00:00:18 ◼ ► Mmhmm. I mean, we've been stuck inside for a while. It's nice to spend some time together.
00:00:22 ◼ ► I figure, you know, while we're actually just here together anyway, I guess we could basically
00:00:48 ◼ ► Sure. I hope there aren't any breaking, you know, news items over the weekend while we're
00:01:42 ◼ ► Every conversation that we have seems to start with a Snell Talk question now anyway. So
00:01:46 ◼ ► I guess I'll just ask you one. I saw a question from Peter who wanted to know what your favorite
00:02:11 ◼ ► game. This is a hard question. I really like Carcassonne, which isn't quite a board game
00:02:22 ◼ ► A tabletop game. That's the better phrase now, isn't it? Rather than board game, tabletop
00:02:38 ◼ ► that one where you've got to make like trains, chains of like railroad routes across the
00:02:52 ◼ ► play with me. And that, it probably suggests that it's my favorite. So I'm going to say
00:03:03 ◼ ► bit, which is a really, really fun game that's kind of like Mastermind, except way more complicated.
00:03:10 ◼ ► It's a deduction game where basically there's a map and everybody's been given information
00:03:22 ◼ ► out where the Cryptid is on the map. There's a hidden monster or animal or something that
00:03:28 ◼ ► can only be in one space on the map. And there are different solutions every time. They give
00:03:33 ◼ ► you a whole set of these solutions. And so what you have to do is by observing the answers
00:03:39 ◼ ► that all the other players give to your questions, you have to start to deduce what they know,
00:03:44 ◼ ► what the rule is that they know. And then if you put the rules together, you know where
00:03:54 ◼ ► it works, it works really well. Because you can figure it out. And it's one of those games
00:03:59 ◼ ► that as you start playing it, you're like, "I don't even know what I'm doing here." And
00:04:07 ◼ ► And then somebody figures it out and they win. So Cryptid is a good one that's in rotation
00:04:12 ◼ ► I always feel like I would enjoy more board games but never play board games or tabletop
00:04:30 ◼ ► part of it, it's nice to do it, but also everybody's just kind of stressed out and sad and it doesn't
00:04:38 ◼ ► always. We get together for dinner and then usually the only other family activity that
00:04:43 ◼ ► we engage in is watching episodes of Taskmaster, which is good, or an occasional movie. But
00:05:08 ◼ ► Yeah. Yeah. They've got stuff to do. My daughter is a college... I mean, it's summer, she would
00:05:17 ◼ ► be home, but she's a college student and she's had this six-month period where she can't
00:05:22 ◼ ► be a college student essentially and is living in a house with her parents, which is the
00:05:37 ◼ ► worth talking about on the trek. We'll have time to talk. Just going to be two guys walking
00:06:15 ◼ ► what else would we be talking about, right? Of course, this is what we're talking about.
00:06:19 ◼ ► Well, so what's funny is that on the last episode, you started editing the show. I went
00:06:34 ◼ ► Breaking news that Apple has threatened Epic with kicking them off of the platform entirely
00:06:44 ◼ ► and invalidating their developer accounts and stuff like that. And I think that's where
00:07:36 ◼ ► I know that... For me, I look at that and I think there is a fairly straightforward way
00:07:43 ◼ ► for this to move forward, which is for Epic, now that it's sort of made its point to revert
00:07:55 ◼ ► it. They told us that they were going to invalidate all of our stuff. So we took it off. The lawsuit
00:08:00 ◼ ► proceeds and they get to have their day in court and they get to have this conversation
00:08:04 ◼ ► and it continues on." We'll see if Epic does that, right? I don't know. They are... They're
00:08:12 ◼ ► certainly going to make hay while they can, right? Because they've got this whole... They're
00:08:17 ◼ ► going to do this whole free Fortnite thing, which is like... I've been saying up to now
00:08:22 ◼ ► that this has all been publicity. Now it's becoming marketing. Yeah. They've got a whole
00:08:35 ◼ ► got... It's called the Free Fortnite Cup because it's basically... I think it's next week sometime.
00:08:39 ◼ ► They're going to have the new season of Fortnite, which won't come to iOS because they won't
00:08:52 ◼ ► for iOS players is the way that they're kind of treating it. Because it's like, "Well, because
00:08:57 ◼ ► of Apple, you're not going to get the next season. So we're going to do this big competition."
00:09:02 ◼ ► And they're doing #FreeFortnite merch. And they have the Tim Cook Apple head guy, right?
00:09:12 ◼ ► Tart Tycoon, which is a fantastic name, by the way. I think that's very funny. So that's
00:09:36 ◼ ► 11th hour before they make the update because they are using this still as a tactic in trying
00:09:48 ◼ ► to turn public opinion. I mean, we spoke about it last time, and the thing that is irresponsible
00:09:54 ◼ ► on Epic's part is the ramifications or the nervousness that could be felt by their development
00:10:01 ◼ ► community for the Unreal Engine. And so you've got to assume, because you're right in what
00:10:12 ◼ ► has guessed that this would happen, right? We have to make that assumption because otherwise
00:10:22 ◼ ► ahead for themselves. They should have planned the whole thing out. So my hope would be that
00:10:27 ◼ ► they have an update, that they are ready to submit, but they're going to wait until the
00:10:32 ◼ ► final moment so they keep everything in the store. And then you're right, at that point,
00:10:36 ◼ ► they have another thing where they can go, "Oh, look, and they forced us to do this because
00:10:49 ◼ ► right? So you want to have that play out because if you don't have to do it, if the court forces
00:10:58 ◼ ► And that's like wins all around for Epic because they keep making more money, which they are.
00:11:02 ◼ ► I think they said like half of their transactions over the last little while have gone through
00:11:19 ◼ ► And if the court doesn't step in, then the question is, what will they do? Because they've
00:11:31 ◼ ► may be completely disingenuous. I don't believe anything Epic says, right? Because they are
00:11:36 ◼ ► playing a game here. And their marketing is part of the game. So I don't actually believe
00:11:40 ◼ ► when they say, "Oh, this is the end." I don't believe them. It may be, and that may be their
00:11:56 ◼ ► don't know. The risk to them is pretty great. And I don't believe them relenting changes
00:12:03 ◼ ► their argument at all in terms of their court case, which is, "We tried to do this. They
00:12:24 ◼ ► of these other things if we went through to it. But I also think it's the only card Apple
00:12:29 ◼ ► has to play is what they did. And this is a bad analogy, but if I own a chain of grocery
00:12:45 ◼ ► store, right? I ban you from all my stores. If I have jewelry stores and you rob one of
00:12:51 ◼ ► my stores, you don't get to come back in the other stores. And I know this is an imperfect
00:12:56 ◼ ► analogy, but what is Apple supposed to do? One of their developers specifically, antagonistically,
00:13:13 ◼ ► lot, and I think it's often very disingenuous because it says, "Well, we're just enforcing
00:13:17 ◼ ► the rules," but they make the rules. They're responsible for the rules. But to have somebody
00:13:20 ◼ ► roll in and say, "We're just going to ignore your rules. Try to stop us," I think you have
00:13:25 ◼ ► to respond. I think you have to say, "No," because it's not just even epic. It's literally
00:13:31 ◼ ► everybody else if they don't do it. And so this is the only move Apple can make is say,
00:13:38 ◼ ► "Look, if you are going to ignore our rules, we're going to lower the boom," but I think
00:13:43 ◼ ► it's really important that Apple said, "All you have to do to solve this is turn, is revert.
00:13:49 ◼ ► You don't have to drop your lawsuit. You don't have to do any of these other things. You
00:13:51 ◼ ► need to revert to the version that doesn't break the rules." That's it. That's all. And
00:13:58 ◼ ► I think that's Apple's essentially last move, and then it's either up to the courts or Epic
00:14:05 ◼ ► Well, actually, I think it's not great, right? Because, you know, we spoke about this. My
00:14:10 ◼ ► point still stands. I think Apple should make changes, and it should look like it's coming
00:14:18 ◼ ► from them rather than them being forced one way or another. But I actually, I agree. Like,
00:14:28 ◼ ► if you break the rules, you can get what you want. That's not how rules work. You can't
00:14:36 ◼ ► do that. And again, I fundamentally disagree with the rules. Like, the rules need to change
00:14:49 ◼ ► point of anybody that willingly, openly, and fragrantly—is it "fragrantly" or "fragrantly"?
00:15:38 ◼ ► good, but if you're the rulemaker and you've got all these people and somebody breaks your
00:15:48 ◼ ► either you're selectively enforcing the rules, which is really bad, or there are no rules,
00:15:57 ◼ ► worded the way it is, which is just revert your app to before you had the in-app purchase
00:16:13 ◼ ► have said, "Drop all lawsuits and we'll..." But, you know, they didn't. So is it a threat?
00:16:21 ◼ ► Yes, it is. Is it... You know, they were saying that this is retaliation. And I don't think
00:16:30 ◼ ► it is. I don't think it's retaliation. I think it's cause and effect. And that's the difference.
00:16:51 ◼ ► I think the problem is, I can't remember any "case law" of this. Because developers have
00:17:29 ◼ ► Because this is all happening publicly. But I think the hammer is back there, and I would
00:17:33 ◼ ► be unsurprised if it has not been wielded at times in those phone calls, those unpleasant
00:17:44 ◼ ► this out." Because Apple does hold the hammer. It's not like Uber won't work on the iPhone
00:17:58 ◼ ► comes to that. But you gotta have rules, right? You gotta put your foot down if you're Apple
00:18:09 ◼ ► said, "I don't like the rules. I think Apple's rules are too restrictive." And I think that
00:18:15 ◼ ► Apple's visibility here and their PR visibility is really bad. At the same time, the system
00:18:24 ◼ ► is what it is right now, and I think Apple has to say, "Look, you're violating the rules."
00:18:32 ◼ ► And that's not an unreasonable thing for them to do, to say, "You're violating the rules."
00:18:47 ◼ ► Epic has been prevented from doing the thing they wanted to do by Apple. And, potentially,
00:18:52 ◼ ► Apple's response with bringing the hammer has given them more fodder for their lawsuit.
00:18:58 ◼ ► And I think that's fine. But at the same time, Epic is putting... I don't really care if
00:19:02 ◼ ► Fortnite comes back in the store or not. That's up to Epic. But it is putting its development
00:19:06 ◼ ► partners at risk. And as several people have pointed out in the last week, the possibility
00:19:13 ◼ ► that Unreal Engine is compromised in terms of Apple's platforms is going to cause a chilling
00:19:23 ◼ ► effect among some developers. So the longer this goes on, the more harm is done to part
00:19:31 ◼ ► of Epic's business. I do wonder, since Epic seems to be very sneaky and has lots of different
00:19:35 ◼ ► plans and ploys, I do wonder if they have a plan to spin off Unreal Engine in a separate
00:19:49 ◼ ► I'm surprised they... Right? And just say, "No, no, they're separate. They're not related
00:19:52 ◼ ► to this." Because, again, if I was a client of theirs and relied on them for my business
00:20:13 ◼ ► only way you're going to get Apple to change anything, is either force them through laws
00:20:17 ◼ ► or regulations or make it so bad that they have to change to save face. And so that part
00:20:23 ◼ ► of it, I'm actually kind of great about, because this is the only way it's ever going to happen,
00:20:29 ◼ ► There's many reports of companies getting disgruntled, but one of the ones that at least
00:20:42 ◼ ► the cut to be 15%, like they want the Amazon deal. And it's funny because the Wall Street
00:20:49 ◼ ► Journal is in there, which is just a funny parallel from, I think we were talking a week
00:20:54 ◼ ► or so ago, about them being apparently really super happy with Apple News+, even though
00:20:59 ◼ ► the Apple News+ cut is like 50%. But this is about these newspaper developers not wanting
00:21:07 ◼ ► to pay 30% on their subscriptions that they get with their users in their own apps, right?
00:21:26 ◼ ► Well, I mean, if you've got a payment dispute with Apple, now is the time to get it out there.
00:21:30 ◼ ► Yeah, now's the time. Because it maybe is the only time in recent memory where the average
00:21:40 ◼ ► person would even be aware of the fact that Apple takes a cut from developers, you know?
00:21:53 ◼ ► So, every great walk, in my opinion, deserves breaks. You know, like I like to take a break
00:22:02 ◼ ► Yeah, I think we're getting up to the creek here, which is where I wanted to stop instead
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00:24:34 ◼ ► There's a couple of Apple TV+ things. They've picked up a movie from Idris Elba. It's a
00:24:39 ◼ ► spy movie. This is a, even though this is kind of, this is kind of a strange one because
00:24:45 ◼ ► Apple have a first look deal with Idris Elba, but this wasn't that. They won this movie
00:24:51 ◼ ► in a bidding war. It's being produced by Elba and Simon Kinberg and Audrey Chun. It's not
00:24:59 ◼ ► really anything known about this movie right now, except that Idris Elba's in it and it's
00:25:18 ◼ ► This is what we can count on with Apple, some real innovation. I haven't watched it yet,
00:25:28 ◼ ► I've watched the first three episodes. And if we weren't out here, I'd be watching episode
00:25:57 ◼ ► things between the American and all the English people. And then it's also like American
00:26:02 ◼ ► sports versus English sports culture clash. It's funny. It's sweet. It's yeah, it's really
00:26:09 ◼ ► good. If you haven't tried it because you thought, why would I ever watch a show that's
00:26:13 ◼ ► based on a commercial? Although to be fair, those commercials were based on a character
00:26:18 ◼ ► that they had come up with beforehand, just as a comedy kind of character. And then NBC
00:26:25 ◼ ► was like, we have this idea for these promo bits. And they said, well, we could use this
00:26:33 ◼ ► the end, it's a bunch of very talented comedy producers and writers. And they made this
00:26:39 ◼ ► 10 episode Apple TV, which has now been picked up for a second season. Yeah. Yeah. Apple
00:26:50 ◼ ► shows are going to get a second season. But they did after like a week of "Tetlasso" being
00:26:56 ◼ ► out there. And the reviews have all been really good, including from some sports related places
00:27:02 ◼ ► that would generally, you know, probably frown on fictional sports shows that are silly.
00:27:12 ◼ ► I have a conspiracy theory for you. Oh, OK. So an Upgrading tweeted it was both and said
00:27:20 ◼ ► they liked it. And Jason Stedek has faved the tweet, like the tweet. Oh. But this isn't
00:27:26 ◼ ► the first time that I've seen this. So I believe it was Karen Pittman who played Mia Jordan
00:27:34 ◼ ► on "The Morning Show." I think it was I think it was a similar thing happened. Somebody
00:27:39 ◼ ► tweeted or I tweeted about it and she faved it. I wonder if Apple has some kind of like
00:27:52 ◼ ► this or they get people to do it because I then went to Jason Stedek's Twitter account.
00:28:00 ◼ ► Jason Stedek's doesn't tweet at all. There's no tweets on Jason Stedek's Twitter account.
00:28:07 ◼ ► But there are lots of likes that don't mention Jason Stedek because they just mentioned Ted
00:28:25 ◼ ► show. But it's it's a funny thing to me because I've noticed it happen multiple times now
00:28:30 ◼ ► where because it is a similar thing for me the last time, which is I didn't mention anybody
00:28:36 ◼ ► in the tweet. I think I just tweeted about how good "The Morning Show" was and saw people
00:28:41 ◼ ► that were on the show saving the tweet. So I don't know. But I think it's a funny little
00:28:56 ◼ ► and they're finishing them off now. I think it started last week or something. And this
00:28:59 ◼ ► is shot in the U.S. It's shot in Culver City on the Sony lot. So they are apparently again
00:29:13 ◼ ► about TV and movies, my feeling on it is just like it is a close our eyes, cross our fingers.
00:29:21 ◼ ► Yeah, I think there's some truth to that. Although I read an article about it that said
00:29:25 ◼ ► that this is a lot of it's what you used to think of as a closed set, which is like for
00:29:36 ◼ ► yeah, just like with with sports, actually, they've kind of grouped everybody together.
00:29:40 ◼ ► I get the impression that in Hollywood everybody wants to be on the set. And like if you can
00:29:51 ◼ ► we know we have a culture of allowing people to go various places, but now that's going
00:30:05 ◼ ► the makeup this way and the wardrobe this way, like in order to make it safer. So whether
00:30:11 ◼ ► it's safe or not is anybody's guess. But I think it's interesting that by all accounts,
00:30:20 ◼ ► number of people who are in any particular environment. Presumably everybody who is not
00:30:24 ◼ ► on camera is masked as well and that there's way fewer people than there used to be around
00:30:29 ◼ ► the sets. And I've seen some actors say it's actually a little bit eerie that there are
00:30:46 ◼ ► the best. But that's true. I mean, true of everything. That's true of sports too, right?
00:30:50 ◼ ► Where it's like, well, let's see. Let's see how this works. And nobody really knows the
00:30:54 ◼ ► answer. But I suppose somebody has to go first and somebody has to give it a try. And this
00:30:58 ◼ ► is an interesting one because it's not even a long shoot. They like literally they have
00:31:02 ◼ ► two episodes left and then they can wrap the season. So I can see that especially as wanting
00:31:13 ◼ ► the timeframe we would have expected. I think so if they can cap off because presumably
00:31:18 ◼ ► they have edited and probably edited and done the effects for the rest of the eight, right?
00:31:25 ◼ ► Or at least are on schedule to do that because that was all before it shut down in March.
00:31:29 ◼ ► They've had since March to continue post-production on that stuff. And some of the post-production
00:31:42 ◼ ► orchestras where everybody's recording their parts separately and then they have to edit
00:31:45 ◼ ► it all together, which is really hard. But still they've got time to produce it. So now
00:32:45 ◼ ► I think that's the question is will they drop one episode if I were them I would because
00:33:03 ◼ ► I was queuing up episode 4 and oh, it's not there yet because it drops on Friday and this
00:33:09 ◼ ► was like we watched by Monday Tuesday Wednesday and then Thursday comes around and like that
00:33:16 ◼ ► episode isn't there like oh, right. This is a weekly show. So they trained me into watching
00:33:20 ◼ ► it on demand whenever I wanted and then they had to retrain me into watching it weekly.
00:33:24 ◼ ► So I will say I really actually ended up enjoying a lot the waiting for all mankind and from
00:33:30 ◼ ► the morning show. I love it. I think I think I know that some people like to watch in a
00:33:35 ◼ ► binge, but the beauty is if you wait you can watch it in a binge, but I love the idea of
00:33:39 ◼ ► rolling something out initially with that week between episodes because you get to build
00:33:45 ◼ ► suspense and talk about it. I couldn't have watched and you can space it. The last half
00:33:50 ◼ ► of that season in a binge. It would have been too much. I liked having the room to breathe.
00:33:55 ◼ ► So that was good. Reese Witherspoon's next project for Apple TV+ is a music competition
00:34:04 ◼ ► show called My Kind of Country. Wow, reality TV, huh? That sentence is like was a surprise
00:34:18 ◼ ► she's a big fan of country music would be my assumption here. And again, if you're confused
00:34:23 ◼ ► about why Reese Witherspoon is attached to this, this is all through her production company
00:34:40 ◼ ► sense. But yeah, so I mean, Witherspoon has been doing just great work here, right? But
00:35:04 ◼ ► of reality show is something that people love, right? Like music reality shows. I don't
00:35:11 ◼ ► know of there being a popular country music focused reality show. So maybe this is a niche
00:35:17 ◼ ► to get into. And I guess it makes sense in a way for Apple to want to have content like
00:35:25 ◼ ► this. But I guess it would just be remained to be seen if it will work out for them. This
00:35:52 ◼ ► some stories that were like, why doesn't, why doesn't the timely talk show work on Netflix?
00:36:05 ◼ ► is that it doesn't fit with Netflix's algorithm or with its audience, or it's not what people
00:36:11 ◼ ► want from Netflix. And I think that there's some truth in that. Like, just because there's
00:36:18 ◼ ► a kind of TV show that is successful doesn't mean it'll be successful everywhere. Like,
00:36:25 ◼ ► you know, John Oliver's show is very successful on HBO as far as I can tell. And people talk
00:36:30 ◼ ► about it and like it and I like it a lot. If that was a Netflix show, I think they would
00:36:37 ◼ ► have cancelled it after two years or a year and a half. And I don't think, I think it's
00:36:42 ◼ ► that simple. It's like Netflix is programming to maximize Netflix's subscriptions and Netflix's
00:36:49 ◼ ► audience. And what Netflix looks for is not necessarily what other places look for. Netflix
00:37:05 ◼ ► this week's episode of a news comedy show. I just, I don't think they do. I don't think
00:37:11 ◼ ► people think of next week's anything on Netflix. And that has to do with Netflix and who, what
00:37:25 ◼ ► a kind with my kind of country, it's going to be interesting to see, is that what Apple
00:38:00 ◼ ► put on HBO, put on Peacock, put on Apple TV Plus, put on CBS All Access, like we'll have
00:38:13 ◼ ► It's dependent on the content that you have that surrounds those shows, right? So I never
00:39:32 ◼ ► timely. That was his revival of the soup that he used to do, which is basically picking
00:39:37 ◼ ► up like reality TV shows of the week and making fun of them. And I love that show. I thought
00:39:55 ◼ ► I think as an experiment of like, what if we did it and it wasn't timely and we dropped
00:40:01 ◼ ► they walked away. So I think Netflix would love for something like this to work. I think
00:40:05 ◼ ► they would love to have something like a John Oliver or a or a daily show where people came
00:40:17 ◼ ► this is a case of Netflix maybe of being a victim of its own success, where it's so good
00:40:21 ◼ ► at binge watching TV seasons that that's what people come to Netflix for now. And there
00:40:28 ◼ ► are turns out there are limits to that and that there's some things that you don't people
00:40:31 ◼ ► don't want to get from Netflix. So it's kind of funny because Netflix is the is the death
00:40:36 ◼ ► star of TV right now. But this is an interesting example where maybe they just, you know, they
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00:42:58 ◼ ► VPN. Right. I'd prefer fishing Netflix. Okay, fine. That was funny. Not that tree pn wasn't
00:43:06 ◼ ► funny to of course, Jason. Sorry. Sorry. No, three pn was great. It was the best. I don't
00:43:12 ◼ ► need your pity. I have one other thing, Jason. I'm really excited about right now. You may
00:43:17 ◼ ► remember we raised a ton of money last year for St. Jude Children's Cancer Research Hospital.
00:43:22 ◼ ► Mm hmm. I do. We're doing it again. Doing it again. We're partnering with St. Jude once
00:43:31 ◼ ► September, you can expect to hear much more about that and like about St. Jude's mission
00:43:35 ◼ ► and the cause because that's something that's near and dear to all of us. And September
00:43:54 ◼ ► out here along the bank. That's a good one. Creek. People can see it. So the next people
00:44:02 ◼ ► a stick is really you'd be efficient. St. Jude slash relay. And we're doing the podcast
00:44:08 ◼ ► on again on Friday, September 18th from 2 to 8 p.m. Eastern at twitch dot TV slash relay
00:44:19 ◼ ► only difference is me and Steven in the same place. Everybody else was virtual last time.
00:44:24 ◼ ► So it's actually allowing us to do some new and very fun things. We we had already been
00:44:30 ◼ ► working on the podcast on. I'm not even kidding. Like from before covered. Right. We started
00:44:36 ◼ ► working on it then. So it but we hadn't started too much. So we didn't have to like been a
00:44:42 ◼ ► bunch of plans. We were able to adapt a bunch of stuff and we're able to still do things
00:44:46 ◼ ► this year that we'd hoped to do last year but couldn't get together in time. We're doing
00:44:50 ◼ ► them this year, even though it's all virtual. So I think it's going to be really fun. And
00:44:54 ◼ ► what I also like about doing the podcast with on now is I think people will have more time
00:44:59 ◼ ► to spend with us to watch it. Right. It's true. So I made a little bit earlier in the day
00:45:05 ◼ ► because I'm going to be in London. I didn't want it to go into what would have been I think
00:45:10 ◼ ► 3 or 4 in the morning for me. So we're doing 2 to 8 p.m. Eastern time which ends at 1 in the
00:45:14 ◼ ► morning. Yeah. But one I can do three would have been that would have would have gone a
00:45:24 ◼ ► Me and Adina were talking today about what we were going to wear. Got to dress up. Got to
00:45:30 ◼ ► dress up. No it doesn't take that away. But anyway stju.org/relay. We're going to talk about
00:45:35 ◼ ► this a bunch. But please go there now. Donate what you can. We want to do it again. We want
00:45:40 ◼ ► to raise three hundred and fifteen thousand dollars which I know is a huge amount of money.
00:45:44 ◼ ► But we did it last year. So let's do it again. Just tap on the on the stick tap on the stick
00:45:49 ◼ ► on the bank of the creek and you'll go there. Do you see that over there. What looks like a little
00:45:56 ◼ ► cave or something. Oh yeah. Well we could we could check it out. Let's let's I mean it's a bit
00:46:02 ◼ ► of a hike. We're going to walk I think down there and then cross over the stream. But we could do
00:46:07 ◼ ► that. I think we should do that. All right. I mean it's it's not nightfall yet. You know we got
00:46:12 ◼ ► time before before we have to turn in. So sure. You know thinking about that like going into a
00:46:17 ◼ ► cave after having been inside my own little cave. Oh there's a new cave. It's a new cave. New
00:46:24 ◼ ► caves are exciting right. Outdoor cave. Yeah because I am in a new cave most of the week now
00:46:30 ◼ ► back like I say back. I mean and recording from mega studio like four days a week. I'm working
00:46:36 ◼ ► and recording from there now. The only day I don't record from mega studio is is or work from
00:46:42 ◼ ► mega studio is Mondays because I'm still working out how I'll do this show from there. Because
00:46:50 ◼ ► because we record. I mean I have a couple of shows that I record around the same time in the day
00:46:55 ◼ ► that I record upgrade which is like around five or six p.m. But I don't edit them. So like I'm
00:47:01 ◼ ► still trying to work out that process because like I'm usually done with upgrade around
00:47:09 ◼ ► sometime between nine and 10 p.m. which would then be difficult for coming home and having dinner.
00:47:16 ◼ ► It's a tad late. Yes. So I'm still working out. We've we've got some ideas like that could just
00:47:22 ◼ ► be a night of the week where we get takeout because we have great takeout options at the studio.
00:47:26 ◼ ► Would you do something like record upgrade and then just take the files home? I thought about
00:47:31 ◼ ► that but eventually at some point I don't want to have any gear at home for like properly
00:47:38 ◼ ► sitting down and recording. So I want to work out the process. Yeah I guess I'm just saying
00:47:43 ◼ ► if you could if you could just take the files home and edit at home after dinner instead. I don't
00:47:48 ◼ ► know. Yeah I mean that would work. I've already told you I'm not getting up any earlier though.
00:47:52 ◼ ► No this is it was never a thing to move it earlier. I would never have asked that wasn't the
00:47:57 ◼ ► thing. It was just about me working out my process because I know there's a way to do it. I just
00:48:02 ◼ ► sure I've got a couple of options and I just haven't yet worked out which one I want to take.
00:48:09 ◼ ► But there isn't like an immediate need because it's like my original plan for the studio
00:48:16 ◼ ► is that like we would have been by now all moved in. I would have no gear here except like
00:48:22 ◼ ► emergency travel gear. I'd have like a laptop a microphone an XLR cable and a zoom recorder
00:48:28 ◼ ► which is just what I would put in my bags whenever I would go away and would record from outside
00:48:41 ◼ ► I can look back on it. I think we'd had the studio lease for like three or four weeks and then
00:48:46 ◼ ► went into lockdown. So just you know we've only been I've been recording from there for a couple
00:48:52 ◼ ► of weeks now right like and going there like three or four days a week and I'm trying to stick
00:48:57 ◼ ► with at least four days a week now. So that's nice. So how's it going to get out and have
00:49:03 ◼ ► a place outside because this isn't just the lockdown. I mean before the lockdown before the
00:49:25 ◼ ► It's like mini office. So you know leaving the pandemic kind of aside for a minute believe it or not
00:49:32 ◼ ► and just looking at your work routine you're going for the first time in a long time you're
00:49:38 ◼ ► leaving your home for you know several hours several days a week to go somewhere else and
00:49:45 ◼ ► work. That's a big change. Because that was it was the thing right like my out of home studio
00:49:51 ◼ ► was not informed by lockdown. I made the decision way before then and it was because I wanted
00:50:07 ◼ ► was all awesome but I want a bit more structure again like I've done it for long enough now
00:50:13 ◼ ► where I wanted to change it up and it may be that like in another five years I want to work
00:50:19 ◼ ► from home again but will be in a different in a larger home maybe in a larger home right so it
00:50:24 ◼ ► will be easier like we only have three main rooms in this house we have like our living room
00:50:32 ◼ ► and kitchen which is one room then we have two bedrooms and one of the bedrooms is occupied
00:50:38 ◼ ► by the studio and so that means that like all I am in is one of those three rooms all the
00:50:46 ◼ ► time basically right and I felt like I needed more room to breathe plus Adina is working
00:51:10 ◼ ► becoming trickier and trickier for us to both be able to have enough space to work so we
00:51:16 ◼ ► had made the decision that we would get an out of home studio so we would have more space
00:51:34 ◼ ► 10 at night so I wanted it to be a space where we could be comfortable in for long periods
00:51:39 ◼ ► of time as well because I have like these weird holes in the middle of my day sometimes
00:51:44 ◼ ► right where like I've got all the stuff I need done for the morning but I'm not recording
00:51:49 ◼ ► anything for like another three hours so having somewhere comfortable to be during that waiting
00:52:41 ◼ ► barely even a cave this far out this is spectacular all right no you were saying sorry.
00:52:46 ◼ ► But yeah so it's been we're still kind of filling it out still working out what we need
00:53:03 ◼ ► helping with my energy right and it's forcing structure for me in a different way and I'm
00:53:35 ◼ ► This is one of the reasons believe it or not this is one of the reasons why I shut down
00:53:45 ◼ ► The door you know not the big rolling garage door but the door to the to the rest of the
00:53:49 ◼ ► house in the garage and on a weekend depending on what I'm doing like there are weekends
00:54:01 ◼ ► when I'm back at the computer and it's just it's not as as dramatic as having it be home
00:54:06 ◼ ► and office but putting any barrier between the one and the other can really pay off mentally
00:54:13 ◼ ► I think in in forcing you to section your time and and say that's that goes in the other
00:54:36 ◼ ► and it's all just kind of running together and it's it's you know kind of more efficient
00:55:02 ◼ ► in the garage and having this be my my place my domain I used the rest of the house more
00:55:35 ◼ ► Well I can't do that because there's people all the time there's always somebody around
00:55:46 ◼ ► So that that has been a challenge in the in the summer months when it's a nice day I can
00:55:51 ◼ ► go in the backyard and work and that is still you know that's still a great kind of like
00:56:15 ◼ ► going to Starbucks and writing my column which I did a lot just to get you gets me out of
00:56:38 ◼ ► there and then they closed it and I was very sad but I still went maybe every other week
00:56:55 ◼ ► It would be awfully stupid if I didn't do what I came here to do which is write my column
00:57:09 ◼ ► and I've also kind of like forced my own hand of saying you know you'll feel really stupid
00:57:15 ◼ ► if you leave here having spent an hour sitting here and done nothing and it totally works
00:57:25 ◼ ► So I would sit down like I'm not going to waste the time that I'm here because otherwise
00:57:28 ◼ ► why am I here and so I would sit down and I would write you know thousand words or whatever
00:57:52 ◼ ► So anyway that's one of the ways that it's affected me is I'm largely unaffected by this
00:57:56 ◼ ► because I work at home but that and I feel very lucky to have my setup here and be very
00:58:35 ◼ ► But you know that that sounds kind of terrible for him but better than being in school maybe.
00:58:44 ◼ ► I know this is a very different situation for lots of different people but I can imagine
00:58:50 ◼ ► that for many parents if they have the choice available to them that's the choice that they
00:58:58 ◼ ► Well I'm really glad that you're using your you're using your studio because I mean you
00:59:12 ◼ ► So it's got a lot less stress than if you were going into an office with lots of people
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01:03:18 ◼ ► I mean this is finished that that was that's just a rough cave but this is just a like a.
01:03:30 ◼ ► I mean I guess I'm going to go once does need storage rooms to let's just don't even say cave monsters.
01:04:18 ◼ ► All right let's say I mean I suppose it could be a permanent marker and they're not going to know we're here but yeah sure.
01:04:24 ◼ ► So I've got an x axis for you here which is power consumption and a y axis is just performance.
01:04:33 ◼ ► And so we have typical desktops we're going to put in a box here and typical notebooks we're going to put in a box here.
01:04:40 ◼ ► And basically the way that I outline this on the graph is saying that a typical desktop is going to consume more power and perform better right.
01:04:54 ◼ ► This is this is the way like this is the two computer classes they are displayed on a graph in this way.
01:05:04 ◼ ► But on that now I'm just going to take a big big pen and I'm just going to draw a big like hazy area up the top left.
01:05:27 ◼ ► They're trying to say that like I guess every Mac of Apple Silicon will perform well and not consume a lot of power.
01:05:56 ◼ ► I what I find fascinating is that Apple Apple seems to be suggesting that the max with Apple Silicon are going to be faster than existing notebooks but that some will also offer lower power consumption.
01:06:12 ◼ ► It's a it's a whole like there's a lot unsaid here and I'm sure it's based on reality but it's also like like you like rub that rub that little upper left thing to make it even more kind of hazy right.
01:06:28 ◼ ► But it's intriguing right because it's all positioned above notebooks in terms of performance and it's all positioned to the left of desktops in terms of power consumption.
01:06:39 ◼ ► So this is Apple not making any promises while also promising that they're going to have this whole line that's going to use less power than all their desktops and that is going to be more powerful than almost all their notebooks.
01:06:52 ◼ ► Yeah, like what they're basically trying to show with this is what our hopes and dreams are which is every chip is better than the one it replaces for what it's supposed to be.
01:07:29 ◼ ► It's like just the processors the A10 and the A11 and the A12 and the A13 right basically a straight line tracking up and to the right.
01:07:46 ◼ ► Yeah, so the A14 will be the next chip that we'd find in say the next iPhone the next iPad maybe.
01:07:51 ◼ ► Yeah, and maybe that chip is faster than we expect that it's gotten faster the pace of speed boosts have gotten faster maybe but let's just assume it's kind of on on pace.
01:08:04 ◼ ► Now I'm going to draw a little circle here under the A13 which is the processor that's in the iPhone 11.
01:08:38 ◼ ► So I can draw another little circle above it and it would probably be the top of the line iMac for this year.
01:08:53 ◼ ► So first off let's just call it what it is. The fastest iMac is basically as fast as the fastest iPhone.
01:09:05 ◼ ► So first thing I'm going to do is say if the A14 is in, you know, maybe the A14 is the basis of not only the iPhone 12 but the new iPads and whenever they come, a new iPad Pro.
01:09:28 ◼ ► But like is it is it unreasonable to think that there would be a Mac variant of this that would be faster because that presumably the Macs are going to have cooling in a way that an iPhone and iPad couldn't.
01:09:40 ◼ ► So potentially here in single core, you could have like I'm going to draw another big circle up here way above the A14 for the M14.
01:09:52 ◼ ► Like, okay, so already even if the even if the new Apple Silicon Macs only have an A14, which they won't.
01:10:09 ◼ ► But let's throw in let's throw in multiple cores because, you know, these these iOS processors that Apple's doing are multi core.
01:10:20 ◼ ► And probably one of the ways that Apple will make them more conducive to the Mac is at least at the high end is adding more cores to them.
01:10:34 ◼ ► And I can draw in like the Mac Pro is going to be way up here, like the macro 28 core Mac Pro is going to be the king of the hill.
01:10:46 ◼ ► You know, they're all faster than the A13 because they have more cores, more performance cores.
01:10:56 ◼ ► But I think if you if I draw a line through from like the iPad and iPad Pro with the number of cores in an A14X, let's say on an iPad Pro.
01:11:10 ◼ ► Yeah, because the current iPad Pros are running the A12Z, which is faster than the A13, though.
01:11:21 ◼ ► So we assume that I mean, if you follow those trend lines to an A13Z, if that ever is made, we don't know.
01:11:37 ◼ ► Right. And then you do if you take it to 14 and use that as the basis and add cores and call the A14X, it's going to be even faster.
01:11:44 ◼ ► And again, and here's here's the possibility is imagine now that Apple, what makes it a Mac processor instead of an iPad processor is that they add more cores.
01:11:56 ◼ ► Once you start adding more cores, it's very easy to kind of conservatively extrapolate that a Mac and 8 performance core Mac M14 processor is faster than all but the very fastest build to order Mac Pros and iMac Pros.
01:12:28 ◼ ► So so, you know, when you look at my imaginary charts and and Apple's imaginary charts, I think it's just we we everything we do about Apple Silicon is speculative.
01:12:41 ◼ ► But if you look at the trends of Apple's processor speed growth over time and then you consider that a Mac variant would probably have more cores.
01:12:50 ◼ ► It's really hard to imagine that the Apple Silicon Macs won't be way faster than Intel Max.
01:13:05 ◼ ► I mean, I'm doing on a whiteboard here, but it's essentially the back of a napkin kind of calculation.
01:13:08 ◼ ► But once I did this calculation, it became apparent to me that, like, we should expect spectacular performance from these systems.
01:13:20 ◼ ► I think especially the desktops, because, yes, the laptops will still, I reckon, and I'm sure you do, too, follow the high efficiency and the performance core model that we see in the mobile devices.
01:13:37 ◼ ► Right. Although if it's if they do, if one of the first Apple Silicon Macs is a MacBook Pro, that'll have a cooling system in it that I think I think you could put in an iMac and a MacBook Pro.
01:13:48 ◼ ► You could put in the same processor, which is which is one that's got more cores, maybe than is in the iPad Pro.
01:13:54 ◼ ► Whereas something like a MacBook or a MacBook Air might might have the iPad class processor in it.
01:13:59 ◼ ► I don't know. But yes, so you're definitely right there. We have scaled it because laptops, they can put fans in, they can put more performance cores in.
01:14:20 ◼ ► But like I think until I saw some of these trend lines that you've been putting on this board here for me to see, it didn't really it hadn't clicked for me about the fact that like, well, this is this is this kind of performance that they are getting are from chips that would not be taken and dropped into these new computers.
01:14:44 ◼ ► Because we're looking at different types of architectures, right? Like you are looking at fans, you are looking at permanent power.
01:14:51 ◼ ► I mean, and in the case of a laptop, a product that people used to plug in in so you can ramp up and ramp down if you need to.
01:15:00 ◼ ► You can end up with very different speeds like this. These charts, these trend lines can be blown out of the water.
01:15:08 ◼ ► And it's important to remember the developer transition kit that's out there that's that Mac Mini with Apple Silicon in it.
01:15:18 ◼ ► So let's just keep in mind that is essentially again, the X and the Z. The difference is one GPU core is turned on that wasn't before.
01:15:38 ◼ ► So the developer transition kit is not a great guide to what performance is going to be, other than to say that's what performance is in a computer that essentially we would think of as being almost two years old.
01:15:51 ◼ ► So I would imagine that Apple Silicon in Macs is going to be based on the A14 architecture and get all of the benefits of that.
01:16:08 ◼ ► Now, you know, Apple is going to balance it. You've got to balance battery life and power consumption, all that.
01:16:13 ◼ ► But because they've got their efficiency cores and because they've got their performance cores, and that's not something that Intel processors have, that leads to some really interesting potential for them to add a lot of power and use it when it's plugged in, you know, or has a fan going.
01:16:38 ◼ ► And that's, I don't know, I just I think when you extrapolate out what the growth of the speed of the processors on the iOS side has been and then imagine that it's going to be that and then probably a little bit more on the Mac side.
01:16:54 ◼ ► It gets really exciting, like, like almost every I would imagine that every Apple Silicon Mac will be faster by a lot than the model it replaces.
01:17:05 ◼ ► But I think it might also be safe to say all of them will be faster than all but a handful of existing Intel Macs.
01:17:14 ◼ ► And all at the highest end, right? I think they'll all be faster than everything but the iMac Pro and Mac Pro and maybe the highest end iMacs.
01:17:24 ◼ ► But as we know, like, but at some point they will have something to replace that as well.
01:17:30 ◼ ► Right. Well, and they say there's a two year transition. I think that's exactly it is that probably the idea of building, they put off the ability, the idea of building a multi multi multi multi core monster processor until later.
01:17:45 ◼ ► Right? Like, get the reasonable eight core, eight performance core processor out the door.
01:17:50 ◼ ► And then down the road, build your 18 core, whatever it is, monster that goes in the Mac Pro.
01:18:11 ◼ ► It could just be an animal or something. I mean, it's not like this is clearly a some sort of abandoned research station.
01:18:16 ◼ ► I mean, they're probably it's just an animal, right? Something that opened the door from the cave.
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01:21:14 ◼ ► People that have listened from episode one, would we consider them to give them the title of "Founding Upgradients"?
01:21:24 ◼ ► I like the idea of a distinction for people that have been here since the very beginning.
01:21:38 ◼ ► So on the TV Talk Machine, which we did for, Tim Goodman and I did for years, and he did for years before that,
01:21:51 ◼ ► And the reason we knew that they were OG listeners is because they had been on an early episode.
01:21:56 ◼ ► Like they had a letter read or something. And that helps if you can tie it back to that.
01:22:02 ◼ ► Like if you invented the word "upgradient," then you're definitely an original upgradian.
01:22:14 ◼ ► We founded, yeah, Upgrade, and then you were original upgradients, maybe? I don't know.
01:22:19 ◼ ► Yeah, if you can, if people can prove to us that they've been around since the beginning, or very close to the beginning,
01:22:28 ◼ ► All right, we're going to go to the next stairwell. There's a break. There's a pattern in the lasers. There's a break in it.
01:22:45 ◼ ► Ian says, "When reviewing videos and films, like media basically, for podcasts, do you do it in your office, or do you watch in your lounge?"
01:23:14 ◼ ► Mostly it is in the living room. Sometimes not. And sometimes I will force it on my family. Well, I rarely force the homework on my family. I sometimes force it on my wife.
01:23:27 ◼ ► But usually it's good stuff. The bad stuff I sort of have to watch by myself. And that was an advantage when there was nobody in the house speaking of,
01:23:36 ◼ ► where I would just come out at lunchtime and I'd watch the thing that I needed to watch.
01:23:41 ◼ ► Sometimes these days we'll do... Like I watched an episode of a TV show in the backyard the other day.
01:23:49 ◼ ► Because that's where I was and the other spaces in the house were being taken up by other people. And that's fine too.
01:23:56 ◼ ► But I'm mostly, when I'm reviewing stuff for a podcast, when I'm doing the homework, it's mostly in the living room on the big TV.
01:24:06 ◼ ► Same for me. I still want to be able to relax to watch the program so I can actually watch it properly.
01:24:16 ◼ ► I want to be able to relax and watch it so I'm in the right frame of mind. Even though I might be taking notes or have a different thought process while watching the show or the movie,
01:24:26 ◼ ► I still want to be comfortable with the best sound system, with the best TV. To get the best experience out of the proper areas.
01:24:35 ◼ ► Yeah. I always joke about like, "Oh, I watched this movie as the director intended on an iPhone."
01:24:40 ◼ ► No. They don't want that at all and you should try to get it in the ideal kind of circumstance.
01:24:55 ◼ ► Luke says, "What features would you like to see in a consumer Apple display and what kind of price point do you think it should sit at?"
01:25:04 ◼ ► Oh, wow. I want, I mean, features. I want it to be a 5K or above display. I want it to have a camera, a good camera in it.
01:25:24 ◼ ► I want it to be a Thunderbolt or whatever is the state of the art when it comes out hub so that you can connect a device to it and then connect a bunch of things to the back of the display and have them be connected like with the old Thunderbolt display.
01:25:43 ◼ ► I would love it if that camera also was a Face ID capable kind of sensor. That would be spectacular if that was the case.
01:25:52 ◼ ► And I would like pro display kind of design, right? Or whatever the future Apple design is, right? But like really modern looking.
01:26:17 ◼ ► Nano texture option is great. And then in terms of the price point, I would say find a comparable monitor of that size and have it be a bit more than that, but not too much because it's never going to be the cheapest option because it would be an Apple display.
01:26:35 ◼ ► But I'd like it to not be too overpriced. That's always my dream with Apple products is please don't overprice it so much that it's impossible for me to buy.
01:26:49 ◼ ► Right. So, I mean, I guess the ideal price point is $1300 to $1500. Like when I say ideal, it's like what do we think they would charge and how much can they charge? And the iMac starts at $1800.
01:27:19 ◼ ► That's about as much as you could get from it because it gets ludicrous, right? Like if you have a display that costs more than a computer when it's consumer grade, right? Like obviously the Pro Display costs more than everything depending on what you're buying.
01:27:34 ◼ ► Apple's argument might be that most people should just buy an iMac and that this is for everyone else.
01:27:40 ◼ ► You also have to be real. Like there's got to be some kind of realisticness to it still.
01:27:46 ◼ ► I would also argue that if it's got an integrated hub and all of that, like they could make it and a good camera and all of that, that it would be like the competition but more expensive but also better in some ways. I don't know. I hope they do one, but I'm still not convinced that they are.
01:28:03 ◼ ► Alright, should we go up another floor? We're nearly at the top of the staircase. Maybe we can finally get out of the way from those lasers.
01:28:09 ◼ ► Yeah, before we do that, I want to say if touch is supported on the Mac, I want touch on that display and I want it to also connect iOS devices so that I could also attach an iPad to it and it would do touch.
01:28:28 ◼ ► James asked, "What's your typical setup for video calls? Which camera do you use? Which microphone do you use?"
01:28:34 ◼ ► Wow, I'm using my iMac Pro FaceTime camera because it's 1080 and it looks pretty good and in fact I've got the Logitech external camera and I don't think it looks as good. I don't think the framing is as good. I don't think the metering, the white balance, I don't think any of it is as good.
01:28:55 ◼ ► It's an old one, old 1080p one that I bought like five years ago and used with my other devices but I started using it with this iMac Pro but I just don't as much anymore unless I need something that I can point in a different direction or mount in a different way.
01:29:10 ◼ ► Yeah, and mic, I use my mic that I use for podcasts and my headphones that I use for podcasts. So in my case, that's a Shure SM7B.
01:29:20 ◼ ► So when I'm at my desk, I use my microphone which is a Neumann KMS 105. I love that thing. I now have a webcam, the Logitech Brio. There's a bunch of different models of the Brio but it's a 4K webcam. It looks really good.
01:29:44 ◼ ► It really helps to have a bit of light if you can get a bit of light on you but that's pretty much the same with all cameras but if you can get a bit of external light it really helps but I do like that camera. That one does a good job and I use that.
01:29:58 ◼ ► Or I also will take video calls on my iPad Pro with its camera and using my AirPods. They're like the two different ways that I'll take video calls.
01:30:25 ◼ ► And you plug your iPhone in to your Mac and you run Camo Studio on your Mac and now you have a webcam that is your iPhone.
01:30:34 ◼ ► It doesn't work with all apps but it works with Zoom and I used it on Zoom and it totally worked and I was able to do some stuff that you can manually zoom it to the right zoom level and all that.
01:30:48 ◼ ► And because you're using such a high quality camera you can zoom in a little bit and it doesn't have any impact on the quality of the image.
01:30:59 ◼ ► I actually bought a little clip. It's like an iPhone stand clip. So it's clipped back behind my iMac and then I can have it.
01:31:06 ◼ ► I can clip the phone into it and kind of hang it over the edge of my iMac and use it as a webcam.
01:31:15 ◼ ► It's fiddly and it's a bit of work but it does actually look really good because that's a way better camera than any other camera you're going to get.
01:31:53 ◼ ► Do you move stuff around to specific places though, like in your mind, do you have your own model of where the windows go?
01:32:03 ◼ ► And yeah, I have places for some of this stuff to go but I just put it there and I don't have any app to move.
01:32:21 ◼ ► I am opposed to multiple desktops. They're great for other people but I'm not interested in them at all.
01:32:49 ◼ ► So like all my communication apps are here, so like Messages is here, Slack is here, Email is here, I have Notes, I have OmniFocus, I have Todoist.
01:33:51 ◼ ► I think this is one of those cases where I'm just going to admit to being an old school Mac user.
01:34:53 ◼ ► Yeah. Mine are vandalism. We wrote on their whiteboard whatever that was for and broke a window.
01:35:12 ◼ ► While we're on our way I guess I could play you that text adventure trailer right? On my cassette player.
01:36:11 ◼ ► The only real piece of information that we need is what kind of zombies are we dealing with here?
01:36:31 ◼ ► If we have to use this fire extinguisher to extinguish a fire I'm going to be very disappointed.
01:36:45 ◼ ► Myke you and I we're like a SWAT team here. We're going to cover our corners and we're going to take it floor by floor.
01:36:55 ◼ ► The theater is filled with the shuffling bodies of zombified patients and staff members.
01:37:00 ◼ ► There are too many zombies here to fight. Upon seeing you they become agitated and start to close in.
01:37:28 ◼ ► She says, "You didn't eat anything did you? The chief of staff told me to add vitamin Z to the meatloaf.
01:37:46 ◼ ► You guys may not remember the past text adventures but we've had this conversation before.
01:38:16 ◼ ► You manage to escape Z-ward with your life but you'll never forgive yourself for the loss of your sister.
01:38:40 ◼ ► If you want this text adventure it's available for all Relay FM members in the crossover feed.
01:39:07 ◼ ► That's the end of the tape I guess. Can you flip it over? What's on the other side? Anything good on the other side?