185: The March 2018 Apple Event Draft
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From Relay FM, this is Upgrade episode 185 and today is a draft day. It is the March
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Education Event 2018 draft. This episode is brought to you by Squarespace, TextExpander,
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FreshBooks and SaneBox. My name is Myke Hurley and I am joined by, I'm assuming an equally excited,
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Mr. Jason Snell. Who is not excited about going to an Apple event? I would say, well,
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probably there are plenty of people. I'm excited, Myke. I'm excited.
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Good. I have a #SnellTalk question. I ended up writing one in myself this week because
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relevancy for this episode, because when we were originally going through the doc and
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putting this all together, nobody knew that you were going to be going to Chicago this
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week. But here we are. So I have a question for you. Jason, you're going to be heading
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heading out to Chicago next week. What food are you going to hunt down on your return
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Well, we were just there, which is kind of funny, to go back to Chicago.
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Exactly. We were there in October.
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And I was thinking about this. I'm not there very long. This is one of the things that
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we could talk about it in a minute or we could talk about it now. But I literally woke up
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on -- when was that? Thursday morning. And I had a whole stream of Slack messages in
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notification center on my iPad from you.
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And it's like seven in the morning.
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And I didn't even understand what I was seeing
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'cause you were talking about a draft
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and you had a Twitter link and the Twitter link expanded
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in Slack to explain what was going on,
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but in notification center, it only shows the Twitter URL.
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And so then I opened Slack and I read it and I'm, again,
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I'm waking up and I'm like,
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"Oh, there's an Apple education event
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and we'll be doing a draft
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and we'll then have to do a post event thing."
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So I from bed while wearing my pajamas, I made plane reservations, made a hotel
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reservation, talked to Alex Cox about using the Chicago podcast co-op recording
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studio, which is the place where we ate pizza.
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As you remember Chicago pizza for Dubai Friday, episode 47.
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Um, all of that.
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And in my pajamas and, uh, but as a result, it is a whirlwind trip.
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I decided I'm not going to stay.
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I'm going to fly in on Monday.
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evening and go to the event and fly home Tuesday night. So I'm not hanging around Chicago.
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This is a less than two weeks notice kind of quick trip. So what time will I have? Apple
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feeds you breakfast at the event and they might even give us food at the end of the
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event for kind of a lunchy thing. So I'm unsure whether I'm going to need any lunch. Although
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if I do need lunch, I probably will try to get some pizza somewhere because I do actually
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like the pizza that's in Chicago, but I have to make my way quickly to the studio in order
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for us to do our thing. And then that leaves me with whatever happens afterward, and that's
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just a question of timing because I have to get back to the airport. If I have time, maybe
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my vaunted Chicago pizza drop-in happens then. Otherwise, I will be doing what has become
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a custom for me and is also a custom for our friend Dr. Drang, actually, when he flies
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through Midway Airport in Chicago, which is you get yourself a Chicago-style hot dog in
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Midway Airport and you eat it and then you fly away. That may be what it is. It may be
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the old airport hot dog again, but it's sort of a kind of a fun tradition to go to a...
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That is a place that prioritizes hot dogs is what I'm saying. I've had many a hot dog
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in Chicago. So I'm leaving it open. It may be the airport hot dog. It might be some pizza
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because I do love the pizza. We'll just have to see.
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If you'd like to send in a question to open a future episode, just send a tweet with the
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hashtag SnellTalk or if you have access directly to our Google document like me and Jason do,
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you can just put one in on your own.
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But unfortunately that is a very specific and small group.
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So hashtag SnellTalk tweets.
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Thank you to listener Myke for submitting that question.
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Yeah, listener Jason next week is going to ask SnellTalk like what is the secret to your
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Why are you so wonderful?
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How are you so handsome?
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How do you do that?
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So we've made reference to it, we've spoken about it, but in complete directness there
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is going to be an Apple event next Tuesday, the 27th in Chicago at a high school, which
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is a extremely different venue and Apple are calling it a field trip.
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Let's take a field trip, it says the invitation.
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We have a list of picks, we're going to do our draft, I'm going to explain the draft
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rules in a moment in case this is your first time coming to a draft episode of Upgrade.
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I wanted to kind of get your thoughts on this event in context or as a whole, why are they
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doing this now? Why not just press releases for whatever products that they've got? Why
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are they doing this in Chicago? Why is it at a high school? What is going on here? They
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just opened an incredible theater, right? Like why are they doing this?
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- Yeah, I think the idea here is Apple previously did an event in New York City that was an
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education themed event. But that was like an event space or something though wasn't
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it like it wasn't it was like the Guggenheim. My understanding is that this high school
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has a couple thousand person auditorium slash probably slash basketball court you know if
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it's a high school I assume all the auditoriums are also the where they play basketball because
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schools like to double team a lot of this stuff but they have a space to have an event
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and they're gonna have an event in it.
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So some of that, I think this is a high school
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that has worked with Apple on tech stuff before.
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So it's a chance for Apple to, okay, let's back up.
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Also, I'll mention Apple does have this Chicago on the brain
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because they just opened their store
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on the loop in Chicago.
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And I suspect that you'll see them do some like special stuff
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in the Apple store in Chicago around this event too.
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I wouldn't know what it might be because I'll be eating a hot dog at the airport at that
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point probably. So the idea here when Apple ever does an event really is that they're
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telling a story, right? The whole idea with marketing and the way they do it is they're
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telling a story about a product or many products. And I think Apple maybe saw a way, given what
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products they've got ready to go this spring a way for them to do to tell that
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story in the context of Apple in education which is an important market
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for Apple and also a market where there's some really fierce competition
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especially from Google with Google Classroom and Chromebooks in general
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even my son's school which is iPad one-to-one they're all using Google
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classroom with it. So it's like it's it's that's that's an interesting part. It may
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also be that they just looked at the the products that were available and thought there's a
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there's a story to be told here. There's a story we can we can build we can weave around
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education and it makes Apple look good and we could even hold it. What if we what if
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we held it at a at a high school and they're like, well, we you know, we work with this
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high school in Chicago and I think I think it was a series of events that leads to us,
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But I think it's all about the story they want to tell, and presumably we will see in
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the products that they discuss that they're all around this kind of theme of using Apple
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stuff in education. So it's a high concept thing, and I think that one of the challenges
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for Apple is that putting it in a different place means the people who do Apple's events
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have to spend time in Chicago instead of in their homes in the Bay Area, which is where
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they all live. And so that's more expense and time for them. And you know, the people
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like me who have literally never flown anywhere for an Apple event before, like an Apple media
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event, I've flown to like Macworld Expo in New York and Boston, but like to just a random
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Apple event. And I realized, you know, many of my colleagues always fly to Apple events.
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So the shoe is on the other foot, especially the ones who live in Chicago, I suppose. But,
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you know, it's they can call an event almost anywhere and people will come and they'll
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do at this time. So I think this was a good place for them to show off their concept.
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And I guess as well, if they are going, as we expect, for like, you know, not whiz-bang,
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huge stuff, but maybe some just more focused education products, by setting it here, it
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kind of sets people's expectations going into this, that this is going to be a specific
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event for a certain thing. They're not going to show off the next iPhone by surprise, you
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know, it's going to be a more focused event than it would be maybe if they did
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it in the Steve Jobs theater. Yeah, I think that may be true. Also the, I don't
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know, what what do they think of the Steve Jobs theater? Maybe they feel that
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it is an event that is more appropriate. I don't know, but there is that thought
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of like, well, we only have this to announce. Do we really want to call
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everybody to the Steve Jobs theater? Maybe iPhones only get announced there, right? Like it might just be
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the September event that happens there and nothing else.
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- I think that would be unfortunate
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because it's a great venue and it's a venue they control.
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Also, I will point out that people are moving
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into Apple Park.
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Like I think that process is still going on.
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We've been seeing tweets over the last few months
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of people saying, well, here's my last day at the Loop.
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I'm going in Apple Park and people are moving in
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and getting settled there.
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Maybe they also have this feeling like,
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let's not complicate things at Apple Park right now.
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That's also a possibility.
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But you're right, it may be like,
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oh, well, we don't want people to get really excited
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about an event at the Steve Jobs Theater
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and then have it be like a minor update to an iPad
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or something like that, right?
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But I think more likely it's the idea
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that this is a great opportunity
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to weave this education story and really put a point on it.
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And by doing that at a school,
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that allows them to emphasize that.
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And it's a high concept kind of thing
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that somebody in Apple's events and marketing group,
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whether it's like, I'm sure Phil Schiller gave the thumbs up
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but whoever came up with the idea of like,
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well, will you do this in a little bit of a different venue?
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It could also be that it is specifically like stemming
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from some unavailability on the Apple campus of like,
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well, no, we really can't do it at Steve Jobs Theater
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in this window because, or we prefer not to,
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let's get creative, who knows?
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this is also a question that hasn't been seemed to be a clear answer for it yet for many reasons
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but my expectation is it will be but will we see it like outside of the people that
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are going to be in the room is there going to be a live video I would be very surprised
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if there wasn't one just because that's how things have been for a long time now yeah
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I think that's the standard but but you're right one of the things that we that I always
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remember from the Yerba Buena events that they used to hell hold up in in San Francisco
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the Yerba Buena Theater is near Moscone West, but it is a different venue. And for that,
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they would have a bunch of trucks outside that was basically their video production,
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and they would have to set it all up well in advance. This is the advantage of something
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like Steve Jobs Theater, which presumably has a lot of that equipment built into it.
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They will presumably need to do that kind of thing at the high school in Chicago. I
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think it's a technology magnet public school in Chicago, by the way. That's my understanding,
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and it apparently is a very impressive campus, looks like almost like a college campus, and
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it's a showpiece, which I would expect nothing less for something picked by Apple to be their
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promotional venue.
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As useful as it is for me to be able to watch the video, especially as we're going to be
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recording straight after, there would be something kind of fun and nostalgic and following along
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with live blogs, you know, giving live blogs a reason to exist again, you know, like most
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websites, including you, like continue to do them even though most people just watch
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the videos now, but it would be kind of funny to follow along with a bunch of live blogs
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again, although I would prefer to watch a video. But anyway.
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>> Yeah, I think we don't live in that world anymore.
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>> We do not. >> Alas.
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>> So let's do the draft. These are the rules. Okay, so we're going to do eight rounds in
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this draft, which will be 16 overall picks, so we pick eight things each. We have a list
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of items that we're going to be drawing from, although Jason likes to throw spinal tap in
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whenever he can, I expect that to occur. The winner of the previous draft gets first pick,
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the winner of the last draft that we had was the September draft, which Jason won, so he
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will be picking first. For an item to count as points being able to be scored against
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it, it must either be clearly announced on stage or featured on a slide during the presentation
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itself. Stephen Hackett will be adjudicating in case of a scoring stalemate between me
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and Jason. We prefer to score ourselves, but when we can't, we ask for outside help.
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No half points awarded. It is pure points and none or none, and there can be adjudication
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and discussion over those on our next episode. No points are awarded for anything preannounced,
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so if something gets preannounced between now and the event, it does not count.
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Unless it's mentioned on stage.
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Unless it's mentioned on stage, yes.
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Right, so there has to be something on stage.
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Which is probably unlikely, but if they said, "Oh yes, by the way, we announced last week
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this thing that happened," I guess you get the point for that, because we can't see the
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But it doesn't count if it was--just as it doesn't count if it was not announced during
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the event but snuck out in our press release, it also doesn't count if it was preannounced
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and not mentioned at the event.
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The points that are awarded on the next episode are final and there will be a scorecard in
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the show notes for you to play along at home.
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So let's get started with our picks but before we do let me take our first break.
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Okay you ready Jason Snell?
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As I'll ever be.
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Okay so you get to go first. What is your first draft pick? Your first prediction that
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you think is going to happen at next week's event?
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Well I think a no-brainer and I'm going for the points here.
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Gotta go for the points? Well you gotta play for points.
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you gotta play for points that's why we do this. I think that on stage at a school when
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Apple is talking about education which they undoubtedly are that one of the things that
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they're going to talk about is Apple Classroom which for people who don't know there's a
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whole suite of features that are available for education from Apple you may not like
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the best example of a weird one is the ability to have different users on an iPad which is
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not available to regular people but is available in education. So I'm going to predict purely
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because it seems logical that this will happen that Apple will announce and potentially even
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show, but they will mention new features to Apple Classroom. I'm not going to pick just
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Apple Classroom will be mentioned because I think that is a little bit too easy, but
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I'm going to say that they will announce some new features.
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All right, that is a very good one. I must say that is a very good one. I have something
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that I think will be mentioned.
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She's akin to this, but I'm not going to pick it just yet.
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Um, I'm going to go for hardware cause I expect there to be some hardware and I'm
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going to take a cue from the invitation.
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And I'm going to say that there will be a new iPad, a new basic level iPad.
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The 9.7 will receive a refresh of some description.
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Um, and because that is the iPad that gets sold into schools,
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like that's the popular one.
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So I expect that we will see some kind of iPad revision at the bottom end of the line
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announced at this event.
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The plain old iPad.
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Plain old iPad.
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That they brought back after the iPad Air went away and then came back.
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So which would this be like the sixth generation iPad?
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Is that what it would be?
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Something like that, six or seven.
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I feel like this one is a pretty good as a lock, right?
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Like it's a year since they updated it last time, right?
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It's an education event.
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is the one that we heard from so many people when it came out. Like this is the iPad I've
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been waiting for for schools. There's a lot of discussion about maybe that iPad was one
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of the reasons that we got the turnaround, right? Because there was finally an iPad that
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could go in on like mass purchasing in schools again. This one, and you know, the invitation
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itself is kind of a swirly Apple logo, right? Which could kind of hint towards Apple pencil.
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we're going to get to that maybe in a little bit.
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I feel like we're pretty good at thinking
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that there will be a new iPad announced.
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- Yeah, I think that there's a good chance of that.
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And it is the one that they will be selling into education.
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It hasn't gotten an update in a year.
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And by you're covering all the bases,
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by saying it'll just be new, what's in it?
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Well, it's still to play for,
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but basically updating that base iPad
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that's not an iPad Pro.
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- Yeah, because there are still some picks
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that we have available on our list, which we'll get to,
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which are features for that iPad,
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but they are specific things that I think is good
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to separate from the fact that they're being an iPad or not.
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- I agree with you, why don't I pick one of those now?
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- Go for it.
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- I'm gonna predict that because you mentioned
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the invitation, which has that writing that says,
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let's take a field trip with an Apple logo.
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I'm going to say that that new basic iPad
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that you just mentioned will support Apple Pencil,
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which would be the first non-iPad Pro
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to support Apple Pencil,
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because it's hard for me to look at that invitation
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and think that Apple is going to withhold the Apple Pencil
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from their education story.
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- Yeah, I mean, I'm really intrigued
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to see how this one works.
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This feels like something which they,
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you know, every now and then,
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and especially in the events,
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there can be teases in the events, right?
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think about the iPhone 7 with the bokeh effect in it and stuff like that.
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But just from a pure logical perspective, Apple Pencil support on an iPad in education
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does make a lot of sense.
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I'm just really intrigued to see what happens to the iPad Pro line after that.
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But I think that one of the things that we're going to see for the time being is the iPad
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Pro this year will probably get Face ID and thinner bezels and all that stuff.
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But maybe that kind of helps differentiate it more as a Pro for a while and the Apple
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Pencil can start to find its way into new devices.
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There could be a new Apple Pencil with the new iPad Pro which has more features but this
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regular iPad gets regular Apple Pencil features.
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I think in the past it has been maybe a risk to put the Apple Pencil down on the lowest
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iPad because what differentiates it from the Pro.
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But I think depending on the other things that we're probably going to see later on
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this year, I think now could be the right time to do it.
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>> Yeah, I think the basic iPad is different enough now, unlike the iPad Air 2, perhaps,
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that giving it pencil support is not necessarily confusing whether it's an iPad Pro or not.
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I think a more interesting question, and maybe we'll pick it later, is would the smart connector
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come down? Because a lot of the education applications, a lot of the education, you
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know, cases and stuff like that and they have keyboards that they use, would they consider
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a smart connector to sell smart keyboards into education or not? I don't know how education
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feels about the ruggedness of it. I'm inclined to think it is too far, but I just throw it
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out there because one of the things about the iPad in education is that they all want
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keyboards. They don't use them all the time. Like my son's school, he doesn't have a keyboard
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here, but they have keyboards that they use in certain circumstances with their iPads
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at school. And it got me thinking, like, keyboards are still a thing for text input at school,
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and I could see the argument for smart connector. Then again, I can also see the argument for
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nobody doing the smart connector anymore, other than for the smart keyboard.
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- Because really, Bluetooth will get you what you need, right? But when it comes to the
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Apple Pencil, there isn't anything nearly as good as that.
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- Right? So I think they might stick to Bluetooth for now.
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why I picked the Apple Pencil. So my second pick is an iBooks update. I think that it
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will become books, right? This isn't necessarily in the pick, so my pick is iBooks update.
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I think that it makes perfect sense. I mean, honestly, I see them trying to go the textbook
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route again, right, which kind of didn't work the first time. You mean a few years ago when
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they totally revolutionized textbooks and textbooks have never been the same except
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that they didn't and they are. But yeah, I will give you credit for anything that they
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mention on stage that is something new in iBooks, right? As long as iBooks gets a change
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of some kind.
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- I mean, 'cause we saw this a bunch, right? Like in some of the 11.3 betas, the name changed
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to books. It's back to iBooks again now, but the name changed to books for a while. So
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they're probably just gonna call this Apple Books.
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- Now, if all they do is mention iBooks and don't actually change anything about it, does
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your pick count?
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- Something has to change.
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- Is that an update?
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to change. When I mean update, I don't just mean "Hey, here's how iBooks is doing."
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Something's going to change in iBooks. Or iBooks gets some time so they show off some
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new features, that kind of thing. Which could be from the store side, it could be from the
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app functionality side, but I believe that there will be something on stage. Because
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really, this is, you know, textbooks and books on iPads should be a really really big deal,
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I think that iBooks author in its first life didn't do that. I think the focus on trying
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to make them all interactive was probably a bad move. Honestly, I would expect to see
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them kind of just be like, "Here's just books." It's like books, but on the iPad. I would
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be surprised if they continue to push down the interactive route because I don't think
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that that works ultimately.
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Alright, do you want to go for pick number three?
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Yeah, pick number three, again, this is one of those that I think I just have to pick because it's an education event,
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which is there's some beta stuff in the iOS 11.3 beta that is called ClassKit,
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which basically is new tools for third-party developers to build in classroom features into their apps.
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And I've got to think, since that's in the beta, that they're going to spend time talking about how now,
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and perhaps even demoing some samples of now you can have apps that do all these amazing
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things with so this is a little different than the Apple classroom this is this is third-party
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developer tools to make education apps that tie in to all of all of the stuff that teachers
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need so I just want to throw that there like a couple of features they have like an exam
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mode so an application can't be quit during a specific period of time this is one of the
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things that's been found and also some evaluation features. So like a teacher can mark, I would
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assume from third party apps. And this is all third party stuff, right? So if you made
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a test exam application, you know, it could go into an exam mode so kids couldn't go and
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surf the web and cheat, right, for example. So that's what this stuff looks like. I am
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looking at my pics here and I am going to rearrange. Okay, so you know I mentioned,
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You know when you said--
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- You stole my iBooks update by the way.
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I was, I had that on my list.
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- I know you had it.
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- I had it right there, but you got it.
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- So you mentioned something
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about Apple Classroom features, right?
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Focusing on classroom.
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I expect there to be a focus of some description on family
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and that Apple to reference and kind of make a point
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about kids and device time and stuff like that,
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because this has been a bit of a hot button issue recently.
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Apple created a page on their website
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about kind of how to live a healthy digital family life.
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I expect that if this is an event
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which is focused on kids, right?
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This is what this is for, this is for kids in school.
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I expect them to talk something about like,
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being considerate, being conscientious
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of how much time our kids use on devices, that kind of stuff.
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I would be very surprised to see this event go by
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without them touching on that.
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- I think that's a good call.
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- 'Cause it's like, oh, look at these new devices.
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Your kids are now gonna spend time with iPads
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all day in school and then at home.
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So I expect there to be like some focus
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on a little bit moderation or whatever,
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however they end up phrasing it.
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But I expect that.
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Like they have a top level, you know,
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it's apple.com/families that launched I think last week.
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So this is Apple trying to showcase what they already have,
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and it's already rumored quite heavily
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that it's gonna be more parental control stuff in iOS 12.
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So I expect this to become part of the discussion point
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for the rest of this year,
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as Apple tries to just make sure that they're considered
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as being conscientious with how much time
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people spend on their devices.
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- Yeah, it's not quite education,
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but education is a lot about younger people,
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And it's so I can see how they might sort of segue into it and say, "All right, also,
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here's an issue not just for schools, but for parents in general," right?
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And then talk about it because you're right, it is a hot button topic.
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- I feel like it would be a little bit tone deaf if they didn't at least mention it, right?
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I think it would be a very, it would be a bad omission, I think, that they would probably
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get a bit of flak for.
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- It's a good, even if there's nothing new just to talk about like what they do and what
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philosophy is and maybe make a commitment to doing some new stuff but
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also just sort of defending their existing stuff since it's become
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somewhat controversial.
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yep all right pick number four.
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all right for my fourth pick I'm going to pick something that's kind of weird
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but I'm gonna I'm gonna put it so it's like a well let me explain what it is
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I'm going to predict that a new Apple iOS app debuts. What is it? I have no idea.
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idea. I just have this feeling like maybe as a part of this event there will be some
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app that we've never heard of that Apple says, "Oh, and there's this new app that we wrote
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that does this thing that's great for education or kids or whatever." Not a new version of
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an existing Apple app, but something new. And this is a shot in the dark, but at the
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same time, like I said, I just kind of get this feeling like this might be an appropriate
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time for Apple to unveil something like, you know, remember when they unveiled clips? Like
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something like that where like, "Oh, we have a clever idea and this is going to be great
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in schools and it does this and here it is." So I just want to cover that part of the event.
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Like if there is a new Apple iOS app that is debuted, I want to have it. I want to get
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credit for that. So that's what I'm choosing. Something probably educational related, maybe
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tangential, but they do this from time to time. Like Clips is the best example, which
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is like, "And now we have this app called Clips. Like, whoa, where did that come from?"
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So that's, I will also say that if they decide that they're going to do like Final Cut for
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iOS, that counts.
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Oh, of course.
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Because that's not currently there.
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But a new version of iMovie doesn't.
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Any Apple made app that doesn't currently exist on iOS.
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It has to be a brand new title.
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That's what I want.
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I'm going to go with a rumor mill.
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I'm going to say that the MacBook Air will get a price cut.
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That's next on my list.
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the MacBook Air is going to have its price cut. If that is going to happen, it will happen
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next week. The MacBook Air is the student's computer. If you're looking at Mac, that's
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the one. It's the cheapest, it's rugged, it's got all the ports that it needs. I'm actually
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starting to believe that this won't happen, and we might get to that in a little bit,
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but if it's going to happen, it will happen next Tuesday. That's my feeling on this.
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Yeah, it's a fresh rumor, right? But that doesn't necessarily mean that it's not
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going to happen.
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Because this is a rumor that doesn't need supply chain stuff, right? It can have been
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a very frequent rumor, and the reason it may have come out is because they're getting
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ready to do it next week, right? So, you know, the sooner things get, the more likely they
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are to leak out because more and more people start to learn about them. I think that if
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going to do it, this would make the perfect time. This would make perfect sense to do
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it right now. I can't see why you would do this later on in the year, right? Like, if
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Apple were going to do it with an announcement of some description, it doesn't make any sense
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for WWDC. It's the wrong audience, and it would be a waste of time in September. So,
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I think if they're going to do it, and they're going to do it on stage or with a press release,
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I would expect that it happens as part of this event.
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- Yeah, I really wanna pick something
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that is related to a laptop and to the Mac.
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But I'm having a hard time doing it for similar reasons,
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which is I'm not entirely convinced that the time is right.
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You're right, a price cut is a good way to slice it
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because they can do that anytime.
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What I wanna do is pick something about the MacBook Air's
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like getting rumored actual update
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or a new MacBook model
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or a re-pricing of the MacBook escape or something like that.
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The problem is that I believe all that stuff happened in June last year
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and I'm not entirely convinced that Apple would go back nine months later
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and make changes. I might be doing a disservice to myself
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with points here but just because they announce it
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doesn't mean it has to come out yet. Well that's true but generally if
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if you're gonna replace something, you would do it.
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You wouldn't replace the MacBook with a new model
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and not have it shipped for three months
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'cause nobody's gonna buy the MacBook in the meantime.
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- Well, I bet it could ship in a month, right?
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And then it's like 11 months from when it was revved.
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- Hmm, I don't know, I don't know.
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It's tough, I'm gonna keep thinking about it
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and instead I'm gonna pick something else.
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- I don't know, you might not wanna think about it
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for too long, Jason, I'm just gonna say that.
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You might not want to think about that for too long.
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You might lose it, but go on, pick number five.
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Now you've made it really, now you're in my head.
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You got me. - I'm needling you.
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I'm needling you now. - You got me.
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- All's fair in love and drafts.
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- That's true.
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It's very true.
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I am going to pick,
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I'm gonna go down a few items
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from what I thought would be my list.
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I would say real quick on that I have done more rearranging of my draft list than any
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changes to the MacBook. Okay, this is what I was talking about by the way. I don't know
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if that came across but what I was referencing is I think it's this. I think that this is
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that this is what I was talking about with like you can announce it now and it can come
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out later you maybe thought I was talking about something else but I was talking about
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this. Yeah so I what I want to believe I think is that they'll do make changes to the 12-inch
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to get it down to 1099 or something like that.
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But they, you know, an update to the MacBook would be great.
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It doesn't necessarily have to be what I would like,
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which is that they have, I know it's hard to believe,
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two ports instead of one.
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This might be a June thing, this might be a fall thing,
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but why not now with some laptop news?
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So I'll toss that one out there, new MacBook.
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Did you see that there was a rumor about this last week, um, that there was going
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in June, but I think that that could have been missed, you know, I think personally,
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I think that if that product does exist, if they are going to make a new MacBook,
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which is 13 inches, that it will come out MacBook air.
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So, but what I'm thinking is like, if they do that, It could be that next week.
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and they get rid of the MacBook and the Air
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and they have one product.
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Because apparently the rumor is saying
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that it will be cheaper than the current MacBook
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and probably be around 999.
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And I think if they do that, if they make a 13 inch laptop,
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which looks like the current Retina MacBook,
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and it's 999, I think that that's the only option
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going forward.
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So I'm really intrigued to see what they do there.
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That was gonna be my next pick.
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That's what I was thinking about.
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I now know what you're thinking about
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I wasn't thinking about that so we'll see if you get there.
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Interesting but hey if a new MacBook if they come out with something entirely new called
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MacBook I'll take that but I was thinking update to the 12-inch MacBook to get it down
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closer in range to the MacBook Air.
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Both of those things make perfect sense right and and I think that they're both possible
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that they'll do something to bring that down or they'll just come in and replace them both
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at the same time.
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Oh so this is put so we're into my pick five this has put me into a bit of a sticky situation
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now looking at my list that's left and I am again gonna pick something that wasn't
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I expect that we'll see 11.3 especially 11.3 feels like it's around the corner, it's
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things for too long. So I would expect to see 11.3 coming out and maybe one of the reasons
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that they've held 11.3 is it might give away too much about some of the stuff that they've
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got coming next week. So there you go. Right, that's five picks we're up to now. We have
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So we're on to pick number six, Jason.
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Oh boy. It's getting harder, Myke. It's getting harder.
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- It's getting a lot harder, isn't it?
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I'm going to say, it's fun to talk about Mac laptops.
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I placed them lower down on our lists here
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because my feeling is that iOS and the iPad
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is gonna come first.
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And so I'm gonna go back there for a quick one,
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which is you mentioned a new basic iPad.
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I'm going to go out on the limb a little further and say,
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it's going to have a lower price
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than the current basic iPad has.
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- Yep, okay.
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- Just cut, push it down, push it down 20 bucks, 30 bucks,
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whatever it is, I think Apple is feeling serious pressure
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to get that thing as competitive as possible,
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especially with Chromebooks.
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And so push it down further.
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Again, I'm just crossing my fingers here.
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- Let's make sure we clear this one up
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so you can get your points.
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Are we talking about there being an iPad with a lower price
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or the new iPad, if there is one,
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will debut with a lower price?
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- Oh, that's true.
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How about this?
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I'll phrase it this way.
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I think the base price to buy into the iPad product line
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with an iPad that is currently shipping will drop from $329.
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- Yeah, the iPad will have a lower base price.
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Let's go with that.
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That's a good way of saying it.
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- They could take the sixth, what, fifth generation model,
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right and keep it around and lower the price or they could introduce a sixth generation
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model at a lower price I would like both of those options I want them to drop that $329
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is the thing get that down to $299 or something like that yeah but if it was $328 it would
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count. $299 for an iPad would be that would be excellent right that would really start
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to help them an awful lot more. Alright I'm okay so if we're thinking that this is going
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to be pretty iOS focused, which I think we both do. And it's in schools. If you think
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about some of the applications that Apple would be trying to promote, I'm going to go
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out and say that there's going to be some iWork updates as part of this.
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You know, iWork is their word processor, you know, it is, you know, they have Keynote,
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right, they have numbers, something's going to happen, there's going to be some new features,
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hopefully better collaboration tools. What did I say? Pages?
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pages? No, no, you just listed two of them. So I mentioned the third one because there's the
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panoply of iWork apps, the numbers, the pages, the keynote. Yeah, it's possible. Although,
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I mean, they've got some of the collaboration stuff now. So are you, I mean, the challenge
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is going to be, is it new? Are there new features or are they just going to extol the virtues of
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iWork? I think new features, new features. You say new features. Yeah, new features to iWork.
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I mean, honestly, that could be as simple as adding ClassKit to iWork, right? There could
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could be some stuff there where they're like, oh, and this is this class kit thing, and
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we've added it to pages, so et cetera, et cetera. So your people can turn in their essays,
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however it's going to be, but I think iWork will get some attention and it will get something
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new that it didn't have previously. Just because if I'm thinking about any software that Apple
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makes, probably iWork would make the most sense to get some time because it generates
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stuff that would be used in schools I guess. So I went to pick number seven.
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Oh, it's so hard.
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I'm gonna take a flyer on something that is one of these things that's probably
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going to be announced in a press release but I think they might mention it on
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And that's AirPower. Ah, darn it. Okay.
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AirPower, which is supposed to come out this year,
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hopefully soon. What's the education story there? I'm not sure there is one, but it is
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a mat that you can put like your phone and your Apple Watch and, you know, another phone
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or whatever on there.
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This is nothing to do with education, but...
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Nothing at all, but if all they have to do is mention it.
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Yeah. I mean, what I'm saying is...
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We've got a bunch of other great updates today.
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This is just a pending thing which should happen, probably should have happened already.
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If they've got people's attention...
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And if they mention it on stage, I get a point. Yeah.
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I mean, this is good. I mean, okay, so my next one is new AirPods because if they do air power
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They've got to have the new AirPods case to go along with it
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So I expect that AirPods will get an update too purely because like these two things should exist in the market now
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They they will I reckon they will be available next Tuesday whether they talk about them or not
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But it's time to put them out there and I guess this would be the right time to do that
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Yeah, I think so
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And so we're both taking a chance that they will mention that they're also releasing some other stuff
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even though it's not part of their education story. And a lot of times they do that. Not always,
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but a lot of times they do that. Just in passing. Since I've got your attention,
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we did a bunch of other updates today. And other times they just don't mention it and they are
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released entirely separately. So that's good. We're both, it's probably likely that they either do
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both or none for pick seven. So that's good. All right. So we have our eighth and final pick.
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And that's okay. What we've got left, we're going to get to it in a minute, but there
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is a, basically what we're left with is a bunch of things that could happen. Like there
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is, there is maybe a case for each of them, but none of them are really that likely.
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Yeah. And there's a strong case against each of them, I would say too.
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But this is stuff that like people want or is there, there is a general conceived notion
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that should exist, right? And that this could be a time for that. Like what we don't have
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in this list is iPhone 11, right? But it's stuff that you would maybe expect Apple to
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do now and is maybe on the B side of their products.
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Sure. Okay, so here's mine, which is, I think this is going to happen this fall as a part
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of the new generation of iPad Pro models or maybe this summer if they don't wait till
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all, but given the announcement and given some of other, you know, the invitation and
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given some of our other picks, I hold out a small chance that a new version of the Apple
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Pencil will debut next Tuesday instead of waiting to debut with the iPad Pro. I feel
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like the most logical place to debut a new version of the Apple Pencil is not now, but
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with the iPad Pro, but there are a few things. First off, it might be required for a new
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iPad that supports the Pencil, although I've been thinking of it more as fancy, snazzy
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new features for the iPad Pro. It's also possible that it is a new Pencil that's required in
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order to work with the existing models. But since the Pencil, there's handwriting in the
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invite, we're talking about iPads, it's not beyond the realm of possibility that there
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might be a new pencil model, even though you would think they would save that for the iPad
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Pro, there may be a reason for them to just get out ahead and release it now.
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So I'll throw one in there.
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You know what?
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I bet it's an Apple Pencil with Qi charging.
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Could be, and then it would go with the AirPower and then I'd get a 2fer there.
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That would be the exact, that would be great.
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Does Qi charging go both ways?
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Like, I don't know how it works, but like...
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'cause I was wondering like, could you have an Apple pencil that charges because it's
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touching an iPad? That would be frickin' amazing. But you know, that would be really great.
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Maybe sometime in the future.
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Oh, that's, yeah. Maybe.
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Alright so, oh god I've really got slim pickings here.
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Okay, I'm, I'm, I'm gonna go safe and I'm gonna try and just make sure I've got some
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some stuff across the board here. We have a pick which is MacBook Air receives an actual
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update. I'm gonna go with that one. So this is the MacBook Air as it currently exists.
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This is that rumor that they're doing something to it to make it different and keeping it around.
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That like not just a price change but that something will happen to it. So this can be
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basically if the MacBook Air has some kind of different specification, some different tech spec
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than before, then I get my point. It's not a good pick, but I feel like I'm just trying to play it
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it safe. Yeah well and you'll get you'll get re-pricing you'll get a point for
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re-pricing if they just re-price the existing one if they if they change the
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specs you get a point too so that's the idea there is that basically there needs
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to be a MacBook Air that we refer to as the MacBook Air early 2018. Yep. It
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needs to change like that and it could I had that pretty high up and then I just
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kept thinking about it and thinking about it and I decided that it was more likely that
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your price cut pick would happen than this but I think it's good. Look, we just picked
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16 things that might happen in an event that was just announced that there's not a lot
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rumored about and that is probably not going to be a major event with huge announcements
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in it. So I think we did a pretty good job of ginning up 16 items that might come true.
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I have six more. Okay, let's go through the stuff that was on our big list that we didn't
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go through. "iBooks author update." This is probably something that will happen, but I
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don't think would get a stage time.
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I mean, they might mention it in passing. My guess, my guess, and the reason that I
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liked this one is that I get this feeling, and I didn't know how to pick it, but like,
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if they're doing an education event, and they are going to be very tempted to talk about
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reinventing education again, one of the things that I feel like they could do is talk about,
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like how to make it easier for teachers or college professors to send items to the students
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to read or things like that. And they might have almost like an Instapapery kind of thing
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where it's like, "Oh, well now in the new iBooks Author tool, you can bring in an article
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and then send it right back out," or something like that. It's possible, but it's also possible
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that they will release an update to iBooks Author and not mention it on stage. I think
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also possible that they'll just say, "Forget it." Forget about iBooks author. I don't know.
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But yeah, it's certainly relevant in a way that these other items that we have on our
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list are not. I wanted to mention the iPhone SE update. Like, it's time for that one, too.
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And that really has no relevance to education. There's no education story there at all. But
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that's a product that's hanging out there that we keep thinking they're going to do
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an update to and it's time, it is exactly the right time to do an iPhone SE update.
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So they could, it could happen.
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We have a new iPad Pro. I believe this is coming this year but I think June would be
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the earliest for this. And I understand why people think this is coming because it's
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a pencil, right? Because if Apple decides not to put the Apple pencil on the lowest
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end iPad, then in theory there would be an iPad Pro update. If we're going to believe
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that this invitation is trying to show us something, it seems pretty clear that this
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is Apple Pencil related, so maybe it's a new iPad Pro because that's the only place they're
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going to put the pencil. It's a possibility, but I think it's too soon. And I just don't
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think that the iPad Pro is for this market. I don't think it's an education tool. I think
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it is a professional tool. Clue in the name. Then we have two revisions to two products
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which are very old, the Mac Mini and the iPad Mini are two things that are on our list.
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Both possible, both could fit in this event, but I think that neither of them are going
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to get anything, maybe ever.
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We lack faith there. I would say the Mac Mini is more likely to happen only because it really
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needs an update and they could plausibly make a case about, "Oh, well, you know, a lot of
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schools like to have the Mac Mini because it's low cost and they can put it in blah
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blah blah blah blah. I think they could do that one and I hope they do. iPad Mini, I'm
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just a little less convinced that it has a future, but it's entirely possible that they
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could do something with that. So these are two that we might end up kicking ourselves
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but probably not.
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And then the last one is something that I believe will definitely happen but won't get
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any stage time, which is new Apple Watch bands. Anytime they update the store with a bunch
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of products, they put new Apple Watch bands, because it's a new season.
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So I would expect them to see that. I just don't think there's any, there's just
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no Apple Watch story for education, which is why they probably won't have a segment
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where they talk about Apple Watch, in order to mention that there are also lovely new
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Watch fans now on sale for spring. But they will undoubtedly, I would say, be available
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for spring after this event, because that is what Apple does, because Apple's smart
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and they sell a lot of watch bands.
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- So that's the draft.
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We've got our eight picks.
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They will be in the show notes.
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You will be able to find a scorecard,
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so you'll be able to score along with us
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as the event is happening next week.
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And this should have been obvious by now,
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but Upgrade will be out on Tuesday next week.
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We won't be on Monday.
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We'll be recording on Tuesday the 27th
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and releasing on Tuesday the 27th.
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- Yeah, it'll be later in the day
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because of course the event's in the morning,
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and then I will make my way to the Chicago Podcast Co-op
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where the very nice people there and Cards Against Humanity and all that will, they have reserved a
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space for me to talk to you, Myke, and that's, that lets me travel a little bit lighter and sound
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like I'm a professional and not in a, like, wandering down the streets of Chicago,
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which would be a very different sounding podcast. And something to note, because I didn't realize
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this until Jason mentioned it, just so everyone can synchronize their watches, whilst this event
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is at 10 a.m. as usual, it is central time.
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Because I'm used to events being at 10 a.m. Pacific,
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but it's not going to be because that's not where the event is.
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So just in case, you know, make sure you put it in your calendars right,
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because I would have been waiting there 10 a.m. Pacific,
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and that would not have been a good idea.
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So 10 a.m. Central is when that event is going to happen.
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Right, so two hours earlier than an Apple event usually happens.
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Of course, we just hit Daylight Savings Time here,
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so that's extra complication for people who are in places that did not, that do not change
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the clock at that point.
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It changes next Sunday so everyone will be saving the daylight.
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All together.
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That's how you get the most daylight, you save it all together.
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That's good.
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So Apple had like a super busy week because they also announced that WWDC is happening.
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Yeah, it kind of came out of the blue again
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But I think everyone's in agreement that we're really really happy to have been told about this in March rather than in April or May
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It's gonna be back in San Jose, which I think pretty much everyone is excited about because it was great last year
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From June the 4th to the 8th at the expected. Yeah. Yep
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We actually had that question a couple weeks ago about when
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Wwc was gonna happen and we said probably that first week of June because that's what we'd heard
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Like people analyzed things and it turns out yeah, that's it in San Jose
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It's exactly when we wanted but it's nice to get that locked down because people are reluctant to buy flights and reserve hotels
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especially if you can get a deal if you have no cancellation and then if they moved it and all of those things but it
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Is it is when we when we thought and as a parent I have to say
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It's not my kids last week of school that week, which is the first time in many years that I have not had
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all the end of year school activities happening simultaneously with WWDC.
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So, as usual, I'll be flying in, I'm gonna be spending the entire week,
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and I'm wondering what you were planning to do, I know like last year you came in San Jose for a few days,
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because previously you could just drive in to downtown San Francisco every day, but you can't do that anymore.
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Same as last year, I got a hotel room,
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the it's the it's the motel next door next door to the motel I stayed in last year.
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That one sold out. I think word spread that that place was relatively cheap and had been
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completely redone inside so it looked kind of sketchy from the outside but inside it was really
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nice and so it was all it was all gone but the the place next door was there and I'll basically
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it's there for me to sleep for three nights I think and then and then I leave open whether
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I'll be there on Thursday or Friday because I would just drive down for those and I did I think I drove down on Thursday
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Last year and was there again and then and then drove home again because it's it's drivable. It's just a very very long drive and
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We're very excited to announce
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Relay FM have teamed up with AltConf and ATP to create the first ever
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WWDC podcast festival. So what we're doing is over two days. So on Monday
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The fourth and Wednesday the sixth they were gonna be live podcast
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So on Monday the fourth is gonna be ATP live or conf and all comp our next door to the Convention Center
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They're in I think it's the Marriott Hotel like next door and then on Wednesday
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There's gonna be relay FM live which is gonna be a lot of really cool things
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They're gonna be I don't want to I want to say too much
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But I will be there you will be there Jason and a bunch of other relay FM hosts are gonna be on stage
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We have some fun stuff currently in the works for that which I'm really excited about
00:58:35
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So if you're going to be in San Jose
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You can go to all conf calm and you can get tickets for those shows
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They're five dollars each for each night and all of that money goes towards supporting the work that all can't do all conf is amazing
00:58:50
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They put on a bunch of free activities and workshops and stuff like that
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For people that are in town who maybe couldn't get themselves a ticket or just want to experience something a little bit different
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So we're going to be doing those live shows.
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If you are going to be in town, trust me, you want to go to these two shows.
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They are great ways to spend your time in San Jose.
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And if you're thinking like, oh, I don't want to get a WBC ticket, but I want to be around.
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These are the types of things that are so much fun to do.
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There's great stuff. There's lots of great conferences.
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It's like kind of like sub conferences that happen around WBC now.
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And there's so much great stuff to keep yourself occupied with that it is worth making the trip.
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I am not even going to attempt to get a pass as I have never needed to never wanted to because
00:59:33
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there was just more and more awesome stuff happening and I'll tell you like last year
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San Jose was so much fun it really kind of felt like more of an event town and it's going to be
00:59:43
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great this year and we're doing some live shows so go to altconf.com and you can get tickets for
00:59:48
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Real AFM live on the 6th on Wednesday the 6th of June. Really excited about that.
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Shall we do some Upstream, talk about some stuff that's going on in streaming media right now?
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Yeah, yeah, really quickly, we'll blow through some streaming news, there's always more.
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There's always more. Upstream mainstay Reese Witherspoon, she has a new show with a Hello
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Sunshine production company, it's been sold to Hulu. This one stars Witherspoon again,
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alongside Kerry Washington, who's best known for starring Rowan Scandal. This is an adaptation of
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of a book called Little Fires Everywhere by Celeste Ng.
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This is going to be going to Hulu.
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I expect it was probably shopped around
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to a bunch of people, but I just find it really,
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it's really cool to see what Reese Witherspoon's doing.
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You know, I looked into Hello Sunshine a little bit
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and basically it was created because she wanted to be able
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to help more women get starring roles
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in shows and in productions.
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And it seems like she's doing a pretty stand up job so far.
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It's like the third or fourth show that we've spoken about
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she sold recently. Apple has ordered an animated comedy show from the creator of Bob's Burgers
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called Central Park and it is a musical comedy. Lauren Bouchard, the creator of Bob's Burgers,
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has teamed up with Nora Smith and Josh Gad on this project. It's described as telling
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the story of a family of caretakers who live and work in Central Park, but the twist of
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show is that they somehow end up saving the world. I'm very intrigued to see how that
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comes together. It's going to be produced by 20th Century Fox Television, which is really
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weird. So they're producing it and Apple has bought it. And this is because Bouchard has
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a deal with 20th Century Fox.
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Yeah, he has a deal with 20th Century Fox, right, which will be owned by Disney at some
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point. But they're still a studio and they still sell to other providers. And that's
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where that's where Lauren Burchard's deal is. Interesting voice cast too, right? So
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Josh Gad, you mentioned Leslie Odom Jr. from Hamilton, Titus Burgess from Unbreakable Kimmy
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Schmidt, Kristen Bell from The Good Place, Daveed Diggs also from Hamilton. So it's
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quite a thing. And I don't know, have you seen Bob's Burgers? Do you watch Bob's Burgers?
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So Bob's Burgers is a show I've seen a couple of episodes of and really liked, but it's
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not easy to get here.
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really good. It was it was mis-marketed in the US because it airs on Sunday night
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in the animation block on Fox and as a result I would say and my apologies to
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those who enjoy Family Guy I don't really enjoy Family Guy I think the
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mistake was that it was marketed to Family Guy viewers so the original
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marketing for Bob's Burgers was I'd say not in keeping with what the show's
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actually like. It's brilliant. It is a brilliant and brilliantly funny show. So if people haven't
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tried it, you should give it a shot. And I think Lauren Burchard, before he did Bob's
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Burgers, didn't he do home movies? So he's a very talented person. And it's interesting
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that Apple, this is Apple's, I think it's smart for Apple to do this, for Apple to get
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into some animation stuff too. It's like, again, what we said before, like try to diversify
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the content of an Apple service. It can't all be sci-fi series, right? You need to keep
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on diversifying and have it appeal to a wide range and a new show from the guy who does
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Bob's Burgers with an all-star cast. Great, great, great idea.
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It looks like it's, I can buy Bob's Burgers on Amazon now. It's previously has been really
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hard to find. So I'm going to put that on my list for the future. Maybe I'll pick it
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up. It's not on Netflix or anything here. It's typically been pretty hard to come by.
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I expect it's like Sky bought it and Sky can be pretty tough with that sort of stuff.
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And this was one that I missed.
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This happens.
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I don't know how this happens.
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I try and follow this stuff as close as I can now.
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But every now and then something from Apple sneaks under the radar.
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This is an immigrant anthology series called Little America, which is an order by Apple.
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It is a half hour episode anthology series by the Oscar nominated writers of The Big
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Sick, Kumail Nanijani and Emily V. Gordon.
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It also comes from Lee Eisenberg of a show called "Smilf," which I am not familiar with,
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and Alan Yang, co-creator of "Master of None."
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So this is a show, it's based on true stories, as described as "a small collective portrait
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of America's immigrants, and thereby a portrait of America itself."
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It's a straight-to-series order that they've picked up.
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Oh, and by the way, the Central Park show, the animated show, 26-episode order split
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into two 13-episode seasons.
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So yeah, there's more kind of like documentary style drama as well.
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Um, coming from again, excellent creators, like a really great kind of cast of people.
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Uh, this one sounds like Apple, um, said half hour anthology series.
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Not sure if anybody's going to watch it, but you know what?
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It sounds like it will be high prestige and working with really talented creators
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and that, and, and probably my guess is they were like, yeah, it's worth being
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in business with these people, even if sometimes you look at a project and you think, "That
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sounds like it could be really great. I'm not sure who's going to watch it, but it sounds
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like it could be great." Again, Apple's still writing checks. Sounds good. These people
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David: They want the next big sip. They want the next master of none. Working with these
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people now on something that they are probably very passionate about, even if it won't get
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a lot of traction because it's maybe not going to be high profile and flashy enough, it is
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still something that's going to get those people into the vault for maybe their next
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I think anthology series, it's not really even the subject matter, I think anthology
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series are a hard sell because people really like having...
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Characters you can latch onto and grow with.
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Black Mirror has broken through but it's hard to do and Black Mirror's got a sci-fi premise
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and it's got controversy and all of that, but it's still, I think, people don't understand
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Black Mirror either.
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Black Mirror is like clickbait, right?
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That's fair.
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You know, and I'm not saying this, I'm not trying to cast aspersions on the show's quality,
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but like, it is popular because it's like, "Oh, what are they gonna, what are they gonna
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make me feel bad about now?" Right? Like, it's kind of got that feeling to it of like,
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people want to just go and see it to see what's happening. So yeah, and also it's like it's
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complete fictiony type stuff right where this one is going to be based upon true stories so
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it's a little it's it is different but i think black mirror is more of a
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it is like the exception to the rule i think for these types of shows yeah i think i think so i
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think people are not really programmed to do uh anthology series but but that is two anthology
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series at apple right because they're doing the spillbug one that's true yeah amazing stories
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which is more of a black mirror except not because...
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That would be higher profile, right?
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Just because Spielberg's attached.
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So our first upgrade question this week comes from Chris. Chris wants to know
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what are our favorite Apple Watch bands and what types of Apple Watch bands would we like to see
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in the future? Jason, what is your favorite? What do you wear every day?
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Uh, I, much to my shock, if you had told me before the Apple Watch shipped,
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where I was really concerned about the fluoro elastomer sport band,
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I wear a sport band almost the entire time. And lately I've been wearing the Nike sport
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band with all the holes.
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Okay. Yeah, they're cool looking.
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And it's the kind of like light gray with the black, I guess, or dark gray rings. I
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like that one. I have a black one that I wear a lot. I have an orange one that I also wear
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a lot. I kind of retire that during the winter.
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Is that just a regular orange one? There isn't a Nike orange one, right?
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Yeah, it's just a regular one. And I bring that out sort of during the warmer weather
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and when it's baseball season. My favorite baseball team's colors are orange and black,
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so having orange stuff, then it's like, I don't know, it feels, it's fun to do that.
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And watch bands are all about the fun. I have a leather band. I have a black, I have the
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original black leather band, which is not as good as the black leather band that came
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and I put it on sometimes when I'm maybe trying to trying to dress it up a little
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bit but the surprise to me is that I always wore a leather band on my watches
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before and I find that I end up gravitating toward the that sport band
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because I really like how it feels so it's weird and unexpected but there it
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is. Do you have any dreams for watch bands? Is there anything that like you
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specifically want that they don't have? I don't know. I think it's possible that I would
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see something and it would speak to me. You know, the funny thing, and I don't think Apple's
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gonna do this, is what they really ought to do. I mentioned my baseball team earlier.
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I feel like Apple needs to start actually coming up with, and again, they wouldn't be
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branded in the sense of like a visible logo but like if you're in you know if you're in
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Chicago can you get the Cubs colors or the the you know if you're in San Francisco can
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you get the Giants colors or the A's colors like that I'm intrigued by that idea of like
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can we find color combinations if you're in you know a big college football place can
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you get the local team's colors? Could they do some color combinations that were inspired
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by sport or something like that? I think that's probably impractical because there are so
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many and yet I keep thinking that would be a winner if people could basically wear the
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colors, fly the colors with their watch bands. So that may be a future. Maybe that's something
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that they do a limited supply of that's only online ordering or something like that. I
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I don't know, but that's the only thing I can think of.
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I wanna say like a nice new leather band
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or something like that, but the fact is
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I don't use the leather band that I've got.
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- I'm gonna go one step further on your colors thing.
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I would like to see Apple try and do something
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like Nike ID one day.
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Do you know what Nike ID is?
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- Oh, is that the bill to order?
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- Yeah, the full customization thing.
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You have a bunch of options and you can change
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all the colors and change different materials
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to match your own thing and you pay more for it
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I would love that because it's difficult, especially with a watch band because it's small,
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but you would probably pay two to three times the price, but you could get exactly what you wanted.
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So if you wanted your sports team's colors in a sport loop, you could get that. I would love that.
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That would be really great. So then I could get the exact band that I want in the exact colors
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that I want. You know how I love customization stuff and that's kind of like the ultimate.
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My current favorite watch band is the Black Sport Loop, which is a terrible name for what this
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product is because whilst it is predominantly black it has little flecks of rainbow colours
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all throughout it which I love and I love the Sportloops because they're really comfortable
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they are infinitely adjustable right because they use that velcro not velcro I wear these
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when I swim and I wear these when I'm just every day like the black Sportloop is my favourite
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Apple Watch band. I liked the regular sports. Then I really liked the nylon and this is
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the best mix of all of the stuff that Apple's made. I always had my eye on the Milanese
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but never went for it and this gives me what I want from that. When I'm swimming I can
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tighten it to the way that I want and then I can very easily adjust it. I really really
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love the sport loops. If you've never tried one, go to a store and try one. Go look at
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them like that they are surprisingly nice I really really like it so the
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black one is my favorite one because it has these little colors in it which is a
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nice surprise. Bozy writes in do you know of any smart speakers that have a digital
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out either optical or coaxial suitable for connecting connection to a high-end
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DAC or ample speakers so Bozy said like the Echo Dot has an aux out but the
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internal DAC is low quality I have no idea about this I assume probably Sonos
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right? Would be what you'd want? I think Sonos has a product that is designed to
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what's the name of it but yeah Sonos has a product that is designed to go to an
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amp and has coax out and optical out and all of those things it's not going to
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take your voice control unless you're using an echo with a Sonos integration
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and the right music service.
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But if you're doing that, you could tell the Sonos Connect,
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it's called.
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- Yeah, they have one called the Connect
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and the Connect Amp.
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- Connect Amp is its own amp.
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- And the Connect you attach to an existing amp.
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So if you've got powered speakers.
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- This looks like the original Sonos, the Connect.
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- Yeah, so the Connect has optical out, coax out,
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analog out, and you attach it to an amp.
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Or if you have speakers that require an amp to be powered,
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you can get the Connect Amp and it'll do the powering for you.
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And then what you would do is you would pair that with an Echo
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that has the Sonos thing, and then you would tell it to play
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and you have to, and it's limited to, I think like Spotify
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and the Amazon Music Service that you would have to have
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on the Sonos.
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It doesn't do, even though the Sonos does Apple Music,
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you can't voice control Apple Music from an Echo,
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but you could do that.
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And at that point you were using voice control on like a little echo dot to get music to play through your
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Through your speakers through your amp via optical or coax out from the Sonos, but that's I think that's what you have to do
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Right. Yeah, you have to use daisy chain in a bit
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But like that is a pretty cool solution you get the best of everything, right?
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You get the best sound quality that you want because it's clearly important to this person
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Right like to have great sound and I'm assuming they already have great
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equipment and you also get like for $35 or whatever it is you get voice control too.
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The Echo Dot is an easy purchase when you're going into this stuff anyway right? Like it's
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so cheap. I wonder if they're how cheap they're gonna get that and I still don't know why
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they don't just give those to Prime customers. Like I'm surprised they haven't done that
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Other than controlling the demand a little bit because I thought that they would start
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giving kindles to Prime customers too if they asked and instead they make a cheap Kindle
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but it's an opportunity for more revenue and it limits how many of them they make and sell
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because they probably sell a lot of them for free to people who wouldn't use them and that
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doesn't benefit them so they probably tested it because it's Amazon.
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Chris has written in, "I have a 1TB hard drive in my iMac. Would I get better performance
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by booting from a USB solid state drive or would it be worth the money to get a Thunderbolt
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solid-state drive to boot from. The computer is mostly used for stuff like Final Cut and
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Plex and gaming. And so I guess I have a question that goes on top of this, Jason. Is this even
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a good idea to boot from an external SSD?
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I wouldn't boot from an external drive purposefully only because you're... I don't know, somebody
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out there will probably tell me I don't have... You know, I didn't see this question before
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we started so I didn't do any research on this but I as personally I don't do that because
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I find that booting from external drives tends to be sluggish because you tend to get better
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performance out of your internal drives than you do going through a bus to the external
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drive. That said there are probably extreme examples where you've got a really slow spinning
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hard drive and a really fast external bit of storage and it might be able to eclipse
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it but I mmm... I get nervous about it like I don't understand enough about it but it
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feels like you could be introducing some interesting errors here and there. Also you're increasing
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your boot or you might even arguably speed up your boot time but then you're using the
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computer and like Final Cut and Plex server and gaming is constrained by probably your
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GPU more than anything else. Final cut is going to be constrained by your disk speed.
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I don't know, is the spinning disk going to be faster or slower than an external USB?
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USB? Again, I would have to do the math. Then there's theoretical speeds and then there's
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real-world speeds, which are different. I don't know. It's possible. I don't want to
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give some advice here because I haven't done the research other than to say that I would
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never boot from an external drive. That's just a rule of mine and maybe things have
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changed but I'm a little skeptical. There is probably an external super fast storage
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that you could boot from but even then I don't know. I don't have a good answer to this question.
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Rick has written in, "Do either of you have a strategy when your podcast queue starts
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to get too long?"
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happens. I'm not going to name any names, but there are podcasts hosted by friends of
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mine where I just don't listen to every episode. I listen when I can, but they're not all on
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the, like, "I will listen to every single episode of this podcast" list. And then also
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I have some podcasts that come and go because they're the more storytelling like "Hello
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from the Magic Tavern" or "Dragon Friends" or "The Adventure Zone" where I will listen
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to "I'll Get on a Kick" and I'll listen to a bunch of them and then I'll leave them there
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because they're not going anywhere and they're not topical. So it's a combination of them.
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those. But okay, I'll mention one, like, "Reconcilable Differences" I really like,
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but I don't listen to every episode. "Cortex" I really like, I don't listen to
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every episode because I don't have enough time, I don't have a lot of
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podcasts listening, and then all of a sudden I'll have a couple things
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I have to drive to, like next week I'm speaking at a user group in Sacramento,
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so I'm going to be spending a couple hours in the car each way.
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Well, I'll be listening to lots of podcasts on that trip, and so that'll be
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a chance for me to get caught up a little bit. But, you know, by the time I
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do that, there will have been, like, a bunch of episodes that I haven't heard
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of some of my friends' podcasts that I will just have to skip. And so I triage it.
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Yeah, mine's very similar. If my list starts to get too long, I just start cutting out
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stuff that's topical. So like if I have a show that is news-based and a second episode
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comes in, well, the first one's gonna go now because it's old to the point of there being
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a new one. So all that old news is gone again. So that's something that I do. It's kind of
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just triage and then I let things just go into a long list and I can pick them out when
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I want to if I want to get to them later. But typically I will listen to shows that
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I really love that are news focused will get hit first or just the stuff that I'm waiting
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for the episodes always, right? To the point when I see them, I'm like, "That is going
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straight to the top of my list because I must listen to it today."
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Keegan says, "Do you think that Apple's competitors like Microsoft and Samsung know
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more about Apple's future plans via supply chains or espionage than we hear from rumor
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sites? Is that something that we believe happens in the technology industry? Do we think that
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they probably know more about it than we do or at a faster pace? What do you think, Jason?
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I don't know for sure. My guess would be that they know differently. My guess would be that
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some of the stuff they discover from reports and that maybe there's also stuff that they
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glean from the supply chain or from sources or friends or all of those things. But I would
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bet that mostly it's from media reports, actually.
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Yeah, I would agree. The majority in the pie would be they know what we know, but every
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now and then these companies are going to have their own sources because that's just
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a thing, right? You want to know what your competitors are up to and sometimes that means
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corporate espionage, which I'm sure does happen in this industry, but it needs to happen less
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because there are people that make websites about it. I bet this needs to happen more
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in the oven world than it does in the computer world. I think about video games quite a lot
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with this because it's something I find really interesting that a video game can be basically
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completed before anybody knows about it.
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It stays under wraps really well.
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So I would expect that there's a little bit more of this corporate espionagey stuff in
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the video game world.
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Because it seems to be that video games are able to be kept under wraps for longer.
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For example, Super Smash Brothers just got announced as a game that will be coming this
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This is a game that people have been going crazy for, hoping that it will come out.
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It's obviously been in development but we didn't know until it was announced like a
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week or two ago.
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So I but I expect that Sony probably knew because somebody was able to get that information
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It's very interesting.
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Last question from Keith.
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Do you use any charging stations to keep your devices tidy?
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If so, which one?
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I use the Studio Neat material dock on my bedside table, which is a iPhone and Apple
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watch combo thing which I really like but that's all I have kind of charging station-wise.
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What about you Jason?
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Jason: I have that funny little Apple watch charging dock that looks like a classic Mac.
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Is that okay? Yep, yep. That I can put it in and you know it's in the watch mode or
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clock mode alarm whatever that's called.
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Is that made by Ilago?
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Sleep night. Yeah I think that's right. Okay. I have that on my bedside. I don't keep my
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phone by my bedside so I don't and I just have a lightning plug for my iPad and the
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phone's laying out in the kitchen on a Qi charger. So nothing exciting.
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If you want to send in your questions for the end of the show just send us a tweet with
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the hashtag #AskUpgrade and they'll go into a list for us to pick from in a future episode.
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Thank you so much to everybody that did that. Just bear in mind we will do Ask Upgrade next
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week most likely but it will be focused on the event so if you have questions after Apple's
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event next week just send a tweet with the hashtag #AskUpgrade and I'll try and grab a
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selection of those for us to talk about on the show so if you have questions about what's
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happened maybe there's specific things you want to get Jason's opinions on having been
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in the room having maybe seen whatever new products are released if any just send in
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a tweet with the hashtag #AskUpgrade but if you have other things you want to know about
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in the week just send them in as normal and they'll probably be picked on a future episode
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And also if you have a question you want to hear us open the show with, the hashtag Snail
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Talk is the one you want for that.
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Don't forget there will be a scorecard for the draft in the show notes for you to follow
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along at home.
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And if you want to come and see us at WWDC, tickets to get for the Relay FM live show
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or conf, there's links in the show notes for that too.
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If you want to find Jason online, it's at sixcolors.com.
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Jason, will you be doing any event coverage next week?
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it is I don't know but something yes. Are you going to be doing live? I'll probably
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leave the live tweeting to Dan and focus on paying attention. And what is that Twitter
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account for people to follow? That's a six colors event is the Twitter account or you
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can just follow bleed six colors and we'll link to it from there. I will put six colors
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event in the show notes so people can follow along. Dan and Jason do a great job with that
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I always keep that one going when we've got something, we've got an event going on.
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But Jason is @jsnell on Twitter.
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I am @imike.
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Thank you so much for listening to this week's episode of Upgrade.
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Thanks again to our sponsors, Squarespace, Smile with TextExpander, FreshBooks, and SaneBox.
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And we'll be back next week from new and exciting locations.
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Until then, say goodbye, Jason Snell.
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See you on the other side.
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