00:00:08 ◼ ► From Relay FM, this is Upgrade, episode 298. Today's show is brought to you by Pingdom, Linode and ExpressVPN.
00:00:53 ◼ ► And for Macworld, I write the story and then my editor at Macworld looks it over and posts it.
00:01:03 ◼ ► It never fails. Sometimes I will send a story, a big story I'm working on to like five or six
00:01:09 ◼ ► people in advance. And then the moment it posts, people will say, "Oh, this is a typo." And I'll
00:01:13 ◼ ► be like, "I showed it to five people and nobody mentioned the typo." It can be very frustrating.
00:01:18 ◼ ► But I like corrections. I like them in the right context. I want them to be fixed. I want mistakes
00:01:23 ◼ ► to be fixed. That said, it is emotionally difficult when you work very hard on something.
00:01:30 ◼ ► And among the first pieces of feedback you get on it is not about the substance of the material,
00:01:35 ◼ ► but that you made a mistake, a minor mistake. Somewhere like a word was misspelled or was...
00:01:41 ◼ ► These days, it's the wrong word. It's not that a word was misspelled because I do actually run
00:01:46 ◼ ► a spell check. I'm a good speller, but spell checks can find mistyped words, but they don't find
00:01:51 ◼ ► words that were either mistyped as another word or corrected to another word. In the early days
00:01:56 ◼ ► of me writing on the iPad, there was a lot of autocorrect happening. It was really bad. That
00:02:02 ◼ ► was actually an impediment to me trusting the iPad as a writing tool for a while. And these days,
00:02:07 ◼ ► I have all of those things turned off on the hardware keyboard. Once I separated the hardware
00:02:11 ◼ ► keyboard setting from the regular keyboard setting, and I could go into hardware keyboard
00:02:14 ◼ ► and turn off all the autocorrection, I felt much better about writing on the iPad because
00:02:19 ◼ ► you'd have a word turned into a different word that was the wrong word after you had typed it,
00:02:25 ◼ ► and it wouldn't show up in a spell check because it was a word. It was just not the right word.
00:02:37 ◼ ► Absolutely. I mean, for now, I have that turned off, and that's why. It's because if I just
00:02:43 ◼ ► mistyped it, I want to see that I misspelled it. I don't want it turned into some best-guessed word
00:02:48 ◼ ► that is probably the wrong word, or at least there's a chance it's the wrong word. So anyway,
00:02:52 ◼ ► it is emotionally difficult. You put a lot of effort into writing something, and you want people
00:02:57 ◼ ► to read it and appreciate what it's about. And it's not just like, "Please give me praise." It's
00:03:02 ◼ ► also, "Please read the thing that I worked on." And when somebody says, "Oh, it's this word and
00:03:08 ◼ ► not this word," which is frustrating because, of course, I know it's that word and not that word.
00:03:12 ◼ ► Every now and then, I'll make a big mistake that's like, "Whoa, what was I thinking there,
00:03:16 ◼ ► and I have to fix it?" But mostly, it's just that word got mistyped as a different word,
00:03:22 ◼ ► and it went through. And it's just sad when it's like, "Oh, I worked so hard. This is the response
00:03:27 ◼ ► I get." It's just like, "You misspelled the word. Ha-ha." Also, sometimes I do get corrections from
00:03:32 ◼ ► people that include lots of opinions. Those mostly come via email. There's a lot of, "Well, I would
00:03:38 ◼ ► have phrased it this way." And that's a lot less helpful because I do want to fix mistakes, but I'm
00:03:41 ◼ ► not particularly interested in arguing over my choices that I make as a writer. Those I'm a lot
00:03:47 ◼ ► less interested in. So I kind of tune the people out who decide that what they really want to do
00:03:57 ◼ ► not if somebody would have done it differently. - Yeah, exactly. I mean, I, believe it or not,
00:04:03 ◼ ► the things that we write in public are not accidents. Like, I make lots of conscious choices.
00:04:10 ◼ ► And so if somebody wants to debate with me, well, what... A lot of times with tech stuff, it's excess
00:04:15 ◼ ► specificity. Gruber and I talked about this the last time I was on the talk show. A lot of times,
00:04:20 ◼ ► it's somebody who has a very technical knowledge of something. And I will simplify something
00:04:25 ◼ ► because it's not worth getting into. And somebody will go, "Well, actually, it's technically this."
00:04:32 ◼ ► And my response, which I don't usually actually send back to them is, "Yes, I'm aware that that's
00:04:37 ◼ ► technically what it is, but it's beside the point of the article. And this is vague on purpose
00:04:44 ◼ ► because I don't want to get into it." But you get a lot of those too. And I just, it's fine. I just
00:04:49 ◼ ► kind of tune that out. What I always plugged when I was at IDG and we never, it never got prioritized,
00:04:54 ◼ ► it never got implemented was a report, a typo, basically, report an error in this story link
00:05:04 ◼ ► because we had comments on stories at IDG. And so people would put typo corrections at the bottom of
00:05:10 ◼ ► the story in a comment thread. And I hated that. And what I really wanted was a link to basically
00:05:17 ◼ ► a collection box. And then somebody would get those flags and fix the mistakes. Somebody on
00:05:24 ◼ ► staff, whoever it was, whether it was the writer or the editor or a copy editor or whatever,
00:05:28 ◼ ► almost like a bug tracker for errors. And I'm not sure that makes sense for Six Colors because it
00:05:32 ◼ ► really is just me and Dan and people can contact us on Twitter and email and whatever to get that
00:05:38 ◼ ► across to us. And we don't have comments, so it's not quite the same, although it still
00:05:43 ◼ ► shows up in my Twitter mentions. And then somebody mentioned Six Colors and I have a search for
00:05:48 ◼ ► @BleedSixColors. And then for the next week, when I look at that saved search, there's a typo
00:05:54 ◼ ► correction on that page. And it's so frustrating because I already fixed it, but it stays there and
00:05:59 ◼ ► I have to see it every time. It's very frustrating. So I thought about that because it would be really
00:06:07 ◼ ► nice. It would be really nice if somebody could even select text and then choose a thing that was
00:06:12 ◼ ► like, "Report this as a mistake." But I don't know what that would be. I don't know how I would
00:06:17 ◼ ► implement that. I thought about even just having a form on a page that's like, "Report an error
00:06:22 ◼ ► here." But I don't actually think it would drive that much traffic. I think people are just pretty
00:06:27 ◼ ► comfortable in whatever place they can find you of just shooting you a note saying that this word
00:06:33 ◼ ► is wrong. And this is a good question. I mean, nobody wants to make mistakes and it never fails
00:06:40 ◼ ► that as many times as you read over a story before you push it live, the moment that you push it live,
00:06:44 ◼ ► you personally will see mistakes in it. Six Colors posts are frequently edited like eight times in
00:06:53 ◼ ► the first two minutes that they're live because I will suddenly see all these things I didn't see
00:06:58 ◼ ► before. And that's just an effect of writing on the internet that as soon as it's live,
00:07:01 ◼ ► you see. And I have the preview template and all that, doesn't matter. As soon as you see it live,
00:07:06 ◼ ► it changes the way you view it. But then there's always gonna be something. That's just the nature
00:07:13 ◼ ► of it. And I used to work in a system where I had multiple copy edit reads of everything that I
00:07:19 ◼ ► wrote. And that was great because the typos didn't get through. And we don't really live in that
00:07:25 ◼ ► world anymore. I spot typos in the New York Times now. Like, yeah, we just don't live in that world
00:07:32 ◼ ► anymore. Alas. So I have actually considered hiring somebody I used to work with as a kind
00:07:39 ◼ ► of on-call copy editor to send the more important stuff that I am writing about to give it a pass
00:07:46 ◼ ► before I post it. And maybe that will happen at some point. But errors are still gonna get
00:07:50 ◼ ► through. And I appreciate people pointing them out, even though sometimes it's really annoying too.
00:08:07 ◼ ► That's always very frustrating to me. Luckily, oh gosh, why am I saying this? I haven't had an
00:08:15 ◼ ► error in a show for a long time. Well, we do say things here that people will correct us on.
00:08:31 ◼ ► A lot of times we're not wrong. Not that it doesn't bother me, but I don't lose sleep over
00:08:49 ◼ ► it was literally like the last thing I did before I exported. I misclicked on something and slid it.
00:09:00 ◼ ► And you can't rescind a podcast. You're dealing with those errors for a long time because
00:09:05 ◼ ► everybody's podcast player grabs it immediately and sits there. And then a week later they play
00:09:09 ◼ ► it and go, oh, did you know that this is wrong? It's like, yes, I fixed it in the first 10 minutes,
00:09:18 ◼ ► they're reporting a mistake. Cause I can't tell Overcast, download this file again. I wish I could,
00:09:26 ◼ ► but I can't do that. So yeah. Yeah. Nobody likes making mistakes and you want to be right.
00:09:34 ◼ ► And one of the things I've learned as a writer is doing a podcast is just a different thing because
00:09:43 ◼ ► speaking extemporaneously on technical subjects is hard. And we will often, the ones that get us
00:09:54 ◼ ► where people write in are always a tangent that we take. That we haven't prepared for. And so
00:10:01 ◼ ► we're searching our own fallible memories for what we think it was. And it'll always be like,
00:10:06 ◼ ► when, when was that product released? 2012? And somebody would be like, well, actually it was 2011.
00:10:13 ◼ ► And we'd be like, okay, we didn't even look it up. We just were trying to guess it from memory,
00:10:22 ◼ ► something written where you can, you know, you can look it up before you press the post button.
00:10:28 ◼ ► Thank you so much to Stuart for that wonderful Snell Talk question. If you would like to submit
00:10:32 ◼ ► a question for the show, just send out a tweet with the hashtag Snell Talk, and it may be included
00:10:36 ◼ ► for a future episode. Jason, I have a couple of items of follow-up that I would like to bring to
00:10:41 ◼ ► the table today. The first is I want to just talk about the Relay FM members Discord again. This is
00:10:46 ◼ ► something we spoke about last week. This is a new perk for Relay FM members. We have a closed and
00:10:53 ◼ ► private to Relay FM members only Discord server now. It's rocking and rolling over there. It's
00:10:58 ◼ ► been a wonderful week and a bit getting this all set up and we're doing more and more to it. And
00:11:03 ◼ ► the reason we're talking about it again is we have two interesting pieces of functionality added to
00:11:09 ◼ ► the Discord server. One is you can now listen to live stream shows and chat with the show bot
00:11:17 ◼ ► all within Discord. So we're actually, as me and Jason are speaking right now, we're doing our
00:11:23 ◼ ► first live streamed episode. So currently, you can listen in the Relay FM app, you can listen
00:11:28 ◼ ► on the website and you can talk in IRC. That's been around forever. It's still sticking around.
00:11:32 ◼ ► But we now also have the live stream of all shows that are live streamed pumped into the Discord. So
00:11:39 ◼ ► the audio is there and we have a live chat going on there all at the same time. It's amazing. This
00:11:45 ◼ ► means that you can easily listen in the Discord app on basically any platform. It's been possible
00:11:52 ◼ ► to listen on the web, but it's not as easy. This is way easier on iOS. It's way easier on Android,
00:12:01 ◼ ► and you listen to live shows, in my opinion, this is now the best way to do that. If you do enjoy
00:12:06 ◼ ► listening to live shows, this is a great reason to become a Relay FM member. If you do want to be
00:12:11 ◼ ► a Relay FM member and support upgrade, then you can just tap on the first link in your show notes
00:12:16 ◼ ► and it will go straight to the page to give us some money and you get a ton of wonderful benefits
00:12:21 ◼ ► one of them now being the Relay FM members Discord, which also has a really, I'm really
00:12:28 ◼ ► pleased that we were able to get this hyper running with our mods. They were a great team
00:12:31 ◼ ► of people building these bots for us. We do ask upgrade at the end of every show, right? And we've
00:12:36 ◼ ► always collected these questions over Twitter with the hashtag #askupgrade. Now also, if any message
00:12:44 ◼ ► in any channel in the Relay FM members Discord, if you add question mark ask upgrade, it will be
00:12:50 ◼ ► added to the same sheet as the Twitter questions. So now we will be pulling questions from Twitter
00:12:56 ◼ ► and the Relay FM members Discord. So you use the question mark ask upgrade and you can ask us a
00:13:01 ◼ ► question, which is wonderful. That means that if you don't want to be on Twitter or you quit
00:13:05 ◼ ► Twitter or something and you do want to ask us a question and been frustrated that you're not able
00:13:09 ◼ ► to do that, you can now, if you're a Relay FM member, you can just do it in Discord and we'll
00:13:14 ◼ ► get it that way. There's a couple other things. Questions can be longer and something that I
00:13:22 ◼ ► "I don't know about this." Well, you can just ask the question again, put question mark ask upgrade,
00:13:26 ◼ ► and then we might answer it on the show. So I think it's super cool. Next week, we're doing
00:13:31 ◼ ► a mic at the movies. We got some great feedback about the Star Trek Whale movie because it was a
00:13:38 ◼ ► fun and weird movie to do. So we're going to talk about a movie that we've both seen. Although I've
00:13:45 ◼ ► actually, funnily enough, seen this movie more than Jason. And we picked this movie because it is,
00:13:51 ◼ ► in my opinion, the lowest stakes movie I've ever seen in all of the best ways. It's Ferris Bueller's
00:13:58 ◼ ► Day Off from 1986. It's available, I think it's on Netflix. I know at least it is in the UK. So
00:14:06 ◼ ► I will be watching it on Netflix over the next couple of days. But yeah, on the next episode,
00:14:23 ◼ ► Netflix subscribers, go watch Ferris Bueller, 1986. Get a nice shot of happy silliness from the '80s.
00:14:37 ◼ ► I've seen it one time. That time was within the last five years. So I never saw it in the '80s.
00:14:59 ◼ ► Yeah, it's like, "Oh, we do it all the time." It's like, "Okay, sure you do." But you don't
00:15:03 ◼ ► always tell us though, do you? NextVR, with a company that broadcasts sport and live events
00:15:08 ◼ ► in virtual reality, NextVR has now shut down. I was thinking, I wonder if, like, I mean,
00:15:16 ◼ ► this is obviously the best time for them to be bought because there's nothing for them to
00:15:26 ◼ ► was occurring for a while. And like, for them, this is like perfect time. Because I can't imagine
00:15:33 ◼ ► how they, I mean, I don't know what their business is like. But I cannot imagine how they would have
00:15:37 ◼ ► gotten through the next 18 months unless they had very favorable contracts, right? Because there are
00:15:45 ◼ ► no sporting events for them to shoot. But anyway, that may have changed. I don't, we don't know.
00:15:50 ◼ ► I can't predict the future. But anyway, the company has now shut down. They, I looked into
00:15:56 ◼ ► this, they hold a ton of patents. Like this was something that we were talking about before. Like,
00:16:00 ◼ ► oh, maybe Apple also wants their intellectual property as well as their technology. And I just
00:16:07 ◼ ► did some cursory googling. And Jason, they have so many patents about VR. Like, it's wild how many
00:16:12 ◼ ► they have. So I believe at this point that this was a, like a one, two punch type deal. Like, they
00:16:19 ◼ ► have, they now own a bunch of patents for VR, which I'm sure could be extended to AR and anything
00:16:24 ◼ ► you wear on your face to project images. And now they also have a team of people that know how to
00:16:29 ◼ ► build software that ties into hardware. Because NextVR didn't have their own hardware of any kind.
00:16:34 ◼ ► They would tie into Oculus, HTC, Vive, that kind of stuff. So this is obviously an area of interest
00:16:41 ◼ ► for Apple, either AR or VR, right? Because I think there's a lot of crossover in the technologies
00:16:47 ◼ ► here. And it's just depending on what element you're working on. I don't think that this means
00:16:54 ◼ ► that Apple necessarily wants to broadcast VR live events. This could be something for TV Plus, but
00:17:01 ◼ ► for me personally, that feels like the least likely outcome of why they did this, right? Which was to
00:17:06 ◼ ► to buy the company that does this thing because they want to do this thing. I think they wanted
00:17:10 ◼ ► to buy this company because they were doing interesting things. Could be wrong, but that
00:17:15 ◼ ► it doesn't really, I just don't believe that Apple was looking to broadcast NBA and WWE in VR.
00:17:22 ◼ ► I don't think that's the reason to motivate this, right? It's like, aha, we finally got this final
00:17:25 ◼ ► piece of the puzzle. But if, as we've discussed on Upstream before, that Apple is doing, at least
00:17:34 ◼ ► considering live sports, that's a possibility. And we know that Amazon is also experimenting with
00:17:42 ◼ ► this. Netflix doesn't seem interested in live events and that's fine. It's not really part of
00:17:46 ◼ ► their brand, but Apple is. And Apple's working on this AR/VR thing. Having this tech so that, one,
00:17:55 ◼ ► they could potentially use it if they do live sports in the future. And two, don't forget that
00:18:01 ◼ ► they also have their Apple TV channels and the Apple TV as a concept itself. And so if they're
00:18:07 ◼ ► hedging against AR and VR video viewing being a thing in the future, having the ability to do a
00:18:20 ◼ ► but they can also have an AR feed or a VR feed, that's bonus. But yeah, I think it's not probably
00:18:26 ◼ ► the primary use. I wanted to mention, and I mentioned this on Twitter the other day too,
00:18:30 ◼ ► it's funny where my two worlds intersect. A writer named Sarah Pinsker wrote a novel that was
00:18:35 ◼ ► nominated for the Nebula Award this year for best science fiction and fantasy novel called A Song
00:18:40 ◼ ► for a New Day. And it is a little, it's a good book, but it's a little too real because it's
00:18:46 ◼ ► about the after effects of a global pandemic, changing how people work in public spaces. Yeah,
00:18:52 ◼ ► bad timing for Sarah Pinsker to have this book come out right before this. But one of the main
00:18:58 ◼ ► characters in it is a musician and another main character works for this company that's kind of
00:19:03 ◼ ► like a giant live performance VR company. And basically they find musicians and they all
00:19:11 ◼ ► perform in VR because there aren't live performances in the real world anymore because there are no
00:19:16 ◼ ► crowds because of the pandemic. And the novel is sort of arguing about the greatness of live music
00:19:24 ◼ ► and why you, you know, people will go back to live music because it's such a great experience
00:19:29 ◼ ► and it can't be replicated. And there was a post about that from, I think Dave Grohl from
00:19:35 ◼ ► Foo Fighters last week posted about that. So the big company in there, which is called like
00:19:42 ◼ ► Stage Hollow Live or something like that. When this acquisition happened, I was talking to Dan
00:19:47 ◼ ► Morin about this and we're both like, "It's Stage Hollow Live, isn't it?" I mean, it's funny to see
00:19:53 ◼ ► all of these things happening in the real world kind of echoed in some recent sci-fi that we read.
00:19:59 ◼ ► - Last night, we were going through Disney movies right now because Disney+ is amazing.
00:20:04 ◼ ► And we're like, "Oh, I want to watch Tangled," which is one of my favorite Disney animation
00:20:10 ◼ ► movies. It's hilarious. But like you didn't realize, "Oh, it's about being locked away,
00:20:25 ◼ ► - X. Logic Pro X gets a significant update. You may remember, we spoke about this a few weeks ago,
00:20:31 ◼ ► that there was imagery on an Apple education page of what looked like live loops in Logic,
00:20:37 ◼ ► live loops from GarageBand and iOS. That got added. It's one of the big features that got
00:20:43 ◼ ► added to a new update to Logic Pro X. There's a lot of new cool tools in here for musicians,
00:20:54 ◼ ► But the Logic team do publish vast release notes, which is wonderful. And they detail a ton of
00:21:01 ◼ ► performance improvements for all Logic users. So I use Logic, Jason uses Logic, and there are
00:21:07 ◼ ► some fixes in there that will make stuff easier for us as podcast producers, which is great.
00:21:11 ◼ ► - Yeah. I mean, most of the features are music features because it's a music app. I had a back
00:21:15 ◼ ► and forth with somebody on Twitter about this, and it's like, their thesis was, "Wow, this is
00:21:20 ◼ ► a really, you know, kind of a black eye for podcasting that Apple doesn't really care about
00:21:23 ◼ ► it, and all the Logic features are music." But Logic's a music app. It's a music production app.
00:21:28 ◼ ► It's always been, podcasters use a tiny, tiny, tiny fraction of the features. I don't expect them
00:21:34 ◼ ► to cater to me at all. I expect to live in a little, you know, little space between two
00:21:40 ◼ ► rocks, like a little crack. I crawl in there and use Logic and like, just hope that they don't
00:21:46 ◼ ► squash me because I'm not supposed to be there. I'm, you know, and that's true for podcasters.
00:21:52 ◼ ► It's not a spoken word thing. It's not, in fact, the bug that they fixed, one of my big complaints
00:21:57 ◼ ► involves large projects with lots and lots and lots of individual items. And when I'm editing
00:22:04 ◼ ► a four-hour D&D session and I use the silence removal feature to pull silence out, you end up
00:22:12 ◼ ► with thousands of little tiny blobs of audio across four hours of a Logic project. And the fact is,
00:22:18 ◼ ► that is so far out of what you would get in your usual music project in Logic. And I suspect that
00:22:26 ◼ ► I am one of the first people, one of the very few people, to discover a huge slowdown when you
00:22:33 ◼ ► do that. Like, you click on an item, you select a bunch of items, like thousands of items, and you
00:22:37 ◼ ► want to move them a little bit as a part of your podcast edit. And it's really slow. Even on a very
00:22:43 ◼ ► fast Mac, it's incredibly slow. And I mentioned this to somebody on the Pro Apps team, the Pro
00:22:49 ◼ ► Workflows team, actually. And I don't know if that had any effect or not, but I sent a sample project
00:22:55 ◼ ► in. This was like a year ago, but that bug got fixed. It's in the release notes. It's like,
00:23:01 ◼ ► it's much better. And I like that because that's not a feature that people who are making songs in
00:23:09 ◼ ► Logic are going to have to deal with. Now, maybe there are some other extenuating circumstances,
00:23:13 ◼ ► but I kind of feel like that was a good example of them saying, "Oh, yeah, it shouldn't do that.
00:23:18 ◼ ► Why are they, why are people doing it this way? Oh, it's podcasters. All right. Okay, we'll fix
00:23:22 ◼ ► that." And they did. So I'm happy to continue using Logic. I don't use it as much as I used to,
00:23:28 ◼ ► because I am editing so much more on Fairite on the iPad now, but I do use Logic many times a week.
00:23:34 ◼ ► And I'm glad that this update has some nice things in it for us, but it's not a tool for us. And most
00:23:41 ◼ ► of the nice things that are in this update are for the musicians that it should be for.
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00:25:11 ◼ ► In upstream, we take a cursory look at some of the interesting news that is occurring in the
00:25:18 ◼ ► streaming media landscape, something that I think we're both probably very excited about. Out of the
00:25:22 ◼ ► blue, Hamilton is coming to Disney+. This was a movie that was originally slated for a theatrical
00:25:29 ◼ ► release in October 2021, and it's now coming on July 3rd on Disney+. Yeah, I saw a couple of
00:25:36 ◼ ► news stories that said they brought it forward from October, and it's like, no, it was going to
00:25:46 ◼ ► happening here is a lot of movies are getting pushed back because nobody really knows when
00:25:50 ◼ ► those, when theaters are going to be up and running at full strength. And this is something
00:25:56 ◼ ► that they already have in hand because it's not a, it's not like a dramatization, like a movie,
00:26:01 ◼ ► it's not a movie version of Hamilton. It is a filmed version of the original Broadway cast.
00:26:08 ◼ ► They took a couple of days and shot it. So it's, you know, it's shot like a movie and there are
00:26:11 ◼ ► closeups and stuff like that, but it's, it's on stage at the theater and on Broadway with the
00:26:18 ◼ ► original cast. And they've had it in the vault. There have been little clips that have come out
00:26:21 ◼ ► here and there, 60 Minutes, the story about Hamilton that had some clips in it. A few things
00:26:25 ◼ ► have leaked out. It looks great, right? Like they, it is the definitive document. Hamilton was so
00:26:29 ◼ ► successful that they were able to spend the money upfront, take a couple of days and shoot the
00:26:35 ◼ ► original Broadway cast and document them. I wish every great musical and every great Broadway show
00:26:42 ◼ ► of all time got this treatment because it is a way to document this thing that is otherwise
00:26:46 ◼ ► completely ephemeral. And it'll be higher quality than that version that somebody shot from their
00:26:53 ◼ ► smartphone from the balcony that went around the internet, right? But it's in a can, it's done.
00:26:58 ◼ ► And it was just waiting for a good time that Disney thought it would be like a good time for
00:27:02 ◼ ► it to come out. And also they didn't want to clash with all the productions that were there
00:27:09 ◼ ► And the schedule is getting backed up. And I think it's, I think it's great as somebody who likes
00:27:15 ◼ ► Hamilton, but also I think it's a fascinating thing where Disney for this one was like, you know,
00:27:19 ◼ ► we've got it in hand. It's not going to clash with the theaters because there aren't any,
00:27:27 ◼ ► Independence Day in America for Hamilton. Super appropriate time to do it. So I'm very excited.
00:27:34 ◼ ► We'll all get to see this thing that we've all known existed for, right? For a few years now,
00:27:40 ◼ ► we've known that this thing existed and it's like, are they ever going to show it? And they finally
00:27:43 ◼ ► announced that it was going to come to theaters, but it was going to be a year and a half until
00:27:50 ◼ ► - I am so excited for this. I'm going to watch it like a billion times. I just can't wait. Like,
00:27:56 ◼ ► I've really, I can't wait for it. I'm so excited. Like I have, I obviously massive fan of Hamilton.
00:28:04 ◼ ► I think I've seen it three times now in London and I've listened to the album like a million times
00:28:11 ◼ ► and I've always wanted to see, actually see the original cast, like what I know the most.
00:28:24 ◼ ► I'm so pleased. I'm so pleased they're doing this. It makes so much sense. Like why, you know,
00:28:28 ◼ ► it was always a thing of like, why was it always going to come out in October, 2021 anyway? It was
00:28:32 ◼ ► like such a far away time for what seemed like a movie that was already done in, you know, when
00:28:40 ◼ ► Disney originally announced it, they kind of seemed to hint that they were going to be adding more to
00:28:44 ◼ ► it than the original stage recording, but I'm not sure if that's the case or maybe they changed
00:28:55 ◼ ► I was wondering if they were going to take like a cut song and have the original cast sing it and
00:29:01 ◼ ► put it over the end credits or something like that. Right. And who knows, maybe they will,
00:29:04 ◼ ► or maybe they didn't get time to do it and they're just going to go with what they've got.
00:29:07 ◼ ► A little tangent from this is that I've been watching the Disney Plus documentary series
00:29:15 ◼ ► about the Mandalorian, which there are three episodes I think out now and it's fun. It's like,
00:29:19 ◼ ► it's kind of like a DVD extra basically, but it's fun. It's Jon Favreau sitting around a table like
00:29:25 ◼ ► he does. He'd had a whole TV show where he did that with the actors and directors and producers
00:29:31 ◼ ► of the Mandalorian. And it's really a fascinating, that was a fascinating production. And it's fun to
00:29:37 ◼ ► see them talk about it. But I was struck by the fact that, you know, Disney Plus is a good example
00:29:42 ◼ ► of a service that didn't have a big pipeline of originals to begin with. And you have nothing being
00:29:57 ◼ ► of getting more value in that service where they can. The Mandalorian season two was shot. And in
00:30:03 ◼ ► fact, there have been a lot of things that have leaked out about people who've been cast in it.
00:30:14 ◼ ► that a lot of the shows, see, if a show can't be shot, there was one show, The Blacklist,
00:30:20 ◼ ► that just finished its season on NBC. And they shut down during the filming of their final episode
00:30:25 ◼ ► of the season. So they computer animated the scenes they didn't shot. Doctor Who fans will
00:30:31 ◼ ► recognize this as what happened with Shada, the Douglas Adams written story where they did many
00:30:37 ◼ ► years later animate the scenes that weren't shot so they could release it. It's very strange. But
00:30:43 ◼ ► The Blacklist did it because I guess they just wanted to do it. It's very, very, very strange.
00:30:47 ◼ ► Okay, so like this isn't necessarily a bad idea, but they did it on an incredibly low budget,
00:30:59 ◼ ► It's super weird and stylized and, you know, but I get what they were trying. I kept watching it
00:31:06 ◼ ► thinking you should probably, when you're able to shoot again, you should probably shoot all these
00:31:12 ◼ ► scenes and replace them and never have this be seen again, right? Like you shouldn't, don't leave
00:31:16 ◼ ► this out there as a historic document. Just erase all memory of it. - This comes out on DVD or
00:31:20 ◼ ► streaming, like just replace it. - Just replace it. - Yeah. - So, but this is, I did a link on
00:31:27 ◼ ► Six Colors about this. Like there's a lot of this. So Mandalorian, I believe, is still going to come
00:31:32 ◼ ► out this year because they shot all of season two. So they have to do post-production. And we've seen
00:31:37 ◼ ► a lot of shots of like people doing work from their houses. You know, ILM is doing special
00:31:45 ◼ ► effects where everybody's in their houses. There was a shot of one of the editors on Star Trek
00:31:51 ◼ ► Discovery season three, which has also completed all of its photography. And they were doing,
00:31:56 ◼ ► you know, there was a great shot a while ago of the, like an old trashcan Mac Pro and some monitors
00:32:02 ◼ ► next, you know, in somebody's house with like the staircase and some pictures on the walls. And
00:32:06 ◼ ► they're just, they're a video editor and they're doing it from home now. And the story I linked to
00:32:11 ◼ ► on Six Colors last week was from Jeff Russo, who is the composer of Star Trek Discovery.
00:32:16 ◼ ► And initially when this all started, he was like, well, I'm not going to be able to do the score
00:32:21 ◼ ► until we come back. But he's realized that that's going to be a while until he can get a whole
00:32:27 ◼ ► orchestra together to play. So they are doing the music for that. And I think he did it for Umbrella
00:32:33 ◼ ► Academy this way too, which is they are recording individual people. They're sending them gear and
00:32:39 ◼ ► telling them how to set it up. Individual players are recording their parts. And then they're using
00:32:44 ◼ ► their, you know, using logic or another digital audio workstation to assemble all the individual
00:32:50 ◼ ► parts together to make it sound like they're playing as an ensemble. But it's entirely individual
00:32:57 ◼ ► recordings from people's houses playing along with the music, which is how they do all these other
00:33:02 ◼ ► group performances, including the Hamilton one that was on John Krasinski's Some Good News show
00:33:08 ◼ ► a few weeks ago. Like that's how you do it is everybody's recording to a sync track and then you
00:33:13 ◼ ► put it all together and you've got something that sounds really good, even though they weren't
00:33:17 ◼ ► together and none of them heard the whole thing when they were recording it. But I'm fascinated
00:33:21 ◼ ► that essentially you're doing an ensemble or a like a small orchestra doing a soundtrack to a TV
00:33:28 ◼ ► show and that's all happening remotely too. So we're going to see some really interesting stuff
00:33:32 ◼ ► in the next few months of things as we finish the stuff that's in the can before the virus hit
00:33:38 ◼ ► and start seeing the stuff that was shot before the virus hit but had to be post-production had
00:33:46 ◼ ► technology to do all this stuff. Apple have signed a first look TV deal with Ridley Scott's production
00:33:52 ◼ ► company, Scott Free. Scott Free produced a bunch of movies but their TV stuff includes The Good Wife
00:33:58 ◼ ► and The Man in the High Castle as like some of their most successful programs. So this is just
00:34:04 ◼ ► a TV only deal but Apple's going to get first look at any projects coming from Scott Free.
00:34:10 ◼ ► So continuing to sign on big creators which is you know interesting for them. We'll see if the
00:34:16 ◼ ► content exists. Mythic Quest. So this is the video game company TV show that I still haven't seen but
00:34:24 ◼ ► want to see. It's high on my list of things. I've seen one episode and it was funny and I need to
00:34:28 ◼ ► see more. So they're going to be airing a special episode on May 22nd I think it is. They're doing
00:34:35 ◼ ► like a quarantine episode. So it's like how a game company would be dealing with stay at home orders
00:34:44 ◼ ► and working over Zoom. So they're just it's all shot on iPhone. I think it was one of those things
00:34:49 ◼ ► that are like hey we could just do this. So they're doing it. It was a bonus. We're an Apple TV plus
00:34:54 ◼ ► we can get iPhones. Yeah but I think it's one of those things where it's like this makes sense of
00:34:59 ◼ ► in the context of the show which for many shows it won't no matter how much they try but this
00:35:03 ◼ ► makes sense within the context of the show. Could be and I'm sure will be funny in its own way
00:35:15 ◼ ► So you know I think it's a clever idea. It's like a one-off but that's something that's going to be
00:35:20 ◼ ► coming out on May 22nd. I want to talk about Apple released a letter yesterday. A kind of a how they're
00:35:27 ◼ ► reopening their stores. So I want to give the rundown of what Apple's going to be doing. This
00:35:32 ◼ ► came from Deidre O'Brien, Apple's people head. They currently have 100 Apple stores opened around the
00:35:38 ◼ ► world and that's changing a lot now. They're opening more. They're opening more in the US
00:35:42 ◼ ► this week. They're opening in Italy this week as well I believe. In the stores that are opening and
00:35:47 ◼ ► in stores that will open these are the measures that Apple are going to take. They're going to be
00:35:51 ◼ ► limiting occupancy to enable social distancing so it'll be keeping people outside. Queues right.
00:35:56 ◼ ► It's going to look like iPhone day every day. They're going to be renewing their focus on
00:36:01 ◼ ► one-on-one service at the Genius Bar. Now here's a question. I feel like I haven't heard the phrase
00:36:06 ◼ ► Genius Bar in a while. Am I wrong? Yeah. Yeah it has not been an emphasized brand name but yeah.
00:36:12 ◼ ► Genius Bar is back baby. So that's the thing. They're going to be requiring face coverings for
00:36:19 ◼ ► anybody going into an Apple store. If you don't have one Apple will be giving you one. Temperature
00:36:24 ◼ ► checks will be required before entry of any stores and they may also ask you health questions. They're
00:36:29 ◼ ► going to have like posters and stuff for symptoms. They may ask you symptoms and they're going to be
00:36:34 ◼ ► doing cleaning, wiping down of devices and surfaces throughout the day. So they're going to be doing
00:36:44 ◼ ► curbside pickup and drop off for this is a thing that Apple haven't done before but it's going to
00:36:49 ◼ ► be an option so you can order online and they'll bring it out to the curb or they'll come and take
00:36:54 ◼ ► something from you if you're bringing it in for repair. Yeah this is going to be this is very
00:37:00 ◼ ► different and a lot of people are going to be very uncomfortable with it. I think at Apple and
00:37:07 ◼ ► outside of Apple it's super strange right to imagine going to a retail store and they're saying
00:37:14 ◼ ► put this over your face and we're going to take your temperature. Yeah like this is going to
00:37:18 ◼ ► redefine redefine what the Apple store does but I think a part of that too is that they we live in
00:37:24 ◼ ► a world where a lot of stuff is going to be redefined at least temporarily and so you know
00:37:28 ◼ ► I had this experience last week I talked about it where my wife's phone you know the battery swelled
00:37:33 ◼ ► and we needed to replace it and in the old days I would have just taken it to the Apple store on
00:37:37 ◼ ► Monday and replaced it and instead I had to wait two days for the box to come and then put it in
00:37:43 ◼ ► the box and then mail it back to them and then they'll get it and then they'll mail one back to
00:37:46 ◼ ► us and that's how it's going to work and they've always offered that but like the convenience of
00:37:50 ◼ ► Apple retail stores is you could just drive one exit up the freeway and do this so that stuff
00:37:55 ◼ ► coming back kind of makes sense to me if you're if you need to buy something to go there and and
00:38:00 ◼ ► I mean you can get it online and they're going to push people there but you could always do in-store
00:38:06 ◼ ► pickup not just kind of wander in but and I think there'll be more of that right a lot of retail
00:38:11 ◼ ► stores when they come back are coming back in a sort of curbside service I'm going to place my order
00:38:16 ◼ ► and then I'm going to go and say I have an order ready to be picked up and they'll bring it out
00:38:20 ◼ ► and that's it right like you're not going to linger in the store my understanding is that the capacity
00:38:28 ◼ ► employees are going to be in so the service is going to be slower it's not just that you're
00:38:32 ◼ ► going to wait in line because there are fewer people in the store but service will also be
00:38:35 ◼ ► slower potentially here but you know this is this is where we are oh they want they're gonna my
00:38:42 ◼ ► understanding is they're not going to do like in-store device setup like they used to do they
00:38:46 ◼ ► like to like take it out of the box and do all that it's too much time right with a person takes
00:38:50 ◼ ► too much time yeah and and of course you're trying to minimize the amount of time anybody's spending
00:38:54 ◼ ► inside an enclosed space anyway so yeah I would imagine that unless you demand to have help setting
00:39:02 ◼ ► up your iPhone that they're just going to give you the phone in a little bag and say goodbye
00:39:05 ◼ ► and and it'll be like that for a while but if you've got a broken piece of equipment and you
00:39:10 ◼ ► haven't been able to take it to an Apple store to get it fixed or something like that at least
00:39:14 ◼ ► that kind of stuff is is hopefully going to come back and but this is an interim state right it's
00:39:21 ◼ ► it's not the Apple store we know it's like a different kind of Apple retail because I mean
00:39:27 ◼ ► I assume something that going to de-emphasize which seems like people shouldn't be doing this
00:39:32 ◼ ► anyway but Apple should also limit it it's like you shouldn't be going in there to browse
00:39:35 ◼ ► yeah like browsing in retail stores needs to stop for now right like that just seems logical to me
00:39:43 ◼ ► because why like why you know like go to the Apple store if you have something to do like you have to
00:39:50 ◼ ► do your computer is broken and you got to work go to the Apple store get it fixed but like if you
00:39:55 ◼ ► want to buy a product just buy it online right like I don't and if you need it today you can
00:40:01 ◼ ► probably buy it for in-store pickup yeah today and then you go there and wait in the line and they
00:40:06 ◼ ► hand it to you when you leave but yeah you're flipping through like watch bands and stuff yes
00:40:11 ◼ ► it's probably not not the best use that that said if you are seriously considering buying a new
00:40:18 ◼ ► laptop and you can't decide between the 13-inch MacBook Pro and the retina MacBook Air and you
00:40:23 ◼ ► want to see them I you know I think you're going to be able to go into the store with a mask on
00:40:29 ◼ ► and look at them and touch them but I see that as different to browsing it's true it's not it's
00:40:34 ◼ ► it's more tactical right yes and everything you touch with your filthy filthy fingers will be
00:40:38 ◼ ► immediately sanitized by an Apple employee but you'll you'll get the opportunity to do that but
00:40:42 ◼ ► yeah it's a different world yeah it's like if you do need to buy a laptop or you need to buy a phone
00:40:46 ◼ ► right you have to and you don't know what you want well that Apple store is there to help you go in
00:40:51 ◼ ► and take a look at it but you shouldn't just be popping to the Apple store like you maybe would
00:40:57 ◼ ► have before to take a look at the new Apple watch band colors like don't you don't do that just don't
00:41:03 ◼ ► just don't buy the band or buy it online and return it if you don't like it like don't go to the store
00:41:09 ◼ ► because like going to an Apple store is gonna suck right like you have to go and stand in a line and
00:41:15 ◼ ► you'll be there for a long time then someone's gonna take your temperature which is just freaking
00:41:20 ◼ ► weird right like it's just weird to have to do that like I'm so pleased they are doing it one
00:41:26 ◼ ► of those little laser scanner thingies where it'd be like but it's just like a very strange thing to
00:41:32 ◼ ► to submit yourself to right like having your temperature taken I want to make it very clear
00:41:37 ◼ ► I'm very pleased they're doing it they should be doing it stores should do this stuff right to
00:41:42 ◼ ► protect their employees but it's a very peculiar thing to go and do so don't just do it for fun
00:41:49 ◼ ► right like very specific reasons that you should be going to these places anywhere now really
00:41:56 ◼ ► um no no browsing just don't go browse I feel so bad for the Apple store employees like I just
00:42:03 ◼ ► I feel so bad for them you know like it just seems like not a great situation to have to be in so
00:42:10 ◼ ► especially when they're working for a company where like everybody else has been told to stay
00:42:15 ◼ ► at home but if you're in retail you've now got to go back to public and there's just something
00:42:23 ◼ ► that's uncomfortable about that right and it's a shame so I don't know if it makes any difference
00:42:29 ◼ ► but I'll just say it like if you're listening to the show just don't go to the Apple store like
00:42:33 ◼ ► unless you have to unless you have to really think about that like really do you have to do you have
00:42:40 ◼ ► to in the sense of like you might jeopardize your own health have to this is the larger story about
00:42:46 ◼ ► like reopening businesses after everything just completely shut down which is the watchword here
00:42:54 ◼ ► still needs to be minimize your chances of exposure right that's the fundamental is just
00:43:00 ◼ ► the more times you go outside the house the more times you get close to other people the more times
00:43:06 ◼ ► especially you are in enclosed spaces with other people around the more chance you have
00:43:18 ◼ ► follow those rules right like do I need to do this and like just like we've been doing that
00:43:27 ◼ ► for shopping right we used to go um Lauren always talks about how she she would go like you go to
00:43:33 ◼ ► Trader Joe's you go to Whole Foods you go to Safeway you go to Costco you get different things
00:43:36 ◼ ► different places and all that the best of all the things you want and now it's like we go to Safeway
00:43:42 ◼ ► once a week and maybe if we're out of something in particular during the week we will do a quick
00:43:48 ◼ ► thing to Whole Foods but it's one of us and it's in and out and that's just about minimizing your
00:43:54 ◼ ► chances of exposure and that goes for the Apple store too if you need to go go once it's open
00:43:59 ◼ ► great but um so much stuff can be done without going to the physical store or if you do need to
00:44:06 ◼ ► go get something like I said same day or next day you can do an online order and they'll bring it
00:44:12 ◼ ► out to you I think so that's the way to do it. All right let's take a break this episode is brought
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00:45:49 ◼ ► show and all of relay FM Taiwan Semiconductor are opening a fabrication factory based in Arizona
00:45:59 ◼ ► Taiwan Semiconductor will begin construction on this new chip factory in 2021 with the first chips
00:46:05 ◼ ► likely to be shipping from 2024 TSMC are the manufacturer of Apple's A series processors
00:46:13 ◼ ► this is very interesting this is very interesting it is I if you're a member of Stratechery Ben
00:46:20 ◼ ► Thompson site I highly recommend a piece that he wrote last week about Taiwan and tech's geopolitical
00:46:26 ◼ ► realities Ben Thompson lives in Taiwan so he has a very good perspective on this and TSMC these the
00:46:34 ◼ ► chip makers they're basically the leader in chip manufacturing now having surpassed Intel but the
00:46:39 ◼ ► difference is that they are a chip maker for hire and Intel insists on making their own stuff and
00:46:46 ◼ ► this is fascinating because Intel has made chips in America for a long time but Ben Thompson's point
00:46:51 ◼ ► is this is a real strategic opportunity to not only broaden the places that make these chips by having
00:47:00 ◼ ► them also make them in the US and not just in Taiwan it potentially has a huge issue for the
00:47:06 ◼ ► international balance of power which is kind of fascinating because Taiwan is the most disputed
00:47:13 ◼ ► place on the planet in terms of China and the US to superpowers and if you think about vulnerabilities
00:47:23 ◼ ► having all of your chips made in Taiwan is potentially one also talking about manufacturing
00:47:29 ◼ ► more things in the US you know Intel has had the opportunity to do chip making for hire for a long
00:47:35 ◼ ► time and always resisted and TSMC building a plant in Arizona it's just really interesting whether
00:47:41 ◼ ► Apple uses it or not although it wouldn't surprise me if Apple is interested in this as part of their
00:47:47 ◼ ► kind of diversification of their of their supply chain maybe they can use that space that that
00:47:52 ◼ ► the glass manufacturer that went out of business was going to use in Arizona I think that this
00:47:59 ◼ ► makes a lot of sense politically for Apple right like it allows them as they move even further
00:48:07 ◼ ► again like one of the reasons I included this in the show today is because it comes back to arm
00:48:11 ◼ ► again right if Apple are going to move to designing their own processes for all of their products
00:48:18 ◼ ► TSMC will be working with them more and more right like because then potentially TSMC will be making
00:48:27 ◼ ► all of the chips that go into Apple's Macs yeah it's all that Intel business moves over to TSMC
00:48:32 ◼ ► so this will allow them to say again right more and more of our products are being made in America
00:48:40 ◼ ► or parts are being made in America plus there are just like logistical benefits right flying
00:48:46 ◼ ► people to Arizona or just setting up a shop in Arizona rather than flying people to Taiwan
00:48:53 ◼ ► right like that has got to be a massive benefit logistically for Apple as well ultimately the
00:49:00 ◼ ► chips need to go from Arizona maybe to somewhere else or this is like another piece of allowing
00:49:08 ◼ ► for more products to be assembled in America right which is again for many reasons something Apple
00:49:16 ◼ ► might want to do there is a diversification angle to this right just in general right like
00:49:21 ◼ ► and I would imagine companies all over the world now no matter where your stuff is made are
00:49:26 ◼ ► thinking about can we diversify right like this is our points of failure right because you can
00:49:34 ◼ ► imagine right as coronavirus hit you could have put more work into the Arizona factory for three
00:49:40 ◼ ► months until the Taiwan factories or the China factories are back online and you can move the
00:49:46 ◼ ► production back there as the Arizona factory shuts down right like that would have been a great
00:49:51 ◼ ► benefit to have these multiple plants available to you so this is like another I mean this is
00:49:58 ◼ ► the reason that TSMC are doing this I'm sure they've gotten a ton of great breaks right and
00:50:05 ◼ ► you don't you don't build a factory you don't commit to building a factory unless you've got
00:50:10 ◼ ► yeah tax breaks and probably customers who will pay you to build the factory to you know with
00:50:17 ◼ ► with their contracts so it's entirely possible and I don't know the the facts that this is you know
00:50:23 ◼ ► Arizona is giving them a break and Apple is saying they're in and other clients are saying they're
00:50:29 ◼ ► in and they're like well yeah okay let's do it let's yeah let's build this because building a
00:50:32 ◼ ► new chip factory is not cheap but there are you know microprocessor this is microprocessors have
00:50:38 ◼ ► been made in the U.S. for a long time this isn't one of those things where it's like well this is
00:50:42 ◼ ► weird this is a whole new class of thing that's being made in the U.S. this is a thing that's been
00:50:46 ◼ ► made you know Intel especially but IBM and others and yeah it's like again I'm struck by Ben Thompson's
00:50:54 ◼ ► read on this which is this is this is kind of TSMC eating out eating Intel's lunch a little bit
00:51:00 ◼ ► where Intel had the opportunity to to take on this kind of work and build these factories or use their
00:51:07 ◼ ► existing factories and TSMC has excelled in saying we'll build whatever you want and now they're going
00:51:13 ◼ ► to be building it on Intel's home turf and that's really interesting. It was a report from Digiday
00:51:18 ◼ ► about from a bunch of sources inside of the media industry that Apple has been contacting existing
00:51:26 ◼ ► Apple News Plus publishers to get permission to produce professional audio versions of their
00:51:32 ◼ ► stories. In this agreement Apple would handle all of the production and the cost for the recordings
00:51:38 ◼ ► compensating publishers the same way that they do now so 50% of the subscription fee to Apple News
00:51:44 ◼ ► Plus based on the amount of time spent with a publisher right so if people are reading your
00:51:50 ◼ ► stuff you get and like I don't know I would assume Apple collect up all of the time and all of the
00:51:57 ◼ ► links consumed over the course of a month work out who had the most people and then splits their cut
00:52:05 ◼ ► up amongst it. It's very complicated and causes lots of frustration for people that are in the
00:52:12 ◼ ► Apple News Plus program but that's the way that they're doing it. This idea of professionally read
00:52:19 ◼ ► versions of news stories is something that exists in the news industry already. Some publishers do
00:52:25 ◼ ► it directly. There are some companies I do not remember the name off the top of my head but there
00:52:29 ◼ ► is a company in the UK which is like a coalition of various newspaper companies. They created a
00:52:36 ◼ ► company together that does this for them right because like I think Good Guardians involved and
00:52:42 ◼ ► I know the financial times has this as well but like so there's just you have a company that's
00:52:46 ◼ ► got a whole bunch of readers and then they distribute the stuff out and they turn it around
00:52:49 ◼ ► and they sit there and they just read articles all day long and then those get published out and
00:52:53 ◼ ► that's how you get a professionally read version of those stories because you have to you have to
00:52:59 ◼ ► turn it around fast. But I wonder how this will look. I saw several people mention this is great
00:53:05 ◼ ► for accessibility right because you're going to have better audio access to this content.
00:53:11 ◼ ► I do wonder if this is going to end up being almost like a podcast where if you're an Apple
00:53:17 ◼ ► News Plus subscriber you have the ability to basically say you know play my top stories and
00:53:22 ◼ ► have it just play a bunch of stories. It's not going to be the same quite as a podcast but it's
00:53:27 ◼ ► kind of like that of just give me an audio feed of whatever the news is and whatever top stories
00:53:36 ◼ ► You can do it through the HomePod you can do it obviously on your other devices. It's an interesting
00:53:41 ◼ ► idea. And also as well for people like me who do not enjoy reading especially really long articles
00:53:48 ◼ ► this would be a great way for me to consume that content. So you just mentioned Ben Thompson. I
00:53:54 ◼ ► have long wanted to subscribe to Stratechery because people always talk about how good the
00:53:59 ◼ ► content is but I just wouldn't read a newsletter every day. A few months ago Ben created the
00:54:06 ◼ ► Stratechery Daily Update podcast and I'd listen every single day because it is like a 10 or 15
00:54:13 ◼ ► minute or him reading the email is great for me because that fits my consumption habits and
00:54:21 ◼ ► preferences. So this is a thing where like I would only now be interested in Apple News Plus if they
00:54:29 ◼ ► offered this. It seems like if the price stayed the same good deal for consumers it's like an
00:54:36 ◼ ► additional benefit of the service provided that the content that you want to consume is there
00:54:41 ◼ ► right because one they've got to it's you know the stuff that you want to know has got to be in
00:54:48 ◼ ► Apple News Plus and then two that company that outlet would have had to agree for Apple to do
00:54:54 ◼ ► this for their stories and I guess three the particular stories you're interested in have
00:54:59 ◼ ► to be recorded right because there is like a person at hour in this right like it's a time
00:55:05 ◼ ► to produce because they're not doing this with like a Siri voice is the understanding like it's
00:55:11 ◼ ► actually people reading professional readers yeah in my opinion this should have been part of the
00:55:18 ◼ ► Apple News Plus subscription from the beginning like it would have made it more compelling
00:55:22 ◼ ► it's just like a package but adding it later will still be interesting from the Digiday article as
00:55:30 ◼ ► you can imagine this is being met with some skepticism from publishers which is why Digiday
00:55:35 ◼ ► know about it anyway because people in the media industry are complaining. Apple News Plus is still
00:55:42 ◼ ► continuing to not work out financially for publishers that are on board with it because
00:55:47 ◼ ► there aren't enough subscribers because there isn't enough of a hook for people to sign up and Apple's
00:55:53 ◼ ► taking 50% of a $5 a month subscription but a lot of publishers are worried that audio stories
00:56:00 ◼ ► because they take longer to consume will continue to further skew who gets the payouts so it's like
00:56:07 ◼ ► a chicken and egg problem here if you don't sign up to this you may actually serve to to lose more
00:56:14 ◼ ► money right because someone may read your article for a couple of minutes and then listen to your
00:56:21 ◼ ► competitors for 10 and even though the articles may be the same length people a lot of people
00:56:26 ◼ ► read faster than they can you know then something could be read to them so it's going to further
00:56:30 ◼ ► skew where these payouts are coming from I wonder what's going to happen here but I will say as a
00:56:36 ◼ ► consumer this is an interesting proposition for me what do you think? I'm fascinated by it
00:56:43 ◼ ► it's not my thing it's your thing so I like to hear your perspective about it so I appreciate
00:56:50 ◼ ► that I'm not going to ever choose listening if I was in a car commute or something again I might
00:56:57 ◼ ► listen to something like this but for me Ben's newsletter is always preferred and I don't listen
00:57:02 ◼ ► to his podcast unless it's an interview yeah because I'd rather listen to an interview than
00:57:06 ◼ ► read an interview transcript but I'd rather read a written piece rather than hear the writer read it
00:57:12 ◼ ► out loud but the the idea here is to provide other avenues for it and that's why I think it's super
00:57:17 ◼ ► smart is not everybody wants I think about this all the time as somebody who's a writer also a
00:57:22 ◼ ► podcaster right but I'm also a writer and I think about those pieces and sometimes I feel like I
00:57:29 ◼ ► know there's a lot of overlap but my stories have an audience which is readers and my podcasts have
00:57:34 ◼ ► an audience which is listeners and there is a portion of each audience that is not on the other
00:57:41 ◼ ► side like there are people who listen to this podcast who don't want to read my articles
00:57:45 ◼ ► because they don't want to read and there are people who read my articles who don't listen
00:57:50 ◼ ► to podcasts so it's a smart way to get more people reading your stuff or in consuming I guess
00:57:57 ◼ ► consuming your content in some way so I will ask you as a producer of content right would you
00:58:07 ◼ ► be open to this and I guess point two somebody who already produces audio how would you feel about
00:58:14 ◼ ► someone else reading your stuff so first thing is six colors I have thought about it you know
00:58:21 ◼ ► I'm not sure whether there's great value in reading six colors pieces for members but I thought about
00:58:27 ◼ ► it it's a lot of extra work I would just say like as a six colors subscriber I would love I'm just
00:58:33 ◼ ► telling you right now so you can file this feature request wherever you want but yeah I'll file it
00:58:37 ◼ ► somewhere not of your articles but of the newsletter yeah well that's what I was thinking
00:58:43 ◼ ► is essentially the member members only articles could that be a monthly or even weekly article by
00:58:49 ◼ ► article kind of thing I definitely have thought about it and will continue to think about it
00:58:53 ◼ ► it is people in the discord are pointing out like news on a regular basis it reminds them of
00:59:01 ◼ ► we did subnet on relay yeah it's a daily news podcast and my memory of that is and Stephen
00:59:07 ◼ ► Hackett's memory even more so is it's a lot of work and it's every day kind of work and that's
00:59:13 ◼ ► that's the thing whenever you commit to doing something like that you're not just committing
00:59:16 ◼ ► to doing it once you're committing to doing it the same every single time and that is a big
00:59:21 ◼ ► commitment so it's not one that you take lightly you have to really seriously consider it but that
00:59:26 ◼ ► type of content like you know from the reverse it's much easier to I don't want to use this word
00:59:34 ◼ ► but I have no other way to say it monetize content like this with direct payment than it is of
00:59:39 ◼ ► advertising it's very hard to to advertising on a three time a week 10 minute exactly oh yeah that
00:59:47 ◼ ► doesn't it doesn't make sense it's definitely something that fits better as a as a premium
00:59:51 ◼ ► kind of thing yeah I have a little more hesitation about having somebody else or read my pieces for
00:59:57 ◼ ► me then again it's always that thing where it's like if if Apple's gonna back up a truck full of
01:00:03 ◼ ► money to my house and and say here we want to have all your stories and we're gonna have some
01:00:09 ◼ ► random person read them I would say yes I think the interesting thing about this report is that
01:00:20 ◼ ► they're already kind of skeptical so is there a renegotiation here which is okay we're going to
01:00:25 ◼ ► give you this but we want you to reduce your cut or something like that because yeah it's all part
01:00:30 ◼ ► of a negotiation but you know if it's worth it to them also you got to think about Apple News
01:00:35 ◼ ► one of the appeals of Apple News is it's another another revenue generating opportunity for a lot
01:00:43 ◼ ► of publishers without them having to do a lot in terms of building their own technology they're
01:00:53 ◼ ► and build a subscription audio feed or anything they just say okay apple do it and you know then
01:01:01 ◼ ► again the the flip side of that is if they all have their own subscribers yeah and they look at
01:01:07 ◼ ► this and they think well wait a second why shouldn't we do this and give it to our subscribers or the
01:01:11 ◼ ► publications that do already do it because there are some exactly and it's kind of like oh you know
01:01:17 ◼ ► like you can imagine for them it's like you're now encroaching on another one of our unique points
01:01:22 ◼ ► for why people should give us money directly in many ways this is just more of the same about
01:01:27 ◼ ► Apple News which is it's Apple wanting to build this thing publishers being skeptical this is
01:01:33 ◼ ► another way that Apple can make Apple News plus a better service yeah but it hits all the same
01:01:40 ◼ ► questions that this whole thing hits in terms of why as a publisher you would be a part of this
01:01:48 ◼ ► service when you sell your own you know and it's always interesting to us like this is Apple and
01:01:56 ◼ ► audio production now like hmm right like we have been wondering about this for a while you know
01:02:04 ◼ ► like Apple seem to be making hires in the podcast space right it wouldn't surprise me I mean I said
01:02:11 ◼ ► it would be podcast like it wouldn't surprise me if part of the strategy here is actually to build
01:02:15 ◼ ► a news podcast for Apple News plus subscribers that includes the contents of stories on Apple
01:02:23 ◼ ► News plus but it is not just a dry now I will read a story but something that's a little more produced
01:02:29 ◼ ► that would be a product that would be we talked about like premium podcasts from Apple well what
01:02:35 ◼ ► if it was a premium audio program not a podcast that was just for Apple News plus subscribers
01:02:41 ◼ ► could be could that could be something they could do too that's different but they it could be part
01:02:46 ◼ ► of this you know kind of larger approach to them but it comes back to the the content owners and
01:02:52 ◼ ► whether they're getting you know Apple doesn't have a service if the content owners don't play
01:02:57 ◼ ► ball so Apple has to make it worth their while in the long run like I think the biggest impediment
01:03:02 ◼ ► to the long-term success of Apple News plus isn't really the quality of the services built by Apple
01:03:08 ◼ ► it's whether they have the content sources or not because I think looking at it now I feel like it's
01:03:14 ◼ ► more likely that everybody walks away than that they pick up more people and they add more services
01:03:19 ◼ ► to the to the bundle I think I still am dubious about whether this is a good long-term play for
01:03:25 ◼ ► any publisher so this is it's it'll it'll be fascinating to see how this how this works and
01:03:31 ◼ ► if they negotiate better terms but uh but all the same things come into play which is like great
01:03:36 ◼ ► it's great that Apple's doing this shouldn't you be doing this yourself and and selling it directly
01:03:40 ◼ ► I wonder if we're gonna see departures like I wonder if there are contracts in place for like
01:03:46 ◼ ► term periods that people had to be on Apple News plus for you know like bigger publishers like
01:03:51 ◼ ► agree to do it for like a year 18 months something like that like if that's the case we start seeing
01:03:56 ◼ ► companies leave the platform like everyone's so unhappy about it right surely you're gonna start
01:04:03 ◼ ► to see people leaving it at some point like if they don't think that it's worth it for them
01:04:13 ◼ ► yeah but Apple News plus is still unfortunately the ugly duckling of the streaming services like
01:04:18 ◼ ► Apple's like subscription services their their services area it really isn't the one that's
01:04:25 ◼ ► that's making waves people don't necessarily on the whole seem very happy with it on either side
01:04:30 ◼ ► but I'm I'm actually pleased to see that they're appear to be doing something right like they're
01:04:38 ◼ ► not just taking it and just like like taking it lying down basically like they are trying to make
01:04:44 ◼ ► it a better service for everyone involved whether people like it or not I guess yes yeah well put
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01:06:20 ◼ ► if you are using screen time how much of a difference are you seeing between your devices
01:06:27 ◼ ► or how much difference are you seeing on your devices now that you are mostly stuck inside so
01:06:32 ◼ ► i actually think it's kind of funny right now when i get the screen time notification kind of like on
01:06:37 ◼ ► a sunday night monday morning whenever it comes through because it is varying wildly for me right
01:06:42 ◼ ► now jason some weeks i'm up like 50 some weeks down 50 and i don't really know why i am varying
01:06:50 ◼ ► the levels that i am but i'm seeing these huge differences right now if you do you use screen
01:06:55 ◼ ► time oh i have completely given up on screen time because i find the information it gives me
01:07:01 ◼ ► completely useless yeah also you know i use my devices i feel like the premise of screen time
01:07:09 ◼ ► is basically you should meter how much you use a device because it's a kind of part it's a part of
01:07:14 ◼ ► your lifestyle that should be less optional and reduced and all those things is like oh this is my
01:07:20 ◼ ► job it's my job i i you know my using my ipad i use my ipad an awful lot some of that is for fun and
01:07:28 ◼ ► a lot of it is for work and the phone i use it a lot less than that but so for me screen time
01:07:38 ◼ ► and during the quarantine and laughed at how it's like oh you used it for last time and i think
01:07:43 ◼ ► really did i how is that possible and i don't it doesn't make any sense to me so i've given up
01:07:48 ◼ ► completely yeah i every now and then i'll pop in there and and take a look at it but like right now
01:07:55 ◼ ► the the the data isn't really useful to me because these are unexpected situations that i'm finding
01:08:04 ◼ ► myself in like i can't compare my device usage to two months ago because it is different and it's
01:08:10 ◼ ► different in different and weird ways so but i do find it funny to get that notification at the
01:08:15 ◼ ► moment to see these huge swings like i was flicking through the the weeks today and like i have 50
01:08:21 ◼ ► up on last week for and then the week before was 40 down on the week before that like it's just
01:08:27 ◼ ► these wild swings at the moment uh neva asks what clipboard managers do you guys use if you use one
01:08:44 ◼ ► so that i can very quickly just hit a keyboard shortcut and it actually launch bar appears with
01:08:49 ◼ ► a list of the last i don't know 10 15 clipboards and so that's how i i use it and it's great by
01:08:56 ◼ ► the way this i feel like we say this every so often it doesn't matter which one you use try
01:09:00 ◼ ► out a clipboard manager because first off if you've ever been somebody who copied something
01:09:04 ◼ ► to put it somewhere else and then something happened along the way and you copied something
01:09:08 ◼ ► else and then you're like oh i lost the thing i was copying clipboard manager it's got a history
01:09:13 ◼ ► that's how i use it and it's great i don't have like it's literally just a history list and that's
01:09:18 ◼ ► all i ever use it for and i can scroll through and find the thing it also is great when you're
01:09:22 ◼ ► in that moment where you've got to copy five different separate things from one place and
01:09:26 ◼ ► paste it somewhere else and you're usually going copy switch paste switch copy switch paste and now
01:09:33 ◼ ► you can just go copy copy copy copy switch paste paste paste paste because you've got all those
01:09:38 ◼ ► copies in your history so it's great the one i use is launch bar i use alfred launch bar and alfred
01:09:45 ◼ ► ostensibly the same thing they're very similar yeah yeah you know they are pretty much just
01:09:51 ◼ ► like they start as launcher applications like basically more powerful different spotlight
01:09:58 ◼ ► replacements um and they do different things and they have different uis and they have some parts
01:10:04 ◼ ► that are different i use alfred and i believe that clipboard management is a part of their power pack
01:10:08 ◼ ► which is like an upgrade that you can use um and i use my uh i use my clipboard manager a lot on my
01:10:15 ◼ ► mac like especially for the stuff that i'm doing when i'm posting shows because like for example
01:10:19 ◼ ► jason writes a title and a description and a short description that we tweet and he sends them to me
01:10:25 ◼ ► in slack before i publish so i just go to slack i copy all three things and then i have them in my
01:10:30 ◼ ► clipboard manager to paste them into all of the different fields that i need to paste them in when
01:10:33 ◼ ► i'm publishing the shows right because i'll put like i'll put it in forecast which is uh marco
01:10:38 ◼ ► armand's tool that we use to uh put our chapters in and stuff while i also put the title and
01:10:43 ◼ ► description in there then i'll put the title description into the cms and then i'll put the the
01:10:47 ◼ ► the short description into the tweet like they go all over the place so i love having that access
01:10:52 ◼ ► like this is one of those things where for a lot of people if they added this to ipad os they
01:10:57 ◼ ► wouldn't care but i would love it oh my god i love a clipboard manager built into ipad os
01:11:02 ◼ ► it's definitely on my wish list for whatever the next like it will always be on my wish list for
01:11:07 ◼ ► ipad until they give it to us i imagine the way it will be implemented is there will be an api to
01:11:13 ◼ ► give apps access to the clipboard um in the background or something and they'll basically
01:11:18 ◼ ► have to ask and they'll be like this app wants to see everything that's on your clipboard or whatever
01:11:22 ◼ ► and you know danger watch out scary but it's like yes please yes please i would like this app to
01:11:27 ◼ ► know everything that's on my clipboard because i want to be able to wind it back it would be even
01:11:32 ◼ ► better if apple just implemented this itself right it could do it more securely that way
01:11:43 ◼ ► absolutely happens on my ipad all the time where i copy something and it's like the old days i copy
01:11:47 ◼ ► something and then i copy something else and i move and i go oh i lost my clipboard didn't i
01:11:52 ◼ ► i don't like it i know there are apps that you can use to put parts of your clipboard like you
01:11:58 ◼ ► switch to that app and drop it it's like a shelf for clipboard stuff but that's not what i'm talking
01:12:03 ◼ ► about like i that that's a fun hack but i'm not really interested in constantly switching to my
01:12:10 ◼ ► clipboard helper app in order to have this happen i just want to have it happen like it doesn't
01:12:15 ◼ ► yeah yeah i just want it there and like and if it is a case of like i'm not going to be able to bring
01:12:20 ◼ ► up a ui and paste it in it doesn't matter if i can just have it as an app it's just collecting it and
01:12:26 ◼ ► just slide over that app and just like copy copy copy paste paste paste like would be amazing right
01:12:30 ◼ ► like i would love that um that just seems like one of those things where depending on where apple
01:12:36 ◼ ► wants to go with ipad os and i think i think that they are pushing ipad os into these power user
01:12:42 ◼ ► things i believe that's where they're going with it like the hardware is suggesting that because
01:12:46 ◼ ► the hardware is getting more specific right like here is another keyboard it's 300 and it has a
01:12:53 ◼ ► trackpad and a cantilevered hinge right like do you need this most people know but professionals
01:12:59 ◼ ► you want it right like you know there's like things like that that they're doing which makes me
01:13:09 ◼ ► all the work that they did makes me hopeful for these weird things and interesting things
01:13:13 ◼ ► um but so i hope that this is the kind of stuff that would get added uh kate in the discord
01:13:20 ◼ ► this is interesting i'm genuinely intrigued that both of you both me and jason said copy three
01:13:25 ◼ ► times and paste four times i don't know why i did it i probably internalized what you said and then
01:13:30 ◼ ► just said the same thing well also sometimes you know you you're always pasting more than
01:13:35 ◼ ► you're copying otherwise why did you cop why would you ever copy yeah three things and paste two
01:13:40 ◼ ► things right like why did you copy that third thing what's going to happen to the third thing
01:13:43 ◼ ► so you always have to have it more so you have to and then you paste more than you copy that's just
01:13:52 ◼ ► rarely i used to much more before airpods pro because i used to use my ipad when around the
01:14:06 ◼ ► house because i would typically have my ipad with me more than my iphone like if i'm doing things or
01:14:11 ◼ ► whatever my iphone tends to stay i like leave it around right but now the airpods i enjoy using
01:14:18 ◼ ► them so much that if i'm listening to anything around the house like even if no one's in i will
01:14:24 ◼ ► use the airpods because they give me additional benefits of like transparency and noise canceling
01:14:28 ◼ ► depending on the thing that i'm doing that it's much nicer than listening on a speaker like i
01:14:37 ◼ ► would some i sometimes use my iphone speaker but it's only when i cannot use my airpods
01:14:41 ◼ ► for some reason right like i like maybe in the shower i was i'm a podcast shower person and i
01:14:47 ◼ ► we can't use airpods there uh no uh and so yeah how would you clean your ears if you imagine
01:14:56 ◼ ► i don't think airpods are that are rated for that right no they're not it's just anybody who's put
01:15:02 ◼ ► them through the washing machine yeah but um i i actually have a um a bluetooth speaker that i use
01:15:08 ◼ ► in the shower um i have airpods that i do a lot um i will sometimes just listen on the iphone speaker
01:15:15 ◼ ► if i'm making a sandwich or something i don't need to pop my headphones in for that my ipad though
01:15:21 ◼ ► it's very rare i have overcast on it and i have it set to stream only and it's usually that i want to
01:15:26 ◼ ► listen to a particular thing or somebody sends me a link it's it's very rare and if i didn't have it
01:15:31 ◼ ► on there i wouldn't miss it are you a podcast download person oh yes yes i don't i download
01:15:38 ◼ ► i download everything i don't stream i don't stream i download i stream i stream just because
01:15:49 ◼ ► like because i i subscribe to way more shows than i listen to and leave like huge back catalogs for
01:15:58 ◼ ► me to go and and listen to if i want to but i don't download them interesting interesting yeah
01:16:03 ◼ ► fascinating cory asks i know jason talked about this in the past but do you still read comics on
01:16:08 ◼ ► the 12.9 inch ipad pro i'm in the market for a new ipad i'm wondering if the bigger tablet
01:16:16 ◼ ► cory i do still read comics on the 12.9 i still use the 12.9 you know an 11 inch ipad the comics
01:16:25 ◼ ► are all going to be a little smaller and if you have good eyesight it won't matter but it's all
01:16:30 ◼ ► the words are going to be smaller all the pictures are going to be smaller it's just not quite full
01:16:35 ◼ ► the full size effect that i feel like the 12.9 gives me um ultimately though it really depends
01:16:43 ◼ ► on how worried you are about the unwieldiness of it i don't mind having a big 12.9 inch ipad for
01:16:50 ◼ ► reading and working and everything else and holding it's fine i'm used to it but it's not
01:16:57 ◼ ► for everybody and i would say whether the comics look good on the screen is gonna you need to weigh
01:17:04 ◼ ► that based on how much comic reading you do because it will be better on the 12.9 but if you
01:17:11 ◼ ► don't do a lot of it and you do lots of other things in your ipad and you're really worried
01:17:14 ◼ ► about the weight then it's probably not reason enough to get the 12.9 but i love the 12.9
01:17:20 ◼ ► and roan asks do you think apple would rather keep a this is a hypothetical and i just thought
01:17:27 ◼ ► this is an interesting question do you think apple would rather keep a product secret or ship it on
01:17:32 ◼ ► time they had to just if people at apple if apple was the the company right just imagine it as one
01:17:39 ◼ ► thing and their way that they work do you think that they would rather keep a product secret or
01:17:44 ◼ ► ship it on time i think secret personally what do you think i don't understand what this means
01:17:52 ◼ ► just in general right like if apple had the choice company apple people apple had so they're either
01:17:57 ◼ ► going to ship it late but it's a perfect secret or they or people know about it but it gets in
01:18:06 ◼ ► advance and it ships on time um i i think ship it on what i think keep it secret keep it secret is
01:18:18 ◼ ► the answer here this is this is like one of those things where it's like i i go to the town and
01:18:21 ◼ ► and there's somebody who only tells a lie and there's somebody who only tells the truth and
01:18:24 ◼ ► what question do you ask them i think there's a trick question that roan's you know because
01:18:29 ◼ ► here's the thing so can you have a trick it is this is it they he's tricked us but i've outwitted
01:18:34 ◼ ► him oh okay the first thing is never get involved in a land war in asia but the second answer
01:18:46 ◼ ► if you keep it secret and then you ship it nobody knows it wasn't on time right but there are
01:19:04 ◼ ► right i i think i think apple would always i think apple always wants it to be a secret
01:19:11 ◼ ► always always always and i do think and i know sometimes you're like well what if it leaks out
01:19:16 ◼ ► it's like well then it's not a secret right but if it's a secret and then it just ships you don't
01:19:21 ◼ ► even like the iphone was the iphone late when the original iphone shipped they probably wanted to
01:19:24 ◼ ► ship that sooner but they shipped it when they were ready and it was a secret before that it's
01:19:30 ◼ ► like well then it's on time it can't be late if nobody knows it exists until it ships right it
01:19:34 ◼ ► can be i hate that i hate that so much it can't be it can't be late it can because they have a
01:19:40 ◼ ► timeline right internally but the world doesn't know that as far as the world's concerned oh my
01:19:45 ◼ ► god a new apple product just emerged from cupertino and we never heard of it before my mind is blown
01:19:51 ◼ ► and somebody working in the back office is like oh boy we thought we were going to ship this two
01:19:54 ◼ ► years ago but here it is and i i get that internally that that causes trouble the truth is we live in
01:20:01 ◼ ► the other world right where apple generally is really really good at shipping things on their
01:20:04 ◼ ► schedule and everybody knows about it in advance i think apple would probably prefer it the other way
01:20:09 ◼ ► but um you know it's this is a funny mental exercise i also don't think the two are related
01:20:15 ◼ ► at all right like apple's ability to ship things on a schedule is not really related to apple's
01:20:19 ◼ ► ability to keep them a secret but i think deep in apple's bones they want to keep everything
01:20:24 ◼ ► a secret i think so too i think the secrecy part is so important to them for so many reasons
01:20:31 ◼ ► that would always be the preferred thing right like and you know i wonder if if the the shipping
01:20:38 ◼ ► on time thing like thinking about stuff like air power and how that may have changed things
01:20:44 ◼ ► right like that was such a strange little thing that happens true it's true well that's the that's
01:20:50 ◼ ► the other part of it right is they announced air power and couldn't ship it like i think apple has
01:20:54 ◼ ► really learned its lesson there in terms of the air tags are the example right that i think is
01:21:00 ◼ ► the counter which is um that's a product that we've been hearing that they've been ready to
01:21:05 ◼ ► ship for a long time and it's never been announced and that's the exact opposite of what happened with
01:21:14 ◼ ► air power so that you know is air tags late it's not a secret but it's also never been never been
01:21:21 ◼ ► announced and therefore when it ships is it gonna are we gonna say that it's shipped late i don't
01:21:27 ◼ ► know i feel like i feel like it's late we're fast approaching like the time where there's gonna be
01:21:34 ◼ ► a new phone right like that's coming up and like the u1 chip has never been used on the phone
01:21:44 ◼ ► oh did you see me roll my eyes there across the podcast yeah okay everyone's favorite feature that
01:21:50 ◼ ► works as intended do you ever does that ever i've never worked out what it's supposed to do
01:21:56 ◼ ► that well it's supposed to like point at the person you're like when you're pointing your
01:22:00 ◼ ► phone at the person who you're air dropping it pops that person up and says like yeah that that
01:22:05 ◼ ► one that one is where you no it's it's pointless it's silly if you would like to submit a question
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