00:00:08 ◼ ► From Relay FM, this is episode 213 of Upgrade. My name is Myke Hurley, I'm joined by Jason Snell.
00:00:48 ◼ ► Did you know that every number has a Wikipedia page? This would be great for your podcast you
00:00:53 ◼ ► do with Stephen Hackett, "Ungenius" where you look at Wikipedia pages. I want to read to you
00:00:57 ◼ ► the Wikipedia page for the number 213. 213 is the number following 212 and preceding 214.
00:01:23 ◼ ► This is an easy one. No, I don't. I don't. I read some newspapers through their apps and I read
00:01:36 ◼ ► things on the internet that are on web pages, but I don't have any print magazine subscriptions
00:01:42 ◼ ► or digital magazine subscriptions and I don't read anything that is in that format. So nope.
00:01:50 ◼ ► I got Entertainment Weekly for a long time and then I switched over to a digital sub of that
00:01:55 ◼ ► and I stopped reading that. You can tell when you're done with a magazine when your subscription
00:01:59 ◼ ► lapses and you don't notice. That's a telling sign. So no, I don't read magazines anymore.
00:02:07 ◼ ► Would you say that you have primarily transitioned to related web pages for that content? It's not
00:02:17 ◼ ► Oh sure. And I was never a heavy magazine. People will be shocked to know as somebody who worked in
00:02:22 ◼ ► a magazine, I was never a heavy magazine reader. I never really believed in the future of magazines.
00:02:27 ◼ ► I mean, I used to read Sports Illustrated and then I canceled that at one point. And then I
00:02:38 ◼ ► or anything like that. That was never the case. And then you're on the internet and there's stuff
00:02:43 ◼ ► on the internet. And so you read that stuff instead. And like everybody else, I was, you know,
00:02:47 ◼ ► I feel like our audience, we were probably ahead of the curve there where we realized that we could
00:02:52 ◼ ► read that stuff in other forms instead. If you would like to send in a question to open up the
00:02:58 ◼ ► show, just send in a tweet with the hashtag Snail Talk. It can be about literally anything that you
00:03:03 ◼ ► would like to hear Jason's opinion on as we have covered many, many topics and areas on Snail Talk.
00:03:09 ◼ ► Thank you to Mark for today's submission. Jason, I believe that there is some Snail Watch follow-up.
00:03:16 ◼ ► Well, so guess what? It is the endless tale, the age-old tale of pre-ordering something and being
00:03:27 ◼ ► put in the waiting list. And we talked about this, that the Apple has two separate chains,
00:03:39 ◼ ► piles of products. There's a pile of product that you order on their website. And there's the pile
00:03:44 ◼ ► of product that goes to stores because they want people to be able to pick up an Apple Watch or an
00:03:51 ◼ ► iPhone in a store when it comes out, right? What they don't want is to have every watch and every
00:03:57 ◼ ► phone they make be put in a waiting list for everybody who ordered them on the first night.
00:04:03 ◼ ► Because what happens then is that somebody hears the iPhone is out and they go into the store.
00:04:08 ◼ ► And for weeks, there are no iPhones in the stores because they're all spoken for online orders.
00:04:20 ◼ ► So I ordered, I woke up the morning after the pre-orders and I put in an order for my wife's
00:04:26 ◼ ► Level 4 Paladin D&D character. I don't know. It's Monday morning. Apple Watch Series 4.
00:04:44 ◼ ► probably late October." And I thought, "All right. Well, whatever." I didn't want to stay up till
00:04:50 ◼ ► midnight and this is what it's gotten me. And they're freely available in Apple stores.
00:04:56 ◼ ► So Friday, I just went on to the old apple.com and it said, "Yeah, sure. This is in stock at
00:05:04 ◼ ► your local Apple store at Corte Madera." I placed an order for the afternoon, finished my work for
00:05:09 ◼ ► the morning and then went up there and walked in, showed them the little barcode. The guy came from
00:05:18 ◼ ► the back with the box and I walked out and that was it. And I canceled my other order. So it's
00:05:24 ◼ ► just weird. This is part of the thing that all of us need to know, which is if you're unhappy with
00:05:30 ◼ ► your Apple pre-order and it looks like you have really fallen into the backlog where your order's
00:05:36 ◼ ► not being prepared and it's a few weeks out, you should absolutely start either going to your local
00:05:42 ◼ ► Apple store if it's not too much trouble or looking at your local Apple store, if you have one,
00:05:48 ◼ ► on the website and see if they've got availability because they do. They almost certainly do.
00:05:54 ◼ ► You may have to be diligent. You may have to check carefully, but just because you're waiting
00:06:00 ◼ ► for your online order, that online order is there because they are siphoning large numbers of these
00:06:08 ◼ ► devices to put them in their retail stores because they want people to be able to walk into a real
00:06:12 ◼ ► retail store and buy an iPhone or an Apple watch. In any event, we got it. So instead of waiting
00:06:19 ◼ ► another two plus weeks for my wife's new Apple watch, because she has series zero, we went in
00:06:25 ◼ ► there and now she has the level four Paladin Apple watch fighter with magic. - Is she happy with her
00:06:34 ◼ ► decision? - Yeah, I think so. She was really frustrated because the battery was getting pretty
00:06:40 ◼ ► poor on the old one because it was a series zero and or what would it be a level zero, level zero
00:06:48 ◼ ► org. So the new one, it's lighter. She had the stainless before this is the aluminum. So it's
00:06:56 ◼ ► lighter. It feels thinner. It's got the bigger screen and it's got battery. It's responsive.
00:07:04 ◼ ► The series zero UI is pretty pokey. This one's very responsive. It's got series support. It's
00:07:11 ◼ ► night and day from the series zero. And I'm hearing from a lot of people who really just
00:07:17 ◼ ► stuck it out with series zero. They were willing to buy an Apple watch, but they didn't really
00:07:20 ◼ ► want to keep buying them every couple of years who have found maybe this is going to be the pattern
00:07:26 ◼ ► for the Apple watch going forward. Maybe it's like a three-ish year buying cycle for those.
00:07:32 ◼ ► Who knows? But I did hear from a lot of people. I think the combination of the new bigger screen
00:07:38 ◼ ► and the fact that watch OS 5 won't run on the series zero pushed a lot of people off the series
00:07:43 ◼ ► zero to the series four. - So macOS Mojave is now out to the public. It's out to the world.
00:07:50 ◼ ► And I had a couple of dark mode tips and tricks to share with the world. A few of them came directly
00:07:56 ◼ ► from Six Colors. One came from an Upgrading. Upgrading, Andrew wrote in to recommend a Safari
00:08:02 ◼ ► extension, which is called dark mode for Safari that tries to force dark mode on websites.
00:08:07 ◼ ► Andrew said it can be a bit ugly in places, but is a potential option if it's something that you
00:08:13 ◼ ► want to do. I mean, there's screenshots for the app. It's available in the Mac App Store.
00:08:17 ◼ ► It shows Wikipedia, for example, which is a really good one to show off. Because that is just the
00:08:25 ◼ ► most piercing white that a webpage can be. And the screenshots show it's like they basically try and
00:08:31 ◼ ► make it all dark on the back and obviously invert the text so the text is white. So again,
00:08:37 ◼ ► it's not necessarily going to make everything look pretty, but it is going to do a decent job
00:08:44 ◼ ► of trying to calm down some of the kind of harshest offenders, I guess. So your mileage
00:08:50 ◼ ► will vary on this one, but for a $2 extension for Safari, it might provide you with some benefit.
00:08:59 ◼ ► And then I saw a post, I think this was Dan's post on Six Colors, about there is an app which is
00:09:08 ◼ ► called Night Owl, which will allow you to automate switching from light mode to dark mode, which is
00:09:22 ◼ ► There is a little menu bar app that can allow you to do that. And then another one that you pointed
00:09:29 ◼ ► out, which was Haze Over, which is a very clever little utility. So for applications that are white
00:09:35 ◼ ► in nature, like Finder or maybe you've got a lot of white space or maybe, I don't know, like a web
00:09:43 ◼ ► page, right? So you use your own web page in the screenshot, which I kind of like a lot. Haze Over
00:09:50 ◼ ► will make those applications kind of dim out when they're in the background, so they don't try and
00:09:55 ◼ ► drag your attention away from screen. So it's not quite the same in the sense that, right,
00:10:00 ◼ ► if it's in the foreground, it's going to be blinding and white, but it does at least mean
00:10:04 ◼ ► that if it's not in the foreground, it can fade away a little bit more. And people even not using
00:10:09 ◼ ► dark mode might like it. It's an interesting idea. I'm not using it, but I kind of like the idea that
00:10:14 ◼ ► if you don't want to have like everything running in full screen mode, but you want everything in
00:10:20 ◼ ► the background to be a little less distracting, especially if you're in dark mode though, and it's
00:10:24 ◼ ► light, a very light window, you can use Haze Over and it lets you set sort of per app or per window
00:10:36 ◼ ► Yeah, so these are just sort of like utilities to help, I guess, make the Mojave experience
00:10:41 ◼ ► nicer for people. I have not yet upgraded to Mojave. I will at some point, but, you know,
00:10:47 ◼ ► I just never rush with my production machine. I don't want to introduce problems that I'm not
00:10:52 ◼ ► currently having. And you always run that risk, I think, with kind of like production machines.
00:10:58 ◼ ► But it seems that everybody that I know that's running Mojave and you were talking about last
00:11:12 ◼ ► You know, I am in no rush. I'm in no particular rush. Jason, I have one piece of upstream news
00:11:18 ◼ ► for you this week. Disney has sold its 39% stake in Sky to Comcast. Disney made $15 billion out of
00:11:29 ◼ ► this deal, which means that Comcast has now kind of been wholly successful in their takeover of
00:11:35 ◼ ► the European broadcaster Sky. So while this means that Disney has lost the potential of a distribution
00:11:41 ◼ ► arm into Europe, right, very, very powerful one, they have gained a ton of cash that they can
00:11:46 ◼ ► probably put into investing in their upcoming streaming platforms. Obviously, Disney made this,
00:11:55 ◼ ► they got this stake when they bought Fox, right? So that's how they got that 39% stake.
00:12:00 ◼ ► And they were being a little bit coy about it at the time, right, kind of making it sound like it
00:12:05 ◼ ► was something that they really wanted to keep, but was probably always very likely that it would end
00:12:09 ◼ ► up being something that they sold, especially with Comcast not getting Fox. So they moved to Sky as
00:12:15 ◼ ► their second bet. And Peter Kafka has said that he believes that this, this sell, that like this
00:12:24 ◼ ► Disney being willing to let go of this probably means that they will end up picking up all of Hulu.
00:12:29 ◼ ► - Yeah, this feels to me, and I don't know if this is true or not, but it feels to me when they were
00:12:36 ◼ ► vying, when Universal or Comcast and Disney were vying for the Fox stuff, somebody floated this
00:12:43 ◼ ► theory that this would all get resolved, where they would make essentially a gentleman's agreement
00:12:51 ◼ ► to carve up the spoils of this. And so it would not surprise me at all if the deal was,
00:12:58 ◼ ► you're going to let us buy Fox. We're going to sell you our, we're going to let you buy Sky and
00:13:04 ◼ ► we're going to sell you our stake in Sky. You're going to sell us your stake in Hulu. And then the
00:13:09 ◼ ► deal is done and we'll walk away and not be in business with each other, right? Like we'll take
00:13:15 ◼ ► these businesses, you take those businesses. And then we're now, you know, now we're just
00:13:19 ◼ ► competitors and we're not co-owning joint ventures with one another basically. And it looks like that
00:13:26 ◼ ► may exactly happen. - Yeah, I was reading in the Wall Street Journal article about this,
00:13:32 ◼ ► there was a potential benefit for Disney that if they kept Sky, they could have basically rescinded
00:13:38 ◼ ► on all of the distribution deals for Disney content, right? So then they could have put
00:13:44 ◼ ► them on their streaming services, right? So they could have changed all those deals if they would
00:13:48 ◼ ► have kept Sky, which is kind of like, that was like one of the only reasons that people thought,
00:13:55 ◼ ► let's just undo all of these. Like we would like all the Marvel movies back, please. Thank you very
00:14:00 ◼ ► much. But it makes way more sense for them to try and tie up something like Hulu for what their
00:14:08 ◼ ► future plans are. And plus the cash. I mean, Disney has been spending a lot of money recently.
00:14:13 ◼ ► A little bit more cash coming back is definitely not going to hurt. Probably not that Disney's
00:14:18 ◼ ► hurting for money specifically, but. - No, it's more about, I think more about control, right?
00:14:23 ◼ ► Yeah, sure. They get their money back and they're losing that stake, but they are ending up with,
00:14:27 ◼ ► you know, they get all of Fox, Comcast gets all of Sky, they get all of Hulu. Hulu is very useful
00:14:33 ◼ ► for them because although they've announced these other services, there is this question of what
00:14:38 ◼ ► Disney does with the content that's more adult in nature, like the stuff they bought from Fox
00:14:43 ◼ ► and the FX networks. And Hulu has always been the most logical place for that kind of stuff to go
00:14:50 ◼ ► as Hulu's or as Disney's streaming service that's more of, you know, more adult targeted
00:15:03 ◼ ► - Just a super like pie in the sky type question. Do you think that they would keep the name the
00:15:09 ◼ ► same? Do you think it would still be called Hulu? Do you think that it has brand recognition?
00:15:18 ◼ ► but it, and that would be one of their challenges would be to roll it out internationally. But
00:15:22 ◼ ► I think it has some name recognition and it's got content. And I don't know why they wouldn't do
00:15:26 ◼ ► that unless they think that there's some other brand that they already own that would work with
00:15:32 ◼ ► it. I don't think there is. In fact, I think you could argue that given what I've witnessed is
00:15:46 ◼ ► walking away from that, walking away from a brand that is going to turn off half the audience is
00:15:54 ◼ ► probably a good idea. So I think they'll probably downplay the Fox brand and the Hulu brand has
00:16:01 ◼ ► existed. It is a streaming service. Even if it changes into a very different kind of streaming
00:16:06 ◼ ► service with very different kind of content, I would imagine over time what's going to happen
00:16:09 ◼ ► is that all of the non-Disney content on there will go away, right? That everybody else will be
00:16:15 ◼ ► like, "Well, we're out of here. We're not going to use this as our sort of like streaming equivalent
00:16:20 ◼ ► for broadcast TV to show you stuff after the fact." Everybody wants their own. Everybody wants to own
00:16:27 ◼ ► their own. So Hulu will just end up being a vehicle for Disney. I think that makes sense.
00:16:37 ◼ ► You know, even putting the political issue aside, the 20th Century Fox branding is of no real use to
00:16:44 ◼ ► Disney, right? Because it's not necessarily, it's not in really any way a stronger brand than
00:16:50 ◼ ► Disney's own brand that they would use in movies and TV. The only limitation is, again, that there
00:16:56 ◼ ► may be things, this is like what we were talking about Apple and its streaming service. There is
00:17:00 ◼ ► this issue of there are, like in the '80s, Disney created Touchstone pictures and the whole idea
00:17:06 ◼ ► there was that they wanted to wrap more adult content in a brand name that was not Disney,
00:17:11 ◼ ► right? So having a useful brand or brands around that you can put content in so you aren't releasing
00:17:18 ◼ ► an R-rated movie with a Disney banner in front of it, that's going to be the value of having Fox.
00:17:24 ◼ ► 20th or 21st, depending, because there's different pieces of them with different century names,
00:17:29 ◼ ► but like Fox would be a way that you could wrap more adult fare out of Disney and that may be what
00:17:35 ◼ ► they end up doing. Or they just completely create something new, right? Like there is nothing
00:17:39 ◼ ► stopping them creating another new brand, right? Which is neither. It's true, but they've got,
00:17:44 ◼ ► you know, they've got existing brands that they can use and so, you know, rather than rebranding,
00:17:49 ◼ ► that's obviously a question that they've had. If they haven't already decided, they will decide
00:17:53 ◼ ► at some point, but I think that's such a historic brand as a film studio that keeping it around in
00:18:00 ◼ ► some form is probably what they'll do for, again, for film releases. They'll probably define it a
00:18:08 ◼ ► certain way. I think that's their challenge is what is a Disney product? What is a Fox product?
00:18:13 ◼ ► What goes on a Disney service? What goes on a Hulu? Those rules, what are the rules? Because
00:18:22 ◼ ► you don't want it to be random. You want all of these things to mean something because otherwise
00:18:31 ◼ ► every now and then you'll hear some promo somewhere for a new album from a music artist
00:18:38 ◼ ► and they'll say the label it's on and you're like, that is meaningless. In almost every case,
00:18:43 ◼ ► it's meaningless. It's just a corporation put this out and it doesn't mean anything to consumers.
00:18:56 ◼ ► oh, it's one of those. You want that for your products. You want Hulu to mean something.
00:19:02 ◼ ► One of the challenges right now is that it is just an empty bag that TV shows get stuffed in
00:19:07 ◼ ► and they need to do original content like "Handmaid's Tale" and some of the other stuff.
00:19:12 ◼ ► I've been watching a lot of Hulu actually the last few weeks. That helps define it and that's
00:19:18 ◼ ► important like the way that John Landgraf who's the executive in charge of the FX networks,
00:19:23 ◼ ► the cable networks, FX and FXX which is a real, that's their comedy network. They split it in
00:19:34 ◼ ► So I think there's a great value in that and that's what brands are good for. Brands are good
00:19:38 ◼ ► to be labels that let a consumer go, oh, I get it. That's one of those. We talk about Apple and
00:19:46 ◼ ► all their marketing decisions and structural decisions about iPhone names and things like
00:19:51 ◼ ► that especially. This is another one of those cases where this is really important decision
00:19:58 ◼ ► making that gets done and that's why they presumably pay those Disney executives a lot of money.
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00:22:59 ◼ ► for their support of this show and Relay FM. So Jason, there have been some rumors recently
00:23:08 ◼ ► about what the next iPad Pros are going to be about and also some data mining by the wizards
00:23:15 ◼ ► at 9to5Mac and Steve Transtmith. So our good friends, good friends of the show, Guillermo
00:23:21 ◼ ► Rambo and Steve Transtmith have been doing their great, great valuable work digging around in iOS
00:23:26 ◼ ► 12.1 because there's beyotz out for that and have been for like a week or two. So I want to look at
00:23:32 ◼ ► a couple of different things as a way to try and unpack a little bit about what we may be expecting
00:23:44 ◼ ► there's a few things here. iOS 12.1 offers the support for Memoji syncing over iCloud. Now,
00:23:51 ◼ ► why would you want that, Jason? Why would you want to say- Thinking face emoji. Your Memoji over
00:23:57 ◼ ► iCloud. Probably because you will have it on another device and people tend not to, I think,
00:24:03 ◼ ► really own two iPhones. So you need a separate product that has the TrueDepth camera. Aha,
00:24:10 ◼ ► you may say be saying to yourself out there, probably to an iPad, right? So you can sync
00:24:14 ◼ ► your Memoji between your iPad and your iPhone, which is a good feature. It's a feature I would
00:24:19 ◼ ► definitely want. I did note actually, I was pretty proud and pleased, I should say, I didn't note
00:24:25 ◼ ► this last week, that my iCloud restore included my Memoji. It wasn't necessarily something I
00:24:32 ◼ ► thought would be excluded, but was happy to see when it was included, right? That in my iCloud
00:24:37 ◼ ► backup was my Memoji. So pleased about that. But yes, so that I think we can, again, if you had any
00:24:44 ◼ ► doubts about there being a TrueDepth Face ID camera system in the iPad Pro, this is a pretty
00:24:51 ◼ ► good indication that there will be one. Yeah. But there is a big question that remains about how it's
00:24:58 ◼ ► going to work because Face ID in the iPhone 10 does not seem to offer any advancement in using
00:25:08 ◼ ► Face ID in other angles, right? It was not added in 12. It was not added in the new phones.
00:25:16 ◼ ► And Steve Trout Smith found evidence of landscape orientation support for Face ID in iOS 12.1.
00:25:23 ◼ ► He says that it is his understanding that landscape Face ID would require a realignment
00:25:37 ◼ ► this is only really becoming a little more complicated. So what it seems like that there
00:25:42 ◼ ► will be landscape Face ID on the iPad. Now, does that mean one camera? Does it mean two cameras?
00:25:50 ◼ ► Like it doesn't seem that like this is something they can just add in software. This is like a
00:25:55 ◼ ► physical change to hardware. So the doors are back wide open again, because we were very,
00:26:02 ◼ ► very confident that it would be one camera, software is going to fix it because that seemed
00:26:06 ◼ ► like the logical thing, right? I wouldn't say very, I was very confident. Like there is this
00:26:13 ◼ ► question about, cause you think about the bezels and it being kind of bezel-less and you think
00:26:18 ◼ ► about like, would there be two notches on an iPad pro? That seems kind of weird, right? But at the
00:26:23 ◼ ► same time you, if the bezels are almost gone and you're holding an iPad in one orientation,
00:26:30 ◼ ► and that's where the camera is, your hands over it, which means that like literally in one
00:26:38 ◼ ► And, or at least it's not as bad as it would be here. So I think, I think there's a case to be
00:26:45 ◼ ► made that if you're going to consider the iPad, a two orientation device that you're going to need
00:26:51 ◼ ► two, two sensors, two cameras, and then have them alter, you know, which one you use is altered
00:26:58 ◼ ► based on the orientation of the device. I feel like, so I feel like either they're going to have,
00:27:04 ◼ ► I mean, yes, either they're going to have a magic new face ID. That's got a different kind of set
00:27:10 ◼ ► of sensors and can work in either orientation, or you've got a, two sets of sensors, or you have
00:27:18 ◼ ► Apple picking a primary orientation for the iPad and saying that other orientations are not as
00:27:23 ◼ ► important. Which is interesting, right? Because I think that some people use the iPad mostly
00:27:32 ◼ ► vertically and others use it mostly horizontally. Although I would argue that horizontal is the one
00:27:37 ◼ ► that has always made the most sense, especially since Apple started including the keyboard with
00:27:43 ◼ ► it and considering it more of a pro, you know, on the iPad pro a pro product, I feel like history is
00:27:50 ◼ ► pushing the iPad pro toward horizontal orientation. But if you look, you know, every iOS device up to
00:27:56 ◼ ► now is a primary vertical. The Apple shows up when you start up in its upright vertical, the logo on
00:28:02 ◼ ► the back is vertical, um, orientation. So, uh, what does this mean? Does this mean that this new iPad
00:28:10 ◼ ► pro is going to be a horizontal orientation unabashedly, unashamedly horizontal as the primary
00:28:16 ◼ ► orientation? Or are they going to stick a bunch of cameras all over it? What do you think?
00:28:31 ◼ ► I think the way that I've been thinking about this, right, is two cameras. But it's not a camera,
00:28:46 ◼ ► You just have one camera, one camera, two sets of two sensors, because face ID requires an
00:28:52 ◼ ► infrared camera, a flat illuminator and a dot projector. So they don't need two camera systems.
00:28:58 ◼ ► Because basically the way that I'm thinking about this right now, looking at looking at what we've
00:29:03 ◼ ► seen so far, looking at what Steve has uncovered is that there will be two sets of sensors on the
00:29:09 ◼ ► iPad. So it will only work in two fixed orientations where you won't be able to use it upside down to
00:29:14 ◼ ► get face ID, but you'll be able to use it in one portrait and one landscape. That's how it seems
00:29:18 ◼ ► like it's going to be to me. So I would expect that we will see one full camera system in the
00:29:25 ◼ ► way that it's always been, instead of as a front facing camera on the iPad, and then a second face
00:29:29 ◼ ► ID set of sensors. So the infrared, the flat illuminator and the dot projector, because it
00:29:34 ◼ ► feels like two cameras is wasteful, right? Like you don't need two complete camera units. And the
00:29:42 ◼ ► other thing is they've got to stop this thing from costing a lot more money. And two whole sets of
00:29:48 ◼ ► that system feels like it'd be pretty expensive. Unless there's a brand new version of this system
00:29:54 ◼ ► that, that Steve Trout and Smith said, you know, the existing hardware won't do this, but there
00:30:00 ◼ ► could be a new sensor block that is more advanced and that will work in multiple orientations.
00:30:06 ◼ ► That's also possible is that it's just a way fancier re you know, re-engineered version of it,
00:30:13 ◼ ► but you're right. They may also scatter the sensors around or duplicate some of the sensors,
00:30:17 ◼ ► keep one camera, but have extra sensors in order to do that. I think it would be a mistake on
00:30:24 ◼ ► Apple's part for them to lock the iPad into one orientation. As much as I use my iPad almost
00:30:31 ◼ ► entirely horizontally. I, I know people who don't, and I think it would be really weird
00:30:38 ◼ ► and a failure, honestly, it would be a usability failure failure if Apple had said, uh, you're
00:30:45 ◼ ► holding it wrong in one orientation, if you're trying to unlock your device, especially since
00:30:49 ◼ ► it's the only way other than putting in a password to unlock your device. That's not cool. Yeah. I
00:30:53 ◼ ► mean, I feel confident that at least landscape right. Will, will be the primary way that they're
00:30:59 ◼ ► going to support it because they've now there's like, there's code to suggest that landscape
00:31:04 ◼ ► no exists, right? Doesn't for the iPhone. But like, I I'm kind of feeling that there will be
00:31:08 ◼ ► like two, you can have like with the Apple logo, if it's the way it is right now pointing up,
00:31:14 ◼ ► or if you take that and turn it left, like the upside down might not work anymore. Right? So if
00:31:19 ◼ ► you have like the lightning port on the bottom, sorry, the lightning port on the top, that
00:31:23 ◼ ► wouldn't scan it. Or, you know, you know what I mean? Like there's going to be like, it'd be one
00:31:28 ◼ ► portrait on one landscape could be because these, these, these, uh, this doesn't work upside down
00:31:34 ◼ ► and there's nothing to suggest upside down support. And I think honestly, I would be fine with that
00:31:40 ◼ ► because I only use my iPad. Like I'm just me personally, I use it in two orientations. Like I
00:31:45 ◼ ► use the home button on the bottom and the home button on the right. That's just how I do it.
00:31:48 ◼ ► That's how I've always done it. And that works for me so that I wouldn't notice too much of a
00:31:53 ◼ ► problem there. I don't think. And I very, very rarely pick up my iPad in a way that is like,
00:31:59 ◼ ► not the way I expect, if you know what I mean? Like I'm very rare, like, Oh, my iPad's upside
00:32:03 ◼ ► down. Like that doesn't happen to me. This I'm sure this happens to other people, but I think
00:32:07 ◼ ► with the iPad pro it's typically got something attached to it. Right? Like I think a lot of
00:32:18 ◼ ► it upside down because like there's the keyboard there or the cases there or whatever. So
00:32:23 ◼ ► I think that like I had kind of resigned myself to thinking that software would fix this and that
00:32:27 ◼ ► it would, you know, one sensor, all orientations. But I'm now less inclined to think that, which
00:32:34 ◼ ► makes the whole thing a little bit more interesting to me again, because it's like, well, okay, how
00:32:39 ◼ ► are you going to solve this problem? How do you set it up? How do you intend it to be used? And
00:32:49 ◼ ► there are a few things going on right now, which seem to suggest that there may be more than just
00:32:56 ◼ ► a lightning port on the next iPad pro. So when talking about landscape face ID in a, in a tweet
00:33:05 ◼ ► thread, uh, Steve Trouton Smith also noted the iOS 12.1 seemed to be checking on whether an external
00:33:12 ◼ ► display was connected to the iPad and in the iOS, uh, simulator in the beta versions of the
00:33:20 ◼ ► simulator. It also now supports virtualized 4k displays. Now you cannot do this with the current
00:33:28 ◼ ► lightning to HDMI adapter. 4k is too much for it. So what is going on here? Yeah. And there's some
00:33:37 ◼ ► speculation that what you have to do right now, uh, the, I, the device itself doesn't need to do
00:33:42 ◼ ► all the work because that, uh, lightning HDMI adapter is able to do it's cause it's got a chip
00:33:48 ◼ ► in it, right? It's doing some of the work, but that if you're doing a direct USB-C connection,
00:33:54 ◼ ► then the device has to do the work to drive it. So there, there are a couple of things here that
00:34:01 ◼ ► suggest, and again, what we're not saying is, Oh, this new iPad pro, uh, Apple is going to sell a
00:34:06 ◼ ► touch screen 4k thing that you can dock it to. And that would be cool. But I think more likely,
00:34:11 ◼ ► this is just the idea that if Apple adds USB-C to the iPad pro, there's a bunch of stuff that
00:34:16 ◼ ► they have to add to the software so that the device can directly drive the external devices
00:34:22 ◼ ► that are plugged in and external displays to do via, you know, mirroring presumably is one of those
00:34:30 ◼ ► things. And this kind of marries up with a Ming-Chi Kuo report, um, from before the last Apple event
00:34:36 ◼ ► where Kuo speculated that, or at least mentioned that the new iPad pro could feature USB-C. And
00:34:43 ◼ ► at the time it was like, do they mean on the device or did it mean a USB-C adapter in the box?
00:34:48 ◼ ► And it was really confusing. It was, it's not clear to try and work out what Kuo had heard or
00:34:53 ◼ ► what Kuo was reporting. So I guess this kind of asks a second question, right? So not just about
00:35:00 ◼ ► the face ID stuff about USB-C, do you, does it seem likely to you that Apple would put USB-C on
00:35:06 ◼ ► the iPad pro or is it seeming more likely based upon these little tidbits that are coming out at
00:35:11 ◼ ► the moment? I mean, you and I talk about the iPad a lot here. We both are enthusiastic users of the
00:35:17 ◼ ► iPad. You know, I know you talk about it with Federico and connected, like, um, so I am of two
00:35:23 ◼ ► minds about all this stuff because there's the stuff that I think of as an enthusiastic iPad user,
00:35:29 ◼ ► iPad pro user. And, you know, in that way, I want to push Apple, right? I, I, and I think you do,
00:35:35 ◼ ► and I think Federico does, and lots of people who use the iPad pro want to push Apple and say,
00:35:39 ◼ ► part of the beauty of creating the iPad pro as a product separate from the iPad is that you can push
00:35:47 ◼ ► it into other places, into more computery places. It can be your device that you are pushing iOS
00:36:01 ◼ ► can go there. And I think I said on a show, it might've even been like a year ago, but I know I
00:36:07 ◼ ► said on this, on, on this podcast before, like the iPad pros, a computer at some point, shouldn't it
00:36:13 ◼ ► have a USB port, like instead of a lightning port that, that maybe, and will it happen this year?
00:36:24 ◼ ► of course, it should be primarily a horizontal orientation, uh, because of the keyboard support,
00:36:31 ◼ ► of course, it should have a USB-C port on it because it is a pro device and it's attaching
00:36:46 ◼ ► does, it's not like iPhone junior anymore. It's it's its own thing. And it needs to be able to
00:36:50 ◼ ► diverge from the iPhone in places where it makes sense because of what it is kind of becoming as a
00:36:55 ◼ ► pro product. So do I think Apple would add USB-C to the iPad pro? Yes. I don't have any idea whether
00:37:04 ◼ ► this is the time to do it, but I think it makes a lot of sense if they were to choose to do it.
00:37:09 ◼ ► I am going to be frustrated if they add a USB port to this thing and it still has such limited
00:37:17 ◼ ► support for external devices as iOS currently does. And this is the thing that I've railed
00:37:22 ◼ ► about again and again, which is, you know, you can't, you can't read off of, uh, uh, files off of
00:37:28 ◼ ► an attached SD card or a USB hard drive and copy them onto your iPad. You can't do it. It's not
00:37:34 ◼ ► possible. It'll, it'll see pictures and movies, but that's it. It like everything else. It just
00:37:40 ◼ ► doesn't understand what it's seeing. And that is not very computer-like because sometimes when you
00:37:45 ◼ ► have a computer, somebody hands you a thumb drive with a presentation on it and you need to get that
00:37:50 ◼ ► off. And right now the iPad is incapable of seeing that presentation on the thumb drive that somebody
00:37:55 ◼ ► hands you in a hotel, hotel lobby or, uh, on an airplane or wherever, someplace where you can't
00:38:01 ◼ ► just say, can you put this in the cloud instead and share that file with me so I can download it?
00:38:05 ◼ ► Um, so yeah, I, I hope they do it, but I hope that includes more than just a sort of external
00:38:21 ◼ ► Chris Well, I mean, you do presentations, there's presentations and stuff where people are,
00:38:27 ◼ ► are, are pushing out to an external display. Um, you know, I would love, I, I think all of us,
00:38:34 ◼ ► we've talked about like that theoretical, like, um, uh, what is it? Surface studio kind of thing.
00:38:39 ◼ ► Like what would a big iOS device be like? And, you know, I think about, about this and I think,
00:38:45 ◼ ► wouldn't it be amazing if Apple made a 4k touch screen display that you could buy and attach an
00:38:52 ◼ ► iPad to, and then it would be a giant iPad. But at the same time, I think at that point,
00:38:56 ◼ ► why don't you just make it a giant iPad? Like why, why require an iPad to attach to it? Why not just
00:39:02 ◼ ► put the whole brains inside that screen and not worry about it? So I think it's just, I think
00:39:06 ◼ ► it's just external display support at higher resolutions so that if you're attaching to a
00:39:09 ◼ ► projector or, uh, you know, an external display or something to do a presentation or anything like
00:39:15 ◼ ► that, um, I think that would be, that's, that's most likely what it is. I would love it for it
00:39:20 ◼ ► to be more than that, but that's my guess is it's just that. Paul I mean, what I want is, uh,
00:39:26 ◼ ► display support and a trackpad and, uh, go to town. That's, that's what I want. I mean,
00:39:32 ◼ ► and I know that this is one of those things that a lot of people can't understand and it does sound
00:39:35 ◼ ► peculiar. Like, well, what's wrong with you just sit in front of a Mac. Um, but I, you know, I like
00:39:40 ◼ ► iOS as my environment. It's, it's comfortable for me. I understand it way more than I understand the
00:39:45 ◼ ► Mac. I feel like an iPad power user. I do not feel like a Mac power user. Um, and so I would
00:39:51 ◼ ► love to be able to have a more, uh, ergonomically focused environment where I could have an iPad
00:39:58 ◼ ► running that I could also pick up and take out on the go with me. It's almost like the Nintendo
00:40:02 ◼ ► switch, but for my computer, because the Nintendo switch is my on the go device and I plug it into
00:40:09 ◼ ► a dock and it's on my TV. And something else, again, not anything I actually think will happen
00:40:14 ◼ ► this fall, but something that could happen in the, in, in the next couple of years is the idea
00:40:18 ◼ ► that iOS may become more capable of supporting external pointing devices. And so the, the, the
00:40:25 ◼ ► problem with external devices right now on iOS is that they're essentially just mirrors or their
00:40:29 ◼ ► outputs for like a presentation. Um, if you could use a keyboard and a track pad or something with
00:40:40 ◼ ► an iPad, you could then use an external display, you know, you could attach it and have it be a
00:40:47 ◼ ► second display or have it be your primary display. Um, we talk about. If you're building apps that
00:40:53 ◼ ► run on iOS and on the Mac, that means they support a menu bar and keyboard shortcuts and pointing
00:40:58 ◼ ► devices at that point, iOS could also support those in certain contexts, not in all contexts
00:41:03 ◼ ► by any means, but could you, could, could we envision a scenario where an app that's built
00:41:08 ◼ ► to run on iOS or the Mac, when you plug in an iPad or an iPhone for that matter, but let's say
00:41:14 ◼ ► you plug in an iPad pro to an external device and in the context of the giant external screen,
00:41:20 ◼ ► it says, well, you want to use it on here. I'll give you a menu bar and I'll give you a cursor
00:41:26 ◼ ► and I will, you know, support your keyboard shortcuts because now I'm on a giant non-touch
00:41:35 ◼ ► that way if they wanted to. I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon, but that is a
00:41:38 ◼ ► direction that they could go in. I mean, it feels like everything here, you know, whilst a lot of it
00:41:43 ◼ ► being theoretical just in this discussion, you know, you couple that with stuff like the
00:41:48 ◼ ► marzipan apps and, you know, you're, you're moving towards a thing, right? There's like,
00:41:52 ◼ ► there's like a thing, there's a road you can take. Um, and that continues to be something of
00:41:57 ◼ ► great interest to me, seeing how this sort of stuff starts to play out and maybe we'll start
00:42:02 ◼ ► to see some more kind of seeds being sown, uh, with the next iPads. Like if they do get USB-C,
00:42:08 ◼ ► I'm not too confident about that personally, but I would like it. Um, I don't, I'm, I'm not convinced
00:42:14 ◼ ► it will happen, but they do go that route. Like that would be very exciting to me because it,
00:42:19 ◼ ► it shows continued further, uh, focus on improving the iPad platform. You know, like that's like in
00:42:28 ◼ ► a year when you don't get any software, if you see it make another big change to the hardware, like
00:42:32 ◼ ► not just from design, but from like really thinking about what it can do, that is, that is
00:42:36 ◼ ► really exciting to me. Yeah. And in the long run, I do think Apple's goal is that Apple's devices
00:42:42 ◼ ► are part of a unified Apple platform in terms of apps. And the idea there is if you have an iPad
00:42:48 ◼ ► and you attach it to some other stuff, it lets you do your Apple apps stuff, right? And, and if you
00:42:54 ◼ ► have a Mac, it lets you do your Apple app stuff too. So they want that experience to be similar,
00:43:01 ◼ ► even if the device, the base device is very different. And, uh, it is an interesting question
00:43:08 ◼ ► too. If they do a big hardware revision of the iPad pro this year, and iOS 13 adds a whole bunch
00:43:15 ◼ ► of new iPad features. I would imagine that these devices will support all of those new features.
00:43:24 ◼ ► So this is an interesting case too, where there might be a few things that they put into 12,
00:43:28 ◼ ► one just to enable so that the device can ship and make sense. But, um, these devices may also be in
00:43:35 ◼ ► line for a major update, like an improvement that is really intending to use the features that are
00:43:41 ◼ ► introduced. Like if they introduce USB-C, maybe there's a base functionality that exists in 12.1
00:43:47 ◼ ► when they ship, but presumably for the iPad features in iOS 13, the would be conceived of
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00:45:49 ◼ ► - I do. I do. We could talk about the iPad more. I like that. But I do want to tell a story. It's
00:45:55 ◼ ► got a couple of links to the stuff we talk about here. Also, I just really wanted to talk about
00:46:00 ◼ ► this because I went through this kind of whole thing. It happened a little bit of it trickled
00:46:03 ◼ ► out onto my Twitter feed. I just want to tell the story. We're going to call it "Frozone Quest"
00:46:21 ◼ ► We poured new concrete. We had totally uneven pavers and stuff. You could trip over them and
00:46:28 ◼ ► they were awful. We put concrete back there in the backyard. It's a larger area. It's really nice.
00:46:36 ◼ ► We wanted some new outdoor furniture out there so we could enjoy the California environment.
00:46:41 ◼ ► There's new grass back there now, which we never really had grass that was anything but
00:46:58 ◼ ► at some point. Anyway, we redid this. We wanted a nicer backyard. After being in the house almost
00:47:02 ◼ ► 20 years, we got one. For the outdoor furniture, we looked at a bunch of places and we looked at
00:47:07 ◼ ► some outdoor furniture. It was extremely expensive. It was nice, but it was extremely expensive.
00:47:12 ◼ ► In the end, we went to IKEA and we looked at the stuff that they had. There was some stuff there,
00:47:25 ◼ ► We bought some IKEA furniture and they have cushions for their furniture. We got some cushions
00:47:32 ◼ ► for them so you could sit and it's nice and cushy. They've got covers for the cushions so that they're
00:47:38 ◼ ► not just the loose fill. You can pick a color and so we picked a color and all that. We got the back
00:47:45 ◼ ► cushions and we couldn't find the cushion covers for the back, which are called Frozon, I will say.
00:47:51 ◼ ► That's where it comes in here. The guy at the store says to me, "Look, here's what you do.
00:48:01 ◼ ► A word of advice, as you'll hear in this story, is never leave IKEA intending to buy parts of
00:48:10 ◼ ► what you just bought online. I will also say when I was trying to outfit my office here,
00:48:24 ◼ ► Avoid IKEA's online ordering system as much as you possibly can because it is fraught with disaster.
00:48:29 ◼ ► Yeah, so I've had some good luck with IKEA orders online. I have ordered bins for my little pieces
00:48:38 ◼ ► of furniture that I've got here, the Cal-X. Those came, they were fine. The shipping price was
00:48:44 ◼ ► fairly reasonable for that. I actually ordered a piece of this furniture we wanted to corner,
00:49:02 ◼ ► So I call IKEA, and guess what? I'm on hold for half an hour, and then I get to somebody
00:49:14 ◼ ► And they're like, "All right, well, this is very strange. I need to transfer you to somebody who
00:49:19 ◼ ► could help me, somebody else who could help me." That was another 25, 30 minutes on hold,
00:49:27 ◼ ► as if I was just reliving my last half hour. The next person comes on, they have no idea who I am
00:49:33 ◼ ► or any of my background. I've dealt the whole story again. I don't even know what happened.
00:49:39 ◼ ► Anyway, they're like, "All right, you say you didn't get it. That's great. We'll just put in
00:49:52 ◼ ► So among the stories I wanted to tell here is how IKEA's website is terrible. Amazon has set the
00:50:01 ◼ ► bar so high for everybody else, and everybody else has tried to come up to Amazon's level here.
00:50:06 ◼ ► IKEA, first off, you get an order and there's an email, and it says, "Click here to track your
00:50:10 ◼ ► package." I click on that link. It goes to a customer service page that's like information
00:50:16 ◼ ► about looking up product manuals and things like that. There's no information about tracking a
00:50:21 ◼ ► package on it at all. And I think, "What is happening? Why is the track package link not..."
00:50:27 ◼ ► So I copy the URL of the track package link, and it actually is a package tracking URL. It says
00:50:34 ◼ ► track package in it. But then there's a whole bunch of stuff on the end that's like other little
00:50:38 ◼ ► data points that they're passing out of the email to their server, presumably for tracking and
00:50:45 ◼ ► logging reasons. So I delete all of those. So it's just the pure package tracking URL. And that works.
00:50:52 ◼ ► That gets me to a package tracking page, which I think to myself, "This is really bad." If your
00:50:57 ◼ ► email you send to people who you're shipping a package to, literally the package tracking link
00:51:02 ◼ ► in it doesn't work, either by design or by an accident where they're accidentally redirecting
00:51:09 ◼ ► you. Because why they're redirecting a package tracking link to this totally other page,
00:51:13 ◼ ► it's completely baffling. So I put in my number, and basically what I get back is, "Oh, yes,
00:51:21 ◼ ► you made that order last week or two weeks ago, and it hasn't shipped yet." There's no other status.
00:51:27 ◼ ► It's just like the order was made and it hasn't been shipped. So after a month, I phone again,
00:51:32 ◼ ► spend 45 minutes on hold, finally talk to somebody. I say, "Well, I get this new order because they
00:51:37 ◼ ► failed to send my last order." Like, "We're very sorry. I don't really know what happened there.
00:51:44 ◼ ► - Just so you know, this exact thing that you had, I had this with an entire sofa. What you're going
00:51:51 ◼ ► through right now, this happened to me when I was trying to get a sofa that they had in stock,
00:52:01 ◼ ► - And there's no communication. I mean, we joke about Amazon saying, "Hey, would you like
00:52:05 ◼ ► to see where the truck is on a map? Would you like a picture of the box outside your door?
00:52:11 ◼ ► We've got that for you." IKEA is like, "We don't know what your thing is. We don't know if we have
00:52:17 ◼ ► it. We don't know if we shipped it. We don't know if you didn't get it. We literally know nothing
00:52:22 ◼ ► about this." So it is quite a contrast. Anyway, they're like, "All right, we'll cancel it. The
00:52:27 ◼ ► new, new order." A month passes again. Same story as before. It's in the system. When I get to that
00:52:35 ◼ ► page, it's in the system that there is an order, and there's an estimated-- the thing that kills me,
00:52:39 ◼ ► there's an estimated delivery date. But it never shows as shipped, and the delivery date passes.
00:52:45 ◼ ► - And it is, again, just so we're all on the same page here. We are talking literally about
00:52:50 ◼ ► fabric covers for cushions. That's it. It's not like a big thing here. Like, it's a small--
00:52:55 ◼ ► - No, very small item. Very small item. So after a month, I decide I'm not gonna sit on the phone
00:53:03 ◼ ► for an hour at this time. So I find their email contact form, and I decide, "Let's try this one."
00:53:08 ◼ ► And I get, within a day, I get a response from somebody who's like, "I don't know what's going
00:53:13 ◼ ► on here, but I've canceled that, and I've given you-- here's your new order number. I've reordered
00:53:16 ◼ ► it." Okay, a few weeks pass, and I call again. I'm like, "This is-- it's the end of the summer now.
00:53:25 ◼ ► We've missed the whole summer. The furniture's been sitting out there with bottom cushions and
00:53:29 ◼ ► a whole bunch of assorted pillows that we found around because we don't have the top-- we have
00:53:33 ◼ ► the top cushions, but they're these thin little white things that need a cover on them." After--
00:53:38 ◼ ► this time, I push a different set of buttons in the phone tree, and I immediately get somebody
00:53:45 ◼ ► on the phone, which is amazing. I think I just had a problem with my order instead of miscellaneous
00:53:49 ◼ ► help. This person is very nice, and I spend about 25 minutes with her kind of putting me on hold and
00:53:56 ◼ ► checking and coming back and putting me on hold and checking and coming back. And then she says,
00:54:00 ◼ ► "I got-- I need to get a manager because I don't know what I'm seeing here." And I wait for another
00:54:05 ◼ ► 15, 20 minutes, and a manager comes on. And the manager's also very nice and very smart and says,
00:54:18 ◼ ► He says, "I'm really sorry. Here's the story. We never had them in stock online. All of our stock
00:54:25 ◼ ► went to the stores." Now, I'm doing a callback now to the Apple Watch because this is another case
00:54:30 ◼ ► where a company has two different supply chains, although it seems like for IKEA, they basically
00:54:36 ◼ ► have their supply chain to stores, and then some stuff goes online, but it's not-- they're not
00:54:42 ◼ ► connected. And what it means is if you place an order online and they literally have it in the
00:54:47 ◼ ► store near your house, there's no connection. Like, they're not going to alert you. And I spent
00:54:52 ◼ ► the whole summer with an existing order that I'd already paid for and had never been delivered,
00:54:56 ◼ ► that had never been communicated as being backordered, right? That's-- I think that's one
00:55:00 ◼ ► of the key problems here is at no point did they say, "We don't have these, and we don't know when
00:55:04 ◼ ► we're going to get them," because then I could have said, "Well, refund my money and I'll go
00:55:07 ◼ ► try to get them in the store," but they never actually said that. But it's similar to the Apple
00:55:12 ◼ ► situation where they're in the stores, but they're not in the online supply chain. So the guy was very
00:55:17 ◼ ► nice. He's like, "You know, the trick here is to go look for them in the stores. The problem is it's
00:55:24 ◼ ► the end of the summer now, and it's a seasonal item, so it won't be available until next spring.
00:55:33 ◼ ► Well, that's great. Okay, thus ends. Summer's over now. Whole summer. No cushions. Whatever.
00:55:41 ◼ ► And I decide, "Okay, at least I've gotten this resolved. They're never going to come. They're
00:55:47 ◼ ► going to refund my $18 or whatever, and I've got a $10 gift card. Great. I should, you know,
00:55:53 ◼ ► I should not have expected them to come, but it was always a mystery and nobody would give me a
00:55:57 ◼ ► straight answer." I'm going to take this into my own hands. And thus begins phase two of Frozen
00:56:02 ◼ ► Quest. This is the real quest. This is when the quest actually starts. This is where the quest
00:56:05 ◼ ► actually starts, because at this point I didn't know. I thought that when you order something on
00:56:10 ◼ ► the internet, it just shows up at your door. Because that's how it works literally to everybody
00:56:14 ◼ ► else. Everybody else, right. And if it doesn't show up at your door, they're like, "Oh, guess what?
00:56:30 ◼ ► one of the interesting features of their website is, is tracking of stock in stores. So you go to
00:56:37 ◼ ► the site and you see a product. And if you've got, we actually have two stores in the Bay Area.
00:56:46 ◼ ► or there are no, it's not in stock in this store. So I looked and the guy actually I had talked to
00:56:52 ◼ ► said, according to my information here, the Emeryville store has four of these. So if you
00:56:58 ◼ ► want, you could go over there and get them. And I think he said something like, "If they're there."
00:57:04 ◼ ► It's a little foreshadowing. So I'm like, you know what? I'm going to do it. So one morning,
00:57:10 ◼ ► I drove, timed to get to the store at 10 AM when they open, parked right by, went all the way
00:57:16 ◼ ► straight to the exit, because I'm not going to weave my way through the whole store. All this
00:57:23 ◼ ► stuff is off in the, at the end where there's like the warehouse part of Ikea. So I go in the exit
00:57:28 ◼ ► through the, through the checkout line backward, go straight to where it says that there are four
00:57:35 ◼ ► of them on the shelf. And I find a box containing three of them and a paper cup, a half full of cold
00:57:47 ◼ ► coffee that somebody has just abandoned in the box. Okay. So I take those three and I buy them.
00:57:55 ◼ ► I'm halfway to my goal. I've got three covers. I thought, well, three is better than none.
00:57:59 ◼ ► And I've got all the cushions in my, in my car. And I think, should I just bring in the other
00:58:02 ◼ ► three and return them? I'm like, no, I'm, I'm going to, I'll wait it out to spring or, and I
00:58:07 ◼ ► get this brilliant idea as I'm standing in the store, or I'll go home and I'll see where else
00:58:11 ◼ ► they're in stock and I'm going to do it. I never do this, but I'm going to use the power of social
00:58:15 ◼ ► media to put out the bat signal. You can use your brand. You can engage, you can engage your brand.
00:58:25 ◼ ► right? That you can do. And everyone's going to forgive you for. If you do this all this time,
00:58:28 ◼ ► people will be annoyed by this. All right. So I go back and I spend a half an hour clicking on
00:58:33 ◼ ► Ikea's website to literally every single location in North America to see if this thing isn't.
00:58:43 ◼ ► three frozen cushion covers in gray. Yes. Okay. There are only two. Well, there are three stories
00:58:50 ◼ ► that have them. One claims to have one. That's not any good to me. I'm not going to even, but,
00:58:54 ◼ ► but the Renton store outside of Seattle has eight. Whoa. And the Atlanta, Atlanta store has four.
00:59:07 ◼ ► Hey, anybody out there who is near the Ikeas in Renton, Washington, or Atlanta, I am, I need an
00:59:14 ◼ ► item. Can you help me out here? I immediately get a note back from my friend, Monty Ashley,
00:59:25 ◼ ► wizards of the coast today. He used to work there. They make magic, the gathering and D and D and
00:59:29 ◼ ► stuff like that. And they're right next to the. The Ikea. So I'll go in and I'll go in and check.
00:59:34 ◼ ► And I'm like, great, fantastic. Um, like literally an hour later, I get a text from Monty
00:59:46 ◼ ► Whatever, whoever said that there were eight. So that is like a, they have a stock management
00:59:51 ◼ ► problem. So now, now we've discovered is that they're very helpful in store supply chain
00:59:56 ◼ ► management system. Also doesn't really work. Um, but in the meantime, no, no, no, don't,
01:00:04 ◼ ► don't give up hope. Everybody. I have two Twitter followers who are both near the Atlanta store
01:00:10 ◼ ► and both of them say that they're going to go. One guy says he's going to go tomorrow. And the
01:00:14 ◼ ► other guy says he could, he goes past there on his commute. He could go today. And I say to the guy
01:00:24 ◼ ► well, that's great. Cause I'll just tell the other guy. If you don't get them and then he
01:00:32 ◼ ► we'll work it out. Well, the guy who was going to go by tomorrow, he couldn't wait. So he went there.
01:00:44 ◼ ► Frozans are supposed to be. And there's another guy there and he says, are you looking for the
01:00:48 ◼ ► Frozans for Jason? And the guy says, yes. And the other guy says, Oh, there aren't any.
01:01:09 ◼ ► Now I've been very specific on Twitter. I haven't even gone into, I haven't even gotten into the
01:01:14 ◼ ► details of exactly what it, what model number it is that I need. I just asked for Seattle and Atlanta,
01:01:20 ◼ ► but it's Twitter. And so there are people on there, you know, Twitter, right? Where you very
01:01:26 ◼ ► specifically target something at one little narrow specific group or concept and everybody else who
01:01:32 ◼ ► follows you ignores that and expands it to include themselves. That's pretty much how Twitter works.
01:01:37 ◼ ► So I start getting others, a guy in Beijing, who's like, they might have them in Beijing. And then I
01:01:42 ◼ ► got somebody else who in like Germany, who's like, they don't have them in Germany. I'm like,
01:01:46 ◼ ► I figured they didn't thank you, but I figured that was probably not. Um, and I think, okay,
01:01:52 ◼ ► this was really exciting. I sent people to Ikeas around North America. We all failed. It's very
01:01:57 ◼ ► sad. I'll wait until the spring. Hopefully they'll still make this thing in the spring and I can get
01:02:02 ◼ ► them then. And then I get a, uh, a message in the incomparable member Slack from the paying members
01:02:10 ◼ ► of the incomparable. We have a Slack community from a guy in Bergen, Norway, listener, Michael,
01:02:16 ◼ ► who says, is this the model you're looking for? I don't know how he figured that one out,
01:02:21 ◼ ► but he figured it out. He said they have them at my local Ikea. Now, how, how does they know?
01:02:27 ◼ ► Because I mean, cause everyone's got them at their local Ikea. I know. Well, right. So I'm like,
01:02:35 ◼ ► this is the model number. These are what they are. You know, that would be great. And I'm thinking to
01:02:41 ◼ ► myself, really, I'm going to get, come get, get a cushion covers from Norway. Well, the next day I
01:02:49 ◼ ► get a picture from listener, Michael and they had him and he bought them and he put them in a box
01:03:13 ◼ ► I put them on the cushions that had been sitting shrink wrapped in my garage for three plus months,
01:03:20 ◼ ► put them out on the furniture. Hooray. The backyard is complete frozen quest is a success.
01:03:28 ◼ ► Thanks to listener, Michael, who I compensated for his, for his trouble. And it's going to rain
01:03:34 ◼ ► tomorrow. So happy summer everybody. And I have an epilogue here too, which is why I got this finally
01:03:42 ◼ ► all complete this epic quest on Friday, Saturday, Lauren and I go to the Cal football game.
01:03:47 ◼ ► And they have a pregame tailgate area where you can hang out before the game. You can buy a beer.
01:03:52 ◼ ► We walk in there and there, there, there's this huge area where you can sit and just hang out
01:03:59 ◼ ► and chat with people. It's entirely our solar on furniture, all of which are in neutral gray
01:04:06 ◼ ► and all of which have their cushions with covers. I have a question for you, Jason, dozens of them,
01:04:12 ◼ ► Jason. Now I want your honesty here. It's very important. If you hadn't got those covers,
01:04:19 ◼ ► would you install? I, what I'll say, probably not because I'm a fundamentally honest person,
01:04:35 ◼ ► what would I need to do if I did need to steal three of those? Who do I need to talk to,
01:04:41 ◼ ► to make this right? What charity do I need to give some money to? Well, I was thinking like,
01:04:46 ◼ ► could I casually take the covers off of them without people noticing and stuff them like
01:04:52 ◼ ► under my shirt and then run out before anyone noticed and, and flee to a place where they
01:04:58 ◼ ► couldn't, you know, into the, into the stadium where they couldn't find me. God. But fortunately,
01:05:04 ◼ ► Lister Michael prevented me from stealing from tailgate town at the California Memorial Stadium,
01:05:14 ◼ ► you got to check that out. Like, oh no. Anyway, that's my story. That's my story. Lister Michael,
01:05:21 ◼ ► save the day. Don't buy anything online from Ikea. Don't believe everything you see, anything you see
01:05:25 ◼ ► on Ikea's website. I like Ikea stuff, but if I can't buy it in the store, I'm not ever, ever,
01:05:42 ◼ ► am really pleased that you did not let it go. I have been holding onto that pun for this entire
01:05:50 ◼ ► thing. I know that there are people that have already tweeted this joke to you because they
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01:07:54 ◼ ► We have some #AskUpgrade questions to round out today's episode. Adam wants to know, Jason,
01:08:01 ◼ ► should Adam buy a TV, Apple TV I should say right now? They would love to future proof as well as
01:08:07 ◼ ► upgrading their next TV in the next year or two. Is now a good time or a bad time for to buy an
01:08:12 ◼ ► Apple TV? I think now is a great time because I think, would you agree with me? It seems unlikely
01:08:17 ◼ ► that Apple is going to upgrade the Apple TV 4K anytime soon. I can't understand what they would
01:08:22 ◼ ► put in it if they did. Yeah, right. No, and we know that they don't update these TVs very often,
01:08:27 ◼ ► these Apple TVs, and they just did it last year. And I don't know what tech they would put in it
01:08:33 ◼ ► that doesn't currently already sort of exist out there for TVs and audio and stuff like that.
01:08:39 ◼ ► And they did a, they did a software update to get the Dolby Atmos stuff in there. So if you'd love
01:08:44 ◼ ► to fruit future proof as Adam would love to future proof, get the Apple TV 4K, even if you don't have
01:08:49 ◼ ► a 4K TV. And I think that when you upgrade your TV in the next year or two, the Apple TV 4K will
01:08:56 ◼ ► work great with that TV too. Peter wants to know, do you use Apple Pay and iMessage? And if so,
01:09:02 ◼ ► like why do you use it? Like what do you like about it? And do you think that it'll ever get
01:09:06 ◼ ► outside of the US? Apple Pay cash is great. I use it whenever I can. Unfortunately, a lot of the
01:09:14 ◼ ► times that I need to pay somebody like to listener Michael for Frozen Quest. He's out of the US,
01:09:20 ◼ ► so I can't do Apple Pay cash. So when I am sending money to people just in here in the US,
01:09:27 ◼ ► I do use it and it's great. It's a lot of fun. I like it a lot. For Myke's bachelor party,
01:09:33 ◼ ► when we were divvying up who was paying for what, everybody who is American just Apple Pay cashed
01:09:41 ◼ ► everybody else what they needed to. So I think it's great. I get the challenges. I hope they get
01:09:46 ◼ ► it out of the US soon. There are, you know, because it's a debit system and you've got to have,
01:09:50 ◼ ► I think they've got a credit card partner. There's a lot of complexity to how it's built, but Apple
01:09:57 ◼ ► rarely does something and then just leaves it parked in the US. It does happen, but they know
01:10:02 ◼ ► that they want to be overseas with it. So I think it'll happen. I would say this rollout has
01:10:07 ◼ ► definitely been slower than Apple Pay. And Apple Pay feels like a more complicated system than
01:10:13 ◼ ► Apple Pay cash was. Yeah, but Apple Pay, like contactless payments and things already existed
01:10:22 ◼ ► financial partners. Right, but they have to like make up deals of individual banks. It's true.
01:10:29 ◼ ► I'm surprised. A deal with Visa or MasterCard would not be as hard because those companies
01:10:34 ◼ ► would really want that business. So I find it peculiar. I feel that potentially it's that Apple
01:10:41 ◼ ► Pay cash is also a difficult thing, but not as high priority as Apple Pay itself was. It's
01:10:47 ◼ ► possible. Also, I think banks have tried to build their own versions of this, right? And so it's a
01:10:54 ◼ ► harder sell for Apple because banks want everybody to use the send cash feature that's inside their
01:11:00 ◼ ► own banking app instead of using the one that's controlled by Apple. But the Apple one is super,
01:11:06 ◼ ► basically what you want is you want terms that make the banks go, "Oh yes, we want to support
01:11:11 ◼ ► this because this will ultimately create a certain amount of money that passes through our bank
01:11:16 ◼ ► that benefits us." But it is strange. And I think you're right. It is a combination of it being
01:11:23 ◼ ► a whole bunch of deals need to be made and maybe it's not as high priority. But I like it. I think
01:11:28 ◼ ► it's a great feature. As Rick in the chat room points out, the complication may come through
01:11:32 ◼ ► if you enable this in multiple countries, how and if those countries communicate. So like,
01:11:39 ◼ ► can you send money to me? And if that is something that they want to enable, which when they do this,
01:11:44 ◼ ► they probably should, there's then a whole big thing about foreign exchange. Now it's all possible
01:11:49 ◼ ► to do because PayPal manages it. PayPal does it, yeah, exactly. Lots of companies manage this,
01:11:54 ◼ ► but that is the complexity because you shouldn't launch this if it's then locked to the country
01:12:00 ◼ ► because it's too confusing. That just becomes a pain point. So maybe that is the thing that
01:12:06 ◼ ► they're a little bit held up on is making it work across country lines. Marcus said, "Jason,
01:12:13 ◼ ► if the 10 and 10s weren't available and all that was available, it was a 10R or a 10s max." That
01:12:20 ◼ ► was what Apple went with. They just pushed the OLED screen up into a large screen and the only
01:12:24 ◼ ► smaller phone available was a 10R. Which one do you think you'd go with? Remind me, do you know
01:12:47 ◼ ► I think it seems pretty obvious to me which one most people will go with, but I'm checking this
01:12:52 ◼ ► right now. We're looking at, well, okay, so the 10s max is 6.2 inches high and the 10R is 5.94
01:13:03 ◼ ► and the 10s max is 3.05 inches wide and the 10R is 2.98. So the 10R is slightly smaller
01:13:12 ◼ ► than the 10s max. I would probably, I don't know. The 10R sits pretty comfortably in between
01:13:22 ◼ ► the 10s and the 10s max. So, again, this is the world where the 10 and the 10s don't exist,
01:13:30 ◼ ► because that's my preference. I like the 10s max. I think it's really, because the 10s already a
01:13:36 ◼ ► little bit larger, that decreases the space between the two models, which means that it
01:13:40 ◼ ► feels like less of a jump to get up there. But the fact is when I hold it in my hand and I'm trying
01:13:44 ◼ ► to reach around on the screen, it's just too big for me. So on that level, I would want the 10R
01:13:50 ◼ ► because it's a little bit smaller. And the screen looks great. I would be really sad to give up the
01:13:55 ◼ ► 2x lens because I do use that a lot when I'm taking pictures. But I think if I had to choose,
01:14:05 ◼ ► I would probably choose the 10R just because I think the 10s max is just too large for my hands,
01:14:15 ◼ ► start coming out in the next couple of weeks. I'm just really keen to see how people stack it
01:14:21 ◼ ► up against the 10s, like after an extended use period. Yeah, and how people react to the screen,
01:14:25 ◼ ► because the screen looked great when I saw it at the Steve Jobs Theater. But what happens in
01:14:30 ◼ ► regular circumstances when you're looking at both of them side by side? How is that going to be?
01:14:35 ◼ ► I'm really keen to see how people start to judge that. But the 10R is a quarter of an inch less
01:14:42 ◼ ► wide. And for me, that's a big deal. It's still larger by three tenths of an inch than the 10.
01:14:54 ◼ ► But if I was forced to pick, I think that would drive it more than anything else. I would want to
01:15:00 ◼ ► try it in my hand for a while because there may be just a threshold that is crossed, and that
01:15:06 ◼ ► ultimately the 10R and the 10s max are both just over the threshold, and so it doesn't matter.
01:15:11 ◼ ► And if that's the case, I might go for the 10s max just because I'm stuck with a big screen. I
01:15:17 ◼ ► might as well have the big awesome phone. But my hope would be that the 10R would be somehow
01:15:24 ◼ ► more comfortable to use because it's a little bit smaller. It's thicker though. It's only like
01:15:30 ◼ ► just over a millimeter. My issues are about just where my fingers can reach on the screen
01:15:34 ◼ ► more than anything else when I'm holding it in my hand. And so that would be what I would be
01:15:39 ◼ ► most concerned by. Nantalus asks, "I'm having apps that I don't actually have installed on my iPad
01:15:49 ◼ ► Yes. What you are probably seeing is the report for all of your devices. So when you're in screen
01:15:54 ◼ ► time, there is a button on the top right or a word that says "devices" which is a button.
01:16:00 ◼ ► If you tap that, you can choose specific devices attached to your iCloud account or all devices.
01:16:06 ◼ ► So if you tap around on that, you should be able to narrow it down. I wanted to mention this
01:16:11 ◼ ► because that is a feature. I do have a weird bug right now where my 10s max is just showing us the
01:16:17 ◼ ► word iPhone, which is very weird. And my iPhone 10, which is no longer attached to my iCloud account,
01:16:22 ◼ ► is still in that list. I think that there's some weird stuff going on in there, but it is still
01:16:26 ◼ ► a feature that I like. I like the book around on that. I like the reports. I still want to see more
01:16:31 ◼ ► refinement come to screen time, but I'm really pleased with that feature. I think it's pretty cool.
01:16:35 ◼ ► Nick asks, "Is there any idea, Jason, why some complications aren't available on the new Infograph
01:16:44 ◼ ► watch face?" Is this a thing that you're finding? Yeah. So the problem with what Apple has done
01:16:50 ◼ ► with the new Infograph face, and I'm going to write about this. I'm working on my Apple Watch
01:16:54 ◼ ► review right now, is they decided to do different complications in the different faces. So even
01:17:00 ◼ ► though there's little circles in the old faces and the new faces, the new faces circle complication
01:17:11 ◼ ► smaller complication and put it in the circle in the new one, which means that every app that has
01:17:15 ◼ ► a complication for the old watch faces and hasn't been updated for the new watch faces, their
01:17:22 ◼ ► complications are invisible on the new watch faces. So like Overcast, when we were first taking these
01:17:29 ◼ ► new watches out for a spin, you couldn't put an Overcast complication on the new faces.
01:17:35 ◼ ► Marc Arment had to update Overcast to add a new complication. I think this is a bad decision on
01:17:41 ◼ ► Apple's part. One of my complaints, I think ATP did a very nice job following up on our criticism
01:17:47 ◼ ► of complications and watch faces on our show last week. I meant to put this in follow-up, but forgot.
01:17:52 ◼ ► Listening to Marco talk about the watch faces, I found it absolutely fascinating, because he is a
01:17:59 ◼ ► watch person, right? Has a lot of experience with a lot of different watch faces, different sizes,
01:18:05 ◼ ► different shapes, different features. I loved that segment of ATP, just hearing him go through all of
01:18:11 ◼ ► that. It was really, really good. And I enjoyed that he said he had listened to us talk about it,
01:18:16 ◼ ► and then he was sort of building on what we were talking about. It's a good conversation. I like
01:18:19 ◼ ► it a lot. And he's right that one of my frustrations-- I feel like this is one of those
01:18:24 ◼ ► things where the Apple Watch has gotten good enough now that we need to start getting down
01:18:28 ◼ ► to some of the details. And some of the details are these faces. Apple keeps adding faces, but not
01:18:34 ◼ ► going back to their other faces. They modified the old faces on the Series 4, and the straight lines
01:18:38 ◼ ► curve now, which I agree with Marco, is really weird that they did that. But the fact that they
01:18:46 ◼ ► didn't make it so that the old complications, if they didn't have a new one to override it,
01:18:52 ◼ ► were compatible or something like that. They just didn't do that. You got to update for the new one.
01:18:57 ◼ ► And the fact that they didn't update the old ones to use the new style either, which they could have
01:19:01 ◼ ► done for some of them. They could have said, "Well, the circle on these faces, we're going to make
01:19:06 ◼ ► space for them because we're going to use the snazzy new circular complications on these older
01:19:12 ◼ ► faces." They're like, "Nah, that's too much work, apparently. We're not going to do that. We're just
01:19:16 ◼ ► going to use the old style complications." So I'm in a situation where, in a lot of ways, like Marco,
01:19:21 ◼ ► I want numbers on my watch face. I like a watch face with hands, but I want numbers on them. I
01:19:29 ◼ ► don't want to do that extra mental calculation of where would the numbers be, what time is it.
01:19:34 ◼ ► That's a little bit more mental load that I prefer not to have. I like having an analog watch face,
01:19:40 ◼ ► but I want the numbers on it too. I like how it looks. And that means that the utility face
01:19:45 ◼ ► is still a face that I really want to use. But it's also really boring on the Series 4 when I
01:19:50 ◼ ► know that I've got these super awesome Infograph faces. But they didn't offer a variation of the
01:19:57 ◼ ► Infograph face that has the numbers on it. I know why the numbers aren't there on the main one,
01:20:01 ◼ ► because you'd lose some of that space on the interior where they put these complications.
01:20:14 ◼ ► And it's just one of those areas where, is it this hard to develop watch faces that Apple has,
01:20:20 ◼ ► sort of, they make them and kind of abandon them? Or were they just prioritizing other things?
01:20:25 ◼ ► Because I understand, like, up until the release of WatchOS 5, there were lots of other things for
01:20:30 ◼ ► them to prioritize. But at this point, I feel like they got to get their watch face house in order.
01:20:36 ◼ ► And that's one of my big frustrations with the Series 4 watch, is the inconsistency of faces and
01:20:43 ◼ ► complications and the lack of alternatives or adaptable faces, faces that have some different
01:20:54 ◼ ► variations. Like, if you like a face and it doesn't do exactly what you want, too bad. You
01:21:01 ◼ ► move on to the next one. And I'm not asking for, like, super nerdy face modification formats or
01:21:08 ◼ ► anything like that. I think they need more variations on their themes than they've really
01:21:12 ◼ ► been able to offer up to now. So, anyway, to Nick's point, one of the things they did there
01:21:19 ◼ ► is literally, like, if an app hasn't been updated to support the new complications on the new faces,
01:21:24 ◼ ► they're just not there. It's really annoying. All right, so our next question comes from Gustavo.
01:21:30 ◼ ► Gustavo is a happy user of the 2018 9.7-inch iPad, but they are suspicious that this will be the last
01:21:37 ◼ ► iPad Apple releases at this price point. Jason, what do you think Apple's strategy will be for
01:21:44 ◼ ► that iPad, the regular iPad going forward? Do you think that it's something they're going to keep
01:21:48 ◼ ► doing? I think that iPad is the bedrock of the iPad line, and I think that is their strategy.
01:21:56 ◼ ► I think we've seen it. I think there will be a seventh-gen iPad at some point, 9.7 inches low
01:22:02 ◼ ► price. I don't think that's an aberration. I think that's the final destination of the iPad line.
01:22:12 ◼ ► like it just feels like something that's going to stick around. I don't think that the iPad Pro
01:22:19 ◼ ► means that the iPad can't exist. And I think for there to be an iPad Pro, that always has to be
01:22:25 ◼ ► an iPad. Like, I think that there will something, something will stick around in that price point
01:22:34 ◼ ► for the foreseeable future. I don't know how often it will be updated, but there will be something.
01:22:39 ◼ ► That I don't know. Maybe it's every other year or something like that, but I don't get Gustavo's
01:22:45 ◼ ► suspicion. I think this is exactly where Apple wanted to go with the iPad. They want a mass
01:22:51 ◼ ► appeal iPad. And in fact, they will keep rolling Pro-style features down to it eventually, as they
01:22:56 ◼ ► did with pencil support. Like, that is their education model. That is their under-the-tree
01:23:02 ◼ ► model. The iPad Pro gets the freedom to be as high-end as it needs to be because there's a
01:23:08 ◼ ► low-end base model iPad. And our last question today comes from Steven. Steven is very happy,
01:23:15 ◼ ► Jason, how iOS 12 has optimized performance on these older devices, but feeling a little bit
01:23:21 ◼ ► shy about putting Mojave on his 2015 iMac. Is there a rule of thumb or resources to help
01:23:28 ◼ ► determine when your Mac is too old to upgrade? I don't know. I feel like Apple's done a pretty
01:23:34 ◼ ► decent job with the last couple of versions in terms of not making it be a sort of slowdown
01:23:40 ◼ ► disaster. I don't have a rule of thumb about it. I think a 2015 iMac is probably going to be fine
01:23:48 ◼ ► with Mojave, especially if you're already running the previous edition and you're going from High
01:23:55 ◼ ► Sierra to Mojave. I don't have a resource beyond that. I think Apple's gotten better at that.
01:24:04 ◼ ► These updates have not been ones that totally slow down your Mac. So you should only ever upgrade
01:24:10 ◼ ► when you need to for a reason, though, right? I mean, I give you a hard time, Myke, about updating
01:24:16 ◼ ► to Mojave, but really you should have a reason to do it. And for a while, Apple will continue
01:24:22 ◼ ► to release security updates on older versions anyway. And unless there's a feature you want
01:24:27 ◼ ► or there's a compatibility reason to switch, you can also just stay behind and that's okay. So
01:24:31 ◼ ► that's my rule of thumb is do you want the new features or not? And beyond that, I think Mojave
01:24:45 ◼ ► that submitted their Ask Upgrade questions. You can always send out a tweet with the hashtag
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01:25:05 ◼ ► and those show notes should be in your podcast player of choice as well. Thanks to Hollow and
01:25:10 ◼ ► Pingdom and Casper for their support of the show. And of course, thank you for listening. As always,
01:25:15 ◼ ► you can find Jason online at sixcolors.com and the incomparable.com. Jason hosts a wide variety
01:25:22 ◼ ► of shows here at Relay FM, as do I, and you can find information about those at relay.fm/shows.
01:25:29 ◼ ► Jason is on Twitter, he is @jsnell. You can find me on Instagram, I am @imike, I-M-Y-K-E there.
01:25:36 ◼ ► And until next time, we'll be back. Don't worry about gradients, we'll be back for you next week.