00:00:08 ◼ ► From Elay FM, this is Upgrade, episode 263. Today's show is brought to you by Linode, ExpressVPN, and DoorDash.
00:00:28 ◼ ► We have a #snowtalk question that comes from Tom, and Tom wants to know, Jason, can you describe your ideal Apple watch face?
00:00:36 ◼ ► Apple watch face, Apple watch face. Which way do you say it? Apple watch face or Apple watch face? Do you see what I'm saying?
00:00:48 ◼ ► I want analog hands and I want numbers in a circle, like you can actually say California or utility was the classic one.
00:01:04 ◼ ► So with California you can get a little bit of that, but it doesn't have the circles on the inside, they're on the outside.
00:01:11 ◼ ► I think actually the California face, which I changed to just be Arabic numerals, it's got a circle complication.
00:01:21 ◼ ► I don't need the seconds or the minutes or whatever, and I also don't like it when it's just like the 12, 3, 6, 9.
00:01:30 ◼ ► I have a little circle complication above it, which is my Carrot Weather, and then you've got the four corner complications.
00:01:39 ◼ ► The California face is, there's so many different options you can have with the California face.
00:01:47 ◼ ► Because I've been spending some time on the Apple Watch website for no real reason, just playing around with the configurating thing.
00:02:03 ◼ ► And the ceramic watch, which I've been looking at for no reason, just I've been looking, you know, like I've been looking at all of them.
00:02:23 ◼ ► And I just wanted to say, you know, just for the sake of saying it, because I've been playing around with it, the white ceramic with the black, what is it called?
00:02:46 ◼ ► We're like in a little parenthetical bubble here inside Snell Talk, but I'll share it with you that because I write about this stuff, I tend to be, you know, getting a new Apple Watch every year so that I can write about it.
00:03:15 ◼ ► And although there is the stainless black, because I've been looking at the titanium black and the stainless black and all that, it's like, you know, if I was just a consumer getting a watch that I was going to use for the next few years, that would probably be what I would do.
00:03:30 ◼ ► As always, I've already got my order in because, you know, I spend too much money on Apple Watches because I need to do it for my job.
00:03:41 ◼ ► That doesn't really do it for me, but the titanium one and thinking, yeah, it's pricey, but it's also pretty.
00:03:47 ◼ ► And if you've been buying the aluminum ones, going to the titanium is like a $400 jump.
00:04:00 ◼ ► Like it is a very, very different, very different calculation if you're going to that level.
00:04:12 ◼ ► So the California face, I feel like the California face is a great, having only used watchOS 6 intently for like a week.
00:04:22 ◼ ► I feel like that face is really great because it's so flexible, because you can change what it does in so many different ways.
00:04:28 ◼ ► And that means that it's one face, but it can look dramatically different based on what you do.
00:04:39 ◼ ► It's a very close is the color issue where California face, unlike other Apple watch faces, doesn't give you the option to set the color.
00:04:51 ◼ ► Of the watch face, uh, in a mode that allows the complications to be multicolor, right?
00:05:08 ◼ ► And the only complaint I have about it is that I would actually prefer my complications to be in color and they're not they're monochrome.
00:05:14 ◼ ► But other than that, um, that actually lets me, it's flexible enough that it lets me get very close to my Apple watch face.
00:05:21 ◼ ► I have to be honest, this last year, I've spent a lot of time using Infograph modular and while it is incredibly functional.
00:05:28 ◼ ► So before I had a series of essentially Swiss army watches that look very much like my ideal Apple watch face with the kind of tasteful.
00:05:46 ◼ ► That was an, it was a nice, again, not expensive, but a nice watch before that I had, you know, a nerd watch.
00:05:55 ◼ ► Um, and Infograph modular is like the calculator watch of Apple watch faces where it's like, it's super nerdy, uh, but super functional.
00:06:05 ◼ ► Uh, and I have been using that a lot the last year, but I, um, I, in the last week I've been using that California face and I like it a lot better.
00:06:17 ◼ ► And I, you know, it's just, and the complications around the side does mean that you don't have the watch hands moving in front of your data certain times of day.
00:06:32 ◼ ► Uh, but again, I would really like it if I had the option to make those complications in color, but otherwise it's very, very close.
00:06:40 ◼ ► So thank you so much to Tom for sending in that question and allowing us to go on a wild couple of tangents there.
00:06:45 ◼ ► If you would like to send on a hashtag snow talk question to open a future episode of the show, just send out a tweet with that hashtag and it may be included.
00:06:55 ◼ ► Um, it, as we are recording today, it is September 16th, 2019, um, which means that depending on what time zone you're in, either today or tomorrow, uh, September 17th is five years of upgrade.
00:07:34 ◼ ► And so it's dated September 17th in the CMS, but it was actually simultaneous with, you know, more or less with the launch of six colors.
00:07:42 ◼ ► I mean, six colors had soft launched just so that it was there and ready to go, but I wasn't pointing people to it until my review stuff dropped.
00:07:57 ◼ ► We talked about it or three weeks ago before all the madness of a draft and then an iPhone event.
00:08:05 ◼ ► But, uh, so you can go back and listen if, if you want to hear us reminisce about that, but, uh, yes, thanks to everybody.
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00:09:10 ◼ ► Uh, I want to thank, you know, all of our podcasting friends here at relay FM and elsewhere.
00:09:20 ◼ ► Um, going into the podcast, a thumb, which is this Friday, September 20th from four to 10 PM Eastern to be close to doubling our original goal is an incredible feeling.
00:09:33 ◼ ► Um, I want to double it and then some now, and that's what I really hope can happen over the, we're only halfway through September.
00:09:55 ◼ ► Jason's actually putting something together for us, which will allow me and Stephen to take a bit of a break, which is awesome.
00:10:00 ◼ ► Um, we are just absolutely blown away by the support of, of our, uh, wider podcasting audience here.
00:10:28 ◼ ► Now, I like the fact that, you know, some people look at this and say, well, come on, they're so far above their goal.
00:10:42 ◼ ► I can exclusively report here that although you guys both told me that you expected to exceed your original goal, you had a second goal in mind that you could unveil.
00:11:08 ◼ ► We hit the $75,000 goal and then hit the $100,000 goal that we had in mind the same day.
00:11:19 ◼ ► So, you know, at this point we're absolutely blown away, but please continue to give, let's just, let's just keep doing this.
00:11:47 ◼ ► Games that people on the stream can participate in is my having, having done some of those over on the incomparable.
00:12:06 ◼ ► Um, I, I had mentioned on the show about not liking the black crown on the ceramic, white ceramic watch.
00:12:26 ◼ ► I feel like there must be a way and I would prefer it if they'd done that, but, but I will say the more that I've been pairing it
00:12:41 ◼ ► It's, it's, it's my job to research the Apple watch configurator so I can report on it on the show.
00:13:01 ◼ ► Uh, Jason wrote a great article about the U1 chip, which goes into depth about the possibilities of this technology.
00:13:09 ◼ ► This is a chip that is in the iPhone, uh, which uses ultra wide band technology, which unlocks a bunch of capabilities
00:13:16 ◼ ► that Apple did not touch on in the keynote and is probably the technology that would underpin.
00:13:31 ◼ ► Uh, so I kind of wanted you to talk about that a little and then maybe share some of your excitement about this technology.
00:13:43 ◼ ► So I knew a little bit about it last week when we talked, but then I talked to this guy who's the, I think, director of marketing for this, for deco way, which is this chip maker that has been, um, making and pushing UWB for a long time.
00:13:57 ◼ ► And you got the sense, I got the sense talking to him that, that there was like this almost celebratory moment of like, even though their chips aren't going in the, in the iPhone, they're like, Oh, it's going to be in every iPhone because what's going to happen.
00:14:15 ◼ ► It means everybody who all these other phone makers like Google and Samsung and HTC, like all these phone makers are on these consortium.
00:14:27 ◼ ► So it's not like this is a, an Apple thing that Apple invented at all, but once it's in the iPhone, I mean, what he said is it feels to him like the moment when they put wifi in the iBook, which, uh, was like, Oh, this is a, this is a thing.
00:14:46 ◼ ► And what's really interesting is unlike, uh, most technologies that are standards based where Apple kind of gets to them when Apple thinks the time is right.
00:15:09 ◼ ► Like I said, last week that, uh, according to the, the bare hardware specs of ultra wide band, you can use ultra wide band to determine the location of a device within 10 centimeters, which is about four inches.
00:15:37 ◼ ► So the idea that this tech, not only does it do data transfer, that's faster than Bluetooth, it's slower than wifi.
00:15:46 ◼ ► Not only is it more secure because it can't be spoofed by amplifying a signal because the it's all based on the speed of light in a round trip.
00:15:54 ◼ ► So a lot of, a lot of hacks of like Bluetooth proximity stuff is you, you get the, uh, you get the transmission from somebody's phone, like in the restaurant, and then you transmit it.
00:16:06 ◼ ► To an, uh, a relay basically that's close to their car and the car unlocks because the car is like, Oh, you're close.
00:16:15 ◼ ► Whereas if it's measuring the, the bounce time of the packets, basically the bounce time, uh, at the speed of light of the radio waves, it knows that that.
00:16:29 ◼ ► Um, it's, it's precise in a way that Bluetooth le is not cause it's, it is all about that, um, that strength of signal.
00:16:37 ◼ ► And so then there are all sorts of applications because you know, my door lock is a smart door lock and it's Bluetooth le and it will sense when my phone is near the lock and it unlocks.
00:16:59 ◼ ► It has to see me exit the area around my house and then see me return and get the Bluetooth signal.
00:17:11 ◼ ► And the reason is otherwise I'm always just around my house and it's like, Oh, you're here.
00:17:21 ◼ ► Um, and it's because, you know, Bluetooth is limited in what it can do with ultra wide band.
00:17:25 ◼ ► You know, theoretically it could actually see you, um, walk away in, in detail, but it also knows literally when you're standing in front of the door on the wrong side of the door.
00:17:36 ◼ ► Uh, and then potentially if you come in and close the door, it can see that you're now inside the house.
00:17:41 ◼ ► And so now it knows your home and not on the wrong side of the door, and then it can lock the door.
00:17:47 ◼ ► Um, whole home audio is a good example where, you know, imagine a future world where when you walk from room to room in a house or an office, the, you know, the audio you're listening to follows you because it knows exactly where you are as opposed to now, where it knows sort of like vaguely where you are or smart home stuff, where it knows that if you're in this room, it's going to prioritize the temperature in that room where it's going to turn on the lights in that room.
00:18:12 ◼ ► And, you know, the home automation can be as complex or not complex as it needs to be, but what you don't have right now, unless you're rigging some occupancy sensors, and even then you don't know who it is.
00:18:27 ◼ ► So there's a lot of potential for stuff like that, that it's just precision AR stuff where you can know exactly where objects are.
00:18:42 ◼ ► And the guy said, he thinks it's a no brainer that it will be in the Apple watch eventually, because ultimately what you want, especially if you're tracking people around a house is real kind of biometric, uh, assureness that the person is where they say they are.
00:19:10 ◼ ► If the simple version of it would be kind of imagine that it's, it's very close pinpoint kind of GPS, especially inside where you can't do GPS.
00:19:24 ◼ ► And the reason that I'm more enthusiastic about it is that Apple is apparently all in on this.
00:19:31 ◼ ► And that's really interesting because that means that they have evaluated it and found it useful for their purposes.
00:19:38 ◼ ► And Apple is a great popularizer of technology like this because once Apple's got it, everybody's gonna want to have it.
00:19:44 ◼ ► I mentioned the, uh, Apple tag a moment ago, like this product that's been rumored a bunch.
00:19:52 ◼ ► And I saw you tweet the other day that you had a pet theory, uh, that it's because of air power is meant one of the reasons they may have delayed the launch.
00:20:05 ◼ ► Well, I, my gut feeling, and this is just a, you know, it's, it is like I said on Twitter, right?
00:20:29 ◼ ► So how does that square with this feeling that the keynote was a little short, that the U1 chip only got mentioned in marketing material and not on stage, even though it's this brand new chip from Apple.
00:20:40 ◼ ► And we know how Apple likes to boast about its prowess and creating new chips with clever names that are a letter followed by a number.
00:20:53 ◼ ► Yeah, you know, I bet the tracker thing just got pulled out at the last minute and that's why it didn't get talked about because this would have been the perfect time to talk about the U1 in the context of the tracking thing.
00:21:20 ◼ ► I think they all had a conversation, you think a little more than one about what happened two years ago when they announced a product that was a piece of hardware that they thought was ready, but was totally not ready.
00:21:40 ◼ ► And that's my pet theory about AirPower is that they thought or not about AirPower, but about Tracker is that AirPower was the lesson and the Tracker is the manifestation of that lesson, which is, you know what?
00:21:55 ◼ ► If we're not a hundred percent confident, if it's not ready, if we've got some issues, if it's not, we're not sure about it, don't announce it.
00:22:04 ◼ ► We can announce it next month at our event that we haven't announced or we can do a press release or we can push it off till next year.
00:22:19 ◼ ► What if they're having some serious problems with the radios or serious problems with the Tracker or the battery life of the Tracker or the chip itself in the Tracker maybe needs to be revised?
00:22:31 ◼ ► All the way to the point of them never releasing it and saying, well, we never said the U1 was going to be anything other than point to point airdrop for now.
00:22:42 ◼ ► So that's that's my theory is that I wonder if this is Apple being careful about product announcements for hardware that they're not ready with because they got so burned with AirPower.
00:22:53 ◼ ► I wanted to touch on Apple Arcade really quickly there, as I just noticed on someone just sent to me that it looks like Apple just had an embargo go out for Apple Arcade.
00:23:09 ◼ ► So some YouTube business and such got briefing time and now they're talking about Apple Arcade.
00:23:17 ◼ ► But I wanted to give some follow out to another show that I do here on Relay FM called remaster, which I host Federico Viticci and Shahid Khan Al Ahmad.
00:23:25 ◼ ► And we did a deep dive into Apple Arcade, kind of what we think about the games that have been announced, some thoughts on some of the developers that have been announced to be involved.
00:23:36 ◼ ► And then also, as we usually do on remaster, which is what makes the show, I think, a little bit unique because Shahid worked for PlayStation for so long and basically worked on projects.
00:23:48 ◼ ► He brings his industry knowledge to talking about this stuff as to why a company might want to go into a deal like this.
00:23:56 ◼ ► And if I'm kind of like talking about, does he actually think that it will be effective overall for the developers?
00:24:15 ◼ ► It would not surprise me if we're about to have the role rolling embargo festival this week where there's a new embargo drop at 9 a.m. every day this week.
00:24:25 ◼ ► Leading up to the phone release, watches, watch iPhone 11, then iPhone 11 pro, you know, all that.
00:24:36 ◼ ► There was some stuff like Entertainment Weekly had a big like they had a bunch of previews as well.
00:24:41 ◼ ► So there's there's been a bunch of stuff going up and this week is probably going to be a lot more.
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00:27:10 ◼ ► So do you remember that weird sounding drama TV show that Apple bought the rights to which Richard Gere was going to be in?
00:27:19 ◼ ► And it was him and another actor I don't think they'd named yet who played elderly Vietnam veterans
00:28:06 ◼ ► Yeah this is one of those things where Apple had given a commitment so Apple has to actually pay a
00:28:26 ◼ ► And that was their note to the producers and the producers like no this is what we want to do
00:28:43 ◼ ► That's what we've got for that one but it's another series coming from a well-known name
00:29:17 ◼ ► I mean this is this is not for me because I looked at this and I thought this description
00:29:44 ◼ ► Apparently a theatrical run for this documentary is also being considered and it's being shown
00:30:01 ◼ ► That's something that you and I have talked about a little bit which is this is not all
00:30:06 ◼ ► It's they're gonna have they're gonna movies but it's not gonna be like a catalog of old
00:30:17 ◼ ► be exclusive to Apple TV plus after that and so they're you know they're they're trying
00:30:30 ◼ ► I reckon they're going to be the movies because this happens quite a lot with documentaries
00:30:40 ◼ ► I think there's an accurate feeling it's entirely accurate that people don't go to see documentaries
00:30:45 ◼ ► in movie theaters very much but they do watch them on streaming and so that's where they
00:30:53 ◼ ► What else have we got Apple TV plus is going to have a web app so we'd wonder what they
00:31:03 ◼ ► get to right like maybe you're on an Android device or maybe you've got a TV that Apple
00:31:11 ◼ ► This is kind of putting to rest as well the idea of Apple's content and whether it's going
00:31:19 ◼ ► Remember we were talking about that right a long time ago like oh they're going to make
00:31:44 ◼ ► see the morning show for example they're both TVMA what that means you know whether it's
00:31:49 ◼ ► going to be violence or nudity or language or a mix of all of them or whatever it's going
00:31:55 ◼ ► to be but these shows are meant for adult audiences so they are going to have that mix.
00:32:00 ◼ ► My guess is and I heard from some people that are like really disappointed by this because
00:32:10 ◼ ► was going to be expensive NBC it was going to be well these are these are family friendly
00:32:16 ◼ ► I think the truth is first off it's not entirely true right like network standards are not
00:32:21 ◼ ► what they were 20 years ago and there's more stuff you can show on network TV not every
00:32:26 ◼ ► network TV show is appropriate for young audiences even though you know there are limits to what
00:32:43 ◼ ► want to shoot at millennials I think they've got an internal idea of what their standards
00:32:48 ◼ ► are and they with the TVMA or caution I think what you're really going to see is failing
00:33:07 ◼ ► are going to allow and so if you're in these kind of ratings boxes that currently exist
00:33:12 ◼ ► something like TVMA my guess is there's stuff that is traditionally thought of as TVMA that
00:33:32 ◼ ► no it's like we just for connected our member special our relay of members special just
00:33:37 ◼ ► posted we watched the Steve Jobs movie the Michael Fassbender movie and that's like rated
00:33:44 ◼ ► R but it's just language there's nothing else in it and I know that language can be difficult
00:33:49 ◼ ► for people right I understand that but I think when people see this they think well this
00:33:53 ◼ ► is just Game of Thrones but it doesn't mean that you know yeah like Jennifer Aniston is
00:34:03 ◼ ► she does it'll be like we won't see it it'll be off camera huh but there's definitely going
00:34:06 ◼ ► to be some some adult oriented themes at least in those shows I'm sure so and I and I get
00:34:19 ◼ ► pick in my content Disney Plus is up and running in the Netherlands now yeah how about that
00:34:26 ◼ ► congratulations Netherlands who is getting a weird like test run of Disney Plus New Zealand
00:34:33 ◼ ► is usually the place that games companies pick for stuff like this but Disney has picked
00:34:37 ◼ ► the Netherlands right now the application is available and it's in the free trial period
00:34:47 ◼ ► showing the interface interface looks really nice but it's been stuff about that before
00:34:51 ◼ ► there's a lot of like interesting ways they categorizing things like a Darth Vader collection
00:34:55 ◼ ► the stuff yeah it's all back catalog right now none of the original content is in there
00:35:00 ◼ ► yet that's still coming in November so there's a lot of stuff it's cool that they're doing
00:35:06 ◼ ► it because we'll get to see it but it would be even nicer if you know I could get it but
00:35:11 ◼ ► I still won't be able to but this also explains why they made that announcement that it was
00:35:16 ◼ ► going to be available in like the US Canada and the Netherlands on day one I thought that
00:35:30 ◼ ► the time but now we get it right now we understand so Netflix fighting back they picked up a
00:35:44 ◼ ► friends but in 2021 they get Seinfeld worldwide streaming rights Seinfeld's on Hulu now I think
00:36:00 ◼ ► deal that they get all the rights I believe but like so you can't even it's like difficult
00:36:06 ◼ ► to even buy digitally in other places like it's like really limited but now Netflix have
00:36:12 ◼ ► picked it up streaming worldwide 180 episodes that's a big get so they're not giving in
00:36:17 ◼ ► for as much as they're losing stuff they're still fighting and this is it you may be asking
00:36:22 ◼ ► yourself well what what's the difference between friends and the office and Seinfeld that those
00:36:32 ◼ ► by Warner Brothers WarnerMedia now the office is owned by NBC Universal Seinfeld is owned
00:36:48 ◼ ► this is great because it's like oh well this is we can be a free agent we can sell this
00:37:06 ◼ ► away to Netflix but oh well that's right because we've seen so many of these deals where everybody
00:37:12 ◼ ► they sell streaming rights away for some long period of time and then they have their own
00:37:16 ◼ ► aspirations and they have regret it's crazy it feels like this may be like yeah because
00:37:22 ◼ ► this means Sony's like this is a crown jewel and they're gonna get a lot of money for it
00:37:25 ◼ ► which is great but what does it say about Sony's aspirations I think it says that Sony's
00:37:29 ◼ ► current management doesn't really think that they're gonna play in these streaming wars
00:37:32 ◼ ► and they're better off selling their selling their catalog to one of the Giants for lots
00:37:37 ◼ ► of cash so here it is so it is believed that Sony I started that Hulu was paying 160 million
00:38:24 ◼ ► on Apple's board - it's true it gets to the point where like it's probably no love loss
00:38:36 ◼ ► he's great we expect to Apple I think said we expect to continue to have our great relationship
00:38:41 ◼ ► with Disney and ABC and all of that like they're very positive about it and so it may be Bob
00:38:48 ◼ ► Iger wants to take that step back in general what happened to Steve Jobs's shares did they
00:38:56 ◼ ► go to the estate or did they go to Apple because that was a whole big thing for a while. No
00:39:01 ◼ ► that was his personal share so no Laureen Powell Jobs may still be one of Disney's larger
00:39:06 ◼ ► share individual shareholders I don't know if she's divested of them or not. I remember
00:39:21 ◼ ► of the relationship especially between Disney and Pixar like the relationship between Bob
00:39:28 ◼ ► Iger and Steve Jobs was was strong and they would make deals with Apple they were I think
00:39:35 ◼ ► the first on board with some of the TV stuff was ABC stuff so it's a long-standing relationship
00:39:41 ◼ ► but it's true they are less aligned in some ways than they used to be I don't think anybody
00:39:50 ◼ ► probably be partners more or less on the fact that they're tying into Apple's data in the
00:39:55 ◼ ► TV app and they're gonna be on Apple's platforms and stuff like that but yeah I think there
00:40:00 ◼ ► comes a time where you say this is weird enough and I'm gonna need to recuse myself from this
00:40:03 ◼ ► portion of Apple's business that maybe it's better that we go our separate ways and just
00:40:07 ◼ ► be kind of partners being partners business partners where it makes sense is a lot different
00:40:12 ◼ ► than having your CEO on the board of somebody who you compete with in some areas so it makes
00:40:16 ◼ ► sense. All right so what else do we have aha this is an interesting story Apple TV Plus
00:40:57 ◼ ► Apple changed how they account for services and hardware being bundled together and what
00:41:02 ◼ ► happens in the revenue reports. Yeah I noticed this because it broke all my charts because
00:41:06 ◼ ► they had to they had to restate their earnings for one previous year which also meant that
00:41:11 ◼ ► all other previous years were no longer using that technique it's very frustrating and it's
00:41:15 ◼ ► it means that my charts my beautiful beautiful charts don't work as well as I wish they did
00:41:20 ◼ ► but it it tweaked something in me when this came up I was like oh you know they did just
00:41:25 ◼ ► change that to take and it's weird right so basically they have decided and I think this
00:41:38 ◼ ► if you include services with hardware you should not allocate all the money to hardware
00:41:44 ◼ ► because you're bundling services in and they're part of the value of the phone and so what
00:41:48 ◼ ► Apple did was they classified some value for the service of providing maps Siri and the
00:41:57 ◼ ► that 5 gig free iCloud account and they amortize that over some period of time that's the life
00:42:11 ◼ ► what it ended up doing was shift the services revenue up and the hardware revenue down a
00:42:22 ◼ ► thousand dollars over the course of time I don't know forty dollars of that or something
00:42:28 ◼ ► is considered services revenue I don't know the actual number now I don't think Apple's
00:42:32 ◼ ► disclosed it is it goes to services that revenue goes to services instead of hardware it's
00:42:43 ◼ ► of it is considered services now those are on all the time so you wouldn't do that with
00:42:51 ◼ ► something like the Apple TV thing but I would imagine that they would you know transfer
00:42:56 ◼ ► some revenue to the services line you have to sign up for it it's one per family so it's
00:43:03 ◼ ► only a percentage a you know a limited percentage of iPhone sold that will that will sign up
00:43:09 ◼ ► for the year of Apple TV plus and those are the only ones they're going to count and I'd
00:43:24 ◼ ► from the iPhone revenue for this iPhone I imagine they have a bundle price or something
00:43:29 ◼ ► that's a discount but still that they're counting it against it but even if it's the full price
00:43:37 ◼ ► the service and that would go towards services revenue so in the end what will happen is
00:43:48 ◼ ► which is another thing we don't know because we don't know how many units they sell and
00:43:59 ◼ ► asking because before the weird thing happened after I wrote this story what people were
00:44:04 ◼ ► really asking was what does this mean in terms of of next year like Apple's deferring services
00:44:11 ◼ ► revenue for a year because they're going to get no revenue from all these free accounts
00:44:15 ◼ ► and is that bad for services revenue in the short term and my answer was kind of not because
00:44:20 ◼ ► there'll be some allocation for it it actually might be worse in the long term than it is
00:44:30 ◼ ► do this for the first year you you put a bunch of money in because everyone's jumping on
00:44:35 ◼ ► that that year free so you're like okay we're gonna take the money from the iPhone put it
00:44:40 ◼ ► into the services bet right and you get like a bunch of like a services part and you get
00:44:43 ◼ ► like a spike of revenue but then a bunch of people don't take it for the second year and
00:44:49 ◼ ► then it goes down again potentially right Apple I guess hoping that with the combination
00:45:00 ◼ ► say what you like about Apple being the perfect company you wish they always were they made
00:45:04 ◼ ► the choice that this is a renewing subscription if you take that year free so they're hoping
00:45:08 ◼ ► they get some people just let it roll in or two that they will have a compelling enough
00:45:18 ◼ ► they're gonna make but if a bunch of people do cancel then it was an interesting and maybe
00:45:22 ◼ ► risky thing to do but we'll have to wait and see on that one yeah somebody at Goldman Sachs
00:45:52 ◼ ► note and I know that the what these like investor notes are always big assumptions but like
00:45:56 ◼ ► this is probably doing what you said we would not do right which is take $4.99 a month and
00:46:01 ◼ ► multiply it by 12 and take that off the price of the iPhone for five years which would be
00:46:12 ◼ ► refuting this claim saying that Apple TV+ will not have a material impact on ASP clearly
00:46:20 ◼ ► Apple knows what amount they can swallow right right or aware of this and they make the decision
00:46:32 ◼ ► their 2018 figures I think you could actually compare it to the previous figures that were
00:46:39 ◼ ► not restated and my calculation was that basically on average iPhone revenue was reduced by 1%
00:46:57 ◼ ► that amount again it'll be less than that yeah yeah I would imagine so so on a thousand
00:47:12 ◼ ► even accounting for the fact that the ASP may have changed anyway right like Apple might
00:47:18 ◼ ► have a margins yeah exactly yes yes for example there's no 3d touch on these models and that
00:47:23 ◼ ► way that had a specific cost that is not there anymore so we don't and we don't know any
00:47:27 ◼ ► of those details so yes right like I cannot imagine that Apple is doing a clever end run
00:47:37 ◼ ► here to gut iPhone revenue to blow up services revenue right we're talking about small numbers
00:48:06 ◼ ► analyst call after the results come out that's how I recognized his name and I thought oh
00:48:10 ◼ ► you're not getting invited on that call this time you're not going to get a question in
00:48:14 ◼ ► this time rod hall you're not going to get a question there's another level of weirdness
00:48:23 ◼ ► partner on Apple card yeah they're independent for financial analysts and all that but it
00:48:31 ◼ ► adds another level of weirdness to the whole thing right we're like that analysts got a
00:48:37 ◼ ► call it's like why'd you do this someone from an interdepartmental memo so you really you
00:48:44 ◼ ► have really given me a bad day I have complained about so IDG's parent company owned an analyst
00:48:50 ◼ ► firm owns an analyst from IDC and we criticized IDC's forecasts by the way IDC's forecast
00:49:05 ◼ ► in two years Android would have like 70% of the smartphone market and Windows Phone would
00:49:12 ◼ ► have 25% or something like that and the iPhone would have 5% it was some it was one of these
00:49:16 ◼ ► or it was actually more egregious than that there's one of these things where it's like
00:49:26 ◼ ► 50% Windows Phone 40% Android 10% and at the time it was ludicrous anyway we would occasionally
00:49:36 ◼ ► refer to some dumb prediction that IDC would make and would I get a call occasionally from
00:49:42 ◼ ► someone higher up in IDG or from someone over at our colleagues at IDC complaining about
00:49:48 ◼ ► us beating them up in public yeah yeah that would happen so I'm sure Rod Hall got a call
00:49:54 ◼ ► from somebody but he's gonna he's gonna say what I said which is you know we're independent
00:50:20 ◼ ► we gonna talk is this upstream become TV reviews I was just about to ask you this question
00:50:33 ◼ ► this I don't really know but like dude do people want us to do that right shall we review
00:50:39 ◼ ► shows I think first reactions of some of these shows might be worth it I don't think we need
00:50:43 ◼ ► to go in depth but I think some first reactions would be good I am hoping and he doesn't even
00:50:51 ◼ ► of TV podcasts over at the incomparable about for all mankind because it's a space show
00:50:56 ◼ ► yeah I talk with him about that even if you just do it on the liftoff but like whatever
00:51:01 ◼ ► like at least I'm really keen to hear you guys talk about that TV show right right because
00:51:07 ◼ ► it's I think that one I think of all of the TV shows that I've seen that one has the most
00:51:12 ◼ ► interesting premise to me the premise is really really good right I mean I've heard a lot
00:51:18 ◼ ► of people like even after last week I still like the premise of see like that it's still
00:51:23 ◼ ► I still find it like intellectually very interesting but for all mankind has the most compelling
00:51:29 ◼ ► one I think of all of the ones that I've seen this is the show in case you need a refresher
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00:53:43 ◼ ► so we mentioned last week that we will talk about this this week and that is Apple software
00:53:58 ◼ ► did a great job of putting this together to have all the release dates I'm very quickly
00:54:01 ◼ ► going to give an overview of what we're going to be seeing over the next couple of weeks
00:54:14 ◼ ► assumed but not known that these are the same thing drop on September 30th tv OS 13 is on
00:54:28 ◼ ► you have a series 1 or 2 watch is coming some point later this year HomePod software update
00:54:34 ◼ ► is on September 30th and Mac OS Catalina is in October now if you remove Mac OS Catalina
00:54:41 ◼ ► from this because Mac OS tends to come a little bit later anyway and has done for the last
00:54:45 ◼ ► few years it was probably expected that iOS iPad OS tv OS watch OS and the HomePod update
00:54:58 ◼ ► was rocky at best they split it right this is the first time Apple's ever done this and
00:55:03 ◼ ► they started beta testing 13.1 before 13 had even reached GM the golden master and I believe
00:55:10 ◼ ► as well so I've had people ask me this question if you are running 13.1 you can actually upgrade
00:55:16 ◼ ► to 13 on the GM like that it will be possible to do this that that is my understanding I
00:55:28 ◼ ► you don't have to is my understanding I need like I haven't had this completely confirmed
00:55:39 ◼ ► okay that is a possibility that I have heard but this you know this is where we are there
00:55:46 ◼ ► are lots of features being pushed 13.1 there's some features that we're expecting for 13
00:55:51 ◼ ► to uneven in 13.1 there and then you look at stuff like there's new cross-platform features
00:55:56 ◼ ► if you look at reminders an Apple arcade right these are supposed to be cross-platform they're
00:56:01 ◼ ► not going to work everywhere on day one reminders is even more tricky because you have to upgrade
00:56:05 ◼ ► reminders database to take advantage of the new things which then means reminders won't
00:56:18 ◼ ► before Catalina devices they will sync but they won't sync together I tested this myself
00:56:30 ◼ ► yet the reminders databases they have completely different tasks they are not seeing each other
00:56:39 ◼ ► you can play these games everywhere but it's only going to be on the iPhone for the best
00:56:43 ◼ ► part of two weeks so armchair analysis time this year right like this is one of the worst
00:56:57 ◼ ► stability across all these devices which is great right like you are better to delay and
00:57:13 ◼ ► they come out right because not a lot of people are really even getting to touch the 13 GM
00:57:21 ◼ ► I actually updated until until the 13 GM came out the most golden master and that's the
00:57:30 ◼ ► one I'm running on it and it's fine it's fine I mean it feels I think pretty stable it's
00:57:35 ◼ ► good it's weird that it is missing all these things that are in the betas but it's it's
00:57:48 ◼ ► I don't know I mean they have a 13 GM and it they have builds of it for all the different
00:57:54 ◼ ► phones so I would imagine that everybody on an iPhone will get the 13.0 build on Thursday.
00:58:22 ◼ ► on the new iPhones might be have a different camera app enabled than the 13 build that's
00:58:31 ◼ ► Possibly yeah but yeah this one has been it's been a bit standout for a lot of the wrong
00:58:48 ◼ ► interlocking services you do have the reminders stuff for example where you need to be on
00:58:57 ◼ ► But you know you can't ship or if you're Apple you can try but it's very very hard to ship
00:59:14 ◼ ► think that there's a level of maturity and them saying you know the iPad things not ready
00:59:22 ◼ ► a little bit so it's one of those things where I feel like they're being grown up about this
00:59:27 ◼ ► and saying look we can't do it you know and we can complain like well you should be able
00:59:31 ◼ ► to do it maybe they should but I also kind of like the idea that they're saying we know
00:59:36 ◼ ► we should but we can't like it would be irresponsible for us to ship what we've got so we're gonna
00:59:43 ◼ ► I think the next shoe to drop is don't conceive of something like Reminders that requires
00:59:57 ◼ ► there's some level of compatibility if you're not gonna if you're gonna stagger your releases
01:00:01 ◼ ► right that that's the next step is don't make assumptions that the releases are not staggered
01:00:05 ◼ ► if they are and Reminders is the perfect example of that which is like literally if you get
01:00:10 ◼ ► this on your iPhone and you press the update button your iPhone and your iPad and you're
01:00:14 ◼ ► not on betas or anything when this release comes out your iPad and iPhone no longer talk
01:00:20 ◼ ► for Reminders if you press that button and if you don't press that button hey Reminders
01:00:24 ◼ ► is here it's new don't press this button because it's not on your iPad yet it's not ideal and
01:00:34 ◼ ► first step is admitting that you have a problem which is that you can't ship everything at
01:00:38 ◼ ► the same time step two is no longer building your software with the plan that everybody's
01:00:42 ◼ ► gonna get the update at the same time because they're not and as Mac users we know that
01:00:49 ◼ ► time as iOS for ever now but iOS 13 does have a lot of features in it that are really great
01:00:56 ◼ ► we've both been using it for a period of time and I wanted to focus on a couple of things
01:01:00 ◼ ► about that we're excited about I want to talk about some things that are in iOS 13 but I
01:01:06 ◼ ► haven't got to use yet and then we're gonna then you're gonna talk about some of the things
01:01:09 ◼ ► that you have enjoyed using most already in iOS 13 so I have a small list of stuff Apple
01:01:15 ◼ ► Arcade I cannot wait to see these games Jason I am the closer we get the more excited I'm
01:01:21 ◼ ► getting because it seems like Apple surprise didn't do a great job of talking about the
01:01:28 ◼ ► games that they have on this service I think a lot of it may have been in their defense
01:01:35 ◼ ► I think maybe a lot of games were like waiting to be completely finished or they're rolling
01:01:39 ◼ ► out like a couple of days later or for whatever reason they went with what they went with
01:01:48 ◼ ► still like it seems like there's going to be an us to game there's creators of Monument
01:01:52 ◼ ► Valley coming later this week right they have like a game that nobody has seen anything
01:01:57 ◼ ► about that's dropping as part of Apple Arcade I am really excited to dig into some of these
01:02:02 ◼ ► games I keep seeing teasers there is a Twitter account called I think killer cow who has
01:02:10 ◼ ► been compiling all of this stuff if you're interested in seeing the games that they used
01:02:14 ◼ ► to work at touch arcade and pocket gamer if you are interested in seeing some of the games
01:02:32 ◼ ► this and it seems like just the more and more I find out about it the more and more I stand
01:02:37 ◼ ► firm in my assertion that this is the best value streaming like subscription for service
01:02:41 ◼ ► that Apple has so I'm really excited about that multiple Windows support on iPad OS this
01:02:48 ◼ ► is something I haven't really been able to play with very much because most of the apps
01:03:03 ◼ ► and how long that's going to take to update but once all those start coming out I'm really
01:03:07 ◼ ► excited about that because I think it's going to be a great way to change some of my workflows
01:03:19 ◼ ► really keen to try Joanna Stern did a really good article about that seems like she got
01:03:24 ◼ ► some access to some sign in with Apple apps and also as well I saw that Apple had clarified
01:03:50 ◼ ► great dark mode in more applications I absolutely love iOS dark mode I will leave it on all
01:04:11 ◼ ► people more tools to enable that so I'm excited about that I've been using that in timing
01:04:16 ◼ ► mode where it's sunrise sunset basically is dark mode comes on on my iPad because I don't
01:04:22 ◼ ► use dark mode at all on my Mac and I've liked it I've actually liked it so I think that's
01:04:32 ◼ ► night it's dark mode that works for me and also reminders I haven't really given reminders
01:04:44 ◼ ► possible for me to move from Todoist to reminders I want to give that a really good try I am
01:04:59 ◼ ► read Federico's chapter in his review on that and two so I can really get the full beats
01:05:05 ◼ ► because I think he's been using it like it's been like really using it and has moved to
01:05:09 ◼ ► it of course so I you know because I know he always tries stuff out but I actually don't
01:05:15 ◼ ► notice for sure but from the hints that I've gotten from him is he has moved to reminders
01:05:20 ◼ ► so I'm willing to give that a go as well because I don't use over time I have I use less and
01:05:34 ◼ ► to up having the issue of not wanting to upgrade my Mac but that's just a thing I'm going to
01:05:40 ◼ ► have to deal with and write like I don't mind I mean really all I ever do on my Mac is mark
01:05:47 ◼ ► off a task but I never I'm never at my Mac without an iOS device being around so I don't
01:05:53 ◼ ► think it's going to be a problem we'll find out maybe that will be the thing that makes
01:05:56 ◼ ► me move to Catalina we'll see but I am these are some of the things I'm excited about Jason
01:06:01 ◼ ► yeah sounds good those those are all you know I'm not as excited about those things as you
01:06:07 ◼ ► but I am still interested in them I'm very interested in Apple Arcade and multiple windows
01:06:12 ◼ ► I have yet to actually find find a scenario where I really embrace it but that's partially
01:06:24 ◼ ► exactly like one app that I've seen that looks really interesting in that regard again I've
01:06:29 ◼ ► I've only seen like videos of it is drafts right so the the drafts app the the like text
01:06:37 ◼ ► app there's a lot of interesting stuff that agile tortoise the developer seems to be doing
01:06:43 ◼ ► with multiple and stuff like you can I because I didn't even know you could do this you can
01:06:52 ◼ ► you could do that and then you can have like live markdown previews alongside your text
01:06:57 ◼ ► so I think this is one of those things where I'm in very intrigued to see what developers
01:07:03 ◼ ► are able to do with the multiple windows support like are there weird and wonderful things
01:07:16 ◼ ► list together me and Dan Morin of our features that we were excited about and rolled it out
01:07:22 ◼ ► as a beginning of a series on six colors that's the 13 13 features of iOS 13 because what
01:07:28 ◼ ► we're not going to do is write tens of thousands of words about iOS somebody else's on that
01:07:40 ◼ ► rather than writing like a mega review of iOS 13 again somebody else has got that covered
01:07:56 ◼ ► know what I can't do this I'm going to triage this I'm going to pick some features that
01:07:58 ◼ ► are my favorites and I'm going to write about those and so we're going to do well let's
01:08:08 ◼ ► the 13 features of iOS 13 so first one I wrote about it's already up is shortcuts which is
01:08:14 ◼ ► just the shortcuts updates are great and they're going to get even better like shortcuts in
01:08:20 ◼ ► iOS 13 they make more sense visually because they're sort of phrased like sentences so you
01:08:27 ◼ ► can see sort of like what a block in shortcuts is doing and where it's getting the information
01:08:32 ◼ ► from which used to be implied but not explicit and it also allows you to replace that you
01:08:46 ◼ ► to bottom so it's sort of like this step then this step then this step then this step it
01:08:49 ◼ ► used to be the assumption was it was always taking from the previous step and if that's
01:08:55 ◼ ► not what you wanted you wanted to grab something from somewhere else you had to like insert
01:09:19 ◼ ► I like that a lot I like that it's not quite a shortcuts feature but shortcuts are in the
01:09:27 ◼ ► favorite shortcuts up at the top which means that now it's like one very easy tap to get
01:09:33 ◼ ► to your most important shortcuts which makes them way better likewise the widgets on the
01:09:46 ◼ ► and I can just run some shortcuts from the home screen and I don't need to open up shortcuts
01:09:49 ◼ ► and find that shortcut it's in the widget I tap it it runs and we're done which is really
01:10:21 ◼ ► your home kit server in the house for home automation stuff that's a little more complex
01:10:25 ◼ ► than what's currently there so you know there's a lot of really good stuff in shortcuts I've
01:10:34 ◼ ► Yeah I've yet to really dig in to the shortcut stuff because again I've been waiting to see
01:10:42 ◼ ► This is the thing the potentially the single biggest thing that's happening in shortcuts
01:10:46 ◼ ► is something that you can't see until the apps get updated because apps can now it used
01:10:51 ◼ ► to be everything that you did with app automation was from the clipboard or from a URL that
01:10:56 ◼ ► had a bunch of data inside it and now in iOS 13 apps can actually pass data and ask for
01:11:14 ◼ ► data around instead of the old way of cheating by putting it on the clipboard or in URLs
01:11:19 ◼ ► but to really take advantage of that you need to have your key apps be updated to support
01:11:39 ◼ ► 13 and then the step after that is look at catalyst so just as this has been an interesting
01:11:45 ◼ ► summer for Apple and its beta release cycle and all of that I think not all the apps that
01:11:57 ◼ ► launch day I think that a lot of developers are trying to make sure that their apps run
01:12:10 ◼ ► the Photos app that are really good a lot of new editing features in the Photos app that
01:12:17 ◼ ► it's not quite a match for the Mac version but it's getting close I don't know why they
01:12:43 ◼ ► this it's amazing I'm going to write this up at some point I think that it has not been
01:12:54 ◼ ► a photo in Photos and you share it to Pixelmator Photo and you edit it and then you go back
01:13:09 ◼ ► is and it works and so you can most apps the way they work with Photos is you share a photo
01:13:16 ◼ ► out and then they'll add it as a new photo in your Photos library but Pixelmator Photos
01:13:21 ◼ ► will actually add it as the new latest version of your existing photo that it's based on
01:13:26 ◼ ► in your Photos library it's so good and it's got that retouching brush so that it'll do
01:13:44 ◼ ► and yeah it's great so I you know why is that on the Photos app I don't know but there's
01:13:56 ◼ ► stuff I have a lot of iPad stuff like the Files app and the pinned widgets that I mentioned
01:14:00 ◼ ► with shortcuts like I really like those those are iPad features the desktop browsing in
01:14:09 ◼ ► my god Safari is so good. Yeah it's not perfect but it is a real transformation of the iPad
01:14:16 ◼ ► experience to have more desktop-y Safari. I like Find My. I like the Find My app. I like
01:14:50 ◼ ► that there. CarPlay this is a thing that now it's on my primary iPhone that I can use a
01:14:56 ◼ ► little bit more is the new CarPlay is so much better than the old CarPlay especially the
01:15:00 ◼ ► dashboard appearance where you can see the map and you're now playing and like it's and
01:15:16 ◼ ► a really nice experience because CarPlay is better it's like a major update for CarPlay
01:15:29 ◼ ► stuff that you need the Apple keyboard for the Apple keyboard as the first-party keyboard
01:15:34 ◼ ► is the one that you know you keep coming back to the Apple keyboard because it is the one
01:15:41 ◼ ► that Apple demands in certain circumstances it Apple assumes that it's there and all my
01:15:54 ◼ ► of the standard Apple keyboard is very nice it took them a long time to get here but they
01:16:04 ◼ ► default. Still missing one feature to bring me back from Gboard and that's emoji search
01:16:20 ◼ ► I love about Gboard swipe typing emoji search and a better autocorrect or like at least
01:16:25 ◼ ► a dictionary I find it to be much more relevant to what I need a lot of the time but yeah
01:16:30 ◼ ► it's just a shame that they've not done anything on emoji search I don't I feel like at this
01:16:35 ◼ ► point it's going to be a one more thing like I can't even imagine what's holding them back
01:16:41 ◼ ► I think they believe that the quick type thing where you type the name of the emoji and it
01:17:02 ◼ ► very good about assigning alternative meanings to what an emoji is right right and so yeah
01:17:16 ◼ ► coming this week I would expect on next week's show we will have a little bit more to say
01:17:20 ◼ ► about it when we finally get our hands on apps that could support it as well as talking
01:17:26 ◼ ► about our new iPhones and maybe Apple watches who knows so I'm very excited about next week's
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01:19:20 ◼ ► I mean it's a much larger display and there are so many other issues I feel like the way
01:19:38 ◼ ► display feels to me like Apple learned a lot of lessons when they built the promotion display
01:19:46 ◼ ► a skill in and that perhaps aided them in building the Apple watch display. So I'm sure
01:19:57 ◼ ► the panels as well and you got to have a panel that's large enough for this but yeah I think
01:20:12 ◼ ► had a variable frame rate iPhone display a promotion iPhone display which we still don't
01:20:17 ◼ ► have that does work both ways they could crank it up to super smooth but they could also
01:20:40 ◼ ► and he says it's just absolutely unbelievable and it's doing some stuff like you can change
01:20:45 ◼ ► some of the like the refresh rates and stuff but a screen that can really like completely
01:20:51 ◼ ► adapt in this way could allow Apple to do that without needing to change too much about
01:20:57 ◼ ► this is a thick phone like as a massive battery and it will last for days right like he's
01:21:02 ◼ ► you know it's another thing but I probably doesn't want to make a phone that's this thick
01:21:05 ◼ ► but the LTPO display or that technology could help them in the future. I do think that there
01:21:16 ◼ ► the screen. And maybe some very you know having the notifications there in a very kind of
01:21:23 ◼ ► like power friendly way and they're not there yet that's a big screen and the tech is complicated
01:21:26 ◼ ► so you know 2020 iPhones I doubt it but you never know and I'm not sure there's a one-to-one
01:21:32 ◼ ► there because the Apple watch is a very different thing but I would say that Apple is always
01:21:36 ◼ ► learning from the requirements of one of Apple's products will often feed into knowledge that
01:21:43 ◼ ► allows them to do something similar on their other products because a lot of their goals
01:21:47 ◼ ► are aligned right like having better screens and having better battery life and using less
01:21:57 ◼ ► are different so you know I'm sure it has informed them and that we'll see that elsewhere.
01:22:04 ◼ ► James asks will the iPhone 11 Pro clear case fit the iPhone XS? I want a clear case but
01:22:23 ◼ ► got the extra mile you've gone the extra mile this week. So I have okay so I have let everybody
01:22:40 ◼ ► really weird. It fits but the buttons have moved. So the buttons so the sleep wake button
01:22:57 ◼ ► so it while it fits all the buttons are being pressed so no it kind of doesn't work because
01:23:09 ◼ ► on the back. James other companies make clear cases you can if you really want one that
01:23:13 ◼ ► bad I recommend you get one that's actually made for your phone. Yes. But yeah I was surprised
01:23:19 ◼ ► about that the button placement appears to have changed from the XS to the 11. For some
01:23:26 ◼ ► reason I never thought that that stuff changed. Well I mean when the camera bump changes as
01:23:39 ◼ ► does right like and I just never know because why would I know but those buttons have moved.
01:23:52 ◼ ► on the XS and thinking it's not quite like you could kind of force it but it was a little
01:23:56 ◼ ► bit bigger I think. Yeah. So yeah it was yeah it was possible but this is even less possible
01:24:03 ◼ ► because your volume buttons won't work anymore. That's not good. Not good. Peter asks the
01:24:19 ◼ ► like it can be slightly different depending on regulatory bodies the backs of the iPhones
01:24:24 ◼ ► in Europe are not clear they have they still have regulatory symbols on them. Interesting.
01:24:51 ◼ ► the previous year's iPhone will have no bearing. Agreed. Alright our next question comes from
01:24:58 ◼ ► Andrew what are your current odds on a new Apple TV being unveiled in October? Well there
01:25:17 ◼ ► thing I doubt it's something you want to wait around for. I can't imagine what they're gonna
01:25:29 ◼ ► very very mild upgrade where they're upgrading some of the internals but it's not it's still
01:25:47 ◼ ► very low that you're gonna care. Yeah okay I guess this is one of the things where it's
01:25:52 ◼ ► like if you can wait then wait but don't worry about it at the same time I think is kind
01:25:59 ◼ ► of what I like you know what I mean like if you if you don't have one and you don't need
01:26:03 ◼ ► one immediately just wait until the TV shows start popping out because they won't release
01:26:08 ◼ ► something after that and like it's not gonna be like November 5th there's gonna be a new
01:26:12 ◼ ► Apple TV they'll do it before TV+ so if you can wait then wait that would be my my feeling
01:26:26 ◼ ► if it's not the new reminders so we were talking about this earlier no you you can't do that
01:26:44 ◼ ► some of the new features. You can use it you're gonna have a little button that says upgrade
01:27:09 ◼ ► do it and you get to use some of the features of reminders before you move over but basically
01:27:17 ◼ ► yes you you can you will just keep getting bugged because Apple can't assume that everybody
01:27:23 ◼ ► who's got a new iPhone is running the latest version of their OS everywhere else and so
01:27:27 ◼ ► they can nag you about it but that's all they can do. Joel wants to know are you getting
01:27:31 ◼ ► a green iPhone Pro? You got to read the second part because it's a joke. It's a real Slofies
01:27:38 ◼ ► choice. Yeah Joel I don't even want to answer your question because you made you said Slofies
01:27:52 ◼ ► green not a color that I'm very good at among the colors but I'm kind of a blue guy if it
01:28:00 ◼ ► was a midnight blue iPhone I would be all over it but instead I am getting a space gray
01:28:27 ◼ ► color. Go for the gold. Go for the gold Michael you're going for gold and Adina is getting
01:28:40 ◼ ► is ordered her college going away to college get a new phone phone very exciting her first
01:28:59 ◼ ► one would I buy and purple is the one I would go for out of the colors. And finally today
01:29:12 ◼ ► C the TV show. It seems incredibly unlikely to me because it's basically a post-apocalyptic
01:29:18 ◼ ► setting so I don't think they're gonna have phones but this did make me want to ask the
01:29:23 ◼ ► question what is Apple product placement going to look like in its TV shows. I would not
01:29:28 ◼ ► be surprised if everybody in Apple's TV shows is uses iPhones and Macs. That's actually
01:29:33 ◼ ► not surprising because I mean maybe not the Russians and for all mankind. What about like
01:29:42 ◼ ► the morning show like they all gonna be using Macs? Yeah they're all gonna have iMacs and
01:29:52 ◼ ► products anyway right? Yes that's that's what I was gonna say is that this is actually not
01:30:02 ◼ ► consideration for an Apple. Like I'm watching Brooklyn 99 at the moment and that's always
01:30:11 ◼ ► it's one of those TV shows that actually understands how phones look when you use them right that
01:30:16 ◼ ► when you're on a phone call to somebody you're not looking at the lock screen right right
01:30:25 ◼ ► in that show. And when you hold the phone to your head it is not lit up. Exactly exactly.
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