be taking the place of Dan Moran for the day.
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If you wanna find Jason in person for the next 48 hours,
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he's in the EuroPoto on Killarney in Ireland.
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- I hope you're in Killarney, otherwise you won't find me.
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- You can find him in, I don't know, after the secret word.
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What's the secret word this time?
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- Pineapple.
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- Pineapple, say pineapple, and we got a sticker for you.
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- I got some stickers.
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- You got the stickers.
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- Pineapple the mic.
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- If you're here, if you're at the Europe
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and you say pineapple, say pineapple sticker
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'cause then I'll remember 'cause last year
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we said banana, people keep saying banana to me,
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I had no idea why they were saying it to me.
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- No, you could do it at home.
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- And I will give you some stickers.
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And I'm online, I'm @imike, I-M-Y-K-E.
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Thanks again to our lovely sponsors of this week's episode,
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The Fine Folkover at Encapsular Squarespace and Mac Weldon.
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But most of all, thank you for listening
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and we'll be back next time.
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Say goodbye, Jason Snow. Goodbye, Myke Hurley.
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