280: De Niro Can’t Bend
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From Relay FM, this is Upgrade, episode 280. Today's show is brought to you by
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Hullo, ExpressVPN and Booz Allen. My name is Myke Hurley. I am joined by Jason Snow. Hi Jason Snow.
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Hi Myke Hurley, how are you? I'm fine and dandy, my friend, fine and dandy. I have a hashtag SnowTalkQuestion.
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Comes from James this week and James wants to know, "Jason, what is your favorite gluten-free beer?"
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Oh my, well this is a very targeted question, isn't it? So it is, you're the man, you're the man with the answer.
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For those who don't know, it's a long story that I don't enjoy at all, but at the advice of my doctor,
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I have been told to not have gluten in my diet anymore. It's a lot, I don't even want to get into it.
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People ask me, "Do you feel better?" Because it's been like seven months now that I've done gluten-free.
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I was like, "No, that's the problem. I have no symptoms." But they told me that I'm allergic to it.
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So okay, great. Just stop drinking regular beer, start drinking beer brewed with weird, weird, weird grains.
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And I have tried a bunch of different ones, although a lot of people on Twitter were suggesting ones that are not available in California,
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which doesn't really help me. I'll look for them when I travel. But something I did find that was available in California
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actually comes from Canada, comes from Montreal. It is the hilariously named Glutenburg Brewery.
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I would drink this beer because the name is so good.
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It's great, and they have these little pint cans with the kind of German writing on them that say "Glutenburg."
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Anyway, the Glutenburg Stout is my favorite style of beer, and the Glutenburg Stout is good. It's not great.
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It's not nearly as good as some of my favorite Stouts back when I could have gluten, but it's good.
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And they have a Gose, which is a kind of a light beer with sort of citrusy things in it.
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That's great, like legitimately great. Like, I would drink that whether or not I had a gluten thing, because it's really good.
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And so those are the two that I think are my favorites. I have tried others.
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And I will share a last little bit of trivia about this, which is I've gotten a lot of people saying,
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"Have you tried these beers where they brew them normally and then they use this clarifying enzyme that removes the gluten from them?"
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Which, like, Omission does that, and the Stone gluten-free beer does that.
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And the answer is, technically those aren't gluten-free. They have gluten in them.
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They are very low in gluten because of the enzyme, but there are still traces of gluten.
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And if you're somebody who's just sort of like on a diet, you can do that.
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But if you're somebody who is supposed to have zero gluten in their diet, you can't drink those beers.
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They're not really gluten-free. You need to drink a beer that's not brewed with wheat or barley.
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I guess that it's the same as like non-alcoholic beer, right?
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There's still like a tiny amount of alcohol left because you can only remove so much of it, right?
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Yeah, and I don't know what the rules are for that or whether it's an acceptable level or not,
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but since this is technically an allergy, you're not supposed to increase the thing that you're allergic to.
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I don't—like, it's not good for me to just have a little bit of peanuts in the same way that it is for me to have lots of peanuts.
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Like, just don't eat the peanuts.
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What we do, Myke, with this peanut beverage is we make it with peanuts,
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and then we have a chemical that removes most of the peanuts.
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And you're like, "You know what? I am not going to have that.
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I've got to draw the line right there."
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Anyway, I have been drinking a lot in terms of alcohol anyway.
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I can drink wine, and I've been drinking more cider, but just to get my alcohol content—
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Cider's good. Cider's good. There's lots of great options for cider.
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Yeah, but I don't want to give up beer entirely.
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So anyway, there's your gluten-free beer talk.
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I endorse Glutenburg. Thank you, Canada. Thank you, Quebec.
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If you would like to send in a #snowtalk question like James did,
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just send out a tweet with the hashtag #snowtalk, and it may be included in a future episode.
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I have a couple of quick items. Well, one item for follow-up.
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We've got something to say about it.
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I ordered one of the Brydge Pro Plus keyboards.
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I ordered one for my 11-inch.
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I believe I should get it within the next few weeks.
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I think they started shipping in February.
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So yeah, that's the one that I can see myself more frequently using the trackpad,
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because my larger iPad, I do tend to use just at home.
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So I use it, as I spoke about last week, with like a mouse in a stand.
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But my 11-inch, I treat more like a laptop, right?
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Like it is my travel iPad.
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It's like the one that I would take with me when I go work anywhere or I'm traveling anywhere.
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So I can imagine wanting the integrated trackpad more there.
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But yeah, so I ordered the 11-inch model.
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All right. Interesting.
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I have hopefully a review unit coming off the assembly line.
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I only used the prototype, so I'm curious to see what they tweak.
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Because the prototypes, you know, they're not quite right.
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The firmware is not quite right.
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And even like the tension in the mounting clips and stuff is not always quite right.
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So I'm looking forward to seeing what a fully functional Brydge Pro Plus is like sometime soon.
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I don't know.
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Oh, I wouldn't mind a review unit for my larger one, though.
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You know, it's great when they send you stuff.
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Yeah, they have been pretty good about that stuff, though, in the past.
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But I'm really excited about it because, you know, as I said last week,
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I really am a proponent for even the mouse support in its current form.
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I know that there are features that are lacking.
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And I know that yourself, right, you think that it's maybe not that great.
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But I really value it now.
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So I would like to have that option more readily available to me.
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So I'm really excited about it.
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I mentioned you in my Not By Name in my Macworld story.
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I think last week where I said that I wanted Apple.
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It was sort of keying off of what we talked about last week,
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the idea that the mouse support should be better, but there's a lot you can do.
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And then it might lead to Apple potentially doing something more than the smart keyboard
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for the iPad Pro.
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If you could do better touch support or point device support, you could then put a pointer
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controller of some sort on a smart keyboard, and that would be better for Apple.
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But one of the things I mentioned in passing is there's lots of different kinds of accessibility.
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And I mentioned you Not By Name and just said that there's somebody I know who has,
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you know, like RSI issues.
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And, you know, having pointing device for that person so they don't have to reach up
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and touch the screen, that's like a legitimate reason to do this kind of thing.
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So you have a perfectly legitimate use of it.
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Whereas for me, I feel like when I try to use the mouse,
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I feel like I'm doing more harm to my arms than good.
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But everybody's body is different.
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- Yeah. Yeah.
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It's like, you know, if I use a mouse for too long, then it can cause me trouble.
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I just have to rotate my input methods.
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And that's why I really like having this as an option.
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All right. So should we do some upstream, Jason?
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Now I feel like I'm in a really good place for upstream.
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- Ladies and gentlemen, now live from Beverly Hills,
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it's upstream hosted by Myke Hollywood Hurley.
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- That's a very good intro for upstream.
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And it's not a joke.
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I am sitting right now located in Beverly Hills, high in the hills of Beverly Hills.
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That's where I am right now, Jason.
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And I wanted to say that it's very funny driving around here,
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this kind of part of Beverly Hills, LA, these kinds of areas,
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because there are billboards for TV shows everywhere.
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They are everywhere.
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Like every billboard is a television show.
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And that is, I mean, I know you see advertising for this type of stuff in all big cities,
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but it feels very different here.
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It feels much more like oppressive.
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- Well, it's a company town.
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It's an industry town.
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- Yes, it is.
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I mean, we drove past like the Fox lot and stuff like that.
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Is it Century City?
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So like we've driven through there and we've seen some of that stuff when we was in a taxi.
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But what I like is a lot of the billboards at the moment say,
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"For your consideration," which is funny.
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They're appealing to the Academy.
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Come on Academy, give us the awards.
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So speaking of which you got to be in Beverly Hills in Hollywood, let's say more or less,
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for this morning's, as we record this, Academy Award nominations.
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- I'm reporting live.
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- Academy, I don't know.
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Did you get any nominations yourself?
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- Still waiting.
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I'm still waiting to see.
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They told me to call me.
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So I'm waiting on that one.
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- My bad news, the ones for this year are already out.
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So don't hold your breath.
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- Oh, that's unfortunate.
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- You're going to have to wait at least one more year for your Oscar nomination.
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- I'll keep working on it.
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But Netflix, as you would assume, are leading the Academy Award nominations because they
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produce the most movies of all of the streaming companies that we talk about, right?
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Like, you know, Amazon, Apple, they have some, but Netflix really, and especially in 2019,
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really pushed with movies, original movie content.
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They have 10 nominations for The Irishman and Marriage Story as well received a bunch.
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And these are the two movies, I think, that have occupied the vast majority of the water cooler
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conversation, right?
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Like, I feel like I've seen a lot of people talking about these.
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I've only seen The Irishman, which I am predisposed to love this movie because Martin
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Scorsese's movies are among my very favorite movies of all time, especially when they feature
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De Niro and Pesci, right?
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Like, they are absolutely my favorites.
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And so I actually really enjoyed The Irishman.
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It is not, you know, it is not Goodfellas.
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Like, Goodfellas, it is not.
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- But it is a very, very good movie.
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The special effects in that movie where they're doing a lot of aging, it's really impressive,
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but I still can't help but notice it all the time.
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- Because I'm aware of the truth.
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And so I find it distracting still, even though this was like, you could fool me.
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And there are points where I was definitely fooled watching this movie thinking that like,
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"Oh, this is Joe Pesci now, but no, this is like Joe Pesci what he would have looked like
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15 years ago."
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Like, it is very, very impressive.
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This is the most impressive of that technology, use of that technology that I've seen, but
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I still can't help but be aware of it.
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You know what I mean?
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Yeah, no, I get it.
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That's always the debate with de-aging and with virtual characters.
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Like, I was just listening over the weekend to the Flop House guys were on,
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or Elliott Kaelin anyway, was on the Star Wars Minute a couple months ago, and they were
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talking about Rogue One, and they were talking about the Peter Cushing double that they used
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And it's that great debate of like, if people don't know, you may not notice, you may let
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it go by you, and then other people know.
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And once you know, you kind of can't not see it, but that doesn't necessarily mean that
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it might be on us for looking forward or for being like, "I'm so aware of this actor that
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I'm aware if I'd never seen this actor before, I wouldn't know whether they had been maybe
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aged up or aged down or whatever, but instead I know exactly what these actors look like
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at various phases of their life."
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And it's a challenge.
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- Can I ask you about this actually?
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'Cause there's also a really interesting, it's called like, In Conversation With on
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It's just like a 25-minute DVD extra basically of Pacino, Pesci, De Niro, and Scorsese sitting
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down and they're talking about the movie.
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And they talk about this technology a lot and they touch on the idea of, you know, like,
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if we didn't have this technology, we wouldn't be able to do this movie and we'd have to
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have somebody younger come in and we'd have to teach them to be like us and like, like
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to act like us.
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- And they were like, "That doesn't work the same way."
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And I kind of wonder, what is your, this is maybe a little bit of a hot button issue,
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I don't know, but what is your general feel on this type of technology, this like de-aging
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Do you think that it is like holding back younger actors?
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Because my kind of feeling on this is like, I understand that argument where they're like,
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"Oh, if you're using all this technology to make people younger or older, you are holding
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back the roles from other people."
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But my, I understand that, but I feel like these days there are more opportunities for
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more movies than there's ever been before.
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But it's like, it's a bit of a weird, it's like a weird thing that's happening right
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now, but I don't know if it's necessarily having that negative effect.
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- So two things, one is I feel like the history of film from the very beginning is about pushing
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technology to tell stories in different ways.
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- Because they talk about like, "Oh, we could have just used makeup."
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- Yeah, I mean, and there are, there's some great, like people should follow Todd Vizziero
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He posts out some great stuff.
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There's a video of like how they did this shot in a silent movie in the like '20s, I
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think, where there's like a mirror.
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And I mean, it is for a hundred plus years, movies have been about fakery in order to tell
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the story they want to tell.
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So I think it's funny when people are like, "Oh, there's too much of this CGI or too much
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of this de-aging happening now.
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Like I want to see it the way, first off, you don't, a lot of it you don't even know.
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Like I want to see this movie that doesn't use it, that's really great."
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And it's like, that movie totally uses it too.
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You just don't know because you're not looking for it again to get back to like, if you don't
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know to look for it, you may not even notice that it's there.
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But also it's the history of film that they do this.
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There is no point where you could legitimately draw a line and say, "Well, this far, but
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no further."
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I think that this is just how it is.
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They're always trying.
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Some of it works, some of it doesn't.
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The tech keeps getting better.
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And then we find something new to complain about because the thing that we used to complain
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about is now so good that we all just kind of take it for granted.
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So that's one thing.
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And then the other thing is you talk about opportunity for, are there not opportunities
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for younger actors because of de-aging technology?
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And it actually makes me chuckle a little bit because the truth is Hollywood is famous
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for discarding older people because everybody needs to be young.
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Oh yeah, good point.
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That's a very good point.
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I would say there's plenty of opportunity for young, beautiful people.
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And that if some-
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There's now, with this technology, more opportunity for older actors.
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For older, you know?
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I mean, seriously.
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Now I do have those moments where I was reading articles about the Irishman and I was thinking,
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Like, maybe you do want to do more body doubles.
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Maybe this is something that people learn over time is that you can de-age people, but
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you can't de-age the old man body.
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You could de-age his face.
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They actually had this conversation.
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It was fascinating.
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Yeah, because it's like De Niro can't bend like he used to.
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They were saying, there were times where they had to stop.
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Like, Scorsese was like, "No, like, Bob, you are supposed to be 20 years younger.
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You need to walk down these stairs more quickly."
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Like, and it seemed to be quite difficult for them.
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It's like they had to push themselves physically more than they normally would because there
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are times where they have to act like they're 45, not 75.
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So maybe they end up with more-
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Maybe these are all lessons that are learned and that in the end, they're like, "Okay,
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we're going to do this scene with a body double and face replacement.
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And we're going to do this scene where you're just standing there, where we're just going
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to use you entirely and de-age you."
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And those are all, as weird as that sounds, those are all tools.
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Those are all paint brushes in the tool kit of the artist.
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They're all colors of the palette, whatever metaphor you want to use.
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They are all tools that can be used to make the final result look right.
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And maybe they learn over time that some of the physical acting of older actors who need
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to be de-aged need to be-
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Some of the physical acting needs to be done by a body double instead, and they'll figure
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But I'm not worried about Hollywood discarding young, pretty actors.
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Anyway, getting back to the note at hand, I lost my body and Klaus, who I've nominated
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for the animated feature.
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Yeah, so two of the five, I think, nominations for best animated feature are Netflix animated
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Frozen 2 didn't get nominated, by the way.
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I watched Klaus over the holidays.
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It's a cute movie.
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The animation is beautiful, and the story is fine.
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Like, it's a funny little movie.
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It's actually pretty good, actually.
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Like, for an animated feature which includes no property that I've ever heard of before,
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Like, I actually think it did a good job of creating something pretty original.
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I'm going to give my endorsement, by the way, in this category for a movie called Missing
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Link, which a lot of people missed.
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It's actually a stop motion animation movie.
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So it's in the style of, like, Aardman, but it's not.
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It's actually the guy who did-
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Oh, what was his previous movie?
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Para Norman and Coraline.
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Coraline, yeah, sure.
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And Para Norman, which is a-
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If you have kids, you know about Para Norman.
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Anyway, but Missing Link, really good, really good.
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It's like, it's a movie about a Sasquatch who's adorable.
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So Netflix has the most nominations.
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That's interesting.
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You've been listening to us talk about it on an upstream.
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You probably are not too surprised.
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This was inevitable, really.
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Another angle that you may have not been surprised by, because you've been listening to us, is
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one of the nominees is American Factory.
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And that's notable because essentially that's the Academy inviting Barack and Michelle Obama
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to the Oscars, because that's the- literally the first release from Higher Ground Productions
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to Netflix as part of their deal with Netflix, and it got nominated for Best Doc.
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This one missed me.
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I had no idea that this stuff had even begun.
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Like, I was waiting to hear about the fact that they had things on the way.
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I've not heard anything about this at all.
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So, yeah, there you go.
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And congratulations, Amazon Studios.
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They got one nomination.
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Hey, they got a nomination, though.
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What did they get the nomination for?
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Les Misérables, I think.
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Good for them, I suppose.
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Yeah, I know.
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But still, Netflix, this is the- I think it's interesting because we had these conversations
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about how the movie industry's like, "Well, I don't know about Netflix.
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Should we change the rules?"
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Remember Steven Spielberg's like, "Change the rules so Netflix can't be nominated."
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And you know what happened next?
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They got 24 nominations.
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So, here we are.
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Also, I feel at this point, Spielberg, look at who's working with Netflix.
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You can't ignore them anymore.
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Yeah, that's okay.
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When they were new movies from up-and-coming directors, you can try and use your clout
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to ignore people.
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But when Scorsese's making a movie which is nominated for Best Picture and it comes from
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Netflix, you have to ignore where it's coming from now because the establishment is now
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moving into the streaming services.
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So, there's nothing you can do about it, right?
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Like, I feel like at this point, you have to accept it.
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To your point about the people like Martin Scorsese making these movies, I think there's
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an argument- we may have made it at the time when Spielberg was complaining about this.
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Like, there's an argument to be made that given the kind of movies that get put in theaters
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these days, there's a whole class of movies sort of like these mid-level movies and more
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prestige movies that don't get much time in theaters.
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And so, I think Netflix and Amazon and Apple and whoever else is funding stuff for their
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streaming services.
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Like, movies are getting made and seen that would otherwise not get made and seen.
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Look at Adam Sandler, right?
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Like, these movies on Netflix, millions of people are watching them.
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Strong counterargument there, Myke.
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Well, you know what I'm saying, though, right?
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But if that's what people enjoy, if that's what they want to see, let them see it.
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But people wouldn't see those movies in those numbers if they were in cinemas.
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So, like, this is just allowing for people to be seen.
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I do want to see uncut gems, though, right?
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Like the Adam Sandler movie where he's the jewelry dealer.
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That looks interesting.
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That looks like an interesting movie.
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We've taken this way further than we expected.
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Let's take a break and we'll come back and do more upstream.
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What about that, Jason Stan?
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So talking about awards, we spoke about the Golden Globes last week.
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You've gone Hollywood, Myke.
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There's more upstream.
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You've totally gone Hollywood.
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It's all Hollywood.
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All upstream all the time.
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Special Hollywood correspondent Myke Hartley, one week only.
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Billy Crudup.
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He played, um, what is his name?
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That creepy guy in the morning show.
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Corey Ellison in the morning show.
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He is my favorite character in that show and the critics agreed because he picked up the
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best supporting actor at the Critics' Choice Award.
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I believe that was last night.
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This is Apple's first award for any of their TV+ things.
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It was their only nomination that they received and Crudup took home the gong, which is great,
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I think he deserves it.
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It's a really, I saw Carolina Milanese on Twitter yesterday.
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Completely agreed with her.
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Like it's wild to watch a character who at one moment you absolutely hate and then the
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next moment you're completely cheering for like just moment to moment.
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Yeah, it is legitimately great, weird performance, a weird character.
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He's so slimy at the beginning and you're like, Whoa, who is this guy?
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And then you see him do things where you're like, Oh, I kind of like what this guy did.
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Wait a second.
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This is the really creepy slimy guy.
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And it's just like, it's fascinating.
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He is fascinating to watch in that show.
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So deserved, I think.
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Yeah, I think so too.
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Apple will be presenting at the TV Critics Association Press Tour on January 19th.
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Here we are.
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We talked about this last summer.
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This is the Death March with cocktails as dubbed by my TV Talk Machine pal, now retired TV
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critic, Tim Goodman, where all the TV writers come and for like two weeks, there's a summer
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and a winter press tour and the networks and the streamers and everybody else will do the
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cable and broadcast and streaming.
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They will do days where they bring in the shows that are launching or coming back and
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the writers and the cast and there are panel interviews and there's cocktail receptions
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and set visits and it's this whole dog and pony show.
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And the idea here is you're doling out information and getting the media to pay attention to
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the stuff that you want to shine a PR spotlight on.
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And our question was, would Apple come down off the mountaintop and go to the Death March?
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And here's your answer.
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Winter press tour, they're going to be there.
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Yep, which is I think the way that I know I fell in the sub, that we agreed on this is
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that they would get into this because there are things in this industry, they can try
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to avoid them as much as they want, but they need to try and be involved.
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If they want to take the awards, they also have to play the game.
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And this is part of the game.
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There's schmoozing of all sorts, but it is definitely, I think, primarily a PR rollout
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setting where they can get like, and if you're a TV writer, not just
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necessarily a critic, but a writer in general, you do, you load up your notebook with stuff
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and like you, so you listen to the producers of some show that's launching in April, talk
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about their motivation and what they're planning and all of that.
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And you put that in the notebook and some people might write stories about it or live
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tweeted at the time.
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But what happens is then April comes around and you're writing your story about that
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show and now you've seen it and all of that.
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And you empty out your notebook and you say, oh, well, I talked to this person and that's
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all coming from the press tour.
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That so there's, it's a big kind of concerted between the TV critics and the networks to
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get their, like this PR thing.
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And then they all go back to wherever they're from and they've been downloaded with the
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marketing spin of the networks.
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And news breaks here and they announce casting and they announce renewals and there's all
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sorts of other stuff that happens here.
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So it will be fascinating to see what level, that's the next question, right?
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What level will Apple disclose?
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Will Apple play this game like everyone else or will Apple be more reluctant because Apple
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as a company, if not their TV division so much, but as a company has that kind of culture.
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So I guess we'll see how open they are.
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Do they feel like HBO?
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They seem to be playing the HBO song, like literally HBO stopped playing that song and
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they're like, we will play that song now.
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So maybe we'll also hire your player guy on stage with everybody.
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Yeah, who knows?
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Funnily, maybe it's interesting, they're the only company named on this day.
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So it's January 19th.
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So in the kind of schedule.
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That's not surprising.
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There's a lot of times there's like a company will take a day, sometimes more than one day
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to do their events.
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So like there's Apple day and people will come and Apple will have a whole thing and
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they'll serve people lunch probably and they'll do their whole dog and pony show and they'll,
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it'll be interesting to see what they're promoting too because as we talked about, there's the
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stuff we know that is probably not coming back to the fall.
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So will they talk about the morning show or for all mankind or will that be like completely
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off the table and they're going to be talking about whatever their next wave of programming
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is that's this spring.
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I don't know.
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Interesting.
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In theory, it will be stuff that we don't know about because by then they won't have
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a lot left on the slate to talk about that's actually we know about dates for.
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So we might find out stuff like Amazing Stories, right?
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Like when is that coming?
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Because this is a winter press tour, so they'll have a summer press tour presumably in August.
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So it really is sort of like what is on their agenda between now and July, August.
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Oprah pulls out of the documentary focused on sexual assault that we spoke about last
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She was the executive producer on the project, but in a statement given to the Hollywood
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reporter, she says that she's decided to pull out and therefore cancel the agreement to
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air this on Apple TV Plus.
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This is a quote from Oprah.
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First and foremost, I want it to be known that I unequivocally believe and support the
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Their stories is said to be told and heard.
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In my opinion, there is more work to be done.
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And it's become clear, though, that the filmmakers and I are not aligned in that creative vision.
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So something happened with the kind of the way that this movie documentary was coming
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together to the point that Oprah decided to pull out.
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I think it's going to be very interesting when this movie eventually does come out to
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see why, like what happened.
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I think it will be pretty obvious.
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So this was focusing on an executive in the music industry who has been accused of sexual
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And that was going to be the documentary was going to be about following the victims.
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But now Oprah is pulled out.
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So again, one of these things where the story sort of reflects on Apple, even though it's
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sort of been put down a layer by having it be Oprah and the creative differences.
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It's classic Hollywood statement.
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And who knows what it means?
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But it does mean that she's basically said, I'm out.
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And that means Apple is also out of this documentary.
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Apple released a trailer for Mythic Quest.
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This was the video game company comedy show.
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This trailer looks great.
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Like it is a it looks like a lot of fun.
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It's more of what I wanted from this and less of what I expected it to be.
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Like I expected it to just be like a you know, because we were super strange about like,
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why is Ubisoft involved in this?
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And it seems super weird, but it looks pretty funny.
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And it looks like they do maybe touch a little bit on some of the difficulties of working
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in video game development.
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Like that's even in the trailer, there's references to like working all night and that kind of
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So I'm very intrigued about this now.
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I think it's going to be pretty I have high hopes now.
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It's got a I was going to say a Silicon Valley kind of vibe, but I actually think it has
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a little bit more of a Veep kind of vibe the the trailer.
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But that's not to say that again, Apple is trying to be HBO, but it's got that kind of
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Yeah, I think it looks like a lot of fun.
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Like there's it seems like it's got a great cast and it's got an interesting feel to it.
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I'm intrigued to see if that like it joins over to the show.
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Like does it does it marry up?
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But yeah, it looks great.
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And finally, the Apple TV app is coming to LG, Sony and Vizio TVs this year.
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So currently at the moment, the Apple TV app itself exists on Samsung TVs and then other
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TVs have AirPlay 2 functionality.
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But Apple did reference that other manufacturers would also be getting the smart TV app.
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And by the end of the year, this is all announced of a CES, LG, Sony and Vizio TVs will be getting
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If you have one of these TVs, each manufacturer has like different cut off times as to what
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TVs will get it.
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But this is a continuation of Apple rolling out their content to as many places as they
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can possibly put it.
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Yeah, yeah, it continues.
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This is the answer to the question is loud and clear.
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Apple wants the TV app to be everywhere.
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Should we talk about so what kind of on this topic list?
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Let's move over a little bit and talk about services in general.
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We spent obviously a lot of time talking about services over the last couple of years because
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Apple's been focusing on it a lot.
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But they put out a press release on New Year's Day celebrating their successes.
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Was it New Year's Day?
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No, it's just like last week.
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And they basically said, we have a quote, App Store customers, so this is people in the
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App Store, spent a record of $1.42 billion between Christmas Eve and New Year's Eve,
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which is a 16% increase.
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And the biggest day, I think, was $386 million on New Year's Day, which is a 20% increase.
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So they kind of also use this press release as a wrap up of kind of where Apple are with
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services right now.
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It's just like promotion for all the stuff that they're doing.
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But you look at these numbers and you can it's just more evidence of why exactly Apple
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is pushing the way that they have been into services.
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They are able to make more and more and more money without selling a proportional amount
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These numbers, if you look at how many iPhones were sold in 2019, if you just looked at that
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number compared to last year, you'd be like, they probably won't make as much money because
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they're not making as many iPhones.
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But it doesn't count the fact that all of the iPhones existing out there right now can
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still buy apps, can still sign up for TV+.
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They just put like the install base is getting larger and larger.
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And that's what Apple capitalizing on.
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Yeah, it's the I mean, I did a piece last week, which we should probably talk about
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about services and wearables.
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But you can you can see it.
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We're in entry 2020.
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And three years ago, Apple set itself this goal.
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They said they wanted to double its services revenue by 2020.
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And they will blow past that because their services revenue in 2016 was 26 billion.
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So double that.
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That's 52, right?
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Well, in 2019, it was already 46.
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So they would actually have to slow severely slow down services growth to not make that
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And it's just it's it's an enormous part of their business.
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The services and wearables put together back in 2015 was about 15% of their business.
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And now it's 30 and going up.
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So, you know, that's gone from being kind of like a nice small part of the Apple business
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to a third almost of the Apple business.
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Yeah, in that article that you wrote, I like to use you were looking at it and basically
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said that since going back to 2015, every single quarter there has been a double digit
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percentage growth over the year over year quarter.
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So they are growing massive amounts.
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Yeah, that's we talk about iPhone slowing down, right?
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If you go back to our early shows of upgrade, you can talk about us being amazed at the
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year over year iPhone growth.
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And that was iPhone was in this explosive growth growth phase, which it's not in anymore.
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And so it's very profitable, but it's not growing a lot.
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But you look at services and wearables, by the way, but starting with services, it has
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been four years now for like five years growing at double digits per quarter year over year,
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which is that's a lot.
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That's my point is it's a lot in 2012.
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They made 15 billion on services.
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And in 2019, they made 46 billion in services.
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That is a lot of growth.
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And one of the great things I think for Apple is the fact that services revenue, unlike
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their products, is not going to be as affected by seasonal changes.
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So they're likely to make more money over the Christmas period, right, as they sell
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more iPhones or whatever.
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But then that those spikes should bring the average higher because people sign up for
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these multi subscription things.
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And yeah, you'll get some people canceling every now and then.
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But if you just sold a bunch more funds, you just bring up the average and then it keeps
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going like it just keeps growing and growing and growing in theory, as long as they're
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making people happy and you're paying monthly or quarterly or annually.
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Or whatever you are for these subscriptions, which means the money just keeps flowing in.
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It's not seasonal at all.
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I mean, again, they obviously will at some point reach a saturation, but they've probably
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got quite a way ahead of them, which means, you know, like the iPhone, there will be a
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point where there has to be something else, right?
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Because services will stop growing.
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But you can see they have a lot of opportunity here because there's many ways to kind of
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like, like on this pump, right?
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Like you can not only try to convince existing customers and new customers to sign up for
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whatever service, you can also create more services, which they've obviously been doing,
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Like you can give people reasons to sign up for iCloud and they did that, right?
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Like you can give people reasons to give you money to get their news, but then you can
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also create gaming subscription services.
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You can create television content, right?
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Like there are more ways for them to affect this area of this revenue than there was for
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And look, don't get me wrong.
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We were talking about this last week.
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They're probably trying to do this with the iPhone too, right?
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Oh, you want four or five iPhones?
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Let's just do it, right?
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Make all the iPhones, right?
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Like it's a similar kind of model.
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You give everyone everything, but it's probably easier to do this with services than it is
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for them to just keep making iPhones.
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Well, you could buy, everybody is going to use one iPhone.
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There's very rarely that somebody has the night phone and the day phone, right?
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But services are, I mean, theoretically infinite.
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They're not because there are only so many that you would want and there's only so much
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money in your pocket, but you can have more than one.
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So Apple sells an iPhone to everybody.
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Everybody's got an iPhone.
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How many services can they have on it?
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They can have more than one.
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They have two or three or four or five or six.
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And you might roll your eyes at that because at some point it becomes exhausting.
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But if Apple offers 15 services and you only want four of them, they still sold you four
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services, right?
00:36:18
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So that's, this is why they're doing it.
00:36:22
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And my point of my article too was to do a fun chart and also to point out like, this
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is why they talk about services and wearables, right?
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This is why.
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You can see it.
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I had made the year by year chart before, so that was my new chart of the week basically.
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And you can see why.
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And you can be skeptical.
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You can not like what it says about Apple as a company.
00:36:45
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I think there's lots of criticism about these strategies that you and I have talked about
00:36:50
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over the years, but the money, like you cannot argue the numbers.
00:36:56
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Look, this is why they're doing it.
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And you know, they're a profit-seeking company.
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This is why they're doing it.
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Yeah, the wearables part is fun.
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So the category, right, is called wearables, homes, and accessories, but it's basically
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all wearables and wearables is two products, AirPods and Apple Watch.
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That's what's driving this.
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It's not HomePod, right?
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Like it's not silicone cases or whatever else they put in accessories.
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These are the two things.
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You look at the charts that you put together and it's really interesting to see how there
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was, you know, kind of in like, there was a nice little bump, right, that happened with
00:37:30
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the Apple Watch.
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They sold a bunch of Apple Watches and then it was relatively flat, right?
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Like it wasn't really doing a lot.
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And then in 2017, this category exploded, which is probably AirPods, right?
00:37:42
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Like I would look at this, this growth and it's like, oh yeah, that's AirPods.
00:37:46
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So, yeah, you have so many people that want to buy these products that already own your
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iPhones and they become this fashion thing and a meme thing.
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And it just went wild.
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I think the, I think you can't undersell the Apple Watch because the Apple Watch, the Apple
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Watch, no, I mean, I think it's more than that.
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I think in 2015, which was really the first year of the Apple Watch, they showed four
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straight quarters.
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It was like 49, 61, 62 and 30 percent growth year over year.
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That is everybody buying an Apple Watch Series 1.
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Year 2, that was something that was hard to live up to, that first initial, the initial
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spike of a brand new product.
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And so they had three quarters in a row where that category went down year over year because
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you had to do that.
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But since then, that category has grown way faster than services has.
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It's been, you know, in the more than 20 percent growth year over year every quarter, all but
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one have been more than 30 percent and the last two have been both around 50 percent
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growth year over year.
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I think it's both the continued momentum of the Apple Watch and AirPods.
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I think together, I think it really is a one-two punch.
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I think they're both because Apple Watch, they don't disclose sales figures, so we have
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But it seems like Apple Watch had a huge spike.
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They tailed off a little bit and they have been killing it since then on Apple Watch
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If you take Tim Cook at his word and occasionally he throws out a superlative of like, oh, this
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is our best and whatever.
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But I think the Apple Watch is a big part of this.
00:39:18
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But I think you're right that AirPods is a huge driver as well.
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And this is why so as much as we talk about services, this is why if I'm Apple, I am,
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you know, very highly prioritizing any other wearable product, not only in the long term
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with that, you know, they're supposedly working on air glasses and all that.
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But this is the search through the couch cushions.
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Like, what else can we do?
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Like, do we want to do in-ear AirPods with noise canceling?
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Are there other like this is why I think that it that they absolutely will make over-ear
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AirPod headphones, headphones, right?
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Because how could you not?
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How could you not?
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I was I was really sure that they were going to do this.
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Look at how successful the AirPods have been.
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If I'm in charge of AirPods, you just like like I said, until they usher me out because
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I don't work at Apple, I'm like, what other things can we AirPod?
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Like, do them all, do them all.
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It's all wildly successful.
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Keep doing that.
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I'd start to believe that all because we haven't seen them yet.
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They probably won't do them.
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But now I'm back in the camp of, yeah, they're going to do it because they're silly not
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Why would you not just do it?
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Like, just do it.
00:40:26
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Like even if they're essentially Beats headphones, except with a slightly different sound profile
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and they're white, like still and more expensive because it's Apple.
00:40:34
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Yeah, they don't care about Beats and like they don't care about Beats in that way.
00:40:39
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Like they have because Beats just takes the technology and makes their version, right?
00:40:43
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And then they make an AirPods version.
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And Beats is a brand that has an audience.
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Apple is a brand that has an audience and there are people who will buy Apple over-ear
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headphones that would never buy Beats over-ear headphones.
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And that's just I know that that doesn't make sense.
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And vice versa.
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We are back on that train here.
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Like they're going to, at least I am, head pods.
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So over-ear headphones with, I don't know, like better, more kind of encompassing now
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noise cancellation.
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But it doesn't matter what the features are, right?
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Just make it because then you can make more millions and millions and millions of dollars
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from people.
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AirPods Max.
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AirPods Max.
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Just massive.
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I like this quote as well from your article that in 2015, these two categories combined
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with 16% of Apple's total business in the last quarter, it was 30% and continuing to
00:41:26
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So, you know, like we could be 2022, 2023, maybe a few more years.
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50% of the business could be this.
00:41:33
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I don't believe it'll, it's going to take a long time for it to get there.
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But I think that we are definitely about to enter a period where a third of Apple's business
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is services and wearables.
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I mean, it depends where they're going, right?
00:41:50
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Like I'm still so conflicted about AR glasses, right?
00:41:54
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Like I really am conflicted about it.
00:41:56
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I don't, I just don't know if I get it, but if that is a product that they make and it
00:42:02
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makes sense in the way that the Apple watch made sense, like that's just, it's just going
00:42:05
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to continue to pump that line, you know?
00:42:07
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But I'm not, I'm not convinced about that yet.
00:42:10
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Like I think the jury is, is and should be out on the idea of something to put on my
00:42:15
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face to connect to my iPhone.
00:42:19
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Apple's next earnings are on January 28th.
00:42:21
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I'm really excited for these ones because I want to see what the iPhone did.
00:42:27
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Like I'm really keen.
00:42:29
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I like to talk about all of this stuff now because it sort of sets the stage for what
00:42:34
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happens in that holiday quarter, which will get reported on January 28th.
00:42:37
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How well did the iPad or the iPhone do in the holiday quarter?
00:42:41
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Where are the other businesses now?
00:42:42
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And what's the next stage of services and wearables?
00:42:45
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And we will, we will hear that in two weeks.
00:42:48
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So the Apple arcade revenue will begin.
00:42:51
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I suppose so.
00:42:53
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So they, they won't, they don't break that out, but they, if it did well, they'll say,
00:42:57
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Oh, and Apple arcade exceeded our expectations by, you know, they'll say some superlative
00:43:02
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That's what they do.
00:43:03
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If they, if they say something superlative, if they have something to say that's superlative,
00:43:07
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they will say it.
00:43:07
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Otherwise they won't.
00:43:09
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So like Apple news plus also exists, you know, it's a remains a product in our lineup.
00:43:15
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Or they'll, or they do that thing where they're like, we are really pleased with Apple
00:43:18
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news plus, which is great and offers all these things.
00:43:21
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It's like, okay.
00:43:22
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And how's it doing?
00:43:27
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You didn't say how well it's doing, but okay.
00:43:29
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So we'll see.
00:43:30
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We'll read the tea leaves, but that's a couple of weeks away.
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So Jason, I wanted to check in with you because we spoke in the summer about you upgrading
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your office, painting the wall orange.
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Operation office five.
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There you go.
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How's it been going for you?
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Well, I got good news and bad news.
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The bad news is that, uh, to reference back to your, to an episode from two years ago,
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episode 170, the rat king of cables, it's back.
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The rat king of cables has been, has grown, has regrown because over two years, you know,
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you got a cable, you put it somewhere and that's how it starts.
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So I'm, I'm speaking to you now from a room that has a lot of, uh, I, I've begun the process
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of kind of upturning all of these boxes that have cables in them and then going through
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the cables one by one and putting them in the USB pile and the HTMI pile and the ethernet
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pile and all of that.
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So that then I can organize them, reorganize them and try to find, you know, get them back
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in their place.
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Cause I had a moment where I needed a particular USB cable.
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Um, and I couldn't find one.
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I was like, Hmm, this is not great cause you know, then it's searched through the rat king
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of cables or just buy a new one on Amazon.
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It's so sad to do.
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I like, I know I have this cable, but I can't find it.
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So I'm just going to buy another one.
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That's a bad idea.
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So I'm, I'm, I've reached that step now where I I'm trying to pull all this stuff out.
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And I found a bunch of old stuff in a box.
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I literally had a box that I filled with stuff from my desk at IDG five years ago, brought
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home and never opened, um, that I opened last week.
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So I found a lot of really great old stuff.
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I was sending a bunch of pictures to Steven Hackett of like, you get a load of this.
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Look at these two newtons that I have.
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Look at this BOS CD-ROM that I've got, uh, all sorts of just wild old stuff that's in
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Um, but I have to figure out like what of that is salvageable and what of that should I dump?
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And so I I'm, I'm in the de-cluttering process.
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There's also a lot of stuff.
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The garage is also our sort of storage room for the rest of the house.
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So there's a bunch of stuff that needs to go to the, um, the Goodwill or, or to the
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dump depending, or the electronics recycling.
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So I'm, I'm in midstream on that, which means that my office is much messier than I would
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like, but, um, I, I have made a bunch of changes.
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Um, I mentioned on this show as part of our ongoing conversation with ATP about lighting
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and Marco's many, many lights that he has that I was feeling it that on a, on particular
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dark winter days, it's not sunny today, so it's great.
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But on dark winter days and nights, um, that my one floor lamp in here is not quite enough.
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Um, and I was debating what to do, get another floor lamp, um, get some, some other lamp
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that I could like shoot onto the wall so that the orange wall is sort of lit up.
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That would be nice.
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And I ended up, um, and I think I like it and I think I'm going to keep it is I had a
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hue light strip, a Phillips hue light strip, the little, um, led strip lighting.
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Um, and I put it on the frame of my window, so it's like shining up toward the ceiling
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and also against the wall.
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And this is the, my wall that I painted orange and I kind of liked it.
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I left it there for a while and I kind of liked it.
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So I bought, um, some extensions of that and now it's on the top and the bottom of that
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window frame.
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It's just stuck on the, on the window frame and that's pretty good.
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So I don't think, and it means I don't have a floor lamp, um, cluttering that part of my
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office that I have to keep moving out of the way to go anywhere.
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It's just attached on the wall.
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So I think I'm going to go with that and that gives me that extra little kind of hit
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of, uh, of light, especially in, in dark times when I need a little bit more brightness.
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Um, and it shows off that orange wall, which makes me happy.
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Um, and that's a smart thing so I can put it on.
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I've got a smart switch at the doorway that is actually a smart light switch that's actually
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turning on my floor lamp, which is plugged into one of those little smart outlets.
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And so now I have it wired up so that I can turn that on.
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I can turn on the, the, uh, the hue lights on the wall.
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Um, so, you know, I, I'm doing that.
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I have some video lights that I use when I'm doing, you know, when I'm shooting videos
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or doing live stream of, of something.
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And then I, I'm actually ordered some more mounts to mount more of them up on the ceiling
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because the great thing about having those lights on the ceiling is that they're not
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somewhere else on the floor.
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Like they're out of the way, there's no tripod, there's no, you know, there's none of that.
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And, and it's a great place to store those lights.
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And then I can just either on smart switches so I can just turn them on whenever I am recording.
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So I'm doing a bunch of that kind of stuff.
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And, uh, like John Syracuse, I prepared the way, um, but I'm not getting a Mac pro.
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I just bought a new, um, uninterruptible power supply because after the power outages this
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fall and also hearing John and Steven Hackett talking about getting these like tower UPS,
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they look like a tower computer almost.
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And all my UPS is I've got two are like big fat, thick power strips.
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And I thought, Oh, actually that is exactly what I, what I want and need for this right
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where my computer's plugged in.
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So I haven't, I have one of those now to a big UPS.
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And the best thing about it is that it's got a silence button on it.
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So when the power goes out and I need to use it in order for my lamp to work, I won't have
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beeping coming to me endlessly from the garage like I did in October.
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These UPS is like, I get it, but I don't know if I want this like massive thing, right?
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Like a big computer sitting under my desk.
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It seems like so much.
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Well, mine is sitting against the wall.
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It's not under my desk and I've got, I've got a whole, that's another thing I did is
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I've got a bunch of cable organization that I've been doing where I've got, you know,
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I'm trying to tie the cables together and reduce the number.
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I actually bought a new, like a USB three hub so that I can extend, I can run one USB
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cable down off the desk and then have a bunch of stuff plugged in, kind of stuck under the
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desk, including the one that runs to the, to the UPS so that it can talk to the UPS.
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And and then it extends.
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I've got a little thing that goes all the way toward the wall and then there is where
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I don't see it, but this new, this UPS is tall and not wide like the other one is.
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So it's actually kind of less intrusive and you know, if your power goes out, your computer
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doesn't die, which is nice.
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I had the cyber power, um, CP 1500 PF CLCD.
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CP 1500 CP F let's see.
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Look at that.
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Look at that thing.
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It seems like so much.
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How much, how, how long would, do you know how long your computer would last plugged
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into this thing?
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I don't know.
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We can find out, but not right now.
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No, I don't want you to do it right now.
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Oh, it turns out only 20 seconds.
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And you have it.
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I mean, cause I never really understood how this works, but you have it set up or do you
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have it set up that it can talk to Mac OS?
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So people don't know this, I think, but, uh, these UPS has have USB on them.
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Um, and they often come with like windows software and some of them have Mac downloads,
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but I'm always very skeptical.
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You don't actually need software, special software on the Mac for these things.
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If you plug them in via USB and go to the energy saver pain in system preferences, there's
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a UPS thing and you can configure it to like, you know, your Mac knows when it's on UPS,
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knows what the battery status of the UPS is.
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It's like, like a laptop battery.
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It's aware of all of that.
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And you can say, you know, after five minutes on the UPS shut down, or if the UPS only has
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five minutes left shut down, or if the UPS reaches 10% of its battery shut down, you
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can, you can do all of that stuff from right within system preferences.
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You don't need any special software to do that.
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Yeah, it looks really cool.
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That kind of stuff.
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But I see I want, I wanted to hear all of this from you today because I'm in just like,
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I'm in such office limbo right now, Jason, because I want to do so much stuff that I
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want to do to my office, but also at the same time, I want an office outside of my home,
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which is like a whole of a big thing that I'm looking at because we live in a two bedroom
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apartment and you know, if, if our life goes the way that we want over the next few years,
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I need to give that room up.
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And so I can't, and so like, I'm in this real limbo, right?
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Like what to do?
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We don't have another room.
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Like we don't have a garage.
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We live in an apartment.
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It's like I am looking kind of for an office outside of home, which is like, it's holding
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me back from making too many significant changes to my home office.
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Like I don't want to redo the whole thing and then rip it all out again.
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But there are, there are little things that I can do that I can also take with me, right?
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Like if, if I get an office outside of my home, right?
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Like if I buy a UPS, I can still take that with me.
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But yeah, so I, I'm in a little bit of limbo myself right now, which is just like the worst.
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It's a challenge.
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And you, and you've got to think about the expenses of, of an office versus the expenses
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and inconvenience of doing something like selling your place and buying a place with
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another room, right?
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Which you could do, but is incredibly inconvenient, right?
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That is obviously something that we will want to do at some point in our lives, right?
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But we don't, we don't want to even think about moving for like another two or three
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So you're in limbo.
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We have like a, like a mortgage is in a contract, like a fixed term contract.
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So you don't want to break it because then you'd lose your breaks, all that kind of nuts.
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I recommend that you just, uh, you know, go work in a big glass cube.
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Bad for audio.
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Big glass cubes.
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Little bit, little bit, little bit bad, bad for audio.
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That is true.
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You got to worry about the audio, uh, because that's your job.
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Like the problem I've had is like trying to find office space where we live is very, very
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difficult because I, I have also have like particular needs.
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I can't work in a shared office, right?
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Like I can find a desk in a shared office super easy, but cannot find private offices
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very easily.
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I had a friend who ended up working, there was a law firm that had rented out a building
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and they had extra offices and he ended up working there.
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He basically sublet an office inside this.
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So it was like before there was WeWork, there was, Hey, we have an extra office.
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Does somebody want to use this?
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And you know, that's, uh, you know, I don't know if that would be your best bet or, or
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not to just see how do you find them?
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And like I found an office and that, and I've, I've even gone to see it and thought it was
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really great, but the letting company is not responding to my emails.
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It's like, I want to lease this office.
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Will you please let me lease this office?
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And they're just like ignoring me.
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It's like, I don't understand what's happening.
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Like I want to give you the money that you're looking for.
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It's very, it's very confusing to me.
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Uh, but that's, I'm, you know, that's kind of where I am right now.
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Like I had this whole plan of like, Oh, doing a bunch of stuff to redo the office, but now
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I'm in a little bit of limbo, but there are things that I still want to do.
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So like I spoke about it last time, right?
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Like I want to, um, make my kind of second desk more of a, uh, fixed iPad writing desk,
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So I'm still looking at stuff like that.
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I'm still trying to work that out myself.
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I actually want to talk about keyboards in a minute.
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Um, cause that's kind of like a place where I am in my life right now is looking at keyboards.
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We've all been at the keyboard part of their life, but I'm also at the same time still
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looking for just general inspiration as, you know, I've been, we would, again, we spoke
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about this when we were together, I've been working out of that office now for three years
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and it was put together in a way that is very different to how it's used now.
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Like my initial conception, you built your office just as I built my office sort of speculatively
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saying, well, what, what, what would I do if I had this office?
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And then you use it for three, four or five years and you're like, okay, this is not quite
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what I, you know, I made, I made some guesses and some were right and some were wrong and
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it's not quite how I work now.
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And then you have to, and that's what my kind of project has been about is making some revision,
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like getting a new desk.
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Cause like that, that was a, I thought buying that relatively cheap, very small, uh, sit
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stand desk was a good idea at the time.
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And I guess it was, but having sat at it for five years, it's not the right desk for me.
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And you're still happy with the desk that you have?
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Oh, I love it.
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I mean, it's the, cause it's the, it's like the re reclaimed hardwood, uh, desk top and
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you know, this one's got multiple settings so that it remembers like my standing position
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and my sitting position and stuff, which the other one did not.
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Um, it's uh, yeah, it's really nice.
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And because of the size that actually I can tuck more stuff underneath the desk.
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And so I can do talking about cable management, like I can attach, I actually, at one point
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have, I've, I've given some thought to, uh, I bought the drive, I bought a Samsung SSD.
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I've given some thought to, um, putting like Velcroing the drive under the desktop as my
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backup drive, as my like super duper clone drive.
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Although since my iMac is visa mounted, um, I can actually just, there's like a little
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space in the visa mount where the drive goes.
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Like I don't even need to attach it.
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It just kind of like sits there and it's completely invisible to me and it's just directly attached
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by USB-C to the, to the iMac.
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I, uh, I just stuck my Samsung SSD drive that I use for my time machine, but with Velcro
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onto the back of the, of my iMac Pro.
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I don't care.
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That's how it lives.
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Yeah, I agree.
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But I thought about putting stuff under the desk and I do have, like I said, I have a
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hub under there and I bought a metal shelf for my, um, my USB audio interface.
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And so I don't even see it anymore.
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It's down there and I, it's accessible, but like it's not on my table anymore.
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And I may do that with a mute switch at some point too, and just like trying to clear some
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of the junk off the desk, but I am, I'm happy with the desk.
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I have, by the way, I have, um, I have two points of additional follow-up.
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One is USB follow-up.
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I guess this is follow out.
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There's been this, there's a bug happening in Catalina and none of us have been able
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to pin it down.
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Casey Liss has talked about it on ATP a little bit.
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And I've seen it too, where something is going on and I think it's USB.
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I don't think it's actually Bluetooth.
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I think it's USB and I think the Bluetooth is on the USB bus.
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That bus headache for dongle town.
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No, that bus is driving away from dongle town and it's on fire.
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I bought a, a new DVD drive to use to do like, you know, I, I back up my DVDs and put them
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on a Plex server, which is great.
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Cause then I don't have to fish out the DVD and fish out the Blu-ray to watch something.
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I can just kind of like, it's very easy then to put it on my TV using the Apple TV app
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or even side load it to my iPad and take it on a trip, whatever.
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So I bought a new one of those.
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And so I was at a point where I was ripping a Blu-ray, doing a podcast.
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So there's a USB audio interface there and super duper launched and was that new Samsung
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It was doing a clone, a backup to my SSD.
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Those are all USB tasks, right?
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And my USB audio interface started cutting out.
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My track pad started getting jumpy because it wasn't plugged in and then I plugged it
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in and it was, it was okay after that.
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But my Bluetooth mode track pad was getting jumpy.
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The the ripping procedure on the Blu-ray disc failed.
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And I thought, what is happening here?
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And then I stopped the super duper clone and ejected and unplugged the drive and I turned
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off the Blu-ray drive and I unplugged and replugged the USB audio interface and then
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I didn't have any problems.
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And I thought to myself, something, there's a bug here somewhere because I did not see
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this before Catalina.
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It's like it got overloaded somehow, right?
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Yeah, something is happening where the USB bus is getting overloaded by something.
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It is unable to prioritize all of these things and it has dropouts and the dropouts can result
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in dropped audio from a USB interface or a drop that leads to a failure from a Blu-ray
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drive or jittery, potentially it's related to jittery input from keyboards and mice.
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And I think it's all because of that backup that was going on.
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So this is similar to what Casey has seen.
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If somebody from Apple out there who knows about USB stuff, like I'd love to know more
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about this or tell you more about it.
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But you know, USB was broken in, what was it, Sierra maybe or Hi Sierra.
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There was a release of OS X a few years ago where USB was really broken and we all kind
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of like couldn't move our podcast machines to it because it became really unreliable.
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And it very slowly got more reliable.
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But something happened with Catalina and it's back to being kind of not reliable, at least
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So that's a real bummer because that kind of like puts back a lot of my ideas about
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chaining things for USB and doing a local direct super duper backup instead of just
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using the network.
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And you know, because I have to not have my USB audio interface for podcasts be unreliable.
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So like, oh, you can't record any podcasts when any other USB devices are attached is
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not a great look.
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So I have that update.
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So Casey, if you're out there, you're not alone.
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And my other update is a power outage update since we're talking about my office and so
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that's what this segment is about.
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Yeah, I can understand now a little bit more.
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I've forgotten about the rolling power out.
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That's one of the reasons you probably are thinking so much about UPS and are maybe a
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little bit more sensitive to it because you've lived the life of multiple days.
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We had the three day outage and the UPS isn't going to protect you from a three day outage,
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but it will at least give you a little bit of battery to finish.
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But it just at least will make you, this whole thing will make you think about power a little
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Right, exactly.
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So after the outages, we looked into doing rooftop solar with a battery backup because
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with that on a sunny day, you could basically, the power could go out for a few days and
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you could still have power in your house, which would be great.
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But you also have other additional benefits for that, right?
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Like your power bill will get cheaper.
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You'll be using more renewable energy.
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Like there are lots of benefits for solar.
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Yeah, but losing power for three days was the impetus to be like, okay, we should really
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And then I looked into it and it turns out we have a, you know, please do not send advice.
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By the way, I'll just say that now because I know I'm going to get advice from people
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who don't know all the details about this.
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But here's the thing.
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I have a 20 plus year old roof, which doesn't leak, which is great.
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However, technically that roof is getting toward the end of its life.
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And everybody I talked to about solar said, well, you really have to replace the roof
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if you're going to do solar because otherwise the roof's going to fail and you're going
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to have to de-install all of your panels and then reinstall them on the new roof.
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And that's no good.
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So we really advise that, you know, you need a relatively recent roof.
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Start with a fresh roof.
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So because the damage is way worse if you have panels on top.
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So guess what?
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That takes a project that was already really going to be expensive when we got a child
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in college and another one going to college soon and said, take that number that you were
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already wincing at and thinking you might not be able to afford, but you could probably
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grit your way through it.
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Now add $20,000 to it at least.
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And at that point I was like, no, I'm not going to do that.
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So the rooftop solar is off.
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Maybe after I have to replace my roof, I'll think about it again.
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But I had a moment where I thought, okay, it's inconvenient not to have power for a
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But when I think about a project that would cost, I mean, a lot, let's just say a lot
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of money all told versus finding ways to make the pain of an occasional outage less painful
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and then just rebuying the groceries that spoiled in the refrigerator.
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It's like, I can't really justify it that way.
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Like there are reasons to get solar.
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But in the end, because of our particular circumstance, I just don't think we can afford
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the scale of it, having to replace the roof and then do solar and then get the battery.
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So the moment I made that decision of like, we're not going to do that and that all that
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money that we were going to spend is not being spent.
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I was like, oh, I can spend a small amount of money on a few things to make life a little
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easier if we do get an outage.
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So the first thing I did was I actually bought this thing called a power bank, which is like
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a giant UPS.
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I bought one from Goal Zero.
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I bought the Yeti 1000.
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You plug it in and it's a giant battery and it charges.
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And then when the power goes out, you can use it.
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You can't like run a giant appliance on it, but there are certain things in our house
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that we could run off of this thing.
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And they also sell a solar panel that charges it in like 20 hours or something like that.
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So it would be, and I'll explore it because you can get a second panel for it and then
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charge it faster and all of that.
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So I'm going to buy that.
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I just bought that.
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So we'll have more power available to us in a giant battery to get us through like at
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a very low level with some of the stuff in our house.
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And that's a start.
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And I'll look into some other stuff too.
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I'm not sure I really want to buy a gas generator because for lots of reasons like having to
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have a gas can and oil and it's noisy and smelly and like I'd rather not go down that
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But anyway, all that stuff is kind of back open just because I'm not going to spend 50
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or $60,000 at least on a solar project because I don't have that money to spend.
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I'm not going to do that.
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So instead I just bought a giant battery.
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So a lot of batteries come into my house, Myke.
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Lots of batteries.
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All the great batteries.
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Can we talk about keyboards?
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Let's do it.
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There comes a time in every person's life when they must make the walk of the travel.
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The travel to the keyboards.
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The listen to the Cortex, the Cortex and Stay got to me.
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So it just started as like a couple of questions through Ask Cortex and then some follow up
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was sent to me.
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Now I am like deep into mechanical keyboard land.
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So I currently own two mechanical keyboards.
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I own a WASD keyboard, which I really like.
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It was the first one that I bought and I learned a lot.
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Like I learned that what switch I like, I like Cherry Brown switches because they still
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got some clickiness, but it's not a lot of force.
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It's like the least amount of force to apply.
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So it doesn't really cause me any strain in my hands, right?
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Because like, you know, you can really go for it.
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And plus I don't want it to be too loud.
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I just like a little noise.
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I liked the WASD keyboard because you could basically customize every single key to be
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the color that you wanted.
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And I got like some wild colors, but I bought a keyboard without arrow keys.
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I wasn't really paying attention.
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I didn't really think about it.
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And I hate that.
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I love the keyboard and it's possible to use arrow key that you can hold down a little
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function key and use, I think it's like the I, J, K and L, I think.
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So it's like instead of the arrow keys, like on the keyboard, which is fine, but it just
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doesn't work properly for me.
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But I do love that keyboard.
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Then I bought an Ergodex keyboard, which is a split mechanical keyboard.
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So that splits in half, which is like the keyboard that I use on my Mac all the time,
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which is the Microsoft Sculpt, right?
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Like it has the split in the middle, which is, it feels good to me.
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And the Ergodex keyboard is really nice, but I'm really trying to get used to it because
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a lot of the keys are unprinted and you are supposed to assign, you could use like this
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web tool and then you have to like plug it into your computer and like you flash the
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You assign what you want the keys to do, which is fine because you can kind of customize
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it the way that you want, but I can then not remember all the keys do, which is a problem
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And there's ways to fix that, like buying different key caps, right, to replace the
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blank keys, which is good.
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But then I'm into the key cap world, right?
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Where now I'm like, where do you buy key caps?
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And I see a lot of key caps that I really like the look of, but then there are these
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like group buy things and it's like they're just sold out or it's like you'll wait for
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like six months.
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It's like a whole thing.
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And then you, and then I asked you what keyboard you're using and you're using the Keychron
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And now I'm looking at those and they look really interesting and they have a Kickstarter
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campaign coming up for another new one that they're making.
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I am like deep into this.
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Mechanical keyboards are just like a great thing to follow on Instagram.
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Like I follow a ton of just like these companies making tiny keyboards and little key caps.
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It's just like beautiful.
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It's somebody, the reason that this got to me is someone said, this is probably would
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satiate Myke in the way that pens does.
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And it's very similar to like the type of pens that I buy.
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You can get exactly what you want and you can have them made in certain ways and they're
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all nice and colorful in the ways that you want.
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That's where I am.
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So I've been there.
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I've been where you are.
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The like part of the exploration is figuring out what you like and what you don't like.
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So like I got a WASD keyboard and because they do let you order custom key cap sets.
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You can order your keyboard with custom key caps, but you can also just like get custom
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printed key caps and they are good and they have like a, you can build your own key layout
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in Illustrator and then put it in there and they will print them out and they will send
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them to you.
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So that you can spend a lot of money on that stuff and that's fun.
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Although what I learned is that the keyboard from them that I bought, it's got the, it's
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got, it's wider because it's got the arrow keys and like the home and end keys and they're
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off to the side.
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And this is why I say it's important to learn what you like because I've learned I don't
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I want a much narrower keyboard than that.
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So I don't use that keyboard at all essentially at this point, but I do use that, the keyboards
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that I told you about and actually, you know, I've been using a couple of them.
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The Keychron K2, I think.
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And there's another one that I've been using that's very similar and you know, so that's
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your first step, right?
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Is like you said, oh, this little keyboard is really great.
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And then you got it and you're like, oh, there's no arrow keys.
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And I've had people send me keyboards and they're like, this looks great.
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You'll love this.
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And I look at it and like, no arrow keys, deal breaker.
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And they're like, but you can use a modifier key.
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It's like, nope, nope.
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I have learned this about myself that I am not there.
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So you're getting there, right?
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Part of this journey for you is learning what not to do with your keyboard.
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Do you have anything else you've learned from that journey or do we just know about the
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The arrow keys is the main thing that I've learned.
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My love of RGB remains.
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I just think it's amazing.
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I love to just have my keyboard lit up in a bunch of weird and wild colors and ErgoDEX
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And I just, it's just fun.
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I just like the fun of it, right?
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Like to look down at my keyboard, sometimes it's like, there's a rainbow there.
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It's like, oh, how lovely.
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Like I like that kind of thing.
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And I've, I've also learned that like, this is, it's like just this fun little thing.
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Cause I can end up, I really, ultimately what I want to do is, is build a keyboard.
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Cause like you can really go with this.
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And I think that would be a fun thing to aim towards one day, like getting all the parts
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and building one.
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And that it's like a whole different thing.
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But, uh, I'm, I am enjoying going down this rabbit hole.
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So I'm basically saying this like upgradience.
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If you have things that you think I should be looking at in the custom keyboard world,
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the mechanical keyboard world, please tweet them at me because I would like to see them.
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Um, so the other keyboard that I like is the Vortex Race 3, which I wrote about, um, which
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It's got, I think real cherry switches, whereas the, um, Keychron is, uh, Gateron.
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They're like knock off cherry switches.
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They don't feel quite as good, but they're good.
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My other recommendation.
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So WASD is great because you can get them to make anything for you.
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Um, I recommend, uh, Reddit, the mechanical keyboard subreddit.
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Um, there's stuff in there that is good.
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I recommend, um, Massdrop mechanical keyboards.
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That's one of the group buy things, but there are key sets that come up on there that are
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really great if they match the keyboard that you're using.
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And so I think I keep an eye on that and I've ordered a couple of things from Massdrop,
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uh, in mechanical keyboards.
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Um, eBay, believe it or not, there's a lot of mechanical keyboard stuff on eBay.
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I've been trying to find it.
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There's a really good store on eBay, but I can't find its name right now.
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Um, that, that sells a bunch of different, um, keyboard layout stuff and their, their
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storefront is on eBay, but I can't find their name right now.
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But if you search for, uh, whatever kind of things you're looking for, you will find a
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lot of key caps and stuff.
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If you search for...
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I found a lot on Etsy as well.
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I just, I didn't buy anything, but I was just like poking around.
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Especially if you're looking for custom key caps.
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Um, there are a lot of custom key caps on, uh, on eBay.
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And uh, and then yeah, Instagram, uh, as, as mentioned by Joe Steele in the chat room,
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uh, there are a bunch of keyboard companies that are on Instagram.
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So you can follow Pimp My Keyboard, which I've ordered from and Joe linked to Originativ
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Co on, um, on, uh, Instagram.
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So there's, there's a bunch you can fall down deep, deep, deep down that rabbit hole if
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you want to.
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I, I am not looking for keyboards right now.
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I've got two really good keyboards that basically, um, that I love.
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I will probably at some point here, feel that pull of like, could I get another color set
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and replace the key caps because that's fun.
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Um, I think I, I, I, um, was writing on my iPad this week with the Vortex Race 3, which
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is why I actually couldn't find that, that cord.
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I was trying to find like my USB-C to micro USB to hook this because it's not a Bluetooth
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It's just a wired keyboard and I couldn't find one.
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I, I finally found an adapter and I use that instead.
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It feels great though.
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It's a really great keyboard and it looks great.
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Um, but, and I like its key caps better than the, the ones on the, the Keychron, which
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of course immediately makes me think maybe I could get new key caps for the Keychron
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and then it's like, man, don't do that to yourself, but maybe we'll see.
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Oh, I'm just looking at loads of stuff now.
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I really like this is all for me.
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This is all Joshua Topolsky's fault because he tweeted out a picture of this micro keyboard
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that he had with this amazing, weird, yellowy old school layout and I was like, what is
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And he said, here's the rabbit hole.
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That was the end for me.
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That was, that was, the result is that I got a keyboard that I really like.
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Should we do some hashtag ask upgrade questions?
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Let's do it.
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Is that the lasers just shut out the letters on the Hollywood sign.
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It looks terrible over there.
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Greg asks, how do you sync your audio when you both record separately?
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I've been thinking about doing a podcast of a friend, but wondering how you sync the show
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up for easy editing.
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First off, first and foremost, episode 200 of upgrade, right?
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That's the index, like a little footnote there.
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Always listen to that.
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We talk in detail about how we do podcasts, but I'll give you the short version, which
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is both of you record your end, but one of you ideally is recording your end and maybe
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both of you and the person on the other end on a separate file or a separate track.
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And the easiest way to do this is to use Skype call recorder from Ecamm software with Skype.
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Easiest way to do it.
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You can use audio hijack.
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There are lots of other tools.
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Skype call recorder will record your voice and the other person's voice on separate tracks.
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You can export them later.
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And that's great because if you're recording your voice and the other person's voice at
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the same time, you can lay those down in your editing, you know, in garage band or logic
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or fair ride or wherever you want.
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And then you get your friend's file and you line your friend's file up.
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So it's exactly making the sounds at exactly the same time as the one that you recorded
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on your computer.
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You can visibly see it and then you've got that reference.
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So the reference track, whether it's just one person or multiple people, the reference
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track is the most important thing.
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You can do a three to one clap kind of thing.
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But I don't think you need to.
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And the other tip I'll use is when you're lining up tracks to get them to match.
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If you don't have a reference track, people start recording at all sorts of times, but
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they tend to all end recording at the same time.
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So line up the end, not the beginning, but that's the way.
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And then there are syncs you can do.
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And if there's drift in the recording where they're lined up at the beginning and then
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by the end, they're off by a little bit, you just kind of snip and slide it a little bit
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halfway through and get it to be close.
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But the short version is just have a reference track and line up your files to that.
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And my additional tip is don't just line it up once because it's called audio drift.
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So the audio can get out of sync again later on, depending on how long you record.
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So keep the Skype reference track in your audio project.
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And as you're editing through, make sure that it's continuing to match, you might need to
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adjust it a little bit here.
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This is something that you and I do differently.
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I don't keep the track in there.
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But what I do is after I lined it up at the beginning, I go to the end and hear if it's
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And if it's not lined up, what I'll do is I'll go through maybe every 15 or 30 minutes,
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I'll split the clip and line it back up, and then move ahead and then split it again and
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line it back up and deal with the drift that way.
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But once I've got it where I feel like everybody's matching the reference track, I delete the
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reference track because I don't want to deal with it.
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Like I don't want to account for it.
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The reason I keep the reference track is in case I mess up something in the edit and get
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it out sync myself, which I have done many times.
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And then that keeps it in there so I can then get it back into sync again, but it doesn't
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However you edit it, edit it your way, but that's the way that you do it.
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That's the way that we make sure that we line things up is that we keep the reference track.
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Plus it's good to have in case something goes wrong with somebody's audio.
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And then you also, I mean, you have Skype recording.
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Gary wants to know what was your top song from 2019 in your Apple Music replay?
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Okay, so I went and looked at this.
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And my number one song was a song called "My Honest Face" by Inhaler, which is a fun song.
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I sent it to a bunch of my friends who like U2.
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So like John, Syracuse and Merlin.
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And I said, Whoa, these guys sound like they've listened to those early U2 albums as much
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Only yesterday in preparation for this podcast did I look up who Inhaler is and was amused
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to know that this band that sounds a lot like early U2, their lead singer is Bono's son.
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So I'm sure he's heard a lot of U2 and sounds a lot like Bono because it's Bono's son.
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I had no idea.
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But if you like, you know, Boy and War and the early U2, check out "My Honest Face" by
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It is like a tribute to early U2.
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It sounds great.
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Jason, that's hilarious.
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I had no idea.
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Now my number two in the list was "Bags" by Clara, which is actually my favorite song
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But she didn't make it to number one for some reason because I guess I played that song
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"My Honest Face" a lot too.
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My favorite song is "Overnight" by Maggie Rogers, which I mean, this song was my number
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one but like my top 10 songs of the year is just full of Maggie Rogers.
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Like her album is just incredible.
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It's just unbelievable.
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I have a Maggie Rogers story here, which is also really funny that I just realized on
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So on Friday, I was listening because I keep playlists of like my favorite songs of the
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And Friday, I was listening to "Love You for a Long Time" by Maggie Rogers.
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And I thought, I really love this song.
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I need to look up Maggie Rogers and see what other stuff she's got because maybe I should
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listen to other stuff from her.
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And I found first off one of my favorite things that happens in the streaming music era, where
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I'm picking up songs here and there just based on their appearances and various playlists
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is I discover later, not that they're related to somebody from U2, although sometimes that
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happens, but I discover later that I've actually liked several of this person's songs, but
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didn't know it was the same person.
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And that's always a great sign.
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Like after the fact, it's like, "Oh, this person's music really works for you.
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You should explore them further."
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And that's happened to a bunch of artists.
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And I found with Maggie Rogers that in addition to "Love You for a Long Time," she had the
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song "Light On," which was also in the playlist because I really liked that song, at which
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point I finally read up on her history and discovered that viral video where she plays
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her song "Alaska" for Pharrell Williams and he starts to cry because it's so good and
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he has nothing to teach her about being a musician other than keep doing what you're
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doing, which was really great.
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So I've added her album now to my library and I'm going to listen to it.
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So she's great.
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The album that she put out, I think it was last year, it was at the very end of 2018,
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but "Heard It in a Past Life" is just absolutely wall-to-wall incredible.
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Like if you have not listened to that album, you should listen to that album because it
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is absolutely fantastic.
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It's a great example too of somebody she was born, she grew up in rural, like tidal Maryland
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and spent a lot of her formative life with, she was born in 1994, she's pretty young,
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around folk music and she was like a banjo player.
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And then she comes to NYU and is in their creative arts program, basically their music
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program, the Clive Davis School.
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And you can hear her folk music background in her music, but it's modern music.
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She is synthesizing this classic kind of folk music and then taking it to a completely different
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place, which is what makes somebody a great musical artist.
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So yeah, it was great that I saw her in your list here because I just was digging in on
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her on Friday because I like her a lot.
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My other, like the top list is also dominated by Vampire Weekend's most recent album, which
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I absolutely loved.
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It features Danielle, I think it's Danielle Heim from the band Heim, who's also one of
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my favorite, like she's on like three or four of the songs.
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I didn't know that, I'll have to check that out because I like Heim.
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That album is like, it's an absolute return to form for Vampire Weekend, Far From the
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Bride is the name of the album.
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That was my most listened to album of the year.
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It's funny how time works.
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Most of the songs are Maggie Rogers, but I'm listening to the album.
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But yeah, they were my two favorite albums of last year.
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I also loved False Alarm by Tudo Cinema Club.
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So there's more recommendations for you if you want them.
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Marcello asks, "Do you use multiple volumes in your internal Mac boot disk, one for system,
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other for documents or whatever, or do you just use one big volume?
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And are there any pros or cons to one method over the other?"
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After reading about, I forget who it was now, somebody's approach to photos, I actually
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have finally embraced APFS.
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And so I have, well, first off, one for system, one for documents.
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Catalina means that you have a volume for system.
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Like Catalina enforces that you have a volume for system.
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It's called the name of your volume, space, dash, space, system, I think.
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Like that's, everybody gets that now in Catalina.
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But I also have an APFS volume called Photos that has a maximum size.
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And the idea here is that all these APFS volumes share space.
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You don't have to like commit 10 gigs over here and then you don't get that 10 gigs anywhere
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They all share space, which is great.
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But you can enforce a quota.
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And what that means is I've got my photo library set to only download what it needs.
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It's not syncing the whole library because it won't fit on my SSD.
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But as it's downloading what it needs, it's waiting until it gets to a certain percentage
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before it starts deleting stuff.
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So it'll fill up a lot of your drive before it'll start deleting stuff.
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And the tip that I got from somebody who I can't remember now, sorry about that, is make
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a photos volume, give it a quota, a maximum size it can be.
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And then when it reaches near 10% of that, it'll start deleting files and it won't expand
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to fill all the space on your hard drive.
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And so I am doing that.
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And that's the first time I've done something like that.
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But that's it.
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I don't do a lot of partitions.
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I generally just kind of want everything in one place.
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Yeah, I don't do anything like that.
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I feel like I would start to lose track of where everything was being kept and then it
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would just become more of a problem.
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I would say that now with APFS, this is a great time to do that if you're a kind of
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person who wants to do these partitions because they don't steal the space.
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And that's huge, right?
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Again, you don't want to have this, "Oh God, why did I make that partition 50 gigabytes
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because I really could use another 30 gigabytes now and it's over there, it's empty, but I'm
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Like APFS, that doesn't happen.
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So it's much more kind of free, but I never did because I don't need more places to look
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And in the end, it's one logical volume.
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So it doesn't, it's literally one disk.
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So it kind of doesn't matter.
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But with a photos thing, I'm trying that and that's actually pretty cool.
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And our final question today comes from Brian.
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Do you use your left modifier keys or right modifier keys more often?
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And do you think it aligns with your general handedness?
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Oh, Brian, Brian.
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I told Brian on Twitter, this was a good question and I have a little bit of a weird answer
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I discovered that I always use the left command key.
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I never use the right command key.
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The right command key, the right control.
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Somebody was talking because there was a keyboard, back to keyboards.
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There was a keyboard that didn't, what was it?
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It was, they had moved, oh, it was, there was a keyboard that had a little tiny command
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key or control key and they had moved it.
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Like one was only on one side and not the other.
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And I realized the first moment I use this keyboard, I can't use this keyboard because
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this keyboard prioritizes this right command key or control key or whatever, and not the
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So I do everything I do.
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And as somebody pointed out in this Twitter thread, all the good stuff like command S,
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command Q, command A, those are all over there on the left side of the keyboard anyway.
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And yeah, if I want to print something, my left thumb goes down on the command key and
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my right index finger or middle finger goes on the P. I do not switch to the right command
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key and then with my right hand do command P. I can't explain it.
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I can't explain anything about how I type.
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I'm a self taught typist.
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I type fast, but I don't type conventionally.
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I just pot myself.
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It's not a system you learn.
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It's a system I made up and I can't explain the command key other than maybe it goes back
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to when I had an Apple II and there was like the open Apple key and the closed Apple key
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and they were different.
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I don't know.
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The answer is my left thumb does it all.
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So I was trying to pay attention to what I'm doing.
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And the only, the only like real patterns that I'd learned is that I use the left command
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key most often.
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The reason that I think I do this is because most of the shortcuts that I want to use command
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for are located on the left side of the keyboard.
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So like command A, command C, command B. That's where all the good ones are.
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So like I'm used to doing that and I use the right shift key the most because a lot of
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the time when I'm using shift, I'm selecting things and the arrow keys are on the right
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So they're the only two that I've noticed that like I was using those consistently in
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I use the shift on the, on the left side most of the time.
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I think there are times if I'm, I think if like I'm capitalizing a letter on the left
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side, maybe I use the right shift key, but for the most, like using arrow keys to select
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stuff, I don't use like a finger of my right hand to hold down shift while I also use my
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right hand for the arrow keys.
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I do not do that.
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I, I'm using the right hand for the arrow keys and the left hand for the shift key.
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This is surely there have been like a graduate student thesis written on, on keyboarding
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methods, right?
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Where they just photograph people using their keyboards and come up with like what the different
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populations are about that.
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But it's a great question, Brian, because it's, it's super weird, right?
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It's and I don't think it even has to do with left-handed or right-handed because I'm right-handed
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and you're left-handed and we both use the left command key.
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So I don't know.
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I, when I saw this question, I was like, that's a silly question, Brian.
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Nobody does that.
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And then I was like, paid attention to it.
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I was like, oh, I do.
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I have ways that I work.
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So great question, Brian.
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Brian Hamilton.
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And of course, Jason hosts shows over at the incomparable.com as well.
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Thank you so much for listening and we'll be back next time.
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I think we have a special episode planned for next time, right?
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I don't know if we want to give it away, but we can tease it.
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We're working on something fun for the next week.
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Yeah, I think we're in serious danger of doing a draft next week with a special guest.
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There is no Apple event that we're aware of.
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No, this is a historical draft.
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Out of canon.
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But we'll be back next time.
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Until then, say goodbye Jason Snow.
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Goodbye Myke Hurley.
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Enjoy Hollywood!