00:00:08 ◼ ► From Relay FM, this is Upgrade, episode 325. Today's show is brought to you by PDF Pen from Smile,
00:00:16 ◼ ► Pingdom, and Ooni Pizza Ovens. My name is Myke Hurley and I'm joined by Jason Snow. Hello, Jason Snow.
00:00:21 ◼ ► Hi Myke Hurley. We, uh, we're three for three, you know, in our weird new world of monthly Apple events.
00:00:29 ◼ ► Probably the last one. Probably the last one, right? It's got a... I reckon we'll have one within the next
00:00:36 ◼ ► three or four months, but I don't think it's going to be until 2021. No, there was a subtle sort of, like,
00:00:42 ◼ ► I appreciated that Tim Cook came out right at the beginning of this event and was like, "Wow,
00:00:45 ◼ ► hard to believe this is our third event in two months," and I'm sitting here thinking, "It's not
00:00:49 ◼ ► hard to believe, Tim. We've been living it." But yeah, I think that there's some implication there
00:00:54 ◼ ► that it's going to be a little bit. I actually have a Snow Talk question of you of my own doing,
00:01:03 ◼ ► We opened this presentation today with Tim Cook in Cafe Max. So that's, like, Apple's employee cafe
00:01:10 ◼ ► with those incredibly large doors, those massive glass doors. What do you think Tim Cook had for
00:01:16 ◼ ► breakfast before the presentation began today? I don't think he had anything because clearly the
00:01:20 ◼ ► entire place has been cleaned out and nobody was there, so they didn't make any food. I did think
00:01:24 ◼ ► to myself, "Is that a day where they're just like, 'All right, no one can get lunch today, Tim? Tim's
00:01:30 ◼ ► shooting in here.'" I don't know who's at at Apple Park right now and what the food situation is and
00:01:36 ◼ ► how they handle that in terms of keeping safe and all of that. Is it little box lunches that you go
00:01:41 ◼ ► get or whatever? But it was immaculate, like nobody had ever been in that spot before. Just
00:01:48 ◼ ► Tim. That's Tim's personal. He has hundreds of chairs to choose from. All right, we have,
00:01:55 ◼ ► obviously, so much to get to today. But let's start with a couple of notes, programming notes,
00:02:01 ◼ ► really. This has been an interesting week and not only did we have an Apple event today,
00:02:07 ◼ ► iPhone Mini and Max reviews dropped yesterday and they're available for everybody to buy on Friday.
00:02:26 ◼ ► I'm sure you're working on a review of some kind, maybe, or at least some kind of article about them.
00:02:32 ◼ ► Yeah, I mean, amid all the other things that are going on, sure, yeah. I'm working on it in the
00:02:39 ◼ ► sense that I have been using the phones and then all this other stuff happens. So we'll see, but
00:02:45 ◼ ► yeah, sure. Yeah, and I was able to order the phone that I wanted and it's coming on Friday,
00:02:57 ◼ ► Yeah, you've said that to me and also call it out in the little article that you wrote,
00:03:29 ◼ ► Right. Which will actually be a part of a bumper episode because we're very excited that next week
00:03:38 ◼ ► we're going to be welcoming back friends of the show, Tim Millet and Tom Boger from Apple
00:03:43 ◼ ► to talk about the M1. So you may remember a few weeks ago we had Tim and Tom on to talk about the
00:03:49 ◼ ► A14 and looking forward to what we were calling Apple Silicon. But we're going to be bringing them
00:04:02 ◼ ► We are recording this in advance, so we don't have a ton of notice, but if you have questions
00:04:09 ◼ ► that you would like us to ask, please send those in with the hashtag #AskUpgrade and we may be able
00:04:20 ◼ ► Sure. That's right. Any surprise sibling questions, throw those in the mix. But just do it quickly
00:04:26 ◼ ► because we have to pre-tape that. So as you hear this, if you have any thoughts, immediately send
00:04:30 ◼ ► them to #AskUpgrade and we'll use them if we can. All right. Let's talk about the draft.
00:04:57 ◼ ► can't I win just one of them?" I have that feeling every now and then. But I looked at the scores
00:05:03 ◼ ► and we're so close that you beat me 5-4 today. We can go through them a little bit maybe, but
00:05:09 ◼ ► I felt a little less bad about the fact that typically these competitions are pretty close
00:05:15 ◼ ► and you tend to win by one or two points. So it's like, "All right. It's not like it's 5-0
00:05:25 ◼ ► Yeah. 0 for 2020. You have 4 for 2020. We all know this, Jason. You don't need me to say it,
00:05:38 ◼ ► Yeah. The big ones. So yeah, we scored at 5-4. I got the tiebreaker, but it didn't matter because
00:05:44 ◼ ► it was a short, it was a 45-minute presentation. The big ones I missed on the A14X because we ended
00:06:01 ◼ ► a demo of iOS apps on the Mac. It was more like an image that they exist, and then goodbye.
00:06:07 ◼ ► When this happened, I was annoyed at myself. And the reason I was annoyed at myself is they have
00:06:23 ◼ ► right? So they did have that. That was a moment where you could go get yourself another drink
00:06:27 ◼ ► while they did those demos, but they didn't do that on this one. I thought you had a good
00:06:31 ◼ ► chance of getting that, that they would actually show that experience. They didn't. So we still
00:06:36 ◼ ► only know vaguely, it's going to be one of the things that's very interesting when people can
00:06:41 ◼ ► first start reporting about what these machines are like. One of the things that's really going
00:06:46 ◼ ► to be, what is it like to use an iOS app on the Mac? Supposedly it's very Mac-like, but we haven't
00:06:53 ◼ ► really seen it in a huge amount of detail. Anyway, you also said the return of the MacBook
00:06:57 ◼ ► which didn't happen. Yeah, I knew I was going to lose this draft on Tuesday because Mark
00:07:16 ◼ ► but that didn't happen. And then you mentioned Apple tags and new AirPods and it was a Mac-only
00:07:20 ◼ ► event. So 5-4, I'll take it. I'll take the win. I honestly thought that you were going to get this
00:07:27 ◼ ► one, but it didn't happen. So we'll move on to 2021. Yeah, I wonder how many there will be in
00:07:36 ◼ ► 2021. I don't know. Yeah, I would say overall, I've actually really enjoyed doing as many drafts
00:07:44 ◼ ► as we have been doing. I think that's actually been pretty fun. But yeah, I think we did.
00:07:50 ◼ ► We did pretty well, right? Like we both did pretty well on the Mac stuff. It was on non-Mac picks
00:07:56 ◼ ► because there was no non-Mac anything. It was mandatory. Yeah, and the ones we got right were
00:08:01 ◼ ► literally just a person will appear. And, you know, I took Craig for Big Sur and you took
00:08:07 ◼ ► Johnny Scrooge for the chips and we got those. So yeah. Just as a couple of like meta things.
00:08:14 ◼ ► This event ran fast, again, faster. It wasn't much of an event in time. It's about 45 minutes,
00:08:23 ◼ ► but I didn't feel completely overwhelmed or confused in the same way that I did with the
00:08:32 ◼ ► but this one felt much easier to digest. Again, it's like, it looks fantastic. I'm sure you
00:08:38 ◼ ► really loved the, like, when they were going through the, like what looked like some kind of,
00:08:46 ◼ ► Yes. When they were going down to the chip lab and they obviously spent the vast majority
00:08:51 ◼ ► of the presentation, I think, in the chip lab or in front of that screen in Steve Jobs theater.
00:09:03 ◼ ► right? Like the one that got me was where they, they like show Tim far away and like a crane or
00:09:10 ◼ ► a drone flies all the way up to get to Tim. And then he just turns and he's at the place where
00:09:16 ◼ ► we see him before. But there are a couple of those things there. They're experimenting and,
00:09:20 ◼ ► and getting more comfortable showing off. Who knew that when they spent those billions of dollars for
00:09:25 ◼ ► Apple park for the campus, that the number one thing that, uh, they would use it for would be
00:09:31 ◼ ► as a set for their video Apple. They're pretty lucky that they do have such a beautiful campus,
00:09:38 ◼ ► right? They are. And they're showing it off, but yeah, it's true. Because they can, it is
00:09:47 ◼ ► infinite loop was fine, but like it didn't, it would not look the same. Uh, if they would have
00:09:54 ◼ ► had to have shot everything at the old campus, like the Apple park campus really does lend itself
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00:13:41 ◼ ► I mean, my initial thought was when they said Apple Silicon at WWDC that there was going to
00:13:49 ◼ ► be a brand name that came that they wouldn't just leave it like that. But it was a real debate.
00:13:54 ◼ ► And I actually picked that they were going to use an A14 in our draft because I just sort of
00:14:01 ◼ ► had given up hope that they would do something different. I definitely suggested using the M
00:14:07 ◼ ► name. I think I suggested they just call it the M14. And I heard from a lot of people who said
00:14:13 ◼ ► they can't use M because they used it for the motion coprocessor. And I guess what I would say
00:14:18 ◼ ► is if Apple wants to use it again, they just will. And they don't care. So M1 it is. And the motion
00:14:27 ◼ ► coprocessor fades into oblivion because that's the Mac chip now, M1. Start from the start.
00:14:33 ◼ ► There's no parity with the A14. It's just the M1. And it's good because we can talk about the M1.
00:14:40 ◼ ► And presumably in the long run, we can talk about the M series chips, which is a better way to do it.
00:14:46 ◼ ► Probably once we get to M2, M3 or whatever, we won't need to refer to it anymore because Intel
00:14:52 ◼ ► won't be around anymore. So we won't talk about these chips in the way that we have been for the
00:14:56 ◼ ► last few months of, oh, when it's Apple Silicon, when it's Intel, like that's going to fade away.
00:15:02 ◼ ► But I just like that there is a brand for it, which is more than calling this Apple Silicon
00:15:08 ◼ ► Max, M1 Max. And I like as well, because it became obvious to us, I think we spotted this in the last
00:15:15 ◼ ► presentation, that Apple started referring to Apple Silicon in the Apple Watch, for example,
00:15:21 ◼ ► right? Which is not a phrase that they had used before. It was just their own chip or their own
00:15:26 ◼ ► custom silicon, but they started calling it Apple Silicon. So that's clearly going to be the overall
00:15:35 ◼ ► - Something I want to mention about the M1 and like, is it an A14X? Is it something like that?
00:15:57 ◼ ► what was it? There was different like Thunderbolt, there was no Thunderbolt where there is on this.
00:16:04 ◼ ► So the question is, if the M1 is kind of the A14X, and I think it could be very similar,
00:16:30 ◼ ► but there are some differences. So whether there is a third variation or not, there are things that
00:16:39 ◼ ► they had to do for these models that the existing A12Z that was in the developer kit didn't do.
00:16:46 ◼ ► So it is appreciably different in that way. I don't think it's fair to say it's just an A14X
00:16:54 ◼ ► because the A12X couldn't do a bunch of things. It doesn't necessarily mean that the M1 isn't also
00:17:01 ◼ ► basically an A14X that will be used in other things. We'll have to wait for those people
00:17:07 ◼ ► who take chips off of motherboards and sand them down and X-ray them and do all those things to
00:17:13 ◼ ► find out. But in the meantime, it is the M1, at least we know that. - I think there's a couple of
00:17:20 ◼ ► important things about this, which is one, Apple isn't saying that. So the marketing message at
00:17:26 ◼ ► least is this is its own series of chips. That's where they started. They were quite clear about
00:17:32 ◼ ► that. And I think for me, it's like what this isn't is what we thought it was going to be.
00:17:38 ◼ ► And what we thought it was going to be is this is the A14T or the A14M or whatever. It's not that.
00:17:46 ◼ ► And with my layman's view on this, these chips are all made by the same company. So yes, they
00:17:55 ◼ ► share a similar foundation, but we're not going to start saying that the chips that are in the Apple
00:18:00 ◼ ► watch are like the chips that are in the iPhone. They're just not. It's like how TV OS is
00:18:06 ◼ ► technically iOS, but we don't think of it that way. - That said, these cores are essentially the
00:18:12 ◼ ► same cores that are in the A14. They're not that different, but they are building up from there to
00:18:18 ◼ ► a different product. And we'll find out. Again, I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility
00:18:23 ◼ ► that if there's an A14X and the M1 and people compare them, they discover that they are almost
00:18:29 ◼ ► exactly the same. That wouldn't surprise me. They're all in the same family, I think, the M1
00:18:34 ◼ ► and the A14. They're all part of the five nanometer process from Taiwan Semiconductor. They're all in
00:18:40 ◼ ► the family. One of the things I really like about unhitching the Mac chip from the A series is it
00:18:48 ◼ ► allows for growth in the Mac side that is not necessarily in parallel. - And vice versa. - Yeah,
00:18:56 ◼ ► well yeah, and vice versa. - Right, but you don't have to have A14 and A14X or A15, A15X
00:19:04 ◼ ► like year over year. You can iterate them at different frequencies, which is important.
00:19:10 ◼ ► - Especially now when you're rolling out new models for the Mac, you may be iterating a bit more,
00:19:16 ◼ ► but I do think that there will still be some criminology because it's Apple. There always
00:19:20 ◼ ► is criminology, but where we're like, "Is it an A14? Is that an M1? What is the M2 map to? Is that
00:19:27 ◼ ► A15? Is that A16? Watch the signs. Look to the skies, people." I don't know. I started as Batman
00:19:35 ◼ ► and I ended up as Fox Mulder there, but you know what? We're still going to do that, right? But
00:19:40 ◼ ► it does allow Apple to have a little bit of freedom to say, "This is the M1." Right? Like,
00:19:46 ◼ ► is it related to the A14? Well, I mean, it's Apple Silicon, but we're not going to tie it
00:19:52 ◼ ► that closely. And I think that's a good thing. We were very aware that no matter what they did,
00:19:58 ◼ ► the chips that they were going to produce were going to have some very impressive specs. We
00:20:03 ◼ ► knew that, right? Because we knew that if they took an iPhone and hid it inside of a Mac,
00:20:10 ◼ ► it would go great. It would be great, right? Like, we knew that. So the things that they have
00:20:16 ◼ ► given us, the information they've given us, whilst for me, I still expected it, I am still really
00:20:22 ◼ ► surprised at some of the capabilities of these chips. So there was a lot of comparisons to PCs,
00:20:32 ◼ ► but also comparisons to other Macs as well, which I appreciated. So it's lots of like three times,
00:20:39 ◼ ► four times, five times, best in class. And we'll go into some of those a little bit more when we
00:20:43 ◼ ► talk about the computers, but themselves. But one of my very favorite things is, you know,
00:20:48 ◼ ► it's got that eight core design. So it's for high efficiency, high for high performance, right?
00:20:55 ◼ ► We've seen this kind of like split for a while. Yeah, this is the, literally the iPad pro model
00:21:03 ◼ ► here, which is eight cores for performance cores for efficiency cores. Yeah. But the stat that
00:21:09 ◼ ► really, I couldn't believe was that like the four high efficiency cores. So the less powerful cores,
00:21:17 ◼ ► the ones that are working on battery life and energy performance, they have similar performance,
00:21:23 ◼ ► those four to the current dual core MacBook Air. Yeah. So it's like, oh, so there's a lot of head
00:21:32 ◼ ► room in this machine then, huh? That was amazing. If you take the fast ones away, and again, you
00:21:38 ◼ ► know, Apple would tell you, these aren't the slow ones, right? These are, these are more efficient
00:21:42 ◼ ► ones, but the more efficient cores on their own, those four will get you performance equivalent to
00:21:48 ◼ ► the, I'll grant you two core existing MacBook Air. But of course the MacBook Air doesn't come
00:21:53 ◼ ► with just the four efficiency cores. It comes with them plus the four performance cores. And
00:21:58 ◼ ► there's a lot of, I mean, we've been doing, we'll talk about the models more in a little bit, but
00:22:06 ◼ ► there are lots of charts in this first off, lots of charts. If you like charts, this was the
00:22:10 ◼ ► presentation for you, but there was the super sad chart that was, let's look at how Mac models have
00:22:15 ◼ ► gotten faster over time recently, which again, they didn't mention Intel except I think our
00:22:23 ◼ ► friend said that in the universal apps thing, they mentioned Intel, but they almost didn't mention
00:22:29 ◼ ► Intel, but here is, they talk about PC performance a lot, but like they did that chart, the super
00:22:34 ◼ ► sad chart. That's literally like, look, the Mac got slightly faster year over year. And then,
00:22:39 ◼ ► you know, here we went to Apple Silicon two and a half times as fast as the old model. And like,
00:22:45 ◼ ► when was the last time Apple released a model that updated a previous model released within the last
00:22:50 ◼ ► couple of years? And it was more than double the speed. Like that doesn't happen. It doesn't happen.
00:22:55 ◼ ► And this is what we were saying all along about how Apple isn't going to make the move to Apple
00:23:00 ◼ ► Silicon unless it can go across the board and say, look how much better our own processors are.
00:23:06 ◼ ► And to say the MacBook Air that was sold last week is, you know, this much slower, it's less than 50%
00:23:15 ◼ ► the speed. I know I'm okay. 2.5 faster. The new one is like that is much more than we've seen in
00:23:24 ◼ ► the kind of slow march of performance improvements that the Mac has seen under Intel and then a
00:23:30 ◼ ► little bit more like, you know, the pace of some of Apple's progress five years ago ish with their
00:23:37 ◼ ► own chips. But like by making that jump, you're going to more than double performance. That's
00:23:42 ◼ ► pretty spectacular. Is this a bigger performance jump from power PC to Intel? Like in numbers?
00:23:58 ◼ ► around 2x and they're claiming, you know, sort of two and a half here. But well, it's more than that.
00:24:05 ◼ ► I mean, it's two and a half just on this. But when we start getting the actual computers,
00:24:10 ◼ ► I think they're all around three to five. There's also three, four, five. Yeah, it's true. It's true.
00:24:15 ◼ ► Yeah, no, it's a big, it's a big jump. And that's what, that's why they're doing it right. That's
00:24:19 ◼ ► why they want to go out there and do it this way and boast about their, like they had the whole
00:24:24 ◼ ► thing about how the core in the M1, like a processor core, performance core is the world's
00:24:31 ◼ ► fastest CPU core. I thought that was a funny little detail for them to throw out there.
00:24:37 ◼ ► Yeah, I found that interesting. I'm going to be intrigued to see coverage from more PC led
00:24:49 ◼ ► outlets to see what, I want to see what that means. Fascinating. I really like Linus Tech Tips. It's a
00:24:55 ◼ ► YouTube channel that I've really gotten into over the last year or so ago because it's a whole other
00:25:00 ◼ ► world of technology that I enjoy. And this is their bread and butter, right? Speeds and feeds.
00:25:06 ◼ ► And I'm really intrigued to see what they make of this and what the benchmarks and stuff that they
00:25:14 ◼ ► do on these machines when they get them. And I want to see that kind of coverage from a market
00:25:23 ◼ ► that is more focused on what these CPUs are actually doing than we are. We have a base idea
00:25:30 ◼ ► of what's out there, but we don't really know it in depth. So I'm intrigued to see for there,
00:25:40 ◼ ► Apple frames things in interesting ways, right? Like they framed faster than the best selling
00:25:46 ◼ ► computer in the class, which I always thought was hilarious because that's not faster than the
00:25:50 ◼ ► fastest. Or faster than 98%. Well, that 2% could be a lot of machines. And it's 90% of PC sold,
00:25:59 ◼ ► which means that the impression I get anyway, unless they want to tell me otherwise, is that
00:26:04 ◼ ► they're using market size as a part of that. So, you know, if it's not 98% of all the PC models,
00:26:10 ◼ ► it's 98% of the PCs that were sold are models that are slower, which is again, Apple's job here is to
00:26:18 ◼ ► make them look as impressive as possible. And then it's our job to look at that and go, what does that
00:26:22 ◼ ► really mean? What's the actual like in phrase in, in, in framing it in a way that we care about,
00:26:28 ◼ ► how does that work as opposed to the way that they do it? Because obviously they're going to pick the
00:26:32 ◼ ► ways that they look best and they're going to use those. So we're going to have to see about that,
00:26:36 ◼ ► but it's still, you know, they're not making these claims without good reason. We'll just have to see
00:26:42 ◼ ► what, you know, what the details are when we get our hands on them. And you're right though,
00:26:47 ◼ ► the PC, seeing how PC people or people who, who view the PC industry as a whole, we're going back
00:26:53 ◼ ► to the pre Intel Mac days where it's a different ship architecture and it starts to look different.
00:26:59 ◼ ► And how do they judge it and what are they looking for? Because Macs and PCs are diverging again.
00:27:03 ◼ ► And, and so how are they going to read what Apple is doing now that it's not doing it on Intel?
00:27:10 ◼ ► Be that'll be interesting. Yeah. I mean, there are a bunch of other features that the M1 chip has,
00:27:16 ◼ ► of course, there was a big focus on the machine learning performance. This really isn't something
00:27:21 ◼ ► that I feel like I can quantify for myself. Uh, like I appreciate the Apple say they get better
00:27:28 ◼ ► at it. And I know that more and more of computing is being powered by this type of stuff, but it
00:27:34 ◼ ► doesn't mean the same to me as when you tell me CPU, GPU stuff like that. I can, you know,
00:27:40 ◼ ► like I can get my head around that. I know what that means. Um, but the, the machine learning
00:27:44 ◼ ► stuff, you know, it's not so much the integrated graphics are quite an incredible thing. It's at
00:27:51 ◼ ► eight cores. Um, it's the most powerful Apple's ever made. They call it a class of its own and
00:27:57 ◼ ► it's the fastest integrated graphics you can get, uh, is what they're saying. And there's a bunch of
00:28:02 ◼ ► stuff there about the, uh, the shared memory and, and which is quite complicated, but seems kind of
00:28:09 ◼ ► interesting, uh, about the ways where they could unified memory. So what is called unified memory,
00:28:15 ◼ ► uh, and apparently that can really help with the, with the graphics performance as well.
00:28:19 ◼ ► Right. We no longer with these systems, they don't have video Ram and then processor Ram. There's
00:28:24 ◼ ► just memory that's shared and it's an integrated system. The whole thing is integrated and Apple,
00:28:30 ◼ ► you know, built their own GPUs and they're pretty proud of them. So that'll be, and it's important.
00:28:36 ◼ ► We're going to get into the details here in a little bit, but like, it's also important to
00:28:40 ◼ ► remember this is the first drop of systems using Apple Silicon. These are the first M1 Max and the
00:28:46 ◼ ► first Apple Silicon Max. They fill very particular niches in the Mac product line and not others.
00:28:53 ◼ ► And I think it's instructive to realize what Apple picked for the first go and what they didn't pick.
00:29:00 ◼ ► And they're going to be people who have some hot takes when what they're going to say as well.
00:29:04 ◼ ► But what about this? But what about that? What about this? It doesn't do this. It doesn't do
00:29:09 ◼ ► that. And the answer is, well, you know, they only replaced three models and they didn't even really
00:29:14 ◼ ► replace them entirely. So like, it's not, it's the lowest in Mac book pro the low end laptop
00:29:22 ◼ ► and the Mac mini. So, you know, there's more of a story here about things like graphics, right?
00:29:28 ◼ ► That they didn't replace the higher end systems. Presumably that's something for 2021, but it's not
00:29:35 ◼ ► step one, that's step two or step three along this process of, uh, of having the whole product line
00:29:41 ◼ ► get overhauled and turn into M series processors. Well, on that note, so these machines support USB
00:29:48 ◼ ► four. They have USB four ports and USB four ports. This is very confusing. Uh, it's a USB C
00:29:56 ◼ ► shaped connector, but USB four has capabilities for Thunderbolt. It's now gone the other way around.
00:30:06 ◼ ► Yeah. It's like Thunderbolt and USB four. Thunderbolt is sort of USB four. USB four encompasses
00:30:14 ◼ ► Thunderbolt and you know, this is the future because everybody's so frustrated about USB C
00:30:25 ◼ ► share a connector with Thunderbolt three, the idea here is the next generation of devices. And this
00:30:30 ◼ ► is it right here is using this unified Thunderbolt is USB four. Thunderbolt is the Thunderbolt spec
00:30:37 ◼ ► is I believe the basis of USB four. And the idea is if you have something that's Thunderbolt slash
00:30:42 ◼ ► USB four, it's going to work with USB peripherals and with Thunderbolt peripherals. It will work
00:30:48 ◼ ► with all of them. So this mess of like, is this USB C or is this Thunderbolt? How do I need to work?
00:30:54 ◼ ► Like that's going to go away when we move to USB four. And that's what we have here. Every machine
00:31:00 ◼ ► that Apple has for sale, uh, with an M1 chip in it has just two ports. There are two ports.
00:31:10 ◼ ► Sorry, I meant two USB four ports. Right. Right. So, right. And my understanding is that there,
00:31:16 ◼ ► uh, the, the M1 has two Thunderbolts controllers in it, integrated into it. It just, it comes with
00:31:24 ◼ ► two Thunderbolt controllers. Um, and each one can control one port and then those ports can do things
00:31:30 ◼ ► like drive, you know, that the Apple studio display XDR and, you know, other, other ridiculous stuff
00:31:37 ◼ ► that you can do over those two ports. So for there to be more, right. So if we're going to go to a
00:31:42 ◼ ► four port, uh, model, like the 13 and 16 inch or the IMAX or whatever, it would appear that they
00:31:51 ◼ ► could not be M1 powered. It would be, it would appear there would need to be a different chip
00:31:56 ◼ ► variation as far as I can tell, which is probably why the two port 13 inch Mac book pro is what got
00:32:02 ◼ ► replaced. Yes. And the USB A's on the Mac mini, there's probably some, you know, PCIE bridge or
00:32:09 ◼ ► something that goes out to give USB A like to toss those in there. Um, but the, but yeah, the two
00:32:16 ◼ ► Thunderbolt controllers that are embedded in the M1 are the ones that are controlling those two
00:32:22 ◼ ► ports. And that's why you're seeing the family resemblance where all three of these machines have
00:32:28 ◼ ► those two Thunderbolt ports. Uh, secure enclave is now a part of the M1. So there's no longer
00:32:34 ◼ ► the need for a separate T1, T2 chip. Um, it says again, like the iOS, iPadOS devices, uh,
00:32:41 ◼ ► all of that stuff is now dealt with in the system on a chip itself. Um, and one thing I found
00:32:47 ◼ ► interesting is that, uh, during Craig's portion, he was talking about instant wake from sleep so
00:32:53 ◼ ► that these machines will wake instantly. And I was reminded that that was one of the big things
00:32:59 ◼ ► about the Mac book air, right? Was that Steve jobs, Steve jobs, as sort of story goes, uh,
00:33:06 ◼ ► turn on an iPad and was like, why point it to a Mac? It was like, why can't this do that? Um,
00:33:11 ◼ ► and you know, they got much better at it, but I'm intrigued. How much more instant is this instant
00:33:16 ◼ ► wake from sleep? I want to say that. Yeah. That's exactly my feeling is didn't we already get this?
00:33:22 ◼ ► Like, Oh, look, you turn on and it wakes, it wakes right up with the, I think when they introduced
00:33:26 ◼ ► the Mac book, right. They're like, Oh, look from the people who brought you the iPad and it wakes
00:33:30 ◼ ► up instantly and all that, but didn't, it didn't really write it like the screen came on. And then
00:33:34 ◼ ► you sort of waited as everything kind of shook its head and rubbed the sleep out of its eyes.
00:33:39 ◼ ► And finally it was ready for you to use it. And, you know, they've made a new claim of instant
00:33:43 ◼ ► wake from sleep with, uh, Craig Viderike getting down and on one knee and listening to some Barry
00:33:48 ◼ ► white and then waking up the laptop. Right. So we'll see. But, um, that would be great if that
00:33:54 ◼ ► was one of the things that they really focused on in a big Sur on M one max was, you know, getting
00:34:02 ◼ ► it to be more or less an instant wake because, you know, when you wake up your iPad, you don't sit
00:34:06 ◼ ► there and wait for everything to refresh generally. Right. It just is back awake and you continue to
00:34:18 ◼ ► Uh, they, I liked that they started using the line, which I expect they only use all the time
00:34:23 ◼ ► now when it comes to the Mac is this idea that Apple's have for years with the hardware and
00:34:27 ◼ ► software working all together, where this is like completely true with the Mac now, because
00:34:32 ◼ ► they build the chips now. So they're not just taking advantage of what they can from what Intel
00:34:37 ◼ ► have. They can really build with features in mind on both sides, which I think is great. Um, big Sur
00:34:43 ◼ ► is available on Thursday. Not 24 hours notice this time, but 48 hours developers. I think it was tail
00:34:50 ◼ ► end of last week, Apple started taking submissions, um, for big Sur anyway. So that was a very
00:34:57 ◼ ► different, very different scenario. And they will obviously have the developer transition kits this
00:35:02 ◼ ► summer in order to work on things. And so I think that'll be a much more orderly kind of,
00:35:06 ◼ ► kind of thing going on, but Thursday is the day for big Sur. Um, one of the things that I found
00:35:11 ◼ ► really interesting is when they were talking about Rosetta too, which is the, uh, the ability,
00:35:18 ◼ ► which is the function that will allow for applications that are not compiled to run on M1
00:35:24 ◼ ► that are previously Intel applications, uh, to be able to be, I don't want to say emulated,
00:35:29 ◼ ► but you know what I mean when I say that, right? Translated is what the code translation,
00:35:35 ◼ ► it sounds like what they do is when you launch them or when you download them from the Mac app
00:35:39 ◼ ► store, they, and we learned this at WWDC, they run Rosetta runs on them, I think via gatekeeper
00:35:47 ◼ ► and basically first launch or before it runs this translation process where it's looking at the code
00:35:54 ◼ ► and trying to build like the translation version of it. And then it runs that. And so I think
00:36:02 ◼ ► there's an initial hit that they don't want you to take, which is why it happens on download from
00:36:06 ◼ ► the Mac app store. And then that runs. So it's not quite emulation where they're running an Intel
00:36:12 ◼ ► binary and every command gets translated and, and, you know, and they're running it on a virtual
00:36:18 ◼ ► Intel chip. Instead, it's this sort of other thing where it's, you could, my understanding is you
00:36:22 ◼ ► could almost think of it as like a cached version. Like they're trying to cache as many of the
00:36:29 ◼ ► commands as possible so that they can run them most efficiently. But anyway, it's, it's Rosetta
00:36:34 ◼ ► 2.0. We'll have to see how it goes. I'm looking forward to finding it out because this is again,
00:36:39 ◼ ► one of those things where Apple's just going to say, Oh yeah, it's great. And then we all have to
00:36:43 ◼ ► determine for ourselves if it's great or not. But, but as with funny, as with the last two chip
00:36:50 ◼ ► transitions on the Mac there are these quirks about how your app is built. So like they said
00:36:57 ◼ ► in this presentation, if an app is built using metal, Apple's graphics frameworks, the frameworks
00:37:04 ◼ ► will be native. So you could have an app that's not native, an app that is an Intel app, but
00:37:10 ◼ ► if it's a game and it's using metal, it's calling on these frameworks. The frameworks are native.
00:37:21 ◼ ► rates on M1 because, you know, they're really not, you know, they're all the graphics stuff is
00:37:28 ◼ ► running natively because the graphics stuff isn't Intel it's metal. It's using Apple's frameworks,
00:37:33 ◼ ► any framework that you call that is native is native. So that's a, that's a good thing,
00:37:38 ◼ ► which is the opposite of what it was in the power PC transition from a 68,000 class ones,
00:37:49 ◼ ► And so you could have native code that ran slow. This is the, this is better. This is better. So
00:37:54 ◼ ► we'll, but we'll have to see the details, right? And all of us are going to have different apps
00:37:57 ◼ ► that we're going to be like, Oh man, this is the app I love. And it's, and it isn't out for,
00:38:02 ◼ ► for Apple Silicon yet. And what happens then? And is it good or is it bad? Um, you know, Apple
00:38:12 ◼ ► Yeah, because it's more than just game stuff. They're saying that because Apple Silicon,
00:38:19 ◼ ► A lot of applications will perform better in Rosetta because the chip is so much faster. So
00:38:26 ◼ ► that is, um, that's going to be a very different story to the original Rosetta, which was great,
00:38:42 ◼ ► uh, hinted at today, which is if you're upgrading from a system that's three years old or like our
00:38:49 ◼ ► friend Dan Morin, right? Dan has had a MacBook Air, non-retina that's been kicking around for
00:38:53 ◼ ► a long time and he's really wanted to buy a new one. But first it was the bad keyboard on the
00:38:59 ◼ ► retina MacBook Air. He wanted to wait. Then they got the good keyboard, but there were the rumors
00:39:02 ◼ ► about Apple Silicon and, uh, and the pandemic. And he's like, I'll, I'll wait. And today he bought a
00:39:08 ◼ ► MacBook Air, right? Not to steal Dan's thunder. Dan's not on this podcast, so I'm going to do it.
00:39:12 ◼ ► He bought a MacBook Air. That's great. Well for him, Rosetta two apps are going to run faster
00:39:21 ◼ ► than on his MacBook Air, right? Because that's an old MacBook Air. It's a little bit different if
00:39:25 ◼ ► you're coming from a one-year-old Mac than if you're coming from a four-year-old Mac or a
00:39:29 ◼ ► five-year-old Mac. So, so it's all in your perspective. Um, but we'll see, we'll see how it compares.
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00:41:36 ◼ ► Macintosh's today which was a big surprise. They you know on the whole they look the same.
00:41:49 ◼ ► just what they did with Intel as well it started with here is a bunch of Macs you know what these
00:41:54 ◼ ► things all look like but they're all different on the inside. Yeah like literally I think unless
00:41:59 ◼ ► you've got the serial number memorized if you look if I laid down two MacBook Airs two Macbook
00:42:06 ◼ ► Airs an M1 MacBook Air and the previous Retina MacBook Air on Intel and you could all you could
00:42:13 ◼ ► do was look at them and like even pick them up and and look at them no difference they are literally
00:42:20 ◼ ► the same and the same is true of the 13-inch two-port MacBook Pro they are no different.
00:42:31 ◼ ► Did you know that? Yeah yeah the there's in fact here's a funny thing already a conspiracy theory
00:42:39 ◼ ► that this opens up the possibility of a more powerful Mac Mini with the next generation.
00:42:48 ◼ ► Or just a small professional Macintosh. Maybe maybe but yeah the Mac Mini we'll get to it
00:42:58 ◼ ► I think there are a lot of questions about what they did with the Mac Mini that are it's it feels
00:43:05 ◼ ► like this has happened to the Mac Mini before where Apple sort of come in with a new version
00:43:10 ◼ ► that makes some people go well wait a second that's not as good in some ways as the old version was
00:43:15 ◼ ► but we should probably start with the laptops because those are those are most interesting
00:43:19 ◼ ► or in fact we should probably start with what these all have in common we've been speculating
00:43:24 ◼ ► on this show for a couple of years now about the potential future of Apple Silicon Macs and what
00:43:31 ◼ ► would your options be right like what are my buying options is it literally just MacBook Air
00:43:38 ◼ ► it comes as is next MacBook Pro comes as is next right and to a certain extent that's true but
00:43:46 ◼ ► there are we do have some options if you're buying a MacBook Air or MacBook Pro you or a Mac Mini you
00:43:52 ◼ ► have a few choices you have storage you have ram well although only 8 and 16 the unified memory yes
00:44:01 ◼ ► well so it's interesting you go to the product pages and they have two configurations for each
00:44:06 ◼ ► of them and it's this was confusing to me when I was going to the pages it was like I was not
00:44:11 ◼ ► expecting this and you kind of dig through them a bit and for the MacBook Pro and the Mac Mini
00:44:16 ◼ ► they are basically standard configurations they have different unified memory and storage between
00:44:23 ◼ ► them but the MacBook Air the cheaper one has a seven core GPU it's the only machine in the lineup
00:44:31 ◼ ► today that has that if you remember when we spoke about the a12z processor which gained an extra
00:44:41 ◼ ► core over the x in the 2020 iPad Pro I learned along with many of our listeners sure about a
00:44:47 ◼ ► thing called binning which is where as chips are made some are better and some are worse based on
00:44:52 ◼ ► how good the chips are made and there's like a yield thing you can get rid of them or you can
00:44:57 ◼ ► use them in different ways and what it seems like is being done here is that the good but less good
00:45:05 ◼ ► chips that have seven GPU cores that they can say yes these are great Apple are using those in the
00:45:11 ◼ ► very base model of the MacBook Air everything else has eight cores in the GPU yeah yeah it's a I mean
00:45:21 ◼ ► it's literally like well we got to put these ones that didn't pass the test somewhere we'll put them
00:45:24 ◼ ► in a low-end MacBook Air which is fine why not well not spoilers I think plenty of people will
00:45:31 ◼ ► look at that and think I do not care honestly the difference in GPU and graphics performance between
00:45:38 ◼ ► the 2018 Mac iPad Pro and the 2020 iPad Pro is so little as to I think make you feel okay if you
00:45:48 ◼ ► want to buy the low-end MacBook Air like yeah you know it's only got seven instead of eight GPU
00:45:53 ◼ ► cores it's fine and again probably what you're coming from which is like if it's any MacBook Air
00:45:58 ◼ ► in the past this thing just literally so it's not going to be an issue you know I think that from
00:46:05 ◼ ► the configuration this isn't the minimum I expected it's kind of in the middle like the
00:46:10 ◼ ► minimum level that I expected was these are your two options choose one right yeah I could have
00:46:16 ◼ ► seen or it was hey choose your storage which would have been the iPhone iPad right but there is a cut
00:46:23 ◼ ► you do get a couple of options in these M1 chips and I expect in the future there will be many more
00:46:31 ◼ ► options I expect so now to be clear as far as we can tell though like the memory is what it is this
00:46:36 ◼ ► is not a computer this is not a you know most there there are very few Macs left where you can install
00:46:42 ◼ ► more memory oh I checked this on the website if you if you in the configurator there's a little
00:46:49 ◼ ► i button if you press it it's like you cannot change the memory on this if you think you might
00:46:54 ◼ ► want more get more it's effectively paraphrasing yeah this is this is the world that at least we
00:47:00 ◼ ► are in right now with these Macs which is you can have eight or sixteen that's all you can have
00:47:07 ◼ ► those are your choices and once you've made it that's it these are close integrated system yeah
00:47:13 ◼ ► it's like we don't think about the fact that you know oh I would love to put more RAM in my iPhone
00:47:18 ◼ ► you can't do that you know there are there will be pros and cons of moving to Apple made chips and
00:47:23 ◼ ► this is going to be one of those things like I mean outside of maybe a Apple Silicon Mac Pro
00:47:32 ◼ ► maybe an iMac maybe but like especially in the laptops you're not going to be able to get in there
00:47:38 ◼ ► and right change anything around like this this is how they're going to be yeah I would say even
00:47:43 ◼ ► if we end up in a situation where you can choose 8 16 you know 32 64 I would not be surprised if
00:47:52 ◼ ► it's literally the same as it is right here which is congratulations that's the choice you made
00:47:57 ◼ ► you're buying you're literally buying a package that's got an amount of memory in it and that's it
00:48:03 ◼ ► that's not a thing that I know that on the way that we used to make computers you could change
00:48:07 ◼ ► that but not the way we make computers now right like I think that's where they're headed storage
00:48:16 ◼ ► MacBook Air and the and the macbook pro you know you can go up to a terabyte or two terabytes like
00:48:20 ◼ ► you can do all of that but the the memory thing is a very limited selection in fact to be honest
00:48:25 ◼ ► I'm a little surprised and kind of impressed that they even give you the option I was kind of
00:48:30 ◼ ► assuming the MacBook Air would just be like no 8 that's it you want you want 16 get the MacBook Pro
00:48:38 ◼ ► but they those options are there but they're very limited this is so I guess it's in between we we
00:48:45 ◼ ► had mused about the idea of it will apple just have these very segmented models and each model
00:48:52 ◼ ► has its own set of specs and that's it and it's not quite that but it's very close to that and
00:48:57 ◼ ► also notice these are new computers that have no clock speeds attributed to them in any way
00:49:04 ◼ ► right nope just all m1 it's all m1 yeah because there's no comparisons to be made so why would
00:49:12 ◼ ► they give you them and in fact we're going to get into the MacBook Pro here in a second but when we
00:49:16 ◼ ► talk about the and the air but like one of the things that apple talked about was the cooling
00:49:21 ◼ ► system so the MacBook Air has no fan yeah it's still got vents it's got all the like again you
00:49:25 ◼ ► can't tell it apart if you just look at it but there's no fan in there anymore there used to be
00:49:29 ◼ ► one if you didn't know yes yes oh yes and if you if you worked your MacBook Air hard you would hear
00:49:34 ◼ ► it blowing right the MacBook Pro still has a fan and what apple said in the event if you missed it
00:49:41 ◼ ► is that you get the impression that they both have exactly the same performance the MacBook Air and
00:49:47 ◼ ► the MacBook Pro because they're both using the m1 the difference is in cooling so for like a quick
00:49:56 ◼ ► spike in performance doing something that requires a big processor burst for a short period of time
00:50:02 ◼ ► they'll both perform the same however if you're let's say encoding video some doing some other
00:50:13 ◼ ► of time 20 minutes 15 minutes whatever the MacBook Air is going to have to throttle itself because it
00:50:19 ◼ ► doesn't have a fan it's going to have to it's going to slow everything down to stay cool and
00:50:24 ◼ ► the MacBook Pro because it's got a fan won't and that's and so it's it's a case where the MacBook
00:50:30 ◼ ► Pro for certain kinds of tasks is going to be faster but it's not really about clock speed
00:50:37 ◼ ► as we normally discover when we talk about chips right it's it's about thermal throttling and
00:50:45 ◼ ► if you remember the first wave of touch bar macbook pros back in the day there was this whole
00:50:51 ◼ ► thing about how they they seem to be slower than expected because of thermal throttling and like
00:50:57 ◼ ► this has been an issue in computers for a while now but i think this is a fascinating example where
00:51:02 ◼ ► the pro and the air have the same chip it's the same chip unless you get the the bend one with
00:51:08 ◼ ► the seven GPUs but like if you get the hgpu model it's literally the same the difference in
00:51:12 ◼ ► performance is entirely attributable to the thermal envelope to the fact that the the air is going to
00:51:17 ◼ ► have to cool itself down by uh slowing down whereas the pro won't because it'll just blow that fan
00:51:24 ◼ ► so to dig into the computers a little more i'll give some highlights and we can talk about them
00:51:31 ◼ ► so the macbook air is 3.5 times faster than the machine that it's replacing with five times
00:51:38 ◼ ► graphic performance 15 hours web browsing battery life they called out two times longer for video
00:51:47 ◼ ► conferencing which was a good statistic but i will follow it up with a less good statistic for video
00:51:52 ◼ ► conferencing improved image signal processor for better video but no new camera these machines do
00:51:58 ◼ ► not have performance improvements to the actual cameras they're not going up so i think they're
00:52:03 ◼ ► not even going up to 1080 cameras but apple are saying that there are improvements there there's
00:52:08 ◼ ► still 720p cameras also my understanding is that that's a webx video conferencing test so it's
00:52:14 ◼ ► still out there we can all test it out with zoom and see how that goes but um but yeah the webcam
00:52:20 ◼ ► didn't change they they are using an isp which they've been talking about for a while now that
00:52:24 ◼ ► you know if you use the iphone esque image signal processor you can make the lousy webcam look
00:52:30 ◼ ► better still lousy webcam though and that's disappointing that but again i think i think
00:52:36 ◼ ► there was probably no way for them to do it without changing the shell right and they didn't
00:52:40 ◼ ► change the shell these are the same laptop shells as they were before and i think maybe that's the
00:52:46 ◼ ► reason why um because surely apple is well aware that that webcam isn't very good and i would
00:52:52 ◼ ► imagine that a new generation of laptop would probably have a better webcam in them but these
00:52:58 ◼ ► aren't that and they don't so that's that's disappointing but the bat but the battery the
00:53:03 ◼ ► battery i mean this was one of your bat your draft picks and it's right on like we we've been saying
00:53:07 ◼ ► whoa what will an arm mac look like and what will the battery life look like and we've got it right
00:53:13 ◼ ► which is we're talking about like in many cases two three four times faster and they're quoting
00:53:19 ◼ ► battery life that in some cases is is twice as long as it was before or it's or or half again
00:53:25 ◼ ► as long like these are these are claims you said a lot of battery life improvement like with sort
00:53:31 ◼ ► of your draft pick we left it as just like suffice it to say it'll be big i think what we said is
00:53:36 ◼ ► we'll know when we see it and it's like yeah and and i had that moment where they were talking i
00:53:40 ◼ ► was like oh battery life they haven't really and then it's like oh okay yep that's it that's
00:53:44 ◼ ► substantial substantial battery life improvements for sure because as i think we've been talking
00:53:49 ◼ ► about for so long especially when it comes to battery life it's like do not do this like if you
00:53:56 ◼ ► cannot achieve these kinds of numbers like this is the thing this is what people care about right
00:54:02 ◼ ► you know most most users i think even sometimes me to a point there isn't so much that i care about
00:54:09 ◼ ► with my gpu performance right what in my laptop what i want is the most battery i can get that's
00:54:18 ◼ ► what i want and that is what they have done with these machines it seems i do wonder if at some
00:54:25 ◼ ► point you know because they didn't they didn't announce much to much to a certain co-host of
00:54:29 ◼ ► yours uh sadness a low power mode in mac os but i would not be surprised if we get there and this
00:54:36 ◼ ► is sort of like how marco armand runs that app that that changes the the chip profile so that he
00:54:43 ◼ ► can eke out as much battery life as possible on his macbook pro i feel like once you've got
00:54:48 ◼ ► maxed with four efficiency cores and four performance cores you are a software update away
00:54:55 ◼ ► from letting the user say please just maximize battery life at the at the cost of performance
00:55:01 ◼ ► right the system controller is going to try to do that but i could also see that you know with this
00:55:06 ◼ ► hardware you could definitely make that a user option it's just like please please please never
00:55:10 ◼ ► turn on the high performance course just yeah i want this to run like last year's macbook air
00:55:15 ◼ ► please right like i just want because i but i want it to last for 24 hours because that's
00:55:20 ◼ ► you know that's a good point right just look i i loved my network here it was great let me run
00:55:26 ◼ ► this thing for a week right well because the computer like the system controller is going to
00:55:32 ◼ ► know oh you're doing a big job you're doing xcode compile whatever we're gonna we're gonna ramp up
00:55:38 ◼ ► the system controller doesn't know you just got on an airplane yeah and are going across an ocean
00:55:45 ◼ ► and well you might have and you might have charge but in some cases you don't have charge or the
00:55:49 ◼ ► ability to charge you're somewhere where you don't have the ability to charge you know that so you
00:55:53 ◼ ► could be able to i i just it's an interesting direction the mac has never had something like
00:55:57 ◼ ► this before right these these two banks of course so there's a lot of interesting stuff that could
00:56:01 ◼ ► potentially happen working on a feature like that but they didn't need it to be today because
00:56:05 ◼ ► they've done such incredible gains in the battery like don't don't blow it all at once exactly
00:56:10 ◼ ► exactly and they did have to get an entire operating system running on a new chip architecture
00:56:15 ◼ ► this summer so yeah p3 color display has come to the macbook air so you'll get a better display
00:56:21 ◼ ► nice gray silver gold sorry jason no green or blue boring boring where's the blue macbook air
00:56:35 ◼ ► yep pretty good pretty good they did the uh make them all look the same and cost the same with a
00:56:41 ◼ ► couple quirks here and there but i think remember the 999 thing is what kept the old macbook air
00:56:48 ◼ ► around for so long because they couldn't do a retina macbook air for 999 they couldn't do it
00:56:54 ◼ ► and they finally have gotten it there and they weren't gonna abandon that price point because
00:56:59 ◼ ► that's that's why it's the best selling mac that they make it's because it's 999 so they hit it and
00:57:06 ◼ ► good for them they they need to hold that down at 999 so i was very intrigued i was like oh yes
00:57:12 ◼ ► i like the sound of this machine but then i got to see a macbook pro and i was like aha
00:57:19 ◼ ► i want you more uh 2.8 times faster doesn't get the same kind of gains because the macbook pro
00:57:25 ◼ ► 13 pack pro is obviously more powerful but it's still good gains three times faster basically five
00:57:31 ◼ ► times faster graphics but this is where again we've got we've got an interesting this is
00:57:34 ◼ ► interesting i don't know why is this way but i guess it's just a bigger battery 17 hours
00:57:39 ◼ ► web browsing battery is the 10 hour increase in battery life this is the one that doubled so like
00:57:46 ◼ ► you can see it on apple's um compare your mac thing you've gone from typical 10 hour battery
00:57:51 ◼ ► life to typical 20 hour battery life yeah from best best mac battery life ever it's pretty good
00:57:58 ◼ ► it's pretty good right and little again this is a heavier larger laptop it's not it's still
00:58:08 ◼ ► yep but uh that that weight it's a lot of battery a lot of battery in there and this one's 1299
00:58:16 ◼ ► uh yeah this machine like you know macbook pros they're great right they're nice and powerful
00:58:23 ◼ ► uh people like the 13 like the 16 um people really like that new 13 right when we thought we were
00:58:29 ◼ ► gonna get 14 or whatever but the 13 came out people really liked it nice and powerful uh
00:58:35 ◼ ► improved on the previous generation this machine is gonna make a lot of people really really happy
00:58:43 ◼ ► yeah so conspiracy corner here oh yes please first off it is replacing the low-end two-port
00:58:50 ◼ ► 13-inch macbook pro yep that's the word slots in remember there's still the four-port 13-inch and
00:58:57 ◼ ► you can still buy that so yes and you can and again not a surprise apple's going to keep some
00:59:02 ◼ ► intel max around for a while because there's going to be some buyers who who need intel max for their
00:59:08 ◼ ► fleet of computers and they'll keep those around for a while and it's fine they do that all the
00:59:12 ◼ ► time but first off i will wager that this 13-inch macbook pro will be faster than the 16-inch macbook
00:59:21 ◼ ► pro the the high-end macbook pro will be slower than the low-end macbook pro which is fun this
00:59:26 ◼ ► is just to think about what a transition is like seems like if it that wasn't the case i would be
00:59:31 ◼ ► more surprised i think right yeah and then um conspiracy corner really is um what happens to
00:59:39 ◼ ► the rest of these systems because obviously you've got this two-port 13-inch and we talked about how
00:59:48 ◼ ► the the m1 is has the two thunderbolt controllers so presumably we talk about the other shoe dropping
00:59:57 ◼ ► with like there's got to be an ipad pro coming obviously there's got to be an m1 something coming
01:00:06 ◼ ► next year maybe probably that is going to enable that four-port model on the 13 and the 16 and
01:00:17 ◼ ► a little extra bonus conspiracy this may be where that 14-inch macbook pro rumor is the yeah the
01:00:24 ◼ ► two-port 13 and the four-port 13 which has been and remember it was the macbook escape before it
01:00:29 ◼ ► got the touch bar the idea that apple for a few years now has had two 13-inch macbook pros which
01:00:33 ◼ ► is just dumb and confusing well what if the four-port model running on apple silicon is a 14
01:00:44 ◼ ► and not a 13 and then you've got 13 14 16 for macbook pros and you have three models which
01:00:51 ◼ ► you already have three models it's just two of them are the same size screen so maybe that's what
01:00:55 ◼ ► we'll see next year i could imagine that machine is the best part of a year away it could be it
01:01:02 ◼ ► could be um we'll we'll see i mean who knows what pace they're going to take here um now that they've
01:01:07 ◼ ► got these laptops out there they said two years again today they could they could overshoot that
01:01:14 ◼ ► i mean last time in the intel transition they happened it all happened faster than they they
01:01:23 ◼ ► roll the rest of the laptops over um sometime next year but based on what we know about the m1
01:01:31 ◼ ► it does mean presumably another variant chip and and you know when is that going to be ready and
01:01:38 ◼ ► how are they going to roll that out because one of the things i'm sure is going to hurt a lot of
01:01:42 ◼ ► people is 16 gigabytes of ram maximum in this machine exactly and this this is something that
01:01:48 ◼ ► is also true of the mac mini which used to go up to 64 right and but this model only goes up to 16
01:01:54 ◼ ► that's the that's part of the the missing piece here right is this is the low-end model
01:02:00 ◼ ► and even though it's a macbook pro it's the low-end model it's the two port and it's maxing out
01:02:04 ◼ ► right now at 16 so presumably an m1x or whatever you want to call it a variant that has more ports
01:02:19 ◼ ► that's not what we got today those those systems and those slots remain you know that's that's a
01:02:26 ◼ ► a test to be taken at another time in 2021 like we'll get there but until then it's just it's
01:02:34 ◼ ► going to be an object of speculation obviously but that would seem to make a lot of sense that
01:02:39 ◼ ► more ram more ports all these things are the there's something that you put in a higher-end
01:02:45 ◼ ► product and they're starting out with the m1 and the m1 is the base right and then they'll
01:02:51 ◼ ► presumably start to build a stack of m1 related processors in 2021 and when we look at it this way
01:03:02 ◼ ► we look at it as this m1 and we can draw a line between you know all the macbook as the base level
01:03:08 ◼ ► macbook pro it makes sense that the mac mini would slot into that uh kind of product offering even
01:03:17 ◼ ► though i don't think any of us were like me and you were not expecting a mac mini today it just
01:03:23 ◼ ► wasn't really something i'd thought we would see although on one level it kind of makes sense
01:03:31 ◼ ► because of the the dtk right and like the idea of it doesn't require anything like obviously because
01:03:40 ◼ ► the mac mini they already did this with an ipad chip so why don't they do it with the with the new
01:03:45 ◼ ► m1 and stick it in there it wasn't rumored um but you know it it makes it makes sense it makes a
01:03:53 ◼ ► lot of sense now that we know what we know about the m1 chip especially right where it's like oh
01:03:59 ◼ ► okay right like i see why you would do this but it does it does take a step back like okay so
01:04:08 ◼ ► the mac is a weird one right because the price went down the base price went down to 699
01:04:13 ◼ ► and if you remember the mac mini originated as a 499 mac and then the next year went up to 599
01:04:18 ◼ ► and got intel but 699 is down from the 799 that the old model started at so that that's good i
01:04:26 ◼ ► really like that the mac mini is a little bit cheaper but as has been pointed out by a bunch
01:04:31 ◼ ► of people our friend christina warren did it you know where does this thing go like if you're a
01:04:36 ◼ ► high-end person you're using a mac mini and you want to have it in a you know wherever you're
01:04:41 ◼ ► going to use it you want to load up with ram and all that like it you can't load it up with ram it
01:04:46 ◼ ► is a 16 gig ram max system uh it's faster than the old mac mini there's no doubt about it but it's
01:04:53 ◼ ► also got this ram limitation so it's sort of a low-end mac mini that is faster but it's also kind
01:04:59 ◼ ► of limited in that way i have to imagine that there will be a new mac mini at some point in the
01:05:06 ◼ ► next couple of years in fact i think now that apple's making the chips maybe it's easier for
01:05:10 ◼ ► apple to update the mac mini but um and so maybe it'll happen more often but um but yes if you're
01:05:17 ◼ ► somebody who like uses the mac mini in a very particular way where you want a lot of ram in it
01:05:24 ◼ ► this one's not going to do it for you there are also a lot of people who don't use the mac mini
01:05:29 ◼ ► that way and use it in all sorts of other contexts where this is going to be just fine plus it's
01:05:34 ◼ ► 100 less to get started which was one of the big criticisms of the old mac mini so i think it's
01:05:38 ◼ ► like apple give an apple takeaway happening here but um i love the mac mini and i am uh kind of
01:05:47 ◼ ► thrilled that they have these uh on day one for apple silicon i also have to wonder if maybe this
01:05:53 ◼ ► is what everybody who every developer who got an apple silicon uh test system is going to get as a
01:05:59 ◼ ► replacement for that right like can they can they turn theirs in and get this back or something like
01:06:04 ◼ ► that we'll see uh this is three times faster in performance six times faster in graphics
01:06:10 ◼ ► and is a hundred dollars less than the machine it replaces 699. yeah our um another comment from
01:06:17 ◼ ► twitter that i liked uh steve trotton smith um seemed thrilled about this because he said you
01:06:23 ◼ ► know with bumped ram and a terabyte of ssd um he's he can pay about half of what he needed before
01:06:30 ◼ ► to price up a competitive model to replace his iMac um he says 16 gigs of ram is a bummer but
01:06:36 ◼ ► with the increased io i'm not worried apple should have performance per dollar charts so like i mean
01:06:44 ◼ ► what he said is the the power of the m1 in affordable max cannot be emphasized enough and
01:06:50 ◼ ► i think he's right about that so it's it's in the eye of the beholder but i think there's a lot of
01:06:54 ◼ ► things to be excited about about that mac mini while understanding that for some people they're
01:06:58 ◼ ► they're gonna look at its limitations and be sad because they there are people who spec up the
01:07:04 ◼ ► mac mini an awful lot and there's only so high up you can spec this first apple silicon mac mini
01:07:09 ◼ ► yeah and here's my thinking on that patience you don't have to i mean i know look we all want one
01:07:17 ◼ ► right but we all want one because we want to see what this thing is like um we just don't have that
01:07:24 ◼ ► option yet i believe it will come and the reason i believe it will come is because you can still
01:07:30 ◼ ► buy the old one right uh that's there for a reason apple clearly knows people want more from these
01:07:36 ◼ ► machines so they will continue to allow you to get them until they have a bigger offering and the
01:07:45 ◼ ► reason that i feel confident in this is you can't buy an intel uh macbook air because the macbook air
01:07:54 ◼ ► has been fully replaced right the capability right you can buy an intel macbook pro and you can buy
01:08:00 ◼ ► an intel mac mini so this is i think a very clear signal that apple are like look we know that there
01:08:06 ◼ ► will be some of our customers who need more than what the m1 can provide from an expansion
01:08:11 ◼ ► perspective right from like from what the ram can do that kind of stuff or from how many ports you
01:08:17 ◼ ► might want to have on the machine uh just wait right for that but for everybody else you're
01:08:23 ◼ ► going to get a lot out of these machines so that is why these various intel models remain available
01:08:30 ◼ ► but yeah the mac mini was the biggest surprise for me i was expecting macbook pro i was expecting
01:08:38 ◼ ► a consumer laptop whether it's the macbook or the macbook air i wasn't expecting the mac mini it just
01:08:44 ◼ ► just you know i just i just thought this was going to be a laptop event um i i wasn't expecting to see
01:08:51 ◼ ► anything other than these right like and i'm not surprised that we didn't see the imac for example
01:08:56 ◼ ► because i think because i probably you would agree with me the imac will most likely to be the first
01:09:04 ◼ ► new mac i think the smaller imac that has been untouched for years and is sad is crying out for
01:09:15 ◼ ► a rethink and i would be i would probably put money down that early next year first half of next year
01:09:25 ◼ ► the that that smaller imac anyway is going to get an m m series treatment and not look like the old
01:09:32 ◼ ► imac but we'll see and it'll be interesting to see if it's m1 in that one first right i mean that's
01:09:39 ◼ ► that's the question right is is uh are we going to see the next wave be m1 variants with more ports
01:09:45 ◼ ► and stuff or are we going to see more m1 based machines or both maybe maybe both who knows we've
01:09:53 ◼ ► never seen apple roll out a mac product line with their own chips before this is our first time and
01:09:58 ◼ ► they've got lots of choices to make that they made obviously years ago but now we get to see what
01:10:02 ◼ ► those choices are so it's going to be very interesting to watch the next couple of years
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01:12:14 ◼ ► of the three that we've had so the september october november the event and overall i have
01:12:23 ◼ ► left this event feeling the most excited excited about the products that they should love i'm
01:12:28 ◼ ► excited about what we have now and i'm very excited for the potential of these products
01:12:34 ◼ ► in a way that the other events not that they've left me lacking but that there's less to grow
01:12:40 ◼ ► immediately obvious to me than what i see in the apple silicon mac chips so i don't know how you
01:12:48 ◼ ► feel but that's kind of where i am with uh this event today well yeah this in terms of the three
01:12:56 ◼ ► fall events what we got is a lot of incremental improvement right it's the latest apple watch it's
01:13:02 ◼ ► a little better than the last one the latest ipad air it's better than the last one a little more
01:13:07 ◼ ► like an ipad pro the latest iphone models they're better than the last one i think the most
01:13:11 ◼ ► interesting things about that are there's now a little one and that's very exciting um but it's
01:13:17 ◼ ► still just an incremental iphone update and then on the max side it's these max that look like their
01:13:25 ◼ ► previous versions and therefore shouldn't be exciting and from a design standpoint it's not
01:13:31 ◼ ► exciting at all but it's an entirely new platform and these max are going to behave like no max
01:13:38 ◼ ► before them and these huge speed benefits and huge battery benefits and a whole chip transition
01:13:46 ◼ ► that's happening and it's the start of a two-year process where every mac is going to get turned over
01:13:51 ◼ ► like i just it is to me as well the most exciting thing that apple has done all fall this is the
01:13:57 ◼ ► story of 2020 for apple i think is announced a chip transition and started to make it happen like
01:14:03 ◼ ► those are the big moments for apple remember in the spring you know we got the ipad pro that wasn't
01:14:08 ◼ ► really new and like this is the big one i think this is the the number one event of 2020 for apple
01:14:15 ◼ ► other than you know the global event of dealing with the pandemic and how do you do that but in
01:14:19 ◼ ► terms of like their product releases and their strategies and all of that i think it would be
01:14:23 ◼ ► hard to look at this and not say this was their big move is going to their own chips and shipping
01:14:29 ◼ ► a new version of mac os that supports the new chip design and and starting the migration you've got
01:14:37 ◼ ► to imagine that there is as well for apple themselves like a feeling of monumental achievement
01:14:43 ◼ ► here right like a history thing you know like you know we we are the mac company that's where we've
01:14:50 ◼ ► come from and then we've had these great successes with these products that we've made that we have
01:14:56 ◼ ► controlled the whole thing on even more than we've ever controlled products in the past and now
01:15:02 ◼ ► they're able to take those successes and bring them back to the mac and take the mac further by
01:15:07 ◼ ► fully owning it and i imagine that that makes this similarly when you say it's a big event for apple
01:15:13 ◼ ► i'm sure for many of the people that have worked on this stuff it is important and i think as an
01:15:18 ◼ ► observer and as a fan it's one of the things that i am so excited about for this is because
01:15:24 ◼ ► show me what you can do you know and that excites me because even step one what we have seen today
01:15:40 ◼ ► results that they have shown today you know like the doubling tripling uh of performance
01:15:48 ◼ ► and doubling battery life i didn't think we'd get both of those you know i thought there was
01:15:55 ◼ ► going to be a little bit more uh tuning of that right like hey this is faster and gets more battery
01:16:03 ◼ ► i didn't think it was going to be like you want all of it again we'll just give you it all again
01:16:07 ◼ ► it's like you have two computers now right like it's it really is like i i was very i'm very
01:16:13 ◼ ► excited about it i really really am i think they blew me away today yeah you say show me what you
01:16:19 ◼ ► can do i think that that is um a big part of this is apple obviously has a huge amount of pride in
01:16:26 ◼ ► the quality of their chip design team and i have to think that within the chip team there's probably
01:16:34 ◼ ► been a let me add it kind of attitude toward the mac looking at what intel is doing which is has
01:16:42 ◼ ► been not much and thinking like we could do better than them you know we are doing better than them
01:16:47 ◼ ► let us do better than them on the back too and and you know this is their chance to shine this
01:16:53 ◼ ► is their chance to show our way is better our way is best here and the mac is going to be improved
01:17:00 ◼ ► because apple can control that part which is you know such a dramatic change from the intel
01:17:05 ◼ ► transition where it was very much like the apple ibm motorola alliance it kind of foundered with
01:17:09 ◼ ► power pc and the apple had to go to intel for help here it's apple taking the ball back from intel
01:17:15 ◼ ► and saying no no we make our own chips now and they're better than your chips and that's a huge
01:17:27 ◼ ► but in the long run it's also apple controlling all of the pieces and able to plan what it wants
01:17:34 ◼ ► its computers to be based on apple's priorities and not based on intel's priorities and you saw
01:17:40 ◼ ► them straining with something like the t2 where they're like can we just put our own chip in there
01:17:44 ◼ ► to do a bunch of this stupid stuff instead of relying on anyone else and then and now they've
01:17:50 ◼ ► got the whole thing but if you think about what they when they talk about ipad product strategy or
01:17:57 ◼ ► iphone product strategy and they talk about how they build the neural engine and they build the
01:18:03 ◼ ► image signal processor for the for the photography and the iphone like they're able to on their um on
01:18:10 ◼ ► on their charts of like where are we going with this product and what do we need in terms of
01:18:15 ◼ ► software and hardware and processor functionality they're able to plan it out and take the product
01:18:20 ◼ ► where they want it to go and the mac they couldn't because in the end they had to get apart from
01:18:26 ◼ ► intel and probably intel told them it would be available on x date and it turned out to be later
01:18:33 ◼ ► like always later and that's gone like they know when they're available they know what they want
01:18:38 ◼ ► to do and so the max are going to be faster and they're going to have better battery life but what
01:18:44 ◼ ► i think is really exciting is the next step they take which they didn't take today which is um
01:18:50 ◼ ► adding things to the mac that apple thinks are important and would make a good experience for
01:18:57 ◼ ► a computer and they don't have to worry about anybody else being involved in that they can just
01:19:02 ◼ ► prioritize that themselves and that will probably involve some things that it believes in general
01:19:07 ◼ ► are important and that they're pushing on the ipad and the iphone and the mac and probably some
01:19:12 ◼ ► things that are specifically for the mac because you know they do have to do some things that are
01:19:18 ◼ ► a little different on a mac than on an ipad or an iphone so the whole thing is yeah super exciting
01:19:23 ◼ ► very uh very important day in the history of the mac very important but it's also day one of a
01:19:32 ◼ ► process that will probably take you know five or six hundred days to complete so there's more to
01:19:38 ◼ ► come like i'm not trying to get soppy uh but there's something important to me here that
01:19:43 ◼ ► like this is my first full processor transition i came to the mac for intel now there you go now i
01:19:51 ◼ ► get to say goodbye and there's something kind of for me personally there's something nice in that
01:19:57 ◼ ► um that like you know my first mac was the first intel iMac that was my first mac and i mean that
01:20:06 ◼ ► was a long time ago 15 years ago or something there are thereabouts and there's just something
01:20:13 ◼ ► nice now where i can move on to the next transition and you know it makes me it just feels good i just
01:20:23 ◼ ► i like that yeah yeah it's coming up 15 years it'll be 15 years in january so it's been a long
01:20:28 ◼ ► time now i was 18 years old that was a big like somebody posted a couple of mac world covers from
01:20:34 ◼ ► that period and i was like yep i remember making those and here we are again but this is um and
01:20:41 ◼ ► these transitions are exciting you right if you're a developer it can be really frustrating and a lot
01:20:46 ◼ ► of hard work but as a user um if you need to stay behind you need to stay behind but if you get the
01:20:53 ◼ ► chance to step forward and try something new that can be really exciting and you get the benefit
01:20:57 ◼ ► like people are going to buy macbook airs for 9.99 not knowing anything about apple silicon right
01:21:01 ◼ ► that's the funny thing is this this winter people are going to buy macbook airs for 9.99 and they're
01:21:06 ◼ ► going to get something that is twice as fast as the computer that they had or that they would have
01:21:11 ◼ ► bought if they had bought one last month that's pretty cool that's pretty great i would hope
01:21:18 ◼ ► that you will uh have some of these products to review i hope so but are there any of them just
01:21:26 ◼ ► on the face of what we've seen today that you may want to buy oh i already bought one oh you did you
01:21:33 ◼ ► see i did this you know why because okay usually like so i come connected we just start this
01:21:38 ◼ ► conversation with what did we buy and usually it's pointless having this conversation with you
01:21:43 ◼ ► because you tend not to buy things like you will try them out i don't need to buy one right now
01:21:47 ◼ ► right because presumably i'm going to get them to try out so you usually you don't have to send them
01:21:52 ◼ ► back so by then i'll buy one and all of that this is a surprise to me well i mean i could have waited
01:22:00 ◼ ► and i could still cancel it i suppose but i decided a little while ago that i needed a macbook air
01:22:07 ◼ ► an apple for so a few things first off um mac product loans when they happen are for a short
01:22:16 ◼ ► period of time you can hold you can hang on to an iphone for a while if you need it and you want to
01:22:21 ◼ ► test it and you want to test it against other iphones and stuff like that they'll let you hang
01:22:25 ◼ ► on to that for a while they will want it back eventually but you can hold on to that for a while
01:22:28 ◼ ► ipads you can hold on to it for a while max you can't they will they will want them back and so
01:22:34 ◼ ► i know that i want to have an apple silicon mac in my house to write about this stuff and i'm going
01:22:41 ◼ ► to have to give those back after a few weeks right so i know i want one and i know i know i want one
01:22:46 ◼ ► this fall and on top of that i have um spent the last month or so in a few cases where i've really
01:22:55 ◼ ► wanted to work on something not at my desk and uh it's something that only works on a mac and i love
01:23:03 ◼ ► my ipad and i use my ipad in the rest of the house and if i were to travel which i haven't um i would
01:23:10 ◼ ► use my ipad as much as i could but um there is some stuff that i would like to do elsewhere that
01:23:16 ◼ ► i can't do on my ipad because the app doesn't exist on the ipad and uh it made me think okay
01:23:22 ◼ ► well now i've got two reasons that i kind of wish i had a macbook air and then the third reason is
01:23:27 ◼ ► i think about me going to new york back in the day i remember i'd fly to new york and then we'd
01:23:32 ◼ ► do an interview or i'd do an interview with somebody and then we put it together and we
01:23:36 ◼ ► do the show and all those things and i would have to bring a mac for that because it was too many
01:23:40 ◼ ► too many pieces to leave it to just an ipad and i thought okay my macbook air is so old at this
01:23:45 ◼ ► point that i don't think i i trust it for stuff like that anymore it's an old 11-inch macbook air
01:23:51 ◼ ► so um for all of these reasons i thought i should get another macbook air and maybe somebody else in
01:23:58 ◼ ► my house maybe maybe lauren gets it eventually um to replace her macbook air because she has a first
01:24:04 ◼ ► generation retina macbook air but i could i could put it to use plus i don't want to be writing about
01:24:12 ◼ ► the mac without having an apple silicon mac in my house right and and i i'll have one presumably a
01:24:19 ◼ ► review unit for a while right but not that long and then what and then i really need to have one
01:24:26 ◼ ► so these are my these are my reasonings for doing it and the reason i chose a macbook air is because
01:24:31 ◼ ► i want it to be a laptop it doesn't need to be a macbook pro um so yeah i bought a macbook air i
01:24:37 ◼ ► bought a uh seven gpu core but upgraded to 512 storage and 16 gigs of memory uh macbook air and
01:24:46 ◼ ► the order is in so it'll get here in a couple weeks i guess i ordered two laptops today
01:24:54 ◼ ► you win you got me so i see your laptop and raise you a laptop okay so uh adena has been using
01:25:10 ◼ ► if it was a car it's will sort of fallen off by now like at this point it needs to stay plugged in
01:25:19 ◼ ► she cannot use it on battery because the battery drains so fast and it was unfortunately she was
01:25:25 ◼ ► caught in that cycle of having a husband who pays too much attention to computers and telling her no
01:25:32 ◼ ► no there's you don't want this computer right like we've all been there you don't want this macbook
01:25:38 ◼ ► because the keyboard's bad and you and she's used it and hates the keyboard right so it was also her
01:25:43 ◼ ► decision as well she didn't want their keyboard and then they finally replaced the keyboard but
01:25:48 ◼ ► it was like yeah but i know they're gonna do something it's just around the corner right and
01:25:56 ◼ ► apple silicon has been just around the corner for unfortunately a little bit too long um so we uh
01:26:03 ◼ ► went with the seven core gpu model because if you're coming from this is what i was talking
01:26:11 ◼ ► about earlier if you're coming from a 2013 macbook pro you do not need the eight core gpu uh you're
01:26:19 ◼ ► probably good and uh we increased the storage i think we did 16 gigabytes of ram and the 512
01:26:28 ◼ ► gigabyte ssd that's coming uh at the end of the month basically and then i ordered for myself a
01:26:36 ◼ ► 13 inch macbook pro uh and i went with 16 gigabytes of ram and a terabyte ssd and it's coming next
01:26:45 ◼ ► week which is interesting because even though it was built to order i think that that is a
01:26:50 ◼ ► build to order specification that apple probably assumes it's going to get enough of that when i
01:27:08 ◼ ► well okay i have a little bit of a secret over the last few months i have been doing the vast
01:27:16 ◼ ► majority of my work on a mac because in my studio setup it's just easier for me to work on a mac
01:27:27 ◼ ► because i'm still actually pretty far away from getting the full setup that i want for an ipad
01:27:33 ◼ ► workstation um just because i've you know part of it is actually the fault of these max because
01:27:42 ◼ ► i have what i've had this idea in my mind for how i'd have my studio set up but i was waiting for
01:27:48 ◼ ► a apple silicon mac before i could make the setup exactly the way that i want but now i've been doing
01:27:54 ◼ ► it for so long that like when i'm at the studio i'm using a mac when i'm working at home it's as
01:28:02 ◼ ► i have been for the last week or so mostly or if i'm you're spending a day at home or whatever i'm
01:28:07 ◼ ► using the ipad a lot and there are certain tasks where like for example preparing for this show
01:28:12 ◼ ► i find it my workflow is much better for doing this on ios so i'll take my ipad and we'll use
01:28:23 ◼ ► and so i've kind of had this feeling of like well imagine if i could also get all my favorite ios
01:28:30 ◼ ► apps on a mac that might be kind of all i need because it's the apps that i love most um on on
01:28:41 ◼ ► ios and ipad os so you know basically i feel like now i am more in the jason snell camp than the
01:28:48 ◼ ► frederico vertigy camp team both rather than team ipad um but i'm gonna wait and see like there's
01:28:56 ◼ ► still a lot there's still a lot of stuff that's gonna change for me work-wise like with work setups
01:29:00 ◼ ► and stuff over the next few months uh and i wanted to have a this machine was always going to become
01:29:08 ◼ ► like this is the machine that i will record from and eventually not yet i'm not trusting the
01:29:15 ◼ ► podcast it's too big sir for a while so i would just be using this machine as like a machine to
01:29:22 ◼ ► use and i'm gonna see but like basically i have rediscovered a love for the mac over the last
01:29:30 ◼ ► three or four months and and now very very intrigued by an apple silicon mac because if
01:29:39 ◼ ► it can run all the ios apps that i want as well it kind of feels perfect so i don't know so i went
01:29:46 ◼ ► with uh the macbook pro so it's really and so i'm very excited about that machine and uh i i kind of
01:29:55 ◼ ► like the idea a lot of having this these more shared experiences between my ipad and my mac so
01:30:02 ◼ ► when i do because what i do notice is when i do move between them i do feel the differences a lot
01:30:07 ◼ ► more and i think from a visual design perspective and from a functionality perspective and from what
01:30:13 ◼ ► apps i can use i think it's actually going to be just a much nicer computing experience for me
01:30:18 ◼ ► to be able to what i feel would be more seamlessly move between ipad os mac os so i am really excited
01:30:26 ◼ ► once you've got everything that you rely on presumably and this is something that we're
01:30:30 ◼ ► going to follow starting next week which is what apps opt out of being what ios apps opt out of
01:30:36 ◼ ► being on the mac because there will be some that'll be very frustrating but you eliminate
01:30:43 ◼ ► what we currently have which is this schism where a bunch of stuff is just not on the mac and it's
01:30:49 ◼ ► on your ipad you're like well wait a second i need to go back to my ipad for that and then now it
01:30:53 ◼ ► doesn't feel like home because if the ipad is your home or part of your home and then pieces of that
01:30:58 ◼ ► just are not available or not easily available it gets frustrating and so having it be feel like a
01:31:04 ◼ ► little bit more of a hole is uh it's a good thing i i agree i'm not going to start just carrying
01:31:12 ◼ ► around a macbook air and using it everywhere like that's not going to happen but i have
01:31:18 ◼ ► you know in buying this i want to have the ability to especially you know for for certain stuff that
01:31:26 ◼ ► is not available on the ipad to be able to do that and to have that flexibility so i can you know the
01:31:32 ◼ ► i i don't even know why i'm being oblique about this i'm using dscript to edit 20 max for 2020
01:31:37 ◼ ► and it doesn't work on the ipad and so i really did not want to on a warm day we don't have those
01:31:43 ◼ ► anymore because the weather has turned now but we had our late summer warm days and i really didn't
01:31:48 ◼ ► want to be sitting in my office i wanted to be in the backyard but i needed to edit 20 max for 2020
01:31:53 ◼ ► and i couldn't do it i couldn't do it i did not have a computer that could work with it and so
01:32:01 ◼ ► now i will and you know will i use does that mean i'll use my mac more than you know than i use my
01:32:07 ◼ ► macbook air it would be hard for that not to be the case because my poor little macbook air never
01:32:12 ◼ ► gets used but um yeah so we're both you know i i think it'll be interesting to see where this takes
01:32:19 ◼ ► us right like this is this is the unification of of so many ios apps with the mac is really changing
01:32:25 ◼ ► the meaning of what the mac is and i've seen a lot of old line kind of mac fans and i mean i'm one of
01:32:32 ◼ ► them in a way but like bemoan the idea that this stuff is going to come in but i would imagine that
01:32:38 ◼ ► there's also going to be a huge audience who like the mac okay and all but now they're going to be
01:32:42 ◼ ► able to get their favorite apps on the mac too and that's going to change how they use their mac so
01:32:47 ◼ ► we'll see how it goes i'm very excited the next week is a bigger week i've got a new iphone on
01:32:55 ◼ ► friday and a new mac next tuesday or wednesday yeah so yeah it's incredibly unlikely that i
01:33:04 ◼ ► will even be able to give first impressions of that mac on the show next week it's probably
01:33:08 ◼ ► going to have to be uh the week after that right because we'll be releasing the next episode on the
01:33:14 ◼ ► 16th monday which by the way we give you a reminder on that episode of the show we will be once again
01:33:21 ◼ ► joined by tim millet and tom boge from apple to talk about the m1 from people responsible for it
01:33:28 ◼ ► and so if you do have any questions get them in fast with the hashtag ask upgrade but if you have
01:33:34 ◼ ► any questions for us as part of the regular course of the episode maybe stuff focusing on the new
01:33:40 ◼ ► iphones the home pub mini i don't know when mine is coming but i did order one of those as well
01:33:45 ◼ ► man i'll tell you it's been i'm pleased that i haven't had to pay for any airfare this year
01:33:52 ◼ ► because it's really helped with the very expensive final quarter of this year uh as all of the
01:34:00 ◼ ► technology has been released so that's been nice at least it's the silver lining i suppose um so
01:34:06 ◼ ► yeah if you have regular ask upgrade questions you can send those in as well uh thank you so much for
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