164: The Lost Phone for Nerds
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From Relay FM, this is Upgrade, Episode 164.
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Today's show is brought to you by PDF Pen from Smile, Timing, and Encapsula.
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My name is Myke Hurley, I'm joined by Mr. Jason Snell.
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Hi, Jason Snell!
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Hi, Myke Hurley, we're back in our respective offices, in our respective homes again this week.
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been a week of travel for us again.
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- Classic upgrade has returned, classic upgrade.
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- But nobody cares about that.
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I think they do, but nobody does.
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Rick wants to know in our #snelltalk segment,
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Jason, where and what type of pizza did you eat in Chicago?
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- Well, I guess this is a place for us to promote the fact
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that you and I, along with Stephen Hackett
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and Federico Battucci,
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- Had the great honor
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of going to the Cards Against Humanity office
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where they have the podcast studio
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that is spectacular, high quality podcast studio.
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- Makes me so jealous.
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Just I want that office, that studio, I want all of that.
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- And we were there, I was very excited of course,
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'cause that's where they record Hello from the Magic Tavern,
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which is one of my favorite podcasts.
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And I did a dramatic reading of the entire name
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of Yussidor the Wizard because I had to.
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And then we recorded an episode of Dubai Friday.
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- We sure did. - Involving with Alex Cox
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and Max Temkin and via a very broken Skype connection,
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Merlin Mann. - Uh-huh.
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- And Merlin was eating a microwave Chicago pizza
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while we ate like seven different kinds of Chicago pizza,
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including like a thin buttery party pizza
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that was Max's childhood pizza.
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And we ate a, what else do we have?
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We had a deep dish, we had a focaccia.
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We had another kind of pizza
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that I don't even remember what it was.
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There was a reheated, which was unfortunate,
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but very tasty kind of more traditional Italian pizza.
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And then things took a turn
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when we got to the gluten-free deep dish,
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which everybody ate and said wasn't very good.
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- We didn't know.
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- And then we all kind of like, we didn't know.
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We thought it was just a bad deep dish pizza.
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And then it turned out that was the gluten-free
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and as Steven Hackett, who can't eat gluten, pointed out,
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the secret ingredient in gluten-free,
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The gluten-free alternative is sadness.
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They put in sadness instead of gluten.
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And we all experienced the sadness of gluten,
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the gluten-free pizza, which, and that was when we,
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I think all were like, oh, I can't eat any more pizza.
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- There is also a great possibility
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that we'd eaten too much pizza at that point anyway.
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- I think it's just funny that that's the one
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that it turned on.
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I think the good flavor of all the others made us,
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like gave us momentum to keep eating,
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even though we should have stopped.
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And then my big mistake was that I really liked
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focaccia pizza and I ate the whole piece and I knew that was a mistake and I should have just taken
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one bite. You got to do what wine tasters do, right? Which is you take a sip and spit it out.
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Yeah, that's what we should have done. Just spit pizza all over their wonderful desk.
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So I really, really encourage people, one, to listen to Dubai Friday in general, but also to
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check this episode out. There will be a link in the show notes. I will say it is without a shadow
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of a doubt, one of the most fun experiences I have ever had behind a microphone. We had
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such a great time. It was an honor to be on that show because I really respect the three
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of them and the work that they've made. I think Dubai Friday is incredible. It is an
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upgradey award winner for newcomer of last year.
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I suppose that's true, yes.
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The upgrade is on the way, Jason. I'm very excited about that.
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Months away, but I start to think they're excited now because we're in the quarter.
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always on the way. As soon as they're over they're coming back around again.
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That sounds all great, they will get you. And I wanted to just give a very quick mention
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to Alex Cox's incredible editing skills. There were like a bunch of really interesting technical
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problems that she was able to edit around and what she did with that show is incredible.
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So if you like it and you enjoy it, you can tweet to @AlexCox and tell her because she
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did a great job. So if you enjoyed that episode, it's because of Alex's hard work.
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As a podcast editor, I love it when an editor in editing sort of shapes and saves the material.
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And ideally you don't have to do that. Ideally it's not a disaster and it's a very easy edit.
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But I've had those, the Uncomfortable Holiday Music Special comes to mind where there's
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just a disaster of things technical and content wise. And what Alex did was she shaped a show
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show out of parts of our conversation, edited around some massive technical problems, and
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then also generated their after show for their Patreon supporters. So, kind of amazing. On
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The Incomparable, we have the members get to listen to the bootleg, which is the untouched,
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just original recording. If they had such a thing for Dubai Friday and you compared
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it to the final product, you would be blown away with the work that Alex did. So, yeah.
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And it was so fun to be there with them and talk to them. And like Max Temkin, who I follow
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on Twitter and I've exchanged all sorts of things with him. I met briefly with him at
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XOXO and all these things. And then it was very funny because I started to speak and
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he's like, "Whoa, Jason Snell's voice is here," because he listens to the stuff that we do.
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And that was fun because it was like, "Wait a second, Max Timken knows the stuff that
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I do, but I know the stuff that you do." And it was one of those. I think I actually said
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the phrase, "Love your show," which is the podcast equivalent of... Well, I mean, it
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It is the showbiz phrase, right?
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It's like you put on the glasses and then you just say, "Love your show."
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You don't even need to know if they have a show.
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You just say, "Love your show."
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That's the thing.
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But I actually said that.
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I couldn't help it because...
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Yeah, so it was good.
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Great hospitality in Chicago and at Cards Against Humanity.
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The title is Fancy Prince.
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Go check it out.
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It's in our show notes.
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If you want to send in Snell Talk questions, #SnellTalk for a question to start off the
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to Rick for the question that he asked, which allowed me to very easily transition into
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some semi-follow-out, which was a great experience.
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- But that was all the pizza we ate was during that podcast. Literally, we did a podcast
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where we ate pizza and that was it. Quite frankly, I went to the airport that evening
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and usually at Midway Airport, and it's funny because I talked to Dr. Drang about this because
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Dr. Drang flies out of Midway Airport all the time on Southwest Airlines, just like
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I do when I go to Chicago. I fly into Midway on Southwest from Oakland. And he and I both
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shared how we get like a hot dog at the food court at Midway. You can get a Chicago dog.
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There's all sorts of different kinds. There's a hot dog place there. And for him, it's like
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a ritual. And for me, it's kind of like a ritual now too. I go to Midway Airport and
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before I get my flight, I get a hot dog. I eat a little hot dog in Chicago and then that's
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the end. Well, guess what, Myke? I don't know if you had dinner on Wednesday night, but
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I did not. I went straight to the gate and sat down and I got on the plane and I flew
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home and I went to bed and I did not eat a single thing the rest of the day after that
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pizza because that was a lot of pizza.
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I was choosing, like my choice was I would eat nothing and Fedorica gave a talk that
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day at release notes so we went out and had some drinks afterwards and then after having
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some drinks I had a cheeseburger. But that, yeah, I maybe shouldn't have done that.
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Strong. Very strong.
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in Chicago. We spent a bunch of time together. Release Notes, the conference that we were at,
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was really good. I enjoyed it there. They put on a real good show. But we got to spend a lot
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of time together, which was nice. But there were some technology observations that I had made from
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us from being there. One was seeing you purely on iPad for the entire time, which was fun.
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Tim Cynova Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've talked about this before, but it was still one of those moments
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that everybody's like, "Oh, you don't have," like you and Steven both are like, "Oh, you
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don't have a laptop here." It's like, I don't travel with a laptop unless I absolutely have
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to. And the number of cases where I absolutely have to keeps decreasing because if I can
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get it done on the iPad, then why would I bring, I'm going to bring my iPad regardless.
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I love my iPad, right? I'm not going to leave it behind. I prefer to use it. I can't even
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envision traveling without the iPad. And so at that point, it's a question of like, do
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I also need to bring a laptop? And if I can avoid it, I do. And so, yeah, that was a good
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example of people getting to witness it in person, that I was doing everything I needed
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to do on the laptop.
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So, because we were recording so many live shows, like four live shows in Chicago, I
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decided I would bring my MacBook Pro for emergencies, right? Like just in case something happened.
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Nothing happened, and I've decided I'm going to stop doing that. If we're going to a place
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where, you know, because like Steven mostly will handle the technological stuff in regards
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to the recording of the show, so he always has his MacBook with him.
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He has a whole case with microphones and things in it.
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It's like a whole big thing that he's very good at.
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So I'm just going to stop bringing my MacBook as a backup or an emergency because I figure
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if there is the requirement for an emergency, we can find a Mac somehow.
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Yeah, especially at a tech conference.
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Macs are available.
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every big city has an Apple store. We could just go buy a MacBook
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or you could get one of those places that rents, that'll rent you a laptop. I mean
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there's so many different ways to do it that if you needed to do it. Yeah.
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So I'm gonna stop carrying my MacBook Pro around with me when I don't need it.
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And the only time then you'll bring a Mac with you when you travel is if you have like you
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want to, you want to or know you need to edit a podcast or record a podcast or
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something like that but not as
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not as the emergency fallback. Unless I am solely responsible.
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Yeah. Yeah exactly, exactly. That makes sense. I don't want to do, I just don't want to do that
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anymore because I'm carrying it around for a week. It seems kind of pointless to me.
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The other, I mean you also, I got a lot of people, as I always do when I travel with
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that thing and I go to tech circles, people were asking about that bridge keyboard that
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I have, which we talked about and it's the, I'm lucky because I've got one that works,
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you tried it and you got one that didn't. The only one that works, Jason. You have the
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only working bridge keyboard. Yeah. Bridge 12.9, it's possible. Stephen Hackett has bought
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a 10.5 bridge keyboard, so we'll see if they've worked out the bugs there.
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He got an email, right?
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Oh, I saw the email.
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The bridge have just released a version for the 10.5, and they took his payment and shipped
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Then he got an email, which was kind of an email to the mailing list, being like, "There's
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a problem with the hinges.
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This company cannot make reliable products."
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Yeah, it's really a shame because I love that keyboard, and I said this, because we're talking
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about it now, but I would shout it to the world, like, "Buy this keyboard."
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- I want it. - 'Cause people see it,
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and they're like, "Oh, what's that?
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"Oh, that's, how does it, oh, that's, you've got a,"
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'cause everybody's like, "What laptop are you using
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"that has a touchscreen?"
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I'm like, "It's an iPad, but it looks like a laptop."
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But I can't, like, I had to go through three of them
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before I got one that worked.
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You went through two, and both of them
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had the same failure.
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And now Steven has had this thing where it's like,
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well, some of these might have an issue,
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so you should watch that.
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And it's like, oh boy.
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It's too bad, it's a shame.
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I kinda, and I believe that there was something else
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with this company where they kinda like had new management
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or they got bought out or something like that.
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It's too bad because this idea for a product is really great
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and I wish that it was being stewarded by a company
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that was more capable of building reliable products.
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- Yeah. - 'Cause I'd like to recommend--
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- It's a product I want, I really want it,
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but it seems like I can't buy it.
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- The other amazing thing that happened last week
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that we should mention is that Federico saw a Kindle
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for the first time, I wanna say.
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- Yeah, I think so.
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Yeah, I think it was the first time we'd ever seen one.
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- Yeah, my Kindle Oasis,
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and we were talking about the new Oasis,
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but I had my old, first generation Oasis with me,
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so I just pulled it out, and Federico's like,
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"Oh," and then he starts touching on it,
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and like, "How do I select things,
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"and does it do multi-touch?"
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I was like, "No, Federico doesn't do that.
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"Where's the menu, how do I go back?"
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I'm like, "You gotta top it,"
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'cause it's got a weird gestural interface.
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- Like, "Why can't I see the previous page?"
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All that kind of stuff.
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- Yeah, yeah, and then it took him a long time
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realized that, oh, I could use these hardware buttons
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to go next and previous, 'cause he was swiping,
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which is very iPad gesture, right?
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Makes sense.
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And then he was also the E Ink screen.
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He's like, why is it flickering?
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And it's got like a little like hint of the previous page.
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And I'm like, yeah, it's E Ink.
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That's how that works.
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And it was funny for him.
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It was like first time to see it.
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So that was kind of fascinating.
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That was like a moment of somebody
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who's just literally never paid attention
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to this particular area of technology,
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suddenly getting his hands on it
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and wondering what the heck it was.
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- We were talking about it a bunch.
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I don't know if he's gonna buy one, but I think he might.
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- Yeah, I think he was kind of intrigued by it.
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Well, you know what actually intrigued him the most
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is the fact that I have my Instapaper archives sent there.
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Every time that I have like a,
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I add an article to Instapaper,
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it basically at 6 a.m. sends me my Instapaper bundle
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of like 20, the last 20 articles I added to Instapaper.
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And so that's, especially when I'm traveling
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or there's a long form article that I'm just,
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there's no way I'm gonna read it.
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I put it in Instapaper and it shows up on my Kindle.
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And so when I'm sitting on an airplane somewhere,
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generally is when it happens,
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and I'm thinking I want something to read
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and I don't wanna read one of the novels
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that's on my Kindle.
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I've got the Instapaper things there.
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And Federico was very intrigued by that idea of like,
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oh, so you can just get your whole Instapaper archive
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and have it go to your Kindle automatically.
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And so yeah, that's a good alternate use for the Kindle.
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But Stephen's got one too.
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I mean, he and I are both kind of believers in
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when you're just reading text,
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the Kindle is a, that's what it's good for, right?
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It's like not distracting.
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The way Steven put it was,
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my Kindle's not gonna tell me that there's a tweet
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on Twitter I should look at, right?
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- Yeah, there's something to be said for that.
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So I'm sure we'll have more comprehensive Kindle coverage
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when the, well, in fact, I think it's next week,
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the new Kindle Oasis ships.
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So we may have to call in our Kindle experts.
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- Kindle experts, people from the field.
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I wanted to mention we have some
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Relay FM merchandise available, which has been a much requested item.
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So we sold stickers to go on your AirPods case to make it look like dental floss,
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Relay FM branded stickers. Um, we're doing something kind of different, uh,
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but kind of the same. We are doing a bundle, uh,
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which we're calling the cool fresh gear bundle,
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which includes a t-shirt with the artwork of the sticker on it and two,
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a new red cinnamon flavor, uh, stickers.
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so you can get those, they're available now.
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We're gonna be doing this different
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to how we've done stuff before,
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because we believe that there might,
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if it's like the last time we sold these stickers,
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that the demand might be quite high.
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We sold out in like an hour previously.
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So we're gonna be doing pre-orders.
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You can pre-order until November the sixth.
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Of course, all the links will be in the show notes,
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but you can go to, you can go check it out
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if you wanna just go there right now.
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You can go to relay.fm/store and you'll find it there.
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But we're doing pre-orders until Monday, November the sixth,
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and these will be shipping in mid-December,
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'cause this is a tricky logistical thing.
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We have stickers and t-shirts coming in
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from all different places,
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and they'll be shipping out from the US.
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I apologize in advance to people
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if you're outside the US with the shipping prices,
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we are unfortunately fixed into standardized shipping prices.
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There's nothing we can do about that, I'm afraid,
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with our fulfillment center.
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But yeah, you can go check it out now.
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These are really, I think we're really happy about this.
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I know a lot of people really, really loved
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and wanted us to bring back these stickers,
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so we've found a way to do it
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that makes sense for everybody. So it's going to be a t-shirt and sticker combo, which I
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think is really cool and it's fun and it's kind of different and you can go check it
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out and as I said you can pre-order up until November the 6th.
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I just tried to order one. The funny thing is that when I got to the order summary screen
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it said, "So you're ordering seven of these." And I thought, um...
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What did you do?
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I don't think I did anything but it thinks I want seven of them, which is great! I don't.
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I only want maybe five shirts and ten stickers.
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Yeah, you should, you should get your hoard the stickers.
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Oh man, they're worth, I still have some of the,
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I still have some of the green,
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those are collector's items now.
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They really are.
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Those are worth, that's like Bitcoins, yeah.
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So yeah, this is, we did it this way so we won't run out.
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That was the plan, we ran out last time.
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That's great.
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Lots of people wanted them, so we're doing it
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as a pre-order so we don't run out of them.
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'Cause we have no idea how many people.
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That's good.
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There you go, I can see Jason Snell's order right there.
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You only ordered one, so good work on adjusting.
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Yeah, I didn't do seven after all.
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I also wanted to mention,
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before we finish a follow-up today,
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Our good friends over at AppCamp for Girls currently have an Indiegogo fundraising going on.
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They want to raise $75,000 to expand their efforts to three new cities by 2020.
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There are a bunch of great rewards for this campaign, as with all good crowdfunding campaigns,
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but I think you should give some money to AppCamp because it's a cause worth supporting,
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because you'll be helping to inspire and encourage young girls, transgender, and non-gender conforming kids
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to become developers.
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And having just been to a technology conference,
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this is really important.
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We need to have more non-men in this industry,
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and anything that we can do and you can do
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to help AppCam for Girls is a good thing
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to ensure diversity in the future of the stuff that we do.
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So you can go check them out.
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They're doing really great.
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They've raised $23,000 so far.
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They're 31% of their goal.
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I would love it if the upgrade-ins could go there
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and give some money to the great folk over at AppCamp, of course.
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They really are great.
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We would all appreciate that.
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Okay, should we take a break, Jason?
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Sounds like a good idea.
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I want to thank Timing for supporting this week's show.
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Timing is the smarter way to track time.
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Time is your most precious resource.
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You need to know how you're spending it.
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But, frankly, manual time tracking can interrupt your workflow.
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workflow, it's easy to lose track of and sometimes can just be kind of annoying.
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And that's why timing is different, because timing automates your time tracking to save
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you as much time as possible.
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First, it automatically tracks how you spend time on your Mac broken down by app, website
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and document.
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But that's a lot of data to work through, right?
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So timing lets you use drag and drop to create rules that automatically categorise your time
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so it just gets done for you.
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Timing also understands that not all of your work will happen when you're sitting down
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on your Mac.
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That's why it automatically suggests to fill gaps in your timeline so you never forget
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to track a meeting.
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It can even automatically ask you what you did whenever you returned to your Mac so you
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can just enter it right in there.
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I spent a bunch of time with the developer, Daniel, of Timing while we were in release
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Really, really nice guy.
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We were talking about things that he wants to add to the app in the future.
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He has a really great plan for this app.
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It's really, really cool and I think you should go and check it out.
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There are loads of great graphs and charts in the application when you've been using
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for time tracking that break down not just the apps that you're using but also
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like the categorization stuff is really cool. I was really really impressed with
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that so you can track everything in the phrasing that you understand because you
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can even customize all of these categories as well so it's like in your
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vernacular. You can download the 14-day free trial today by heading to timingapp.com/upgrade
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and you'll save 10% when you purchase. Timing. Stop worrying about
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time and focus on doing your best work instead. We'd like to thank Timing for
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their support of this show. Alright Mr Snell. Yes sir. Should we talk about Android TV a
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little bit? This is still a little bit more follow up, got a lot of follow up today. Yeah.
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Majd wrote in to remind us, and I've completely forgotten about this, and not only do we never
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think about Chromecast, we also didn't remember that Android TV exists as a whole product.
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That's right. It is an operating system with Chromecast support and a bunch of apps that
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is built into TVs and other TV connected devices.
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- Right, so this is Google's equivalent of Apple TV
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and Roku and Amazon Fire TV.
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Chromecast obviously way more prominent
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in terms of mindshare kind of everywhere,
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but there is Android TV.
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It does have apps.
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It's built into a few boxes and a bunch of TVs.
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Although it seems like Roku is beating them on the TV side.
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It seems like at least I see Roku TVs,
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I hear about Roku TVs a lot
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and less about Android TV embedded,
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but they are playing in the embedded TV game
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and powering the idea there
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that they put their operating system in it
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and then the apps just come from their platform
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instead of the TV manufacturer
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building their own like custom thing
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that's got a few apps in it,
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they just put in Android TV or they put in Roku
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and they walk away and say, we're good.
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So it does exist.
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That's what we were talking about.
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So that's Google's real direct sort of app-based TV strategy.
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But I think the fact that we didn't think of it--
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I mean, part of that is that we're more in the Apple space.
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But even though I've got a Fire TV,
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and I have a Roku that's old, and I don't use it anymore.
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I don't have the latest Roku.
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But it is interesting that we didn't think of it.
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I think it doesn't get brought up a lot.
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And I understand how frustrating that can be,
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because I remember in the old days as a Mac user,
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people would list off things and they'd be like,
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"Why didn't you mention the Mac?"
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And it can be very frustrating when there's a thing
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that you use and you understand
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and that people pretend it doesn't exist.
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This happens when we talk about streaming services a lot
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or live TV streaming services where people say,
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"But why didn't you mention this?"
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'Cause it turns out we mentioned three as examples
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and there are five.
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And the people who are users of the other two get angry
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and I get it.
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So Android TV is a thing that exists.
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- Yeah, and I mean, I would argue
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that even Google doesn't put the focus on this product.
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They focus on Chromecast.
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I just watched the Made by Google keynote, right?
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And a couple of weeks ago,
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I didn't hear Android TV brought up at all.
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I don't even remember it being brought up at Google I/O,
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but it may have been.
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- Chromecast is funny because it's a product,
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basically, and a feature.
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And in fact, one of the main features of Android TV
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is Chromecast. - Chromecast support, yeah.
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- I did hear from somebody and I thought this,
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they made a good point that,
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and I know you got that email too,
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a little bit kind of tangential
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to the point we were trying to make,
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but worth at least mentioning,
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one of the values of Chromecast is
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that you can have Chromecast devices all over your house
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and use your phone to control them.
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And it's essentially one device logged into the services
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that you're streaming because it's your phone.
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And if you're on a device,
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if you're on a service that limits the number of devices
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that you can have.
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One of the advantages, whether that's for legitimate,
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sort of like, I have lots of devices issues,
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or it's semi-legitimate, I'm sharing passwords
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with other people in my family kind of issues,
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you could hit a limit a lot more readily
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on three devices in your house,
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or five devices in your house,
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plus whatever else is going on,
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than with necessarily with a Chromecast,
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which you're just kind of like,
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your phone is the master device,
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no matter which Chromecast you're casting to.
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So it's worth mentioning too.
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There's some nuances there.
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- Yeah, there definitely is.
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- Yeah, I guess we should talk about another thing
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regarding TV streaming.
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So this is like a, we don't have a word for it.
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It's probably okay that we don't have a word.
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I'm sure there's a word in German for it anyway,
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which is a new topic that grows out of follow-up.
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But we might as well talk about it here
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since we're talking about video.
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- We don't need to try anything else today.
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don't send any suggestions in for what this is called.
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We're building out.
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- Please don't, you're doing it.
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Stop it. - No, I'm doing it.
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I gotta stop, I gotta stop.
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We talked a lot about streaming services, right?
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We talked about Apple getting into this.
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Apple's gonna do streaming services.
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Everybody wants a streaming service.
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People are frustrated,
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like how many $10 streaming services can I subscribe to?
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And the answer is probably not many.
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And some of the streaming services will discover that.
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And then they're gonna go out of business
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or retrench or merge because they're gonna discover that.
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But they're all trying to grab a piece of the pie
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because they feel like that all the money
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that has been going into traditional TV
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is kind of up for grabs and they want it.
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So everybody wants to build their own streaming service.
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And a lot of these companies are entertainment companies.
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Some of them are technical
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and some of them are entertainment.
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And what's interesting is to look at how they
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approach their businesses.
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So like when Amazon builds their video service,
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video service, or Netflix, which is a tech company, you know, they're more than
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they're an entertainment company, I would argue, or at least they started out that
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way. And Apple is certainly a good example of this. They are going to
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approach it from a technical standpoint, and presumably their streaming
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infrastructure, it doesn't mean that they'll do it right, but they've got a
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much better chance of doing their streaming infrastructure right, because
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like, they have a big streaming infrastructure already for other things,
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and they've got data centers, and they've got advanced, you know, network
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engineers who know how to build this stuff. And they struggle potentially
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with the part of the business that is not what they're good at, which is like
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entertainment, which is why you see Apple hire TV guys to run their business.
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Because, you know, Apple's expertise does not extend to making deals
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with creative people in Hollywood. It doesn't, for television shows and
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developing a slate of television programming. It doesn't map. If you're an
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entertainment company, the reverse is true, right? You've got programming down. Like,
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HBO is already doing it. It's good. But then HBO says, "But we want to do a streaming service."
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And if you don't know this story, I mean, the short version of the story is HBO's chief
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technical officer was charged to build a streaming service. And I think he was building HBO Now
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while they were using Major League Baseball, Advanced Media's streaming service for HBO
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Go. I think that's what it was. And basically the HBO home-built thing was a disaster, and
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they fired the guy, and they just went to MLB Advanced Media, which is now called Bamco
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and is owned by a majority by Disney, because Disney bought them for the same reason of
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like, they're... You think about baseball, and if you're like some people, you think
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baseball is boring, but they did... Major League Baseball built this company that is
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basically state-of-the-art in terms of streaming video on the internet. And they built it for
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themselves, and then a bunch of other sports companies went in, and then a bunch of entertainment
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companies went in with them, because they built a tech company that was very good at
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video streaming. So HBO was finally like, "Okay, we give up. We're gonna use you, because
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you know what you're doing." Now, HBO is actually saying now they're building their own infrastructure
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and they're gonna move off of BamCo. "Good luck," I say to them, "Good luck." I bring
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this up because I've been enjoying watching Star Trek Discovery which is in the US is
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on CBS's streaming service. The rest of the world it's on Netflix except for Canada
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where it's on a Canadian streaming service but in the rest of the world it's on Netflix
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which is great but here in the US we have to use CBS All Access. So CBS built their
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own streaming service, yay! And it's a disaster. And this is one of those good examples where
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if you're an entertainment company
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and you don't have expertise in tech,
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you are gonna struggle on that side.
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So CBS All Access, they don't support 5.1 audio.
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I believe they're streaming a 720p stream.
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There's no higher quality available.
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The close captioning is rudimentary compared to Netflix.
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Like the Netflix experience outside the US,
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way superior to what we're getting in the US,
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the origin of this because their app
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and their infrastructure can't support it.
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And then last night's episode of Star Trek Discovery,
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anybody with an Apple TV and some other people
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using other devices reported this too,
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but it sounds like everybody who watched with an Apple TV,
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it was glitches and video would just back up
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by two or three seconds and repeat multiple times.
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Like it was trying to figure out what to do
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with the stream and failing, or they had a bad file.
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I'm not really sure quite what was going on, but it was, well, it took me like an hour
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to watch a 45 minute episode. So that should tell you how it was. And it kind of broke
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the mood when you have something dramatic. And the way it sounded just to give people
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an illustration of how it sounded when this was happening, it was like that. It was just
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infuriating. And I mean, all I have to say is, I like that CBS, I mean, a lot of people
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are mad because they're basically saying you have to pay if you want to watch Star Trek
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and you're not going to just use your Netflix subscription, you have to pay us directly
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if you're in the US. We're holding this show hostage because we want to build a streaming
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service. I get why that frustrates people, but I think it's a clever business decision,
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I think it's borne out, they renewed Star Trek Discovery for season two, I think it's
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working for them, I think it's working for Netflix and the rest of the world, all that's
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fine. But the other part of the story is you got to do a good job with your technical infrastructure
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and it's harder than it looks. Just like we say all the time about Apple and television
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that it's harder than it looks to do content. We got to be fair here. It's harder than it
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looks to do internet. And so when FX and AMC say they're going to do streaming services,
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I had that moment where I think maybe Disney wasn't so stupid when they spent billions
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of dollars on Major League Baseball advanced media because they bought a company that knows
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how to do video streaming and I think a lot of these companies are fooling themselves
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when they feel like that's the tech part's not a problem. We'll figure that out. It's
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the creative part, what we are good at. That's the secret sauce and the tech part is just
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whatever. Streaming on the internet, how hard could it be? And the answer is it's very hard.
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I wanted to just provide some real-time follow-up that the company is called BAM Tech.
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Oh, that's right, BAM Tech. BAM Tech, which is just out of Major League Baseball Advanced
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Media. They always called it BAM, B-A-M, and now it's BAM Tech. That's right, it's
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not BAM Co., it's BAM Tech, but it's a dumb name. The old name was dumb too. It's
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now a new dumb name, but the point is they built a tech startup essentially inside Major
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League Baseball that learned about how to do video streaming and did it right early
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and everybody else went, "Oh my god, let's just pay those guys to do this because this
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is hard." And when you see somebody go it alone, and it goes to the streaming infrastructure,
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it also goes to the app development, like the CBS All Access apps aren't very good
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either because they've had to build, you've got to build your own app, and they're not
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very good. So where the blame is to be placed, the fact that the streams aren't high quality
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either when they do work. It's a--I just thought it was really interesting, and I've been thinking
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about writing about that for a while now and talking about it, but really last night was
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The Capper, because it made the show basically unwatchable. And if I hadn't been set to record
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a podcast an hour later, which we did, which we do every week, which is a lot of fun, it
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was a fun episode, we had a lot of laughs, it was actually a really great recap episode,
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and the episode itself was good, but I would have given up and come back to it days later
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if I didn't have that commitment because it was terrible. A terrible experience to watch
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it. So streaming, it's harder than it looks.
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Yeah I mean even, even BamTec don't get it perfect. So the WWE used BamTec. That's what
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their platform is based on. And I was watching it live last night and had a very similar
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experience to you where it just kept jumping back to a previous part of the stream, like
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every now and then. Like an hour earlier and stuff like that, you know.
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Yeah and is that their stream or is that their app is also unclear. Major League Baseball
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is not without fault. I mean, they have issues, but when they're going well...
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Yeah, I will say, like, this is a rare occurrence.
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Major League Baseball's app, you can do a 60 frames per second live stream of any baseball
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game that's playing at any given time, which is amazing. And they set records on usage every year.
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I get the press releases from the guys at BAM Tech, who it's like, "Here's the latest record
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numbers of video streams for Major League Baseball." And it keeps going up. So, yeah.
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- Yeah, so it's just, it's funny that, so when you hear,
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I asked the listeners, when you hear about a tech company
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say they're gonna get entertainment,
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I think you're gonna bring your skepticism.
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When you hear an entertainment company explain
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that they've got a tech thing, like a streaming service,
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I think we all need to apply that same level of skepticism,
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because just 'cause they know how to make TV
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has no bearing on whether they can put the TV
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on the internet.
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So in more news of Apple executives responding to emails, there are a couple of instances...
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Isn't it great they use email? They use email at Apple!
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Wild, it's wild. A couple of instances, one comes from MacRumors, where somebody emailed
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Craig Federighi and asked, "Will we see an October event?" This guy named Luke asked this question.
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Federighi replied with, "I think we'll keynote it out for the season."
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So this is kind of answering the question of will we see an event which includes the HomePod and the iMac Pro?
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The answer seems to be probably no.
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The answer is no. And the reason is we already saw that event, it was the WWDC keynote.
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And I get the people, I think there's a little too much emphasis on live events, especially in the Apple world,
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where I've seen some people speculating, especially on Twitter, like, "Well, what happens? There's
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so much more to say about the HomePod." It's like, "Yeah, but the reveal already happened."
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And Apple's got lots of other ways to get out details to the people who care about details,
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right? To the people who don't care about details, Apple's got a really great way to
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get it out, which is they buy ads. And there are cool ads with the HomePod at the holidays
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or whenever they've got these things ready to ship, and people will know that it exists.
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But they don't need an event to do that, and they don't need an event to get the details
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out because they can bring press down if they want and do some briefings and seed them with
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review units and have an embargo, and then suddenly one day in December every tech site
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has a HomePod review. They can do that. They can do it by press release if they really
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wanted to, I doubt they will. I think they will take the extra step of seeding review
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units in certain places and getting people to write about it that way. And the iMac Pro
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is the same way. It's already been unveiled. Like, there are details, sure, but they can
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do that with reviews, and that becomes news, the fact that the first reviews have dropped
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via embargo. And for the people who care about details, that's going to do it. That's going
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to do the trick. And they'll post their own content, too. We ignore that. People like
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me who like are on the independent content creation side ignore the fact that one of
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the big sources for information about Apple's products is Apple.com and they can post videos
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and spec sheets and tech specs and all sorts of things there and do. So there's going to
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be a lot of information out there. You don't really need, I think the events are about
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the reveal right? The events are about the reveal not the details and it's iPhone 10
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launching too, it's the same way. They don't need to do another event to say it's shipping
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though there will be details there. So none of these products, they've already been revealed.
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So there's no new event necessary and it feels very much like the Mac, which we're going
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to talk about the Mac a little bit too, I think that's the next email in the inbox,
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the upgrade inbox. The Mac stuff feels very much like, with the exception of that iMac
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Pro, a 2018 kind of story.
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I did want to mention though about the HomePod. I understand why people are questioning and
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wondering if there's going to be an event because the WWDC event left a lot of questions
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like even to the point where they were like oh it's it's gonna do other stuff right like
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it's there'll be more but like we didn't see it like all the Siri things like I feel like
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this is a product that that it's like um it feels to me in a way that do you remember
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the original uh unveiling of the Apple watch in like I think it was in like September and
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then they brought it out in March do you remember that like they they showed it off and then
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and then they did another event where they brought it out.
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There was a time period.
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So that's how I'm kind of thinking of the HomePods.
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You've shown us the basics of this, but where's the rest?
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And what they are probably gonna do now
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is bring in a bunch of press and do big feature stories.
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That's probably the way they're gonna do this.
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But I understand why there was a question,
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especially around the HomePods,
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because it's a new product,
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it's a thing we've never seen before,
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and we didn't get all the details.
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So I personally can see why there was a question in the air.
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But in the same vein, I can see why you could say,
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well, the home pod is not enough for an event on its own,
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which it's not.
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The iMac Pro doesn't need an event
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'cause there's nothing else more than what we've seen.
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Right, like it is what it is,
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and they have no other products.
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So it's not an event, it's not enough,
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unless they had something else, which they don't.
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- Yeah, I sometimes wonder, I mean,
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but it would come under the heading of event.
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I do sometimes wonder if what they could do
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is something that's a little bit less like an event.
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I guess it would be a briefing.
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because they could invite people down to Cupertino and have these things in different rooms and
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like usher people through, but either that's a press event where everybody's going there
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at a certain time to do this, at which point it's an event, essentially.
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Yeah, you may as well have somebody get on stage at that point because it's more efficient.
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And the briefings are what they prefer, and that's what they're going to do, is they've
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got places that they can take journalists, and I've been through that. I've run the gauntlet
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there a bunch. You go into one room, they tell you about one thing, then they take,
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you know, you're there for 30 minutes, then they take you to another room, they tell you
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about another thing, you're there for 30 minutes, they do demos, you know, and then you, if
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you've got a review unit, you get that and you leave and you get an embargo time and
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if it's under embargo and you go back home and go to work, that's the deal. So they can
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do that with the HomePod and that's probably what they'll do. They seem to do that in Cupertino
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and in New York, you know, they book people and bring them in and have them do that. So
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I imagine that's what's going to happen. Just like they do, they'll do that for the iPhone
00:38:42
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10 as well, right? They'll, they'll get people to come and give them a briefing and give
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them a review unit with an embargo time.
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Yep. Because they weren't given out, right? We know that.
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Right. So, which is funny. It's, it's not an event, but it's like, it's still a PR campaign
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that happens. It's just not a public event. Instead, it's this private kind of behind
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the scenes timed coordination that they do, but it's a big part of their rollout strategy
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for any product too. So I suspect that's what it will be. And there will be some morning
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in December where all of a sudden there will be 10 or 15 stories from people who got pre-release
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HomePods talking about their full review after having spent a week with the HomePod in their
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I hope that was something like that. And then also Tim Cook responded to an email and this
00:39:32
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There's another one coming from MacRumors where Rita Crowe wrote in to ask about the
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Mac Mini and Tim said, "I'm glad you love the Mac Mini, we love it too.
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Our customers have found so many creative and interesting uses for Mac Mini.
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While it is not time to share any details, we do plan for Mac Mini to be an important
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part of our product lineup going forward."
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So it has gone from being a product in the line to an important part of the product line.
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So the Mac Mini has received a wording upgrade, not an actual upgrade, the current version
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of it is three years old now, but this is maybe more positive about the Mac Mini than
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the last time Apple gave a public statement about the Mac Mini.
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Yeah, well the last statement was "Yes, the Mac Mini exists."
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And this is an important part of our product line going forward, which, okay, the parsing,
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let the parsing begin, right?
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Like going forward means it will continue to exist.
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Okay, that's a step forward then currently exists.
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It will continue to exist in the future.
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And then part of the product line, we covered that last time, right?
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Important part of the product line suggests that it has a level of, I don't know, an undefined
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level of value to Apple as part of the product line that is not zero. So,
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interesting statement, of course, Tim Cook email issuances tend to be hard to
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parse in a way. We talked about it on the show the last time he did this that I
00:41:14
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feel like this is a, you know, one of the attempts to just sort of like soothe
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people without giving details is to do this. And they tried to do that with a
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Mac Pro and it failed and they ended up having to do the emergency all hands round table
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Mac Pro event to get to soothe that group of people and get a story out about how they
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were going to listen to them. I'm not sure that will happen with the Mac Mini where we're
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going to suddenly have eight journalists were convened around a table to talk about the
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Mac Mini. That's probably not going to happen, but I'm encouraged by this because I feel
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that this does go beyond the Mac Mini exists to say it will continue to exist and it, I
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take important part of our product line up to mean we will update it every so often like
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we've been doing for its entire life.
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It's not important if you leave it there forever, right? Like it's not, you know,
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so they must be doing or planning to do something.
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Yeah, well and it's obviously not a priority for them but the fact is that the Mac Mini
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has often gone in its lifetime through long stretches of time where it's
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untouched and then it comes out. Now I would like it to be updated more
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regularly as new chips come out but that seems to just not be what it...
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Its sales must not merit that, I'll put it that way. I think it's
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probably right for Apple not to highly prioritize the Mac Mini so they give it
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a refresh, a new code of paint every few years and then they let it sit there for
00:42:43
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a while. Now you know I've talked about on this show before that you know you
00:42:48
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at what Intel has done with their next unit of computing little boxes that are
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incredibly small, they're the size of an Apple TV, essentially, and there's a whole
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computer in there that's powerful, it's got an Intel like an i5 or an i7
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processor in there, and a fast SSD, and a bunch of ports, and the Intel stuff, it
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supports Thunderbolt 3 and USB-C, plus standard USB-A, HDMI out, it's got all of
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these features in a little tiny box that's the size of an Apple TV, and I look
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that box and I say, and I have one right here, I look at that box and I say, "That's what
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the Mac Mini should be." You know, it doesn't have to be quite that small, it doesn't have
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to look quite that plastic, Apple can do their own thing with it if they want to, but like,
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that strikes me as being a great direction for Apple to say the Mac Mini is even more
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mini now, and they put it out there, and then they walk away from it for three years again,
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because that's what they're gonna do. But it's, you know, I'm encouraged by the fact
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that maybe in 2018 at some point, we'll see that, that something that's sort of styled
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like the Apple TV maybe comes out except it's a Mac and I really believe and forgive me
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because this is like a broken record I've said this many times that gives Apple enough
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to kind of like pat itself on the back and say look how we've reinvented computing again
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by blowing your mind by doing this small this super small Mac.
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Yeah and that would be a fun story.
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Even though they exist already.
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You know like for a product that maybe doesn't get a lot of the spotlight because it's not
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a very popular product.
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Isn't it the smallest Mac ever?
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Yeah, but yeah, the smallest Mac ever, a Mac you can fit in your pocket, you know?
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That might be fun, right?
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There could be some fun branding around that which might entice people to grab one and
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like put some something on it and throw it in a cupboard, right?
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Like it's, you know, there are uses for a product which is mega tiny.
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Well, right, and the, I saw Neil Seibert, the analyst on Twitter, was talking about
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I'm not sure where the Mac Mini, you know, how important it is and how necessary it is,
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and I, you know, I replied to him and I basically said what I've said to you before, which is
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is, it's one of the reasons that it's good to have a Mac Mini is that it's like an escape
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valve, like a pressure release valve. It's like, if there's something you want to do
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with Mac OS, and none of the other options work, there's the Mac Mini. Just do what you
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want, right? It's like literally, it's affordable, it runs Mac OS, you can attach anything to
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it, just take one and do whatever. This could become the education computer, right? Like
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these are the computers you put in schools, right? There are many things that it could
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do, especially if it was priced interestingly, there are options.
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There are options.
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Right, and it allows the iMac not to need to be everything to everyone or the Mac Pro
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to be everything to everyone because they can't be.
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And that's the, you know, I'm just a real believer in this, like, products need to not
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carry the entire weight of the platform.
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Like the more diversity you have in the product line, that allows the products to do what
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Apple likes them to do, which is like super, like be true to themselves and have that kind
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of specific, like this is what the iMac, you know, the iMac is trying to be the best iMac
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it can be. It's a lot easier if somebody who says, "Well, yeah, but I don't want the big
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screen or whatever." You're like Mac Mini, just go to the Mac Mini, right? The Mac Mini
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then is that pressure release valve, which is if you would like to do literally anything
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you can think of with a Mac, the Mac Mini exists, go to town, right? And so I think
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I think that's the value of that product is that it lets them point at it and say
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for all of your little project because I think there's no one single amazing use
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for the Mac Mini used to be like attached to your TV and stuff but we've
00:46:22
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gone way past that with the Apple TV and other things it's a lot less of an issue
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but there are still a million different weird things that a Mac Mini is good at
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and that's why it's important to have it so I'm encouraged by this I think there
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will be a new Mac Mini and I hope, I feel like the existing footprint of the Mac
00:46:43
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Mini is still stuck in the spinning hard drive, there used to be a CD drive kind
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of a mentality in terms of the design of it, so I have a strong feeling that the
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next Mac Mini will be something more like those little Intel boxes or like
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the Apple TV where they just, that's a very Apple thing to do too, just go all
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in on tiny that it's SSD, you know, there's no CD drives anymore so we can
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make this thing incredibly small and then go away. Take it away, we don't want to talk
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about it anymore, just take your thing and go. Because I think that is sort of Apple's
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attitude to it is, we just need it to exist and then we'll move on to the more exciting
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products elsewhere.
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I wanted to say just one more thing about the Mac Mini. I don't remember who but I saw
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somebody on Twitter saying, all of the people that are complaining about the Mac Mini not
00:47:31
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existing are people that wouldn't buy it, right? So like people like me and you, like
00:47:35
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We don't really have use for that type of product.
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Like we want the powerful products.
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We want the portable products.
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I agree with that idea, right?
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Like people that are complaining about it won't buy it,
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but that's not the reason
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that people are frustrated about it.
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The reason that people are frustrated about it
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is because Apple is selling a product to people,
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potentially, it's available for you to buy,
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which is bad, which is just bad.
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It's a bad product because it is slow and old.
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Yeah, like, I mean, I would say maybe even worse
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than the Mac Pro, honestly.
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Like, it is an old slow product that they made slower when they refer--
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You said it!
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Uh, worse than the last version of it, so...
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The best Mac Mini ever made is now not three years old,
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like these current models, the best Mac Mini ever made is what, five or six years old now?
00:48:19
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'Cause it was that four core system that the new Mac Mini was slower than.
00:48:23
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That's still the, uh, the fastest Mac Mini ever, and it's very old now.
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Like, I don't care what they do, I just want them to do something.
00:48:30
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Do something!
00:48:31
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- We don't sell the Mac Mini anymore, awesome, right?
00:48:34
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Like, I don't care what you do, just do something with it.
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Because, you know.
00:48:38
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- This is the ongoing story,
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and for those who listen to ATP, you know,
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John Syracuse is a believer in the Mac Renaissance,
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and I kind of am too,
00:48:46
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I feel like they've changed their tune on this,
00:48:47
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but this is another example of what we've seen
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the last couple of years,
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which is rot in the Mac product line,
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where things just sit there.
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And Apple, it's like they're not paying attention to the Mac,
00:48:58
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that they don't update them when new chips come out,
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and the products age.
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And a product that is a good value buy today
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at the same price with the exact same specs in two years
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is a terrible value.
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So that's the problem in most cases,
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maybe not in all cases, but in most cases,
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is that these products are unattended.
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And the laptops have been attended to.
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We can talk about the issues involving them being attended
00:49:24
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and what Apple's trying to do with them,
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but at least they have paid attention to them.
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They've speed bumped the iMacs.
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The Mac Pro, at least they've said they know they're going to do something, and now the
00:49:32
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Mac Mini, I suspect the same thing is happening, but for now, yeah, that's the open question,
00:49:37
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which is why is this product being left there to rot?
00:49:40
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I believe, just like I did with the Mac Pro, that the reason that it's sitting there is
00:49:44
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because they're working on something else, because if they weren't, they'd just kill
00:49:50
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I believe that.
00:49:51
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I believe that to be the case, that if Apple truly did not care about the Mac Mini and
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was never going to update it again.
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After three years of it just sitting there,
00:49:59
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they'd probably say, yeah, we're gonna shut this down.
00:50:02
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It's the end of end of life,
00:50:03
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like the iPod classic or something like that.
00:50:05
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Just like this is the end, it's gone.
00:50:07
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And, but instead they're like,
00:50:10
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oh, but just around the corner, there's new ones.
00:50:12
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So we're just gonna leave it there.
00:50:13
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We're not gonna, we don't wanna create stories
00:50:14
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about how they've killed the Mac mini
00:50:16
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and then bring it back.
00:50:16
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We're just gonna leave it, let it sit there
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until we've got a new one and they've let it sit too long.
00:50:20
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But I have hope that next year there will be a new one.
00:50:24
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And that's great because I've had a Mac Mini running
00:50:26
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in my house for like a decade or more now.
00:50:31
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You know, I've gone through a couple of different ones,
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but I find it, you know,
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incredibly valuable to have in my house.
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I'd love to keep using it.
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I'd rather not repurpose an iMac or something into,
00:50:42
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'cause that's just a waste for what I use them for.
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But yeah, we'll see.
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maybe the Mac Pro is the Mac Mini, which is a fun conspiracy theory. But I mean, and I
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am not a computer engineer, I can't say, but my impression is that those are two entirely
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different computers, because one of them needs to be cheap, light, small, the speed is okay,
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it's got, you know, okay power, it doesn't need a lot of ventilation, because they can
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use a small fan or whatever. And it'll be fine. But the Mac Pro needs a huge like amount
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of ventilation and the fastest parts and all of those things in order to do its
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job and so I don't see how that's one computer I feel like that's two
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computers the Mac Mini and the Mac Pro you can't make like a one-size-fits-all
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because then the parts that you're putting in the the the one-size-fits-all
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are gonna be way more expensive than necessary for the Mac Mini and the
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enclosure is gonna be way bigger than it needs to be or you're gonna skimp on
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those things and then the Mac Pro is gonna be lousy again which you don't
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want. So I just wanted to say that before we moved on.
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All right then, so I want to talk about the iPhone now. Let's shift gears from the Mac
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to the iPhone. iPhone X availability has been a question mark about this over the last few
00:53:27
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days because analysts from KGI Securities, everybody's favorite Min-Chi Kuo, has published
00:53:33
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a report talking about supply chain problems for the first weekend sales. So, quick breakdown.
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According to this report, Apple is still facing severe constraints for the iPhone X. Kuo is
00:53:44
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reporting that Apple may have only between 2-3 million units for the launch weekend.
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The iPhone 6s sold 13 million units in the first weekend.
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Of course there were two phone options and this time the 8 line exists as well.
00:54:10
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You can assume that the iPhone 8 and the iPhone 8 Plus have chipped away, some of those say
00:54:15
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there's going to be 15 million, so it's taken junk out of those.
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But I bet the remaining number is more than 3 million.
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That would be my expectation.
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Quo is reporting that there are a variety of problems that are leading to these shortages.
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There is a new flexible circuit board in the iPhone X which has been problematic for production.
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There's a separate circuit board for the new camera sensors which is facing issues and
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also a component of the infrared sensor for Face ID.
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So Apple is struggling to get reliable parts for all of these things.
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So it's looking like, as we assumed, it's looking like to be the case that if you want
00:54:50
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one of these on day one, it's going to be a struggle no matter where you are in the
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world and there may be very long waiting times.
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Which is a shame considering that this device is already shipping way later than we maybe
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would have initially expected right like it's coming out in November which is two
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months after when an iPhone usually debuts and even with that lead time the
00:55:11
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extra time potentially it seems like that there's still we're still gonna be
00:55:15
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faced with real difficulties to get one of these within a within a time oh man
00:55:21
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I'm just gonna it's gonna be like a command center in here on Friday morning
00:55:25
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let me tell you I think everybody's gonna be disappointed it's gonna be it's
00:55:29
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gonna be tough. It's gonna be a bloodbath, I think, honestly. It's gonna be real bad.
00:55:34
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If you care about this stuff, which I'm assuming you do because you listen to this
00:55:37
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show, we can all wallow in our sadness together. Yeah, and it's, uh, when, when is the pre-order?
00:55:43
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It's Thursday at midnight, at midnight, first, midnight Pacific, Friday and Thursday
00:55:48
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night, Friday morning. It's Friday at 8am for me, it's Thursday at midnight for you,
00:55:53
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and midnight Pacific, yeah, between. 3am Eastern, yeah. Uh, oh boy, yeah, that's gonna be
00:55:59
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- It's gonna be tough.
00:56:00
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That's gonna be a tough one.
00:56:01
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- Are you gonna pre-order?
00:56:03
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- I think I'm gonna try, but my hope is that,
00:56:09
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yeah, I mean, yes, I am,
00:56:11
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because it's time for me to buy a phone.
00:56:13
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So I am going to try.
00:56:14
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We'll see how long it takes to get there.
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My hope is that I will get a review unit.
00:56:19
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So I'll be able to review it sooner
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than I would actually be able to get it, but who knows?
00:56:23
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'Cause it may be like,
00:56:24
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"Well, you'll get your phone in January,
00:56:26
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but maybe I can get a review unit before that,
00:56:28
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'cause I'd like to write about it.
00:56:29
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But I will buy one regardless because it's my time,
00:56:33
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it's time for me to buy a new phone for myself
00:56:35
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and that's the one I'm gonna get.
00:56:37
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But this could be rough.
00:56:39
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And we know that probably a lot of our listeners,
00:56:44
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people who really care about Apple stuff,
00:56:46
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a lot of them are, I think, deferring, right?
00:56:50
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Not getting the iPhone 8 and instead waiting for the 10.
00:56:53
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And so this is the challenge.
00:56:56
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we talked about it when these rumors were first starting,
00:56:58
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which is can they spread the demand out
00:57:01
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or is everybody just gonna wait for the 10
00:57:04
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and they can't deliver the 10
00:57:07
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and it stays back ordered for months?
00:57:10
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I mean, it could be that this phone is back ordered by months
00:57:15
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through like mid 2018.
00:57:18
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- When you're assuming they've already been building them
00:57:20
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for months, right?
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And the most they've been able to generate
00:57:22
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is 3 million of them,
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that you could be waiting months more to get the next three million.
00:57:28
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We don't know how well all of this stuff works.
00:57:30
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It says that apparently in Quo's report that production will be able to ramp up shortly,
00:57:34
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but that's still going to then just fulfill the people that are pre-order.
00:57:39
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I think this is probably going to be one of the worst four waiting times that maybe we've
00:57:43
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ever seen for the iPhone.
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I'm intrigued.
00:57:45
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I mean, for me personally, I know that maybe this sounds silly, but it's important to me.
00:57:52
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I will be frustrated if I'm not able to get one soon because I want to be able to talk about it on the shows
00:57:57
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Right because otherwise it will be like maybe a month of me going like still haven't got it
00:58:02
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And then when I get it, nobody cares what I think anymore
00:58:04
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You know, no one wants to review anymore because it's two months, right? Right. So yeah, I hope that I'm able to get one
00:58:09
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I'm gonna try my best to get one
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And just see how we go and then hope with fingers crossed that you get one and maybe Federico gets one
00:58:19
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PR or something like that and then hope so then we'll have stuff to talk about on the show
00:58:22
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So that's my main thing if I don't get one
00:58:25
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I don't care as long as you have one because if you have one we want to go on this show
00:58:29
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No, but you know what? I mean?
00:58:30
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It's like because that's that's the thing that's most important to me like obviously I really want this phone
00:58:34
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But the thing that takes the most importance is being able to talk about it here
00:58:39
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So people can hear about it because that's what people are tuning in for so fingers crossed
00:58:43
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On all fronts and then maybe I'll fly to California and just press some buttons if he'll soon as
00:58:50
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- But you got confused, I assume,
00:58:53
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thinking that there is a phone to be ordered
00:58:56
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and you've ordered a phone already.
00:58:57
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You did something, it says in our document.
00:58:59
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Did you accidentally pre-order too soon, Jason?
00:59:02
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What happened to you?
00:59:02
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- No, I bought an iPhone 8 this weekend.
00:59:04
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- Okay, okay.
00:59:06
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Were you just getting ready?
00:59:07
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Like, you know, you were like priming the pump,
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getting some practice in for the ordering process?
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- No, I mean, I did look actually online
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to see if I could order it and just have it shipped to me
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and it said, "Oh, that iPhone 8 will be there in two weeks."
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Or you can just go up to your local Apple store
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that's one exit up the freeway and buy it today.
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- You've always gotta go up the freeway, Jason.
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We've learned that so far for this season.
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Always go up the freeway.
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- Go to the Apple store, go to the Apple store.
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This time I was recognized.
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I walked in the door and the guy said, "Jason."
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- Mr. Smith. - And I don't know whether
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that's that he knows me or who I am through local things.
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I didn't recognize him or whether they like do mug shots of the people who have placed an order and are coming into the store
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I don't know, but it was quite strange. I was wearing my purple ATP t-shirt. So maybe that was a
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Thing too, but I did I went up there and came back with a space gray iPhone 8
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My wife has been using an iPhone 6 for the last three years and
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The you may not have heard this mic but a couple of things happen after three years of using an iPhone 6 one is
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the battery life has been a problem for the last six months the battery starts to get old three-year-old battery and
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The other thing and this is something that people have been complaining about a little bit on the internet
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And I have seen it for myself and my wife's phone and my daughter's phone, which is
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Really is really bad on iPhone 6 like I was 10 was fine
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I don't know what they did, but iOS 11 is really bad on iPhone 6.
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And as much as I roll my eyes at the conspiracy theories about Apple making old phones slow
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so that you have to upgrade to new phones, the fact is iOS 10 was fine on the iPhone 6.
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And iOS 11 is really bad, and you can't go back now.
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I would just tell my daughter to go back to iOS 10, and she can't.
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The biggest problem is the battery life.
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Yeah, the battery life.
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So what I'm doing with my wife is I bought her an iPhone 8.
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What I'm doing with my daughter is I bought her
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a replacement battery and I'm gonna replace the battery
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in her phone.
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And I'm gonna make her still use her iPhone.
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- You're gonna replace the battery in the phone?
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I got the iFixit kit.
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I'm ready to go.
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I'm just gonna, and you know what, Myke, if I break it,
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I got another iPhone 6.
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That's my wife's old phone.
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So, but yeah, I'm gonna try to do it that way for her.
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But the iOS, I hope that they can make some changes,
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but I'm not particularly optimistic that Apple is spending any time trying to make iOS 11
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work better on older phones, but it's pretty sad that the iPhone 6, which is a pretty good,
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powerful phone, it just struggles. Like, you type something in Spotlight and you gotta
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wait like five or ten seconds for it to come up with a response, and if you tap on an app,
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sometimes you're like, "Okay, I tapped on the app." And then finally the Apple launch,
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like it's really kind of unforgivable that it is so bad on an iPhone 6. But my wife's
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happy because she's got an iPhone 8 now. And we had to buy her a new case because the camera
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is different and so her old case that she likes covers part of the camera now. So we
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got her a new case to not cover that camera. And it's all good. A funny thing happened
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last week too, which is that I have an iPhone 8 review unit, and yes, I am
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eventually going to write an iPhone 8 review. I finally got an angle for it.
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This is the angle. I took it to release notes and it was like everybody
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was like, "Ooh, is that the iPhone 8?" And I realized that this is a
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nerd conference and all the nerds are waiting for the iPhone X and none of
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them have seen an iPhone 8 because it's just not even on their
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radar it's like the lost phone for at least for nerds and for like real serious
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tech enthusiasm about Apple it's all about the iPhone 10 to the point that I
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was kind of taken aback I did not expect the level like it happened at least a
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half a dozen times where somebody was like oh is that the eight because I
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don't I don't have a case on it so it's very clearly like the the glass back and
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There were also a bunch of like, Jason's got an eight,
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show him, you know, he hasn't seen the eight,
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so show it, like a lot.
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So I really got the message talking about our previous topic
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like, oh boy, there's gonna be a lot of people
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trying to get the 10, 'cause they've just passed the eight
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by the fact that I could like a month after the phone
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came out, I could bring it to a tech conference
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and nobody had seen one before.
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- Like I got to hold one which I hadn't done before
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and I love the glass, oh man, I'm so excited
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for the iPhone X to have the glass back again.
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I've forgotten how much I missed that.
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But I am, what I want is a bumper case again.
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And I hope people make those.
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- For the iPhone X.
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'Cause it's glass so I don't want no case.
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But I would prefer to not have a case
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and keep the phone thinner.
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So a bumper case would be real good
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because the bumper doesn't add noticeable thickness
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when it's in your hand.
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'Cause you're holding it right
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and the bumper's just in your hand.
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You don't really notice it.
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So I'm hoping, I mean there have always been bumper cases,
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like you can get bumper cases for the six line.
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So I'm hoping that somebody, but like a really good company
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makes one of these bumper cases again.
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That's what I'm hoping for.
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Because it's a glass phone,
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so I feel it's gonna be more susceptible to being broken,
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but I want to be able to just hold it
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in the way it's meant to be held.
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- I see what you're saying.
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My last thought about the iPhone 8,
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I am gonna write all this down at some point,
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maybe this week, is am I saying that since all the nerds
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hadn't, were like, ooh, show me your iPhone 8,
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which is the first time that I've ever gone a month
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and gone to a tech conference and people have been
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interested in the phone that I've been carrying, right?
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Because by that time, everybody's got one.
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Everybody's seen it.
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But the truth is, who's the iPhone 8 for?
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And for that, I take you back to the start
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of this conversation, which is,
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I bought an iPhone 8 this weekend because for my wife, who is on an iPhone 6, the iPhone
01:05:23
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8 is a huge upgrade. She's not going to want me to spend, you know, she was like, "Go buy
01:05:28
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me a phone. I just don't want to deal with this anymore. You do it." I'm like, "All right,
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I'll do it." Like, she's not going to spend $1,000 on an iPhone 10. She doesn't want an
01:05:35
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iPhone 10. She doesn't need an iPhone 10. She doesn't care. She and I had the conversation
01:05:40
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about whether I should just buy her an iPhone 7, honestly. And I was like, "You know, you're
01:05:43
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the kind of person who uses a phone for three years let's get you the latest
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phone and you'll use it for three years and then we'll get you an iPhone
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whatever that is 12 11 s 10 point x point I I whatever it is I don't know
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and and that's what the iPhone 8 is for it's for people who don't want to spend
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that money who have an old phone and they just want the new phone that is
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like their old phone but better and faster and doesn't isn't slow under iOS
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and doesn't have a bad battery or whatever and that's what the iPhone 8 is
01:06:15
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therefore it talk about a release valve for the Mac Mini. The iPhone 8 is kind of
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a release valve too because the the tech cutting-edge people, sorry I called you
01:06:25
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nerds but I do it with love, the tech nerds and and people who want to be on
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the cutting edge and people for whom money is no object and people who can
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wait and are very patient will get the iPhone 10 and that's fine but the iPhone
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8 is for everybody else who's upgrading from a 6 or a 6s and they don't need to go to the
01:06:44
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10 the 8 is going to be a really nice upgrade for them and that that hit home this week
01:06:49
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when I noticed all the tech nerds hadn't seen it before and then I went and I just I bought
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one and it you know it made my wife happy and my daughter is unhappy because she does
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I'm not gonna buy her a new iPhone that's not gonna happen so yeah so so that's that's
01:07:05
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That was my iPhone 8 education this week on both who doesn't want it and who does want
01:07:10
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Rafal wants to know, Jason, I'm gonna ask you Jason,
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do you think that the AirPower mat
01:09:27
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will be able to charge multiple iPhones?
01:09:29
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- It's a great question,
01:09:32
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especially since there are now two phones in my house
01:09:35
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that support wireless charging, which is fun, right?
01:09:39
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I had that moment where I showed my wife that,
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oh, you can just, it was literally the upgrade
01:09:45
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from a few weeks ago, which is, oh, you can land your phone
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on this helicopter pad, or you can just plug it in.
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That's easy.
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And she's like, oh, all right, like, why would I do that?
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And I'm like, I don't know, it's kind of fun and cool,
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but also dumb.
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- Do you use the wireless charging?
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- I feel like I'm almost using it ironically now.
01:10:02
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- Yeah, okay.
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I plugged it in to try it.
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And so now it's sitting over where--
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it's sitting right next to where all the USB cords are,
01:10:12
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which is next to the microwave oven in the kitchen, which is
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where we charge all our phones.
01:10:15
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It's in the kitchen.
01:10:16
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There's a counter there next to the microwave.
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And there's an outlet there with four USB.
01:10:23
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And it's just got cables coming out of it.
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And all the phones gets charged there.
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And the batteries get charged there.
01:10:30
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And that's like the charging station.
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And I ran from behind the microwave,
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I plugged in the cord that goes to the wireless thing
01:10:38
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and it sits there too.
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And I come into the house and I'm like,
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I could plug it in.
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I'm like, well, the stupid helicopter pad is there.
01:10:46
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I might as well just lay it on that.
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And then I do and it's fine.
01:10:50
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But I have not like moved it somewhere else
01:10:52
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or integrated into some other part of my life
01:10:54
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because I haven't found a need or value in it or anything.
01:10:57
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Like the cables work pretty well.
01:10:59
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So I think at some point I will just go,
01:11:01
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this is dumb that this is taking up space on my counter
01:11:03
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and I'll just take it and I'll put it away somewhere.
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So I'd say no.
01:11:08
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Now that Lauren's got the iPhone 8 too,
01:11:10
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I had that moment of,
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oh well, if at some point,
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if the AirPower thing charged multiple phones,
01:11:19
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I could put the mat down here
01:11:21
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and it would be,
01:11:24
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and you could still put like papers or other stuff on it
01:11:26
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and it wouldn't be a big deal,
01:11:27
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but if you laid a phone on it, it would charge it.
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and that would be kind of cool.
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So I hope, I don't know, but I hope it will,
01:11:36
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Apple's spec sheet says,
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"Simultaneously charge up to three devices."
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So my hope is that that means any three devices.
01:11:44
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- Why three?
01:11:46
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- Keep in mind, they had to modify this whole,
01:11:48
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you know, charging the Qi charging standard
01:11:50
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to support multiple device charge.
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And it must be that in terms of engineering,
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this is the most they could do.
01:11:56
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It also may be just the power output of the pad.
01:11:58
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But surely, like, they're all different power requirements, right?
01:12:03
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Like, three iPhones will need more power than three Anapods cases.
01:12:07
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Yeah, but they may have to weave, like, three different sets of power transfer coils into this thing.
01:12:12
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Right, okay.
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And have them be, like, for—because they have to charge independently of one another.
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I don't know the engineering—there's probably a lot of very weird electrical engineering happening in these pads.
01:12:21
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The dream, of course, right, is that you have a big charging pad that you can lay down and just put wherever devices on it.
01:12:28
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and it's a surface in your home,
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you can put just papers on it or whatever,
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but if you lay a device that's relevant,
01:12:33
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you know, and compatible next to it,
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it just charges it and that's great.
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Like that's the dream here.
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And this is like a first step toward that.
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But if that's all true,
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I will be sorely tempted to buy an air power mat
01:12:46
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for that counter space in my kitchen,
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because I know that what that means is that my wife
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and I will both just be able to lay our phones down
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in that space where we already charge them,
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not helicopter them down right on top of a plastic puck, but just sort of lay them down
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and they'll charge. And that I might do. That would be more interesting. So I think that's
01:13:07
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the dream. We'll see. It's next year anyway. That's another... So many things we're talking
01:13:13
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about are like 2018 things this week. That's a 2018 thing.
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Rajiv wants to know, "Are either of you two having crashing issues on the Apple TV 4K?
01:13:21
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I have to reboot often because of navigation problems. I haven't had anything like this,
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No, me neither. All of my issues have been like CBS All Access being broken. Every now
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and then there's an app that behaves weirdly, but I haven't had any problems with the Apple
01:13:41
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And I've not heard anybody else say this either, so sorry, Rajiv.
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Napali asked, "I scanned some old black and white photos. They're sized around 20-40 megabytes
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each. Will photos convert to HEIC? Is that it? HEIF? No HEIF. HEIF, right? HEIF. Oh my
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god. See HEIF. See, no problem. They got the HEVC and HEIF.
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Well HEIC is the container file. It's worse, Myke. HEIC is the container file format for
01:14:10
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a HEIF file. Why? HEIC is a HEIF container file. God, I need to update my photos book
01:14:18
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because this is so confusing.
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I am, I'm gonna do that in the next month.
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- Napali's question is,
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will photos convert these images to heath
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or do I need to do it,
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or does they need to do it themselves
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before putting them into photos?
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- Photos doesn't do any file conversion,
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so you would need to convert that to a heath file
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and then bring it in,
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because photos doesn't do that.
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I mean, it'll convert out to a compatible format
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if it needs to,
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but what you bring in is what it takes in.
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If you bring in a compatible file format,
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even if it's this big ping, it will take it
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and just have it, 'cause it doesn't wanna mess
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with your files.
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So you should do that conversion yourself,
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make sure you're happy with it,
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make sure that it looks good,
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because that's gonna be your original from that point on.
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So be sure, but you should do that yourself.
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- All right, next up comes from Steven.
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How do you transfer video content from the Mac to the iPad,
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for example, Blu-ray rips or downloads?
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Jason, what do you do?
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I used to attach a wire and drag it over from,
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like sync it via iTunes,
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but I've stopped doing that
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because iTunes is not good at that.
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And currently I use Plex.
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So I have the Plex app on my iPad
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and I have my movies all on my Plex server.
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And before I go on a trip,
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I bring up the movie and I save it to my iPad.
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And it basically downloads the file from my Plex server.
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- Is that doing that local,
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is it downloading from your local network
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or is it downloading from the internet?
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Is downloading from the local network?
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- No, it's downloading from my server.
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It attaches to my server 'cause the Plex app on iOS,
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I can play movies that are sitting on my server.
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- Yeah, I knew that.
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- And I can just watch them, right?
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So you just say, you basically you save it.
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And then when you're in mobile mode, basically,
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you can watch those movies on your iPad using the Plex app.
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So that's generally what I do.
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I use other apps before where I would attach by wire
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and then use just the app part of iTunes
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where it's like the file transfer part of iTunes,
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which really should be in the finder and not in iTunes,
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but that's just on the list.
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But Plex has made it a little easier.
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So now before I go on a trip,
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I have that moment of like,
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do I wanna download movies or TV shows
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from iTunes that I own?
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Do I wanna download movies or TV shows from Plex?
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Do I want to download Amazon or Netflix shows
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that I can cache on my iPad?
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And I do all of that before I go on a trip.
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but for the stuff that is not in iTunes,
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if I've got it on Plex and on iTunes,
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honestly, I will just download the iTunes version
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'cause that's super easy.
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But I will, if it's only available on Plex,
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I just download it on Plex and do it that way,
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and that works great.
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- I know Casey's gonna be so mad
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that I asked a question about Plex
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and just didn't have the answer, right?
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'Cause he's always trying to convince me to use it.
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- Yeah, what do you do?
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- I don't have any local media,
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So it's either downloading iTunes movies or TV shows or I'm downloading videos on Netflix
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or Amazon Prime like there you go because you can download locally stuff for both of those like
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I don't keep local media like I don't even have a way to like take a blu-ray and make a thing out
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of it right so you know I did it works for me you know everything's in iTunes and I have not a huge
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iTunes library but I have an iTunes library with a bunch of content that I really enjoy
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So typically when I'm on planes I tend to just watch movies I've already seen before.
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I just watch the stuff that I like otherwise I'll just watch what's on the plane because the plane
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has all the new movies right so it's like I have my favorites on my iPad or I watched the movies
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on the plane because they're all new stuff that I've never seen before. I cannot remember the last
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time I watched a movie on a plane and you know why it's because the plane screens aren't as good
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as the screens that I own. And they're massively inconsistent right so when we the audio is bad
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when we flew out to Chicago the flight out the screen was one of those like ancient like yeah
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four inch it felt like cross and it had a terrible coating on top of it I mean I was good because like
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I was just playing switch or whatever yeah it's a standard shiny grainy standard def screen and
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then you plug in your headphones and you get the audio but in the background is like a kind of like
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weird hum it's not good like I'm sure there are good airplane things but but the fact is
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I have a huge iPad screen, it's like a giant HD iPad screen, it's great, that's when I
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want to watch things.
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Yeah, but the thing is like, so, okay, in favor of the airplane experience.
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Okay, Myke, in defense of the airplane.
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Most flights take a transatlantic, and they tend to be newer planes, this was a weird
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one that I had when it was old.
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So honestly, in most instances, the TV screens will do the job just fine, and they have typically
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a better selection of movies than I'm bringing with me.
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Right, like that's just like for me personally. So that's why I would do it. I have done it.
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I don't always do it, but I have no like philosophical problem with you, with like
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watching movies on a plane. Um, so, but typically I will watch stuff on my iPad, but it's things
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that I'm bringing with me. Um, unless there is like a new film that I specifically wanted to
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watch. Right. So like I'm on a flight recently, I got Deadpool and captain strange and captain
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America's all movies and scene. Dr. Strange. He's not a captain. No, it's a different version here.
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it's like you know how they renamed the Avengers, they're calling it Captain Strange here, don't
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worry about it, it's a British thing, don't worry about it, just don't look it up either.
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Chris wants to know if you get a cellular series 3 watch and don't activate cellular,
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will you get longer battery life? I would expect so, but I don't know.
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I haven't tested it but I don't see why you wouldn't, right, because every time the cellular
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watch gets activated, the cellular features get activated, it's going to use battery.
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If the question is, will I get better than the Series 2, I don't know. If the question is, will I get better
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battery than if I was using the cellular, then yes. I don't know if the Series 3 watch has
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massively different battery life than the Series 2 in general. But if you're using the
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cellular radio, you get worse battery. I would imagine it's not as... I mean, if the idea is,
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well, I want the most battery life, so I'm going to buy the cellular version instead of the non-cellular
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Series 3. I don't think that's going to help you. Because my gut feeling here is that they
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have the same battery, more or less, and it's just a matter of, um, you, it's trying very
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hard not to use the cellular radio except when you exactly need it, and when you do,
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you lose battery life, and that's part of the cellular battery life experience. So I
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don't think there's like a secret, one secret trick to more Apple Watch battery life is
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is to buy the cellular and not turn it on.
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I don't think that's it.
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- On Apple's comparison page,
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series three with cellular,
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series three with GPS and series one
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are all quoted with up to 18 hours battery life.
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So Apple rates them all the same,
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even the watch you currently have.
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- Because the way they rate battery life
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is doing the same things.
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And then they say with cellular,
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if you talk on the phone for two hours,
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then you'll drain the entire battery, right?
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That's, but it's not part of the, I think, yeah,
01:21:31
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in terms of just normal use, it's exactly the same.
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And then you get your cellular use,
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like is deducted from your runtime.
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- John said, pictures taken at my house
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are spread across a huge radius in the map view
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in photos in many stacks.
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Are there any tips that you have, Jason,
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on merging these or getting all these photos
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to recognize the same location?
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- Yeah, basically you wanna select all those photos
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and then you choose Command + I to bring up the info palette
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and you can actually drop a pin in one particular location
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and that sets the location for all those photos.
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So you can manually reset the location of your photos.
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And so if you wanna force all of your house photos
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to be in one location,
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the other way to do it is just zoom out a little bit.
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Because if you zoom out,
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it will agglomerate them all together in one place.
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- But if you are a picky person about that data,
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which I understand, then--
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- Yeah, if you're super frustrated about the fact
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that they are slightly in slightly different locations,
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then that would be the way to do it,
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is to just select those photos,
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which you may have to create an album or something
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in order to select them all.
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But once you've selected them
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and you open up the info palette,
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you can actually go in and move the pin
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to a different location,
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and it should overwrite the data
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and override your selection
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and put them all in the same place.
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or go in one at a time and then drop their pin at the same location
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because within a few feet of one another, they are, um, you know,
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they're all just kind of like marked together.
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So it's okay.
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And Brandon asks the question that I am asked many times a week,
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but I'm always happy to answer because it results in good things.
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Brandon wants to know, shall I get the 10.5 inch or the 12.9 inch i5 Pro?
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Uh, I will be using it for researching.
01:23:26
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I usually watch videos or surf in Safari while taking notes at the same time.
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I tend to work either at my desk or the couch.
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Brandon, in your situation, I would recommend getting the 12.9 because it sounds
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like you're in fixed places, either an office or at home.
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And if you're doing that, if you're planning on buying this iPad and mostly
01:23:45
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using it in one location, I mostly recommend the 12.9 for this because as
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well, if video and notes and Safari are all involved, the extra screen space
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is going to be great for you.
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So in this instance for Brandon, I would recommend the 12.9.
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I am updating my personal overall pick to be the 10.5.
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I think that in most instances for most people,
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the 10.5 inch iPad Pro is the perfect iPad,
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but there are certain instances where I'd recommend a 12.9
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and for Brandon, I would recommend a 12.9.
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- I agree 100%.
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- If you wanna find our show notes for this week,
01:24:24
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Head on over to relay.fm/upgrades/164.
01:24:27
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Jason is online, he is @jasonel on Twitter.
01:24:30
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Even when he's offline, he's still @jasonel on Twitter.
01:24:32
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So it's always, you know, the accounts always there.
01:24:34
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You just tweet him, he'll get to you when he wants to.
01:24:36
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He's the incomparable.com
01:24:37
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for many of Jason's incredible shows,
01:24:39
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focused, would you say, mostly on pop culture, right?
01:24:42
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Is that a good way to like sum up the incomparable?
01:24:44
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But there's game shows and there's Dungeons & Dragons
01:24:47
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playthroughs and loads of amazing content.
01:24:49
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- Entertainment and culture and silly stuff
01:24:51
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and all of that stuff.
01:24:52
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and then the more like tech and, although,
01:24:56
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Lift Off is about space, I don't know what that's about.
01:24:58
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Anyway, there's also shows on Relay FM.
01:24:59
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- Space technology, space technology, we'll go with that.
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- It is, it's techy, sure.
01:25:03
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- Yeah, and yeah, Jason hosts many shows at Relay FM,
01:25:06
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some great ones, really great ones, not just Upgrade.
01:25:08
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Upgrade's amazing, but they're all the great shows.
01:25:09
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- Some of the great shows!
01:25:10
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- Some of the great shows, Jason's on them,
01:25:12
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but all of the shows at Jason's on are great,
01:25:14
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so they are all the great shows.
01:25:15
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Sixcolors.com for Jason's work,
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you can find me at Relay.fm.
01:25:20
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I host many shows, I think seven,
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I think seven. I think that's how many shows that I do. Somebody asked me at release notes
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and I don't have to count it and I think I missed something.
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I've got a new answer to that. I just say I can't count that high now when they say
01:25:32
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how many shows do you host. It's like I've lost count. I can't count that high.
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Nobody knows. Nobody knows.
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Nope. It can't be calculated. It's impossible.
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Thanks again to our fine sponsors this week. PDF Pen Family, products from Smile, Timing,
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and Encapsular. We'll be back next time. Until then, say goodbye, Jason Snow.
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Love your show.
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Love your show.
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