00:00:08 ◼ ► From Relay FM, this is Upgrade, episode 211. Today's show is brought to you by Squarespace,
00:00:15 ◼ ► Pingdom, and Green Chef. Everything's back to normal now. My name is Myke Hurley. I'm joined by Jason Snow. Hi, Jason Snow.
00:00:23 ◼ ► This episode is Upgrade 211, which is a preview of what iOS will be called in 199 years.
00:00:43 ◼ ► So yeah, we are back to normal, by and large, today. There's no event, there's no draft, there's no fun summer.
00:01:03 ◼ ► Jason, do you enable secondary click on your mouse or trackpad, or are you a single button purist?
00:01:10 ◼ ► I love how listeners are... all the upgrade-ians are drilling down into the details of my opinions about input devices.
00:01:25 ◼ ► That is what... someone, somewhere, has got one of those cork boards with the registering on it,
00:01:39 ◼ ► And I'm just gonna say #snowtalk, you can just ask, "Nobody knows where Jason's dock is yet, no one's asked that one."
00:01:47 ◼ ► Oh man, they were talking about that on ATP the other week, and I was like, "Oh, I have opinions about dock placement."
00:01:55 ◼ ► Syracuse says several things on there that make me believe that Syracuse and I actually share a dock preference.
00:02:14 ◼ ► I use a Magic Trackpad, and if I want the little context menu to come up, I put down two fingers and push.
00:02:22 ◼ ► I understand how people have dock preferences and windowing preferences and even scrolling preferences.
00:02:29 ◼ ► I cannot imagine anybody that wouldn't want the secondary click. Why would you not want that?
00:02:44 ◼ ► which is if the way your hand rests on your trackpad, you get accidental two-finger presses when you only mean one,
00:02:54 ◼ ► and it's frustrating, and you're like, "No, no, no, I never want that. I'll pull down the control key when I want to right-click."
00:03:02 ◼ ► But I don't have that. For me, it's, and as somebody who has been educated in the ways of multi-touch on iPhone and iPad and all of that,
00:03:11 ◼ ► it is second nature. Not only is, you know, I'm doing two-finger scrolling, so I've already got two-finger gestures there,
00:03:17 ◼ ► I'm doing multi-finger expose kind of stuff, and two-finger click to get the context menu. It's all very natural.
00:03:25 ◼ ► In fact, I was thinking about this the other day, that it's amazing how Mac input methods have changed.
00:03:31 ◼ ► We think about the Mac as this sort of static classic thing, but Apple, with the trackpads on their laptops,
00:03:37 ◼ ► and also even for somebody who uses a desktop like me with that magic trackpad, like, Apple has inculcated all Mac users,
00:03:46 ◼ ► or at least many Mac users, in the multi-touch world just with that trackpad. And like, classic Mac OS,
00:03:55 ◼ ► and, you know, the scroll wheel was kind of like a wild idea, right? But now with the standard on the Mac for years now
00:04:05 ◼ ► has involved multiple finger movements on a trackpad. And so, it's interesting when you think about it that way.
00:04:12 ◼ ► I cannot envision, and I used a trackball for many, many, many years, which was really bad because you can't do a scroll wheel on a trackball.
00:04:20 ◼ ► Eventually they put like a ring around the ball, which was not great, but it was better than not having a scroll wheel,
00:04:26 ◼ ► and four, I think I had four buttons. It was lots of stuff. And then I converted to the trackpad,
00:04:34 ◼ ► because of course using a laptop you got used to the trackpad, and then Apple's like, "Yeah, we also made a trackpad for your desk."
00:04:39 ◼ ► And that's it. Like, multi-touch trackpad to the right of my keyboard, I cannot envision using a computer without that
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00:05:12 ◼ ► So Jason, I know that you are sometimes given the joy, the pleasure of taking a second trip up to the park to pick up some devices.
00:05:25 ◼ ► So I know that you mentioned this last time, right? So you may not have ordered any devices,
00:05:32 ◼ ► Yeah, so I'm hoping, I'm hopeful, I live in hope that I might get in the review program and get advanced units,
00:05:39 ◼ ► but I don't have any yet, or get units, you know. I think last year I got them like the day before they shipped
00:05:44 ◼ ► or the day they shipped, something like that, which is great, because I can't buy every iPhone and Apple Watch
00:05:50 ◼ ► and review them. I can't do that. And so usually because I often get review units, I tend not to rush an order,
00:05:58 ◼ ► especially if I don't have, like last year I bought an iPhone X at the time, because I hadn't bought a phone in two years,
00:06:04 ◼ ► and I wanted a new phone that is mine, separate from like buying something just to review it.
00:06:10 ◼ ► This year, first off, I didn't stay up till midnight, although I keep threatening to do a live stream.
00:06:16 ◼ ► Macworld actually did like a periscope or something of everybody on the staff waiting to order.
00:06:24 ◼ ► But the problem, the thing that holds me back is there will be a stretch of like five minutes when nobody's talking.
00:06:29 ◼ ► Yeah, I'm still thinking about it. I think it might be, I was envisioning like we would get various relay hosts
00:06:37 ◼ ► to just kind of like pop in and say hi for a little while and then go away, and then of course at midnight
00:06:42 ◼ ► all the audio will just be furious typing or maybe we'll put in some sound effects, like a little intense music
00:06:46 ◼ ► as everybody will do. It'll be like New Year's Eve live, basically. That's how I need to think about
00:06:52 ◼ ► the Apple, the live stream on the night of Apple ordering, which is, it's like waiting for the ball drop to drop in Times Square.
00:07:00 ◼ ► Anyway, I woke up the next morning and I ordered a 40 millimeter Apple Watch Series 4 GPS in silver aluminum
00:07:10 ◼ ► for my wife, who has been using a stainless Series 0. I don't want to pay the price for stainless this time.
00:07:17 ◼ ► I think she'll actually approve that it's lighter and has more prominent haptics than the stainless model does,
00:07:24 ◼ ► even though it's not quite as shiny and pretty. And she's been waiting a long time and her battery life
00:07:29 ◼ ► on her Series 0 is eroding rapidly. And for people who forget the Series 0, like, you know, it doesn't have GPS,
00:07:37 ◼ ► so it's, distance tracking is poor. It's like, it's not, we take walks and I'm closing rings and she's got nothing, right?
00:07:46 ◼ ► So it's not good. So she's getting a new watch and it won't be here for, on launch day, you know,
00:07:53 ◼ ► because I didn't bother staying up late, but it will be here at some point. So that's me.
00:07:58 ◼ ► I mean, and also something that's really, I mean, is worth remembering, I had forgotten about this
00:08:08 ◼ ► Yeah, I think that was the clincher, is that it also won't run the latest version of watchOS.
00:08:13 ◼ ► So I had that moment where I thought, oh, it's time for you to get a new watch. And then she started
00:08:18 ◼ ► complaining about the battery life too, because the battery life is getting really bad on it.
00:08:21 ◼ ► And that was the, that was the clincher. I feel like it was already clinched, but that was just the,
00:08:25 ◼ ► that was the last step there. Yeah. iOS 12 and watchOS 5 are coming out today as we record this.
00:08:31 ◼ ► We'll talk a little bit about iOS 12 later on in the episode. But like, there's a bunch of things
00:08:36 ◼ ► in watchOS 5, like the ability for third-party podcast playback and even Apple's podcast app.
00:08:46 ◼ ► would kind of want. So it does make the upgrading a little bit more imperative than it has in past
00:08:53 ◼ ► years, because it won't run the most recent version, which honestly I think is fine. Like,
00:08:57 ◼ ► five years is pretty good, I think. I think Apple did a decent job there, right? Keeping that running
00:09:04 ◼ ► for as long as they did. Especially for a new product, like the watch where the original watch
00:09:11 ◼ ► and what the watch is now, they've, it's really gone on a different path that I don't think anyone
00:09:15 ◼ ► was really expecting and like what people use these things for. So it is not necessarily as
00:09:44 ◼ ► You use Max? That's what that means? It's that you're all, you're joining us over in the Max
00:09:57 ◼ ► it's kind of gotten away from me already. So it's too late to change it to Club Max. But Max Club is
00:10:03 ◼ ► back. Well, you know, it's gonna begin for the first time. Big Phone Club. And I bought a 40
00:10:14 ◼ ► I have a question about Max Club. Or Big Phone Club, you also said. Like, I am worried that
00:10:22 ◼ ► this is gonna be an exclusive club, an exclusionary club. Are you going to, are you going to like have
00:10:28 ◼ ► a person at the door who looks at the phone and if it's a 10R, like turns them away, turns their
00:10:35 ◼ ► nose up and says, no, it's not big enough and then kicks them out? No, there will be a special area
00:10:44 ◼ ► but the 10S Max people will be up like on the mezzanine. They'll go behind the velvet rope.
00:10:48 ◼ ► Yeah, yeah. You get shown why the bigger phones are better while you're there. So you'll eventually
00:10:54 ◼ ► convert over. But yeah, I have both of these to pick up on Friday. So I'll be getting them on
00:10:57 ◼ ► Friday. So for our next episode next week, we'll be able to talk about all of these in detail.
00:11:03 ◼ ► I'm really excited about the Max. I'm very intrigued as well as being excited for a phone
00:11:09 ◼ ► of a screen the size that it has. That's going to be quite an experience. So I'm pretty excited to
00:11:15 ◼ ► check those out. We have some follow out. I mentioned it was iOS 12 review, well, it's iOS
00:11:21 ◼ ► 12 day today, which means it's iOS 12 review time as well. I would like to guide everybody over to
00:11:27 ◼ ► Federico Viticchi's review on iOS 12. It is the Max Stories review. I mean, I think at this point,
00:11:33 ◼ ► it has become, in the way that the Syracuse's reviews were expected and enjoyed and it's
00:11:39 ◼ ► become an event. Well, Federico, I think has done that. And it's because of his work. This
00:11:45 ◼ ► review is incredible. I have read it. Not only have I read it, I have once again committed my
00:11:57 ◼ ► that I created. There is a discount for Club Max Stories members. All the information will be in
00:12:02 ◼ ► the show notes for that if you want to get it, but you can go and get it. So if you don't want
00:12:06 ◼ ► to read it and you want to have it read to you, there is an audio book, which is in my voice.
00:12:12 ◼ ► It's like three and a bit hours long. There's chapter markers and all that fun stuff. So you
00:12:16 ◼ ► can go and check it out and load it into like, recommend Castro or Overcast because you can,
00:12:30 ◼ ► you know, it's kind of been made to be played in podcast apps is kind of the way that I produced
00:12:35 ◼ ► it because that's what I do. It's just, you know, it's how I know to make stuff. But Federico's
00:12:40 ◼ ► review is incredible this year. It's my favorite. His writing about shortcuts is my favorite writing
00:12:48 ◼ ► he has ever done because even more than iPad, I think workflow is intertwined with him in a way.
00:12:57 ◼ ► And again, everyone thinks about Federico with the iPad, but workflow was this whole other level and
00:13:02 ◼ ► getting to read him talk about how important this is. And when I read the conclusion for the
00:13:08 ◼ ► shortcuts chapter and the overall conclusion, I got goosebumps reading them. It's incredible.
00:13:13 ◼ ► I think of it this way. This is a person whose area of specialty is iOS. And Federico is also
00:13:30 ◼ ► Now imagine that workflow where he is the leading voice is bought by Apple and integrated as perhaps
00:13:38 ◼ ► the banner feature of a release of iOS, which is his area of specialty. Like it is, it's huge,
00:13:47 ◼ ► right? I mean, there could never be anything more Federico than this. So I'm looking forward to
00:13:53 ◼ ► reading that section. I've only read the beginning because I just downloaded the ebook as a Clubmax
00:14:00 ◼ ► Stories member. I just downloaded the ebook version this morning and I've only read the first part of
00:14:05 ◼ ► it. But it's wonderful that I really, really recommend that people read. And of course,
00:14:09 ◼ ► we'll be talking in more detail about Unconnected this week. I also wanted to mention the Max
00:14:16 ◼ ► Sparky Shortcuts Field Guide. So wonderful for Mr. David Sparks has put together a video guide on
00:14:21 ◼ ► how to get started with shortcuts. So if that's the kind of thing that you want, if you want to
00:14:26 ◼ ► see rather than just read and you want video and you want to hear the wonderful David Sparks teach
00:14:31 ◼ ► you, then that's another place to go and find out more about shortcuts. I am very enthused about
00:14:38 ◼ ► shortcuts adoption rate so far. So again, iOS 12 is not out yet when we're recording this. It will
00:14:44 ◼ ► come out probably whilst we're recording this. But their app updates are starting to come out. And
00:14:50 ◼ ► there are big companies, like not independent app developers that are putting shortcuts in their
00:14:57 ◼ ► app. And I am really excited, Jason, because it seems like the adoption that I wanted to see
00:15:02 ◼ ► is going to happen, right? Like it's going to start today but will continue because people are
00:15:08 ◼ ► going to be like, "Oh, I'm not sure if I wanted to add these." And then they see how many companies
00:15:12 ◼ ► are doing it. And then it will, I think, push more people to do it. So I'm really, really excited.
00:15:19 ◼ ► that workflow was something where, you know, a user might bug a developer or an independent
00:15:26 ◼ ► developer would see the workflow app and they'd be like, "Oh, that's interesting. Maybe I'll try it."
00:15:30 ◼ ► But it was this kind of grassroots word of mouth kind of thing. It's now a core iOS feature that
00:15:39 ◼ ► Apple is demoing on stage. And so there's this moment where, you know, I think it flips over in
00:15:46 ◼ ► the priority list of especially larger companies, as you said, who develop iOS apps to be like,
00:15:52 ◼ ► "It's no longer a 'wouldn't it be nice if we added this obscure thing that will help some users' to,
00:15:57 ◼ ► 'Oh, this is the big iOS 12 feature. We need to prioritize this in our update that takes advantage
00:16:02 ◼ ► of iOS 12.'" And once those things are in there, and Apple did use some, the method that they're
00:16:07 ◼ ► using to do the shortcut stuff is related to stuff that's already how people build their apps. So
00:16:12 ◼ ► it's not like there's a whole new thing that they need to think. They need to make modifications
00:16:18 ◼ ► that they probably have already kind of got the basics down in their apps the way that they're
00:16:23 ◼ ► structured. But they do that and they pick all of this up. And once those things are picked up,
00:16:29 ◼ ► then your system is watching as you use your apps and giving you those as options in the
00:16:34 ◼ ► shortcut settings in the settings app. So you can just say, "Oh, yeah, that's a thing I did
00:16:41 ◼ ► recently. Let's give that a shortcut in Siri." But there's also that secondary effect, which is then
00:16:45 ◼ ► they show up in the shortcuts app too. So it's like it all gets unlocked. And the fact that it's
00:16:51 ◼ ► now a banner feature in iOS 12 means that all these app developers are prioritizing it. And then
00:16:57 ◼ ► to your point, there's also the peer pressure, which is like, now you're a competitor. Now this
00:17:00 ◼ ► other big developer did it. Why didn't you do it? And that is more grist for the mill in terms of
00:17:06 ◼ ► like getting those things booted up the priority list. And before you know it, all the major apps
00:17:21 ◼ ► so this was like on Monday last week, Apple started selling the Logitech crayon to the public.
00:17:26 ◼ ► We don't know what that means, right? So no, it's on Logitech site too. You can buy it from
00:17:32 ◼ ► Logitech directly too. I bought one because I have an iPad 6th generation here. Still only
00:17:37 ◼ ► works with that one, right? So it still only works with the newest cheap iPad. That's what
00:17:44 ◼ ► it works with. The reason it works that way is that the Apple Pencil is a Bluetooth device.
00:17:48 ◼ ► So you pair it with like any Bluetooth device, you pair it with a device and then it's paired
00:17:53 ◼ ► with that device. And if you want to use it on a different iPad, you need to move to that device,
00:17:59 ◼ ► pair it with that device. And then it works with that one. The Pencil, and the story they told was,
00:18:05 ◼ ► because it's in a classroom environment especially, the Pencil doesn't work like that. The Pencil,
00:18:10 ◼ ► if you put it down on a 6th generation iPad, it will write because it's using a different wireless
00:18:15 ◼ ► frequency. It's communicating using a radio that is only in the 6th generation iPad. And it is this
00:18:22 ◼ ► cheaper thing. It doesn't have all of the features of the Pencil, but it's also cheaper than the
00:18:27 ◼ ► Pencil is. I do wonder, I know like you wonder, if why would Apple not make that same connection
00:18:38 ◼ ► capability available in the iPad Pro going forward? And we'll see if there are new iPad
00:18:45 ◼ ► Pros at some point, because we didn't get them last week, if they will also support it. And that
00:18:50 ◼ ► may be one of the reasons why Logitech's initial push was education only, but now it's been opened
00:18:56 ◼ ► up to everybody. It may be simpler than that. It may be that they're hoping that a lot of those
00:19:01 ◼ ► 6th generation iPads sell for the holidays, and that it's a nice accessory to bundle along with
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00:22:01 ◼ ► well, nearly a week has passed. - Nearly. - Feels like two weeks, but it's been about four days.
00:22:12 ◼ ► - So there's been some stuff that's come out. There's been some different things that we've
00:22:16 ◼ ► been thinking about. I wanted to just share some information that I found out about Dual Sim Support
00:22:28 ◼ ► So Dual Sim Support is coming in a future update for iOS, probably iOS 12.1, which is when they'll
00:22:38 ◼ ► ship like emoji. Who knows, maybe group FaceTime, but I'm not holding out for that anytime soon.
00:22:42 ◼ ► And to be able to use your phone with multiple carriers, it has to be an unlocked phone,
00:22:48 ◼ ► because otherwise you can only enable two lines with the same carrier. So if you buy a two mobile
00:22:55 ◼ ► phone, it's locked to two mobile, for example, or Verizon or whatever, it has to be the same carrier,
00:23:01 ◼ ► which is by and large for most people probably not that useful. So it is unlocked phones only that
00:23:09 ◼ ► get you kind of like the maximum flexibility with being able to use different carriers for your
00:23:16 ◼ ► regular SIM and your eSIM. And I believe like if you have CDMA, like that's it, like it's just
00:23:23 ◼ ► CDMA, like you're done. So there are some definite limitations to this, and it kind of continues from
00:23:33 ◼ ► there a little bit. I want to check that thing about CDMA. So yes, if a CDMA carrier provides
00:23:42 ◼ ► Oh boy, this whole story, and then there's more to it that you're going to get to, but it's all
00:23:47 ◼ ► about how phone carriers are control freaks. That's it. Because a lot of it is like, well,
00:23:52 ◼ ► but we assumed maybe it'll work like it does on the iPad. Oh no, no, no, no. Because the iPad is
00:23:58 ◼ ► a tablet. It's weird. It's an add-on device. We don't care about that. We care about your phone.
00:24:02 ◼ ► We want complete control of your phone. We want like, if you insert a SIM the wrong way,
00:24:07 ◼ ► we take control of your phone and like, we don't want, it is amazing the difference here between
00:24:17 ◼ ► carrier and it's a smartphone and not a tablet. It is amazing just how much they ruin the process.
00:24:25 ◼ ► Like it's nothing like the iPad at all. You can't select a carrier to use from the settings app like
00:24:29 ◼ ► you can on the iPad. You need to scan a QR code that is provided to you by the carrier to activate
00:24:36 ◼ ► the secondary SIM and the eSIM. It's unclear right now kind of how this would work for short-term
00:24:42 ◼ ► plans, right? So if you want to do like a traveling plan or you want to be in another country and use
00:24:46 ◼ ► a plan there, it's kind of unclear. This is going to have to be something we wait and see our carriers
00:24:50 ◼ ► deal with it when they roll out their support. Right. My hope is that, because I always buy
00:24:56 ◼ ► SIMs when I travel to Europe, my hope is that some company, whether it's the one that I use now or
00:25:07 ◼ ► some other company, will offer a similar sort of thing where you basically get a QR code in the
00:25:13 ◼ ► package and you scan it and then you're on their network for the duration and that would be nice.
00:25:19 ◼ ► Or you buy it online even better and they just send you a QR code and you scan it and now you're
00:25:26 ◼ ► on their network. That would be it. We'll see, right? But we can't take it for granted because
00:25:31 ◼ ► so much of the story is like, "Hey, all those things that we can do, you can't do them." So
00:25:35 ◼ ► we'll see if there are partners because it's like only some carriers are announced as partners in
00:25:41 ◼ ► this and what are they going to do and are they going to make it so that it's only on plans that
00:25:47 ◼ ► are not good and we're going to all end up popping our SIM trays out because I would really like
00:25:53 ◼ ► the scenario when I'm in the UK, let's say, where I'm on data and stuff on a local network for a
00:26:00 ◼ ► reasonable price and yet if somebody sends me a text or tries to call my American phone number,
00:26:09 ◼ ► I get the call. That would be great but we'll see if that's something that's going to actually be
00:26:18 ◼ ► setting screen but you can say primary SIM will be for calls and texts, secondary SIM is for data
00:26:25 ◼ ► only. So if you can get it to work, it will be that way. There is potentially one silver lining.
00:26:35 ◼ ► hanging over this whole part of the podcast just to be clear. So there is a reference to also using
00:26:41 ◼ ► carrier apps to enable the service in some instances. So there is a potential here that
00:26:47 ◼ ► you will sign up with a carrier and then they will provide a code that you can activate it with and
00:26:53 ◼ ► then that might be how you could get short-term things. So like say you were using 3, you'd go
00:26:58 ◼ ► to 3's app and you could buy a month of service and it would activate an eSIM for you and you can
00:27:03 ◼ ► also store more than one eSIM but you can only use one at a time. So you could have, you went to four
00:27:08 ◼ ► countries, you could have accounts with four companies and then use just the data that they're
00:27:14 ◼ ► providing during that time. But the thing is, it seems like Apple has provided the building blocks
00:27:20 ◼ ► but now it's up to like what will the carriers provide. But basically this is, we thought it was
00:27:26 ◼ ► going to be like the iPad system, this is literally zero like the iPad system. And it's such a shame,
00:27:31 ◼ ► I mean I get why they, again it's about control. I get why they're doing it, it's because they
00:27:36 ◼ ► want more control of the process but it's so stupid because what Apple has shown is that
00:27:40 ◼ ► we don't need little cards stuck in our phones anymore. Like it is so stupid, it is like
00:27:46 ◼ ► requiring, I mean I don't know, it's like requiring a disc to watch a movie. Like it is not necessary
00:27:55 ◼ ► anymore. It's literally a little card with some data on it. It can be done entirely virtually
00:28:02 ◼ ► and yet it's not. And that's annoying, like that's annoying. And I get that the priorities of a
00:28:11 ◼ ► carrier are not the priorities of Apple or necessarily an iPhone user. And one of the nice
00:28:16 ◼ ► things about having a physical SIM is that if you have an Apple phone and a not Apple phone, you can
00:28:23 ◼ ► move between them, which is absolutely true. But the fact that the eSIM process is so kind of
00:28:30 ◼ ► ridiculous, I want to be optimistic here and say I think this will ultimately get worked out because
00:28:35 ◼ ► we've come a long way since in the 10 years since the original iPhone 11 years. We've come a long
00:28:40 ◼ ► way in terms of carriers kind of realizing that there's certain things that they really need to
00:28:44 ◼ ► do better. And I think we will get there with the rest of this. And I think a bunch of carriers will
00:28:48 ◼ ► start to see this as a great opportunity, right? Some of the smaller carriers that haven't got the
00:28:53 ◼ ► market share will try and make this a thing that they can provide to people. Well, like T-Mobile
00:28:58 ◼ ► in the US will be an example of that. Traditionally, they have been a very aggressive carrier in terms
00:29:06 ◼ ► of like embracing new stuff like their free data plan for iPads, right? Where they want their SIM
00:29:12 ◼ ► in the iPad so that then if you want to buy more data, you'll buy it from them. And so they'll give
00:29:16 ◼ ► you some small amount of free data every month. That's the kind of thing that, yeah, the smaller
00:29:21 ◼ ► carriers are going to want to step up here. And the easier they make it, right, for the transaction,
00:29:27 ◼ ► like you don't physically need to have anything anymore. That's good for them, right? Because
00:29:33 ◼ ► then they just need to get in front of your face long enough for you to buy something. They don't
00:29:36 ◼ ► need to put it in a vending machine or send you something from Amazon or something like that.
00:29:40 ◼ ► They literally just need you to give them money and they text you a barcode. That's pretty cool.
00:29:47 ◼ ► So let's talk about the iPhones from last week because we've all had more time to think about it.
00:29:56 ◼ ► I've been reading some articles that you've posted into Six Colors. And I think one of the things
00:30:01 ◼ ► that I wanted to talk about first is price, is the price spectrum that we have across the iPhones
00:30:09 ◼ ► now. Because you pointed out quite rightly that between the XR and the XS Max, there is a $350
00:30:37 ◼ ► release, they did two new iPhones for a while and they were separated by what, $150. And then they
00:30:43 ◼ ► did three last year. And they did three again this year. But in my Six Colors piece, I used the
00:30:50 ◼ ► metaphor of boiling the frog, the idea that you keep turning the heat up and the frog doesn't
00:30:54 ◼ ► notice that it's slowly being boiled. That's kind of what's going on here because what Apple did
00:30:58 ◼ ► last year was release two iPhones at the price, slightly higher than the price of the standard
00:31:05 ◼ ► iPhone releases the last few years. The 8 and the 8 Plus were a little bit more expensive than the
00:31:09 ◼ ► 7 and the 7 Plus. And then they did the 10 way up at $999. That was like a little bit of sleight
00:31:15 ◼ ► of hand because then this year they keep the 10S at $999. They had the XS Max at $1099. They bring
00:31:21 ◼ ► them the XR in and it is the traditional like plus, it's actually a little cheaper than the
00:31:28 ◼ ► 8 Plus was last year. It's the same price as the 7 Plus was when it went on sale and the 6S Plus.
00:31:45 ◼ ► they've removed the bottom plank out of their prices of the new phones. So now if you want
00:31:52 ◼ ► to buy a new iPhone, the starting price is higher than it's ever been. But they did it in a way that
00:31:58 ◼ ► like, because imagine, Myke, imagine if last year Apple just released the iPhone X and there was no
00:32:05 ◼ ► iPhone 8 and the message was, "Welp, Apple just raised the price of the iPhone by $300." But
00:32:11 ◼ ► instead they did it in steps and it makes it a lot easier to not realize what just happened, which is
00:32:22 ◼ ► - Especially when you think that we are kind of calling or thinking of like the 10R as like
00:32:27 ◼ ► the cheaper phone in the lineup, the more budget phone in the lineup. This is the price that iPhones
00:32:32 ◼ ► used to be. - Yeah, this is the budget phone in the lineup is the cost of the big iPhone in the old
00:32:41 ◼ ► days, not the base iPhone, the Plus iPhone. So it's 150 basically over what we thought of as sort of
00:32:49 ◼ ► the iPhone entry price like a couple of years ago. - That's wild. - And that's for the one, and yet
00:32:55 ◼ ► in many articles you will see it referred to as the budget model. And it is given its features
00:33:02 ◼ ► compared to the 10, it is a budget 10 because it is way cheaper than the iPhone 10, let alone the
00:33:11 ◼ ► the XS Max or the XS and the XS Max. It's way cheaper, but it's way more expensive than a base
00:33:20 ◼ ► model iPhone. So it's basically Apple saying, if you want a brand new iPhone this year, you can get
00:33:26 ◼ ► a big model that is the cost of a Plus, or you can get these 10s that are up at 1,000 or 1,100,
00:33:36 ◼ ► but that's it. Like if you want the slot below that, you don't have a new phone this year. You
00:33:41 ◼ ► can get the eight and the eight's great, and it's cheaper than it was. So it's an even better deal.
00:33:46 ◼ ► But if you want one of those three new models, you will pay. And this is absolutely part of
00:33:52 ◼ ► Apple's strategy, which is to ratchet up the average selling price. 'Cause iPhone sales
00:33:58 ◼ ► number wise are flat, but their revenue is up. And how do they do that? The average iPhone being sold
00:34:04 ◼ ► costs more than it used to. And they raised the prices last year. And this year the new phones
00:34:09 ◼ ► are all with higher prices. So the price spread is different. And that's like, I'm not trying to,
00:34:16 ◼ ► I mean, I just, it's an observation. We can judge it for what it is, which is a brand new iPhone is
00:34:21 ◼ ► less affordable than it used to be if you want the 2018 model. Also, I think there is a fascinating
00:34:29 ◼ ► question about the phone you're buying that gets you in behind the velvet rope, right? The 10s Max
00:34:35 ◼ ► and the 10R. 'Cause the 10R is a big phone. It's not as big as the Max. It doesn't have the screen
00:34:42 ◼ ► that the Max has. It's also $350 cheaper than the Max. So I think that's interesting. Like who's
00:34:50 ◼ ► gonna get the 10R when it comes out versus the 10s Max. And my gut feeling is the people we know
00:34:56 ◼ ► who are buying phones on day one are gonna get the 10s Max because they want the latest and greatest
00:35:02 ◼ ► and the very best. But when that 10R comes out and people are shopping in Apple stores over the
00:35:08 ◼ ► holiday season, let's say, they're gonna look at the 10R and it's gonna look, I think, appealing
00:35:15 ◼ ► because it's bigger than the 10, way cheaper than the 10S, or bigger than the 10S, way cheaper than
00:35:21 ◼ ► the 10S Max. And the difference is that that floor isn't there anymore. And then there's the 8s,
00:35:29 ◼ ► which are last year's tech. And they're way cheaper. So you can get an 8 if you want. But
00:35:33 ◼ ► like if you're going to buy the new iPhone, here it is, and it's the 10R. So I think that they'll
00:35:40 ◼ ► be more casual users. The general public that is not as focused as the more techy people,
00:35:50 ◼ ► - I think the 10R is the phone for everybody that doesn't already know what iPhone they want.
00:36:02 ◼ ► you're like, I want one of these new iPhones. I want the face ID. Like I want that. But I don't
00:36:07 ◼ ► know which one. Like you haven't already made the decision. The 10R is probably, I think is the
00:36:12 ◼ ► right phone for every single one of those people because... - Unless you're deeply opposed to the
00:36:16 ◼ ► size of it, it's the best. It's such a good deal. Right? And the screen, having held one, like,
00:36:20 ◼ ► okay, first off, the colors are pretty. The screen is really good. And Apple's not wrong when they
00:36:25 ◼ ► say that it's the best LCD screen they've ever made in an iPhone. Like it's not an OLED. But
00:36:34 ◼ ► you know, it looks good. It is a good looking phone. And it's, if you want into the 10,
00:36:55 ◼ ► - This has become like a, I've seen a lot of think pieces on this over the last week or two,
00:37:02 ◼ ► that in getting rid of the SE and not having anything to replace it, and then kind of the
00:37:19 ◼ ► big or as bigger than those, right? Like all the phones are bigger now and there's kind of nothing
00:37:24 ◼ ► small. I'm seeing, and I'm sure you're seeing, a lot of people kind of, they're upset about this
00:37:30 ◼ ► and saying that Apple is leaving them behind. And I think that there is, and there's also the
00:37:35 ◼ ► argument of like, oh, I know thousands of people that want to buy this phone, right? And I kind of,
00:37:47 ◼ ► - I, so I think Apple knows a lot about the phone market, right? I think they know, they have all
00:37:58 ◼ ► their data about iPhone sales, they're watching the whole smartphone market. I think Apple knows
00:38:02 ◼ ► a lot about the trends in their own purchasing, in their own sales, and the trends in the competitor's
00:38:23 ◼ ► - Absolutely. And I, hey, nobody was a bigger champion than me for the small phone size and
00:38:28 ◼ ► the existence of an iPhone SE, remember. I kept saying, I think they're going to bring it, I think
00:38:32 ◼ ► they're going to keep it around, and they did, although now it's gone, but they did. Even though,
00:38:42 ◼ ► I think Apple knows there's a bigger market for bigger phones. No phone company has been
00:38:49 ◼ ► disappointed by making a large phone. The people, because a huge swath of the market sees bigger
00:38:56 ◼ ► as better. Oh, this has got a bigger screen, this is better. Like, and I will also put in,
00:39:02 ◼ ► I think there are two kinds of people who like small phones. The kind who legitimately can't hold
00:39:09 ◼ ► or put in a pocket a small phone, or a large phone. They need a small phone. I think there
00:39:17 ◼ ► is also a group that's just resistant, right? - I think there is definitely a group of people
00:39:23 ◼ ► who don't know the joy of having a bigger screen. - Like, I didn't love it when I went to the iPhone
00:39:31 ◼ ► 6, but in short order, I was like, oh, this is better. And then when I went to the X, which is,
00:39:37 ◼ ► again, slightly larger, I was like, yeah, it's fine. It's fine. I was skeptical about the size,
00:39:43 ◼ ► it's fine. And so I am one of those people who came along and like the X size is fine. I don't
00:39:48 ◼ ► want the XR or the XS Max because I have tried Plus phones before. That's a bridge too far for me.
00:39:54 ◼ ► So some people have a totally legit, like I literally can't use anything more than the SE.
00:40:00 ◼ ► I do think there's a group of people. I also saw somebody on my Twitter feed the other day who said,
00:40:04 ◼ ► I'm just going to stick with what I've got because I don't want to give up my physical home button.
00:40:13 ◼ ► oh brother, you're just resisting change is what you're doing there. Because the physical home
00:40:21 ◼ ► button was great and all, but I don't miss it in the least. You just have to adapt. And the fact
00:40:28 ◼ ► is a lot of people don't want to change and they are super resistant to it and they're grumpy about
00:40:33 ◼ ► it. So I'm not saying there isn't legitimate complaint about size stuff, but I am saying
00:40:46 ◼ ► Myke, on this show about how, we talked about, I think in the context of high-end Mac users,
00:40:57 ◼ ► I get that every time Apple makes a product segmentation decision that leaves people out,
00:41:07 ◼ ► You should be upset. You have bought into this and then they don't make what you want anymore.
00:41:12 ◼ ► Right? And there's this feeling too that when a business is catering to you, you feel good.
00:41:17 ◼ ► Nobody likes it when a business says, your business isn't worth it to us. Your business
00:41:23 ◼ ► is not welcome here. Nobody likes that. We just had that, to go on a little side note here,
00:41:30 ◼ ► we just had that with a payment system that Relay has used for a while to pay its hosts,
00:41:38 ◼ ► where they're pivoting. And one of the ways they're pivoting is all the ways you use our service
00:41:44 ◼ ► are not our path forward. So we're shutting it all down and you need to leave. Right? And it's like,
00:41:49 ◼ ► that sucks. It sucks to be told, thank you for your patronage, but your business is not important
00:41:53 ◼ ► to us. Then again, from the business's perspective, they need to stay in business and grow their
00:42:00 ◼ ► business. And sometimes people get left behind when they make the right business decision.
00:42:08 ◼ ► And maybe Apple will get bitten by this. Maybe it turns out there is a whole category that wants a
00:42:14 ◼ ► small phone, but I think what's happening is the SE was kept around not because it was a small phone,
00:42:19 ◼ ► but because it was cheap to make. And they will continue to try and make a cheap phone,
00:42:25 ◼ ► but the size wasn't the point of it so much as the price. And that Apple thinks there's way more
00:42:31 ◼ ► opportunity in selling larger phones to people. Now, are they over correcting for the fact that
00:42:37 ◼ ► Samsung got there first with the Galaxy Note and that, maybe, but I'll remind everybody that the
00:42:42 ◼ ► single best year Apple has ever had was the year the 6 came out, because that was when the 6 Plus
00:42:48 ◼ ► came out. And so both phones were larger than the iPhone 5S. And there was a huge either pent-up
00:42:55 ◼ ► demand from people who wanted to buy an iPhone but didn't want the small screen, or for people
00:43:01 ◼ ► who were waiting for a new iPhone and the large screen motivated them to finally upgrade their
00:43:06 ◼ ► old iPhone. But it was a huge year for Apple. And I think Apple learned at that point that
00:43:12 ◼ ► big screens talk, big screens sell. And here they are all in on big screens. They've just released
00:43:21 ◼ ► three iPhones, two of which have big screens. And if you don't like big screens, that kind of
00:43:27 ◼ ► sucks because they're not pandering to you, they're not catering to you anymore. But are they
00:43:34 ◼ ► wrong? I don't think they are. And I say that as somebody who does not want a Max or a XR. I think
00:43:41 ◼ ► the market has shown that people like big screen phones, they just do. And more people like big
00:43:48 ◼ ► screen phones than don't. Yeah. I mean, it totally sucks, right? Like if you are like, and I feel for
00:43:54 ◼ ► you and I, you know, it's a shame. But there's one thing that I wanted to mention, like it's
00:43:59 ◼ ► something that frustrates me a little bit that somehow this argument gets equated to gender,
00:44:12 ◼ ► saying that Apple doesn't care about women anymore because they don't make small phones.
00:44:16 ◼ ► And I don't think that this is accurate. I know many women who love plus and max size phones.
00:44:23 ◼ ► Like my wife, who is a tiny person, loves her iPhone 10, which is bigger than the five that
00:44:29 ◼ ► she was coming from. And she had to adapt and did. And I get that, like, there are definite issues
00:44:36 ◼ ► with like pocket sizes and stuff like that. Totally understand that. But I think that equating it
00:44:42 ◼ ► purely to gender seems wrong to me. I think it's just people. There are people who like smaller
00:44:48 ◼ ► phones of all shapes and sizes of all walks of life. I would also say that from the market
00:44:53 ◼ ► perspective, if it was true that women didn't like large phones, that would mean half the market
00:45:03 ◼ ► didn't like large phones, which would mean that the market wouldn't favor large phones and the
00:45:09 ◼ ► market favors large phones. So I think that market data would show you that there are, that lots of
00:45:17 ◼ ► people like large phones and that includes men and women. I do think it's worth pondering that,
00:45:25 ◼ ► right? Like, does this skew the phone market in general away from phones that women are
00:45:41 ◼ ► it's way more complicated than that because your wife is a tiny person with a big phone.
00:45:47 ◼ ► I think there are also arguments that like pockets on women's clothing are so non-existent or small
00:45:52 ◼ ► that women have purses. And when you've got a purse, you might as well have a large phone.
00:45:56 ◼ ► I think that was always my argument with Lauren getting the Apple Watch was at some point,
00:46:01 ◼ ► she could actually get a big phone because she doesn't have to carry her phone around anymore
00:46:06 ◼ ► if she's got a pocket for it because she gets texts on her watch. And then when she does want
00:46:11 ◼ ► to use her phone, she could have a bigger phone. So, I think that there's a lot of complexity here.
00:46:17 ◼ ► I think it's something to watch to say if there are some sort of like fundamental biases that
00:46:22 ◼ ► are creeping in. But I think you're right that this is a much more complex issue and that if it
00:46:28 ◼ ► was really true that half of the population was rejecting large phones, then we would see it in
00:46:41 ◼ ► - So, you know, and again, like who knows, may turn out that way, but just my belief is that like,
00:46:50 ◼ ► skew it one way or another. It's just people, right? People like them, people don't. And,
00:47:03 ◼ ► who really likes the small phone, and I know lots of people who do, including large men,
00:47:07 ◼ ► who I know who like the SE, right? It's not just women, it's men too. There are people who don't
00:47:15 ◼ ► like large phones. I feel for them because this is definitely the trend. And I would love it if
00:47:22 ◼ ► Apple had a product range that included a smaller phone and maybe they will. But for this year,
00:47:27 ◼ ► anyway, that is not what they did. The 10 is as small as it comes and the 10 is larger than
00:47:32 ◼ ► any standard sized iPhone they've ever made. So this is where we are. And this is a, it's a market
00:47:38 ◼ ► trend. And you know what? It maybe is fashion a little bit too. And I will tell you, money talks.
00:47:50 ◼ ► If Apple hits a little bit of an iPhone bump here, because they're looking at the data and
00:47:54 ◼ ► realizing people are buying the iPhone 8 and the iPhone 7 more than they did before, and they start
00:47:59 ◼ ► to suspect that it's because they pushed the size thing too far, they will react to that. They will,
00:48:05 ◼ ► of course, correct if it's worth it to do so. - Yeah, so if you're upset about small phones
00:48:11 ◼ ► and hoping that they're gonna bring small phones back, just pay attention to the next earnings
00:48:14 ◼ ► report. If the earnings are up, the iPhone sales are up, then I think you may have to transition
00:48:21 ◼ ► in some way. - Yeah, there's still hope. I feel like there's still hope that there will be a new
00:48:24 ◼ ► iPhone SE next year. - Maybe. - Or the year after. But I keep feeling like what it's gonna be is it's
00:48:31 ◼ ► gonna be an iPhone 7. - That's what I think. I think they will do another SE, but the SE line
00:48:36 ◼ ► will just keep swallowing up the last size. - Yeah, it'll be the last design generation.
00:48:41 ◼ ► - So the 5 will go away, right? So that iPhone 5 size and design, which was the SE, and it will
00:48:47 ◼ ► become the iPhone 6 size, right? Which is the 7 and 8, because there won't be an iPhone 9 next year,
00:48:56 ◼ ► right? That's not gonna happen. - Seems unlikely. - Right, then that design will go away,
00:49:02 ◼ ► most likely, because they'll have so many phones that they can push down that are 10-shaped and
00:49:06 ◼ ► sized and featured that I reckon they'll bring out an SE then, so it'll be the iPhone SE,
00:49:14 ◼ ► and then it will be that size. - I'll say I'd give it 50/50 that what they'll do next year is
00:49:20 ◼ ► release an iPhone 9 that's just an upgraded iPhone 8, off-cycle maybe, and that's instead of calling
00:49:26 ◼ ► it the SE, they'll just call it the 9, because it's a better number and it's right below the 10.
00:49:34 ◼ ► - But in the end, yeah, it'll be something shaped like a 678 and with the A12 processor,
00:49:41 ◼ ► and it'll be a lower price and it'll sit on the price list, yeah, for years. - For years.
00:49:48 ◼ ► I just want to touch on the Apple Watch as well a little bit. I think the biggest thing here,
00:49:53 ◼ ► the biggest story, is just about expansion of capability. This is the thing that's going on
00:50:03 ◼ ► the new complications and how much more data they're going to allow, and it really does feel
00:50:08 ◼ ► like for the daily use cases of what people are using Apple Watches for, the way that the data
00:50:14 ◼ ► is going to be displayed to you feels like it's going to be a big deal, especially when you think
00:50:18 ◼ ► as well that watchOS 5 is introducing the ability for third parties to talk to the Siri Watch face
00:50:24 ◼ ► as well, as well as all of these new complication types that are coming with Series 4. - Yeah,
00:50:30 ◼ ► and this is going to, because the new complication types are part of the new watch, you're going to
00:50:37 ◼ ► get all these watch app updates that are happening based on watchOS 5, and then we'll get a second
00:50:43 ◼ ► wave. Some of them will be out now with a first crack at it because they've really quickly done
00:50:48 ◼ ► that, but you will see more updates over the fall where those apps are going to get further support
00:50:54 ◼ ► for the new watch, not just watchOS 5, but the new complications, and then that'll, I think it's an
00:51:00 ◼ ► exciting time to be an Apple Watch user. I think there's a lot of great stuff about it, about
00:51:05 ◼ ► watchOS 5 and what it enables. It feels like watchOS 5 is the first, and part of this comes from me
00:51:11 ◼ ► being an Overcast user, but basically, like, I have to detail all of this, but watchOS 5 and the new
00:51:17 ◼ ► version of Overcast that's coming out today, I was able to do a couple of months ago the thing that I
00:51:24 ◼ ► thought I would be able to do when the Apple Watch came out, and it took all of this time,
00:51:28 ◼ ► but I'm able to do it now, which is listen to podcasts streamed from my watch to AirPods
00:51:43 ◼ ► - Totally works. It totally works. It's amazing. And watchOS 5, basically, is the stuff that enabled
00:51:48 ◼ ► apps to finally be able to do some of this more complex stuff that they're doing, and the AirPods
00:51:53 ◼ ► support is way more reliable than it used to be as well. So I think it's very exciting, and we'll
00:51:58 ◼ ► have more Apple Watch stuff to talk about as we go forward too, even though you don't have one,
00:52:05 ◼ ► - Yeah, there are two reasons that this watch is coming into the home. One, because I want to get
00:52:09 ◼ ► one for Adina, because I think she loves her watch, and I think she's due for an upgrade,
00:52:13 ◼ ► considering she's held on to the Series 0 for so long. But the other is I want to be able to
00:52:30 ◼ ► I can out of it for a couple of days, and then it's all hers. It feels like a pretty good deal
00:52:35 ◼ ► to me, I think. She seems happy about it enough anyway. Well, she's choosing the color. The gold,
00:52:41 ◼ ► we're very intrigued to see what that's going to look like, the gold aluminum, because she has a
00:52:44 ◼ ► silver one. But I was kind of pushing a bit like, "Branch out a little bit, maybe try something new."
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00:54:59 ◼ ► What are your overall opinions on iOS 12 as a release? Kind of just like very top-level stuff.
00:55:04 ◼ ► It is, and Federico's review says this, it is the most stable beta process I've ever been through
00:55:28 ◼ ► because my son is using a 5S and my daughter is using a 6S. So I'm really interested in seeing how
00:55:43 ◼ ► Yeah. I mean, I've only used it, well, I've used it on my iPhone. I've used it on both my iPads,
00:55:49 ◼ ► basically since beta 2. I haven't had any instant crashing apps. I haven't had any battery issues.
00:55:55 ◼ ► It's been super solid. I've been really pleased with it. This has been the only beta process of
00:56:00 ◼ ► all time. I kind of forgot that I was using the beta because it was just, it's been super,
00:56:03 ◼ ► super stable. So I think people were really going to love the way this makes their devices feel.
00:56:11 ◼ ► In the stability section, he bought some old devices to test it out on. And he was super
00:56:18 ◼ ► impressed and has a bunch of benchmarks and statistics in there about how this is running
00:56:28 ◼ ► not just the people who are buying the new devices at the end of the week, which it has kind of been
00:56:32 ◼ ► for the last few years. It's like, you know, this is a great version of the operating system,
00:56:37 ◼ ► especially if you have the new phone, right? And that isn't kind of the way that this one's
00:56:43 ◼ ► being positioned. It isn't the way that this one's been developed. And I think that's going to be
00:56:46 ◼ ► great for Apple. I think it's going to change some people's opinions on what iOS kind of means to
00:56:52 ◼ ► them as an upgrade rather than like, oh, it makes my phone worse. This could be starting a trend of
00:56:57 ◼ ► it makes my phone better. And this is kind of like at scale, not just if you have the new stuff.
00:57:01 ◼ ► I love the notification management stuff. I think this is one of my absolute favorites. You know,
00:57:11 ◼ ► I was thinking today, like, what do I like about iOS 12? And this was one of the last features that
00:57:15 ◼ ► I wrote down because I kind of forgotten about it because it's become so normal for me now.
00:57:21 ◼ ► Yeah, this is the problem with using a beta since June is you have to remember what you really loved
00:57:26 ◼ ► about it three months ago. Yeah. And the notification stuff is definitely part of it because
00:57:31 ◼ ► this, it feels like the way it should have always been, you know, having notifications from specific
00:57:37 ◼ ► apps grouped together and you tap them to see them so you can see more notifications kind of
00:57:43 ◼ ► at a glance to be able to have some notifications go into notification center, but not notify you
00:57:50 ◼ ► when you're using the device like that deliver quietly as it's called. It's just wonderful,
00:57:54 ◼ ► you know, being able to kind of like put slightly offending apps or less important apps in a kind of
00:58:00 ◼ ► temporary jail, right? Like I'm going to put you in the quiet section and then maybe eventually I'll
00:58:06 ◼ ► turn it off. And I have done more notification triaging over the last three months than I've
00:58:11 ◼ ► probably done in the last three years because being able to control notifications kind of from
00:58:23 ◼ ► Yeah. My favorite feature is the unsubscribe. Yeah. Where basically you can get a notification
00:58:29 ◼ ► and be like, I never want to see this again, right? Like I never want to see this news headline.
00:58:33 ◼ ► I never want to see it. And the apps have the ability to have it be a link to their notification,
00:58:38 ◼ ► granular notification settings, which is fine. I've used that too, where an app has been pushing
00:58:43 ◼ ► too much to me and I'm like, this is, this has to stop. And I can tap on that and say, no, no,
00:58:49 ◼ ► turn off these and then keep that one. And then being able to send things just to notification
00:58:53 ◼ ► center, the silent kind of notification. That's good. I do that with a few things where I've got
00:58:58 ◼ ► like my, um, my sprinklers in my backyard are on a smart sprinkler controller, which I don't know
00:59:07 ◼ ► if I've even mentioned on this show, but anyway, I have a, I have a smart irrigation controller.
00:59:11 ◼ ► I was surprised at how, uh, um, it wasn't, I expected them to cost a fortune and they didn't,
00:59:16 ◼ ► it was reasonable. And I was putting in new sprinklers and we did it. Um, those go to my
00:59:20 ◼ ► notification center so I can pull down notification center and see what's going on and see if the
00:59:26 ◼ ► sprinklers ran. Um, but they never get in my face. I have to go look for them. And I really like that.
00:59:32 ◼ ► I didn't know whether I would like that. And because they're collapsed, all I, all I see is
00:59:38 ◼ ► that here's the ratio sprinkler update stack. And if I want to know more, I tap and then I see them
00:59:44 ◼ ► all like, that's perfect. That's exactly what I want. I want that. I want to clear that out of my
00:59:49 ◼ ► face, but it's there if I want to get to it. And so, yeah, it is, it is just, um, the first few
00:59:57 ◼ ► weeks you use it, you'll be doing some triage, but it is, it's like training spam in email or
01:00:03 ◼ ► something like after you do it, you'll be delighted with the improved quality of your notifications.
01:00:14 ◼ ► Oh, that was annoying. You go unsubscribe, take me. I'd never want to see that one again. And
01:00:19 ◼ ► then they just go away. It's great. Do kind of a similar vein. Do not disturb, you know, like
01:00:24 ◼ ► there are a bunch of different changes to do not disturb like the bedtime stuff. I haven't really
01:00:29 ◼ ► gotten on board of that. What I love two things. I love that I have the quick actions in control
01:00:34 ◼ ► center, so I can just like do it for an hour or I can, you know, like press and hold a 3d touch and
01:00:40 ◼ ► it just, Oh, like just we'll jump in and I can say, Oh, until the end of this event, which is
01:00:45 ◼ ► on my calendar, like all of that stuff. I really, really like that. Um, I've been very, very happy
01:00:50 ◼ ► with the additional functions and controls that I got with, uh, with controls with do not disturb,
01:01:01 ◼ ► Yeah. I want to bring up, uh, passwords because that's something that is still, uh, going on
01:01:08 ◼ ► that, uh, I think one password is doing their official release today on this, but the idea,
01:01:13 ◼ ► first off that third party password managers are officially supported so that if you're in
01:01:20 ◼ ► Safari and you've got a password and one password, it prompts you like, I know this password and
01:01:27 ◼ ► you're like, all right. And it fills it in like, which you could do before using the system key
01:01:32 ◼ ► chain, but not if you were using one password. Um, and so now you can do that, which is great.
01:01:38 ◼ ► The suggestion auto suggestion of, of strong passwords by the system is also great. So if
01:01:43 ◼ ► you're in a press password prompt, it's like, here's a crazy long password that you could use
01:01:48 ◼ ► here and you say yes, and it saves it and that's done. So entering passwords on iOS generally has
01:01:53 ◼ ► suddenly become vastly easier than it was before for me as a one password user, especially. Um,
01:01:59 ◼ ► I, I, you know, I have some things in my system key chain, but I have so many things stored in
01:02:03 ◼ ► one password. Um, and it, and one password still has its place because there are a lot of things
01:02:07 ◼ ► that this doesn't support. Like, um, I don't have, uh, credit card codes and I have my, uh,
01:02:15 ◼ ► I have my one time password numbers in there and I have a bunch of other information auto-filling.
01:02:25 ◼ ► it's better than it was before to just use Apple system stuff, which is great. And I think for most
01:02:30 ◼ ► people that's good enough. Um, but if you are a user of an extra password manager kind of thing,
01:02:38 ◼ ► Uh, screen time is a nice addition. Like I like poking around and I've enjoyed over the beta
01:02:44 ◼ ► process kind of just going in and out and looking at that. He's been pretty Rocky over the beta
01:02:48 ◼ ► process. He keeps getting reset and stuff. So, um, really for me, it's like, I was just like
01:02:53 ◼ ► looking at it and being like, okay, I see how this works, but it's from now that I'm going to
01:02:57 ◼ ► start spending more time. Now the iOS 12 is out looking into screen time and trying to analyze
01:03:04 ◼ ► the data that goes into there. Like I'm very keen to see how I'm using my devices and see what, um,
01:03:09 ◼ ► answers to questions that I didn't ask that it could have, because I think that that's going to
01:03:14 ◼ ► be a valuable thing for me going forward. Um, but it's kind of like from now is where I'm paying the
01:03:21 ◼ ► most attention to it. Yeah, because of the, the resets during the beta process. Um, I do think
01:03:27 ◼ ► it's going to be huge. I think this is the one that I put down as the, you know, there will be
01:03:32 ◼ ► so many think pieces about our iPhone usage and our iPad usage. Once people start looking at stats,
01:03:37 ◼ ► every writer for every newspaper, website, whatever is going to. Going to pitch a think piece
01:03:44 ◼ ► about, oh, now that we know that I use this or I gave up on social media because, or all of those
01:03:50 ◼ ► things it's going to happen because we're going to get that data. And, uh, I think it's going to be a,
01:03:54 ◼ ► uh, a phenomenon. Um, I could be wrong, but I just, I feel like putting that data in the hands
01:03:59 ◼ ► of people and parents, uh, with their kids usage and all that. I think it's going to be big.
01:04:04 ◼ ► I think, I think it will be a, uh, uh, it will change how we view, how we're using iOS. Um,
01:04:10 ◼ ► maybe for the better, maybe for the worst, but I think it's going to be a big, a big thing. Oh,
01:04:14 ◼ ► by the way, Myke, this just in breaking, breaking iOS 12. As we record, this is now live. We are in
01:04:20 ◼ ► the iOS 12 era. Oh, isn't that exciting? Do we sing old Lang Syne now? The ball has dropped in
01:04:28 ◼ ► New York city. Um, podcasts app. Like I use, I use overcast, but, uh, because I'm a nerd and we
01:04:37 ◼ ► nerd tech nerds use third-party podcast apps, but Apple's podcast app is the most popular podcast
01:04:44 ◼ ► app in the world. Non iOS, not unlike Apple's platforms in the world across all platforms,
01:04:51 ◼ ► because Google has done a really crappy job of supporting podcasts and in Android up to now.
01:04:58 ◼ ► Um, this is, I judge, I judge Android on this one. Like podcasts, I think could be way more popular
01:05:05 ◼ ► if Google cared and they don't, not that there aren't great podcast apps on Android and not that
01:05:10 ◼ ► Google isn't sort of trying, but they've tried so many ways. Anyway, it's a rant. Uh, I find it
01:05:14 ◼ ► amazing that given that Apple's iPhone, uh, overall smartphone market share, that podcast is still
01:05:19 ◼ ► clearly the biggest podcast player in the world, but it is, they made a bunch of great updates
01:05:25 ◼ ► that it's worth calling out. MP3 chapter support is in there now. So if you're on iOS 12, listening
01:05:31 ◼ ► to upgrade in the podcast app, you'll be like, Oh, look, what are all of these? And it's like,
01:05:35 ◼ ► yeah, we have been putting podcast chapters in there to break our segments up for a while now
01:05:40 ◼ ► without work with artwork and everything. And you can see it now in the podcast app. So that's
01:05:45 ◼ ► exciting. If you should give it a look, if you're listening now on iOS 12 with the podcast app,
01:05:54 ◼ ► which is a feature again, that the nerdy apps have had for a while, but the podcast app has now
01:05:58 ◼ ► the watch app is there, which everybody was like, come on. I want to do podcasts on the watch and it,
01:06:05 ◼ ► including on the cellular model, it'll just stream a podcast. So, uh, that, and, and the data sync.
01:06:11 ◼ ► So that's good. Good. It's a huge step forward. It's way better than it was. And even though the
01:06:16 ◼ ► tech nerds among us may be like, well, you know, I'm using pocket cast Castro overcast, you name it.
01:06:22 ◼ ► Um, so many people are using the podcast app and they will get a better podcast experience
01:06:27 ◼ ► with this new version. So I'm excited about that. Well, obviously we're really excited about that,
01:06:32 ◼ ► right? Like obviously for good reason. And, um, the photos search is the last one I wanted to
01:06:39 ◼ ► mention, which is they didn't, they didn't actually update the photos app on the Mac almost at all,
01:06:48 ◼ ► But the big one for me is the search because, um, you can do multiple search terms now in a way you
01:06:55 ◼ ► couldn't do before. And my example, and this includes the machine learning categories. So
01:07:00 ◼ ► if you want to find something on your phone, a picture, it is so much better than it used to be.
01:07:16 ◼ ► And then I searched for snow and I got two pictures that had dog and snow. They were both
01:07:23 ◼ ► pictures of my dog in the snow. And I thought that was like perfect example. Like I want to see that
01:07:29 ◼ ► picture of when we took my dog to the snow search for dog search for snow, two pictures, both of the
01:07:35 ◼ ► same thing. It's like that is how that's supposed to work. Put in one person, put in another person's
01:07:41 ◼ ► name. There's all the pictures of them together. Put a person, you know, and a location person and
01:07:48 ◼ ► a category, find a picture of your kid with a dog. And there are all the pictures of your kid with a
01:07:54 ◼ ► dog. So iOS photo search, they did a really great job. It is really annoying that that isn't on the
01:08:00 ◼ ► Mac, but it is on iOS and it is a fantastic feature and, uh, people will find their photos
01:08:05 ◼ ► much more easily using it. I do have something I don't like about this feature is that you have to
01:08:10 ◼ ► search all the words independently for some of these stuff to show. So like you should say,
01:08:16 ◼ ► like if you type such a word dog and present and then snow and present her will find it.
01:08:21 ◼ ► But if you did snow dog, it might not find it. And I've had this problem. And I think that that's
01:08:25 ◼ ► wild because it needs to, it doesn't want you to search for a text string. There's probably some UI
01:08:32 ◼ ► things they could do better there where they could detect that those are two different keywords and
01:08:36 ◼ ► separate them. And that would be a good improvement for them, but it does, it does work kind of
01:08:41 ◼ ► amazingly well when it works. Yeah. Yeah, it does. But it's just one of those things. It's just one
01:08:47 ◼ ► of those things that happens every now and then like a new features introduced and you have to
01:08:51 ◼ ► learn the way the feature works and then it's great. Right. But like my first time using it,
01:08:57 ◼ ► I was like, well, this doesn't work at all. Like I know there was a picture of like a dinner in Rome
01:09:01 ◼ ► or like a dinner and whatever. Like I know that this exists, but I couldn't find it. It's funny.
01:09:06 ◼ ► I actually don't have any pictures of the dinner in Rome. I don't even know why I said that.
01:09:09 ◼ ► We've never been to Rome, but like I was trying, but if I would search the two words independently,
01:09:15 ◼ ► it would find the image, but it wouldn't find it on its own. And then I blame photos search being
01:09:21 ◼ ► bad. Right. That's my initial thing. It's like, well, it's bad because I know this picture exists,
01:09:26 ◼ ► but it's because I'm not searching in the way that it wants. This just in, users of the workflow app
01:09:31 ◼ ► will now find as we record this, this has just gone live. The workflow app has been updated and
01:09:38 ◼ ► is now called shortcuts. So if you were wondering how they were going to distribute it, that's how
01:09:42 ◼ ► they've done it. Cause there's a lot of question about like how that was going to, how that was
01:09:46 ◼ ► going to happen. So now we know it's, it's literally just taking the slot of the workflow app.
01:09:52 ◼ ► Yep. So now we will know. So do I have one version of shortcuts on my phone or two versions of
01:10:00 ◼ ► shortcuts on my phone? Now I have two versions of shortcuts on my phone. I'm sure that's not going
01:10:04 ◼ ► to be, uh, cause I'm in the beta. So let's try and not worry about what that means. Because you've
01:10:18 ◼ ► Should we talk about shortcuts? Yeah. I mean, shortcuts is the, is the banner feature. Uh,
01:10:26 ◼ ► and there are two versions of it, which I think there's some lack of clarity. I noticed last week
01:10:30 ◼ ► about this. So first off there is Siri shortcuts that are built into the system. You don't need to
01:10:34 ◼ ► download an app to get, and I had somebody was like, well, why isn't shortcuts the app in the,
01:10:39 ◼ ► in the OS release? And the answer is they decided, I think for some really good reasons to put it in
01:10:45 ◼ ► the app store. One is it's already in the app store, it's workflow, and now it'll be shortcuts.
01:10:49 ◼ ► But two is now that they can make changes to that and iterate faster than on the OS version,
01:10:54 ◼ ► which given app support and stuff is probably a good thing like to keep being able to tweak it
01:10:59 ◼ ► fairly rapidly as this is going on. So you add that from the app store, the main Siri shortcuts.
01:11:12 ◼ ► of touch screen devices. This is the, um, you can take anything you do practically on your iPhone
01:11:19 ◼ ► and go into settings, Siri, and say, I want to give this a Siri command to make this thing happen,
01:11:28 ◼ ► whatever it is. And you can do it and you record telling Siri what to do it. And then at that point
01:11:34 ◼ ► you can say, ahoy telephone, do this thing that only I do. And Siri will say, all right,
01:11:45 ◼ ► I think that alone is huge because it lets you set custom shortcuts for stuff you want to do,
01:11:51 ◼ ► make Siri way more useful, lets you select sort of like anything you do on your phone on a regular
01:11:56 ◼ ► basis that you want to tie to a shortcut that you can just give a voice command and, and it will do
01:12:02 ◼ ► it voice command on your watch or your home pod too. Right. Like, I think that alone is a big deal.
01:12:08 ◼ ► And then if you want to get more complicated and do multiple things at once, then you use the
01:12:14 ◼ ► shortcuts app to do it. And we've talked about how great workflow is. Um, and then there's the
01:12:20 ◼ ► shortcuts app, which is basically workflow with the entire power of Apple as a system, you know,
01:12:25 ◼ ► a platform owner behind it. So good. It's just so, so good. Some of the additional things that
01:12:31 ◼ ► you're able to do now, programming system stuff like do not disturb. It's just wonderful. So like,
01:12:39 ◼ ► I, uh, I've taken up yoga, right. And I thought to myself, I wanted to set up a little shortcut
01:12:45 ◼ ► to put in whenever I, whenever I, uh, I'm, I'm yoga in to put my phone on, do not disturb.
01:12:51 ◼ ► And because I don't wear the Apple watch, um, I wanted to log everything to the health app because
01:12:57 ◼ ► I use my yoga app on my iPad. And because of the fact that health isn't on the iPad, it can't log
01:13:02 ◼ ► my workout into the health app, but what, but shortcuts can do it. So, uh, what I do is I have
01:13:10 ◼ ► a little, uh, shortcut that I built that does a couple of things. It turns my phone on to do not
01:13:14 ◼ ► disturb for 30 minutes, cause you can take, give it a duration of time. So you say, put me on,
01:13:18 ◼ ► do not disturb for 30 minutes and log a 30 minute workout in the health app as, and you can say it's
01:13:25 ◼ ► yoga. So like you can build all of these little things. And now that the third party apps that I
01:13:36 ◼ ► So like, you know, everyone that I know that has been using this has been trying to do something
01:13:40 ◼ ► along the lines of like a morning routine, like workflow, right? So you can like in the morning,
01:13:45 ◼ ► you can press it and it will give you all the information you want and that kind of stuff. And
01:13:49 ◼ ► carrot weather got updated. So now I can have a visual shortcut of carrot weather with all of its
01:13:54 ◼ ► UI in there or an app like peak calc where James basically built a comp it's called a custom intent.
01:14:00 ◼ ► So you can basically take all of the power of your app or some of the power of your app and build it
01:14:04 ◼ ► right into, into shortcuts without shortcuts, never needing to open your application to get
01:14:09 ◼ ► the data. So James basically built a version of the peak out calculator inside of the shortcuts app.
01:14:21 ◼ ► I built a shortcut that looks, um, because a lot of the stuff that I write, you end up with, um,
01:14:30 ◼ ► distances that are in or temperatures, right? Like things that are in Fahrenheit that should also
01:14:36 ◼ ► be listed in Celsius or millimeters, but should also be inches or vice versa. And I built a, uh,
01:14:43 ◼ ► proof of concept cause I need to do more work on it, but it's a, a shortcut that basically I will
01:14:49 ◼ ► type in, in a couple of brackets, a single measure. And then you run the shortcut and it takes the
01:14:57 ◼ ► single measurement. It searches for the single measurement in the document and then plops back
01:15:03 ◼ ► out, um, a conversion that lists both measurements and that's using peak calc to do all the
01:15:11 ◼ ► conversions and rounding. And in fact, I pointed out to James that I couldn't round in peak calc.
01:15:17 ◼ ► And there was a, there was a second peak calc update that adds rounding that was released
01:15:22 ◼ ► later that day. Cause James is, he is a machine. It's amazing. So, uh, yeah, and that's just an
01:15:29 ◼ ► example. It's from my line of work where I find myself a lot of times having to do conversions of
01:15:35 ◼ ► things because I make reference. Steven and I deal with, there's a lot on, on liftoff too,
01:15:40 ◼ ► where we have to, we mentioned, Oh, this is this tall or whatever. And then, and people are like,
01:15:46 ◼ ► what is that in a real measurement Americans? And, uh, and so I built a little, I built a little
01:15:52 ◼ ► service basically within workflow that looks for some shorthand and expands it out into, um, both
01:15:58 ◼ ► sets of measurements and, uh, it's, it's awesome. Yeah. And that's just a little morning project
01:16:04 ◼ ► while I was drinking my tea. I mean, and then you've got the fact that it works in the home
01:16:08 ◼ ► pod. So like I'm testing an app right now, which I believe is going to come out soon. Um, which is a,
01:16:14 ◼ ► it's like an app for toggle to time tracking system that I use. And it's like a new interface. It's
01:16:19 ◼ ► like many, many ways better than toggles app, but they just added Siri shortcut support in the beta.
01:16:24 ◼ ► So now I'm able to set up voice actions for my timers. So for example, this morning, Jason,
01:16:31 ◼ ► I said, Oh, hi, telephone show prep upgrade. And it set a timer with the project, which is show
01:16:38 ◼ ► prep added the tag, which is upgrade, turned it on. It was going. And then when I was done,
01:16:47 ◼ ► I'm so excited. I cannot explain how excited I am. Like it, this, there is so much stuff. And like,
01:16:55 ◼ ► I've seen some things that some people are working on and it's like, I am so infused about this,
01:17:02 ◼ ► like now, like better than ever, I have a way of resuming overcast because now I don't have to
01:17:15 ◼ ► right. It says it's music. Now I just hold the side button down. I say, resume overcast
01:17:19 ◼ ► immediately. It starts playing where I was in the last show. Like I am so excited about this.
01:17:24 ◼ ► It's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's, uh, it's only going to get better as more stuff supports it too.
01:17:32 ◼ ► That's the thing I had. Um, I'm not sure if I told this story or not, but I was building a,
01:17:37 ◼ ► a complicated workflow for my charts and, uh, for my Apple financial charts on iOS. And, um,
01:17:52 ◼ ► because transmit the FTP client that I use on iOS is going away. It turns out there's a command
01:18:00 ◼ ► in workflow. So in shortcuts that is basically like issue an SSH command to a remote server,
01:18:16 ◼ ► my file. It totally works. It's amazing. So, and let alone the fact that there's now all
01:18:30 ◼ ► Federico mentioned this a bunch best timeline we are in it. It is the best timeline for this,
01:18:36 ◼ ► for this case, this is, is this. So I hope I'm very excited by this. And I hope, uh, people
01:18:41 ◼ ► out there who maybe have not experimented with this stuff, give it a try. Um, the way of thinking,
01:18:47 ◼ ► I, so David sparks, we should mention is doing a, uh, uh, uh, uh, course, basically. Yeah,
01:18:54 ◼ ► that was in follow out. Did you mention in the fall? Okay. I'm going to, I'm going to follow
01:18:59 ◼ ► back back to the out too earlier in the episode and say, um, those kinds of things are good to do.
01:19:14 ◼ ► a bunch of, uh, yeah, he's on a YouTube channel about this too. So the reason I mentioned all
01:19:20 ◼ ► of this is shortcuts app is not super easy. Like if you want to go beyond a few basic steps,
01:19:28 ◼ ► it's actually kind of like Mac automator where you start and you're like, Oh, I could do this.
01:19:31 ◼ ► And then you're like, but what about this? And you hit a brick wall and it's all possible. All
01:19:37 ◼ ► things are possible. Sometimes it takes more steps than you'd like, but all things are possible
01:19:41 ◼ ► basically inside shortcuts app. You would be surprised, but it is. You gotta, you gotta learn
01:19:47 ◼ ► it a little bit. So if you bounce off of it, but you're interested, I highly recommend looking at
01:19:52 ◼ ► Matthew Casanelli's YouTube channel or giving Sparky's, uh, course a try, because, um, once
01:20:00 ◼ ► you start thinking like I had, I had the pros, right? Like I got to ask Federico when I needed
01:20:06 ◼ ► help, which is nice. Not everybody gets to do that, but he showed me the way, right? Federico
01:20:12 ◼ ► showed me the way to think about workflow. And so, uh, there are shortcuts ways of thinking.
01:20:17 ◼ ► And once you get it, you're like, Oh no, I can do anything now. Right. And then everything kind of
01:20:21 ◼ ► opens up a child could do it. Oh my God. So, um, I just say that it's a little persistence. If, uh,
01:20:27 ◼ ► I hope people are intrigued enough by this to try the shortcuts app, to do some stuff on iOS that
01:20:32 ◼ ► they want to do in one step. Um, but you may need to read up a little bit and think about it a little
01:20:37 ◼ ► if you want to do something complicated, because it's very powerful, but sometimes I would say
01:20:41 ◼ ► non-intuitive. And again, like we'll reference it. There's also the master, right? Federico's work,
01:20:46 ◼ ► like that he has a tag on the max race website with cool shortcuts, which I've also put in the
01:20:52 ◼ ► show notes, which collects up all the coverage that they have, which references shortcuts. And
01:20:56 ◼ ► that's going to be all the articles that they've got. I know he's working on tons more stuff.
01:20:59 ◼ ► And also the, the shortcuts chapter of the review is also a really good guide and includes a lot of
01:21:08 ◼ ► examples, which was a kind of a new thing for him, which is really cool. So you can download the
01:21:12 ◼ ► examples as well from the website and what, and once you've downloaded the examples, and this is
01:21:17 ◼ ► how I've learned a lot of it is when you look at the example, you'd be like, Oh, I see how that
01:21:22 ◼ ► works. I know how, and then you have an idea, you know, like I built my favorite, um, shortcut that
01:21:27 ◼ ► I've built, um, it's called show prep. And what it does is I tell, I say, which show I'm currently
01:21:36 ◼ ► want to prep for. So say it's in, I will tap it and say, which show and I say upgrade, and then
01:21:42 ◼ ► it will start a toggle timer for upgrade and then open the, uh, upgrade Google document for me to
01:21:48 ◼ ► start working in. Right. And it's just because I had a couple of different shortcuts that I was
01:21:54 ◼ ► looking at, which had like fragments of this. And then I worked out myself to kind of like bring it
01:21:59 ◼ ► all together. So there's a bunch of super, super exciting stuff that you can do with this. And I'm,
01:22:04 ◼ ► and we're really lucky that there are a selection of people that are trying their best to teach
01:22:10 ◼ ► other people about it. Right. And looking at samples is, is the best way to learn. That's
01:22:14 ◼ ► how I learned to do scripting. It's how I learned to do automator stuff. It is by far the best way
01:22:19 ◼ ► to do it because it's open source in the best way where you can literally just see all the steps,
01:22:24 ◼ ► but you're like, Oh, I see how they did that. And then you can modify it to do what you need it to
01:22:29 ◼ ► do. It's great. Like without a doubt, shortcuts is the biggest and most important and most exciting
01:22:35 ◼ ► thing that's happening in iOS 12. And if you haven't paid attention to it, start paying
01:22:39 ◼ ► attention to it. Cause you have the ability now to make Siri as good as you want it to be. You know,
01:22:45 ◼ ► we've all complained about Siri. You can make Siri your own Siri now, right? Like that is a thing
01:22:50 ◼ ► that is happening. That is a thing that is coming. So pay attention. All right. Today's show, we're
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01:24:49 ◼ ► this week. Parvel wants to know what is this question about 720p resolution for the iPhone 10R?
01:24:59 ◼ ► How does this affect watching 1080p video on YouTube or Netflix? So in case you don't know
01:25:04 ◼ ► about this, the iPhone 10R's resolution is 1792 by 828. So it doesn't have enough pixels to watch
01:25:13 ◼ ► 1080p video content. 1080p means 1080 lines in the tall direction, not the wide direction. And the
01:25:23 ◼ ► 10R only has 828 pixels in that orientation, which means that it's better than a 720p display,
01:25:33 ◼ ► but not as good as a 1080. So it literally, you could theoretically show a 1080 video on it,
01:25:45 ◼ ► - Yeah. So, you know, when you watch stuff on YouTube and Netflix, they'll show you a 720p
01:25:50 ◼ ► version. I would expect in most instances, you're not going to notice this because of the screen
01:26:00 ◼ ► very best eyesight might see a difference, but I think you're going to be fine, honestly. But it is
01:26:05 ◼ ► something to note. And this is something we don't know yet because we haven't had the time to try
01:26:10 ◼ ► it. But like, my expectation is you're going to be fine. You'll still be able to watch videos,
01:26:15 ◼ ► but they're just not going to be at 1080p. They'll be at 720p. Screen is still going to be great,
01:26:19 ◼ ► but it's something that is new. iPhones have not done this for a while. I'm not 100% sure why this
01:26:26 ◼ ► is the case, but this is what it is, is what that panel is. David has said, "With the iPhone SE now
01:26:34 ◼ ► being dead, how much longer do you think the iPod touch of its A8 chip will stick around?"
01:26:39 ◼ ► Also, as well, just to note, like, getting rid of the iPod touch gets rid of the iPod. The iPod's
01:26:44 ◼ ► gone. It's the only iPod left. So what do you think about this? Do you think it's going to
01:26:47 ◼ ► stick around? I would love to see Apple reinvent the iPod somehow. I think that would be great to
01:26:56 ◼ ► keep that product around as an iOS device. Maybe it's like less than an iPad mini. Certainly,
01:27:12 ◼ ► I kind of don't see it. It would be great. I would love the iPod touch to get an update, but it's
01:27:19 ◼ ► hard to see it happening. And again, my guess is that what we said about small phones goes for the
01:27:26 ◼ ► iPod touch too, which is there may just not be enough sales for it to ever be updated. But it
01:27:36 ◼ ► does feel like we're perilously close to the point where the iPod touch is either going to need to be
01:27:41 ◼ ► updated or die. I feel like next year they won't support the A8 anymore. I feel like that's going
01:27:47 ◼ ► to go away. I feel like this is probably the last year of this iPod touch revision. So whatever
01:27:53 ◼ ► they're going to do, they're going to make their decision about it, I think. Tyler said, "Will the
01:27:58 ◼ ► iPhone XR support landscape mode like the Plus and Max phones do with split layouts for mail settings
01:28:05 ◼ ► calendar?" Do you know this, Jason? It seems like this is the thing that people can't answer right
01:28:09 ◼ ► now, and I wondered if you'd seen anything yet. I think it will. I don't know that for sure,
01:28:14 ◼ ► but I would assume given the size of the screen that it's going to, but I don't know for sure.
01:28:20 ◼ ► Because everything that I've seen so far seems to indicate that it is being treated like a Plus
01:28:25 ◼ ► phone. So I've seen developers talking about that, that it will be treated like a Plus phone. So
01:28:30 ◼ ► I am expecting that it will get everything like the landscape mode, but I will also tell you that
01:28:37 ◼ ► having been a Plus user for a long, long time, that landscape mode is not very useful in most
01:28:41 ◼ ► instances. I'm hoping that now that there's going to be more phones that support it, that developers
01:28:47 ◼ ► might find more interesting things to do with it, but so far that's been a bust, that feature,
01:28:52 ◼ ► really. Yeah. Joshua said, "I'm on a two to three year iPhone upgrade cycle, and currently I have a
01:28:58 ◼ ► 6S. Do you feel like the 10S represents a good bet for the future three years, or would I be better
01:29:04 ◼ ► served waiting one more year for a bigger update?" I know that the conventional wisdom here is that
01:29:16 ◼ ► I'm going to say the opposite, which is, first off, the S revision is Apple's chance to refine
01:29:22 ◼ ► the 10, so it's a little better than the 10. And the other thing is, the 10 was such a big leap
01:29:27 ◼ ► forward for Apple. I would say this is a little bit like saying, "Well, I could get the 6S,
01:29:36 ◼ ► but should I wait for the 7?" Like, the 6 changed the game, and then it was iterative 6S, 7, 8,
01:29:44 ◼ ► right? Well, the 10 changed the game. This is the new game. Apple's going to ride the 10 for a while,
01:29:50 ◼ ► so I would say I wouldn't wait. If it's time to upgrade, upgrade now. I don't think there's going
01:29:57 ◼ ► to be some mind-blowing new phone to replace the 10S next year that's a huge advancement. I feel
01:30:04 ◼ ► like Apple's going to be iterating for a while on this stuff. Yeah, they'll be an update next year,
01:30:12 ◼ ► Like, phones are going to look like the iPhone 10 for the next four years, and they're going to
01:30:16 ◼ ► get a little bit better every year. There's always going to be a better phone next year, Josh.
01:30:22 ◼ ► That will always happen. You will be coming from a 6S, your mind will be blown with the 10S.
01:30:28 ◼ ► Just go for it. Just go for it. Landon says, "It's 2018. Why does Apple still have to take their
01:30:35 ◼ ► store offline to launch new products?" I think this is a PR thing now. You know, and I think
01:30:41 ◼ ► it also helps them. People can't buy stuff and they're putting things in. I'm sure it's useful.
01:30:57 ◼ ► allowed them to just do a real quick changeover, I think they'd still put the store down.
01:31:03 ◼ ► Finally today, James says, "What do you think is happening with Face ID and landscape? Do you
01:31:08 ◼ ► think this is going to be revealed in iOS 12.1? There was nothing mentioned about this with the
01:31:13 ◼ ► new phones or iOS 12. Do you think this is going to be something that will come out when iPad's
01:31:38 ◼ ► Are they going to say, "Oh, hey, your iPad is in a keyboard, so just type your passcode instead,
01:31:44 ◼ ► and that's good enough." I have a hard time seeing it. So my hope is that it will either have two
01:31:52 ◼ ► sensor bars or will be able to work in either orientation. That's my hope. My hope is that one
01:31:59 ◼ ► of those things will be true and that it's a feature that's necessary for the iPad but is
01:32:04 ◼ ► not necessary for the iPhone, and so they didn't make that change, but they have to make it for the
01:32:09 ◼ ► iPad. I would be surprised if they announced the iPads and said, "This update will also now work on
01:32:17 ◼ ► the iPhone X and XS and XR." Not saying it's impossible, but my gut feeling is that there
01:32:26 ◼ ► will be something different about the iPad hardware that will enable this, and it's not
01:32:30 ◼ ► just a software thing. That they will design a different sensor, design a different camera,
01:32:42 ◼ ► something that they'll do in the iPad Pro that allows it to do this because they know that
01:32:47 ◼ ► people are going to be viewing this in a couple of different orientations. Not to mention holding it
01:32:51 ◼ ► in a bunch of different ways, right? Because it's a much larger device than an iPhone. So Face ID on
01:32:57 ◼ ► it I don't think is just as simple as aping the Face ID on the iPhone X series, right? I think
01:33:02 ◼ ► it's going to be more complicated and they're going to have more things that they will have had
01:33:06 ◼ ► to do to get Face ID functioning on the iPad Pro. I think it is safe to say the plot thickens.
01:33:12 ◼ ► Oh boy, when will we know? No rumors yet about when we will know what's going on with the iPad.
01:33:19 ◼ ► That hasn't happened yet, so we get to start the cycle anew because it may be, Myke, it's possible
01:33:25 ◼ ► that you will have a chance to tie me because we'll do another draft. It's possible. Don't get
01:33:30 ◼ ► my hopes up. No, no, probably not. They'll just do a press release. Yeah, I see. If you want to find
01:33:37 ◼ ► our show notes for this week's episode, there's a great place to do that. Well, first off, your
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01:34:04 ◼ ► Obviously, the next couple of weeks, a lot of our shows are focusing on iOS and the new phones and
01:34:10 ◼ ► the new watches. So it's a great time to maybe pick up a new show that maybe you haven't checked
01:34:15 ◼ ► out before. Maybe something like Mac Power Users or Automators or Under the Radar. There's a couple
01:34:21 ◼ ► of selections for you about Rocket maybe or maybe Connected. There's so many. All the great shows
01:34:26 ◼ ► I've heard are over at relay.fm except for all the great ones that are over on The Incomparable
01:34:30 ◼ ► as well. Hey, Jason. The incomparable.com for a bunch of wonderful shows about pop culture and
01:34:36 ◼ ► fun. There's lots of fun stuff over on The Incomparable like Total Party Kill, for example.
01:34:40 ◼ ► Jason is on Twitter. He's @JasonL. I would like you to follow me on Instagram. I am @imike. I am
01:34:47 ◼ ► @mike on Instagram. I'm trying to use Instagram more because I love Instagram and I want to
01:34:52 ◼ ► contribute more to Instagram. So you can find me there. There was something you may have missed.
01:34:56 ◼ ► I did a whole behind the scenes last week of what it's like to be me on an iPhone Keynote day.
01:35:02 ◼ ► And I saved that on my Instagram profile as like a highlight thing that they do. So you can save
01:35:08 ◼ ► stories as a highlight. So it started at 1 p.m. and ended at 1.30 a.m. So you can see what it's
01:35:14 ◼ ► like for Myke to prepare and record and produce and edit and post an episode of Upgrade. That's
01:35:20 ◼ ► what I did for the entire day. It was people told me that they like that. So I'm trying to get into
01:35:24 ◼ ► that a little bit more. Even Jason, I recorded myself doing the intro and put that in the story
01:35:29 ◼ ► as well. So you can see what it's like when Myke says "from" you can see what it's like. It's in
01:35:34 ◼ ► living color. Thank you so much to our sponsors this week, the fine folk at Squarespace, Pingdom
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