00:00:31 ◼ ► I am one of your participants, Myke Hurley, and I am joined by my adversary and also my
00:00:55 ◼ ► I think I'm going to do what I did last time, and I'm going to sit on my couch with my nice
00:01:26 ◼ ► So I'm bringing an old TV and my old Apple TV here, which I actually bought a new remote
00:01:40 ◼ ► So then I'll also be ready to record with you as soon as we can after the keynote, which
00:01:47 ◼ ► So next week's episode, we will be starting live as soon as we can after the keynote ends.
00:02:20 ◼ ► the Relay FM members Discord, then you may be able to help us open an episode of the show.
00:02:33 ◼ ► I tried to talk you down and I talked you down a little, but not as far as I would have
00:02:42 ◼ ► So as we said before, the way that we do the draft here is Jason and I put together a list
00:02:50 ◼ ► So we come up with our picks, we put in anything we can think of, any rumors that we've come
00:03:43 ◼ ► If you're not planning to count, it must either be clearly announced on stage or on a slide
00:03:55 ◼ ► We pretty much always score ourselves, but when we can't, we always have Steven's help.
00:04:04 ◼ ► I've amended this in the bill of upgrade rules because it previously said no half points
00:04:17 ◼ ► It is good to have nicely clarified, although we haven't had to deal with this in a long
00:04:30 ◼ ► So if something is preannounced just before the keynote and it's not in the keynote, it
00:04:35 ◼ ► And if it's in the Mac OS or the OS state of the union afterward or in a press release,
00:04:45 ◼ ► The points awarded on the episode are final and in the case of a tie, there is a tiebreaker
00:04:52 ◼ ► I get to pick the time limit that we're going to be doing and then Jason will pick the over
00:05:27 ◼ ► I have won the first three drafts consecutively and you have won the past two after that.
00:06:26 ◼ ► Somebody had a good one that I actually enjoyed, which was guess that we each guessed the name
00:07:29 ◼ ► I suspect they'll just keep on with the tradition of giving it a code name because that's fun.
00:07:34 ◼ ► Although I wouldn't be surprised at some point if they stopped because iOS doesn't have a
00:07:42 ◼ ► And if they are going to go to the incremental numbering, they may as well just switch over
00:07:58 ◼ ► I think it is something they could absolutely do, but my guess is that they won't stop naming
00:08:04 ◼ ► Mac OS only because it's a fun thing to get people to talk about, you know, what Mac OS
00:08:19 ◼ ► And you would expect that they would go, if they are going to increment the number, they're
00:08:55 ◼ ► So I get to set the number, how many minutes the event will run for and where we will go
00:09:14 ◼ ► I can imagine that if they're going to go long somewhere, they're going to go long here.
00:09:20 ◼ ► It's going to be very interesting just in general for this having been one year of virtual
00:09:27 ◼ ► And I think it's going to be, I'm intrigued to compare and contrast like just the visual
00:09:38 ◼ ► done, they just keep turning up the pressure on how good they're going to look, you know?
00:11:23 ◼ ► So before we get started with our first round, which is iOS and iPadOS, let me take our very
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00:13:11 ◼ ► When I do my prep, I think like, "Okay, these are the two most obvious ones, so which one
00:13:15 ◼ ► am I going to pick, and then is Myke going to pick the other one, or otherwise I should
00:13:34 ◼ ► I mean, honestly, I think maybe of everything in our list, this one feels like the most
00:14:08 ◼ ► It seems like widgets coming to the iPad would be a pretty sensible and worthwhile addition.
00:15:07 ◼ ► in recent years one of the things that they've actually added into the system that has taken
00:15:14 ◼ ► Like I think the last few years for Apple, they've been trying to launch things and they
00:15:26 ◼ ► The thing about the widgets too is just like it's all embedded in this disappointment that
00:15:59 ◼ ► This is something that Mark Gurman has reported and it's needed, it's necessary, a revisiting
00:16:15 ◼ ► The idea, I think one of the concepts out there is that you could have different scenarios.
00:16:20 ◼ ► So like certain times of day, certain locations where your notification preferences change
00:16:25 ◼ ► so that you don't see this notification when you're in the house, but you'd see it when
00:16:30 ◼ ► But these other ones you do get, even if you're sleeping and like having the ability to really
00:16:54 ◼ ► offering people control is really great for notifications and it's a must, but it really
00:17:03 ◼ ► So I'm interested to see how they do it, but I think they need to do it because notifications
00:17:12 ◼ ► But I'm hoping that they'll have a more unified idea of how notifications work and put it
00:17:23 ◼ ► I always feel like whenever Apple have done this kind of stuff, they never go as far as
00:17:32 ◼ ► And that idea of profiles even that Mark Gorman was talking about that we just mentioned,
00:17:47 ◼ ► What I want, Jason, is like each application has different types of notifications they're
00:18:14 ◼ ► "And you have to put them in these buckets and we're going to look, right, the app review's
00:18:21 ◼ ► But the idea there that then the user just says, "I want to see these kinds of notifications,"
00:18:26 ◼ ► instead of, "Let me go into this app and deliver quietly," or, "Oh no, do I want to turn that
00:18:50 ◼ ► I think that this will be something that comes along naturally with the iPad, that maybe
00:19:47 ◼ ► I mean, you could have more than one, I guess, per app, but it's like a custom automatically
00:19:53 ◼ ► Yeah, it's the automatic updating part, which is exciting to me as opposed to the custom
00:20:05 ◼ ► Like imagine your weather app showing you the current weather status in the application
00:20:26 ◼ ► Honestly, it would be a huge surprise to me to not see a lot of attention paid to widgets
00:20:40 ◼ ► And we discussed how the, it's one of those cases where people were actually enthusiastic
00:20:51 ◼ ► Like the logical thing would have been that Apple looked at that and said, oh, we should
00:21:49 ◼ ► James Thompson can just like slide in and be like, no, no, Pcalc is your calculator now.
00:21:54 ◼ ► But whatever it is, I just feel like not only is the pressure still on Apple to sort of
00:22:00 ◼ ► show that they're open to third parties and not just trying to take everything for themselves,
00:22:13 ◼ ► So they're talking to the developers of the third party apps who would benefit from being
00:22:39 ◼ ► And, and this is a weird area where like auto opening of a app based on its type instead
00:22:47 ◼ ► But there are places where that happens and I think you could do calendar is a good one.
00:22:52 ◼ ► Actually, one of the things that struck me is like, um, Apple's data detector stuff will
00:23:59 ◼ ► Um, so yeah, I would love to see this because you know, I'm sure we, I think we were talking
00:24:24 ◼ ► I really want them to put it in a new gesture, like a swipe up from the bottom gesture like
00:24:30 ◼ ► So this is my only hesitation about app library on iPad and I had it high on my list of possible
00:24:43 ◼ ► I think it will be, but like when you think about the size of an iPad screen and you think
00:24:47 ◼ ► about how app library is implemented on iPhone, I wonder if they'll have another approach
00:24:57 ◼ ► I also wonder like you could do app library as like a, like a widget or an expanding thing
00:25:07 ◼ ► I also wonder could you just make an applications icon that imagine if you will an application
00:25:33 ◼ ► You're like all right whatever, but yeah I do think that something like this has to come
00:25:40 ◼ ► I have you know I struggle with this more on the iPad than I do on the iPhone so I would
00:26:25 ◼ ► I thought about it and I decided that I think all signs point to this and in fact I would
00:26:34 ◼ ► say and you can see because I picked it here I think it's the most likely quote unquote
00:26:48 ◼ ► I think it's actually the easiest solution for Apple is to have a long gestating probably
00:26:58 ◼ ► I think it's actually easier for them to do that than say rethink multitasking and windowing
00:27:05 ◼ ► I feel like just saying oh we brought final cut to the iPad and it's not full final cut
00:27:16 ◼ ► and forth and you can finally do video editing even though you could with LumaFusion but
00:27:32 ◼ ► and I just so that's my rationale is really that I think it might be easier for them to
00:27:36 ◼ ► say hey look we did a Pro app instead of the harder work this is me being a little cynical
00:27:41 ◼ ► about this but like the harder work of really overhauling iPad OS to be more properly powerful
00:27:50 ◼ ► And what you're saying is that then when the question is why is the iPad Pro so powerful
00:28:06 ◼ ► I mean I had this low on my list because you know I just feel like we've been burned about
00:28:45 ◼ ► For my fourth pick this is maybe a frustratingly ambiguous pick but new features for the Messages
00:29:02 ◼ ► pinned messages the threaded replies and all that kind of stuff I think Apple could push
00:29:10 ◼ ► a little bit further here you know maybe adding some more functionality to these things that
00:29:22 ◼ ► Well I was thinking you know there are rumors out there about the idea that Apple wants
00:29:35 ◼ ► I mean the one that I will suggest and this is a freebie Apple you can just slide it in
00:29:45 ◼ ► I love slack replies and I love Tapax but Tapax with six icons is stupid so I want more
00:29:54 ◼ ► I want emoji reactions basically but there's lots of fun stuff that they could probably
00:29:59 ◼ ► think up in terms of making I mean Messages is so powerful for them and they've only seemed
00:30:05 ◼ ► to recently awaken and realize that they actually need to do things and make an effort on Messages.
00:30:16 ◼ ► Oh man they could write like they could don't like don't joke about that like say its name
00:30:31 ◼ ► little icon like there's already a back end directory service so Apple could totally do
00:30:55 ◼ ► pick that I'm going to maybe make in a bit if you don't get it too which is I think there's
00:30:59 ◼ ► going to be a story about in all of this stuff I think we're going to hear things about how
00:31:11 ◼ ► things so adding new features to tools that people use to communicate virtually I think
00:31:22 ◼ ► the people in charge of producing this software and making the decisions may have realized
00:31:29 ◼ ► more the areas in which they are lacking this year or where things could be improved so
00:31:46 ◼ ► I am going to go next with more user controllable design and theming on iOS and iPadOS now this
00:31:54 ◼ ► could potentially even be related to the notifications thing right they might have a bigger.
00:31:59 ◼ ► Picture idea of sort of like modes or you know when I'm at home here are my notifications
00:32:09 ◼ ► Android's latest release announcement has a lot of customization in it I'm really saying
00:32:16 ◼ ► I mean obviously we know sometimes Apple and Google do the same sorts of things it's in
00:32:26 ◼ ► parallel tracks doing the same sorts of things and then they have their individual take on
00:32:31 ◼ ► it I think it's interesting that Google did that Google obviously saw the enthusiasm that
00:32:36 ◼ ► users had with the iOS release last year in terms of customizing their devices well Apple
00:32:41 ◼ ► also saw that and so yeah I think that I don't I imagine that whatever they do should they
00:32:47 ◼ ► do this it will be disappointing in the in the way that it will not ever be what everybody
00:32:52 ◼ ► wants it to be an example I would give would be are you saying that you every UI element
00:33:04 ◼ ► think Apple's gonna do that that's more of an Android thing but I could see Apple coming
00:33:08 ◼ ► up with a set of themes set of statuses or a set of themes to choose from and then telling
00:33:14 ◼ ► app developers here are the themes the users can pick from there are four of them or six
00:33:27 ◼ ► so it's like night mode like dark mode and light mode except more more modes and an example
00:33:35 ◼ ► would be that you could also say like my icon changes when if somebody is choosing I don't
00:33:42 ◼ ► know summer mode my icon gets all summery and winter mode my icon gets all wintery right
00:34:04 ◼ ► like yeah I don't think they're gonna do as much as Google has done with material I think
00:34:13 ◼ ► tell but that's why I came in with the idea of sort of like presets imagine Apple saying
00:34:36 ◼ ► that because we don't have that in there we didn't speak about that but I think that would
00:34:39 ◼ ► count like if they said hey we have this new way for users to set their own custom icons
00:34:45 ◼ ► that is user controllable design yeah I think so yeah and you we know we know what this
00:34:57 ◼ ► like oh yeah we got to get some of that in there and whatever they do we'll know it when
00:35:00 ◼ ► we see it the David Smith effect yes underscore the underscore effect I was gonna pick one
00:35:11 ◼ ► to what was boring there in a minute I'm gonna go with one that I desperately want which
00:35:22 ◼ ► not very good it's it that the information density is weird all of the controls you know
00:35:36 ◼ ► radiated things so they're radiative valves that I can turn on and off I think it's made
00:35:40 ◼ ► by a company called Eve yeah you could finally do what all of us with smart thermostats in
00:35:48 ◼ ► with the computer yeah because the environment I've got them here at the studio lots of people
00:35:53 ◼ ► have nested in the UK I just don't have access here at the studio to a central controlled
00:35:58 ◼ ► heating system yeah all I can do is turn the radiators on and off for me to turn them on
00:36:04 ◼ ► I have to long press on a tile and then press a button why do I need to do that why can't
00:36:16 ◼ ► many little things are weird about the home app and there's so much interesting information
00:36:31 ◼ ► that part of it's great but the main kind of like here is your home and here's its controls
00:36:37 ◼ ► it's so bad like it's it's really just not it is designed to look nice not to be functional
00:36:53 ◼ ► scroll in the home app things should be resizing way more before you need to get to scrolling
00:37:05 ◼ ► it seems that there is a potential for home technology to get better over the next couple
00:37:10 ◼ ► coming years with with the matter initiative this is one that I want to see them put some
00:37:16 ◼ ► some time and effort into now so they're ready for that and they don't like falls later on
00:37:20 ◼ ► because I in theory with the matter initiative I wouldn't have to use the home app I could
00:37:26 ◼ ► but ideally you use the home app and it would be good exactly right now it's not good oh
00:37:50 ◼ ► a beep from above me in my bedroom my ceiling fan has turned on what it's a homekit ceiling
00:38:15 ◼ ► however it's an automation that is timed and it runs in the afternoon and it's basically
00:38:19 ◼ ► if it's a warm in the bedroom in the afternoon it turns on the ceiling fan it's a nice little
00:38:23 ◼ ► simple automation that doesn't work as reliably as it should but I have tried all sorts of
00:38:28 ◼ ► other automations including some stuff in the home plus app where I'm trying to do thresholds
00:38:34 ◼ ► where it's like literally if the temperature in the bedroom because why can't you do this
00:38:43 ◼ ► warmer than 74 degrees turn on the fan and that never worked I tried that it never really
00:38:49 ◼ ► worked the home app doesn't support it anyway and now I'm a little concerned and it's not
00:38:53 ◼ ► an am/pm problem because the automation is 3 p.m. and it ran the next day at 3 p.m. something
00:39:03 ◼ ► happened either there is a stray command to turn it on that finally came through did my
00:39:10 ◼ ► Apple TV reboot or something or what I fear is my attempts to do a not entirely supported
00:39:32 ◼ ► it off and I went back to sleep and I woke up in the morning and it was back on oh you're
00:39:54 ◼ ► it says your accessories not responding and then I pick up my phone and I turn them off
00:39:59 ◼ ► in the home app and they go off why does that happen I don't understand why that app that
00:40:03 ◼ ► shouldn't be happening right that's a different issue I'm gonna go with a boring one good
00:40:09 ◼ ► and it's vague okay but I feel like it's the kind of thing Apple will do at WWDC new it's
00:40:17 ◼ ► this is like your messages pick new features for FaceTime this was the one that I was referencing
00:40:24 ◼ ► oh this is your boring one that you know this is my boring one this is my this is when I
00:40:28 ◼ ► when I was talking about that I said I might pick I have another one to pick okay for the
00:40:36 ◼ ► on it right now is now there have been new features for FaceTime on the iPad Pro because
00:40:48 ◼ ► we've had where everybody has been doing video conferencing and all of that and everybody's
00:40:57 ◼ ► don't people use FaceTime like I have a every other week family zoom and everybody's on an
00:41:05 ◼ ► Apple device and I don't know why we're using zoom other than people are comfortable with
00:41:10 ◼ ► it and I think that if I were on the FaceTime team I'd be saying hey wait a second how can
00:41:15 ◼ ► we up our game here what do all what do Cisco WebEx and and zoom and and all these other
00:41:22 ◼ ► services have that we don't how can we up our game here I don't know the answer to that
00:41:36 ◼ ► That's right I'm just saying something like no no I'm gonna be picture that I'm an Apple
00:41:39 ◼ ► is it picture I'm Craig all right let's say I'm Craig I'm gonna have my meeting with the
00:41:49 ◼ ► What what like what in particular something like look at zoom look at WebEx look at all
00:41:55 ◼ ► these competitors out there they do all sorts of stuff that FaceTime doesn't try to do you
00:42:00 ◼ ► know but I'm gonna put this on you I'm not gonna come up with your list for you but give
00:42:09 ◼ ► it be give you something boring Jason sure join a FaceTime by a link I was about to say
00:42:15 ◼ ► that like yeah how about the ability to create a FaceTime room and email it to people that's
00:42:21 ◼ ► that's almost like a social feature that uses FaceTime super boring but it's one of the
00:42:34 ◼ ► a meeting yeah in FaceTime that would be a thing and yes yes seriously backgrounds people
00:42:42 ◼ ► love the backgrounds and zoom just how good your you know machine learning is you should
00:42:47 ◼ ► be able to pick me out right do you use the I don't know all the cameras I got on my iPhones
00:43:02 ◼ ► there's a thing quite specific there's a whole area of stuff that we've not picked and I
00:43:14 ◼ ► on iPad it's right there weather app on iPad you could put that in there too if you wanted
00:43:19 ◼ ► I'm trying to work out what I want to do here because this is difficult like if you're gonna
00:43:39 ◼ ► the other one uh-huh what we're talking about here is like if or what Apple will change
00:44:02 ◼ ► I think this is I thought it was a brilliant move when you put this in our document and
00:44:06 ◼ ► and sure bet the under go for it is the pick the core of iPad OS remains mostly unchanged
00:44:13 ◼ ► no multitasking changes no external display support this is this is actually kind of the
00:44:20 ◼ ► flip side of my one pro app which is and that's all that's what you get one pro app and you'll
00:44:35 ◼ ► be everything I want loads of new features I just don't I just don't know if I can confidently
00:44:42 ◼ ► say they're gonna do it mm-hmm I want them to do it but I don't know that they will right
00:44:53 ◼ ► this is one of those pics where I'm almost would be happy to be wrong oh sure if it then
00:45:07 ◼ ► about the entire future of the iPad as a platform but I did get a point so yeah I mean look
00:45:16 ◼ ► too many times we've asked for too much for whatever reason and as you mentioned earlier
00:45:23 ◼ ► there's a lot of things that they can do for the iPad while still leaving multitasking and
00:45:30 ◼ ► external display support as is external display support that could come in six months time
00:45:37 ◼ ► with a new monitor right like they did with the trackpad there's no reason to necessarily
00:45:49 ◼ ► that kind of stuff without changing the multitasking system right so you could be ready for something
00:46:05 ◼ ► going to be any external display support but there are lots of things you could do a massive
00:46:09 ◼ ► overhaul to the files app you could allow people to put files in their desktop you could
00:46:14 ◼ ► I mean I'm all have to judge it right like for example if they ever if they finally introduce
00:46:19 ◼ ► app repairs that could be a thing that you could do but it wouldn't be changing multitasking
00:46:24 ◼ ► it's still you know if it's still you still open them the same you now just get basically
00:46:28 ◼ ► a shortcut and you open them at the same time we'll see but well I think we'll know it like
00:46:33 ◼ ► we said before we'll know when we see it yeah okay my last pick in this category I actually
00:46:39 ◼ ► had at the very top of my list and I was gonna drop it here at the very end I thought it
00:46:42 ◼ ► would have been a great section ender was support for separate apps running on an external
00:46:47 ◼ ► display and the reason I was gonna pick it in that one in particular was I was imagining
00:47:16 ◼ ► I feel like then I'm just sort of doubling down on one scenario and so instead I'm gonna
00:47:21 ◼ ► go I'm gonna go boring again I'm Craig Fedorigi Myke come into my office hey you're in charge
00:47:27 ◼ ► of mail dot app right oh this is what you're going with okay all right do something resembling
00:47:42 ◼ ► like all these other apps out there that have tried to do interesting things with email
00:47:46 ◼ ► and mail dot app hasn't changed since Steve Jobs used it change it add some more filtering
00:48:05 ◼ ► been for a decade where it's been completely just sort of laying in the weeds and I will
00:48:14 ◼ ► Mac OS at some point maybe not this year but that ultimately they would merge those code
00:48:18 ◼ ► bases because mail dot app on Mac OS is like from next step it is ancient and so yeah anyway
00:48:34 ◼ ► enough time on Apple's core apps getting improvements yeah and they always do it's not always the
00:48:43 ◼ ► in some apps were like this app gets better especially apps that really need to get better
00:48:48 ◼ ► and mail like I I think Apple maybe fundamentally believes that email isn't a thing which is
00:48:53 ◼ ► weird because they use email too and the fact is as much as we'd like email to go away it
00:49:06 ◼ ► email instead of doing what they do now which is really just kind of punting if you've seen
00:49:16 ◼ ► perfect and then you know you'll get it you realize oh no it's not it doesn't do all these
00:49:21 ◼ ► things but it's it's a it's a new app that I think it launches this week maybe yeah it's
00:49:32 ◼ ► what I want Apple to do with mail right like it's all of the stuff right it's like this
00:49:41 ◼ ► conventions you would expect from a iPad or iPad OS or iOS app but all of the modern features
00:50:01 ◼ ► to rely on with email now is sharing and collaboration features which I use a spark so I can't imagine
00:50:07 ◼ ► that I would switch to it but I'm really intrigued to check it out but yes this is kind of how
00:50:17 ◼ ► you say these things come around and there's always problems and it's you know it's like
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00:52:24 ◼ ► So we're going to do our mac os and mac hardware picks this is all one category the main reason
00:52:44 ◼ ► dream on shortcuts for mac yay I want this so bad so so bad it has been in my time over
00:52:54 ◼ ► the last year of basically becoming mostly mac focused again with working it's been the
00:53:00 ◼ ► biggest thing that I've missed there are just things that I have to do like so many more
00:53:13 ◼ ► because this is the exact thing that mac users say about ipad os a lot of the time but when
00:53:18 ◼ ► it comes to user automation I have learned how to use shortcuts that's what I have learned
00:53:24 ◼ ► and whilst there is a lot more power available to use automation on the mac there is nothing
00:53:29 ◼ ► as simple and intuitive in my opinion and I really desperately want to see apple create
00:53:36 ◼ ► not just shortcuts for mac os but also let's take some of the power available to automation
00:53:43 ◼ ► on the mac and put a new face on it and that face of shortcuts right so don't just make
00:53:47 ◼ ► a simple version make a simple version that can also harness the amount of ability available
00:54:00 ◼ ► use shortcuts and the more I then tried to move some of my shortcuts workflows into mac
00:54:10 ◼ ► is it that user automation is actually easier on an ipad than it is on a mac that's that
00:54:14 ◼ ► should not be the case but automator is really old and it never really became what it was
00:54:19 ◼ ► supposed to be and shortcuts is a lot closer to being the dream of what automator was supposed
00:54:28 ◼ ► mac and it has some limitations but they're trying to sort of bridge out you know to apple
00:54:41 ◼ ► user automation on mac os again which they haven't talked about really since since Saul
00:54:46 ◼ ► who y'all know was on stage introducing automator and that was like what 15 16 years ago it
00:54:53 ◼ ► was a long time ago now so I hope this happens too I think it makes sense I actually think
00:54:58 ◼ ► it makes sense and it's not just wish casting I don't know when they'll do it but like they
00:55:03 ◼ ► need a unified user automation story and clearly shortcuts is the story yep I'm going to take
00:55:09 ◼ ► another pick that is basically bringing something on ios to the mac that has been we've been
00:55:15 ◼ ► waiting for for a long time and it hasn't happened and developers have been really hoping
00:55:18 ◼ ► for it and this is a developer conference and I'm just going to do it again been disappointed
00:55:22 ◼ ► in the past but maybe this is the year test flight comes to the mac for people who don't
00:55:27 ◼ ► know test flight it is a beta testing system where basically you can sign up for a beta
00:55:34 ◼ ► on your ipad or your iphone and then the developer sends new builds and you update to the new
00:55:46 ◼ ► bad really really really bad I have a developer who is who is sending me betas on mac os and
00:55:55 ◼ ► it's a an email with a zip file and I had to send like my device id in order to be included
00:56:01 ◼ ► in the builds and it is because it's a catalyst app and it's ridiculous so I don't know again
00:56:12 ◼ ► this is the year for test flight and it'll make developers happy yes like one of my very
00:56:22 ◼ ► developer of timere like he's talking about this he has been working on and he's getting
00:56:33 ◼ ► been testing and every time he makes an update he has to email me a link to a dropbox folder
00:56:44 ◼ ► have to remember to also download it on my laptop right and it's just an absolute nightmare
00:56:51 ◼ ► considering how simple it is like so like I also use timere on my iphone on my ipad right
00:56:57 ◼ ► and on my ipad I have test flight set to automatically update so like I'll get an email from joe saying
00:57:07 ◼ ► pick up my ipad and it's like it's automatically installed via test flight it's like the difference
00:57:46 ◼ ► we ran the zoo this would happen but we don't so we just have to guess about what the zoo
00:57:50 ◼ ► will do all right I'm gonna go I think this is somewhat risky but I feel confident okay
00:57:57 ◼ ► mac brick pro 14 inch with apple silicon will be announced at wwdc hardware wow there are
00:58:05 ◼ ► lots of conflicting rumors I think there was a report today even supply chain reports are
00:58:13 ◼ ► saying q3 according to digitimes I mean that q3 is july right I think if this is a product
00:58:29 ◼ ► people that want that machine yes so I desperately hope that we're gonna see it Myke q3 starts
00:58:41 ◼ ► that's right seven so like you could announce something in a week and say it ships july
00:58:46 ◼ ► 10th and it's q3 yep like you and that makes perfect sense right so you announce it next
00:58:51 ◼ ► week pre-orders in two weeks ships two weeks after like you know it's like you can make
00:59:08 ◼ ► I'm sure like if they're ready they're gonna release them but they have them close to ready
00:59:10 ◼ ► go for it because otherwise are they selling a lot of Intel 13-inch macbook pros really
00:59:20 ◼ ► talking about Mark Gurman's report last week otherwise you can have a lot of Macs getting
00:59:29 ◼ ► of the presentation to really show off something bold and big and powerful and new yep I hope
00:59:36 ◼ ► I hope we see it next week well with you having picked that I am going to pick something that's
00:59:41 ◼ ► related but also I think maybe a little broader uh-huh which is new Apple silicon Mac chip
00:59:49 ◼ ► yeah introduced mm-hmm here's my rationale there are two ways this could go there could
00:59:54 ◼ ► be a new MacBook Pro announced with a variant of let's say the m1 that has more cores and
01:00:00 ◼ ► this would count they could also say oh by the end of the year we're shipping a new Mac
01:00:09 ◼ ► be a new chip any pre-announcement of anything involving a new non m1 Mac chip would would
01:00:21 ◼ ► had this this was mine also my next pick Oh doubling down well I had to take it from you
01:00:30 ◼ ► know they could do anything right I mean yeah I just think if they and they could they're
01:00:35 ◼ ► right I mean there's any number of machines that might use this but I think you're you're
01:00:39 ◼ ► right I'm a little concerned by the reports it's like oh it's q3 although like you know
01:00:44 ◼ ► we eventually got after I'm divided 12 in half and got six and said oh well that's halfway
01:00:49 ◼ ► through the year the beginning of June nope that's not how it works we we ultimately ended
01:00:54 ◼ ► up at oh it's just a couple of weeks after where q3 ships q3 could happen and that Apple
01:01:04 ◼ ► ships in three weeks you know take your pre-orders in two weeks and then it ships two weeks after
01:01:08 ◼ ► that they totally could do that so I think that we are both on the same page about this
01:01:14 ◼ ► being something that they could do and if they do it it's not gonna be the m1 right like
01:01:19 ◼ ► you can't just keep putting m1s and things and calling them Pro there has to be another
01:01:43 ◼ ► so I think it would just be the you know sort of six months later it's a little ish but
01:01:55 ◼ ► say that at least one more Apple system app will be based on catalyst I put this in the
01:02:09 ◼ ► is but they do seem to keep putting catalyst apps on the Mac right what do you think it'll
01:02:15 ◼ ► be I have no idea but something that I redesign so like right you know they could they could
01:02:25 ◼ ► there's something important for Apple to continue doing that and kind of putting their money
01:02:36 ◼ ► that they did it wasn't music was it was podcasting I can't be was the TV catalyst as well so
01:02:42 ◼ ► yeah I just want to keep seeing them push this if they want developers to adopt it personally
01:02:49 ◼ ► I want developers to adopt it and I want Apple to do more catalyst I think that the technology
01:02:54 ◼ ► is good for users because it provides them with a great choice of applications and stuff
01:02:59 ◼ ► and having used some of the iOS apps on a Mac they do the job but it's much better when
01:03:13 ◼ ► same bones but now supports a bunch more stuff which feels right for the Mac so you know
01:03:19 ◼ ► stuff like full Swift and Swift UI is I think is still many years away from being a true
01:03:34 ◼ ► greatest ways for them to continue working on it is to continue to use it for important
01:03:38 ◼ ► applications in the system yeah and I'm gonna be specific here and I updated our list to
01:03:43 ◼ ► be at least one new or updated Apple system app based on catalyst the idea here is they
01:03:59 ◼ ► could also literally be hey we made this new app and now it's you know oh boy everybody
01:04:08 ◼ ► it's a bundled in Apple app that they mention on stage that is that's sourced by catalyst
01:04:15 ◼ ► so and in terms of like how do we know we'll know like it'll be obvious whether it's catalyst
01:04:20 ◼ ► or not and we should be able to judge it based on that because sometimes people are like
01:04:24 ◼ ► they didn't say it was catalyst on stage it's like yeah but if they announce it and then
01:04:28 ◼ ► we find out that it's based on catalyst before we score it I'm I'm willing to use research
01:04:38 ◼ ► same as saying it didn't happen on stage so I'm okay with that. Sportsmanship. Last year
01:05:06 ◼ ► a pretty good idea and that migrating a bunch of stuff that used to hang out in the menu
01:05:10 ◼ ► bar into control center is a good idea again I'm not going to tell Apple what to do here
01:05:21 ◼ ► it better and to perhaps integrate third parties a little bit so I'm going to put a chip down
01:05:27 ◼ ► on on control center being better. It's a good start like I like that I can pull things
01:05:36 ◼ ► can't I go the other way though as well you know yeah well this doesn't happen a lot but
01:05:49 ◼ ► and and I wrote a whole section in my like public data first look about how control center
01:05:53 ◼ ► didn't do all these things and when it came time to look at the final beta and you know
01:06:16 ◼ ► move it forward and I hope that they've been working in the background to keep moving moving
01:06:23 ◼ ► Okay this is our final pick in the Mac at Mac OS round and I'm back in this point again
01:06:38 ◼ ► Yeah what I'll say is we have maybe I think in upgrade plus today we'll talk about maybe
01:06:49 ◼ ► We have some software picks but I don't think this is going to be a year for a lot of software
01:07:35 ◼ ► And I personally believe that this is going to be a 2021 product you know maybe they sneak
01:07:41 ◼ ► it in right at the end of the year but I think it's going to happen and again just like the
01:08:11 ◼ ► the trash can Mac Pro a product that Apple had on the record said was flawed in multiple
01:08:38 ◼ ► did if they unveiled the MacBook Pro the new one and they're like this is so great it's
01:08:43 ◼ ► so powerful look how amazing this is we also have something that's so much more you know
01:08:48 ◼ ► just a little teaser like they've done before I would love you'd love to see it Jason that's
01:08:54 ◼ ► a big pick and I'm a little flummoxed because it was not what I was expecting and now I
01:09:00 ◼ ► have a really hard decision to make because I have a whole bunch of things that are kind
01:09:03 ◼ ► of interesting to me but they're all a little bit risky but with your risky pick there I
01:09:10 ◼ ► feel a little bit emboldened to pick something so I'm gonna do you know that thing Myke where
01:09:21 ◼ ► them into existence and it's like Lucy pulling the football away from Charlie Brown right
01:09:25 ◼ ► it doesn't actually ever happen well you just said Apple was going to release a new Apple
01:09:30 ◼ ► silicon MacBook Pro for the developer conference because these are developers they're the they're
01:09:35 ◼ ► one of the biggest audiences for Pro Max I'm gonna I'm gonna lean into that and say you
01:09:47 ◼ ► be a bit category although depending on how it goes it could be in the iPad category to
01:09:51 ◼ ► but I'm gonna mention it here new Apple external display announced not picking the size not
01:09:57 ◼ ► picking the price just saying something that isn't the pro display XTR available and would
01:10:08 ◼ ► would pair with a MacBook Pro obviously of a Mac Pro and if they do actually and hopefully
01:10:33 ◼ ► some kind of rumor to suggest it yep but who knows yeah who knows there have been rumors
01:10:40 ◼ ► about Apple working on an external display though but it's just been a while since we've
01:10:48 ◼ ► know because it's a different kind of aspect of the supply chain and where they sourcing
01:11:21 ◼ ► ago we stood up here and said we were making a two-year transition to Apple silicon and
01:11:27 ◼ ► it's missing and here's the Mac Pro and then everybody goes wild maybe even in person imagine
01:11:33 ◼ ► that so we'll we'll we'll see but I think they could do it because you know again what's
01:11:38 ◼ ► gonna stop them from from doing that but that's why I think that they're gonna they're gonna
01:11:43 ◼ ► over deliver on the two year we're gonna get the both of our picks here wrong and that's
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01:13:10 ◼ ► else anything any category any hardware any other operating system is in our everything
01:13:17 ◼ ► else round i'm gonna pick something i think i picked last year classic and i think that
01:13:25 ◼ ► i was surprised they didn't do it last year uh and so this may have not been a wwc pick
01:13:31 ◼ ► but a september pick so focus on mental health features for watch os i just think that this
01:13:43 ◼ ► app but i don't think that's enough and with potential like they have an upcoming feature
01:13:54 ◼ ► think it was last week and i can imagine stuff like apple adding background noises as maybe
01:13:59 ◼ ► a guided meditation type application or something like that um i think that mental health features
01:14:05 ◼ ► and helping people relax helping stress related stuff things like that uh i think that they
01:14:21 ◼ ► that you got a watch os pick in there and yeah i agree this is something that they could
01:14:36 ◼ ► know if it's maybe particularly hard for me because i don't wear a watch very often and
01:14:51 ◼ ► but it's just stuff like at this point i just don't believe that they're any any closer
01:14:55 ◼ ► to doing it but we'll find out oh i am gonna pick so this is uh i'm gonna explain myself
01:15:07 ◼ ► our document but i just want to explain what it means because there's a parentheses and
01:15:11 ◼ ► it's very confusing um a home segment is my pick a home segment yep now my rationale here
01:15:19 ◼ ► is matter has been announced which is formerly chip it's the home alliance we also have seen
01:15:25 ◼ ► thread radios appear in various apple products i'm not saying apple's going to unveil its
01:15:31 ◼ ► entire home strategy here but i feel like we may i'm going to pick here that we're going
01:15:37 ◼ ► to have them talk about smart home technology perhaps we will see that uh demo home that
01:15:45 ◼ ► they used in videos last year to talk about what apple views as the stuff that it's doing
01:15:53 ◼ ► in the home so i'm not sure what form this takes but i wanna i basically i'm saying they're
01:16:04 ◼ ► smart home now that seems really broad but i will say it's also something that's really
01:16:14 ◼ ► as a possibility i had this pretty high on my list i would have picked it if you wouldn't
01:16:17 ◼ ► have um i think the way that we can kind of say is look if they just said like hey here's
01:16:22 ◼ ► our new version of the home app that's not it it needs to be like as part of the keynote
01:16:34 ◼ ► even if they just say hey for developers you're now having access to uh you know the home
01:16:38 ◼ ► the homekit server is in all these different devices and you have access to thread radios
01:16:45 ◼ ► the home app improved it needs to be something more sort of strategic either about adding
01:16:49 ◼ ► apple products to the home or about how homekit works or how the thread radios enable more
01:16:56 ◼ ► connectivity to other devices or that or they mention matter and talk about the matter strategy
01:17:05 ◼ ► that's not a home segment that's just an app update i'm going to go with it's getting hard
01:17:12 ◼ ► now there's a reason that this is the everything else category yeah one that i'm looking at
01:17:17 ◼ ► maybe maybe i'll come back to it my concern is that it might be too focused for the state
01:17:24 ◼ ► of the union than the wwdc presentation yeah there's they do a much more technical presentation
01:17:36 ◼ ► are technical that are very focused on developers because they know that the morning is viewed
01:17:40 ◼ ► by developers and it's a more technical thing but it's also viewed by the general public
01:17:44 ◼ ► at a level that the afternoon session is not so some technical announcements that we could
01:17:53 ◼ ► i'm going to go with something that may be a little premature but i think something people
01:17:57 ◼ ► will be watching out for a new wireless audio streaming protocol for air pods all right
01:18:03 ◼ ► you know i think this will probably be something along the lines of like an airplay 3 or something
01:18:08 ◼ ► like that yeah but it could also just be we invented or did you know there's this obscure
01:18:17 ◼ ► and that means you can stream apple lossless to all of our wireless or whatever like something
01:18:21 ◼ ► like that where they say we're doing something new in order to enable new features in air
01:18:31 ◼ ► hinting at is they do something that enables some form of lossless support for their existing
01:18:38 ◼ ► products yeah i think that makes sense it's not a big meaty one no no but but it's it's
01:18:45 ◼ ► hanging out there and there's a real you know will they do that or not i think there's been
01:18:49 ◼ ► some strong suggestions that they have a uh another shoe to drop about this but they're
01:18:55 ◼ ► holding it and so perhaps this is when they would announce such a thing i don't know why
01:18:59 ◼ ► they wouldn't announce it in advance but they haven't they could have said we plan to release
01:19:04 ◼ ► support for new apple lossless streaming later this year they could have just said that and
01:19:25 ◼ ► be mentioned on stage that swift ui is going to come up and have it be what the pick is
01:19:29 ◼ ► is significant improvements to swift ui really though what i'm looking at is they got to
01:19:38 ◼ ► using swift ui it's not swift ui mentioned but in terms of significant i mean it's really
01:19:43 ◼ ► significant enough to mention in the keynote that it improved would be this was this was
01:19:54 ◼ ► ago significant improvements to catalyst and apple said hey here's swift ui remember oh
01:20:11 ◼ ► stuff but it might not be they might not talk about facing because it's not because it's
01:20:16 ◼ ► not new yeah my hope my hope is that there's something in there that makes them especially
01:20:21 ◼ ► since they're throwing a bone to the developers and the developer conference it's like you
01:20:28 ◼ ► or you can build a custom watch face or you can whatever it is this could go very nicely
01:20:32 ◼ ► with widgets it could interactivity and widgets being a new thing that you can do because
01:20:38 ◼ ► of these new additions in swift ui swift ui i just i i'm i'm putting down a marker here
01:20:44 ◼ ► for apple crowing about how swift ui has gotten even better right just as a thing which they
01:20:50 ◼ ► may not do because you mentioned catalyst like wow everybody was pumped for catalyst in the
01:20:54 ◼ ► next year like we're not mentioning catalyst so but i'm gonna put it down and say they're
01:21:00 ◼ ► they're gonna pump up because i think unlike catalyst which is a transitional technology
01:21:16 ◼ ► yeah podcast subscriptions get a plug is my third pick that was next on my list i think
01:21:23 ◼ ► this is gonna be a big thing by any stretch you know people may not be aware of this or
01:21:34 ◼ ► supposed to be available now and i think it's been delayed to later in june i think this
01:21:39 ◼ ► is partly because the rollout of the new podcast app has been a bit of a disaster kind of user
01:21:54 ◼ ► taking a while to update this is a part of the new part of issues in the new apple podcasts
01:22:00 ◼ ► so i think maybe apple's kind of waiting to get its kind of ducks in a row a little bit
01:22:04 ◼ ► more before pushing out the people to get it but i could imagine them putting something
01:22:12 ◼ ► into apple podcast some new feature or something that also touches on apple podcasts and then
01:22:17 ◼ ► they say you know and you can use this for our wonderful new podcast subscriptions feature
01:22:23 ◼ ► which is you know like i can imagine them just sliding that plug in purely because this
01:22:29 ◼ ► is a new initiative that has yet to even launch so i could imagine them maybe just giving
01:22:39 ◼ ► that in our list you definitely a possibility and i had it next on my list so i'm gonna
01:22:47 ◼ ► gonna say more data on always on watch faces like more watch face data will be displayed
01:22:57 ◼ ► on watch face even more and it lets you show other stuff i'm not sure what the stuff is
01:23:01 ◼ ► and i know that they won't go into great detail of like well what we've done is we changed
01:23:09 ◼ ► is always always on watch faces get better is really what i mean here yeah okay in fact
01:23:20 ◼ ► better pick yeah but that's because that's what i'm going for is that what what is there
01:23:25 ◼ ► left to announce for watch os well that that is an idea i have which is they did the always
01:23:38 ◼ ► of what gets displayed and what apps can show maybe there's a an explicit sort of way that
01:23:44 ◼ ► an app can third-party app can register and say i want to hold on to the watch face when
01:23:50 ◼ ► i'm running and the and the face dims which it can't do now like there it goes to a screensaver
01:24:01 ◼ ► you could provide a separate version of your of a ui in your application as a dark mode
01:24:06 ◼ ► you are like a always on ui sure like yes it's more work but something would be fantastic
01:24:30 ◼ ► it as a timer and that screensaver kicks in and it obscures the information that's there
01:24:37 ◼ ► it's like why would you stop showing the stopwatch because i haven't touched the screen for 10
01:24:50 ◼ ► be able to say oh the stopwatch will not show you hundreds of a second anymore but will
01:24:55 ◼ ► still update every second or where the timer will show you an update every five seconds
01:24:59 ◼ ► or three seconds or one second and none of that is there now so that's what i'm talking
01:25:15 ◼ ► yeah well i've run out of things too so let's get wacky tv app redesign huh let's give it
01:25:29 ◼ ► just keep giving it a go uh i don't i couldn't really tell you what you would do i think
01:25:35 ◼ ► the tv app continues to suffer from information being laid out and navigated in weird ways
01:25:44 ◼ ► what i really want to see apple do is crack some kind of system where they can bring in
01:25:50 ◼ ► all the content like do whatever it is you need to do to get netflix in there right basically
01:25:58 ◼ ► i want apple to do what they have to do this isn't what i'm picking this is what i wish
01:26:24 ◼ ► more than software that's deals as well and i believe google has gotten close with this
01:26:30 ◼ ► so i think google tv i think is what it's called now i think they even show some netflix
01:26:33 ◼ ► stuff in there so i don't know how they're doing it but that's what i want to see apple
01:26:38 ◼ ► do that's my final pick it's not a big one it's it kind of sucks as a final pick i apologize
01:26:43 ◼ ► because it kind of i don't even really know what this would look like but uh i think that
01:26:56 ◼ ► i think it continues to be designed on a designed with different varying strategies in mind
01:27:09 ◼ ► reasonable i put a lot of very strange things in here you know i'm tempted to pick because
01:27:15 ◼ ► they're hilarious but i am going to the question is how boring do i want to get i have no good
01:27:22 ◼ ► choices now i i literally i have no good choices yep i oh boy maybe we haven't been very imaginative
01:27:29 ◼ ► when it comes to watch os and tv os this year but i i just i am struggling to think of realistic
01:27:42 ◼ ► federico have been doing like their wish list episodes and they were talking about they
01:27:46 ◼ ► had um alex who's uh who works at max stories on the episode today because he does their
01:27:51 ◼ ► watch os reviews every year and he was talking about wild incredible stuff right like that
01:28:01 ◼ ► apple could put like like what uh watchmouth does and you know you could have different
01:28:08 ◼ ► any of that yeah that that's that's the challenge is not coming up with ideas of things you'd
01:28:19 ◼ ► of them maybe has one percent chance of coming true because you don't know where apple's
01:28:24 ◼ ► going to go next so you just you try to have something broad i am going to then go with
01:28:28 ◼ ► another constant thing that everybody predicts that it is going to happen and this is sort
01:28:32 ◼ ► of tied to maybe my swift ui pick as well which is why not third-party apple watch faces
01:28:38 ◼ ► at long last the developers will be able to build watch faces they'll have to be approved
01:28:43 ◼ ► by apple they'll use swift ui and they're going to open up the let's just i don't believe
01:28:48 ◼ ► this but they're going to open up the doors they're going to be like finally we've been
01:28:52 ◼ ► doing this for seven years finally we're going to let you develop watch faces but we have
01:29:11 ◼ ► for us to add a huge risk vector of copyright infringement come and get it well honestly
01:29:27 ◼ ► claim the the watch face just gets zapped right like you that this is the business apples
01:29:33 ◼ ► in right like ultimately if apple didn't want to deal with that kind of thing they wouldn't
01:29:38 ◼ ► have an app store right they they have imposed this on themselves because the benefit is
01:29:44 ◼ ► worth it and i know that they were particular like they they made a point of this with the
01:29:53 ◼ ► um and they did make right stickers is a great example i would imagine that if they're going
01:29:58 ◼ ► to do this whoever is in charge of approving watch faces will be well versed in the intellectual
01:30:04 ◼ ► property of watch faces right it also wouldn't put i wouldn't put it past apple to say we
01:30:11 ◼ ► have some guidelines about which watch face types are available to you because these are
01:30:23 ◼ ► use these as the basis for that but be able to customize it in some way right maybe it's
01:30:27 ◼ ► even like you're really kind of remixing a complicated set of apple watch faces but able
01:30:33 ◼ ► to do it in a way that is not watch face sharing right it's it's it's more technical than that
01:30:38 ◼ ► a really easy way for them to get around it which i think will kind of suck is just you
01:30:43 ◼ ► can't make an analog watch face that would remove so much of the risk it would it would
01:30:49 ◼ ► be a lot less exciting that way because that's sort of what we want to see but anyway it's
01:31:02 ◼ ► i i'm only picking this because it's literally the last pick in the draft and i got nothing
01:31:06 ◼ ► that i like better but i'll uh i'll take a flyer on apple watch faces it's gotta happen
01:31:10 ◼ ► someday right so that's the draft if you want to score along as the keynote is unfolding
01:31:16 ◼ ► next week there is a link in the show notes to the scorecard you can go to upgrade.cards
01:31:21 ◼ ► and thank you so much to zach knox for his continued work on this project it's very much
01:31:31 ◼ ► keynote ends next week so you can follow us on twitter follow upgrade on twitter as well
01:31:36 ◼ ► and you'll find out because we'll be tweeting out about that i'm really excited for another
01:31:47 ◼ ► which was a lot of like how's it going to work like there isn't really any of that this
01:31:50 ◼ ► time we know how it's going to work uh and i'm really excited to see that and then some
01:31:54 ◼ ► of the stuff that will come out afterwards uh jason people should say lock to six colors
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