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So if you're if you're unfamiliar with what Jason's talking about custom cursors,
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just go watch these sessions because super good.
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They were so good and they really kind of gave a good foundation for what it takes to really implement the cursor well.
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Yeah and developers don't need like the little dot the little circle that we see on iPad cursors is a default.
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But like as a developer you can do a custom cursor whatever you want it to be like that's part of the beauty of the system
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that they built is that you can you can build a custom cursor for certain states in your app
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and I've seen some apps that do it and it makes sense
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and they and they all kind of morph from one to the other like there's animations that happen and stuff that the system is doing.
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But anyway, so that part's missing from Excel,
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but I would imagine that they probably will add that at some point to make it feel more like more like more like Excel more like real Excel.
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Apple is reportedly working with both Sony and Microsoft to get Apple TV the Apple TV app
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and all of its TV Plus content onto the next generation of games consoles.
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So the Xbox Series X and S and the PlayStation 5 there is also according to some sources the possibility
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that there could be homekit support for the consoles added as well,
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which I would really like now this is you know,
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this makes sense because we've seen Apple do this right they want to be on all of the popular streaming platforms
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and the games consoles are legit like,
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you know, like you see Netflix and all these kinds of video streaming apps on the consoles
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because for a lot of people they do become like a good home theater type thing,
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right and especially the PlayStation because it's also a Blu-ray player,
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right? So lots of people as well as wanting the games console functionality also use these as home entertainment devices.
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But here's my question. I wonder if this deal could do for Microsoft.
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What the Amazon deal did for Amazon which is could this open the door to actually make game streaming work the way that Microsoft
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wanted to work and not the way the Apple want it to work.
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I doubt it, but you never know. It's big companies.
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This seems Apple seems to have put a stake in the ground that like this is just how it has to work.
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My guess is that they'll find some other areas where they can work together
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and there's probably a benefit to having Apple's entertainment stuff on Sony and Microsoft's consoles.
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And you know, my guess is not my guess is it's more like what they already have which is in home streaming being supported
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and allowed and maybe working better but out of home.
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Nor do we know whether there is a Mac configuration based on this same technology
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and what it might look up look like but that was what my story was back a while ago back in July about the speculation based on this
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and at that time I very immediately said wow a theoretical multi-core A14 version running on a Mac might actually be like faster than the fastest iMacs.
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Which is really interesting for an Apple silicon Mac.
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It's fine, but it really isn't as continuing Apple's pace of speed boosts to these processors per generation and that's not the case.
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So Steve Trouton Smith was tweeting about this over the weekend
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and I had a couple of quotes from him that I thought were interesting to discuss.
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One is I personally expect even the thinnest and lightest devices to be out almost all of the 2020 iMac lineup in performance
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and push very close to the high-end i7 and i9.
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So Steve is very optimistic based on this right based on these results of like,
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well, this is just what this A14 chip is doing in an iPad Air and it's got these kinds of numbers.
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So yeah, I think Steve is quite optimistic for what this could be like in a Mac and doing what we think is like,
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even if they just go for the basic version which we're expecting,
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you're like a MacBook or whatever that it could end up being much more powerful than most of the stuff that Apple's providing today.
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I really enjoyed seeing Steve's Twitter thread about this because I felt like it was he was making the same kind of extrapolations that I was making as guesswork in July.
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But making them based on that Geekbench score.
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I mean Myke ever since the announcement in June about Apple Silicon.
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I feel like it just keeps building like the anticipation and like my optimism my excitement for what they're going to be able to do just keeps growing like it's it's the more you see of this now.
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Steve Tran Smith makes the point that we don't know the graphics story.
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Yeah, because you know the A14 we don't I don't think we know a graphics score for the A14,
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but of course the A14 X would have more graphics cores and a Mac would presumably have more graphics cores.
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So we have to see like what that side of it is,
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but it's just it's really interesting that that now when we think about this now that we see the A14 for the first time instead of saying,
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oh, well, what does this mean for iPad performance in the future?
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Now we say oh, what does this mean for iPad and Mac performance in the future?
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Because I think the assumption is that whether they call it a 14 or m 14 or a 14 M or whatever they do or whether they brand it as something totally different.
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That the next the Apple silicon Mac processors will probably be based on the A14 architecture in some way even if they don't name it that and this is these numbers if they're real not only are do they kind of match and slightly exceed kind of what you'd expect,
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but they're really good. Like that's the other part of it is that they're really really good.
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If you put this in a Mac because of the pace of Intel's speed boost,
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it starts to look really good purely from a speed perspective and like leaving aside the fact that this also brings lots of energy savings,
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which means better battery life for for laptops.
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It's talking about the graphics Steve gives some numbers that are interesting.
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So he says the Apple has to get from a 9000 or so metal compute score,
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right? Like that's amazing that that's Apple reaching way higher up than I think any of us expected them to be able to at the beginning of this transition.
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That's what they said to your transition.
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We're like, well in a couple years, they'll be able to reach up there.
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I did laugh about it because I I can just see the assigning memo or conversation from whoever Mark Gurman's editor is saying Mark.
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I want a story you write about Apple, you know about Apple.
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I want a story about succession. Like okay, like Tim for Tim Cook not for everybody everybody go through the list and just give me names of everybody at Apple.
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And so this this article is it's good but at moments it's absurd because it really feels like they're just you know,
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he went down and he's got great contacts. So he gets names and stuff.
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It's very impressive and what people think and it's sort of like the people he talked to what they think the the conventional wisdom is about who is you know,
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who would step up to replace somebody if they left Apple and but it does also feel like he literally went through the list the executive list on the web page
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and then got a name for the editor did and said I want a paragraph about every one of these people Mark.
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Kermit's like, all right. Okay, I can do that and he can do it and he did it and he did a good job.
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But I did I find it the premise a little bit funny because in some of them it feels a little like a teacher gives you an assignment
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and and you realize that they've made a mistake
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and that some of the parts of the assignment are dumb and you shouldn't do them like the when he gets to retail
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and he talked about like they literally made a change at retail and put Deidre O'Brien in charge
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and he's like really there's nothing to say here.
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There are people there are people that are good at the bottom inside.
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Yeah, maybe like but I think it's also the problem is that so the premise is really great
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and I think Mark makes it so I'm not trying to pick on Mark here.
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I think Mark is a pro and he does a great job.
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I can see I can see where he was asked to do stuff where he's like, all right fine.
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But that's that's the job when your editor tells you to do something.
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He makes a great case at the top of this article,
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which is something we've talked about here too.
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And I know other Apple focus podcasts have talked about it,
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which is these people a lot of these people have been at Apple a long time.
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They have made a lot of money. They have made even more money in stock
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and the argument is not so they can do your job
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so they can replace you which is sort of the Stalin argument,
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right which is no I need everybody dependent on me
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so that nobody nobody replaces me in a coup.
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But as a as a manager, ideally you want to advance and grow
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and change and the only way you can do that is by having your people be brought up
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and and a good organizational structure values managers who grow their people like they see that as an asset.
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Like we can promote you and put you on something else
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because you cultivate good people in your group who then go on to be contributors like that's how it all works.
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So anyway, I am not to not to go get too far off of Mark Gurman,
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but like that's what I think is important about this kind of story is that any of these people could leave at any time.
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And the question is who are they cultivating and you know,
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there are some great answers where it's like this looks like a person who's ready to go
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and there are other answers where it's like that's a that's one to watch.
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So let's start to get into this a little bit.
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Obviously, we'll start at the very top. We'll start with Tim.
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So the the succession planning for the CEO all signs point to Jeff Williams and have done for a while.
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So Jeff Williams had been running operations for quite a while.
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So coming from a very still the exact same background as Tim and then took over development of health
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and watch the Apple watch in 2013 right last year gained oversight of all software and hardware.
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So he kind of seems very much like how Cook was to jobs really in like taking a lot of the roles that had previously been seen as the Apple CEO or CEO's job,
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right? So like picking up a lot of quite large oversight and large areas.
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So everyone's always thought. Yep. Williams definitely CEO,
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but Williams and Cook are the same age.
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So if Cook wants to keep going Williams might not get the chance.
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This reminds me quite a lot of the British Royal family barely here.
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The Queen clearly got it does not want to go away.
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But but you see the point there and so so Jeff Williams like it's always good to have a vice president who can step in in case something happens to the president.
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But a lot of times that nothing happens to the president and the vice president just is around
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and that's not a great job, but it happens.
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I think there are people that come up throughout this conversation who could step into this role.
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But Williams really seems to be kind of like the person there
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if something did happen to Tim Cook Jeff Williams would be the person to pick up the mantle
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but it does seem like there are many people throughout the organization that could that could take the reins.
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I will just say like one potential I think could be Craig Federighi if he decided
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or if it was decided it was something that he wanted to do purely from the like the kind of jobs idea of the creative person being CEO.
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It does seem like at least that Federighi has so much responsibility at Apple that maybe but I doubt it but maybe.
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So the next kind of roll down which actually makes a lot of sense at Apple is marketing.
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and despite his rising profile has remained unassuming.
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All characteristics of a potential future division head or even CEO.
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Now I would say from seeing John Turner speak and hearing John Turner speak.
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I could imagine him as a leader of Apple.
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Like he gives that kind of feeling right interesting.
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Yeah. I mean, I don't know and again behind what's fascinating is that behind the scenes.
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We've seen his profile rise in you know on stage,
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but behind the scenes it's interesting to hear how highly he's he's thought of that that means a lot.
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Hardware Technologies. This is where it starts to fall apart currently run by Johnny Srouji.
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There's not many people that are said to be seen as having the quote clout to run such a demanding division.
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So there isn't anyone. Sribalan Santhanam is currently the person most likely to step up.
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I mean again purely because I think we've seen Santhanam recently
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as part of the Apple Silicon introduction in this division is an important person,
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but it seems like Srouji is like well embedded in this division which is
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and we already mentioned it the same for the retail and HR.
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Is that Deidre O'Brien's role is solidified here.
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It is still expected as I think continues to make sense that eventually they should separate these two divisions again,
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but maybe there is something to be said right now during COVID-19 to having this all run by one person
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and it ended up just being lucky for Apple really that they ended up putting one person in charge of a role
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that would have an awful lot of interconnection right now.
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That retail being like Apple's frontline needs a lot of human resource now,
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maybe more than it's needed as like transitioning these employees to different roles inside of the company.
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But yes, this is a role that nobody is has been specified for.
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So I wanted to make like an overall point here where the diversity of the people
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that are being suggested as taking over roles is far different
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and better than what we have seen currently inside of Apple's leadership.
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So lots of non-white men, right that are being put in line it seems for future top roles,
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which is fantastic. It's great to see that
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and I think is something to be said for the efforts that Apple have been saying they've been pushing on
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but the key is to keep them because how long do these people have to wait
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because if you have someone in these roles who is like is a woman is a non-white person.
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How long are they going to need to wait before they're going to either leave
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or going to be poached by somebody else to run a company somewhere else,
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right like the danger is the only people who stay who are the who are the people who are Apple lifers
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who've been there for a very very long time,
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which means that they're older and that the younger up-and-coming talented people like they need advancement in their careers.
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And if they don't get it, I mean an Apple I'm sure can afford to pay them whatever they need to pay them to make them stay
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but ultimately it's not all about that.
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And if Google or Facebook or you know,
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Microsoft or whoever has a more senior role for them.
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They will lose them and I and this brings me back to what I was saying earlier about if you're Tim Cook,
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one of the things you need to do is be paying attention to the longtime people on your team who have lots of money
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and lots of stock and have been at Apple a very long time
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and are getting up there in age where maybe they're thinking about,
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you know retirement or easing back and all of that
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and you have to look at that and think about the people that you're going to lose like you could have a senior executive who's happy as a clam
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and they're doing their job that they've always done and they're fine.
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So at some point you have to make decisions like that where it's not like I'm not firing you.
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In fact, you could be again. I don't know the facts about Phil Schiller,
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but like it's a good example of I'm not firing you you can still be part of this and you can still do stuff.
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But like I need to bring up your your lieutenants or I'm going to lose them.
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And then we got nothing because you don't and this is part of my sales pitch to this in imaginary Apple exec.
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You don't want to have to start from scratch at training a new generation of people to replace you
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because you did too good a job at this and they all left because you wouldn't leave.
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So like I think this is this is a great challenge for Tim Cook and a great challenge for Apple is how do you keep this great well of talent that's up and coming?
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How do you keep them advancing if you have this group of people who've been at Apple since the 90s
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and have been on this ride where Apple has gone from being almost dead to being on top at some point.
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You have to start having all of those people, you know, you play the victory music
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and you have them exit and then go out into the world and and become philanthropists
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or drive around in their fancy cars or whatever they want to do because not because they're doing a bad job,
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but because they're now standing in the way of the next generation of people
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and it's probably worse to have a brain drain at that second level, right?
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Because then you've got a person who's been there forever who now is connecting with people who are way younger than them
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and way less experienced at Apple and maybe they're kind of like easing off on how intense they are about working
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and they have to train another group that they already mentored this group
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and that mentorship is now providing value to one of your competitors.
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It's tough, right? It's a tough thing.
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So I like seeing these people in these places, but like that's part of the challenge here is how do you keep those people who are really great
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and have a potential big trajectory ahead of them at Apple.
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Well, I mean some of it, I would imagine some of it is, I'm in charge of this and I don't want to give it up.
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I think that that is a challenge and that's a management challenge.
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I think some of it is when you promote somebody you want to give them a feeling that they're actually in charge of something
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and there is this potential to have the hollow promotion where you're promoting somebody to be in charge of a thing that your boss is the same
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because they're actually in charge of both.
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So I'm in charge of A and B and I decide that I really love my lieutenants in A and B.
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So I'm going to make them senior vice presidents of A and B.
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They still report to me and their job was to be in charge of A and B and it still is to be in charge of A and B and I'm still in charge of them.
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Like that's great, but it's also nothing, right?
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That's the danger is but I think you're right.
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And this is a place where as we mentioned about Deidre O'Brien that there's potential is at some point does a lieutenant step up in HR or retail
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and Deidre O'Brien says I'm not going to do retail anymore.
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You're going to do retail and you it's a real promotion or at some point.
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Are you a very senior person and you've got two people who are in charge of these two groups at that moment
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where you decide to enter into fellowship and go to your island do those two people rather than them fighting it out to see who gets your job.
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You both you basically say no now you're separately in charge of these things and you were both report to Tim Cook.
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The challenge there is that also whether it's Jeff Williams or Tim Cook like there's only so many people who you can have report to you.
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You can't have a structure where there's like 50 people reporting to the CEO that it doesn't work.
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I mean, that's why they pay him the big bucks.
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But that is a challenge that they have.
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And then once I've replied to that person for the first time, or I picked that email, or I've maybe I've moved it to my inbox, SaneBox learns from that.
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And then I'll see that person in my inbox in the future.
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And it's just a way to try and keep my inbox to the emails that I need to see immediately.
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And then I can dig into other stuff when I want to.
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And SaneNews is filtering out newsletters and stuff like that,
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which is really great because that's stuff that doesn't need my attention immediately.
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I'll get to it when I want to get to it.
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They're like the three people so like now to leave Lucas and Todd like three people that always have good reporting on this stuff because they all come in this from a tech angle as well, which is interesting to me.
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But these days most of my information about Apple TV comes from as you said Mac stories macro rumors on 9 to 5 Mac
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because they are all following it now because it's important, you know, to say we were there first, right?
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I think everyone can agree on that at this point that we were there first.
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But yeah, these days I don't need to go to variety and deadline to get that news.
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But typically when I see it on 9 to 5 Mac, I do click through to whatever source they're pulling it from.
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Because it tends to be deadline variety The Hollywood Reporter and they will have more information as is typical with that type of article.
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Martin asked do you think that the icon customization trend that we've seen will bring more people to actually use shortcuts for automation?
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I think yes because I think that there are a lot of people now that didn't even know this app existed and may dig around.
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I don't think it's going to be like now the whole world is using shortcuts.
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But I just think naturally through there being more people using it more people will be like what else does this do?
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So I think it's good. I do think I want to put this out there.
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I do think we are going to see a more official way of doing this and shortcuts will be the answer.
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Yeah, I don't know. I mean my guess is no but my longer answer is what you said which is
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I'm sure that some people will discover shortcuts and think oh look at this.
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I didn't know this was there and then they'll do more things with you user automation,
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but I doubt it would be a particularly large number and my gut feeling is that in the long run.
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I mean Apple might just make a change so that when you tap on an icon that runs a shortcut that runs an app,
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it just launches the app and doesn't show you the shortcut interface.
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But if I had to guess my guess is that Apple will instead provide a way for people to do custom icons next year.
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Yeah, I agree. I just for whatever reason I think that they will quote-unquote hide this in shortcuts
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and it would be like a way to do it right if they decided it was the right thing to do.
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They could do that in an update iOS 14 and it would become one of those things
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where it maybe slides down the little notification saying I'm opening this app
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and shows that apps icon or whatever but doesn't open up shortcuts or anything like that
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because that's it feels so arbitrary already right like what there are actions that if you tap on an icon in
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fact, here's a here's a good one those icons you tap on them in the home screen
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and they launch shortcuts and then they run the shortcut and then they open the app,
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but if you put them in a widget and you tap on them they just open so like I made a widget called read news
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that gives me a list of like 10 news sources that I read and most of them are apps
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but some of them are websites and I tap on them and then just opens right like in the widget
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if you launch it from the widget there are certain things certain actions you take that don't open the shortcuts UI
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but tapping on the icon in the home screen opens the shortcuts UI
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so like they could adjust that if they wanted to and said oh no for something this simple
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we're just going to put up a little sliding notification II thing that says
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oh, I'm now opening this app that you asked me to open and that would probably be fine.
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That would be the easier thing to do. I think the long run they just need to embrace this one.
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My mac will call him a couple weeks ago. Just embrace it right like just let people be able to paste in new icons.
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Like it's fine do that. Let's do that Adrian asks the next generation consoles.
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You going with Xbox PlayStation 5 neither both or undecided.
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My son has determined that we will get the PS 5.
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Okay, as he says that the title the software the titles on it are better.
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And so even though we've got a ps4 and an Xbox and in fact,
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we were I would say we were an Xbox primary house before he is
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more excited about the PS 5 and he did he determines everything in our house.
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Yeah, so yeah, he's the gamer. I am PlayStation 5 primarily for the same reason as your son,
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but I have also ordered the Xbox series s the cheaper one because the price is so good.
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It's 250 dollars 250 pounds. It's kind of like I already do pay for Xbox game pass.
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So yeah, you know, yeah, I'm not just go for it and we
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and we will probably end up there too because it's not like we don't have an Xbox one X
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and a and a ps4 in our house right now.
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In fact, I was playing Star Wars squadrons on the psvr.
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I heard about this on the secret podcast.
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I'm very surprised to hear that you got a psvr as well,
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but we can maybe talk about that another time,
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but I want to know what you think of squadrons because I'm wondering if it's a game that I want to get.
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Yeah, I mean it yeah it it I'm terrible at it because I'm terrible at video games,
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but it's fun and I loved x-wing and tie fighter a million years ago in like the 90s when those were games game.
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It is hard. It is hard. But you know what?
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I am a big believer in easy mode and short or it's called here is story mode and it's like,
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oh, is it super easy? Yeah, that's because you know what?
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I don't need the challenge. I just want to have fun flying around in space and see the story right
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and so that's why they make it easy mode a story mode and that's what I what I use.
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But yeah, it was fun. I've only played the little intro part.
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So I've got more to do there but but I have played some great psvr games.
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We should talk about that at some point James Thompson hooked me up with the best psvr games
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and I have not been disappointed with his selections.
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Johan asks when you watch Apple events live.
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Do you watch them on YouTube or the Apple website?
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I'm old school. So I use the Apple website. Yeah, me too.
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I've always done that. So I just always I just keep doing it.
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I like to watch them on my Apple TV and you know,
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the Apple TV app for Apple events is better than the YouTube app is for its purpose on the Apple TV.
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I think that's true and Molly's asks Molly's opens and closes the show today above snow talk
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Is there value in sleep tracking? I think there's oh boy.
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I've never done it which is why I wanted to ask like I've never done it
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because I don't particularly want to wear so a device while sleeping,
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but I'm I'm open to trying it. I have tried it.
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I think I think it depends on who you are. I'm a big like life logging person.
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I'm fascinated by keeping various stats about stuff
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and even I look at sleep tracking and things like I think I think sleep tracking is important.
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If you have an issue with sleep and you are trying to figure it out perhaps with a doctor,
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perhaps not I think I think it can have value there.
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I think that what Apple is trying to do is impose structure on people.
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It's a very Apple thing to do with the Apple watch where they're trying to impose a sleep structure on people
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because there is apparently a lot of medical evidence that the solution to people with sleep problems is you set a bedtime every time every day
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and then you a wake-up time every day and you do that and you get in a rhythm
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and if you're one of these people who kind of meanders and maybe they go to bed at 10 or 11 or 12 or 1,
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but like whatever it's all over the place and they get up whenever that that's worse for your sleep.
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And so I appreciate that Apple is making that using that approach
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as somebody who doesn't have sleep problems.