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00:00:08 ◼   ► From Relay FM, this is Upgrade Episode 195, the third annual WWDC draft.

00:00:17 ◼   ► Today's show is brought to you by Pingdom, PDF Pen 10 from Smile, ButcherBox, and Skillshare.

00:00:23 ◼   ► My name is Myke Hurley and I am joined by my draft compatriot, Mr. Jason Snell.

00:00:29 ◼   ► Hello, Mr. Myke Hurley, how are you?

00:00:31 ◼   ► I am very well indeed, very well indeed, because we are drafting today, of course.

00:00:36 ◼   ► Draft time.

00:00:37 ◼   ► It is time because WWDC is next week, so it is draft time this week.

00:00:42 ◼   ► How is that possible?

00:00:43 ◼   ► Yeah, we have some things to get through first.

00:00:45 ◼   ► Oh.

00:00:46 ◼   ► And we will begin with our #snowtalk question for this week, and that comes from Steve.

00:00:51 ◼   ► And Jason, Steve wants to know, over the years when you've been going to WWDC keynotes,

00:00:57 ◼   ► has your seating gotten any better? Like have you moved closer to the stage over the years?

00:01:02 ◼   ► And also do you seek a particular spot next to a friend or are there people you try and seek out

00:01:07 ◼   ► to sit with when you're watching the keynotes? So the way it works, so back in the day where

00:01:11 ◼   ► Macworld Expo was a thing, because that was run by IDG, we got, IDG got some seats that were like

00:01:19 ◼   ► the- You sit backstage, sit wherever you want! That was the, I couldn't sit backstage because

00:01:23 ◼   ► 'Cause Apple controlled that event.

00:01:25 ◼   ► Apple in the later days especially,

00:01:27 ◼   ► Apple controlled that event.

00:01:29 ◼   ► But because it was IDG, we got,

00:01:33 ◼   ► there were some IDG badges and I got some of those

00:01:35 ◼   ► in the last few years of Mac World Expo

00:01:38 ◼   ► when Apple was there.

00:01:39 ◼   ► And so that was great because there are a few keynotes

00:01:43 ◼   ► where I was in the front row, which is the best.

00:01:46 ◼   ► - So over the time you've actually had a seating downgrade.

00:01:48 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:01:49 ◼   ► Yeah, well at WWDC it was a constant upgrade at Macworld Expo. At WWDC and other Apple

00:01:57 ◼   ► media events, WWDC is slightly different because the media group is only a part of the group

00:02:02 ◼   ► and obviously the developers are the other part of the group. So the audience is a little

00:02:08 ◼   ► bit different and as a result actually WWDC seating for media is worse because they want

00:02:16 ◼   ► to have a lot of cheering developers right up front in addition to the Apple VIPs. And

00:02:21 ◼   ► so we kind of get shunted off to the side. Fair enough. Fair enough. So I would say I

00:02:26 ◼   ► don't think my seating has gotten better. Generally how it works is we all are milling

00:02:29 ◼   ► about in a space for the media that's separate as any developer listening will know because

00:02:35 ◼   ► and you'll see it again next week. These members of the media turn up and you've been waiting

00:02:40 ◼   ► in line since four in the morning and the members of the media like stumble up at 830

00:02:45 ◼   ► or nine in the morning and are ushered right in to their separate line and they wait in

00:02:51 ◼   ► their separate space. It's true. I feel bad about it, but I also don't want to be out

00:02:54 ◼   ► there at four in the morning. So, we mill about in our area at the McHenry Convention

00:02:59 ◼   ► Center last year. They actually took us in and took us upstairs to where the entryway

00:03:07 ◼   ► was pretty well in advance. And then they actually loaded us, they load us before they

00:03:11 ◼   ► load the attendees in that case because there are so many attendees and it takes them a

00:03:16 ◼   ► long time to load them in. So we're often, I think we were loaded in like an hour at

00:03:20 ◼   ► least before the show started last year. So that'll probably happen again. Pro tip, don't

00:03:25 ◼   ► drink a lot of orange juice and tea and stuff that Apple provides for media members before

00:03:30 ◼   ► you go in because you're going to be in there a very long time. And where's the bathroom?

00:03:34 ◼   ► Who knows? Will you be able to get back? Maybe not. Just don't do it. Anyway, so in terms

00:03:40 ◼   ► of being your friend, you know, you run into people, you know, obviously I see people I

00:03:45 ◼   ► know I ran into Mark Gurman. I ran into John Gruber. I ran into Renee Richie. I ran into

00:03:51 ◼   ► Serenity Caldwell at WWC last year. We're all chatting and what happens is you just

00:03:57 ◼   ► kind of move from person to person. You're chatting and then at some point the stampede

00:04:00 ◼   ► begins, right? Which is the doors begin to open or somebody comes through and says, can

00:04:04 ◼   ► you know, can you move toward the doors? We're about to open it up and at that point you

00:04:08 ◼   ► like you're going down aisles, you're probably not running, although I'm sure somebody runs,

00:04:13 ◼   ► because that's a little bit silly, and they point you at where you're allowed to sit,

00:04:16 ◼   ► and this is one of the challenges that you have is like you think, "Okay, we're going

00:04:20 ◼   ► here, we're in good shape," and then they're like, "Yeah, you can't come down here, you

00:04:22 ◼   ► got to turn, you got to go down to the left further, and then over, and then you can sit,"

00:04:28 ◼   ► and then, you know, it's not orderly in that moment. It is literally like people are just

00:04:32 ◼   ► kind of like going into a row, "Do I want to have a worse seat further up? Oh, that

00:04:36 ◼   ► seats saved, oh now I've lost that, I need to back up. So that part's chaotic. So in

00:04:41 ◼   ► the end, I often sit with a friend because it's whoever I was with sort of as we began

00:04:47 ◼   ► to move into the venue itself in the theater part. And sometimes we will like, somebody

00:04:55 ◼   ► will get in a row and they know they were with three or four people and they'll sort

00:04:59 ◼   ► of save those seats and wave them over and then they'll get in there. I've also had it

00:05:03 ◼   ► where I'm sitting next to nobody I know.

00:05:04 ◼   ► And it really, but usually near people I know,

00:05:08 ◼   ► if not right next to them.

00:05:09 ◼   ► And it just, you know, that's just sort of how it goes.

00:05:12 ◼   ► Like I was right next to Serenity and Renee in Chicago

00:05:17 ◼   ► with, there was a group or somebody else was very close,

00:05:23 ◼   ► but not right next to us.

00:05:25 ◼   ► So yeah, that's how it works.

00:05:28 ◼   ► It's a little chaotic.

00:05:29 ◼   ► It is nice to sit with friends and colleagues.

00:05:32 ◼   ► if you can and sometimes you can't.

00:05:38 ◼   ► Thank you so much to Steve for sending in that question, it was a great opener for this

00:05:41 ◼   ► week's show.

00:05:42 ◼   ► If you would like to send in a question to open up a future episode of Upgrade, just

00:05:45 ◼   ► send out a tweet with the hashtag SnellTalk and we collect them up for future use.

00:05:50 ◼   ► So let's talk about WWDC then as we're recording this right now we are quite literally

00:05:54 ◼   ► one week away almost exactly to you walking into that room.

00:05:59 ◼   ► Oh boy.

00:06:00 ◼   ► Yeah almost exactly.

00:06:01 ◼   ► A week from now as we record this, I will be at that convention center, possibly in

00:06:06 ◼   ► line, possibly in the room right now.

00:06:10 ◼   ► Here we are.

00:06:11 ◼   ► And I'll be getting set up in a hotel room with everything set.

00:06:14 ◼   ► I'll have all of my equipment with me, I'll have my scorecard for the draft, I'll have

00:06:19 ◼   ► everything all set, I'll be ready and waiting, probably with a coffee in hand, to mark everything

00:06:24 ◼   ► off and kind of keep my hand on the control center.

00:06:28 ◼   ► But going into WWDC this year, there have not been any leaks of any specificity or detail

00:06:36 ◼   ► really.

00:06:37 ◼   ► We don't really know anything.

00:06:39 ◼   ► That has made the draft a little bit more interesting this year because there isn't

00:06:45 ◼   ► really anything substantial.

00:06:49 ◼   ► The most that we've had is kind of just like, "Oh, it's going to be quieter and they're

00:06:54 ◼   ► going to focus on notifications maybe and they might do parental control stuff maybe.

00:06:58 ◼   ► That's kind of like all there's been. There haven't been any significant leaks. As we

00:07:02 ◼   ► record this right now, I mean, we have some, you know, kind of we are in red alert over

00:07:08 ◼   ► the next couple of days, really?

00:07:10 ◼   ► And this is what happens is we often do these drafts and then in the intervening week, things

00:07:15 ◼   ► emerge. But that's also good. Like we're doing it at a point where we're sort of picking

00:07:20 ◼   ► based on the kind of broad knowledge of what might be there, what has been rumored and

00:07:27 ◼   ► all that, but without those things that sometimes leak right at the start. I have to admit,

00:07:31 ◼   ► Myke, looking through our draft list, I started to think of proposing a new rule, which is

00:07:35 ◼   ► if you make a good faith effort to pick things that you think might be chosen, and literally

00:07:40 ◼   ► none of them are chosen, you win. Like, to shoot the moon, but I don't think we should

00:07:44 ◼   ► do that.

00:07:45 ◼   ► I think the judgment on that would need multiple adjudicators. That's an additional complication.

00:07:51 ◼   ► Yeah, I do think that somebody is going to get like the golden turkey or something if

00:07:55 ◼   ► they get a score of zero. And it's not impossible that we could get a score of zero because

00:08:00 ◼   ► we are, yeah, we don't know a lot. The doubling down on secrecy perhaps, you know, Apple has

00:08:06 ◼   ► been, for all of the details that people like Mark Gurman get, they definitely are making

00:08:13 ◼   ► efforts and we talked about them on this show to show employees that they're

00:08:18 ◼   ► investigating people and they get people in trouble and they lose their jobs and

00:08:21 ◼   ► they can be investigated by the police and all these things and it does feel

00:08:25 ◼   ► like stuff has dried up to a certain extent.

00:08:28 ◼   ► Also keep in mind that the meat and potatoes of WWDC is not hardware.

00:08:33 ◼   ► Hardware is complicated because there's a very long supply chain. There are suppliers

00:08:38 ◼   ► of parts and manufacturing that happens and it is a huge numbers of people are

00:08:43 ◼   ► involved outside of Cupertino in all of that. And as a result, hardware stuff

00:08:47 ◼   ► tends to leak, even if they try to keep it a super secret, like the iPhone would

00:08:51 ◼   ► be a perfect example. If there's any product Apple would like to keep a

00:08:54 ◼   ► secret until the moment it's released, it's the iPhone. They can't. They just

00:08:57 ◼   ► can't. There are always going to be leaks about the iPhone because of that supply

00:09:00 ◼   ► chain. But software is the meat and potatoes of WWDC, and what that means is

00:09:05 ◼   ► software is a much more constrained group. It's generally just people who

00:09:10 ◼   ► work at Apple, mostly in Cupertino, and occasionally they'll bring in a third-party app developer

00:09:16 ◼   ► and have them be under serious NDA, and often they are working on their app in the building

00:09:22 ◼   ► in Cupertino, not back home. And so it's much more lockdown. And as a result, WWDC is generally

00:09:29 ◼   ► a little more surprising and a little more secretive than hardware events. But still,

00:09:35 ◼   ► one feels like the most mysterious agenda that we've had in a while.

00:09:42 ◼   ► Also you've kind of got two ways of thinking about this, right? If we don't know anything

00:09:47 ◼   ► at this stage, one of two things is happening. Either A) it's a sleeper year, there's nothing

00:09:53 ◼   ► happening, or B) they've done a very good job of keeping the leaks under control up

00:10:01 ◼   ► to this point. So if you were going to put kind of your your money on on something right

00:10:06 ◼   ► like if you were going to say you know put a stake in the ground do you think that it's

00:10:11 ◼   ► which one of those are you leaning towards that is that's going to be a real quiet year

00:10:15 ◼   ► with nothing much announced or that we kind of don't know anything yet which one do you

00:10:20 ◼   ► think it is? I think it's a I think it's a bit of both really I suspect that if I had

00:10:25 ◼   ► to put money down I would say it's not nothing but it's going to be a collection of maybe

00:10:32 ◼   ► smaller items, none of which really rose to the point where they became spread enough

00:10:39 ◼   ► to generate a rumor, generate a leak or anything like that. So I don't think it's going to

00:10:46 ◼   ► be one of those that's so quiet that it's just like this is a really boring year and

00:10:49 ◼   ► Apple didn't do anything at the developer conference and it turns out that they didn't

00:10:53 ◼   ► need to even bother inviting people other than developers to it, but I don't think it'll

00:10:59 ◼   ► be that. But I also suspect that maybe it will be a year without some sort of mind-blowing

00:11:06 ◼   ► marquee like, "Whoa, they're adding this thing," or, "They did this thing." I think maybe that's

00:11:13 ◼   ► where we'll see what has been sold to us as kind of bug fixes and incremental updates

00:11:17 ◼   ► and performance tuning and all, you know, improve stability and usability and like all

00:11:22 ◼   ► those unglamorous things. I don't think it will necessarily be that like Apple have a

00:11:27 ◼   ► big slide that says, you know, bug fixes, right? I don't think that's necessarily going

00:11:33 ◼   ► to happen. If you think so, you can pick that in the draft. But I, um, but I do think that

00:11:38 ◼   ► the, the net result will be a whole bunch of features that they'll say are amazing,

00:11:43 ◼   ► but that none of which are like the ones that we usually think of as, as the ones that blow

00:11:47 ◼   ► us away. Like where, you know, WWDC 2017, it was constant blowing away for two hours,

00:11:54 ◼   ► right? Like they kept surprising us with lots and lots of interesting things and cool things.

00:12:00 ◼   ► And I will say there were a lot of surprises in that keynote last year, so it is very possible

00:12:04 ◼   ► that there will be surprises again this year. But I think I'm leaning towards what you said,

00:12:08 ◼   ► that it's not going to be as big as last year, but there's a lot we don't know yet. And I

00:12:13 ◼   ► I guess, you know, we're gonna wait and see. I mean, like, look at something like Swift

00:12:16 ◼   ► in 2016, like, completely out of the field, right?

00:12:19 ◼   ► So, you know.

00:12:20 ◼   ► - Right. And that's the kind of thing. I think there will be a surprise or two like that,

00:12:23 ◼   ► but I just don't think it's gonna be... And part of this is the power of reporting, and

00:12:29 ◼   ► we'll see, you know, Mark Gurman's sources have been very good. We'll see if they're

00:12:33 ◼   ► still very good. A few months ago, Mark Gurman said there's a whole bunch of stuff that they're

00:12:37 ◼   ► not going to do. And his story was basically like, Apple felt like it was biting off more

00:12:45 ◼   ► than it could chew in terms of OS development. And so it was going to take some stuff that

00:12:49 ◼   ► it was working really hard to get in this year's release and it was punting it into

00:12:53 ◼   ► 2019 because they just felt like it was too much. And he listed off a whole bunch of things,

00:12:58 ◼   ► including iPad features and a redesigned home screen and all these things, and he said,

00:13:03 ◼   ► are not happening. We'll see. But the impression you get from that is that the iOS and macOS

00:13:10 ◼   ► releases will be a lot less ambitious than maybe they were going to be. It doesn't mean

00:13:13 ◼   ► that there aren't things in there that are still going to be impressive and that may

00:13:18 ◼   ► even surprise us. But everything is tempered by that report, I think, because that report

00:13:24 ◼   ► was saying don't get your hopes up for massive items being announced in the OS part of WWDC

00:13:32 ◼   ► they're trying to be a little more disciplined about delivering what they promised because

00:13:38 ◼   ► of course last year they announced some stuff that still hasn't shipped and that's they

00:13:42 ◼   ► didn't used to do that so it's been a while since Apple completely whiffed on some features

00:13:47 ◼   ► that they announced were going to be in the OS and then never they're about to be lapped.

00:13:52 ◼   ► - Yeah which is kind of weird so we're both gonna be in San Jose for WWDC I'm gonna be

00:13:59 ◼   ► there all week. You're going to be there for the majority of week, I believe, right? You're

00:14:02 ◼   ► going to be going to be in and around town. Yeah. So there will be obviously be a few

00:14:06 ◼   ► things that we're going to be attending. Obviously, if you see us around town, please come up

00:14:10 ◼   ► and say hi. We'd love that kind of thing. If you if you are going to be around. We're

00:14:13 ◼   ► both going to be taking a part of taking part in, I should say, the Relay FM live show,

00:14:20 ◼   ► which is on June 6th, Wednesday the 6th, which is all sold out. We hope that we're going

00:14:24 ◼   ► to see you there. We're looking forward to that. But if you are looking for activities

00:14:28 ◼   ► to do during the week. I'm going to put a link in the show notes to an article written

00:14:32 ◼   ► by Serenity Caldwell talking about some of the events and goings on that are occurring

00:14:37 ◼   ► kind of throughout the week in San Jose. It's always a fun time. I can't wait. I'm very

00:14:42 ◼   ► excited now. So I'm looking forward to it. Looking forward to hanging out with you, Jason.

00:14:46 ◼   ► And we'll finally get to, you know, we'll get to score this, this draft, which we're

00:14:50 ◼   ► now going to move into. This is the third annual upgrade WWDC draft. Let me run through

00:14:57 ◼   ► the rules. Standard rules apply. 10 rounds, 20 overall picks. 10 picks each. The winner

00:15:05 ◼   ► of the previous draft gets first pick. Jason picked that up with the education event. Jason

00:15:10 ◼   ► won that draft so he gets to pick first. For an item to count when we do our scoring, it

00:15:16 ◼   ► must either clearly be announced on stage or on a slide during the presentation. They

00:15:22 ◼   ► They are the only two ways that a point can be picked up.

00:15:25 ◼   ► If something is a net preannounced

00:15:27 ◼   ► or something is ridiculously obvious, it will not count.

00:15:30 ◼   ► So the ridiculously obvious stuff,

00:15:32 ◼   ► we'll know beforehand, right, when we're doing it now.

00:15:34 ◼   ► But if something is preannounced between now and WWDC

00:15:38 ◼   ► and doesn't get shown on stage, those points do not count.

00:15:41 ◼   ► There are no half points.

00:15:43 ◼   ► The points awarded on the episode are final.

00:15:45 ◼   ► There's no rescoring afterwards.

00:15:47 ◼   ► So the points will be awarded on next week's show

00:15:50 ◼   ► after WWDC is concluded, the keynote is concluded,

00:15:54 ◼   ► and we will have an adjudicator in Stephen Hackett

00:15:57 ◼   ► in case of a scoring stalemate between the two of us.

00:16:00 ◼   ► We love to and always prefer to and do our best

00:16:03 ◼   ► at scoring ourselves, but where we can't,

00:16:05 ◼   ► we will use Stephen's results as a guide to help us through.

00:16:09 ◼   ► So, so far this year, 2018's results,

00:16:13 ◼   ► you picked up the last draft.

00:16:17 ◼   ► I won WWDC last year.

00:16:20 ◼   ► So I did.

00:16:22 ◼   ► So it's gonna be interesting to see if I can, I need this.

00:16:24 ◼   ► I need to pull this back because if Jason wins

00:16:28 ◼   ► this draft here, he's probably gonna take all of 2018.

00:16:32 ◼   ► Right, 'cause we expect there's probably gonna be

00:16:34 ◼   ► three keynotes this year in total.

00:16:36 ◼   ► So this one is very important to me.

00:16:38 ◼   ► - You would only, at the very best,

00:16:40 ◼   ► you would only hope to tie me if there were four events,

00:16:42 ◼   ► which there probably won't be.

00:16:43 ◼   ► So yes, it's all to play for.

00:16:45 ◼   ► It's a key mode.

00:16:45 ◼   ► is against the wall here Myke.

00:16:48 ◼   ► And there will be in the show notes a scorecard for you to download so you can score along

00:16:53 ◼   ► with us during the keynote next week.

00:16:56 ◼   ► So we should probably get ready here, we're going to reset and we're going to go into

00:17:00 ◼   ► picking our first three items, but before we do let's take our first break of this week's

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00:19:23 ◼   ► warming at all, it's just circulating, that is the fastest way to thaw any frozen meat

00:19:28 ◼   ► is you put it in there and you're not trying to warm it up,

00:19:30 ◼   ► you keep it cool.

00:19:32 ◼   ► But in very like less than an hour, I think,

00:19:34 ◼   ► it was completely thawed.

00:19:35 ◼   ► So I did that.

00:19:36 ◼   ► And then we've made a bunch of meals

00:19:37 ◼   ► with the chicken and the beef.

00:19:38 ◼   ► I think I'm gonna thaw the ground beef

00:19:41 ◼   ► and make burgers tonight because it's Memorial Day

00:19:43 ◼   ► as we record this in California

00:19:45 ◼   ► and the rest of the United States, I suppose too.

00:19:48 ◼   ► I was gonna say, I'm in California,

00:19:49 ◼   ► the whole United States recognizes Memorial Day.

00:19:51 ◼   ► Anyway, it's the end of a three-day weekend for us.

00:19:54 ◼   ► And traditionally you kind of like grill something

00:19:57 ◼   ► something. So I may thaw out some of the ground beef, but it's very good stuff and high quality.

00:20:03 ◼   ► Haven't had any complaints, just really good. The chicken thighs especially that we got.

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00:20:34 ◼   ► Alright Snail. The friend, all this friendly nature is over because it's draft time. It's

00:20:42 ◼   ► draft time. So we're going to start our picks. As mentioned, Jason gets to go first. Jason

00:20:47 ◼   ► will give his pick, we'll talk about it and then I'll give my pick, we'll talk about it

00:20:51 ◼   ► and continue.

00:20:52 ◼   ► So Jason, what is your first pick, your opening pick, the thing that you think is most likely

00:20:58 ◼   ► to happen for WWDC 2018?

00:21:01 ◼   ► And I believe, you know, one of the challenges here is, as we said earlier, we don't really

00:21:07 ◼   ► know what's going on.

00:21:08 ◼   ► So there's, it's really hard.

00:21:10 ◼   ► So I had this decision of, I could open with something that I think is really boring, but

00:21:14 ◼   ► almost certainly, I mean, in fact, I didn't even put in here, neither of us put in here

00:21:17 ◼   ► game demo on stage, which is like a free point.

00:21:21 ◼   ► It's a free square. And we didn't do that. I feel like that it's just not even... If

00:21:26 ◼   ► something you know is going to happen, it should not even count.

00:21:29 ◼   ► I play to win through faultfulness, not through trickiness, you know?

00:21:33 ◼   ► So my challenge though was, do I pick something that I think is going to happen and play for

00:21:36 ◼   ► the win when it would be an embarrassing first pick? Boring first pick? And I decided, you

00:21:42 ◼   ► know what? I'm not going to do that. There's only one item in one of our categories, because

00:21:47 ◼   ► we had a little our agreed upon list. We had a bunch of different categories and there

00:21:52 ◼   ► and even though we always say don't talk about hardware and there's only one item in the

00:21:57 ◼   ► hardware list that I think might even have a chance of happening but I think I'm going

00:22:00 ◼   ► to pick it first and just let it sit there and we'll see what happens. So with my first

00:22:05 ◼   ► pick I'm going to say MacBook Pro update.

00:22:09 ◼   ► Oh wow, okay. That's a big one. I know, I know. Especially because we just spent the opening of the show talking about the fact that hardware leaks.

00:22:20 ◼   ► And we don't have any leaks. Well, a MacBook Pro update doesn't necessarily mean a completely redesigned MacBook Pro.

00:22:28 ◼   ► It doesn't. It could just be, first off, people aren't looking for Mac leaks like they're looking for iOS leaks.

00:22:33 ◼   ► and something that's not a radical change in the hardware

00:22:36 ◼   ► might not be noticed.

00:22:37 ◼   ► So, but I agree with you.

00:22:40 ◼   ► Like, do I, am I high?

00:22:42 ◼   ► Is this the thing I'm most confident about on my list?

00:22:45 ◼   ► It is absolutely not.

00:22:46 ◼   ► But the good news is, Myke,

00:22:48 ◼   ► that every pick number one, pick number 10,

00:22:51 ◼   ► each of them is only worth a point.

00:22:52 ◼   ► But I wanna go out with a big one to start this draft.

00:22:56 ◼   ► So there it is, MacBook Pro update.

00:22:57 ◼   ► I think, here's my rationale for why I think

00:23:00 ◼   ► despite everything, it might happen.

00:23:02 ◼   ► The audience is developers. There is no computer developer use. I believe more than the MacBook

00:23:07 ◼   ► Pro. I know that a lot of developers use iMacs, maybe even using iMac Pros now, but the reality

00:23:14 ◼   ► is more than two-thirds of the Macs sold, I believe, are laptops. And the MacBook Pro

00:23:22 ◼   ► for developers, like, they all want MacBook Pros. They all want to travel with them. It

00:23:29 ◼   ► a hugely important product. I believe that developer audience is going to be the most

00:23:32 ◼   ► receptive if there is a positive message about Apple hearing the needs of MacBook Pro users.

00:23:38 ◼   ► And they announced MacBook updates last year at this time. So even if it's not a huge like,

00:23:47 ◼   ► "Well, we've rethought it and the touch bar is going to do this or it's going to be gone,"

00:23:50 ◼   ► or whatever like that, just new processors showing our commitment to continue to update

00:23:56 ◼   ► the MacBook Pro because we know you guys care about the Mac. That's my rationale there,

00:24:01 ◼   ► is even though we don't have any signal about that, I feel like they have to say something

00:24:05 ◼   ► and it's been a year. And if they aren't planning a fall complete redesign of the entire

00:24:11 ◼   ► laptop line, which I think they probably aren't, then this would be the time to get the developers

00:24:17 ◼   ► pumped about Apple's commitment to the Mac.

00:24:20 ◼   ► So I had my, I had this on my list but not very high, but I had it in there, I was definitely

00:24:26 ◼   ► going to pick it in, out of my 10, right?

00:24:29 ◼   ► Just because I agree with you, it makes sense.

00:24:32 ◼   ► One of the reasons I didn't put it so high though is, whilst I agree that the MacBook

00:24:37 ◼   ► Pro's audience, you know, the perfect person is the developer for it, I think if Apple

00:24:44 ◼   ► don't have something meaningful, it might be a not good audience to show this off in

00:24:48 ◼   ► front of.

00:24:49 ◼   ► Like if all it is right now is just, oh hey, it has the new Intel chips in it.

00:24:54 ◼   ► I don't know if putting that on stage is a good thing for them, right?

00:24:59 ◼   ► I think...

00:25:00 ◼   ► Well, they did it last year.

00:25:01 ◼   ► I think it is a good thing for them because it is... one of the big complaints about these

00:25:06 ◼   ► laptops is whether they changed the keyboard or not, right?

00:25:09 ◼   ► Right.

00:25:10 ◼   ► But that's what I'm thinking of is people want that right now.

00:25:12 ◼   ► Whether they want it or they think they want it or whatever, like that's considered the

00:25:16 ◼   ► thing that needs to change.

00:25:17 ◼   ► I'll tell you though, they're not going to announce that we are once again updating the

00:25:23 ◼   ► MacBook Pro to have the latest and greatest Intel processors because we know you care

00:25:28 ◼   ► and you want to stay on the cutting edge with this stuff and so we've done that today. They're

00:25:33 ◼   ► not going to get booze for that. They're not. People afterward will write angry blog posts

00:25:38 ◼   ► about them not updating the keyboard if they don't, but in the moment, it's sending a positive

00:25:44 ◼   ► message to developers.

00:25:45 ◼   ► - Just the reinforcement thing you're thinking of then.

00:25:47 ◼   ► - Because how soon we forget,

00:25:49 ◼   ► there was a period in there where Apple was like so slow

00:25:53 ◼   ► at updating the MacBook hardware

00:25:55 ◼   ► and not picking up the latest Intel processors.

00:25:58 ◼   ► And they have now, they did that last year

00:26:02 ◼   ► when they in less than a year updated the MacBook Pro.

00:26:05 ◼   ► So it's now been a year.

00:26:06 ◼   ► I think they can't wait much longer

00:26:10 ◼   ► to update those systems with the new processors.

00:26:12 ◼   ► So I think that's my rationale here.

00:26:14 ◼   ► But again, it's a little bit of a shot in the dark. I just didn't want to go out with

00:26:17 ◼   ► something boring for the first pick. So there it is, MacBook Pro update.

00:26:21 ◼   ► I don't know if my first pick is a boring one or not. I don't necessarily think it is,

00:26:27 ◼   ► but it really does feel like to me, if I'm putting—this is again without really any

00:26:32 ◼   ► significant information, but just where I would kind of say like, this is something

00:26:36 ◼   ► I think Apple's going to focus on a lot. And it's whatever they end up calling what Google

00:26:41 ◼   ► called Digital Wellbeing. I think this is going to be a big part of WWDC this year.

00:26:49 ◼   ► Some focus on the way people use their devices or the responsibility that Apple has for the

00:26:56 ◼   ► way that people use their devices. Some kind of thing along those lines which will wrap

00:27:02 ◼   ► up into it some other features that are also in our draft picks which we can get into later

00:27:08 ◼   ► Iran because I obviously have picked a bunch of those.

00:27:11 ◼   ► And I reckon you may have too, but just some focus around.

00:27:15 ◼   ► And I actually picked this for the education event as well.

00:27:18 ◼   ► This is one of my things for the education event,

00:27:20 ◼   ► because I thought it would might maybe pop up there because that was when the

00:27:22 ◼   ► stories had started to surface around Apple needs better parental controls.

00:27:26 ◼   ► They're ruining our children.

00:27:27 ◼   ► This was like a thing that started to occur, right?

00:27:30 ◼   ► And I believe that WWDC this year for the iOS side

00:27:35 ◼   ► will focus on tools and functions and a rethinking around Apple's responsibility for the way

00:27:42 ◼   ► that people use their devices.

00:27:45 ◼   ► Yeah, I think I saw this in the list and I think it's an interesting idea. Obviously,

00:27:52 ◼   ► Google just did this at Google I/O. That's one thing that makes me think, you know, makes

00:27:55 ◼   ► me ask like, will they lean that hard into it since Google did that? Will they go along?

00:28:01 ◼   ► So I want to clarify your pick here. The way I read this is you're saying that there will

00:28:07 ◼   ► be some kind of discussion, whether it's a bullet point or just in them talking, about

00:28:13 ◼   ► how one of the things we wanted to do was look at how we use our devices, look at how

00:28:18 ◼   ► they fit into our lives and can we make that better. Can we, you know, something about

00:28:24 ◼   ► improving your life through changing the ways that you use technology. That seems to me

00:28:29 ◼   ► to be what you're picking.

00:28:30 ◼   ► either you or your family. That they're selling that concept and it might be like a bullet point,

00:28:35 ◼   ► like here are the three things we wanted to do and one of them is, you know, digital well-being

00:28:40 ◼   ► or something like that or it might just be discussing it on stage but what you're saying

00:28:43 ◼   ► is they're going to put up like an umbrella of here are some things we're doing to help your

00:28:48 ◼   ► personal integration. Okay, there'll be a judgment call but that's what I think too. I think this one

00:28:53 ◼   ► is going to be me and you are going to need to discuss it to see if we feel that it counts but

00:28:57 ◼   ► I think at this point, we believe that the way that we're looking at it is Apple will

00:29:02 ◼   ► have some kind of discussion or concept.

00:29:05 ◼   ► My imagination is they put up this slide of people using their devices and they talk about

00:29:09 ◼   ► the way we use our stuff and, "Oh, we have these new features that reinforce this," or

00:29:14 ◼   ► et cetera, et cetera.

00:29:15 ◼   ► And I'm trying to think of something in the past that they've done this way and I'm drawing

00:29:19 ◼   ► a blank right now, but I think that there's going to be some kind of focus on it when

00:29:25 ◼   ► it comes to iOS.

00:29:26 ◼   ► iOS. You know, like it may be, you know, the way that they've, with the Apple

00:29:29 ◼   ► watch, really kind of leaned into health. And then they have a bunch of features

00:29:33 ◼   ► that are just about all the exercise and workouts and all that kind of stuff, you

00:29:37 ◼   ► know, and then they talk about things that they're doing for people with

00:29:40 ◼   ► disabilities and, you know, like it all leads into this, like making you

00:29:43 ◼   ► healthier thing. And then, because then they also have, right, like they come out

00:29:46 ◼   ► and talk about those studies and the apps that you can download for heart

00:29:49 ◼   ► studies, you know, that, that kind of idea, right? You following kind of, kind

00:29:52 ◼   ► of what I'm putting down?

00:29:53 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:29:54 ◼   ► - Okay, so that's my first pick.

00:29:58 ◼   ► So Jason, what is your second pick?

00:30:00 ◼   ► - I'm gonna pick something that I think is a safe pick

00:30:02 ◼   ► and it piggybacks on what you just picked,

00:30:04 ◼   ► which is I think very specifically,

00:30:06 ◼   ► they're gonna talk about new parental controls in iOS.

00:30:09 ◼   ► Like better control for parents

00:30:11 ◼   ► and maybe for people in general

00:30:13 ◼   ► for access to various things in the system of iOS.

00:30:17 ◼   ► Now they've said before

00:30:18 ◼   ► that they were going to do some of that.

00:30:20 ◼   ► They've said that publicly

00:30:21 ◼   ► because there were complaints and various stories

00:30:24 ◼   ► and government officials and things like that. So I feel like this is something

00:30:27 ◼   ► that's probably a safer kind of pick, but it's an area, you know, the fact is

00:30:31 ◼   ► there's a lot of stuff in iOS that Apple took a first crack at it and then let it

00:30:35 ◼   ► sit for a bunch of years.

00:30:36 ◼   ► Yeah, and I feel like we're at the point in iOS now where for the next few years

00:30:40 ◼   ► a lot of what we're going to see is based on new hardware and new ways of

00:30:45 ◼   ► thinking and evolution of the market that Apple takes a second crack

00:30:50 ◼   ► at some of that stuff and says, well, all right,

00:30:54 ◼   ► that, you know, we're going to do it differently now.

00:30:56 ◼   ► Like that was then, this is now, we're going to change this.

00:30:58 ◼   ► I think this is one of those areas.

00:30:59 ◼   ► So I think new kind of parental controls

00:31:02 ◼   ► and other usage controls that they're getting pressure

00:31:05 ◼   ► from the EU and especially about

00:31:08 ◼   ► will be something they address.

00:31:10 ◼   ► - So I want to talk about what you just mentioned there,

00:31:14 ◼   ► but I'll just throw in my second pick

00:31:15 ◼   ► because it's the exact same reasoning,

00:31:17 ◼   ► which is an overhaul of notifications.

00:31:20 ◼   ► So I believe that they're gonna do some work

00:31:23 ◼   ► in changing and enhancing and focusing

00:31:27 ◼   ► on push notifications to our devices.

00:31:29 ◼   ► And it's the same idea as stuff like parental controls.

00:31:32 ◼   ► They implemented it years ago and never really touched it.

00:31:36 ◼   ► And they've made some slight tweaks,

00:31:38 ◼   ► but really they're just kind of,

00:31:39 ◼   ► oh, now the banner can either stay or it can go away,

00:31:43 ◼   ► or now you can reply to things from the banner.

00:31:45 ◼   ► But the idea of like the banner and all that kind of stuff and notification center, none

00:31:50 ◼   ► of it's ever really changed.

00:31:52 ◼   ► They've just kind of -- they've just moved the deck chairs around a bunch, right?

00:31:56 ◼   ► They've not actually gone and fixed any of the problems, right?

00:31:59 ◼   ► Using the Titanic as a metaphor for notifications.

00:32:03 ◼   ► And it's kind of -- I think these two things are the same, right?

00:32:06 ◼   ► That they have implemented them a long time ago.

00:32:08 ◼   ► They've made some slight changes, but they haven't really gone in and fixed them.

00:32:12 ◼   ► and now iOS is at a stage where now they have to go in and start fixing some of the larger

00:32:18 ◼   ► underpinnings of things. Going back and redoing things that have lasted for a long time that

00:32:24 ◼   ► have just been iterated on over the years and I think that notifications is a big one.

00:32:28 ◼   ► There are so many things that Apple could do here, you only need to look at Google.

00:32:34 ◼   ► Google have over the last maybe two or three iterations of Android, whether you like what

00:32:39 ◼   ► what they do or not, they have actually spent a lot of time trying to change notifications

00:32:44 ◼   ► where Apple has mostly been like, "Oh, we put this button so you can clear everything."

00:32:48 ◼   ► If you're on an iPhone, if you're on an iPad, you can.

00:32:50 ◼   ► Exactly. We've removed one of the ordering functions for you and that's where like Google

00:32:55 ◼   ► is doing stuff where they're allowing you to group notifications and hide notifications

00:33:00 ◼   ► and all that kind of stuff. So I would like to see something here because I believe that,

00:33:04 ◼   ► you know, from my first pick and then the two second round picks we both made, I think

00:33:08 ◼   ► all then like all goes together. Parental controls and notifications all lead into

00:33:14 ◼   ► this the way we use our devices thing which I think is gonna be one of the

00:33:20 ◼   ► maybe two or three biggest features, biggest like overarching ideas which is

00:33:24 ◼   ► focused on for iOS 12. Yeah I wrote a couple articles that have mentioned

00:33:29 ◼   ► notification overhaul because I think it's something that has to happen and I

00:33:32 ◼   ► hope that that happens this year. One of the things that that struck me that I

00:33:36 ◼   ► think as a Google, as an Android feature that I would like on iOS, is the ability

00:33:41 ◼   ► to directly alter your preferences for a notification when you get it. Basically I

00:33:51 ◼   ► want a gesture or a little box, little gear box maybe, that I can tap something

00:33:58 ◼   ► somewhere when I get a notification that says I don't want to see this

00:34:03 ◼   ► again. You know, unsubscribe. You said yes to some company like three years ago and then

00:34:08 ◼   ► they start sending you all these like spammy messages, right, because their company's failing.

00:34:14 ◼   ► And instead of you needing to be like, "Oh no, I gotta go into Sentence and I gotta go

00:34:18 ◼   ► to notifications and scroll to that comp--" like you just get a little button on the notification

00:34:22 ◼   ► and you just like stop. No more. Like, we're done. Yeah, I agree with that. And if there's

00:34:26 ◼   ► more granularity there, that's great. Like if I want to say, "Don't make noise anymore,"

00:34:30 ◼   ► or only show this on the lock screen. Or, depending on how they do this, lower the priority

00:34:36 ◼   ► of this. Just lower the priority. What does that mean? I don't know. Show it to me less

00:34:40 ◼   ► frequently, only show it to me in certain places. There are lots of ways they could

00:34:43 ◼   ► do this. And if an app has some granular notification settings, take me to that app. That's one

00:34:48 ◼   ► of the things I realized in some of the news apps I've got. You get the news app and it

00:34:52 ◼   ► says, "We'll send you breaking news notifications." You're like, "Yes." And then it turns out

00:34:56 ◼   ► they'll say things like, "Hey, there's a new crossword puzzle. And did you know that there's

00:34:59 ◼   ► a recipe and you're like, "This is not breaking news. Why are you doing this?" And there is

00:35:05 ◼   ► a screen somewhere in that app that lets you say, "Oh, turn off all of those and just show

00:35:08 ◼   ► me the breaking news." Again, that would be a nice thing if app developers could have

00:35:12 ◼   ► you tap on that thing. And one of the options is, you know, to take me to the settings and

00:35:17 ◼   ► choose what I'm going to see. All of these things would improve our lives when it comes

00:35:22 ◼   ► to phone notifications. So yeah, thumbs up.

00:35:25 ◼   ► So should we go to pick three?

00:35:27 ◼   ► I think so.

00:35:28 ◼   ► What do you got?

00:35:29 ◼   ► - I am going to take, hopefully take a point off the board,

00:35:33 ◼   ► although I think this is slightly risky and say AirPower,

00:35:38 ◼   ► AirPower, a previously announced product

00:35:40 ◼   ► that does not yet, has not yet shipped.

00:35:43 ◼   ► I'm gonna say it will be mentioned and some sort,

00:35:46 ◼   ► it will either be released or a release date will be set.

00:35:49 ◼   ► I think this is a gamble in the sense that this could slide

00:35:51 ◼   ► all the way to the iPhone announcement,

00:35:53 ◼   ► but I'm gonna say it now only because it's announced product

00:35:57 ◼   ► that's floating out there that has not shipped yet. And therefore, it might get shipped,

00:36:04 ◼   ► or at least be told that it'll be shipping at some point in the next month.

00:36:09 ◼   ► So I believe that when the store comes back next Monday, AirPower will be available for

00:36:16 ◼   ► purchase. I am not convinced they will show it on stage.

00:36:21 ◼   ► Right. That's part of the gamble, right? Is they may not even mention it and it may just

00:36:25 ◼   ► be released or there'll be a press release that goes out that says, "Oh, an AirPower

00:36:30 ◼   ► is available next week." It's possible.

00:36:32 ◼   ► Because my feeling is they would show it on stage if they had something that they were

00:36:37 ◼   ► also introducing that used it, and I don't think this WWDC is going to bring that.

00:36:43 ◼   ► No, I agree with that. There could be some products, but I don't

00:36:46 ◼   ► think that they're going to show off, like, maybe I'm tipping my hand here, but I don't

00:36:50 ◼   ► think they're going to show off an iPhone SE with inductive charging at this one. I

00:36:54 ◼   ► I don't think that's happening.

00:36:55 ◼   ► - It's possible, but I think that it's most likely

00:36:59 ◼   ► that they would mention this in passing in an iOS slide

00:37:02 ◼   ► or in a watchOS slide saying that we've got,

00:37:07 ◼   ► oh, and AirPower will charge your watch too,

00:37:09 ◼   ► as well as your phone, and that's coming out today,

00:37:12 ◼   ► or that's coming out later this week.

00:37:14 ◼   ► So I think it's a risk.

00:37:15 ◼   ► I didn't want to pick, again, game demo on stage.

00:37:20 ◼   ► But so I think there's an element of risk here,

00:37:22 ◼   ► but I think it's worth taking,

00:37:23 ◼   ► I think it's just it's floating out there, right? It's a product that has been mentioned

00:37:26 ◼   ► that hasn't shipped and anytime that happens, you've got to think maybe this is the opportunity

00:37:31 ◼   ► they do to check the box and and get it out the door.

00:37:36 ◼   ► I'm going to take another big theme off the board that there will be a focus on bug fixes

00:37:42 ◼   ► and performance improvements to iOS. That one of the things that Apple is going to focus

00:37:47 ◼   ► on is stability. They will focus on talking about making iOS run better and be more stable,

00:37:55 ◼   ► that kind of thing. One of the big features of iOS 12 is a focus on stability. The wording

00:38:02 ◼   ► on this one is tricky, right? Because I don't know how you market this as a feature, but

00:38:08 ◼   ► I think we'll know it when we see it, right? This will be something that however they refer

00:38:13 ◼   ► it would be like, "Oh, they're talking about making iOS run better." Would you agree with

00:38:18 ◼   ► that? Like, it's difficult to get the wording of this one, I think.

00:38:21 ◼   ► Yeah, so I agree with you. I think we'll know it when we see it. I didn't even have this

00:38:26 ◼   ► on my list because the way I interpreted this is it's really a yes or no question. In a

00:38:31 ◼   ► year when Apple is probably focusing on bug fixes and performance improvements, will they

00:38:36 ◼   ► admit that on stage? Will they talk about, like they did with, what, Mountain Lion and

00:38:42 ◼   ► Snow Leopard that this is, that's our focus. Or will they just show you what's new and

00:38:50 ◼   ► not talk about it at all? Not talk about it as a selling point that we're slowing down

00:38:55 ◼   ► and we're doing a lot of bug fixes and we've changed our focus. And so we'll know when

00:38:59 ◼   ► we see it, right? They will either say as a selling point, or as a mea culpa, but probably

00:39:04 ◼   ► as a selling point, that that's what they're doing. And if they just don't, we'll know.

00:39:11 ◼   ► And I don't think they will, but there's a chance that they will. So that's what you're

00:39:15 ◼   ► picking. And I think that it's entirely possible. But I will tell you, I didn't want to pick

00:39:20 ◼   ► it because I never bet on Apple. It seems mean, but I think it's true. I'm never going

00:39:27 ◼   ► to bet on Apple swallowing its pride and admitting its flaws on stage. I just, I have a hard

00:39:32 ◼   ► time seeing it.

00:39:34 ◼   ► That is the risk that I know I'm taking with this one. But that's why I don't think they're

00:39:39 ◼   ► going to stand there and be like, "Oh man, iOS 11 was buggy, right? Woo!" But what I

00:39:45 ◼   ► do imagine is them saying that we've really taken time to focus on how fast and stable

00:39:50 ◼   ► iOS 12 will be on your devices, right? And I think when we see something like that, you'll

00:39:54 ◼   ► be like, "Oh, I know what you're doing." And so we'll wait and see. We'll wait and see.

00:39:59 ◼   ► But I agree with you. This one I think is as risky as it is a point, right? Because

00:40:06 ◼   ► I think we can both agree, they're probably doing this. Will they talk about it? Who knows.

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00:42:00 ◼   ► four round four.

00:42:02 ◼   ► Okay I'm gonna go with something that's a little bit I think more likely to happen none

00:42:08 ◼   ► of these are 100% but I feel like Apple has had enough buzz around Animoji that they're

00:42:19 ◼   ► going to have new Animoji in the next version of iOS. There will be new Animoji characters.

00:42:26 ◼   ► There's an argument to be made that Animoji is over and it's time to move on to whatever

00:42:29 ◼   ► the next thing is. And I don't think that's true and there's another item on our board

00:42:36 ◼   ► that is actually another, is the expansion of Animoji into other areas, but that's a

00:42:41 ◼   ► separate thing to pick. But I'm going to say, I'm going to place a bet that there will be

00:42:47 ◼   ► new Animoji characters of some sort in the next version of iOS.

00:42:52 ◼   ► It's a great demo, became a viral hit, perfect for marketing. I agree with you 100%. You've

00:42:59 ◼   ► taken one that was like basically next on my list. I 100% agree with you that we're

00:43:04 ◼   ► gonna see a new Animoji like I think that's gonna happen. Oh now I'm wondering

00:43:09 ◼   ► what I'm gonna go with next. We're saying easy pick Jason that was an easy pick

00:43:16 ◼   ► and my response is hey you got to score play to win folks got a play to win. So

00:43:21 ◼   ► I'm really struggling because I have two that I think are in this realm and I'm

00:43:26 ◼   ► not sure what to go with I'm gonna do it Animoji integration in FaceTime I'm

00:43:31 ◼   ► I'm gonna go with it. - Here we go,

00:43:32 ◼   ► as was foretold, as was just previewed by me.

00:43:36 ◼   ► Animoji FaceTime.

00:43:38 ◼   ► - So I keep my, we have this whole list of picks

00:43:40 ◼   ► that we take from and I take my own and build my own list

00:43:43 ◼   ► that only I see so I can just kind of keep things

00:43:47 ◼   ► in order for myself.

00:43:48 ◼   ► As soon as you said that about Animoji,

00:43:50 ◼   ► I think I moved four things around.

00:43:52 ◼   ► Like there was like a house of cards

00:43:54 ◼   ► of me moving everything around.

00:43:56 ◼   ► But I think that what goes along with this is,

00:43:58 ◼   ► hey, look at these new Animoji we've got,

00:44:00 ◼   ► or what I reckon might happen is FaceTime now includes Animoji.

00:44:04 ◼   ► And whilst I'm showing you this, how about these new three or four characters that we've got coming in iOS 12?

00:44:10 ◼   ► Animoji integration in FaceTime would finally give something new to FaceTime after all of these years, right?

00:44:18 ◼   ► Like, I know, right?

00:44:19 ◼   ► That now you can do something in it.

00:44:21 ◼   ► You know, there are other features you could add to FaceTime, but this one feels like something you could more easily do.

00:44:28 ◼   ► Now there are of course problems with this, like if you're doing a 20 minute Animoji call

00:44:32 ◼   ► you could probably destroy your battery, but we don't have to worry about things like that.

00:44:37 ◼   ► I think that this would be a fun feature to add, it would be a logical extension of Animoji

00:44:43 ◼   ► in a way that makes sense. I think what I would like to see is an app, an Animoji app,

00:44:48 ◼   ► so I could use them in all different manner of places, but I think the more Apple thing

00:44:53 ◼   ► to do would be to further extend an emoji into their own applications. So you get it in messages,

00:44:59 ◼   ► now you get it in FaceTime, you know, maybe you'll get it in clips next, who knows, but

00:45:03 ◼   ► this feels like a good thing that they can do that that maybe other people don't have right now,

00:45:10 ◼   ► and it lends into like the past of like the things like iChat effects, right? Like they have a history

00:45:17 ◼   ► of doing this kind of stuff, but now instead of changing the background you change what's on your

00:45:21 ◼   ► your face. I agree I think it's a I think it's a logical step. This is the iMessage

00:45:26 ◼   ► stickers of this of this. I agree and it and it helps promote FaceTime as well so

00:45:33 ◼   ► I think it's an entirely possible thing. I don't know whether it will happen or

00:45:36 ◼   ► not that's your shot in the dark part of it but I think it is completely logical

00:45:40 ◼   ► that they do that. Right but this is also a that the thing of both of these the

00:45:44 ◼   ► new Animoji and the Animoji and FaceTime these are also really good iPhone

00:45:51 ◼   ► demo things. You could hold this all the way to September, but it comes out in iOS 12.

00:46:00 ◼   ► Because this doesn't need testing. Nobody needs to test this because it's an Apple-only

00:46:05 ◼   ► thing. I think we could both say these are going to be in iOS 12, but whether we see

00:46:10 ◼   ► them next Monday or in September, who knows?

00:46:13 ◼   ► Yeah, that's possible. That's possible.

00:46:16 ◼   ► You see both of these picks go in this exact order again in September's draft. We just

00:46:22 ◼   ► copy and paste, drop them right in. Jason, pick five.

00:46:25 ◼   ► I'm going to go with, again, I think there's some risk here because they've done it the

00:46:33 ◼   ► last two years. But it's such an area of interest for Apple that I think they can't go past

00:46:42 ◼   ► the developer conference without once again flogging ARKit and giving ARKit. Did I snipe

00:46:50 ◼   ► you there? You made a pirate noise, so that probably means so. It's super important. It's

00:46:56 ◼   ► an area of extreme interest that Tim Cook says so. ARKit is one of those areas where

00:47:02 ◼   ► there is a lot of growth happening. The AR and machine learning are the two areas. I

00:47:06 ◼   ► imagine that that's out there on the... Did we put a machine learning item in our list?

00:47:09 ◼   ► 'cause that's probably another good guess.

00:47:11 ◼   ► But ARKit, yeah, we might not have done that.

00:47:14 ◼   ► They did a bunch of machine learning stuff last time.

00:47:16 ◼   ► So I think there will be updates to ARKit.

00:47:18 ◼   ► I think they will, beyond a game demo, right?

00:47:20 ◼   ► I think they will say,

00:47:22 ◼   ► "Here are some amazing new things

00:47:23 ◼   ► "that you can do with ARKit.

00:47:25 ◼   ► "We're evolving this platform even more."

00:47:29 ◼   ► It's possible that they will start talking about AR or VR

00:47:32 ◼   ► attached to the Mac with the iMac Pro,

00:47:34 ◼   ► because remember the iMac Pro only shipped in December.

00:47:37 ◼   ► So there might be even a Mac angle to it,

00:47:39 ◼   ► but I'm just thinking there will be updates to ARKit

00:47:43 ◼   ► to show that Apple is still on it

00:47:45 ◼   ► and advancing what people can do

00:47:47 ◼   ► with augmented reality stuff on their platforms.

00:47:49 ◼   ► So that's my, I think that's a pretty safe pick.

00:47:52 ◼   ► You never know with Apple,

00:47:53 ◼   ► but I feel like that's an area they're gonna hammer home.

00:47:56 ◼   ► - So even though that this has come out in round five,

00:47:59 ◼   ► I actually think ARKit might be

00:48:01 ◼   ► the most surefire of anything.

00:48:05 ◼   ► - I had to have a little pride and not pick it right away.

00:48:08 ◼   ► It is the more exciting game demo, right?

00:48:11 ◼   ► If you're gonna have a demo, at least be exciting.

00:48:14 ◼   ► And also ARKit, this is Tim Cook's baby right now.

00:48:17 ◼   ► He talks about it everywhere.

00:48:20 ◼   ► And-- - It's a shiny object, yeah.

00:48:22 ◼   ► - They've probably got some really good stuff to show off

00:48:25 ◼   ► because 1.3 to 1.5 was huge and they put that out already.

00:48:30 ◼   ► So maybe we're just gonna see ARKit 2.0

00:48:33 ◼   ► and maybe they'll show off some more stuff in VR, right?

00:48:36 ◼   ► Like we haven't really seen any VR support, right?

00:48:39 ◼   ► So maybe they could like tie these two things together.

00:48:42 ◼   ► You know, basically if Apple are working on AR glasses,

00:48:45 ◼   ► they need people to be making AR apps and experiences now

00:48:49 ◼   ► and getting good at them.

00:48:51 ◼   ► So when the AR glasses launch,

00:48:53 ◼   ► we don't have a watchOS problem again,

00:48:55 ◼   ► where, or an Apple TV problem again,

00:48:58 ◼   ► where the apps suck and just drain the market

00:49:02 ◼   ► out of that platform.

00:49:03 ◼   ► - Right, so they're building a market

00:49:04 ◼   ► for their future products by having it be better,

00:49:07 ◼   ► get better and better while it's still kind of a curiosity

00:49:09 ◼   ► on the iPhone. - Yep.

00:49:10 ◼   ► Because, and this is, they are in a unique position

00:49:13 ◼   ► where they can actually do this in the open

00:49:15 ◼   ► where typically they can't, right?

00:49:17 ◼   ► You can't have watch apps running on the iPhone

00:49:19 ◼   ► for two years, it doesn't make any sense, right?

00:49:22 ◼   ► But you can do this with ARKit because our phones,

00:49:26 ◼   ► I mean, and honestly as well, you know,

00:49:27 ◼   ► we've spoken about this, our phones will probably be

00:49:30 ◼   ► powering the device anyway in some way, you know?

00:49:34 ◼   ► that seems like a thing that could be happening,

00:49:37 ◼   ► that the ARKit may end up getting split

00:49:40 ◼   ► and there's like the processing side and the visual side

00:49:42 ◼   ► and the processing may be occurring on our phones

00:49:44 ◼   ► while we have our glasses on our faces.

00:49:47 ◼   ► And so having people know ARKit now

00:49:50 ◼   ► could be really helpful for the future of this product

00:49:53 ◼   ► and the future of this idea.

00:49:55 ◼   ► So them pushing and like them showing developers

00:49:59 ◼   ► now the opportunities available in ARKit,

00:50:02 ◼   ► like this is the crowd,

00:50:03 ◼   ► Like this is the crowd they need to get to.

00:50:05 ◼   ► You know, when you've got people like James Thompson

00:50:07 ◼   ► putting ARKit into his calculator,

00:50:10 ◼   ► you know, like that's because he liked it

00:50:12 ◼   ► and he saw it and he thought it looked fun.

00:50:14 ◼   ► But there is now a possibility that down the line,

00:50:17 ◼   ► James may make a game, like, you know,

00:50:19 ◼   ► who knows what he may do,

00:50:20 ◼   ► but he now understands how to use ARKit.

00:50:23 ◼   ► And so like, I think the idea of trying to show developers,

00:50:26 ◼   ► here are some fun ways to put ARKit in your apps.

00:50:29 ◼   ► You know, like you have Carrotweather

00:50:30 ◼   ► playing around with an ARKit mode.

00:50:32 ◼   ► So then when we move down this line

00:50:34 ◼   ► and there is a whole platform

00:50:37 ◼   ► that developers already understand how to use it

00:50:39 ◼   ► so their ideas are more fully formed

00:50:41 ◼   ► by the time the glasses come on the scene,

00:50:43 ◼   ► which is something they don't typically get to do.

00:50:46 ◼   ► We always say this, right?

00:50:47 ◼   ► Every time Apple introduces something,

00:50:49 ◼   ► we're like, "Oh, look how good this is now."

00:50:51 ◼   ► But imagine what people could do with this

00:50:54 ◼   ► in two or three years time.

00:50:55 ◼   ► I'm really excited to see what developers could do with this

00:50:59 ◼   ► in a couple of years time, right?

00:51:01 ◼   ► This is the time when they actually get to do that.

00:51:04 ◼   ► By the time the AR glasses come out,

00:51:07 ◼   ► developers have had multiple years

00:51:08 ◼   ► of playing with ARKit first.

00:51:10 ◼   ► And that is a unique thing,

00:51:11 ◼   ► which could be the success of these AR glasses.

00:51:15 ◼   ► I've been thinking about this a lot.

00:51:17 ◼   ► So I think that ARKit being on stage is,

00:51:20 ◼   ► that feels like a real strong pick to me.

00:51:22 ◼   ► - Well, thanks.

00:51:25 ◼   ► Thank you for endorsing my choice.

00:51:28 ◼   ► What do you choose?

00:51:29 ◼   ► significant overhaul of app development APIs for watchOS. Now, all right, I don't

00:51:36 ◼   ► know what this looks like, but I feel like if Apple are going to spend any

00:51:42 ◼   ► time talking about watchOS for a developer during this keynote, they have

00:51:49 ◼   ► to show something changing in watchOS that means now you'll want to make apps

00:51:55 ◼   ► apps for this again.

00:52:02 ◼   ► Watch app. There are loads of developers just pulling their Watch apps from the store, so

00:52:10 ◼   ► they even need to show 1) why those should come back or 2) why here you can finally make

00:52:16 ◼   ► that thing you've wanted to make but the WatchOS APIs haven't been robust enough. Whether that

00:52:22 ◼   ► means someone like Marco can make the WatchOS app he's always wanted or whatever it's going

00:52:28 ◼   ► to be, but I think we're going to see something to show some significant change, some like

00:52:34 ◼   ► you can now do this stuff you've never been able to do before on watchOS to hopefully

00:52:39 ◼   ► try and reinvigorate that platform a little bit because it really feels stagnant, but

00:52:45 ◼   ► stagnant on an important product.

00:52:48 ◼   ► The Apple TV App Store is not important in the grand scheme of things.

00:52:52 ◼   ► As long as we can all get our Netflix app and our Amazon Prime app and whatever, like

00:52:56 ◼   ► Does anyone really care about there being loads of games and fun apps on the Apple TV?

00:53:00 ◼   ► I don't think so

00:53:01 ◼   ► And I think that there is no like if you look at what Apple's future business is

00:53:05 ◼   ► All of their content stuff playing on the Apple TV sells the Apple TV, whatever

00:53:09 ◼   ► But the Apple watch which should continue to be an important product

00:53:13 ◼   ► It needs to have apps on it to continue to make it useful

00:53:18 ◼   ► and they I think they need to do something there to give that kind of a

00:53:22 ◼   ► shot in the arm that needs

00:53:25 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's one of those things, I was having this,

00:53:29 ◼   ► and if people know of one, please write in,

00:53:31 ◼   ► but one of the things I was doing when I was running

00:53:34 ◼   ► last year is I was doing a training app,

00:53:37 ◼   ► like a couch to 5K app, which I do,

00:53:38 ◼   ► 'cause then I stopped running and I do other stuff,

00:53:40 ◼   ► and then I'm like, oh, I should start running again,

00:53:42 ◼   ► and I wanna do this.

00:53:43 ◼   ► It's very good, 'cause every run sort of increases

00:53:46 ◼   ► in difficulty, and they're all kind of intervals

00:53:48 ◼   ► of you walk and then you run.

00:53:49 ◼   ► It tells you, now walk, now run, so you put on your phone.

00:53:52 ◼   ► Well, one of the things that I have done

00:53:54 ◼   ► the last sort of year is looked for apps that do that same thing, training apps

00:53:59 ◼   ► that run just on the watch. And I can't find one. All the watch apps I can find...

00:54:04 ◼   ► also I'll say finding a watch app that is clearly a watch app and not just

00:54:11 ◼   ► tethered to a phone is also very hard. That's part of the problem with the

00:54:15 ◼   ► watchOS apps now is even though watchOS apps are more

00:54:20 ◼   ► capable of being separated, the original conception of them was they were

00:54:24 ◼   ► completely tied to the to the phone. And so significantly overhauling the apps

00:54:29 ◼   ► and trying to push them further away from the iPhone, I feel like you know

00:54:34 ◼   ► some of that Apple's tried to do before and the developers seem to be resistant,

00:54:37 ◼   ► but part of it is that maybe the developers are frustrated with the

00:54:39 ◼   ► platform. So I hope it gets better because as an Apple Watch user and

00:54:43 ◼   ► somebody who likes my Apple Watch,

00:54:44 ◼   ► let me tell you there was nothing more frustrating than finding an app that I

00:54:47 ◼   ► I thought, keeping in mind too, that they have to have an iOS equivalent to even get

00:54:51 ◼   ► on your watch. But to have that and then be like, "Alright, I'm going to go for a run.

00:54:56 ◼   ► I'm going to do this," and have it say, "Please start this workout on your iPhone." It's like,

00:55:00 ◼   ► "No, I don't want to bring my iPhone. I have a cellular Apple watch. I want to run and

00:55:05 ◼   ► listen to music. Ideally, I'd like to listen to podcasts, stream to my AirPods, and have

00:55:10 ◼   ► it also tell me when to run and when to walk." And you know what? You can't do it. You can't,

00:55:16 ◼   ► far as I know it can't be done right now it needs to change and that means that

00:55:21 ◼   ► the apps need to be richer. You know I feel like the the LTE Apple Watch was

00:55:26 ◼   ► was debuted and we all said oh imagine what it would be like when you can just

00:55:31 ◼   ► leave your home with just your watch that has not happened like I do not feel

00:55:36 ◼   ► at all like the LTE Apple Watch is taking advantage of what it could do

00:55:42 ◼   ► you

00:56:00 ◼   ► can always be connected to the internet now. So it should be able to do basic stuff like

00:56:04 ◼   ► that and it doesn't. So for them to realize this product, there needs to be some significant

00:56:10 ◼   ► change, I think. I hope that we see that and I think that if they're going to do anything,

00:56:16 ◼   ► then that's what they'll do.

00:56:19 ◼   ► So since we're in the watch section of the draft, apparently, I'm going to pick a watch

00:56:24 ◼   ► item which is now that the series 3 watches are already out there and again this could

00:56:33 ◼   ► wait until they announce new watches but I think that the series 3 watches make this

00:56:37 ◼   ► possible now which is why I think we're going to see a watch OS and feature announcement

00:56:44 ◼   ► which is sleep tracking it adds to the medical focus of watch OS your health focus that they

00:56:52 ◼   ► have and I think the battery life on the new watches is long enough that they can actually

00:56:59 ◼   ► say we will do sleep tracking. Also, as we know and as David Smith has proved, if you

00:57:04 ◼   ► wear your watch while you're sleeping and then charge it while you take a shower, you

00:57:07 ◼   ► can do this and it's not a problem while you're getting ready in the morning. So I feel like

00:57:13 ◼   ► maybe this is the year that Apple embraces sleep as another dimension of the health features

00:57:19 ◼   ► of watchOS.

00:57:20 ◼   ► That's not what I thought you were going to say. I thought you were building up to

00:57:24 ◼   ► something else that I think I'm now going to pick.

00:57:27 ◼   ► All right, it's a run on watch items, here we go.

00:57:30 ◼   ► I wasn't expecting this to occur, but…

00:57:31 ◼   ► It's going to be like a two minute long watchOS thing where they're like, "Yeah,

00:57:35 ◼   ► watchOS is great." Anyway, moving on.

00:57:36 ◼   ► But we have like a third of the picks we're putting on this thing now. Okay, so again,

00:57:41 ◼   ► like, same idea, right? We have these more powerful watches with better battery life,

00:57:46 ◼   ► again you could make this part of the next watch but I think that the next watch is going

00:57:50 ◼   ► to be on the design of the watch, that's what they're going to show off. So I think, but

00:57:55 ◼   ► I think they will want to make sure they have people ready to take advantage of this new

00:57:58 ◼   ► feature which will be an always on OLED screen as part of watchOS, is this 5? watchOS 5 isn't

00:58:05 ◼   ► it?

00:58:06 ◼   ► >> JEAN-MICHELLE: Yeah this is, I wrestled with this one for the reasons you just outlined

00:58:10 ◼   ► which is, one of the problems with tracking Apple is that there are things they can do

00:58:15 ◼   ► in software that they reserve for hardware, right? And sometimes they reserve it for the

00:58:20 ◼   ► new hardware only. Other times they roll it out and say, "Oh yeah, and also the previous

00:58:25 ◼   ► generation will get this." And this is the challenge with the always-on OLED screen,

00:58:29 ◼   ► the idea that there will be a simplified, probably, screen on the Apple Watch that stays

00:58:37 ◼   ► on because with the OLED screen and more battery, you don't use a lot of power and then you

00:58:43 ◼   ► have something. It may not be the watch face that you prefer. It may flip to that when

00:58:48 ◼   ► you move your wrist. It may also be that they, this would be a very Apple thing to do, that

00:58:56 ◼   ► you have to choose a watch face that has support for Always On, and it's a more boring watch

00:59:05 ◼   ► face, but that's the one that they're going to use. It doesn't have a second hand that

00:59:09 ◼   ► sweeps or something like that. That's possible too. But I would love to see them do this.

00:59:13 ◼   ► I'm shocked that it's 2018 and we're talking about the Apple Watch, which was announced

00:59:17 ◼   ► in 2014, and they still aren't using that OLED screen to show you the time all the time,

00:59:24 ◼   ► but it does feel like it's inevitable. And the only question is, will they do it now?

00:59:29 ◼   ► Will they do it with a new round of hardware that's got even better battery life?

00:59:33 ◼   ► Yeah, the only reason I would say they would do this now is that there might be some work

00:59:38 ◼   ► that developers need to do for their complications and stuff, right? The way that they pull data,

00:59:42 ◼   ► the way that they display data, because you know, I'm imagining you maybe have this colourful

00:59:47 ◼   ► watch face or whatever, and then it goes into just black and white, and the second hand

00:59:52 ◼   ► disappears and stuff like that, and then when you look at it again, like the second hand

00:59:56 ◼   ► reappears and the colour comes back. That's kind of like how I imagine this thing looking,

01:00:01 ◼   ► So there probably would need to be some work there to get your complications like always

01:00:06 ◼   ► on ready, but we'll see.

01:00:10 ◼   ► All right, what are you picking for pick number seven?

01:00:13 ◼   ► Well I feel like I'm just going to segue into this pick.

01:00:15 ◼   ► I wasn't sure if I wanted to pick it for all the stated reasons.

01:00:18 ◼   ► It may be a new iPhone feature, but since you picked always on OLED screen for the watch,

01:00:22 ◼   ► I'm going to pick it for the iPhone.

01:00:24 ◼   ► I think that there is an iOS feature to be had and the question is, yes, will it be now

01:00:29 ◼   ► or will it be in the fall where they say, "You know what? If you're using the iPhone 10,

01:00:33 ◼   ► you can choose to have the screen on showing you the time and the date." And maybe things that are

01:00:43 ◼   ► kind of like complications, that's possible. And maybe either notifications or a notification

01:00:49 ◼   ► summary related to notification overhauls, see another location. But it's the same story, right?

01:00:55 ◼   ► The iPhone X has a lot of battery life and it's got an OLED screen.

01:01:00 ◼   ► You know, raise to wake is great, tap to wake is great.

01:01:04 ◼   ► You know what's even greater? Looking down at my phone on the table and seeing the time and date without having to touch it.

01:01:10 ◼   ► That's better. Let's do that. They can do that now. Why haven't they done it yet?

01:01:14 ◼   ► So, it's time. And they already have an OLED device, so they can talk about it now because the iPhone X exists and say, "Here's a great iPhone X feature."

01:01:23 ◼   ► Yes, they could also wait until the fall, but it seems like, especially if they roll

01:01:27 ◼   ► in other notification kind of items, like something that's more like a complication

01:01:33 ◼   ► or some other kind of notification reform that they might be doing, this would seem

01:01:38 ◼   ► to be a good time to roll that all together.

01:01:40 ◼   ► It feels like it would, I agree with you, would completely go together, which is why

01:01:44 ◼   ► I'm also going to make my seventh pick something that I think is tied into all of this, again,

01:01:48 ◼   ► of the stuff that I've been picking, an overhaul of Do Not Disturb.

01:01:55 ◼   ► So additional functions and features for Do Not Disturb preferences, whether this be ways

01:02:01 ◼   ► that you turn it on and off, different applications you can allow through, more automation of

01:02:07 ◼   ► it, whatever it ends up being, but a focus on Do Not Disturb is a thing.

01:02:11 ◼   ► And I do think somehow the OLED, you know, always on OLED could help lead into this,

01:02:17 ◼   ► right?

01:02:18 ◼   ► things won't light up anymore on your phone.

01:02:21 ◼   ► Right. They just change. So just collect and change.

01:02:25 ◼   ► It's less likely to bring, to like draw your peripheral vision

01:02:29 ◼   ► because it might just be a little icon when you're in Do Not Disturb

01:02:33 ◼   ► maybe the number just ticks up as opposed to showing you the entire text

01:02:37 ◼   ► of the notification or whatever.

01:02:38 ◼   ► So I think that these things could be tied together somehow but

01:02:42 ◼   ► I think if they're gonna do something to notifications, Do Not Disturb should go

01:02:46 ◼   ► along with it.

01:02:47 ◼   ► I'm gonna write a column about this,

01:02:49 ◼   ► but I'll give you the short version now,

01:02:50 ◼   ► which is it was the prom over the weekend,

01:02:54 ◼   ► which is, you know, big formal in the US.

01:02:56 ◼   ► It means something totally different in the UK,

01:02:58 ◼   ► but big formal dance for juniors and seniors in high school.

01:03:01 ◼   ► And my daughter's a junior in high school

01:03:02 ◼   ► and she went to the prom with a bunch of friends.

01:03:04 ◼   ► It was great.

01:03:05 ◼   ► And afterward they went back to a friend's house

01:03:07 ◼   ► where they had,

01:03:08 ◼   ► that was like their designated post-prom location.

01:03:10 ◼   ► The parents were there.

01:03:12 ◼   ► They, you know, they spent the night there,

01:03:13 ◼   ► but they couldn't leave the, you know,

01:03:15 ◼   ► It's basically a safe prom night kind of thing.

01:03:18 ◼   ► So, and you know, they're teenagers,

01:03:19 ◼   ► they're hanging out and having a great time

01:03:21 ◼   ► and it's prom night, it's very special.

01:03:23 ◼   ► And Jamie says she got like an hour of sleep

01:03:25 ◼   ► and she wanted to go home and sleep at 6.30 in the morning.

01:03:28 ◼   ► Well, guess what?

01:03:29 ◼   ► We have Do Not Disturb on our phones,

01:03:31 ◼   ► but we have her set in our favorites group.

01:03:33 ◼   ► So all her texts and phone calls to us

01:03:37 ◼   ► should have broken through, except guess what?

01:03:39 ◼   ► Our phones were on silent because they're always on silent

01:03:42 ◼   ► 'cause I generally don't want my phone making noise.

01:03:44 ◼   ► and my volume was down all the way.

01:03:48 ◼   ► And so I actually had, I had mute off on my iPad,

01:03:51 ◼   ► which I usually don't.

01:03:53 ◼   ► And so she finally called me and my iPad rang.

01:03:56 ◼   ► And that's how I knew that she wanted to be picked up

01:04:00 ◼   ► and we went and picked her up.

01:04:02 ◼   ► But she first was texting Lauren and calling her

01:04:06 ◼   ► and no sound was made anywhere.

01:04:08 ◼   ► And this was one of those moments where I thought, okay,

01:04:12 ◼   ► This is a problem that Apple has the situation where

01:04:15 ◼   ► some people want noises some of the time,

01:04:17 ◼   ► some people want noises none of the time.

01:04:20 ◼   ► Sometimes you wanna let noises through,

01:04:22 ◼   ► but like if I'm at the theater and my daughter texts me,

01:04:26 ◼   ► I don't want it to make noise.

01:04:27 ◼   ► But when I'm at home and it's two in the morning

01:04:29 ◼   ► and my daughter is somewhere and is like,

01:04:31 ◼   ► "I need you to pick me up right now,"

01:04:32 ◼   ► I have to get that message, right?

01:04:34 ◼   ► How do you handle all of those situations?

01:04:37 ◼   ► Right now, the best that I've come up with is

01:04:39 ◼   ► at the end of the day,

01:04:40 ◼   ► I need to turn on Do Not Disturb and turn on the sound on my iPhone in order to receive

01:04:46 ◼   ► emergency messages.

01:04:47 ◼   ► Like that's too much.

01:04:49 ◼   ► That's too much work.

01:04:50 ◼   ► Well you see how, right, this is the problem you created with the way that your notifications

01:04:54 ◼   ► are so bad, right?

01:04:56 ◼   ► Well that's true, right?

01:04:57 ◼   ► I have just turned every sound off on my phone because I just, I never, because in most cases,

01:05:03 ◼   ► also I should say, a lot of sensors here, phones should be able to tell if it's in your

01:05:07 ◼   ► pocket and it can vibrate when it's in your pocket and when it's been laying somewhere

01:05:12 ◼   ► flat and not moved at all for a period of time, it's not in your pocket, right? It's

01:05:18 ◼   ► been abandoned and maybe it needs to get your attention in a different way at that point.

01:05:23 ◼   ► Like there are things, I'm not saying it's an easy problem, but I'm saying it's a problem.

01:05:27 ◼   ► And so I would roll all that in. I'm going to heap all of that on to do not disturb overhaul

01:05:31 ◼   ► all.

01:05:38 ◼   ► to know and in these situations I don't.

01:05:40 ◼   ► Alright, so that was pick number seven. We have three more picks to go and then we're

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01:07:12 ◼   ► Round 8 now. Are you ready Jason? What have you got?

01:07:16 ◼   ► I am ready and it is time to make a Mac pick.

01:07:19 ◼   ► Hooray! Finally! Is this the first? Well there was hardware right?

01:07:24 ◼   ► Should I say Mac OS mentioned on stage?

01:07:28 ◼   ► Nobody knows! I think that was an actual thing we were debating a lot last time.

01:07:33 ◼   ► was whether they would mention the Mac at all on stage. I'm going to say HomeKit on

01:07:37 ◼   ► Mac OS. I don't know what form this will take, but if you didn't know, HomeKit, very important

01:07:43 ◼   ► to Apple, not supported on the Mac at all, not even a little, not even a tiny bit. So

01:07:48 ◼   ► I'm going to say, and I think I'm actually, this is a super risky pick because I think

01:07:51 ◼   ► they may just not care or it may just be part of something larger because there are some

01:07:55 ◼   ► thoughts that one of the things that they do this much debated strategy of making it

01:08:01 ◼   ► easier for iOS developers to develop Mac apps, which is another thing we could

01:08:04 ◼   ► pick in this draft, although the feeling is that that's probably far away. One of

01:08:08 ◼   ► the things that they would do in terms of eating their own dog food would be to

01:08:11 ◼   ► take the Home app and convert it to run on the Mac. But regardless, I don't care

01:08:16 ◼   ► whether it's Home app on Mac OS, whether there's a new Notification Center

01:08:20 ◼   ► Today widget on Mac OS that shows you your HomeKit status, whether it's Siri on

01:08:26 ◼   ► the Mac that is doing HomeKit. I don't care. What I want to do is to be able to

01:08:32 ◼   ► sit at my desk and change the lighting in my room via HomeKit without realizing

01:08:38 ◼   ► "Oh, all of my iOS devices are elsewhere in the house, so I have to leave the room,

01:08:43 ◼   ► bring back an iOS device, and then do it." That's stupid. The Mac should do HomeKit.

01:08:48 ◼   ► So I'm going to say, mostly out of my being irate that it doesn't already, I'm

01:08:53 ◼   ► I'm gonna say that Apple's finally gonna get

01:08:55 ◼   ► with the program and allow the Mac

01:08:57 ◼   ► to control HomeKit devices.

01:08:59 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean, I see why this could never happen, right?

01:09:03 ◼   ► Because it's like, well, you probably have an iOS device,

01:09:06 ◼   ► probably, and/or you should be speaking

01:09:09 ◼   ► to your iOS devices, you know?

01:09:10 ◼   ► - But this goes to a lot of the misconceptions

01:09:12 ◼   ► of how people use their computers,

01:09:14 ◼   ► and I hope that Apple is changing its tune here,

01:09:16 ◼   ► 'cause yes, it's true, we all have iOS devices, right,

01:09:20 ◼   ► more or less, many, many, most Apple used to.

01:09:22 ◼   ► sometimes think to myself, oh, let me just turn on the light and go to notification center on the Mac.

01:09:27 ◼   ► Right? So even I as an iOS first person do this. I'm just wondering if like what the strategy is

01:09:33 ◼   ► going to be. When I'm using my computer, I'm using my computer. I'm not using my iOS devices. And in

01:09:40 ◼   ► my case, I will grant you a lot of people, they're doing that and their phone is in their pocket.

01:09:44 ◼   ► I get that. But my phone is not in my pocket a lot of the time. It is charging and it's charging in

01:09:49 ◼   ► another room because I've got all of this great Apple technology that lets me

01:09:54 ◼   ► know if I get a text message or if my phone rings. It happens on my Mac, but if

01:10:00 ◼   ► I need to turn on a light or adjust to the thermostat, I can't. It just

01:10:06 ◼   ► seems dumb. It is a huge hole in the Mac where I think it would be something

01:10:12 ◼   ► that they should address. So I'm gonna wish cast a little bit and also

01:10:16 ◼   ► feel like if there's ever low-hanging fruit for a macOS update, supporting HomeKit is

01:10:20 ◼   ► it. So there it is.

01:10:22 ◼   ► Alright, so my next pick we might need to do some discussion over as to how exactly

01:10:29 ◼   ► we're going to score this or what we're going to let through. I want to pick movement of

01:10:33 ◼   ► Control Center. Now, the thing is about this, I believe Control Center's going to move,

01:10:43 ◼   ► I just don't know which device they're going to relocate it somewhere else on.

01:10:48 ◼   ► So they're either going to change the iPhone to be like the iPad or they're going to change

01:10:52 ◼   ► the iPad to be like the iPhone.

01:10:54 ◼   ► And I don't know which one they're going to do.

01:10:57 ◼   ► Or both.

01:10:58 ◼   ► Or both, right?

01:10:59 ◼   ► To a new location.

01:11:00 ◼   ► They move them both to somewhere completely different.

01:11:01 ◼   ► Turns out they're now bringing out a control center device, which is this whole extra thing.

01:11:06 ◼   ► No, do you know what I mean?

01:11:08 ◼   ► What you do?

01:11:09 ◼   ► It's like AirPods.

01:11:10 ◼   ► You tap the back of your device and it pops up.

01:11:12 ◼   ► throw it across the sky and it goes into airplane mode. I'm not sure what they're gonna do here

01:11:20 ◼   ► and I want to see if you are okay with that. It changes on one iOS device to a different

01:11:27 ◼   ► thing.

01:11:28 ◼   ► No, I like that. I think we had in our list, I put in Control Center moves on the iPhone

01:11:32 ◼   ► 10, but I think this is a perfectly good pick and I like how it's broader because you're

01:11:36 ◼   ► calling out something that we've talked about before that I think is important, which is

01:11:40 ◼   ► Apple made some changes to the UI for the iPhone 10 and for iPads last year,

01:11:44 ◼   ► and they did it differently on those devices.

01:11:46 ◼   ► So they started to diverge and it's a little bit weird.

01:11:49 ◼   ► It doesn't mean divergence isn't okay, but it's a little bit weird.

01:11:52 ◼   ► And then on top of that, I personally am still frustrated all of these months

01:11:56 ◼   ► later about where control center is on my iPhone 10, because I use,

01:12:01 ◼   ► I hold my iPhone in my left hand.

01:12:02 ◼   ► And a lot of what my iPhone interaction is, is swiping with my thumb.

01:12:06 ◼   ► And guess what?

01:12:07 ◼   ► Guess what I can't do with my thumb, Myke.

01:12:09 ◼   ► I can't bring up Control Center because my thumb is not six inches long and does not

01:12:14 ◼   ► reach the far corner of the screen. And I used to flip up Control Center all the time,

01:12:19 ◼   ► so I would love to see it move on the iPhone X, but I think I like your broader point,

01:12:24 ◼   ► which is, somebody's gonna see Control Center moved somewhere.

01:12:31 ◼   ► Pick number nine. Pick number nine, oh boy. The penultimate pick here. Oh, yes, yeah,

01:12:38 ◼   ► Let's do some more pressure, Myke. That is very helpful.

01:12:40 ◼   ► We have a lot of things. There's probably like 40 more things to pick from, from our

01:12:45 ◼   ► shared list. Because that is what we do. I think we mentioned it, but to make it clear

01:12:48 ◼   ► again, we don't... I think it's fairer this way for the draft that we agree upon a list

01:12:53 ◼   ► that we choose from and then pick them, rather than me and Jason just surprising each other

01:12:57 ◼   ► with our big ideas. I think it works better for the draft, right? That we have a list

01:13:02 ◼   ► and we pick from that list. So there's a lot left on the list.

01:13:06 ◼   ► There is a lot left on the list.

01:13:08 ◼   ► I am going to go with a pick

01:13:13 ◼   ► that I think is probably not gonna happen,

01:13:16 ◼   ► but it would be amazing if we saw it

01:13:18 ◼   ► and I'm gonna broaden it enough to make it possible

01:13:20 ◼   ► that we'll see it.

01:13:22 ◼   ► And that is development environment on iPad

01:13:26 ◼   ► at the developer conference.

01:13:29 ◼   ► Now we had this in the list as Xcode for iPad.

01:13:33 ◼   ► Yeah, that is probably a stretch.

01:13:36 ◼   ► - Yeah, you know.

01:13:37 ◼   ► - But what I'm sort of saying is,

01:13:41 ◼   ► something more than what we have now in Swift Playgrounds,

01:13:45 ◼   ► I would love a demo where they say that,

01:13:48 ◼   ► basically you could write an app in Swift on an iPad

01:13:50 ◼   ► and submit it to the App Store.

01:13:53 ◼   ► But it might not be Xcode, right?

01:13:54 ◼   ► It might, or it might be called Xcode

01:13:57 ◼   ► and not be Xcode as we know it.

01:13:58 ◼   ► - Yeah, like I imagine that you could say like,

01:14:00 ◼   ► oh, hey, that project you've been working on,

01:14:02 ◼   ► you can take it on the road on your iPad

01:14:04 ◼   ► and do this and do this and do this,

01:14:06 ◼   ► and then throw it on your Mac to submit, right?

01:14:09 ◼   ► - Right, right, that would be a possibility, right,

01:14:11 ◼   ► where it's a buddy to your Mac's Xcode,

01:14:13 ◼   ► but it's not all of Xcode, but it's enough to get you,

01:14:17 ◼   ► it's advancing the ball toward the ideal

01:14:19 ◼   ► that the iPad could be used as a development environment.

01:14:22 ◼   ► - I wanna throw something else out there, right,

01:14:24 ◼   ► as a potential thing here,

01:14:26 ◼   ► is just somehow tethering your devices

01:14:29 ◼   ► to make them run differently,

01:14:31 ◼   ► like to maybe have it run on the device.

01:14:32 ◼   ► Do you think that's the thing that we count here?

01:14:34 ◼   ► are we talking about purely like a tool for iOS

01:14:39 ◼   ► that will allow you to advance the work

01:14:42 ◼   ► that you're currently doing on your application?

01:14:43 ◼   ► Is that kind of what we're going for here?

01:14:45 ◼   ► - I think it's that.

01:14:47 ◼   ► I think it's definitely that.

01:14:48 ◼   ► - The creation of some--

01:14:49 ◼   ► - Either you're building your app on your iPad

01:14:53 ◼   ► or you're able to sort of take some of the work you're doing

01:14:56 ◼   ► but I think Swift is probably the key here.

01:14:58 ◼   ► That's when I imagine a development environment on iPad,

01:15:01 ◼   ► that's what I'm imagining

01:15:02 ◼   ► is it's a swift app development environment.

01:15:07 ◼   ► And the dream is that you could do enough theoretically,

01:15:11 ◼   ► and then everybody will complain and be like,

01:15:12 ◼   ► oh, but I can't do that because of this, because of this,

01:15:14 ◼   ► and that probably will be true.

01:15:16 ◼   ► But that at some level,

01:15:18 ◼   ► they will be able to demo app development

01:15:21 ◼   ► that involves you doing it on an iPad Pro.

01:15:23 ◼   ► - I like that.

01:15:25 ◼   ► I would like to see that just because it's a statement.

01:15:29 ◼   ► That's why I would like to see it.

01:15:30 ◼   ► Obviously I wouldn't use it,

01:15:32 ◼   ► but I would love to see it.

01:15:33 ◼   ► I think it would say a lot about iPad and iOS.

01:15:36 ◼   ► Which makes me think that I'm gonna shuffle things around

01:15:41 ◼   ► a little bit and I'm gonna throw out,

01:15:44 ◼   ► the only thing that I feel any kind of confidence

01:15:48 ◼   ► about hardware-wise, purely on gut feeling,

01:15:52 ◼   ► is new iPad Pros announced at WWDC.

01:15:56 ◼   ► - Wow.

01:15:57 ◼   ► - Yeah, I know.

01:15:58 ◼   ► I've got this one into my head.

01:16:01 ◼   ► There is no indication that this is gonna happen.

01:16:06 ◼   ► I just think it's gonna happen.

01:16:09 ◼   ► - I wanna live in your world.

01:16:11 ◼   ► I want new iPad Pros.

01:16:12 ◼   ► I totally want new iPad Pros.

01:16:13 ◼   ► I wanna live in that world.

01:16:14 ◼   ► I don't think it's gonna happen till fall,

01:16:15 ◼   ► but I want it to happen, Myke.

01:16:17 ◼   ► I'm with you there. - Honestly,

01:16:18 ◼   ► this is one of the things I'm picking just purely based upon

01:16:21 ◼   ► I wanna put that energy out into the universe, you know?

01:16:24 ◼   ► - If you win the draft because iPad Pros

01:16:26 ◼   ► are surprise announcements at WWDC,

01:16:29 ◼   ► I'm just gonna tip my cap.

01:16:30 ◼   ► That's like, great, I'm glad you won the draft.

01:16:33 ◼   ► - It's like, I'll take that off.

01:16:35 ◼   ► This is good for all of us.

01:16:36 ◼   ► Like the reason is they did it last year.

01:16:39 ◼   ► They could do it again.

01:16:40 ◼   ► They're not gonna have any significant software advancements

01:16:45 ◼   ► in my opinion in iOS 12 for the iPad.

01:16:48 ◼   ► So a way to show continued,

01:16:50 ◼   ► some kind of continued love to the iPad line

01:16:56 ◼   ► is to show off new hardware

01:16:58 ◼   ► that might not even ship for like a month

01:17:00 ◼   ► or whatever, right?

01:17:01 ◼   ► But I think, I hope really

01:17:05 ◼   ► that we're gonna get new iPad Pros.

01:17:06 ◼   ► I may have burned the pick here,

01:17:09 ◼   ► but this is just the gut feeling that I have

01:17:11 ◼   ► and I hope that it comes true.

01:17:13 ◼   ► So I'm gonna go with that for pick number nine.

01:17:16 ◼   ► - Now remember we did in a previous draft as the idea,

01:17:22 ◼   ► like I picked the Mac being mentioned on stage.

01:17:29 ◼   ► and I don't did it. I think maybe it didn't. I don't know. I'm going to do something similar here,

01:17:35 ◼   ► which is, and I think this is a risky pick, I think because at the last quarterly phone call

01:17:44 ◼   ► with analysts, Apple had very little to say about this product, but I'm just going to pick the Home

01:17:52 ◼   ► Pod will be mentioned on stage. Maybe there'll be an update. Maybe they'll talk about stereo pairing.

01:17:57 ◼   ► Maybe they'll talk about new Siri features that will work on the HomePod as well as other places,

01:18:01 ◼   ► but I'm just going to put it there on the ground. I'm going to lay it there, which is

01:18:04 ◼   ► very simple. Is the HomePod's existence acknowledged in some way?

01:18:09 ◼   ► Okay. I think you're going rogue. I don't think that was in our list,

01:18:13 ◼   ► but I'm happy to allow this. I don't think so. I don't think it was in our list.

01:18:22 ◼   ► Maybe I added it and didn't. That was not one of the ones I told you. You can veto it if you want.

01:18:26 ◼   ► No, I don't want to, because again, I think this was the same as the Mac. I think you

01:18:31 ◼   ► did this for the Mac too. I like it. I like this as a pick because it is a tantalizing

01:18:39 ◼   ► thing, right? An omission completely of the HomePod this year would say a lot.

01:18:47 ◼   ► They announced it last year at this event. How could they not mention it? If they don't

01:18:50 ◼   ► mention it, especially in a Siri context, plus it's got features that they promised

01:18:54 ◼   ► that they haven't delivered yet. Like, when would they do it other than now? And if they

01:19:00 ◼   ► don't, wow, that will be something, right? So I think they will, but yeah.

01:19:04 ◼   ► Jared: I will note as well that we are in our final round and neither of us has mentioned

01:19:09 ◼   ► the word "Siri" yet.

01:19:10 ◼   ► Tim: No, that's one of the reasons I wanted to get a Siri pic in there and I thought about

01:19:14 ◼   ► picking a slightly different Siri thing and I decided it would be a little safer. Remember

01:19:18 ◼   ► last year when we were convinced that Siri was going to be the through line of the entire

01:19:21 ◼   ► event and it totally wasn't?

01:19:23 ◼   ► Jared and Tim >> Yup.

01:19:24 ◼   ► Maybe it'll flip the other way. Maybe this year we'll totally discount their Siri stuff and then

01:19:28 ◼   ► it will all be about Siri now that they've got Siri on all these different devices.

01:19:33 ◼   ► We'll see. What's your last pick, Myke? That's the last one.

01:19:36 ◼   ► - Similar idea, right? You know, your HomePod thing is a canary in the coal mine, right? That

01:19:42 ◼   ► mention. So I'm gonna pick for my final pick, a mention of user automation improvements or workflow

01:19:50 ◼   ► on stage. Apple bought workflow over a year ago. I want to see what the point was.

01:19:58 ◼   ► - Right, wouldn't that be nice? - Why did you do this?

01:20:01 ◼   ► - I have some theories. - I have many theories.

01:20:03 ◼   ► - I have some theories. You mentioned notification overhaul. Like, one of my thoughts was,

01:20:08 ◼   ► wouldn't it be great if you could tie workflow to notifications? So when a notification is sent,

01:20:13 ◼   ► like instead of the apps having to do a URL callback or something, it's like,

01:20:16 ◼   ► when a notification is sent from this app that contains these things, do something.

01:20:20 ◼   ► or when an event is sent,

01:20:22 ◼   ► like that would be one way to do it.

01:20:23 ◼   ► Siri is another way where you could train Siri

01:20:25 ◼   ► to do things on voice

01:20:26 ◼   ► that were actually just kicking off workflows.

01:20:29 ◼   ► There are so many different ways they could do it.

01:20:31 ◼   ► They could also say,

01:20:32 ◼   ► we are a believer in a variant of Swift

01:20:36 ◼   ► as a scripting language,

01:20:37 ◼   ► and now you can use that to automate apps,

01:20:39 ◼   ► our apps and other apps can follow,

01:20:41 ◼   ► or we're gonna embrace the things the Omni group

01:20:44 ◼   ► are doing with JavaScript and we'll go that route.

01:20:47 ◼   ► There's lots of different paths this could take,

01:20:49 ◼   ► But yes, wouldn't it not be nice

01:20:52 ◼   ► if after they bought Workflow,

01:20:54 ◼   ► they said anything about it or user automation as a concept?

01:20:58 ◼   ► Wouldn't that be great?

01:20:59 ◼   ► - It'd be great.

01:21:00 ◼   ► And this might be one of those things

01:21:01 ◼   ► where we have to adjudicate together

01:21:05 ◼   ► to what counts towards this.

01:21:07 ◼   ► You know, one thing that I thought was,

01:21:09 ◼   ► what about Workflow on the Mac?

01:21:10 ◼   ► - Sure.

01:21:13 ◼   ► I think we'll know, and I'll give you that one.

01:21:15 ◼   ► Yeah, I think we'll know it when we see it.

01:21:18 ◼   ► I think it's one of those.

01:21:19 ◼   ► I think we'll know.

01:21:20 ◼   ► Boy, that would be, for me, that's the dream feature.

01:21:22 ◼   ► I think I wrote about that on Macworld last week.

01:21:25 ◼   ► In my geeky iOS dreams was

01:21:28 ◼   ► a new unified user automation story from Apple,

01:21:32 ◼   ► where they say on iOS and Mac,

01:21:34 ◼   ► here's how we're gonna do it moving forward.

01:21:36 ◼   ► And I've yet to see much evidence

01:21:39 ◼   ► that Apple cares about user automation at all.

01:21:42 ◼   ► But maybe we live in hope.

01:21:44 ◼   ► - One big thing was they bought a company that does it.

01:21:47 ◼   ► I mean, this is what I'm saying.

01:21:49 ◼   ► It's like they've not done anything.

01:21:51 ◼   ► It looked like they didn't care about it, right?

01:21:53 ◼   ► Automated, nothing's happened to it in years.

01:21:55 ◼   ► They did nothing with this on iOS.

01:21:57 ◼   ► They always made it hard for the workflow team

01:21:59 ◼   ► to get features through it seemed, right?

01:22:01 ◼   ► Including the app even originally debuting

01:22:03 ◼   ► in the first place.

01:22:04 ◼   ► It seemed like it was always a fight of app review,

01:22:06 ◼   ► understandably, because it was such a strange

01:22:09 ◼   ► and application that did things that typically seemed

01:22:12 ◼   ► like they wouldn't have been allowed.

01:22:13 ◼   ► Then they fired Salzogoyen,

01:22:16 ◼   ► but then they bought workflow.

01:22:18 ◼   ► Right, so it's like it seemed like that they had,

01:22:21 ◼   ► they were doing everything they could

01:22:22 ◼   ► to make this difficult or make it an edge case or whatever,

01:22:25 ◼   ► but then they bought the team and they didn't kill the app.

01:22:28 ◼   ► The app became an Apple app,

01:22:30 ◼   ► which they've still updated since, right?

01:22:32 ◼   ► So like that shows something.

01:22:34 ◼   ► I want to see what the point of this was.

01:22:37 ◼   ► I want to see why did you acquire

01:22:39 ◼   ► that group of incredibly talented young developers?

01:22:42 ◼   ► Why did you do this?

01:22:44 ◼   ► I want to see that.

01:22:45 ◼   ► So we'll wait and see.

01:22:48 ◼   ► So that's it, that's our 10 picks.

01:22:51 ◼   ► You can find in our show notes the scorecard

01:22:54 ◼   ► so you can score along with us.

01:22:56 ◼   ► That is the 10 picks that me and Jason have chosen each.

01:23:00 ◼   ► - But we're not done.

01:23:01 ◼   ► - We're not done.

01:23:02 ◼   ► I have a small list. - Oh no.

01:23:04 ◼   ► - I have a handful of things that I wanted to mention too

01:23:08 ◼   ► as well as I'm sure you do of things that we think

01:23:10 ◼   ► are likely but just missed out

01:23:13 ◼   ► on our official draft list.

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01:24:46 ◼   ► Alright, give me a couple, give me two things from your list of items that you think could

01:24:54 ◼   ► happen but didn't make it into your official top 10. I want two items from you, Jason.

01:25:00 ◼   ► We can do more, but just to start off, I want two.

01:25:02 ◼   ► Yeah, I've got about 10 that made my list of possible picks, but I didn't pick. So,

01:25:10 ◼   ► first two. Dark mode on iOS. Again, it goes back to that whole OLED screen discussion,

01:25:17 ◼   ► like a real valid dark mode. I would say dark mode on the Mac too could be thrown in there

01:25:22 ◼   ► they have come close but they just can't go over the edge. Like an official dark mode,

01:25:27 ◼   ► the system knows, all the apps can change their appearance based on it. And then one of those

01:25:33 ◼   ► old saws that I'm kind of just tired of bringing it out and having it be rejected, which is

01:25:37 ◼   ► improved family sharing features on photos. Presumably there'll be new app, new features

01:25:42 ◼   ► and photos. There always are. I write a book about photos to update it every summer. I imagine I'll

01:25:48 ◼   ► have to do that again. But the one that keeps coming back and that Google has tried to address

01:25:52 ◼   ► and Apple hasn't is the fact that if you've got two adults with Apple IDs and their partners,

01:25:59 ◼   ► and they want to share their photo libraries and pour into a shared photo library, you can't do it.

01:26:03 ◼   ► You can't do it. There's family sharing. It's a lower resolution version of the photo. And even

01:26:08 ◼   ► if you copy it over, you have to do it manually. It's not good enough. So I'm kind of beaten down

01:26:15 ◼   ► about that one because it should have been there years ago when they

01:26:19 ◼   ► announced families in Apple IDs and they haven't done it yet but maybe this

01:26:24 ◼   ► year. Yeah I was thinking about the dark one too and that kind of led me also down

01:26:29 ◼   ► the path of some iOS design refresh in that it feels like right now there are

01:26:35 ◼   ► multiple different, even in Apple's own apps, like styles and ways of showing

01:26:39 ◼   ► certain elements and I think maybe it's time to just unify some of that stuff a

01:26:45 ◼   ► little bit maybe yeah just just being a little bit more consistency that would

01:26:50 ◼   ► be high on my list if not for that Mark Gurman report that that was one of the

01:26:53 ◼   ► things they kicked to next year but I would I would love to see that and then

01:26:58 ◼   ► also some form of easier Mac app development for iOS developers not even

01:27:04 ◼   ► necessarily my list right this idea of like straight up you put your iOS to

01:27:09 ◼   ► iOS app on the Mac or whatever but just some kind of beginning of this you know

01:27:15 ◼   ► whether it is that, what is it called? UX kit, like what photos is made out of, you know?

01:27:20 ◼   ► Just something that seems to like, crack open that door a little bit, you know, something to kind of

01:27:26 ◼   ► bleed a little bit of life maybe into the Mac App Store through this or something which is like,

01:27:31 ◼   ► "Hey, iOS developers, we're trying to make it easier for you."

01:27:34 ◼   ► - Yeah, that would be great. And it doesn't have to be Marzipan. In fact, it could be

01:27:40 ◼   ► a step toward that, but not the whole step.

01:27:42 ◼   ► Just ways of saying, all iOS developers use Macs,

01:27:47 ◼   ► but it's hard to write Mac apps as an iOS developer.

01:27:52 ◼   ► So let's make it easier and start down that path.

01:27:55 ◼   ► It doesn't always have to go all at once.

01:27:57 ◼   ► Two others that I wanted to mention that both of what,

01:28:01 ◼   ► so refinements made to multitasking on iOS,

01:28:05 ◼   ► which again, I'm gonna kind of assume

01:28:07 ◼   ► based on the reports from Mark Gurman,

01:28:09 ◼   ► that has been kicked major iPad improvements have been kicked to 2019.

01:28:14 ◼   ► However, you could make refinements today and I'm thinking specifically of things like

01:28:20 ◼   ► better support for keyboard and changing focus between apps in split view and maybe even

01:28:27 ◼   ► using the keyboard to control split view and and slide over and things like that some things

01:28:34 ◼   ► that are not a complete overhaul but are refinements I would like it now this did not happen.

01:28:39 ◼   ► last time, right? They announced the multitasking features and they did not change them one

01:28:44 ◼   ► bit for two years. It may be that that's what we're looking at again, but I'm going to still

01:28:48 ◼   ► have a little bit of hope that they could do some little refinements to make the stuff

01:28:53 ◼   ► that they introduced last time better and that we might see those in the next iOS version.

01:29:00 ◼   ► And then my other one is something that I constantly hope for. It has not happened yet.

01:29:04 ◼   ► I feel like it would be super easy for them to do because they already have a text insertion

01:29:08 ◼   ► cursor on iOS, which is to just let you pair pointing devices with iOS devices.

01:29:14 ◼   ► And all they all they may do is move that cursor. That's fine. That's fine. If

01:29:18 ◼   ► somebody edits text on iOS, I'd love to have a trackpad for text editing. Only at

01:29:23 ◼   ► this point it would be enough for me. And I don't anticipate that happening, but if

01:29:27 ◼   ► it does happen, you know what it's going to be? It's going to be one of those 50

01:29:31 ◼   ► features that's on that slide that says there are 50 plus more features that we

01:29:36 ◼   ► didn't even talk about here. It'll be one of those, if it's anything. But they could

01:29:40 ◼   ► do it. They don't need to completely rethink iOS in order to just let you pair a Bluetooth

01:29:45 ◼   ► mouse or a dragpad and move that little iBeam cursor around.

01:29:49 ◼   ► I'd love that. I have two more Apple Watch ones.

01:29:52 ◼   ► Oh boy. I know. Third-party watch faces.

01:29:56 ◼   ► Yeah, I feel like that's never going to happen now, but it would be nice.

01:30:00 ◼   ► But to me, I try and apply the third party keyboard to this idea, right?

01:30:06 ◼   ► It seemed like that was never ever going to happen and then one year it just happened.

01:30:10 ◼   ► And I think that that could be the same, you know, we just have to wait it out.

01:30:14 ◼   ► And enough of which has surprised me that it hasn't been included yet, which is yoga

01:30:18 ◼   ► as a fitness tracking type.

01:30:22 ◼   ► Just feel like, you know, these developers in California, I figured they might have put

01:30:27 ◼   ► yoga in, like how they have swimming and all those kinds of things. That's always surprised

01:30:31 ◼   ► me. So yeah, I think that that's one that I would like to see. I have one more after

01:30:38 ◼   ► this. You can pick out any more you want.

01:30:40 ◼   ► All right. I'll give you two. You give one and then I'll empty the rest of my list. Some

01:30:46 ◼   ► alteration to the business split in the App Store, the 70/30. And it's already altered,

01:30:53 ◼   ► because if you have a subscription that goes longer than a year it turns to 75/25

01:30:58 ◼   ► I think or is it 80/20? I don't know. It's better after the first year. So the idea that they're

01:31:03 ◼   ► kind of charging you for content for customer acquisition. 85/15? Oh yeah, even better. So

01:31:08 ◼   ► there's a good one. I don't have a subscription in the App Store. But yeah, so the idea there is

01:31:12 ◼   ► you acquire them and you pay Apple and then you pay them at a lower rate. Maybe some change there.

01:31:18 ◼   ► I don't know what that would be. I don't think it's going to be a global sort of like,

01:31:22 ◼   ► it's all 80/20 now,

01:31:23 ◼   ► although it's possible they could do that.

01:31:25 ◼   ► Somebody was asking about services revenue, by the way,

01:31:27 ◼   ► my understanding is that all the App Store revenue

01:31:31 ◼   ► is Apple services revenue.

01:31:34 ◼   ► And then part of their expense in that line

01:31:36 ◼   ► is the payouts to developers.

01:31:38 ◼   ► So I think if you change the split,

01:31:40 ◼   ► it doesn't change the,

01:31:41 ◼   ► I don't think it changes the revenue

01:31:43 ◼   ► because I think the revenue is all of it.

01:31:46 ◼   ► Now, if I could be wrong, correct me if I'm wrong,

01:31:47 ◼   ► but I think that's the case,

01:31:49 ◼   ► that it's all revenue, right?

01:31:50 ◼   ► And then the 70 is expense that they pay that back out

01:31:55 ◼   ► to developers.

01:31:56 ◼   ► I think that's how that works.

01:31:57 ◼   ► - Right, 'cause they don't report services profit.

01:32:00 ◼   ► - Right, it's services revenue.

01:32:03 ◼   ► I mean, they are profitable,

01:32:04 ◼   ► and that's their margin, right?

01:32:06 ◼   ► That's a business with quite honestly,

01:32:07 ◼   ► a pretty good margin, a 30% margin,

01:32:10 ◼   ► the App Store business is.

01:32:11 ◼   ► So they're essentially bringing in all the money,

01:32:12 ◼   ► they're paying out 70% to their suppliers

01:32:15 ◼   ► and they keep 30%, that's pretty good deal.

01:32:17 ◼   ► - 'Cause I thought that that wasn't gonna happen

01:32:19 ◼   ► because of that.

01:32:20 ◼   ► But yeah, you've just kind of opened my mind up to that a little bit, which is that it's

01:32:24 ◼   ► not necessarily profit.

01:32:26 ◼   ► So you can still report the same numbers.

01:32:28 ◼   ► Maybe the changes won't be global.

01:32:29 ◼   ► Maybe they'll be in very specific areas where they're like, "We're going to change what

01:32:34 ◼   ► certain kinds of apps do."

01:32:36 ◼   ► You make a watch app and an iPad app as part of your whole universal thing, you now get

01:32:41 ◼   ► an extra 10% of the revenue.

01:32:42 ◼   ► You know, something like that as an incentivization tactic.

01:32:44 ◼   ► It could be, but just a change.

01:32:46 ◼   ► So anyway, I had that in there because I think that, again, we don't have to specify what

01:32:49 ◼   ► the changes but a change some change somewhere and I'm gonna I'm gonna say

01:32:52 ◼   ► again I had on my list and again my heart's been broken too many times I

01:32:56 ◼   ► couldn't pick it the the expansion of that free iCloud storage space figure

01:33:00 ◼   ► because it should be bigger than it is I'm not saying they get they they still

01:33:04 ◼   ► offer a 99 cent subscription 99 cents a month and that is the most in my mind

01:33:09 ◼   ► that is the most embarrassing product in Apple's product line is the 99 cents per

01:33:14 ◼   ► month iCloud storage space just make that free make that the free tier make

01:33:17 ◼   ► that the free tier. People are going to love iCloud. They're going to want to use more

01:33:20 ◼   ► iCloud space. A whole bunch of people giving you 99 cents a month so that you don't completely

01:33:26 ◼   ► degrade their experience is not worth it on any level. Make iCloud better. Expand the

01:33:32 ◼   ► free tier. It's not something for nothing because you're already giving away something

01:33:37 ◼   ► for free. Do I think it's going to happen? No, I don't. I think they're just going to

01:33:42 ◼   ► keep dragging their feet. I'm tired of getting my heart broken so I didn't pick it.

01:33:45 ◼   ► All right, the last one I want to throw out there is Siri to get new assistant focused

01:33:51 ◼   ► features. I don't really know what this looks like, but just Siri gets some features where

01:33:56 ◼   ► they're like, this makes it more like your personal assistant or your digital assistant,

01:34:01 ◼   ► right? Where like they somehow give it some features that are meant to be like, oh, hey,

01:34:05 ◼   ► and now it's a better assistant than ever before, you know?

01:34:09 ◼   ► - Yeah, no, that's making it feel a little bit more personal. It could be things like Siri, type to Siri, it could be Siri in an iMessage.

01:34:19 ◼   ► There's lots of things it could be to make it feel more assistant-y. Well, we'll see. We don't have to score that one, so that's good.

01:34:25 ◼   ► I had basically three more. Enhancements to SiriKit. Again, this is a case where I feel like I picked it so many times that I didn't want to bother picking it where it's, yeah, it's more for developers.

01:34:35 ◼   ► like let me take my podcast player and tell it to play a podcast, which you can't do now.

01:34:40 ◼   ► Let me tell a different music playing app that I want to play music.

01:34:44 ◼   ► Let me do more.

01:34:45 ◼   ► This could be how they show HomePod, right?

01:34:47 ◼   ► That they announce new Siri kit intents and that they show it off in the demo of HomePod.

01:34:52 ◼   ► Could be.

01:34:53 ◼   ► I mean, my dream last time was that they were going to show cloud services with Siri too,

01:34:56 ◼   ► because that's one of the places where they're way behind Amazon, is the ability to build

01:35:00 ◼   ► cloud apps, basically.

01:35:01 ◼   ► There are like Siri apps that you can talk to on any device because you add them via

01:35:08 ◼   ► an app store and then they're just in your Siri.

01:35:12 ◼   ► And Alexa does that now.

01:35:15 ◼   ► And Siri doesn't.

01:35:17 ◼   ► But I don't think they're going to do that either.

01:35:19 ◼   ► I put MacBook and MacBook Air updates too.

01:35:21 ◼   ► I think there is a distinct possibility that Apple will just unload a slew of apps.

01:35:31 ◼   ► minor updates to the laptop line in at once I picked the one I wasn't going to

01:35:37 ◼   ► pick any more than that one's the most relevant to this audience and the most

01:35:41 ◼   ► obvious that they could use the latest generation of Intel processors but I

01:35:44 ◼   ► think there's a chance that the whole laptop line could get revved and that

01:35:49 ◼   ► they could do it on stage so we'll see everyone likes hardware where it's

01:35:54 ◼   ► applicable or not right right right and if they've got it ready to go in there

01:35:58 ◼   ► and they're going to just churn through their laptop line that's two-thirds of

01:36:00 ◼   ► of their Mac sales, like why not do it on stage

01:36:03 ◼   ► in front of an audience of Mac developers,

01:36:06 ◼   ► or of Mac users who are iOS developers, like it's important.

01:36:10 ◼   ► My last item, and I didn't pick this

01:36:12 ◼   ► because we sort of like, you got your FaceTime pick.

01:36:14 ◼   ► I didn't want to do two FaceTime picks,

01:36:16 ◼   ► but every year we think

01:36:18 ◼   ► maybe they'll do multi-person FaceTime.

01:36:19 ◼   ► Imagine the demos if you can have like two grandchildren

01:36:23 ◼   ► in different states talking to grandma at the same time

01:36:26 ◼   ► and each other and stuff like that.

01:36:27 ◼   ► - And all of them using Animoji.

01:36:30 ◼   ► - Yeah, right?

01:36:31 ◼   ► And the technology exists to do this.

01:36:33 ◼   ► Everybody, that's, people are like,

01:36:35 ◼   ► "Oh, what about FaceTime?"

01:36:36 ◼   ► People assume FaceTime will let you talk to multiple people.

01:36:39 ◼   ► And it won't.

01:36:40 ◼   ► So--

01:36:41 ◼   ► - My only assumption with this, Jason,

01:36:42 ◼   ► is that there is just something

01:36:45 ◼   ► in the underlying foundation of FaceTime.

01:36:49 ◼   ► - That makes it too hard.

01:36:50 ◼   ► - Yeah, because why would you not have done this by now?

01:36:54 ◼   ► - I know, I don't know.

01:36:55 ◼   ► It's a real mystery to me,

01:36:57 ◼   ► because so many other services do offer this sort of thing.

01:37:01 ◼   ► And that's why I didn't pick it,

01:37:02 ◼   ► is like it's gone on so long that they haven't done it

01:37:05 ◼   ► that now I feel like I'm just a fool if I keep picking it.

01:37:09 ◼   ► Fool me once, shame on me.

01:37:11 ◼   ► Fool me five years in a row.

01:37:14 ◼   ► Or fool me once, shame on you.

01:37:15 ◼   ► Fool me five years in a row, shame on me.

01:37:17 ◼   ► I should just get the message that it's never gonna happen.

01:37:21 ◼   ► And then you know what happens, then they do it.

01:37:23 ◼   ► So maybe this year.

01:37:24 ◼   ► - You've at least said it. - We live in hope.

01:37:25 ◼   ► you've at least said it, you know, you've got that.

01:37:27 ◼   ► - Yep.

01:37:28 ◼   ► - I got that. - So that is the draft.

01:37:30 ◼   ► Of course, all of those that we've mentioned in this segment

01:37:32 ◼   ► they are non-scorable items.

01:37:34 ◼   ► It's merely for, I don't know, bragging rights, I guess.

01:37:37 ◼   ► These were the things that we thought

01:37:39 ◼   ► and they end up happening.

01:37:40 ◼   ► And also I guess to commiserate and be like,

01:37:42 ◼   ► "Oh, why did I put my new iPad Pro in there?

01:37:45 ◼   ► "We kind of just should have kept the yoga fitness type in."

01:37:48 ◼   ► You know, that's the kind of idea.

01:37:50 ◼   ► So on our next episode next week, which we will be,

01:37:54 ◼   ► We're recording as soon as we can after the keynote ends.

01:37:58 ◼   ► So you can look for that.

01:37:59 ◼   ► I mean, I'm hoping in all honesty

01:38:01 ◼   ► that we will be able to publish, upgrade,

01:38:04 ◼   ► probably before or just after the State of the Union.

01:38:07 ◼   ► It's kind of, it's my hope

01:38:09 ◼   ► that we will have the episode out as quick as we can.

01:38:11 ◼   ► - There is a tight window between the keynote

01:38:14 ◼   ► and the State of the Union,

01:38:15 ◼   ► which is a too Pacific, I wanna say,

01:38:17 ◼   ► that is the window that we're hoping to do.

01:38:19 ◼   ► I'm going to run out the doors of the keynote.

01:38:23 ◼   ► and across to the hotel and then we're going to do that episode immediately.

01:38:29 ◼   ► I think we're already we're going to like make sure lunch is already there so that we don't have to wait like

01:38:33 ◼   ► get lunch and then none of that we're just going to do it so it'll be hopefully as quickly as possible after the event is over.

01:38:41 ◼   ► So Jason will be he's going to be there and so he'll be coming from the convention center to meet me

01:38:47 ◼   ► and then we'll be recording the show and we're going to be doing two things we're going to be

01:38:51 ◼   ► scoring the draft and then we're going to be talking about some of the big themes, some

01:38:55 ◼   ► of the big ideas, what was announced, what was not announced at WWDC so you can catch

01:39:00 ◼   ► that next week so look out for that. And again I'll mention it last time in our show notes

01:39:06 ◼   ► this week which are at relay.fm/upgrades/195 you will be able to find a link to a PDF which

01:39:13 ◼   ► you can download so you can score along with us and please tweet at us with the way you

01:39:18 ◼   ► you've scored. I love to see when people are scoring, I love to see what people, I always

01:39:22 ◼   ► find it funny to see how vastly different everybody scores the drafts, that's always,

01:39:27 ◼   ► it always makes me smile to see that. So that's always a lot of fun, so we look forward to

01:39:31 ◼   ► enjoying that along with you. And if you want to find Jason online, he's over at SixColors.com.

01:39:39 ◼   ► Jason how, what are you going to be doing? You're going to be live blogging, live tweeting

01:39:42 ◼   ► the event, what's your plan?

01:39:44 ◼   ► I haven't come up with my plan yet. I will do some coverage from there. I figure everybody's

01:39:49 ◼   ► going to be watching the video, so I hope to do a little bit lighter commentary maybe

01:39:53 ◼   ► on Twitter while also taking notes and thinking and planning what I'm going to say, of course.

01:39:59 ◼   ► I am going to link to the @sixcolorsevent Twitter account, because sometimes you will

01:40:05 ◼   ► put things on there too, so if you want to follow along there you can, but of course

01:40:09 ◼   ► if you go to sixcolors.com you'll be able to see whatever Jason's doing, if he's doing

01:40:12 ◼   ► anything at that time but follow Jason on Twitter he's @JSnell and I am @imike I am

01:40:17 ◼   ► Y K E. I want to thank our sponsors one more time the wonderful folk over at Skillshare

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01:40:29 ◼   ► episode happen. We hope that you have enjoyed the third annual draft 2018 WWDC draft and

01:40:37 ◼   ► We'll be back next week in person from San Jose, California.

01:40:42 ◼   ► Until then, say goodbye, Jason Snow.

01:40:45 ◼   ► - See you next week, Myke.

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