00:00:08 ◼ ► From Relay FM, this is Upgrade, episode 258. Today's show is brought to you by Linode, Pingdom, and Eero.
00:00:25 ◼ ► Hi, Myke Hurley. You know, so my wife does library programs for kids in the summer, and because school is about to start here,
00:00:33 ◼ ► she's been talking about how basically her summer is over now, and she's moving into school time.
00:00:39 ◼ ► And I am fascinated by this because I have, you know, if we go by the weather, I've got like a good two-plus months of summer weather left.
00:00:50 ◼ ► So it's funny where like parts of our house, my wife and my son, their summer is over this week.
00:01:05 ◼ ► Yeah, so we got today's episode, which is fun in that there was no real news, so we've got some stuff for you.
00:01:20 ◼ ► Yes, we're going to do something hopefully with Stephen Hackett and Mac-related that is yet to be determined.
00:01:29 ◼ ► But Stephen and I, I saw Stephen last week, we talked about the idea of doing something,
00:01:41 ◼ ► Okay, let's talk about this for a second. I was going to say, bringing someone on who cares about the Mac.
00:01:49 ◼ ► I have these moments too, where people will say, "Oh, you know these people who are iPad people like Federico."
00:02:01 ◼ ► I'm very clear that I'm team both, but I think it's like, well, like you, I have Big iMac that I work at at my desk all day.
00:02:11 ◼ ► And I got an iPad that I use mobile. I'm using both of them. But it is very easy to say, "Oh, you're one of those Mac people."
00:02:23 ◼ ► Exactly. Oh, I like that. I like that. So anyway, but Stephen loves the Mac, going back at a level that I perhaps do and you perhaps don't.
00:02:33 ◼ ► And so having you in Memphis give us a little barbecue flavor right there and then throw in Stephen Hackett and you're roasting up some barbecued Macs. I don't know.
00:02:45 ◼ ► Roasting up some trash cans. And then the week after, it is very possible that I will be recording in person at the Snell Zone.
00:02:51 ◼ ► Right here. With the lasers. Right here in the Snell Zone. It is, that's what we're hoping to do is an in-person, in my office episode of Upgrade.
00:03:05 ◼ ► As horrifying as this sounds, the week after, which would be the first week of September, we are expecting to be drafting by then.
00:03:13 ◼ ► Yeah, that would be the big fade out of the Summer of Fun, right? It would be the last hurrah the Summer of Fun would be drafting for the iPhone event, assuming the iPhone event is the week following.
00:03:30 ◼ ► If we're not drafting on the 26th, which I assume is unlikely, we'll be drafting the 9th. I can't imagine them releasing the iPhone in October and that will be the situation otherwise.
00:03:40 ◼ ► So we will very likely be drafting, we have like two more Summer of Fun episodes and then it's iPhone draft.
00:03:52 ◼ ► We have a #snowtalk question from James and James wants to know, "How often do you change the wallpaper on your iPhone, iPad, or Mac?"
00:04:03 ◼ ► Infrequently is what I would say. I change them infrequently. I have been using the stock. It's actually really funny because people see it and they're like, "Where did you get that wallpaper on my iPhone?"
00:04:16 ◼ ► And it's the six color Apple rainbows going across and that's a stock wallpaper in iOS 12. You can just pick it and it's with a black background is the one I've got.
00:04:29 ◼ ► So that's on my iPhone. I've got a bunch of great photography from the Apollo missions that I use frequently.
00:04:38 ◼ ► So like my lock screen on my iPhone is actually an astronaut. I think it's an Apollo 11 shot on the surface of the moon which looks really great with the OLED display especially because the blackness of space is super black on the OLED.
00:04:51 ◼ ► And likewise on my iPad I've got the Earthrise picture from Apollo that's the nice blue earth over the moon which is great.
00:05:00 ◼ ► And on my Mac, and I do change them but it's pretty rare, the Summer of Fun is my backdrop on my iPad by the way right now.
00:05:09 ◼ ► The upgrade Summer of Fun image because it's still the Summer of Fun so I guess that'll be changing in a few weeks.
00:05:31 ◼ ► A listener to many of our podcasts including Liftoff, Anthony Colangelo wrote it and it downloads satellite photos from the high resolution satellite that is over the western hemisphere.
00:05:47 ◼ ► And so I have a shot of California, it's basically from California in the upper right corner, I mean California, the western US in the upper right corner and western Mexico as well.
00:05:57 ◼ ► All the way down to the bottom left is Hawaii and so it's the Pacific Ocean and that updates every 10 minutes or something which is kind of cool.
00:06:09 ◼ ► I very infrequently change my wallpapers. My lock screen is a photo of me and Nadina from our wedding on my iPhone.
00:06:19 ◼ ► On my iPad I have it match up and I was using for a long time on both of my iPads, I was using different Mac wallpapers from Steven's 5K resolution wallpapers thing.
00:06:31 ◼ ► Because I thought that was kind of cute and it was funny to me so I did that. But I changed the Summer of Fun wallpaper on everything.
00:06:40 ◼ ► So my iPhone has currently got the Summer of Fun wallpaper on both of my iPads. But I didn't like the way it looked with dark mode.
00:06:47 ◼ ► So then I updated on my iPads to a picture at the beach. So I just took a picture of the beach is what I now have on my iPads but my iPhone is still rocking the Summer of Fun wallpaper.
00:06:59 ◼ ► I think it might look better on the iPadOS now because originally when you use dark mode up until the last beta it would automatically dim the wallpaper for you.
00:07:15 ◼ ► But now it does it based on ambient light so I should try and see what it looks like now.
00:07:19 ◼ ► It's like sometimes if you have enough light around you and using dark mode it doesn't do anything to your desktop wallpaper it will only do it if you are in a dark environment.
00:07:32 ◼ ► Alright if you would like to send in a question like James did to start an episode of Upgrade just send out a tweet with the hashtag #SnellTalk and we will be able to consider that for a future episode.
00:07:42 ◼ ► Jason I believe that the term follow up is defined by corrections sometimes of things from previous shows as well as additional content.
00:07:55 ◼ ► Yeah I should do this. Myke in the last episode you said that the Apple Card was introduced at World Wide Developer Conference in June but it was actually at the Spring Services event not at WWDC.
00:08:17 ◼ ► That is wacky listener wacky voice. Nobody mentioned this we noticed it after we released the episode. Literally you and I were like whoops.
00:08:26 ◼ ► Well that we're going to be getting people correcting us all week and nobody I think everybody's at the beach so I'm correcting it for us.
00:08:34 ◼ ► No my own theory about this I think that just like everybody else actually I've just found the definition of follow up follow up as a means of continuing a previously discussed topic or correcting things from a previous episode that is from follow ups creator John Siracusa.
00:08:49 ◼ ► I wrote that down somewhere and now I've checked it so there we go we have the correct definition.
00:08:57 ◼ ► As confused as we are yeah okay fair that's that's probably what it is but anyway it was at the Spring Services event.
00:09:02 ◼ ► I remember because I heard it when I was editing the show where I was saying oh I have literally zero memory of them debuting at WWDC.
00:09:12 ◼ ► Yep yep anyway so that's our self our self correction our cell phone for the for the episode is we got that wrong but I still don't have an apple card Myke so you know who knows I hear it's it's interesting.
00:09:40 ◼ ► I was surprised that I didn't see more videos like I read a bunch of articles like when we've been talking about this over the last couple of weeks or whatever.
00:09:46 ◼ ► But I was surprised I hadn't seen any videos well if you want to see an unboxing of the apple card which I actually just do think looks really cool MKBHD has got a video for you.
00:09:57 ◼ ► Myke the reason is that most youtubers are too young to be able to qualify for credit cards.
00:10:08 ◼ ► I was gonna say the reason is that most youtubers have such bad credit they can't qualify for an apple card but that seems meaner.
00:10:44 ◼ ► This year does mark five years of Relay FM so it's an extra special year for us this year.
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00:11:12 ◼ ► Throughout August and September you're gonna get a bunch of wonderful member specials with wild and wacky things.
00:11:17 ◼ ► I am attempting to do really different stuff this year so trying to make stuff that's not as per my usual types of shows.
00:11:26 ◼ ► I'll be talking about more of those specials. I published one already which is something that me and Brad the pen addict did last year and we're doing it again.
00:11:32 ◼ ► We built a Lego set together but the difference is Brad has the pieces and I have the instructions.
00:11:42 ◼ ► It was a lot of fun. It's one of those things you just put on in the background and let us go throughout the day and you can hear me say things like 2x4 flat piece if you want to hear that.
00:12:02 ◼ ► The text adventures that we do every year. This is our fourth text adventure and it's gonna be coming out on Friday August 16th.
00:12:28 ◼ ► Which is you know why I call it the crown jewel because I have to put all that work into it so I'm gonna justify it somehow.
00:12:37 ◼ ► I think it might be my favorite of all that we've done. If not it's like Tired with Six-
00:21:38 ◼ ► because that's the rule of Apple pricing, is that it gets priced way more than you want.
00:23:31 ◼ ► So if you want to lift your service, you would put it in the iPhone event at the beginning
00:23:48 ◼ ► And I know that seems really weird, but I think it's one of the great mysteries that we have.
00:24:25 ◼ ► I'm looking of-- there is a teaser today of The Morning Show, which is the Jennifer Aniston, Reese Witherspoon, and Steve Carell drama show.
00:24:34 ◼ ► It popped out today as a teaser, really, along with a Twitter account, which is The Morning Show.
00:24:57 ◼ ► No, this is not a funny show. People think it's supposed to be a funny show. This is never a funny show.
00:25:06 ◼ ► This was always pitched as a show that shows the stress of this job and of women in this type of environment.
00:25:27 ◼ ► I think it's not helped by the fact that people look at Steve Carell and they think, "Ah, it must be Joke Town."
00:25:45 ◼ ► And perhaps it's a dramedy, perhaps there's some humor in it as well, but that trailer, which is just images of the sets with audio, dialogue of audio playing in the background.
00:26:04 ◼ ► The Morning Show and For All Mankind, we've gotten little bits and pieces, so we know a little bit more about them now.
00:26:17 ◼ ► And lastly, Netflix has signed an overall deal with David Benioff and DB Weiss, who are responsible for Game of Thrones on HBO.
00:26:26 ◼ ► This was said to be like a huge bidding war amongst all of the major players with Disney, Netflix and Amazon fighting the hardest.
00:26:34 ◼ ► It's a multi-year agreement to direct TV shows and movies said to be worth $200 million.
00:26:44 ◼ ► Yeah, this is like the J.J. Abrams thing. There's a real question about how focused these guys are going to be since they've got the Star Wars deal.
00:26:53 ◼ ► But they, you know, who knows? They've got a movie for 2022 that's a Star Wars movie and they're supposedly writing and producing more after that with them.
00:27:15 ◼ ► But the fact is that Netflix, Amazon and Disney were all bidding for these guys because of Game of Thrones and Netflix decided they were going to put up the money.
00:27:33 ◼ ► There is this strange, because we were talking about this with J.J., right? Like this idea that like if I, if somebody's done something once, that they can definitely do it again.
00:27:42 ◼ ► And that's not always the case, right? I would also say J.J. Abrams is a, I think, a much better person to be, to make a deal with than Benioff and Weiss because Benioff and Weiss's track record is essentially they ran this show that became a huge hit.
00:27:56 ◼ ► So they had a hit. Do we have any real evidence that they can do it again? I don't think we do.
00:28:02 ◼ ► So it's a bigger gamble. J.J. Abrams has produced, he's produced a bunch of movies and TV shows that have been successful.
00:28:09 ◼ ► He has written a bunch of movies and TV shows that have been successful. He's directed a bunch of movies and TV shows that have been successful, right?
00:28:15 ◼ ► So he's a, he's a writer, director, producer with a big track record and his production company.
00:28:26 ◼ ► And, you know, not everybody loves J.J. Abrams's stuff, but I'd say he's a pretty good bet because he's shown that he's not just somebody with like one talent, but that he's got a bunch of talented people around him.
00:28:37 ◼ ► And he and his production company have clearly got a sense for how to develop shows and develop movies.
00:28:43 ◼ ► And Benioff and Weiss, and I liked Game of Thrones a lot, but I don't see a track record there. So this is a real risk, but I think in today's overheated content market, the big players who have maybe some money to burn are willing to take that gamble because what if they can do another Game of Thrones or two or three, then it would be worth it.
00:29:10 ◼ ► I don't think they can, honestly. I don't think these guys are like going to go away and never do anything good anymore, but I'm not sure that the fact that Game of Thrones was a success.
00:29:23 ◼ ► It means that everything they do from now on is going to be Game of Thrones. And that's sort of how this deal is priced. So, you know, Netflix has got the money. So there it is.
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00:31:11 ◼ ► So we're getting pretty close. We were talking at the start of the show that we reckon we're about three weeks away from an iPhone announcement which typically would say that we're probably about four weeks away from iOS being released.
00:31:26 ◼ ► So about a month away. And I wanted to kind of check in with us both. I'm running iPadOS only. I'm not running iOS on my iPhone yet.
00:31:36 ◼ ► And I'm not running the Mac beta or the watch beta or anything like that. Are you running everything?
00:31:54 ◼ ► But yes, but it's on one disk and I've got an internal and an external and I'm booted right now into Mojave on the external.
00:32:02 ◼ ► And then my iPad is running the beta. My iPhone is not, although I do have a loner iPhone that is running the beta, but it's not one I use.
00:32:11 ◼ ► And my Apple Watch remains untouched by betas because I like my Apple Watch and I like to use it.
00:32:22 ◼ ► Yeah, because that's on a device which you use all the time and it can't be dual booted like the Mac, right?
00:32:38 ◼ ► You know, I've heard people say that it's terrible and I've heard people say that it's fine.
00:32:45 ◼ ► Like I've been seeing all these Steve Shrout and Smith tweets that are like, "Oh, you know, it's fine."
00:33:09 ◼ ► And the fact that it's now August and features keep kind of like ducking out and then coming back in various betas.
00:33:20 ◼ ► The Safari stuff, which is super ambitious that they're doing where they're doing the desktop class browsing.
00:33:50 ◼ ► and you load a page that's a responsive design web page, it loads half the width of the page in a mobile view.
00:34:16 ◼ ► You're just like, "Oh no, everything goes black and the thing spins and you think, "No, this is a disaster."
00:34:28 ◼ ► I use my iPad all the time, including to get work done, not just like looking at emails and Twitter and stuff.
00:34:37 ◼ ► I have not at any point this summer said, "I got to revert this iPad" or "I've got to get my old iPad out."
00:35:29 ◼ ► And this isn't a bug as such, but in how I'm feeling, I cannot get my head around these new text editing gestures.
00:35:36 ◼ ► I keep looking at Apple's marketing pages and trying to do what they say I can do, and I cannot get it to work.
00:36:01 ◼ ► And the timing there, if you pause for too long, then it feels like you're basically just dropping the little loop cursor like you used to.
00:36:10 ◼ ► And the multitasking stuff, like trying to open split-screen windows from any app that's on the lock screen, just does not work.
00:36:17 ◼ ► It just sends them all into the jiggle mode, which doesn't make any sense, considering there's that new rearrange windows shortcut.
00:36:23 ◼ ► I cannot take an app from my home screen and put it into multitasking without accidentally creating a folder.
00:36:33 ◼ ► Sure. And some of this stuff, like a lot of this I could chalk up to performance issues that, you know what?
00:36:39 ◼ ► Until you're very late in a beta process, I feel like you just got to let some of the performance stuff go.
00:36:44 ◼ ► And that's what I've been doing, is just shrugging it off and saying, you know, it's not -- people always ask when I do beta stuff, what's the speed like?
00:37:04 ◼ ► Is they got to lock all this stuff down, and there's no point in locking it down while it's still in flux, so they wait until the end.
00:37:21 ◼ ► It's more usable than I thought it would be, but also more buggy than I expected it would be.
00:37:29 ◼ ► Like, it is -- especially now that it is coming up mid-August, it all feels a little bit shakier.
00:37:37 ◼ ► And as an intrepid beta tester, I'm okay with the bugs, and I'm glad that I can still use it to get my work done.
00:37:48 ◼ ► I can't imagine something like this shipping to customers, because it is -- by the standards of shipping software, it is a complete mess.
00:37:58 ◼ ► Still, if they're shipping it in a month or a month and a half, there's a lot of cleanup to be done here.
00:38:16 ◼ ► It seems like Apple actually reverted a bunch of iCloud kind of system changes, like from '13 to '12, which is kind of interesting,
00:38:28 ◼ ► I don't know if that is because they don't want to stop the beta process when something is broken,
00:38:43 ◼ ► Some of this stuff is probably that, but I think you also have to keep in mind that this will probably happen all the way up to the final,
00:38:54 ◼ ► I think it's maybe a healthy thing, where the final will ship, and a feature that they announced as being an iOS 13 won't be there,
00:39:13 ◼ ► I think it shows some discipline, saying, "This isn't good enough right now, so we're going to just pull it out
00:39:17 ◼ ► so that the train can keep moving ahead, and we'll put it back later when we're more confident in it."
00:39:31 ◼ ► I heard John Gruber talking about it on the talk show, about whether Apple are actually going to be able to make the usual dates.
00:39:38 ◼ ► There seems to be a concern that this feels worse in some ways, or in some fundamental ways,
00:39:45 ◼ ► and it doesn't seem to be getting better at the rate that a lot of observers think that it should be.
00:39:53 ◼ ► I wanted to run through some scenarios with you, Jason, and see what you think is the most likely to occur.
00:40:07 ◼ ► There are varying issues across all the platforms, but you would assume if they delay iOS, they kind of have to delay the others,
00:40:13 ◼ ► because there tend to be things that all tie in together, and iOS should always come first.
00:40:18 ◼ ► Like, WatchOS you cannot touch, because you actually can't run them out of sync anyway on different versions.
00:40:24 ◼ ► iPadOS shouldn't ship if iOS doesn't ship, because in theory it also shouldn't be ready.
00:40:34 ◼ ► And Catalina doesn't feel particularly more stable and ready to ship than iOS does at this point.
00:40:45 ◼ ► Yeah, the problem with all of this is that there are features that Apple does that go across all of its platforms that are rolled into a particular version.
00:40:57 ◼ ► because if you roll out iOS but there's no new WatchOS, then has iOS been built to assume that it can run with the previous version of WatchOS and iPadOS?
00:41:07 ◼ ► Like, you're now asking people to live in a world where one of their devices is upgraded but the others aren't,
00:41:13 ◼ ► and that leads to some issues. It's doable, but Apple would prefer to, like, have everybody move in lockstep,
00:41:22 ◼ ► and they can say, "Well, to get this feature, upgrade all your devices, and then all your devices get this feature."
00:41:32 ◼ ► like, if you're running Catalina or iOS 13 and you're using Reminders, you have the option to upgrade to the new thing, but you cannot.
00:41:41 ◼ ► And it sort of syncs with the old version, because once you move over, you're in the kind of, like, the new world now.
00:41:51 ◼ ► I do feel like MacOS could get pushed back fairly easily and often does, and really, if new iPads are coming, they're coming in October,
00:42:00 ◼ ► you could probably push that back too, but again, Apple would prefer if you -- they'd prefer to launch most of this stuff, especially the iOS-based stuff, simultaneously.
00:42:12 ◼ ► Yeah, I thought of that just a moment ago. I was like, "Is it worth --?" Yes, it's worth including.
00:42:22 ◼ ► I don't think they can. Keep in mind, we're about 40 days out from when the iPhone will probably ship, the new iPhone models.
00:42:29 ◼ ► So it's coming -- it's coming fast. And I don't know. Like, they have some contingencies here.
00:42:38 ◼ ► I think if I were Apple, I would always have some contingency plans for shipping the iPhone, right?
00:42:51 ◼ ► Considering how important it is to them, right? Like, even like a week's delay, there should be every single year a plan to release it with iOS.
00:43:00 ◼ ► Yes, yes. So that's what I'm saying is if I were Apple, I would have a contingency plan to release the iPhone with a build of iOS 12 in this case.
00:43:15 ◼ ► Rather than making iOS 13 a, you know, a reason why -- like a limitation on shipping iPhone.
00:43:26 ◼ ► Like, I don't think you can do that. I don't think you can say, "Oh, what happens if we have a big iOS 13 problem and it slips? Does the iPhone slip?"
00:43:36 ◼ ► So either you have a contingency plan where you ship a special version of iOS 13 that is just on these new iPhones, which seems not ideal, or you make sure that the iPhone can run a special build of iOS 12.
00:43:53 ◼ ► Yeah, because that special build would have to enable any hardware features that get added to the phone, right? Like a triple camera.
00:43:59 ◼ ► Apple has shipped -- and this is something that I think people miss sometimes -- Apple has shipped special OS builds to enable new hardware for years, for decades, really.
00:44:13 ◼ ► Sure. Well, it happens all the time. It happens that Macs ship out of sync with OS release, and they ship with a special build that enables special hardware, and then the next full-on macOS update then brings everybody up to the same version.
00:44:28 ◼ ► But if you've ever had that situation where you've tried to install software on an old Mac and you're like, "Well, wait a second. This page on the internet says that it can run this version of macOS," and you try to boot off of the disk, and it says, "I can't boot off of this," and it turns out, well, it was released mid-cycle with a special build, and if you don't have that build or later, you can't boot off of that on that hardware.
00:44:51 ◼ ► So they do that all the time. So I think my guess is you always keep around the possibility of enabling those hardware features that are essential in iOS 12, and that you can ship a late -- like the last version of iOS 12 on those phones just to get them out the door in case something bad has happened with iOS 13 that requires that update to come out a few weeks later.
00:45:23 ◼ ► Because going back to last week's conversation, if Apple don't release their iPhone at the planned time, they will miss their guidance for the quarter, which is something they cannot allow to happen.
00:45:35 ◼ ► So the iPhone is everything about how they're building them, ramping up the factories. Like, they don't want to keep things in their channel. They want to get them out, and they want to get them sold. There's going to be a huge pent-up demand for them.
00:45:49 ◼ ► They don't want to delay their announcement event. It's already all timed. For not just when they announce, but when they're storing them already at the factory, presumably, and then they ship them, and the whole thing is timed, it's orchestrated.
00:46:05 ◼ ► Can you even imagine what the amount of money per minute would be that they would be losing? No one's ever going to know that, right? But what is the amount of money per minute that is lost by an iPhone delay?
00:46:25 ◼ ► Because having these production lines just sitting there, all of this stuff just stopping, or piling up, or whatever it is, it's just a wild thing to think about.
00:46:34 ◼ ► No, so I think it's very much in Apple's—and I don't know the facts here, but I can't see how Apple doesn't have a contingency plan to either have a—I mean, really, to have a version of iOS 12 that they can put on it.
00:46:54 ◼ ► I am starting to, like—I believe that it will be either some weird version of 13, but that seems less likely, or that if they—you know, I'm thinking maybe it will ship with 12 and 13 comes a little later. That would be super interesting.
00:47:08 ◼ ► I mean, the other option is that they find issues with parts of 13 that they can do what we were just talking about, which is they drop out some features.
00:47:14 ◼ ► And Apple has not been shy about that, about saying, you know, "Here are the features of iOS 13," and they put little asterisks on their website that say, "This is coming later this fall."
00:47:28 ◼ ► And I wrote a column a couple years ago where I encouraged Apple to approach iOS 13 or approach any of these milestone releases as a cycle.
00:47:38 ◼ ► And you can announce the features. Doesn't mean they all have to be there on day one. Maybe some of those features come a couple months later.
00:47:49 ◼ ► So I think that would be the ideal thing, would be to have a version of iOS 13 and pull out some of this stuff that isn't working quite right.
00:47:54 ◼ ► But I can understand that some of that stuff maybe just, you know, can't be pulled out.
00:48:00 ◼ ► And, you know, we can't go back to the old version of reminders, and the reminder sync isn't working. Then what do we do?
00:48:06 ◼ ► And the answer is just have a version of good old iOS 12 warmed up and put it on the phones, and maybe they initially put that on all the phones.
00:48:26 ◼ ► Otherwise, they'll ship them, and whenever 13 ships, those people with those phones will get the note saying, "Here's a new version of iOS for you to install."
00:48:38 ◼ ► Like, it is not the end of the world to have new iPhones shipped with iOS 12, as long as there isn't a major feature that's not supported.
00:48:46 ◼ ► Like, we have three cameras, but you can only use two of them for the next two weeks is not great. They can't do that.
00:48:51 ◼ ► I'll take a break, and then I want to just lighten all this up by giving a list of things that I love in iPadOS.
00:48:58 ◼ ► Just, you know, share the love, right? Because I feel like there's a lot of conversation about the bad side, but it's not all bad.
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00:51:22 ◼ ► So, I have been using iPadOS for the last few weeks, and I just wanted to talk about some of my favorite things.
00:51:35 ◼ ► I think that they've done a great job of bringing to the front a lot more stuff that is great about the iPad,
00:51:44 ◼ ► and making the operating system sing in those areas. I love widgets on the home screen.
00:51:54 ◼ ► All I have to do is just press the key on my bridge keyboard to go home, or I just swipe up, and they're right there.
00:52:01 ◼ ► I don't have to swipe down, then swipe across. Oh, I accidentally swiped on a notification.
00:52:09 ◼ ► These widgets are right there. They added in a recent beta that you can just pin as many as you want.
00:52:14 ◼ ► I have a bunch there. I have my calendar, shortcuts, calzones, and time-ary, my time tracking.
00:52:21 ◼ ► They're right there, wherever I need them, and it's made it feel like a much more useful part of the operating system in general
00:52:31 ◼ ► Yeah, I agree. I love the widgets on the home screen. I've got the weather. I've got my calendar.
00:52:50 ◼ ► Shortcuts there is really great, because I have some shortcuts that can just run straight from the widget. Super nice.
00:53:24 ◼ ► and then I'll take a look at them to bring them into the Google Doc or to remind me of a piece of information.
00:53:37 ◼ ► Now I'll just long-press on it. It pops up, shows me a little preview of what the tweet is exactly,
00:53:48 ◼ ► I'll be sad if 3D Touch does go away on the iPhone, like the way that they're doing it now,
00:53:53 ◼ ► and if it gets a bit weird, but I will take that if it means this continued push on the iPad,
00:53:59 ◼ ► because I'm happy to have this kind of functionality there now, this long-press functionality.
00:54:08 ◼ ► I like being able to set up pairs of applications together in kind of what I consider to be little stand-alone things,
00:54:15 ◼ ► and I am really intrigued to see what this is going to look like when all of the apps that I use start using it.
00:54:29 ◼ ► where he seems to have made a button that can open a window, and I think that that's really interesting.
00:54:39 ◼ ► It looks like he has a button in his UI that can just open another window with the note that you're looking at,
00:54:44 ◼ ► or like a preview, so that looks really cool. I'm intrigued to see what that sort of stuff looks like.
00:54:48 ◼ ► Safari is excellent on iPadOS. As you said, there are still some parts of it that are a bit wonky in places,
00:54:56 ◼ ► but overall, it's amazing. I'm so happy with it. I actually feel like I'm surfing the real web now,
00:55:11 ◼ ► I feel like being able to have a full desktop browser on my iPad has shown me something that I wasn't completely aware of,
00:55:23 ◼ ► and I've already been able to make use of it in a bunch of places, like stuff like Twitch.
00:55:27 ◼ ► I always have problems trying to get the Twitch dashboard to load, and now I can get all of that to load very easily,
00:55:31 ◼ ► so that's really amazing. The new pencil stuff in Notes works great. It is incredibly responsive.
00:55:37 ◼ ► I like the tools, but the latency, I don't know how they're doing it, but it feels absolutely fantastic.
00:55:47 ◼ ► but now it's like, oh, this feels almost uncanny valley. It's so close to real, which is brilliant. I love it.
00:55:55 ◼ ► Screenshots, the screenshot UI I really like. I like the new editing tools in Photos as well.
00:56:00 ◼ ► I feel like they kind of go together. What do you think about the editing tools in Photos,
00:56:03 ◼ ► like the way the UI is set out and stuff? I like it. It's still a little bit frustrating that it doesn't have all the features
00:56:11 ◼ ► that are on the Mac version, but there are way more features there now. There's something like 15 different controls
00:56:17 ◼ ► you've got to edit photos. I'm frustrated that Photos still doesn't have a retouch tool on iOS.
00:56:24 ◼ ► It's maddening that they don't, because it's in the Mac version, and there are other Mac apps that have a healing tool,
00:56:32 ◼ ► a retouch tool. Perfect for the Apple Pencil, something like that. Yeah, Pixelmator has it.
00:56:38 ◼ ► You can open your Photos file in Pixelmator Photos and then retouch the photo and then put it back in Photos,
00:56:46 ◼ ► which is nice, but why is that feature not in Photos? But it's way better than it has been. It keeps evolving.
00:56:52 ◼ ► The iOS version keeps getting more and more capable. There are weird lapses where it doesn't have something
00:57:06 ◼ ► It's interesting. I have not used that even a little bit on my--I mean, I imagine I'll swipe on the iPhone,
00:57:12 ◼ ► but on the iPad, the tiny swipe keyboard has not been a thing that I've even spent any time on.
00:57:17 ◼ ► I'll give you a use case for it that I enjoy. This is when I realized I really liked it.
00:57:27 ◼ ► the other is where content is being consumed, you can detach the keyboard and have it in small mode
00:57:35 ◼ ► and drag it off to the one-quarter application or whatever, and the software keyboard's not taking up
00:57:44 ◼ ► Yeah, I like that. I like that. I'm not sure how I--ergonomically whether I like using that or not,
00:57:53 ◼ ► I use swipe keyboards and Gboard on my iPhone all the time anyway, so I'm really used to that kind of method of text input.
00:58:02 ◼ ► Yeah, so I would use it--as I have, I would hold my iPad and then use my index finger to do the swiping.
00:58:09 ◼ ► Yeah, so I really like that. Column view in Files is really great. I am so happy to have that.
00:58:19 ◼ ► And Files has a bunch of little improvements in places, like the ability to rename a file when you're saving it
00:58:24 ◼ ► from the popover in places and the ability to create new folders. All of that stuff's really good.
00:58:32 ◼ ► They had a feature which was added, which has been removed, but hopefully will come back,
00:58:45 ◼ ► Dark mode. I really like dark mode. I think the operating system looks great in dark mode.
00:58:49 ◼ ► I was just using it last night because I like how I did not want--we were watching a movie
00:58:56 ◼ ► and I was looking some things up on the internet and it was super bright, and it's like, no, dark mode is better,
00:59:10 ◼ ► Files is much more stable now as the beta's been going along. Files has been getting a lot better, which is great.
00:59:16 ◼ ► I have had way less of these problems that I have, even with third-party file providers of files not downloading.
00:59:28 ◼ ► So I don't know what exactly they've done to fix that, or maybe I just had something going on in my Files app
00:59:38 ◼ ► Yeah, yeah, we're at the point now where it's like, yes, I can insert USB drives, I can see my local server and files.
00:59:46 ◼ ► The external file provider apps aren't 100%, but they haven't been updated for iOS 13 yet,
00:59:56 ◼ ► But that makes the whole iPad experience a little more reliable when you know you have reliable access to your files
01:00:02 ◼ ► and you can actually--because even before, there were lots of times where Files would get stalled, where you'd think,
01:00:34 ◼ ► You posted a tweet the other day talking about--the tweet says, "This is why the ARM MacBook is inevitable."
01:00:41 ◼ ► And what you were talking about is the Galaxy Book S, which should really be a product that not many people care about,
01:00:56 ◼ ► You can correct me if I'm wrong, but I just don't feel like a lot of people that use PCs
01:01:14 ◼ ► So the idea of somebody being excited about the Galaxy Book S just seems like a strange one for me,
01:01:24 ◼ ► So this was at their Unpacked event where they showed off the new Note 10, which I think looks really cool,
01:01:39 ◼ ► It is a fanless product, but the thing that is super interesting, which is bonkers to consider,
01:02:08 ◼ ► If these numbers are accurate, Samsung are in the business of being accurate as they can.
01:02:36 ◼ ► Would Apple do it, or would they use all that power savings to reduce the battery even more?"
01:02:53 ◼ ► So, yeah, they could make it smaller, but they could make it smaller and offer a 20-hour battery or whatever, right?
01:03:23 ◼ ► Like the iPad Pro on Geekbench scores, for what it's worth, they're comparable to a 2018 15-inch MacBook Pro.
01:03:35 ◼ ► Yeah, I think I can assume that any Apple-designed processor running in a Mac is going to be as powerful or more powerful than the iPad Pro is, right?
01:03:58 ◼ ► Apple has the bank cores so that they can crank up power consumption when they need speed and they can crank it right back down when they have to, to the efficiency cores in the processor.
01:04:22 ◼ ► I think what they want to say is that it's an all-day battery, which is, you know, 10 hours is not an all-day battery. It's an all, like, work shift battery, but that's not quite the same.
01:04:30 ◼ ► So if you could come out and say it's 18-hour battery life, 16-hour battery life, it wouldn't even need to be 23-hour battery life.
01:04:49 ◼ ► Yeah, and there are questions. So I tweeted out this thing saying this is why Apple's going to make a MacBook.
01:04:54 ◼ ► And I guess people who have not been paying attention to this discussion then jump in on Twitter and say, "Well, but what about, but what about?"
01:05:00 ◼ ► And it's my usual complaint about people who think Apple can do anything except when there's a problem that's put to it.
01:05:12 ◼ ► It's like, well, look, I think Apple is full of clever people who can solve problems if it's to their benefit to do so.
01:05:21 ◼ ► And this is one of those examples where it's like, "Well, what about all the existing apps that are written for Intel?"
01:05:41 ◼ ► Do we not think Apple would not have already, if they were planning a move, have analyzed all the things that they need to build to ease the transition to ARM from classic Mac OS, like Intel apps?
01:05:54 ◼ ► Do we think that Apple would say it's a Mac, but it only runs things that come from iOS or that are written in Swift?
01:06:21 ◼ ► And that's really all I have to say about it, is that I'm sure Apple in every chip transition has found a way to maintain compatibility.
01:06:30 ◼ ► Probably a lot of the moves they've been making technically in the background have been about maintaining compatibility in some way or other as they move to a new architecture.
01:06:38 ◼ ► And if Apple sees benefits in creating a whole new series of laptops using their processors, and I think they do, I think we can all see what they are potentially, something like that's not going to get in their way.
01:06:50 ◼ ► And I would expect that there will be a story that is relatively painless for developers, and perhaps apps will do what they did the last chip transition, which is unmodified apps will run slow, and modified apps, updated apps will then run fast. That's what happens.
01:07:10 ◼ ► They will do whatever they can to get 20 hours of battery life, right? It will just happen.
01:07:16 ◼ ► This type of thing is like, well, this is the next generation of what a laptop can be, if you can start to get this.
01:07:24 ◼ ► Do you not think that Apple is looking—I mean, this already happened with the iPad Pro, where they called out the iPad Pro speed versus laptops, right?
01:07:34 ◼ ► Do you think Apple and its engineers on these ARM chips are not sitting there saying, "These Intel chips we're using are terrible.
01:07:49 ◼ ► And I think that this is why Apple is almost inevitably going to move its consumer laptops, at the very least, to ARM as soon as they can.
01:08:03 ◼ ► Because then, again, they're going to control—Apple doesn't have to be limited by Intel's release schedule at that point,
01:08:09 ◼ ► because I am sure that Apple feels constrained by Intel's processors and thinks that they can do a better job at those mobile processors than Intel can,
01:08:21 ◼ ► With all the effort that Apple is putting into the Mac now to change it and grow it and make it something new,
01:08:26 ◼ ► which wasn't the case maybe a couple of years ago, it's just hard not to imagine that this is the next step that lets them do something that would really,
01:08:35 ◼ ► I think, is big for Apple's kind of pride, which is to be perceived as being way out ahead again.
01:08:43 ◼ ► You know, ironically, not really ahead right now, and matching up with Samsung is not way out ahead,
01:08:49 ◼ ► but depending on what Apple does, they could at least feel like they're back out on the cutting edge if they have this incredible thin light,
01:08:56 ◼ ► long battery life ARM laptop that's got great performance because of Apple's chip-making prowess, etc., etc.
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01:10:26 ◼ ► I absolutely don't. I keep lots of big files. I wrote about this when it came out. I keep lots of big files on my desktop.
01:10:46 ◼ ► iCloud is trying to sync these files that are logic projects with audio files, and they're enormous, so that it's going to sync really slowly.
01:10:59 ◼ ► And Apple's response is basically, "Well, you either use this feature and change how you work, or you don't use this feature."
01:11:09 ◼ ► And in fact, it actually broke things when I did use it because of the way that an app like Logic works.
01:11:34 ◼ ► It doesn't have a disk space to mirror what's on my desktop anyway. I don't want it to be the same.
01:11:49 ◼ ► It is purely for projects in active work that mostly need to be completed on my iMac itself.
01:11:56 ◼ ► And if I need to take an editing project and have it on my MacBook Pro, I will put it in Dropbox,
01:12:08 ◼ ► That's how me and Gray edit. We put a Logic project in a Dropbox shared folder, I edit, then he takes it,
01:12:20 ◼ ► It is very dangerous. You cannot both open that project at the same time or horrific things will happen.
01:12:35 ◼ ► But for the same reasons, the type of stuff that I'm keeping on my desktop, it would just blow through the storage that I have.
01:12:44 ◼ ► Jonah has written in and said, "Myke, I noticed a number of tweets from UK Twitter users
01:12:48 ◼ ► saying that Apple Card is no big deal and has features that have been around for a while in the UK.
01:13:13 ◼ ► Like contactless cards, right? We all spoke about Apple Pay being accepted everywhere and still is.
01:13:22 ◼ ► Even if the contactless thing exists, maybe it doesn't work, maybe it is chip, maybe it's not.
01:13:29 ◼ ► Did you see there was a story in the New York Times about how they're updating, they're going to get rid of the MetroCard.
01:13:34 ◼ ► Which is a card with a magnetic stripe on it and they're going to go for their public transit.
01:13:39 ◼ ► And they're going to a contactless system. And Apple Pay works with it and it's this whole thing that they've taken way too long to do to go to a full contactless system.
01:14:00 ◼ ► And so one of the funny things that's happening is, as a part of this transition, banks are sending chip cards with a contactless aspect, with a contactless chip in it as well, to people with zip codes in the area of the MTA in New York.
01:14:20 ◼ ► Because they're going to need it to tap to enter if they don't have a, like, Apple Pay kind of thing.
01:14:27 ◼ ► And so, and I just laughed when I saw that because it's like literally, "Oh, geez, I guess somebody wants contactless credit cards."
01:14:41 ◼ ► But apparently all the credit card manufacturers are like, "Okay, we got to send it to the people who live around New York City because they're going to need it to take the subway."
01:14:52 ◼ ► So in regards to, I think people, a lot of people are talking about, like, the money management stuff, right? The grouping of transactions and all that kind of stuff.
01:15:00 ◼ ► This exists in many places in the UK, but I have not seen any credit card company that does this.
01:15:06 ◼ ► So a lot of, like, debit card and, like, bank accounts, like these new internet-focused banks do this stuff.
01:15:16 ◼ ► But showing stuff about, like, how easy it is to repay and focusing on showing you what your interest is, a lot of that stuff is pretty new, especially in the credit card space, even here.
01:15:27 ◼ ► But more than anything, the integration and the way that everything works and the way that Cashpack works and that sort of stuff, that is pretty unique to Apple Card.
01:15:39 ◼ ► Even if some of these features are available in some other types of banking products, I think that it's still an innovative product in its own way.
01:15:48 ◼ ► I, one more thing about the US banking system that you'll like as a former UK bank professional.
01:15:54 ◼ ► We just set up our business to pay people via bank transfer, basically, instead of writing them checks.
01:16:01 ◼ ► Which is, like, an extra fee to do this, to set it up at our bank, but we want to do it because we want to get, stop writing checks because they're stupid.
01:16:13 ◼ ► And I'll tell you, Myke, the paperwork and confusion at major banks in America about how to set that up is amazing.
01:16:23 ◼ ► I am convinced now that the American banking system is, like, layers and layers of tellers and customer service people and computers and web interfaces.
01:16:33 ◼ ► But at the core, there's, like, a guy wearing a, like, green eye shade and has, like, a little clicky-clicky calculating machine and some paper files.
01:16:45 ◼ ► And in the end, you get, this is actually how IDG's accounting system was, too, back in the day.
01:16:49 ◼ ► It's, like, we had all these electronic things, but in the end, there was somebody in a room with paper who did everything.
01:16:55 ◼ ► And our experience setting up our electronic payment system has not dissuaded me from believing that in the end, the American banking system is, like, eight people in a conference room with filing cabinets and pencils.
01:17:09 ◼ ► It is hilarious to me that you even had, like, you had to set it up, that it wasn't just, like, a thing.
01:17:15 ◼ ► Yeah, that was my thing. It's, like, yes, don't we just get? No, no, you don't just get.
01:17:20 ◼ ► Is there a web interface where we, no, no, you have to fill out a form and then countersign it and then press this button and then click over here in a web portal that is clearly from, like, 1999.
01:17:29 ◼ ► And, yeah, yeah, yeah, so, America, a little behind the times in terms of financial products, but maybe Apple will help drag us into the present.
01:17:39 ◼ ► Let me tell you, though, never spend too much time looking into or thinking about how banking actually works because it is a really horrifying thought about how money exists.
01:17:50 ◼ ► It's not good to sit and think about that and you realize, hang on a minute, it's all just not, anyway, let's not do this. I don't want to freak everybody out. You don't want to think about how the money actually works.
01:18:00 ◼ ► Will has said, "I have a Mac Mini that can no longer fit all of my photos library onto its hard drive.
01:18:05 ◼ ► How would you go about backing up photos to a network-attached storage or online backup service as new photos are added to the photos app without syncing the entire library to one Mac?
01:18:18 ◼ ► No, no. What you have to do is you have to buy an external drive that will fit your photos library.
01:18:25 ◼ ► And then you need to back up the photos library using an online backup service. But you need to have, if you want to have a separate backup of all your photos outside of iCloud, you need to have a Mac with keep all photos turned on, synced to iCloud, and then back that library up.
01:18:43 ◼ ► That's the only way you can do it. So if your Mac Mini won't fit your photos library anymore, the alternative would be you could take some portion of your library and export it and put it somewhere else.
01:18:54 ◼ ► But then it's not in your photos library. I don't like that idea. I think you need to buy an external SSD. They're not that expensive. You attach it to your Mac Mini.
01:19:02 ◼ ► I know it might be a little bit slower, but I feel like that's what you got to do if you want to do this.
01:19:07 ◼ ► Because otherwise there's really no way to do it. Because if photos hasn't downloaded the full resolution version, you can't back it up anywhere else.
01:19:16 ◼ ► And you can't, you know, that's the bottom line is that photos is going to have to back, is going to have to download the whole image and then you can back it up.
01:19:23 ◼ ► And if you don't have room for photos to download the whole image, then you can turn that feature off, but then it's going to be deleting things randomly and then your backups are going to be not a complete backup.
01:19:32 ◼ ► And you can't do that. So I'm sorry to Jonah, or not to Jonah, to Will, but this is what we have.
01:19:39 ◼ ► You got to have a disk big enough to contain your entire photos library if you want to do it this way.
01:19:44 ◼ ► Well, Will at least had all the component parts, right? He was talking about an online backup service, talking about like using some kind of network attached storage.
01:19:58 ◼ ► Yeah. I mean, if it's really no go, my next option is, again, to export a bunch of your originals out of photos and delete them out of the photo library and then back those up a lot in lots of places.
01:20:12 ◼ ► But you've just, and you can even put them in another iPhoto library somewhere else, but you're not going to have them in your iCloud photos library at that point, which is probably not what you want.
01:20:21 ◼ ► So I think you just got to bite the bullet and get a, you know, external SSD or something.
01:20:33 ◼ ► In Catalina, is there an equivalent of the iOS privacy settings that display so you can see which of your installed apps have permissions and what they're for?
01:20:42 ◼ ► Do you follow what I'm asking? So like you can go in and say like, oh, I want to see what apps have the permission to use my microphone, for example. Does Catalina have this?
01:20:50 ◼ ► It does. In the security and privacy setting, there is an app view that will tell you what apps have for, you know, everything. And in fact, there's one that's a, it'll say like what folders it's got access to and all that stuff.
01:21:11 ◼ ► And Forgo Tuna Fish asks, what do you think, I like this, this is a crossover question, what do you think the over under is on Marco Arment buying both a Mac Pro and Pro display at XDR on day one of them being available?
01:21:28 ◼ ► Well, I don't know how you said an over under on Marco on day one. Like, are we setting a time during day one at which he buys it or what?
01:21:37 ◼ ► Let's just talk about our odds. Like, what do we think? What do we think? What do we think is going to happen?
01:21:47 ◼ ► Yeah, so I think if Marco was not, this is going to be my prediction, if Marco was not a podcaster and pundit and person who writes and talks about Apple a lot, I don't think he'd buy it.
01:22:08 ◼ ► It's more than that. It's not just being a podcaster. It is being a host of ATP because John is not buying it day one, no matter what.
01:22:15 ◼ ► And I think it would be a travesty if at least one of them didn't have that Mac Pro. Their entire show's identity is built around the Mac Pro. One of them needs to get it.
01:22:26 ◼ ► So I think, well, that's true. That's true. My larger point was just like, I think that one of them needs to get it and it's going to be Marco, presumably, if John is not there on day one.
01:22:37 ◼ ► And John is now talking about how he wants to make sure all the bugs are out of it and maybe he waits for the next version.
01:22:45 ◼ ► But if I were, you know, and I don't know how they run their business. I imagine they just take their money and split it up. If there was like an ATP incorporated, I would, as president of ATP incorporated, I would authorize the purchase of a Mac Pro for John for ATP and say, "Here you go. You got a Mac Pro."
01:23:06 ◼ ► If John is not doing that, I think Marco will get one just because he wants to have that experience. Who knows? Maybe he'll sell it to John or he'll return it or something like that.
01:23:19 ◼ ► No, there was that whole conversation, do you remember, which I completely agreed with. This was on like, this was months ago, like weeks ago, where that was something that John said was a possibility.
01:23:32 ◼ ► That's true. Because if anything ever went wrong with it, you, even if no matter what John would say, you know that he would always blame you. I don't care what he said in that regard. I know it. I would feel that way.
01:23:43 ◼ ► He would be thinking, he'd be like, "Marco, Marco gave me this lemon computer for like 15 years." He would be saying that. So yeah, I think Marco will buy a Mac Pro at some point in the first two weeks?
01:24:01 ◼ ► Yeah, I don't know if it'll be day one, but I believe it will happen. I reckon he will have one on the day that they ship though, right? Because it won't ship immediately. I reckon they'll take pre-orders for a bit, but I reckon he'll have made his decision before the shipping window expires.
01:24:17 ◼ ► The display, now, I don't know if he would buy the display. I actually think there is more, there is a stronger chance of him buying the display than the Mac Pro even, because he would buy it for a laptop.
01:24:30 ◼ ► I think he's very excited about the potential 16-inch laptop, and if he does that, he'll probably want to monitor and he doesn't want to use one of the LG ones, right? So he'll get the Pro Display next year.
01:24:41 ◼ ► I think John will buy a Mac Pro in the first three months, and he'll buy that LG display.
01:24:49 ◼ ► And he'll put tape on it. I do, I do, I do, because here's why. Unless Apple comes out with an Apple-branded thing, which I don't think they are now that that LG thing got updated, I think he will because he's going to want the Mac Pro, and because he's not...
01:25:04 ◼ ► John is a very practical person, and I can't see John buying an inappropriate and expensive monitor for himself.
01:25:11 ◼ ► But do you think he could take it though? Like, just from a design perspective? I don't know.
01:25:16 ◼ ► I think he's going to do stuff to try and mitigate it, and then he'll complain about it.
01:25:22 ◼ ► Is $5,000 worth the opposite of being completely frustrated every single day for the next 10 years?
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01:26:57 ◼ ► It's 1987 and Detective Jack Slade and his partner Jetta Chang must take down a crime boss and restore law and order.
01:27:17 ◼ ► You're roused from sleep by neon lights streaming in through your window. It's 1158 PM, time to start your day.
01:27:30 ◼ ► A voice says, "Slade, you're going to pay for shutting down our operation. We have your partner. Bring us the tape. Come alone."
01:28:08 ◼ ► The badge is a Santa Marina police detective's badge. Your badge. The gun is a loaded Beretta 92S. Your gun.
01:28:18 ◼ ► You're outside a run-down apartment building. There is a strip club here. How quaint, just like a Norman Rockwell painting.
01:28:31 ◼ ► Well, let's go to the strip club. See, that's some good detective work there, Myke. You have to inspect the strip club.
01:28:51 ◼ ► Can we take the guy's ID? That seems like it might be useful. It doesn't really feel like stealing. That feels like evidence?
01:29:12 ◼ ► I think they have little "Hello, I'm in a gang" stickers on them, something to identify them as a gang member.
01:29:20 ◼ ► Yeah, they're color coordinated, that's how you know. They're all wearing pink and that's how you know they're in a gang.
01:29:30 ◼ ► Are you trying to figure out how to ask him if he's amenable to a bribe, Myke? Is that what you're doing at this moment?
01:29:47 ◼ ► I have no idea how you've gone from not understanding the concept of a bribe to rolling out phrases like that.