162: The Spider Is a Metaphor
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From Relay FM, this is Upgrade, episode 162.
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Today's show is brought to you by Encapsula, Flight Logger, and Freshbooks.
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My name is Myke Hurley, I'm joined by Jason Snell.
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Hi, Jason Snell.
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Hi, Myke Hurley, how are you?
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I'm very well, how are you?
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Well, I am completely out of sorts because my iMac is not in front of me right now.
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And I do think people want to hear about that.
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Nobody cares about that right now.
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Later we can care about it.
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But right now, nobody cares about what computer you're using because it is time for everybody's
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favorite segment of the show, #SnellTalk.
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And today's #SnellTalk question has been sent in by Reid, and Reid wants to know, "Jason,
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how did you celebrate your birthday?
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Happy birthday, Jason."
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- Oh, thank you. You know, it is a, it was just a work day. So I didn't work as much
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as I would normally. I watched some baseball because my birthday tends to coincide with
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baseball playoffs and there are always interesting baseball games on television. So I watched
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some of those and had lunch with my wife because she had kind of a weird schedule on that day
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too and then we all went out to dinner with her parents actually were in town so we all
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went out to dinner to a nice restaurant and she bought a cake that was very nice and that's
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the kind of cake that I like from the place that I found a cake that I like because I
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don't like a lot of cakes.
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Did the wait staff sing happy birthday to you?
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No in fact there was a very dicey moment when the guy came with the bill and my mother-in-law
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mentioned that it was my birthday and the guy looked at me like it's your birthday do
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Do you want a dessert?" and I said, "Well, first off, we already told you we don't want
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a dessert because we have a dessert at home, we have the cake. And second, I don't, let's
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just..." I shut him down.
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They really wanted to put a candle in that dessert for you, Jim.
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It was not that kind of restaurant, but like seriously, no. I, um, no. Don't, don't, and
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that is a pro tip, by the way. When there are servers around, when your waiter is around
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at a restaurant, don't mention that it's somebody's birthday because they will listen and then
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It gets weird.
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Unless that's what you want to happen.
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Unless that's what you want, but I said pro tip, not amateur tip of somebody who's excited
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to make the waitstaff at a restaurant sing non-proprietary birthday songs to them. But
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you're a pro, you just let it go.
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So we're going to be together next week, which we'll talk about in a moment, and I'll do
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my level best not to mention to any waitstaff that it's your birthday during that period
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Well, it'll be too late.
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But they won't know that, Jason.
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You will invest your chance.
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They won't know if I say it. They will. They're probably people who go get the birthday thing
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every time they go out to dinner because nobody is checking their ID.
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Yeah, free cake. So we are going to be together next week, so if you want to send in, you
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can bear that in mind of your Snail Talk questions. #SnailTalk if you want to ask a question to
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start the show and you have a rare opportunity to ask something that I don't know what we
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would do or what difference it would be because we're going to be looking into each other's
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of the Zeis when we record the show, but it could open up some opportunities for some
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new and exciting Snail Talk questions. We're going to be at the Release Notes conference
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next week. So if you're going to be there, it's going to be in Chicago. If you're going
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to be there, come say hi. We're doing a couple of event things, but they're like ticketed
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events, so that's going to be a, they're already gone. So we're doing a live episode of Connected
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and the tickets are already gone for that. But there is going to be one public meetup
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that we're going to be a part of which I'm doing as part of the Pan-Addict podcast.
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We're going to be having an open house at Field Notes, the notebook company.
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We're going to open the house with them.
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They have like a Facebook event thing.
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I'm going to put that in the show notes because if people do want to come by, this will be
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a really cool event to go to.
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Then you can come to a high…
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That's Friday, right?
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That's on Friday.
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It's on Friday, October 13th.
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Yes, I will not be there.
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So don't look for me.
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Well, you could look for Jason, but you won't find Jason.
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tip, don't look for me, because if you were an amateur tip, then you will look for me
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and not find me, and pros don't like to fail.
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We're all about pro tips today. Lots of pro tips on this show.
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This is the pro tip edition. Pro tip. So yeah, we're going to be at Release Notes,
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if you're going to be there, please come and say hi. If you're not, we'll be doing stuff,
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if we're going to do any kind of a public event, we'll tweet about it or something,
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but we don't have anything on the cards right now for that. But if you're in Chicago, I
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hope that we're going to see you next week.
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I don't think on the cards is the way that works,
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but that's fine.
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Maybe there literally are cards that you've got.
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It's in the cards.
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It's not in the cards.
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- You don't know how I set up my calendar.
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It could just be very card based.
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- You could have an entirely card based planning system.
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Maybe that's what they say in England.
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It's not on the cards.
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- Yeah, it's a card based calendar system right there.
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There's been a follow up for watchOS, watchOS 4.0.1 has been out in the last week or so
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and it specifically called out fixing the captive Wi-Fi bug that we've been talking
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about over the last couple of weeks that a bunch of people are seeing where the Apple
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Watch was trying to connect to open Wi-Fi networks that didn't have passwords for.
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Apparently Apple has done something to fix this and that's watchOS 4.0.1.
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I've never seen this problem myself personally so I can't attest to whether it's been improved
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but this is a bug fix that we were waiting for.
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Yep, yep, this is the, yeah, you walk by some place that has an open Wi-Fi
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but you have to go on the in the browser to log in and it gets confused and it's bad. So this is
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good that they put this out there because it's being aggressive at trying to attach to Wi-Fi,
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but a little too aggressive.
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Upgrading and Rob has sent in an app to us called Half,
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that is called the Half App, you can go halfapp.co for this.
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It is an application for iOS and Mac OS
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to convert your images and videos to HEIF and HEVC.
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So we've been talking about, people have been asking us,
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we've got a bunch of questions,
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ask upgrade questions about this,
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like how can I do this?
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What's the best way to do this?
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This is an application that claims to do this, right?
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it claims to be able to take your photos and turn them into the smaller file sizes, the
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new compression systems that Apple have. Use of caution, I guess. I haven't tried this.
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I'm a little bit wary, personally, of sending my files through this conversion system, but
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this is an app that says it does it.
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>> Yeah, and it doesn't do batch yet, although they say that that's coming. And something
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-- so I said last time, and I'll say it again, that I don't like the idea. I think you should
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just keep your old photos the way they are rather than converting them because
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when you convert a lossy compressed file to a new lossy format there is some data
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loss that happens there. Now of course it's already compressed so there's a
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limit to you know it's already lost a lot of data. One thing that I like about
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what the half FAQ says is they're using the highest quality setting when they do
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this. So they're not. They're trying to not throw away more data on. You still
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get a size savings. So if you don't care about this, that's fine. It's just like
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my I looked at this and thought, You know what? I just I'll leave my old
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J pegs alone. So you'd really need to be in a space crunch. And if you are,
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then then so be it. But I feel like the you prefer probably rather just keep
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your originals around and you know, cloud storage is getting cheaper and
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on device storage is getting cheaper. The long arc of history. It's getting
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cheaper, maybe not right at the moment, but in the end, do you want to go through the
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trouble and then you've got two sets, so then do you delete your old ones or do they keep
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kicking around in a backup? I think it's kind of a mess, but if you really want to do it,
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yes, this is an app that will do it and they're going to bring batch processing in and they
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seem to be doing the right thing and trying to minimize the data loss that will happen
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when you do double lossy compression.
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Yeah, I am, it's good that this exists, but I'm definitely in the snow camp of just, I'll
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let it go in the future. I mean, I haven't even converted on my iPhone yet. I'm keeping
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it as JPEG because I haven't upgraded my Mac to High Sierra. Like I'm just waiting to be
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in a position where I've got everything running and I have no intention of upgrading to High
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Sierra right now. So I'm going to keep everything in JPEG for the time being. I mean, I have
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more than enough space on my devices but in the future I will move to these systems once
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all of my devices I'm comfortable to have them all support it because I'm really sure
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I really like you know I just can't see myself going back to my archive and trying to convert
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it but exactly yeah 100% so it's like I'm just kind of like I know it's there it's going
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to be great when it's there I'm not using it at all right now but one day I will you
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know that's kind of I feel a lot that way about a lot of the things that are in High
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High Sierra like APFS.
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Right, like I'm using it on my iPhone, on my iPad
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and it's fine, but I'm really kind of hesitant
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to put it on my Mac right now.
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I'm just a little bit like, I'm just gonna give it some time
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because I don't need High Sierra for anything
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and considering some of the stuff that High Sierra is doing,
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it feels to me personally like a higher risk upgrade
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than normal, so I'm kinda just gonna wait for a little bit.
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- Yeah, I can see that.
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So yeah, we spent a bunch of time talking about Twitterrific for Mac when they were
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running their Kickstarter campaign.
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And the Kickstarter campaign was funded and they've had Project Phoenix in beta and now
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it is going to be available to everybody on Tuesday the 10th, so tomorrow as we record
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this, Twitterrific for Mac will be available in the Mac OS app store.
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But Kickstarter backers like me and you, we got our copies of the full final version of
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terrific mac a few days ago and I wanted to know Jason as a person who loves
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terrific used to terrific on all the devices what are you thinking about this
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application using it like how do you feel about it I am using it I've been
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using it more the last couple of weeks it's it's been in beta for a while but
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it's one of those things where it's not it was under construction it was
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definitely a beta and so I would use it for a little while but I hadn't gotten
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and gone full in.
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And there's still some things that it doesn't do
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that I miss from the Twitter for Mac app,
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because it has access to features
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that Twitterrific doesn't have access to,
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because it has to use the API.
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And Twitter for Mac can use secret Twitter stuff.
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But I like a lot of things about it.
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It's customizable.
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You actually can hold down the option key
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when you open the preferences
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and you can even build your own custom theme.
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It looks good, syncs with the iOS stuff
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and looks very much like the iOS app in a lot of ways.
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There are things about it that are a little weird
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that are gonna either take some getting used to
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or some refinement on the icon factories part.
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I'm not sure how well some of the interface translates
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from iOS in terms of things that like in iOS,
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you can get to threads and replies by swiping
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and on the Mac, they don't do that, which is fine,
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but I end up trying to click on things
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and I end up in this weird position where I'm like,
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how do I get the thread to show up using my mouse
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instead of like my keyboard, I can do it with an arrow key,
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but how do I get that with my mouse?
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And you know, and you can't swipe it.
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I just tried, I didn't even realize it would be nice
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if you could just swipe on the track pad over the items
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and that would be just like on iOS,
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but failing that some sort of a reliable
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kind of mouse gesture and it's not quite reliable.
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it feels like double clicking, it seems to do a lot of stuff,
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but there's something about double clicking,
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which feels weird to me.
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- Where you double click too, I have a lot of,
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sometimes there's a thread button that you can click on,
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but sometimes it's sort of like I have to double click
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in the margin because if I double click in the tweet,
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it doesn't do anything, but if I go out on the margin,
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it does, or it doesn't do it as reliably.
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And you know, it's a, for all of it's, you know,
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it's version 5.0, it really is in many ways version 1.0
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of bringing it back, but it's got a lot of stuff
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I really like and it's, yeah, it's a good start.
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And there are a lot of things I like about it.
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So I'm trying to use it, trying to use it more
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and we'll see how it goes.
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But there, yeah, I'm encouraged.
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It also has, it's one of these things that it's funny,
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Twitterrific on iOS has a mute and muffle feature
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where you can like, just like on Tweetbot,
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that you can hide stuff that you don't wanna see.
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And that interface doesn't currently exist
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on the Mac version, but the feature is there.
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So if all the stuff that I have muted and muffled,
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just like users of Tweetbot on Mac and iOS
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will know this as a feature,
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I have lost that when I switched away.
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Well, Twitterrific for Mac was so old
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and kind of out of sync that it didn't do it.
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But now it syncs together.
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So all of my mutes and muffles on iOS just work on the Mac,
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even though there's no UI for it yet.
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- Yeah, like I was playing around of it
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and couldn't find a way to do that.
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Or like, I was like, oh, where is that feature?
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But it's like, it's not here yet.
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- Yeah, the UI is not on the Mac side yet.
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It's only on the iOS side.
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So I'm sure they'll add it.
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And there's other stuff that I would like them to add.
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There's some, a lot of interface niceties
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that they had their list from their Kickstarter
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of the features that they needed to do.
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And so some of the stuff isn't there that I would like.
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Like I have individual lists called out on a sidebar in iOS.
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I would love to be able to do something like that,
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where I could take one of my lists
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and put it in the toolbar of my window
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so that I could just flip to a particular list
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instead of having to click the list button
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and then click the sports button or whatever.
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But yeah, it's getting there.
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And I guess I should bring up now
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the thing that I always bring up
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when I am talking about a Twitter client
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that is not Tweetbot, which is to say to everybody out there who uses Tweetbot, I have Tweetbot.
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I have used Tweetbot on all the platforms. You don't need to remind me that Tweetbot
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exists. I am aware of it. Doesn't work for me. Glad it works for you, but I am aware
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it exists. You don't need to point out that Tweetbot exists because I have found that
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if you discuss any other Twitter client, people who use Tweetbot emerge from the shadows,
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from a bush, and they say, "What about Tweetbot? Have you used Tweetbot? Have you heard the
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good news about Tweetbot?" And the answer is, "Yep, I heard it. I got it. It's fine.
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It's not for me, and that's fine." As a person who uses Chrome on iOS, I understand. I think
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that mine's a little bit more extreme, but people are just like, "Why don't you just
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use--" I just don't. I just don't. It's not what I want to do. I just don't. Myke, did
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Did you know that Safari is a browser that Apple provides?
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That's the good news about Safari.
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So I'll say, like, I've only really, like, tinkered around with, uh, with Tweetbot on
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the Mac a little bit, and I am struck at how much it feels like an iOS app.
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Like, it's a very strange feeling.
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It is a nice-looking application.
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I'm pleased that it exists.
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Do you mean Twitterific?
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I mean, but I think what you just said is true for Tweetbot is true for Tweetbot on
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the Mac, too, actually.
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I meant Twitterific, but it's 100% true for Tweetbot, although I will, for me personally,
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I feel like the Mac version of Tweetbot feels more like a Mac app than the Mac version of
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Twitterrific does.
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Oh yeah, well, and that's what I was saying about interface niceties. I think that's part
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of it, is that in doing a conversion from iOS to Mac, Twitterrific is still, you know,
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there are still a lot of things where, you know, if they were building it for the Mac
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or if they had more time to work on it, they would have made it more Mac-y, and there's
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some stuff where they obviously just chose to be like, "Well look, this is, we gotta
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to ship this first version, so let's just do it." Whereas Tweetbot has had way more
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time to be a considered refined Mac app, although there are still things in Tweetbot on the
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Mac that I think, "This is a little weird, right?" Because I feel like it's sort of riding
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on iOS conventions a little bit.
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Yeah, and like, even Tweetbot for the Mac doesn't have all of the same features that
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iOS does. Like, the iOS apps are more advanced, right? Like, they have their whole activity
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tab stuff, which doesn't exist in the same way on the Mac and things like that.
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Yeah, it's a bigger market. Yeah, and the Today feature, which is the equivalent in
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Twitterific is not on the Mac at this point.
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Maybe someday.
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- I hope that the response is good.
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I'm interested to see what the response will be like
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because calling this version five feels weird
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because you say it really feels like version one.
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- But it would need to be like what,
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Twitterific two version one?
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- Something that's strange.
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- This is the only way to do it.
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And I reckon probably that if you are a Twitterific user,
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you're just gonna be super happy with this
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because it exists.
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But I can't see them pulling people in
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from other Twitter apps right now with this version.
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You know, I can't, personally, I don't imagine like Tweetbot users or the official app users
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being like, "Great, I'll switch over to Twitrific now."
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Because the Mac app, this is a building, like this is a foundation to build upon.
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So I hope that it's successful for them, I hope that they can build a business on it,
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and most of all I'm pleased because you and John Siracusa finally get an app that you
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- Yeah, it's true.
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And John and I were both people who would like dig
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into the apps frameworks to customize the look
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and feel of the app.
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And it's nice that although it's basically unsupported,
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it's got that way that you can go in
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and build your own theme.
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'Cause I've totally done that.
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- And well, you know, I don't like their dark theme.
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The text is like gray on a,
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it's light gray on dark gray background.
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It's like, I hate that.
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I hate the lack of contrast.
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So I, you know, I could change it.
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And that's fun too.
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And I can change it in a UI instead of having to change it
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in a text file like before.
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So that's kind of fun too.
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- Feels like a good post for six colors
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to tell people how to do that 'cause I have no idea.
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- Yeah, I suppose so.
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I would like to talk about your Spider Mac.
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So last week before we recorded the show, if you listen live, and you can listen live
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to the show every week, go to relay.fm/schedule and you can find out when this show and all
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of our shows will be streaming so you can join in with the chatroom if you want, it's
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a great time.
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The live listeners last week found out that your iMac had a spider in it.
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This is true.
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This was a horrifying realization for me, as I am not a fan of the eight-legged creatures.
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Can you explain what happened?
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How does a spider even get into a computer?
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I can't explain what happened, Myke.
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5K iMac, unlike previous iMacs, was sort of,
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one of the things mentioned about its build
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was that the screen is a single piece.
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Like, it used to be you could pop an iMac's glass
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off the front with suction cups,
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'cause it was held on by powerful magnets,
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and then you could access the computer that way.
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And the iMac, the 4K iMac is, or 5K iMac, is a single piece.
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like the glass and the screen are all attached.
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And I think the implication there when we learned that
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was that that meant also that it was probably
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very tight fit, it's closer to the glass,
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there's maybe very little air gap, if any air gap there.
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Well, guess what?
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- It's big enough.
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- There is enough room in there and then somehow somewhere
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access in there that a small spider could crawl in there.
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And I heard from some, when I posted this on Twitter,
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I heard from people who said that they also had a spider
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or a fly or a couple people said ants had crawled into the space, the very small space
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between the glass and the screen from, you know, obviously had come in a vent and then
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crawled around inside my computer and emerged somehow in the screen at which point it died
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and sat in the screen.
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What I find interesting is that the spider died but it stayed in the same place. It must
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have been a real tight fit. Well yeah, I think that's it. It was a very tight fit. Well,
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it may have died and then fallen into a position where it stuck. That's possible. This makes
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me so uncomfortable to talk about. I didn't check with the medical examiner, the spider
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medical examiner about this. Spider Coroner. But whatever it was, it was sort of like,
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and you know, it was kind of like, I mean, I'm not going to shake my iMac like a tambourine
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or something, but it didn't seem to be movable. It was wedged in that spot.
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And as I asked at the time, attempting to poke it with the mouse pointer didn't do anything
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either. Just to check.
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Not a thing.
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Just to check.
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Not a thing. I moved my windows underneath it and no effect.
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Can I shuffle it down?
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It is an X-spider, yeah.
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So I mean, I just assumed that the screen was laminated, right? Like that was just,
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I mean, I assumed they obviously never said that, but like my mind was like, oh, this
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is laminated like the iPhones, right? That's just kind of what my brain had told me these
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computers were like, you know, like that there was no gap anymore.
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Sure. I, yeah, yeah. That's, uh, I, you're right. They never really said it, but you,
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your brain starts to think, oh, well, all of Apple screens now are just the glass and
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and the screen are all connected
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and that's how it works now.
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And nope, let me tell you,
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that was my moment when I saw it,
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I was like, what is that?
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And it's like, can I wipe that?
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And it's like, there's nothing there.
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That's a spider.
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It's under the glass, but over the screen.
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How is that possible?
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- The spider is coming from inside the glass.
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- It's from inside the glass.
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- Yep, it would've been worse if I knocked on the screen
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and it knocked back.
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That would have been worse.
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It would have been significantly worse if you saw it moving around.
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I feel like that would have been like just like a horror show.
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Well, yeah, but at least then there would have been the hope that I would come back the next day
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and it would be gone.
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It will have left its screen domain.
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And then I could just continue on with my life as normal.
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And they said that Max don't get bugs.
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Um, you, you...
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Spider's not a bug.
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Ah, come on.
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Give me that one.
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Give me that one.
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You wrote a post on Six Colors about this because you have to, right?
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You got to show the pictures to the world.
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But there was a thing in there that really stood out to me that this Mac was one of
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the first products that you reviewed on Six Colors.
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And I have one of these feelings of that feels like so long ago and not long enough.
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You know, like it was this weird like timeline freeze for me, right?
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It was like, oh wow.
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It feels, because one, it just feels like Jason Snell, he does Six Colors.
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That's just how you cemented in that.
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Since the beginning of time.
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You know, but like the Macworld stuff has mostly disappeared
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in my like association of you.
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So it's just funny. - That's three years.
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- Three years, oh my word.
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I guess it's as long as old as the show, right?
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Like we started it at the same time.
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But it feels like ages ago and not long enough.
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So what are you gonna do? - That's two weeks.
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- What are you gonna do about this thing?
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What's gonna happen?
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Are you gonna live with it?
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Have you given the spider a name?
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- I, no, I've not given the spider a name.
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So I could live with it.
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Dan Morin pointed out that he had an iMac that he used
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that had like a blue line on it for a couple of years
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and he just used it.
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And the truth is--
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- Dan Morin is a monster though.
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- Yeah, well, so yeah, I could live with it.
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But it's really distracting.
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It was driving me up a wall.
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- 'Cause it was basically dead in the center as well, right?
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Which is like the worst place.
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- No, it was sort of in the,
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it was not in the center, but it was in my working area.
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I mean, that's a big screen,
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but it was in my working area.
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And it's one of those things where, yeah,
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I could have avoided, I thought about things like,
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should I just put a sticker on there?
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Should I, can I find an app that will just float,
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or like block off that part of the screen
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and just like pretend that screen isn't there
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and just it's gonna emulate a much smaller screen.
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- Draw a little white line around the spider.
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- Like I've got two different virtual monitors
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on that screen, but the spider part is blacked out.
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Like I thought about all sorts of things like that.
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So yeah, I could deal with it.
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The thing is, so my thought process first,
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all right, let's walk through the thought process.
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'Cause of course I could live with it.
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I could live with it.
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It would be, it would,
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it would very, it would frustrate me
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and distract me on a regular basis.
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But I could live with it.
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I'm not gonna say I could get used to it.
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- But you're a grownup, right?
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Like you can deal with it.
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You're a grownup, right?
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- Yeah, but again, I might deal with it
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by putting a piece of tape on the screen or something like,
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but I could do that.
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So then I started to think,
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you know, your initial reaction is, you know, burn everything down.
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Time to get a new iMac. There's a spider in this one. Like, those are the initial reactions.
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And then I thought, well, this is a great computer. So if I, if even if I were to just like,
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say, forget it, this, this is, this is giving me a new one. I would want to put this one to use.
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and now I'm put in the position where I'm either handing down to one of my children
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or selling on the internet or on eBay or whatever a computer with a spider in the screen. So
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then it's like, "Here, enjoy this great iMac, why don't you want it?" Well, there's a dead
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spider behind the glass. "Oh, thanks for the spider Mac that you've just given me." So
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I thought, "Okay, I could live with it for a while, but ultimately I'm gonna want to
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get the screen. I'm going to either want to get the screen replaced or I'm going to want
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to get somebody to attempt to remove the spider from the screen. Whatever, however that works.
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The screen is like a $400 part I think. And getting in there is complicated because there's
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like it's all attached with tape now so you have to kind of like knife around the edges
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to get in and then you have to replace the tape and all of that stuff.
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this has become something that you can't really do anymore, right?
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- Yeah, it's not meant to be, I mean, iFixit does it, and it can be done, but it's not
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one of those things that is...
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IMAX screens are not a thing that you generally want to try to mess with yourself, also because
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like even in the old ones that were easier to pop off, the challenge is how do you...
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Okay, the spider's bothering you, but if you don't do it right, or if you're in the wrong
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environment when you put it together, you're gonna end up with like a dog hair and a fingerprint
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and some dust.
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You can have more spiders in there than you had before.
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- Or more spiders.
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Just dump in a tray of ants and then slap the glass back on
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and see, and you got an ant farm.
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- Well, you gotta send in something bigger
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to get the spider out.
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That's how that works.
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- Oh, that is, that is, that's good.
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They should make a song about that.
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Anyway, so I decided I would do that
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and that I would replace the screen.
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So what's ended up happening is I'm gonna get the,
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I'm gonna get either the spider remove evicted
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from the screen or replace the screen.
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And my iMac is gone.
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I've already taken it to the nice service people
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who are going to attempt a screen replacement on it.
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And what I also decided as a part of this whole conversation
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about the future of my iMac and whether I should just like
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set it on fire 'cause there's spiders,
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I have, I think come around to the idea
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that I'm gonna buy an iMac Pro.
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- Interesting.
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- So I'll fix this one and then I can sell it
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or pass it down when the iMac Pro comes out.
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- There could be some conspiracy theories
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brought about here, you know?
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Was the spider a plant so you'd buy it,
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you have a reason to buy it. - Was Jason Stelzien
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with a box of spiders in his garage?
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- Shiftily going into his garage.
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- For those who haven't been in my garage,
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I do not need to supply spiders.
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I live, I work in a garage.
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We have spiders.
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We have spiders in our house sometimes, we have them in our garage, there are a lot of
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them outside in the trees, there are spider webs on our car mirrors when we go out in
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the morning, there are spiders around.
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I don't need to supply spiders.
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This is a natural process that brings spiders into my life.
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So how did you get to this then?
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Why do you think that you want or need an iMac Pro?
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Well the short version would be it's Marco Arment's fault, because it's always Marco's
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fault because if you mention products around Marco, he will convince you to buy an expensive
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I once visited Marco and I think within 25 minutes had bought all new audio equipment,
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like new headphones, a new headphone amp and a new microphone.
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He has this horrible ability to make you see sense, but sense that is expensive.
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viewing it once you get, it's like the reality distortion field with Steve Jobs, it's a little
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like that. It's this sort of like once you start to view Marco's perspective, which is
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very much a, and it's not unreasonable, right? That's the thing that's dangerous about it.
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It's like, well, yeah, but if you look at it this way, you should buy the good thing
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because the good thing is good and you will use it. I mean, it comes across sometimes
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as him talking you into buying things and spending lots of money, but his perspective
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is usually a reasonable one, which is to get something good, you have to pay for it. So
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don't cheap out. Get the good thing because you're going to use it. This is not a thing
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that you're not going to use. You should get this. And I think that when he's talking to
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people he knows about this stuff, as opposed to maybe some of the stuff that he tries out
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himself, there's an extra burden when you're talking to somebody you know. And he knows
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how you use that audio stuff and that you're going to appreciate it and therefore it has
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value and that spending more money on it you're going to get the value out of it and so it's
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worth it. So that's basically what happened with me and the iMac Pro. He said, and he's
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completely right, he said, "You, me, Jason, use iZotope RX6, which is this audio software
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that does noise removal and echo removal and all sorts of other wild things. I've written
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about it a couple of times. I do a lot of podcasts with people who are not in ideal
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recording environments, and so I get files that are full of background hums from heaters
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and air conditioners and computer fans and sometimes in echoey rooms, and I process most
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of it to make it sound better, and that, using iZotope, and that is a piece of software that
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uses all the cores that you can throw at it, all the processor cores. And Marco is somebody
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who really is focused on processor efficiency, like he spent all that time working on multi--and
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he talked about it on ATP--working on multi-threading MP3 encoding because he got frustrated that
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the MP3 encoders were only using like two cores or one core and he wanted them to efficiently
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use all the cores all the time, right? But he's right, the tools that I use to do a lot
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of this are multi-core savvy and so I will benefit greatly from having an iMac Pro with
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that many many core processor that's very fast because instead of starting a denoise
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job and then walking away for 10 minutes, even on my i7 iMac, it takes forever to do
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that stuff. That it will happen a lot faster.
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The generation after you, right? Mine is completely maxed out. And if I ever use iZotope, and
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I use it every now and then, I don't use it nearly as frequently as you do, I'm always
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surprised by how long it takes because everything else is so quick. It's like, "Okay, I'm
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going to process this file. Okay, five minutes remaining. What?" Because everything else
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I do with audio on my iMac, it happens in seconds.
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Yeah. No, this is, and it's like, and if you've got like iStat menus on or activity
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monitor open you can see it just it pins the processors at 100 percent the fans spin up and
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for five minutes or whatever or longer it is just churning on this stuff it does an amazing job like
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that's why it's doing it the way it's doing it but it is incredibly processor intensive so um that
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that is uh also your iMac actually because it's the 2015 has the faster uh SSD faster storage
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transfer, it's like 2x of mine, and that's another place where I would get a benefit
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by getting a new iMac or iMac Pro is once I'm done processing these files, I have to
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save them, and the save takes forever. And now keep in mind also these are huge files,
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like when I do denoising for a session of Total Party Kill, the Dungeons and Dragons
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podcast that we do. So that's got like seven people on it. So I have seven
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uncompressed audio files that are probably four hours long each. Wow.
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Oh my word. That takes a long time and those are huge files and then you have
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to save them. So anyway, you know, Marko's point, he's right. Like I could, an iMac Pro,
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even though it would be by far the most expensive computer in terms of a dollar
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figure, not necessarily in terms of like actual dollars because of inflation and things like
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that, but the largest single amount of money I've ever spent for a computer if I bought
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an iMac Pro. I've never bought a $5,000 computer before. Generally, they're $2,500 computers
00:36:25
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at most. But would I use it and would it make my job easier and would everything go faster
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and would I be more productive? Yeah, actually, yeah, it's true, I would be. So maybe, we'll
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see. The good news is, like the 4K or the 5K iMac, sorry, the 5K iMac, my hope is that
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I will get to review the iMac Pro. Because that's what happened with the 5K iMac. I wrote
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a review of it, Apple sent me one and I used it and I wrote a review of it and I sent it
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it back to Apple. And before I had even sent it back to Apple, I had ordered one, right?
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So my hope is that it'll be something like that. I'll get to try it out and say, okay,
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let's see how this thing works. Another funny thing that actually works in my favor for
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the iMac Pro is that it's going to be VESA mountable. Unlike the current generation of
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iMacs where you have to order it as either one with a stand or one that's VESA mountable,
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which led to me carrying my iMac like a, I don't know, like a box of pizza when I was
00:37:33
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taking it in to get it fixed because it was off the arm and just this slab has no stand
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or anything. Anyway, the iMac Pro has, apparently it's like the old iMacs where you can pop
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off the stand and mount it, and it's just one configuration for both. Because if I do
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hand down my existing iMac, I'm gonna have to get basically either wall mounted somewhere
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or I'm gonna have to buy a VESA mount computer stand to stand it, because it doesn't have
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a stand of its own. It's made to be mounted. So now I'm leaning toward that. We'll see
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how it is. If I get to review it, that'll be great, because I'll get to try out the
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iMac Pro and see for myself how, if it's something I want to do. So yeah.
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That's awesome. I'm very keen to know how you feel about it. I can't see myself buying an iMac Pro. I don't need it. I'm good.
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I really do believe that the iMac that I have right now is going to be my computer for the next few years because I very rarely have to do anything like what you do.
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what you do because most of the shows that I do are with people that are in
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predictable environments, right? So like the amount of times that I have to do
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any severe audio processing is very minimal and a lot of the applications
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that I use that do require processing power, they're not fully optimized in a
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way that maybe iZotope would be, right? To use all of those cores. Yeah exactly.
00:39:09
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That's gonna be my argument when we get to the end of the year is, okay,
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this is what a $5,000 and I think a lot of a lot of people who are kind of on the
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pro side of Mac usage are going to have this moment which is what do I get for
00:39:25
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$5,000 with the base model iMac Pro versus what do I get for the build to
00:39:32
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order high-end iMac, 5k iMac and what's the difference there and what's the real
00:39:39
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difference there right because the true pinned multi processor you know multi
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core processor test the iMac Pro will undoubtedly blow away the iMac right
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yeah because it's it's it's made to do that but in your everyday life will you
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see the benefits and for a certain Steven Hackett about this too because of
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video stuff right like I also do for some of the stuff I do I do video stuff
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Stephen's doing a lot of video. Encoding 4K video is another place where it's like, "Wow."
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When I encode video for Total Party Kill, I often will just leave it overnight. And it doesn't take
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all night to finish. It finishes in an hour or two. But I just, at the end of the day, I'm like,
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"All right, export the file here." And I walk away because it is a long process. And that's just 1080
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video. So that's another... This is a question, do you do stuff that is going to use eight cores?
00:40:35
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No, like I don't or are you really just gonna benefit from by having a fast?
00:40:39
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i7 and fast storage and is that all you really need because even video I have absolutely no intention of doing 4k
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right and I know that like
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Stephen has all these problems and of trying to do with things in 4k
00:40:52
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Like I've had some people ask me questions about this before like Final Cut can deal with it
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But it is really tough and I guess an iMac Pro is built to handle these types of tasks providing the applications of
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Develop to take advantage of all of it, but it's more power than I need especially for how little time
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I you know in my life sit in front of my iMac like most of my
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Working time really is an iOS. So I'm kind of good, you know
00:41:19
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But I get why lots of people will look at the iMac pros why the computer should exist in the first place
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But I'm also Jason waiting. I'm waiting before I make any choices to see what the Mac Pro is
00:41:32
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That I just want to see right like my next computer and maybe two or three years
00:41:36
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Is it gonna be an iMac Pro or is it gonna be a Mac Pro? I don't know yet, right?
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And so I'm I'm keen to wait it out
00:41:45
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It's like another reason like just a way out any kind of upgrade to see
00:41:50
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Maybe next year what the Mac Pro looks like because you never know like it might be better for me for my things at that
00:41:56
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Point, but I just can't foresee it right now
00:41:58
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Yeah, I think
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You know pros of the Mac Pro is if a spider gets in your monitor, you can just get a new monitor
00:42:05
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Exactly, but I I don't know. I'm I'm I'm not sure that's a that's a path. I need to walk down
00:42:13
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But it is I can see how some people are gonna be and that that's Apple's intention was not to have a Mac Pro
00:42:20
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Right, so that there's the question of what's that Mac Pro gonna be?
00:42:22
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That's why I'm even more intrigued by it because it shouldn't exist. This should be it
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It's a product that shouldn't exist. It's true. And the iMac Pro was meant to replace
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it and of course now it's not going to replace it, which is a question of like, what's the
00:42:35
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iMac Pro versus the Mac Pro? That's going to be really interesting to watch. Yeah, so
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we'll see. But I'm now much more also as somebody who runs my own business and we have the way
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that the tax and structure of the business work, you know, we try to, this is boring,
00:42:50
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but forgive me for a second. We try to have the business be, um, break even basically
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because all the profit is then rules into our taxes
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and we have to pay our taxes anyway.
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So we rather the business break even
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and then we just pay the taxes on the money that we make.
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What that means, net result is at the end of the year,
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I'm seriously considering buying things
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because that helps make the,
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that's a good time to buy stuff
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is at the end of the year where we're wrapping up the books
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for the calendar year.
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And so buying an iMac or an iMac Pro in December,
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It's great. I hope it doesn't. I hope I can buy one in December and it doesn't.
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It doesn't get delayed to January cause then that will make me sad. But, uh,
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but yeah, so we'll see. We'll, we'll see. Um, but I,
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I'm now leaning that way because although the iMac that I have is amazing other
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than the spider and I really like it and it's so powerful and it's so great for
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so many things.
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The truth is that a lot of this stuff that I do does make me sad.
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does take a lot of extra power. And although it does it in an amazingly short amount of
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time, there now exist computers that could shave that time quite a bit. And, you know,
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it's not the stuff, it's not me typing words, right? It's not me looking at pictures. It's
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the churning through hundreds of gigabytes of audio and video and stuff like that. So
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So maybe, maybe. So this is the path that the spider sent me down, but in the end, the
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spider is a separate issue. The spider just sort of made me also think about, do I want
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to get a new iMac? Do I want to make sure that this iMac doesn't have a spider in it
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so that I can pass it down or sell it and get a new iMac? Because we got to that point,
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It's suddenly, it's like, I can't just freely at any point
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give this thing away or sell it
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because there's now a spider embedded in the screen.
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So it was the, it was a,
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it just forced me to think of the larger issues
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that I had been already thinking about
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involving my iMac and whether I want to upgrade
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after three years.
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- Spider is a metaphor, you know.
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- The spider makes, the spider makes us consider our lives.
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I think, Myke.
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It is emoji season.
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Apple have previewed more emoji.
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So if you remember a few months ago, Apple showed off some of the emoji that they were
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going to be doing.
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It included some of the elf and stuff like that, all of the mythical beings that they're
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putting in along with some of the other faces that they're adding.
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While they've now previewed even more emoji that are going to, and they've also said when
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we're going to get them, they're going to come in 11.1 which is also going to be in
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beta this week.
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So I think on public and developer beta they're going to be pushing the emoji out on 11.1
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and then 11.1 I reckon will probably come out around iPhone 10 time if not before.
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Some of the new emoji that have been shown are face with monocore which I will be using
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with abundance. Some gender neutral emoji for children, adult and older adult. Cup with
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a straw which is an emoji that I have wanted for a long time. One of the first conversations
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I had with Emojipedia maestro, Mr Jeremy Burge is why is there not a cup with a straw emoji
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and the reason this frustrated me is because in Apple's picker, you know like they have
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like the food picker, it used to have a cup of a straw in it.
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So there's actually no emoji for that, so that's coming.
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A smiling hedgehog, which is one of the cutest emoji
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that has ever existed.
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There is the American Sign Language sign for I love you,
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which I think is amazing.
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And I think will get used a lot, which is a great one.
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And there's stuff like sleds, curling stones,
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you need for curling. - Curling stone, yeah.
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- Which is just a beautiful emoji.
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It is beautifully done and just in time for the Winter Olympics.
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Because that's when people will use it.
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It's the only time.
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There will be curling.
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I will wear the curling emoji out in February.
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I'm telling you now.
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And also, one I think will also be used a ton
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is a shushing face.
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So a face with a lip to the mouth to be like shh.
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So that's a good one.
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That one's going to be used a lot.
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There's a lot of great new emoji coming in here.
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I'm very excited about it.
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- And it's probably-- - Smiley with a monocle.
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- Smiley with a monocle. - That kills me.
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I think monocles are hilarious
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and now there's a smiley with a monocle.
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So that one's gonna get used
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in all sorts of ironic ways, I think.
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That'll be great. - The swearing face,
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the stars in eyes, the vomit face,
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the mind exploding, the dinosaurs.
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This is a really great update.
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There's gonna be a lot in there.
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And as always, we spoke about this a bunch,
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adding new emoji drives iOS adoption
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because your friends start sending you emoji
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that you can't see.
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So you will update to iOS 11 as well.
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And there have been reports,
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and I'll put a link in the show notes
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to an article on MacRumors,
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that iOS adoption has been a little bit slower
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than usual with iOS 11.
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So it's currently installed, as of a couple of weeks ago,
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on like 25% of devices,
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but this is slower than it's been in the past.
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Like iOS 10 was at 34% at the same period of time.
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So it's not horrifically slower, but it is slower.
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And I will say personally,
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I don't know if you've seen this Jason, but this has I have not noticed this personally
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but I've been seeing a lot of people talking online and we had a
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Family dinner yesterday and every single member of my family was telling me about the battery life problems that they're having on their phones since iOS
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11 yeah, this is like after a couple of weeks of updating so that initial
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Processing of all the photos and whatever it does should be done by now
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But people were showing me you know like it was like one o'clock in the afternoon
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And there were like low power warnings happening on people's phones
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phones. So something going on in 11 I think for a lot of people.
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It's unclear right? I mean it's hard to pin down but I've definitely heard people report
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on it. Older models, this seems to have been an update that I've heard from a lot of people
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with iPhone 6s who have who say that it is really slow.
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Yeah this is predominantly 6 and 6s that are in the family that most of my members of my
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family have either an iPhone 6 or an iPhone 6s, and they were all having these problems.
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So I hope that, you know, something will happen here with 11.1 maybe to try and address some
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of this stuff. Apple has been pushing out a bunch of updates, you know, we've got a
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0.01, a 0.02, and I hope that some of that is fixing this.
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It does, it's interesting, I mean, you mentioned the emoji thing, and we, it's so easy for
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people to say, "I can't believe they're talking about emoji, this isn't particularly important."
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I will point out that Apple went to the trouble of doing an entire press release basically.
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- Two. They've done two now for this emoji release.
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- Yeah, well, right. They did one on World Emoji Day and now they've done a one on Friday.
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They did one about the new emojis in iOS 11.1. They know that this is a thing. It's funny
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that they come in the point one release and not in the point O release. I don't know what
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that is. Maybe that's just to spur people to update who have held out. There may be
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a strategy to it, which would be interesting if there's a strategy. Like the early adopters
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get the first version and then the laggards start getting, they demand the later version
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because their friends aren't sending them. But they know that this drives interest in
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the operating systems and it's this purely social way of forcing your peers to update
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because you need to update to see the emoji and to use the emoji, which people want to
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do once they once once these new if you use emoji it's like oh my god I can use
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that emoji now and like it's like the moment when Myke realized he could start
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sending the nerd emoji right it was huge so like if you think about it right
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let's let you well this the the the understood wisdom is that it does help
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push adoption so if you know this like if Apple will notice if you know this
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piece of information isn't it better to let the OS out to a small like a smaller
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a subset of users to make sure that you iron out any bugs before you push the update that
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forces the rest of the user base to update.
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I think that there is a logic to that.
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It is very, very normal for an OS to go out and there to be widespread problems that didn't
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come out in testing.
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This is just a normal thing that happens.
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It happens with all types of software.
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So it maybe would make sense to do the public beta, you find out what you find out, you
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push it out to everybody else and then you find out more stuff.
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Oh, there's battery life problems.
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"Well, let's fix those before we push out the update that makes the rest of our users
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update because they want the emoji."
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I can see why you would maybe stage this if this is the case, right?
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Because the emoji are done.
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They're showing them to us.
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They're done.
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Right, they're clearly done.
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And I don't think it is an incredibly difficult process of putting these into the OS.
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I can't imagine that it needs a team of 50 people to put the code points in.
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I wanted to mention, and this is something I find, because I find this emoji stuff fascinating,
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because it's like, as much as people kind of roll their eyes out, I feel like this is really
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meaningful. Like people are using this as a method of communicating. It solves a lot of problems that
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when we went to computer communication and plain text was all we had and you lost a lot of nuance
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of speech intonation and body language, right? That emoji is kind of like, become a way of
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bringing some of that back and it's got new meetings and I think it's going to be with
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us for a very long time to come. And so it constantly fascinates me. One of the things
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that I'm also interested in is how software provides access to emoji because one of the
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challenges is with all these new emoji, the emoji keyboard is unwieldy, right? And I feel
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like Apple still providing you a picker with a million smiley faces in it. It's like I
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know that you can now do the smiley face, you know, you type "pizza" and the autocorrect
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thing will suggest a pizza emoji to you, which is, that's a start, but I feel like there's
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more that needs to happen here in terms of clever ways to get people the emoji that they
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want. And I know there are like third-party emoji keyboards, but I want to see Apple,
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Apple's investing a lot in emoji art and rolling these things out and publicizing them. I'm
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not entirely convinced that the people who build the keyboard are, at least I
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haven't seen any evidence that the people who build Apple's keyboard app
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have really tried to think about better ways of doing emoji input and then and
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forget on the Mac, like on the Mac it's a complete disaster unless you're using
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slack basically and that needs to be better too because I, you know, these
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these are part of our lexicon and they need to be easier to use. I would say
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that the Mac is better because there's a search bar in the picker right at least
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has that well that right but you have to bring up the picker yeah which is yes a
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terrible you can't search in iOS right if you if you've got a you're just
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looking for a particular flag you can't search you you have to have the the auto
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correct bar up and then you can type the name of the country and it will do it
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it'll show I will say if you're using the messages app there is a software
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button for emoji as well which I always forget is there's like a little smiley
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face just in the message window but you know we use so many different
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applications and it would be better to have you know honestly I would like there
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to just be an emoji key on the keyboard right like that would just be great like
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just put a hardware emoji key on the keyboard and then I can just bring up a
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pic or I'd be very happy with that I use Gboard on iOS and it has when in
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their emoji thing it has a search view as a search field you can type in
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whatever you want they put in a bunch of different meanings right so like there
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are a lot of words attached to each emoji based upon what people actually use them for.
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Like there are some interesting ones, like if you search the word "but" a peach comes
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up. The peach comes up, yeah. Google understands, right? It's what people use these emojis for.
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Not that I ever send these types of emojis. No, you wouldn't do that. You're right about
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the smiley button in the text window. It's easy to forget. That's a nice place contextually.
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problem is it you know if access to emoji in certain apps right versus
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everywhere is yeah that's like slack for me slack has become the default way I
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use emoji in slack way more than anywhere else and it's because slack has
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built in really easy access to emoji you type a colon and you start to type a
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word that you think is an emoji and it and it pops up a little list above it of
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suggestions and you can pick one and hit return and you're done right it's so
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easy to do and that is a that emoji expression is now a native part of of
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slack and I you know I want an experience kind of like that and I don't
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know what that is whether there's a system wide keyboard shortcut for emoji
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search that inserts something because that's actually what I do on the Mac is
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launch bar has an emoji search and so I enter launch bar and type the name of an
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emoji and press return and it inserts it. And I do it that way.
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I can't let Slack get away from this conversation, though, without saying how terrible they are
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at supporting emoji. Emoji is a massive part of their system. It's in all their communication.
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Emoji is part of Slack's brand.
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They're like a year behind, two years behind, on the new emoji?
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They will now be a year behind on releases of emoji. So they haven't yet implemented
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the emoji from this time last year.
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From last year, yeah.
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mind-boggling. What is their problem? Mind-boggling because emoji is such a big
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part of their corporate brand. They use it everywhere. Yeah, then again I do use
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I do use custom emoji a lot in Slack which is kind of nice and that's not
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something that's real like that's not part of the standard but there is that's
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an interesting little lab for how people use if people can make their own emoji
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what which ones would take off and which ones wouldn't and I'm not yet ready to
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to follow in the footsteps of Mark Bramhill of Welcome to Macintosh and
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propose my own emoji even though I use the Skeletor emoji, well sorry,
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hooded skeleton all the time. Maybe someday we'll get a skeleton emoji.
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Maybe we could do a, I mean, I think there might be a skeleton emoji but
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it's not the Skeletor emoji, so maybe skeletons need a like a variant for
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yellow skeletons with hoods I don't know. Before we leave emoji corner there's two
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other things I want to bring up something was fascinating I saw this on the Emojipedia blog.
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Last week the whatsapp beta for Android got new emoji. Now just a piece of context which makes
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this very interesting. Jeremy Burge is a personal friend and we talk about this a lot when we talk
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about emoji. WhatsApp use Apple's emoji artwork on Android.
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The Apple emoji artwork on Android because they wanted to have all the emoji and WhatsApp
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look the same. And it is unclear if and how Apple allow this,
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right? Like, are they cool with this? Are they not? It's unknown. However, in the beta
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that was just released last week, WhatsApp have recreated Apple's emoji. They are new icons,
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but they are extremely similar to Apple's. Now this isn't in the release version yet,
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it's unknown if it will be, it's also unknown if it's also going to find its way to iOS,
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but it may look like, I think at this point, whatever was going on, Apple was maybe unhappy
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with it now and you know that this is what they have decided to do is to alright we're
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going to make our own and they're going to look exactly like yours. So that's the thing
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that's out there. It's a very interesting thing to see what's out there to make that
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Tim Cynova Yeah that's again fascinating. We've talked
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about it before on this show too because we both talked to Jeremy Burge a lot from Emojipedia
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about this stuff and he knows we're interested in this stuff and the emoji fragmentation
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issue always comes up, which is that every platform shows its own emoji. There's no—Unicode
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Consortium doesn't produce an emoji image and hand it out for everyone to use. Everybody
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has to produce their own.
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They produce a description.
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Yeah. And that can lead to interesting things like the cup with the straw, which in some
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places is a glass with a—you know, a clear glass with a straw dropped into it. And in
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other places it's a—like apples is a—it's like a white takeaway container with a lid
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and a red straw inserted in it.
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It's very different because they've interpreted it different.
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And that happens, the woman and man in the steam room
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are very different in some different ones
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where it's more of just a face with some steam
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versus somebody having like a back scratcher
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or something like that,
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where it's more like a spa kind of thing.
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And that's all up to the interpretation.
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But WhatsApp's always been interesting
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because they just basically just used Apple's emoji set
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on Android in order to keep them in parallel.
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And this is the big mystery is, was that allowed?
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Was that just a rogue thing that Apple didn't know about
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or didn't care about?
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Did, you know, did Apple give them a warning and say,
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you guys need to make your own emoji set on,
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at least for Android?
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We don't know, but obviously they have made
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their own emoji set.
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- Yeah, something's changed, but we don't know.
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Before we move on, Joe Steele was very rightly
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pointing this out because we've probably already had people
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that have sent this link to us.
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If you're listening to this show,
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there is this Mac app thing called Rocket,
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which kind of enables an emoji picker,
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which is very similar to Slacks Anywhere on Mac OS.
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- I tried it and I couldn't use it because it, yeah,
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it didn't, I was very excited about it
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and it works in some places.
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And then I started to, I can't remember now,
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basically at some point I thought,
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This is too far the other way.
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Jason, it's time for #AskUpgrade.
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First question this week comes from Anton.
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Anton wants to know, "What do I have to do to get photos to sync people and their faces
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between iOS 11 and High Sierra automagically?"
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Well, ideally you have to do nothing, although what you do need to do is train. It should work, but it doesn't always work.
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This seems to be the story with photos in iOS 11 and High Sierra right now, is that it should work, but it doesn't always work.
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I've seen people get it to work, and I've seen people not get it to work.
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The idea is that when you say it doesn't sync the face training data, but it will
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if you say this photo is of this person, that rides along with it, which
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allows the other device to train its photos more easily because it can use
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the data that you provided. So what you need to do is sit down at a Mac or I
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mean I guess you could use your iPhone or iPad to do this too, but sit down at a
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device and identify a bunch of the faces in your photos and start training it a
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little bit and then that should sync. One of the problems that I'm having
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and it makes me wonder if some of the battery things might be related to
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photos after all is it seems like photos is not indexing the photos
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in a reasonable amount of time like it should. I've had that
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happen where I've looked at my photo library and it says it's still scanning
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photos and it's been a while now and it's still scanning photos. So I wonder
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if there's some things going on there that are going to have to be addressed
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in an update, but ideally the way it's supposed to work is you train your
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faces. You say this is this person and there's a drag and
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drop interface. You can actually select a bunch of the same person and drag them
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on to the person you've already identified as that person and merge them
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all together and that sort of sweeps it up. They threw away the old face scanning
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interface and put in this brand new interface for iOS 11 so it's a different
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it's a whole different thing but it's very good at finding faces because I
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keep seeing people in my people library that are like pictures of people in
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screenshots I took and they're like oh there's a person it's like no that's
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just a guy in a screenshot or there's somebody who is on the TV in the
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background of this picture I took. Do you know this person? No, I don't know that person.
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When machine learning gets too powerful. Yeah, well it is like finding all the faces.
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So yeah, you're not supposed to do anything, it's supposed to just work. And if you're
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having trouble with it, I don't know what to tell you right now other than maybe try
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to give it a kick by assigning some faces. But don't expect a one-to-one correlation
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'cause that's not how it's set up.
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It's not going to,
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only the faces that you train are the faces
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that it knows are that person.
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It has to reprocess everything and get,
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ideally get using the same code
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to the same point on the devices.
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It's dumb, this is one of those things where
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I think Apple needs to spend more time
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dealing with photos, syncing and metadata across devices.
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And they've come some distance
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in the last year and a half but they need to go way way further down this path.
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I feel like we might be saying this forever.
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Steve wants to know is there an impact to picture quality if I select a new key
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photo from a live photo in iOS 11?
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Yeah I need to test this some more I think so I would like to think that iOS 11
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is shooting several photos that are stills and wrapping them up in the
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heath file, because remember the heath file can contain multiple images
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from like a burst, it can contain a video or just a link to the HEVC video. I need
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to take this apart.
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My assumption is yes, that if you pick a different key photo, because you don't
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have to pick the one that was actually selected, you can slide it around in the
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live photo and pick a different one.
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My guess is yes, but I don't know that 100%. I need to investigate this more. I'm
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planning on updating my book and some of this stuff has just gone by the wayside
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because I haven't had a chance with all the other stuff that's come out. So that
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one's on my list. I'm unclear what's happening because ideally what's
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happening in iOS 11 is when you capture a live photo it should be capturing
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video and it should be capturing more than one high-quality still and then
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ideally you could you could pick from the high-quality stills, choose a new
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key photo and it would still be a good photo instead of choosing a lower
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resolution video frame at which point you just got a low res video frame
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instead of your pretty picture even if it's a better pose it doesn't help if
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it's way lower quality yeah so that's what it does for pre ios 11 photos where
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you end up with a low quality image yeah but I would like my my hope is that
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Apple is taking advantage of their new file formats and maybe more powerful
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powerful hardware in later, in the more recent models of iPhone to pack more stuff in a live
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photo. But I don't know, I will, I'll investigate and ask Apple and I'll let everybody know
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sometime down the road about this.
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Logan wants to know, "What pre-order strategy should I use on the 27th for the best chance
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of getting an iPhone X? Multiple devices, use the Apple Store app and the website, just
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multiple devices, as many devices as you can get, try and use them all at once
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that's what I'll be doing I'm gonna be sitting at my desk with my iMac and my
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two iPads and my phone and across the swath of devices I will be attempting to
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put my pre-order in for an iPhone 10. Yeah if you had to if you had to choose
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one it would be an iOS device running the Apple Store app we we have
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discovered that lots of people do this because some enormous percentage of
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orders come through the Apple Store app for this stuff and people know it works
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but it works too because for whatever reason with Apple systems the app
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instead of the whatever web app they've got running on the website the the you
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know the app iOS app has access to the same back end stuff but is better
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connected apparently in some way or more robust in in connecting to it so but
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But yeah, if you really want to do it, be sure you're wide awake and have all your devices
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accessing places where you can buy these things and just be quick.
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John wants to know, on the Apple Watch, is improved series speed with the Series 3 tied
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to the LTE or will the GPS only version be faster also?
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I believe it's tied to the new processor.
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That's what makes it faster.
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Yeah, it's the new processor in the Series 3, it's not the LTE.
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Because most of the time the Siri stuff isn't going over LTE anyway, it's just processing
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on the device and being able to listen and being able to speak, which it can do. So it
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shouldn't be related to the cellular at all.
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All of the new Siri features including the speaker and like talking back to you, that
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is series 3, not necessarily L2, it's just the series 3.
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Kyle wants to know, for your various projects, is there always a specific time for uploading
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on a day or posting on a certain time, do we worry about that? Only for my calendar.
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I just do things on the day that I do them and I post them on the day that I do them.
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I don't spend a lot of time fretting over a perfect upload day and time for my projects.
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It's kind of just like when it's done, it goes up.
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Tim Cynova Yeah, I mean people will sometimes set their
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schedules around our release date and it definitely happens when an episode gets released later,
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notice which is great right? Although we feel bad in the moment it also means that we have
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an audience that actually expects us to deliver and I think that's great because that's what
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we should do and we generally do. We've trained them by being consistent and now they've come
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to expect it from us and we need to deliver but there's wiggle room in there. It's very
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rare that somebody says, "Oh well, you didn't release upgrade at 11 a.m. Pacific or 12 or
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or whatever, what's wrong if we do it at four. Maybe some people will, but it's not as big
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a number. I do for a lot of my stuff, it's, I know the release schedule even if nobody else does.
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I do, I push a lot of stuff out at eight or nine in the morning, my time, because I want it to be
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released that day and it's ready to go in advance. And I just set it to then, because then I'm awake
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and I can see that it's going up. Or I'll put, I'll either push it live or on the incomparable,
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I can schedule it to go live and I watch and see that it happens. So some of it is like
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that. So I will use a time like nine o'clock, just Pacific, just to get it out there. But
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other times it's when it's done, it goes out or it's just, I need to get out this day.
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With the incomparable, even though it usually releases on Saturday mornings, my time, the
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only rule I have there is it comes out on the weekend. I mostly do it Saturdays and
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every now and then I release on a Sunday and people say, "Is there no episode this weekend?"
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which again is nice that they noticed, but I hold myself to releasing it on the weekend,
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which is something that goes back to when I had a regular job and that was the time
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I had to work on the side project was on the weekend, but I still sort of do it that way
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most of the time. So yeah, it's on the web, my understanding, you know, from back in the
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day when I worked at IDG, there is a certain time that is peak web traffic in the US and
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It tends to be 11 a.m. Pacific to Eastern. That's the high point, the peak. And if you
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want to hit a story at the peak, that's when you put it out there. But there are lots of
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philosophies about making things available later for evening commuters or making them
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available early in the morning for morning commuters, people on trains and buses and
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things to read. Podcast is different because it's when is the download happening for people
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to listen? Are they getting it on their ride home? Are they getting it on their ride in?
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of theories, everybody's different, I think there's no particular best practices, so in
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most cases it's like Myke, we've got a general rule, and then you post it when it's ready.
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It's like they go out on the day that they tend to go out on, but I don't really fret
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And for me, if I've got them in advance, then I post them basically first thing in the morning
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when I'm up and working, just so that, you know, I wait until the day it's released,
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but at that point I just want to get on with my day, so I post all of them at 9am and I
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today Brian asked, "The new App Store today view has made me go from basically never checking
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the App Store to looking at it daily. Are you doing the same?" I am. I'm finding myself
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going to that today view every day. I have looked at the articles. There tends to be
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something I'm interested in. I think that the time has shown for me that this new App
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Store redesign is really successful and I'm finding a lot of new apps and games because
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Yeah, I'm using it more. I wouldn't say daily, but I'm using it more as something other than a place where I check the updates.
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And that's good. I have definitely read articles there and used it to read about things and find things that I'm interested in.
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I also really appreciate, and they used to do this, it's just a little more visible now, that when I think to myself,
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"Oh, you know, I want to try out some of the apps that use drag-and-drop or that use ARKit,"
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that they've got nice collections of those sitting there for me to try.
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Yeah, the collections, as you say, maybe have always existed,
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but they're way more visible now than they have been in the past,
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and they've done more to make those pages look nicer. I really like the overall look
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of the App Store pages. We spoke about that a couple of weeks ago. I think this App Store
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redesign, at least for users, has turned out to be great. One thing that I have noticed,
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I don't check the newer noteworthy anymore really, but I used to do that, but I don't
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really look at the games category and the apps category, I tend to just look at what's
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on the today view that they have.
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Just as a personal anecdote, but I really do like that, I think that the articles are
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well done and I like the variation to the stuff that they pick and most of the time
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the things that I look at, whether I would want them or not, I can see that they look
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to be really good quality applications, so I think it's been really great and I hope
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that Apple can keep it up.
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All right, that is it for this week's episode. If you want to find our show notes go to relay.fm/upgrades/162.
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Thanks again to our sponsors, the great folk over at Freshbooks, Flightlogger and Encapsula.
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If you want to find Jason's work go to sixcolors.com and the incomparable.com and like me, Jason
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hosts many shows at relay.fm. Go to relay.fm/shows and you can find a list of all of the shows
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a ton more I'm sure that you will be able to pick at least one more to add to your list.
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M Y K E. We'll be back next week where we'll be able to high five at this point in the
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show. Until then, say goodbye Jason Snell. Until next week Myke Hurley. Keep those spiders
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away from me. Please don't bring any. I don't want any in my computers. Please keep the spiders away.
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Yeah, the spiders stay here. This is their home.
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